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CLOC Talk
Hosted by Corporate Legal Operations Consortium · EN
Tune in to CLOC Talk every other week to discover thought leaders hailing from corporate law departments, law firms, legal technology enterprises, legal services firms, consulting services providers, and academia. You may just find the meaning of life.
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Live from the CGI Stage: The Powerhouse Perspectives Panel Discussion
Oct 1600:42:53Tap to summarizeIn this special episode of CLOC Talk, we take you to the 2025 CGI mainstage with the recording of our Powerhouse Perspectives panel discussion. In this thought-provoking discussion, moderator Aine Lyons dive into challenges and opportunities AI presents for legal, with panelists Karen Gally, Eric Dodson Greenberg, and Casey Flaherty. They explore key insights from McKinsey and Deloitte reports, discuss why legal departments must lead AI adoption proactively, and share strategies for integrating AI into daily workflows. From the power of storytelling and data analysis to the importance of curiosity and cross-functional collaboration, this conversation offers a roadmap for legal professionals looking to become AI experts within their organizations. Tune in for practical advice, strategic insights, and a forward-thinking perspective on evolving with technology. Thank you to our 2025 CLOC Global Institute CLOC Talk sponsor, DeepL.
Transcribe →AI, Empathy, and Legal Design
Feb 6, 202500:30:45Tap to summarizeIn this episode of CLOC Talk, recorded live from the CLOC EMEA Summit in London, Guest Host, Lewis Bretts, Partner at PwC chats with Alisha Andert, co-founder of This Is Legal Design and chairwoman of the German Legal Technology Association. Alisha shares her journey from traditional law into the field of legal design, her passion for innovation, and her work with legal technology company Flightright. They discuss the role of design thinking in law, simplifying legal content, and how AI intersects with legal design. Tune in as this episode touches on empathy's importance in design, the challenges of the legal profession, and future trends in legal design. Special thanks to our sponsor DocuSign for this episode!
Transcribe →Augmented Intelligence: Leadership in the Digital Age
Jan 23, 202500:35:11Tap to summarizeIn this episode of CLOC Talk, Jenn sits down with Nancy Rademaker, Co-Founder of Drawify & Speakers Club, and our brilliant opening keynote at our EMEA 2024 Summit in London. They discuss how AI can solve business challenges by improving efficiency and reducing manual tasks, as well as the importance of identifying the right problems before deploying AI solutions. Nancy touches on the role of AI in enhancing employee engagement and well-being by pointing it at preventing productivity loss and solving knowledge management issues. Tune in as Jenn and Nancy share insights on generational differences in adapting AI tools, the potential of augmented intelligence, and how emerging technologies like brain-computer interfaces could revolutionize various fields! Special thanks to our sponsor Docusign for this episode!
Transcribe →The Legal Operations Blueprint: Aligning Strategy with Company Goals
Jan 9, 202500:30:24Tap to summarizeIn the episode of CLOC Talk, guest host Jeremiah Kincannon chats with Justin Schweisberger, Chief Revenue Officer at Pramata and Kari Walden, Assistant General Counsel at Jack Henry about strategic planning in legal operations. They explore the importance of aligning legal operations with company strategy. And, share hurdles and successes, like improving sales contract processes and implementing post-contract management systems. Justin and Kari emphasize the significance of communication, timing, and achieving quick wins to gain buy-in for legal operations initiatives. Tune in as they offer tips on persisting through failure and learning from experiences!Special thanks to our sponsor Pramata for this episode!
Transcribe →Legal Project Management Unpacked: Insights from the Experts
Dec 12, 202400:29:18Tap to summarizeIn this episode of CLOC Talk, guest host Jeremiah Kincannon, advisor on CLOC’s Voice and Brand Council chats with CJ Nicastro, Program Manager, Global Affairs & Legal Strategy Operations at Google and Scott Rosenberg, Managing Director & Corporate Counsel at Unbiased Consulting, LLC, both co-chairs of the CLOC Legal Project Management Committee. They discuss the relevance and application of Legal Project Management, otherwise known as LPM in the legal industry. CJ and Scott highlight misconceptions about LPM and the importance of integrating project management principles into legal workflows. They emphasize the need for lawyers to embrace project management skills and the value of matter lifecycle management for improving efficiency and process alignment. Tune in as this episode covers strategies for gaining leadership buy-in for LPM initiatives and offers guidance for legal professionals looking to enhance their project management capabilities.
