Negligent Discharge Friday with Michael - 9/26/2025

Summary

Cleared Hot with Andy Stumpf

Negligent Discharge Friday with Michael – September 26, 2025

Main Theme / Purpose

This episode is a wide-ranging, candid conversation between Andy (host, sometimes referred to as Johan) and regular guest Michael. They start with banter about training mishaps and their friendship dynamics, but the focus quickly turns to serious topics—including the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the effects of social media on news and society, conspiracy theories, political violence, and the nature of information in today’s world. The end of the episode is lighter, with humorous, satirical survival scenarios and reflections on personal responsibility in turbulent times.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Martial Arts Mishaps and the Value of Discomfort

• The first segment revolves around Jiu Jitsu, specifically a "mounted gogoplata" choke Andy administered to Michael, highlighting both the absurdity and humility found in physical training mishaps.
• Quote:
  “Yeah, I was in Mount Bottom and somehow... you had my arm... and then you put your... shin in my throat, actually, for a mounted gogo plata.” – Michael [04:14]

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2. The Charlie Kirk Assassination and Media Response

A. Personal Reactions to Violent News

• Andy and Michael discuss their process of encountering the assassination video—Andy laments his kids being "ambushed" by social media autoplays; Michael admits to seeking it out.
• Quote:
  “Is your life better, worse or the same for watching somebody die in that manner?... definitely worse. I mean, just objectively, like, I don't think you can see that and just be like, OK.” – Michael [08:40]
• Quote:
  “Some people... are using this issue and rushing full speed ahead to put out any type of information around it they possibly can to look for some level of virality.... they're doing that on the back of a dude who was assassinated in public. I can't participate in that.” – Andy [15:10]

B. Social Media: Echo Chambers and Outrage

• The conversation addresses how algorithms amplify extremism and why some people treat political murder as “justified" based on ideological disagreements.
• Quote:
  “Fringe thoughts start to seem like they are very normal thoughts because you see them everywhere and it's not an equal representation of where they would normally land.” – Andy [19:06]
• Both consider quitting social media entirely due to toxicity and distorted perspectives.

C. The Rush to Conspiracy and Causality

• Andy condemns the rapid spread of false information and conspiracy theories after tragic events:
• Quote:
  “How many of these content creators do you think are going to come back and make another video and open with, hey, just so you guys know, I was wrong?” – Andy [23:07]

D. Political Violence, Hypocrisy, and Martyrdom

• Michael comments on the hypocrisy of those justifying violence against political enemies.
• They discuss the risk of normalizing political violence and the way social media can amplify both ideological and real-life escalation.
• Quote:
  “You don't kill what you consider to be a bad idea with a bullet. You use a better idea.” – Andy [27:45]
• The assassination may have backfired: "Turning Point" organization saw 30,000 new chapter applications, raising Kirk to martyr-like status. [28:18–29:09]

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3. AI Health Prediction: Technology’s Promise and Peril

• Michael introduces an article about AI models that predict health issues ten years in advance.
  • Andy is intrigued by the preventative potential, but both express concern that insurance companies could use this data to deny coverage.
• Quote:
  “The first thing I thought of is insurance companies are going to use this to deny you health care.” – Michael [36:31]
  • Andy draws parallels to "Minority Report" but for health, seeing both futuristic promise and dark implications. [38:40]

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4. Gen Z Uprising in Nepal: Youth, Protest, and Government Crackdown

• Michael shares recent events in Nepal where Gen Z protesters burned government buildings after a social media ban and ongoing corruption.
• Andy reads details—over 70 dead, government turnover, and violence. Both reflect on triggers for societal resistance and personal lines in the sand when it comes to freedoms being revoked (like guns or speech).
• Debate on whether Americans would ever reach such a breaking point, with Andy suggesting government overreach would mobilize more unity than division. [42:06–46:33]

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5. Satirical Survival Scenarios and DIY Home Defense

• The episode closes with a tongue-in-cheek improvisation about burying guns in Yeti coolers, home-defense fantasies, and Michael’s apparent lack of preparation skills—providing comic relief after heavier discussions.
• Quote:
  “If you think you shot that door, it would just vaporize like it was a cannonball off the USS Constitution...I’m so disappointed in you.” – Andy [55:58]
• “Deep thoughts, shallow reality.” – Andy [64:55]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Fringe thoughts start to seem like they are very normal thoughts because you see them everywhere...” – Andy [19:06]
• “You don't kill what you consider to be a bad idea with a bullet. You use a better idea...” – Andy [27:45]
• “With these people calling for violence, I feel like just have no, like idea of what that actually means...I have no clue. I've never been on the receiving end of actual violence.” – Michael [20:34]
• “Turning Point... received 30,000 applications for chapters at schools and universities...did his ideas get killed by a bullet?” – Andy [28:18]
• “That’s the literal definition of winning a battle and losing the war.” – Andy [29:09]
• “Deep thoughts, meaning you want to dig a deep hole...Shallow, meaning you've clearly put almost no thought into this.” – Andy [64:43]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:38 – Jiu Jitsu mishaps, banter about training journals
• 05:44 – Shift to current events; Charlie Kirk’s assassination
• 09:03 – How people encountered the video; realities of viral news
• 11:30 – Debate about quitting social media & its distortions
• 15:16 – The performative rush of online content after violence
• 19:06 – The role of echo chambers, algorithmic promotion of extremism
• 23:07 – Critique on conspiracy theories and lack of accountability
• 27:45 – On battling ideas with better ideas, not violence
• 28:18 – The martyr effect: Kirk's ideas expand after his murder
• 36:07 – AI health prediction: optimism vs. dystopia
• 39:44 – Nepal’s Gen Z protests, systemic breakdown, reflections on resistance
• 51:03–64:55 – Satirical survival/prepping, critiques of impracticality, closing banter

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Summary Tone & Language

Maintains the irreverent, bantering, honest tone that characterizes Andy Stumpf’s podcasts. Blends dark humor and tough topics with practical questioning and bold critique, and closes with self-effacing comedy—making serious points palatable for a wide audience. Speaker attribution is clear throughout.

Transcript

[Johan]

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[Michael]

Give it to me. I need it.

[Johan]

You're cleared hot. Copy cleared hot. Are you sick, boy?

[Michael]

A little bit. A little congested.

[Johan]

What are you doing rolling then?

[Michael]

I'm not that sick.

[Johan]

So you don't care about your training partners?

[Michael]

No, I do. I just. I'm not gonna get anybody sick. It's fine.

[Johan]

How do you know that you care more about your training than your training partners? Really? You don't?

[Michael]

I didn't go when I was actually sick. Like runny nose. I like. I don't have a runny nose or anything. Or cough.

[Johan]

Oh, that's what makes you actually sick.

[Michael]

Well, yeah, I was actually sick when I was at your house, actually, so you might want to disinfect everything.

