662: Nominally Fine

Summary

Clockwise Episode 662: Nominally Fine

Date: June 24, 2026
Hosts: Dan Moren & Micah Sargent
Guests: M.B. Bischoff (partner at Lickability, poet), Jeff Carlson (writer, photographer)

Episode Overview

In this episode of Clockwise, the panel covers a newly announced Valve Steam machine and its pricing, preferences around third-party camera apps and the customization coming to iOS, strategies for buying tech during sales events like Prime Day, and the role of being the “tech person” among friends and family. The show wraps up with a lighthearted bonus question about favorite treat-yourself grocery items.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Valve's New Steam Machine and Gaming on PC vs. Console

[00:45 – 07:07]

• Micah Sargent introduces the topic, asking if the all-in-one gaming PC from Valve, priced around $1,000, is appealing to the panel—especially given Valve’s position as both hardware maker and game distributor.
• M.B. Bischoff:
  • Noted they're not into gaming: “It looks nominally like fine to me.”
  • Feels there’s a market for plug-and-play PC gaming, but it’s not personally relevant.
  • [02:15]
• Dan Moren:
  • Valve is walking a line between PC gaming and the console market, noting it's still pricier and less plug-and-play than a typical game console.
  • Acknowledges technical challenges: “It’s probably a little too expensive for console gamers, but for people who just want to play high-end games without building their own PC, maybe there’s a sweet spot.”
  • Cites bad luck in launching during a "RAM and storage crisis."
  • [02:42]
• Jeff Carlson:
  • Calls the Steam machine "very impressive" after a hands-on photo shoot at Valve.
  • Considers $1,000 reasonable, but wonders how it stacks up for DIY PC builders or console buyers.
  • Adds a quirky feature: “You can take off the front and put on customized base plates, which I thought was totally unnecessary and kind of cool.” [05:23]
• Micah Sargent:
  • Sees value for Mac users like himself: “I have a lot of Steam games I’ve purchased and have yet to play…having this device that I can just plug in...really appeals to me.”
  • Echoes concerns about high hardware prices amid component shortages.
  • [05:43]

2. Third-Party Camera Apps and iOS Camera Customization

[07:07 – 12:03]

• M.B. Bischoff:
  • Asks which third-party camera apps the panel actually uses, recognizing that many are installed but seldom opened.
• Dan Moren:
  • Prefers simplicity: “The camera app is perfectly fine for what I do. I would honestly like the camera app to be customizable, to have fewer of those things in there.”
  • Uses the built-in app almost exclusively. [07:36]
• Jeff Carlson:
  • Uses Halide, especially for unprocessed shooting: “It takes it out of Apple’s processing pipeline…sometimes it just feels good, like less processed in that way.”
  • Cites convenience of the native Camera app as the deciding factor for most quick shots. [08:46]
• Micah Sargent:
  • Doesn’t take many photos; uses Halide for rare special shots.
  • Main reliance is also on the built-in app. [10:13]
• M.B. Bischoff:
  • Uses Halide frequently (noting Lickability works on it).
  • Also highlights “65 by 24,” a panoramic app, and “no Fusion,” another app with physical device support and minimal processing.
  • “They partner with the manufacturer for a physical device that you can put your phone into and manually control the camera app with that grip.” [10:58]

3. Tech Buying Habits During Sales Events (Prime Day, Black Friday)

[12:41 – 18:00]

• Dan Moren:
  • Kicks off the segment noting it’s Prime Day and asks if the panel waits for sales to buy tech.
• Jeff Carlson:
  • Waits for big sales on “camera stuff, hard drives, those kind of regular types of things.”
  • Buys robot vacuums and accessories during sales but “doesn’t keep a master list.” [13:12]
• Micah Sargent:
  • Realizes he waits for sales on tech he wants vs. needs.
  • Uses price trackers like CamelCamelCamel.
  • “If it’s something that I want, yeah, I think it turns out most of the time I'll just wait for it to go on sale.” [14:33]
• M.B. Bischoff:
  • Usually buys when they specifically need something, but sometimes a sale prompts a purchase (recently, AirPods Max 2 for battery life). [15:45]
• Dan Moren:
  • Sometimes delays a purchase for an imminent sale, but “if I’m willing to wait that long for a sale, I don’t really need it.”
  • Uses historical price data for timing larger purchases. [16:38]

