668: Coming Soon to Pontoon Boats

Summary

Clockwise Ep. 668: Coming Soon to Pontoon Boats

Hosts: Dan Moren, Mikah Sargent
Guests: Rosemary Orchard, Christina Warren
Date: August 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Clockwise covers creative solutions for sharing data across devices, the ever-expanding reach of CarPlay (including pontoon boats), concerns with Apple’s privacy features, nostalgia for “dead” media formats, and a lighthearted look inside the hosts’ junk drawers—all in under 30 minutes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sharing Data Between Devices

Prompt: What’s your favorite or most reliable way to share data between your devices?
[01:20–06:09]

• Rosemary Orchard:

  • Aspires for an automated syncing system, but relies mostly on Universal Clipboard and AirDrop within the Apple ecosystem for instant transfers.
  • iCloud is sometimes unreliable but has improved.
  • Quote (Rosemary, 01:47): “If I need something and I have to get it from one device to another instantly, it tends to be a combination of Universal Clipboard and AirDrop.”

• Dan Moren:

  • Former Airdrop loyalist, but iOS 27 beta issues have made it unreliable.
  • Workaround: saves files to iCloud Drive on the desktop—reluctantly, as it clutters workspace.
  • Quote (Dan, 02:41): “It’s not my ideal thing because I hate files cluttering up my desktop… I much prefer the idea of the Airdrop because it feels very transactional. It works much more with my brain.”

• Christina Warren:

  • Recommends LocalSend, an open-source cross-platform file sharing tool, for those constrained by corporate devices or operating outside the Apple ecosystem.
  • Quote (Christina, 03:38): “LocalSend.org… It is great. It works on Mac, it works on Windows, it works on Linux... you can just send files or even text snippets back and forth across devices as long as you’re on the same local network.”

• Mikah Sargent:

  • Echoes Airdrop frustrations; has to regularly kill the “sharingd” process on Mac.
  • Has used other open-source solutions for cross-platform sharing, also plugs the utility of just using a USB drive for big folders.
  • Quote (Mikah, 04:36): “When AirDrop works, it works really well. But… sometimes it still doesn’t work and it’s just a nightmare.”

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2. Where Would You Put CarPlay/iOS Next?

Prompt: What device would you want to put CarPlay or iOS on, and for what use?
[06:09–10:52]

• Rosemary’s original topic notes CarPlay expanding to pontoon boats.

• Dan Moren:

  • Suggests an E-bike interface: a mini CarPlay-like display for navigation, podcasts, workouts.
  • Quote (Dan, 06:37): “I like the idea of having like a little mini display on there that has my, you know, my CarPlay setup. I could listen to a podcast or maybe I could get some navigation directions… I think that would be really, really fun.”

• Christina Warren:

  • Echoes E-bike, pivots to endorsing the smart-fridge idea—specifically a kitchen-specific iOS display as an upgrade from prior clunky iterations.
  • Quote (Christina, 07:45): “Having an iOS type of device that is not an iPad… that could just be like a mirror of your iPhone as, you know, kind of like a Spotify's car thing… in the kitchen I think would be great.”

• Mikah Sargent:

  • Wants CarPlay at his desk—ideally, an iPad running as a CarPlay mirror for the phone.
  • Quote (Mikah, 08:35): “Honestly, still on my phone. I just wish I could enable like CarPlay mode or something. Or that I could take an iPad and have it be a CarPlay mirror for my phone. Wouldn’t that be neat?”

• Rosemary Orchard:

  • Recommends a USB-powered CarPlay head unit for the desk.
  • Bonus suggestion: CarPlay for airplane seatback screens, to easily display your own media on long flights—coined as “FlyPlay” or “AeroPlay.”
  • Quote (Rosemary, 10:12): “The one place I think it would actually be great is where you have a screen built into the back of a headrest on like long haul flights… just being able to like connect your device … and then have it like play your media through that screen.”

