Schools, Cover-Ups, and the Epstein Files | Rich Hy | Ep. 438

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Host: Andy Stumpf
Guest: Rich Hy ("Angry Cops")
Episode: Schools, Cover-Ups, and the Epstein Files | Ep. 438
Date: March 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging and candid episode, Andy Stumpf welcomes back Rich Hy (aka "Angry Cops") for a frank and frequently hilarious conversation covering policing culture, accountability, institutional failures, internet fame, the infamous Epstein files, military culture, current politics, and more. The pair blend personal stories, sharp analysis, and their signature dark humor to tackle newsworthy issues while reflecting on lessons learned from their respective professions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Internet Stolen Valor & Malibu Fitness (02:00–09:25)

• Recent internet controversy around a fitness influencer accused of “stolen valor” is examined.
• Both agree Malibu Fitness will probably bounce back because he didn’t aggressively base his brand on a fake military identity.
• Andy: “When you f*** up in life, welcome to life. It’s how you own it that matters. If you can just sit there and own it, you can learn from it and grow from it.” [08:12]
• Comparison to Tim Kennedy’s situation: Discussing how one’s identity and reaction to controversy impacts public forgiveness.
• Observations about online repercussions vs. real-world character.

2. Policing, Complaints & Systemic Issues (25:01–47:51)

• Rich discusses morale and union dynamics in the NYPD and broader US police forces (25:01).
• Andy: “Trying to formulate an articulate argument about getting rid of law enforcement or defunding the police... those same people will still call 911 if something happens.” [25:54]
• Conversation on citizen complaints against cops, how easily “racism” gets alleged, and the lasting impact of complaints even if unfounded (46:04).
• Emphasizes mental health impacts and the critical need for therapy—especially for SVU officers: “I have to be very calm and listen... [otherwise] I’d get complaints. The internet then just sees ‘30 complaints’ and never bothers with context.” [45:37]
• Rich shares his experience with high numbers of complaints due to proactive policing (jump-out squads).

3. School Cover-Ups & Broken Systems (15:36–23:31)

• Rich updates Andy on the Buffalo schools scandal and the challenges of holding anyone accountable.
• Investigations into serious incidents (sexual assault, attempted child abduction) are often stymied by destroyed evidence, lack of cooperation, and misapplication of privacy laws (FERPA).
• Rich: “We found systemic issues... but we’re not going to hold anybody in charge of the system accountable. It was an accident.” [23:22]
• Andy laments erosion of public trust in institutions due to lack of accountability.

4. The Epstein Files & Conspiracies (28:40–41:26; 44:08–47:51)

• The avalanche of “Epstein Files” and how public interpretation is complicated by volume and lack of verification.
• Andy: “They released three million files. In an investigatory document, you’re writing down what somebody is telling you—that doesn’t mean it’s been verified.” [36:36]
• Both express skepticism about triple-agent theories; Andy posits Epstein was likely a money launderer for intel agencies, not a secret super spy.
• Blackmail, intelligence, and high-level protection discussed.
• Caution about taking wild internet rumors at face value: “There’s crazy people out there. And in an investigative file... not everything should be taken as gospel.” [39:37]
• Epstein’s death: Debated possibility of accountability or genuine prison suicide; noted that the system may protect itself.
• Pizzagate: Discussed realities vs. internet legend regarding child exploitation terminology and the actual dangers lurking on the dark web.

5. Modern Internet, Bots, & Misinformation (105:43–107:57)

• The “Dead Internet” theory: Rich and Andy riff on the idea that much online activity (especially inflammatory comments) might be bots/AI, not real people.
• Discuss strategies for engaging in online debate—looking for genuine discourse vs. trolling.
• Perils of text-only communication and misreading tone, especially in arguments.

6. Media, Bias & Public Information (115:00–117:49)

• Media’s role in corruption and public misunderstanding; “yellow journalism” and intentional slanting of news coverage (114:42).
• “You don’t hate the media enough. ...You can go to CNN or Fox, look at the same story, and realize the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.” [115:02]
• Overhyped, misleading narratives—especially surrounding cases involving law enforcement—can be impossible to correct after the fact.

7. Personal Stories: Trauma, Grief & Therapy (99:13–101:13)

• Both men describe handling family grief and trauma, compartmentalization, and the challenge of emotional disconnect after military or police work.
• Rich and Andy agree that therapy and open acknowledgment of these changes are necessary for long-term personal health.

8. Building a Platform: YouTube Growth & Social Media (108:05–112:05)

• Rich recounts growing “Angry Cops” to 1.5 million followers: Consistency and authentic humor were keys, not overnight virality.
• Rich: “Nobody wants to see the ten-year overnight success.” [111:18]
• Dangers of sudden fame, bot followers, and why sustainable internet presence takes hard work.

9. Drill Sergeant Perspectives & Military Culture (80:27–89:51)

• Rich discusses common misconceptions about drill sergeants and the value of discipline, mentorship, and “kill hat” leadership.
• Relays stories of breaking down unfit trainees, not to make them quit but to encourage change—unless they genuinely don’t belong.
• Impact of “graduation rates” and officer-driven standards: “A 100% graduation rate is a terrible, terrible standard to set in any program.” [93:37]

10. Government Dysfunction: Taxes & Regulations (53:49–62:03)

• New York's sky-high taxes and regulatory headaches; Greg’s gym shrubbery conundrum.
• The Revolutionary War started over a 1–2% tax—now Americans face 20–30% and more complicated codes.
• Flat tax proposals vs. endless bureaucracy; skepticism about government stewardship of tax dollars.
• Andy: “I’d be okay with higher taxes if they showed me they were good stewards of our money... but we never see that.” [59:24]

11. Political Party Critique, Candidates & the Election (148:12–150:06)

• Sharp criticism of both parties; Rich identifies as an Independent but typically votes Republican in New York due to economic concerns and lack of viable options on the left.
• Detailed musings on who might lead both party tickets (Rubio, Vance, Newsom, Shapiro, Kamala Harris, etc.), campaign dynamics, and what voters actually want from leaders.

12. American Civil Unrest & Possibility of Revolution (158:39–159:21)

• The “passive aggressive revolution”: what would happen if Americans stopped paying taxes en masse?
• Both prefer mass noncompliance to violent conflict, warning that external actors would exploit a US civil war far more than Americans appreciate.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you f*** up in life, welcome to life. It’s how you own it that matters.” — Andy [08:12]
• “The Internet’s memory is undefeated. Undefeated forever.” — Andy [09:12]
• “You don’t hate the media enough... Even if you’re expunged, the headline is ‘28 Internal Affairs Investigations—bum bum bum.’” — Rich [47:28]
• “We found systemic issues... but no one in charge will be held accountable. It was an accident.” — Rich [23:22]
• “When you’re surrounded by stress, you don’t get it until it’s happening to you.” — Rich [83:50]
• “A 100% graduation rate is a terrible, terrible standard to set in any program.” — Andy [93:37]
• “It’s not about getting people to quit—It’s about getting them to get better.” — Rich [86:57]
• “If you see people dying in the street, legal or not, at the hands of federal officers... it should make you feel bad. The how matters.” — Andy [136:10]
• “I don’t trust AI for something unique. It’s great to synthesize and research, but not to create unique perspective.” — Rich [156:35]
• “You can be the most horrendous trader in the world if what matters is laundering money for the government.” — Andy [30:41]
• “Money is an amplification fire: it makes good people do more good, and if you’re a bent compass…” — Andy [160:26]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:00] Internet controversy, Stolen Valor (Malibu Fitness)
• [15:36] Buffalo Schools investigation/corruption
• [25:01] Policing, public sentiment, complaint process
• [28:40] Epstein files, investigation documents, conspiracies
• [53:49] Taxes, regulations, and Revolutionary War anecdotes
• [80:27] Drill sergeant reality vs. Hollywood
• [99:13] Grief, therapy, and coping after service
• [105:43] Dead Internet theory & bots
• [108:05] Growing YouTube and the social platforms
• [115:00] Media bias and “yellow journalism”
• [136:10] Law enforcement, ICE, and Minnesota shooting
• [148:12] Current/future presidential candidates, political party disillusionment
• [158:39] Passive aggressive revolution and American unrest

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Tone & Style

The episode is raw, irreverent, and laced with humor—often dark, but never mean-spirited. Both Andy and Rich oscillate between service-hardened cynicism and genuine concern for their professions and the country. The language is unfiltered yet thoughtful, with a healthy dose of self-deprecation.

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For Listeners

If you value honest, direct talk about today’s most pressing issues in law enforcement, government, and society—with a hefty serving of gallows humor—this episode delivers. It’s a fly-on-the-wall look at how two experienced, outspoken professionals see the world’s madness, and what they’d do to fix it (or, at the very least, survive it with their sanity intact).

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Transcript

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Okay, I got the red smoke.

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Sun runs north or south west of the smoke. West of the smoke.

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Okay, copy.

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West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Give it to me, I need it. You're clean. Hot campaign cleared hot. And I feel like everybody in their

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policing career, of which I have zero seconds whatsoever, should aim to be a jump out boy at some time.

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So you've got enough to talk on the Internet about policing then? More than enough.

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I do, yeah.

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As a blank. And then tell me what I should do about my job.

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What are your thoughts on the policing you see on the Internet these days?

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You know, I actually just recorded a video. Are we starting? Is this going on now?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Ever since we've been making fun of Michael in a close up on his eyeball.

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Smart as we should. That's a good way to kick off the show. Ridicule the editor. There's like editor.

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That's not assigned role.

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You're not even an editor. No, that's just how we kick off every show.

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What would you, what would your role be? He has the little buttons that he pushes for the camera switching.

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Professional button.

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So he does that. He used to. It started, I would record an entire episode multi camera. I would have to go back and watch my own conversation and cut the camera.

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Those are fun, isn't it? Watching yourself talk about yourself.

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It's horrible.

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It's. I love me some me. I tell you what, I sit down popcorn and watch it two or three times in a row.

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Then I made Michael start doing that. That's how he began. And now the biggest benefit other than he can look things up in real time and completely correct me when I talk out of my ass, which is 72% of the time anyway.

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Jamie Light.

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Yeah, he does the switching. And so at the end of the episode you're actually ready to go. You don't have to go back and spend any other time. Yeah. So the little box he's got.

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So with the buttons, if we like looked at that camera, then looked at that camera, then looked at that camera, he would have to jump to each one. I'm not that good. Damn.

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I was going to say exactly those words, but he knows to be honest. We're teaching him about honesty as if he were a child.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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A lot of people could learn some honesty talk.

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Malibu Fitness. You follow the man, bro.

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What a heartbreak.

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Did you see the video he put up though?

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I did. Where he apologized.

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He did.

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Well, here's my thing with Malibu Fitness. As opposed to other people that do the stolen valor thing. I haven't been following him that long, but his content is not military based. It's just, hey, let's work out. He doesn't bring up his deployments at all as like some sort of attaboy, you know, that normal stolen val. I say normal, normal, normal stolen valor. People do so with him not using it in like such an egregious manner. Even with. I don't know about the excuse, like, people made fun of my face. I just. So I got blown up. I'm like, that sounds like a kind of legitimate, hey, just leave me alone. He's not antagonistic at all.

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Yeah. So I can see how somebody gets there, though, not knowing what to do with that. I think his account went from like 30,000 to 1.3 million in like two months. I, I think it was faster than that. So I, I can get being on the receiving end and being bombarded. What I appreciated is he didn't try to beat around the bush. He didn't use words like, I would like to take unequivocal responsibility for accidentally misspeaking. Today's episode of the podcast is brought to you by Montana Knife Company. What can I tell you about Montana Knife Company that you don't already know? Some of their blades are right here behind me. This is their VF24 dagger, but tactical month was in February. We're going to move on here a little bit. For those who didn't get it from the name, they're made in Montana. The company was founded by Josh Smith, the youngest master blade smith in the history of knives, I think right down the road in Missoula. Their grand opening is actually just under one month from today. I'll be down there with Lee in the helicopter. For anybody who wants to join, go to their website, montanaknifecompany.com you're gonna get all the details there. But what they have coming this month are the tradition knives. March 26th. Let me read this to make sure that I get them correctly. These tradition knives are polished magnacut blades and desert ironwood handles. Five models are coming out. The Blackfoot, Speedgoat, Whitetail MKC Elk Knife, and the Jackstone. I believe they have versions of those, each of those on their website. So you can go and you can check them out. These knives go incredibly fast. My suggestion is to go on there and buy something like a sticker or something of a smaller value before you're trying to get one of these knives on the days that they drop because they go quickly. And I have personally had knives taken out of my cart because I was manually trying to put in my credit card information as opposed to having it saved in their system and being able to just hit buy. So these are great blades. The brand is fantastic. I'm down there all the time. Like I said, I'll be down there for the grand opening. And this month is all about the traditions. Knives, March 26, five blades. Blackfoot speedgoat, whitetail, elk knife and the Jackstone Montana knifecompany.com Back to the show.

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Did somebody do that?

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That sounds very Kim Tenady.

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Oh, Jesus. Right?

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And here's the deal. There's a reason.

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You know what?

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His.

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His bag of grenades are as real as those airsoft rifles.

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People ask me whether or not I ever carried 50 grenades and clear, the answer is no. 51 was the standard.

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Can I. So my first tour in Iraq was fun. I got blown up and we had a lot of fun. I was, I was out doing missions with my civil affairs guys and it was my first tour. I was 18. And we had so much ammo and, and just grenades. We had like in. Our civil affairs company is only like 21, 30 dudes. Yeah. We're opposed to like a line unit. A company's like 200, 160. So we had my team, my four man team loaded up our Humvee with so much, we literally had like 240 crates and like 50 cal ammo cans filled with probably about like 8 grenades. Some smoke, some frag. They all had like tape on it. Because we were also like, we probably won't need this even though we're with line units and like on patrols all the time. Yeah, sure. That's not our like, our M.O. as civil affairs is to take the fight to the troops. Right? Yeah, that's not our main job. Right. But we are embedded with, you know, soft forces sometimes mostly line units, like infantry.

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Yeah.

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And so we were there. We had it. We let the guys that we were on patrol know, hey, if you run low on anything, we got a lot of. And we would also use that to trade. So we had like a. We were on an old air base in Kirkuk, and so we had bunkers. They're like the, the bomb proof bunkers that weren't so bomb proof for some

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had holes in the ceilings.

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Yeah. And that was our. Our like ammo depot. We stored everything and locked it up. And we would, we would use that as trade bait. We'd be like, hey, you infantry guys, you run along on anything like yeah, man. We don't have a Push it across the table. Yeah, man, I need to go here, here, and here in the next, like three or four days.

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See, but that's a real story.

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Yeah.

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That is based in truth.

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And I will say I wasn't the one doing the haggling. I was, I was an idiot. So my team, my team leaders are the one doing the idiots or the, the real stuff. I was doing the idiocy stuff, the, you know, clean the truck. And I did do wheeling and dealing at the motor pool to get my truck done.

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That was, that's part of military life. I mean, we could do an entire episode on how you can use pieces of MREs like commerce.

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My friend Joe, who I'm starting a podcast with actually.

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Yeah, soon you're going to go, you're going to go away from YouTube, from the angry cops also. Why do you have to be angry?

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Passion.

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Passionate cops.

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Passionate cops Sounds a little sexual. So you just go with angry. It does sound, you know, you've got, you've got the emotion, but then you don't have the sexual aggression.

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But people don't want cops to be angry.

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Yeah, they do. Who you want, you want friendly hug? Hugaboo cops?

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Yes.

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Yeah. No, no.

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They're out there in the community.

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I know they are out there handing out hugs. Dude, so much has gone on since the last time we've talked.

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Malibu Fitness is going to be okay, cuz he owned it. And like you said, it wasn't, it wasn't this.

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He wasn't beating you over the, it

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wasn't the foundation of who he was and how he built the platform. He is generally positive. I think it can be something that he can learn from and grow from. There's a. When you, when, when you up in life, welcome to life, everybody. You're going to. Yeah, like there's, there's ups and downs in life. There's bank deposits and there's withdrawals in trust and how you are as a person when you up and you try to talk your way around it, that's how you go to bankrupt with people. If you can just sit there and own it, it's still going to be a withdrawal. But you can minimize the size and you can learn from it and you can grow from it. You can probably go back and end up with more money in your trust equity account. It's when you sit there and you're like, no, I can't use the word lie unintentionally. Like, I can't do it, man. Yeah, I can't get on board with that. And there's a reason why those two particular individuals. Not that Tim is the only person who's gone down that path, but there's a reason why they're being treated differently because he's kind of tried to put his foot back into the social world with a few brands. Burrow, dude, it's the Internet's memory. Undefeated. Undefeated forever.

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Yeah. I don't know how I. I still follow Tim Kennedy. He's got. He's still got tons of followers. Right. And I follow him and it's. I don't know why I do it. There's probably a bunch of reasons rolled up into one. But one of the things that I noticed when I follow Tim is how we talk about Malibu Fitness is probably going to bounce back from this because he wasn't as. He didn't make it his identity. His veteran status was not his identity. Tim's Veteran status was 100. His identity. Yeah. Or military status, because I think he still serves or I get lost in

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the guard stuff, man. You guys use different math and you do like a weekend. It accounts for six years towards your retirement.

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I'm back in the reserves, babe. All right. Back in the reserves. Got the drill hat on. I'm back in the reserves.

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Listen, I also don't understand how reserve time works either. It's just we're the same six weekends a month and then five minutes on the fifth Tuesday of every year and you're retired. I don't understand.

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In the Army National Guard, you can, you know, that's all you need to know. The jingle. Yeah, we need to do that. We just need to bring back the old school 90s commercials unaltered and just play them and that's it. But, yeah, I was looking at Tim Kennedy stuff and the engagement is like, I've got 1.2 million followers, 20 likes, 80 comments.

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Most of those people sitting there waiting for him to try to put the foot back in the arena again. And I. This is such an interesting one for me. I was talking with Greg about it yesterday before we got on air. He. It was so hard for my wife and I because I've spent a bunch of time with him outside of the public spectacle where cameras around. He is a fantastically nice human being.

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Yeah.

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So ridiculously helpful depending on the person, you know, and to me, he always was my data points 1. Right. I don't know other people's experiences, but watched him, you know, literally, like, help people across the street with groceries when there's no cameras out there, you know what I mean? And it wasn't until later on and my wife and I were talking, I realized, oh, I think he was really censored, though, in some of the things that he would or would not say about me. Because a tremendous amount of people have reached out saying, well, what about this story? This is what he told me. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's not even remotely what happened. And I called him before I did an episode. I was just like, hey, man. Like, I'm in a position where I'm getting bombarded and I'm going to answer honestly. And the call didn't go the way I wanted it to go, man. He kind of doubled down. And that's what I think those people are all waiting there for is for him to try to come back in. And until he actually just owns it. Dude, they're just gonna be. It's like the mousetrap is sprung and it's like shaking under tension.

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It's not man waiting and it's whack

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and it's every single time.

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Yeah, it's the.

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Yeah. Malibu's gonna go to Costco, get some protein powder, and he's gonna be good, dude. He's gonna be fine.

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Gonna be fine. Yeah. I didn't have a bad experience with Tim the first time I met him,

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but it was one second time because I feel like there's one in there somewhere based off your facial reaction.

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No, there was. There was a second time. Yeah. But I think those are the only time two times that we've met. And the first time I was just kind of like, I think I have an idea who you are. And then I was just like, cuz it's very simple. I was talking with people that are. Were more important than me. Are more important than me, which is

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everybody in every room.

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Right? But he leaned on me to like, talk to these people next to me for about a minute and a half. And I sat there and I was just like, all right, I could either be upset and push back at this, or I could use this as like a learning experience. Let's learn. Let's see how long he uses me as a piece of furniture before he acknowledges me and says hey or anything. Let's just see. Let's just see how this goes. So he leaned on me for like a minute or so. It was a long time to just lean on a person and not acknowledge the fact that you're like, leaning on them. I was like, okay, okay, I'm not important to you, this person is important. They have a lot of stature. You probably put a lot of people that have stature, you think that can better you around you. If not, you're just gonna poo poo them. Which I'm not gonna say is most people. Right. If you can't help me, if you're gonna hinder me, then I probably won't hang out with you. You know, we build each other up and like the friendship groups that I have. But yeah, if you're like an unknown, you're like, ah, okay. That's how you treat people that you're not sure about. I was like, all right. I think I'm. I think I made up my mind and I kept it to myself. This is the only time I've it.

