Club 520 - Bun B, Vernon Maxwell & Tobe Nwigwe HOUSTON LIVE SHOW

Summary

Club 520 Podcast: Houston Live Show with Bun B, Vernon Maxwell & Tobe Nwigwe (October 25, 2025)

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

Club 520 takes its show on the road for a special live episode in Houston, featuring iconic guests: NBA champion Vernon “Mad Max” Maxwell, Grammy-nominated rapper and multi-hyphenate Tobe Nwigwe, and Houston’s own hip-hop legend and entrepreneur Bun B. With hosts Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and Bishop B Henn, the episode delivers uproarious storytelling, candid talk about basketball, music, Houston culture, fashion, and the business hustle—complete with signature spontaneity, audience interaction, and memorable one-liners.

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS & KEY DISCUSSION POINTS

1. Opening Energy & Houston Love

• (04:07) The hosts express gratitude for Houston’s support, kicking off the live show with a round of applause for H-Town.
  • "H town, especially Texas, has been one of our biggest markets since we started this show. So shout out to y' all for the support. We love y' all." — DJ Wells

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2. Vernon “Mad Max” Maxwell: NBA Legends, Rockets History, and Humor

NBA Career Reflections & Houston’s Legacy

• (08:30) Vernon celebrates being reinstated as University of Florida’s #1 all-time scorer, sharing how much it meant for his 82-year-old mother to see him get his flowers.
  • "It was a blessing for just my mom. She's 82 years old, and just to see her, she's still alive and she's healthy. Just to see my mom get. To see me get my flowers like that, it was a blessing for me, man." — Vernon Maxwell (08:45)

MJ vs. Rockets Rings — “Do the Rockets’ Titles Count?”

• (10:17–12:36)
  • The panel dives into the well-worn debate on if Houston’s 90s championships are less valid because Michael Jordan was absent (playing baseball). Vernon unapologetically defends the Rockets.
    • "I can't help cause Mike went and played baseball. ... Numbers don't lie. When we played against their ass in this numbers. But they was taking L's. ... Be trying to discredit us for this, man. I don't like that. Y' all gotta stop that." — Vernon Maxwell (10:44–12:36)

New Media & Future Moves

• (15:05–16:53) Mad Max discusses joining “All the Smoke” and its impact on his brand, plus excitement about potentially coaching a Big3 team—preferably Houston’s.
  • "It helps out the brand. The Maxwell Brand, you know what I mean? ... It's a blessing for me, man, just to be a part of that." — Vernon Maxwell (16:34)

Nightlife, Houston Nostalgia & Authenticity

• (28:51–29:45) Stories about 90’s nightlife: lavish Houston club celebrations, Ferraris, the city’s “beautiful women,” and moving back to Houston.
  • "Houston's my second, like, my home, you know, I'm moving back here in December. Oh, nice. So I love. I love Houston, man. We got the beautiful women in Houston, Texas. Oh, my goodness. I love some Houston women..." — Vernon Maxwell (28:54)

The Robert Horry “Big Shot Rob” Discussion

• (29:45–32:36) Vernon fiercely defends Robert Horry’s reputation, emphasizing his crucial impact on championships and nickname origin ('Freak' meaning a freak athlete).
  • "Don't never discredit my ... That nigga's a big shot. Rob. ... That was a killer. And I hated when we traded him...if we wouldn't have bought him back, we wouldn't have won that ring." — Vernon Maxwell (31:02)

On Battling Utah & “Smoke”

• (33:06–34:17) Mad Max gets candid about racial abuse in Utah and his perennial desire to “smoke that goddamn mar” on stage.
  • "That's why I keep [Utah] under the radar...I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. I ain't scared of nobody. What you said my people. Oh, I wanna...I wanna smoke that goddamn mar." — Vernon Maxwell (33:31–34:08)

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3. Tobe Nwigwe: From Defensive MVP to Grammy Nod

Football Beginnings, Family, and Hustle

• (39:21–41:46) Tobe shares his backstory: from North Texas football, winning Defensive MVP on a “1–11” team, to the importance of rolling with his family due to not liking “to be around too many people that’s not like me.”
  • "I was a defensive MVP, but we went 1 and 11. ... once we got past three [kids], now it's like entourage. ... I really love being with my people ... I really don't like being around like that, especially people who not like, you know what I'm saying?" — Tobe (39:33, 41:28)

The Unlikely Path to Acting: Transformers Movie

• (42:43–47:51)
  • Tobe tells the surreal story of landing a role in 'Transformers' without prior acting experience, through a chain of random connections and personal auditions.
    • "I had never did no audition or nothing before. And if we had a video or something in my audition, when I tell you, top tier trash... And when they hit me back, I was like, dang, that's crazy that they hit me back." — Tobe (44:29–45:28)
    • Memorable insight: On movies, “People don’t know...it’s not like a play where you gotta memorize the whole thing. ... Just these two lines? ... Now I’m in that whole comfortable, I’m cooking.” (46:11–47:02)

Becoming a Musician & The Power of Independence

• (49:33–54:10)
  • Tobe describes struggling after football: family pressure, starting a nonprofit, eventually being nudged into music by Eric Thomas’ team.
    • "I was broke and I had no friends with money...I just applied everything that I learned in football..." — Tobe (54:15)

Collaborations, Style, and Success Stories

• (56:57–61:35)
  • Tobe details how his Reebok and Moncler collaborations arose from organic encounters (including at Daniel Kaluuya’s house), and tells how his signature “mint” color aesthetic was inspired after shooting a music video at the Rienzi museum and then “just liking it.”
    • "I just liked it. That's it." — Tobe, on his signature color (67:25)

Global Vision, Label Talk, and Grammy Nomination

• (74:33–75:44, 73:14–74:10)
  • On remaining independent: Tobe shares it’s not ideological, labels can be right for some—but his hands-on, multi-talented approach fits his journey.
    • "Because if you try to do what I'm doing the way I'm doing it, the majority of people would die. It take a whole lot. ... I would have had a team, too, if I had some money." — Tobe (74:33–75:12)
  • Regarding his Grammy nod, he says:
    • "They should have never let me be this successful by myself, bro. Yeah. And then I'm with my people, and I did it the way that I wanted to." — Tobe (73:31–74:00)

Upcoming Projects

• (76:51–82:30)
  • Announces a new project and his wife’s upcoming solo project; reveals a Moncler visual featuring Al Pacino and Robert De Niro and more Reebok shoes.
    • "I did my first ever visual with Al Pacino and Robert D[i]Niro ... that's something I just did with Moncler. That's coming out towards the end of this year." — Tobe (81:32)

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4. Bun B: Houston’s Legacy, Business, and Cultural Impact

Burgers, Community, and Everyday Life

• (85:58–87:10)
  • Shares the genesis of his burger business, upending expectations when even he loved the caramelized onion/pickle combo he “never eats.” Credits the city for embracing his venture.
    • "I thank everybody in the city for really jumping behind this burger for me." — Bun B (86:57)

Houston’s Cultural & Musical Footprint

• (90:38–92:18)
  • Explains why Houston is uniquely stacked with homegrown sneaker collabs, shouts out local artists and entrepreneurs carrying the torch from music to fashion.

Artist Fame in H-Town – An Enduring Respect

• (98:33–99:49)
  • Bun reflects on why Houston artists enjoy lifelong reverence “like uncles and cousins,” in contrast to other cities where support fades with time.
    • "Ain't nobody trying to hurt me in Houston, I'm everybody uncle for the most part." — Bun B (99:15)

Evolution of The Music Business

• (94:20–97:18)
  • Discusses how streaming, social media, and internet hustle changed the artist economy: "The game is set up for everybody to make money off of it but you. So you got to decide whether you want to be famous or be rich, because sometimes you can't be both." (95:33)
  • Reminisces about “old-school” promotion—flyers on cars, hand-to-hand CDs—and how Houston’s business acumen let local artists often bypass the “two million dollar" big-label offers from New York and LA.

On Supporting Early Drake

• (104:38–107:15)
  • Shares the story of how Jazz Prince got him to hop on an early Drake joint and the moment he recognized Drake’s “threatening” star power.
    • "the man went on stage and everybody singing the song. And I look at my gal and she looking at this like she's supposed to look at me. ... I don't know if we ever really had a light skinned like this in rap music..." — Bun B (106:02)

Pimp C Memories and Studio Stories

• (122:33–129:00)
  • Talks about UGK, working from middle school days with Pimp C, and how their authenticity never wavered. Tells how 'International Players Anthem' came to be, why Outkast didn’t record together, and how studio magic happened.
    • "We didn't have to change nothing about who we was to become who we became. ... All I did was just ride shotgun with my hold him down. And everything we dreamed of, it eventually happened." — Bun B (123:44)

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |-----------|---------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 08:45 | Vernon Maxwell | "It was a blessing for just my mom. She's 82 years old…Just to see me get my flowers..." | | 10:44 | Vernon Maxwell | "Be trying to discredit us for this, man. I don't like that. Y' all gotta stop that..." | | 16:34 | Vernon Maxwell | "It helps out the brand. The Maxwell Brand...It's a blessing for me, man, just to be a part of that." | | 31:02 | Vernon Maxwell | "That nigga's a big shot. Rob. ... That was a killer. ... if we wouldn't have bought him back, we wouldn't have won that ring..." | | 44:29 | Tobe Nwigwe | "If you seen my audition, when I tell you, top tier trash. ... Ain't no way in hell..." | | 54:15 | Tobe Nwigwe | "I was broke and I had no friends with money...I just applied everything that I learned in football..." | | 73:31 | Tobe Nwigwe | "They should have never let me be this successful by myself...I did it the way that I wanted to." | | 86:57 | Bun B | "I thank everybody in the city for really jumping behind this burger for me." | | 95:33 | Bun B | "The game is set up for everybody to make money off of it but you. ... you want to be famous or be rich, because sometimes you can't be both." | | 99:15 | Bun B | "Ain't nobody trying to hurt me in Houston, I'm everybody uncle for the most part." | | 123:44 | Bun B | "All I did was just ride shotgun with [Pimp C], hold him down. And everything we dreamed of, it eventually happened." |

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TIMESTAMPS FOR KEY SEGMENTS

• 04:07 – Houston gets its flowers, live show energy
• 08:30 – Vernon Maxwell on University of Florida records and giving his mom her moment
• 10:17 – Rockets championships and the MJ debate
• 15:05 – Maxwell on the new media space and All the Smoke
• 28:51 – Houston nightlife stories; moving back to the city
• 31:02 – The Robert Horry/Big Shot Rob exchange
• 39:21 – Tobe Nwigwe describes football origins and family dynamic
• 42:43 – Landing the Transformers role
• 54:15 – From nonprofit work to music through Eric Thomas
• 74:33 – Independent artists, working with/without labels
• 81:32 – Upcoming Moncler visual with Al Pacino and Robert De Niro
• 85:58 – Bun B talks burgers and business pivot
• 90:38 – Houston's sneaker and music culture
• 98:33 – On being loved (always) in Houston
• 104:38 – Bun B on Drake’s rise
• 123:44 – Bun B & Pimp C, the foundation of UGK
• 126:01 – Outkast on “Players Anthem,” recording independently

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FINAL THOUGHTS

Club 520’s first Houston live show is a high-energy, hilarious, and deeply insightful exchange among legends of NBA, hip hop, and entrepreneurship. The episode mixes raw storytelling, inside jokes, sports memories, and major gems about legacy, independence, and the ever-evolving industries of music, business, and culture. Whether it’s Vernon Maxwell’s unfiltered comedy, Tobe Nwigwe’s inspirational grind, or Bun B’s sage wisdom on culture and business—this episode is a celebratory window into Houston's past, present, and future.

If you missed the episode, this recap covers all the essential moments, themes, and personalities that made the night an immediate classic for both Houston and the Club 520 faithful.

Transcript

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[Vernon Maxwell]

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[Bun B]

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[Bun B]

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[Bun B]

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[DJ]

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[DJ]

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[Bun B]

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[Vernon Maxwell]

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[Vernon Maxwell]

The volume.

[Bun B]

Man.

[DJ]

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[Host/Interviewer]

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[DJ]

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[Host/Interviewer]

For real?

[DJ]

Yeah, it's mobile. They getting active. Listen, man, everybody pulling up.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hold on, hold on. Ain't no way they pulling up Boost Mobile, setting up my service on my new iPhone 17 at the crib.

[DJ]

You ain't gotta leave, man. Come on, off the couch with it. Listen, doorstep sir, you know what I'm saying? When you get a new phone, the worst part is transferring your contacts, your pictures and messages, all that.

[Host/Interviewer]

You.

[DJ]

You ain't even gotta do all that. They gonna handle that for you. Just tap in. Listen, man, the most powerful iPhone ever. IPhone 17, Boost Mobile got. You ain't gotta leave the crib. They gonna break your phone, transfer refer you, man. What's the excuse not to get a bn?

[Host/Interviewer]

Ain't no excuses. Especially they pulling up to your door with. I never know other providers ever did that.

[DJ]

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[Host/Interviewer]

Wow. That's definitely new, man. That's tight.

[DJ]

Yeah. Shout out to Boost Mobile, man. Some of my dogs pulling up with us, setting the vibes for show in the city.

[Host/Interviewer]

Don't forget about my dog Barbie over there.

[Toby]

Shout out to Barbie.

[Host/Interviewer]

You know what I' saying?

[DJ]

Oh, damn.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hold on.

[DJ]

Okay, don't pan that way when we shout out. This is a family show. These is freaky. What's happening? Be here with your hometown, baby.

[Host/Interviewer]

What's up with it? What's happening A. What the Is going on? Yeah.

[DJ]

Oh, y' all with him.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[DJ]

Ain't this a. For sure, for sure, man. You know the vibes, man. Listen, we had to start the tour off right, man. One of our favorite cities, first and foremost, want to thank y', all, man. H town, especially Texas, has been one of our biggest markets since we started this show. So shout out to y' all for the support. We love y'.

[Vernon Maxwell]

All.

[DJ]

Appreciate y'. All.

[Bun B]

Yeah, go ahead.

[DJ]

Give yourselves a round of applause.

[Bun B]

Appreciate y' all for sure.

[DJ]

You know what it is, though? Club 520 Live at H Town I'm your host. My name is D.J.

[Toby]

Wells.

[DJ]

To my far left, you know who it is. My dog, Bishop B.

