Club 520 - Charlie Villanueva on Kobe Bryant’s 81, Harden vs. Wade, SGA vs. Wemby

Summary

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Club 520 Podcast – Ep: Charlie Villanueva on Kobe Bryant’s 81, Harden vs. Wade, SGA vs. Wemby

Date: April 13, 2026
Hosts: Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, Bishop B Henn
Special Guest: Charlie Villanueva

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Episode Overview

This week's Club 520 features former NBA forward Charlie Villanueva, who joins Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and Bishop B Henn for a wide-ranging, energetic conversation. They tap into Charlie’s basketball journey – from near-miss college choices and March Madness stories, to wild NBA nights, business moves after retirement, and firsthand tales of iconic moments like Kobe Bryant’s 81-point game. It’s heavy on laughs, honest storytelling, and bold NBA takes, including hot debates on Harden vs. Wade and SGA vs. Wemby, with signature Club 520 chemistry and humor.

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Key Topics & Insights

Charlie’s Basketball Journey: The “What If” College Path

[07:19 – 12:00]

• Nearly went to Indiana with Luol Deng:
  "We was gonna commit to Indiana. Low key, I don’t think I ever told this story publicly... but Lou pulled the audible on me. He was like, yeah, I think I’ma go to Duke." (08:08, Charlie Villanueva)
• Recruiting tales from Illinois:
  • Hosts marvel at the realness of recruiting trips; Charlie describes getting off a private jet at 17, greeted by "Charlie's Angels" and how Coach Bill Self’s departure threw it all off.
• Why UConn?
  • Only ended up at UConn after an unofficial visit, wanting to be close but not too close to home in New York. Connected through NYC ties with Ben Gordon and Taliek Brown.
• Views on "One-and-Done" players at UConn:
  "If you go to UConn, you’re not doing a one-and-done, bro. Under Calhoun... the only one that did it was Andre Drummond, and that was late." (16:05, Charlie)

UConn Days: Winning & Wild Moments

[12:01 – 17:27]

• On the loaded 2003-04 UConn squad:
  • “We started off preseason number one and ended up number one... but being number one, everyone's coming for you. Only way you can move is go down.” (14:11)
• Legendary pictures and sneaker stories:
  • Joke about the team photo with rare kicks and ankle socks; hosts roast the looks.
• Relationship with Coach Calhoun:
  "He will curse you the f*** out, and then build you back up, man. Calhoun was a tough coach, but I appreciate... I ain’t value him until I left." (17:28)

Draft Night, Toronto & the NBA Rookie Rollercoaster

[27:02 – 31:36]

• Draft process:
  "I thought I was gonna go to Charlotte... but Toronto was my best workout, to be honest." (27:59)
• Toronto love and sudden trade:
  "They told me, ‘Only way we gonna trade you is if Michael Jordan comes out of retirement.’ 24 hours later, I was gone." (30:07)
• Learning of the trade from his brother’s girlfriend before anyone else.
• Quickly adapting to Milwaukee:
  “First impression was like, damn, this is weird... but as soon as I got there, the love was crazy.” (31:11)

Partying, Big Nights, and Kobe’s 81

[31:45 – 34:17]

• Playing after wild nights out:
  "I was in the streets, man. Had a good time. And it so happened to be one of the best performances I had on the court." (32:01)
• On Kobe’s 81:
  "That 81 and that 83 is not the same. Kobe was…he legit gave us a…we was throwing all types of [defenses] at him and he was making everything. Bam…it looked like it was more orchestrated…" (44:54)
• Who really got scored on?:
  • “Jalen [Rose] got like about 60…” (51:50)

Toughest Matchups & NBA Teammates

[34:17 – 36:38]

• Dirk and Duncan:
  "Dirk, there’s nothing you can do... Duncan was so basic, but so efficient and effective." (34:22-34:43)
• On Michael Redd:
  • "He would definitely kill today’s NBA." (35:18)
• Chris Bosh love:
  • “He kind of took me under the wing…should be Hall of Fame if he ain't yet." (33:01)

Life After Ball: Real Estate & Business Hustle

[36:38 – 39:04]

• Entering real estate for financial literacy:
  "Super big on that, because I come from welfare...Now, one property led to two, two led to eleven…” (37:02)
• Opening 'Culture' restaurant in Houston:
  • Survived COVID shutdowns, slow grind to reopen.
  • "Culture" serves soul food – hosts joke about always ordering shrimp & grits and fried fish. (39:04)

The "Charlie Villanueva Rule" & Social Media Pioneering

[39:54 – 41:02]

• The infamous halftime tweet (really sent by his brother):
  "That was like the first time somebody’s done that during the game...NBA came with a rule…you can’t tweet after like 90 minutes before the game. Called the Charlie Villanueva rule.”

Drink, Dark Days, and Recovery

[42:07 – 43:30]

• Lockout days:
  “I went 28 out of 31 days drinking, bro. I was having withdrawals, all types of s***…Detroit was some dark days…” (42:09)

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Hot NBA Debates

Bam’s 83 vs. Kobe’s 81

[44:15 – 45:44]

• Charlie’s view:
  "That 81 and that 83 is not the same...Kobe was making everything...Bam, like, it was more orchestrated. The 40+ free throws..."
• On late-game fouling to boost point totals: Not a fan.

Harden vs. Dwyane Wade

[57:01 – 60:31]

• Charlie and some hosts: Harden’s stats are undeniable "The eye test told me D-Wade right away. Then the numbers…James got every category..." (57:30)
• Bishop B:
  "I take a Finals MVP over a regular season MVP"
• All agree: Both are transcendent, arguments for both sides.

SGA vs. Wemby for MVP (and the future face of the league)

[70:34 – 72:31]

• Charlie:
  "League is gonna push the narrative of Wemby…he’s gonna be the face of the league for sure. But I’m on the SGA train." (70:49)
• Hosts praise SGA’s efficiency and OKC’s rise:
  “Averaging 30 on 50/40/90, losing barely any games over months.”
• Wemby’s late surge, but lack of consistency, may hold him back for this year’s MVP.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Making It Out:
  “I grew up on welfare, man. We ain’t really had the bread like that.” (03:58, Charlie)

• On Getting Traded After Being Assured Safety:
  “Only way we gonna trade you is if Michael Jordan comes out of retirement...24 hours later I was gone.” (30:07, Charlie)

• On Kobe’s 81:
  "He had 50 and it was still the third quarter." (49:56, Charlie)
  "Jalen [Rose] got like about 60 [points scored on him]. Mo Pete, maybe another 20." (51:50)

• NBA Twitter OG:
  "The NBA came with a rule…can’t tweet after like 90 minutes before game. It was called the Charlie Villanueva rule." (41:02, Charlie)

• On retirement, business, and reinvention:
  "When I retired in 2016…31 years old, what do I do now?" (37:02)

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Lighting Round Debates: Shooting Guards & Playoff Predictions

T-Mac, Vince, DeRozan, or Paul George?

[54:02 – 56:57]

• Debated who’s best— accolades vs. peak performance vs. longevity.
• Consensus:
  “T-Mac at his best, nobody touching him. Vince’s career is crazy, but if you talking wins and stats? DeMar.”
  "Paul George is in that mix, especially if not for injuries..."

Modern NBA Playoff & MVP Picks

[74:00 – 83:52]

• OKC and SGA get enthusiastic backing to win the chip.
  • Charlie praises coach Mark Daigneault—and reveals he was UConn’s team manager when Charlie played!
• Nuggets, Spurs, Celtics, and Cleveland discussed as contenders.
  • Lots of love for Jokic ("Top 5 center all time?"), skepticism for Cade Cunningham/Pistons, shout for Boston’s consistency.
• Small guard as #1 option debate: Is it ever the right formula?
  • Steph’s the outlier; otherwise, tough to win that way without help.

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Running Jokes & Club 520 Chemistry

• The running bit about measurements and inches, wild socks in team pics, barbershop talk (with Charlie never needing a barber), and nobody quite believing in Wilt Chamberlain’s 100-point game.
• Lighthearted ribbing on drinking habits, College recruiting, and on-court folklore (who REALLY guarded Kobe?).

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [07:19] – Recruitment tales and college “what ifs”
• [12:01] – UConn roster memories and wild photos
• [17:28] – Coach Calhoun’s leadership and program culture
• [27:02] – NBA Draft, Toronto days, and early trade shock
• [31:45] – Wild NBA nightlife and big performance stories
• [33:01] – Learning from Chris Bosh and Michael Redd
• [39:54] – The Charlie Villanueva Rule (NBA social media)
• [44:15] – Bam’s 83 vs. Kobe’s 81 debate
• [57:01] – Harden vs. Dwyane Wade deep-dive
• [70:34] – SGA vs. Wemby (MVP, face of league future)
• [74:00] – Playoff/championship predictions and coaching stories

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Closing & Takeaways

Charlie’s honesty, humor, and deep basketball insight—plus inside stories on legendary moments and debates you won't hear anywhere else—make this an episode any basketball fan will love.
Check out Charlie’s restaurant "Culture" in Houston, and his podcast “To the Baja with Theo Pinson.”
The Club 520 crew keeps it both hilarious and real: “We just talk our sh*t.”

