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Sarah Spain
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Lex Borrero
Welcome to the youe versus you podcast. I'm Lex Borrero inviting you to go beyond the titles and the accolades of the world's most successful entertainers. Each week we take off the cape and get real about the inner battles, childhood stories and the moments that shaped our guests. Get inspired to become the best version of you. Listen to youo vs you podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
Sarah Spain
Hi, I'm Sarah Spain, host of Good Game with Sarah Spain and the co author of the new book Runs in the An Incredible True Story of Football, Fatherhood and Belonging, written with and about Las Vegas Raiders running backs coach Dylan McCullough. It's the story of a football coach and father of four who sees his life forever changed by the unsealing of his adoption records. And it's got a twist you won't believe. Based on the viral ESPN story I did a few years ago, this book will blow your mind and bring you to tears. Buy runs in the family wherever books are sold.
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Sarah Spain
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Clayton English
I'm Clayton English.
Greg Lodd
I'm Greg Lodd.
Clayton English
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast.
Unknown
Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war this year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports.
Clayton English
This kind of star studded a little bit, man.
Unknown
We met them at their homes. We met them at their recording studios. Stories matter and it brings a face to it.
Clayton English
It makes it real.
Unknown
It really does.
Greg Lodd
It makes it real.
Clayton English
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Unknown
Your favorite trapper in their wedding.
Clayton English
Yes.
Unknown
Yes, bro.
Clayton English
Same that got married in here died at this too.
Unknown
He didn't die there.
Clayton English
I'm just saying when it was time.
Unknown
Mama. No, he did.
Clayton English
Yeah, I know. Mama also real. This is Rip. So his. His, his brother gonna be mad at me. But this is a real bro. Went to his funeral. Bro on everything. His wedding picture. You know, when they. When you die, you casket. They Got all your cool pictures around you.
Unknown
Yeah, bro.
Clayton English
His picture from his wedding was there. Bro, that is crazy.
Unknown
It is. I, I, I know stories like this.
And my collage make it better. Honestly, this is my time. Don't put my wedding picture up here. This is about me.
All right?
We didn't both go.
This is dark. But what do you want to wear fresh in your casket?
Bro, I got to have to put on, bro.
Clayton English
I don't want Bro, how you going? Just put up. Just put a shirt on me.
Unknown
A T shirt.
Clayton English
Yeah, that's it. No, I'm talking about bro, just a T shirt and some jeans.
Lex Borrero
I'm cool.
Greg Lodd
Okay.
Clayton English
I ain't trying to get fresh. He said keep the bottom.
Unknown
So you just want to I the door.
Shirt up the bread.
Yeah, see, 95, you just want a T shirt.
Clayton English
I just want a te.
Unknown
Bro, I don't.
Clayton English
People don't sweat, but I know be.
Unknown
Hot, 95, bring me bro.
I'm, I'm dead. I don't give a bro, no, I.
Don'T want nobody pay all that stuff for no funeral.
Clayton English
I agree, bro.
Unknown
It's a waste of money, bro. I'm dead, bro. I don't care.
Clayton English
I want my girl to kiss me on the lips, bro.
Unknown
She not going.
Clayton English
See me out here with a butcher tongue. Give me a little tongue, dude, I'm.
Unknown
Trying to save money like I'm nothing, bro. Matter of fact, and I'm gonna tell everybody before I die, I'm spending every. If I got, if I died, I got $7 million left. I swear to God, like at 94, I'm going crazy. I'm buying Lambo to buy everything. I ain't leaving nothing for nobody.
Clayton English
Gotta get how you live.
Unknown
What if I got some kids they gonna get.
Clayton English
I'll leave them for you. Still a normal at that old Damn.
Unknown
We gonna leave 100 bands.
100 bands, bro. I ain't my mom and dad give me nothing.
We try to change the cycle team.
Clayton English
He's out of pocket 94, bro, you better hope you still sane to do that type of stuff.
Unknown
Oh, if I ain't? I'm gonna write it down. I want to buy a Lamborghini.
Clayton English
Once I start changing me. Go on, just. Yeah, give me the poison.
Unknown
Yeah, bro, I'm trying to live. So I'm 90. I'm doing everything in my power.
Give me the lane, bro.
Clayton English
I'm saying. But what if a gotta change you and pick you up?
Unknown
You ain't gotta do that. Don't come over here.
Clayton English
I mean, how are you Gonna function, bro.
Unknown
Pay somebody.
Yeah. When I become a nuisance, I don't need my kids.
Only no cousins, no nephews, nieces.
Clayton English
I don't give a damn who it is. I don't want nobody doing that to me, bro. Lifting me up every day, bro. Changing my life.
Unknown
Because I want. I want to be. I told you. I want everybody come to my house. I just want to talk a bunch of to them like, boy, you ain't gonna be worth. Look at you. I just want to sit there and just talk bad. Everybody.
Clayton English
No, that's gonna be Mike at 94.
Unknown
It's gonna be like. He's gonna be like Ghost at the end of Power in the last episode, he said, you know what? You always needed me. That's why you ain't gonna be. He disrespected everybody.
That's what I want.
That's why I smoked that, everybody.
Clayton English
Y' all see why I get married the at the end. Who told at the table? That's Mike at 90.
Greg Lodd
Damn.
Unknown
Now I'm saying, hey, I'm gonna go crazy. That's one of the best scenes in movie history. I don't know if y' all seen the Taraji Henson movie on Netflix. Please watch it. We'll talk it next episode. It's crazy. But that's one of the best ISOs in history. He sat at that table, everybody. He's all. Niggas are snitching on me from my side, bitch. Bet we gonna have a time tonight. He hit the clip, nigga.
Clayton English
What you gonna wear though? What you want to put on?
Unknown
I'mma be 90. I'm gonna retire my Hawks jersey.
Clayton English
You gonna burn that.
Unknown
Hey, Black D could never give it up, man.
Wait. 000 okay.
0V with a shirt on under no headband, skin gonna be loose as hell.
Clayton English
Look like that nigga been soaking in the what a dead look like with no shirt on. That probably look crazy.
Unknown
Look like Deadpool underneath that costume.
Clayton English
I wonder why Turn gray. My uncle was gray in the. I said, damn. Hey, I do uncle like that. My uncle was light skinned, man. God bless his name. My uncle Kenny. I said, damn.
Unknown
They said about me for a look at T sweats.
Hey, man, what's wrong with y' all?
He speaking of filming, did you see the Davis brothers jump off right after the fight?
Somebody got some jumps.
Yeah, the boxers.
Oh yeah.
I said, that's some Jeff and Mooc right there.
Clayton English
Oh no. For sure.
Unknown
Oh yeah. It's no fair. Fights when we around. Y' all can cancel Christmas if you Ever think y about to fight one of us? 101. You a damn fool. Hey, don't let our friends be there. Oh, yeah, but I don't. I don't. I ain't into no competition, no violence.
I thought that was hilarious. He's sitting there, my brother. Yeah, we're gonna see you.
Yeah. Facts.
Clayton English
Did y' all get the chance to check out the bees and wins one on one?
Unknown
Unfortunately, I did watch that, bro. Yeah, it went how we expected.
Too much fouling, bro. I watched like, 30 seconds, bro.
Clayton English
It was. But God damn, bro. Michael Beasley put on a clinic, bro.
Unknown
When Kyrie Irving says I would never play him one on one, that is a sign, bro.
Right, too. He can do everything. 6, 9, 610.
One of the most gifted basketball players ISO one of ones you've ever seen. Beasley is like that for sure.
Sarah Spain
Yeah.
Clayton English
He wanted them get into your spot still. And a fouling. You like that, bro, is wild, insane.
Unknown
But you know what? Shout out to everybody who hooped. The undercard stuff was fire as well, too. That. I know a lot of people playing for, like, the 10 GS. I like the next chapter, man. That's dope. That's a prime example that the NBA should adapt some of that. I'm not sure how they gonna do it, but that would be dope to see because you'll get some of the stars of people we don't think it's all stars and superstars a chance to really show how good they are.
