666: I'm Just Poorer Than You

Summary

Clockwise Ep. 666: "I'm Just Poorer Than You" (July 22, 2026)

Episode Overview

Episode 666 of Clockwise dives into four fresh tech topics with hosts Dan Moren (“Dan Devilman Moren”) and Mikah Sargent, joined by guests Alex Cox (unemployed documentarian and podcaster) and James Thompson (screensaver developer, book reviewer, and Glasgow tour guide). Despite playful nods to the episode’s “satanic” numbering, the tone is light, irreverent, and insightful, with frequent personal anecdotes and witty banter. Topics this week include waterproofing tech, changing opinions on technology, device financing and upgrade cycles, and tech purchase guilt.

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[00:47] Topic 1: Waterproofing Tech – How Much Does It Matter?

Micah Sargent sets it up:
“How much does waterproofing or water resistance matter to you when it comes to choosing your tech? And…I would love to hear what is the sort of riskiest that you are willing to be when it comes to water and tech.”

Alex Cox [02:10]:

• Most tech decisions regarding waterproofing are made for them by companies (“every iPhone iteration that got more and more durable…I’m like, okay, cool, great.”)
• Will put tech in risky situations for “getting a camera shot or getting some audio” (over the side of boats, underwater, etc.)
• Is precious with tech–until working, then goes all-in.
• Notable Quote: “Once the camera or the audio recorder is on, like all of that is out the window.” [02:50]

Dan Moren [03:08]:

• Doesn’t specifically seek waterproofing but appreciates it.
• Riskiest device: Apple Watch (worn everywhere, including giving child a bath or sometimes swimming).
• Likes the security that, if an accident happens, “it’s probably okay.”

James Thompson [04:03]:

• Waterproofing is like “insurance”—reassuring, but doesn’t want to test it.
• Phone, watch, AirPods benefit the most; avoids tech in water otherwise (“certainly not taking photos of mermaids, mostly because I can’t swim”).
• Laptop is most at risk but “is not waterproof in any meaningful way.”
• Wish: Apple should waterproof laptops.

Micah Sargent [05:08]:

• Uses waterproofing for convenience (“when I shower, keep my watch on and shower with it on specifically to, like, clean off the watch”).
• Doesn’t swim with phone.
• Ultimately: “it would matter to me if it wasn’t there. So I do like to know that it’s there to keep my stuff safe.”

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[05:42] Topic 2: Changing Your Mind About Technology

Alex Cox:
Critiques the overuse of the word “inevitable” in tech press, advocates for openness to mind changing.
“When was the last time you changed your mind about any sort of technology for the better?”

Dan Moren [06:15]:

• AirPods Pro completely shifted his opinion on in-ear headphones.
• Formerly a Bose over-ears fan, bought AirPods Pro on a trial–never looked back (“They’ve become like the only headphones I use…”).

James Thompson [06:54]:

• Reflects on early optimism for AI, thinking it would “bring about the betterment of mankind.”
• Now sees consequences “shredding their way through the creative industries, the education sector, war zones, and humanity in general."
• Notable Quote: “And indeed, the possibilities were endless. And as well as all the good possibilities, there were an equal number of absolutely terrible unintended consequences.” [07:23]
• Still likes AirPods.

Micah Sargent [07:55]:

• Once skeptical of “wireless charging” (not truly wireless if there’s a wire somewhere).
• Wireless charging and especially MagSafe changed his mind—now a devoted user.

Alex Cox [09:01]:

• Was skeptical about self-hosting tech, but Synology NAS and open-source software (Audiobookshelf) changed their mind.
• Appreciates increasing agency and convenience of self-hosting (“It’s almost feels the same as like sharing a CD with somebody. I can hand them a digital photo frame…”).
• Optimistic about the growing ecosystem for owning and managing personal media.

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[12:08] Topic 3: Phones and Device Financing/Upgrade Programs

Dan Moren:
Asks about how everyone upgrades or buys their phones (“Would you consider an upgrade program for another non phone Apple device?”).