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Transcript

[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Bishop B]

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[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Lori Siegel]

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[Host DJ Wells]

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[Charlie Villanueva]

No, I can't even get that, bro. I grew up on welfare, man.

[Bishop B]

Okay.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I. I ain't really. We ain't. We ain't really had the bread like that, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Okay, man, we trying to bring the church back, man. We trying to bring the next back. Make sure my boy Charlie get one, man. Shout out to Hard Rock bet be him. We gotta lay, man. Let's get this money, man. Final four weekend. You cash in for sure, man.

[DJ Wells]

You look, just take Ucon.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah, but that. That's not what y' all was saying, though.

[DJ Wells]

Who?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Oh, you were saying.

[DJ Wells]

UConn all the way. Yeah, yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

He got New Jersey. Yeah, he's at the old Bradley.

[Bishop B]

New Jersey over there.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Oh, okay, My fault, my fault. You tapped in.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, respect.

[Bishop B]

I definitely was saying, I got Michigan. I had Michigan.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, Florida at first.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, I had Florida at first.

[Host DJ Wells]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, we gonna see what happens. But be here. It's almost NBA playoffs. We're going crazy with the legs, dj.

[DJ Wells]

We gonna win either way.

[Bishop B]

Hey, Ryan started at point guard, so I got the Lakers now.

[Host DJ Wells]

Listen, if you want to feed your family for eons, take the Lakers under, under, under. It will feed families, man. Shout out to Hard Rod. Bet we gonna get y' all paid, man. Shout out to StockX, keeping us fresh in the set as well. Shout out to Blackfest Podcast Festival, April 25, Atlanta, GA Club 520 Live Show T. Back in the. Hey, man, what's going on with it back home, man?

[Bishop B]

Back home, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

The outside show don't be here.

[Bishop B]

Oh, shit.

[DJ Wells]

Can't wait. Hopefully it don't rain. Hopefully the weather is about 70. 75.

[Bishop B]

Ooh, I take 70. My boy be sweating like it was 95. Go ahead, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Respectful. We'll see y' all in the Amen. For sure, man. Special guest in the building. Introd him. Blast as usual. To my far left, we got my dog Bishop B. Hitting out the priest.

[DJ Wells]

How you.

[Host DJ Wells]

What? Nasty.

[DJ Wells]

Cool and nasty. I'm ready for this one, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, you been. You've been waiting for this episode, man. One of you guys, you speak highly on that team, too, man.

[DJ Wells]

For sure. For sure, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yes, sir, man. Still Tom. All right. We got my dog, Young Nacho. Young Tig. How you? What?

[Bishop B]

Good, bro. I mean, I'm the first one to issue the. You know, the beef with the Baja, so I'm glad he. I wanted to remember we was going to hoop. We was going, what, four on four? Yeah, I was guarding Charlie, so it was. It was cool, man.

[DJ Wells]

Ray lost a lot of ways.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He did. Yeah, he did.

[DJ Wells]

Ra. I seen him. I seen him in the gym.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

We got to cancel the game.

[DJ Wells]

No, don't cancel.

[Host DJ Wells]

We got a little help. We got game still got.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He was getting to it.

[Bishop B]

Okay, we gotta chill out.

[DJ Wells]

For sure.

[Host DJ Wells]

Come on, man. We wait on this guest, man. Come on, man. 11 year event. National champ, man. Straight to the Baja right now. The one only Mr. Tribe in the way. But, Big dog, we appreciate you sliding on tonight, man.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Appreciate it for having me, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Long time coming. Yeah. See, now, listen, man, we was talking about the pause. I hear wanting smoke, you know what I'm saying? We ain't spared nobody. They came up, and I like the response video, too. They said, let's get it.

[Bishop B]

They went at it, right? I like how y' all responded.

[DJ Wells]

You still hooping? Hell, no.

[Charlie Villanueva]

No, we were like, all right. Be hand. Dj. We good, dad. Damn. He a little active. He might be still active. I don't know. You still hooping?

[Bishop B]

Yeah, I still hooping right now, then. Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I mean, I can.

[DJ Wells]

You good half around, get some shots up now.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I can make. I can.

[Bishop B]

You always can shoot.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, we can shoot all the other.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, yeah, I can shoot. But Theo's still hooping, though.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Theo is active in the Rico. Puerto Rico right now. Hooping.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So that was our only hope. We was gonna just feature him. Feature him, let him do his thing.

[Host DJ Wells]

That really gonna be the matchup gonna be Marcus? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get on the work, bro. For show, man. Let's start, man. IU rumors, man. You know, obviously Indiana, is it true that there was a possibility that you and Lu Aldnegue was going to be going to EDN Universe? We were, of course, we were fans.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Okay.

[DJ Wells]

That was real.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yes, there was actually. Mike Davis was a coach.

[Host DJ Wells]

Shout out to Mike Davis.

[Charlie Villanueva]

We took an official vision, me and Lu all Deng, obviously. We played together in New Jersey and high school together and send a pj. And at the time, I think. I don't know how true this was or not, but Indiana was like the number one, like party schools and shit like that. Oh, it still is.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Really?

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

They kept saying this shit, right?

[DJ Wells]

So I'm like, okay, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But I had a great time. And after I left Indiana, I was like, me and Lu all were talking be dope for us to play Reunite and play Indiana. So we was going to commit to Indiana. Low key. I don't think I ever sold this story publicly, but we was going to commit because Mike Davis was nil before.

[Host DJ Wells]

I like his style before.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I can talk freely now, But. And then Lou pulled the audible on me. It was like, yeah, I'm going. I think I'm gonna go to dude and that me up because I'm like, all right, cool. And then I ended up committing to Illinois.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So I committed to Illinois. I don't know if you want me to go down that store. You want me to go down that.

[Host DJ Wells]

That's what Bill. So yeah, yeah, okay.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So Bill Self was there here, but they were recruiting me heavy. And Illinois was dope. I ain't gonna lie. They. They said the PJ. I mean, I'm 17 years old. I'm from the hood. 17 years old. I'm on the PJ. And I know my wife over there. But the good thing is I can say she understands. But they have five girls waiting for me with Charlie's Angel. Shirts off.

[Host DJ Wells]

That's hard.

[DJ Wells]

Illinois.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

Shout out to Rick Box. Where they go? The real recruit trip.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, that looks like Miami Tech.

[Host DJ Wells]

Miami Tech.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You know, I'm 17 years old, man. You know what I mean? So.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah. And they show love. They show love. Show, man. I had a great time. I committed on the spot.

[DJ Wells]

That's fire, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I committed another spot. Oh, this is how y' all moving? Yeah, I'm here. But Yeah, I had a great time. And then Coach Self ended up going to Kansas.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So like maybe like two months after I verbally committed. Cause there was no reason for me to sign. And I was like, fuck. And then I think Bruce Weber came in. Bruce Webber, I think that's the name he came in. I ain't really know him like that. I didn't really have a relationship with him like that. I was cool with D World, Luther Head, D. Brown. Shout out to them dudes, man. Good peoples, man. But. And then I was like, man, you know what? I'm gonna go to Kansas. So took a visit to Kansas. I'm from New York. No tornado hit Kansas.

[Host DJ Wells]

If it was ever a sign that

[Charlie Villanueva]

you didn't even tell me to go to the basement in, I was like, nah, I'm good. I went in the was all pretty and I come out. This is all up outside. So I'm like, nah, this ain't it, bro. So with Yukon, I ended up going to Yukon by accident, bro. To be honest. I was like, yo, I want to be close to home, but I kind of want to be far away. Say it. Yukon. And that's how. That's how legit. I already took my five visits. And then I took my unofficial visit to go to UConn. Obviously. I didn't even talk to the coaches or nothing. I was hanging out with BG the whole time. Ben Gordon. Shout out BG Gordon from New York. So we vibe we play together at au. So I've known him for a minute. And I also knew Talik Brown. That name, Rinza Bell, he from New York as well. So it was like a matter of like, all right, fuck it, I'm coming here. And at that time, they were ranked number one. Preseason.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, that was a loaded team, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I'm like, oh, shit. All right, cool. Fuck it. Come on.

[Host DJ Wells]

What's so crazy is you could have been on the Illinois scene. We already talk about that triple headed monster, Dee Brown. Luther head deep. Well, boy, you wanna ask Woody, so.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And then they went to the finals and played UNC the next year. But, you know, I ended up winning in my first year. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I made the right decision.

[Host DJ Wells]

You made a great decision.

[DJ Wells]

How was that, man, playing with Emeka Okafor?

[Host DJ Wells]

He was big, underrated college star.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Super underrated, man. Super humble dude. Hard worker, man. Like that dude was a gym rat, bro. He was in the gym day in and day out. And he was a good student too. I'm like, damn, how can you Manage both of them. He was a straight A student type. And then, you know, he was. You know, he was our best player, man. He was. Who carried us throughout the year. And then you add Ben to the mix.

[Host DJ Wells]

Come on, come on.