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But those are good learning lessons, man.

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Yeah, I have.

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I think I'm just now getting it way closer to 50 than 40, to my ability to understand those type of things.

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You look really bad.

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Well, in. Earlier in life, I didn't. I didn't really, I guess maybe have the social awareness or even actually care to recognize that things like that were happening. But I'm definitely more cautious now in my life paying attention to the. Because that's a small, subtle thing that I think a lot of people wouldn't pay attention to. But, yeah, you're getting the answers to the test, right?

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Yeah.

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Why. Why extend it out six more engagements or a month or a year later on down the line? Like, it's smart, for sure. You know what Malibu Fitness needs?

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What does he need?

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He needs.

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Don't say a facelift. He's had too many.

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Oh, no, I was going to say a facial moisturizer sponsor.

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Why is he that forehead.

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Forehead for days. You know what I mean? It's just like slather it on there. People are making fun of him from face. I'm like, bro, lean into that. It's the only face you got. You could do. No, because most of that's lost, right? Because your face, like most of your baldness is on the back side. You'd have to talk like this.

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Yeah, I was. I thought about hair transplants. I had somebody. I had a company messaged me from Turkey.

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Friar Tuck it, dude, that's all you.

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Oh, that's what you should do. Champ Bailey whammy.

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Lean into it.

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Yeah, no, I'll just be bald. You know what I want to do, though, because I am confident enough, is I want to have obvious wigs. I want to have fun wigs, like,

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slightly askew and maybe like, you could Tell that it's just not on properly.

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Oh, no, I mean like talking different hair color.

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Like a ginger wig.

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Yeah, like everything. Like everything. I've got red hair, I've got cornrows, I've got a fro. I've got, you know, I've got the.

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Oh, look at that.

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Saved it, saved it.

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Not a drop, not a drop. Shades are still on the table. Nice.

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Not a drop.

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Oh, man, there is a lot to talk about. When were you last time? About a year ago.

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Yeah, when my Buffalo schools things kicked off.

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Where does that stand? That's actually probably a good place to pick it up.

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So they had an internal investigation where they had a outside law firm come into the school and investigate all sorts of the things that I said.

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Isn't there a problem with that though? If they had destroyed some of the evidence along the way that. I mean, because you can. From my understanding, an investigation is based off the things you can physically find, see, touch and work with.

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Yeah.

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If that doesn't exist because people are like, oh crap, we might get in trouble, that might change the trajectory outcome of an investigation.

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So you are right, that was an issue for some of the things. Like I'll give you an example. Let's say I talk about one situation where there was a 17 and like a 14 year old. We'll say teenage kids basically, and the one male rapes the female in a school by the pool. The DA's office talks to the principal and the principal refuses to come in for a subpoena and writes them a letter. Right. And says, I refuse to come into a subpoena.

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You can do that?

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No, no, but when the, when your district attorney doesn't follow through with, you know, arresting people for not answering a

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summons, I think the Clintons can also do that.

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Oh yeah. Could decide. Yeah.

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Even though I think they both finally had to walk themselves in and answer some questions.

[B]

Oh, no. Answer questions instead of being held accountable. Great. Awesome. So that kind of happened. So in that for that investigation, they're like, we didn't find anything. And well, here's the reason why I didn't find anything. The district attorney's office wouldn't allow them to look inside their files. They wouldn't share their files with them to include the letter that the principal wrote to the district attorney, the assistant district attorney saying, I refused to come in for the subpoena. I did my own investigation, which tanked that investigation actually, because the assault happened. The girl reported it to the principal. The principal was just like, I did my own Investigation. A year later, the girl's friend reports it, like, in some form or fashion. We know about it. It's a year after the fact. There's no video. It hasn't been saved. There's no physical evidence. Now we. You've turned what could have been an actual investigation with hard evidence into a he said, she said, which can work if you interview the person appropriately and they damned themselves or they just outright lie about a lot of things, too. Both are good investigation. You could say that you weren't there, you didn't do anything. But that would go against all of the other additional evidence that I have. So that still works out. We don't have that. Also because juveniles are involved, the Buffalo Police Department's like, we can't share with you any of our files or notes because it's juvenile. Which is strange. Hear me out. Because if this is an investigation involving children at a school, by the schools, and they're now legal representation, why would you be unable or unwilling to share the juvenile information with the entity that is already purview to that? Being a representative. Representative.

[A]

I mean, what you're describing is like, what's the point? You're not going to be able to see anything or do an investigation in any way, shape, or form. So why are we actually playing this charade?

[B]

So disappointed in moments like that, which there were plenty happy that they acknowledged that the investigation found some shortcomings. Not didn't go as hard, you know, as I wanted it to, but still called out some stuff. Some of the things that I didn't like that were a little confusing was we talk about, like, video that isn't there, though the straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I came in. And that's when I broke the story on my buddy's podcast, the Unsub podcast, and then came on here and talked about it was the. There was a guy that tried to abduct two kids at a school.

[A]

Oh, I remember this.

[B]

Yep. And. And the school deleted some of the video or didn't share a portion of the video which showed that there was a second child. So the investigation was all about one kid potentially being abducted when there was two victims. And then it wasn't until like a month or so down the line where somebody sent the video that they had recorded themselves in some form or fashion to the district attorney's office. It was like, hey, there's. There's this angle. You might want it. Well, what did the investigation show? Right from this lawyer coming in and looking at stuff. Well, it showed that there was like the request from this is the lawyer saying this. The request from the DA's office was too vague when they asked for video that showed the instance happening. So instead of giving them all the video of the instance happening, they only gave them most of the video of everything that happened. So let's say there's three cameras in a hallway, right? They gave them two. Well, that third camera had a different angle. The point of having another camera in the hallway which showed that one other kid being a part of the attempted abduction. So they, they said, hey, there's some issues with us, you know, saving video. Which is great because that's been an issue for years. Oh, the camera doesn't work. Oh, that one was off that day. I mean it's intentionally them lying to us. But at least that was acknowledged. The unfortunate part of that specific little part of their investigation into that incident was the district attorney's office writes a letter like it's an email form to the schools and says, you are obstructing my investigation. Obstruction is a charge.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't know if people know that or not. Kind of a big deal, especially coming from the district attorney's office. You're obstructing my investigation by not handing over this video in a timely manner or, or giving me child's names and other information. And the reason why the school was saying we're not giving you these kids information is because of ferpa, which is, it's, it's F, E, R, P, A. And what it is is it protects kids information for being like put out in the public from the schools. But what does it specifically protect is like your grades, your attendance records. You can't go to a school where my kid goes and requests my kids school records. That's what it's about.

[A]

Why would anybody do that in the first place?

[B]

I don't know. We're stalker people, I guess.

[A]

Wanted to know what grade your kid got on like an English test or

[B]

Daddy's a seal and they want to get to daddy because, you know, they're Mossad or whatever.

[A]

Take it easy. Massage. I know, I'm tired.

[B]

You say that also.

[A]

And my children are out of school, so get.

[B]

Yep. So. So yeah, but in the investigation he's like, oh, by the way the word obstruction there. When the district attorney is saying that you're obstructing the investigation intentionally by not giving us the names of these kids because this is criminal investigation. I'm not asking for the report cards, which is literally What? FERPA protects report cards, not criminal. Not information for a criminal investigation. Case in point, there's a school shooter probably going to give up the kid's name of who the potential target is for that school shooting. You know who the. The suspect is. You wouldn't be like, sorry, I can't give that to you, because he's. He's on the roll here. So the investigation was like, well, even though they use the term obstruction, this isn't really like legal obstruction of an investigation. Even though that's 100% what the email said is you are obstructing an investigation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that blew my mind. The other thing that I was happy for, but also disappointed in was their end result of the investigation was we found systemic issues with the reporting process. And A, B, C, and D, all the complaints that I made systemic in the system that we need to change.

[A]

How's that going?

[B]

But we're not going to hold anybody in charge of the system accountable. It was an accident.

[A]

People wonder why trust and faith in institutions just erodes.

[B]

So I. I tried to talk to my shrink. I thought I broke down. I drank a bottle of tequila. I wept. I'm getting emotional, so I wept. I called up a friend. He'd help me out of it.

[A]

What type of tequila?

[B]

Tapatio. Very good. Like the hot sauce.

[A]

Costco? No, liquor store.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I order it online because it's not usually around.

[A]

You can order tequila online. I feel like there's issues in some states getting that stuff.

[B]

I mean, maybe some states, New York, you can't have a firearm, but you can have booze shipped to you. I mean, I can't. Where wouldn't you have booze shipped to you? We had booze shipped to us overseas. Booze, but yeah, aircraft bottles.

[A]

So, like, why does this box labeled as toiletries shake? I don't know. I feel like I've tried to order a bottle of wine and it gives you a list of states where it can come to in some can. I don't know.

[B]

That could be because wine and beer are treated differently than liquor. Right. Which I don't understand.

[A]

Liquor in Montana is a specific store. You can get wine in grocery stores. But liquors controlled, isn't it, Michael?

[B]

Yeah. You have to go to a liquor store.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is like a state for anything other than beer. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

New York has some weird rules.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Snowball fights, all sorts of things, bro.

[B]

I can't. New York City. What the is going on?

[A]

Do you have any homies on the force there. Like, what's morale like there?

[B]

I. You know what? I used to talk to some guys. I don't know anybody there, like, personally. It's like Internet friends who you meet, they tell you something about what's going on. They give you the. The. The dirt on, like, a specific scenario that I'm looking into. But God bless New York City. I don't know, man. Talk about, like a. I know people may feel like 50, 50 with unions. They protect the bad ones, you know, but, like, the people in the union are like, we didn't have them. Like, what if New York City didn't have a police union to protect the officers on their force? I don't think New York City would have, like a. They would have the most corrupt police force ever. You just have dudes that just wouldn't give a. They'll be like, if I get fired tomorrow, whatever. I'll just start moving these boxes with the Mafia. Like, I don't know. That's my two cents. You could probably give me a whole bunch of reasons of why I'm wrong, but the amount of people that had, like, you need to have some sort of security if you're going to be a New York City cop because the city isn't giving it to you.

[A]

I don't understand that dynamic because the city's not going to survive without their services. Even though I. And I think this is mostly an Internet thing, I think it's really hard to formulate an articulate argument about getting rid of law enforcement or defunding the police, because those same people would likely tell you they're going to call 911 if something happens. They're like, the least prepared, competent, current people in their own ability to sustain and maintain life. It's just.

[B]

They just do policing with extra steps. We need to get rid of the police. All right, cool. What do you want to do? We want to have private security. All right. So only the rich can have it. Well, no, we'll. We'll buy the security for the poor.

[A]

That's private. Like, you're just changing words.

[B]

And who are the private police going to be held accountable to? Oh, the corporation. Isn't that what you hate? Commie? Isn't that what you hate? Corporations now running your security who are going to be holding them to themselves instead of the mass public. At least in this way. Whether you say it's broken, I don't think it's broken. At least they're held to the accountability of the local populace. Yeah. At least you can vote on laws and change things. Yeah.

[A]

Did any. So what was the. I know that when you came on, but probably even more so when you first went on sub, people started paying attention to it. What was the local reaction? Because I can't. I mean, as a parent, I would lose my. If my kids were at a school like that. I didn't know about it. An investigation was done, and they're like, yeah, we got all these issues, but, yeah, no one. No one's gonna get held accountable, and we're not going to make any changes. I lose my mind, dude.

[B]

I've, like, I think I said it on the. I said. I think I said it on my buddy's podcast, but I was like, I don't have kids that go to school in the city of Buffalo. Like, I'm gonna have a kid soon. Yay. And he's not gonna kid. Yep. Intense. Very excited. Scared boy crowd. Yep. Dick Jr. I like it. Yeah, I like it. Keeping the name going.

[A]

Richard.

[B]

We're gonna call him Chard. He's Richard.

[A]

So planned.

[B]

God forced. The wife wanted to wait until we were married. Like, officially had the ceremony. Yeah. And I was like, I'm gonna be 38. So I just help that along.

[A]

There's pros and cons, I think, to having kids when you're older.

[B]

Not being able to see them turn 21 is one con.

[A]

No, you'll be in your walker or wheelchair. So you can be there. They can push you around. And I refuse.

[B]

I'll have bionic legs.

[A]

Wipe your face as you're Stephen Hawking out at their graduation ceremony in high school.

[B]

Are there gonna be midget strippers there, too? Stephen Hawking loves midget strippers.

[A]

Well, I think we have to use past tense because I don't believe he's with us anymore.

[B]

His spirit still does. Well, I don't think he believes.

[A]

Did he like midget strippers?

[B]

Yeah, it was in the Epstein thing. He liked dwarves, LPs.

[A]

What did you just say? LPEs.

[B]

LPs. Little people. Yeah.

[A]

I thought you said lpes.

[B]

I'm like, where is this going?

[A]

How much of that stuff do you think is true?

[B]

There's. Of what? Epstein.

[A]

Well, and you would know this because it seems like I would because I was there.

[B]

What are you insinuating?

[A]

Oh, they released. They're releasing investigative documents which are not necessarily verified. They are statements from people that may or may not be true. Whoa.

[B]

My God. That's the most common sense thing I've heard about the Epstein files. Thank you. Yes.

[A]

It's just because Because I could go to a cop and be like, hey, I just got abducted by aliens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I spent my entire time in a handstand with a choke ball. Yeah. And they had a large wiffle ball bat up my ass. Color of the wiffle ball bats are red, obviously.

[B]

Red, of course.

[A]

And so, yeah, that's going to be in an investigative document. That doesn't mean that what I'm saying is true. And I'm also not trying to diminish the horrible things that have happened to people.

[B]

That sounds like actually, that's exactly what you're doing by bringing logical thought into this. How dare you?

[A]

Well, how are people. And this is the issue.

[B]

What happened to the MeToo movement when Epstein's, like, victims came out and people were like, well, not so much.

[A]

Did they come out during the. Me too.

[B]

There was a couple of them. The one blonde girl that, like, said Dershowitz or whatever, his lawyer diddled her, and she was in, like, a whole bunch of photos with Prince Albert, whatever the guy's name is.

[A]

Well, I think there's a couple things that were in play. I don't think I Looking at Epstein like, he was a horrible traitor. And I'm trying to think traitor or

[B]

traitor, because he was trading both.

[A]

But maybe two things can be true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Multiple T's. Trader, though, like, his skyrocketing into the trading world in New York doesn't really make sense. And how he got into the positions that he did and people. Oh, he was an agent, an intelligence asset for the U.S. i'm like, I don't think he was. And this is just Andy's personal thoughts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think he helped move money and launder money for intelligence agencies, which, if you're not worried about the return, you can be the most horrendous trader in the world. Because the reality is you're just trying to take money from maybe a government bucket and put it into a bucket that you can fund intelligence operations.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that's probably likely. Have no evidence to support that, but that makes more sense to me than this. Triple agent Mossad, CIA. Fill in the blank for whoever might have been manipulating him. And he got really wealthy and got around really wealthy people that can have access to anything that they want. And they start getting really weird because.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they have everything already.

[B]

Diddy parties. Yeah.

[A]

And so they start. And I don't think all people are like that, but I. I also can't fathom a world where anything, economically, if you wanted it, it's right there. Like, does that get bored or boring maybe, I don't know, does that. And if you start getting bored, do you start listening to the darkest recesses of your mind and start getting frayed and weird? Maybe. And do those people hang out together? Because maybe. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, probably. Yeah.

[A]

So I think there was some tie to the government. I personally. My guess is that he was helping move money, probably to help the CIA facilitate operations. Because if you think about it, we like the CIA, but every other country in the world, they're a criminal organization.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

All the espionage that they're doing is illegal in that country. And if you really want to shut down the CIA, you would do it through purse strings, not by, like, trying to out all the spies, even though I guess you could do that as well.

[B]

That's why they went after usaid. Like, people don't realize USCID wasn't about, like, actually trying to get transgender.

[A]

Some of it was not the transgender stuff. I agree with you on that one. A lot of USAID I think, was doing some good. But then I personally saw USAID money flowing to places like, bro. What?

[B]

I was. I was. Yeah. As civil affairs. USAID was our purse strings. Yeah. Like, one of the things for. I mean, not like everybody talks about civil affairs, but we have. We held the purse strings of the army because we had usaid. We would go into USAID offices and be like, we need this for a project. Right. And for the most part, a lot of projects are goodwill at how great the Americans treat us. Look at how great these forces that support Americans treat us, you know, and then we have friendship via that angle, too. Right.

[A]

Like, well, what's this line? I'm like, don't worry about that. That's. Who is subcontractor.

[B]

So, yeah, the subcontractor stuff. And that's why I brought up, like, the trans thing is, like, you know, there needs to be more trans propaganda in Iran. Do we really support the trans movement in Iran, or are we using that to destabilize Iran? Yeah. Yes.

[A]

Or it's just a line to confuse people, to draw a ton of attention. While there's several other ones over in this direction.

[B]

Yeah. People carrying about, you know, $24,000 to, like, it was like, Uruguay or something about, like, trans book reading. You're like, you. You think that that was really for that? I think. I think two grand went to trans book reading, and then the other, like, 22. And even then, 22 grand. What are we talking about? We're the United States here.

[A]

I need to See the book. So I, I think there's all of that stuff. So I do think that there was probably a level of him being protected. I mean, the guy got. He got to go and like hang out during the day and sleep in an open prison cell. Like what the. You know what I mean? In Florida. Yeah.

[B]

So I think 100 to.

[A]

He's like on a work release.

[B]

Yeah. It was like he would go there on a Sunday and then like, I think he had to go back home there. I don't think he did. Probably not. I think he showed up during the day and then was released at night and then went to go sleep home.

[A]

I think it was opposite of that.

[B]

Was it?

[A]

I think he was out in the day. Michael Godamn it. I heard you typing. You better. He needs to be ahead of us. But again, why don't you.

[B]

Prison.

[A]

Yes. His. I'm pretty sure he was just out and about during the day and he had to do, you know, sleepover time in jail.

[B]

See, I'm of the mindset. You were like, it's just the money. He's moving it from people to people.

[A]

I think that's what I. That to me makes more sense than him. Than him being Jason Bourne, this ultra secretive trained triple agent.

[B]

No, I don't think he's an agent. I think he's. I think he's the center of a spider web of. And there's a million spider webs out there for the things that you want to get. And he would do that with moving, you know, financials. But then he would also do that with blackmail, which is like the kids

[A]

and I think the government. Probably television. Oh, yes. What do we got here? The closest I can find, Epstein was allowed to spend most days at his West Palm beach office and was able to visit his mansion. That's good. Despite restrictions on home visits. So, yeah, I think he had to go do evenings there and I don't even think they actually closed the door.

[B]

And this was for like him with like kiddos that was like, yeah, yeah,

[A]

this is the, the charge that. And it's odd that he was able to get the charge as low as he was able to get it. And again. So I, I do.

[B]

Well, the district attorney at that time was also like somebody that got brought up in like the India. Either Trump's administration or something else too. Trump fired him. Yeah, this started to come out and Trump was like, wait a second.

[A]

So I think there was some tie. And I do think that some people in the government probably knew his. Whether it's his personal proclivities and probably turned a blind eye to it, which is.

[B]

Oh, you mean the guy that can get you anything and take. And get that money anywhere you need it to go. Yeah. Is. Oh, he's a bad guy. Yeah. But I do need this stuff.

[A]

And then think about it, too. I mean, I never worked at the agency, but. And they probably weren't doing it directly from the agency, but if you look at a guy like, all right, this guy actually is going to be a nuclear bomb that goes off at some point, but he's hanging out with all

[B]

these other people that we need to get involved.

[A]

Now we have a direct point of access via him. And now maybe, yeah, maybe he is taking people to them, but he's bringing all these other people, too. I could see that being the world. So there's that aspect. But then they release 3 million files. How the fuck is somebody supposed to determine again, in an investigatory document where there's some crazy stuff that people were saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And whether or not people want to believe this. There's crazy people out there that will come after you even if they don't know you. I've had some limited experiences that even just hosting a podcast, some of the emails that I get. I've had people come here to, like, do what I don't know what they wanted to do. But the awesome part was, and I'll speak broadly, this person went to the police station to announce that they were here and got arrested on the spot. I'll tell you more about it off air.