Clayton English
If y' all ever got a chance to interview Adam Silver, what kind of stuff y' all think Y' all talk to me about?
Unknown
About changing the all star game like that.
It would depend upon if the Patriots win the chip or not. Because if we win, then, you know, saying, my question list will change. Okay, I'm gonna start there.
Clayton English
Well, I just want to ask him what made you even start messing with the NBA? Like, what? How was your journey just entering the NBA? I'm like, how do you even sign up for something like that?
Unknown
I probably ask him more about, like, retired player stuff, like how you could do better. Even though I know they trying to bridge the gap, like when people retire, like, setting up payment plans for them to get to their retirement money. Yeah, but I was about, you know, people get your pension at, like, 55, but n retire at, like, 31. So I'll be like, man, I know they got a bridge plan now, but I was just wondering, like, what they would do different.
Yeah, on the same token, I'd have asked about the Tony Snell situation. That's like something that's very interesting. Somebody was in a unique situation, that close to getting that. Especially with his. You know what I'm saying, coming out, saying he's autistic and then trying to take care of his kids with specific health plans. I would really like to see, like, what's the plan in motion for that? Like you said, you return. A lot of people return to 30, wait until 55. I mean, of course you don't want to say, nobody gonna be gone. But that's a long gap. That's 22 years. Yeah, that's a big of a gap.
Clayton English
But how do you sign up just to start working with the NBA, bro? What kind of connections you gotta have?
Unknown
I know he got a law background for sure.
I'm asking if he hoops.
He tall as hell.
I know him.
Clayton English
I'm like, shit, I wonder if you had a jumper back in the day.
Unknown
I also asked him, like, you know, I think for me, I think it should be a rule where, like, once you get your second contract that you, like, every year, whatever it is, you gotta put a million dollars in a plan. This will be mine. Like, you gotta put a million dollars in that plan in an investment portfolio where it can grow over time every year until you retire. So if you retire with 6, $7 million, you can have 6, $7 million to last you till you get to your pension.
That's far.
Yeah, I would do that. I mean, even though you got people that can do it for you financial. But I'd rather it be with the NBA, so, you know, like, ain't nobody stealing from you. Cause that's a lot of things that happen to players. They get with financial advisors. They be stealing and doing all type of crazy shit.
Greg Lodd
This is crazy. Yeah.
Unknown
You talk about bees. I know Bees deal with a lot of backdoor with his finances as well. And you look at shit like Tim Duncan, like Kareem. Some of the best players that ever played this sport got robbed.
People like, like. And they obviously, they made millions on millions and millions, but it's just. See, the greatest people of all time, they get tricked a little bit, too.
Greg Lodd
Yeah.
Clayton English
Antoine Walker still buying all them properties and stuff. But that's still a crazy story, bro.
Unknown
Yeah, but I think that'll be. I think that'll save a lot of people and it would help a lot of people, like. Cause you don't even notice, like, when you playing basketball, you don't notice that you not saying. If they took it from You. You wouldn't even notice it.
Greg Lodd
Yeah.
Unknown
How are we gonna take a million? My body would care. Okay.
Clayton English
Nah. Especially if you're doing it for that.
Unknown
Most definitely, I think. Another question I ask him how he feels about the media. Cause we've been seeing a lot of stuff going on, especially with this final series. I mean, listen, I'm grateful Patience want to Chip, but this is lackluster as shit. And I don't even think it has anything to do with the team's plan. It's like, the coverage with them transitioning is just been like, blah. Like, this don't feel like the finals.
Clayton English
I want to ask you about that. Like, how do y' all feel about, like, now not having, like, finals shit? Like, on the.
Unknown
Well, that was people hurting themselves.
Cool. I'm understanding.
If it's for the final score, they.
Said that the cow. Yeah, it said was a hazard. I'm fine with that. Y' all be playing fast. You don't want to get hurt. But I see y' all do advertising that you can put that at least for the broadcast. Maybe if it's not on a court, y' all do everything else. The Toronto Raptors had a hologram so.
They could do the fake shit.
They did a hologram behind the bass, which was weird to watch, but you can do something, bro.
They could put the fake down like they was doing. But my biggest thing is, like, I told y' all about this series, and that's not me hating. The markets are so small. Like, even though it's probably the best you could get as far as basketball, like, these two teams mirror each other. It's a great basket. If you're a basketball fan, it's a great series to watch. But if you just an average sports fan, it's awful.
Yep.
Right. Cause the market's just too many. You're not really familiar with anything in Indiana.
Nope.
You not familiar with nothing with okc, you might know the players, but not really. Like, people still look at LeBron as the face of the league, and he is, but that's what people still look at. Some people just like basketball. Cause they like the Lakers and Kobe Bryant. They don't know shit else and don't care. Don't care about nothing else. So when I seen that it was going to be Indiana okc, I was like, damn, the rating's going to be down. But for basketball purists, this is the best we could get.
Even to the broadcast team. Like, I know they defensive about Doris Burke. It's just like, shout out To Richard Jefferson. I think Rich Jefferson is dope. He's funny as shit. But, like, we missed the days of Mark Jackson and fucking coach and Mike Breen.
Like, those.
We look for those moments. We don't got that right now. And all you get is a lot of consumers who just bash the product. And then you look across the board from different media, like, y' all not watching these games. I know everybody don't watch these games is impossible. But y' all don't even have the energy to, like, speak highly of the game. Y' all just shit on everything.
It just. The NBA's changed so much. Cause you don't have stars of stars. Like I said, when you had Kobe, he was like a star of stars. Like, if you didn't watch basketball, you still knew who Kobe Bryant was.
Clayton English
That's a fact.
Unknown
Regardless of, like, LeBron, if LeBron was in his finals, this would be a whole different story. Cause if you don't watch basketball, you still know LeBron James is.
Clayton English
That's a fact.
Unknown
And that's the thing we don't have.
Clayton English
In this now, this new generation. Yeah, that is. You gotta kinda know.
Unknown
Yeah, you gotta know.
Clayton English
Cause Kobe then was in movies, TV shows, all kind of stuff.
Greg Lodd
Yeah.
Unknown
You know what I mean? Like, LeBron got space jam, all that shit, whatever. But like, I was thinking the other day, like, if Tyrese Halliburton in the basketball world, if he got traded, would it stop everything? Like when Luka got traded?
Clayton English
No.
Unknown
If SGA got traded, you think it would stop everything? Like when Luka got traded?
Nope. Nope.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Unknown
You think it would stop? I don't think it'd be the same reaction.
The people of okc, that's big. But think about it, though. How many stars have already left okc? If it was like the first time, bro, they didn't give a fuck.
Greg Lodd
Really.
Unknown
When KD left, even though he went to the warriors, everybody was shitty that he went there. It wasn't the fact that he left there. It was the fact that he went.
Clayton English
To the Wizards up in Trey sga, bro, that's the mvp. I think it depends on where you go to. Because I think the Luca trade was so big. Not because he left, but because he went to the.
Unknown
I think. I think him just getting traded, period. Like, it would have been big. It was. It was ridiculous. Like, what, Y' all traded him?
Yeah, but like you said, going to the Lakers and LeBron, it was just.
Clayton English
Like, if SGA went to the Celtics.
Greg Lodd
Yeah, it would be.
Unknown
You think it'll be big?
Greg Lodd
It would go just as big.
Unknown
I don't know.
Depends on who they did. Like, if it was like, SGA for Jason Tatum, everybody be like, what the.
Yeah, but I don't think it'll be such a. I think they'd be like, oh, they. I mean, I see what you said. The trade. They probably be like, I mean, like.
This is crazy why they did that.
Yeah.
Clayton English
Like, I see.
Unknown
I see it still had a NBA world in a. In a chokehold. But when Luka got traded, this thing was, like.
Clayton English
It was a global affair.
Unknown
Yeah, this was, like, global. And I was just wondering, would that happen? And maybe that's the feeling we done got in this NBA Finals. That's right.