[Johan]

Do you want to use the word actually more?

[Michael]

I hate you.

[Johan]

Did you write down in your Jiu Jitsu journal today what happened? Do you want to tell people or should I?

[Michael]

First of all, I don't have a Jiu Jitsu journal.

[Johan]

I don't either. It's just a term that I use when memorable things happen.

[Michael]

Okay. The audience won't know what this is.

[Johan]

The ones that do know will know.

[Michael]

How awful this sounds.

[Johan]

Okay, Tell the truth.

[Michael]

Well, I don't exactly know how we got there. Some events happened, transpired to where I got into Mount Bottom.

[Johan]

You were trying to pass guard.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Johan]

I said no.

[Michael]

Yep. I was in Mount Bottom and somehow. Oh, you had my arm.

[Johan]

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[Michael]

Show and it was in a like almost a homoplata kind of. And then you put your. Not Achilles. What's the other side of the Achilles?

[Johan]

Shin ankle.

[Michael]

Yeah. In my throat, actually. For a mounted Go Go plata.

[Johan]

Actually.

[Michael]

Actually, yes. Is actually what happened.

[Johan]

That's a Jiu Jitsu journal day for you. That's not a part of my game at all. And if was it a month or so ago, Johan dove into my garden, move my leg across his body. And my ankle was there.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

In. In his throats. I just grabbed the back of his head. I think that's the first time I've ever gotten a go go plotted. I don't even know how the hell we ended up there today.

[Michael]

Yeah, I. Like I said, I don't remember, but I remember the last couple seconds when I was getting choked with my foot. Yeah. In my throat.

[Johan]

You're welcome. I hope you learned from it.

[Michael]

Yeah, it was definitely a valley in my jiu Jitsu. I wouldn't say that was a peak.

[Johan]

I'm glad that I could be there to be a part of that for you.

[Michael]

Actually, I was more of a. I was more of a nail in that scenario instead of a hammer.

[Johan]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I couldn't replicate what we did if I tried.

[Michael]

No, me either. Well, I didn't really have a say in the matter, but.

[Johan]

Stop playing bottom.

[Michael]

I was trying and then try harder. Yeah. Well, I'll keep that in mind.

[Johan]

Onto more serious notes. What do you got for the week? Other than being sick?

[Michael]

Yeah, a little sick. Well, last week was a crazy week, news wise.

[Johan]

Yeah. So this. So this episode is going to come out after this weeks, which that's not gonna make sense to the listener. We're recording this on the 17th of September. I'm going on my first Elkon. I'm leaving to go my first Elcon on Saturday. So this is going to come out while I'm gone. The one that's going to come out the day before I leave. I'm going to do or we'll have done by the time people are hearing this. I'm going to do a full Friday episode just on what happened with Charlie Kirk specifically. And you know, I was talking with Austin at the gym. People have reached out to me. Well, you know, how could you put up an episode that's not about Charlie or this, that or the other? And first off, and I'm going to cover this, you probably have already heard this actually because this is coming out. Second, I'm not into the breaking news space. Like that's not what I do. So I'm not. I'm not a reporter. I happened to be on the road when that happened. So I was away from my recording equipment anyway. And I don't think I would have done an episode either because, man, some people have been horribly, horribly wrong about the information that they have put out.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And there are some people promoting some conspiracy theories that are just demonstrably false. And I have an amazing amount of concern as to why people are latching on to them. That's what I was talking with Austin about, actually.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

So yeah, if you're listening to this and you haven't heard the previous Friday's episodes and occurred her episode curious how I feel. I'd just point you back at that. But that was just my thoughts on that. I'm curious, somebody in your arc of life, what are your thoughts? How has that impacted you? And I'm assuming you've talked with your friend group or your 18 brothers that you have one may or may not be missing a tooth. It's not a big deal.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, he looks just like me, except for the tooth.

[Johan]

Actually, I don't think you guys look identical at all.

[Michael]

Really. We've been actually we've been mistaken for twins before. Maybe when I was younger.

[Johan]

Was the person wearing glasses? Like really coke bottles?

[Michael]

Anyways, we do look similar.

[Johan]

What are your thoughts? I'm assuming you've seen the video.

[Michael]

Oh yeah, I've seen the video.

[Johan]

Were you looking for it or did it find you?

[Michael]

I actually did go looking for it because I was, I was curious and that's that.

[Johan]

How'd that curiosity treat you?

[Michael]

I mean, yeah, it, you know, it wasn't like a pretty. I wasn't like, oh, nice, you know, I was just like, oh, well, yeah, there, there it is.

[Johan]

You know, is your life better, worse or the same for watching somebody die in that manner?

[Michael]

I mean, definitely worse. I mean, just objectively, like, I don't think you can see that and just be like that. Okay. But you know, I'm not going to. I won't lie and say I'm like, was traumatized from it, but it definitely like when I saw it, I was like, that's not something I would like love to look at. But again, I'm also the one that went and looked it up. So that's on me.

[Johan]

Well, at least you had a chance at it. I think quite a few people got ambushed with that video because the platforms autoplay the stuff and you could be scrolling through and encounter something that you weren't looking for. Which is a situation I encountered with my own kids who all hit me up individually about it. And I don't think they were necessarily seeking it out, but all three of them, to include my 17 year old daughter.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Watched it happen nearly live. I mean, it was, it was up in minutes.

[Michael]

Minutes after.

[Johan]

Yeah, minutes.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Let's say you were there because there's a couple different angles that were there clearly from a phone. Let's say you were there and you record that. Why is one of your first moves to upload that?

[Michael]

Yeah, that's. It's like, why is that even going through your brain at that point?

[Johan]

Because that's the world we live in.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And that's one of my biggest problems that I have with the whole situation.

[Michael]

Yeah, for sure.

[Johan]

So what is a, what is your friend group? Let me preface this. And again, if you heard the Friday episode, you'll probably have heard me say this. I didn't follow Charlie Kirk. I knew who he was. I've actually seen way more of his content now.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And again, not because I'm seeking it out, but it's flood. The platforms are largely flooded with it. So didn't follow him was. I was familiar with who he was. I would see his stuff occasionally. Some of the stuff he has said I think is thought provoking and some of the other stuff he says I disagree with. So that aligns with every other human being I've ever met in my entire life.

[Michael]

Literally everybody. Yep. What's been the talk and your crew, some mixed reaction? Well, the one thing that's consistent from everybody I've talked to is he should not have been murdered for expressing opinions on that.

[Johan]

We agree.

[Michael]

Yeah. However, that has not been consistent from things I've seen online.

[Johan]

Yeah. I. One of the biggest things that has come from me. From me, but one of the biggest things that has come to me after just watching people's reactions. I am. And I said this yesterday on the podcast that we recorded, but that won't be out for a couple months or about a month or so. I'm deeply considering canning all social media and getting off those platforms.