4. Being the “Tech Person” for Family and Friends: Inspiration or Just Fixes?

[18:00 – 24:26]

• Jeff Carlson:
  • Asks if being the go-to tech helper leads to inspiring others to learn, or if friends/family just defer without curiosity.
• Micah Sargent:
  • “For the most part it’s the latter…learning because something is broken.”
  • Heartwarming exception with his grandma, who now helps others and practices increased skepticism toward scams. [18:24]
• M.B. Bischoff:
  • Strives for unobtrusive fixes, but dives deep when genuine curiosity is there: “When someone comes to me with that genuine curiosity, then I like to nerd out about and info dump a little bit.” [19:46]
• Dan Moren:
  • Shares his wife’s preference for being taught, not just having things fixed: “It’s so much faster if I just do it…but I get it and I respect that.”
  • Sums up that it depends on both the person and the task, with younger children absorbing different skills naturally. “It is amazing to me what other things he has taken to so quickly…” [20:30]
• Jeff Carlson:
  • 18-year-old child headed to college and learning Mac for the first time, despite being a long-time Chromebook user.
  • Relishes the chance to teach foundational skills: “I get to teach somebody the fundamentals that I think a lot of people miss because they just want to focus on a task.” [23:04]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• M.B. Bischoff:
  • “It looks nominally like fine to me.” [02:15] (Episode title inspiration)
• Jeff Carlson:
  • On the Steam machine: “You can take off the front and put on customized base plates, which I thought was totally unnecessary and kind of cool.” [05:23]
  • Self-reflection: “I feel like I have failed in my parenting…I get to teach you how to use a Mac.” [23:22]
• Micah Sargent:
  • Grandma tech success story: “She has, like, gone on to teach the people that she's around about being more skeptical of incoming texts about missing USPS packages...” [18:24]
• Dan Moren:
  • On customizing the camera app: “I would honestly like the camera app to be customizable, to have fewer of those things in there.” [07:36]
  • “If I’m willing to wait long enough until there’s a sale, I don’t really need it.” [16:38]

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Bonus Topic: “Treat Yourself” Grocery Items

[24:55 – 27:23]

• M.B. Bischoff:
  • Brooklyn Seltzer Boys deliveries—“I have been on a wait list for this seltzer for at least a month…and the fancy made it. I've made it.” [25:18]
• Dan Moren:
  • Limited edition seltzers or sandwich cookies (analogous to Oreos).
  • “If I’m in like Whole Foods and…they have limited edition flavors…I can't not…” [26:02]
• Jeff Carlson:
  • Trader Joe’s elote-flavored corn chips: “If I go to Trader Joe’s and I don’t come home with those, I hear about it from my family.” [26:43]
• Micah Sargent:
  • Tony's Chocolonely dark chocolate bars, especially appreciated for their fair trade commitment. [27:11]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Topic | Time |
|---|---|
| Valve’s Steam Machine & PC Gaming | [00:45 – 07:07] |
| Third-Party Camera Apps & Customization | [07:07 – 12:03] |
| Tech Buying Habits During Sales | [12:41 – 18:00] |
| Being the “Tech Person” | [18:00 – 24:26] |
| Bonus: Grocery Treats | [24:55 – 27:23] |

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Episode Tone

The conversation is playful and insightful, highlighted by friendly ribbing among guests, self-aware humor (“It looks nominally like fine to me”), and heartwarming anecdotes about family and tech. The balance between technical discussion and accessible, real-world application makes it engaging for casual listeners as well as tech enthusiasts.

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Transcript

[A]

It's Time for episode 662 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, June 24, 2026. Clockwise, four people, four tech topics, 30 minutes.

[B]

Welcome back to Clockwise, the tech podcast that doesn't need a partnership with Google to answer questions. I am one of your hosts, Micah Sargent, and I am joined across the Internet by my good pal, my dear friend, Dan the Man Morin. How you doing, Dan?