[Bun B]

Head out. The Prelates.

[DJ]

How you at, Nancy?

[Host/Interviewer]

What's good and nasty? Let's get to it, baby. Yes, sir. The people said all bullshit. Oh. Cause I was on.

[DJ]

That's how you starting off?

[Host/Interviewer]

No, but these didn't buy my shoes. So that's on them, bro.

[DJ]

Eli. Eli, bro. To my right, my dog, Young Nacho. Yo, Tig, how you.

[Host/Interviewer]

What?

[DJ]

Well, you know, I didn't get to say. Rapal. I didn't get to say, you know, this must be his city. I can't wait till we go to Atlanta. Nah, but now I'm glad to be here. H Town, this is beautiful. We didn't have a time. I didn't eat soul food. Every meal. Shout out to B him. My stomach is that bubbling right now.

[Host/Interviewer]

Cuz, where we go? We went to Lost and Found and shout out to George. So shout out to great hospitality and.

[DJ]

Where we went for breakfast.

[Host/Interviewer]

Breakfast Club.

[DJ]

Yeah. Stomach still going. Yeah, yeah. If y' all see T, exit stage right.

[Bun B]

Don't worry about it.

[DJ]

My boy just getting back right?

[Bun B]

For sure.

[DJ]

No, man, it's all good. Listen, man, we're gonna have some fun tonight, man. We appreciate y'.

[Bun B]

All.

[DJ]

We got a couple guests. But first things first is only right. We in Houston. We got our dog, OG My Unc. My dog, Mad Max, Vernon, Maxwell, H Town sponsors in the building.

[Host/Interviewer]

Make the noise for my dog. Yes, sir. Max. Bad Max, baby.

[DJ]

Hit me on the blast. Freaky Vern in the building. What's happening?

[Vernon Maxwell]

God damn. Nah, this is crazy. Hey, what to do, my people? Hey, call me freaking Vern. First of all, I gotta check my. Now, I ain't no freak. I'm a hoe. I want you to call me a hoe. I ain't no friend.

[Host/Interviewer]

Why you. You go.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I. I heard the other day. I said, damn. I was looking at the. And I said, God damn. My said, oh, we got freaky version.

[DJ]

What the freaking bird?

[Vernon Maxwell]

I'm a hover. I'm a hoe. But tell them why In a hoe is totally different.

[Host/Interviewer]

Tell them why you ain't a freak.

[DJ]

Break it down.

[Host/Interviewer]

Tell them why you ain't a freak.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Well, we was talking backstage and I told you. Because, see, see, like you a freak. See. Cause you eat ass. And I ain't no freak. Cause I don't eat ass.

[Bun B]

I'm a hoe.

[DJ]

I just.

[Vernon Maxwell]

A lot of women. I'm sorry. That's what I do. I'm sorry, but I have no disrespect to you women, but I ain't got nobody, so I can say this shit so this shit don't get mad at me now. I'm just saying some real shit.

[DJ]

Oh, yeah. The vibes are already high, but yeah, we got some drinks for her.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Where Barbie at? Where the game? Shout out to Barbie. There we go.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Damn.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Let me take this off there.

[Bun B]

Hey, freaky bird.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right on. Yeah, baby.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Did you just hear what I just told you? I'm not a freak.

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm a ho.

[DJ]

Freaky ho. Okay, I take that girl.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Good God Almighty, y' all did something up here. Y' all got a old ass. Cougar ass. I like it. I like what you're doing, boy. This first show, I'm glad to be a part of this town.

[DJ]

Yeah, for sure, man. Listen, first and foremost, congratulations, Big Dog. Getting the records back in Florida, baby. Number one scoring in the universe.

[Bun B]

Hey, hey.

[DJ]

Put the buckets back on the mat.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Absolutely, man. That was a blessing, man, for me, just for my mom to see it, man, because I was a up all my life, and I mean. I really mean that. And this for my mom just to see that, because it hurt her to her heart, because she know how much I put into that at the University of Florida, so. But I was just. It was a. It was a blessing for just my mom. She's 82 years old, and just to see her, she's still alive and she's healthy. Just to see my mom get. To see me get my flowers like that, it was a blessing for me, man. So it was kudos to them University of Florida for. They did the right goddamn thing, though. Now, God damn, y' all don't feel sorry for old Max now. I want a. To feel. Never feel sorry for me, but they did the right goddamn thing. Put Max back in the books where I was supposed to be. Cause you one thing I always tell motherfuckers. You can't take numbers. Don't never lie.

[Host/Interviewer]

Where was you at when you got the call that you was. You know what I mean?

[Vernon Maxwell]

At my crib, chilling and just got through working out, riding on my peloton, telling everybody if you invited, like, if you ain't. Hey, y' all know what I'm getting ready to say if ain't nobody told you today they love your old Mad Max.

[Bun B]

I love you.

[Vernon Maxwell]

That's what I always say before when I'm riding my peloton, so I'm on my peloton, so, yeah, I've got that call on Tuesday, that Tuesday before the last Saturday. And damn, I had to stop riding, man. I brought a little tears to my eyes, man, because I never thought it was going to happen. So it was a blessing, man. I mean, for real, for sure, for sure.

[DJ]

Listen, I want to ask you this. This has been resurfacing recently. I know we in Houston, you know what I'm saying? You was a Rocket. They've been saying, you know what I'm saying? Once upon a time, if Michael Jordan didn't know what I'm saying. Take his little. He would have put built to that rockers team.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Who said that?

[DJ]

Mike. They said Mike would have beat y', all, man.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Y' all on this, man.

[DJ]

Y', all, this.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Hey, man, listen, man, listen. We everybody, I mean, I'm sure everybody know well, when we played against the. I mean, they say our championships don't count because Mike wasn't playing. And he went and tried that dumb ass tried his baseball. And you can't just go and play baseball and just say, I'm gonna start hitting a hundred mile an hour. That's not your craft. But I, I, we can't help the did that dumb. He went and played baseball. You know what I'm saying? I can't help. Cause Mike went and played baseball. And then Elijah Juan was the best player in the NBA after him, you know, I mean, because I always thought that. Anyway, we knew Mike was the best. And then at that, during that era, it was dream after Mike. I mean, so we knew that. So. But man, just look at the numbers. Like I said, numbers don't lie. When we played against their ass in this numbers. But they was taking L's we. I mean, I, man, I mean, I love Mike. Mike is the best I ever played against. I mean, I swear to God. But I mean, but I mean.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nah, rings is your rings. Can't nobody take that away from you.

[Vernon Maxwell]

But I'm just saying, man, be trying to discredit us for this, man. I don't like that. Y' all gotta stop that. All these hating ass around here with this talking about we ain't get the rings. And I'm about to take my hair loose up this talk about this. Cause this got me up. So. Yeah, we got two goddamn rings. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I know we, we, we believe this. And everybody in this room, we believe that. But Mike and Chicago.

[DJ]

Yeah, they would have beat y'.

[Host/Interviewer]

All.

[DJ]

But anyway.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah, yeah, he was, yeah.

[Bun B]

He went with a L. Now I.

[DJ]

Wanted to ask you about this New Rockets team. Y' all got Kevin Durant coming to Houston. Kd, it's a lot of excitement around the city by Kevin Durant being here. You as a former champion, a legend, a Rockets legend. How you feel about this new Rockets team, man?

[Vernon Maxwell]

I'm telling you, man, I. I said it already. I said it. All we need is a. We can roll the ball out to and just go get me a bucket and we got him, kd. Yeah, we got this. So now we locks up. We played D. We got. I mean, I. I mean, I hate Van Fleet went down. That's a big loss for us. I think we got to figure this part that we're going to figure that shit out, though. I think a man's going to go to the point guard position. We're going to have a big ass team out there. I mean, we're going to be big. We could be long defensively, but I think we're going to miss Ben.

[DJ]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

I forgot that was o.

[DJ]

Me they gonna be.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nah, you was like, I'm. I'mma just. I'mma put you up on gbo. He was like, we gonna be long. So like, you gotta chill. You gotta see it. We give you a pass. OG we give you a pass. Don't pull your hair out.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Hey, let me tell you something, you hear me? I'm 60 years old up here with this. Y' all don't hold me on every goddamn thing I say, God damn it. Let Max have a break. God damn. Oh, God damn every damn y'. All. Y' all one thing about Houston. But I love you. Yeah, I love all you one thing about Houston is y' all hold y' all hat on old Maxi. Y' all love old Max and I love you back, so. But don't. I might. Some might come out wrong. And don't hold me on that old 60 now.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right? I'm 60.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I'm old ass. I ain't no goddamn. Look, I ain't no. No chap. I'm. I'm. I'm old enough to be goddamn daddy a lot of you. There you go.

[Host/Interviewer]

My said I want to ask you about this new media space you in, man, joining Stack and Matt. Like how that's been for you.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Oh, man, that's just amazing, man. That mean the one took me off. That's why I took off like a rocket, because Matt, Steve, Jack, and then he. Damn Jack bought me on to the big three. And, and I mean, it's, it's, it's. It helps out the brand. The Maxwell Brand, you know what I mean? But I'm. I'm a part of all the smoke. And it was a blessing, man, just to be a. I mean. Cause God damn. Come on now. When I got on that we. We took off. We took the back off. But I love them. Matt, Steve.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Brian, Dylan, I love all the. Y' all don't know the I'm talking about, though. The mother two. But Matt and Steve, I love them, so. I mean, I couldn't have did it without the they.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Cause you. You gotta understand there something. Yeah. Y' all know. Y' all know I say.

[DJ]

Hey, yo, count for motherfuckers on our first show. The first spot. But it was 37.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Goddamn it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay, Speak your mind.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Nah, but nah. Them all right, my. Slow down. Go ahead. Okay, but not it. I' ma stop saying how about that? Okay. I'm gonna sound different then y' all almost sound.

[DJ]

That's right.

[Vernon Maxwell]

All right, I'm gonna talk that. But nah. But now it's a blessing for the. Bring me on that show, man. It helped the brand. And I mean, it's a. It's a blessing for me, man, just to be a part of that, man. We getting ready to start back up, and I think on the 17th or 18th, we're gonna do a live show.

[Bun B]

So.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah, y' all tune in, get ready for this.

[Host/Interviewer]

I see you had a grab Stack back there in that locker room, boy.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Huh?

[Host/Interviewer]

Back in the locker room in the big three.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Oh, nah. Stack, you know, y'. All. You know, Stack, you know that's gonna be stacked. We love Stack, you know, Stack, he just like, Max, you know, you said something to. I mean, like, you know, and. And, you know, Stack them, you know, I. I love that right there. Now, that's my dog right there. Can't nobody do. Now that's my dog right there.

[Host/Interviewer]

Would you ever coach in the big three? Like stick.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Excuse me?

[Host/Interviewer]

Would you ever coach in the big three?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah. Well, God damn, I think I supposed to be in there next year. You know, Ice Cube say, got a job for me next year coaching my own team, so.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah, let's look forward. I want to. I want to coach the goddamn Houston team, though. I mean, I should be coaching the Houston team, you know. I love Calvin Murphy to death. Y' all hear me? I love that. That fight. Y' all don't know Calvin Murph that fought worse than me. That was a fighter.

[Bun B]

That.

[Vernon Maxwell]

What Y' all just don't know this little. That little Calvin Murphy with all the funny ass suits he'd be wearing that is a fighter I want to let you know. So Calvin Murphy is worse than me. So Calvin told me, say Max something. I think I'm gonna get rid of that. I ain't gonna do this next year. I said I was in my mind. I was like, thank you.

[DJ]

That's my.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I'm gonna coach the Houston team. So hopefully I'll be coaching Houston team next year with the big three. So. Yeah.

[DJ]

Yes, sir. I seen what you was trying to do. I'm not playing the big three. This done.

[Host/Interviewer]

We are signing you to whatever deal Vern want to sign you to. You will be playing on burn too. That is your strong point guard. I'm his agent.

[DJ]

Why the he think he my agent?

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm his agent. So anything you want. If it's looking slim for the roster, you got a player.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Oh, I take that.

[Host/Interviewer]

That.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I take this anyway. Hey, hey, hey. Pray done went down, boy.

[DJ]

You ready?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Fred done went down. You ready?

[DJ]

Damn.

[Host/Interviewer]

Damn. Damn, boy.

[Vernon Maxwell]

You'll be a good feeling, boy.

[Host/Interviewer]

Man, y' all better get Russell Westbrook.

[DJ]

Yeah, OG I'll be sitting over there with you. Hey, you gotta chill. Hey, you got. He gotta chill. 55 is crazy. At least double zero respect. Now, listen, you was in Houston as it was developing. Y' all was winning. What's the difference between the city, how it was back then and now when we were winning?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Oh, man. Well, I mean. Well, it took a minute for us to start winning. I mean, because. Because, I mean, when I first got here, we was like. I think the first year I was here. And like, I'm old ass. Oh, just stop listening at the years I'm talking about.

[Toby]

I got back here.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Y' all probably wasn't even born a lot of you out here. So I was in like eight and nine when I.

[DJ]

Damn.

[Host/Interviewer]

Damn. I was one. We grown as hell. Damn.

[Vernon Maxwell]

That's what I'm saying. This is the fuckery shit I get to deal with when I'm on this motherfucker. I get to. That shows my age.

[Toby]

And.

[Vernon Maxwell]

And I'm sorry. This is who I am. I'm sorry, but. No but I'm sorry. What we was talking about. Cause you know I'm old now. Tell me what we was talking about again. Say it again.

[DJ]

How does city look different for you now coming back?

[Bun B]

That's what the we was talking about.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Okay, I forgot all about that goddamn question, boy. Okay, now the city is different because now. But back then. But when I first came here, man, we wasn't doing shit. We was like 41 and 41, some shit like that. That's what we was doing. We was middle of the road getting the first round lose.

[DJ]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[DJ]

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[Toby]

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[DJ]

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[Bun B]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Toby]

What was that?

[Host/Interviewer]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Toby]

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[Vernon Maxwell]

But Rudy T. And well, who brought I gotta give kudos to my guy, though. Don Chaney. Don Cheney is the one that had the balls to bring me in this, because I don't think it. And I don't know if you all know who Don Cheney is. Just a head coach, you know, Don Chaney.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Okay. A legend. He the one had enough balls to bring my crazy ass in here to Houston. And I got. San Antonio got rid of me. Cause I was fighting all the time up there in San Antonio in these bars. So papa told me he was the general manager. You keep going these bars fighting, we'll get rid of your dumbass. So I kept going there fighting. So.