[Michael]

Yeah. I don't think that's a bad idea.

[Johan]

It is not reflective of the world that I see around me.

[Michael]

No, not at all.

[Johan]

And the things that are being amplified, I don't think they're helpful.

[Michael]

Most. Most of them are not.

[Johan]

Yeah. And don't get me wrong, there's some amazing benefits to the Internet in those platforms.

[Michael]

Weanerdog videos.

[Johan]

Case in point. Obviously, I'm gonna get Javier Batman costume for Halloween. Side note, nothing to do with Charlie Kirk, but since we're talking about wiener dog videos for people who can't travel, they can see other places in the world. Right. They can be exposed to things and find inspiration in things that they may never have. Families are, you know, able to share memories more if they want to. But mixed into all of that, and this is a conversation I was trying to express with somebody pretty close in my social circle who, I want to say, lost their mind and was just reposting and posting things absent any level of fact checking.

[Michael]

Right.

[Johan]

Any level of having evidence or data to support it. I. Those feeds are. They don't try to show you a balanced anything. There's nothing balanced in there. I don't know. And I was just trying to explain to this person that there are literally teams of people that are monitoring. Or it's probably not teams of people, but there's Software that are. There's monitoring how you interact with the platform, how do you scroll, where do you stop? What are you engaging with? What are you. Not now why would they have that? How do these platforms make money? How do they monetize our attention? Through engagement and time on the platform. So if you only engage with one particular aspect, guess what happens? It starts showing you more and more and more. And I understand how people end up in echo chambers, but let's just say certain age demographics, I think, are struggling to understand that what they are seeing is not a balanced approach to the world around them.

[Michael]

Yeah. It's not reflective of the world they live in.

[Johan]

No. But even when you do realize it's not reflective of the world that is around you, what benefit is there then to participate in that system? Yeah, it's. I am, I am deeply struggling with what happened last week. And not from the aspect of watching somebody die. I mean that. Not to. To minimize that in any stretch, but as I've said many times, if you touch war, it touches you back. And one of the things that unfortunately, I'm not going to say I am accustomed to, but that impacts me far less is watching something like that happen.

[Michael]

Yeah, well, you. You've seen it before.

[Johan]

Yeah. And I hate the fact that we live in a world where other people have seen stuff like that now too. I don't want to be on those platforms. They suck. And I'm. And I watch people. Oh, man. And I don't. I don't want to think or believe that they, that they're doing this intentionally, but they are using this issue and rushing full speed ahead to put out any type of information around it they possibly can to look for some level of virality so they can increase their user base. And at the end of the day, they're doing that on the back of a dude who was assassinated in public. I am not here to tell people how to live their lives. If. Make whatever content you want, grow your platforms however you want to, I can't participate in that.

[Michael]

Yeah. No, that's fair. And that, I think, goes to you saying we're not a live news update channel.

[Johan]

I'm not. I'm not a breaking news person.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. Well, we get to it when we get. Or, sorry, you get to it when we. When you get to it.

[Johan]

I mean, there are random times where maybe something will happen the day before I record a Friday episode and people will send in questions.

[Michael]

Good timing.

[Johan]

That's timing.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

That's not me thinking, what could I post that could get the most possible engagement. It just. And again, I am not throwing shade at those people. I just can't do that.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johan]

What do your friends think? What are they. What are your friends saying?

[Michael]

Well, like I said, everybody's, you know, of the mind that nobody should be murdered for their opinion. Some care more than others about the person he was and how justified they think it was.

[Johan]

Do they actually know the person he was? Because this is an interesting question too.

[Michael]

No. So they.

[Johan]

Yeah. Are you the sum of the ideas that people may happen to see in fractions of a second on social media? Is that who you are or is that an incomplete collection of your ideas? Because I don't think it is a sum total of who you are as a person.

[Michael]

No, I would, I would agree with you 100%. And I've seen people and not my. None of my friends have really have done this, but people saying it was 100% justified because he was spreading a message of hate. And I would argue that, I mean.

[Johan]

That'S deeply in the eye of the beholder.

[Michael]

Exactly. It's. The message of hate is just a message you don't agree with. And I think it's very ironic that the people that are most. They're saying that this is justified are the ones that for the longest time have claimed to be anti violence a lot for the vast majority. And now all of a sudden, when it's somebody they don't agree with, it's like, oh, actually violence is completely fine and actually justified. And that's the one thing. And I'm kind of on the same boat as you of getting off of social media because every time I see something when people are saying, oh, yeah, he died, but so and so, like, he was a this and that.

[Johan]

Fascist or Nazi. Yeah, A bigot, misogynist. All of the. I mean, I'm repeating.

[Michael]

Fill in the blank.

[Johan]

Yeah, fill in the blank.

[Michael]

I, I get. I never leave comments on anything because I just don't care enough.

[Johan]

But yeah, I, Well, I care deeply about a lot of stuff. I've made zero comments on anything since.

[Michael]

It happened, but it's the closest I've been to random comments saying, you realize that you are almost normalizing political assassination.

[Johan]

Now they have a hand. What in it's. And again, right. Like what's corollary and what's causal? People talking like that, even people applying terms and I mean, brass tacks, honest. Both sides of the aisle have blood on their hands. Yeah, both are. And of course, then the rush becomes, well, they did more than us. We did this because they did that.

[Michael]

How do you even quantify that?

[Johan]

I don't.

[Michael]

There's no way.

[Johan]

I don't know. And I'm not interested in participating in that because that does not. But that does not de. Escalate the situation. That does not remove emotion from the room. That does not enhance logic and objective thought and reasoning. There's a reason I jumped my dad's when he misspoke in the podcast.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And applied a term that has deep meaning from like the 1940s, but is being slapped around by some people. And this is another issue I have with social media. Fringe thoughts start to seem like they are very normal thoughts because you see them everywhere and it's not an equal representation of where they would normally land.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Because prior to social media or smartphones, fringe thoughts lived out on the fringe and you had to get into probably literally a public square to share these ideas. Well, now the public square is in your pocket.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And if you get your stuff engaged with guess this algorithm that everybody thinks is evil, which is probably just math that pays attention to what's being clicked on or paused on or looked at as opposed to what isn't, guess what it does with that. Amplify. Oh, you got a thousand comments. Amplify. A thousand shares. Amplify. Okay, well, let's take a look at what we're amplifying. Oh, that's a horrible, horrendous, hatred filled idea.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Maybe not a good idea. Both sides do that. 100.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

I, I don't have an answer to it because when you say that literally, literally the discussion goes, we did because they did and then we escalated because this and that. And like that's just the Jacob's letter back and forth. Where's it, where's that end? What's the Jacob's ladder?