[DJ Wells]

Have the squad. Was Denim on that team?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Denim Brown.

[DJ Wells]

That was my boy on Marcus Williams.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, the squad.

[Host DJ Wells]

Okay. Marcus Williams.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He ended up falling off. He became ineligible, like, halfway.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, that's my dog. He a menace to society.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah, he's solid. He's solid.

[DJ Wells]

That's my dog.

[Host DJ Wells]

Josh Boone was the first Billy game. Because everybody used to argue, man, he white. I'm like, man, Josh Mooney is not white with the Kardashian braids.

[DJ Wells]

That was a crazy front court that y' all had, though.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, we did. Yeah, bro, we was. We was nice, man. We got. Hell no. I'm showing, too.

[Bishop B]

Hell yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah. Y' all had the legendary picture. We all had the fire kicks on and ankle socks. Legendary moment. Nobody had no crew socks at all.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You talking about.

[DJ Wells]

Are you nasty for that?

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Hold on, hold on. So when we did the shoot, they said they not gonna get our feet. Cause we was looking crazy. Oh, and then threw the motherfucker's feet in there. I'm like, bro, find the picture.

[Host DJ Wells]

Somebody had on. Who had on the eight Slam.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, yeah, I had the eights.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, you had the eight. So I lost the ace. The Eggo socks was crazy.

[Bishop B]

They went, though. That's when nobody was wearing, like, high socks no more besides me. Nah.

[Host DJ Wells]

But they all had on heat, though. That's what I respected about.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah, I think one of the guy. Air Force Ones.

[Host DJ Wells]

It was ones. Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

We was looking crazy, though. They did this dirty, man. They did this dirty for sure.

[Host DJ Wells]

I got you. I got the pig.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Say, that's crazy.

[Host DJ Wells]

What was that like, though? Obviously, you was there two years, but a freshman year, coming in with a loaded team already. And y' all straight got to it. Y' all had a damn near flawless season, I always say. Thank you because I'm a Duke hater. So y' all taking care of Duke that first Final Four game. I always appreciate. But what was that moment like? Man, that run.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That run was crazy, man. We started off preseason number one, and obviously we ended up number one. But it was a roller coaster. I mean, we lost his games, bro. Yeah, we lost this game to, like, teams that we shouldn't have lost to. So the thing I always say is being number one is always hard because everyone's coming for you. And the only way. The only the only way you can move is go down. You know what I'm saying? So pause. That sounds crazy.

[Bishop B]

That is kind of crazy.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's us.

[Host DJ Wells]

There you go.

[Bishop B]

Legendary pig.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Come on. They did this dirty as.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

The Miz. That's what got me. The Miz had. I was like, The Miz with the ankles is dying.

[DJ Wells]

Is that America?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, that's him.

[Host DJ Wells]

BG had that on, though, as usual. Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's just legendary to this day.

[Host DJ Wells]

Hell, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's funny. What the. I was talking about the run, bro. Oh, yeah, the one. The run. The run of mine. So we ended up losing six games or whatnot. And then I remember we lost to Georgia Tech. They beat our ass in New York in Madison Square Garden. And that's the team that I wanted to see again with Georgia Tech. And that so happened. We saw them again. Oh, we blitzed they ass. We blitzed them, bro. But, yeah, man, it was dope, man. That was the first time with the man. And woman won. The first time ever. So campus was lit.

[Host DJ Wells]

You can't be lit.

[DJ Wells]

Hell, yeah.

[Bishop B]

That's just so.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, it's cold. Yeah. Cause there's nothing out there. Ain't really not much out there. But it's lit, though, when you first got there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that's some crazy weather. It's a vibe. Yeah. Remember, I'm from New York, though, so I'm used to that. Oh.

[Host DJ Wells]

Now, obviously, freshman year, when it. Did you think about leaving your freshman year?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Absolutely. But ain't nobody in Jim Calhoun's ever done except for Andre German did a one and done. If you go to UConn, you're not doing a one and done, bro. Really? Under Calhoun.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, okay.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And the only one that did it was Andre Drummond. But he did it towards the end of Calhoun's tenure at UConn. But you're doing a minimum. But he don't tell you that. He lures you in. And then, you know, he was. He was fucking with me a little bit. You know, I was coming off the bench. I was starring. I was coming off the bench. And then we won. He flat out told me, if you leave, I'm not supporting this move.

[Host DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's sad.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But I also. He was like, but there's an opportunity. For now, it'd be your team. Cause Ben and the Mecca were leaving. So I was like, all right, cool. I'mma give you one more year. He was like, that's all I need

[DJ Wells]

was you on the board late.

[Host DJ Wells]

Okay, okay.

[DJ Wells]

You made the right decision right Decision for sure. Because that next year. Who came in? Rudy. Is that Rudy in there?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Rudy came in next year.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Cuz think about. Rudy didn't leave either. That's crazy.

[DJ Wells]

He did.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's why I. Ben, Rip Ray, Darnell Marshall, Karan, Butler, you all Kimber.

[DJ Wells]

At least. At least two of them.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Minimum of two years.

[Host DJ Wells]

Gonna do a video. What was like playing for Coach Calhoun? Wild.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That boy's wild. He will curse you out, bro. He'll curse you the fuck out, man, and then build you back up, man. Calhoun was a tough coach, man, but I appreciate. I ain't valued him until I left. Like, damn, this dude is legit, bro. He a good dude, man. Great coach. Obviously, his resume speaks for himself. Hall of Famer. Solid dude, man. Solid. It was tough. It wasn't easy. I was a McDonald's All American coming in, and, you know, I'm thinking I'm gonna shine right away and shit.

[DJ Wells]

And then I had a fire class, too. What you think your nil bag would have been? Jeez.

[Bishop B]

Shit. He already had Charlie Dangers.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah,

[Charlie Villanueva]

no, you good, you good, you good.

[DJ Wells]

I'm saying, would it have played an effect, though? That's why I'm asking you to choose from Illinois. I know coach left and shit, but if they had that bag still, what would you. No, the bag was still there.

[Charlie Villanueva]

The bag was still on the table. But I'm just like, nah, I just don't got a relationship, so, I mean, the bag would have been crazy.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah. Respect to Coach Silver. Bill S definitely on the nil as well.

[DJ Wells]

Gave you about five.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Remember, I was McDonald's on American. Top three in the country now.

[DJ Wells]

So I'm doing you a little low. 5. A little low.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah. 5 might be a little low.

[Host DJ Wells]

You need that. You getting that, AJ debenzi, you hear me?

[Charlie Villanueva]

I feel. No question. No question.

[Host DJ Wells]

So for seven out of. Out of high school, you're going to BYU for the seven elves?

[Charlie Villanueva]

You damn right.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I'm going.

[Bishop B]

Hey, would have been no trolls. Shake the bed. It's over with. I'm not no going to byu.

[Host DJ Wells]

And I was laughing, man, after they last game, they showed AJ Right in the whip. He was not.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He even go back to the room. Gangs belonging.

[Bishop B]

He went straight to la.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Pocket full of money, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

That's a fact. Now, obviously, what's going on right now with Dan Hurley having a crazy win at UConn. We was talking to some fans yesterday. They said if he get one or he get another one, is it time for conversation in that men's Program, one of the best coaches around.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's a fact. You gonna have to. Yeah. I mean, he won back to back going to the final. Well, playing in the championship game three out of four years. I mean, Coach Calhoun is great hall of Famer. He won three. If you win three, you're in the conversation. Yeah, you're in the conversation.

[DJ Wells]

So he in and now, bro. Yeah, he in it right now, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

In the conversation now. A little bit more.

[Charlie Villanueva]

One more was like, all right.

[DJ Wells]

Pushing him in the top five.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He flirting with it, though. He's flirting with the top five.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah. I mean, respect.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Who else. Who else you got up there?

[Host DJ Wells]

You look at a lot of legendary college coaches. A lot of people that we gave a lot of respect to and deserving. So only got one.

[Bishop B]

Like, is a.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Exactly like Bayha.

[Host DJ Wells]

Like legendary coach. Nothing. Respect. Come on. Got one.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But in a short period of time, dominating it.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You know what I mean? So he's setting up the culture, man. And, and, and. And Yukon Wright, man. He's doing his thing, man. What's crazy is I've known Dan for a minute, too, so he coached St. Benedict's in height was high school, where J.R. smith went. Let me tell you something about Gerald. I'm gonna give him a quick shout out my goat. The best high school players I've ever seen in my life, bro. Jail was tough, bro. It was tough. Athletic and shoot the ball. There's nothing he couldn't do. And what's crazy is we. We seen him twice in the state finals. I lost him twice. Two against him, bro. Damn. Against Hurley. So he was doing that. He was being on people back then.

[Host DJ Wells]

Headbutt, Rush back then.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But. Yeah, but we cool. We talk about that all the time. And it's always love, man.

[Bishop B]

Why you ain't go out of high school?