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3. Flaws in Apple’s Privacy Features

Prompt: With recent reports of Apple’s Private Relay and Hide My Email not shielding data as advertised, do you use these features? Are you concerned?
[13:09–19:57]

• Christina Warren:

  • Never fully trusted privacy services, but wants better tools.
  • Uses VPNs and “Ask apps not to track” settings; frustrated by security holes in paid Apple privacy features.
  • Quote (Christina, 13:44): “I always do the do not track and do not share data stuff. Sorry developers, but that’s about, that’s about all I can do.”

• Mikah Sargent:

  • Echoes frustrations: Private Relay often breaks app/web functionality, requires disabling; skeptical of total online privacy.
  • Quote (Mikah, 14:55): “It’s stopping my ability to access the web. And then on top of that… maybe it’s not being as protective as possible.”

• Rosemary Orchard:

  • Sees privacy tools as just putting eggs in a different basket.
  • Relies on built-in protections (e.g., SSL), is very cautious about which data actually gets uploaded to the Internet.
  • Avoids Private Relay because it “completely broke my phone to start with.”
  • Quote (Rosemary, 16:06): “If there’s any data that is truly private and I don’t want anyone else to have, I don’t put it on the Internet.”

• Dan Moren:

  • Similar frustrations: Private Relay off/on due to reliability; difficulty using the feature on some networks.
  • Raises issue that these are paid privacy features bundled in iCloud+, so reliability and actual privacy delivery are a must.
  • Quote (Dan, 17:58): “It may provide an illusion of security or privacy to people paying for something that they don’t necessarily get. So I think it’s worth a hard look from Apple.”

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4. Dead Media Formats—Which Do You Still Use or Collect?

Prompt: Is there any “dead” media format (like VHS, cassettes, etc.) you still keep around, buy, display, or play?
[19:57–26:51]

• Mikah Sargent:

  • Keeps vinyl records and a turntable; admires creative ways of displaying and emulating media.
  • Would have VHS if they had a player—settled for a large DVD library instead.
  • Quote (Mikah, 21:14): “[My partner] would have VHSs if we had a VHS player for sure.”

• Rosemary Orchard:

  • Still uses/buys physical DVDs (for conversion to Plex), especially for childhood favorites to share with her child.
  • Finds tapes/cassettes too cumbersome due to rewinding.
  • Quote (Rosemary, 22:20): “I don’t think I could handle having to rewind something to watch it again. So I think VHS and also, therefore cassette tapes for audio are probably out for me.”

• Dan Moren:

  • Makes the case for paper books as “the deadest of dead media.”
  • Still has CDs and cassettes (mostly digitized); prefers digital for convenience, but enjoys nostalgia for old games—mostly via emulators today.
  • Quote (Dan, 23:26): “I love reading paper books. Those are the deadest of dead media because they’re dead trees.”

• Christina Warren:

  • Buys vinyl for collecting, Blu-Ray/UHD for Plex rips and extra features, and embraces limited cassette releases of modern albums.
  • Recently purchased a $80 Maxell wireless Bluetooth cassette player, largely for fun and nostalgia.
  • Finds re-releases (like the Blair Witch Project on VHS) “kind of cool.”
  • Quote (Christina, 25:00): “I did drop $80 on a Maxell wireless Bluetooth cassette player which has USB C fast charging... have I used it other than playing one thing one time? No, but it’s, it’s fun.”

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Bonus Round: What's in Your Junk Drawer?