[Toby]

And then.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah, and so. And then they got rid of my ass and Don Cheney. I got to get Don chain the trap. But the difference in the city now is that we. Rudy, he kept a lot of us together. We had a bond. We had, like, it's a. Is a core. We had like, a core of guys that he kept together that he believed in. And we just. And he kept us together. And then he put Robert Hori and he put Sam Cassell, and then he, you know, he put all those other guys like Carl Harrell that hit with the weight upside the head and all these other, you know, Mario, Ellie, my boy. Kiss the death, Mario. Love you, boy. You know that Mario and Sam miss my guy, you know, so. But. Yeah, but they kept us together, and then we bought them the guys together. And then it was different then. We knew it was going to win it. We started at the damn season 23 and 1. Come on now. What the are we talking about? We started at them 23 and 1, so. And then we. We knew it was a special team at that point, but then now. But now you want to. I'm talking about this team now. The difference in the city now. But when we won the. You couldn't even go up down that street. What that goddamn street. Well, Sam's boat, what that called all up down rich. When you couldn't get up and down Richmond, you. That was blocked off, so we couldn't get out the locker room. So I said, you know, Mad Max. I sat in that. I was blowing.

[DJ]

What was the clown.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I was blowing.

[Host/Interviewer]

I was.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I waiting. You get out the way. I was in my goddamn Ferrari. I was like, God damn, I can't go out there with this. Hold on. I left that up on the house. I just stayed down all night till about 2, 3. I was just blowing. I was just blowing.

[DJ]

Oh, you had a Rory back then, huh? You had the Ferrari?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah.

[DJ]

Wow. Oh, damn. Talk to him. Oh, damn. What was the clubs like?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. How was the night life?

[DJ]

How was the night life when you was like, nightlife?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Oh, man, there a lot of them out here I probably done seen. Yeah, don't start this. Yeah, but, nah, nightlife was great for me. I mean, I had a great time in Houston. Houston's my second, like, my home, you know, I'm moving back here in December. Oh, nice. So I love. I love Houston, man. We got the beautiful women in Houston, Texas. Oh, my goodness. I love some Houston women, man. Y' all some beautiful ass women. God bless y' all mamas and daddies.

[DJ]

Hey, og, we need you, though. You know what I'm saying? T be hearing they got a little bit of a beef with Robert Ory. We need you to settle it, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't got no beef with Robert or. That's Jeff. Hold on.

[DJ]

I ain't got no beef. But, like, pause. I was like. I just said. I didn't even say nothing bad. I just said nobody really cared that he won that many rings.

[Host/Interviewer]

It's not talked about.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Hey, hold up. Jeff, please, man. Jeff, please. Not Robert Hori. Nah, I call him Freak. Let's see.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, now you gonna put that on him? You call him the freak?

[DJ]

So he the one.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah, when I call him Freak. When they. When he was a rookie, he was a fre. But it wasn't. Not literally, because.

[DJ]

Let me.

[Host/Interviewer]

Let me.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Cause Rob. No.

[DJ]

Robert over here, like, Rob.

[Vernon Maxwell]

You know, Rob. Rob. When you hear this, you know what I'm talking about. When I called you freak athlete. Yeah, I called him Freak by Rob, man. Rob is a.

[Host/Interviewer]

But now.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Don'T never discredit my.

[DJ]

That did.

[Vernon Maxwell]

That nigga's a big shot. Rob. Yeah, that got seven rings. That was a killer. And I hated when we traded him and brought him back and said. You know what I mean? But I was glad we brought him back, because I swear to God, if we wouldn't have bought him back, we wouldn't have won that ring, man, because Rob was so big for our organization. Organization, man. I swear to God, man. So.

[Host/Interviewer]

But.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Nah, Jeff, stop. Don't.

[DJ]

No, no, I wasn't discrediting his game or what he did. I was just saying, like, he wasn't that popular. Like, if some other people would have won seven rings, it would be a little different. I was like, if J R Smith would have won seven rings, he was more popular.

[Host/Interviewer]

Well, because.

[Vernon Maxwell]

You know why? Because Junior Smith, Vernon Maxwell.

[Toby]

Yeah.

[Vernon Maxwell]

And all us niggas, we out. We out in the Streets. Robert Hori. Rob. Big shot.

[Host/Interviewer]

Rob.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Rob go hit a big shot. Rob go lay by his goddamn people. What we doing tonight? What you want to go eat? You know Rob don't want to do all this. You know what I do? I hit a big. I hit a game winner. I'm in four, five clubs, strip clubs, all this. Hey, baby, I know you want me tonight. I know you want old Max tonight. I want you, too. God damn it. Cause I was a ho. I was in goddamn divorce court in. Damn. 94, 95 at the playoffs. I was in divorce court. We talking. I was dealing with a bunch of 95. We won that.

[DJ]

Nah, I feel you. Cause never mind. I hit one game with her in my life. You went through that, too.

[Host/Interviewer]

It was.

[Bun B]

Wow.

[DJ]

Tilt that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, me.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Hey, boy, that me up, though. I was in the PO House.

[Bun B]

Oh, man.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah. But I did it to myself.

[DJ]

Have you seen online that they made the custom Utah jersey with your name and number on the back of it?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Boy, if you do that. This talk about Utah jersey, Memphis, you them goddamn white folks harass me, talk about my mama, talk about my stillboy and daughter. The did so much to me over there in Utah. That's why I keep them under the radar.

[DJ]

Absolutely.

[Vernon Maxwell]

You talk.

[DJ]

We got a live show in Utah next month.

[Host/Interviewer]

Are you coming? Are you coming back?

[Vernon Maxwell]

We all going out there next month. Yeah, y' all gonna bring me back. I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. This. I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. I ain't scared of no body. I ain't scared of nobody. What you said my people. Oh, I wanna. Well, I wanna smoke that goddamn mar. I wanna smoke it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Let him smoke.

[DJ]

Hey, where the.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I'm at. What's the name of this goddamn hall?

[Host/Interviewer]

House of Blues. Huh? House of Blues. House of Blues. Y' all gotta stop.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Break some rules. Well, y' all got Mad Max in this. Cause y' all ain't getting the best out of me yet. I gotta smoke that goddamn marriage of wine. I got to have it in the lungs. See, I'm up right now. Cause I. I'm goddamn. Keep drinking, man.

[DJ]

God damn. He said stop playing. Make sure it ain't no Reggie.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Houston, y'.

[Vernon Maxwell]

All.

[Host/Interviewer]

Wow. Man, come sit your ass down, man.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Come get this. My cam. Hey, this. We gotta test. Test that out. That might try to kill me. I might have some in that goddamn crack in there stuff. You gonna give me a joint? Like I'm gonna.

[DJ]

Hey, hit that first.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Cam, let Cam die. I Love it, though. Hey, you're a real one.

[DJ]

Only 520, bro. Yeah, you know something?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Huh?

[DJ]

You said what he said. Dj, shake some.

[Host/Interviewer]

What? This died laughing and that say yeah. Dj.

[DJ]

My used to be a backup dancer years ago. Hey, hey, I love that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Don't start that.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Oh, yeah, these scared. Yeah, y' all don't be scared to go live.

[Host/Interviewer]

What's next for you, though, Max? What's up? What you got up and coming? I got.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Me and Bubba Dub in the show and shout out to Bubba Dub.

[Bun B]

Okay, Yeah, I gotta.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I got some coming up. All the smoke I'm gonna, you know, basketball sticking, red top back up. So all the smoke and yeah, f to do that. And then I got a lot of. Man, damn, man, I'm. I'm a blessed old ass. Damn. I can't even believe I'm getting all these flowers and so. But at my age, man, I'm 60, man. It's a blessing for me, man.

[DJ]

Listen, OG we appreciate it. Appreciate you as always. Make some noise for Freaky Vern before you get off here one time.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I ain't no freak.

[DJ]

Yo, Y. Y' all have a little intermission there. Be here for the people passing out shots. What they drinking on being. You gotta have a mic.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, my bad.

[DJ]

Sorry.

[Host/Interviewer]

That liquor kicking my ass already went.

[DJ]

To the shade where you put the shades on.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's a different head sweating in here, bro. What did my life.

[DJ]

Damn.

[Host/Interviewer]

This know Got to keep the fat town.

[DJ]

This man the story for sure, baby. We going to keep the show rolling. Shout out to y', all, man. Our next guest, one of the finest to come for this city, man. Entrepreneur, entertainer, rapper. All the above from the city, Big Dog, Mr. Toby Wig Wave m. My dog. Yes, sir.

[Toby]

Htown. What's going down?

[DJ]

Oh, what's happening with it, my dog. Appreciate you pulling up on us, baby. How you living?

[Toby]

Oh, man, let me tell you something. When y', all when they asked me would I come up here, I really don't fool with a lot of. Because, you know, but when I tell you y' all be having me so weak online. I was like, oh, I got to, I got to pull up, bro. Yeah, I really fool with y'.

[Host/Interviewer]

All.

[Toby]

I, I, I didn't took time away from. Yeah, my wife and five kids.

[Host/Interviewer]

Woo.

[Toby]

The five I'm good on. I could, I could take time from them.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bun B]

But I didn't.

[Toby]

You know what I'm saying? I might not be able to wake her up when I get back.

[Host/Interviewer]

No respect.

[DJ]

We've been there Lord, Lord, we come.

[Host/Interviewer]

From that same soil.

[DJ]

Come on.

[Host/Interviewer]

Know how they be. Get home, baby week.

[DJ]

All right.

[Bun B]

Oh, my man.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Wow.

[DJ]

2K it is. For sure. Listen, man, we want to start off on the origins. We ain't gonna talk about the music first. We heard you was like that in football, though, before everything cracked off.

[Toby]

Yeah, Let me tell you something. I was. But it don't mean nothing when you play for a sorry team.

[DJ]

I've been there before.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Toby]

Mine was a little worse.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Toby]

Damn. N. I was a defensive MVP, but we went 1 and 11.

[Host/Interviewer]

How the hell you win that award?

[Toby]

Yeah, Y. Oh, I tell you how. When we was 09 and we was about to lose to Western Kentucky, I caught an interception on a one yard line and ran at 99 yards to make us one and nine.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, that solidify the title right there. Unanimous MVP.

[Toby]

Come on.

[Bun B]

Unanimous.

[Toby]

Come on. He the only one that got us one.

[Host/Interviewer]

No, for sure, for sure. What position did you play?

[Toby]

Middle linebacker.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Toby]

Yeah, I've been the same size since college. I ain't went up or down. I just stayed the same.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Toby]

Come on.

[Bun B]

Well, it ain't.

[Toby]

It ain't really like that. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You ain't never just North Texas, you.

[Host/Interviewer]

Know what I'm saying?

[Toby]

Just saying I got love for it.

[DJ]

But I'm just saying it ain't.

[Toby]

We can't just get out there with everybody just throwing up. They. You know what I'm saying? Throwing up their stuff sense.

[DJ]

Now we the same way. I be like, wait for like before. Ask me where that was at one time I was like, damn.

[Toby]

Oh, God.

[DJ]

Now for sure. I want to ask you this. Obviously speaking about the family early on, how was that like moving around? Cuz you go everywhere with your family, which is honorable. It's a plausible. I know at times though, especially being an entertainer, it's got to be a little bit of a headache or a little bit hard to maneuver with everybody.

[Toby]

Not. Well, yeah, it is now, but it wasn't as much when I two child, three kids. Once we got past three, now it's like entourage. Yeah, yeah. Now we need more help. But because I ain't have no foreknowledge of how to maneuver in the industry, it wasn't really nothing to me because I. I really love being with my people and I don't. I can't stress this enough. I really don't like being around like that, especially people who not like, you.

[Bun B]

Know what I'm saying?

[Toby]

I don't really know them like that. So I really feel good when I go out to places and I'm, you know, I'm saying with my family and I ain't bring nobody here because I knew it. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ]

Respect.

[Toby]

It's gonna be some real. You know what I'm saying? This ain't fat environment.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Toby]

My wife don't really be on. She'd be like. I say I showed her like two. Two clips. It was really being that. Really.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

I love.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I.

[Host/Interviewer]

Why would you say supposed to do that backstage?

[DJ]

Which clip was it? I showed her the clips that this.

[Toby]

Was talking about the wnba.

[Host/Interviewer]

I thought you was about to say, you better not say that, cuz that's probably the other one he showed you.

[DJ]

Talk about that basketball clip and we teach your son how to dribble. I couldn't do it.

[Host/Interviewer]

I ain't talking the rest of the show.

[DJ]

Come on out of pocket.

[Bun B]

Yeah, y' all legendary.

[DJ]

Come on n. For sure. I want to ask you this. We going to jump around a little bit. How did you get in Transformers?

[Toby]

Nah, nah, that's.

[DJ]

This.

[Toby]

No, this is crazy.

[DJ]

Was in Transformers, bruh.

[Toby]

And then. So when they hit me at first, when they was like, you want to be in Transformers? I thought I was going to be like, oh, yeah, look.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh snap, it's a Transformer.

[Toby]

And then I'm like. But I was cool with it because I'm like, I ain't never did nothing ever in my life. I don't got no im DB however you say it, I don't have. I ain't never had that or nothing like that. But the director of the film. The director of the film, Stephen Capel Jr. His best friend, was a huge fan of my music. And right before they started shooting the film, his best. And he reached out to Paramount on my behalf. Well, not on my behalf. We really. And told them to like, hey, I really want Toby to play the role of the character who, like, embodied his best friend in the film. So when they reached out to me, I thought it was like, how do I explain it? I thought was pranking me in my email because. No, no, because like, in my email you'll get stuff from like, I don't know, whoever. Pac. I don't want to say no name, but like, whatever.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Big name.

[Toby]

And it'll say like, so such and such big name at Yahoo. And it's like my. I know what you McCall ain't got no Yahoo password. But so I got the Paramount stuff and I Thought it was a joke. So when they sent the stuff and it was like, no, it's real. I had never did no audition or nothing before. And if we had a video or something in my audition, when I tell you, top tier trash. No, I'm talking about, bruh.

[Bun B]

Terrible.

