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Okay, I got the red smoke. Sun runs north to south west of the smoke.
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West of the smoke. Okay, copy. West of the smoke.
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I'm looking at danger close now.
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Come on with it.
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Give it to me.
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I mean, it cleared hot.
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Campaign cleared hot. We'll do it live.
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B
Do you think he has a trustworthy face?
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Yeah, I think he does. Yeah. Yeah, he's got one of those.
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B
Like, what would you buy from groceries?
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No, I might buy like an app. Like some kind of financial planning app. Really? Yeah.
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B
I thought you were going to mean entertainment.
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No, no, like. Like here, I'll help you like organize your accounting for your taxes. I mean, I mean, it's good. Better than my accountants.
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Dude, there's a lot of people and for a lot of reasons that I think you would understand that people would envy your position in life. You've had a little bit of a rough last year, which we'll get into. Yeah, but growing up in the family that you did. Semi, not very, but semi recognizable last name. Like I said, it never really caught on in the U.S. yeah, it was
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just, you know, it's like to Hasselhoff in Germany.
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Totally. You never, you know, there was no TV show around your family at the formative years in your life that probably created any additional stress or pressure.
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Y.
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But it's. We were talking about it today, man, there are problems regardless of the type of life that you are living. Hundred percent broke, completely broke. Living on the streets, which I don't wish on anybody, has a layer of problems. The world that you live in. And I love that we could sit down and talk about it because I have no interaction with it. At the end of those conversations, half the time I leave with I don't know if it is as enticing as it may appear from the outside because we should definitely not get into the accountant issues. But they were horrible.
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Yeah. Dude, accountants are fucking evil.
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But also necessary.
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They are.
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And I wonder if they made it that way.
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I think it is. I think. Well, especially, you know, in. In the time in which that I began earning money, you know, like 15. This is.
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You're talking TV show.
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TV show.
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How do you even. I'll assume that the amount of money was relatively good.
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Mm.
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How do you. How does the 15 year old brain
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comprehend that I was really. I was kind of naive to a degree to it because I. I was still living at home. I started earning really, I mean, substantial money, like seven figures when I was 15 years old. And I didn't, I didn't buy shit. I wasn't like a super spendy kid. Like, I wasn't.
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Did you need to, though? I don't know if you know this. Your parents probably do okay as well.
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Yeah, but my parents kind of. Once we started earning, once I started earning and like, having money, like, it was funny. Like, my parents were. I'm actually very grateful for this. Like, the moment I turned 18, my parents turned around and were like, here's your cell phone bill. Here's your health insurance. You're a man now. You're 18 years old. Like, this is you.
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I think that's the way.
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A
Yeah.
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You and I both know examples of people where that wasn't the way and they never develop a sense of what would be the word maybe grounding in real life.
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Yeah.
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No perception whatsoever. No appreciation either. Just, oh, I misplaced something. That's five, six figures.
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Yeah, whatever.
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Yeah, fetch me another.
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Yeah, yeah, no, it's. And so, dearest daddy, fetch me another one. Send forth the briefcase of money. Yeah. And then it happens. But the funny thing, there's such a public perception that, like, you know, not that I ever engage in comments, but it's like, oh, this, you know, or whatever. It's like, dude, I've been working since 15 years old and I've been responsible for that since I was 15 years old. And like, it's. And you. And back then, there was no AI to help you with finances, was books, there was like. And so you consult specialists, like accountants and lawyers and financial planners, and you hope to find what is the simplest solution, which is that person to be like, hey, I got you. Like, don't worry, I got you. And it is the biggest. I'm not saying they are all like this, but my experience, by and large, has been very disappointing with those people.
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Do you think it's mostly word of mouth? Because I'm trying to figure out how you would test run an accountant. It would almost need a year.
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Yes.
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And maybe it goes great, maybe it doesn't. But then you would need to test run the accountant that you are going to have fix those issues. Yeah, I feel like it would be a lot of word of mouth.
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You know, I equate it to dating like a psychopath. That first year, it's like, oh, my God, this woman's amazing. Like, she's doing. She's cooking and cleaning and like, she's like the greatest girlfriend ever. And she's there when I call her and. And then it's like when. When it's like that relationship is solidified and you. And you're like, oh, wait, this is turning into obsession. Like this person is trying to.
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Like she's watching you sleep from the end of the bed.
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Yes, like this. And waiting until you're not looking. And then like just doing, just doing like my man, my lost accountant did me so dirty as I was telling you. And I'm still, I'm still picking up those pieces. It's terrible.
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I wonder if you all will have faith back in that system. But I almost think the key is the heavy handed or heavy handed enough approach where they know that you're engaged and involved because I feel it's the space. And you were saying that again, I'm talking about a world I've never experienced. But I was asking you in the circle of friends that you know when these people will approach you and just say, hey, just be the artist. Don't you just want to be you? We'll handle everything.
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But you've experienced it in a way that it might not necessarily be an accountant, but people in business, how they say one thing, they're doing another, or they're not doing what they say they're going to do.
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It breaks your, your trust in humanity
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100% because you're like, wait, I trust you said, I trusted you. Like, and it's, it's really hard to kind of come back from that because it's, I'm at the end of the day, I'm, you know, the Uncle Sam is calling me when there's a problem. It's not like, you know, it's calling my accountant being like, hey, bro, like, they don't. And you sign away. They have you sign contracts. Which basically is like, oh, we are not responsible for any f ups with the, you know, IRS or, you know, whatever, tax, state, tax board or whatever.
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I wonder if you would see a doctor that made you sign those same type of things. I don't know if you would.
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Yeah.
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Do accountants have accountants? I think like the guy who screwed you over, does he go to his buddy and say, hey, I need you to do me right? Cause I did this guy dirty and
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I have to, I'd have to hide this. I think they just know the secret sauce how to hide it.
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As far as I know, when the federal government comes off to accountants, they hold. It's like, we are not giving you any leeway. We are coming for you.
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Because that's kind of fair.
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Yeah.
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That's their profession.
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Yep.
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I feel. I feel okay with that.
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Yeah.
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It's a dirty world, man. Well, first off, you're never getting away from it. Even what you slightly unpacked. We'll just call it the Battlestar Galactica of the family business. Holy cow, dude.
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Yeah, it's a lot.
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You are not going to be done in a matter of weeks or months. You're going to be done, I think, in a matter of years.
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Yeah, there's a lot of wading through, a lot of. A lot of bullets right now.
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Yeah. How you doing with it all?
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I'm okay. It's, you know, it's ups and downs. You know, I drove out here with my buddy Cole, and we were talking about the kind of. Just the all the kind of business side of things since my dad died. It's kind of distracting from, like, the grief of it to where you're like, oh, God. I'm like, I'm grieving the loss of this, you know, important person, but yet there's all this stuff we gotta take care of. And it's just this strange, like, how do I focus my energy and it's so stressful.
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I tried to check in on you, but also give you your distance at the time. It's. It's tough, man. I lost my mom in my 30s, and all I can say about grief is I don't think there is a journey or a path. Everybody is on their own. Walk with it. And there would be times, years, where I would feel like I was very, very well accustomed to my mom being gone. One of the things that scrambled my eggs the most as I accidentally pulled up a voicemail her years later. Holy cow. And the fact that it was unexpected. I don't know how I got onto it. Yeah, that one pulled me back into it for a bit. But I think it's okay to go through those seasons. Don't put pressure on yourself. There's. I mean, again. Plus, you guys, there's a lot.
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Yeah. And it. And like, the cool thing is like, you know, I've had those moments where, like, some weird will happen, you know, like. Like, oh, no. Like, go pull me back into just thinking about my dad. And it's like I'm okay with it. Like, in a weird way, it's like I'm okay with like the pain of it because I think it's. It's. It's. What's that? You know, that cliche, you know, the. What is it? The pain you feel is like a measure of how much you loved them. And it's like. It's like, hey, that's okay. It's the price we pay.
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I think you'll come to appreciate those moments I have. Because you will. Years from now. You'll live large portion of your day or week or month. It won't cross your mind as much as it does now. I've learned to appreciate those points where I'm a little bit stopped in my tracks and pulled into it. Because it's always going to be my mom.
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Right.
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And I don't have the vocabulary for the impact that she had on my life. But also, life happens. And now I'm a father to three children as well. And all the stuff that goes with that, it's complicated. I'm glad to see that you're doing well, though. How long after that final concert did he pass?
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What was it, 17 days?
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Did you have any indication when you were there that he might have known he was coming to the end the time? Like, again, random thing. Random thing happens in life.
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Yeah.
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But oh, my. Like you were saying at the coffee shop or doing jiu jitsu, World's greatest
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mic drop World's greatest mic drop ever.
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Yeah. I mean, holy hell.
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Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't write it. Yeah, I think I did. You know, I. There was a couple. I just had this feeling, you know, just weird.
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Well, you had dealt ever since I first met you many years ago at origin camp. I think your dad was going through surgery the very first year. So it's not as if. And I see this, my own father who turns 80 in January. Age is real. It's coming for us all. Not me, of course. I'll live forever.
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Yeah. Just keep, you know, doing what you're doing.
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The man. I mean, I can look at my dad, you know, for three and a half decades down the road and say, okay. And I do notice things and I notice more things. So, I mean, I know that time is fine. My father will pass at some point. And it's. I know you were dealing with it for quite some surgeries and stuff like that. Like the nerve stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, I had like a sense of it. And we all kind. I mean, he was so. People, you know, we've spoke, I've spoken about this, but he was so sick leading up to the show. So much so that two weeks before the show, he went back into hospital in England and like, pneumonia type sick or what? No, he. So he got, he took a fall and he fractured two vertebrae in his back and they went and did that like cement stuff where they like, you know, seal the bones. And he got sepsis in like January of 25. And sepsis when you're, you know, when you're sick in your 70s, it's. It's amazing that he kind of pulled through it. And they had him on like IV antibiotics for like two months. And it just rocked him as it does. Yeah. And he just had all these kind of cascading, like, issues and leading right up. The show was like on again, off again. It was just, it was ping pong. And two weeks before, the doctor was like, dude, like, you, you shouldn't be doing this. And he's like, I'm doing it. And you know, it's. I, I kind of saw, you know, it. He wanted to do it more than anything. And it was like, okay, dude, like you're a, you know, like, this is your journey. Like, we're here to support it. Whatever you want to do. If you want to cancel it, we'll support it. If you want to go, like, it's all in. And. And I just. Yeah, he was like, let's go.
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And so, yeah, my mom passed about two weeks After I got home from my last deployment.
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Wow.
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And in talking to my dad and my sister, they both think that she was. And not negatively so, but holding on to make sure that she got to see me again. I wonder if there was an aspect of that for your father saying, I'm gonna get through this. And then shortly afterwards for my mom, her decline was pretty precipitous.
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Yeah, it was kind of strange. Cause at the. So at the show, it's actually the one year anniversary is like on Sunday.
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Is it really?
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Yeah.
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From the show of Jaco smiling for
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the first time of Jocko smiling. He was like, when the Grinch is hot. Just.
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He had to have been side stage or backstage.
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Here's the. Here's the thing about Jocko. Like he socially engineered his way everywhere. Like he was like up in the mix and yes. On side of the stage. Yeah, it was great, man. I. I loved. I was running into him all day and he just had this big old smile on his face.
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Good for him.
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Yeah. He had the best time and I'm so glad he was there. He. But like that. So on the floors at the. On the. Thursday before the show. So the show was on Saturday and they sound checked all the bands and stuff and they did like a big photo shoot with everyone that was performing and I was hanging out and in the, in the backstage with a bunch of guys and I was sat there with the guys from Metallica and Lost was like, man, this is awesome. He's like, I love this because usually when. When it's like this kind of reunion, it's at someone's funeral and. And I was kind of like, yeah, you know, I was like. But this exact. I said something along the lines of, except this is like a happy day. And he was like, yeah, totally. But it kind of was. It was like a bit of a living wake in a weird way. He saw people that he hadn't seen in 30 years and you know, he got to say hi and give people hugs and. Yeah, yeah, it's a trip. It's a really kind of strange. Like, did that just happen? Like, did that really. You know. And only, only he could have an exit like that. Like, come on. Like, who gets to do that?
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Not me.
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Yeah, like not me.
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Like the outpouring afterwards as well was that had to have as a family felt. I don't want to say comforting, but it had to have helped at least in some way.
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Yeah. And it was, it was weird because I never thought it would be like that because I never thought of it, you know, I didn't ever think of, you know, I don't think anyone ever thinks of their parent passing. And what will the public think? Because I'm not. That's just not in my. How will the public react to my parents? It's like all I know is how I'm gonna react.
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Yeah. He's in a unique situation for sure, in comparison to almost everybody on Earth.
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Yeah. And it was just like, I was just the whole time I was the focus for me was like, what's, you know, man, what's that day gonna be like? And it was certainly not what I expected.
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Yeah. You actually. You weren't over in England when it happened, right? You were back in the U.S. yeah, it was rough. Yeah.
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I just got back and. But in a weird way, I'm kind of. Kind of grateful in a way because I got to spend like a week. I got to spend a week with him at the house post concert, Post concert with my kids. And it was like, man, it was great. It was chill. He was. He was laughing. We were like, you know, in England we have the tabloid newspapers. So like every, you know, day after the show, there was like another article about the gig and like all these memes. And it was the first time he'd done a gig where. Cause he wasn't on social media before he got injured. Cause he was like, why do I need to get, you know, be on social media, I guess. And so by this point, he'd had. He had TikTok and Instagram and he was like seeing stuff coming through his feedback and he was like. It was like instant response. And so he was kind of like laughing at all like. And like stoked at all the, you know, social media buzz about it. And it was just. Yeah, it was funny. It was just like an interesting thing to see. And I remember I came, I came in, I had this newspaper and I was like, dad, look at this article. And they're just like, you know, gushing over him. I'm like, look, he's like, he looked at me, goes, a lot of fucking good that does me. I'm retired now.
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B
When you say you're over in England, I just imagine you on grassy filled estates with stone buildings, wearing top hats.
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Yes.
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Monocles. A butler is bringing you a tray of paper. Your children are in three piece with tails. Why does that come? I mean.
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But that's because how it is in England.
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Some of England.
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I mean, some of England. Not our kind of England weirdos.
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Do you still have king and queen?
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Yeah, we do we do.
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Do they really have that much power anymore?
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I don't know. A part of me thinks this is probably an element of influence because, like, they meet with the Prime Minister once a week, which is. There's got to be some kind of influence there. Like, if the Prime Minister is gonna do something crazy. And I'm sure the king would be like, yeah, I don't like that. Like, it's gotta count for something.
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Do you think the Prime Minister could override what the King says?
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I think so, yeah. Yeah.
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So they are. Well, if that is the case, then, yeah, it's more of a status thing.
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It's like status and influence. Because. Because in England we have, like, the House of Commons and the House of Lords and Parliament. Lords, Lords. And, like, the House of Lords is kind of like. I feel like that's a little more aligned with, like, you know, British Aristotle. It is British aristocracy. And here's the crazy thing about Lords. If you're a lord and you have a son, your son becomes a lord when you die. So you're automatically in the House of Lords.