Cause you look at it now, bro, everybody's wondering where Kevin Durant's about to go more than just about this final. They look like what Cooper Flagg is about to do. They look like what the spurs gonna do with the number two pick. Where Giannis might go. It's. People are more victor. When Miano went and kicked it with the Monks and shaved his head, niggas is like, oh, he about to kill next year. Like, all the things. The off season. I'm telling you, whoever wins, it don't matter if it's Pacers or okc. The next week, that shit gonna be out the cycle, bro. They like, all right, Summer league. What Cool Flag about to do.
Yeah, they kind of shitted on this finals, and it's.
It's nasty.
As a person who love ball, it's like, damn, man. This is, like. This is good shit, but it's just not the right markets.
Yeah, it's the pinnacle, bro. Like, this is supposed to be. They treat this like All Star Weekend, bro.
I've been there, though, because our finals was like that when it was us, Milwaukee and Phoenix. Yeah, it was the same kind of situation.
And that was good. That was good basketball.
Yeah, but it was only. Like, it was only fire to people who watch basketball. Like, it was only good. Like, we. It wasn't lit.
Clayton English
He saying, there ain't too many of these dudes walking outside now and everybody going crazy.
Unknown
Hell, nah, it wasn't lit. But, like, I played with Lynn Sanity. I told y' all, that's how I thought the finals was about to be. Like, Lynn Sanity. Like, when I tell you it was damn near 700 cameras under the rim when he was just warming up. That's what I thought when I seen the final. Like, we gonna go to the Finals. Like, n. I'm gonna get an endorsement deal just for being on the team. Yeah, that shit was not like that. He was walking that motherfucker. I'm like, dude, this feel like. Damn. Feel like regular practice, man. It's a couple more interviews for people.
Clayton English
He was damn near like. Like Mike, though. He was just so popular. Yeah, ain't nobody been bigger than that, bro.
Unknown
He had a T ball, like, run, bro.
Clayton English
Yeah, like, nobody's been that big. That might not ever happen again.
Unknown
And you know what's nasty? That's the reason why I've been complaining about tickets. I know it's the finals, but, bro, it feels like a Tuesday game against Bridge, bro. Why am I paying five more times for this, bro? This is crazy. Y' all don't even want to gas the product enough for me to feel like I'm getting my money's worth.
Clayton English
Yeah, that's where I agree with you on that.
Unknown
Like, yeah. Like, y' all not even amping it.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Unknown
You go watch first take niggas like, oh, yeah, that's cool. All right, man. What the Cowboys gonna do? Like, God damn.
Talking about. And when I was talking about Aaron Rodgers more than they was talking about the game, I was like, damn, that's crazy.
Disgusting, bro. Honor the game, man. It's a lot of people who give a fuck about the game that y' all don't highlight, man. We gotta look into that more for sure. But I do think KD about to be a spur. I think that's.
If he do that, he gonna. That's gonna fuck up.
Katie gonna be a spur, and they Gonna keep the 2 pick, and it's gonna go crazy.
Clayton English
Yeah. That's gonna destroy the NBA. That.
Unknown
Don't be fire.
Clayton English
Don't make it fun.
Unknown
Y' all bring the energy back, bro. Devin Booker is rumored to get an extension for two years. It's over 100 plus. It's looking at possibly, like, about 120.
Clayton English
125 as he should sit down.
Unknown
I am a. I'm a son for life.
Yeah, I love that. I seen that. The Detroit Pistons are going. Going after Miles Turner.
Yeah, they. The phone is broke. Stop calling.
Clayton English
No, it's not.
Unknown
But he a free agent.
The phone is broken.
It ain't. He's a free agent.
Clayton English
That's what I'm saying, bro.
Unknown
It's not K. Cunningham with Miles Turner. I like it.
I don't like the energy. After we win a chip, we're going to pay miles 100 mil for three years.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Unknown
That ain't gonna be enough money. If y' all want to chip 100 million for three years. That ain't gonna be enough, boy.
Miles, you don't even like Coney Dogs like that, bro.
You don't like. It's the same place.
We can get buffs here. My Detroit and Indianapolis.
Sarah Spain
He here.
Unknown
We can. We can make it happen.
Nah, bro, don't fake the te.
Clayton English
These technically ain't both because.
Unknown
See, I told you I ain't going Versace. What is they? I mean, not.
Clayton English
It's still cardier, but it's just Buffalo. It's cool. Mike.teu.com 31Respect.
Unknown
Yeah, shipping included. If he go there though, it's the same type of weather.
Clayton English
Oh, it's the same.
Unknown
Yeah. But if he get a four year.
Clayton English
Deal, they got a Pacers have to pay for 125.
Unknown
Four years. 125 for miles.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Unknown
Come on, bro.
We got. We got some. You know what I'm saying? We got some. You're gonna have something here.
Clayton English
Give Miles Turner 150 million, bro.
Unknown
You are up our salary cap.
Clayton English
Oh, give him 150 or let him go. Be happy.
Unknown
Honestly, if we win a chip and you go get 150, I'm not mad, bro.
It's time for him to cash in, bro.
Clayton English
It is time, bro. 150 right now. He is deserving of it.
Unknown
About to be 30. It's time to kill.
Y' all trying to stress me out, bro? I'm trying. When this could be happening. Y' all trying to tell me that I gotta have Thomas Brian starting five.
Clayton English
Next year, bro, chip or not, bro, chip or not, y' all gotta pay Miles, bro, chip or not, you out.
Unknown
Of pocket if he going to Detroit. Jalen Durham better be a Pacer. That's all I'm gonna say. I don't even like this talk, but if he's going to Detroit, then Jaylen has to be Pacer, bro.
Clayton English
Thomas Bryan, you the new starter.
Unknown
Hey, my Thomas Bryant, corner three specialist, bro. I will not speak no more.
They gonna sign Thomas Bryan to a 3 year 12.
Clayton English
Thomas Brian get your 3 year 25.
Unknown
He can get the 3 years 12 in Detroit. I love that. Him and Isaiah Stewart would be great fives for that team.
Nah, bro, Miles going to Detroit.
Nah, Miles ain't going to Detroit.
Clayton English
That'll be fired though. What would y' all give him? 150? DJ, like what's the beef?
Unknown
3, 154 years. You see what we pay everybody else on our team? Aaron Neesmith is a guy's gift, bro. We pay him about 15 a year.
Greg Lodd
1111.
Unknown
11.
Excuse me. Yeah, Nimhard is what, 18? 19. And they're both locked in for next three years? No, his contract kicks in next year. But he signed a. He signed a very team friendly deal.
I think it's like 16.
Yeah, it's very, very affordable. My nigga Obadiah took. You know what I'm saying? Nice little cut to stay with the gang, bro. We can't pay you more than Tyrese or Pascal.
He ain't paying me more than tyrese. Tyrese only two seven.
Clayton English
200.
Unknown
Yeah, but 150 is tough, bro.
He gonna get like 125, though.
He deserved it, though. On me. He deserved it. You put a banner up, bro. You've been the consummate professional. All the shit you had to deal with and put smutty your name when we had you and Sabon knowing y' all didn't like each other, he deserved to get paid. For sure. He 100 mil. For sure.
Clayton English
Been a great teammate, great locker room guy.
Unknown
Yeah, bro. Held down the franchise.
Clayton English
Yeah. I had him in trade rumors every day.
Unknown
Literally, bro. I remember going into that practice like, I with my. That's when I really started tapping in with my said, bro. They put you on a train block every year, bro, and it's not your fault.
Clayton English
Hey, come on, man. Now what y' all want me to do now, man? Pay me my money.
Unknown
I think a Nate Bjork and said, yeah, we don't really need Miles Turner. That's just. Hey, yeah, get this. This out of here. He got fired in year one. He started wilding, bro.
Yeah, I remember y' all did have that coach.
Yeah, Nate Bjorkin, bro. He everything up, bro. That's a raw reason why Vic got the slender. He got. People don't know that, bro. They were dealing with a psychopath. Coach Bill left. He up everything in the organization, bro.
Billy Bana. Yeah, bro. That was. That's my. He called me the other day.