[Charlie Villanueva]

I did. I did put my name out out of high school. I worked out for Dallas, San Antonio and New Jersey. I was 17 years old and I worked out with them boys. I'm like, nah, a little different.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, you weren't strong enough.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah. Hell no. Like, nah. These dudes is moving a little quick, and they were way too strong. And I was like, nah, I need to go back. I need to go. I don't know why I was taken.

[Bishop B]

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[Host DJ Wells]

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[DJ Wells]

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[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Doug]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Charlie Villanueva]

I doctored the test once.

[Stephanie Young]

It took an army of Internet detectives to crack the case.

[Lily Herman]

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[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[DJ Wells]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Stephanie Young]

As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[DJ Wells]

That's crazy.

[Host DJ Wells]

No, well said. All right, man. Obviously, you can go crazy. UConn, second year honors across the Big east board, and it's time to declare. What was your draft process like? What was that summer like? Going to. You know what I'm saying, Become an NBA player?

[Charlie Villanueva]

It was dope. You know, I, I. You know, I'm from New York, so I stayed in New York the whole time, working out. I worked out for a few teams. I didn't work out for many. I worked out for Toronto, Charlotte twice, and maybe Utah, and that was it. And then Utah had the third pick, Charlotte had the fifth pick, had the fifth and 13th pick, and then Toronto had the seventh pick, and that was it. And I knew I was kind of gonna. I thought really I was gonna go to Charlotte. Cause I had a great workout. They actually brought me back the second time they had me play Charmaine. One on one,

[DJ Wells]

On one, full court.

[Charlie Villanueva]

They did me dirty, too. Now. I was tired.

[DJ Wells]

Now what you play with Sean? Made or.

[Bishop B]

Sean?

[DJ Wells]

He was running right past him, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah. So I thought I was gonna go. Pick Ray Felton, man. Shout out to Ray Felton, man, my partner now, but. And then seventh, I knew. I knew it was either five or seven. I never worked out for six. Six was Portland. I ain't never work out for them, so I didn't want. I knew I wasn't going there. And seven. Toronto was my best workout, to be honest. Okay.

[DJ Wells]

It's a hell of a city you're drafting.

[Bishop B]

I love Toronto.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yo. Toronto's one of my favorite cities. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

That's my top city in the league.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And at that time, I never been out the country, which is crazy. So to me, it was dope, man. I had a great. They welcomed me with open arms. I was so sick when they traded my ass my first year. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

I'm like, man, you was only there one year.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, it was six, seven months, man. And then boom.

[DJ Wells]

You had a great year, too, though.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, man, I had to.

[DJ Wells]

Was you all rookie?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Who they trade you for?

[Charlie Villanueva]

T.J. ford. Daniel. Yeah. So new GM came in, and, yeah, man, they needed a point guard, so, like. Cause I was either playing the three, I was playing the four. Sometimes Boss played a five when him and I play together. So it's four or five.

[DJ Wells]

So perfect, though.

[Charlie Villanueva]

They wanted a point guard, though, man. So get a new jam comes in and. Yeah, and got. But they did me dirty. I know y' all heard. Y' all heard how they did me.

[Host DJ Wells]

No, for the people who don't know. We'd love to hear it again.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So I'm doing an appearance in Toronto on draft night. They draft Bargnani.

[Bishop B]

Oh, that sound.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, I said, okay. They could play the same. Okay, he plays, you know, the four, the three. Possibly play the three, four, three, four, five type shit. I'm like, okay, maybe they want us to all play. They want to play a big lineup. All right, cool. So I'm talking to Sam Mitchell at the time, he was our head coach, and Brian Colangelo, and they were like, there's a lot of people calling to trade. To trade for you.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But the only way we gonna trade you is if Michael Jordan comes out of retirement.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I'm 21 years old at this time. So I'm like, bad. I'm good. MJ ain't coming back. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

So I'm here.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, man, 24 hours later, I was gone. Got rid of me. 24 hours. Not even 24 hours. As soon as I left that appearance and got home the next day, I was gone.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Host DJ Wells]

How'd you find out? Did you find on tv? Did your agent hit you or.

[Charlie Villanueva]

No, my agent didn't hit. My brother hit me. How about that? Randomly. My brother had a girl at the time. Somehow his girl knew before anybody knew.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

She was like, in the mix with Northern. It's not as girl. That's it. I don't know what was the relations there, but Shorty told my brother and my brother, yo, you just got traded. I ain't get tr. I call my agent, I get your. No. Hour later, I get that. Was it 416 number? I said, oh, yeah, your ass is gone.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Hell, I was so sick, bro. I was like, to where? Milwaukee. Oh, shout out to. But it didn't shout out to Milwaukee.

[DJ Wells]

No lie.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Milwaukee's fire. I love him. But my first impression was like, damn, this is weird. Let's say. Come on. But as soon as I got there, the love was crazy. I had a great time, man. I still do things with Milwaukee, man. And the city loves me, man, so it's good vibes, for sure.

[Host DJ Wells]

Now, you did spend, like you said, a couple coffee in Toronto. But you was around for a crazy performance up there in Toronto.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, man. It's crazy, I guess. Sorry, wifey, but

[DJ Wells]

I apologize.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Wife. I was out all night last that night.

[DJ Wells]

We keep it there.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I was in the streets, man. I was in the street. Heavy, man. Yeah. You know what I mean? Had a good time. And it was one of them nights where I was just. I ain't getting no rest. And it so happened to be one of the best performances I had on the court. Come on, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I don't know how that worked, but that works. Anytime I go out, I get buckets the next day.

[Bishop B]

That's a bad recipe.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And I'm trying to change my life, trying to do right and man, but I'm at fuck. I gotta go out, man, and get wasted. And it worked out, man. I had one of the. A good performance that day for sure. Chris Bosh went out, he ended up getting hurt. So they just featured me and shit was rolling, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Speaking of Chris Bosh, one of the most underrated Power four in my opinion of all time. Obviously, health issues, cuz. Career, living trouble. But Chris Bosh was a dog. I know a lot of people saw him from the Miami stuff, but Chris Boss was a real killer. What was it like playing on the team with a guy like that?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah, it was dope, man. Cause I learned a lot from him, man. Now, he was a couple years older than me, but just having another versatile because he can play, you know, inside out type type, just had me under the wing. He kind of took me under the wing. So it was dope, man, to kind of. To play with him because. Pause. Whoa. That was crazy.

[Bishop B]

That was wild.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That was fun.

[Host DJ Wells]

You guess you're good.

[Charlie Villanueva]

My bad, my bad. But yeah, man, so it was dope, man, because, you know, he's a solid all star. He should be hall of Fame. I don't even know if he's hall of Fame yet.

[DJ Wells]

But he is, bro. He gotta be, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He gotta be, right? He's not in it.

[Host DJ Wells]

I don't know if he's individually, but he definitely has.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, he got the act, he got the resume.

[Bishop B]

That team.

[DJ Wells]

Listen, Toronto years. Chris Boss was insane.

[Host DJ Wells]

Come on, man. 13 years career, man. Yeah, come on, man.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, he was, he was, he was, he was a truth, man.

[DJ Wells]

Y' all ever play one on one in practice?

[Charlie Villanueva]

I'm sure we did. I mean, we used to go at it, bro. Yeah, we used to go at it, man. It was hard. Cause I mean, he's a lefty, bro, so it's hard sometimes guarding lefties and shit. But he was super talented, man. And we definitely went at it. 100%. We went at it, man. It was dope, though.

[DJ Wells]

Who's one of your most toughest matchups in the NBA that you can remember?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Dirk? Tim Duncan.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Durk was. I used to love playing Dallas because I knew I couldn't guard him and he couldn't guard me. I was too mobile for him. But guarding Dirk, bro, like, there's nothing you can do with that, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

Legendary fade away.

[Charlie Villanueva]

There's nothing you can. He's gonna get to his spot and he's gonna do the fade away shit. And you can. All you can do is just pray he misses. But it don't matter how you contest, he's still gonna get the shot off. And he was tough, bro. And then Tim Duncan was Mr. Fundamental, bro. He was so basic, bro. For sure. So basic. So efficient and effective, man. Don't talk shit, don't do nothing. He's just a true professional. Go out there, does his job and kill everybody. Keeps it moving, bro. It's humbling. Too respectful. Hell, yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

Especially underrated players. In Milwaukee, you play one of my favorite two guards of all time, Michael Redd, man.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Him, Red.

[Host DJ Wells]

People don't give Michael Red enough credit, man. Especially the way the league is. He would definitely stood first. Obviously, he was an all star back then, too. But today, Michael Ray would really kill today's NBA, man.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Oh, man, you know that. That three ball, man was money, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Come on, man.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You couldn't leave him open at all, man. I love playing Mike Red, man. He's solid. Solid. Good brother, too, man.