[Toby]

I didn't know what the hell I'm looking at on the phone. I'm looking at the lines. I'm recording myself and looking at the lines, and I'm like, see? And I just sent it in like that outside. Like, bro, there ain't no way in hell they gonna really want me. I was just. I just did what I. I could do. And when they hit me back, I was like, dang, that's crazy that they hit me back. But then they was like, this was like the height of the pandemic, so we had to go to Canada for, like, two months in quarantine. But I was like, yeah, we just had a. We just had my second child. And I was like, yeah, I'm just not really. I never wanted to be an actor in no way. So I was like, yeah, so if I come, I can't leave my wife and my two babies, so they gonna have to come quarantine with me. And when I. When I sent the request in, I was like, are we for sure not gonna be able to get in no Transformers? I ain't Denzel. I ain't got no resume or nothing. But they was like, we cool.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Toby]

So I was able to bring my wife, my kids, and I ain't have to, you know what I'm saying, be abstinent or. You know what I'm saying? Whatever they was talking about, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Interviewer]

The real quarantine.

[DJ]

Turn the radio on.

[Bun B]

It.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's a crazy pickup, though, bro. Was you, like, nervous? Like, were you?

[Bun B]

I was.

[Toby]

Because I never did no acting like that ever in my life. So what people don't know about movies and what. Hell, I didn't know. It's not like a play or something like that or like a rap where you have to memorize the whole thing and go out there and just be like, you know what I'm saying? Like Tom Cruise or nothing like that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

So I'm. So I didn't memorize the whole. The whole packet, like, the Satisfaction. That's all I got my reference for, you know what I'm saying? That's the only real test I took.

[Host/Interviewer]

Respect.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Toby]

So I'm doing. I'm memorizing everything when we get out there and they like, no, no, no. Just these two lines. I'm like, you lying?

[Bun B]

Swear to God.

[Toby]

So I start when it. When I find out it's just two lines. Now I'm in that whole comfortable. I'm just. I'm cooking cuz this. This thing. So with my stuff, I do all the direction, the. The clothes, the costume, and the. The. I write all the stuff. I got to produce the stuff. All the stuff.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Toby]

So when I got there, all I had to do was read them lines. So I'm in that whole feeling like, oh, be in. I ain't gonna lie. I'm in that whole feeling like you. Yeah, I'm feeling like, oh, this is.

[Host/Interviewer]

All I gotta do.

[Toby]

I'm doing the lines and I'm. And I'm cooking.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

And then I'm. I'm going so crazy because I just. I feel free.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Toby]

That. I ain't gonna lie. The white people was like, yeah, bring that back. No, no, no. They was like, hey. Because I only had a couple lines, but I was going so smooth that when they did the like, before they put a movie out, they show like, they test it with like, smaller audiences. The smaller audiences was like, hey, where the one.

[Bun B]

Where's his best friend at?

[Toby]

That was doing all the. All the line. Yeah.

[Bun B]

So they.

[Toby]

They flew me.

[Bun B]

They.

[Toby]

They asked me to come back and do some pickup shots or like add some shots to the scene. So I canceled my whole European. I canceled everything I had going on. I was like, I ain't never been in Transformers. Yeah, yeah, but that's it.

[DJ]

Yeah, make some noise for that dog.

[Host/Interviewer]

You had to break that down. So what was that transition like leaving the football field? Defensive player of the year. Now we tapping into this music. Ray Lewis.

[Toby]

Hey, you know what's crazy? I really felt like I was really fitting to be African Ray Lewis.

[DJ]

Yeah, bro, I really felt like that.

[Toby]

Right?

[Host/Interviewer]

Be careful.

[Toby]

And then it's way worse with Nigerian parents.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

You have no clue when you don't make it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh.

[Toby]

I thought I was gonna be African Ray Lewis. I ain't get picked. I ain't get picked up by nobody in the draft. My mom was like, yeah.

[DJ]

How? How?

[Toby]

When will you stop wasting your life? Oh, my bro. But when. When I was like, they were putting my name in the paper, like, oh, he could be drafted. I'm talking about. My mom was running errands for me.

[DJ]

Me a.

[Toby]

You know, my son is going to de Bruh.

[DJ]

Ain't making.

[Vernon Maxwell]

It was like, when will you go get a job?

[Toby]

I was like, dang, Dang. Cold blood.

[Host/Interviewer]

So yep.

[Toby]

And then when I told her I wanted to start a nonprofit, it was yeah, bro, that's even worse. Honey, you know what we doing, bro? Call my dad down. You know your son loves poverty. Yeah, yeah. I asked him to get a job. He wants to do nothing for profit, bro. It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

So y. So when did you get out that like when was it her son again.

[Toby]

Was depressed for about a year. Had to be. I'm talking about I walk in the house awesome. Like hey daddy, what's going on? Just from like you know, just a long day of just trying to figure out what my purpose was. My dad was just like, yo, you still don't have a job.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I'm like, dang.

[Toby]

Upon arrival. It's crazy. Like ain't say hi. Yeah, yeah, how was your day? None of that. Still don't have a. Yeah, it was crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

No for sure.

[Bun B]

No.

[Toby]

So it lasts for about a year. Then I started my non profit and was just going back to the high school trying to pour into the the students as best as I could with the gifts and little talents that I had. And then I was able to reach out to E.T. the motivational speaker, Eric Thomas. Yep, Eric Thomas. One million percent yeah. And C.J. e right hand man. C he the one who told me to do music.

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[DJ]

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[Toby]

Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We're just here to try to give.

[Toby]

You an NFL perspective a little bit different.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Toby]

What was that?

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh my.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Toby]

And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get.

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[Toby]

And because I was broke and I had no friends with money and them niggas was the only ones that I knew was doing something legit. I was like, all right, cool. And I have no foreknowledge of the industry. How to make no music, how to write no songs, do no videos, none of that stuff. I just applied everything that I learned in football. Come on and win that mvp.

[DJ]

Go, go now. That's kind of crazy, though, not to even think about music for real and then be where you are now.

[Toby]

I'm talking about the most I did with music before. Before I really started doing it. The most I did with music was freestyle in the cafeteria, in the locker room. I didn't came down I didn't came through Come on. But know Come on. Stop playing.

[DJ]

Come on. Classic.

[Toby]

If you from the Ace that's how you start off 95 of your raps.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hold on.

[DJ]

We not from the age how I.

[Bun B]

Go oh, I didn't.

[Toby]

Man, drop the beat. Stop, stop, bro. Stop, bro.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, it started I didn't came down.

[DJ]

I didn't came through Came down I.

[Host/Interviewer]

Done came through my hollow hey, all right.

[Toby]

Stop playing. Come on.

[Host/Interviewer]

No, I just been here a couple years. I left as a younger. I was six months.

[DJ]

For starting to listen, you know what I'm saying? This panel, we. We take pride and take care of our feast. I see what you got on today.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I want.

[Host/Interviewer]

Come on.

[Toby]

Come on on.

[DJ]

You got them shits on today and we a begging podcast. I'm a. I'm a. Yeah, we need that.

[Vernon Maxwell]

For sure.

[DJ]

I want those.

[Toby]

Yeah, yeah, no, I got you. What you.

[Bun B]

You a 12.

[DJ]

Yeah, I'm a 12.

[Host/Interviewer]

Y.

[Bun B]

These you right here.

[DJ]

I hope don't play these.

[Bun B]

You right here?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Vernon Maxwell]

No lie.

[Toby]

Yeah, come on. This ain't being planned either, yo.

[DJ]

Yeah, these wet.

[Toby]

Yeah, come on.

[Host/Interviewer]

100.

[Toby]

That's a 12.

[Bun B]

Straight off my face. Feet.

[DJ]

Yeah, I'mma let you walk out in them, though.

[Toby]

No, no, no, you good. And I can't walk out in yours, cuz. I got a rebound contract.

[Host/Interviewer]

No, we. We respect the Nigerian lineage. Put them shoes. We know. Cool. Walk around barefoot. Hey, let me know.

[DJ]

I ain't going to lie. I want the.

[Host/Interviewer]

But I ain't stingy with.

[DJ]

I'm not stingy.

[Toby]

I give.

[DJ]

Yeah, I need them.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right, come on.

[DJ]

But listen, I'm gonna get them later. But like being said, we don't leave you out here like that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Come on. How many different colorways you got in there?

[Toby]

These ones had two. Two colorways that came out and then we did a colorway for friends, for friends and family. That's. It was fat colorway. But you only got those if locked in. Yeah. Fat food with you.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, okay.

[Toby]

Oh, yeah, we still got a lot of those at the house.

[DJ]

Can you tell wife, like, I know she come to the show today, but like, like, I mean, now, how did.

[Bun B]

That come about, though?

[DJ]

How did you Come out. That collaboration also with M. Clear as well.

[Toby]

It's dang.

[DJ]

Yeah, we locked. Yeah, we tapped in. I want the coat. I want the coat.

[Bun B]

Yeah, it's.

[Host/Interviewer]

It's.

[Toby]

It's really all my. All the things that. That have happened. I'm not gonna lie. The stories really, to me, even when I'm. When I say it, them hoes sound insane. Just because I don't feel like. I don't feel like they inspiring like that. Because it's like, yo, this is random as hell.

[DJ]

Okay.

[Toby]

With the Transformer stuff. They fly you out to promo the stuff now, mind you, I'm not even really supposed to be on a promo tour like that with them. I wasn't really a main character today. Brought me back and started doing the extra scenes. So now I'm on a promo tour, going to Singapore, London.

[Host/Interviewer]

China.

[Toby]

I don't know where else we went, but when we was in London, I'm cool with Daniel Kaluuya. I don't even know how the hell that happened. That's the dude from get out.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Toby]

Come on. And then he hit me up and told me to come through his crib to just holla at him. He had a couple people over there, and I don't be in the UK like that, so. And it ain't a lot of that. I know in the UK like that. So I pulled up, and when I pulled up, it was some random. Just posted in the corner of his crib, like, in the kitchen when I walked through. And I walked through a whole bunch of, like, Pierre Mall stuff. And he was like. The name was G Day. He was like, hey. I was like, yeah. But I feel like, yeah, because he a. And all the stuff that he. That he do is. Is fire. Yeah. I support any who out here doing it, and it's live, so.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Toby]

I'm like, yeah. He was like, oh, snap.

[Vernon Maxwell]

That's.

[Toby]

That's live. He was like, man, I really fool with your stuff. I was like, man, appreciate it. He was like, yeah, you want to do something with Reebok? I said like that, Yeah, I do. I want to do something with Reebok. He said, all right, cool. I'm gonna reach out to him. They probably would love to work with you. I'm Hit you back in like a week or something. Put your number in my phone. And I was like, this must be what just happened in the UK or Hollywood or something. I said this lying.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

And in a week and a half, they called me and was like, yo, we would love to work with you. And that's how it happened.

[Bun B]

That's it.

[DJ]

You know what's crazy?

[Toby]

Come on.

[DJ]

I like Reeboks.

[Vernon Maxwell]

You lie.

[Host/Interviewer]

For you.

[DJ]

I take these Jordans off right now.

[Bun B]

Come on, come on.

[DJ]

I've been for sale, everybody, if y' all watch the pile. I wore Skechers one day.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've been.

[Toby]

Oh, y.

[DJ]

Lying N Ministry.

[Host/Interviewer]

You ain't wearing no scratchers. Quit telling a weak ass story.

[DJ]

Why the you always doing that?

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, whoa, hold on.

[DJ]

Who said they go on team time schedules in a going team in the Reebok. Boy, you authentic, man.

[Vernon Maxwell]

For real.

[DJ]

You going crazy. Hold on, I'm going ask you this. Have you heard the tea time?

[Toby]

No, what's that?

[DJ]

Oh, don't worry about it then. Don't worry about it.

[Bun B]

What? That.

[Vernon Maxwell]

But I.

[Host/Interviewer]

But I.

[Toby]

But look, while people be sleeping on sketches, I went to the. To the, like, the footwear awards, which was crazy. But look, everybody was trying to clown sketches. When they win, they, like, environmental award. But I looked up their numbers. Ah, them boys getting to it.

[DJ]

Oh, no, no, no. I wasn't clowning. I was ready.

[Host/Interviewer]

They say they didn't call because he cussed too much.

[Toby]

You said what?

[Host/Interviewer]

They didn't want him because he cussed too much.

[DJ]

That's what they said.

[Toby]

I can see that.

[DJ]

They said my language is a little.

[Toby]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah.

[DJ]

I was like, damn, how can I.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Go Global.

[Host/Interviewer]

Tea time started one day.

[DJ]

Hold on. He didn't ask about that.

[Toby]

Come on.

[Host/Interviewer]

Come on. Toby. Toby. Family now.

[Toby]

Come on, bro.

[Host/Interviewer]

So hold on. You shook his hand 10 times. So it was a group. It was a group of studs on Twitch. And they all just had on. Hold on.

[Bun B]

They.

[Host/Interviewer]

They right there. They Jersey hold. Hold on. They had on the jerseys with the switches. No draws. Switches under the jersey.

[DJ]

The switches switched up.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hold on.

[DJ]

That ain't what happened.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dang.

[DJ]

Hold on.

[Host/Interviewer]

They was.

[DJ]

Somebody said they was wearing my jersey.

[Host/Interviewer]

Kevin.

[Vernon Maxwell]

All of them.

[DJ]

No, no, no.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I don't know.

[DJ]

We do a little streaming. Shout out to my nephew. Mouth.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[DJ]

Freaking mouth. Do a little streaming.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

Okay.

[DJ]

Freaky Mouth. Y' all know Freaky Mouth.

[Vernon Maxwell]

There you go. Freaky.

[DJ]

So Freaky Mouth was doing a little streaming and some dude wrote on there and said, I got a teen jersey on with no draws. No, don't laugh, don't laugh.

[Host/Interviewer]

And it went viral. And it started love.

[DJ]

Who you love.

[Toby]

Yeah.

[DJ]

It started epidemic. So I said, damn. That's what I said. And that fool over there said, nah, it's Kevin.

[Host/Interviewer]

It was love. Who you love we on the script. That's what it said.

[DJ]

They didn't going crazy. That's why they start this mess. And they talking about we having a tiger ling Halloween.

[Host/Interviewer]

For sure they buying that jersey. And I was like, that's cool.

[DJ]

As long as I can wear a reef box. Come on, come on, come on. Nah, hell no.