James Thompson [12:49]:

• Buys devices outright (when can afford; company often pays).
• Notes the UK no longer offers Apple’s official Upgrade Program—now replaced by “Flexible Finance Account.”
• Existing upgrade intervals for computer and watch: 5–6 years, so sees no value in non-phone upgrade programs.
• Slight concern that rising RAM/storage prices may eventually require financing.
• Strategy: “I think the most likely thing is I’m just going to slow down purchasing things until they're no longer supported by Apple.”

Micah Sargent [14:20]:

• Similarly, employer pays upfront; would otherwise use upgrade/financing programs for pricey items.
• Doesn’t see need for programs for AirPods; would consider for more expensive devices.
• Current approach: protesting high prices by delaying purchases.

Alex Cox [15:17]:

• Buys outright; initial reason was that it used to be the only way.
• Cites longevity of Apple Silicon devices for extending upgrade cycles.
• Dislikes feeling of “renting hardware”—prefers to own and pass along old devices (“my first-generation iPad Pro is the bedroom clock…”).

Dan Moren [16:27]:

• Has been on the iPhone Upgrade Program since inception—appreciates bundled AppleCare and automated trade-ins.
• Less enthusiastic about the rumored revamp of Apple’s program—doesn’t turn over iPads/Macs frequently enough to need such a model.
• Caution: Wary about how these payment programs potentially encourage overextending consumers for expensive tech (“…pay for a lot over the course of the device and maybe have risks about, you know, what happens if they don’t end up paying…”).

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[18:23] Topic 4: Tech Purchases and Guilt

James Thompson:
Confesses to purchasing Valve’s new Steam machine (“something I absolutely should not have done”). Asks if others have recent tech-guilt—and offers mock “absolution.”

Micah Sargent [18:42]:

• Declined a Steam machine purchase when offered, so “no guilt”—claims to be in a “protest era,” buying less tech.

Alex Cox [19:25]:

• No guilt; if anything, wishes had bought more (or gotten work to pay for more).
• Makes creative justification for testing phone cases (“changing a phone case, that’s like getting a nice little new dress”).
• Repurposes old devices, e.g., Pixel 3.

Dan Moren [20:35]:

• Recent obsession: buying budget-friendly e-readers (XT Ink X4, XT 8.3, X4 Pro with light).
• Frames it as a “good budgetary decision” and beneficial (“What’s the worst that happens? I read more books. Oh no.”)
• “Trying to get stuff out of my house…on the opposite trend.”

James Thompson [21:39]:

• Entered lottery for Steam machine, “won the chance to give Valve all my money.”
• Paid £938 (~$1200) for a device equivalent in power to a PS5, but much more expensive due to AI industry shortages.
• Consoles himself that it’s an “investment” for future-proofing and for PC game library.
• Memorable moment: “This is the point where you tell me I’m also forgiven.”
  Micah: “You are forgiven.” [23:31]
  Dan: “I don't think we have that power. Sorry.” [23:34]
• James jokingly offers “absolution” and embraces his guilt.
• Alex: “I’m poorer than you, James.” [21:51]
• “I have more pronouns than you, James. You can’t win this.” [21:58]

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[23:41] Bonus Topic: Your Signature Doodle

Alex Cox [23:52]:

• Loop-de-loop spirals linking end-to-end with a straight line (“the kind of things that in grade school you would practice cursive before you could do cursive”).

Dan Moren [24:24]:

• Go-to doodle is a (badly drawn) cat—has done this since childhood, still not improved as an artist.
• Has recently been leaving “terrible doodles” and puns (like “have a fin-tastic lunch”) in son’s lunchbox.

James Thompson [24:57]:

• Rarely doodles (rarely holds pen); if so, in condensation on windows—initials “interlocked like a secret sigil,” or a smiley face.
• Jokes: “But no, I don’t doodle. I’m just better.” [25:18]

Micah Sargent [25:20]:

• Default doodle is the letter M ("just ripe for flourishes"), and textual doodling/writing random phrases.