[DJ Wells]

Not to get out of basketball too much. I wanted to ask you about, like, seeing you big and real Spade. How'd you fall into that shit, bro? You damn near the man in that.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So what's crazy is I retired in 2016, and by the way, I'm super big on that financial literacy. Yeah, because they don't really. They don't really. Well, I didn't really know about finances. You know, I come from welfare, bro. And all of a sudden you get all this bag. So now you're depending on others, right, to kind of run your. Yeah, but I tell a lot of guys is you got to take the initiative and learn. You're going to know your money better than someone else, right? So. Or you're going to take care of your money better than someone else will. Yeah. So when I retired in 16, I was like, man, what the fuck do I do now? Like, I didn't. I didn't know. I was 31 years old, bro. Like, I played 11 years. I'm like, what do I do now? So at that time, my brother got into real estate. He was a realtor. And then I was like, fuck it. Let me just get into this shit. And, you know, he was finding. Finding me the properties in Houston. He would find me the properties. I'd Just buy them. I didn't even know how the fuck. And leverage my money. I didn't know. And I can get real deep with it. Pause. But

[Bishop B]

I ain't learn no more, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

With the current step basketball.

[Bishop B]

Get your mother.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But yeah, man. So. And then I started investing in New York, Houston. And then my wife got into. Got into it. And then now I'm hands on when we do it in Dallas. Now we. We flipping prop. I'm flying, bro. I'm rolling. True story. I'm pulling up to the property in the Rolls Royce, but I'm picking up trash like I'm demoing shit like I got my hands dirty. Cause I wanted to learn the business. And. And my wife was a ride or two, man. She was right there throughout that whole process. And. And, you know, one property led to two properties. Two properties led to 11. And then just kept growing the portfolio and then just keep flipping or keep building new. New construction. So it was. It's been. It's been doing well for me.

[Host DJ Wells]

Now be here. That's our guy. You know what I'm saying? He's a chef. He tapping with all the restaurants. You got a spot out of Houston, man. You need to pull up, man.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You did your homework, man. So I. I wanted to diversify and, you know, let me jump into the. The hospitality business. And it's. It's hard. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's not. Not. It's not easy. Because when we opened up, it was right before COVID hit. So it was like six, seven months before COVID hit.

[DJ Wells]

That's when Covid hit.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Now we shut down.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

For. And the good thing is, at the time is that the city at the time owned the space that was our landlord. And they was like, yo, you don't have to pay rent. Cause we had to pay rent. And this shit, my nigga, we done. Yeah, it's over with. So it took about two or three years for us to reopen again. So then when we reopen again, it's just like, you know, it's just a slow grind, bro. It's a grind. It's a grind.

[DJ Wells]

What's it called?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Culture. It's right downtown, right by minuteme. By minute. Houston Astro play.

[DJ Wells]

Damn, that's my second hometown, man. I'm about to pull up.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I know the owner, man. He can hook you up.

[Bishop B]

We go to everybody.

[DJ Wells]

I ain't even know, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

It'll be his second home hometown, man. You know. So you got a slide, my boy Culture.

[DJ Wells]

With a K. With a K. What's

[Host DJ Wells]

a special on there? What we need to try, cuz we gonna pull up for real.

[Charlie Villanueva]

There's some shrimp, grits, fried fish.

[Bishop B]

That shit. Shit, that's Mike.

[Host DJ Wells]

Shit, Mike. Grits Mike. And fried fish at any restaurant we go to.

[Charlie Villanueva]

There it is.

[DJ Wells]

That's a stable then. So you got a soul food spot.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, soul food is a soul food spot.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, we gonna pull up definitely our

[Bishop B]

lane time for real hookah in there.

[DJ Wells]

Hookah, Hookah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

We can make some arrangements. I don't need.

[DJ Wells]

I just. I know in Houston, that's the thing. Hookah and lamb. Then Charlie looked at me a little different.

[Host DJ Wells]

One thing I want to talk to you about, man, you was early and the player damage and social media, man. What was that moment like with you and Scott sky with the twee and a half, man?

[Bishop B]

Yeah, he's hokey story, so.

[Charlie Villanueva]

True story. Right? So I'm. I was always big in technology, right?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So when Twitter. When Twitter dropped, my brother was the one that kind of put me on to it. So I set up an account or whatever, but in reality, I never managed this. My brother did so low key. My brother was the one that did the tweet.

[Host DJ Wells]

Line drive.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I just took a hit. So when he did it at halftime, it was whatever, right? But that was like the first time somebody's ever done that, like during the game. So they everybody thinking it's me, but in reality it wasn't me. It was really my father. But I took the hit for them. I mean, I wasn't gonna snitch on them at that time, obviously, but, you know, I took the hit. But yeah, man, that shit went viral. Yeah, that shit went crazy, man. But then they ended up putting NBA came with a rule like you can't Tweet after like 90 minutes before the game or some shit like that. And it was called the Charlesville Nueva rule.

[Host DJ Wells]

Wow.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, man, I couldn't tweet no more.

[Bishop B]

I ain't got no rules. I gotta do something crazy. That's crazy.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Hold on, man, let me get some of that.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah, tap in. I know you drink, Nick.

[Charlie Villanueva]

My bad. I drink a little bit.

[Bishop B]

Got a cup.

[Host DJ Wells]

Come on, man.

[Bishop B]

I heard.

[Host DJ Wells]

Have a good time.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

Oh, we got bar center.

[Bishop B]

Be here.

[Host DJ Wells]

He feeling Barbie tonight, man.

[Bishop B]

Get that on camera, man.

[DJ Wells]

Go pass it to my guy.

[Host DJ Wells]

Shouts for the game, man. Shouts for the game.

[Bishop B]

Game.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Stay hydrated too. At the same time.

[Host DJ Wells]

Come on, man. You know what time it is.

[DJ Wells]

Would you drink your water first, then take the shot?

[Charlie Villanueva]

No, I put the water in here.

[DJ Wells]

What?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, got.

[Host DJ Wells]

It's just like on the rocks.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Ain't no new.

[DJ Wells]

That's how.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's how you stay hydrated.

[DJ Wells]

I'll keep you going all night, Charlie. Also, you going drink for.

[Host DJ Wells]

That's crazy.

[DJ Wells]

Keep going.

[Bishop B]

Keep going all night.

[Charlie Villanueva]

At one point. Yeah. Laughing. Not laughing. Jeff, when you come to the league?

[Bishop B]

09.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Okay, so 11 when we had the lockout.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I thought the season was over. It was a rap. I thought we was gonna lose a year, man. I went 28 out of 31 days. Went drinking, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I was having withdrawals, all types of shit, fam. When I just stopped and they said, yo, you gotta come back. Yeah, yeah. I had a. I had a.

[DJ Wells]

Well, you went 28 days without drinking?

[Charlie Villanueva]

No, with. I drank 28 days.

[DJ Wells]

Were you half a fifth or him

[Host DJ Wells]

asking measurement at that time?

[DJ Wells]

I mean, I like measurement.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Pause. Wow.

[Bishop B]

Yo, he. Wow. In the day. I like measurements now.

[Host DJ Wells]

I like measurements.

[Bishop B]

I can't wait. I can't wait till Monday morning.

[DJ Wells]

That's a flag.

[Bishop B]

What? I can't wait till Monday morning.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But, yeah, man, that drinking was, was, was, was. And I speak about it now, and I joke about it. Yeah, but at that time, there was some dark days, man. Detroit was some dark days for me, man. But I don't got those. Obviously I don't got those issues now. But, you know, in Detroit was my. Some of my darkest days. I don't know if you experienced that, Jeff, where you had, like, some dark days and shit, man.

[Bishop B]

Nah, I lived with all my homeboys, so it wasn't even really too dark.

[Host DJ Wells]

Nah.

[DJ Wells]

So where did you pick up the water and the liquor drink, though?

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's over time after being a professional. After time you.

[DJ Wells]

I'm not going over tap in, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, you threw the water. I mean, it's the same. Got ice, right?

[DJ Wells]

Y. This is just a little bit for me. I get straight to it. Yeah, she hit the blood straight to it.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But I have hair in your chest there, huh?

[DJ Wells]

A few. I shave it. I got a few pieces of.

[Host DJ Wells]

Man, let's just talk some f H, man. Cuz this what they doing the pie, man. We got Charlie be here. We got to do it. It Do People need to put more respect on BAM's 83.

[DJ Wells]

I feel shit.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I'll be loving because 83 is 83. You gotta respect that first.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yes.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's hard to do, man, because not many has done it right. Obviously, it's just the last six minutes. I wasn't feeling it.

[Bishop B]

What are you supposed to do, though? You would have did the same thing.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Facts. But remember, I was on the court when I saw the 81.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So that 81 and that 83 is not the same. I mean, I'm gonna keep it real. Kobe was. Was he legit gave us a. Like we was throwing all types of at him and he was making everything fucking bam. Like it looked like it was more orchestrated. Right. You know what I mean? Like the 43 free. Whatever he meant 40 plus free throws. I mean, you can't do nothing about that. They following you. Yeah, but that end when you filing and you up 20 and you following to get another possession. Nah, I ain't with that.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Host DJ Wells]

Why?

[Charlie Villanueva]

What's wrong?

[Julian Edelman]

Nothing's wrong.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Long.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Doug]

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[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Doug]

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[Liberty Mutual Bird Guy]

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[Doug]

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[Liberty Mutual Bird Guy]

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[Doug]

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[Liberty Mutual Bird Guy]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.