[Toby]

Butt with the teague jersey and the reeds is crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, we like that.

[DJ]

Hey, that's a players, right?

[Host/Interviewer]

How. How long have you, like, has fashion always been a part of you, though? Your whole life or.

[Toby]

N. I was tacky for the first half of my life. I ain't going to lie.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

A had to pull me to the side and say, hey, that ain't it. Big dog. Yeah, you got.

[DJ]

I love him.

[Host/Interviewer]

N. For real. Some real. Yeah.

[Toby]

Was like, you really got. You really got the juice, but the way you represent yourself. Yeah, that ain't it, boy. You got to like.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

Put it together.

[Host/Interviewer]

Do you remember what outfit you had on when that probably had not.

[Toby]

Listen, listen.

[Bun B]

I do. Don't laugh yet.

[Toby]

I got you. Listen.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Toby]

Probably had on one of them Alicia Keys fedoras.

[DJ]

The. I won't tell you now.

[Bun B]

I usually look like this outside my work clothes.

[Toby]

Come on, stop playing with me.

[Host/Interviewer]

Stop playing with me, bro. Yeah, yeah.

[DJ]

And then, you know, boys was in.

[Bun B]

Yeah, the fitted. The fitted. The fitted shirts.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hey, you horny mother. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. Yeah, y' all relax. The. The. The.

[Toby]

The horn dogness just went crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

It went crazy.

[DJ]

But just run on here.

[Host/Interviewer]

I just need some water, baby.

[DJ]

That's it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Don't run this water. It's nasty. I think so.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Excited.

[Toby]

Ah, thanks. She said she was so excited to serve fat.

[Host/Interviewer]

We love you.

[DJ]

Shout out to the family.

[Toby]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out to. Yep.

[DJ]

Hey, I love him. I ain't gonna lie.

[Toby]

That would have been like, yeah, that's nice.

[DJ]

My fat would have been like, yeah, but that's crazy fast forward, you know what I'm saying? Your homie put you on game to where basically you got your own color pastel and like, that's the standard now. How's that? Like where everybody know that color is your color.

[Toby]

Incredible now. And it really just. It really kind of happened because like before the pandemic, A was just low key. If you go through like some of my older visuals, A was just like testing colors out as I was doing it. And I was just trying to stay in the little monochromatic theme. And I was just trying to figure out the best way to just Present the stuff the way I wanted to. And when the pandemic hit. Oh, right before the pandemic hit, we did a vi. A video at Museum of Fine Arts, the Rienzi location.

[Bun B]

Yep.

[Toby]

They ain't gonna really let in like that. Yep. That's why ain't nobody clapped like that. Cuz we was late too. Yeah, yeah, they like, okay. I ain't never been there. I. I hadn't been there either. But once I did a couple songs, then them wanted to let me. They hold on. Unless somebody here from the museum. I'mma tell my truth. Yeah, they ain't really want to let.

[Bun B]

Me in like that.

[Toby]

Then when I. Then I did a song with a couple famous people, then they wanted to let me in. So when they let us in to do a video there they had a room that was all mint. And I was like, this is when me and fat was still in the apartment. I was like, fat. When we get a crib, I'm gonna do one room. This whole color just.

[Host/Interviewer]

Cause this.

[Toby]

This whole make me feel like. Like fresh. And then we got a crib right when the pandemic hit and we couldn't go outside. And I just started running all the videos through that crib and bought mint clothes and then just wanted to make everything look a certain type of way. That's how it all happened.

[Host/Interviewer]

For real.

[Toby]

They could be like, hey, what's the meaning behind that color? I'm like, yeah, I just liked it. That's it. Thank you so much.

[DJ]

Nah, it's definitely fire. Like for real.

[Toby]

Appreciate you.

[DJ]

That's why them come up with me. Yeah, I tried to take them on. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm a fan of basketball. Go ahead. What'd you say? Something crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

He said the crybaby.

[DJ]

The crybaby is.

[Host/Interviewer]

Wow.

[DJ]

So if you don't know, D.J.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Was.

[Toby]

No, I know that one. I know that one.

[DJ]

He was a break dancer.

[Toby]

Oh no, I didn't know that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[DJ]

He used to put the cardboard down and get crazy. So ever since we discovered that.

[Host/Interviewer]

He was. When the young blood drop, you don't give a damn.

[DJ]

No, let me stop. Hey, y got DJ up. Hold on, hold up.

[Host/Interviewer]

Was that.

[DJ]

But anyway, I forgot the. I was going to say cuz of your ass, but damn.

[Host/Interviewer]

You think I'm a cheap. H wa say make it a 20 next time.

[DJ]

No, but I wanted to say. It's funny as.

[Host/Interviewer]

But what I want to say.

[DJ]

I seen you work with my guy. I'm a Steph Curry fan. I got drafted the same year as Steph Curry. I seen you. Y' all got a video together. Firestone, Briar, Visuals. Like, what was that liking? What was that like working with Steph Curry being a part of that? Him being part of your video? What was that like?

[Toby]

People don't understand about Step. Step only do a few things, but the few things that he do, he do all. He. The way he do basketball is the way he do all them things. So, look, so when he had to do the rap for the video that we did, when we got to set, he was like, yeah, bro, I done went over my part, like, a hundred times. I said, but he approached all his stuff the exact same. And whatever he not into, he don't even try to act like he into it. Yeah, that's what I love. When I was.

[Bun B]

When they.

[Toby]

When we had. When they had autumn outfits and stuff for him to choose, he was just like. And which one you feel like it's gonna be the best in the video? I was like, oh, no, it's on you. He said, no, no, no, no. It's really on you, because I. I don't care. And I was like, oh, my. You Steph Curry?

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Toby]

He like, yeah, I don't care, bro. Yeah, whatever you want. How. And I just couldn't believe that was that regular. And it's like, yeah.

[Bun B]

And he just.

[Toby]

He real cool people. Now. He ain't no.

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't know.

[Toby]

You understand what I'm saying? But he don't, like, try to be. You know what I'm saying? You know how most people, if they ain't street, they're like, try to act tough or try to act. Nah, he don't even do none of that. It's like, he a real, like, nice guy.

[DJ]

That's a fact. I was, like, a great guy. I'll tell you a story about Steph Curry.

[Toby]

Come on.

[DJ]

I. Steph Curry was one of my friends. We was all American. All Americans together when I was in college.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah.

[DJ]

And I. At 19 years old, Jeff T. Yeah. I was like, burn. And he wasn't like that. He told me straight up, I got a girlfriend. And I said, we going to the club. It's me and James Harden. Shout out to JH I said, me and James Harden, we was ready to go to the club, and we were going to the club, and we were going to. We were clubbing.

[Toby]

Come on.

[DJ]

And he said, said, nah, T, I got a girl, and I don't want to go. I said, what the.

[Host/Interviewer]

Cuz y' all.

[DJ]

Think he Was the most famous out.

[Host/Interviewer]

Of all of them. Come on.

[DJ]

It was Blake Griffin. It was him, Blake Griffin. Then it was James Harden, and I was with the rest of us. You know what I mean?

[Toby]

Come on.

[DJ]

And he was like, nah, I'm cool, man. I like my girl. And I said, yeah. He don't know how this about to.

[Host/Interviewer]

Go.

[DJ]

But the see them still together doing that, man. I said, boy, you a solid man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Come on, bro.

[DJ]

I wasn't.

[Vernon Maxwell]

You know.

[Toby]

You know who else like that?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Who?

[Toby]

Calvin Johnson.

[DJ]

Damn.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Toby]

Let Megatron, bro.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I did.

[Toby]

I did the shop with Calvin Johnson.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

And when he was talking, I was like, bruh, he ain't have no super struggle story or nothing. And I was like, like, see, this is what need to hear.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Toby]

He was like, yeah, My mom work hard. My dad work hard. I made good decisions.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

I was like, yep. I need all my sons to watch you.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Toby]

Because people like the hood gonna look at my man like, ah. I think that's kind of. That was at the camp saying, listen, bruh, talking to his. Talking to all the kids at this camp, he was like, hey, listen, six, six ran four, four, four, three. I'm an anomaly. The majority. Y' all ain't gonna never be able to do what I'm doing. Read your books. Damn.

[Vernon Maxwell]

No, for real, bro.

[Host/Interviewer]

But Ricky Williams there. What's.

[Toby]

Buddy that went to Michigan, that was up for the Heisman. Wide receiver.

[DJ]

Charles Wilson, Braylon Edwards, Braylon all the time.

[Toby]

Tory Ho. Everybody there, he like, hey, listen, read your books. You probably not gonna be like us. I said, see, that's what. That's what I. I didn't need to hear because I really thought I was gonna make it. But a lot of on my team.

[Bun B]

On my team didn't need to hear that.

[DJ]

Yeah. I probably need to hear that. Yeah.

[Bun B]

But he.

[Toby]

He one of those dudes who got just. Just a. A solid dude, make good decisions, and I feel like that's what we need a lot more of.

[DJ]

I want to ask, what's that feeling like when you get that Grammy nod, man? Yeah, make some noise.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yep.

[Toby]

I felt like that was fake, too.

[Vernon Maxwell]

I thought they was like, I ain't gonna lie.

[Toby]

I felt like they were lying about that too. And even though I tried my hardest with all the stuff that I do, when they said that, because you gotta understand, I'm not with no label. I ain't do no, like, lobbying for it or nothing like that. So when they told me I got nominated for Best New Artist, I was just like, dang, yeah. They should have never let me be this successful by myself, bro. Yeah. And then I'm with. With my. With my people, and I did it the way that I wanted to.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Toby]

So now I just really feel like.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yep.

[Toby]

A lot of people can't tell me nothing about nothing that I'm doing, bro. I feel like I live in immaculate life. I'm not lying.

[Host/Interviewer]

You. That's my own lane, bro.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Toby]

Thank you, family, for sure.

[Host/Interviewer]

You in your own way.

[DJ]

Come on, bro.

[Host/Interviewer]

Now, I want to ask you this, though.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

I know you doing Dolo.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Cool.

[Bun B]

Come on.

[Toby]

Don't say nothing crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm not, I'm not. I got you. But I'm saying, like, do you ever think it's anything, or do you think you would ever join the label? Or is that just not this the thing, bro?

[Toby]

Because I'm independent. Be thinking I'm, like, against being with a label, and I'm not. People be asking me, should I. Should I be with a lady? Should they be with a label? And I'm like, yeah, you probably should. Because if you try to do what I'm doing the way I'm doing it, the majority of people would die. It take a whole lot. I did. I, like, really, bro. I direct all the direction, the writing, the producing, the clothes, the.

[DJ]

It's a lot.

[Toby]

The majority of people who do music.

[Bun B]

Don'T really do that exactly. They got.

[Vernon Maxwell]

They.

[Bun B]

They got their.

[Toby]

Their specific talent is making the music, but outside of making the music they need, they got a team of people that could come in. And I would have had a team, too, if I had some money.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nah, for sure.

[Toby]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

But I had no money, so I.

[Toby]

Had to tap into all my gifts.

[Host/Interviewer]

But I just wanted to ask. I don't mean to cut you off, but I know a lot of people just always just want to go the independent route because they don't want to share no money or they don't understand the logistics behind what it cost to be in Brian.

[Vernon Maxwell]

It.

[Toby]

Let me tell you something. After I spent all the money that I spent making them last videos. Yeah, bro. I was like, what they offering you?

[DJ]

Like, us?

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah, I promise.

[Toby]

No, it's cool, it's cool. It's cool.

[Host/Interviewer]

I just be wanting people to give. Like, when they come on our platform, I'll be wanting them to give, like, real game.

[Toby]

Because if. If it made sense for me and what they was offering could cover something that I. It was resources, and it could help with what it is that I'm doing. I would partner with a label and do something. I'm not coming in like somebody who hasn't built nothing, who just has a talent and stuff like that. So I know I have leverage in my situation and my situation ain't gonna be like everybody else situation. Absolutely. But I wouldn't necessarily do it like.

[Host/Interviewer]

That.

[Toby]

Early on in my career because I'm a real practical person. It just ain't make sense doing. But yeah, yeah, it just depends on. It depends on what kind of goals you got. Like my goals have always been to go be global.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Toby]

So I, I've amassed a certain amount of whatever it is that I was trying to do in the States. But yeah, I'm trying to go. Yeah, yeah. I didn't seen a lot for sure.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[DJ]

Fact. That's a fact.

[Bun B]

For sure.

[DJ]

Listen man, we appreciate you man. Before you get out of here, tell the people what you got coming next, what they can look forward to.

[Toby]

I got another project coming out sometime at the top of next year, but even bigger than my project, my wife about to do a solo project.

[DJ]

Nice.

[Toby]

Yeah, that's crazy. Cause ain't nobody clapped when I said I got something. That's crazy.

[DJ]

You know, the real love. You know what a lot.

[Toby]

But that's gonna go crazy.

[Bun B]

And then.

[Host/Interviewer]

Man.

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[DJ]

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[Toby]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Toby]

What was that?

[Host/Interviewer]

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[Toby]

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[Toby]

I. I did it. I did what I just did because I'm really like, this is wild. So it ain't came out yet. When is this gonna release? Y' all putting this out right now. It don't matter.

[DJ]

Maybe, but can we be in your next video.

[Bun B]

100.

[DJ]

Listen.

[Bun B]

I just.

[Toby]

I'm wearing a mint mink. Come on, it's going down.

[DJ]

Talking about.

[Toby]

I just partnered with Monclair. Yes. And did my first. No, did my first.

[Bun B]

Thank you.

[DJ]

Thank you. I did my.

[Toby]

I did my first ever visual with Al Pacino and Robert Dairo.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Damn. No, you on.

[DJ]

I promise you, bro.

[Host/Interviewer]

You doing a bunch of big.

[Toby]

Come on, bro.

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't mean to cut face now. Come on, bro.

[DJ]

That's crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

Come on.

[DJ]

Come on, baby. That's a fact.

[Host/Interviewer]

It's crazy, bro.

[Toby]

I was up there, like, it's crazy now.

[DJ]

They old, older, shaking, so you better get away. You can.

[Host/Interviewer]

Away, bro.

[Toby]

Listen, this might be their last time.

[Bun B]

On film together.

[Toby]

For sure, bruh. Top of the line and they cool down to earth, everything. But it's about like. Yeah, that it's coming out like when. When it's supposed to release, huh? Yep. My team ain't even there.