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What are they doing there? Other than reverse handjobs, allegedly.
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There is, like, legislation that they can pass and, like, certain date, there is government things that they can do. But it's totally optional. How much? To my knowledge, not that.
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B
Yeah. Michael, pull up a picture of the House of Words. I want to see. First off, I want to see what they're wearing. Are we talking powdered wigs?
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I don't know if they wear powdered wigs. I think it's a little more.
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Yeah.
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Oh, wait. No, it is. Maybe it is. Yeah. You have, like. You have.
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Sometimes the House of Lords appears like people are on vacation. Holy shit. Look at the ones in the bottom right, Michael.
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Yeah, look at them. Look at that.
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I just see that. To me, when I see that, I'm thinking, Tuesday, London. Do they go to Starbucks in that or do they have it to go?
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I just think it's insane that they wear that still.
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I was. That's what I was going to say next. I get the tie to the culture. I get the historic nature of that. But it's 20, 26.
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But I get. Here's what I do like, though, about, like, legalities with, like, wearing the robes in court. I like that. Because the reason why they wear robes is so every, you know, both the prosecution and the defendant's lawyers, they all look the same. So you can't. So juries can't look at a lawyer wearing a fancy suit. It's kind of like a. It's like wearing GI in jiu jitsu.
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Well, it's levels of playing field. You can't have a guy show up in a $25,000, you know, Savile Row suit. Italian. Yeah. And the other dude's a public defender
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with half of their shirt untucked. Totally.
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And chili em.
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It's like an even playing field.
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Yeah. I mean, in the age of where maybe 10 years for working from robots now or for the robot overlords. I think we can ditch the powdered wigs.
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I think so. I think so. I think it's probably time.
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B
Yeah.
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You know, they're all like, in England, they're like, I'll get rid of the monarchy. I'm like, why don't we start there? Why don't we start with getting rid of the powder wigs? And, you know, But I, I, in England, though, I do. I like the culture of the monarchy. I don't necessarily like, but I like that there's tradition there, and I like that it represents that because I think tradition's important.
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B
Are you a dual citizen?
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I am a dual citizen. Yeah.
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B
How does that work? Do you have two passports?
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I do.
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Can you travel with both of them on you, or do you have to. Okay, yeah.
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And I, when I go to England, I can, like, I have to enter on a British passport.
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B
What would happen if you tried to enter on your American passport?
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They don't like it. And apparently they get weirded out by it. Yeah. It's like, I think it's some recently new law that got passed, but I'm having, like a weird thing. I don't know why every time I come back into the country now, I'm getting pulled into secondary screening. And last time I came through immigration, they were like, oh, it's because a guy has a similar name to you, and we're just making sure you're not the guy. And I'm like, yeah, but surely there's a picture of said guy.
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Yeah. You know all the cameras that I walked by on the international terminal to get to the customs declaration point and the one you have me stand in front of? Those aren't good indications.
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Yeah, exactly. I'm pretty sure I'm not like, whatever. And they won't tell me the guy's name, but I'm like, this is getting annoying.
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B
Sometimes I feel like they flag people just because they want to meet them and talk to them.
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A
Yeah.
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And it's not like they have to declare that.
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Well, here's the crazy thing. I went through I got pulled to like this because I have Global Entry. They, like, pulled me to, like, the verification.
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B
Of course you do. Privileged.
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A
Yeah, totally. Right, because no one can get Global Entry.
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B
Only a select few. Yeah.
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When I, you know, when I'm on my private plane and Economy plus, you privileged bastard. So when I go through and the woman was like, oh, sorry about this. Yeah, no, you're all good. Sends me through, I'm getting my luggage and then over the speaker system, Jack Osborne, return to the desk. And I was like, what the fuck? And so I go back up and was like, sorry, I have to take you to secondary screening. I know you're not the guy, but it's saying I have to take you to secondary screening. Annoying. They're off to me, man. They're off to me.
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B
I wonder why, though, if they were after you.
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A
I know, I've like, sama, Ben, Jack. Yeah, watch it.
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B
I mean, your Internet search history has probably got you on a few lists as it is anyway. Just your love of Ukrainian warfare, all those videos. God, you gotta be careful how deep you go down that rabbit hole, man.
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A
Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's like I have to. I do. I do have to put myself in check in some of those, like, weird war videos. I go through spurts.
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B
I am, to a degree surprised that we have not seen a weaponized drone attack in the US by just from a crazy person.
- [23:27]
A
Well, it nearly happened at the ufc.
- [23:29]
B
I know it was reported that it nearly happened. I don't trust everything that I read, see and hear. I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, we were talking. I'm here to give zero people ideas on what to do. But let's just say the tech is. It exists readily available. If you have a credit card and an Internet connection, you could figure it out. I'm surprised it hasn't happened, and I'm not looking forward to the day that it does, because I do believe it's a certainty. But, man, I really think that changes things.
- [23:57]
A
Yeah, no, it's. It's going to be a very strange day because it's a matter of time, man. It's like. Because it's all. Anything that they're doing in Ukraine has now bled into the Middle East. All those crazy offshoot of isis, they're all doing it. And Pakistan and India. It's like, it is not a. It's not an isolated, you know, tool being used solely in Ukraine.
- [24:21]
B
How big was the security footprint at the ufc?
- [24:26]
A
It was wild. It was wild. There was like five rings of security to get to the actual mini arena
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B
that they built, plus probably 10 you didn't see.
- [24:34]
A
Oh, easily. Well, the crazy. Once you got into the arena. Yeah, there was these platforms all the way around, and there was Secret Service. And I. I kind of. I thought that they were. It was facial recognition technology because it was like this square box and it wasn't binoculars. This guy was just going. Scanning everyone with this square little box thing. And I thought maybe it was some kind of facial recognition tech that they were, like, just snapping everyone's face.
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B
I enjoyed the headline where you were accused of being a fascist for pretending. What world are we living in, dude?
- [25:08]
A
It's so insane. I just thought it was funny at the end of the day. I mean, I was like, really? And, like, the people.
- [25:13]
B
Did your wife find it as hilarious?
- [25:15]
A
She. She did until they started saying things about, like, our kids and my dad. And, like, that's when she. And I was like, babe, just stop reading the comments because those people, like, you can't. Nothing I say or do or. You could never appease that.
- [25:30]
B
It may not be people either.
- [25:31]
A
No, no. Some definite. Some bot farms are just, you know, doing their thing. But I. Listen, man, I had a great time, and it was an amazing experience.
- [25:40]
B
So once you were in the inner ring of security, did you have assigned seats or could you float around a little bit?
- [25:44]
A
Yeah, assigned seats. In between the fights and, like, commercial breaks, there was a lot of people floating about, and it was kind of wild because I looked at it and I was like, oh, this feels like the Oscars for, like, the Grammys for Washington, D.C. because it was every. Every person you see on CNN or Fox just. They were all just like, brewing out.
- [26:05]
B
Hard pass. I don't think I would. I have nothing to talk with those people.
- [26:09]
A
No, I didn't. I. You know, there was a couple of people I spoke to that were actually really nice and cool, and I was like, oh, right on. Like. But me and my wife were just, like. It was just fishbowl for us. We were just, like, looking at it all go down.
- [26:20]
B
How were the fights in person?
- [26:22]
A
They were rad. And it was because it was such a small. There was what, 3,000 people?
- [26:27]
B
I think they said four.
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A
Okay. So it was a small.
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B
South lawn is not. It's tough.
- [26:32]
A
Yeah.
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B
Most people in the US Actually confuse the Capitol building for the White House because in most movies, they'll do that circular panning shot around the Capitol building, and people think it's the White House. The White House is not that big.
- [26:41]
A
No.
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B
Nor is The South Lawn, which, as of today, is getting a helicopter pad put into the South Lawn, and people are losing their shit.
- [26:47]
A
Oh, wow.
- [26:48]
B
Well, the grass was already dead.
- [26:50]
A
Oh, interesting. I see. What's. This is like a strategism. There's a whole game plan here.
- [26:54]
B
Yeah. So he's laying concrete on the South
- [26:56]
A
Lawn, but does the helicopter pad open up? And there's an underground layer that the helicopter goes into. And.
- [27:01]
B
Michael, make a note. We'll have to edit that out. We can't release classified information just because you've been there and obviously talked to people.
- [27:08]
A
It's true. Yeah. No, it's. No, but it was. The cool thing about it was I just kept having this moment with my wife where I kept looking at her, and I'm like, is this really happening? I'm, like, watching guys beat the piss out of each other in the fights. It was pretty quiet. You can, like. You could hear the sm. I mean, you could see the blood spray. I was like, what's gonna happen if, like, blood gets sprayed on the. You know, on the president? Like, is there, like a. Like, what happens there? Yeah, but it was. It was cool. I just a wild thing to experience, just to be like, yeah, I watched men beat the shit out of each other legally, you know, on the south lawn of the White House.
- [27:44]
B
Every fight ended in a knockout. That Topuria Gaethje fight, dude, bloodbath. I mean, I'm sure that guy will heal up, but he left that arena looking a little bit different than he entered.
- [27:57]
A
Yeah.
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B
And Gaethje looked like he had just taken a nap. I don't know what his skin is made out of or his moisturizing routine, but it should be studied. I would buy a Gaethje cream.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, it just like.
- [28:11]
A
Just unicorn tears and, you know. Yeah, that was. It was. It was. It was full on. And the. But it was. I mean, man, though, just. The whole. Whole event was.
- [28:20]
B
So Dana just call you up?
- [28:22]
A
No. What happened? I have a friend who's friends with Dana, and I was just sat. Like, just joking around. I was like. I was like, yo, text your boy Dana and see if I can get into the fight. And I thought he was. He was just kind of being like, yeah, right. Whatever. And he's like, okay. And he texted him. And Dana was like, absolutely. I'd, like, love to have him. And I'm like. I was like, this is so cool and want to something really funny. So the superstructure that goes over that was over the arena. Sorry. The octagon that originally was built for U2.
- [28:51]
B
Really?
- [28:52]
A
Yeah. And I just thought it was so funny that, like, U2's lighting rig is what they used.
- [28:58]
B
U2 would be very upset. Would be.
- [29:01]
A
He would be very upset.
- [29:02]
B
And his purple sunglasses somewhere. I'm not a fashion icon, so I'm not gonna judge it. I'm just saying I would never.
- [29:09]
A
I thought you were.
- [29:09]
B
Dude. No. Leah is surprisingly still married to me, even based off of the other day she came home, I was wearing board shorts and cowboy boots, and she just. Because I got a new pair of boots, I was breaking them in.
- [29:19]
A
Okay.
- [29:20]
B
She just looked at me and just said, what. What exactly are you doing right now?
- [29:25]
A
I think you and I had a conversation about cowboy boots. And you said, I'm not a cowboy boot guy. This was years ago, though. Have you now?
- [29:32]
B
Well, I went to an event at the Medal of Honor Museum in Arlington.
- [29:36]
A
Cool.
- [29:36]
B
And the dress code was Texas formal, which I had to Google. And then I just asked somebody from Texas, and he said, have you ever seen the show Landman? And I said, yes. And he goes. Dressed like that. I was like, perfect. So jeans, cowboy boots, collared shirt. I didn't have a huge belt buckle, big hat. No. I didn't feel comfortable with that. I feel like that would have been stolen Ballor.
- [29:55]
A
Yeah.
- [29:56]
B
So didn't go cowboy hat. But I had an old pair of boots from maybe a decade ago, literally the first time I had worn them. But I had some boot envy when I was looking around there and I saw people. They're the ostrich boots.
- [30:09]
A
Yeah.
- [30:10]
B
Son of a. Yeah.
- [30:12]
A
It's a thing, man.
- [30:13]
B
It is a thing.
- [30:13]
A
Texas formal is very much a thing.
- [30:15]
B
Yeah. So I got a pair of boots after leaving there, and I just wanted to make sure that they fit well. And I'd happen to be wearing shorts and a T shirt and boots. And Leah came home and questioned why she married me for that particular reason that day. Not that that doesn't happen often, but
- [30:30]
A
I'm getting, like, a Vegas vacation vibe. Like, you know, the. The crazy uncle they go visit, and I feel like he was wearing, like, cowboy boots and board shorts.
- [30:38]
B
I mean, it worked. They're. They're comfortable. They're quite comfortable.
- [30:40]
A
They're easy. They're easy to travel on. Just because you can just slip them on and off when you're going through, it'll secure a day.
- [30:46]
B
I haven't done that yet. I don't know if I have the confidence in myself to just wear them day to day. Not a rancher. I'm worried about rancher stolen valor or cowboy stolen valor. It's a thing.
- [30:58]
A
It is, yeah.
- [30:59]
B
I don't want to be the Tim Kennedy of cowboys.
- [31:02]
A
Oh, we going. There we go.
- [31:06]
B
It's already been gone.
- [31:08]
A
I saw a little blip where you.
- [31:09]
B
There's nothing to do other than. God, I wish he would have taken a different tact, man.
- [31:14]
A
Yeah, it was kind of a weird move.
- [31:16]
B
Everything he had done was enough. And I think a lot of people fall into that, victim of that, and they want to add to it or layer to it and I don't know why. And I haven't asked him and talked to him since. I talked to him briefly before I put the very short episode out that I did just to let him know that I was going to. Haven't talked to him since then. So.
- [31:33]
A
Yeah, so it's a. It's a. It's strange. But, you know, you. You kind of see it in, I think a lot. I don't necessarily think it's solely. I think there's more impact in it when a veteran does it just because of the implic. You know, what. What's involved with. Yeah. What you guys do. But you see it all the time in entertainment and in sport of like, people kind of being like, I'm the man. I'm the man. And it's, you know, ego's a. Ego is not your amigo. And it's easier said than done, for sure. Yeah.
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B
What else you've been the news for? Let's see. People that you were dying of starvation.
- [32:04]
A
Yes. Yeah. Not true. Not true.
- [32:06]
B
They're like, jack, what are you sponsored by Wegovy or whatever those things. Well, you did a survival show on an island.
- [32:14]
A
Yeah, I did. I went into like the Australian jungle for like a month and was given like 500 calories a day to survive.
- [32:20]
B
Why are you doing this to yourself?
- [32:21]
A
I do. I had the best time. It was the best vacation I've ever been on. Even though it was filmed the whole time. You don't know because you don't see the cameras, but.
- [32:28]
B
What do you mean you don't see the cameras?
- [32:29]
A
They're all hidden. I mean, you know they're there and like, you see. I mean, you see them, but they look like coconuts. Some. Some are like, literally look like rocks. And you just see a rock, like, move.
- [32:39]
B
Okay, hold on. What's the. Is the show out yet?
- [32:41]
A
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was. It's.
- [32:42]
B
Did you win?
- [32:43]
A
No, I made it to like the second to last day. Yeah. But I had the best time Because I had no phone, I had no email, I did not know what was going on in the news. I was like complete, you know, it was like being the most off grid I've ever been while being the most on grid I've ever been. Because it's a live show every day. It was live every day? Yeah.
- [33:02]
B
Alright, so what was the premise? So how do they even approach you with this? And why did you even consider it?