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[26:15] Notable Quotes & Humor

• Dan, introducing the episode: “There’s nobody I’d rather engage in some satanic panic with than you, Micah.” [00:44]
• Alex, on self-hosting audiobooks: “The UI, guys! Oh, I don’t know how you do it. More power to you.” [09:10]
• James, on the PS5-equivalent Steam Machine: “…until the AI industry nicked all the components along with everything else they've nicked, and you know, the price just skyrocketed.” [22:41]
• On phone purchases:
  • James: “I think for me, you know, just an envelope full of cash.” [14:06]
  • Dan: “Must be nice to have your businesses buy for…” [16:18]
• On pronouns:
  • James: “Look, just because I have brightly colored hair and pronouns doesn’t make me evil.” [01:39]
• Final tongue-in-cheek gesture:
  • Dan: “Remind all of you listening out there, watch what you say and keep watching the clock.” [26:41]

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[26:27] Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Witty, playful, with self-deprecating asides and a collaborative, occasionally conspiratorial spirit.
• Panelists display a consistent appreciation for personal agency in tech: owning one’s devices/media, spending mindfully, repurposing older hardware, and candidly interrogating consumer technology hype.
• Reflective of the current tech moment: skepticism about financing/upgrade programs, growing wariness regarding AI’s societal ramifications, and a back-to-basics appreciation for practical features (water resistance, device longevity).

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Useful for those who missed the episode:

This wrap captures not only the subject matter but the distinctive personalities and attitudes of the panel, offering insight into the real-life decisions and feelings tech enthusiasts wrestle with every day.

Transcript

[A]

It's Time for episode 666 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, July 22, 2026. Clockwise 4 people, 4 tech topics, 30 minutes.

[B]

Welcome back to Clockwise, the tech podcast that's also hexadecimal 29A. If makes you feel safer, I am one of your hosts. My name is Micah Sergeant, and I'm joined across the Internet by my good pal, my dear friend. It is Dan Devilman Morin. How you doing, Dan?

[A]

There's nobody I'd rather engage in some satanic panic with than you, Micah. Honestly, it's. It's good to be here at episode 666. They said we not. They didn't say we couldn't do it. They said, really? No, you really don't. But we. But we did anyway. So 666 episodes. That's quite a now good run

[B]

today. Well, while we ponder our fates, let us welcome our wonderful guests. To my left, unemployed documentarian and podcaster, it's Alex Cox. Welcome back, Alex.

[C]

Hello.

[D]

Thank you so much for having me Again for this lovely satanic panic, or for me, just the regular kind of panic.

[A]

And to my left, it's Screensaver developer, professional book reviewer and Glasgow tour guide, James Thompson. Welcome to this very special episode. James.

[C]

Look, just because I have brightly colored hair and pronouns doesn't make me evil.

[B]

I love it.

[C]

I love it.

[B]

All right, folks, we have four topics, just 30 minutes, and mine for you is this. I'd like to know, how much does waterproofing or water resistance matter to you when it comes to choosing your tech? And then I would love to hear what is the sort of riskiest that you are willing to be when it comes to water and tech. Alex, we'll start with you.

[D]

I almost think that most of my tech decisions have unfortunately been made for me by the companies when it comes to waterproofing. Like every iPhone iteration that got more and more durable, let's say I'm like, okay, cool, great. That being said, I tend to put my tech in very risky situations when it comes to either getting a camera shot or getting some audio. I've been, you know, over the side of boats, I've been underwater. Oh yeah. Lots of ocean related stuff when it comes just to capturing a moment. And I haven't had too many disasters so far. Yeah, I guess I am just usually very precious with my tech. But once the camera or the audio recorder is on, like all of that is out the window.