[A]

I'm doing well. I'm glad you didn't have to look up who I was on Google, because who knows what Google would say these days. Although I not to I will note I have a Wikipedia entry now.

[C]

Wild congrats.

[A]

So you can look me up on there and then Google will know who I am.

[B]

Nice. That, that's, that's pretty great. I'm very happy for you, Dan. Totally, totally, entirely happy for you. Not jealous at all. While we process that, let us move along to introduce our wonderful guests. To my left partner at Lickability and poet, it's M.B. bischoff. Welcome back to the show, M.B.

[D]

thank you. Happy Pride. Good to be here.

[B]

Happy Pride.

[A]

And to my left this week it is writer, photographer and late nighter, Jeff Carlson. Welcome back, Jeff.

[C]

Thank you for having me on again. I knew you before Wikipedia.

[A]

We all did.

[C]

So we've got bragging rights.

[D]

I don't know that I knew you before Wikipedia existed.

[A]

Well, no, Jeff, maybe. I don't know. We go back, maybe.

[B]

All right, so let us go ahead and get rolling here. We've got four topics, 30 minutes. Mine for you is this. What do we think about Valve's Steam machine and its newly announced price? I'm kind of curious if you've thought about PC gaming as an option and if something like this is all in one from a company that is also a distributor of many a game. Makes sense for you. Embi, we'll start with you.

[D]

I have not thought about PC gaming in 20 years. Um, I, I'm not a gamer really. And so this, I didn't even see this come out, but it looks nominally like fine to me. Seems like a. It seems, it looks fine. It's, you know, it's a, it's a thousand ish dollars for a, for a gaming PC that you put under your tv. I don't know, I think that there's a market for that, you know, so

[A]

Steam is very obviously got a lot of clout, very popular. I think one of the tricky things here is Valve is trying to walk this line between the PC gaming market and the console market. And you know, it's still much more expensive than a console like even with all the price hikes. And that to me is the question like, because if you're looking for people to hook this up into in their living room, I think that the curve, you know, learning curve, barrier to entry is probably still a bit higher than hooking up a, a game console where it's really just this widget, right? It's like plug it in, turn it on and go. You know, some of the Steam stuff I've seen, you know, early reviews, talking about, there were some challenges getting to recognize things. You gotta maybe do a little more fiddling and so things have to, and things have to download all of this stuff. So maybe it's more approachable than somebody building their own PC. But you know, there's also the question of do the, does the market who wants to build their own PC like that aspect of it, right? Do they like the hands on customization and therefore trusting a standalone, you know, device that's sort of closer to a console, might that not be quite the right market? So I don't know. I think it's probably a little too expensive for console gamers but for people who are just like I want to play, you know, like high end games without having to delve into building my own PC. Maybe there's a, maybe there's a sweet spot there. But I think that unfortunately they, they had some bad luck in terms of when to launch this too amidst the entire RAM and storage crisis. That probably didn't help them with their bottom line there. Jeff, what do you think?

[C]

I fall in the same camp as mb? I've not really thought about gaming. So like I look at this and think well that seems reasonable for what seems to be a very beefy PC. And also this is a computer that will also run all sorts of PC things. It's not just a gaming machine. I actually, I've had a little bit of hands on time with this. I did, oh nice. I got like a, well, hands on time. I was taking pictures. Scott Stein was, was actually getting the hands on stuff. But we got like a super secret preview at Valve, I don't know, I guess in October or something and just from that like it is very impressive and so $1000 seems like a reasonable price to me. But that also may be that I've been in the Apple world where everything kind of costs a thousand dollars and up anyway. So I don't know how it compares for consoles and people like you said, who are building their own boxes. But for Someone who just wants something that they can slot in and get started with. It seems reasonable. Also you can take off the front and put on customized base plates, which I thought was totally unnecessary and kind of cool.

[A]

Nevermind, I take back everything I said.