[Michael]

You know, I have no clue. I mean, I would say if, if actions are taken on each step, violence. And again, the people that are calling for violence, I feel like just have no, like idea of what that actually means. I mean, me included, like, I have no clue. I've never been on the receiving end of actual violence, simulated violence. But I feel like these people just have no idea when they call for, oh, Ben Shapiro next, you know, like.

[Johan]

Donald Trump next person says something like that.

[Michael]

I've seen a lot of people say that.

[Johan]

The people that do. And, and people can hate me for saying this, but anybody doing that and participating in that, you are part of the problem, in my opinion.

[Michael]

Oh, absolutely.

[Johan]

I'm not telling you how to live your life. And if you, if you're paying attention. I didn't tell you to stop. But just one man's personal opinion is that you are part of the problem. And you're probably pointing your finger at somebody else and just saying, well, I'm doing this because they did that. And guess what? You just have fingers pointing back at each other. There's a good chance that both people are part of the problem.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. And I mean, like on the, the right, instantly people are like, oh, this is typical left wing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, how about this guy was just insane.

[Johan]

How about let's give it some time for an investigation to actually go on before instantly whether or not you were proven to be correct later on. How about we give it a beat?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And before making. And because here's one of the issues that I have. There are so many conspiracy theories that are being thrown out and all of this content is being made and one of the biggest critiques people have of the written word and magazines, even in digital that write articles that have fallacies in them or mistakes, they're like, well, yeah, but it's the first article, you know, that gets all the traction. And then they put, you know, they'll put an asterisk on it three days later and bury it 14 pages deep. So well, meaning that the headline leads and nobody ever comes back to read like, oh, by the way, this was a mistake because the newspaper doesn't prioritize that. They bury it. How many of these content creators do you think are going to come back and make another video and open with, hey, just so you guys know, I was wrong.

[Michael]

Yeah, no, never.

[Johan]

Then that's such hypocrisy.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johan]

I mean, I'll be like, again, by the time this episode comes out, the previous one, Fridays, which will be the 19th, will have come out. And the first thing I'm going to have to do in that episode is timestamp it. This is the day I recorded this. This is the time that I recorded it. This is the information I have now. And I can give my opinion based off of what I have. But I haven't rushed and made that video and I haven't rushed to give my opinion because, yeah, some of these people. It's a wild conjecture going out there. And yes, some of these people will be proven to be true through luck and nothing else.

[Michael]

Yeah. Because there's so many opinions being spewed out there.

[Johan]

Yeah. Some of them against the wall. Some of it is going to stay up there and. And might end up looking what I like, an abstract Christmas tree, if you want. But yeah, you know that for the people out there who are growing their audience on the back of this, which, again, I live. Do whatever you want, consume the content you want, make the content you want. But if you're, if you're playing on the fringe because you know it'll trend, are you ever going to take the time to go back and actually acknowledge the fact that you were wrong? Because if you're not, I don't ever want to hear it from you again. When anybody else is proven to be mistaken or inaccurate in the future, and then they don't correct themselves because you're just a hypocrite.

[Michael]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Johan]

Like, why Rush? I mean, what did it. What did it. What did it happen a week ago? It was a week ago today, right?

[Michael]

What is it Today?

[Johan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Wednesday. I think so.

[Johan]

Yeah. I mean, people want to know everything about everybody involved, and they want to see all the evidence, and they want to know what the FBI knows and what they don't know. And it's like, it. It's been a week.

[Michael]

Yeah. It's been.

[Johan]

None of that information, by the way, brings that person back to life, whether you agreed with that person or hated them and wanted them dead.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

So what's this artificial rush?

[Michael]

There's no reason. I mean, it's literally just to get engagement. Yeah. Well, and also people that have been saying, oh, well, what about the kids in Gaza? They died, too. It's like you can recognize that both things are wrong.

[Johan]

Yeah. It's a factually true statement. There are kids that have died in Gaza, which has nothing to do what happened with.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Charlie Kirk and people. Why do you. Why do people have. Well, that's the diffusion. Right. Or the, you know. Well, it's bad, but not as bad as this. And what do you have to say? What say you about this?

[Michael]

Yeah, I.

[Johan]

My mind doesn't work that way. Like, here's an issue. If you ask me, I'll answer the question. If you roll in Gaza, then like, okay, let's lateral to that and we can talk about that.

[Michael]

It's a different discussion.

[Johan]

Yeah. Let's just separate and parse out the two.

[Michael]

Yeah. You know, and you can be of the opinion that both things are bad. And. But, yeah, I don't know. People are just getting all up in arms about that.

[Johan]

Do you think it'll change anything in your generation of kids, this specific event?

[Michael]

It's hard to Say, because a lot of these events seem really big in the moment, but a month in the rear view mirror, it's like nothing has changed. Yeah. And so it's tough to say if this will be as big. I'm not trying to minimize it by any means, but if it will have a very lasting impression. So I think I could see a world where it does change a lot because, like, if I'm really projecting into the future, I could see a future where, you know, murders for politics like this become more normalized. And that is really scary because there should be no consequence for exercising your First Amendment right. Well, I guess the consequence for exercising your First Amendment right should never be death.

[Johan]

Yeah. There are consequences for First Amendment privileges. People need to understand what the First Amendment actually is. And it's a protection from the federal government.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Johan]

So these people complaining that they're being fired because of expressing their First Amendment rights, I'll be the first person to stand up and defend their right to say whatever they want to. But that protection is from the government, not a private employer.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Johan]

If you don't understand that, that's a little bit on you. I don't know what the long term impact is going to be either. But I tell you what, you don't kill what you consider to be a bad idea with a bullet. You use a better idea because by using that bullet. I have read that I believe his organization was called Turning Point, right?

[Michael]

Yes.

[Johan]

I think there were 8,000 turning point. I'm going to call them chapters. They may call them something else.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Johan]

It's schools and universities across the country.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Johan]

Within the last seven days. And I don't have. I can't check the absolute veracity of this, but I've seen this in multiple places. They have received 30,000 applications for turning Point chapters at schools and universities.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Did his ideas get killed by a bullet?

[Michael]

No.

[Johan]

In matter of fact, enlarged.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

So who's to say where that will go? Who's to say whether those things will actually be followed through on and what may come of that? But for anybody who thinks they won't, from the perspective of that one individual is no longer able to speak. If that does happen in 30,000 other organizations grow from that. That's the literal definition of winning a battle and losing the war.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's at that point is almost like martyrdom, you know, rising char or. Yeah. Raising Charlie up to like the level of martyr almost.

[Johan]

Yeah. I don't know what, what makes somebody rise to that level?

[Michael]

I don't know either. But yeah, yeah. And the other thing is, lots of conspiracies have come from this saying how.

[Johan]

Let'S just be honest, the US government has done a really good job of eroding trust.

[Michael]

Oh yeah.

[Johan]

From just about everybody. So that one doesn't surprise me that much.