I can't talk about that on camera, but that's the reason why Bill Banner left, bro. Cause Bjorkin was on some.
Bill Bano. He called me one of the best.
Defensive coaches in the NBA, bro. His assistant bro it up.
Hold on. No, not Billy. Hold on. You talking about Dan Burton.
Burke. Burke was gone.
Yeah, that's my. Both of them.
But Bill Bano left, too.
Called me. He. He's a crazy, crazy.
He's solid. I with him, bro.
He's in Miami.
Wow.
Shout out to Billy Beto, man. Hey, he's a wild boy, man. He be Said to be clips on the podcast. Like, look at this. Like, hey, he's a wild boy. Boy.
I know. Gotta. Y' all hear? But you see that the tears firm came straight from up top. Dolan said, no, no, no, not Leon. Watch out.
Yeah.
Snicker the out of here.
Damn. That was all Dolan.
Yeah, that was a Dolan call. They said. Dolan said, I'm not talking to nobody about this because you know, you can't fire a coach without your.
Yeah, yeah.
He. Dolan said, no.
Damn. I heard the other players, like, some of the players said they weren't gonna play for him, and that's crazy, bro. Like, bro, he didn't play job a thousand minutes, bro. I've never complained about being in the game.
Clayton English
At least you gonna get paid with Tibs, that's what I'll give you a chance.
Unknown
Wow. Man, I wish I would have caught Tibbs when I was, like, 26, 27.
Clayton English
Yeah, well, should have been different.
Unknown
What, you gonna play 40 minutes a game? You gonna get some stats for.
Yeah, if you look at the. The tree of contracts paid from Tibbs, bro, I better not see no smut on Tibbs name, bro.
Oh, you can't say nothing wrong with Tibbs with me. Tibbs changed my life.
Clayton English
No facts. But I see, though, why, you know, some players just can't adapt to that, though, bro. But y' all were saying you need to switch it up. You know what I mean? So they probably feel like how. You know, how y' all felt about it.
Unknown
Save just needed an offensive coordinator, that's all.
Come be a defensive coordinator for us, bro. We love you and Real Carlisle, bro. Y' all. Y' all will create happiness.
Clayton English
I don't see him sitting down, bro.
Unknown
You got 30 men coming to you, man. Relax, man. I'm gonna call you. You're like, jeff, you're a guy. We need to talk about me on that show.
I with tears, man. They were just like, we don't want Jayla Brussels to get her. Like, he wrote that's. A lot of people say. They're like, we don't want him to run JB into the ground. I'm like, man, what y' all want, man? Yeah, I think they're gonna keep OG Rick on the staff, man. Yeah, I've been seeing a lot of room. They said they might just say he had a too big of a voice in the locker room. I'm like, yeah, he's the best player, daddy. He's supposed to have poppy.
That's interesting. I don't know I don't. You know, they're my guys, so.
Oh, yeah, I know you gonna Mob ties for sure.
Yeah, I ain't gonna do that, but I hope he's still around. I ain't gonna never try to get nobody.
I love to see him on the store.
Clayton English
If he ain't go somewhere immediately and.
Unknown
Take Jayla with you, keep him. Yeah, y' all gonna play all right now, Jalen, go ahead. Pull your ring.
Clayton English
Fire to coach your son, though.
Unknown
Yes, bro.
Clayton English
In the NBA. I. I hate daddy ball. Like with just amateur, but like in the NBA, to watch your son put on a performance like that every day.
Unknown
I gotta. We gotta interview Rick. I'm away. I'm wait till all this die down. I'm call Rick and just be like.
Clayton English
I had to talk to him about that video, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, we have to talk about the video.
Unknown
So. Hey, C.J. miles shot a message tap in Brody. You know what time it is?
Yeah, he texted me. He told me he was gonna come on the show he put up.
I mean, he hot ass on the Twitter streets. Also, I was in spaces with Joe today. Shout out to my dog Budding. He said he ready to be here. He said he been. He been in the gym. You know what I'm saying? He ain't smoking no more. He said he ready, you know what I'm saying, for this ones. What's up?
Clayton English
Trying to be sober now. He smoked a lot of. It's probably still in it. Told you what? Don't leave. I told you what? Don't leave you. Oh, I'm good. I'm good.
Unknown
This the behead button ones is on the way for sure, man. That's hilarious.
Clayton English
I'm gonna kick his ass, bro. I can't wait till we go to New York so we can set that up, though.
Unknown
Yeah, we want to go to New York soon. Yeah, we got. I think we can set up ones for him and Joe.
Greg Lodd
That's what we're trying to do. Oh, yeah.
Clayton English
Jadakiss want to work out, too?
Unknown
Oh, yeah. Jadakiss said he want to put y' all through the workout. Who?
Jadakiss. He be doing minutes.
Clayton English
I'm not doing it. I'm not doing that.
Unknown
I'll do it.
Clayton English
We do everything else, though. You can do it. Most of them now. You've been working out for four months now. I know I can do it a little bit, but. Nah, nah, I'll work out with him.
Unknown
That'd be far.
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I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lod, and this is season.
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Unknown
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This is kind of star studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
Greg Lodd
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Unknown
This man over here, Behen, he was very early on the OKC train, very early on the Shay praise for sure, man. He is. He's right to cheer for this team, man.
Clayton English
That's why I love that joke you just told. Cause we wanted the same.
Greg Lodd
But you're on the two. One thing I got you facts.
Clayton English
So I started becoming a fan. Like, yeah, when he was at Kentucky, but when I started seeing him and what he was with la. Okay, yeah, I started seeing him change and shit. And I always told him like, he had basketball head for real. Of course he played it, but you know what I mean? Once he got the okc, I was like, I felt like that was like the James Harden leaving okc. Like, I felt like he was gonna change.
Greg Lodd
That was a changing moment in his life. Obviously, when it first happened in the summer, I think we're at summer league, and it was like, bam. Because obviously he had a good rookie year, you know what I mean? In la, your agents in la, you're settled, you know, you're living there, it's la, it's hot and bam. Okay, See? And obviously at first, like, damn. But then I'm telling you, about 29 seconds later, I was like, shit, we're both in the OKC in Vegas together. This is it. This is the TSN turning point. This is when your life is going to start to move. Because, yeah, you're doing well in la, and yeah, Doc's playing you and you're starting at one point of the career. But guess what? They weren't really letting you go. You had Patrick Beverly bringing up the ball. You had Lou Williams bringing up the ball. You had Avery Bradley being up. None of those guys ain't point guards coming out of Kentucky. He was a real point guard, ball on his hand. So I don't see how you come from that to come bring up the ball and go run to the corner, shoot threes to be a three a half. And no, now it's time for you to really be who you are. Yeah, we got To OKC now, still playing behind Chris Paul. Commercial was still there. So they played like a staggered one, like a combo one a little bit. And that time, if you remember, I don't know if you guys remember, people still wondering, is he a real one? Isn't he a two? I don't know if you remember that. They were kind of saying, is this guy a 2? Is he a combo? Right. And people weren't sure because he was, like I said, kind of playing combo ish. In la second year, he was a combo behind Chris Paul. But he learned obviously a lot off of Chris Ball, right? Yeah, a lot of. So now Chris Wall's gone the second year and that's when you really see the real Shade. But I knew that, no disrespect from day one because that's what he was all his life, a point guard with the balls and making decisions. It's not just his scoring. Shay's the type of you that's really going to read and react, you know, he's not going to. That's why they say you can't speed him up and stuff like that. But it's because the games wouldn't slow him for real. He's really not making up his mind to do anything. I'm going to see what the defense does first, you know what I mean? I don't know reading right. I know you know there's a point guard read and react and put you crab dribble, you. You know what I mean? Like. Like the best do that. You know what I'm saying? And a lot of guys that get sped up because they're making up their mind saying, I'm gonna Euro step in from now. Like, you can't decide to Euro stuff until this. You don't bite on your. And then you say, okay, I'm doing that. If you ever hear she's talking about. I heard him say it a couple times. He's like. And that's why I know he really is on what I'm on, where it's like, you say the thing that makes me the best is I don't know what I'm gonna do. You know what that means? That you're just really reacting. I can do anything, but I'm gonna wait to see what you do. You know what I'm saying? Simple. Yeah.