- [33:06]
A
Okay, so it's a British TV show called I'm a Celebrity. Get Me out of Here. It's been around for 25 years and I've always been like, anytime they've called, I've been like, no, no. And they called and it was a really great amount of money in December right before Christmas. And I'm like, okay, presents don't buy themselves. Exactly. And I was like, I called my wife first and I was like, do I do this? She's like, do you want to do it? And I was like, well, maybe she's like, okay, then do it. If it's a maybe that's like more yes than no. Do it. You know, called my mom and she was like, absolutely, do it. What are you crazy? And I was like, okay. And so I just went and I had such a great experience and it was, was it.
- [33:47]
B
They were removing people or people would quit.
- [33:50]
A
You get voted out. So you're in for like 10 days no matter what. And then at the 10 day, the British public vote and so you get voted out as it goes.
- [33:58]
B
Michael, pull this up. This is ridiculous.
- [34:01]
A
And it's like Survivor meets Fear Factor. Cause you gotta do these crazy gross challenges. Like, you know, drink a smoothie made of like goat testicles and dude, I went full. I went full like.
- [34:15]
B
You went full something. What are we gonna classify this at? Hold on. Are you wearing a fleece vest?
- [34:20]
A
Yes. Because as you know, in the jungle it can get pretty cold.
- [34:23]
B
Yeah. Collared shirt underneath that because you never know when you need to hop in a business meeting. A bandana of some type of urban camouflage. Of course your glasses.
- [34:34]
A
Duh.
- [34:34]
B
Yeah. You're not going to go contacts in the jungle. That'd be gnarly.
- [34:37]
A
Yeah.
- [34:37]
B
Did you have to create your own living quarters?
- [34:43]
A
They give you. No, they give you a living quarter and they give you. You win food. So like the more you get stars and each star, you know, equates to one portion of food, so the more stars that your people go out and win, you get portions of food. And like it did, but it was like, dude, it was, it Was great, man. I had, like. I was in there with people that some of them I had. Knew. Knew of.
- [35:04]
B
Yeah.
- [35:05]
A
Some I, you know, had met one, you know, one woman in there I'd met in passing throughout the years. But it was. It was great. It was so much fun. And I was. I admittedly was way too qualified to be in there because I was. I've done enough outdoorsy to where I was like, this is easy.
- [35:20]
B
Yeah.
- [35:21]
A
But, yeah, it was. It was great.
- [35:23]
B
Yeah. They didn't research you well, actually, the first time you and I met was at a shooting competition. Yeah. We were on the same team. I forgot that.
- [35:29]
A
Yeah.
- [35:30]
B
I thought we had met at origin, but no, I knew you from before then.
- [35:32]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [35:33]
B
They didn't do their research.
- [35:34]
A
No. I was like, this is Justin Gaethje
- [35:36]
B
was at that same. That's when I met him as well, too.
- [35:38]
A
He was. That's right. He was there. Yes.
- [35:41]
B
Such a nice man.
- [35:42]
A
Yeah. Yeah. That was.
- [35:43]
B
Hoist. Was there.
- [35:43]
A
Yeah, that was. That was a great event. I'm bummed that SIG stopped doing it.
- [35:47]
B
Yeah. The weather. I mean, basically, we're fighting in the fog of World War II. Did we start one station and then they stopped, or did we not even start?
- [35:57]
A
We. They remember. They give you. We had the dry run day where they kind of give. Show you all the courses of fire and they let you kind of get it.
- [36:04]
B
Yeah. And then the next day, the fog rolled in.
- [36:06]
A
Yeah, yeah. And then we stopped and started.
- [36:09]
B
And that woman was in her shorts because that was her thing.
- [36:12]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's her name?
- [36:14]
B
I don't know.
- [36:15]
A
Yeah. Survival. Survivalist.
- [36:18]
B
So, okay, you're out there. Can you destroy other people's lodging and steal their stuff?
- [36:24]
A
You can. You can start in the past. It gets shitty and people will do that Survivor thing where they, like, will, you know, click up and start talking shit and this.
- [36:35]
B
That.
- [36:35]
A
But I went in there with, like. I was like, fuck this. Like, dude, I've done enough. I've done enough, like, call it, like, expedition type TV shows and done a lot of things out in the field. Well, you know, where it's like
- [36:51]
B
the Jack just living.
- [36:53]
A
Oh, I couldn't do. They had to.
- [36:54]
B
Yeah. What was it made out of? What was the smoothie?
- [36:56]
A
It was like goat testicles and semen. It was like, whatever. It was horrible. The whole thing was horrible.
- [37:05]
B
But look at you, just all tatted up. Yeah. Okay. And so all the voting power is from the viewing public. The people on the show don't have a say in It.
- [37:13]
A
No. Yeah. And it's the biggest winter TV show in England.
- [37:20]
B
I disagree. The Great British Bake off is likely larger.
- [37:23]
A
Are you a British Bake off kind of guy?
- [37:25]
B
I might have watched all of the seasons available on Netflix in a row. I'm very upset to hear that Pru is no longer on the show. Paul Hollywood. I've reached out to him on Instagram for advice on cooking. He hasn't gotten back to me yet.
- [37:37]
A
That's messed up now. It's. Who does it now?
- [37:42]
B
I haven't seen any of the current ones. I basically binged through what was available on Netflix.
- [37:47]
A
No, it's just. It's this British comedian. He does it now instead of Pru. Yeah. And he's great. I think it's the same guy.
- [37:55]
B
I'll be honest. I watch that show for the emotional crumbling and things falling apart. The cakes literally crumbling. Yeah, the cakes literally crumble. But watching people unwind.
- [38:05]
A
Do you like to cook? Are you a baker?
- [38:07]
B
I mean, let's be careful with the terms that we use. I am capable. I do enjoy cooking. I am not going to say I am a baker or have any real understanding, but I like cooking.
- [38:16]
A
Yeah.
- [38:18]
B
I like grilling stuff more than anything. I've never gotten into breads or pastries or stuff like that, but I need another.
- [38:24]
A
You didn't do, like, the sourdough during COVID No, actually, that was, like, a thing.
- [38:29]
B
I don't even know if I ate any sourdough during COVID Where were you for Covid?
- [38:33]
A
I was in Los Angeles.
- [38:35]
B
Oh. So just the best place in the world.
- [38:37]
A
100. Well, the crazy thing is, during COVID I was filming a TV show, and midway through, I remember seeing After Christmas, like, all the shit in China because I went on vacation and I'm, like, watching. They're like, oh, cities in China have been shut down. And I'm like, this is. Viruses spread pretty easily. Like, there's a thing called an airplane,
- [38:57]
B
and once it starts spreading, that's gonna be tough to put a lid on.
- [39:00]
A
Yeah. And I remember I called production manager and the other execs, and I'm like, hey, can we call the insurance company and find out, like, what our coverage is if we get shut down to a pandemic? Like, what's the deal? And they were like, well, what makes you think it's gonna come here? And I'm like, they're shutting down cities in China. Like, people fly to America from those cities that they've shut down in China. So they called the insurance company and the insurance company was like, yeah, this has never really happened before, so we don't know. And I was like, yes, it has 1919 Spanish flu. And they were like, well, that was different. They had no foresight. It was wild.
- [39:41]
B
A lot of people didn't know a lot of things. To include myself, I didn't know what the hell was going on, but I became very distrustful. Every day, the people saying that this is exactly what's going on and we know why and this is what we need to do. Because I could just say, yesterday you said almost the same thing but had different guidance, and the day before that, it was something different. I'm suspecting you don't know any more than I do.
- [40:02]
A
You know, it's funny, I listened really early on into Covid. I listened to this. There was this New York Times podcast, and they were interviewing some health journalist who's covered viruses for the last 20 years, like any kind of pandemic whatever, from Ebola to, you know, swine flu. And it was the most accurate thing that maintained the entire time. He's like, people will have vaccine reluctancy. They're going to. The government's going to spin up a vaccine really quickly. But the way this is going to go for the next two to four years is like a little, you know, you'll step forward, you'll step back, you'll step foot. And he's. And literally, what this guy said and I was. It ended up being the most accurate thing.
- [40:44]
B
I don't know if there's anything new under the sun other than AI. I don't know what a historical model of that would be. Yeah, but there are. Would there? I mean, I think. Michael, when was the Wright brothers first flight? It's just over 100 years. And then 60 years after that, we went to the fucking moon. Allegedly. I believe that we did. There's a whole community of people that doesn't. I'm not saying we did everything that we claimed to in the space program, but I'm pretty sure we went to the moon.
- [41:10]
A
I think we went to the moon. I just think the footage that we saw was not from the moon.
- [41:13]
B
December 17, 1903. So we're talking 124 years at this point, or 123 years at this point. 60 years after that, we went to the moon. So it's not as if. I mean, there was a time where there was no electricity. There was a time where, you know,
- [41:27]
A
there was no radio.
- [41:28]
B
There was no radio, so these things happen. But I don't know if any of those seem to have the societal impact of AI. So I don't know where that leads.
- [41:39]
A
I think it's. I think it's like anything, right? It's like the Internet, just in general. The Internet can be used for some really cool things and it can be used for some really fucked up things. And I think that's just the way it's going to be with AI and it's going to be this constant kind of battle of good and evil.
- [41:56]
B
But how do you keep up with it? I think you have to have good AI fighting bad AI.
- [42:00]
A
Yeah, that's. That's really what will happen. And you're seeing it, you're seeing it with like chat GPT versus Claude. Like, you know, Sam Altman is kind of in this weird, like, yep, it like, I don't care place of AI. And then you've got the folks over, you know, Claude and Google that are trying to be ethical about it and it's. And it's there.
- [42:21]
B
How much do you think that the heads of those companies truly understand about their product?
- [42:29]
A
You know, there's a. I don't know if you. He would be a good guy for you to get on the podcast. He's a buddy of mine, a guy named Conrad Flynn. Did you hear? You should go watch his. Tucker Carlson recently. Yeah, it was a couple. God, it was last. It was like the week after Charlie Cook got assassinated.
- [42:47]
B
Did they immediately ignore him though? Because Tucker Carlson has now been keyholed into this propagandist. And I'm not saying everything he said that is true, but it's fascinating to watch the maneuvering of information sources.
- [42:59]
A
I think it got kind of. I think some of the stuff that. Well, I think it was recorded before Charlie Kirk. Before Charlie Kirk died. But a lot of what they talk about in the podcast is the. And this is where Conrad, like his area of expertise is the occult influence in entertainment, in Hollywood and in Silicon Valley. And like, there's a lot of stuff that.
- [43:22]
B
What do you mean by a cult? Like Satan worshiping?
- [43:24]
A
Yes. And like, and I, at first I was like. And then when you start listening to like what Conrad lays out as far as who is citing what authors. And like Sam Altman, he talks about this. I'm gonna, I don't remember this author's name, but there's a certain author who's a known occultist. His books are like, nope, this is like where this comes from. And like, Sam Altman is like, that's my guy. And it's like, this known thing and supposedly in Silicon Valley that they're all getting down with some like weird dark arts kind of stuff.
- [43:58]
B
You mean they're having ceremonies and cutting chickens heads off and stuff? And they're wearing robes? Not like the English robes.
- [44:04]
A
Like the English robes. I don't know if it's to that point, but there is a lot of like occult practices with like divination and like weird ritual type stuff.
- [44:13]
B
Do you think that's crazy? Well, crazy will put at the end rich, influential people getting to a place where because they can have and do anything, they start doing weird shit.
- [44:24]
A
Yes.
- [44:25]
B
It becomes crazy 100. Or do you think they were like that before?
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A
I think it's a bit of both. I think you kind of have to be that kind of person that is curious about, okay, well, how far can I take my power and what can. What can help me take it to that level? Because it's, you know, it's good. Well, the good versus evil thing is the first battle humanity ever saw. And so I think that just as you'll see people that get a lot of fame and power and money and they go, oh, you know, I'm going to become a philanthropist and I'm going to try and do good and I'm going to lean into that. You know, there's not that many of them anymore, but I think you get that same kind of personality is like, I want more power and what is going to give me more power? And it's, oh, have you tried this strange kind of dark art? I don't know.
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B
God, those are gonna be weird clubhouses, dude.
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A
Can you imagine the like. Because I think a lot of the. Those billionaires, I mean, they can literally do whatever they want
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B
if they have an island.
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A
Yes, if they have an island and a Rolodex with a lot of people in to invite to said island.
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B
But again, that Rolodex was also rich, influential people that. I don't know, maybe. Does life just get muted and boring when you can do anything at the same time?
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A
You know what? I kind of, in talking with Conrad, I kind of landed at like, it all comes down to sex. It literally all boils down to that. All these guys who are these big old nerds like Michael and Totally.
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B
Except for the billionaire aspect. Unless you are. You need to. I would like.
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A
Yeah, that you know, of, you know, it's. They. I. The one thing that they, they eventually go, well, I never really got a lot of. A lot of ass, so I'm gonna stop buying it. And like figuring out how to like get into that. I think, I think sex is a driver for a huge amount of like the crazy shit that that has gone on.
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B
I would say it's a huge driver for all humans to a degree. But yes, I think if you were, let's say in the chess club versus the starting football quarterback, there's probably a asymmetry in ass appropriation.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So yes, you get to a place then where.
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A
Yeah. It is not apples to apples.
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B
Yeah. Then you arrive at a place where you could look probably and just be a absolute slovenly example of a person. But you have 11 figures associated with your name. You might be beating it off of you with a baseball bat or just wearing robes, you know, doing weird stuff. I feel like the cucking chairs are very ergonomic, you know, the finest leathers. I mean.
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A
Yeah. God, it's. Yeah, man, it's like it's a. You know what I'm waiting for? Here's what I'm waiting for. And I wonder if it will happen. When is a billionaire gonna buy a decommissioned aircraft carrier so he can land his freaking private plane on it?
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B
I don't know if they would let them. Michael, will you please google if you can buy an aircraft carrier?
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A
I mean, the USS Intrepid is a museum in New York City.
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B
There's one. The Midway is in San Diego as well.
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A
Yeah. So I mean someone's got to own that whether it's a non profit or. Because I don't think the government.
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B
That is a good question. I wonder. Yeah, I wonder who does own those. I feel like they were probably gifted. God, you cannot legally or practically buy an op. Well, what if it's not operational? Also though, Elon Musk as a trillionaire, which is a number I don't understand. I feel like he could build his own.
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A
He owned.
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B
He doesn't need it to be weapons grade, but he could build an aircraft carrier.
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A
And why couldn't he have a nuclear powered boat?
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B
He. I mean if you want to talk about somebody who has the means and the capability and the know. Not himself personally, but access to the people who could do it.
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A
Yeah, for sure.
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B
What do you think about AI data centers in space?
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A
That is.
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B
Yes, it is legal possible for civilian to purchase decommissioned aircraft carrier. I'm thinking combined collaborative joint GoFundMe with you.
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A
I think we should. You know how. What's his name, that comedian, Skeet Pete Davidson. He bought a boat like a comedy boat. He did, yeah, he bought it in on India.