[B]

Okay. I haven't had. I've had people message me a bunch of stuff to, like, I'm in Nevada and there's like an issue with my schools here or I'm in the military somewhere and I think I'm being mistreated.

[A]

And I'm like, no, no, this was. You are a member of an international and global.

[B]

Your pizza gate.

[A]

I think so. So that's what this person.

[B]

They tried to pizza get you, it turns out, is a real thing anyway.

[A]

Aspects of it are real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's not at the. In the basement of the pizza parlor in D.C. that doesn't have a basement. And again, this is where.

[B]

This is where people who read into too many things but don't know how to fish through what's real and what's speculative.

[A]

Well, I've talked to some people. I've never been on the dark Web. I'm aware of things like the Onion browser. Yeah.

[B]

Tor.

[A]

The Onion router. And things like that and people who work in that world who target predators will say, be really careful. If you ever go on there with particular search terms. That's one of them.

[B]

Oh, yeah, cheese pizza.

[A]

Exactly. They're like, if you ever want to sleep again at night and you are on the dark web, which I don't even know how to get on, do not ever put that in. So there is legitimacy to where that term comes from.

[B]

I don't think you're going to the dark web for pizza.

[A]

Well, again, they're using a word. Right. Again, it's just another layer of real thinly veiled of what they're up to.

[B]

But is that real?

[A]

Yes. Is that being run by the Illuminati out of the basement of a pizza parlor?

[B]

No, it's being run by a whole bunch of people that have a sick, twisted interest. But can people but look at that sick, twisted interest and say, I can take advantage of those people that are inside of that thing? Sure can. I mean, you didn't have to go to the island to know. Yeah. You know, to be like. Or I should. What am I trying to say? I'm trying to say you could hang out around Epstein in order to use his influence, but be aware of who he is and go, I ain't going on that island. I know what goes on there. But I am going to go to the other parties that aren't on the island.

[A]

Epstein, we're doing that. Yeah, I think a lot of people were doing that. But how was. I mean, again, so there's like boom, bolas. Three million files. There's people's names in there that were probably doing that, a little bit aware, staying away from it. There's people's names in there that were probably deeply involved. And then there's some crazy ass stuff in there that people are taking as gospel. And I think that's super dangerous because like I said, you know better than anybody. In an investigative file, it doesn't have to be verified. You're writing down what somebody is telling you.

[B]

Yeah, but some of these are like emails between, like. But that's a Bill Gates. That's. That's a different flow. Right.

[A]

In a different category.

[B]

Yes. But not every notes are different than physical evidence.

[A]

And so not every accusation in there should be taken as gospel. And people are going through these search terms and just looking for names and like, and some of it's sticky, but it's at the same time like, hey, everybody, not everything in there is real.

[B]

You're in the files, aren't you?

[A]

I don't know what. I don't even think I'm old enough to be in the files. I don't know what I would be in the files for.

[B]

You provided security for Mossad agents as they were moving gold bullion and Wayfair furniture that was named. The same name as.

[A]

We'll see, Children. Be honest with you. I wish I had been, because I would have maybe had a sick couch and some gold bullion, of which I have neither.

[B]

The couch wasn't a couch. The couch was a child. Boom. Come in, boys. Get him. We've got him. 4. Chad worked.

[A]

I mean, there's a lot of people's names that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Files.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I wonder, does the government blast that out in the hopes that it's so much and that people get so confused that they actually can't pay attention to the shit that's in plain sight?

[B]

They can, but here's the great thing about the Internet is you're going to have people that comb through that and then put it in quick, easy little blurbs so you can digest it like that.

[A]

Yeah. And now, do we trust those people?

[B]

Yeah, there's too many of them.

[A]

What if they were a double, Double, triple agent?

[B]

It's the numbers game. Like, you can't have three, you know, 30 million, 300 million, whatever documents out there and then have 20,000 people go through them. And then I believe one out of the 20. No, I'll look at, like, however many. I look at the majority of them. What do they all have a consensus on? These things are very legitimate. Yeah. What are the. What's the weirdo that throws away everything, say. Well, if he throws away everything. But these five points are something he 100% unequivocally says are real. Oh, interesting. And then you've got the other people that say, take everything at face value.

[A]

So I hope there's some level of accountability. It's interesting to watch government leaders in every country, except for the US losing their career. Do you see the picture of. I don't think his name is Prince Andrew anymore. It's like Mount Bottom, Sir Windsor, whatever his name is.

[B]

Mount Bottom.

[A]

What do they call Prince Andrew? It is.

[B]

It's like Mount Baton Windsor or something.

[A]

Yeah. Mounted bottom. Yeah.

[B]

I like Mount Bottom. He's mountain some bottom.

[A]

Have you seen the picture of him in the back of the car when they arrested him?

[B]

I think I did. He's like.

[A]

It was the arrival of the dildo of consequences. And it was.

[B]

Rarely comes lubed.

[A]

Rarely if ever comes lubed. And let's pull it up.

[B]

Michael, let's share this the one you're talking about. Yes. He looks like he's about to yell oh God.

[A]

And then what was his ex wife's name? Ferguson. She's checked herself into an extended state rehab. That's like $17,000 a day out of the country of UK though. And yeah, there's been. Look at that.

[B]

Did he look like Lord Voldemort about to like maybe the kids were his horcruxes. He just read a bunch of Harry Potter.

[A]

That dildo of consequences is into the Shaft.

[B]

I like how he's arrested, but he's still in fine white leather seats in the back of whatever escort he's in.

[A]

I saw an article and I want this to be desperately true, but in this day and age, I take everything with a grain. The title of it was Sir Mountain bottom is destroyed because he can no longer participate in his favorite activity. So I'm clicking on that 100 just based off what I've hear. Take a guess as to what is emotionally in this article allegedly destroying him. He's no longer able to do that. He feels as a is taking away from his quality of life.

[B]

He's no longer. He can't get an erection anymore.

[A]

He can't ride horses through the countryside. We live in different worlds than these people,

[B]

dude. That's. That's on a much smaller scale. That's like one reason why I'm afraid hesitant to stop being a cop or continue to serve even in the reserve aspect as a drill sergeant. Because I'm like, nothing brings you back down to earth like having some fat, uneducated, screaming your face about why you're not doing enough to like arrest her baby daddy that has been beating the out of her for the past 20 years that she never shows up to co work for. There's like, I'm constantly humbled by the job. You know what I mean? So like I can't go. I'm better than all this. I make YouTube video. That does not occur.

[A]

I don't know how you do your job, man. It takes a special personality. You actually are one of the more positive officers that has been at it. Most of them that I know and this isn't negative against them. They have this because of. It's either the repeat customers or what it is they deal with on a daily basis. Yeah, it's not an apathy. It's just their emotional range towards everybody else they're in life with is very, very muted.

[B]

That's why I do Therapy, I have to because I will get. You're a victim of a crime.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I'm an svu, so domestic violence, sexual assault. Right. All that stuff. I have to be.

[A]

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[B]

I don't have to be sympathetic. Maybe sympathetic, I guess not empathetic because I don't have to feel. But I had to be very calm and I have to listen and I have to accept and I can't go. That's. This is the third time you've been here for the same guy in the past eight months. You don't do anything. I can't do that. I can't level the playing field.

[A]

And what would happen if you did?

[B]

I would get complaints. Probably can't have those. The Internet then looks at your police history and says he's had 30 complaints. Yeah, that's. Yeah.

[A]

Is that true?

[B]

Oh, yeah, I got it, dude. I got investigated by the AG's office because I got five complaints in two years, which was like, those are rookie numbers, dude. I've got like 28 complaints, which is like a good amount. It's on the higher end, I guess, for my department.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's because I was a jump out boy. What happens when you're a jump out boy? I'm not going to a 911 call. I'm proactive and looking for trouble. Right. And then when I find trouble, it's usually the same players. And what do they want to do? Well, they want to discredit me and they want to get one over on me. Why? Because they're bad guys.

[A]

Yeah, they know the game too.

[B]

They're the 1% of like the population the United States, where they've accepted that they're a criminal. They're going to live the criminal aspect. They don't care about our laws or what we think of them. So who cares if they're on the news for shooting somebody or selling dope and an overdose kill somebody. They don't care. So. And I don't know if you know this But I look white. So bald. Whiteish looking guy, you know, it's easy to go, he's racist. Yeah. He pulled me over because I'm Spanish. I'm like, okay. In the middle of the night with your dark tints when I'm two blocks away. I knew you were a Spaniard, sir. I said, por favor once to a guy because he wasn't talking to me or looking at me. I was like, identification, por favor? Id, Por favor? And he was like, what? What'd you say? I said, oh, please get your id please. He's like, you said Spanish to me. I'm like, you're. Yeah, you're Spanish. You're Puerto Rican. Racist. So a lot of those complaints are

[A]

that it is wild that those will end up in your record.

[B]

Oh, forever. Forever. Yeah. Even. Even if it says. And this is why you can't hate the media enough. Even though it says in my record, like, oh, he's been expunged of this. This was non.

[A]

Yeah, that's not the headline.

[B]

This was bad.

[A]

No, no, that's the correction several days later.

[B]

Well, not. It's not even. No, it's never even the connect. The correction. They don't. They don't say what was expunged or when it wasn't expunged, but what was, like, proven to be false or that it was completely legal or it's on body cam and this person lied. No, they just go, 28 internal affairs investigations. Bum, bum, bum. Yeah.

[A]

Discredit everything that he says going forward.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you think we'll ever get any level of accountability for the epine stuff? I also heard he's still alive. He's living in a condo in Boca.

[B]

There's so many people that look like him. I mean, I think he's dead. Like, it's kind of hard to kill a guy in a cell, whether a suicide or not.

[A]

And then him cellmate that he was with get away.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

Interesting cellmate. They paired him with Billory Blinton. No, it was like. Michael, can you pull up.

[B]

He had a cellmate.

[A]

Yeah. That he had reported attempted to kill him days before he killed himself. Can you pull up the stats on his cellmate?

[B]

I mean, do you think that Epstein was ever going to say anything?

[A]

I don't know. Let me see here.

[B]

I think the Tartaglion.

[A]

Tartaglioni shared a cell with Epstein in July 20, weeks before his death,

[B]

life in prison for a quadruple homicide.

[A]

Was this, like, an Italian gangster that was his cellmate? Why would you not Put it.

[B]

Well, I don't know, because I'm surprised he wasn't in protective custody in, like, a cell with nothing.

[A]

Well, that's tougher to accidentally kill yourself.

[B]

I'm glad he's dead, but it would have been nice to get some information. If he would have given anything, I don't think he would have said, though. What are you gonna do? You're gonna sit him down with an interrogator, like, day after day after day like we did? It took Saddam Hussein, like, a year and a half to admit that he never had any weapons of mass destruction. He just did it as posturing against Iran and didn't even say all that. I read the book about the. The interviewer that interviewed him for, like, a year and a half, and, like, the end result that came of it was he was like. He said something to the effect of, like, how else would I keep them outside of my border? And then he realized what he said and was like. And shut up again. A year and a half just to get that. So then you'd be like, oh, there are no WMDs. It was just posturing to keep Iran outside of the border.

[A]

I. Man, so you're a guy in those shoes. Let's just say that my hypothesis, which is completely all it is, or conjecture

[B]

about who he is and what he did about Jeffrey.

[A]

Yeah, let's say it was true. What would he have to lose spilling his guts at that point? Like, he's gonna. He's gonna. That's. You're on an egg timer anyway, buddy. You're going into the federal system. You are not gonna live. Yeah, and also, I don't know for sure, but I've heard that because he already had a conviction for, essentially, pedophilia. I've heard they don't get treated particularly well behind the bars. Yeah, but a hierarchy of people they sharpen their teeth on.

[B]

Dude, Ms. 13 is run from inside of prisons. Like, you're telling me that he doesn't have, like, some sort of guy that he's worked with that, like, owns people that are in prison for doing work and they protect him.

[A]

Egyptian sheets. Right. Which maybe that makes a better noose that you tie around your own neck with strangulation marks that have nothing to do with the sheet. I'm just saying, going.

[B]

Nothing like going into Helen style. What? What?

[A]

What? I mean, God, that is a fascinating one. I wonder if he would have spilled his guts.

[B]

You would have had to have somebody that's very technically proficient in interviewing talk

[A]

to him or a Guy who just doesn't care anymore. Like, he knows his run is over. I can think at that point he realized, like, the gig was up.

[B]

No, because even then, he still has power. He still has all the information. He still knows all the points of contact. He still. People still need him more than they need him to shut up.

[A]

And a lot of people really wanted him to keep his mouth shut. So he either needed to die or get removed from that situation.

[B]

He, even though he's locked up, he still has an immense amount of power to move things or talk to people.

[A]

I think what people forget, too, is that let's say my conjecture and hypothesis is real. He's not the only one who does that. There's probably countless other people who are doing exactly the same thing.

[B]

He's the only one that messed up and got caught banging a kid.

[A]

And then you think he's the only one potentially funneling money, including money for intelligence aid? Like, absolutely not. Yeah, there's a full criminal wing somewhere in an investment firm. In my mind, at least in the fictional movie that plays in my head that, yeah, it's one of.

[B]

Can you fly in that movie?

[A]

I would like. With a cape.

[B]

Yeah, you need a cape. You just fly.

[A]

That would be pretty dope.

[B]

Yeah. Pick them up and just, like, drop them and catch them each time.

[A]

That'd be a good way to get the info right. You know, tell you we're a little bit off your game.

[B]

Well, that's why you do it over water, right?

[A]

At that. Depending on the height, it doesn't really matter. Water will have the surface temperature or surface tension of concrete.

[B]

That's true. Yeah, that's true. That's why we always go below. Below that. You know, unless you had a couple cocktails, you're like, I could catch them. Yeah.

[A]

God.

[B]

Chef's gone.

[A]

It is fascinating to me to see other countries holding people accountable. And in this country, it's just like, yeah, whatever.

[B]

You know, when you have this amount of freedom, it is. I don't want to say it's a dangerous amount of freedom, but it kind of is, right?

[A]

Freedom is very dangerous.

[B]

Freedom is extremely dangerous. And when you have the system that we have, where you have this very vast amount of freedom, you will have people use that system, use that freedom to try and entrap other people, you know, limit other people's freedoms while they. While they get more. I'm waiting for, like, the shoe to drop for, like, Civil War 2.0. I don't think it's going to happen during our lifetimes I think there's going to have to be some sort of egregious thing and hopefully the checks and balances, like kind of prevents that. Our right to protest is huge. Right. Pulling people back from politics, you know, and I forget what that term is, where you vote somebody in a recall election. I think those are important. But I, it's, I don't say it's inevitable, but I'm conscious of the fact that at some point there could be a time where the United States ends up in some sort of conflict within itself because people are getting taxed too much and people aren't listening.

[A]

Were you sitting in on the episode yesterday with Craig?

[B]

No. He gets furious with taxation. Brother, I'm in New York State. Are you fucking kidding me? I like the town that I live in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My taxes, because of the home that I own, is $14,000.

[A]

That's annually.

[B]

Yeah, damn.

[A]

It's what we're talking 1200 bucks a month.

[B]

That's, that's not the school taxes. The school taxes are never seven grand. On top of that, 21 grand to live where I live. And I'm telling you I'm thinking about moving because I don't know if I can afford that anymore.

[A]

And you know what's wild? Even if you own that house outright, that tax isn't stopping.

[B]

No, no. It's based on your property and how much it's valued at. So that can go up. Like property tax is insane to me.

[A]

Here's a good one from yesterday. Greg was. You could see veins in his forehead when we started talking about this. Washington state where he lives at his gym. He is 100 grand into some like, permitting process. And his latest hurdle that he has to get over is the proper parking space to shrubbery ratio. Dude, at his gym he has to buy $20,000 worth of like trees and shrubs and what was the flowers? Bougainvilleas or something like that.

[B]

Oh, I'll think about it.

[A]

He was losing his 20,000. He's being forced to spend 20 GS on shrubbery for the parking spot to shrubbery ratio.

[B]

And you want to know who goes for those civil like common council meetings. Like, I'm the head of the common council for the city of such and such. I determine whether or not that permit is losers. Losers. People who don't have their own business that aren't smart enough to create something. And they go, I'll go into politics. Oh, you know what I'll do? I'll sit in front of a bench even though I have Absolutely no experience when it comes to like city planning or construction. And I'll be like, we need to have more bushes. There's a really good clip of some dumb broad in.

[A]

Super sexist.

[B]

Yeah. And in California, I think it's Los Angeles. And she's doing an interview with somebody of some larger media thing like CNN or something like that. And she's talking about there's this company that wants to build a property, Right. And she's like, I can't force them to do A and B, but I can request A, B and C for permitting and I can make them do it in a different way. And what she was basically saying is instead of a five level structure, I'm going to make it three. And I have to make it mixed use. They. It has to be mixed use. And then I have to, I. There has to be a certain amount of parking spaces and there also has to be a certain amount of green space. And what she does is she basically just kills this company's ability to build a new building. And she's bragging about how she can stonewall all this stuff from happening unless they meet her demands. And I'm like, it's almost verbatim. I can stop them from doing it unless they meet these demands.

[A]

Another one from yesterday. When Greg was building his gym, it was a grass lot, but they identified that buttercups grew on his lot which made it a wetland. So they forced him. It was 3,000 square feet. I think they forced him to purchase an additional 3,000 square feet of wetland to that would be preserved forever before they were allowed. He was allowed to build his gym on top of the other wetland area because it was buttercups. He says there's a field of grass that he used to mow on his riding lawnmower. Michael, can you look this up? Because I think people have forgotten this. George Washington came across the Delaware to murder people on Christmas Eve over, I believe, a 3% tax.

[B]

Yeah. Was it Haitian? Haitian merch or Haitian. Yeah.

[A]

What was the tax rate that essentially the Revolutionary War began over, you know, taxation without representation?

[B]

It was like a 1, 1 or 2% tax on tea, sugar. And that's what I'm saying.

[A]

And now we're talking about, like what we're talking about is so far above and Bey anything even remotely like that.

[B]

20%, dude. 20%. Oh, you make over $1 million, we're going to tax that at 30%. What? Do you know how many people make over a million dollars? Not enough for that shit. Yeah.

[A]

And actually what I would imagine is that then what you're going to end up doing is playing in the same tax system that people complain about. Right. If. And I'm all about changing the tax code if we can agree upon that. But also don't bitch to those who are really good at playing inside of the tax code that it is the way that it is. Right.

[B]

Oh, that's why I just want a flat tax fl tax. That's it doesn't matter where you live, whatever. 5%.

[A]

Yeah. One to one and a half percent tax at the time the dude came across the room on Christmas Eve to murder, start a revolutionary war over one and a half percent tax and you're talking 20% tax, 30% over a million dollars. What that does is it makes people either a take the money out of that state or they're never going to make over a million dollars because they're going to hide it inside of the tax. Well, they'll hide it inside of the tax system or they will do exactly what you're saying. They could have growth and they'll say, why? Yeah, why do I want to make. Try to make $3 million so I can have one in my bank account.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'll be the first person to do it. Yeah. There is inequity and people younger in life probably look at that and like why couldn't. What's the big deal about a 30% tax? Like fast forwarding your life two to three decades and you're going to be on the other side of that argument when you're at a place where you're looking to make that much money and maybe you want to reinvest back in the community, but you're going to lose that money via taxes. Which I'd be okay with them raising our taxes if they could show me they were a good steward of our money.

[B]

Oh, oh, you know what?

[A]

That's all it would take. I'd be like, you know what, you are doing a great job. Educational system is fantastic. Infrastructure is great. Our power grid is protected. Communication infrastructure looking good. Cops are well paid. But instead they're like, listen, we can't show you any of that, but we just need some more money and that will be the solution. And you can just right off into the sunset with that mentality.

[B]

I'm tired of the government taking my money and spending it on that I don't use. Where would you go?

[A]

Like, so if you're looking, would you just move to a different.

[B]

Here there's an island that's open it's true.

[A]

This car's got some tunnels and a lot of cameras. But where, like, you know, are you gonna leave New York? Where are you gonna go? Yeah, I think you'd go north, wouldn't you? Across the border.