Clayton English
I think that's why it makes it so easy for him to score in the NBA because he's like the smooth we talk about all the time. He's literally the smoothest, smoothest scorer in the Whole league.
Unknown
He don't even look how he sweat when he out there hooping, man. Effortless.
Greg Lodd
Yeah. He acts like he's too cool for school. Yeah, I know that. I know all about that motherfucker act. He's the coolest motherfucker. I know that.
Unknown
Do you think, like, everybody was like preaching shooting threes when he first got in the league? I know. I'm sure people still talk about him shooting threes. Do you think Chris Paul coming to that team and like him shooting that mid range like that helped Shay, like.
Greg Lodd
100%, 100% Chris Paul, same thing. I'm talking about the crab dribble. Even though I know you guys have probably touched that. Even the free throw Merchant thing, if you remember, Chris Wall is the type of guy getting the language. You reach out your hand to the go up into you. But he more, no disrespect to that more than Shay. Shay's not really freetro. Merchant drawing foul. He's using angles and change of pace. Yeah, right. I'm gonna up fake, and you get in the air. You're done. We all know that. What the fuck you doing in the air? Once you go down, I'm go up and you're coming down on top of me. Am I drawing a foul? Well, yes, because the rules of the game have fouls in them. Normally, drawing on fouls, just change the rules, take all the fouls out the game. We'll play football, basketball, we can do that too. And we just don't call no fouls on me. And I'll clothesline you. And if you clothesline me back on duck.
Unknown
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
You can't just foul, foul people. Right. So he's not free Troll Merchant. He's actually just changing pace. There's that. He's gonna change the pace. Stop me. You know you're gonna blow into. He's gonna catch you in the air. Angle. It's angles, it's change. Change the direction.
Unknown
Nah, just brains. No, I, I understand it, but I know fans don't like it because when you got that much creativity.
Greg Lodd
Yeah.
Unknown
I can make you found me at any point, at many point, I can make you found me. When people got that much creativity, you.
Greg Lodd
Got to be disciplined on defense. Not to cut you big man, but you got to be disciplined on defense.
Unknown
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
Because I remember I'm doing the same thing this way. I tell people all the time, if I'm that guy that's making you foul.
Clayton English
Sorry, sorry.
Greg Lodd
Drawing you into those, in those, into those, in those spots where you got to Follow me.
Unknown
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
On defense. I'm not allowing you to do that.
Unknown
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
You get what you're trying to say. So it's on you now to stop following.
Unknown
Nah. James Harden, he's a free trial merchant.
Greg Lodd
Just play defense the right way and don't follow me, bro.
Unknown
That's James Harden.
Greg Lodd
Because that's good defense. You know what I'm saying? That's it.
Unknown
The same thing. James Harden.
Clayton English
Why didn't you a part of that to your game?
Unknown
I did. I used to go to the free throw line a lot.
Clayton English
Okay.
Unknown
I did all that stopping behind the screen and letting people run into me.
Clayton English
Show your butt out.
Greg Lodd
Yeah.
Unknown
Rip through hands. I did that. That's how I guaranteed I was gonna have eight. I swear. I knew that.
Greg Lodd
That's guaranteed money.
Clayton English
That was a guaranteed eight.
Unknown
Yeah. When I wanted to. And then at the end of the game, you know, if it's a close game, they foul. I should run and get the ball and just hold it. Give me a big. I'm trying to get extra points.
Greg Lodd
Right.
Unknown
It's part of the game.
Greg Lodd
2, 3, 4 points at the end.
Unknown
Of the game, man.
Greg Lodd
Win the bonus.
Unknown
Nah, I already know. I think it's genius what he do. I wish more people would do that. But yeah, they try to take it out the game for my guy. Trey Young. Trey Youngs to do it, but they took that out the game a little bit. But KD and them used to all do it. The rip through three.
Greg Lodd
And like I said, man, you just can't get caught with your hand in the cookie jar. What you all right? Let's just say it is a little bit of a free throw drawing thing. Once you realize. I told my. I told my kids that adapt the way they're calling the game. Yeah. So eventually you don't do that no more. You gotta like, you know, when a man come down, you keep your hands. Sorry. You keep your hands big. Right. You don't. Once you do that, it's going to be about when it's not a foul. You know what I'm saying? But if you discipline yourself to keep it, not go down and reach and all these things, there's no foul call. They ain't calling followers that aren't there. Is what I'm trying to say. There's actually calling followers that actually happens to stop following them off of this retro merchant.
Unknown
Take that doors. Burt.
Clayton English
Nah, for sure. Outside of, you know, nephew and your son, who's some other players that you like in the NBA?
Greg Lodd
Cade Cunningham. Some young guys coming up.
Clayton English
K Damner. Got that slow man too.
Greg Lodd
Man's my guy with him.
Unknown
Every shout out to ie.
Greg Lodd
What's all that? Coming up, some young killers dork with dork because of the way he just plays every. Every last play, like his last. You don't got that. You don't got that motor and that energy. Like a lot of kids could use that and just have a career.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
Or not. You know what I mean? I. With Katie, I like how he's. His whole career, you know, I mean, you know. Yeah. Things obviously, you know, different parts of everybody's game that, you know, you. You're picking you like. But I don't. I like those. I like. Those are the most guys I. I think right now playing. I don't. I don't have a deep bag because of guys that I. I can pick out of my head right now because I'm also focused on Nikhil and Shay. Absolutely. All I can think about is Nikhil. And Nikhil's my favorite player. So is Shit.
Clayton English
So dj, think Lou Dort's a hack, man.
Unknown
Nah, Lou Dort's one of the best players in the NBA. But right now, man, I'm hating right now. If I wasn't going to get shot, I'd show love. But I gotta hate right now, man. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to the Thunder. But Lou Dort and Caruso be causing havoc and I am tired of seeing them. I cannot wait till this series is over, bro.
Greg Lodd
I get it, bro. I get it, bro. Those guys are fucking pestilence people's lives, bro.
Unknown
They be locking up. They blitz everything.
Greg Lodd
I love that shit. Because I always thought, like, it's so funny. Even when Nikhil and Shader were growing up, I was more big on defense. Anybody that knows us when we were younger, I was always like, move your feet. It's that no hands. So, like, it's crazy how they're. They're. They're always offensively good. But defense is the thing because, you know, everybody wants to play offense. Everybody. The one thing that people don't do is play defense. They don't rebound. So I was always being on those things. Do what people don't want to do to get what people don't have. You have to do what people don't want to do. So you're going to defend. You're going to play defense better than everybody. You're going to move your feet and. Yes, we're going to. You're going to rebound too. Yeah, you're going to rebound the Balls and possessions. See the ball go up, you're not going to look at the ball. You look at your man go like this. When the ball goes up, you don't look at the ring. You find your man and box the out. Those two things like are things.
Clayton English
There we go.
Greg Lodd
Right now, a kid can get to the league. Just know after, after 14 points a game, it's not that crazy hard. Even though it is. If he made up his mind to do it like how Rodman and those. You know what I'm saying? It's a. It's an extra career out there. That's like a spot in the NBA. You know what I mean? Just like defense. Go play defense. Sick as you can get there.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
Because everybody can hit a jump shot from the corner three. And so you can always be a three. And D if you just play sick D. You guys understand, that's a fact.
Clayton English
And you get paid.
Greg Lodd
Duncan and Ant man stuff. And I get it, it's sick. But that whole flash is just for the flash. It's like, it's like a life, you know, I mean it's like the glitter in the goal sometimes all that do the grimy. The lunchbox that pays too, man.
Unknown
We just watched Mitchell Robinson have a research of his career off rebounding. Didn't score the ball, rebound, pass it out. He's about to get paid and try.
To make a free throw.
Hey, they hacking him. It don't matter. We send him in the game because you get extra possessions.