[Michael]

The one that I saw and was like, this doesn't make sense is the one where it's like, oh, that wasn't a marksman level shot. Nobody would ever be able to make that unless they were trained for years and years and years. And I was just like, I could.

[Johan]

Take somebody with who had never touched a firearm. And you could absolutely make a 200 yard shot within two hours. Yes, on range. And the scoped hunting rifle, by the.

[Michael]

Way, 150 yards, I think it was.

[Johan]

Closer to 200, but honestly, relatively negligible.

[Michael]

Seriously, I mean, 150 yards with the 30 out 6 with a stationary target, very easy.

[Johan]

You say that you've never lined the crosshairs up on another human being?

[Michael]

On a human, okay, yes. I'm thinking of a deer.

[Johan]

I feel like you would still crumble in that moment as well, but that's a little bit different. So imagine that on a, on a paper range. Yeah, that's easy. You can sit there, you shoot when you want to. You didn't have to conceal yourself in what you're doing and get into a position unseen. There wasn't thousands of people downrange of your shot as well. You know, one of the ways to stabilize a weapon is to put it on a bipod. Assuming the picture I've seen of the rifle doesn't have one. There's not even a sling which you could use. There's a way you can weave your arm through the sling to really put tension on there to stabilize yourself. So that means assuming this was the shooter and that's that weapon he was balancing, laying down, I'm assuming on his elbows, which, yeah, that's probably the most stable you can get without using something like to, to rest it on a bipod. But it ain't that stable. And you know what you're about to do. You know the consequences of your actions. Or maybe this person, they're 22, right. Prefrontal cortex not fully developed. And that's not an excuse by at all, by the way. I just wonder how much they knew about the totality of what it is they were going to do. And it's irrelevant whether they knew or not. They still took the action, so.

[Michael]

Right, yeah.

[Johan]

It's not like you were laying on a range with Ear Pro in on a sunny day, shooting whenever you wanted to. So, yes. Even though it is technically not a difficult shot, and by the way, and I'm sure I will cover this because I haven't recorded that Friday episode yet, nobody aims for the neck, ever. I've never heard that taught, talked about or demonstrated. Although it's a technically very simple shot for a trained person, even somebody within an hour or two of training, the overall totality of what that person was trying to do makes it probably anything but easy.

[Michael]

Yes. I don't think. I doubt he was aiming for the neck.

[Johan]

I would be shocked.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

I would imagine either he was aiming for the head to make a spectacle.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Or the chest to try to make sure it was final.

[Michael]

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But all around, insane situation, insane week.

[Johan]

Pretty wild.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

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[Michael]

Yeah, I've got a few here, man. Some of them are. It's honestly kind of a pretty dark week.

[Johan]

Send it. What do you got?

[Michael]

There are a couple things. Okay. AI Health detection that can apparently. I'm gonna open up the article here. Apparently, detect health issues up to 10 years out and oops, what the people are like, oh, this is gonna be so great. You can detect.

[Johan]

Throw this up on the screen. What are we talking about?

[Michael]

The first thing I thought of is insurance companies are going to use this to deny you health care.

[Johan]

Oh. If you're at a higher risk profile, yes.

[Michael]

The very first I was like, this is not great. Like, this is going to suck, actually, for everybody.

[Johan]

I could see that happening.

[Michael]

Here we go.

[Johan]

AI can forecast your future health just like the weather. Yeah. Scroll on down here. Hold on. Okay. So it's looking through medical records. Interesting. So the technology has learned to spot patterns in people's medical records to calculate the risk of more than a thousand diseases. Researchers say it is like a weather forecast that anticipates a 70% chance of rain. But for human health, the vision is to use the AI model to spot high risk patients to prevent disease and to help hospitals understand demand in their area years ahead of time. Yeah, I could see that. And I could also see exactly what you described it as.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And it's just looking at their health records too, huh? Well, I would. You know, LLMs and these models, they can only. They work off the data points that they basically can train themselves on. So maybe that could be awesome. But I, and I also don't know exactly the depth of detail. I mean, are we talking about blood work, hormones, cancer screen, like all of this stuff, or just the notes that the doctor writes when you go see your primary care provider?

[Michael]

I'm not sure exactly what it comes from.

[Johan]

I mean, I do think that preventative medicine is awesome. I mean, if you could catch some of this stuff and then identify from somebody's medical records what they may be at risk for and then start paying attention pretty deeply for those things or doing deeper tests, I'm all about that.

[Michael]

That could be great. Yeah, for sure. I just fear the negative uses of this technology.

[Johan]

Yeah, but isn't that true of every tech?

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, I suppose, but this one just seems especially nefarious.

[Johan]

All right.

[Michael]

In my opinion.

[Johan]

Well, sometimes that's all you can have, Michael, is your opinion.

[Michael]

That's true. Usually completely wrong.

[Johan]

I, I think it could be awesome. And I can 100 see how your head immediately went to. Insurance companies are going to use this to flag high risk people. And oh, by the way, this is like, this is. Maybe you'll understand this movie reference or not. This is like the Minority Report of health records.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah. I've not seen it, but I know, I know the concept.

[Johan]

Okay. Every time you're at the house watching hobby, I know you're watching movies because you usually leave yourself logged in under the username Ginger.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

So I can see you're watching stuff. How are you not taking the time while watching the dog to watch these movies that we constantly reference?

[Michael]

I just, I, I just keep watching the Office and Parks and Rec. I did watch Night, have You seen Knives Out?

[Johan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Really good.

[Johan]

Have you seen Boondock Saints yet?

[Michael]

No.

[Johan]

God.

[Michael]

Which one is that one?

[Johan]

Shut up. What do you got here?

[Michael]

Have you heard about what's going on in Nepal?

[Johan]

No.

[Michael]

Apparently a bunch of Gen Z people, or a group calling them, I think they call themselves Gen Z has pretty much taken over. And they burnt their government like main Parliament building.

[Johan]

Okay.

[Michael]

They. I don't think they. I pretty sure they didn't kill anybody, but.

[Johan]

Okay, well, on Friday night, after days of nationwide upheaval in which at least 70 people were killed. So good job reading the article by.

[Michael]

No, no, that was by.

[Johan]

Oh, so you don't think the protesters killed anybody?

[Michael]

Yes.

[Johan]

Okay.

[Michael]

Yes, yes.