[B]

Ew. GROSS to like, 60 tax rates. Are you retarded? I don't know.

[A]

It's just an idea. Their Texas.

[B]

Horrible. Their Medicare is balls ugly. Like. Like.

[A]

But would you leave New York? Because then you did leave your job.

[B]

Yeah, I don't want to leave my job. I love Buffalo. The city of Buffalo is cool.

[A]

Can you play with different counties with maybe with the tax rate, or is it kind of just like that? All in New York now, in fact,

[B]

city Buffalo's got low taxes. I shouldn't be saying this, because people move there and they'll ruin it like they do all the other states. Buffalo is a blue city, but it's got. It's got red roots. Yeah. If that makes sense.

[A]

There's a couple. Montana has some blue cities with red roots. Missoula and Bozeman are good examples. They're the college towns.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everybody thinks Montana is, like, you get issued a six shooter and a confederate flag, which is not the case whatsoever.

[B]

Not anymore. And I'm bringing it back with Andy's run for Congress.

[A]

I actually have been hit up for that. I don't. I don't. I wouldn't be against it. I would not want to do that to my family. If it was just the move. No. The running for political office. Like, if you want to try to destroy me and my character, that's fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bring my family into this. I'm out, man.

[B]

Like, they.

[A]

They didn't sign up for that. They didn't deserve that, you know?

[B]

So I'd like to, but it's politics has become so politics. But back to the tax thing. The one thing that pisses me off most about tax is the death tax. Oh, hey, you're dead. You've paid all your tax. You've done everything. You've saved up this lump of money for your family. We're gonna tax the out. That was like 40. It's something.

[A]

Why would you carry your gun?

[B]

Because it's not for me. I'm just saving it up.

[A]

How dare you? Well, and then what again? What do people do to get around that?

[B]

They create LLCs, they create trusts.

[A]

Like, that's why I people about the system. It's like, listen, the system and what people are doing are a byproduct of what you're forcing them into.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I remember being 20 and thinking that a million dollars was the most amount of money that any human being has ever made. And somebody driving a nice car, and your initial first thought is, fuck you. Like, how can you have that? And I don't. And then I grew up a little bit.

[B]

Oh. Mine was always like, I wonder how I can get that. Yeah, get there. How do I get there?

[A]

But then probably for me, too. But at the same time, I was like, I hate you at the same moment. Like, you have something I don't. And I don't understand how you're going to get that. And probably definitely didn't come from hard work. Who's your sugar daddy? Or who you inherit that from? And now I'm like, dude, I totally get it. It's a completely different perspective. I see what they're trying to do. And yeah, it's easy for somebody who is a barista at a coffee shop to say, elon Musk should pay 90% tax because he'll still have $15 trillion or whatever. He has that for that one particular individual. Okay, cool. I guess I can understand that argument. But, dude, it's not the answer. Because giving our government more money hasn't really proven yet.

[B]

Ever. Ever. Income tax was supposed to be. Or income. I think it was. Income tax is supposed to be temporary because of World War I or 2. Yeah. And then they were like, we can still get more money. Let's just play games.

[A]

Like, you want more tax? DoD has to pass an audit.

[B]

It never will, though, because it needs that black money. It needs black money in order to get.

[A]

Have additional tax. Because if they want to play that stupid game, I'm gonna play the stupid game back. Any.

[B]

I mean, you're gonna be a great battalion commander in the revolution.

[A]

I'm retired.

[B]

Yeah, you say that. You're gonna be like. What's it. What's that called?

[A]

I'm gonna be on the 5th Donkey Battalion. I would want to have two donkeys, and I would have a foot on each. And I would stand up with my flag over my shoulder.

[B]

Oh, I like it. It's gonna be like the Patriot. You're just gonna get drugged back into it.

[A]

I don't want to at all.

[B]

It's okay. It's okay. We'll both be brigade command. Would you like that? Would you like.

[A]

I don't know what that means. I don't speak army. I would be. Because that. Like an admiral fleet.

[B]

No, that's not a fleet. Would be like fifth Fleet.

[A]

That's like Brigade multi store.

[B]

It'd be your captain. So brigade would be. It's a full bird for us.

[A]

Oh, six.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's usually like the CEO of a SEAL team. Commanding officer of a SEAL team.

[B]

Yeah, but you wouldn't be in charge of a SEAL team. You would be in charge of, like, more landfilled elements or maybe. Oh, man. You'd be like our maritime commander.

[A]

I want to give land elements, like, move more to the.

[B]

The Gulf of Stump. Do you like that? You like that?

[A]

It's not bad.

[B]

Not. Not bad.

[A]

It's not bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would give land troops naval term. Like, more. Move more starboard.

[B]

Let's to the right. Port is to the left because it has the same number of letters.

[A]

Not everybody would understand. It would be a tactic that the enemy could not handle because it would make no sense whatsoever. It would just be like, were you ever a part.

[B]

Do you remember when the Navy took over africom and after my time, okay, so the Navy took over africom and there was a really big issue with you.

[A]

Do you mean by like, just the senior person was in the Navy or like, the Navy infrastructure rolled in there and, like, took over the hq?

[B]

I believe the naval infrastructure took over, oh, interest Africa for a short period of time. It's one or the other. But I'm pretty sure that naval infrastructure took over AFRICOM for a while, at least in the Horn of Africa. And there's a really big issue with, like, we use. Oh, my gosh. With the mgrs military grid system.

[A]

Military grid reference system.

[B]

Yeah. So we didn't use that. And you guys would use, like, different mapping systems.

[A]

Never.

[B]

And sometimes that would, like, not mesh.

[A]

No, it's MGRS. And then what's the data?

[B]

Somebody likes 84. Somebody lied to me. Somebody lied to me and said that, like, the Navy was really up, especially when it came to, like, grid coordinates.

[A]

And you leave it because you're in the army and you just didn't want to believe.

[B]

I psyoped an entire country of soldiers that were in Iraq to thinking that we were going to paint our desert camo humvees, the blue grid pattern on our ECUs.

[A]

That would be pretty dope.

[B]

I did that. Me and my friend did that. We spread that rumor all over. And then it came back to us, like, six or eight months later through, like, not our people. And they were like, hey, a couple months.

[A]

That's an interesting thought exercise. Let's have people who are working on gray naval vessels in the ocean in a combination of blue and black camouflage. So if they fall overboard the odds of seeing them are less than zero.

[B]

Did you know that if they're. Some of them, their uniforms hit water, they would turn like orange or something so you could see it.

[A]

You know that's a lie, right?

[B]

Yeah. And I was gonna be like, how do they wash it? Like, so what happens when they wash it? They just like it loses it after like one wash cold water. Oh, so you get a hot water wash it. That way when you fall in the cold water, then the dye comes out.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I remember when they went to those. That uniform, I was thinking, I mean, first of all, I was never on a ship, so it didn't really impact.

[B]

Why did we change? Why did all branches decide we want to get our own camo now? We all used to have woodland camo. My fantastic hoodie that you saw me walk in with, that was.

[A]

That was what I got issued when I first got in. Spectacular. Yeah. Chocolate chips. I don't know.

[B]

That's not chocolate chip.

[A]

No, that's Otsuko woodland. Sorry. Yeah. Chocolate chip. Or the desert of that era as well.

[B]

Correct. I.

[A]

That is a good question.

[B]

Why did they do that?

[A]

Kashish, September is an interesting month in the government.

[B]

Yeah. We gotta hurry up and spend this money. We'll never get it back. That's not how it works.

[A]

It's not how it works, but I've never seen that tested, dude. I've never seen it tested because September, when I was a supplier, the Marine

[B]

Corps passes its audit every year. Did you know that the Marine Corps is the only branch in the DoD DoW that has passed audits?

[A]

Really?

[B]

They spend around, say, pass audits, but they spend less money than they're allotted for, like the past several years. The Marine Corps does not have that issue.

[A]

Yeah, but the Marine Corps doesn't mess around though, either.

[B]

Correct. Wouldn't it be great if like, like none of us messed around?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Would it be great?

[A]

Think that's what we are? I think that's what we owe the citizens of this country, specifically, since we're taking so much of their goddamn money.

[B]

Yeah. Or their kids and putting them through basic training. Dude, when Hexef said, I'm gonna allow drills hard to put hands on troops again. You're not beat the out of the troops. But grab and shake them, shove them, throw them.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I was like, some people never stopped.

[A]

What are your thoughts on changing it from DoD to Do?

[B]

I like it. I mean, it's a name change, but I. I think the name change is important because it kind of sets like your Attitude. Yeah, right. I know it's a dumb old, like, general or your battalion commander that comes in. I don't know. Talent commander is for you. But, you know, they're like, we need. We need a slogan, and we're going to stand by the slogan of the unit. Right. Because that's. That's the. That's the mindset, the morale of the.

[A]

Oh, I don't think we were allowed to have slogan slogans.

[B]

Didn't have, like a slogan like a. Like a team slogan, like Kill Them all or Rasputin? I don't know. No, you have, like, nicknames for your group at. You were just all first and second seal.

[A]

No, like, at the platoon level, I guess maybe you could do like a hat or a T shirt for, like, the 16 guys.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I'm not saying, like, each platoon had its own nickname, but you would have.

[A]

No, but at our level, that's what it was. I'm talking. So for us, platoon at a. A, it was an operational element. At a SEAL team, you'd have probably eight. At a SEAL team, and it's like 16 guys. So they could be like. Or Jocko, be a good example. Task Unit Bruiser. That. That actually is one of the only nicknames for an element that I'm really even aware of.

[B]

But is unit just that one team of 16 dudes, or is unit like a combination?

[A]

Like, it'd be like Seal Team 3. Everybody. You just assigned a Seal Team 3 or Seal Team 1.

[B]

Whatever. Either way, I feel like Department of War kind of sets the mindset that defense is the National Guard. That's what you're there for guarding. Yeah, Department of War is exactly that. Hey, we're war. Why are the Navy seals worried about defense of military structures? We should be worried about offense. I mean, we should obviously be thinking about both. But the capabilities of the Department of Defense, which. I don't even know when it changed its name, but it's always.

[A]

It's been this year or last year. Right. 20, 25.

[B]

No, I mean when it changed from Department of War to Department.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know either.

[B]

Get on that. Yeah.

[A]

When did it go? Because it originally was the dow, then it went to the DOD and then back.

[B]

Correct. Because the Eisenhower building. Very up in dow.

[A]

Yeah, people have been very up in arms about it. I can't really.

[B]

It's so aggressive. Yeah, we don't. Why. I didn't really. Well, we kill people. Like, that's the point of it. That's what war. That's what combat is.

[A]

Yeah, I couldn't really find any reason to get emotionally attached to it either way.

[B]

I was like 1949.

[A]

What time?

[B]

1949. So after World War II. Yeah.

[A]

After the UN and the Deuce, what would your civil affairs job been in the Deuce? Crawling through plunging machine gun fire in minefields?

[B]

No. Probably would have been pretty similar to what I'm doing. What I did was probably a small team, four man team attached to an infantry element, like a battalion size element and then trying to win over the local populace and bring in passive intelligence gathering about like Nazi stuff. So that would work really well in like France where you had like a counter. Where you had an insert. I guess you would say it's an insurgency to fighting against the Germans. We work really closely with that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

See where they needed assistance and see where they would need backing and then, you know, take that information and pass it up the chain of command to not just line units, but also soft forces. We didn't have any at the Rangers back then, but there was no real soft element. You just kind of had the beginnings, you know, a group of dudes which I kind of love and miss. Like Just here's a group of dudes, you know, I want to talk about.

[A]

No.

[B]

20 years. 20 years of war. Gwat. Right.

[A]

So I've been told.

[B]

Where are the battlefield commissions?

[A]

I'm not aware of any.

[B]

Zero. I can't think of a single one. You're telling me an E6 that like did some awesome wasn't like, yo, battlefield commission, you rock. You've got it. What's going on, Lieutenant? We'll get you to OCS later on, but you're a leader of men. Where the did that happen? Now you got to be a part of like the. The rich boy club and you have to start as an officer or I'm gonna make the decision for myself and choose to go. Being up, you can't just have a good NCO or officer above you and say this guy's a hot troop, let's get him promoted.

[A]

I think we had had more people in the military or more entrenched officer structure back then.

[B]

And that's why in the g. What I mean, I just think of it as like a capability thing. You are more cape. You are more capable than other people I've seen around you. You should be in a leadership position even if the good old boy system is gone.

[A]

Michael, look up if battlefield commissions are still possible in the modern military that have been pretty dope. Yeah, I feel like it wasn't used Because I feel like the officer corps was more staffed in the G. What? To be honest.

[B]

Which is another issue.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think somebody cooks in the kitchen. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if they would like to be described in that way. Formal battlefield commissions are extremely rare in modern US Military compared to the Deuce or Korea. No major incidents instances since Vietnam.

[B]

But we reinstated battlefield promotions.

[A]

So it says in extreme circumstances. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, for. But. But that was for sergeant. That's for enlisted men. Battlefield promotions still happen. But that's a weird one.

[A]

In the army. Aren't there like three different versions of E4?

[B]

That used to be it. So specialists used to be kind of like a warrant officer. Yeah. Where you were in a specific field and you could be like a Spec 7, which is basically like an E7, but with specialist rank and like four or five stripes above it. Yeah. But they got rid of the spec. Whatever it was. And they made them. They made those positions warrant officer positions.

[A]

So the field commission to second lieutenant tenant, which. That's a gold bar.

[B]

Right.

[A]

In the army, that would be an ensign in the Navy allows for battlefield promotions for enlisted soldiers. E1 to E5. Interesting. There's. It excludes E6 to E9. Probably because they're already in a leadership position or considered to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Soldier must typically be in a combat zone serving in a high demand position like the 2 IC or second in command or platoon sergeant and show extraordinary performance. Green to gold, which is the alternate program which you kind of mentioned. But that's that person's choice if they choose to go through that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The modern military avoids this practice because they prefer officers to have formal training. I became an officer at the 12 year mark. I received no additional formal training. I went from.

[B]

Oh, I thought you were always enlisted.

[A]

I did 12 years enlisted, five years as an officer.

[B]

Gross. How'd you like that?

[A]

It was amazing because I understood how the system worked. Huh.

[B]

Interesting. So more I would say that's. That's an argument for battlefield commissions.

[A]

I have zero college. I went from being an E6 to an O1.

[B]

Oh, so you weren't. Which sounds perfect to me. You don't need college to be a good leader in the military.

[A]

How dare you. You can refer to me as sir

[B]

if you like, but Brother, I'm an E6 with 21 years in. Yeah. I don't play that. I got. I got scolded by an E7. I was like, hey, what's up? And I just said their last name. Yeah. And they were like, what'd you say? I was like. I said, good morning. They're like, what? I was like, then I said their last name. They're like. Like, sergeant so. And so I was like, okay, this

[A]

was in mixed company or in private?

[B]

No, this was one on one.

[A]

Just.

[B]

Just passing the person. And I was like, cool. Gave you the greeting of the day. We're one rank away from each other. You're at E7. I'm an E6. Like, shut the up.

[A]

I used to, like, when I was an ensign saluting other ensign to make him uncomfortable.

[B]

We had a. We had a Navy JG Deluzio who came with us my second tour, and he was a ring knocker, if I'm

[A]

not mistaken, which means an Academy grad.

[B]

Yep. And to get attached to Civil affairs unit was a big deal back then. I don't. It wasn't like. I don't think it was anything that the Navy was, like, fighting for, but when you're attached to a land unit, the army, as a naval officer, it's obviously a big deal. And so he was like, one of the top, like, five JGs in, like, the Navy. And so he gets attached to us, and he's got an E7 with him and a bomb navy corpsman. And the E7, the chief and the JG were very pomp and circumstance Navy guys. I'm almost. I'm a chief in the Navy. I'm an officer in the Navy. And you come onto the ground forces with U.S. reservists at that, who've been there before and done the thing. And so what ended up happening, there was like a little bit of a learning curve there where they were like.

[A]

I think you mean wheels of the. The gears flying off.

[B]

So. No, we controlled it pretty well.

[A]

I'm not saying the wheel was destroyed. I'm saying it was reshapen.

[B]

And there was some grinding. Yeah. But, you know, we lubed it up and then we made it work. So there was. There was an issue with, like, you know, customs and courtesies. And one of them was saluting that naval chief, you know, was like, you know, stand up pretty, rest. We're like, you know, listen, you're in the headquarters element of this. You're. You're actually taking care of the line unit guys, so. Or the guys that are going on. On missions. You might want to. Eddie's that tone real quick there. E7. All right. Because E7s and E6s here are the same thing. It's like the Navy and the JG was, you know, a little uptight because Naval guy. So he wanted to be saluted and had the product for customs and courtesies allotted to him. So for a week when we would go to ciao, we would separate ourselves by ten or more paces and we would. And everybody forcing him to salute us each time of course. Good morning. Good morning sir. Good morning sir. Good morning sir. Until his arm got tired. And the other thing we would do is. Well, civil affairs and psyops work together. Our schools, our training is this. We train with one another in our advanced individual training on brag. And although we go to our different classes, we're trained together. And there's a lot of overlap especially with like intelligence gathering. You're trying to get people to think the way that you want them to think and move them in a direction. And one of the things is like public perspective. You know, we're very aware of like what, what does the outside look at this individual incident. And what my buddy would do is let's say that you're the JG that he's talking to and he'd be sitting here talking to you, you know, palm up, back and forth. And like somebody would like 30 yards would come out of the building and start like walking around is he would just get down in the push up position. One, sir. Two, sir. So that every time there was like anybody like 50ft, 100ft, like why is that? Why is that Navy dude dropping an army sergeant nco? What is going on? So it made him look bad.

[A]

It's just a self correcting ecosystem.

[B]

Yeah. So we did that.

[A]

I mean let's be honest. The number one lieutenant JG in the Navy is a direct analogy to winning a gold medal at the Special Olympics. Yeah, man, it's awesome. But just different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I mean no disrespect to either party associated in that.

[B]

Yeah. Don't talk about the special. These community.

[A]

I don't mean to associate those amazingly happy special Olympic athletes with. Yeah, you gotta denigrate them by associating them with the number one lieutenant JG, the O2 that has been in the Navy the longest or considers himself to be the best.

[B]

The number 1:02. Yeah. 01 02.

[A]

It was helpful, man, having that 12 years of experience and hopping over at E6. You really, it's really hard for people to. You.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

And you can just sit there. You don't have to say much because you can just sit there and listen. And then afterwards you're like no, no, no. Yes, yes. Moving on.

[B]

Yeah. My favorite thing is I have, I Kind of. I don't want to say I wear my emotions on my sleeve. You do? Okay. Thank you. But I've got, like, a rubber face. Like, I emote. And sometimes it's intentionally. I don't have to say anything. I could just go, yeah. You know? And that look right there is. Are you sure about that? Yeah. Yeah. Are you sure about that? And some people will go, I'm not sure about that. They'll pull back.

[A]

That's the move.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially if the person has more experience than you, and especially if they're doing that to you. Maybe right before you make a complete and utter ass of yourself and just whip your dick out and step all over it. And not literally, obviously. That would be hot. Horrible. That would be tough to deal with.

[B]

Yeah. You really gotta wash it. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, man. How long are you. Are you going to be able to do the reserve thing?

[B]

I might pick up seven this year. There's a rumor that I might have got it.

[A]

Does that mean you'll be prohibited from doing your current job?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. It's just an up in rank. I'm already in my. My drill sergeant unit. In my company of a dozen or so drill sergeants. I'm the senior drill sergeant, which is odd considering that I'm an E6. That's an E7 position. And we just had two E7s come in from different units that are now like, hey, I moved to the area. I'm continuing my service as a drill sergeant. I have to go to this unit. So we got, like, two E7s there that I'm. I'm in charge of as the senior drill sergeant. So it's a little weird. If I get the seven, which I hope I do, then it would be more appropriate that I'm now leading E7s. Yeah. You know, and, you know.

[A]

Yeah. You have positional authority over them.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

What do you think people get wrong about drill sergeants? There's a lot of misconceptions, mostly probably formulated around Full Metal Jack.

[B]

Second.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

What do you mean? So I. I. I don't know. I don't say because I'm a good drill sergeant, but because I am a drill sergeant in the way that I have been.