Prompt: What item do you regularly use from your junk drawer?
[26:51–28:17]

• Rosemary: Box cutter (desk drawer); dog poo bags (downstairs junk drawer)
• Dan: Stamps (downstairs)
• Christina: Scissors or AA/AAA batteries (kitchen)
• Mikah: Blue “Ring doorbell” screwdriver for swapping batteries

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• “LocalSend is great. It works on Mac, it works on Windows, it works on Linux.”
  — Christina Warren, 03:38

• “I just wish I could enable carplay mode, or take an iPad and have it be a CarPlay mirror for my phone. Wouldn’t that be neat?”
  — Mikah Sargent, 08:35

• “If there’s any data that is truly private and I don’t want anyone else to have, I don’t put it on the internet.”
  — Rosemary Orchard, 16:06

• “It may provide an illusion of security or privacy to people paying for something that they don’t necessarily get. So I think it’s worth a hard look from Apple.”
  — Dan Moren, 17:58

• “I did drop $80 on a Maxell wireless bluetooth cassette player… Have I used it other than playing one thing one time? No, but it’s fun.”
  — Christina Warren, 25:00

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Fun & Light Moments

• The group delights in the absurdity of CarPlay coming to pontoon boats.
• Several recurring confessions about the actual state of their device-sharing and junk drawer organizations.
• Quippy banter about “Aeroplay” for airline seatbacks and the perennial deadness of “dead tree” books.
• Genuine nostalgia and amusement surrounding new technology that revives or reinterprets old formats (e.g., Maxell’s new cassette player).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:20] – Data Sharing Between Devices
• [06:09] – CarPlay/iOS on Other Devices
• [13:09] – Apple Privacy Concerns
• [19:57] – Collecting Dead Media Formats
• [26:51] – Junk Drawer Gems

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This lively episode bridges the past and future—from clever device data hacks and smart-wish CarPlay integrations, to wrestling with digital privacy and embracing the joy (and headache) of once-dead media formats, all wrapped in the quick-witted, conversational style that defines Clockwise.

Transcript

[A]

It's Time for episode 668 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, August 5, 2026. Clockwise, four people, four tech topics, 30 minutes.

[B]

Welcome back to Clockwise, the tech podcast that isn't on summer vacation. I'm one of your hosts, Micah Sargent, and I am joined across this vast and ever changing interweb by the wonderful the one. It's Dan the Man Morin. How you doing, Dan?

[A]

Hold up.

[C]

It's like I'm just coming.

[A]

I'm just rolling out of my hammock. I was not on the beach. I. This, this drink is not a margarita. Everything's fine.

[B]

I hear that clinking of the ice. Come on.

[A]

Just your imagination.

[B]

The waves are playing in the background. While those waves. Let's wave at our wonderful guests. To my left, developer, I laughed at my own joke there. Oof. Developer and host of iOS today, it's the wonderful Rosemary Orchard. Hello, Rose.

[C]

Hello. Thank you for having me.

[A]

And to my left this week, it is senior developer advocate at GitHub, Christina Warren. Welcome back, Christina.

[D]

Hello.

[A]

Hello.

[D]

Happy to be here.

[B]

Happy to have you. All right, we've got four topics and only 30 minutes to make them happen. So let's get into it. I'd like to know what is your favorite or if not your favorite, the most reliable way that you use to share data between your different devices. You use an FTP, you use an airdrop, you send a text messages to yourself, emailing. Just tell me how you share those. You know, the different types of data that you share. Rose, we'll start with you.

[C]

All right, I have everything in a perfectly dedicated system which automatically syncs between my devices. That's a lie. That is my goal with these things. So I use things like drafts and omnifocus and so on and so forth to share like most of these things around. But if I need something and I have to get it from one device to another instantly, it tends to be a combination of Universal Clipboard and Airdrop. Because fortunately, aside from my work laptop, which is currently sitting in a corner being shunned, I am exclusively within the Apple ecosystem, which makes that a lot easier. But yeah, it tends to be like Airdrop and Universal Clipboard, which actually, under the hood, I'm pretty certain use the same technologies. Uh, so yeah, with a touch of icloud sync, just to jazz things up. Because it's always a surprise when things don't randomly don't sync. Though that's mostly been resolved recently. So I'm quite pleased about that.