- [48:50]
B
Oh, they brought it was the. It Was the. I want to say barge, but that's neither a boat or a barge.
- [48:55]
A
Yeah, it was some ferry. He bought a ferry. That's what it was.
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B
Yes.
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A
I'm like, yeah, so him and Colin Jones bought a ferry. Why can't we buy an aircraft carrier?
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B
Michael, we're going to do a GoFundMe first. Let's see what the going rate is currently. What is our entry level? We might have to add another tier to your patreon.
- [49:12]
A
I think so. I think so. Maybe we might need to bring some other people in. You know, I think we find the
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B
problem is I bet the catapult wouldn't work. So you could land your airplane on there. Getting it off would be a bitch, I think.
- [49:24]
A
Well, what if you engineered your plane to allow it.
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B
Helicopters. Let's just skip the airplanes. Yeah.
- [49:30]
A
Or you get it on your F35.
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B
I don't think you can buy an F35 yet.
- [49:34]
A
Yet.
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B
They need to go through the decommission. I mean, people are buying Blackhawks.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And some of those things are going for just a couple hundred thousand dollars, mind you. You're gonna spend millions getting it back up to speed. But the fact that you could buy a Blackhawk Hulk for $400,000. Yeah.
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A
I think we could convince Evan to move the Black Rifle headquarters.
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B
To an aircraft carrier.
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A
To an aircraft carrier. Just like S.H.I.E.L.D. in, you know, Avengers.
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B
Why not just become S.H.I.E.
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A
d. I think we're really making some headway here.
- [50:03]
B
At first, I thought Michael and I had discovered the first metahuman, and it was the man who ran through the security checkpoint at the cor. I didn't realize we were watching a camera with an ultra low frame rate. But the first time I saw it, I watched it several times. Like, I was less interested in that and more in the shooting and more. And it's like. It's the flash.
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A
Yeah.
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B
We've identified he got caught and was stripped down nude shortly after he went out of frame. And that it was just the frame rate of the camera.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That was weird that crazy people do crazy things. They really do.
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A
They will always find a way to do crazy things.
- [50:37]
B
The Secret Service is getting. Speaking of helicopters, that is a very. I mean, that's a Huey. I can tell.
- [50:44]
A
Are you having flashbacks from Nom.
- [50:45]
B
No, that's. I guarantee you that's.
- [50:47]
A
Are you going to be like Comet looking out the window with the rain?
- [50:50]
B
No, it's. The fire service has one at the city airport. That particular rotor wap, though, which the listeners aren't going to Be able to hear. It's just funny. We're talking about military stuff and a Huey's flying by, so. Absolutely 100% that's a Huey.
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A
Are you getting like a Huey boner right now?
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B
First helicopter I ever did a flight in was a Huey, actually. Yeah. Cost me a case of beer. As every first thing does in the SEAL community. But don't get in trouble drinking and driving, okay? No big deal. Yeah. Very conflicting messages.
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A
Interesting.
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B
The operations officer on Friday would give you a safety stand down speech on responsibility and not getting DUIs. He had three, by the way. And then I say, not as I do. Well, then it would say, all right, you know, kegr, starting at noon, we'll do a. We'll do a conditioning run and swim. We'll do a run, swim, run. And then let's get the volleyball nets set up in the grinder and then let's get the kegs out. And you guys, you know, don't be the first to leave. It's like, bitch, I drove here. How do you expect me to get home after your safety stand down speech of don't drink and drive.
- [51:49]
A
What if you don't drink? Is it like, really? Are you kind of looked at like a loser in the seals if you don't drink?
- [51:56]
B
It depends. The personality would get you a long way.
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A
Yeah.
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B
There'd be pressure, and I can only speak for the era that I was in. I've heard that it has actually shifted, and now far more people don't drink than do. In the era that I joined in the late 90s, pressure would be applied not at hold you down drink pressure, but there would maybe be a little social moisturization.
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A
Yeah. You know, do you think now that they kind of, you know, they're like, oh, okay. And how do you identify?
- [52:21]
B
I don't know. I have heard some of those policies have permeated all the way into the military. And I've heard from other people that although they tried to and the policies exist, nobody gives a shit. So I don't really know.
- [52:32]
A
Do you ever get asked to go and, like, speak to, like, Bud's classes that are graduating or anything like that?
- [52:37]
B
No, no, I'm not the guy for that. Yeah, I would actually just recommend you. I'd say just call Jack. Just completely make up a speech.
- [52:45]
A
Well, I mean, there's others that have.
- [52:49]
B
No, it's. I'm happy to be geographically separated from the community. Not that I dislike the community, but it's nice just to be able to focus on life outside of that as well too. I think they completely tore down and rebuilt the training facility as well too. I believe it's still in the same spot, but all new. I think they moved a pool over to the other side so I actually probably wouldn't even recognize it anymore.
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A
I got to go to Coronado once with a friend of mine and he was doing a. He kind of. He came from your world and he was doing a stint there before he went up to Alaska to do some teaching and there was Bud's class going and he brought me in and I'm walking around and I'm looking at these guys and I'm like, wow, that's like a child. He's like 18 year old kids.
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B
Like, that was me.
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A
Baby faced, no stubble. Like I would be surprised if they've ever actually shaved. I was like, wow. Like, yeah, man, that's crazy to me.
- [53:46]
B
When I went back as an instructor, that's how I viewed the students too. And many times I sat and wondered if. I just assume that all instructors view the class as that because it is. There are older people, mid-20s. Happens occasionally. But yeah, man, they're. They're young and they're getting after it. I can appreciate that for sure.
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A
Totally.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, dude, to be 18 and being like, nope, I'm gonna go do that. And you know, some see it through. Yeah, like that's, that takes some. That's a, that's a. That's a strong head or lack of
- [54:16]
B
intelligence in my case. Just no better plan B. Really. Just like, okay, I didn't have a plan B, which, which is not necessarily what I would advocate and say is responsible. But I would also say be careful how sexy your plan B sounds. Because the BUDS instructor's role is to remove all hope and to make you think that all of your other options are more enticing than graduation. And we have effective tools.
- [54:38]
A
Did you ever come close to being like, fuck it, I'm out, I'm done.
- [54:41]
B
I don't remember ever feeling that way. I mean, for me we're talking almost 30 years ago. And the body has an amazing ability to round the edges of painful experiences. So I've have fleeting memories of training at best, but I don't remember ever getting to that point. At some point, the people who quit become an incredible amount of motivation for you to keep going.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And that can be a harsh thing for people to hear, but that is the reality. If you are able to accomplish things that others can't and you want to go down that pipeline, it's Just a log that's thrown on your fire.
- [55:10]
A
Yeah, it's funny, like, you know, doing, you know, climbs and different adventures and stuff that I've done. Like sometimes I have these moments where I was like, I have a really nice warm bed not very far from here and if I just go, I'm done. I could be in that warm bed and it's like, that's such, like a corrosive.
- [55:29]
B
Yeah. See, you could be a BUDS instructor because basically we say the same thing just in different terms. You know, foldable tables with steaming hot hot chocolate on them, donuts.
- [55:38]
A
Oh, you'll do that?
- [55:38]
B
Oh, yeah. And you'll tell the entire class as they're doing surf conditioning in the middle of the night, we just need one person to quit. We'll stay out here, just one. And whoever does, you can pick however many donuts you want. You can have all these. You can pour this hot chocolate on yourself if you want to, but just one. And then you'll get one eventually. And then. And then the goalpost shifts a little bit, maybe two. And it just.
- [56:06]
A
Wow. Yeah, that's so. And.
- [56:08]
B
But it's all mental.
- [56:09]
A
But is it a thing? As an instructor? Is it kind of just like, well, how long will you let that go for?
- [56:15]
B
So what the students don't know, but I'm sure they figured out in the Internet era is that the training is actually very regimented. There are cold water immersion tables. There is a precise amount of time. What the students don't see, especially at night, well, we'll turn them around and we're on the beach as the instructor staff, that all the vehicle lights are pointed in their face. What they don't see is a fleet of doctors, MDs looking at all of the students. They don't see somebody off to the side on one of the flanks with a thermometer in the water to check exactly what the water temperature is. Because we're going back to an Excel spreadsheet, because if you go beyond that, the instructor staff will get in an immense amount of trouble. And oftentimes, especially in the evenings, the leadership is there because that's when people just start ejecting. But there is an immersion timeline and then you have to get them out of the water. So all these sessions where we're trying to entice them with treats or blankets or whatever, somebody's got a stopwatch and we're fucking with them until the appropriate amount of time, then they're going back in the water anyway and they'll be in and then Out. And then it's. You can only do it a certain amount of time. But again, the Joel, the job of the instructor is to remove hope. So of course the narrative is, gents, this is all we have on the schedule for tonight. This is the only thing we're going to do until the sun comes up, which is a total lie. And then you can set up for them a game that they think that they are winning. A super stupid game. Like, what's the head count for your class right now? And they get it in the timeline. Okay. Because you guys got that right, we'll go ahead and move on. Actually, the reality is we're at the bottom of the Excel spreadsheet and it's
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A
time to move on anyway. Wow.
- [57:49]
B
But you don't know that as a student it is so chaotic. And by that time, especially during Hell Week, you're probably. By Tuesday, you're a little loopy, if not a lot loopy. And towards the end, as a student, you think you're moving at this incredible rate of speed. And when you augment the Hell Week classes as an instructor by Thursday, Friday, it is so boring because they're moving at the pace of a corpse and they think they're just running as fast as possible, but it looks like an almost dying person. Because they're almost dying. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's just about keeping them awake more than anything.
- [58:18]
A
And they feed you guys pretty good though, right?
- [58:19]
B
Every six hours. I mean, you can eat as much as you want and you're still going to lose weight.
- [58:24]
A
Yeah, of course, you know, I mean, you're probably burning 7,8000 calories a day.
- [58:28]
B
Not like you, of course. Sponsored by Big GLP1.
- [58:30]
A
Yes. Just drinking to the neck.
- [58:35]
B
You are the lightest I've ever seen.
- [58:37]
A
Yeah, no, I'm. Dude, I'm.
- [58:38]
B
You're active as hell, though. We just got done. Did it, you know, an hour, 45 minutes of Jiu Jitsu. Jiu Jitsu felt great, by the way. Definitely. I'd say you're a brown belt. Yeah.
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A
Thank you. Yeah.
- [58:46]
B
I think your coaches are just holding your back. They're holding you to a standard. They're not holding other people too. It's not fair.
- [58:51]
A
Well, you know, it's. Hey, listen, I. I trust my coach. He is the. He is. Hey, hey, Yoda.
- [58:55]
B
You.
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A
You. When you say, you say.
- [58:57]
B
Good answer. Yeah, that's a good answer. Yeah. You can tell me the truth afterwards when the.
- [59:01]
A
Oh, Chris is awesome, man. I love Chris. He's the best.
- [59:04]
B
It's how awesome is jiu jitsu.
- [59:06]
A
Oh, dude, it's the best, man. Like, I mean, we were just talking about, like, I. I'm. I wish I started younger, but I'm so glad I found it when I found it, because I think it's. It's kind of become one of those things that I needed the most, kind of, especially in this time in my life, of, like, having the ability to go somewhere three times a week and just feel physical. Just like the squeeze. Yeah, it's just. Yeah, it's the best.
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B
It is the best.
- [59:38]
A
Where do you. Cause you were just saying, like, you kind of feel like as a black belt, you're now kind of in that, like, honing phase. Do you feel like. Do you feel your game has shifted in the last couple years?
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B
I would have to ask the people that I roll with. I can say my approach to my game has shifted. What I'm working on right now is earlier recognition of when I need to let go and move on to something else. Because you can really get ahead of people if you don't hold on too long and just trying to use. I'm trying to accomplish more with less, which is a concept that was expressed to me as a white belt. It didn't really grab a hold of it at that point. It was, let's just do more with more, which is exhausting. And that's how your knuckles get all tore up. I mean, I take a lot of grips when we're playing GI stuff, but also, I don't death grip it. I'll let people break my grip. I just don't care. I found it to be more sustainable, But. And also, I guess I would say I'm working on, instead of trying to do something, trying to recognize what is available based off what the other person is giving me, as opposed to trying to impose your will. And it's been interesting. I've seen in the last six months more. Not that I can execute the opportunity, but in my head. Oh, I never thought about doing that there because I was trying to force something else. Yeah, it's been a cool journey.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So, yeah, people who are in a rush to get their belts, I'm here to tell you, there's not actually anything at the end of that.
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A
Yeah, no. I'm like, I love being a purple belt. It's, like, been. I've had. I've learned the most. I've, like, really, like, I've just enjoyed it.
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B
It's only Derek Moneybird can get his belt in two years.
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A
What you were saying this Is true.
- [61:13]
B
You trained with him and gave him your stamp of approval. He is.
- [61:15]
A
I have not trained with him. No.
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B
I'm just making things up.
- [61:18]
A
Well, yeah, but I listen. I mean, listen, the people that gave him his black belt. Well, I think. I think that's the conversation. It's not necessarily with him. It's like, okay, like, let's talk about why, why and how. And if you guys, you know, explain why he's a black belt or he
- [61:35]
B
could put up one video of him doing a live role.
- [61:38]
A
Yeah, I haven't. Haven't done that much research into it.
- [61:40]
B
I have done any. Yeah, that's something I've heard other people say. Yeah, this is probably true.
- [61:45]
A
Yeah, maybe there is.
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B
I don't hear Michael singles flying over there.
- [61:49]
A
So it's. But like, yeah, I mean, listen, there have been people that got it. I mean, dude, you got it quick. You got it in what, six, Five.
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B
Five and a half.
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A
And a half. Okay. I mean, that's quick. But you were also doing 12 to
- [62:00]
B
14 sessions per week, a bunch of privates in between. And when I had to travel, I mean, when I was at blue belt, I was doing an hour private, then taking Travis's class, then doing open bat. So I would do three hours straight.
- [62:12]
A
Wow.
- [62:13]
B
And I would do that six days a week if I could. And then sometimes I would come in the morning and then go in the evening as well, too, to double dip on the classes, plus open mats on Saturday and.
- [62:22]
A
Oh, you just. You got the bug, dude. You were just.
- [62:23]
B
It was awesome. I fascinated by the fact you can't master it. And also, yeah, I was really enjoying not thinking about my divorce at the time. It was a helpful tool to utilize and put my energy into. To just not think about being reduced to an Excel spreadsheet. As two lawyers argue between your worth as a human being. Not that you've ever had to go through something like this.
- [62:49]
A
Right? God, but I remember, like, how do
- [62:51]
B
you even describe it? It's the fucking worst.
- [62:53]
A
Well, that was like the first thing we connected on that shoot. On the hunting challenge. What was it called? It was called the Sig Hunter Games.
- [63:02]
B
That's what I thought. Yeah.
- [63:04]
A
And yeah, that's what we spoke about the most, was just like, how brutal divorce is.
- [63:07]
B
Fuck, man.
- [63:08]
A
It's the worst, man. Do not recommend.
- [63:11]
B
10 out of 10. Don't recommend. I did not think I was going to get married again. And I am so thankful that I found Leah and got married to her.