Greg Lodd
There you go. Yeah, I mean, I look at him, he's just probably like, you know, you're not gonna look at him. This guy that you gotta find like a diamond in the rough. But it's someone that, that's his. He made that his niche. Yeah. And if you do that, I just think it's so obvious. But I see, I guess sometimes I see things that people don't see. I mean, I just look at it like, bro, if I was gonna make a you right now, I'm gonna turn him into a wickedest rebound I. I can bring. I, I can teach him everything else after that. You know what I'm saying? Because you will get better at everything else. You know what I'm saying? But if I make you like 14 rebounds a game, I'm gonna. You're obviously gonna be your free throw. She's gonna be good. Obviously Gonna hit a 15 foot jump shot. I'm gonna get you left, right, finish at the rim. I'm gonna get you to drop, steps, turn, spin. You know what I'm saying I'm gonna get you that eventually. But if you can give me 14 rebounds, that's all you can do right now. I'll work with that. And then. What's his ceiling, bro? That's an All Stars.
Unknown
Yeah.
Now, I gotta ask you this question, obviously, og you pops, you seen them growing up as they progress their game. At one point, did y' all stop playing one on one?
Greg Lodd
Oh, for sure. A long time. At one point. A long time ago.
Unknown
At one point, he caught you, he was just like, okay, I gotta leave this alone.
Greg Lodd
A long time ago. But not gonna lie, I took him on with the. He had a summer camp, and I took him on the other day. I'm not gonna lie. But it was like a little friendly thing, you know? There's some footage of that, but ain't nobody gonna see that, man. Ain't nobody gonna see that, man. I think I fucking have the guy tied up right now. That's some footage. Tied up in the basement. They got to have some footage. Nobody's seeing that. But, yeah, because I'm going tell you what happened so I can at least tell you what happened. It wasn't good. Like, he made a move and I kind of fell. So that.
Unknown
You got. You got.
Greg Lodd
You know that I got to leave it, right?
Unknown
Like LeBron. Delete the kit.
Delete the. Came before.
Greg Lodd
Like I said, I'm big on defense. One time I ripped him, you know. Other time he met up, I mean, I almost blocked a shot. But see, after that, he like, I. Nine shots in a row. And then after that, it was just like, downhill from. That was recent. That was recent. But that. That doesn't count too, because now I'm done. If you go back, like, about when they were like, 13, 14, that was the first time. He asked him when. The first time he bust my ass and said. I said, I'm done. But 14, that was. Again, it was endurance because I can still play. But two minutes wheezing, bro.
Unknown
You know what I'm saying?
Greg Lodd
A lot of stuff in my chest. You hear me?
Unknown
Did you ever play coaching 101?
Yeah, I beat him. Like, I was like, 14.
Okay. Is that the last time I played, too?
I quit. I never played him again.
Clayton English
That's crazy.
Unknown
He put me on punishment.
Clayton English
I wouldn't play no more.
Unknown
He was like, all right, you don't want to play me, you can't go outside. I don't care. I was on punishment for a month, bro.
Greg Lodd
You said, all right.
Unknown
Still not playing.
Greg Lodd
You still not playing, though.
Unknown
I'M not going to play you no more. He was going to post me up.
Clayton English
That's crazy.
Greg Lodd
I used to bang them still. It's real, man. I remember those days and I used to fling them around. I to used. Those days changed real quick. I was like, no, no, no. Like I said that day when he crossed me up and I fell, I could see him saying yeah well see him from when I wanted. You know what I mean? Like he was giving me back all those days when I used to bat them up, you know what I mean?
Unknown
And you know he the master of the captions on ig. He gonna fry that up with a crazy lyric underneath it.
Greg Lodd
No, no, that's not coming up.
Unknown
No, for sure we are coming up. We always talk about them, you know, so our golden days. We grew up playing basketball outside and now you got all these kids with professional trainers and stuff like that. Obviously coming from you, somebody who has put kids in the NBA. How do you feel? Nowadays we see so many kids who go to like basically like mechanical workouts. Everybody has a trainer. Like what's missing? Do kids need to go outside and play basketball? They just need to born fobs or what do you think the kids could probably work on to make their games better than some of the output we're seeing right now?
Greg Lodd
There's a couple things like back to kind of what I said with the just finding a niche that nobody ain't doing. You know what I mean? Like if you're trying to get really getting done, make a team even. Let me talk about the NBA. Let's start off just trying to make a team. Go rebound. Give me the best rebound on the team. The coach might put you on the team. Be the best defender on that team. Coach might need you. Like a lot of times there's a time when you need the coach needs to win a game. And even the coach is on this political and playing his son. Now the game's closed. He needs to win. You see him Johnny go. Because Johnny can lock down the best scorer. Yeah, he hasn't played Johnny all game because Johnny can't score. But now he needs someone to stop this guy. He's flinging in John, he's flinging in Johnny. You see what I'm saying? So just be those things that people aren't number one. That was the first thing. And then a lot of, A lot of the. The grassroots stuff, the fundamental stuff. I think people are trying to. Like I said, they're going to the gym, shooting a bag of threes, trying to Dunk. And that's not what you work on when you go to the gym, I don't think. I think you work on, like, you know, form, shooting your handles, footwork, you know, endurance, like a lot of stuff. It sounds a little corny and cliche, but that's how we grew up. That's how our stuff was. I think it just works. That's why Shea, Nikita, they're like throwbacks. If people say that. And I think they are the way they play. She's not really. Yeah. You can dunk over. You can dunk, but you probably won't see, like an ant man highlight with shade. You're not probably see Shay dunk over four man, which he probably has the athleticism too.
Clayton English
Right.
Greg Lodd
You know what I'm saying? But it's a different style of game. Right. So you'll see one dunk every six months, two every six months. But you're going to see like every game up and under, you know, I mean, below the rim, you know, I think that's just old school.
Unknown
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
And that's the difference in the fundamental training of the game now, which is why you see a lot of the Europeans and first team, all NBA last two years. Just do the math. It's not a lot of Americans. No disrespect to the Americans, but I think the game is getting a little bit fundamental away from. It's more. Bigger, faster, stronger. It's not that. Go back to skill.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
And fundamental training. And that's what the guys in Europe and France and all those other Canada, because we're humbled with this. We're happy to just be in the room with the NBA guys. A lot of. A lot of the American side now. It's like we're here and we're all a little bit entitled to be here. And it's our game and. And you know what I mean? So we're already in the room and. No, you gotta do more right now because the game is catching up to you guys.
Clayton English
That's just facts.
Greg Lodd
You'd be mad at me. You just. Let's just do the facts about it. Let's just do the math and see if I'm wrong.
Unknown
Most definitely. We talk about all the kids all the time.
Greg Lodd
Then you got what was in the Friends, Wembi, Yama, Killary. Then you got Shady. Be careful, guys. I don't know. I don't know if you guys want a season 2028, though. Like, Canada's going to be ready in 2020. You think y going beat y Think.
Unknown
Y' all beat the U.S. well, I.
Greg Lodd
Say we're ready to go. I don't know.
Unknown
I got a whip, too. I got my boy nimby.
Clayton English
They got. They got Jamal.
Unknown
They got new hard.
Greg Lodd
It's going to be different from 2020.
Clayton English
They got wigs.
Unknown
Right now, but y go, y going to be a force.
Greg Lodd
Just know we're coming. You know what I mean? So we didn't medal. We didn't medal this one. Okay. I'll say up front, for sure, we're meddling.
Unknown
Yeah. Okay.
Clayton English
Y' all guard play crazy good guard thousand percent wicked.
Greg Lodd
It's gonna come down to our big. You see Zach Edie, Zach E develops like. I think he'll develop then you guys.
Unknown
Oh, it's Christmas.
Clayton English
Zach Edie ain't gonna be able to come out the game, pops.
Unknown
Yeah, he about to play. He gotta play all floors.
Clayton English
Tim's gonna have to come.
Greg Lodd
I agree.
Clayton English
Tim's gonna have to go.
Unknown
We gotta do something with a little.
Greg Lodd
Bit work of wish, folks. That's how we do this, bro.
Unknown
We talk.