[B]

Yes, that'll do it. No, I'm with you. I think this is for me. I have a lot of Steam games that I have purchased and have yet to play because I very much feel fall prey to the email that comes through and says, hey, that game on your wish list is on sale and because I primarily run a Mac I am not able to play a lot of the stuff, but much of the stuff and then the other non Mac games I play on a Steam deck and so having sort of this device that I can just plug in, get rolling, perhaps finally play some of the games that I have in my library, it really appeals to me. But I agree with Dan that you know, now it's a hard time right now to launch stuff that requires RAM and still have it be priced accordingly. But Jeff, you touched on the other aspect of it, which is that I'm used to spending $1,000 or more on a piece of hardware, so they've, they haven't completely lost me. Thank you all for your answers on that. Let's go to our next topic which comes from mb.

[D]

Yeah, so I feel like I just got back from wwdc, even though that was a few weeks ago, and one of the things that was rumored for iOS27 but hasn't showed up yet, it might show up in the fall, is a more customizable camera app. So imagine in the camera app you can drag controls around similar to third party camera apps that we've seen over the years. And it just made me think about what third party camera apps are you actually, which ones have you installed and which ones are you still using?

[A]

That's good. I'm glad you drew that distinction there because the answer is I've installed a bunch of third party camera X over the year and do I use any of them with any regularity? No. And I know they offer a lot of customization, I know they offer a lot of power and things that you can't necessarily get. But, but for me as a non like photographer, you know, as somebody who is not interested in tweaking stuff but is most interested in just capturing the picture, you know, the camera app is perfectly fine for what I do and in fact I would honestly like the camera app to be customizable, to have fewer of those things in there. So that I don't get as distracted by or accidentally turn off various things. And so I think for me, like that's kind of what it comes down to is simplicity over everything. And I'm sure there are camera apps that do that too, you know, but for me it's really just about kind of getting to the picture faster. Fortunately, we have Jeff here who is a photographer and probably has more opinions about this, but we'll see.

[C]

Well, kind of. I also have many, many camera apps on my, on my ph. And in terms of third party ones, the one that I will turn to more often is Halide or Halide. I never know how to say that correctly. And mostly that's because of their feature to shoot things that are unprocessed. It takes it out of Apple's processing pipeline and you tend to get darker darks and a little more contrast and sometimes it just feels good, like less processed in that way. That said, the convenience factor is huge. And so almost every picture that I take with my phone, I'm using the internal camera app because I can just swipe from the right edge of my phone when it's locked and get right to it and take the picture that I want. So every once in a while I feel like, oh, I'm, I'm kind of letting the whole photography world down. That, that sounds megalomaniacal. Nevermind. I feel like I should have a responsibility to use more of these. But man, the convenience of. Look, I just want to take a shot of, you know, this squirrel that's running by. I don't need to go crazy with this because I know that the camera app will do a good job kind of period.

[B]

I, I don't, I rarely even use the, the primary camera app, the one that's built in. I don't know why, but I don't take a lot of photos. And so I have probably six to eight third party camera apps on, on my device. Certainly Halide. Halide is the one that I turn to when I'm thinking, oh yes, I am finally taking a photo and I want to do different things with it. Then I will go into, I'll launch Halide. But yeah, I primarily just don't take a lot of photos, so it's very easy for me to just pull out the primary camera app and use that. Empy, what are your thoughts?

[D]

I've got a lot of them installed and I also use a lot of them. I use Halide a lot. They're also a client of ours at Lickability. We work on a few things inside the app. So I have, you know, early versions of it that we're testing and working on things for, which is fun. I also really like this camera app called 65 by 24 that my girlfriend introduced me to. It's a panoramic camera app and it's really well designed, so if you want to take panoramas at that aspect ratio, it's great for that. And recently I was introduced to a new camera app called no Fusion, which, which has that similar feature to Halide's Process Zero, where you can take photos without processing. And I really enjoy the ui. Plus, they have a neat thing that I haven't tried yet, which is a physical device. They partner with the manufacturer for a physical device that you can put your phone into and manually control the camera app with that grip. So I might want to give that a shot at some point.

[B]

We have reached halftime here at clockwise. So thank you all for your answers thus far. I want to remind you all about our swag at clockwise social. When you head there and buy our swag, our hats, our tote bags, our shirts, our stickers and more, you help support the work we do here on the show. So please head to clockwise social, pick up some swag, and then make your way back to your seats quietly. Thank you. Okay, good. Oh no, Someone dropped some popcorn. Anyway, we are back from halftime and that means it's time for Dan's topic.