[Johan]

So the Prime Minister resigned. Minister KP Sharma. Oli or Olai. The respected jurist Shushila Karki, interim Prime Minister. Okay, so it looks like they're having some turnover in their government. Emerging youth movement calling itself Gen Z. Original points for that. Yeah. Has been building momentum across social media. Young people were protesting the endemic corruption and nepotism of the country's political leaders, as well as the deep economic and social inequality. When the government announced a near total ban on social media on September 5, a mere 11 days ago, popular anger was overwhelming. And Gen Z groups, led by the organization hami Nepal, use VPNs to call for large and peaceful demonstrations outside of Parliament on September 8. Scroll down. So they did a rally, they did a march. School children in their uniforms, mass of thousands of protesters. The police guarding Parliament fired live ammunition into the crowd, killing at least 20 protesters. Wow. Who precisely gave the order to do so is under investigation. Uh, the next day, shockingly enough, mayhem ensued. Main government buildings were torched. The homes of the Prime Minister and other party leaders and ministers were attacked and burned. The violence and arson took on moment of its own, spreading to hotels, including the Kathmandu Hilton, and corporate offices, media companies, even retail chains and EV showrooms, symbols of the wealthy elite. This is your generation. Michael.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Johan]

What do you think about this? What's it going to take for you to overthrow the government?

[Michael]

I have no plans for that currently.

[Johan]

What would it take for you to take action? If they ban social media, would that be enough for you?

[Michael]

Almost, but not because I'm a fan of social media, but because that is, to me seems like a pretty direct attack on freedom of speech.

[Johan]

What if they said we're taking our guns?

[Michael]

Yeah, that, that. The problem is if. If. So say hypothetically, they say, we're taking your guns and somebody comes to take.

[Johan]

Them to take your smoke.

[Michael]

Take The Constitution?

[Johan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

If somebody comes to take this bad boy. No. So if you use your Second Amendment right to defend yourself against this government agent, the system's in place. You're now a criminal. And if that does not go along with a massive upheaval of everybody else going along with you, what if the.

[Johan]

Government is engaged in criminal behavior by trying to suppress your Second Amendment right?

[Michael]

That 100% is.

[Johan]

So who's the criminal?

[Michael]

I would say the government, but they're the ones who make the rules. So if you are like a lone wolf in this scenario, you have absolutely no chance. And.

[Johan]

But if you can get society to sway in your favor.

[Michael]

Yes. Then there's a chance, but it's. You're kind of out of luck. If. If you exercise your rights so apparently given to you by the Second Amendment, but then you become a criminal and nobody is on your side, what do you do? I mean, you are, even though you are exercising your rights as a human to resist government overreach, tyranny, if you will, tyranny, it doesn't matter, because the system is so ingrained and powerful that you will just be thrown in jail anyways.

[Johan]

That would be an interesting adjudication in.

[Michael]

A court of law. Yeah. And this is assuming. I mean, we're gone so far down the road that the courts no longer uphold your freedoms.

[Johan]

In that case, I think you might mobilize the vast majority of society.

[Michael]

You would hope, but it's. It's.

[Johan]

Somebody has to be first. Young Michael.

[Michael]

It's not me.

[Johan]

You're not going to tie an American flag bandana around your head.

[Michael]

Isn't that like an improper use of the American flag?

[Johan]

Oh, I don't know. I think there are people that would argue that. But then you see gym shorts that are made out of the American flag, and I'm pretty sure dudes and balls are rubbing up against those. So.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

If I was an American flag, which would I choose? The headband or the lower band? I'm going headband.

[Michael]

Yeah. Well, the other problem, too, is like. It's like the. The frog in the pot analogy where.

[Johan]

Slowly heating the water.

[Michael]

Yeah. And you don't realize where you're at.

[Johan]

A revocation of the Second Amendment I do not believe would be a microscopic increase in temperature if the government woke up one day and said, by the way, you know, these first 10amendments, the bill writes were, we're gonna go ahead and put an asterisk on some of these. We're gonna modify them. I don't think that would be a Microscopic, Temporal.

[Michael]

No. In that scenario. Yeah. You could probably get half the country.

[Johan]

I actually think not half. I think it would be more. And I don't think for the vast majority of federal and state agents or agencies that they would support that because you got to remember. So either, you got to remember, that would be Americans trying to strip the rights.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Of other Americans.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And it's like this is not like an invading CCP army, you know, Red dawn scenario.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Those people, this is a mixed bag in every community and I think the vast majority of them would say no.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

So yeah, the government can take no, you're going to do it. And they look at you and go, no, I hear what you're saying, but you don't actually have a mechanism to do that.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

So what you going to do? Yeah, we're going to send in the military. Guess what? The military is comprised of citizens.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah. But it's happened in the past, you know, I mean look at. Actually I don't know exactly the history of Nazi Germany, but their own government committed mass genocide against some of their own citizens.

[Johan]

I wonder if things like that would have been possible with the connectedness to the world in real time of social media again. Right. Pros and cons. It does allow a minority group. Not necessarily, and I don't mean like gender, religion, I mean like a small amount of people.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

To shine a spotlight that is inordinately larger than that group of people globally.

[Michael]

Yeah. I don't know, I mean maybe. I mean there are. Look at North Korea. There's a huge spotlight. Everybody knows what's going on in there, but the outside world doesn't. I don't want to say doesn't care.

[Johan]

Enough, but it just probably because they are contained.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

You know.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

I think again, I'm not an expert on what's going on in North Korea. There might be and there might not be some parallels between modern day North Korea and Nazi Germany. I'm not aware of what they may be. I think there's a. Two relatively different ideologies.

[Michael]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Johan]

And again, maybe it would be totally possible for that still to happen. But. And that's the thing I ask myself about social media. Right. I. A lot of what I'm currently seeing absolutely disgusts me and I don't want to participate in it. But do you restrict that again, that ability for small groups of people to highlight injustice that should be recognized and have action take. I don't know how you. It's a. You're walking on A razor blade. Somebody's getting cut at all times.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. But to answer your question about would I stand up for my second amendment right.

[Johan]

Yeah. So you hear something? Boom, boom, boom. Michel, we know you're in there with the Constitution. Would you just smoke a freaking 50 cent piece sized hole right through the door and then reload for several minutes?

[Michael]

Unfortunately, I think the door would be compromised at that point. So you'd have a lot you easier time getting in.

[Johan]

How would the door be compromised if you shot a single ball through it? Do you have any idea how doors are made or what they're made of?

[Michael]

No. Wood.

[Johan]

Okay. You are relatively familiar with wood, right? Something like the size of a quarter. Why would that.

[Michael]

I feel like the Constitution would do a lot more damage than that. Why do you think the shrapnel that comes with it.

[Johan]

The what? What do you think comes out of one of those?

[Michael]

Well, if it's me, this isn't a.

[Johan]

Cannon where they're like jamming nails and forks down there. Like pirates. No, you couldn't.

[Michael]

Not nails and forks, but little pieces of metal along with the ball.

[Johan]

Why?

[Michael]

More shrapnel, more damage. It's like a little claymore.

[Johan]

It's like talking to a child. A little claymore?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Do you even know what a claymore does?

[Michael]

It's like this thing that you set down and it has little lasers that detect movement and then.