[A]

That's as it should be. I mean, you got to get that shot or that audio, it's got to be done right. You know, waterproofing be darned. I don't know why I corrected myself. This satanic episode has got waterproofing be damned. So, yeah, I think I'm with Alex in the sense that it's not a feature that I specifically seek out, but I appreciate that, you know, companies including Apple, have continue to make their devices more water resistant. I think probably the, you know, riskiest I get with a device is like, an Apple Watch, right? Because I wear it everywhere. You know, if I give my kid a bath or something, like, I'm not taking my Apple Watch off. Like, it gets in the water. It gets in the water. You know, I don't necessarily swim with it. I think I have. I think I've done. I've swum with it before, although it's been a long time. I'm not jumping into the pool with my phone on me. But, like, I do appreciate the security of knowing that if I do, it's probably okay. James.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I think for me it's a bit like insurance. I like to know it's there. I'm happy to pay for it. But also, I don't want to have to test how well it actually works in practice. I mean, generally it's only really my phone, watch and maybe my AirPods that I would consider a useful thing. For I live in a traditionally very wet city, so going outside with expensive technology requires a certain amount of, like, base waterproofing by default. But, you know, generally for everything else, I'm not bringing my laptop to the park. You know, I'm also, I'm not swimming with my watch on. I'm not, certainly not taking photos of mermaids, mostly because I can't swim. But, like, even if technically these devices are to some degree of waterproof, I'm not going around submerging them. And, like, the one thing is, my laptop, which I'm pretty sure is not waterproof in any meaningful way, is possibly the most at risk from, you know, errant cans of Coke and things like that. So that's what I want Apple to do. I want them to waterproof our laptops.

[B]

That would be nice. I agree. Those tend to be the devices for me that are most at risk. If I've mowed, I will then, when I shower, keep my watch on and shower with it on specifically to, like, clean off the, the watch. Um, but I don't do that with my phone most often. So waterproofing, water resistance, it doesn't necessarily matter to me. But it would matter to me if it wasn't there. So I do like to know that it's there to keep my stuff safe. All right, thank you all for your answers on that. Let's go to our next topic, which comes from Alex.

[D]

So in the past couple years, I've heard the term inevitable to describe all types of technology in the press more than I've ever heard that word before, honestly. And that frustrates me a little bit, because the only thing inevitable about technology is that I'm going to apparently put my phone in some water. So I'm wondering, when was the last time you changed your mind about any sort of technology for the better?

[A]

The last thing that really changed my mind about technology for the better, I think, was the AirPods Pro. Because I was never a user of in ear headphones I really preferred. I had a pair of Those like Bose QC35s that were really nice and, you know, they felt good, they had good noise canceling, all that. And I was very skeptical that these tiny little pieces love earbuds. I bought them thinking I got two weeks, I can always return them, and I have never looked back. They've become like the only headphones I use other than for podcasting. And even on the go, like when I'm traveling and I need to do a podcast, I just use my AirPods Pro.

[C]

I did part of my computing science degree on AI some 32 years ago, and ever since those very early days, I thought AI was a really fascinating technology. I couldn't wait to see how it developed over time. It would very definitely bring about the betterment of mankind, elevate us all, etc. Etc. And you know, even as recently as five years ago, I thought it would be great if we could talk to computers using natural language. And unlike the stilted responses you got from something like Siri, they would talk back to us like the robots from science fiction. They would be our friends, our therapists, our confidants, our lovers. And I couldn't wait to see how it really all developed. The possibilities felt literally endless. And indeed, the possibilities were endless. And as well as all the good possibilities, there were an equal number of absolutely terrible unintended consequences which are currently shredding their way through the creative industries, the education sector, war zones, and humanity in general. So that's my line in the sand. And also, I do like AirPods.

[B]

The last time I changed my mind about technology for the better, it was 100% wireless charging, because up to that point I had been occasionally reporting on some truly wireless charging technology like off and on when it would come up, attending cess and following these companies that said they were going to do it. And by that I mean you could walk around your house and it would be like a WI fi router that's passing electricity into your phone through magic. I always saw that as wireless charging. And so when wireless charging that we have with the inductive coils took place, I was salty, very salty about it, and thought this is not wireless because the thing that plugs into the wall has a wire that doesn't. There's a wire there. And then I started using wireless charging and then MagSafe came out and let me thwack my phone to all sorts of things and forget about it. And now I love wireless charging, so that one is mine. Alex, what about you?