[A]

In your face. Physical punishment. And there's a. That's a broad word anyway. People. People would even say being yelled at as physical punishment because words are violence.

[B]

I blow my voice out every time I go down on the trail. Like, every time I go down on the trail, I blow my voice out. Just. It just Happens. I. Yeah, I try not. There's, like. There's different strategies. Right. And you can change up the strategy from one day to the next if you want, but you do need some consistency. One of the strategies is you could be the kill hat, which I've always kind of been. And that's the bad guy. Always the bad guy. Always the disciplinarian. Any small infraction, and everybody's paying for it, period. You know, which you need, because then they start fixing each other, and if they don't, well, then they just get strong together. Yeah. You know, but there's a sense of unity where.

[A]

Call that a win win.

[B]

Right Where I'm the bad guy. Right. Where I'm okay with being the bad guy and the bane of their existence. And you could do that in different ways. You could be loud, which I've been, where you're the loud screamer and you're pointing everything out. You could be the quiet guy that goes, oh, okay. Friendly. Rush position.

[A]

Move.

[B]

Sweet.

[A]

The remainder of your life.

[B]

Go run up that hill. Come on back. That's good enough. Or. And this is. This is unique to me is like the weird, sadistic one where I will be extremely sarcastic and demeaning in my tone, like, oh, oh, but you're just doing what you want to do, right?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Hey, everybody. Private Brown wants to do what he wants to do. Good job. Good job, Private Brown.

[A]

You're not gonna know how to deal with that.

[B]

Oh, they. They break. I did that last time on the trail. I got really sarcastic because there was a lot of attitudes down there.

[A]

What is this on the trail?

[B]

That.

[A]

So it's basically the Oregon Trail, where you have to ford the river.

[B]

Some people do dive dysentery. Yeah.

[A]

Let me tell you who doesn't get that reference.

[B]

I actually do get that reference. Shut up, Boomer.

[A]

You play Oregon Trail?

[B]

I never played it, but I know what it is.

[A]

That's shocking. Kids never seen the Boondock Saints.

[B]

Oh, that's. That's cinema. That's a pro movie.

[A]

Finally watched Terminator 1 after I referenced it as a potential future documentary enough times. He's like, oh, yeah, I went and watched it.

[B]

It's all right. I prefer to's where it's at. I haven't seen two. I just thought one was okay. It wasn't like anything. It sets. It sets the world for two, which I think. Yeah, pummels it. We'll have to watch two now.

[A]

Yeah, you should. So anyway, you're on the trail, the Oregon Trail, fording The river dysentery.

[B]

Two oxen by broken axle. And the trail is basic training. It's called the trail.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

As a nickname because basic training used to be a circular. Used to be a circle. You'd start at one point in a trail that was beaten down from all the previous graduating classes. And you would go from one spot to the other, camping outside until you usually would go around the post or an area of the post, and then you would end where you began. But once you've circled back at the end of the trail, you'd graduate. Basic training is this.

[A]

But you're like meeting the kids on the school bus type stuff?

[B]

Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes it's pickup day. I've done pickup days.

[A]

How's that?

[B]

I try to make it as intense as I can.

[A]

Is it just eyes wide open from those kids or in the air of information, do they kind of have a little bit of a better idea what they're getting into?

[B]

So. No, there's always. You can always, like, watch a movie and get it, but you don't really get the stress until you're surrounded by it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Until you're dipped in. Yeah.

[A]

Until Mr. High is in their face.

[B]

Yeah. You know, until, like, you're in Buzz. You're like, oh, my God, this water is so cold.

[A]

It is really different watching people lay in cold water as opposed to laying in cold water yourself. It is a different experience.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I wish there was a correspondence force for buds. You know, maybe just laptop training.

[B]

There used to be a correspondence course for being drill sergeants in the reserves. You would go to, like, a post I you not. You'd go to. It take like two and a half years to complete. But you'd go to a post like one month or one weekend a month or a week. 1. So you. A certain amount of days a month. Yeah, but you'd go a certain amount of days a month and you would like, slowly but surely, like, graduate drill sergeant school in, like, two years. Very strange. Wow.

[A]

So day one, basic trading. What do they. Do they get off the bus? Do they have, like, painted footprints on the ground?

[B]

No, we're not the Marines. You just get off the bus and then.

[A]

Actually isn't usually One of the DI's getting on the bus with you before you get off?

[B]

No, I thought.

[A]

I swear, I've seen videos of people in the front of the bus yelling.

[B]

So when you go on the bus sometimes and tell them, give them direction. Right. There's always. There's always a direction being given. So that's Usually what happens, they'll get shipped over in cattle cars. And then you have like a troll sergeant go and say, this is what you're gonna do. You're gonna get off the bus. You're gonna grab your bag and you're gonna go form up in that area right there. Get off my bus. And then they get off the bus. Usually not fast enough.

[A]

Yeah. Into just chaos.

[B]

And I'm just there to motivate. I'm just there to motivate.

[A]

And I aspire.

[B]

Perhaps times. Yes. And I have a unique battle cry.

[A]

I'm sure that you do.

[B]

It's very high pitched. And yeah, I'll do it. So I'll. I'll be like yelling at somebody and I'll be like, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. And then I'll just go.

[A]

And then.

[B]

Yeah. And it echoes. It reverberates. And I could do that for hours.

[A]

How long do you think it would take you to break, Michael? Yes, Michelle?

[B]

So the thing with breaking somebody, right?

[A]

Let's give you the stats.

[B]

They have to have buy in. So it's. If you're just there until you decide to give up. I mean, that's. That's fast. If you're there and like. And I've said this to troops. I'd be like, you've got a bonus. You're getting school loans paid off. I go, you've got medical for your family back at home. I own you. That's how much. I own you. Because Uncle Sam and take it all back. And you'll be. Because you'll never get a job. Oh, I. I laid it.

[A]

We can get him into that situation. We'll have him sign some paperwork. He'll work for free for half a decade.

[B]

I said that to a kid one time.

[A]

Here's the stats, right? 23, 26, 23. Perfect. Won't talk to women now. I don't think he's an incel. Perhaps maybe working his way towards it.

[B]

Definitely. It's a porn addiction.

[A]

I know. And I think he uses that computer which is somehow tied to my account.

[B]

Uses his VR headset.

[A]

Yeah. Physically. C minus. He's been sick for a month. Cough due to cold, can't get over it. Aggressiveness. C minus.

[B]

See, I don't.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's. People ask me that. It's. You know what? This is the first time I've ever kind of had this thought in my head is people ask me, like, how fast can you get them to quit? And I've never tried to get people to quit. I've tried to get them to get better. You know what I mean? I'm motivating you to an end state. I'm not motivating you to quit. There are people that I know don't belong long, and I have pushed them harder to change, but not necessarily quit. I will say that I did get two kids. Oh, you'll like this story. So it's. I don't know. I've been. I've been a drill sergeant for a while at this point, and there were just two turds that weren't trying, and they were a cancer, and they were starting to, like, their mindset was leeching into a whole bunch of other people's y. And so were like, the second weekend to basic training of 8, 10.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And we go to this medical portion of training where the medics take over and the drill starts. Really just kind of their babysitting, right? The medics take over. They give them all this medical training. We're there to make sure they don't fall asleep. So, like, the other drill starts to, like, go and get shit done while a handful stay and watch them. And during this time, they let me stay and watch them, and I was like, yeah, get out of here. Go to your thing. I've been a drill sergeant for, like, I'm teen years at this point.

[A]

Point.

[B]

Go to your thing. I got it. If you want to leave an active duty guy here because you don't trust me, that's fine. I go. But give me a new guy or somebody that needs to see how gets down there, okay? So there's like, three or four other drill sergeants with me that are younger, don't have the experience that I do. And these two turds come up and they've beens. And I'm like, now's my time. Now's my time. So I bring them over for one reason or the other. They came to my attention. I was like. Brought them over. I was like, here's the deal. Guys like you don't. You don't want to be here. I get that. All right? I see how you're acting. You're not changing. And I'm talking very kind, very calm like this. You're not really changing. Oh, here's the deal. If you want to go home, we can facilitate that. I go, it'll be faster than you graduating basic training. That is the lie. That is 100 a lie. Which I was very excited to tell them that lie because I knew their life would be longer and miserable if they quit. Yeah. Which they deserve. They absolutely deserve. So my like, it'll be sure we'll get you out of here within a couple weeks. It won't be that long. You'll be fast paced, fast tracked on to get out of here. I go. But this is what you have to do. I go. There are certain elements of training that you have to pass, and if you don't pass them or you refuse to. It's called refusal of training. Training. Can I train you if you refuse to train? No. Can you pass basic training if you refuse to train? No. Drill sergeant. I was like, all right, so if you don't want to be here, don't take this test. And then I'll ask you if you want to take the test, and you'll say no, and. And I'll give you the options. I'll even tell you, I'll give you a direct order to take the test. But if you don't take that test for medical training, you know, where do you put a tourniquet? Not on the neck. Then we'll have to start your paperwork and chapter. You have the military. You could be home probably soon. Okay, so the two of them, it's time to test. Test taking time. Where do you. Where do you not put a tourniquet? What do you want? What do you want? Trini, come over here. Talk to me. Him and his buddy. We don't want to take this test. I go train. You have to take the test. We don't want to take this test. I go train. Are you refusing to take this test? Yes. All right. I order you to take that test. Pray you have to take that test in order to continue to train. So I refuse to take that test. All right, you refuse. You're refusing to train. Training. Is that what you're telling me? Yes. Or sorry, I need you to tell me, are you refusing to train right now when I'm telling you, do you need to take that test? Yes. Real start. I'll refuse to drink. Okay, I want you to go sit down. We'll talk about this afterwards. We go back to the. The drill side center with me are like, what the did you just do, dude? What we have, like, at their minds were because they were altered by my, you know, officers, literally. The company commander are like, we need to get these guys to train. We have to get them to graduate. We want high graduation numbers, 100 pass rate. And I'm like, now, that's not basic training. Basic training isn't about a high percentage of pass rating. It's. Do you Belong here and can you change, or is that impossible? Right? So I'm like, okay. So they're all looking at me like, dude, we're supposed to pass people. How did you get. You got these two people quit. Holy. That's two losses on the same. And I'm like, that's okay. Okay. Don't worry. So, you know, the trainees are looking around. They're like, oh, my God. Talk to the drill sergeant. Quit. We go back to the company area. Senior drill sergeant of the entire company. E7, getting ready to get that E8 rank right. Be a first sergeant somewhere in charge, troops. Furious fury is a. That is. That is as heavy. Oh, he was so above furious. What the. Comes over, right? Suck it. Put down. Get out the bleacher. Second platoon gets on the bleachers, right? The other platoon. I think it might have been the whole company, but. I know, I know, I know. Second platoon was there 100. It could. I think it might have been the whole company. And the other two trainees aren't there. Oh, no, they are there. And he's just like, stand up. Stand up over there. They're on the side because the medics told him they refused to train. They refuse to take the test. So I'm sitting there, like, leaned up against the wall, just watching this E7BE rate at a level of rage. It's very few times I've seen this level of rage. He's like, you gotta fucking quit. You're not gonna. You're not gonna train. You. You have the balls to say you refuse to train. You think you're gonna go home? You're not going fucking home. You're day one restarting with Bravo Company next door. Day one restart, and you will keep restarting until you fucking pass. There's a minimum of three times that we will restart you. A minimum. The two kids are, like, crying, and they're looking over at me. The entire group that is sitting up that. My senior drill sergeant is, like, screaming at all of the trainees. Just look over at me, petrified, Knowing that I told these kids to quit and it's okay to quit. And I'm sitting there just, like, grinning. Just this huge grid. And just like the drill started to hit. I just, like, yeah, yeah. Oh, petrified. And those kids got, you know, kicked out of the company. Day one restart somewhere else. And our. And our entire company got to watch them get day one restart with the kids coming off the bus just like they did but two weeks ago. And then we tell you what. What a great Attitude change.

[A]

Sometimes you kill a fly with a hammer, not because it makes it more dead. And so the other flies pay attention.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Did they make it through?

[B]

I don't give a. I don't know. I don't know. No idea. But that is one of the most.100

[A]

graduation rate is a terrible, terrible standard to set in any program.

[B]

Program, Absolutely. What's. Why, Like I said that intentionally, like that was an officer problem. We want our numbers to look good. Our numbers need to look good. 100% pass. Right? We need to get them to pass.

[A]

So stupid.

[B]

How many times do I have to negatively counsel a troop? Ten times before the company commander will, like, go. No, three. We'll go, all right, I'm gonna counsel them now, and I'm gonna counsel him three more times. And then maybe. Maybe we'll kick him, you know, to another. Like, come on. Yeah. Where's the trust here?

[A]

How long do you think you could keep doing that job if you wanted to? Indefinitely.

[B]

Until I can't run anymore.

[A]

Okay. Because you gotta run with him.

[B]

Well, I have to take a PT test every year. Yeah. Strength isn't my issue. You know, running is. I don't run very well. I run poorly. You know, I pass. I have no problem with passing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's just. I don't like it. I don't. I don't like to do it. And eventually one day it'll catch up to me where my minimum training standard for running is. You know, they're going to be like,

[A]

hey, you got some Runway in front of you.

[B]

You're going to be able. Yeah. Yeah. Peptides.

[A]

Yeah. Peptides are an interesting one, man. Today's episode is sponsored by Better Help. For those of you that didn't know, March includes International Women's Day. And I think we should all take a moment to celebrate women, everything that they carry at work, in relationships and families, and in the many roles that they hold every day. Very often, women find themselves in caretaker roles, specifically with young children and also depending on the type of husband.

[B]

Right.

[A]

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[B]

Works for me.

[A]

What are you taking?

[B]

So I took the Wolverine stack, which is. I don't know the names for all of it.

[A]

C157TB500.

[B]

There you go. And then there's this thing that's like the Ferrari of it that like cuts down like belly fat.

[A]

Anavar.

[B]

No.

[A]

Menstrual.

[B]

No, it's a peptide. I would, I wouldn't mind taking steroids, but I, I have you asked them

[A]

if they identify as a peptide?

[B]

Good call.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

But I got a. My right knee belly fat one.

[A]

Are you talking like a glp?

[B]

It's called like. It's called like Vera to something or Tessa. Tessamora something.

[A]

Tess Morlin.

[B]

I think that's it.

[A]

Can you look that up? I think I've heard that name, but I don't know necessarily.

[B]

It's like belly fat and I think it helps like boost testosterone naturally or something like that. Sir. Morland. Testimorelin.

[A]

There you go. Pull that stuff that sucker up.

[B]

So I took those three because I jacked up my knee. I popped it out of socket when I was chasing down a guy on a dirt bike. And the job. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Dude, they have a picture of you up there too.

[B]

If only.

[A]

Samorin Therapy. Scroll.

[B]

What are mine says Tessa Morland. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, I think there is Tessa Moreland.

[B]

Similar family.

[A]

I mean we're basically. This is a room full of learned doctors. So let's get the right information up there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I talked to a company. They helped a friend out and they helped me out and I've been on it for six months. And the pain that I had in my knee, like it's specifically walking different Ways are like pulling on my shoe. Yeah, because I tore my meniscus. It would hurt.

[A]

Do you get your blood work done as well?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Oh, you probably do. Yeah, for both your jobs, actually. I would imagine. Did you find Tess Moreland?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I was gonna say, I swear. Synthetic peptides. Specifically a growth hormone releasing hormone. GHRH analog. FDA approved to treat HIV associated lipodystrophy by reducing excessive visceral abdominal fat.

[B]

Growth hormone. There you go.

[A]

Do you have symptoms associated with hiv?

[B]

Well, I mean, I kept dudes in truck stops unprotected for a while, and I just assumed that, you know, it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. Yeah. Look at Magic Johnson.

[A]

You're just getting ahead of it.

[B]

Yeah. Does it?

[A]

Didn't Magic Johnson. He no longer is positive.

[B]

Yeah, I've heard that, but that could just be like a. Whatever rumor. Yeah, I don't know. That's actually true.

[A]

If there's somebody who has the money to probably work with science and figure out a way to do that, I would say that's probably the individual for sure. Or one of the cohort of individual.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Peptides are interesting. It's. My sister focuses. She did hospice care for a long time. Which dude you want to talk about. You better be tooled for that.

[B]

Yeah, just. You're literally there to watch people die,

[A]

and you're there to help facilitate them in the most painless way possible possible. I mean, my mom, she was the hospice nurse for my mom.

[B]

Speaking of a hammer with a fly. Sorry, mom, where are you going? Bam. They went out peacefully in their sleep. Wham. Wham.

[A]

Technically, yeah. No, she did the care for my mom.

[B]

Rough.

[A]

I think it allowed her to switch on, like, her clinical mind, which may have a long term tale of not, you know, maybe processing it.

[B]

Bro, that sounds like PTSD in a nutshell. For us. Hey, compartmentalize these feelings real quick, Wick.

[A]

Dude, my mom passed. I got. I was in Afghanistan. I got the Red Cross letter early. Well, she had been diagnosed with cancer. I. I was home when she passed, not with her. Yeah, but I had been home for maybe 10 days.

[B]

And.

[A]

You want to talk about. I couldn't process anything. I was still in that mindset of just like, black and white. If it's not life threatening, doesn't matter.

[B]

Next.

[A]

What's the next problem? Don't care. Deal with that later. And then it's like.

[B]

Like your mom. I. I got.

[A]

I was in a business meeting when my mom died. I got a text from her and she said hey, give me a call when you can. I was like, what happened? She's like, yeah, just give me a call. And I just. I remember writing back, what time did she die? She's like, just give me a call. And you're done with your meeting. I added the done with the meeting part.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I call her and she's just like, hey, you know, mom. Passes like. And I just. I remember. It's like I'm watching myself from outside of my body thinking back about this. I remember I was like, okay, okay. Like, what time? At that tone of voice. Not physically capable of an emotional range whatsoever.

[B]

Which you don't think about it, but like, what an impact for your sister to deal with too.

[A]

Like my brother, like, autonomous rope a bit.

[B]

She knew more capable of be like, why isn't he asking how I feel? Even if that's not exactly where her head's at. There's a small portion of like, why are you not being sympathetic to my.

[A]

Why do you not have an emotional. You have the emotional range of a quarter right now.

[B]

Like heads or tails? Angry, sad, Angry. Horny.

[A]

Yeah. Or angry angry.

[B]

You know, I get really angry.

[A]

God.

[B]

Yeah. Horrible.

[A]

Absolutely freaking horrible. So now, though, she is focusing on hormonal care for women. Like pre. Everything I'm about to say, I know nothing about. And I think it's the right terms.

[B]

I don't think. I think that's just like. That should go before every podcast.

[A]

But specifically this like perimenopause, pre. Menopause, menopause and postmenopause. There's a lot of menopausal stuff. Stuff.

[B]

I'm told testosterone helps with menopausal issues.

[A]

She would be able to answer that correctly. The. From my understanding, essentially the FDA hard generations of women by putting. What's the label, Michael? Is it a red label or a black label? Warning on testosterone for women. It was like breast cancer guaranteed if you touch this stuff. Breast cancer guaranteed. So this generations of women were just grinding it out as they were having huge hormonal shifts. Gives. I'm. Yes. Testosterone is part of the therapy that she does for sure. And then I think there's an estrogen portion of that and depends on the person. Point being, now she's completely focusing on that aspect like longevity and helping women through that phase of her life. Peptides are a huge part of what she does.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's fascinating to have conversations with her. They don't even necessarily understand the exact mechanism, but they can't argue with the results with some of these Things.

[B]

Yeah, that's the thing is like, we kind of know it does gut health and. Yeah.

[A]

Because of the gut overall, like systemic inflammation is way down and is having a bunch of cascading positive effects. We're not necessarily sure, but this is kind of awesome. And then big pharma's like, we haven't.

[B]

But not. Not approved for human consumption yet, though.

[A]

Yeah. Or. Well, that's because big pharma is trying to patent them

[B]

off. I don't know how you patent a genome or like, I don't know.

[A]

It's a naturally. It's a. They're amino acids.

[B]

Yeah. Like, how do you patent an amino acid?

[A]

By spending a lot of money with lawyers.

[B]

What happened to capitalism?

[A]

Aren't we in that experiment right now?