Greg Lodd
We talk things into fruition.
Clayton English
Nah, but Toronto for sure is on the map. I think my first respect to Toronto, I mean, no disrespect to nobody, but I think Wiggins, Andrew Wiggins, I was like, damn, he. He really special.
Unknown
He was the first person. He was. Nah, he wasn't the first one that.
Clayton English
Made it to the pros. That was real, like, high. High ranked in Canada.
Unknown
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
Nash, what do you mean, ranking?
Clayton English
And yeah, like, ran. I'm talking about, who had, like, a buzz.
Greg Lodd
For real, for sure, for sure. He was another one. I'm talking about protected from. He to be the number one pick, and he actually ended up being the number one. Yeah. So you can say that for sure.
Unknown
My boy. That's my guy. That's my guy.
Greg Lodd
Big up the T dot.
Unknown
Yeah.
Clayton English
I want to know about the music culture out there in Canada, man. What. What y' all rocking to, man? In the clubs or just barbecues? Anything.
Greg Lodd
It's. It's kind of mixed up. It's multicultural, you know. Me personally, I deal with my. Like, I like my rap, you know, from back in the day, my reggae and stuff like that. So I. I'm mixed on both sides, but you can get whatever you want. But it's a lot of. It's like New York, like, how New York would be or, you know, but we're a little bit more Caribbean oriented, too. We got the Jamaicans and the Antiguans and the. To the daddies and the Guyanese. We got the, you know, I mean, because like I said, you guys might be born over here and your grandmother, your grandfather would probably be born over here in America too. You'll never find a black guy that's telling you his grandmother was born in Canada. If you saw a black guy in Canada, his mother was born in some. The of his grandparents are born in some Caribbean island, you know what I'm saying?
Clayton English
Oh, yeah.
Greg Lodd
Second, fourth generation Canadian black people. You know what I'm saying? But you guys got 4th, 5th, 6th generation black people over here, you know what I'm saying? See the difference? Yeah, that's what we have, that little Caribbean mix. People say I talk like this, I talk like that. I just talk like how we talk. It's a Canadian thing.
Clayton English
Got you. Gotcha.
Greg Lodd
No, no.
Clayton English
We ain't. We trying to. I've never been over there. I'm trying to get over there and I just want to make sure I'm seasoned before I go.
Greg Lodd
You're good, man. You can roll with me. You're all right, man.
Unknown
O.
Clayton English
For sure.
Unknown
I like this link up. I like this link up a lot.
Greg Lodd
More than good, man. Stop it.
Clayton English
Okay, cool, cool.
Unknown
Yeah, I've been to Canada quite a few times. Toronto, to be exact. One of my favorite cities.
Greg Lodd
I know, I know you know.
Clayton English
I know you know.
Unknown
Yeah, Toronto is a great city.
Wonderful city.
Clayton English
There you go, man.
Greg Lodd
That's what's up.
Clayton English
So we already up to one, man. What. What you think we need to do.
Greg Lodd
To finish this series out them. It's just about like I said, man, everybody do their job, man. It's not even as rocket science here, okay? You don't do your job and what is it right now? Just do what you normally do, bro. I'm not actually do anything more. Nothing outrageous right now.
Clayton English
Now, what scares you about the Pacers.
Greg Lodd
Though, that you can't play around with them? You can't just say, you know, you'll get up by 15 and they're gonna come back. Yeah, but you always. You have to step in their neck, bro, when you get them done. There's literally. That's a hole in there or else in the wiggle out in and try to do some heroic shit. That's not where we're on. So last game we did it. Okay. But I didn't like how last game that we won the first half. We kind of didn't win the second because we were up by 19 or 20 at halftime, by 17. That means we didn't win the second half. So I'm Trying to win every quarter. That's my thing.
Unknown
How did you feel after the game won? Cause, I mean, that 20 point, they was up 20. And for Tyrese to hit that shot. Ah, watching on TV like, the air went out the gym.
Greg Lodd
I'm bringing back my stomach into that. You know, I can see what he said. He's all smiling, too.
Unknown
I'm smiling when he's like a real. He just said you was gonna take my wife.
Greg Lodd
Indiana feeling. I know. 20, and you probably be there coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk your.
Unknown
I just know, like, looking at that. Cuz we all was watching it like, we were all at the crib and we like, all right, 20 point win for the OKC. We ain't gonna pie tonight. He hit the shot. We all call each other like, yo, we gotta go downtown.
Clayton English
Hey, Sad.
Greg Lodd
Yeah, like, no, I 100% agree with that, man. Like I said, man, first friendly competition. But if it wasn't like. If it wasn't like that, like, even after we lost, I walked up, remember, the arena's right there. I'm sitting in the hotel, right? Walk out. First person I see is Al and daddy, he's like, yeah, man. I'm like, bro, yeah, we good, man. We can't lose. Everything's blessed. But guess what? You know, say you're not winning this. The camera's on me. I mean, I can't even move my mouth right, Felix. It don't like, you know, getting hard, you know, I mean, we got this, man. If you win, I win. We win together, man. Yeah, I'm saying, because that's real facts, man, but we got to put on this. It is a competition, bro. But, like, I swear, I swear to God, if we lose, which we won't, I'm gonna be happy. I'm gonna be happy for the loser. I'm gonna be happy for the loser.
Clayton English
Nah, for sure.
Unknown
Another tough question. How did you feel last year? Cause we all feel like SGI should have got the MVP last year. What was your reaction like last year when we got the results?
Results?
Greg Lodd
Yeah, I was like, number one. I kind of knew it. You can tell by the way is the connotation is going out throughout the year. And then, you know, you can. You can just, you know, you just kind of know if you know ball, who they're going to give it to. So I wasn't like, oh, my God, they didn't give it to him, and he got robbed. Because I kind of knew who they're going to give it to. Number one. Number two, when you do things every day. If you wake up and brush your teeth every day and fold your clothes, if you really do it every day and someone says to you that, guess what? We're giving out awards. Hurts for waking up and brushing your teeth every day, you say, oh, okay, I hope I'll get it. But they're really giving them out. Well, then guess what? You're gonna get it next year, but we're gonna get it tomorrow because you really do this.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
What am I trying to say? She does this.
Clayton English
Nah.
Greg Lodd
Right? Yes. It was a little bit of a let down. He didn't get it. We didn't think we were gonna get it because I knew the connotation and the politics of this. But then you, you think about it. I could do this next year and I can do it the year after that. I can do that because I really do this. Some guys, like, you know, some guys have a good year and it's like, man, man, that's his greatest year. I don't think this guy's ever going to do that again. And it's true. Some guys have that peak year and they never. But I'm telling sh. I need 34 next year. You're shooting like what, 37, 36% from three. I need to shoot 42. So that means you got to get in the gym somewhere. Like, there's always somewhere. You're doing great. He's the MVP I'm talking to. Right? Do better. You know what I'm saying? So he's going to go in the gym this summer, then come back and shoot like 39. He always gives me a little bit. He doesn't give me what I want. He always give me a little bit. He's going to give me like a 3940 and then two years he's going to be 42. It up Jordan's numbers. She's gonna give you like 36 a game one day. And people don't understand what I'm saying. I'm in Toronto telling people, you could do. People look like I'm a madman. Like, relax, your son's MVP. This is obviously before he's MVP, but I've been doing this every year saying like 24.5 again.
Lex Borrero
What the.
Greg Lodd
You know, from Canada. That's supposed to be great. We're happy to be in the NBA. I don't give a about that.
Clayton English
No, I need to do better.
Greg Lodd
Right, right. Better every day. It doesn't have to be large increments. It could be small little increments.
Clayton English
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
Just get better every day. That's what I have to do to. To Shay now because it's. It's always harder now because he's the mvp. So how do you motivate him? How do you tell him that he's got to get better? How do you like Daddy? You're nuts. But he's been. I've been doing this all my life, so he said he already knows I'm nuts. Yeah. Here he goes again. He's gonna. See. He's gonna tell me to do better. Three people tell me that I should add 50.
Unknown
Yeah, that's.