- [63:19]
A
I say the same thing to my wife when I Met her, I was like, I'll never get married again. Just so you know. And then. Yeah.
- [63:23]
B
Yeah. I think it's about finding the right person.
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A
100% is. Yeah.
- [63:27]
B
Yeah. And for clarity, I mean, I got married when I was 23. The first time, I think back then I probably told myself that it was the right person. I just couldn't have figured the difference in who we would be and what our relationship would be. Almost 20 years later.
- [63:40]
A
Wow.
- [63:40]
B
Yeah, 19 years and 11 months. Wow. We were married.
- [63:43]
A
Wow. Yeah, I wasn't that long. I was about to 7. 7 years with my first wife.
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B
And I don't think it makes it any easier that the. Was the end amicable or.
- [63:54]
A
No, no, but we're good now. We're like, we're chill now. Like we, you know, she's, we text often. She's, you know, we have 50, 50 custody with my three oldest kids and it's great. Like she's good with my wife and yeah, we're all good. Like it's. No, it was a definite readjustment. Okay, what's this new baseline? How does this relationship work? You know, I did some shitty things, she did some shitty things and it's like, all right, we're good now. Like we got it all out of our system and we know that, like, okay, the kids come first. How do we co parent and serve them best?
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B
How old are they now?
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A
14, 11? 8? And then I have a nearly four year old and a newborn.
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B
You're so fucked.
- [64:35]
A
Yeah. And they're all girls. What all girls did.
- [64:41]
B
Oh, your life is over.
- [64:43]
A
Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. It's like, yeah, it's over in the most like abundantly loving way possible.
- [64:50]
B
How's that 14 year old doing?
- [64:52]
A
She's amazing. But she's 14. And I'm just like, I'm like, okay, like I don't force anything. If she's just being like, mm hmm. I'm like, all right, that's cool.
- [65:01]
B
I mean we can both attest to being a young man and you know, testosterone is just flowing out of it. Was just like if you were to fill this cup, it's just all over the table having. Now My daughter is 18 now. She just turned 18 and wow. The 13 through, I'll just say today, yeah, they're man complicated little devils.
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A
Yeah. And it's like the thing with Pearl is. But she's such a rad human at the same time, like she can be like so mean and like, ugh. And like, you know, but then, and then she'll come out with something so funny and cool and, like, just. Is this very. She's not your typical, like, LA girl. Like, she's listening to, like, awesome music and she plays bass and she's like, got this amazing, like, mane of curly hair. And, like, she's just awesome. And so even though she can be horrible to me, I'm just kind of like, whatever, you're awesome.
- [65:59]
B
Are you ready for her to be driving?
- [66:02]
A
We've talked about it, sort of. I asked him, like, what kind of car do you want? She's like, I want a Hellcat. I was like, nope, starter car.
- [66:11]
B
Yeah, Hellcat.
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A
I was like, I'm getting you a Volvo.
- [66:14]
B
There's. You get something slower than that.
- [66:17]
A
A smart car.
- [66:19]
B
Get her a account to wegovy or whatever those driverless cars are.
- [66:23]
A
Yeah, like. Yeah, exactly. Like the drive you car. Yeah, waymo.
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B
Waymo.
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A
Yeah. But she's. Yes, but, you know, she asked me the other day, because she's going into high school, she's like, are you gonna be cool if I get a boyfriend? And I was like, okay, yeah, we should have that conversation. Here's the rule. Like, I don't mind you dating a freshman. Or, you know what is after freshman? Sophomore. Sophomore. That's fine. No juniors, no seniors. Cause that's weird. And I'm like, and here's the deal. When you start dating, he needs to come to open mat at my gym.
- [66:59]
B
Let me know when that day is. Uncle Andy will swing by for.
- [67:02]
A
Totally. Just like, that's my rules to her. Yeah, it's funny. I actually got that from talking to a guy at origin. I was talking to this guy there, and he's like, I've got four daughters. This is what I did. And I'm like, that's a great idea.
- [67:13]
B
It's good for them to know that if you wanted to, you could break them off.
- [67:16]
A
Yes.
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B
It's actually essential for them to know that because young men, again, as you and I went through that phase, think that they are largely impervious to things until you feel helpless.
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A
Especially young guys in LA that are just like, ooh, riding around on their E bikes and just, you know, they wear really tight.
- [67:32]
B
I was just there, like I said, for Mike Rose thing. How do you get into skinny jeans?
- [67:38]
A
Well, it's fun, dude. The skinny jeans are kind of going away now. It's super baggy jeans. Now. People are back in, like, JNCO jeans and, like, real baggy stuff.
- [67:45]
B
I understand. The baggy ones feel like they're easy to get into.
- [67:47]
A
Yeah, they Come.
- [67:48]
B
Some of these are spray painted on and I'm not sure what we're. Is this like, hey, ladies, check out my bulge and calves or what's go. What is the need for this?
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A
I don't know. I've never been like a tight jean guy. I just. I never they uncomfortable. It's like, like, get me out of this. Like, no, not my vibe. So you were a seal. I'm sure you wore tight jeans.
- [68:10]
B
No.
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A
Had good hair.
- [68:11]
B
I mean, that part obviously. Fantastic look. Chiseled figures or. Yeah. And no, it was board shorts, flip flops and T shirt.
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A
Okay.
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B
Mandatory baseball hat with sunglasses.
- [68:21]
A
Okay.
- [68:21]
B
Yeah. When none of us ever looked alike, you would never be able to pick us out in a crowd, but yet
- [68:26]
A
you would be able to pick you out in a crowd because we all
- [68:28]
B
wore the same goddamn shit.
- [68:29]
A
Frog tattoos and tridents.
- [68:31]
B
Yes. That is a very.
- [68:33]
A
Do you have a trident and. Or a frog tattoo?
- [68:34]
B
I used to have a frog tattoo. I covered over it with my sleeve.
- [68:37]
A
Okay. Yeah, right on.
- [68:38]
B
I wanted to. And some people have said, you know, why would you do that? And I have to remind them I can get another one if I want to. I've already earned the opportunity to do that. And it's not something that I'm not proud of, but I also don't want to always look down and see that or be that. So for me, I thought it was a healthy step. Just over the last, actually. I probably haven't seen you since I had that. I had to do a 3/4 sleeve.
- [69:00]
A
What is it all.
- [69:01]
B
It's just artistic representations of life in and of itself.
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A
Okay.
- [69:06]
B
Nothing super crazy.
- [69:07]
A
Yeah.
- [69:09]
B
What are you gonna do? What do you got next? Okay, well, like you said though, I mean, so you have. Let's just say that behind the scenes or whatever professional you want to do. You got years of sorting the other stuff out. In addition to that. We'll scrape that off the table. What else you got?
- [69:23]
A
We're doing my dad's movie at Sony Studios, so that's all.
- [69:27]
B
Who's playing him?
- [69:30]
A
Yet to be kind of secured, but we have someone in mind.
- [69:34]
B
Who and why? Is it Chris Hemsworth?
- [69:36]
A
It's definitely Chris Hemworth. It's either Chris Hemsworth or the Rock. We're kind of like. We're torn. No, I can't really say because they don't like that. You know, they like to do the big announcements. But, you know, we've had a bit of communication with his team and Seth definitely interested, and he's a really great young actor. And.
- [69:53]
B
But it's life story, I'm assuming, of your father.
- [69:55]
A
Yeah, yeah. So it kind of. Yeah, it kind of tracks, you know, life story, but kind of surrounded by, like, him and my mom's relationship. And it's not like a fluff piece. Like, we kind of, you know, we pull. We don't pull punches on it. And it's.
- [70:10]
B
He didn't seem to really, either.
- [70:12]
A
No.
- [70:12]
B
You know.
- [70:12]
A
Yeah. So we're working on that, like, very much. Like, I'm very much involved in that. We're doing a whole bunch of. You know, we're bringing back Ozfest, which was the festival that we had for years.
- [70:24]
B
Who's gonna play you?
- [70:25]
A
Who's gonna play me? God, who would play me? That's a great. Honestly, I haven't even thought of it. Cause we're in it for, like. We're like, background.
- [70:33]
B
Well, you're gonna need multiple for you and for your dad probably, too, depending on the era.
- [70:38]
A
Well, yeah, the main focus is gonna kind of be. The bulk of the film is, like, 80s to kind of mid-90s.
- [70:44]
B
So you're gonna need young, you know, but.
- [70:46]
A
Yes, child, Me. Yeah. Yeah.
- [70:48]
B
Okay.
- [70:48]
A
Yeah, yeah, that's. But we're kind of just like. We purposefully put it to where, like, kids are kind of background, like.
- [70:55]
B
Yeah.
- [70:56]
A
And the kids are playing outside while something's going on inside.
- [70:58]
B
I don't know your story. Let's see, what was it? You were supposed to be in rehab, but you were running drunk to your neighbor buddy's house.
- [71:04]
A
Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. I forgot. I forgot I told you that story.
- [71:08]
B
Just because your dad was doing some wild shit didn't mean the rest of you. You were doing some wild.
- [71:12]
A
Yeah, there was a lot of wild, man. There was a lot of wild back then.
- [71:15]
B
How did you survive that, dude?
- [71:17]
A
I honestly think it's because I got sober. I got sober young. And I like it. Like, I took to it, and I really, like, dove into just recovery. And it was. But I think what really kept me in was, like, the community of recovery. Like, I was lacking that. I was lacking, like, a solid group of guys that didn't necessarily care who I was, what I did, and where I came from. It was just like, hey, we're all just kind of figuring life out.
- [71:43]
B
What do you think the driving factor for the sobriety was? Did you realize you wanted to change your station in life or trajectory?
- [71:49]
A
It was a lot of things. You know, it was the realization that, like, this can't go on. Like, this only leads to one, you know, well, you know, as they say in, you know, in 12 step recovery, jails, institutions or death, like that's really the outcome of this. And I didn't want that. I really liked the kind of, I liked that I figured out how to have fun sober and I liked my, the, the community I was in. Just, it was a bunch of little things that stacked up to bear being like, okay, this is worthwhile and I need to put the work in to maintain it. And, and that. And then there's this, there's the spiritual solution component to it, which, you know, I went, you know, I got sober as like a die hard atheist and kind of, you know, when you kind of go through it and you start to kind of experiment and dip your toe into whatever kind of spirituality it's, you're like, okay, like there's something to that. And I took to it.
- [72:46]
B
Did you have to reinvent your social circle big time?
- [72:49]
A
Big time.
- [72:50]
B
Yeah. I'd imagine it'd be very difficult if you were trying to be on an island of sobriety surrounded by everything else.
- [72:56]
A
Yeah. And it just, it wasn't attractive to me anymore, you know, and I didn't, I would still go out and like get up in the club in LA at the time. And I had. But I went with a posse of sober guys and we just had the best time ever. And it, and that was figuring out how to have a crazy amount of fun, I think is what kept me sober. And then as I, you know, a few years after getting sober, I found climbing and then I started doing all these adventures and making these adventure shows in England and it just was like, I was like, man, this is like, this is fun.
- [73:32]
B
And you've been in the entertainment space for a long time. Okay, so you got the biopic, your dad, what else you got going on?
- [73:39]
A
Still doing my podcast, my YouTube stuff. And just, yeah, I'm just kind of
- [73:44]
B
like, sometimes I see your stuff and then sometimes it seems like you take a break. Do you take a break in production?
- [73:49]
A
So I was, yeah, I was figuring out, I was figuring out the system. Like, okay, what's the, you know, how does this. I did have, for the longest time I had this production company and then I shut it down just because, you know, the cost of funding a TV production company to make content digitally, the. It just, it wasn't apples to apples. And so financially just didn't make sense. And so I kind of shrunk my footprint, got into business with a new production company doing all my, my content. Who Are awesome. And yeah, I've just been a little more consistent with it. Still doing some paranormal stuff, doing my. My interview podcast. But I'm just. I'm at a place now where it's like, I have zero full time employees. Everything's, like contracted out. I'm keeping it lean and mean and it's awesome. I'm like, hey, this is great.
- [74:34]
B
You also have a good Rolodex of people to pull from.
- [74:36]
A
I do.
- [74:37]
B
You have a fascinating intersection of your life in the personal and professional stuff that you've done.
- [74:42]
A
Yeah.
- [74:43]
B
Like we out in the military world, you know a tremendous amount of the same people that I do, which is kind of weird. It is weird. Yeah. Which I didn't realize until we started chatting at that SIG event. But yeah, so you have the public facing names that people would recognize and they'll tune in for. But you also have.
- [74:58]
A
Have.
- [74:59]
B
Yeah, a ridiculous of behind the scenes.
- [75:01]
A
Yeah, like, like all the Black Rifle guys, we go back years. Like, yeah, like, since day one of Black Rifle, when it was 0:15. Like, I've known those guys.
- [75:09]
B
And you know Tyler. Yeah. Is he done his life up yet or is he still in the middle of that?
- [75:15]
A
Tyler's doing great.
- [75:17]
B
Good.
- [75:17]
A
Yeah.
- [75:18]
B
God. Fucking train wreck. I saw some random posts from him. Here I am Christmas Eve at an airport, and I went no farther because there's nothing good that comes from a post like that. And I didn't reach out, but like, dude, what are you doing?
- [75:33]
A
Tyler's doing all right. He's hanging in there. Yeah. I think he's living in Vegas again. And, yeah, he's doing good and he's getting some projects off the ground and so Love Tyler, though. You know, we were roommates.
- [75:45]
B
Yeah. That had to have been a journey through space and time.
- [75:47]
A
Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was. That was funny. A lot of video games.
- [75:51]
B
Yeah. What's your goal with your podcast? Do you just like sitting down and chatting with people?
- [75:55]
A
Yeah, I like sitting down and chatting with people. I'm not like, obsessed with, you know, I don't obsess over the numbers of like, oh, this guest had this man. I need to kind of. I don't chase. I don't chase clicks. It's so healthy. Yeah, it's. I. I think there's a lot of. It's a lot of wasted energy. I just enjoy the conversations I have. And then I've got this paranormal kind of side that I do. I kind of have two podcasts and where I just retell these, like, famous paranormal cases. And I have a lot of fun with that. And it's super easy and, like, it's just. Yeah, I want to be. I'm trying to make it as simple and as lean as possible.
- [76:29]
B
What's the most compelling paranormal story you've encountered?
- [76:33]
A
For myself or heard?
- [76:35]
B
Both.
- [76:36]
A
Okay. So for myself, man, I've had things where I actually just told this. I was doing a live stream and someone asked me that. I had this thing happen. There was a couple things, actually. I brought my mum on this paranormal investigation at this haunted hotel. And where was it? It was just north. It was near Ojai, in. In California. And we were doing this experiment, it's called the Estes Experiment, where you put, like, noise canceling headphones on and a blindfold and you just kind of sit quietly and you just kind of, whatever comes to mind, you just like, spew it out. But the craziest thing, my mom went into this, and this is not bullshit. She went into this very strange, like, trance where she slowly. Over four minutes, like, basically it was like someone was powering down her body and she slumped back in a chair, completely out. She stopped breathing. I had to give her resuscitive breaths.