Transcribe →AI, Rapping, and Legal Pricing: The Future of Law
Dec 5, 202400:55:41Tap to summarizeThis special episode of CLOC Talk comes straight from the main stage of our APAC Summit 2024 in Sydney. It features a closing panel discussion on how generative AI is influencing legal ecosystems. Moderated by Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at Centre for Legal Innovation, the participants engage in a lively debate over whether AI will fundamentally change pricing models for legal services. They are: Anna Golovsky, Executive Manager, Legal & Company Secretariat Operations at IAG Petra Stirling, Head of Operations & Transformation at Westpac Group Legal Genevieve Collins, Chief Executive Partner at Lander & Rogers, and Michelle Mahoney, Chief Innovation Officer at King & Wood Mallesons The panelists adopt playful 'rap names' and present arguments both for and against AI significantly altering pricing structures. They discuss challenges, the ongoing shift toward collaborative practices between law firms and in-house counsel, tech vendors, as well as evolving relationship dynamics. Tune in as the panelists reflect and engage with the live audience on the role of digital literacy and AI in transforming legal ecosystems.
Transcribe →Automating Agreements: Data-Driven Contracts with Bernadette Bulacan
Nov 21, 202400:13:22Tap to summarizeOn this episode of CLOC Talk, recorded live from CGI 2024 in Las Vegas, Jenn chats with Bernadette Bulacan from Icertis, our awesome Diamond-Level sponsor. They tackle the tricky world of contract lifecycle management! Jenn and Bernadette explore why it's important for everyone to understand contract processes, not just the legal team. Bernadette breaks down how different teams play a role and why it's smart to segment contracts, especially those high-volume, low-risk ones like non-disclosure agreements. They also get into best practices for contract automation and making data-driven decisions. Get ready for a great conversation about how legal, finance, and tax teams can work better together!
Transcribe →CLOC Talk LIVE: Insights from APAC Summit 2024!
Nov 14, 202400:41:08Tap to summarizeThis episode of CLOC Talk comes straight from the main stage of our APAC Summit 2024 in Sydney. Jenn had a fantastic panel discussion with Caryn Sandler, Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer at Gilbert and Tobin; Mick Sheehy, Global Clients & Markets Leader at PwC Legal Business Solutions; and moderator, Matt Duncan, Legal Operations Director at Australian Retirement Trust. They explore how legal operations is growing and changing – not just within companies, but at law firms and tech providers too. The panelists shared some interesting challenges around integrating legal ops in different environments such as: figuring out hybrid roles, balancing strategic and operational work, and harnessing the power of AI. Enjoy this exciting conversation as they get into some of the regional differences between legal ops in the U.S. and Australia and share their predictions for the future of legal operations in 2030!
Transcribe →Agile Law Down Under: Telstra's Legal Transformation with Craig Emery
Oct 31, 202400:34:24Tap to summarizeIn this episode of CLOC Talk, recorded at the 2024 APAC Summit in Sydney, Australia, Jenn sits down with Craig Emery, the head of the legal chapter and chief compliance officer at Telstra. Craig highlights his roles and responsibilities at Telstra, including his transition to the group company secretary role. Jenn and Craig discuss Telstra's implementation of an agile legal chapter structure, innovative use of AI for compliance, and the benefits of a central legal front door system. Craig shares insights on creating efficient legal services, leveraging technology, and fostering an innovative mindset within legal teams. Enjoy this impactful conversation as Craig emphasizes the importance of balancing compassion with the challenge of leadership. It’s also full of advice for legal ops professionals on how to start small and build upon digital transformation efforts!
Transcribe →Meet the Europe Region Leaders!
Oct 17, 202400:16:50Tap to summarizeIn this episode of CLOC Talk, recorded live at CGI 2024, Jenn sits down with Sheila Dusseau and Sean Houston, Europe region leaders, to discuss their experiences and insights as part of the founding advisory council in Europe. They delve into how legal operations in Europe differs from the U.S., focusing on resource constraints and the drive for efficient processes. Sheila and Sean highlight the necessity of strategic thinking, humility, and integrity in hiring for legal ops roles and emphasize the importance of communication, storytelling, and questioning the status quo as essential skills. You don’t want to miss this discussion as they emphasize their commitment to advancing the legal operations field in the Europe region! Enjoy!
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