[B]

Yeah, it used to be great. Well, it also used to be like child workers, but give and take, I guess. The children yearn for the mines, Andrew.

[A]

How they yearn for the polish the inside of a 50 cal round without using a child's small finger.

[B]

That's perfect.

[A]

God, I've never been motivated by money to do it. Like, don't get me wrong, I love the idea of money being fantastically wealthy, but I wouldn't do it at that cost.

[B]

Do what at what cost?

[A]

Hire children intentionally. You know what I mean? Or structure my system. Where that was the.

[B]

Are you gonna have a moral compass? Yeah, like. Like how. Where do you get your. Where did these people get their moral compasses? You know, obviously Epstein didn't have one. Bring it back to that. You know, know, people's moral compass is I want power.

[A]

He would say that he did have one.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Everybody. I get you could say everybody has a moral compass. You know, where it's criminals.

[A]

Do they believe they're morally right in what they're doing? Sometimes. Because I'm sure it depends on the person you're dealing with.

[B]

When it comes to kid touchers. They will. They know what they're doing is wrong societally, they know what they're doing is wrong. But what. They'll always try to distance themselves from the crime. Crime. Like one example would be intimate crime.

[A]

How can you distance yourself?

[B]

Well, one. One would be like, did you like get a blow job or have sex with this child? Yeah, but I never came on them. So they are in their mindset, which is but up. I'm not that condoning this.

[A]

That will. They will verbalize that they still.

[B]

That. That is. That is a verbatim.

[A]

And as they're saying that they think that they think.

[B]

They believe that they're not being disrespectful or that's their way. That's their moral compass. That is their line, like, hey, hey, I'm have him, but I didn't ejaculate on the child. And you're like, oh, thank you. Thank you for letting me know that

[A]

I was going to say, what in the actual hell are you Googling?

[B]

Yeah, right when he post up, I was like, I was like, yeah.

[A]

Now in the ICAC world is like, do we need like, good God.

[B]

I thought he was going to pull up a sperm. Just a big thing of sperm. I thought that's what the, the amino acid was. I was like, wow. Bold choice. Dark humor. Loving where your head's at.

[A]

They have their own, own moral compass, as up as we may think it is.

[B]

They have their own reasoning for why they did what they did and why it's not as bad as what other people think that it is.

[A]

What do they. How do they respond when confronted by the reality that they're absolutely batshit crazy and out of their mind to think that.

[B]

How do you tell a person who's crazy that they're crazy? How do you, how do you bring logic to something that's illogical? You can't. You can you talk to them about.

[A]

Don't talk about the Internet like that. That. Don't talk about arguing on the Internet in that way. Bringing logic to illogical things. That's the point of the Internet.

[B]

Twitter is into it.

[A]

Pool.

[B]

We got to kill some bots, man. I mean like there's some. These bot farms where I'm like looking at like all these profiles that are like saying the most horrible. I'm like, that's an AI bot right there. Just trying to create dissidence in my comment section.

[A]

Have you heard of the dead Internet theory?

[B]

Yes. That there is the like 80%, if not more of the Internet is just AI just regurgitating or there farms.

[A]

I've had Michael pull the pictures. It's just the banks of phones.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you can remind yourself that, that who you. That is who you may be arguing with, it's helpful. But then if you can also remind yourself you're not going to change anybody's opinion on the Internet, it's even more helpful.

[B]

The only thing that I've noticed with like conversations in the comments section of Twitter is did I, did I? I'm careful to misconstrue somebody's point because it's text. Right. So just like a book, you read something, it has the emotional Impact that you feel it would. Right? Yeah. Not what the person may be writing it sends out. Right.

[A]

The written word is the worst. So anybody who's married and texts their wife can let you know that. Yeah, like, I did not. Why are you implying tone here? Yeah, this was just like straight, how are you doing, you motherfucker?

[B]

What do you mean, how am I doing? Well, I didn't say like that.

[A]

Yeah, so that's when you're immediately like, call, call, call. Like, hey, what's going on?

[B]

Hey. First of all, I love you. I just want to let you know that you woke up today. You smelt great. I don't know what you did. Hello?

[A]

Hello? Dude, the written word, it's rough.

[B]

So I'll get in conversations in the comment section and usually the first one or two if I want to have a conversation, debate, whatever, talk about a topic is. What is their mindset in this? Is it it to berate me or was this a question? And we're now exchanging information because you'll know right away. Yeah, right. Hey, it's. It's like a probe. You put a little probe out there to be like, when you said this in response to my comment, did you not read this part or what did you think of that? And if they're like, shut up, fascist. Well, then, you know. Yeah, it's not. And if they. But on the other hand, if they go, well, you said this, that. And I thought that this was funny. You're like, okay, cool. This is somebody that wants more information and possible. Yeah, cool. Part of the Internet, talk with strangers, you know, when you're of age, kids, seriously. And. Yeah.

[A]

How did you grow your channel to 1.5 plus million? It's pretty impressive. Also, how do you decide what you're going to cover on your channel?

[B]

I see whatever tickles my taint. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, I, I just. Consistency, I think, is the one thing. I had a buddy of mine.

[A]

How long you been at it?

[B]

A decade, I think. 2017 is when I started the YouTube channel.

[A]

So nobody's going to pay attention to that. They see 1.5 and they're like, you're an overnight. Walk me through the beginning of that and the trajectory of what got it to that.

[B]

So growth is normal. Right. We talked about bots. So if you see somebody that's just

[A]

like,

[B]

like, like Malibu Fitness. Malibu Fitness, right.

[A]

So that was probably more though very influential people like, this dude's amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And everybody's like, bing.

[B]

So when it comes to subscriber count, normally what happens is is you'll have a normal amount of growth for a little while and then you'll hit a top topic where it gets like oh my God, that video did like 10 times the amount of views that all my normal videos get. And you'll get a spike in followers and then you know, drop back down and then you'll.

[A]

That's either normal.

[B]

So like when you're seeing like up, down, up, down, up to plateaus and they're all over the place and there's no. You're like how my perfect day has sand, salt water and friends. But my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis can take me out of the moment.

[A]

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[B]

Visit skyrizi.com or call 1-866-Skyrizi to learn more. There should be a rhyme or reason to it. You'll know that like people have like bots following them or if like all the accounts are like like Indian accounts. That's another telltale sign that somebody's not following you. But the way that I got to 1.5 was consistency. Buddy of mine said worked with, you know, a bunch of females in his line of work and the girl scrumped up be like how do you have your thing? He's like if you've got time on the toilet to make a post then you should make a post. It's like there's no reason why you can't post once or twice a day. A two, a 20 or a 20 second skit or a funny little blurb about something. He was a lot of short form stuff. Stuff. And I that's how I started out too was short form little skits, things that I thought were funny because I was like, I did some standup comedy but mostly improv. Yeah.

[A]

And that does take Less time.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So it started off small and then short, and then it grew into like longer form. And when I found out that it's just as easy to make a five minute funny sketch as it is to make 30 seconds, where I'm trying to boil down the jokes as much as I can.

[A]

You can let them breathe a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So I just. Then I just had fun jumping from platform to platform doing different things. Like, I enjoy what I do, but I've also worked on it for 10 years.

[A]

Nobody wants to see that, man. Nobody wants to see the ten year overnight success.

[B]

Yeah. They want to be. They want the hawk to a girl, man.

[A]

You want to talk about Elon Musk rocket up and then I think a trapdoor came open shortly after that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just not sustain. I think if it's all based on that, it's just not sustained. Sustainable.

[B]

It was. She was. I mean, for an overnight success, she had. She started her podcast and had crazy celebrities on it, which could have continued.

[A]

Could have continued. But you got to look at how she was able to do that. She had the whole backing of a networking system. Correct. Had access to those individuals because anybody can create. I mean, when I first started the podcast, it was like two microphones and a Zoom HD6, bro.

[B]

That's where I'm at right now with my buddy, where I'm starting ours. We've got a couple cameras because I've been in the game for a while, so I can afford that now.

[A]

And you've in your recognizable and have a circle of friends. Even. Even just the relationship with the unsub dudes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, it's the getting the guests is working through the network and all of that stuff. But yeah, for her, having those celebrities is because of the relationship that the brand had with her. And then, you know, maybe don't start a crypto coin.

[B]

A rug pull.

[A]

Holy cow.

[B]

Just. It was so obvious we're gonna do hawk to a coin. You're like, oh, my God. But also, who are the idiots? Well, they're idiots around her that do dumb social media stuff.

[A]

But not even that. But who's gonna invest in a hawk to a coin?

[B]

Like, I want people did. She made like $1 million. She made enough to make like a million bucks, which was the dumbest thing ever. Now she's doing only fans.

[A]

Is she really?

[B]

Yeah, she's doing feed picks.

[A]

Who is gonna give? Like, if you came to me and like, hey, do you know who this hawk to a girl is, Mike? I think so. From being on the Internet talking about spitting on a date dick. Which hilarious content, by the way. She's gonna do crypto investing. Can we get $1 from you? Like, absolutely not. I'll give you a dollar to go away and never bring up this topic again.

[B]

Yeah, like, they still got a dollar, though.

[A]

Okay, well, no, I just walk away then. Like, who is investing in that?

[B]

What's the term? There's like, there's a sucker born every minute. Isn't that like the old school term?

[A]

I don't want to. God. I think you're accurate, but I just don't want to believe that. Like, I am sorry. Why would you follow this woman into this unknown terrain where she is clearly being marionette dolled by other people who work in this world? Like, what are you doing? I want to have empathy for people when they make bad decisions, but that one is so galactically stupid.

[B]

Are you forgetting about the time where the one Kardashian sister, like, was so close to being a billionaire that people started to gofundme to get her $100 million so that she could become a billionaire?

[A]

That's not true.

[B]

Yes, it is. Jamie, you, Michelle.

[A]

I don't want to believe it's not Chloe.

[B]

It's not Kim. It's the one that got a whole bunch of facial stuff done. Not the model.

[A]

I don't know if you say the one that got a whole bunch of facial stuff done, if that narrows down the Kardashians.

[B]

Well, the old one's Khloe. She's the one that was dog faced Kylie. There you go. There you go. She needs $100 million. And it happened.

[A]

She did not get a hundred million dollars on GoFundMe.

[B]

I'm almost certain that she did. I'm almost certain that it was like, it was tens of millions. I know it was tens of millions.

[A]

I don't want to live in a world where Kylie Jenner doesn't have a billion dollars.

[B]

She needs that $100 million, man.

[A]

Jeez. The person who wrote that is walking around with you and I in society. We may know them.

[B]

Dude, you don't hate the media enough. It's garbage. Yellow journalism is bad back. You don't get honest journalism.

[A]

What's that?

[B]

Yellow journalism?

[A]

Yeah. I just have never heard that term.

[B]

It was a term that was, if I'm not mistaken, was coined during Teddy Roosevelt's time. And yellow journalism is just extremely slanted, intentionally opinionated media.

[A]

You think that's what's going on right now?

[B]

100. The only I found it to be

[A]

super transparent and without bias.

[B]

Wait a second. You smell gas? I think I'm being gaslit.

[A]

No, but you have to assume that. I mean, you can tell.

[B]

People can't assume, though. People can't think for themselves.

[A]

All you got to do is look at a topic, and I will use two examples of which I know there are more. You can go to CNN and you can go to Fox.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they will. You just. All you need to do is find an article on the same topic and look at the difference in how it is discussed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And realize that probably neither of them are accurate and the truth is somewhere in between.

[B]

Yeah. But most people don't do that or don't have the time. Time. So they rely on the news networks like we used to rely on them in, like, the 40s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For just a non. Unbiased or for an unbiased opinion.

[A]

What concerns me is the people that consume a voracious amount on one side and they think that they're well educated, they're pummeled in an echo chamber, and they're aware of what that side is being shoved down their throat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if I use the term well educated. They're just surrounded by their own bias that I hope that they can recognize. But I guess what you're saying holds water. You know, they don't have enough time. I don't know. I feel like they do. I feel like you can find the time that you need to not walk around being snowballed by a propaganda machine. I mean, I'm just saying there's a

[B]

lot of people get snowballed.

[A]

Yeah, I suppose.

[B]

Don Lemon's a freedom fighter, so there's enough people that get snowballed.

[A]

Did he get arrested in the church?

[B]

He got arrested after the church is in an incident, but I believe that he was able to walk free. I think they dropped the. The district attorney dropped the charges.

[A]

I saw that that happened, but I couldn't bring myself because, again, I can't bring myself to get emotionally involved in something that I think is just trying to be weaponized for political purposes.

[B]

In which way? Well, I mean, everything's being weaponized for political purposes. I'm a part of that right now. Actually, one of my. My incidents hit the national media. Thank God we bombed Iran, because now I don't think anybody gives a anymore.

[A]

What happened with the national media?

[B]

Boiled down. And we can get into it more if you want. Boiled down. There was a guy that was arrested in the city of Buffalo that happened to have, like, refugee status.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And he was incarcerated for a while. While. During his arrest, while, you know, things are ongoing. He makes bail, gets out. Border patrol picks him up because there was some sort of detainer that was on him because he was a refugee but committed a crime.

[A]

Probably violates your refugee status, I'd imagine.

[B]

Possibly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they release him, though, after, like, a certain number of hours, and then four days later, he's found dead.

[A]

Okay,

[B]

well, when they released him, a couple days after they released him, there was a missing persons complaint. Guess who got that missing person's complaint?

[A]

Someone who looks like you.

[B]

Me? This guy got that missing persons. So I got the missing persons, and I thought that he was in. Still in custody, so I closed the case. It was still on my desk, but it was like. I was like, okay, cool. I got the answers for it. Let me. There you go.

[A]

Niral Amin Shah Alam. So found dead days after US Customs and border patrol dropped him off at a coffee shop miles from his home in Buffalo. What's the. Why do they drop off at a coffee shop?

[B]

I'll get into it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I end up getting the. The. The case. I look into it. I think he's in custody. I'm. Okay. I'm gonna close it. That's easy. You can't be missing person if you're in custody.

[A]

How'd this guy die?

[B]

Hold on. I call the complaint. The complainant. Leave a message. Hey, I'm going to close the case. I believe he's in custody. Let me know. Yours may not click. A couple hours later, Get a call. Hey, he's not in custody anymore. That's old information. I'm like, oh, interesting. Not a problem. Case is on my desk. Let me just click my internal document reviewing, reopen the case, and we're good to go. A couple days later. Dead. Now, you know what the story. You know what the headline is? Border patrol drops off blind man with no English in the middle of the winter, causing his death. Death.

[A]

Did he die due to environmental exposure?

[B]

I don't know if that's public knowledge yet, but I believe that that's been ruled out.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Well, I know that. I know that he was a lie, or at least the. I know that the medics worked on him or the ambulatory people worked on him for a little bit. So he wasn't frozen.

[A]

Was he blind?

[B]

There you go. Blind refugee found dead. So what you get is, oh, my God. Yeah, you got to go to, like, archive.com or something. Like, archive is. And then you can get the archived version of it, and then it'll go through the paywall.

[A]

Was he blind?

[B]

Partially. So what came out in the news is that Border Patrol killed this guy because they dumped him off in the

[A]

cold in Buffalo, left him to defend for himself. Probably. No jacket, no shoes.

[B]

Yeah. They drop him off to die, and then I get the case. I fumble it for three hours. And be that three hours, that would have been life saving. Apparently. Yeah. And over the course of five days, while we look for this dude, dude, he ends up passing away. So it's Border Patrol's fault they killed him. It's my fault because I didn't look for him hard enough in the first four hours of the investigation.

[A]

Dropped off at a Timmy Horton's. Very Canada of you guys. You guys are close, though.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Right there by the border. Yeah.

[A]

Scroll down a little bit more, Michael. So investigating the caused death examiner include the death was health related and ruled out exposure or homicide.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

All right. I mean, people do die sometimes they die in circumstances that could be wrapped up in other things.

[B]

So it's all over the Internet. The House Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries, retweets it. ICE is retweeting it. DHS is retweeting it. It's. It's all over how this poor blind man was just set off in the winter snow on a death warrant and that. And then there we go. Would you like to know what actually happened?

[A]

Happened? Yeah, desperately.

[B]

Okay, here's what actually happened. He's arrested. You want to know he's arrested for.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Whooping the. Out of some woman's dog at some house that he randomly walked up to in, like, the area of where he was dropped off because he used to live in that area. Town. Beats the. Out of some woman's dog.

[A]

What was he doing there?

[B]

Just walking around. I don't know.

[A]

Isn't it dangerous to walk when you're blind?

[B]

Interesting that you say that. That. That'll come up later. So beats a sh. Out the dog with some, like, curtain rods or something like that.

[A]

Who walks with curtain rods?

[B]

That blind man who uses them as walking sticks is what the news says. Use them as walking sticks and therefore completely. But either way, he goes into some woman's yard, beats her dog up with these walking sticks. Officers go there, they're like, hey, you're trespassing. Put the curtain rods down. Doesn't speak a lot of English, but, you know, put it down. Down. Stop. Get on the ground. I've got a Taser pointed at you probably some physical things you might. You might understand for a blind guy. He starts swinging his sticks at the cops. So they try to tase him. Doesn't work. They end up wrestling with them. He bites the two police officers. Bites, break skin, bleeding. Right. One of them twice, one of them once. They arrest him. So he's arrested for trespassing and biting. Cops.

[A]

I was gonna say, isn't that assault on a peace officer?

[B]

Yeah, well, the DA's office decided to drop that. It's going to be harassment, trespassing, you know, don't worry about the cops getting bit by a crazy man. Who, by the way, fighting, by the way. He can't see. He can. How do you know? How do you know this? Because I talked to his son.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he gets put in county lockup for like the past several months. Like, it's locked up in like the end of 2025. He's been like lock up for almost a year, maybe be. And he's got a detainer for that charge because he just. He never made bail. So his family visits him in lockup.

[A]

Is it. So he's like in county jail.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So he's in county lockup for a while. People don't know this. This isn't. You know, this is breaking news. I have. I know. I know a bunch of people in city of Buffalo area. I know sheriff's deputies. While he was locked up, he was a complete menace in the. In the holding center because he would wait for the female officers to walk by and then masturbate in front of them. So pretty interesting. He didn't do that for any of the men. Did it for all the women when they were coming by. Probably not so blind. Yeah, probably not so blind.

[A]

He needed the proper motivation.

[B]

I mean, so he gets bailed out. We don't know who bails him out. We're trying to figure out who bailed him out right now, which I think is an extremely important piece of information.

[A]

It is important. I'm. I mean, I'm surprised you.

[B]

You. Because if you bail them out, that means that that person would likely have some sort of responsibility. Yeah. To notify him or the Erie County holding center or cbp, whatever, that his family has since moved from the location that he was dropped off at to another location in the city, the opposite side of town, basically, while. So while in the holding center, his family visits him. He's visited by his criminal defense services. Nobody tells him that his family's moved and that he's got a new address.

[A]

None of this makes sense.

[B]

No, it doesn't. It's almost like people didn't care about them. And then, like, if I now put that burden on us, if I was

[A]

visiting a family member in jail with the likelihood that they were going to get out, like, dude, you remember the townhouse we used to live in which our lease came up? So, like, yeah, we live over here now.

[B]

Which brings up the point of who bailed him out. If his family bailed him out, wouldn't they tell him that, hey, we live here now? Guess what the complaint was started as. As a missing person. So guess who made that complaint. His criminal defense lawyer. Right. Who says that he represents him as an attorney. Now, you might represent him as a criminal defense lawyer, but do you have that legal authority to represent him as a missing persons person?

[A]

I don't know. Any of that stuff works.

[B]

And the other thing is, is if you're his criminal defense lawyer and his family potentially did not bail him out because they would have told him where they live now, now he's the only person that probably would have bailed him out. It's illegal for a defense attorney to bail out his own client. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

It's a violation of the bargain that actually checks out.

[B]

Yeah. Hey, you committed murder. I'm gonna bail you out. You know, if you kind of extend the circumstances a little bit to make it more. Yeah, you know, grandiose. You kind of see why.

[A]

I can see the breadcrumbs on that one.

[B]

Yeah. I'm a. I'm a millionaire defense attorney. I'm gonna post your bail for you. Yeah. Mix of. Now I assume that he makes the police report because maybe he can't get a hold of the guy after he footed his bail, which he's not supposed to do.