[Lily Herman]

You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens?

[Liberty Mutual Bird Guy]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Stephanie Young]

They would uncover a disturbing two more men who'd been through the same thing.

[DJ Wells]

Greg Gillespie and Michael Mancini.

[Stephanie Young]

My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Laura Scottsdale Police.

[Stephanie Young]

As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Bishop B]

I with it. As a coach.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah. As a coach.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah. Cause he's like, yo, I'm gonna take care of my plate.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Well, I remember I was on the court and I saw the 81. That was different shit.

[Host DJ Wells]

81?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah. No fouling and trying to. Nah, they wasn't doing none of that. So I, I respect it though. I don't want to come.

[DJ Wells]

So you respect about 60 other points?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah, he 70 was probably legit. Yeah, 70 was like legit. I respect about 70 of it.

[Host DJ Wells]

Okay, what's the huddle like when like somebody like, all right, I got Kobe or I got Kobe, like at one point did it just become demoralizing at that point? Because you look at everybody Going off. You said they sending doubles and triples and then just.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He had 50 and it was still the third quarter.

[DJ Wells]

Fuck was he talking shit to y'? All?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Kobe was a killer, bro.

[DJ Wells]

He didn't say nothing. Damn, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

It probably Snake probably do, bro.

[DJ Wells]

That is so I can respect Charlie's take on it, because he was in

[Charlie Villanueva]

for that reason. I'm on the statue, so I respect it, man.

[Bishop B]

He was getting.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I was shot over.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, he got like 20 of those.

[Charlie Villanueva]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, no. Hold on,

[Liberty Mutual Bird Guy]

dude.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Doesn' it was me. And one more. The player that did not get a bucket scored on Byrne.

[Bishop B]

Oh, you ain't switching that up.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I ain't guard that, but I ain't really guard him. But. No, it's true story, though. I didn't get a bucket on him at all. Me and I think Eric Williams, I think it was.

[Host DJ Wells]

So that was y'.

[Bishop B]

All.

[DJ Wells]

So why weren't you helping then?

[Charlie Villanueva]

You ain't going for the double. I didn't want that smoke. I'm a kid, bro. I'm like, rookie. No, you not. I'm like, nah, you.

[DJ Wells]

That was your moment.

[Charlie Villanueva]

N for what? And then the thing is, he has 60 against Dallas in three quarters. This one Kobe was on, bro. He was the own one. So we was like, all right, it let Kobe get his. Don't let the other guys do their thing, man. Yeah, I ain't thinking that backfire. Kobe did his thing, man.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah. That's when Kobe was looking off, smushing them. He was not on that with nobody. He was going through that tough life stuff off the court. Kobe was killing.

[Bishop B]

He was.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, he was killing, man. And the way he did it, man, we was throwing all types of shit at him.

[DJ Wells]

Damn, man. So you basically giving all the bucks to Jalen Rose.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Jalen got like about 60. I don't know.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Mo Pete.

[Host DJ Wells]

Shout out to Mo Pete, Michigan State legend.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Matter of fact, they both got Mt.

[DJ Wells]

I didn't know that.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Maybe 55. And Mo Pete, he got about another 20. And then, like the fill in. Yeah, the fill in joints.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Crazy.

[Host DJ Wells]

All right, man. On some hoop shit. While you here, Charlie, I want to ask y this question. Shout out to bj. Brandon says on Twitter,

[Bishop B]

Ronnie James starting bj.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Charlie, I gotta ask y' all a question.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yes, sir.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah. LeBron James, I come across top 15

[DJ Wells]

PG in the league.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You feel like he deserved to be in the league?

[Bishop B]

Yeah, it's LeBron. So.

[DJ Wells]

Yes, bro, he earned it.

[Bishop B]

Giannis brothers are in the league.

[DJ Wells]

He earned it.

[Bishop B]

He's all American, bro. Like McDonald's. He got the same jersey as you, bro. No, he got the same jersey as you, bro.

[DJ Wells]

The same ranking as Charlie.

[Bishop B]

He was, yeah.

[DJ Wells]

His l was about 7:2.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

I don't want.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Look at the black trucks to pull up. That's what it is.

[Bishop B]

They are.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I got it. Heard you. Heard you. I got you.

[DJ Wells]

You. So you. You ain't. I'm just saying, though, you don't you with it.

[Bishop B]

He's starting now.

[Charlie Villanueva]

As a father.

[DJ Wells]

Yes, as a father, for sure.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Oh, my God. Of course. I'll do that for my son, too. No a th percent, but, like, is it deserving?

[Host DJ Wells]

Not a real finesse. If he get Bryce in the league. If he get Bryce in the league.

[DJ Wells]

Bryce.

[Bishop B]

How he get Bryce?

[DJ Wells]

No, Bryce is in the chamber. We sat out this year, you feel me, to prepare for next year. Next year we coming back for Avengers. 15 PPG per game next year.

[Charlie Villanueva]

15?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, for Bryce.

[Host DJ Wells]

Lock it in.

[DJ Wells]

Lock it in.

[Host DJ Wells]

All right.

[Charlie Villanueva]

My mama said, when two men have an argument, next word should be bet. I'm with that.

[Host DJ Wells]

But now there was a conversation. Shout out to Trace. I mean, Vince. And they said his response was, they not better than Demar and pg. So of those four shooting guards we just mentioned, who would y' all take is your favorite? Who y' all think is the best out of those?

[DJ Wells]

Oh, who said what?

[Bishop B]

Tracy McGrady.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Tracy McGrady events versus PG and Demar.

[Host DJ Wells]

But I ain't gonna put a verses. But of those four, who, as y' all say, is number one? Because there's a lot of accolades across all those gentlemen. A lot of career establishments. All gonna be hall of Famers.

[DJ Wells]

Debo, my nigga. That's my dog. Yeah, like, I focus Demar Derosan, but T. Mac and Vince, boy, but better stop bullshitting.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But if you look at the numbers,

[DJ Wells]

yeah, Demar is up there for sure.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Look at the numbers.

[DJ Wells]

We talk about Demar every day.

[Charlie Villanueva]

It's close.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, we talk about Demar every day.

[Bishop B]

I'm gonna take out of all them. I'm gonna take Deebo like he won the most out of all of them.

[DJ Wells]

Him. And he got 20k.

[Bishop B]

He got 20k. I think he might be higher than him on the scoring list, too.

[DJ Wells]

He top over Vince. I don't know where Vince played 20 years, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

Deebo17. I love to see the out time score list, but also sleep in that conversation. I know people feel differently about him, but Paul George, Paul George. Career is fire. And he got hurt at the height of his career as well.

[DJ Wells]

We talked about that yesterday.

[Host DJ Wells]

And from a standpoint, point, PG tops in earnest, too.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah. The money is if I got buckets. I'm sorry, bro. Vince Carter, insanity insane.

[Bishop B]

If you go with their.

[Host DJ Wells]

Come on.

[Bishop B]

As a player.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

I think Tracy McGrady's the best 100. Then it's the Vince, then it's Vince. But if you go, like, overall career, I'm taking DeMar DeRozan.

[Host DJ Wells]

I agree over PGS. Because PG postseason career. I know they joke about the playoff. He. But hey, I might say. I might say. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Perk.

[Host DJ Wells]

P.

[DJ Wells]

Definitely.

[Host DJ Wells]

Hey, I don't know. PG was battling against Braun in the east, bro. And the faces. We can't hit pg. That's a fact.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Ah, bro. Vince Carter was insane for Toronto and New Jersey.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, he was, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

But he lost.

[Bishop B]

AR did more than Toronto.

[Charlie Villanueva]

TMAC will hurt. TMAC is the injuries.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

TMAC was.

[DJ Wells]

TMAC was premium.

[Charlie Villanueva]

one point, he might have been like, the. One of the best in the league.

[DJ Wells]

They had him above Kobe a certain couple years.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Absolutely.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

PG and obviously, DeMar DeRozan never been the best in the league. Right?

[DJ Wells]

That's true.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So to me, that's why I give the edge to the older cats. And T. Mac, I'm saying.

[Bishop B]

But they going.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Correct. Well, they going careers.

[Bishop B]

But Vincent T. Mac, they're not even close to absurd. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[DJ Wells]

That's no disrespect.

[Charlie Villanueva]

No disrespect at all. No disrespect. No.

[Host DJ Wells]

Those are all hall of Famers.

[DJ Wells]

People know how we feel about him. I think he might. Well, he a competitor, but he. He might say T. Mac like who demar?

[Bishop B]

Oh, yeah. I think at his peak, I think everybody in the world know T. Mac

[DJ Wells]

was the best out of all four, though that Blue Stars jersey hit different.

[Bishop B]

Come on, man. But he just got hurt.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He couldn't stay healthy, man. But T. Mac, who. One of my favorite players growing up.

[DJ Wells]

All right, now the new one, some shit that Jeff started is the James Harden D. Wade. Have y' all touched on.

[Charlie Villanueva]

No, we touched on pause, but we did touch on that topic.

[DJ Wells]

Was Jeff out of pocket?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Who you got?