[A]

Uh, I'd like to think everything was easy. And I was one of those people who for years was like, oh, Airdrop works great for me, no problems. I don't understand why everybody complains so much. But in one of these subsequent iOS27 betas I've been using Airdrop on my phone is totally will not send anything. And so I've gotten really frustrated because I. There are numerous times where I'm trying to, you know, drop something over to my Mac and I think to myself, why is this not working? I was just waiting, waiting, waiting. Anyway, so my workaround is a complicated system of FTP and floppy. No, it's, it's save it in icloud drive to my desktop because that syncs already and that seems to work just fine. It's not my ideal thing because I hate files cluttering up my desktop. I much prefer the idea of the Airdrop because it feels very transactional. It works much more with my brain rather than save it to this folder and hopefully it shows up every place else. But you know, reliability, as Micah said, is key in these circumstances. So whatever gets it from one to the other works for me. Christina, what about you?

[D]

Okay, so I have an app suggestion for you, Dan. My recommendation for people who might have to be cross platform or if you're on a corporate machine that might have Airdrop and Universal Clipboard disabled, I would shout out an app called Localsend. It's open source. Yeah, local sin. Localsyn. Localsyn.org, it is great. It works on Mac, it works on Windows, it works on Linux. And it's very, very similar to how Airdrop and Universal Clipboard work, in which basically you do need to have the app open on your phone and then you can basically just send files or even text snippets back and forth across devices as long as you're on the same local network or, or nearby devices, even if you don't have an Internet connection. So that is, that is my recommendation for, for people who are wanting something like Airdrop, but you need to use it on non Apple devices. So local send is great.

[B]

Yes, 100% agree. So I. It's funny, Dan, we've had very similar experiences for years. Same people would complain about Airdrop and I'm like, I don't understand. I have a great time with Airdrop. It works so well. And it has. But then there have been periods of time where something somewhere is not working and I have to go in, especially on my Mac, into activity monitor and kill sharing d and get it to restart and then sometimes it still doesn't work and it's just a nightmare. And it's sad because when Airdrop works, it works really well. But recently was looking at because I used a different open source tool before to share between Windows and macOS and honestly I can't tell you what it was called because I've forgotten. But partly I've heard forgotten and I wanted to find a new one and saw that local send. And yes, it is a fantastic means of doing so. It has been incredibly reliable and I quite like it as that. But I'd be lying if I said there aren't times that I also just plug in because I'm, you know, if I'm sitting at my desk, I'll just plug in a little, a little drive, right? Quick, move something over and move it over if it's, if it's like a folder with lots of stuff inside of it. And that seems to work okay when I need to thank you all for your answers on that. Let's go to our next topic, which comes from Rose.

[C]

Well, it turns out that CarPlay has more applications than I had previously thought and the fact that it's now available on pontoon boats or is coming soon to pontoon boats. So I wondering, folks, if you could put like a CarPlay or a version of iOS on any device. It does not have to be a vehicle, though it can be a vehicle if you want. Then what device would you put that on and what would you use it for?

[A]

Fridge play, finally. No, the first thing that came to mind because I saw this story about the pontoon boats which amused me greatly, was my E bike. Like we have a cargo E bike that we use as sort of like in lieu of having a second car, you know, I'll put my kid on the back, take him to daycare or, you know, run errands to the grocery store. And it's. I, I know that Apple has like an interface like when, when you're doing like workout and it puts it up there. Like it has like a big interface so you can like strap your phone to your bike or whatever. I always get nervous though, when I strap my phone to my bike. Like, what if I hit the brakes and my, but my phone goes flying or something. But I like the idea of having like a little mini display on there that has my, you know, my, my carplay set up. I could listen to a podcast or maybe I could get some navigation directions. Like all of that feels like it would be very handy. I don't need like a Giant touchscreen, like a. Like a car. But the idea of having a little, you know, a little display that's specifically tuned for the kind of stuff I might want during my bike ride, you know, could even include like workout information. You know, I think that would be really, really fun. So I'm picking my E bike and not my Fridge. Although, you know, Christina, what about you?