[Johan]

No, it doesn't.

[Michael]

Or whatever. It detects some movement.

[Johan]

Hold on.

[Michael]

Don'T some of them have lasers that detect movement?

[Johan]

What's your reference for this?

[Michael]

Call of Duty and also Battlefield?

[Johan]

Yeah. No, they don't. You know how you aim a claymore? Pull up a picture of an actual claymore.

[Michael]

Okay, look, this one has lasers.

[Johan]

Yeah, that's also a video game. The one to the left of it. Pull it up. Okay, you see that single individual peg in the middle there above the O?

[Michael]

This?

[Johan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Okay, so just higher than that, you see the notches in the back there? You know what that is?

[Michael]

No.

[Johan]

That's the iron sights of a claymore.

[Michael]

Oh, really?

[Johan]

You know how you aim a claymore? You put a pencil on the top of it and you move it until the pencil is pointing at a relative area that you want to go.

[Michael]

That's cool. Wait, so how does it set off? Do you set it off manually?

[Johan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Really?

[Johan]

So the things on top for blasting caps, that can go in there. Of course, you could have this set up if you. You could booby trap this and have a trip wire Whatever it is.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Pressure plate. But most of the time you have a clacker.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

That you unwind and you go, hopefully find a real awesome ditch and you get into it because. Do you even know what's in a claymore?

[Michael]

Shrapnel? I don't know. Is it like a shaped charge?

[Johan]

This is what I have to deal with, lasers on claymores.

[Michael]

This is why these are your favorite episodes, right?

[Johan]

Fuck. Okay, there is explosive on the back of the claymore.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Johan]

Front towards enemy. It is be convex slightly.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

But there is an explosive charge that pushes largely bearings, BBs, Jacks, whatever. Like.

[Michael]

So I was right. Shrapnel.

[Johan]

I think you're talking about a bucket of your dad's old like nuts and bolts that you would put into here. These are actually made in a factory to military tolerances. So you have to. There's danger on both sides of a claymore.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Johan]

There is the fragmentation side that goes out and there is still risk from the explosion on the other side. Which is why you need. It's a good rule of thumb for if you're ever going to use explosive charges. If you can see, can see you.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Johan]

Yeah. So. No, dude, there's no lasers. Do you know why? Do you know why there's no lasers, Michael?

[Michael]

No, but now I'm curious.

[Johan]

Because people would see them and. You're stupid.

[Michael]

What if they're infrared?

[Johan]

Mmm. Guess what? You can see at night with night vision goggles.

[Michael]

Okay. But the guys you were fighting didn't have night vision, did they?

[Johan]

Sometimes.

[Michael]

Sometimes. Like, where'd they get it?

[Johan]

The Internet? Or off of dead bodies.

[Michael]

Really? Okay, okay, that makes sense.

[Johan]

Yeah. Not incredibly high tech. They used to. The Sony Handycams used to have a night mode that was basically really, really poor. Pixelated night vision. Yeah, but it'd be enough to see people who didn't have good infrared light discipline moving towards a target if they had lasers on or had a, you know, a light ad.

[Michael]

Yeah. So infrared lasers wouldn't work.

[Johan]

They could. I suppose.

[Michael]

They should be taking ideas from me.

[Johan]

Do you actually think that the constitute Pull that thing up, don't point it at your face, but like maybe just look over the top and tell me how much stuff you think you could put down there with a bowl.

[Michael]

Lots of small stuff.

[Johan]

Such as?

[Michael]

Little. Like ball bearings maybe.

[Johan]

Why would you do that?

[Michael]

Some metal shavings.

[Johan]

Oh, metal shavings. Yeah. That responds well to an explosion if you. Okay, so imagine a hole around coming out of there. The size, the diameter of the hole there why would that structurally damage the door?

[Michael]

If I aimed at the hinges, maybe.

[Johan]

You have one shot, so you better change that to hinge.

[Michael]

Oh, they're coming in my door in this scenario.

[Johan]

What scenario is happening in your mind? I told you, somebody beating on the door.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Michel, you're in there with the constitution. It's time. And you're like, boom. And now you're saying, the hinge, it would take you an hour to reload that thing. Enough times to hit the hinges. This entire room would be filled with gunpowder smoke, because those things, when they go off, it's like a fucking volcano exploding. So you would actually probably have asphyxiated.

[Michael]

Before they can get to me, I would already be dead.

[Johan]

Yeah, or unconscious. This entire room would be full of smoke. We'd be blind.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

You wouldn't have the foresight to open up a window.

[Michael]

No, not at all.

[Johan]

So why would it structurally damage the door?

[Michael]

I was just spitballing.

[Johan]

I would do less of that.

[Michael]

Don't go off the top of my head anymore.

[Johan]

I mean, it's your choice. People are going to judge you for what you say, as they should.

[Michael]

But yeah, no, for sure. How did we even.

[Johan]

I don't know. I just. In my mind, I'm so worried. If you think you shot that door, it would just vaporize like it was a cannonball off the USS Constitution. And that in your home defense scenario, you have claymores with laser beams all around your house, like, right up against the house. So if it did go off, it would also blow up the structure, too. I'm so disappointed in you.

[Michael]

Well, nobody's getting into my house, that's for sure. Or out.

[Johan]

Yeah. Crack security. Crack security. I don't know how we got on.

[Michael]

That, but I don't know either.

[Johan]

Oh, I was asking you what it would take for you to fight back.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I guess I would probably try to hide my guns before fighting.

[Johan]

Okay. That could make fighting harder, depending on where you hide them.

[Michael]

True.

[Johan]

Yeah, but what would you go with? Let's talk about optimal place as far as hiding spots. Oh, yeah. Oh, and don't try to make stuff up. Just go stream of consciousness. Where would you hide it?

[Michael]

In the. Well, there's a. We have a place out in the middle of nowhere. Really deep hole. Wrap the gun, Put the guns in something that resists erosion.

[Johan]

Such as.

[Michael]

Like, some sort of metal box. I don't know where I would get this metal box.

[Johan]

Okay.

[Michael]

Or, oh, maybe like a yeti cooler. Actually, a big yeti cooler.

[Johan]

Okay. What would you dig this hole with?

[Michael]

My dad has a backhoe.

[Johan]

Yeah, because that's what you would need to bury a Yeti cooler big enough to fit firearms into.

[Michael]

I mean, you could do it by hand. It would just take you a long time.

[Johan]

Yeah. How deep?

[Michael]

Pretty deep. Probably at least six feet. But then I feel like you would need something over it to resist, like metal detection.

[Johan]

Oh, cool. Would you use.

[Michael]

I don't actually know because I don't know what metal detectors use to detect metal. So I don't know how I would resist that because I feel like anything that would scramble it would just make it seem like there's a huge thing of metal right there.