[DJ]

Yeah, it's all right.

[Bun B]

That's crazy.

[DJ]

Top of the morning.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, it's coming out.

[Bun B]

Yeah.

[Toby]

Coming soon. But, yeah, that's something I just did with my clear. That's coming out towards the end of this year. And then we got some more stuff happening with Reebok. We just renewed our contract. Two more pair of shoes and I ain't never been in the league or nothing.

[DJ]

Yeah, yeah. Make some noise to Toby.

[Host/Interviewer]

For sure. We definitely appreciate you, bro.

[DJ]

We appreciate you, man. Man, make some noise for DJ Pimp C and B. Swift going crazy making the vibes right. Right now, man, for sure. Our last and our final guest. It's only right, man. We in Houston, Texas. It's only right. We got the man to help put this city on the map. The legend, the OG, philanthropist, rapper, entertainer, the one and only Mr. Bun B. Bring My Dog to the stage for show.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes, sir.

[DJ]

Yes, sir. We got a legend in the building. Big Dog. We appreciate you joining us on here.

[Bun B]

Packed in this hoe. I just been on the side, just kind of chilling, so I ain't really seeing. Y' all been quiet in the. To have this many people in here.

[DJ]

Oh, it's quiet.

[Bun B]

I mean, they laugh when they crack. I. I ain't know this hoe was full. I didn't know y'. All. Oh, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

We gotta pack this out today. Shout out to H town, baby.

[DJ]

Shout out to htown.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, I like it.

[Bun B]

I appreciate y' all pulling up for the folks, man. I appreciate that. Don't embarrass me in front of my company.

[DJ]

You know what I'm saying? This is second hometown. What, you left at six months?

[Host/Interviewer]

I left at six months, came back at nine, left at 12 months, and then I came back at 27.

[Bun B]

You just keep leaving.

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm in and out, yo.

[Bun B]

Yeah, respect oh, welcome back.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nah, for sure, man. We appreciate you for pulling up on us, man. It's all good.

[Bun B]

I wasn't doing nothing.

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm just.

[Bun B]

I'll just be at the house. I did my burger for the day, so I ain't doing.

[DJ]

Nah, we. We had some burgers in the back.

[Host/Interviewer]

I ain't gonna lie.

[DJ]

The slapping. Now, I had a burger with no onion. Yeah, I smack that.

[Bun B]

That's what I'm talking about.

[DJ]

Now, we had to address his request from you, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, he put in his order, but it was a little too crazy, you know what I'm saying? We had to make sure that was a little. Not too flagrant for your liking, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Interviewer]

The.

[DJ]

The butter.

[Host/Interviewer]

The bun.

[DJ]

I just.

[Host/Interviewer]

I just. I just like butter buns on the burger.

[Bun B]

That's go with that, wouldn't it?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yo. Hey, yo. See the post?

[Bun B]

No, cuz. Cuz I seen the little clip where he's like, yo, I just want to make sure my buns is his butter.

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm like, man, what kind of dude they put bu. Don't do me like that. You know when you put that. Don't do me like that. You know when you put that. When you put that butter down and slap that bun down for 10 seconds and pull him off.

[Bun B]

It's just the way you phrase him.

[Host/Interviewer]

I got you, which what I'm supposed to say.

[Bun B]

You talk for a living. You should have known a better way.

[Host/Interviewer]

Get that bread. Yeah, yeah, but real respect.

[DJ]

You know what's crazy? OG that he's a cater, you know what I'm saying? My boy really get like that in the kitchen. So he should have known the terminology. That was the problem.

[Bun B]

You know, we don't be buttering no bun.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's my town. No, for sure, man.

[Bun B]

We.

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't want to jump too far ahead. We're gonna get into it. But, like, I do want to ask, like, how was that jumping into this, like, food industry?

[Bun B]

It was. It was wild at the beginning because. Because a lot of people thought this was, like, my burger that I created, but it was. A friend of mine approached me. He was like, man, I got this burger I'm trying to do. I can't do it in LA because Smash Burger's already jumping in la, so I want to try to catch it in Texas. So I was like, yeah, whatever. So I pulled up, I tried the burger. The burger had, like, caramelized onions and pickles, and I don't eat that shit. So But I ate it to see if it was good, and shit was actually really, really good. And I remember coming home to my wife, I like, hey, I just tried this burger. It's the best burger in the world. She's like, what's on it? I'm like, meat, cheese, onions, pickles. She said, you ain't eat that. You don't even eat that. You hate onions. How you gonna tell me that's. She said, wait a minute. Just onions and pickles? I said, yeah. Ain't no lettuce, ain't no tomatoes. She's like, what kind of burger is that? What the is that? I'm like, you don't have to try it. And then after she tried it, she understood what was going on, and then she got behind it, and we just been mashing. And I thank everybody in the city for really jumping behind this burger for me. You know what I'm saying?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Cause y' all pulled up to. Up at a spot, shout out to my boy Jay All Stars Bar and Grill in Indianapolis. Y' all had him slapping out there All Star Weekend. Yo, that was crazy.

[Bun B]

That was crazy because they. Literally. The reason we had to go to his bar was because they banned everybody in the city. So typically, when all All Stars and Super Bowls come to the city, they have a certain area downtown where everybody go and come down and, you know, enjoy all the festivities. And. And around that area, you're not allowed to sell food outside.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Bun B]

A lot of cities, they make it, like a clean zone so people don't leave trash on the street and like that. So we paid a bunch of money, you know, we had paid for the rice to put the All Star logo on the. On the food truck and all of that. And then as soon as we set up, they're like, yeah, y' all can't sell food here. So we kept trying to figure out somewhere. And then that boy, he was like, hey, y' all come cooking my. So we went cooked at his. The city came out. It was dope.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, that's my old head, man.

[Vernon Maxwell]

He.

[Host/Interviewer]

He got peoples in the city for sure.

[Bun B]

I'm probably his old head. I'm everybody at this point.

[DJ]

Now, for sure. Listen, man, one thing on this tour we wanted to do is bring Nap Town to us. I mean, excuse me to y', all, but, you know, you got a lot of ties in that town. You done been there a couple times. They show you a lot of love. What's your experience been like in the city?

[Bun B]

I. I used to go out there and rock with Stack. So you know it, it used to be wild trying to calm Stack five down because Indianapolis didn't really have a lot to do so they kept going to this.

[DJ]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on OG I wish I'm talking about.

[Bun B]

For a stack 5.

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't mean in general cuz I've.

[Bun B]

Been going, going, I'm going getting money in Indianapolis for 30 years. But what I'm saying is for a.

[DJ]

Young stack five, okay, they didn't have.

[Bun B]

Enough to hold him. So you know, it's not a lot of. It's not a lot of light life available to black people. So he going to the same club every weekend all the time.

[DJ]

That's a fact.

[Bun B]

And then shout out to Kosher shout.

[Host/Interviewer]

Out to Cloud nine, shout out to Sunset. Hell yeah fan your fan.

[DJ]

Somebody know where we be going.

[Bun B]

I got the lights coming on, I.

[DJ]

Can'T see you no, don't worry about them.

[Bun B]

And I'm old as so don't turn.

[DJ]

The lights on Sunset. We're gonna keep that, we'll keep that deal.

[Bun B]

But then Stack used to always, you know, act like Stack. So eventually he ended up getting into it with somebody out there that was always a thing because the nap ain't no joke. Like I've been in Indianapolis a lot and do not play and y' all it always be the same same every time I go it be the same one club a new new just bought it and tried to put money into it and then they come and they his club up and t shit up. And then shout out to my uncle.

[Host/Interviewer]

Derek, shout out to Cloud, shout out to 38 how they do it is it's the same club. We just remixed the name Y it's a dope ass club like it's a big ass club like y' all staged.

[Bun B]

By biggest this state, that's a fact. And the venue bigger than this.

[Host/Interviewer]

It's a big nice ass club and.

[Bun B]

Y' all just don't get tired of tearing that up. Y just inside the parking lot everything.

[Host/Interviewer]

For sure we been to a couple. You know what's funny about this? Cuz the host of the club is right there.

[DJ]

Reason he's literally at every retweet like you a have to bring your vest here. Now listen, I want to ask you obviously this show, we love shoes too much and you are the man when it comes to footwear sneakers obviously you know what you got on right now. I wanted to ask you what was that first moment like where you were able to design your own sneaker that came through Jordan.

[Bun B]

Jordan Brand and my guy, Reggie Saunders. When they reached out, we had All Star that year. And I had been rocking with Chris Paul for a long time. Me and him was real cool. And they asked me if I wanted to design his practice shoe. And I was like, yeah, let's do it. So they flew me out to la, to the house, and I went sat down with Chris. I went through his. His closet and they showed me everything that they make for this dude. Like most people don't know. Every time. Every time Chris Paul went to a different team, they made him like a Jordan 3 and a Jordan 11 in his colorway. When they didn't know what team he was going to, they did like four colorways for every team they thought was gonna take it. So I went in his closet and he had all these goddamn shoes. That devil came out. He was like, what size you? I'm like, I'm ten and a half. He's like, damn, I'm a twelve. I was like, that's what I meant. My bad. My tongue be tripping sometimes. But we sat down, we designed the shoe, and I remember they ceded it to a lot of different people that weekend. And Kevin Hart actually wore the shoe.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Shoe.

[Bun B]

And the celebrity All Star and one MVP in my shoe.

[DJ]

That's fire.

[Bun B]

That was different. You know, you gotta understand, like, you look at 20, 25, and I'm glad you brought up sneakers, because I don't know any other city that has more people with their own sneaker. That's not athletes. Like Megan had Nikes. Travis been dropping Jordans and Nikes for several years. Toby got his Reebok. My guy Les, he's a rapper from here.

[DJ]

Ellie Dollar Baby.

[Bun B]

Yeah, he got his Adidas dropping. He just showed his friends and family shoe. I made Jordans like we, we. You know, Houston makes some noise out here, like, for real.

[Host/Interviewer]

Shout out to Horse Paul Closet Paul's.

[DJ]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Get on his ass. Y' all got one more time. Whoa. Y' all got one more time. I ain't going to put that spin on my boy.

[DJ]

Shout out to my dog Chris.

[Bun B]

I don't want this to be what I'm remember for.

[DJ]

I just want to look at the shoes like you. I just want to look at the shoes and shout out to him. He had. Obviously he with Jordan Brand. He got every Jordan you could think of and colorways that we could never imagine. But I don't like how DJ delivered that. That was crazy. That sound crazy.

[Bun B]

We walking a Thin line up here right now.

[DJ]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's not about me. We got a legend here. Get the off that. My fault, My fault.

[Bun B]

You know, this is the first time I've been in here and it don't smell like weed. I'm saying up here, I don't know who's smoking out there.

[Toby]

You ain't smoke with me.

[Host/Interviewer]

Don't get loud now. Yeah, that shit, man. Real quiet in here.

[DJ]

They said that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Y got that Indiana weed. Somebody passed Vernon the joint early in.

[DJ]

The show, and we have not seen him since, so maybe it is good. Oh, Ver that passed out. Is Cam still alive?

[Bun B]

We get everybody clean up here. Everybody on. On probation or some out here.

[DJ]

Listen, this going down in Indiana. Shout out to Mark Sanchez.

[Host/Interviewer]

Fired up with your b ass. Fire that up. Yeah, you talking that.

[Bun B]

Show me something.

[Host/Interviewer]

You're on the spot. Tap in. There you go.

[DJ]

For sure. I want to ask you, what's the difference that you've seen in the city? Obviously, you helped build this city. What's it like now, driving through the city in the episode Revolution of the City.

[Bun B]

It's paper. Like, that's the thing. I see so much money coming into Houston. I see so much money being made in the city. And as an artist, this is the best opportunity ever that any artist has ever had to make money in this game. Because you used to have to go through, like a record store. You used to have to be signed to a record company. You used to have to play on the radio, and people have to go in and buy your whole album. Now people can buy. You can get famous off one song. You don't even have to drop an album. You can make one record, make a couple million dollars and go sit home somewhere chilling. Put them make money off of what they do. Because it used to be hard as. So I love seeing that. And everybody around here riding good. Everybody got, you know, big houses and, you know, your money go a long way in Houston if you do it right. And I mean, we just. I mean, we really eating right now. It's really crazy. The producers, the rappers, us, everybody, they understand the business because that's what we really wanted people to understand, the business of the game, like making music. Oh, that's the easy part. Most people can make a decent song, but figuring out how to make money off that is the real thing. Because the game is set up for everybody to make money off of it but you. So you got to decide whether you want to be famous or be rich, because sometimes you can't be both.

[DJ]

That's the fact.

[Host/Interviewer]

What was that marketing tool that you used, though, when you started with your music? Like, I know it's way different. Like, you can just go viral, like you said off one song. What strategies did y' all use to get your music to the streets or even to a bigger platform?

[Bun B]

Being in the streets, like being outside where everybody be at, you know what I'm saying? Going to the club, putting flies on the car, you know, passing out snippets and asking people to buy your regular. We had to go hand in hand to get this early because we ain't know nobody in New York, we ain't know nobody in Los Angeles. If you couldn't get the J Prince and get a deal with Rapalai, you was out here trying to get it, you know what I'm saying? But because of that, everybody had to understand the business to make the money. So when New York and LA found out that we was jamming and wanted to sign deals, most of us wouldn't even sign because they was. They wouldn't offer no real money. They'd be like, well, we'll give you $2 million. The like, seven be like, we just made $2 million really doing from it. So that's why a lot of us chose to stay independent. But when we did, we didn't go in as artists, we went in as companies. So instead of just giving me a record deal, now we got to do a joint venture or something because I'm bringing money to the table. The reality is most. Most people went to a record company because they didn't have enough money to do it. They sell. I'm one of them, you know what I'm saying? We did it independent, but we wanted a bigger. A bigger portion of an exposure, so we ended up signing with a label. But nowadays you don't have to sign with no body. If you got some power, you got a little paper. And you don't need a lot of paper, really. You buy a laptop that got a little mini studio in it. I tell people you go online on YouTube giving beats away.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

Just to be on somebody's album because they know that'll bring more paper. So you really ain't got no excuse to not put your music out. But it's gonna be on you whether or not you make money off your music. Nice.

[Host/Interviewer]

For sure.