[C]

Okay.

[D]

It's funny because I was thinking a bike too. That was actually my first kind of thought. I don't have an E bike. But I was like, you know, would actually. I could see that being useful in a lot of contexts. I'm going to try to think of something that might be more different than that so we can have some diversity. I don't know if I would want. No, you know what? Actually I like the Fridge idea and I made fun of Samsung Hardcore when they had like the Fridge with Android on it or whatever. It was dumb then. I will still say it's dumb now, but sometimes. Okay, let me actually put this. Let me reframe this. Not the Fridge, but having an iOS type of device that is not an iPad. That could just be like a mirror of your iPhone as, you know, kind of like a Spotify's car thing. Having that sort of thing in the kitchen, I think would be great.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. In fact, for me, I was just going to say, I just wish I could have CarPlay at my desk or frankly anywhere. So it's almost like, where do I want to see a version? See a version of iOS next? Honestly, still on my phone. I just wish I could enable like carplay mode or something. Or that I could take an iPad and have it be a carplay mirror for my phone. Wouldn't that be neat?

[D]

I.

[B]

There are times where I want to be able to do that because there's something about car, the hands off stuff like being able to keep my hands on my keyboard and then be able to like quickly interact with those tools that I'm. Whether or not tools. But apps that I'm using would just be nice. And James points out you can just buy a CarPlay head unit and put it on your desk. And this is true. In fact, used to have one whenever we did iOS today in person. But it required a huge, like car converter power thingy and it gets really hot and it's miserable. But you know, now these days it's. You don't. You don't need quite as much hardware. So maybe that's what I'll do, James. Maybe that's what I'll do. Yeah. Rosemary, why don't you round us out here?

[C]

Well, I'm pleased to tell you, Micah, I can make a Recommendation for a CarPlay head unit for your desk because I have one. It's USB powered, so, you know, you need an extra camera for it. But yeah, it's one of these things where it's like, you know, James Thompson has also suggested CarPlay for Artemis spaceships. That would be pretty cool. They do get to take iPhones up there with them, so, you know that that has a possibility.

[A]

The navigation on that one is a real trip.

[C]

But the one place I think it would actually be great is where you have a screen built in the. Into the back of a headrest on like long haul flights. Just being able to like connect your device somehow and then have it like play your media through that screen. Because that screen's prettily, optimally positioned so that you don't get too much neck strain and things like that. Which is my biggest problem with watching things on my iPad on like a long haul flight. So, yeah, being able to just basically take over any screen nearby and just put your media on it would be pretty awesome. You know, Airplane's getting there with a lot of conference things, but yeah, I think we need fly play next or airplay.

[B]

Well, I guess it is still Airplane, huh? That's already play. Maybe it's Aeroplay.

[C]

There we go. There we go.

[B]

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[A]

It's time for my topic. Yes, there was a report in 44 media today suggesting that there is a flaw in Apple's Private Relay service that may not shield your IP in all circumstances. This is the second report from 404 Media about these kinds of privacy concerns after an issue last month with the Hide my email feature. My question for you is, do you use Private Relay or other privacy software? Is something like this a concern to you or do you just sort of take the opinion that's all out there anyways, like, we should just give up? Christina, I bet you have some opinions. Christina, I'm thinking it's, yeah, I definitely have opinions.

[D]