[A]

I mean, there's gonna be a record of who paid the bill. Right. There's got to be.

[B]

Somebody has to sign something to say that they put a bail for him.

[A]

And you're. Was it. You're pretty sure it was not the family?

[B]

I'm using common sense. I'm not saying it was. But if the family didn't bail him out for this long and then he doesn't know that the family moved and gets dropped off to their old address. I'm assuming it wasn't the family, because they would have been like, hey, dad, we moved from 123 A Street to 123 B Street.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

So he gets picked up by border patrol. They got to the detainer. They are. They determine. Okay, cool. You Check out. Actually, we're gonna let you go. Where do you want to go? They drop them off into Tim Hortons. It's closed, but the drive thru is open. So CBP is like, well, you want us to drop us or not? Cbp? But border patrol is like, all right, you want to drop you off at the. The corner of this gas station, fine. It's, you know, drive thru's open, looks open. Who gives a. The guy said he wanted to get dropped off there a mile.

[A]

He made the choice. Yep.

[B]

A mile or two. This is, this is ICE's, like DHS's response too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is there, like, he has to be dropped off at that location? So we did. Instead of just kicking him out at our holding center location. Like, isn't that kind of the nice thing to do?

[A]

Yeah, it kind of gave the guy a solid.

[B]

So he gets out. There's video of him walking around. He's got shoes, he's got his jacket. It a couple days later, I get the missing persons report. I do my investigation, call the bice. They tell me, hey, there's a detainer for him. He's waiting to be sentenced for your Buffalo PD thing? For the assault. And in my mind, I go, oh, he's waiting to be sentenced. He's in custody. So I call up the defense attorney and say, hey, I believe he's in custody. I'll close the case. That's the information I have right now. Calls back upset. No, no, that's old information. Like, okay, not a problem. I get my entire unit on it. All right. Older. Older guy. Defense attorney's kind of worried about him. ICE is involved now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, let's. Let's get all hands on this, Start putting out social media posts and all that other stuff. What does this defense attorney do right away? Goes to investigative post, starts painting everybody a bad picture. News starts going with, he's blind, he can't see. I called his son up. Sounds like, no, you can see like 50ft. He can see. People really can't tell who you are. Yeah. He goes, but within three feet, he's like, it's crystal clear. He's fine. It's just one eye is bad. I was like, okay, thank you. Geez. That goes against the narrative, dude. The narrative just goes insane. They dropped him off. He's dead. He's frozen. We're hitting up homeless shelters all throughout the city. Dropped off on the 19th, dead on the 23rd or 4th.

[A]

Four day window being unaccounted for.

[B]

Yeah. Of walking around the city. People are like they dropped him off in the cold. He's been living in the city of Buffalo for past couple years, since 2024. I think the guy knows it gets cold here sometimes. Who he got arrested almost the same time last year walking around middle of the cold beating up somebody's dog. So yeah, the, the news has taken it and just absolutely run with it and just, just completely left out all this information. Not anything. Oh, minor injuries to the officers. What he was arrested for? Minor. He bit people.

[A]

Which is one of the dirtier injuries that you can. Can get.

[B]

Yeah. You need to go on antibiotics when somebody bites you. It's like a dog bite.

[A]

I'd rather be hit or kicked than bit.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, and they say the police beat him during the arrest after he bit them. Yeah. They're punching him to get his hands behind his back. They had to wait for backup. Two cops had to sit on his back while he's like fighting with them still. But this is the physically incapable, incapacitated old man.

[A]

I don't know how you'll ever right size that narrative. I don't think you guys will ever get out from underneath that.

[B]

Nope. Now we're screwed. That's just going to be out there.

[A]

It's an uphill battle, man. ICE and DHS and border Patrol, they're in a interesting spot right now. They've had some public incidents that are not the best optic.

[B]

No, the pretty shooting was pretty bad. I think it's going to be awful. But lawful. That's my opinion of it. I did a video on it.

[A]

He will be legally covered.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I think civilization I just, I mean I talk to a lot. Again, I've never been a police officer. I've never had to make that decision under the constraints and boundaries that police officers work underneath. But from an outsider that looks to me to be completely avoidable.

[B]

I agree. Here's how you avoid it. One, instead of saying we're not going to support any federal agency when it comes to customs or border patrol or immigration. Right. The local police need to at least should have done crowd control. Hey, I don't like that you're here. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to separate you from the public that I protect. Boy, isn't that a great idea? Instead of just letting your city try to overrun federal officers doing their job. That's now going to create more and more tension.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's almost like the politicians decide to, I don't know, politicize their own people and into throwing them into the meat grinder, praying that something negative happens so then they can get a political win.

[A]

I've had some people reach out from inside of some of these cities and in no uncertain terms have basically said, because you can look at the. The data of deportations under Biden, under Trump, won under Obama. They were deporting millions of people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what these individuals have said to me was, yeah, but the sanctuary cities were complying with and working with those agencies as opposed to taking the opposite approach. Which falls in line with what you're talking about.

[B]

Well, you also have the volume. Texas has tens of thousands more deportations than Minnesota. Why aren't there so many incidents like in Minnesota as there are in Texas? Maybe it's not ice. Maybe it's the reaction to the them. And is that reaction from politicians or the local populace?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is there? Because there is assistance from local law enforcement to keep the two separated.

[A]

I also think it's horrible to put people in a position that they're not trained for.

[B]

Boom.

[A]

That was another thing, because my understanding it was those were Border patrol personnel, and I'm friends, there's Border patrol up here. Just so people know there is a northern border. And when Trump says there's not been a snowbacks illegal crossing in nine months, I'm like, how dare you, sir?

[B]

Yeah, guys, like, what?

[A]

Did you actually just say that at the State of the Union? Okay, whatever. Come to Montana for a week and we can dispel that rumor. Because the seven Border patrol officers that are patrolling the vast northern border between Montana and the Moose don't count.

[B]

They don't count.

[A]

They might have some camera footage that could dispel that. But I just did. An episode comes out Monday with a guy named Oscar Haggle Seed. And he started with Border Patrol.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Worked his way to dhs, ICE expert in the cartels. But he was talking about the, you know, because people are saying, well, Border patrol gets additional training to deal with things like that. He was like, listen, I went crowd control.

[B]

Well, maybe at major points of entry, but like.

[A]

And that's what it's for. And that's what he said. He's like, listen, I can only speak for when I went through, but the, the, yeah, we did get additional training for things like, like crowd control or protests or riot at a port of entry. How do we prevent it from shutting down the port of entry, which is completely different than going and pulling people off of the street and dealing with people in that manner. Like, was the guy making, in my opinion, stupid decisions to Be there to do what he was doing? Absolutely, yeah. Does that mean he should have gotten burned down by three quarters of a mag dump? No, no, not even remote.

[B]

The incident where like that skinny guy with the mace goes up and maces the guy and the girl. One of the crowd control things that like I've learned and I've been FEMA trained is arrests take time and people, those two things really tell you whether or not you're going to be affecting an arrest in a crowd control environment. Sometimes you're just going to have to eat the bricks that come at you because you don't have the manpower. Yeah. Do you have the manpower and the time to now arrest these two people instead to. Of trying just taking five steps backwards away from the car now that they've fallen all over each other and like, get your guys and get out of there? Yes. Can he legally affect an arrest because they were obstructing? Yes. Which is the better decision? Yeah. Spray and break contact 100%.

[A]

It's rough, man. And that. Those optics, those. I don't know how you get out from underneath that.

[B]

Well, they pulled out, right? Then they pull out of Minnesota and they're like, all right. Well, I thought that Minnesota and governor Tim Waltz, combat veteran, I thought he like said, all right, we're gonna have state and local municipalities work with ICE now in order to get them to pull out. I thought that was like the consensus.

[A]

I don't know. I know that they definitely reduced.

[B]

There was a middle ground. There was some sort, there is some sort of assistance I remember of. From the state and local level so that they could remove the majority of the ICE foot footprint.

[A]

You know, it's interesting. I, I really have never encountered somebody who says we shouldn't enforce our immigration laws. Left or right. Right. They could argue like, you know, people have, they, they're coming here for a better life and this, that in which all of that can be true. But even with people I know who are pretty on the hard left hand side, if you get him like, listen, are you saying we should have no immigration policy? The ones I've talked to like, no, no, I'm not saying that. But. But there's a difference between somebody who came here to better their family and they've been paying taxes and hardened criminal, I'm like, okay, we can have that conversation for sure. But none of them are saying get rid of all immigration policy. So there is some level of overlap and Venn diagram agreement there. The how really matters though. And I didn't pay attention to politics an immense amount when I was younger. But it seems like right now it's like team one side, team left and team right. And it almost doesn't matter what happens. Those, those people are entrenched and dogmatically aligned.

[B]

Well, those are the loud people.

[A]

But there's also this huge group though in the center that is a little bit more malleable and can be pushed left and right. And that's what I worry about with stuff like Minnesota. You're pushing large groups of people that aren't dogmatically aligned with either team. You're pushing them away from your team or your team.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which in the long run is a horrible long term solution because what they're going to do is align themselves for a short period of time or maybe a longer period of time with the other side because they're not liking what they're going to see and they don't care as much about the team. They just don't want to see stuff like that. Like the how matters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I don't see how that's law. I just, I don't understand how people can't grasp that concept.

[B]

Even if they can't. I think the easiest thing to do is realize that people are emotional. And if you see people dying in the streets, legal or not, at the hands of federal officers while they're conducting a raid or. Yeah, you know, whatever you're going to say, that makes me feel bad. And you should. Yeah, it should make you feel bad. Don't want to see that. You know what the easiest way to make you feel better is say that I don't want that to happen. Which means now kind of you still like to decide.

[A]

And it's actually what I'd love to see is the people in charge of those agencies saying, you know what? That shouldn't have happened, but instead within minutes or hours, it's a domestic terrorist. Like that is the fastest investigation that I've ever seen.

[B]

Which one?

[A]

Kristi Noem got on national news within hours and I was like, that was a domestic terrorist.

[B]

Oh, that of pretty. Yeah, that was, that was.

[A]

It's like you opened completed and it put a summary judgment on an investigation that this guy was a domestic terrorist.

[B]

Yeah, with the. The left's gonna throw our own Naz. Now the right's gonna throw around terrorists. I mean, I'm not gonna lie the right through around terrorists a lot of 2001 till now in order to get their way. But like what are we talking about? The second that she said that you

[A]

Were like, you know, it'd be amazing is if she went the fitness Malibu route, not the shiny skin. Do you think he's had work done or that's just the way he is.

[B]

He doesn't have worry lines.

[A]

Dude maybe has nothing to worry about.

[B]

Well, I think we've disproven that.

[A]

If she would have gotten up there and be like, listen, this was a horrific loss of life. An American citizen lost their life.

[B]

We're going to reevaluate. I would be like.

[A]

And before I comment further, I am going to take the time to allow our organization or an outside organization to come in to gather all of the facts. But what happened shouldn't have happened. Happened. And we're going to try to do everything we can to make sure it doesn't happen. I would have so much more respect for that person. And I think that's how people, the citizens of this country would have more respect for that agency. By going the route that they're doing, they're cutting their nose off despite their face.

[B]

I think people see Trump push back the way that he pushes back, and they're like, I want to do that, but Donald Trump is Donald Trump. Donald Trump's doing what he's been doing for a long time. And as a specialty in it. You're Kristi. No, your. The Pam Bondi.

[A]

The dows at 50,000.

[B]

Bro. Bro. The dumbest. Come on.

[A]

With victims standing behind her that she wouldn't look at, raising their hands, saying they've never had the opportunity to talk with the FBI or had an investigation. They wouldn't even turn around and look at them.

[B]

I mean, I don't. The. The turnaround. Look, things are theatrics, right?

[A]

Well, the theatrics is also them standing there raising their hand like theatrics were playing on both sides.

[B]

It's on both sides. Yeah, I'm over the theatrics. Just do actual action.

[A]

You know what? I led the scene as Pam. Look over and be like, listen, go get all those people's names right now and put appointments on the calendar, and we're going to go talk with each one of those individuals. Problem solved. And guess what? The ammunition that the left is trying to use against you depleted blank.

[B]

And that's on the news now.

[A]

Totally blanks. This isn't.

[B]

You don't do anything, dude. I just did this.

[A]

I'm dumb, right? And I can figure this stuff out. But hey, the dow is at 50,000. I'm like, did you just say that in the context and setting of where you are. And I don't believe. What I believe is, with having no data to support this, that a lot of the times when these people get up in front of these microphones, they are told what to say from the highest levels. And maybe they are smart people, maybe they're not, but they're tightly inside of boundaries that they have to stay inside of or their head's going to get lopped off.

[B]

You know who I don't see do that? Or my opinion that I kind of like. I've gotten a newfound respect for poor Marco Rubio. I have seen him go in front of different committees time and time again. He doesn't lose his cool. He is. Got a ton of information that he is willing to throw out there. And the fact that he's, like, fluent in Spanish and the Venezuelan thing, and obviously the incident on the southern border right now where the cartels are upset that their head honcho got blown. I'm like, this guy's impressing the. Out of me. Yeah.

[A]

And it's.

[B]

I can't say that about Pam Bondi or Christine Noem, but I can say that about. I can say about Marco.

[A]

Well, what you're talking about is somebody who is acting like a professional.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Versus somebody. And again, I'm not saying this true, but it almost appears as if they're being played like a marionette doll. And maybe they are smart, but I think those people are being directed and boundary. This is what you. You can say, here's your script. Go run it. And don't you dare go outside of it.

[B]

I mean, that's. You're going to say that about.

[A]

About.

[B]

Or anybody could say that about anybody that's, you know, that works for the president. Right. You're going to have your talking points. You're going to have your thing. And it's like, what's the difference between pan buying the last two ags that we've had? Oh, they work for the president.

[A]

Say that Rubio is somehow boundaried in the same way.

[B]

I don't think that he is. I think because.

[A]

Or he's making the choice to navigate it because you could have those boundaries.

[B]

He's very good at navigating the thing.

[A]

Rubio is like, you know what? Yeah. Let's assume that he is getting the same guidance. It's like he's sitting there and he's like, the terrain isn't supporting this guidance that I'm giving or that I'm getting. So I'm gonna stay with the intent of this guidance. But I'm gonna play the field as it's presenting itself.

[B]

Yeah. There's other people are like, here's my talking points. This is what I want to focus on.

[A]

And the field is shifting on them and they're, and they're not playing it as well.

[B]

I think that's a good definition of Pam Bondi's the Dallas at 50 or $50,000 right now. Right. I think that's, I think that she was walking in there, there and she's like, I'm gonna throw this fact at their face. And instead of waiting for the opportunity that was appropriate for her to use

[A]

that, she picked the exact opposite.

[B]

She just, she was just like, this is a good thing. I can use it now and then the bed.

[A]

How matters, man. How matters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I actually hadn't thought about Ruby. He does, he does a good job of. He's a professional.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He's impressed me.

[A]

You think he will get the nod ahead of Vance?

[B]

I think he's worked his way up. I think it's going to be, I think it's a, it's going to be.

[A]

I guess you compare them, it could be advanced Rubio ticket.

[B]

I think that's going to happen. I think it's going to be whoever pulls better in the, in the individual. Does Vance pull better in the individual or does Rubio who had the ticket? Correct. Like I think there's going to be those two, maybe a couple others. I mean presidential nominations can change like crazy. Crazy. It's insane what will happen over like three months. Like the guy that was supposed to run against Bush.

[A]

That was amazing.

[B]

Yeah, he did once and, and done. And he was the front runner and he looked amazing. And then it became like it was

[A]

actually attached to the stage he was on when he walked off.

[B]

So, so anything could happen. I would assume that the Republicans are going to try and minimize like an all out run because they're going to have their favorites like Vance. Obviously a vice president running again is par for the course.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean it's not just, you know, Biden, Kamala Harris, everybody, even Al Gore and Bush, you know, before that. Bush is the head of the CIA. Was he a vice president? I don't think he was. He was CIA under Reagan.

[A]

I do not. Yeah, he was. I don't believe Senior was. Not ever.

[B]

Yeah. And then. But anyway it's, it's kind of the norm even like in the beginning stages of the United States states, which I loved the original beginnings of the United States where if you lost the presidential run for the one thing you just became the vice president. I thought that was cool.

[A]

It would be interesting if you forced somebody from the other side to be on your ticket.

[B]

Could you imagine Trump and Kamala Harris as vice president? Like, only in my old school, but then again.

[A]

Well, speaking of that, who do you think is going to lead the Democratic ticket? Newsom just had an amazing outing where he basically, in front of an African American audience, said, I'm one of you. I have low SAT scores as well. I was like, what?

[B]

Isn't that like, I hate to be hyperbolic here, but isn't that like kind of like the Democrats, like, running position that the right's been trying to like get black people woke to for forever is like, hey, they don't think you're smart. They just use you as a voting block. Like, they try to pull the wool over your eyes all the time and be like, well, they're too dumb to get an id. They don't know how to work a computer tutor. I'm dumb like you. All I do is, you know, rap song 40 ounce. I like hot sauce on my says Hillary Linton. At least the Republicans would be like, hey, man, you're on food stamps and we hate it. Can you like, get a job and then work with us? You'll like it. Once you get a job, you're going to be like one of us and not want to spend tax money. And, and, and just every year, every six months, every however long, there's just some head of the Democratic Party that says dumb like that. President Biden's wife. I love the Mexican people. I love tacos. Now that was a little bit of a stretch. She was talking about like, hey, you know, different ethnicities have different food groups. And I love Mexican food. And I love Mexican food too, bro.

[A]

Nome's one was damn near Pam Bondi level. What I. And to me, I look at that as. Never met the guy. Don't know him at all.

[B]

He seems like such a. I think

[A]

it's somebody that is such a chameleon, though.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And when you have committed yourself to trying to be everything to everybody that you no longer know who you are, and that's how things like that come out of your mouth without realizing you have again just stepped all over your crank.

[B]

I am whoever I think you want me to be. Yeah, that's him.

[A]

Which means you don't even actually know who you are.

[B]

Maybe he does, but he's just really good at playing the I'm who you want me to be.

[A]

God I don't think that speech landed well for him. A little bit more of a lead balloon. It won't be the end of him, though. I don't know.

[B]

I haven't seen a lot of African American folks talk about it. About it. I've seen mainly just like right wing pundits be like, dude, right wing meme accounts.

[A]

It won't be the end of him for sure. I think he'll probably lead the ticket.

[B]

He'll never. The way that California is set up, unless there is like some sort of major redistricting. It's always. It's got to be blue forever. Reagan that up.

[A]

Did you see the latest voting, though? In the last election? The red creep has usually been more inland. It is creeping closer and closer to the water. They had more, more red territory, for lack of a better word, in California than they had in quite some time. But not into the major. I mean, let's be honest. California is from a voting population. San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego. Deeply blue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And that. And that swings the whole state. Gavin Newsom, who would be his running mate.

[B]

Do they run Shapiro from Pennsylvania, the one that was supposed to get the vice presidential nodded.

[A]

Do you think they run Kamala again?

[B]

No, no, that. That crashed and burned. They won't do that again because she'll have to interview again. And she is a good. I talk the points. I read the, the teleprompter. She's not a good interview person.

[A]

Newsom actually can debate his ass off. He's very good. Obviously, we have a recent example of perhaps where he fell lower than his standard he would like to set. But he can talk his ass off.

[B]

Off. Well, yeah. Well, you said I can't read well because I'm dyslexic. Well, if your whole life has been, I need to talk my points through. Yeah. Or talk through the issues that I'm thinking because it's difficult for me to read and stay focused and have conversations. And that's how I learn. Yeah. You're going to have a hard time debating a guy who's talented and relies on his ability to learn. I mean, it's all verbal. Yeah.

[A]

I wonder who they will throw up there as their. Well, they'll be. They'll be. What usually starts with like a dozen people, probably.

[B]

Yeah, there's. There's a whole bunch of outliers. Some people just try to stay in as long as they can because they know somebody will flub and then that'll boost them or they get like a gotcha comment But I think the, the guy from Pennsylvania, Shapiro, who's like one of the original nods besides what's his face to run with Kamala, which I think is interesting. Whenever it's just like, yeah, Kamala raised a whole bunch of money when Tim Walls got him there and let the whole Samala he fraud thing going on.