[Bishop B]

I ain't got nobody, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I picked Jake.

[DJ Wells]

Scared of the trucks. You picked James, too?

[Charlie Villanueva]

I picked James, too.

[Bishop B]

I respect. He said two.

[Host DJ Wells]

He already knew.

[Bishop B]

Who. I said, hold on, hold on. Line him up.

[Charlie Villanueva]

The eye test told me D. I mean D. D. Wade right away.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And then, man, Hong was reading me the. The numbers James got every category.

[DJ Wells]

Every, every category.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So I'm like, oh, look at these shit.

[DJ Wells]

Some shit.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But yeah. So I'm like, James to me.

[Host DJ Wells]

And the other one that people put a lot of weight into that hardware, but.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And then you got.

[Bishop B]

He got the chip.

[DJ Wells]

But I take a Finals MVP over a regular season mvp, though.

[Host DJ Wells]

That's a fact.

[Bishop B]

I wouldn't.

[DJ Wells]

How I did it. I played with a bunch of.

[Bishop B]

That was respect to D. Wade.

[DJ Wells]

I don't have 36.

[Bishop B]

He was killing. But like, a regular season MVP is more to me. Right? Cause your team is like. Your team gotta be good to win a championship, bro. Everything gotta go right to win a chip. Like, I really got a ring because everything went right for us. James Harden roll his Terence. Hamstring. Kyrie, roll his ankle. Everything gotta be perfect. Regular season, most of the time, all the best players play. That's true for 60 plus games. And you the best out of all them.

[DJ Wells]

Nigga, I averaged 36 I didn't get. And there's respect to Andre Iguodal, but those. Those MVPs is two totally different.

[Bishop B]

That's what I'm saying. No disrespect to Andre Golla, but he got a Finals mvp. He didn't come close to a regular season mvp. We didn't even hear that.

[DJ Wells]

Okay, we're gonna get off. Andre

[Bishop B]

Dre was like me. Plus Drake was like me, bro.

[DJ Wells]

So you would rather have a regular season MVP than a Finals?

[Bishop B]

I just was the best player in the nv. NBA, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, he's right. Right. Cause you can have a good series and be mvp. That don't mean you're the best in the league. But mvp?

[Bishop B]

You're playing in the league after Mark

[Host DJ Wells]

Cuban, how he talked about his PTSD up here, about what Dwyane Wade did to them. Them four games in a row.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So y' all with D. Wade?

[DJ Wells]

I'm D. Wade, 100%.

[Host DJ Wells]

I'm going D. Wade, 3. James Harden for Yeah, but I feel like it's not a wrong answer because Skill, James. Oh, yeah. Skill. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Dwayne don't even have the moves.

[Charlie Villanueva]

James got James in Houston.

[Bishop B]

Come on.

[Host DJ Wells]

They look crazy.

[DJ Wells]

L is scoring and assist. Come on. I respect it.

[Bishop B]

A was guarding him from behind him.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, that was a scout behind him.

[Bishop B]

I've never heard that, bro. All right. It. Let's go to the basket. We gonna stay behind.

[Charlie Villanueva]

True story. So when he got traded to Houston, he played Detroit the first game, which was us. He'll score 55.

[Bishop B]

He played us the next game.

[Charlie Villanueva]

55.

[Bishop B]

What do you give us? 40. 47. Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Next game, Atlanta, it's like a different bro. And then there's the. With the. With the.

[Bishop B]

The.

[Charlie Villanueva]

The filing. Yeah, he mastered that shit. Nah, James. James Harden is the truth.

[DJ Wells]

I love Jay. I just think he's a true. And I don't know how he feel when we sit down and talk to bro, but that Finals MVP, how Wade got it, bro, I averaged 36, and everybody played with me was 40.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Party.

[Bishop B]

Nah, it's cold.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But it's close, though. It's not like a landslide. Nothing like that. But James two killers.

[Bishop B]

Way to kill it all.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But respect.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. How the hell they get you to do podcasting, man? You got all this going on. How they get you to follow?

[Charlie Villanueva]

You know what's crazy? Like, I. I didn't know. Like, I would actually enjoy this, bro. Yeah, it's funny, but not funny, but funny. But, you know, I have alopecia. I can't grow hair.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I never been in the barbershop like that. I can laugh, Talk. I just imagine that's how barber.

[DJ Wells]

You never. You ain't never pulled up to bar just to kick it, though.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I lost my at 10 years old, man. My fault, man. Lost the at 10 years old. It was a rap. The was gone.

[DJ Wells]

What's up?

[Charlie Villanueva]

So. So when I got with them fellas, you know, Ray and Theo, they started off first I was a guest on their show, and then, you know, I liked it, bro. Like, I was natural, and it was the thing that I like, you know, in the league, I was a politician, bro. I'm gonna be honest. I was an employee, so I had to fall in line. I did my shit professional. I wasn't starting no shit. I just did what I had to do and keep it moving.

[DJ Wells]

Right.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Right now I'm my own ball. Can't tell me, oh, no, you copy your. Now I'm talking, you know, and people like, there ain't no CV talk like this.

[Bishop B]

I didn't.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I ain't know like this. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get down n. For sure.

[DJ Wells]

For sure that y' all show is dope, bro. Y' all be starting a lot of. On the.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

My man home be starting this.

[DJ Wells]

So it start from home, and then it go to the rest.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And then Theo be crashing now, and then Ray be like, with the UN he be giving you, like, the. The facts.

[Bishop B]

And, yeah, he'll never go.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He be on some P. Right?

[Host DJ Wells]

ISO can be hilarious. He start talking slow and everything, giving

[Charlie Villanueva]

me advice while I'm going in like, right? Come on, man. Like, chill. Let me get.

[Bishop B]

He'll never get outside the wood if

[DJ Wells]

you ever regretted something you said on there though.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah, hell yeah. Nah, I don't bro. Like now, like, I just talk my bro. No, I just talk my. And just, you know.

[DJ Wells]

Know. Only reason why I ask because, you know, we had a little conversation about the Joe and Bron Joe. The last.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Oh, oh, the ISO Joe. Yeah. No, I mean, listen.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, call back.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, yeah, I like that. So

[DJ Wells]

I had no problem the last second.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But to answer your question, it's something to look at, fam. It's something to look at. I mean, I see what you said.

[DJ Wells]

Talk about something to look at at. We know what we looking at. You said.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I mean, that's what the I said, right? Am I drunk?

[DJ Wells]

D Probably give yourself some more water. This is what you said. You said. Damn. After, after bro said that, you go, just stay tuned. I don't remember Dog Charles was like, I'm gonna around take Joe for one.

[Bishop B]

I'm taking Joe for sure.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I mean, you've seen it for years. So yeah, low key. I mean, ISO Joe. I mean, his name is ISO. On one play, I might.

[Bishop B]

What year was that he had hit the most game winners or something?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, he hit one on us.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, he hit like seven game wins

[Charlie Villanueva]

with Dallas, as a matter of fact.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, he got a reputation for.

[Charlie Villanueva]

See the thing is, who was it? ISO and LeBron, right?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So pause. But I always like the ball in LeBron's hands, bro. Cause he gonna make the right play.

[Bishop B]

He gonna make the right play.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He gonna make the right play, man. And a lot of people, he gets. He gets fucking killed for that shit. Ah, LeBron take the fucking last shot. Like. Nah, he's doing the right shit sometimes. But you right though.

[Bishop B]

ISO Joe is second in NBA history.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's crazy.

[Bishop B]

10 season spring.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So yeah, I respect it. I respect it.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, I got Joe.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

That's crazy now.

[DJ Wells]

That is crazy.

[Charlie Villanueva]

N. You ain't by the landslide though. Like, it's. It's close.

[Host DJ Wells]

You know, I ain't mad at it.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Disagree.

[DJ Wells]

I mean, if you need a three, probably gonna take. Yeah, I'm Freaky Joe.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Every single time.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, every single time.

[Host DJ Wells]

That's crazy. LeBron gets criticized on making the right play. Like he gets you open shot for game. Like you didn't shoot it. It's like, damn, I got my shooter. The best shot he could get for game. You just happened to miss a.

[DJ Wells]

That's tough though, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Because when you put them in the category of like Kobe and MJ. That's not their DNA. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? LeBron is different, bro. Like, he gonna make the right play. So that's why he gets crucified. Cause he's not in the same. He don't have the same mentality as.

[DJ Wells]

But if we down one, you. You damn near gotta take that, bruh.

[Bishop B]

Got you.

[DJ Wells]

I don't give a fuck who's open, bro.

[Bishop B]

He can get to the basket like

[Charlie Villanueva]

whenever he wants, bro. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

So I'm them taking.

[Bishop B]

Did you play Ron in high school?

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah, never played him in high school. Y' all remember? You remember ABCD camp?

[Bishop B]

I went there.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You went there?

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I was MVP of that. Just put that out. I was MVP. LeBron had a broken arm. That's when LeBron broke his arm.

[Host DJ Wells]

Oh, God.

[Bishop B]

I was sleeper at the camp, the table. That's a fact.