[DJ]

Can I ask you? Because it's like, do you still. I know you a legend. Like, you a real life, the most legendary person we had on the pod. But it's Like y' all had Max.

[Host/Interviewer]

You have Mad Max here. He probably got that wave cap on. Where my at?

[DJ]

He said he was outside tonight. So I'm gonna call Max when we live here. But as an artist, he probably the most legendary artist we had on the show. Make some noise, God damn it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Damn.

[DJ]

Yeah, make some noise. Barbie, when I'm talking, your ass gonna walk out here. God damn.

[Host/Interviewer]

Respect.

[DJ]

Yeah, respect. Shout out to Barbie. But I'm saying like you, you a legend and we obviously, we respect you and we love you, whatever. And that's all good. But I'm saying like, how is it? Is that like being a superstar legend when it comes to that experience being in Houston, Like, I don't know how that feel. And I'm trying to see how I feel for you like to come out here. Obviously the fans love you or whatever, but it's like, how is that?

[Bun B]

It's different in Houston. I go everywhere and I see how cities treat their artists.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

And it's really, it tripped me out.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because.

[Bun B]

Once you like get 10, 15 years in the game, they really don't with you like that in these other cities. But in Houston, they give us love every time we show up, you know what I'm saying? Every time we pull up and we don't, I don't think we have that. Other people do. Because most people see me in the city, okay? Like you catch me in Heb, you might catch me in the Galleria, you know what I'm saying? Catch me at Costco or some. I'd be outside amongst the people. Ain't nobody trying to hurt me in Houston, I'm everybody uncle for the most part.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Okay.

[Bun B]

You know what I'm saying? And that's how it is, Pop, you know, Slim is your cousin, Powwow, your white homeboy from school, you know. But we don't have that separation from people, you know what I'm saying? Because Houston, somebody gonna bump into. You can't hide from people here. In a big ass city like New York, maybe you can get around it. People don't really see you, maybe la, Atlanta, whatever. But in Houston, Houston, somebody gonna see pumping gas or something like that. And it don't make no sense for you to act like you all that. Cause the might just pull up on, he'd be like, hey, what's up B? Then I try to high sign on and they be like, oh ho ass.

[Host/Interviewer]

I bought your burger type like Houston.

[Bun B]

Houston, a real, a real city. And I love the fact that I don't have to walk around with 4, 5, so people can't come up to me because everybody want to show love. That's all they want to do is show love. Now I smell the weed.

[Host/Interviewer]

There we go.

[Bun B]

Job well done.

[DJ]

That smell like K2. But anyway, that sm some gas. This K2, y'.

[Vernon Maxwell]

All.

[DJ]

Oh, respect, Respect. God damn.

[Host/Interviewer]

I said I was with bu. Pull up all we got.

[DJ]

Well, he.

[Host/Interviewer]

He tripped out about Indianapolis. Trip out for Houston up. Why y' all always putting me in, y'?

[Bun B]

All.

[Host/Interviewer]

I be trying to be up here, be cool.

[DJ]

So I want to ask you this question. I know for us in Indianapolis, there was a. A time where like Houston music really, really took over the city. Our DJ specialized school, stuff like that as well. I want to say like that 02 to like 06.07 era where y' all had. Every artist in the city was mainstream, going crazy. Obviously you and Pimp already going crazy. You had Slim Thug Pow Wild Chameleon there. What was that era like in the city? Obviously it's still popping and thriving. But it seemed at that moment everything just clicked.

[Bun B]

We wanted to have fun. We was the. That looked like they was having fun at that time.

[Host/Interviewer]

Time.

[Bun B]

Some look like they was acting hard, like they had a bunch of money, like they was tough, they got a bunch of hoe. We looked like we was having fun.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

Using these big ass Cadillacs, riding around with them big ass Styrofoam cups, you know what I'm saying? Smoking them. Switch to sweets, you know what I'm saying? Riding around the city chopping screw popping trump, you know what I'm saying? And we look like we was having a good time. And in 2025, this way everybody, ever since then, this way, everybody want to be. Be everything that's popular in music come from Houston one way or another, you know what I'm saying? This way everybody want to come and have a good time because we doing us. We not trying to act like nobody else. We got the baddest for sure.

[Toby]

Hold on.

[Host/Interviewer]

You know what I'm saying?

[Bun B]

That's the show.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's the show y' all wouldn't be coming from. Y' all wouldn't be coming from Miami.

[Bun B]

To go to camp in the dark.

[Host/Interviewer]

And all I want to hear that y' all coming from all over the country. Y' all renting cars and y' all was just in them all that purple. I couldn't even go get no purple for this show cuz y' all was in the mall getting the purple, looking for the purple. We love purple.

[DJ]

The game, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Interviewer]

But we not.

[Toby]

But we got.

[Bun B]

We got some real in. I'm here. You know, that's not trying to hate on nobody. Let you get your action. If you got motion, do what you gonna do. You know what I'm saying? We going to all turn up together.

[DJ]

I ain't going to lie. Y' all lit. I'm all crazy. This is my guy, Purple. Shout out to the Purple. Oh, this the sweatsuit. I ain't paper good. I ain't going to lie.

[Host/Interviewer]

Y know, see, we looking out for.

[Bun B]

You, cutting for you. Putting some clothes on your back.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

Good food in your stomach.

[DJ]

Hey, in the world. Burger in the back, free sweatsuit.

[Bun B]

Lord.

[DJ]

Hey, I ain't going lie.

[Host/Interviewer]

I like you. S. The world got a taste of what we do here.

[Bun B]

They can't stop. They cannot say. Even through coping. Like, I'm leaving here, it's too strict. I'm going to Houston. They all pocket.

[DJ]

That's out of pocket.

[Host/Interviewer]

No, I was out here. It hasn't stopped.

[DJ]

Hey, OG that ain't good.

[Host/Interviewer]

I want to ask you, though.

[DJ]

I know ain't stop, but that ain't good out here. Sick as hell.

[Host/Interviewer]

You.

[DJ]

Y like, stop.

[Host/Interviewer]

We good.

[Bun B]

They passing hookah to each other.

[DJ]

Sing.

[Bun B]

Everybody at the table got cold.

[Host/Interviewer]

I want to ask for. I was in Atlanta. That would stop either. I wasn't. Oh, Atlanta was lit.

[DJ]

My house was lit. He got. Look, let me talk. No, no, n. Go ahead.

[Host/Interviewer]

Be here. We here. Man. This lame ass had a party at his house. Everybody walking through that. He got these nurses putting the other people nose whole time. This the whole ass. Pass the COVID around to the whole house.

[DJ]

Listen, I ain't know Kenny gave me Kobe.

[Host/Interviewer]

I didn't know I had was before.

[DJ]

The party, like, you know, it took 14 days. It was. Keenan had gave it to me.

[Bun B]

Day eight.

[DJ]

I don't know. I respect.

[Host/Interviewer]

Respect him now. I want to ask though, is, like, Houston responsible for Dragler? How did y', all, like, introduce yourself? Like, how did you and Drake had that relationship? Oh, it was.

[Bun B]

It was jazz. Prince reached out to me. I was in the studio recording at the time. I had been in all week. And he's like, man, I got this artist. I need you to with him. I need you to get on this song. And all week, I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna get to it. I'm gonna get to it. But I was in the middle of recording my album. I had some. Had some I needed to do for me. And then I Was walking out the studio. I'll never forget, the door was open. I'm walking out that hole and my phone rang and I looked and it was him. And I was like, damn, you keep asking me for this song. And I've been knowing Jazz since he was like, you know, in middle school and he never asked me for nothing. Always been a good person. And I was like, I can't do nephew like that. So I turned around, I went in and did the song. And then probably two weeks later he came here. But first he went to end. He was, was at NYU and it was a cold crowd, was women. It was like no dudes and everybody singing word for word. Then he went to Atlanta and did the same thing. And he was even more women in that. So I started showing everybody like, y' all see this? This really blowing the up. So while I'm showing it, my girl look like who is that? I was like, this is Drake. This the dude I did the song with. She's like, oh, okay, okay what it sound like I played the song. She's like, he jamming. But we don't have to go check him out. So her and her friends went, we came here to warehouse live and the man went on stage and everybody singing the song. And I look at my gal and she looking at this like she's supposed.

[Host/Interviewer]

To look at me.

[Bun B]

I was like, I don't know if we ever really had a light skinned like this in rap music where everybody job might be threatened, right? But then he was, was cool. He was real down to earth, man. And consistently come back. You know, he brought his hall weekend to Houston. He did a lot for this city. He came in and turned this city up for a lot. You know, a lot of dancers made money, a lot of D boys, everybody made money. The money, the city was always wired up every time he came to town and, and you know, I know people have mixed emotions about him right now. You know, I, I grew up in the area where you, you, you dance with who you came with, you leave with who you came with.

[Host/Interviewer]

Absolutely.

[Bun B]

I with everybody. I don't have no problem with nobody. That's why even though I, I'm friends with a lot of people that get drawn into a lot of situations, don't bring me into their business like that, you know what I'm saying? So. And he's one of them, you know what I'm saying? Like he know I with everybody that he don't with, you know what I'm saying? And he don't really make a big deal out of it because I with everybody. Yeah, it'd be different if I was just like, well, yeah, I with you. But yeah, I like pushing too. Well, I've been with Push, I've been with Malice. What got going on ain't got nothing to do with me until somebody pulled me into it. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ]

But you like the legend though. Like we only like if you was beefing with somebody, I'll be like, huh?

[Bun B]

I have to have a real good reason to be with somebody.

[DJ]

For real.

[Bun B]

I really don't be giving a what people do. Like, I don't think think people know that. Like, I really, I really could care less what people be doing. I'll be at the crib with my gal. I got grandkids now. I can't be in middle of the street with my shirt off, eating my chest, trying to box. I ain't got time for that.

[DJ]

We did all that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Did you see that potential for him though, like when you met him, that he could be like one of the biggest in the world? No. No.

[Bun B]

Well, I knew the women run this, right? The music industry. The women run this. They buy the music, the clothes, they come to the shows. So I knew he had the music side of it. But then he started really, really rapping and I think the forever song was when he really started to shift.

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[Bun B]

And actually really rap. He's not just a yellow, you know what I'm saying? And he worked hard. The man work harder than most people. He. That's why he party as hard as he do, you know what I'm saying? Because they put a lot of work in. People don't never see the work.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

You know what I'm saying? They never see the time that people put in for their craft to try to. To really make an impact in this. And he wanted them people, man, that's one thing. People like him, Beyonce, even like a cardi b, they outwork hard. Work will be talent. When talent don't want to work hard every time.

[DJ]

Sound like my old coach. God damn.

[Bun B]

Get your ass in there and give me 24.

[DJ]

I ain't work. I was there. I want to ask you this question. Obviously, man, you a legend to us and you made some timeless, timeless music. I'm just running through a couple songs. I want to ask if you have any memories about them or how they came about. First and foremost, I got to ask personally. Diamonds and Wood, one of my favorite songs, when I get my old school and I need to turn that deck on, I need to feel that vibe. What's the moment like when you make a song like that? Do you know instantly it's like that or does it after you get the reaction from the people?

[Bun B]

That was pimp. Pimp wanted to try to make a song that felt like what a screws down song felt like, you know what I'm saying? It's the whole idea of diamond of wood is actually being in a car riding through the city, listening to a screw tape. That's what the vibe of the song is supposed to feel like. You know what I'm saying? I flip through the avenue I'm looking good, banking screw diamonds up against that wood. That song feel like what it feel like when you ride through your hood banging screw at night. You don't have to be in a big slab. It helped. It helped to be in a nice lab, you know what I'm saying? But then you got to watch your back because people will kill you for them real. They will kill you for the rim. So it's. It's a. It's a. It's an amalgamation. I don't want to put no big ass words like that out there, but it's. It's a mix of everything that we love about that lifestyle, but everything that you have to be careful and aware of at the same time. Already.

[DJ]

I know you're a legend. You probably don't know about t time. Hold on, T. I'm.

[Bun B]

I'm.

[DJ]

I'mma tell you about te to come on. So te times is something that happened on the Internet. We were streaming. We were my. We were streaming and somebody literally was like on the stream. They like, y', all, I'mma Go on Te time. And in tea time basically was like, they gonna wear my jersey with no draws.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's what the y' all was talking about. When I. I walked in, somebody said something.

[Bun B]

My got a T jersey on with no draws.

[Host/Interviewer]

I tried to turn around. I was like, I ain't sign up for this. Right? We ain't doing that.

[DJ]

Listen, I hope he got escorted out immediately.

[Bun B]

I ain't on that type of time.

[Host/Interviewer]

I can tell you. Never.

[DJ]

So whoever out here with no time, but I'm drawing some. I hope she beautiful as hell, but.

[Bun B]

Oh, it's women doing it.

[DJ]

I hope.

[Host/Interviewer]

Lord, I hope studs with the switches on. Listen, why you always.

[DJ]

He always gotta do that?

[Host/Interviewer]

Respect, bro.

[Bun B]

Look, Houston, what y' all got me mixed up in with these young.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nah, embrace. Embrace the brand, though, bro. It's. It's global Halloween about to be lit, bro.

[DJ]

Yeah, it's gonna be lit, but I hope they ain't got to switch this.

[Host/Interviewer]

They'll be on tea time for Halloween.

[DJ]

Yeah, it's called Tiger Ling.

[Host/Interviewer]

Don't knock on my right now. Yeah, he said tingling. That's wow.

[Bun B]

Pause.

[Host/Interviewer]

Wing. My nephew told me that's what it's called. No, it's T wing. T Ling is some. You just made up. That's crazy.

[DJ]

Shout out to my wife.

[Host/Interviewer]

We not doing that with Bun on the stage, though.

[Bun B]

I start watching the U of H game for this.

[DJ]

Shout out to my wife. She called tickling. Lord, have.

[Bun B]

I'mma cut my porch light off on Halloween?

[DJ]

No, for sure, for sure. I'm cutting mine off too. If they come to my with that, I throw the egg at him. I told you, people come to your.

[Bun B]

House with jerseys on with no draws, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, it's on the way. It's on the way, bud.

[DJ]

Listen.

[Host/Interviewer]

Cause he want to keep talking about it. Shut the up. I didn't. If you shut the up.