And look, I don't think that we should just give up, but I do feel like I've never really trusted any of these services. Which is not to say that I'm okay with these services not working the way that they are advertised as working. Like, I'm not okay with that, but I am kind of at that point where I'm like, did I ever really trust this to begin with? And the answer is kind of no. And so that's kind of where I'm at. I do wish that there were ways that we were more reliable that were privacy forward. I use VPNs and things like that. I don't want to say Give up. But at the same time I feel kind of like at a loss as to what we're supposed to do. I think it's good to have good security hygiene processes and to try to limit what you're sharing. I always do the do not track and do not share data stuff. Sorry developers, but that's about, that's about all I can do. I do hope that Apple is able to maybe make some fixes to the Private Relay thing because although I didn't ever expect it to be secure, I don't like that something was being positioned one way and not actually as secure as it was as we saw with this and also with the hidden email service.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. That's unfortunate. This is. I. The thing that bothers me in the first place is there were a lot of times where I would be browsing different aspects of the web, whether it's, you know, insofar or through an app and things would not work. And then I would go in and I would turn off Private Relay and then things would work. So already it annoys me because it doesn't, it's. It's stopping my ability to access the web. And then on top of that to hear like, oh, you know, you turn this on and you're feeling better about it and then maybe it's not being as protective as possible. I use, I use a VPN when I need to and I will, will turn on those like what, what Christine is talking about. Ask apps not to track stuff I have that turned on. I think it's just healthy to think that it's not 100% likely that you're going to be able to protect yourself 100% online. And we shouldn't think that any of these tools are going to do that fully and truly. Rosemary, what are your thoughts?

[C]

It's one of these things where as much of as all of these tools seem like a great idea, it's kind of just a case of moving your eggs out of one basket into another basket. At the end of the day, a lot of the systems that the Internet has are already designed to protect us, like SSL certificates and things like that. So, you know, they can see that I'm talking to my bank, but they can't see the actual data that's being transferred between me and my banking, you know, either through the app and their API for that or through the website. So to an extent, like I make a point of not clicking on URLs that get sent to me and so on, I will actually Go and type in, like, the. The website that I know is the real website and things like that. And I do use a VPN from time to time. I particularly tend to use tailscale for, like, getting back to my data that I host myself. But if there's any data that is truly private and I don't want anyone else to have, I don't put it on the Internet. You know, you have to kind of consider what data you're willing to share. And if you're not willing to share it, then maybe, like, maybe don't, don't put it on the Internet. Because especially as Micah noted with the use of AI, you know, we want data to be available for these things, so we kind of have to try and just pick the services we trust. I've ended up never using Private Relay because it completely broke my phone to start with. And I had such a bad experience with it and trying to just use the Internet that I just gave up and that was it. So I tried it out, it failed for me, and I just never turned it back on. You know, that's not to say it's not something that's worthwhile for some people, but I don't think it's something that your average person needs to worry about most. You know, most average individuals are not being targeted. If somebody collects your data is probably part of a data dump that some company sold rather than somebody was specifically targeting you personally.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I. I think I'm on similar pages. Well, if you. I've used Private Relay kind of on and off. But the problem is, as. As several of you've alluded to, it has some reliability issues. Therefore you don't end up using it. I tried to test this this morning. The researchers who found this hole had put up a website where you could take a look and check it. And I found that on the WI FI network I was on did not support Private Relay. So I guess. Oh, well, I guess all my information is already out there. You know, I think the, you know, to. I think Christina's point exactly. It's like you don't really want to give up on this, but at the same time, it's a matter of degrees of risk. You know, your IP address, it is identifying. It is a piece of information that you might want to protect in some ways. But also it's kind of how the Internet has worked for so many years that it's really hard. Like, that information alone is like, okay, somebody has it, but it's not necessarily the end of the world. There are so many other things that are being used to get information that's more sensitive that I feel like there are things that scale up my level of, like, concern. I do use tailscale, but a lot of that's more for convenience. I mean, I do appreciate some of the VPN security that adds when I'm out and about, but it's more a matter of having all my computers able to talk to each other. And then the other thing I would add is, I think Christine also alluded to is like, like, along with the hide my email thing, this is two features that are not only privacy features, but are paid privacy features that Apple offers. And that's a real, A real problem for them because what are people paying for in that regards? Right. It's bundled with iCloud. Plus there's a lot of other features in there, but, you know, these. It may provide an illusion of security or privacy to people paying for something that they don't necessarily get. So I think it's worth a hard look from Apple about all these services as to whether or not they're actually delivering what they promised to and whether or not they work as broadly as they should. So there you go. Thank you all for your thoughts on that. Let's go to our final topic, which comes from Christina.