[A]

Hello, it's time for my topic. So we of course are recording in the midst of the multi day extravaganza that is prime day. And so my question for you is, do you wait for tech products to go on sale before buying them, or do you maybe wait only for specific types of products? Do you watch prices throughout the year or just wait for big promotional times or do you just frankly ignore it all? Jeff, what's your strategy?

[C]

I would say for most specific tech things, I will wait for a big sale like this. So for example, I recently got a new camera and I need CFexpress Type A memory cards, which tend not to be as cheap as the old SD cards. And so I was very definitely waiting for this week to pick up some because I knew that they'd be on sale and they were. So for that especially like camera stuff, hard drives, those kind of regular types of things all wait for a big sale. I think like we have two robot vacuums that we've gotten over the years. Those have all been on sales like this because they always seem to go on sale. So I think I will hit a few of those things on a sale like this. But I don't have like a master list of the next time the prime sale comes around, which I mean is going to be what, three weeks from now, four weeks from now? It's not really the big thing that it used to be. I don't have anything like that. But when it does come up, I'll be looking for things like storage and things like that.

[A]

Storage. Let's see if that goes on sale.

[C]

Super exciting. Ooh, storage.

[B]

Very fun. I, I like to. I didn't think that I was a person who waited for sales, but in, in thinking about this question I realized, oh yeah, I do because when it comes to charging stuff, Anker especially, they do some actual legitimate prime day or other promo sales. And when I bought my 3D printer, I waited for it to go on sale around. I think it was a Black Friday sale for that. And we have, when we've thought about getting a different television for a room would say, okay, we're going to wait until Black Friday and, and purchase it then. So yeah, I guess I do wait for sales before I buy tech. For the most part I would say, you know, if it's, if it's something that I need, then I'm not going to wait for a sale for it. But if it's something that I want, yeah, I think it turns out most of the time I'll just wait for it to go on sale with camelcamelcamel or other means of tracking it. Mb, what about you?

[D]

Not really all up because usually if I'm looking at something, I have a specific purpose in mind for it and there's. It's sort of time bound in some way, I guess in some of the ways that you've been saying, like there are things that I don't really need or I don't really need for anything specific coming up that I'll just put on a list and if I get notified that it's on sale that might make me more likely to buy it. This happened recently. I've been using AirPods Max 1 for quite a long time and the battery is not doing so well and I didn't have any particular reason to upgrade to two other than battery life. And so when those went on sale recently, I did, I did pick up a new set. So things like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But generally I'm just getting stuff when I, when I realize I need it.

[A]

Yeah, thanks for your thoughts on that. I, I think I'm probably similar. I don't tend to wait as Much for big sales. Occasionally if there's. I know there's a big ticket item, you know, I will keep an eye. Especially if it's like nearby, like, you know, I was thinking about buying something earlier this week. I was like, oh, prime days in like two days. So I like waited to see if the thing I was looking for would go down a little bit because it happened to coincide. And every once in a while if it's something. But like, I find that even if I, If I'm waiting for something and I'm willing to wait long enough until there's a sale, I don't really need it, so I don't buy it. I do occasionally use price tracking for things where I do have like, okay, this thing might be worth it to me, but I gotta wait and see. You know, when it comes down to a certain price or say, ah, it's been cheaper than this looking at something like Camel, Camel, Camel, which is also great for tracking the. Not just tracking and be alerted when things change price, but also looking at the historical list of like, okay, this thing is as cheap as it's ever been right now. So that means it's perfectly good time to buy it. So I employ a variety of strategies. I do like trawling through the deal lists on things like Prime Day, but I often find more often, you know, more often than not that I just sort of go, yeah, that's nice, but it's not something I really need. So thanks for helping me save some money. Thank you all for. Again for that. Let's go to our final topic, which comes from Jeff.

[C]

Right. So just by our presence here, I'm assuming we're all kind of the tech people in our families or friends. And I'm sort of curious if. Do you feel like you're inspiring others around you to learn more about tech or does everyone just assume you're the tech person and defer to you for expert area, excuse me, for expertise. And aren't necessarily curious about learning about all this stuff.