- [77:34]
B
What?
- [77:34]
A
Yes. Craziest shit I've ever seen. We have it all on camera. Over four minutes, she slowly passes out and.
- [77:42]
B
Okay, step one. Don't do that again with your mom.
- [77:44]
A
Hell no. I was like, you are. We are never doing this again. We rushed her to the hospital, Ambulance came. They did every single test imaginable. She had MRIs, CAT scans, blood work, the electrodes up to her head. The only thing they found was that she was slightly dehydrated. And I was like, I've never seen anyone slightly dehydrated. Stop breathing.
- [78:08]
B
Yeah, maybe they cramp a little bit.
- [78:10]
A
Yeah. So there was that. I've had things like objects move in front of me, you know, kind of throw things out. Like, hey, make that move. Object to move. I've had things where I've.
- [78:20]
B
What type of object?
- [78:21]
A
Like, there would be a bowl on a table. Granted, we, you know, hey, someone could have opened a door. It could have made it roll. We kind of checked it all. I've had flashlights turn on. On command where we're like, all right, there's a flashlight there. Make it turn on. I've got video of that, actually. I can show you.
- [78:36]
B
And obviously the switch was in the person's shoe.
- [78:39]
A
Duh. Remote detonator, duh. I had something while I was telling this story. I was at my house in La and the way the house was laid out was if I was looking at the tv, it was above the fireplace. If I looked down the hall, the door facing me was my kid's bedroom. And I was sat there and I was kind of dozing on the couch, and the door was fully shocked. I was watching tv. I didn't want to wake the kids, kind of dozing. And my wife had got up, and she's like, hey, I'm going to bed. When you finish, you know, don't sleep on the couch. So I was like, all right. So I was finishing this TV show, and I look because I hear the door opening. I hear the handle turning. And I was just kind of sat there and I thought the door would open and, you know, one of my daughters would emerge and like, daddy, I had a night, whatever, sat there and I just see the door slowly open. Very, very, very slowly. And I'm like, just horror movie speaking? Yeah, full horror. And I'm watching this. Like, I get the chills telling this story. And I'm looking and I'm waiting, waiting for my kid, waiting for someone to come out. And I'm like, what the fuck? I walk into the room, I get ice cold, and all I do is I say, I just said, get the fuck out. I don't know who you are. I don't know what you are. Get the fuck out of my house. And I honestly get the chills telling that story. It was the weirdest, craziest. Just. I can't explain. I shut that door. I heard the handle go. I sawed the door. Now, it could have been a kid sleepwalking. Opened up the door, sleepwalking, then climbed back into bed. I went in there calling out one of the names. I was like, andy, you know, Minnie, like, what's up? Up? Nothing. They were fast asleep, snoring.
- [80:22]
B
You should have gone in there and said, I accept your invitation. I'm here to party. My safe word is pineapple.
- [80:31]
A
Let's go.
- [80:32]
B
I mean, if somebody was trying to communicate with you.
- [80:36]
A
Yeah.
- [80:37]
B
Don't tell them to leave. They didn't get their message.
- [80:38]
A
Well, no, I was like. Because my thing was like, hey, that's my safe space. Like, you're not in my. I don't want you in my safe space.
- [80:45]
B
I certainly can't explain a lot of things, but I. I don't like watching horror movies because of the ridiculous nature of that. And it's the music that gets you
- [80:52]
A
and the jump scares and. Yeah, yeah.
- [80:54]
B
I don't need to live that. Have you Seen the. I'm sure they're on YouTube, the Instagram videos of the spouses. Then they're only doing this to men. And this is super up. But I'm also here for it. Essentially, it's a Chucky doll, but it's battery controlled. And so they'll put an inanimate object on the couch and set up a camera and it'll start to move. And the level of losing, that's amazing.
- [81:18]
A
That is amazing.
- [81:20]
B
Michael, if you can find these, it's absolutely worth it. There's. There's compilations, and it. It's always the same because they catch a little movement.
- [81:29]
A
What is that?
- [81:30]
B
And then sometimes they'll go back and then they catch it again. But if they see it move on their own, it is like a levitation out of the seating or laying position that they're in, and they're gone. Yeah, yeah. Let me see here. No.
- [81:44]
A
Oh.
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B
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- [83:28]
A
That's so funny. I mean she's handling it pretty well.
- [83:34]
B
She's handled it better than I would. I would have kicked that thing.
- [83:48]
A
Yeah, I've never seen anything levitate. Did you ever have any like weird spooky shit when you were in military?
- [83:55]
B
Not a single thing really. Not that. You know, we could turn day into night so the, the shadows and you could just see, you know, sitting on that couch if all the lights are off. You've looked through nods plenty of times. You know what I'm talking about. You can see into the room. Yeah, you would have seen somebody if they had their hand on the knob. So it's not that there's not scary things that happen at night, but it's less scary when you're looking at it through a green or a white tube. You know, I can't think of a single thing that was unexplainable in that way.
- [84:24]
A
What about aliens? You had to have been to Area 51.
- [84:27]
B
I wish. No, I have talked to though pilots who flew in and around Area 51 and I do understand, I think, why people that are out there looking for stuff, see stuff, because if you catch the right pilot at the right time, they'll tell you stories about deviating from all approved flight protocol to low buzz people and do stuff that would be unexplainable, especially to the naked eye at night. And you know, when an F18 misses you by about six feet,
- [84:58]
A
that's and
- [84:59]
B
comes ripping around and surprises you and you don't hear it coming or you
- [85:03]
A
know, there's weird stuff there. Do you think that? I mean, I'm sure you've met some people that like have had firsthand experience at Area 51. Do you think this?
- [85:15]
B
Yes. But I still am waiting to see an actual demonstrable piece of information. The way I view it. From my understanding, humans barely have an idea or an approximation of the known size of the universe. Safe to say it's massive. Almost like head exploding massive. I think it is statistically improbable that we are alone.
- [85:41]
A
Yeah.
- [85:41]
B
And I actually think if Aliens showed up, assuming Independence Day is not the movie we're talking about where they destroy everything, it would. I think it would be net positive for humanity because maybe instead of fighting each other, we could come together a little bit. Realize like, hey, if they were able to make it here, maybe we ought to, like, figure shit out, tighten up just a touch. Let's work together instead of against each other. We have way more in common, regardless of our disagreements, than the dude who just showed up from Battlestar Galactica. So I think it'd be net positive. I know for a fact that these, these, the research programs exist, but what it seems to be is somebody will come testify about either something that they saw but can't show you, a program they were read into but can't tell you much about, or somebody that they know who brought them something and showed it to them, but they don't have the thing. Just hold up the goddamn piece of the spaceship. Yeah, I want to believe.
- [86:41]
A
Show us a picture.
- [86:42]
B
Yes. I want to believe that we're not alone, but I also would like to have some level of demonstrable evidence associated with that.
- [86:48]
A
Do you think. Because I call it like a staggered disclosure. I think they're just getting us used to, you know, they're releasing all this, you know, drone.
- [86:54]
B
I mean, we're there, right, aren't we? Kinda.
- [86:56]
A
I feel like within the next 10 years they're gonna show us a real picture.
- [87:00]
B
Like, let's say it was today, let's say the 4th of July. Happy birthday. Here's your present. We're gonna unwrap whatever. Here's from planet Xenu as an example.
- [87:14]
A
With all the volcanoes.
- [87:15]
B
Sure. I mean, what do you think would happen?
- [87:21]
A
I think what everyone fears, oh, there's gonna be social collapse because of all the religious institutions. I actually don't think it's that. I think people will have such distrust in government because the government's been li. Every government on planet Earth has been lying to its citizens for the last 80 years.
- [87:36]
B
And that's the case too. This would be not just a us lying. This is the entire globe.
- [87:41]
A
Globe.
- [87:41]
B
Unless for some reason, these only crash in the US Which I believe to be improbable as well.
- [87:47]
A
Yeah, Yeah. I went to Mexico and I got to see the weird little aliens. Do you know about these?
- [87:53]
B
Yeah. But they also get tested and found to be.
- [87:55]
A
No, no, that. That was. That was like disinformation. They put out I met. I met propaganda total. I met with Michael Mexico aliens, propaganda. They're called tridactyl or the Nazca mummies. I went and I got to see him. I saw the X rays, I saw the CAT scans. I. I spoke with this Mexican Navy doctor who did all.
- [88:20]
B
Mexican Navy doctor. Okay.
- [88:21]
A
Who did all the testing. He got put in jail because he wouldn't. He came out and said, I'm not saying this is the Mexican government. Were like, you need to say this is fake. And it was wild. You can see wear and tear in the joints from like, almost like arthritic in some of these older ones.
- [88:39]
B
Get images on that, Michael.
- [88:41]
A
Yeah, there's one and there's like three different types. And there's one. There's a pregnant one. Yeah.
- [88:47]
B
What?
- [88:48]
A
Yep. Dude. And stop it. This is not bullshit. I swear to you. I see. I've seen it. Okay, so the one with its knees rolled up.
- [88:55]
B
Yep.
- [88:55]
A
Is a female. And when they did a. They did a scan. There's three eggs inside of it. And then they put a little camera in and there's.
- [89:04]
B
Are you bought and paid for by big alien?
- [89:05]
A
I am not bought and paid for. I went there being like, this is cake. Because remember when they were. They saw these skits that these things are cake. Totally not. I've got pictures. I'll show you. I've got pictures of holding one of the fingers and you can see like bone, whatever, like marrow divots and stuff in the finger.
- [89:23]
B
So what do they make of these? Best assessment or best guess, what are these?
- [89:27]
A
They have no idea because the DNA we only could track. They. When they sent the DNA testing off, it came back that we only can recognize 80 of it. So there's 20 of DNA of these things where they, like, we have no idea what it is.
- [89:41]
B
That's a weird mix.
- [89:43]
A
Yeah. Because if you look at like us to a cockroach is more than 80. Like, we're like, what, 89 to a cockroach.
- [89:52]
B
Are we really?
- [89:52]
A
Yeah, it's like. It's really not that.
- [89:54]
B
Oh, okay.
- [89:54]
A
It's not that far apart. I mean, I could be wrong with that number. But we're not as far apart from a cockroach as this thing is from humans. And there's hundreds of them.
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B
What?
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A
Yeah.
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B
I thought there was only three.
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A
No, they found in. In Peru. There's. There's. There's about a hundred of them. And the crazy thing is the Peruvian government, the ones that got to Mexico, they released initially, they let them take out of the country. Because they were like, well, these things aren't real.
- [90:19]
B
Are you sure? This has been.
- [90:21]
A
Everyone I spoke to was like. They were. I saw. I mean, listen, it would have to be the greatest costume and special effects artist ever to put this thing together.
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B
Yeah.
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A
There was nothing that I saw that was like wire inside of it or sutras or.
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B
And
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A
by all accounts was very real. And it's covered in. It's all white because it's covered in diatomaceous earth. Some kind of preservative that you can use for gardening or some shit.
- [90:56]
B
Yeah, Yeah. I don't know. I don't think there would be a societal collapse. I do think that there would be unanswerable questions from our government and many others as to what companies have you given this tech to? And is the only reason that you didn't disclose this was because of the technological advantage? How much of this is currently being being used? Who has benefited from this?
- [91:25]
A
And who's taken our tax dollars to now have financial gain from this?
- [91:29]
B
Yes. And who has leapfrogged the competition because, you know, they went from whatever of Bic Lighter to Quantum, whatever. Fill in the blank. That I think would infuriate people more than the Green Man. I think it would be cool if we weren't alone.
- [91:47]
A
Oh, yeah. I think it'd be great. And as you're to your point, I think it's a really unifying kind of concept at the end of the day, because, like, hey, get your shit together. Because, you know, little Green man, if he can travel across the universe in
- [92:04]
B
any capacity, that's another one I don't really understand, though. If they have the ability to get here, why do they crash so often?
- [92:12]
A
Maybe they crash on purpose. Maybe they're. Maybe they're leaving us Easter eggs.
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B
I don't accept that theory at all, Jack.
- [92:20]
A
Pilot error is a thing.
- [92:21]
B
Why do they have so much pilot error at the end of the journey as opposed to traveling at the beginning?
- [92:27]
A
I mean, statistically, if it's going to crash, it's in the beginning, right? Yeah.
- [92:30]
B
You know, there's a lot of theories, too, that there's more undersea than on land.
- [92:35]
A
Well, I will tell you this, and I was telling my buddy this. I have a friend who is close with the President, and they speak often, and he asked him about it, and his quote was from. This is what he told me, the President said was, we have no idea what they are, but they're in the ocean.
- [92:55]
B
I don't know what to feel about the story that you just told me. There's so many questions I have.
- [93:00]
A
Off, off. Mike. I'll tell you the whole. For sure we will. Yeah.
- [93:03]
B
Here's the problem. I feel like this man called the president on a Wednesday at 3pm he answered and said this over an unclassified telephone line.
- [93:12]
A
And from my friend, that is a very common occurrence with our President.
- [93:20]
B
Well, if the aliens are real, I expect him to hop in the cockpit of an F16 and lead the charge 100% dude. As it did in the then to be documentary 4th of July or whatever that movie was.
- [93:31]
A
But who's going to be.
- [93:32]
B
Who's going to be Independence Day?
- [93:33]
A
Yeah, who's going to be the wacky guy that, you know suicide bombs? It probably Hegseth after he gets done benching 350 and shotgunning a beer.
- [93:43]
B
We are living in a very wild time right now.
- [93:45]
A
We are. But what a time to be alive.
- [93:47]
B
I feel like every generation of every moment of civilization has a chance to say that though.
- [93:52]
A
Do you think it'll mellow out or do you think it's only going to continue to get crazier like until we're full blown idiocracy?
- [94:01]
B
Is there a potential realm where we already are in full blown idiocracy?
- [94:05]
A
Well, Crocs are a thing and crocs are comfortable.
- [94:08]
B
Plus they have four wheel drive mode. You can be casual or off road.
- [94:11]
A
This is true.
- [94:12]
B
So don't beg on Crocs.
- [94:13]
A
And we have kind of a celebrity president. He may not have been a porn star wrestler, like what was his name? President Macho Nacho or whatever, but he's.
- [94:24]
B
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a betting man, but if I had to bet on that, I don't know where I would put it. Yeah, I don't. It depends. It depends on what you consider to be real, what you see online or what you see with your own two eyes. I try to focus heavily on the latter and less on the former constantly. I will say nothing crazier than this could happen. And then I see something crazier so that I'm clearly wrong when it comes to. I don't know, man. What do you think?
- [94:59]
A
Well, I look at it as like a pendulum, right. And we've, you know, now with the administration, the pendulum swung to the right and I'm like, okay, well if the left takes over, how hard are they going to swing in a retaliation to the left?
- [95:14]
B
And also what would that look like? Yeah, would they.
- [95:17]
A
It. I mean we kind of experienced it with, with Biden to a degree.