[D]

I was really not necessarily down on the idea of self hosting stuff. It's more of I'm like, I love this in theory, in practice I have not been able to get it to work and I'm a nerd and I don't know how I'm going to convince other people to do it. And in the past couple of years, especially with a Synology and a specific example of software I use is audiobookshelf, which is a way to self host your audio books in your own library so that you don't need to use gosh, even if you're a fan of Audible or like the Kindle ecosystem, the UI guys, oh, I don't know how you do it. More power to you. And when I discovered this open source software I realized that oh, there's a way, way bigger market than I had thought with folks making apps for AudioBookshelf, which is again like you self host it on your Synology or Nas, like your local home network. And then I was like all in and started to also realize that my parents were like, hey, I love my digital photo frames but can I keep them on a device? I'm like oh, oh, okay. So it's in like also in the vein of owning your own media. I just think self hosting and just locally storing your own stuff separate from the rise in subscription prices, folks are just like, this is, you know, not just convenient but I feel like I have a little bit more agency and it's almost feels the same as like sharing a CD with somebody. I can hand them a digital photo frame, I can, or I can send them a link to my, you know, even something like Plex. Just the amount of options out there is going to skyrocket and I, at least I hope I am choosing to be optimistic about this and like how I was in the past.

[B]

All right, we have reached halftime here on clockwise and yes, the pattern presents itself once again. You can buy clockwise swag. Yes, we have shirts and hats and all sorts of stuff. Clockwise social is where you head. When you head there you will see things for your head hats that you can put on them as well as stickers that you can put on them if you want to, but maybe put those stickers somewhere else and also shirts and other things that have to go over your head. So anyway, head to clockwise social media and check out our swag. Dan, it's time for your topic.

[A]

I have 17 stickers on my head. Am I doing this right?

[B]

You're doing so well, Dan. I'm so proud.

[A]

I don't want to take them off. I think they're going to peel off what hair I have left. Anyways, Apple is reportedly, according to a story in Bloomberg, revamping its upgrade program offering. So my question for you, how do you buy your phones? Do you buy them outright? Do you use carrier deals? Do you do financing? Would you consider an upgrade program for another non phone Apple device? Thoughts?

[C]

Jane, I wanted to start this by saying no, I just steal phones.

[A]

It's you. You're the phone thread problem. I knew it.

[C]

I tend to buy all my devices outright because generally if you can afford it, it's usually the best deal rather than going through these finance things. Also, my company is paying for them. I don't 100% know exactly how our work or how any of that works. So I mean, I didn't think we even had the iPhone upgrade program in the uk and I may have said that on a podcast yesterday that was a lie. Apparently we did at one point and they phased it out this January for a thing called Flexible Finance Account in partnership with something called Creation. And it sounds exactly kind of like the Klarna thing that we're hearing about that might come to the us. I mean, as for the other devices, my computers tend to be bought on like a five or six year upgrade cycle and my watch and iPad actually pretty similarly. So I don't see the need for a kind of upgrade program for those. I'm sure Apple would love me to, but you know, maybe as the prices of RAM and storage continue to increase, you know, maybe we will need some longer term financing to be able to actually afford computers. But I think the most likely thing is I'm just going to slow down purchasing things until they're no longer supported by Apple and Apple don't listen, I don't mean that if you drop support earlier, I'm going to buy new things. But yeah, I think for me, you know, just an envelope full of cash.

[B]

That's lovely. I also, because the job that I have pays for it, we pay for them outright. I think if I was doing it on my own, I absolutely would be using some sort of upgrade program of some sort. Not for, I think like AirPods are still well within the range of just buy it outright. Not, not going to, you know, horribly break the bank or anything like that, but anything more expensive than that. Absolutely. But I'm with James. I'm moving to, in my mind a place of if it's something that I'm paying for, then I'm going to wait and hope that these prices go down and not in a way condone the idea that, well, we've got to raise all these prices because that's just what we got to do. So I don't know, I protest, I protest.

[D]

I tend to buy my devices outright. At the beginning it was just because that's the only way you could get an iPhone. And now with especially Apple Silicon lasting so long and being just so good, I'm always hesitant to, I don't know, basically rent hardware because it feels, I don't know, it feels icky. And I've also gotten a lot of value out of even devices that aren't supported anymore. My iPad Pro, or first generation iPad Pro is the bedroom is my bedroom clock on my wall and I love it. So I'm going to just keep using what I use and buying stuff and hopefully kind of passing them down to friends and family like I have always done.