[A]

Like, she also inherited a ton of

[B]

money from the Biden campaign because she stayed on it.

[A]

And that's why the primary hers, because otherwise they would have lost that money. Yeah, that's somehow forgotten.

[B]

So I'm an independent. I'm, I am an independent. I can't vote in primaries because I refuse to go on a team. And also I flip flop both ways. Now in New York, I primarily vote Republican because I think some of the left leaning issues have gotten us in some of the trouble. And I hate high taxes. But I forgot I was going, what were we talking about?

[A]

Kamala? Primary, losing money, not having access to the.

[B]

Oh, yes. But when I, when I saw that the Democratic Party was just like, hey, we're going to limit your choices intentionally, I was like, how do I vote for that? How do I vote for that, that party anymore?

[A]

How does it even limit your choices? It was, this is your choice.

[B]

Like, well, one, I was disgusted with how brain dead Biden was that they like, we're not going to acknowledge that he needs help. What they should have done is the second year and they should have been like, oh, he's burned out. Let's put Kamala in. We'll get a new vice president, somebody we can puppet and at least we'll, we'll have a chance in the next election or at least put a competent person in charge even if she just reads a teleprompter. Not a brain dead old man plan. One, that threw me. And then two, when they were like, we're going to choose for you Democratic Party. I was like, you're going to choose for your party?

[A]

Completely accept.

[B]

I was like, I can't.

[A]

They. They completely accept.

[B]

And those people are all in power now. And I'm like, I'm supposed to trust those people with like the same thing. Like, I know the Republican Party's got its own issues and I'll buck up against them all the time. I don't give a. He said I have no loyalty, but I'm, I can't think of a reason to vote Democrat because of this previous president for the near future while all these people are still in power. Power.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Chuck Schumer's still in after 80 freaking years.

[A]

He's just getting to understand the job takes time.

[B]

It takes time. That needs to be a term limit.

[A]

Totally agree. Totally, completely agree.

[B]

12 years as a governor or senator, like, that's enough. You got a decade plus. No, we're done.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

What.

[A]

Where'd the podcast idea come from? What do you mean you're starting your podcast?

[B]

Oh, I just saw everybody else doing it and I got a lot to say day, so I was just like.

[A]

What's it called?

[B]

Overserved.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

You and buddy.

[B]

Yours? Yep. We deployed together and we're both police and he's got a family. I'm starting a new one. It's like the service to country, community, your family. And we also get hammered together and have a good time. So we thought about it while we were drinking. Like, we're gonna. We thought about the podcast for a while. Yeah. But the name came while we were drinking. I was just like, hey, we're overserved. Right? Right now we want to be overserved. We've been over serving and so it was kind of like a. A tongue in cheek thing. Like, yeah, it's service related, but it's also. We booze.

[A]

How are you guys going to structure it? Weekly. Bi weekly.

[B]

We're going to start off. I want to. I want to start it off every three weeks. We got a couple episodes. We just. We just did two.

[A]

You guys got a studio?

[B]

Barely. It's like. It's my base basement. It's literally like the first episode. We talk about how we would love to have people's input on what we should do here, because I am a straight man with no decor experience. So it is. And. And personally, just being in, like, you know, entertainment, like live entertainment for as long as I have, I love a black box. You know, black box stages. No, it's exactly what it sounds like. It is a black stage and there is nothing in it. Sometimes it's 360, usually it's 180. But it's called a black box because there'll be like one chair in it or like one piece of whatever it is to help your mind kind of go, okay, that's the chair there in the living room. But the rest of the experience visually for you is made up in your mind. Your mind imagines and fills in the blank of that black space. So we literally have just black curtains and then like yellow and orange lighting because we're both from the 80s. So, yeah, we need more. It needs more knickknacks and, you know, things accoutrement on the wall.

[A]

This is like evolution number number five or six, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I needed people like JT to help me come up with design ideas.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then money, you know, which.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is.

[B]

I'm like, I'm trying to work on a skeleton budget. I spend my money on cameras. Yeah. And good microphones.

[A]

So that way, that's where you want to start.

[B]

You have to start there. So I was like, all right, the background's just going to be black curtains for now, and we'll. We'll figure it out as we go on. But also, that's kind of the fun thing is, like, you get when you start, you know, building a community around your podcast or you and your boys off or entertainment, whatever is, you start building that community. I like to get the input from people. You should do this. You should add that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna mail you something so you can put it up on the background. Okay.

[A]

Don't listen to all the input. You know, look for themes.

[B]

Rainbow dildo is not a good call. Noted. I didn't say that a lot of upvotes for that.

[A]

I didn't. I was gonna say listen for themes. If several people or many are looking for that, consider it themes.

[B]

Rainbow dildo theme.

[A]

No, it. I mean, I literally started audio only. And then one of the consistent themes was. We'd really like to be able to see.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I didn't understand how people consume the content because I was super late to the podcast game Brother.

[B]

I'm coming in now. Yeah.

[A]

The first time I was on Rogan's podcast, I had never listened to one name drop.

[B]

Well, he's a good friend. I know. Yeah.

[A]

And I really should have listened to the them or understood the size, scope, and scale of his audience, because I could have said less dumb things.

[B]

See, that's what I'm. I'm fine with my community being small. So I can say the dumb that I do. I say some stuff.

[A]

We all do. I would. You know, and I. I actually wouldn't change anything, but I was just. I didn't understand. So when people were hitting me up saying, add video, I'm like, you want to watch two people talk? Talking. This is odd to me. But then people reach out, like, listen. I'm listening to it in the background window at work, and if I hear something interesting, I like to go on there and see people's facial reactions. Okay. Got it. So I had one camera.

[B]

Well, I like to think about it as just an evolution of old media. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of how many times have people watched old men argue with one another on Crossfire for how many years that that show was on?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you would. You would. You would dedicate time. You would sit down after dinner every day to watch Crossfire. Yeah, yeah. You know, and if you think about

[A]

it, if you only had the audio, it wouldn't have been as cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You want to see, like, the emotion, the interaction.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I started with one camera. They're like, hey, that's a good start. Dip. But that's like wide angle. We still can't see anything. I was like, oh, okay, we need to have more cameras.

[B]

Yeah. Now you've got five.

[A]

Five.

[B]

Yeah, I got three. I've got two good ones.

[A]

Three is all you need.

[B]

That I got. I got the straight ons from my buddy and I.

[A]

We call that a cam, B cam. It's not a big deal. I don't know if that's what it's called, actually. I don't know.

[B]

And then I got. I got the long view one in the center, and it's. It's kind of fuzzy because it's. I don't know how to do lighting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So for the first two episodes, like, it's kind of fuzzy, and I kind of want to keep it that way. And I want to have the pullback cam be like a VHS recording. Yeah. Like, I want to have the two, like, where it's just him and I talking the one on ones. Yeah. Clear, 4K. Beautiful. Beautiful. And then I want to have the wide angle of the two of us together.

[A]

Like a 90s over the shoulder VHS.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Leave all the mistakes in there. I have so many episodes where, like, a camera battery has died halfway through, and I'll just put a picture of, like, my dog up on the. For the room.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Never accept defeat. Continue. Don't like.

[A]

Well, the audio is still good, guys. And if you were still there anyway, you already kind of knew what the person looked like and kind of the facial reactions. So here's my miniature dog, Dachshund.

[B]

Oh, yeah. You know, all in there. My buddy, he edits my videos now, and he's brilliant with, like, after effects and putting stuff together. He's a spaz like me, John. Good job. And I. He's done some. I like the unique aspect of our podcast because he'll actually throw in sketches or funny little bits or as we describe something, he'll, like, put me on, like, somebody's like a talking head on something and have me interact with some stuff, which is you don't see that on podcasts.

[A]

People love that though.

[B]

They do love that. I was like, that's an interesting thing to have on a podcast. Visually. I go, let's work with that. Let's do that. So I'm excited if a camera does go out but the audio is still good, that he'll like put me like, and splice my face onto different things whenever it's the hard cut.

[A]

To me, we're not, we're not that far away from. You could, if you wanted to, not even have cameras. And they could do like a cartoon. If they had a picture of you and your guest, they could create through a cartoon conversation back and forth between the two of you.

[B]

I thought about that too. I as much. It's like the dead Internet theory. I like AI as like a help or a jumping off point. Yeah. Or like, hey, I. I kind of want to show you what I'm seeing in my mind.

[A]

It's an amplifying tool. But it can't be the foundation.

[B]

It can't be the foundation because all it's doing is it's not taking anything original. It's taking everything that people have done one and then saying, I guess this is kind of what it should look like. If I put them together based on all these other things. It's not unique. This is like the only thing that I don't. It's not the only thing, but it's one of the things that I don't trust or like AI for is come up with this unique perspective. No. Quick research theory on a book. On a 300 million page document. Yeah, right. Awesome. That's what AI is great for. Boil it down for me. Give me the. Give me the.

[A]

And give me the names.

[B]

Yeah, I want the names.

[A]

Never going to get them. We're never going to get them.

[B]

No. That's when we get together.

[A]

There's 3 million more unreleased documents.

[B]

Just let me know when the revolution starts.

[A]

What do you think it would take to start it? I think it would be a very passive aggressive revolution, by the way. I think people are like, no, I'm not giving you my taxes, dude.

[B]

When people said we're going to boycott

[A]

taxes this year, let's say 100 million people are like, get on April 15th. What does the government do?

[B]

They'll print more money, but they'll also be like, oh, but is that the passive aggressive. I think that's br. I think, honestly, I think that because that, that happened with after Minnesota. There was like a large group of people that were Saying what if we just didn't pay our taxes this year? What if instead of taking the money of our bank accounts and not paying it forward to the federal government, we just held it and then let every single one of their auditors try to tell us how much we owe. And honestly I think that's a really good thing that I could get behind.

[A]

There is a number that at beyond what that point the government would be, it would work. I don't know what that number is though. I think it's a very big number. But if it ever eclipses that and that many people get on board, I think that could be the beginning of the passive aggressive revolution, which is. We'll call it from here on out.

[B]

I want the passive aggressive revolution. I don't want to shoot, I don't want to bank.

[A]

I tell people this all the time. Stop talking about civil war.

[B]

Yeah, that's bad. Then you're going to have people don't get like you were talking about insurgency. I'll talk about insurgency. You're going to have so many outside governments try to affect the physical civil war that would go on in the United States to make sure that both sides are so decrepit at the end that then they. We could be overrun by some other entity. Like we do not want a physical civil war, period. Because the amount of outside countries and agencies that would come in to just make sure that we kill ourselves instead of having them do it for us, like, oh, it's insane. Yeah. Yeah. That's the worst thing we could do is self employ. We need to do it passive aggressively. Yeah.

[A]

And again, money man, it's. It's what makes the clock the root of all evil. Well, I said this yesterday with Greg. The best example or metaphor I've ever heard about money was from my buddy John Wellborn who was a pro ball player for 10 years in the NFL. NFL?

[B]

Who'd he play for?

[A]

He played for the Kansas City Chiefs and he ended his career with the Patriots offensive line. Is that which part was gross?

[B]

All of it.

[A]

All of it. Okay. I'm assuming that's not your team.

[B]

Bill's fan. So the two.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Flies in the ointment for us.

[A]

Bills are better than the Giants.

[B]

Yeah, we're better than the Giants. We don't like you said Patriots, didn't you?

[A]

Yeah, I'm just. Isn't there another New York team? It's the Bills and the Giants.

[B]

There's only one New York team actually. The Giants and the jets are play out at New Jersey. The Bills are the only team that plays in New York.

[A]

New Jersey and New York are the.

[B]

The same.

[A]

I don't know. Study geography.

[B]

You're. Look, you're a bad person. You know that? You know, I don't think you. I don't. You have enough people out here telling you the straight. You're a horrible person on the inside, and I hope you one day you can change. I doubt it. Whatever.

[A]

I'm just saying they're really close.

[B]

Gross.

[A]

But John's. He watched people go from abject poverty to wealth overnight.

[B]

Oh, because the NFL.

[A]

Yeah. And he said money's just an amplification. Fire. If you're a good person, it gives you the ability to do more good. But if you are a bent compass. Standby.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I do think that there are people out there who are fantastically wealthy that are trying to do the absolute best that they can.

[B]

I think Elon Musk is one of them. Neuralink.

[A]

Oh, dude. I want him to let me jump off one of his rockets. That's all I want. Take it to like 50,000. I'll ride a lawn chair, which I feel I can sustain the G's on the top.

[B]

Top. Can you sustain the cheese?

[A]

I don't know. I mean, I feel like we could take off at a slower speed. He's landing the rockets. Can we have a takeoff speed that's like. I don't know. We'll just do like 120. You know what I mean?

[B]

How much fuel do you have to do? I don't know.

[A]

He's got. He's got enough.

[B]

You've done Halo, right? Yeah. Okay. I have a question for you. My ears popped when I did an actual skydive. Yeah.

[A]

It's change of pressure.

[B]

And they didn't. Couldn't unpop. And I had so much pain for like two days afterwards.

[A]

Did you try to Valsalva?

[B]

Yeah, it just. It would still. And I will never do it again because of that.

[A]

I would say you would be unlikely that it would happen again. But you said you do have allergies. I'd maybe hit it. Take a hit of Afrin in the day that you were going to do it. That is just a pressure differential as all. It is not uncommon. I've heard that some people, they're like, I can't hear.

[B]

Yeah. Try to get them muffled for like two, three days.

[A]

Yeah. You try to get them to Valsalva. It's just. It's just that you're going from a lower pressure system to a high.

[B]

High pressure system down. Yeah. Well, I know that that's how the thing works, but just how my body wouldn't. Correct. It was horrible.

[A]

Yeah, but that's AN N OF 1. You know what I mean? That's a shitty N of one. But I. You'd be unlikely for it to happen again, I think. Yeah. What else haven't we cut? We've been out literally for almost three hours. Did we cover?

[B]

Have we really?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I got to get to get you out of here for the airport in like 10.

[B]

There's only one. There's only one thing we haven't talked about. The Jews. This has got to get demonic so fast. No, we did. We talked about Masada and Epstein.

[A]

Michael.

[B]

I did my best to ruin it.

[A]

Mark that immediately for a standalone clip.

[B]

Yes, absolutely.

[A]

We haven't talked about the fact that we're in war with Iran or an operation is going on in Iran.

[B]

We talked about that when we got coffee.

[A]

Not what I thought I was going to wake up to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It seems like it's strategic airstrikes. I do not want to see boots on the ground anywhere else.

[B]

I don't know. Let's. I'm. Let them fight it out amongst themselves. I friend had said it. I agree with it. I'm tired of nation building. I love what we do with Venezuela. I like that we went in surgical strike. We stole a president from another country. That's unique. That's pretty unique. And then we said, all right, cool. If you don't want us to continue to yoink people, people, how about you have free and honest elections like you say you're having? It was kind of more of a bluff call. Right? You said that you're doing the good thing. We know you're not. You're doing the bad thing. Joint consequence. Gonna do the good thing now. And it looks like they are potentially everything could change. Yeah, I like that. Iran is its own can of worms. I will say that stern leadership and not democracy seems to be a better fit in the Arab worlds. In their culture, it seems to work better. You'd say better. Yeah. Right. So I think that with this potential overthrow of their government, which I think is good. I do not like the Iranian government. They do not like us. They're a thorn in the world side, not just ours. I think that us assisting it is cool. I think that the overwhelming amount of deaths from the protesting have finally shown Iranians that it's now or never. Their government is not there to help them. It is there to retain power and slaughter anybody who pushes back. I Think the crown prince, or I think he was the crown prince. Whatever it was, I think him coming back.

[A]

Back.

[B]

And either being some sort of interim monarch or a monarch slash parliamentary system like the United Kingdom has. Maybe that'll work. Maybe just a straight monarchy. I. That seems to work out the best over there. One guy, you do this. We're all on the same page. If you don't. Consequences. There seems to be the most productive form of government over there in the Arab world, in that Iranian peninsula. I mean, Saudi Arabia's got the crown princes, Right.

[A]

Who knows what's happened in the three hours we've been talking.

[B]

They sent missiles. I know that. They did a strike at, like, the uae. They bombed, like, the fifth Fleet in Bahrain, an old building. I don't know.

[A]

Stuff. Yeah. Heading back, which, I mean, you should expect a response, I'm sure.

[B]

Oh, yeah, obviously, I'm. They heard that they hit a US Ship, which is don't touch our boats. This number one rule. Don't touch the boats. I'm interested is the correct word to be sad, but I'm interested to see if there has been US Casualties from this. I'm excited to see what we're going to strike next. Who is. Who's been removed or eliminated from the Iranian form of government. Government. I know there's been a couple names that have been dropped out already that say that they're dead. Like the ayatollah might be dead already.

[A]

I tell you what. Israel is good as we were talking about the soft skills and, you know, when we did the strike last year, identifying all the scientists and just.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I mean, their intel.

[B]

Their intel is the best thing that they've got. That is. That is why Israel will stay around. Their intelligence gathering is insane chain for all the people that go. We don't need to send any money to Israel. Listen, it's not like we send them money and get nothing returned. Like, they are the intelligence hub of the entire world. I don't know how they did it. I'm sure I could read books and figure out how. But they're insanely talented in that intelligence gathering system. There is a quid pro quo relationship with the United States in funding military assistance. And Israel's intelligence gathering system, apparatus, whatever you want to call it, it's extremely impressive. And that's how they're gonna stay around. You know, he with more information wins generally. Yeah. It's like the dude in. It's like the bald eunuch in Game of Thrones. Yep.

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

I haven't I've only seen like the five. Five seasons.

[A]

I haven't seen clearly got.

[B]

I'm reading it right now. Are you reading it? I bought the books to collect them.

[A]

100 checks out that you would read them as opposed to watch. Are you gonna watch the shows after?

[B]

After? Yeah. Well, I. I listened to the first one and I was watching it while I was dog sitting hobby to catch up.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And now I'm reading the second. Nice.

[A]

This is for you.

[B]

I can't take that on the plane. Is.

[A]

Is a knife. I'll mail it to you. What's MKC Tactical Montana Knife Company Tactical. You should know what that means.

[B]

Are you. Are you owning it?

[A]

No. These are guys down. Just down in Missoula. They make really awesome knives. I don't think that one is up on the wall anywhere. All the knives you can see though are MKC blades. This is their redacted knife.

[B]

A redacted. Thinking about get a redacted tattoo. My wife has an amazing redacted tattoo. It is. I think it's David Statue of David. And it's got a. Or no, it's a female. I forget who it is, but she's got a black bar through her eyes. And I was like, have you dated anybody in the military? She's like, no. I go, not only is that amazingly artistic, it's hard as. And I want. And I want to get a matching one really bad, but I. I want to get dating it.

[A]

Yeah. This is more for you, for your military. Ooh, it's a cool blade.

[B]

I'm so thankful that it's not serrated. I. I don't. I don't need serrated.

[A]

Had I known that you didn't enjoy those, I would have made sure that they got me one. Even though I don't think they make a serrated blade.

[B]

You know why? Because they're a good knife company. I like this. Yeah.

[A]

I'll mail it to you. I'll just get your address.

[B]

Please do.

[A]

Michael send it to you?

[B]

I wouldn't do it, but I wanted to do it. I don't care.

[A]

You can stab the table.

[B]

I would want.

[A]

I want to.

[B]

It's just like one of the fun things you can do with knives.

[A]

What do you want to close out with working? Well, obviously angry cops. Even though you're not an angry cop. It's clever marketing the podcast though, where when up? When's it going to be up? When's it going to come out?

[B]

So we've got the two episodes done. It's the overserved podcast. My Face is going to be on it as well. My buddy Joe's and we're I'd like for it to come out at the end of March. Those dates could could slide forward or back because this will be a few

[A]

weeks, two or three weeks before it comes out anyway. So if you guys get it out in March, this actually might be good timing.

[B]

Yeah, well, it'll be like towards the end of March because we want to put out like a couple weeks of like, hey, this is coming y we're

[A]

going to have towards the end of March. So I think the timing is actually going to work well accidentally perfect.

[B]

I'll see you on the other channel. Go directly there and don't watch another interview from Andy at all. Ignore him and come directly to my thing. Ah, that sounds rude. I don't want to.

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No, it's perfect ending.

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