[B]

What an interesting question. I would say that for the most part it's the latter. I don't think that the tech help that I provide is about sort of learning from the excitement factor. It's learning because something is broken and I need it fixed. But I will say that of everyone that I've helped, my. It's been my grandma who has become the most curious and most sort of proactive person and has like gone on to teach the people that she's around about being more skeptical of incoming texts about missing USPS packages and stuff like that. So that was very inspiring to see play out. And I think that that is one of the things that I perhaps rely on when I'm getting frustrated in a moment where I'm going, oh, man, you know, why are we still installing softw? Shouldn't I could sort of then look to my grandma and go, okay, there are success stories out there and it's very helpful. What about you, Embi?

[D]

A little bit of both. I think that as a technologist and a designer, my goal is usually to make technology that gets out of the way so that people don't have to understand how it works. And so that's my go to. Like, if somebody wants help, I want to fix it for them if I can and make it unobtrusive and get out of the way. I don't want to necessarily educate them if they're not interested in that. But sometimes people are genuinely curious and they want to know how something works. They want to know how a camera works or how an app works. And when someone comes to me with that genuine curiosity, then I like to nerd out about an info dump a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, I think it, yeah, it probably varies a little bit. I, you know, so my, my wife famously will, like, when I want to tell her about something, she will, like, be very much like, look, don't, don't do it for me. Like, tell me what to do so I know how to do it. And, like, I understand what's going on. And sometimes that's hard for me as a person who wants to, like, dive in and fix things. Like, it's so much faster if I just do it and, and. But I get it and I respect that. Like, yep, makes sense. And I think as a result, you know, that that does help her figure stuff out more. That said, I think sometimes her resistance is so strong that I won't be like, let me tell you about a cool thing you can do. And she's like, stop, stop.

[B]

Please don't tell me about that too much.

[A]

And then there's other sides of the coin, right? Like, you know, I try to help my parents with stuff, and they are not the most tech savvy. I think they're okay. But they, they do struggle with things sometimes, and they often, you know, just need a thing to get done. And sometimes they will ask me to, like, go through again and slowly, like, show them everything. But a lot of times, you know, I don't have. It depends on what the task is. Like, earlier this year, I was Setting up like a new cable boxes for them. And it was a nightmare of like jumping through stuff. It's like, I'm not going to explain all this to you. The end of the day you want to be able to turn on the television, have television work. And so that is my primary concern here is let me get to a point where you don't have to worry about any of that and everything just works. And so I think it depends on a lot of factors who the person is, whether they're interested in these things or whether they just want something done. I'm really interested to see my son who is almost for like how he deals with this because right now, you know, he is sometimes, you know, when we're on a trip or something, he'll be watching video on his iPad and he gets very frustrated at times when he does something that he doesn't, something happens, he doesn't understand why. So like he'll be watching an app and the like, you know, the video will get like shrunken down from full screen and he's like, he'll get upset because he's like, I don't want it like this. And we have started to get to the point where he's old enough that like we can show him some. Okay, tap on this and press this button. And he's, he's still like, is not quite there with all the manual dexterity needed to do some of these things. But it is amazing to me what other things he has taken to so quickly just by seeing us like, but scrolling and tapping on things like all that stuff is kind of second nature, just absorbed from stuff. And so I'm curious to see if he evinces more of an interest in just technology in general as he gets a little older because I think that could be a lot of fun. Jeff, why don't you wrap us up?

[C]

Yeah. Well, what really brought this up? I'm glad you brought up your kid because my 18 year old is going to college and so we got a MacBook Neo, great college machine and, and realized that they've never really used a Mac. I feel like I have failed in my, my parenting. I know, I know because.

[B]

Sorry, that's.