[DJ]

You ain't laughing at me here, cuz. He in rear mode right now. Listen, I done been out places and people. I've been out to eat, just chilling people. People come to me was like, hey, I'm wearing no draws on Halloween. I'm like. I'm like, I hope your girl love you. Like, I don't know. OG got so bad on 2k, the number one player. 2k right now. Got the TE jersey on with no draws.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's a fact.

[Bun B]

How much more time we got?

[Host/Interviewer]

He ready to wrap this up. I feel you, boy.

[Bun B]

I don't want to keep talking to this about no draws. Like, keep it moving.

[Host/Interviewer]

This ain't about him. Him. I want to ask you though, like, how do you feel about like the music. Music industry and where it's going right now, do you think?

[Bun B]

I think it's in a great place. I think it's in a great place because again, people get to make real money off of it. People get to pick and decide exactly what they want. Want to with. Because for a long time, record companies will push music down your throat, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

Radio stations are push music down your throat. Pause and.

[Host/Interviewer]

And it don't have to be like that no more.

[Bun B]

Like y' all can go on the Internet and look up. It's a thousand releasing songs every day all around the world. And it might be something that you've been waiting to hear or the way a talking about something. And they'd be like, see, that's what I'm talking about. And you can. With that. And you can find a community of people that. With that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

So you don't have to feel like an outsider. And only that's what the Internet does. It levels the playing field and give everybody the same opportunity. And I love that Houston been taking advantage of it, you know what I'm saying? Not just with the music, but social media, you know what I'm saying? Houston been doing a real good job of building their social media presence. People like Lil Jeremy, people like Walker, you know what I'm saying? Even the new cats like Dot, you know what I'm saying, they taking full advantage of. So from that point on, it's just about how hard you want to hustle for what you want.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nah.

[Bun B]

And Houston is really getting to it.

[Host/Interviewer]

What I do miss about y' all though is the music videos. Like the big pimping and like that. I think that's the nostalgia we missing. Like the money is definitely better.

[Bun B]

But that was a million dollar video. Like you ain't gonna see that type. Ain't nobody doing that but Taylor Swift. And like video was a million. That video was. Was the first rap video.

[DJ]

Your verse on Big. Hold on. Don't worry about. Can y' all play Big P his verse on.

[Host/Interviewer]

That video. A household like that was a household Ready, cuz. Eva, what's her name? Eva was. It was a. What's old girl that was on Joe Button podcast. Be careful. Yeah, she had Y. Yeah.

[Bun B]

Melissa, Gloria, Val.

[DJ]

It was some of the top talent at the time.

[Host/Interviewer]

Was you a part of that, like putting it together or would. Did you just pull up and was.

[Bun B]

Like, no, no, that's a Rockefeller record. So they put all that together. I just showed up.

[Host/Interviewer]

You just showed up? Was like, damn. Yeah, okay.

[Bun B]

But I was already married, so I couldn't. I was just there with just window dresses.

[DJ]

You like me with this. We be out of town. I'm marrying a.

[Bun B]

My wife be with me all the time, so I ain't true.

[DJ]

My wife don't there come out the gate. She don't even like me like that.

[Bun B]

Oh, he going down a dark road.

[Host/Interviewer]

Listen, stop telling these ass stories. Big Pippen is a legendary video.

[Bun B]

It's crazy, though.

[Host/Interviewer]

We.

[Bun B]

We shot that hoe in Trinidad. We shot at Trinidad. And J. Oh, we shot for, like, three days. But pimp never showed up.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

To the video. And yeah, he never got on the plane. He was in a hotel room with, like, four chicks.

[DJ]

And he was like that song, cuz now I'm really loving my favorite song. So he never came to the.

[Host/Interviewer]

He. He never came.

[Bun B]

He never got on the plane and went overseas. The video. Whole video was supposed to be shot overseas, and he never got on the plane. So we had to go to. To Miami where he was to finish the video.

[DJ]

Oh, that is fire.

[Host/Interviewer]

Like, he.

[Bun B]

He bought the car for the video, so he bought the convertible beins for the video.

[DJ]

Hey, can y' all play that?

[Bun B]

And they pulled up with me coach in the car.

[DJ]

Turn it up.

[Host/Interviewer]

Turn it up for this is a live show. Hey, get this together so they can play this goddamn song. Yeah, what we doing?

[DJ]

They play that.

[Vernon Maxwell]

No, I ain't do this.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay. Bo, do you think, like, that's missing, like, in today's world, though, that time and effort put into the music videos?

[Bun B]

No, I don't think it. I don't think it really matter in that sense, because don't nobody really care about a lot of that. People just want to see you in your element.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

That's why you see a lot. A lot more videos of people just in their neighborhoods. You know what I'm saying? People don't really care. Every video that. Who was it I want? I think Chief Keef was it. They shot every video at the house.

[Host/Interviewer]

They did. You know what I'm saying? Like, every single video in that apartment.

[Bun B]

They shot that hole at the house that don't nobody care as long as the song jamming, finito. We don't give a what the video look like.

[Host/Interviewer]

That is true.

[Bun B]

We just want to blow New Jersey up. Like.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nah, that's a fact. That's a fact.

[Toby]

I think that.

[Host/Interviewer]

But that them being on, like, 106 and park and like that. It was just a vibe for our generation. That's what I'll be trying to tell myself. Like, y' all don't understand how important. Like, Scotch, even from the producer standpoint, like Scott, Storage and them, how important they Timberland, how important they was to the music industry and like that.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

And it was just. It was different to see us included in a lot of the major happening.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

Because the south, you know, we kind of had to find our own way. But to be on a record with somebody like that who had the biggest budgets and all the exposure and all that type of. And we just showing up, you know, Texas, just like, what it's whatever. You know what I'm saying? I remember we was the last song at Summer Jam one year. We brought us out of Summer Jam. I was like, how the we end up with this? Like, you know what I'm saying? And we never had to change nothing. That was the beauty of what me and Pimp was able to achieve. We didn't have to change nothing about who we was to become who we became. Like, we just kept it solid, kept it real. And people recognizing. Connected with it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. You and Pimp grew up together. Like, how do you have relationship?

[Bun B]

We met around middle school, like around seventh grade.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Damn.

[Bun B]

That's crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

He's one of the hardest to ever do it. Like, for sure.

[Bun B]

No, period. Period. There'll never be anybody like him. There's so many. We would be at other people.

[DJ]

People.

[Bun B]

We being like, I give you example.

[Host/Interviewer]

Three, two.

[Bun B]

Rest in Peace. Three, two. Album. Yeah. And the album was jamming. And the last song he played was One Day. And he was like, yeah, but that's just so. I don't think I'm gonna drop it. It's too slow and Pimple like, you crazy. That's the best record you got. And he was like, yeah, but don't want to hear that. People like, give me that. I'm gonna show you. And one day, still to this day, is a record that everybody plays. You know what I'm saying? Know what I'm saying? He would have an ear for that. Did. Would have hit records. They couldn't even recognize that they had a hit record. Pimp would have to tell them that type of. You know what I'm saying? He would give people beats. He'd give people hooks. But more than anything, he gave people game, you know what I'm saying? He tried to, you know, let people recognize the talent, the power they had in themselves. C. Pimp would talk like, he could do anything, and he have you feeling like you could do any thing, too. And to be honest, it wasn't much that was. We didn't achieve just because of the fact of how much he believed in what we could do. You know what I'm saying? So all I did was just ride shotgun with my hold him down. And everything we dreamed of, it eventually happened.

[DJ]

Come on, baby Long let the pimp DJ Pimp see in the building.

[Bun B]

Ready?

[Host/Interviewer]

How was them studio sessions? Yeah, I need to know about them studio sessions. Legendary.

[Bun B]

Legendary.

[Host/Interviewer]

Motivation was you the motivation. Like, how did y' all even call each other?

[Bun B]

Like, this song came out of the penitentiary. So Project Pat had an album.

[DJ]

Yes, sir.

[Bun B]

They had a song called I choose you that he rapped to this exact beat, and it was Pimp favorite while he was locked up. So we came home and we started working. We was in LA at. @ Paul House, at Juicy House. I'm sorry. And they playing beats for us. You know what I'm saying? We like, let's do some music. Them the Homeboys. We was actually. Actually working on a underground mafia project at the time. So we was gonna put UGK and Three 6 Mafia together, and we was gonna be up, and they were playing Bees, and Pimp say, man, I want to rap to that Pat Head. They're like, what you talking about? That I choose you. That. That Pat was rapping, too. I want to rap to that. That was a hit record. Y' all need to drop that hoe again. They're like, man, that. Oh, man, that's a hit right now. Give me that. This is the second time. He's like, give me that beat. And that's what we actually made out of the song. Now, the crazy thing is, the song had Three Six Mafia on the song. Like, there's a version of players Anthem with UGK and Three 6 Mafia. They had just won the Oscar. They tried to renegotiate their record deal, and the record company put them as a rap group on the. On the bench. Like, y' all can't drop them. We're not clearing nothing. But as producers, they deal with was separate, so we could still use their beat, but we had to take their voice off of it, so that's how they got off of it. And then outkast eventually got on it separately. So, like, one got. Got the song in la. Andre got it in la. Andre's like, I like it. I want to rap to this if y' all ain't done. I was like, hell, no. We Ain't done, cuz. Outcast wasn't even what group at that time. So he's like, I want to rap to it, but I don't want no drums on my. And then big boy got it in Atlanta. He heard it. I want to rap to it, but I just want to rap to the drums. That's the kind of group they were. And neither one of them knew they was going to be on the song together.

[DJ]

Hold on, hold on. Y' all had Outcast on the song, and either one of them knew they was going to be on the song?

[Bun B]

No, they weren't working as a group, but as a group, they were signed to my label.

[DJ]

Oh.

[Bun B]

We was all on the same record label at the time. So once they found out, they wasn't tripping about it or nothing. But Andre kept saying, I'm not doing no video. He was like, I'm gonna do this song, but I'm not doing no video. I'm not doing no video. So when we decided we really needed to do a video, I say, bro, just. We gonna do whatever you want to do. Tell us what kind of video we gonna do. We gonna show up this whole. Your whole concept, your idea. So that's what happened.

[DJ]

Can I tell you something?

[Bun B]

Absolutely.

[DJ]

I played that verse when I got married.

[Host/Interviewer]

You should have called me.

[DJ]

I would have put pulled up. No, you might have cost. See, I wish I would have known him by then, cuz. Lord, that probably cost me.

[Host/Interviewer]

Ar.

[DJ]

I don't work with you.

[Bun B]

I don't work with you.

[DJ]

I probably knew about 15 when I got married. That was. But I walked out too.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's a fact.

[DJ]

I walked out to that Andre 3000 verse or whatever. But I'm saying like, that that's. Don't you tell me that they didn't know that they was going to be a part of that. That's like amazing record.

[Bun B]

I'm glad they ended up agreeing to do it, you know what I'm saying? Because Andre was really acting at the time. So he's really on some different at the time. But we got a long relationship. We've been partners for a long time. And everybody had already agreed, like, they had already wrapped on it. So it was like, it. Let's just do it.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Bun B]

So they agreed to it. And then it's still one of the biggest, biggest records for me. I just did it for Mona, Leo and Stunning for Vegas. Wed. Like I popped up. I just showed up and did it.

[DJ]

That's hard. Why the you ain't show smart that weak Ass dj. I had.

[Host/Interviewer]

You cleaned it up, cuz. You had.

[DJ]

Was my cousin N. But you had.

[Host/Interviewer]

Pimping them to kill that for the after party.

[DJ]

Oh, that was my after part. Hey, the killed that.

[Host/Interviewer]

This the greatest DJ in the world right here. DJ P. We bring Indianapolis to goddamn Houston.

[Bun B]

The name threw me off. I ain't going to lie. The name took me off.

[DJ]

See, your brother, We. He's named after that.

[Bun B]

That's amazing.

[DJ]

Fact.

[Bun B]

And he put the two E's on it to keep it separate. I like it.

[DJ]

No disrespect.

[Host/Interviewer]

Thank you.

[Bun B]

Homage.

[Host/Interviewer]

M. When you doing your runs and your tours, do you perform Pimp too?

[Bun B]

Like, yeah, yeah. Allow the crowd to be a part of the show at that point. Because, you know, I'm not the only that Ms. Pimp. We all miss Pimp. You know what I'm saying?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Bun B]

And y' all been supporting me through, you know, through my journey with Pimp and then my journey after Pimp. Y' all ain't left me hanging. Y' all stuck with us. Y' all still love me. You definitely still love Pimp and said we not gonna act like he ain't.

[DJ]

Still here, you know, so we gonna.

[Bun B]

I celebrate him every show. You know, every show we do different songs at different times and just be like, you know, let's do another one for Pimp right quick and turn it up again. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't want people to feel like I moved on or nothing like that. You know what I'm saying? I bring them with me everywhere I go.

[Host/Interviewer]

The ultimate.

[Bun B]

So if I ever talk to you funky in public, I apologize. That was.

[DJ]

That was.

[Bun B]

That was a pimping me that day.

[DJ]

Can I ask you this? What do you, like, like, recording a record? This. And you usually. This is my DJ question. But, like, you like performing a record or like recording a record?

[Bun B]

I'm glad you asked that, because some people just want to make music, okay? They like going in the studio. They like creating, and they don't really like the performing aspect of it because it involves being around people and everybody ain't for it. Like, I remember Bobby Brown talked about it. Bobby Brown was like, Whitney just like to sing and perform, but she don't like the meet and greets and the people. She, like, put her heart. She let her art speak for herself. But Bobby, he's like, I want the people. I embrace the people. I know what the people do for me. So I like. I like to perform inside of it because I get to be with the people and enjoy the people company. I like both of them, man. But I ain't gonna lie, man. Ain't nothing like a good show, you know what I'm saying? A good concert where everybody come in, they all ready for the music, They've been drinking, they've been smoking, they look good, they feel good, got a couple dollars in their pocket, they outside. You know, I'm an old. So for me, if I get to go out, it's some babysitters and involved.

[DJ]

So yeah, we gotta, we gotta put.

[Bun B]

That in early, you know what I'm saying? Two months early to have us a good time. But that's all we want to do, man. I just want to, you know, entertain some people, buy the music, never go to a concert, you know what I'm saying? So I want to make sure, however you you with me, that it's an experience that you enjoy. And I did the right thing.

[Vernon Maxwell]

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[Vernon Maxwell]

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