[A]

These are all good answers. Must be nice to have your businesses buy for.

[D]

No, yeah, right. Gosh.

[A]

Right, right.

[D]

Nice fl.

[A]

But that, that business is me. Yeah. I've been on the upgrade program basically since it started, which was over a decade ago, and I think it's worked out pretty well for me. I mean, you know, I haven't done the math on what the trade in values would have been if I had sold every iPhone, but I also didn't have to, you know, go through that hassle. Like the whole thing was kind of automated and there were some, there were some hiccups throughout the early years especially, but they kind of got it down in the last several years. And so, you know, for me, as someone who didn't necessarily want to spend, you know, the huge amount in one Go. And was pretty confident, like, well, I'm going to get a new iPhone next year and I'm going to keep this one for a year. Like it always felt like it worked pretty well, like there were no additional fees, like I was paying for that and I got AppleCare bundled in and so that seemed pretty, pretty positive. I'm less sure about this revamp. It doesn't sound quite as good to me. So I'm not sure I'll be doing that. And as a result, I'm not sure that I would consider that for any other devices like, like James, I think was saying, I don't, I don't feel the need to turn over my other devices like my iPad or my Macs like that frequently that it seems like a good deal. So I'm a little skeptical. But I think my biggest challenge with these upgrade programs is as they're looking to be formulated going forward, is that it definitely feels a little bit like, yeah, like let's, let's make sure everybody can pay a low price to buy an expensive thing. They will then pay for a lot over the course of the device and maybe have risks about, you know, what happens if they don't end up paying for it because they can't get the money together for a payment. All of that feels it's inevitable.

[D]

Dan?

[A]

I don't know. Was that, was that.

[D]

Anyone else hear that here?

[B]

That was weird.

[A]

That was weird.

[B]

Sister episode.

[A]

Episode 666. It's strange. All right, let's. Let's go to our final topic which comes from James.

[C]

So I just bought a Steam machine from Valve, something that I absolutely should not have done. Have you bought any tech recently that you feel guilty about and would like me to absolve you of your sins?

[A]

I think you mean your company bought it, right, James?

[C]

No, this one was actually me. This one was me.

[B]

Interesting. No, I feel pretty good about the purchases that I've made because James, I'm here to tell you that I did get a notification. Hey, you're on the waitlist. And hey, would you like to buy a Steam machine? And I said no. And so if I had purchased it, then I would need your absolution. But yeah, I. There's not technical right now that I feel guilty about having purchased because as I mentioned, I've really kind of stopped buying tech for a little while. I'm in my protest era right now. Alex, what about you?

[D]

I don't think so. In fact, I almost wish I had made more purchases. Not even. Or had my job Pay for more things, I guess, but again, because hardware continues to be, maybe not as water resilient, but just, I mean, again, like, I find use for my Pixel 3 and it's great. James would like some absolution over the amount of phone cases I've tested over the years. Because I have sort of chosen to believe, like, all right, I don't really buy clothes. Like, I basically wear the same thing. And what is not changing, like changing a phone case, that's. That's like getting a nice little new dress. I don't know. Right, right, right, James. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. It's the same phone, so it's not going to waste.

[A]

My current like, like obsession with buying stuff is. Is not as expensive as a Steam machine. I actually have a Steam machine. It cleans carpets. It's a pretty good. Why are you booing me? I'm right. I buy. I've been buying E readers. That's what I've been doing. I've been buying little tiny E readers. I bought the little XT Ink X4 and then they came up with a smaller one, the XT8.3. I bought that one. And then they announced an X4 Pro with a. With a light in it. I was like, whoa, sign me up. These guys have my numbers. But I'm going to point out I bought three of these probably for a fraction of the price of James's Steam machine, so. Because I felt like that was a good budgetary decision. And you know what? What's the worst that happens? I read more books. Oh, no. I'm feeling pretty good about my purchasing decisions right now. I'm trying to get stuff out of my house. So, yeah, I'm on the opposite trend. Sorry, James, why don't you wrap us up?