- [95:23]
B
Yeah. I mean, there's some of the social policies using an example of physical infrastructure, though, the ballroom, which. There's a whole conversation around that. Having I have been to the White House, I am aware that sometimes the United States hosts events. Like, as an example, I really think the hotel that Reagan got shot at, and also the guy, the metahuman ran through the metal detectors. We should avoid that venue in the future. We probably need a ballroom at the White House.
- [95:51]
A
Yeah.
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B
Now, if it gets completed or is close to being completed and the left does take over, are they going to tear that down? I mean, is that how far we're going to go? Does it have to be physical in nature? Would it be policy? I just don't know what it would look like.
- [96:03]
A
Yeah. Or are they going to. Because there's no way they can finish building that in, what, there's two years left?
- [96:07]
B
Well, I think if it was a regular ballroom, you probably could. I think it's safe to say there's a lot of different security features that'll be enhanced inside of that as well. That probably take time. I bet you it would be close in the final phases, if not done.
- [96:20]
A
Yeah.
- [96:21]
B
And then to cut your nose off to spite your face, do you spend the extra money to tear it down? I don't know. So I don't know how far the pendulum will go. I can see it from a policy side. I could see them changing tax code. I could see them changing, you know, Title 9 stuff, unfortunately. I mean.
- [96:42]
A
But why that. That's just the thing, I think. Just because they can, and it's a show of, like, look, well, we've undone what?
- [96:49]
B
I mean, I could go play blindfolded Frogger down Main Street. I'm not going to. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And that applies to both sides of the aisle, you know?
- [96:57]
A
Yeah.
- [96:57]
B
I don't know, man.
- [96:58]
A
Yeah. I just wonder what the next level of weird it's going to get like. Okay, Trump did the UFC at the White House. Is the next president, as to. To make a point, gonna do, like, another. Like some. Another event at the White Ally. And what's that gonna be?
- [97:13]
B
Michael and I talked. Have you seen the comments? Michael? People are very upset. And when we talked about the UFC event, we didn't discuss that the Biden administration had a Pride event. Pride event with. What do they call the dudes that dress up like girls agenda? I think it was transvestite. No, it was a drag queen.
- [97:33]
A
Okay.
- [97:33]
B
Drag queen, Chuck. And had I been aware of that, or had remembered that, I would have commented on it. But sorry, people, I can't comment on all things. I had no clue. Yeah, maybe don't, you know, I mean,
- [97:44]
A
Jay Z performed at the White House. Like, it's a thing. And I had Billy Bush on my podcast recently. It's coming out, I think next week. And he was telling me that when George Bush Sr. Was in office, he had an exhibition tennis match with his sons competing against tennis players in the South Lawn.
- [98:04]
B
I wonder if he told them they had to lose.
- [98:06]
A
Well, here's the crazy. It was when, like, Jeb was young and it was against female tennis players, and apparently they won.
- [98:18]
B
How long are you going to stay entrenched in Los Angeles?
- [98:22]
A
Oh, man, I don't think I'm for. I don't, I don't think much longer. It's. Dude, it's. If you want an exotic like. And that's what's so shocking to me about. Everyone's like, oh, Gavin Newsom's going to run. I'm like, well, all they got to do is just look at California and go, he will not win. Well, somehow he probably will.
- [98:42]
B
Well, not only look at California, but look at California in the difference between when he first was elected and where he is now. He has a history of taking credit and saying things that A, he didn't have a hand in, and B, a lot of the performance from when he took over to now is kind of the exact opposite of what he's portraying.
- [99:01]
A
Yeah, yeah, he's not. I. I think that guy is pure evil. He has destroyed the state with just policy after policy and he's just, you know, and you see, he goes on Sean Ryan and like, plays the game. Oh, yeah, yeah. I probably shouldn't have done. It's like, dude, just stop like this.
- [99:19]
B
The monorails could be sweet, though.
- [99:20]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah. $24 billion later.
- [99:23]
B
A lot of people want to go to Bakersfield, though. Hey, it's no shame. I'm not throwing shame at Bakersfield. Don't go in the summer, though.
- [99:29]
A
Wait, wasn't that like a hostage crisis in Bakersfield recently? There was some hostage situation maybe. Yeah, there was like a 24 hour standoff.
- [99:38]
B
Do you think you'll ever be able to lift and shift out of la? I mean, obviously you have family there.
- [99:42]
A
Obviously. Absolutely. Yeah. My ex wife, she wants to move out of state. My mom's talked about it because it's. Dude, it's the cost of living.
- [99:50]
B
There you go. Bakersfield, 15 hour standoff.
- [99:51]
A
Yeah, yeah, it was a Whole thing.
- [99:54]
B
Yeah. Ten hostages rescued unharmed. That's good. That's a good way to end that.
- [99:57]
A
Yeah, we like that.
- [99:58]
B
Yeah.
- [99:59]
A
Way to go. FBI.
- [100:01]
B
It appears that the FBI, the hostage taker did not survive. No, that's actually probably should be the expectation if you. I mean, I don't know how people think that's gonna go.
- [100:11]
A
Yeah, whatever. But the, you know, the, the just it. The cost in LA is so extreme. I went to a coffee shop. You own a coffee shop. How much do you sell two lattes and two pastries for? Like what would that come to at your black rifle?
- [100:27]
B
I mean, so size wise, we'll go mediums down the middle, maybe 15 bucks.
- [100:36]
A
$37.
- [100:38]
B
That was before tip, was it excellent pastry.
- [100:41]
A
Yes. I mean it's a fantastic coffee shop and I frequent it often, so it's not stopping you. But I mean it's does sometimes, you know, I do. I definitely go sparingly these days. But yeah. $37. It's like how it's. It just doesn't. And now it's just the cost of everything there. It's like, what are we just. What for? I'm not seeing it in action. Any of this. Taxes or any. It's like the, the city's not as. It's not safe at all. The day I moved into my house, I was unpacking the moving van. I see this blacked out Prius pull up to this house. That's like Caddy cornered to me. Four guys in ski masks run out, full home invasion. This was at one o' clock in the afternoon.
- [101:25]
B
Armed.
- [101:26]
A
I did not see weapons, but they had ski masks. And they jumped. They weren't expecting a homeowner to be there because she was, she came out screaming and they took off. But I'm just like, what is going on? And then you call. How long do you think it took for the cops to get the, the.
- [101:42]
B
Well, assuming that they came. Two hours.
- [101:46]
A
It was about 25 minutes.
- [101:47]
B
Okay.
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A
Yeah. And you know, but you said they
- [101:50]
B
pulled up in a Prius.
- [101:51]
A
Yeah.
- [101:51]
B
So they still could have caught them.
- [101:53]
A
No, sorry. They were in a, in a, in a Tesla. Blacked out Tesla.
- [101:55]
B
This is going to be harder to catch them.
- [101:57]
A
Yeah, much. They could go ludicrous mode.
- [101:59]
B
As you say Prius would be. Sometimes there's conflicting ideologies. You know, worried about the environment, but also want to take things from other people that you don't own.
- [102:07]
A
Yeah, yeah. And it's, you know, I just, I'm like. It breaks my heart. Cause I used to love LA was the best city. It was so much fun.
- [102:15]
B
What do you think about Spencer Pratt and the recent election? Do you know Spencer?
- [102:20]
A
I know him like distantly. Like we have a very close mutual friend and we kind of similar circles back when he was doing his show and a huge amount of my friends actually lived in the Palisades. And so I saw firsthand and I've seen firsthand what that fire did.
- [102:39]
B
I haven't been able to go up there. Is it just a wasteland?
- [102:43]
A
Essentially Think of like photos off to Hiroshima, just flat and you'll see a chimney or like a metal frame of a house. It's just rubble and steel. It was terrifying.
- [102:55]
B
What did they do with all of the money they raised to rebuild that?
- [103:01]
A
Well, I can tell you it got siphoned off to all these non profits and nothing. I think something like, well, hasn't only
- [103:10]
B
a handful of building permits been issued?
- [103:12]
A
Yep, handful of building permits. I think there's one house that's been finished in the Palisades, but who wants to live there? I don't want to live in some. And then you've got all these, you know, blackrocks coming in and you know, these private equity companies just because they know that people are bogged down. There was something really interesting that happened which never gets brought up and I kind of caught onto it pretty quickly. There was a news story that came out a few months before the fire and they were talking about the housing crisis in LA and primarily in Santa Monica. That Santa Monica was going to have to turn these beach parking lots where you park your car if you go to the beach. They're going to have to build low income housing in those parking lots or the city will have these crazy fines week after week until they have enough affordable housing. And so they were going to build low income housing. Beachfront. Yeah, beachfront property. And there was a huge issue because they didn't have the space to build the low income housing. And there was this whole cut to three months later a giant fire comes in and wipes out out the entire Palisades and parts of Santa Monica. Well, now we've got a great solution to this potentially, you know, hundred million dollar problem. And. And I'm like, I did. They was a part of this about kind of cleaning the slate to put in this low income housing.
- [104:36]
B
And man, it depends on how conspiratorial you would want to be. I'm not against saying it's possible.
- [104:43]
A
Yeah. And just God, Karen Bass is the frickin. The mayor is like, oh so how
- [104:49]
B
does she continue to get reelected then?
- [104:51]
A
Dude, it's wild to me.
- [104:54]
B
Yeah, I was. So I went and did Huberman's show, and he records up in Malibu. And for people who haven't been. The Palisades are on the northwestern side of Los Angeles, but the PCH or Pacific coast highway drives up there through as well. You go through the Malibu area. I mean, I was blown away. There'd be a couple houses and then just remnants. And I forget who we were talking to. It was somebody locally. Oh, Leah did a surfing lesson, and the guy who taught her the lesson was in real estate. And she was asking about that Malibu. Just. You want to talk about the most pristine beach? I mean, a lot of them. You know, the concrete pylons that go in and your deck is over. It's amazing. The sun sets over the Pacific. He was saying he doesn't know if it'll ever be rebuilt at all just to get a permit for the septic systems. Millions of dollars that's let alone the building permit or the building costs associated with that. He doesn't know if it'll ever be rebuilt.
- [105:55]
A
No. And there's the Coastal Commission, which now determines, like, how your house can look. Is it going to block someone's view? It's all these. Oh, is there enough room for animals to migrate between your house. Houses? You now have to say you had a house. What they would do with these beach houses is you had a 5,000 square foot lot. You built your house at, you know, 4,000, you know, and you know, 990.
- [106:17]
B
You could touch your neighbor's house.
- [106:18]
A
Yeah, basically. Yeah. It was six feet apart.
- [106:21]
B
Adjoined.
- [106:21]
A
Yeah. Now you have to have it offset by like X amount of feet. And so your house, your building is smaller, and so now the price is reduced and you're not, you know, oh, I had a $20 million beach house. Now it's a $15 million beach house. Okay. Yeah. Oh, what? But it's still the end of the day. You're getting. It's not a replacement, and it's now depreciated.
- [106:49]
B
Yeah. The people who have the money to do that are not interested in what you're talking about. The smartest person here, apparently, is Kanye with an all concrete house. Yeah. Do you know him?
- [106:59]
A
I've never met him, no. Never met Kanye.
- [107:02]
B
I feel like he might be a touch crazy.
- [107:04]
A
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I tell you who I used to be really good friends with. A friend of mine was. He had a kid with a Kardashian and, yeah, Scott Disick, him and I, we used to be, like, best friends, and he's told me some very interesting Kanye stories.
- [107:25]
B
Yeah. Yeah. You can just go onto the Internet and find some very interesting Kanye stories.
- [107:30]
A
Did you ever see the. What's that? South African band. Diane Wood. Diane Wood. They tell this story about when they went to Kanye's house, and it's. They're, like, doing some, like, art project. It's a. It's an amazing video. It's on YouTube, and they're, like, doing some, like, art or whatever, and. Because they make weird content, and they're just kooky. They're a kooky band, and they're in this painting, and he just starts telling this story about how he went to Kanye's house to talk music. And he walks in there, and Kanye is just watching, like, hardcore pornography and completely ignoring him. And he's just stood there in this kitchen that's, like, immaculate and white, and he's just watching, like, hardcore porn in front of him. And they're just like, what are we doing here? And then he just. Then Kanye just starts talking about the porn.
- [108:24]
B
I mean, what is the move there other than an abrupt about face and just walk out, dude.
- [108:29]
A
Yeah, well, that's what he did. He's like, I just got out of there. I would be like, this is. I'm sorry, dude. Like, I'm not like, yeah, that's. That's a wild. But I. But he. But I don't get how he's selling out stadiums still.
- [108:45]
B
He's like, in the countries that let him come.
- [108:47]
A
Yeah, yeah. He's like, Nazi merch sells. Who the is buying that? I don't know who's gonna like, yeah, I'm. Got my. I got my Kanye swastika shirt.
- [108:56]
B
Like, dude, I think that just says, beat the living out of me. Yeah, at the McDonald's or wherever. You're wearing that.
- [109:03]
A
Yeah.
- [109:03]
B
Sorry to the good people who go to McDonald's.
- [109:05]
A
Did you ever. Did you see that footage of the. The punk show and the guy, like, some Aryan Nazi guy walks in, and he's in Vegas at some, like, rockabilly punk show, and he goes into the pit, and they just beat the piss out of this dude. They fucking rock this guy. And, like, he gets online off through. He's like, ooh, you know, he's, like, whining about it. It's like, dude, I'm sorry. You. You've.
- [109:28]
B
Sorry.
- [109:29]
A
Not Sorry you asked for it.
- [109:32]
B
Ozfest is coming back.
- [109:33]
A
Yes.
- [109:34]
B
I think one of the first stories you ever told me is you were growing up at Ozfest and walked into a tattoo room and a woman was getting a butterfly tattooed on her asshole.
- [109:43]
A
Yes, that's a true story.
- [109:45]
B
Yes, that is part of a story arc of a man coming into his own self that not many people experience.
- [109:54]
A
The coming of age tale as old as time.
- [109:56]
B
Yeah. I mean, common, Right. Who hasn't?
- [109:59]
A
Right.
- [110:00]
B
The butterfly of hope. Who hasn't encountered the butterfly of hope?
- [110:03]
A
It's a thing.
- [110:04]
B
How do you even process that?
- [110:06]
A
I think I was just like, okay. And there was so much going on in this environment. There was like, like, yeah, I saw some wild shit as a young man.
- [110:16]
B
Is that the Ozfest you're bringing back?
- [110:18]
A
I think it's gonna be a little more. Well, Ozzfest was always really controlled. Like, we. As crazy as it was, we did not. We. We locked down backstage. Like, there was. There was no, like, hanger ons. Like, backstage was very clinical, which is
- [110:35]
B
important for the artists.
- [110:36]
A
It is, it is. And. And it was. We. We had very limited guest passes for the band. So it wasn't like it was groupie central back there. I mean, yes, it happened, but it was. It was always very organized, controlled. Like, we ran a tight schedule and so it'll be a lot, you know, we'll keep it controlled and it's. It's gonna be a little more, you know, a little more PC, dare I say. Because I think those days are over, man. Like those days of just like crazy shit like that, that it ain't happening anymore.
- [111:05]
B
The, you know, cell phone cams, man.