[C]

I know, I know because they've always had crappy Chromebooks from school and so, you know, and, and really like wanted nothing to do with computing other than what they needed to do to make the assignments work and all that. And so I'm in the position now I'm like, oh, I get to teach you how to use a Mac. And they want to know like, how it works, like the concepts around it versus just look, something's broken. I need this fixed. Or why is it doing this thing? Which is kind of typically, I'm in that role of Jeff, something's gone wrong, help me fix it. And so I just find myself in this interesting space where I'm like, oh, I get to teach somebody the fundamentals that I think a lot of people miss because they just want to like, focus on a task. And I'm hoping that it goes well. But, you know, at least I have this opportunity. So it's, it's kind of interesting.

[B]

I love that. I'm glad that you have, have been given the opportunity and that both, like, everybody's in on it, everybody wants to participate. That's what makes it fun. All right, folks, that brings us nearly to the end of this episode, but I've got just enough time for a bon. Bonus topic for you. I would like to know what is your sort of treat yourself grocery item, the thing that goes in the cart, even though it's not on the list. Embi, we'll start with you.

[D]

Micah, I am so glad you asked this one because I have a great answer. I. I am a seltzer fiend. I love seltzer, but I am so into this that I can't even get the kind of seltzer that I want at the grocery store. I have contacted, I have contacted a group, people known as the Brooklyn Seltzer Boys.

[B]

What?

[D]

And these boys? Yes, yes. These boys collect and maintain vintage seltzer bottles. You know, the ones with the like sort of clown style spray top and they, they bring 10 of these bottles to your apartment at a time, drop them off personally, and then, and then exchange the bottles, maintaining them in between. And so I, I have been, I have been on a wait list for this seltzer for at least a month. And I've been thinking about this seltzer for years before signing up for the Boys. But next week I'll start having the fancy seltzer and the fancy made it. I've made it.

[A]

That is. That is bananas. As a fellow seltzer enthusiast, I'm, I'm intrigued.

[D]

Only in New York.

[A]

What about you, Dan? I know Boston doesn't. We don't have that. I have to do store bought stuff. Yeah. I will say limited edition flavors recently have been the thing that too have got me, you know, if I'm in like Whole Foods and sometimes they have limited edition, like seltzer flavors or they have limited Edition versions of, you know, their version of Oreos, essentially. I can't not because, like, I was in there a week or two ago and I was walking by and one of the end caps had. They had their sandwich creams, Key lime pie flavor. And I was like, well, I gotta get that because I know, I know my wife will always be like, ooh, limited edition. So, yeah, that's probably my. My guilty one, Jeff.

[C]

Well, I think whenever I go to Trader Joe's, there are these corn chips that are elote flavored. I think I'm saying that right. Oh, yeah, they're very spicy. And you mix that with some guacamole and they're actually a perfect balance. And also because if I go to Trader Joe's and I don't come home with those, I hear about it from my family.

[B]

So where are the elote chips?

[C]

Exact.

[B]

For me, it's just a Tony's Chocolone bar. As long as it's one of the dark chocolate varieties, then yeah, that's going in the cart if I see it.

[D]

Tony's Chocolone.

[B]

What?

[C]

What is that?

[B]

So it's this company that it's. I feel like it's very Willy Wonka themed, but yeah, Tony's Chocolonely. And they just make really good chocolate. And they also are very, very, very about their fair trade ways. And so those two things come together and I guess it's. I didn't know this. It's a Netherlands chocolate and it's very good Dutch chocolate. And so many different flavors. And yes, if. If there's one somewhere nearby, that's the good thing about them is that they're not usually in the front of the store right where you. But the problem is sometimes I order groceries from an app and an app has an algorithm. An algorithm says, hey, you know what you haven't put in your cart yet? Tony's Chocolonely. And then I do. So anyway, thank you all for your answers on that. If you out there listening would like to get ad free episodes with an extra unwound episode every week where Dan and I talk about stuff and things you can become a member of clockwise. Go to Relay FM clockwise to sign up $7 a month, $70 a year to help support the show. Truly we are. At the end of this episode, all that's left is to thank our awesome guests. MB Bischoff, thank you so much for being here.

[D]

It was my pleasure.

[A]

And Jeff Carlson, thank you so much for joining us.

[C]

So happy to be here. And now I'm hungry.

[A]

You're welcome. Micah will be back next week, but until then, we remind everyone out there

[B]

listening, watch what you say and keep watching the clock.

[A]

Bye, everybody.