[D]

All right, so amidst the death of physical media. Thanks a lot, Sony. We are now seeing collector's items, kind of releases, like an upcoming 2026 VHS rerelease of the Blair Witch Project project, which is kind of cool. And this is to say nothing of like the last decade or so of cassette tape drops for new albums by modern pop stars. Is there any dead media format that you still cook around or that you would either buy to display or maybe even play?

[B]

CDs obviously are not dead. Vinyls aren't dead, but are. People might argue that they are older and therefore sort of out of style. And yeah, I still have vinyl records. We've got a record player in our sort of like living room nook area and we'll play from it throughout the day. I re. I don't have it right now, but there was. I really want to get this. It's a. It hangs on the wall and it has a little drawstring and you put a CD in it and then you pull the drawstring to start the cd. And as the CD spins, it kind of looks like a piece of artwork on the wall as it plays, you know, music. And I just think that that's a super cool way to a display and

[A]

B,

[B]

you know, have. Have art in your. In your space. But on top of that, I have seen some sort of mixes between modern technology and. And older forms of media. And one of those was having vinyl records on the wall and then having a little app and you just take a photo of that vinyl record that you have displayed on the wall and then it, you know, across your home with your Sonos system or whatever. And no, that's not the actual physical media. But I just think that idea of maybe there's a way that we can do both, that would be really, really cool. But yeah, I think if I, if we had a VHS player, then that, that would probably be the, the type of media that my partner would be buying. But he's had to settle for DVDs instead and now has a huge DVD collection. But yeah, I think he would have vhs. As if we had a VHS player for sure. Rosemary, what about you?

[C]

I don't think I could handle having to rewind something to watch it again. So I think VHS and also, therefore cassette tapes for audio are probably out for me. I do have and regularly actually buy DVDs. I don't use them as DVDs. I rip them and add them to my Plex library so that I can watch them like on any of the devices around the house. Because we have one DVD player in like actual connected use that is a PlayStation 5. And PlayStation have recently said that they're getting rid of physical games and so that's not going to be a thing anymore. So, you know, got to use that disk drive for something, right? But yeah, we have DVDs. And it's actually quite fun because there's a small child around now. So I'm going through and like finding like the books of my childhood and it turns out that there's like DVD versions of a bunch of them and like audiobooks, CD versions. So I'm able to obtain those and then share and recreate the joy that I had as a kid when I watched things, you know, like actual, like regular broadcast television.

[A]

I guess what the question is, what makes it. What really makes dead media? I mean, I, I love reading paper books. Those are the deadest of dead media because they're dead trees. I mean, I do, I like reading. I like reading a lot of ebooks too, but I like reading paper books. And I think, you know, there's an argument that it never goes out of style. And I think that's, that's great. It's the, you know, they are among the most accessible types of Old media because you need nothing to play them. I have some archived like old media, you know, I got all my old CDs, I got some cassettes, particular cassettes that I'm into. But like a lot of those are things I also have, I have digitized because I don't listen to them on the regular. It's too much of a pain. I mean all the things that I didn't like about those types of media in those days and ages, like it still persists to this day. I don't want to worry about scratching my DVDs, I don't want to worry about, you know, losing my, my CDs or whatever. All of that to me was just much more anxiety than I wanted to have around media. I much prefer, I'm, I'm gonna say it, I much prefer the, the world where I can just click and get something. I know, I know I'm a, I'm a, I'm a philistine. But yeah, I mean I like playing old games sometimes. But again, I mean the, the volume of stuff that's available. Like I see I have friends who love getting old hardware up and running so they can play old games on it. And I agree there is some nostalgia value to it for me. But like at the same time the fact that you can use some of these web based and local emulators to get almost any game ever made goes a long way to assuage that for me. So I am not really a dead media person. I'm moving on. I'm looking forward. Christina, why don't you wrap us up?