Greg Lodd
You had 42 in the first half. You should have 50. You know what I'm saying? How much games, like, he does stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, you should add 60. So I'm saying. But you always have to give him that. That to make him feel like saying. Sometimes they say, yo, that's this guy. You can't please this guy. But I'm okay with that.
Clayton English
Right?
Greg Lodd
Because when you reach for the moon and all that stuff, you fall down a little bit lower. You're still on top of everybody.
Unknown
Yeah.
Greg Lodd
I'm saying. But you have to push guys like that because he's that talented, he's that blessed, he's that intelligent. He's the right guy for the job to push. He can actually do it. If you don't. You know how they say God only gives you what you can handle, that type of thing? Yeah. I'm not giving that kid more than he can handle. People might have told me that when I was younger. And I got. You think you're pushing them too hard. You know what I mean? No, no. If you hear these kids talk one away in the room by themselves, they're very, very smart. At nine years old, talking about gall and this and that and clothes, these guys are sharp, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, they know things, so you got to push them, like, man, and talk to them and deal with them. Nah, that's real.
Unknown
We was worried about it this year, you know what I'm saying? Obviously went crazy. Hell of a year. When we started hitting the Joker narrative later in the season, it was like his best statistical season ever. And me and B. Hinn was just like, hey, man, ain't nothing more he can do, man. Last year, y' all snubbed him. He came back better this year. Team sets the league and wins. What more can he do? So I'm happy he got his just due. I know he's gonna keep accomplishing things, but he definitely deserved that MVP this year.
Greg Lodd
I agree. I agree. And I. Like I said, it's just something that we do consistently. This whole thing is consistency, I think in life, like at your job, whatever you guys do every day, basketball, whatever you do to be good at something, you don't really call yourself good until you can do it consistently. So if you have a great day is what I say at something. But you have a bad day the next day and you have a good day. So you have a good day. You're not really good, you're inconsistent. You know what I'm saying? Consistency is what we rate. It could be the best rapper. Drake from Canada. Hello, Shout out Jake, blah, blah. Obviously, obviously he's the best rapper. Why though? He keeps putting them out, bro. You guys can debate that. But who does it as often who does it so consistently? So consistency is a serious thing, bro. Once that goes back to Shay, okay, Getting snubbed. This. If they snub Shade this year year. What would that mean in our life? It'd be disappointing. That means we're not going to do 33 a night. We're going to do it something very similar. Yeah.
Clayton English
Next year.
Greg Lodd
Because we just is what we do. You get what I'm going to say? Like, who's not picking Shane? Not because he's my son, but if Shay wasn't my son, I said his kids probably average 31.5 next year. 6 assists, 7 fours, 3 STE. Like it's what he does by this at this point. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, one of these years I'm going to MVP there. You know what I mean? But they won't give it to you every year. So, you know, stop me this year, give it to you next year. What does it matter? I just gotta keep doing what I do and let. And control. I can control. Yeah.
Clayton English
I was just gonna be shitty this year though. I ain't gonna lie.
Unknown
Yeah.
Clayton English
Cause he was going crazy, bro. He was talking about like, man, he just get 30 every night. But he like be in Joker. Damn. Had a triple double.
Greg Lodd
I'm like.
Clayton English
Really on the brinks.
Greg Lodd
Broker is doing. I tell people it's crazy what he's doing. Never have to downplay what Joker is doing. We're not gonna see that again. Right? But watch this one now, guys. Watch this one. When do we get to take the criteria? When have we ever gotten to take the criteria of wins out of the MVP award? We've never done that. We've never done that. I'm a baller, guys. You guys can't do that to me. We've never took the criteria of wins. And you cannot be 19 or 20 wins behind the shade behind the MVP. 20 wins? Wins has to. He had a great year. Yeah, she had a great year. Watch this. No, you want to say his ears a little bit greater than Shade because all these crazy things. But Shay's here is still great. Yeah, now you gotta go to wins. Yeah, now you gotta go to wins, guys. And that's what you. That's what you got to give it to. That's my argument. You can say a lot of other stuff, too. There's other arguments. But wins is too much of a big criteria. And they've never given out it out without saying Wins has never been. Wins is a major factor. I take that out now. Yeah, you might say, okay, here, 50. 50. No, your ad wins. It's like 75, 25. Just like what it was.
Unknown
Most definitely.
Greg Lodd
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I don't think it's that close.
Unknown
Now, obviously, we know you probably can't be.
Greg Lodd
17, 18, is it. Are we trying to win? If the object of this game is.
Unknown
To win, that's all I want to know.
Greg Lodd
Okay, well, I don't want you on my team as no MVP if we can't win. I want to win, bro.
Clayton English
Is we winning for Pops?
Greg Lodd
All right. We're gonna win tonight. God damn.
Unknown
We almost gave place. I'm trying to secure my converse, man, but come on, man.
Greg Lodd
You're good. You're good. Don't watch that. You're good.
Unknown
He said. He said we three and one going back already. We ain't playing games.
Clayton English
The right way.
Greg Lodd
Three the one. Three. The one's crazy.
Unknown
F. Oh, man. Obviously. You know what I'm saying? Toronto bio, guys, what was the energy like? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? The Kendrick situation, man. I was in Philly. No, I'm saying being a ground zero with that.
Greg Lodd
We ain't worried about that up and all bum. I don't even worry about it.
Unknown
I like that.
Greg Lodd
It ain't no question we do our thing, man.
Clayton English
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Greg Lodd
Yeah.
Unknown
That's hilarious, man. Before we gotta hear, man, please tell the people about the no Flukes organization, man.
Greg Lodd
Oh, for sure, for sure. No Flukes is a movement. No Flukes means never opting for less Unified knowledge, equal success. That's a foundation I have back in Toronto where we help at risk youths getting what they need to survive in life. Basketball skills, opportunities. We have a. We have a league that we take after hours ball, we call it now where we take kids that from. From the hood at 8 o' clock at night, bring them back at 1 o' clock at night. They play basketball in the league. The league's like almost like a. Like how you do have a men's league. So we keep score like the NBA. Leading score, leading assist, this, that, that at the end every week we get them prizes for whatever accomplishment they make. And we check our retention rate to see who's getting better, who's getting worse. And it's just a fun little safe place called like a safe place for these kids at nighttime. But that's just one thing we do. We have an event coming up 7-26-27 called Shoot yout Shot 2. So last year we'll Shoot yout Shot 1. We did a three point competition with 10 to 18 year olds. The winner of those competitions, you got to go against NBA players years. And we gave them jewelry and no flukes, pendants and all that stuff. For the winners, we're running it back bigger this year on 7-26-27.
Unknown
That's dope.
Greg Lodd
That's what we're into, man. We're just trying to change lives every day, one day at a time and make these kids know they can. Anybody can be like Shane and Healer Tomasi. You know, that's my. Sorry. That's Tomas, my younger son. He's a fashion designer.
Unknown
Yes, sir.
Greg Lodd
And he's gonna be doing his thing too. You're gonna hear about him. He's gonna change the world in his own, his own little way.
Unknown
His highlights been on the time I recently. You know what I'm saying, Pops? You know what I'm saying? I'll tap the end for sure.
Greg Lodd
For sure. I had to bring him up too. Cause you know he has. He comes with my seeds. You know, I'm on my seas, you know, straight on.
Unknown
Shout out to the lineage, man.
Greg Lodd
Yeah.
Unknown
Hey man, we can't wait for the pod to drop, man. Great and greatest basketball dance Poppy says is coming out on Father's Day.
Greg Lodd
Yeah, yeah, we get. We going to get my boy on it.
Unknown
Yeah, I'll be on there, man.
Greg Lodd
Basketball dance.
Unknown
Yeah, I'm going be on there. Talk about you see. I see. I see what I see what he doing. I see. I like his style.
P6.
Greg Lodd
Let's get it for sure. So wide in the field. Come on. It's real in the field.
Clayton English
What the.
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Unknown
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Greg Lodd
Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war.
Unknown
This year, a lot of the biggest.
Clayton English
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Unknown
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