[Johan]

I could see you just putting out acres of tinfoil, like six inches underneath the dirt. Okay. In your scenario where you're trying to hide these weapons because the US Is falling apart, how rapidly do you think that you would be able to access that in a this remote location, buried six feet deep when you actually needed them?

[Michael]

Okay, well, yeah, that would. That would be a while. It would take me a while because I would.

[Johan]

Longer than the time you would have available.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Plan B. What you got?

[Michael]

Okay, keep going.

[Johan]

Plan A sucks.

[Michael]

So now. Okay, so in this scenario, it's basically full autocracy. Yeah.

[Johan]

Don't word. Don't use words. I don't know what they are.

[Michael]

It's full, like, authoritarian, like crackdown.

[Johan]

Sure.

[Michael]

Everything's corrupt.

[Johan]

Sure.

[Michael]

Okay. In that scenario, then I almost feel like I don't have a choice. Then have to pretty much have to be like, all right, I'm gonna shoot you if you come in here.

[Johan]

Okay. But first, I need several hours in a shovel to get to my weapons to shoot you.

[Michael]

Yeah, hold on a second. I'll be. I'll be right back. Let me get you.

[Johan]

Come back tomorrow at noon.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

And over by this tree, six paces off the southern side of this tree. I'll meet you there.

[Michael]

The whole idea of hiding them is I'm not going to tell him where.

[Johan]

They are or in anything. Did I've. So, just so you know, I was mocking you and making fun of you by that description because that's how long it would take you to access those guns. Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that you tell him where they were hidden. I was just mocking your plan because you would be found in that hole six feet from the south end of the tree, still digging for the yeti that you buried.

[Michael]

But you think a yeti is a good idea?

[Johan]

No.

[Michael]

What would you use?

[Johan]

Plastic.

[Michael]

Okay. Plus, like, just plastic. Like tub or like. Or just wrap it in plastic?

[Johan]

I would wrap it in plastic. Why do you need a tub?

[Michael]

Well, I don't know. It seems more enclosed.

[Johan]

How long do you think it's going to be underground? In my mind, this would be something that would be a hasty cachet. I need to protect it well enough that the elements aren't going to degrade it, which I can do very rapidly with plastic. Shallower burying. Maybe not even bury it. I'm not going to give anybody any ideas, so we're going to leave it at that. I'm definitely not going to give you any ideas because I'm fascinated at what comes out of your mouth.

[Michael]

You know those. Those. How you put your food in the tree to discourage so bears can't get them.

[Johan]

You realize those are in plain sight, right?

[Michael]

I know, but, like, you could. Yeah, something.

[Johan]

You could just wrap guns in plastic and let them hang out there like wind chimes. Nobody will ever know. What's that? Oh, those just look like guns hanging from a tree.

[Michael]

You could put them, like, closer to the trunk and then camouflage it somehow.

[Johan]

How?

[Michael]

I don't know. Clearly, Peanut brown.

[Johan]

Painted brown. Yes. Okay, so what I'm getting from this is that you're doomed. Yeah. I mean, everybody has their point, Right. The line in the sand, I think. What's the word you used? Autocracy.

[Michael]

Autocracy, yeah.

[Johan]

Man. I feel like at that point society would just be collapsing on itself. I think you would have far less risk, probably from federal agencies.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Johan]

Than people who are probably fighting for their survival.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah, probably.

[Johan]

And to defend yourself from those, you probably wouldn't want to spend the better part of two days digging to your guns.

[Michael]

Yeah. I was assuming a less strict government, but if it's, like, gotten to that point, it's like, well, I'll get you.

[Johan]

A yeti cooler for Christmas.

[Michael]

Thank you.

[Johan]

Yeah. Just in case, here's a video. How long does it take Michael to dig a hole big enough to bury a yeti cooler? Six foot deep. You get a hand spade. A gardening spade.

[Michael]

No, that's not fair. I would have a shovel.

[Johan]

Bullshit.

[Michael]

I would have.

[Johan]

Fair is in Iowa. We talked about this. Fair is in Iowa. With cotton candy. Merry go rounds.

[Michael]

I would have a full size shovel.

[Johan]

You would hope to have a full size shovel. Sometimes life gives you what you got, not what you want to have.

[Michael]

I just think that way, too.

[Johan]

Okay, now you have. You're hiding a shovel.

[Michael]

Good.

[Johan]

Very good.

[Michael]

To dig my hole.

[Johan]

To dig your hole. Good.

[Michael]

All right.

[Johan]

How long do you Legitimately think it would take you by hand to dig a six foot hole big enough to bury a yeti cooler?

[Michael]

Probably the better part of a day, I would agree.

[Johan]

I thought you were gonna say like an hour and then I was gonna bet you a thousand dollars could do it.

[Michael]

No, I could not do that hour. That would be insane.

[Johan]

Yeah, well, your idea is to begin with. So how long have we been going?

[Michael]

57.

[Johan]

That's probably enough for today. Let's leave people just with tomfoolery. No, just your thoughts on. No, you've already given them Michael's.

[Michael]

I see.

[Johan]

Michael's deep but exceptionally shallow thoughts on how to survive.

[Michael]

I think you mean. Yeah, never mind.

[Johan]

What were you just about to say?

[Michael]

Well, you said deep and exceptionally shallow, which makes no sense. I think you meant wide but exceptionally shallow.

[Johan]

Why would you assume I meant wide? Because in any part of the conversation. Oh, don't worry, I'll unpack it for you here in a second. You are fascinating me today. In any part of the last 10 minutes, have either of us used the word wide?

[Michael]

No, because deep and shallow mean completely separate.

[Johan]

No kidding.

[Michael]

Yeah. So it doesn't make sense that you.

[Johan]

Just said that again, I was mocking you to your face, which is the only way you should mock people.

[Michael]

I agree, actually.

[Johan]

Deep thoughts, meaning you want to dig a deep hole, right? Six foot hole like you said.

[Michael]

Yeah, six feet, yeah.

[Johan]

Shallow, meaning you've clearly put almost no thought into this.

[Michael]

Yeah, I haven't because I just came up with it on the spot.

[Johan]

Deep thoughts, shallow reality.

[Michael]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Johan]

It's okay if it doesn't make sense to you. I now, having heard you unpack your plans, it makes sense to me. Why it doesn't make sense to you. I've learned a lot about you today.

[Michael]

Stuff you didn't already know.

[Johan]

I have more concern for you nowadays. Yeah, I am actually concerned for your survival at this point. But yeah, we today was a journey of exploration and learning. Fortunately, we have a lot of people joining us for this. Yeah, anybody who wants to send Michael books on survival, please send him to the coffee shop. I'll make sure that he gets them because he clearly, without a shadow of a doubt, needs as much help as humanly possible.

[Michael]

I think that's a good end.

[Johan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Until next time.

[Johan]

You disgust me.

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