[C]

Well, you know, I was prepared to absolve you all in the name of whichever warlock patron I serve, but you're apparently all better people than me. Yeah. So I entered the lottery.

[D]

I'm poorer than you, James.

[C]

I mean, there's no judgment.

[D]

I have more pronouns than you, James. You can't win this.

[C]

Well, So I entered the lottery for the Steam machine and I won and won the chance to give Valve all my money. It's really not cheap at all. I spent £938 on the entry level model with a controller which is currently over 1200 of your freedom dollars. And it's a tiny P running Valve's own SteamOS, which is about the gaming equivalent of PlayStation 5. And it was rumored to originally Cost about a similar amount to a PS5 until the AI industry nicked all the components along with everything else they've nicked. And you know, the price just skyrotted, skyrocketed. And it does look like if you took an Xbox Series X and cut it in half, I could make the case that it's an investment to try and ride out the next three or four years of increasingly overpriced hardware or. And now I can buy cheaper games on the PC. And I've got a vast library of stuff already on Steam, most of which I've never played.

[B]

Same.

[C]

But it arrived like a few hours before we started recording and so far I've only set it up. Played about five minutes of Portal 2 and it, you know, seems very nice. It's got a nice ui. I'm gonna sit with it and try and find something more demanding after we finish recording. But it feels like a kind of nice console, decent user interface designed for TVs. I but just horrendously expensive. And this is the point where you tell me I'm also forgiven.

[B]

You are forgiven.

[A]

I don't think we have that power. Sorry.

[D]

You know what? Keep buying those indie games, James. And that's my plan. Yeah.

[B]

All righty folks, we have just enough time for a bonus topic. Quickly, I would love to know what is your signature doodle? The thing you draw when you are absent mindedly doodling.

[D]

I tend to make little loop de loop spirals that are the kind of things that in grade school you would practice cursive before you could do cursive. Except I have forgotten how to do cursive. And the one odd thing that distinguishes it is that I need to loop back around with a complete straight line to connect the two ends. I can't explain it, but I noticed that in a notebook after I saw this question. So I guess that's mine.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

I think my go to is usually I've been. When I was in elementary school, me and a friend of mine who is now a very successful cartoonist would tell stories about cats and I would draw cats. And I was very bad at drawing cats, but it was the only thing I could draw. And now I draw cats and I'm not any better at it. They look the same but I've been trying to the last few days I've actually been putting notes in my son's lunch with really terrible doodles in them and puns. So yeah, today I think it was a fun fish and it said I hope you have a fin tastic lunch

[C]

the truth is, I very rarely have a pen in my hand, so I don't tend to doodle anything. If I come across a window covered in condensation, I usually, like, draw my initials interlocked like a secret sigil or a smiley face. But no, I don't doodle. I'm just better.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I have to say, most of the time it's fun. The letter M. So I guess I'm a narcissist, but I really like drawing the letter M. It's got straight lines and loopies and it's like just ripe for flourishes. And so it's easy to just kind of do in the background while I'm doing other things. But I'm also. I'm more of like a text doodler in general. I'll just write out random phrases and stuff when I'm trying to think. So, yeah, all over the place. But never drawings because I'm terrible at those, I guess. Thank you all for your answers on that. Hey, if you out there would like to get ad free episodes with an extra unwound episode every week, you can become a member of Clockwise. Go to Relay FM, slash clockwise, sign up $7 a month, $70 a year to help support the show. And with that, we've reached the end of this episode of Clockwise. All that's left is to thank our awesome guests. Alex Cox, thank you so much for being here.

[D]

Thank you as always for having me. It's such a privilege.

[A]

James Thompson, thank you so much for joining us.

[C]

I'm evil for a wide variety of other reasons.

[A]

Well, this show's dip into evilness must come to an end because it's the end. And we'll be back next week, however, with episode 667. Presuming nothing bad happens until then, we remind all of you listening out there,

[B]

watch what you say and keep watching the clock.

[A]

Bye, everybody.