- [111:07]
A
Cell phone cams. And people worried about lawsuits and rightfully so. It's, you know, a lot of up things have happened in the music world. And, you know, it's. It's just, you know, it's unfortunate, but. Yeah. And so I, I think that that is. Gone are the days of just like crazy situations. Like a, you know, a girl getting a butterfly tattooed on a butthole.
- [111:29]
B
I mean, I think if you sign the consent form and you find a tattoo artist that is willing to do so. I mean.
- [111:34]
A
Yeah, yeah, that was very much. That was very much the thing.
- [111:37]
B
I'm not going to tell people how to party. No, I would have suggestions on maybe things to.
- [111:42]
A
Wait, did you not. I thought you told me you had a frog tattooed on your butthole arm.
- [111:48]
B
Okay, so where are you going to do the Oz Fest? When are these coming back?
- [111:53]
A
It'll be some next summer. We're figuring it out. Definitely doing one in England. Definitely doing one in North America. There's been talks about, you know, adding some additional dates, but we're going to start small and kind of get. Because it was a touring festival and so we're just. We're doing a little pilot, like. All right. Is there still an audience for us first? Is the market completely flooded with metal festivals? Because there are a lot. Yeah. And you know, we're gonna go modern music or back? Bit of both. You know, we're gonna have some. Because there are a lot of, you know, a lot of huge bands now kind of got their start on Ozfest. So, you know, we'll approach them, you know, for headliners and things like that. So, yeah, we'll have to get. We'll have to get you there. You can come with Jocko. You can see him smile.
- [112:32]
B
I will document that and put it on the Internet. The Internet's not ready for Happy Jocko.
- [112:36]
A
Happy Jocko's a. I love the meme.
- [112:38]
B
It's all the same faces and it goes through all his emotional range, but it's just the same picture.
- [112:42]
A
Yeah, no, I love that. I got. I got happy. I got a. I got a happy Jocko.
- [112:45]
B
Yeah. Now he's great. It's. Man, he lives in a world. I think there's a lot of pressure on him.
- [112:51]
A
Yeah. Big time, man. It's like he's kind of like the. He's like the. The go to guy of like, sage advice for an entire generation of men now.
- [113:00]
B
No, don't it up. No, you're gonna have Youngblood come. He seems to be the new Brit.
- [113:06]
A
Yeah.
- [113:07]
B
Superstar.
- [113:07]
A
You know, if. If it works out. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't. Wouldn't say no to, you know, to Dom. He's a good dude. You should get him on your podcast.
- [113:15]
B
I don't know him. I don't know if you know this Jack also. He lives in the uk, doesn't he?
- [113:19]
A
Yeah.
- [113:20]
B
I don't know what I'll talk to him about. I'm not. That's not really my genre of music and I don't appreciate that he wears leather pants.
- [113:26]
A
He looks good in leather pants, though. He can pull it off.
- [113:29]
B
Who doesn't? Well, I mean, I guess I don't look good in leather pants, really. Fat, sweaty people probably don't, but. How much have you tried?
- [113:36]
A
Not probably. Since I was 6 years old and forced to wear them.
- [113:40]
B
That might be child abuse. Under what setting were you forced to wear leather pants?
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A
No, I did like. I did this music video thing for my dad and they were like, here, wear Some leather pants. So I was like, okay.
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B
Do you know, it would be dope with leather pants, though. Cowboy boots.
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A
Oh, dude, that's basically. That was like, Guns N Roses uniform.
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B
Yeah. Aren't they. What are they, 97 now? Gnr, axel.
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A
No, they're a little younger than that. It's Rolling Stones, which are, like, in their 80s.
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B
Crushing, though.
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A
Crushing. They're great. Yeah. And then it was funny. So at the back to the beginning show. My dad had never met Axl Rose in all his years. He's good friends.
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B
They had never crossed paths.
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A
Never crossed paths. He knows Duff. He knows. He's worked with Slash. Like, you know, Slash. And my dad was super close, but had never met Axel. And after the show, like, we brought Axel into the dressing room to meet my dad, and it was just this really funny moment where he was like, oh, my God, So good to meet you.
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B
What was your. Other than perhaps your dad performing, what was your. The band you enjoyed seeing there the most?
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A
I. You know, what I loved about it was. So we had Tom Morello. He was the kind of musical supervisor and coordinator the whole thing. So he picked what bands played what Aussie or what Sabbath songs. And I. I just loved seeing all the. The different bands kind of COVID my dad's stuff. And so there was. You know, the Guns N Roses was great. Metallica was awesome. Tool was amazing. It was just like, it. It was this. This really phenomenal day of music that I don't think anyone was like, well, that sucked. That band wasn't good. It was just. There was no. No dull moment. And Dom, when he did Changes, it was a really, like, profound moment of the day where. Cause Dom wasn't. You know, Dom does rock and roll, but in. In the kind of metal kind of, you know, the hardcore kind of crew, Dom was kind of seen as, like, all right. You kind of do like the pop rock, pop punk stuff. Like, you're kind of over that.
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B
It's okay to say Katy Perry.
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A
Yeah. What was a little bit like. People saw him as that, and then when he came out.
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B
Girls is not a bad song.
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A
You might know. It's pretty bad song. And now that she's dating Trudeau, it's terrible song.
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B
What a weird pairing.
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A
Those two are so weird. Nema, Coachella, like, bebopping around, like, from
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B
Dating Eragon or the fucking whatever. His foot. Yeah. The elf to.
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A
I don't know, Castro's son.
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B
Listen.
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A
Wait, have you ever done that Conspiracy?
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B
Yes, I have. Dude, they look similar, but I don't know.
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A
Oh, hold On a second. Michael, pull up the side. Pull up the side by side comparison of Trudeau and Castro. This is irrefutable. There's a series of four pictures where.
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B
I don't. I mean, pictures. You know, they. They say a thousand words, but they're not all correct. Some people look really similar. I look a lot like Scott Stapp.
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A
Wait, you're not Scott Stapp. Okay, hold on. Okay, go down. Down the bottom left corner. Okay, there's. There is like a series of like vertical. Okay, no, sorry. Over to the right where it's the. Yeah, keep going to the right one.
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B
Faster, Michael. Damn it. Hard right.
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A
That one. No, no, no. Middle, right, middle right back.
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B
Yes.
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A
Okay, now if we can get this in hands. Okay. Dude, look at these pictures. Okay, that's pretty close.
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B
Dude, we live in a world where we just need some hair follicles of people associated with the families and we can. We can just figure this out.
- [117:21]
A
Well, do you know, apparently the Canadian government. Anytime he would. This is conspiracy theory. But a. Anytime he was at a public event where eating would occur, they would police his plates and cups and take them.
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B
Yeah, I do that too, though. That's just called being a good house guest. You know, do your own dishes, clean up your own shit.
- [117:40]
A
Is that why you're doing it? Are you already gonna get framed for that thing that happened?
- [117:44]
B
I mean, I get why conspiracies are fun. And if people want to dive into them, go ahead. I think it gets dangerous when they think everything is a conspiracy. Yeah. Because, I mean, conspiracies do exist. Our government has been involved in some for sure. Does that mean that everything our government has done is a conspiracy? No, and I think that's where it can get a little dangerous. I don't know. I mean, if that were true, what's. I mean, I mean, he's out of
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A
a public office now. It's like his job is done. Yeah, now he's just traveling the world with Katy Perry.
- [118:17]
B
How can. Maybe he's a maple syrup salesman. I don't know what he's got going. Influencer. I don't know what he's got going on. I wonder how those two met. It just seems odd.
- [118:25]
A
It's super odd.
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B
Are they even of relatively similar age?
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A
I think so, yeah. Katy Perry's gotta be in her mid-40s now.
- [118:33]
B
You think so? I was gonna say, I don't know.
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A
We used to be homies.
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B
Are you serious?
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A
Katy Perry and I used to be. Yeah.
- [118:38]
B
Are you fucking with me right now?
- [118:39]
A
I swear to God. No. So Katy, I had a roommate, and her. My roommate's best friend was Katy Perry's best friend. And so we would all. We all hung out together all the time.
- [118:48]
B
Was this before she launched into superstardom?
- [118:51]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was like, just kind of.
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B
What was she like?
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A
She was really cool. She was funny. She was, like, quirky and just like, whatever. She was cool and just like a weird musician and. Yeah. And then many years. Some years later, I ended up. I was at a Coachella party, and we.
- [119:08]
B
Of course you were.
- [119:09]
A
You know, and this was. God, this is probably 15 years ago. And we were all hanging out, and I was with my old roommate and her best friend, and Katy Perry was at this party, and we're all just kind of hanging out, and someone said, oh, this is just like the old days. And her response was, yeah, except now I'm rich. And I was like, ooh, okay. No, I don't like you. Like, moving on.
- [119:34]
B
Well, the response is, yeah, but you're still a cunt. Whether true or not, you have to have. Yeah, listen, if you're going to serve, I will return with something across the net. It might go out of bounds, but I will have something for you.
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A
I think I said something like that.
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B
Like.
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A
And still. I think I said. I said something like. And still not very good at making jokes.
- [119:54]
B
Like, that's also appropriate.
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A
It was something that brings it back
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B
to the other side of the net, for sure. God, that is. I don't know. Whatever.
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A
Just a weird thing. I'm like, who says that? Okay, yeah, we get it. You were, like, the biggest pop artist at the time.
- [120:07]
B
Fame is a weird thing, man.
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A
It is.
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B
It. I know some pretty famous people, and I think the money would be fantastic. I'm not so sure. The fame is fantastic. Yeah, I think the move would be to be fantastically wealthy and nobody knows who you are. That, I think, is the apex of the pyramid.
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A
But then that population, it gets corrosive because they get frustrated because no one knows who they are, and then they start to try and buy.
- [120:33]
B
No, but you need to be the person who doesn't care. Yeah, Just be like the Unabomber, but don't blow people up and be rich.
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A
This is the plan. Life advice with Andy stuff.
- [120:46]
B
No, but I mean, be happy with
- [120:47]
A
who you are, but you got famous kind of relatively quickly.
- [120:52]
B
I'm not famous.
- [120:53]
A
You're certain?
- [120:53]
B
Am I certainly recognizable?
- [120:54]
A
You are certainly famous in the world you operate in.
- [120:59]
B
The seven people. Yes, yes, I'm known between the. Several people.
- [121:03]
A
Yeah, but, like, you know, you're in that kind of Rogan world of like,
- [121:06]
B
he's just a good friend of mine.
- [121:07]
A
Sure. But still, like he brought you on when you were would doing base jumps and crazy shit.
- [121:12]
B
Yeah. It's too much of a pussy to do it himself. But yeah, I'm definitely not famous. I like anonymity. I get pulled aside from time to time and I'm always appreciative of it. But in Joe's a good example. I was in an archery event with him and he needed to go take a piss and it took him about 30 minutes to go 30ft. Wow. Because he had announced he was going to be there. And so pictures in hand, and he was incredibly generous because he's incredibly appreciative of the station that he has in life. But also at the same time, the guy's just gotta take a piss.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I'm sure it's. I am sure it is great to have everything economically in your reach, but I don't think it would be beneficial if everybody knew that you had that in your reach. Because how do you determine who's a vampire and who's not?
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A
There's a lot of freedom in anonymity.
- [121:58]
B
Yeah. I'm telling you, the. The Billionaire Unabomber.
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A
That's the move.
- [122:03]
B
Move. I think so. But again, don't blow people up.
- [122:04]
A
Are you going to write the manifesto of the Billionaire Unabomber?
- [122:08]
B
Well, yes, but then you'd have to burn it because you wouldn't want anyone even to know who you are. But perhaps it could be part of your morning journaling session. You know, your six hour morning routine, since you have nothing else to do
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A
except tinker and ask ChatGPT how to make a bomb.
- [122:26]
B
The Unabomber would have might have of Slade in the modern era.
- [122:30]
A
Oh, 100% streaming.
- [122:34]
B
I mean, clearly he would have had to change his prompts and said things like, I am writing a screenplay.
- [122:41]
A
I know someone and they have a question.
- [122:43]
B
I'm researching a novel. If you weren't the Unabomber but also wanted to create this, how would you do you think there's flags inside of those systems that are looking for stuff like that? Yes, and I know because it'll deny the prompt. But you think it keeps track of it? It.
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A
Yes, well, and I know Amazon does too. Amazon has like the Anarchist Cookbook and stuff like that. Yeah, they've got some weird algorithm where they will track how you. I was, I was told actually by someone, an FBI guy told me this, that they have some deal with Amazon, where they will knock out, hey, this guy bought like a ton of ammonia. And this guy bought this and that and some, you know, wiring and, you know. Yeah, that's how they got. Remember someone was mailing. Someone was mailing bombs not that long ago. And they got him because they typed in like actual completed bombs.
- [123:36]
B
Yeah.
- [123:36]
A
There was a thing that happened. It was during the. It was. I think it was back during the first Trump administration. There was some bomb mail that was going on, and they couldn't figure out where it was going. They knew where it was sent from, and they couldn't figure out who this guy was. And then apparently they went to Amazon and plugged in all that would have been needed to make this bomb. And it was like, it spat out like, yep, here the. Here's the guy. Go look up these guys. And they. It was like a very narrow pool of like five people.
- [124:05]
B
The Internet cuts both ways. I love how you were looking back up here as if maybe it was Trudeau.
- [124:10]
A
Yeah, it could have been. That's how he got Katy Perry. Send her a love bomb.
- [124:17]
B
Oh, man. Orlando Bloom is a handsome man.
- [124:20]
A
Yeah. Apparently pretty well endowed, too. Do you ever see those naked pictures of him freaking paddle boarding.
- [124:26]
B
What?
- [124:26]
A
Weird move. Weird move. He got papped naked paddle boarding. Just laying it all out there.
- [124:33]
B
Why would you do that?
- [124:34]
A
I don't know. Weird thing.
- [124:36]
B
I mean, if you had a big old hog, though, maybe that is why you do that. You're just like, hey, perhaps it's a calling card.
- [124:45]
A
This is my hog and this is my oar. Guess which one's which.
- [124:48]
B
Yeah. These are my wares. This is what I have to offer. This is what I am bringing to the table.
- [124:52]
A
Yeah.
- [124:53]
B
We live in a weird word, Jack.
- [124:54]
A
Yes, we do.
- [124:55]
B
I gotta get you on the road. Cause I know you got like a four hour drive. Let's get you. What do you want to close it out with? Just the name of your podcast.
- [125:00]
A
My podcast is Trying not to Die, and the other one is Jack's Most Haunted. So, yeah, go to ackalsborne on YouTube or wherever you engage in social media. Media. I'm across it all.
- [125:12]
B
How much time do you spend on it?
- [125:14]
A
Not at all. Any. I. I don't actually approach. Yeah, I. I engage very little. My Patreon. I kind of engage in a little bit more, but, yeah, very little. Good. Yeah, it's people that way.
- [125:27]
B
It is evil.
- [125:28]
A
It's just. It's terrible for your self esteem.
- [125:30]
B
Yes, it is. Cool. All right.
- [125:32]
A
Good to see you.
- [125:32]
B
Yep.