[D]

Yeah, I mean I, so I, at this point, because vinyl outsells CDs and has I think for maybe the last decade or so, I don't know if I can consider that dead anymore. Although I don't know how many of us actually listen to it on record players. I, I mean I have a really nice turntable, but if I'm honest, I mostly buy the vinyl just to collect, which I think is kind of a pattern. I'm seeing across these things. I do still buy Blu Ray releases, especially like UHD Blu Ray releases, so that I can rip them like Rosemary does and then put them on my plex. And I also just like having many times the extra features that are not available on the digital releases I actually bought. It was like $80 I bought. I don't know if I'm even going to use it. I've been buying some of the cassette tape rereleases for, or new releases even for A long time of various Taylor Swift albums. And I think like, like Olivia Rodrigo has done it and things like that. And so I've amassed like a decent collection of cassette tapes. And even though I do agree with Rosemary that I'm not here for rewinding, I did drop $80 on a Maxell Wireless Bluetooth cassette player which has USB C fast charging. It has Bluetooth support, but it also has a 3 1/2 millimeter head jack. And, and it has like a built in battery. It's, it's. I'm not gonna lie, it's pretty cool. And then it looks kind of, you know, like, kind of like the old style. Theo has another, has a similar product too that's about the same price. So I did get one of those. Have I used it other than, you know, playing one thing one time? No, but it's, it's fun. I don't know, I'm kind of. I'm kind of gagged by the fact that the Lionsgate is re releasing a film that was originally shot on, I guess a high eight on VHS for re release, even though they've also released it on DVD and other things. I think that's kind of cool.

[B]

I agree. It is super cool. All right, folks, we are nearly to the end of this episode of Clockwise, but I would like to know, do you have a junk drawer? And then what's something in it if you do have one that you regularly reach for or use in said drawer.

[C]

This is, this is interesting because you forced me, Micah, to open the top drawer next to my desk. So I, I have an assortment. So the downstairs junk drawer, the most frequently reached for item is definitely the dog poo bags because the junk drawer is actually mostly just dog stuff. But up here, I've got to say it's like my box cutter for opening parcels and things like that so that I don't get like labels under my nails. Such a. No, no, thank you on the texture. But yeah, it's got be my box cutter.

[A]

Yeah. I do appreciate your faith in me that I only have one junk drawer that was. That's very nice, but misplaced. The one that I use the most, probably downstairs stamps. I don't know why I need to mail. There's.

[D]

There's.

[A]

Speaking of dead media, sometimes I need to mail things.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, Stamps.

[A]

Cool stamps.

[B]

What about you, Christina?

[D]

Yeah, I definitely have one. And I think the thing I grab for the most is probably scissors. Scissors or like double A or AAA batteries. Those are the two that I probably wind up grabbing the most because I also have scissors in my bathroom but in the junk drawer in the kitchen. Scissors or batteries are usually the go to thing there.

[B]

For me it's going to be the the little blue screwdriver that came with the ring doorbell on my front door because that battery has to be replaced all the time and so it's a special little Torx security screwdriver and I could go diggin multiple other options but that one I know right where it is in the junk drawer and I just go back to it every time and put in a new new battery when I need to. Thank you all for your answers on that bonus topic. To those of you listening out there, if you would like to get ad free episodes of an extra unwound episode every week, you can become a member of Clockwise. Just go to Relay FM clockwise to sign up $7 a month, $70 a year to help support the show. And now it is time to say goodbye to our wonderful guests, Rosemary Orchard. Thank you so much for being here.

[C]

Thank you so much for having me.

[A]

Micah and Dan and Christina Warren, thank you so much for joining us this week.

[D]

It was great to be here. Thanks for having me.

[A]

Micah will be back. Well, at least one of us will be back next week. Till then, we remind everyone out there listening, watch what you say and keep watching the clock. Bye everybody.