[Charlie Villanueva]

No, I seen him play a bunch of times, but we never crossed paths in high school. You know, he was number one. Lu all was number two. I was number three. It's crazy that me and Lou were same team.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, that's nuts.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Two in the third.

[DJ Wells]

I had a raw class. What was old boy name I fucked with? Nanubi. Ebi or some shit.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Bucky. Yeah. Ndb.

[DJ Wells]

Ndb.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Ndb.

[DJ Wells]

He was raw too.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Disaster. Bring that clip up him. Who bounced on him?

[Bishop B]

You know what I mean? Oh, no.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And McDonald's on, man.

[DJ Wells]

You poked on my guy. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Hey, what are you doing? You wilding today?

[Host DJ Wells]

Hey, listen, while we here, man, it's playoff time. We your mvp.

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[Charlie Villanueva]

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[Lily Herman]

Ready for a different take on Formula one? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.

[Stephanie Young]

Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.

[Lily Herman]

The story of the sport's most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious his F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both. He started getting all this attention and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this, I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Stephanie Young]

In 2023, former Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed

[Lily Herman]

glaring inconsistencies in her story.

[Stephanie Young]

This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.

[Lily Herman]

You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens? Correct. I doctored the test once.

[Stephanie Young]

It took an army of Internet detectives to crack the case.

[Lily Herman]

I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant.

[Stephanie Young]

They would uncover a disturbing two more men who'd been through the same thing.

[DJ Wells]

Greg Gillespie and Michael Maranchini.

[Stephanie Young]

My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Laura Scottsdale Police.

[Stephanie Young]

As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen. Breaking news at a Maricopa county as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.

[Lily Herman]

This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.

[Stephanie Young]

Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lori Siegel]

I'm Lori Siegel and on Mostly Human I go beyond the headlines with the people building our future. This week an interview with one of the most influential figures in Silicon Valley, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman.

[Sam Altman]

I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to products we put out in the world.

[Lori Siegel]

From power to parenthood, kids, teenagers, I

[Sam Altman]

think they will need a lot of guardrails around AI. This is such a powerful and such

[Lori Siegel]

a new thing, from addiction to acceleration.

[Sam Altman]

The world we live in is a competitive world and I don't think that's going to stop even if you did a lot of redistribution. You know, we have a deep desire to excel and be competitive and gain status and be useful to others. And it's a multiplayer game.

[Lori Siegel]

What does the man who has extraordinary influence over our lives have to say about the weight of that responsibility? Find out on Mostly Human.

[Sam Altman]

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[Lori Siegel]

Listen to Mostly Human on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I ain't gonna front. I've been on my. I've been on this one BE train, bro.

[DJ Wells]

No, fuck no.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Sga.

[Bishop B]

Yes.

[DJ Wells]

Yes, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Got it. He gonna get it. But to me, the league is gonna push the narrative of Wemby.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, you are.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Because I think Wemby's gonna be the face of the league for sure. Normally it's an American player. Because the league wants to go global, they gonna push for Wemby.

[DJ Wells]

He the perfect fit.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He's a perfect fit, bro. So I'm on this wimy train, bro.

[DJ Wells]

I see him locking it down next year for sure. I just think Shane locked it in

[Charlie Villanueva]

with it's special, bro, for sure. And they young. They young. They whooping, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

In my opinion. And that's the crazy part about sga. They try to give it to other people this year. You talk to Luke and stuff late in the season. The joker obviously deserving, but SGA, bro, like they lose one or two games in a six month span. Like he averaging 30 and he's shooting

[Charlie Villanueva]

efficient like he's 50.

[Host DJ Wells]

Plus 50, 40, 90. Averaging 30.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Come on, fam.

[Host DJ Wells]

But if Wimpy played like he's been playing the last two months, if he started doing that in January, I think he would have probably got the MVP knock because he start talking, hey, hey, y' all talk about offense. I'm the best defender in the league and I average 25.

[DJ Wells]

It ain't his numbers was just too inconsistent though. Yeah, we talk about NBA every day on our morning show. Yeah, he'll go 30. Then he might have 19. Like that's. I think that's kind of hurt him a little bit. But they got a full T22.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

No, he's a puck on a minute restriction and everything. All right, I like the odds here. If you a bet, man, Hard rock bet. You know What I'm saying? Negative 250 for SGA. Easy money. Plus 225 for Win B plus 1,500 for Luka, plus 6,000 for Joker and plus 25 for Jaylen Brown. And JB obviously won't get it, but he's damn near had all NBA for sure. Oh, 1,000. But he's, in my opinion, he in the top three for MVP.

[DJ Wells]

He has to be first. First team got him top three.

[Host DJ Wells]

Who winning for MVP? No, I'm talking about for Jalen.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Jaylen Bryant.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I don't know why he always gets like overlooked, bro. What he did for fucking Boston. What he did when JT was gone for sure, man. He surprised the shit out of me because I didn't think Boston was gonna be one of the top teams in the East.

[Bishop B]

I didn't either. Nah.

[Host DJ Wells]

And that was a conversation in the summer. Everybody was just like, what is first option Jay LeBron look like? And they didn't really do much of that roster and they never cooled.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I'm rolling, superstar. He is super. He don't get enough credit though, man.

[DJ Wells]

He don't. It's just.

[Bishop B]

He gotta go to Vegas, bro.

[DJ Wells]

It's different over there.

[Host DJ Wells]

You do.

[Charlie Villanueva]

And to the expansion.

[DJ Wells]

Yes, bro. Get your own team.

[Bishop B]

That's the only time he gonna get his own team.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's a fact. Cause he's always gonna be second fiddle, T. Damn.

[Host DJ Wells]

Okay, we got the clip right here. Okay.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Bring me back

[Host DJ Wells]

vhs.

[Charlie Villanueva]

My man Chris Paul with the nice pass. Tough pass. Hey, take that.

[Host DJ Wells]

Hey.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, that was cool.

[Host DJ Wells]

And he failed too.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Bishop B]

Did the B head.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's.

[DJ Wells]

That's crazy.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Oh, wow.

[DJ Wells]

And you double down with it.

[Host DJ Wells]

That.

[DJ Wells]

That's crazy. Ain't no edit.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That was wild. I a say that.

[DJ Wells]

That's insane.

[Host DJ Wells]

He did push that celebration crazy. But then, homie, holding up brother, though.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's my brother. Yeah, that's my brother.

[Host DJ Wells]

Y got to get your brother a

[DJ Wells]

lot of

[Charlie Villanueva]

my brother, man. Shout out to my brother.

[Host DJ Wells]

Oh, that was a crazy game. All right, man. We got some of the AVP odds who might get the chip this year. How you feeling, man?

[Charlie Villanueva]

The chip?

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

Sga. Okay. See? Repeat.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah. Hell yeah. Absolutely.

[Bishop B]

I'm rolling with that too.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Okay. See, I've been preaching that since the beginning of the season, bro. You know what's crazy? They coach Mark. I can't say his last name. Mark B. I'm Pa.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That crazy. I'm drunk. Gun.

[DJ Wells]

Where you playing with that looking?

[Charlie Villanueva]

He was our. He went to Yukon. He was our manager.

[Host DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

On the chip. For real. He was our man. He was giving me waters and. Dead ass. I'm my bullshit. I'm my partner now. Damn.

[DJ Wells]

He'll tell you. That's crazy though. He went to you about that though,

[Charlie Villanueva]

you know, so I'm not for him having this success. I'm not surprised, man. Cuz he. He saw. He worked his way up, bro.

[DJ Wells]

We literally just talked about. About people in the basketball world having these. You think Jobs and they work their way to the top.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, bro.

[DJ Wells]

It's crazy.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I love that shout outs to man to mark man. Because I seen it. Yeah, I seen it. You know, doing the stats, being the manager, grabbing water, rubbing on the floor with the towel.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Charlie Villanueva]

A head coach of the NBA team and want to chip. I would have never thought that, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

And he got that team rocking too. Because who come in the game. Everybody come in to get that off, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

OKC that I love. And you don't see this and Jeff, you can agree to this is how together they are. Oh, that's do the interviews. All of them. Oh yeah. That is fine.

[Bishop B]

Like a college team.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So you can tell they with each other off the court too.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Most of the time we don't really with each other, man. Like it's.

[DJ Wells]

You ain't have a team that you like jail with everybody.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Nah, I was on some bad teams, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah. The Milwaukee.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

We have over two or three dudes.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Dudes that we with. But the team.

[DJ Wells]

The whole team.

[Sam Altman]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Damn.

[DJ Wells]

NBA wicked.

[Charlie Villanueva]

It is wicked.

[Host DJ Wells]

Now last year they took them to seven, but obviously Aaron Gordon was hurt. Can the healthy Nuggets team, you know what I'm saying Might knock OKC off.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

They started catch Rob Payton Watson back Joker still Joker. Jamal Murray looking like. You know what I'm saying? It's that time again.

[Bishop B]

The Nuggets and the Lakers were the scariest team. Now that the Lakers. Everybody hurt.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I think.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

We just overlook San Antonio.

[DJ Wells]

I was about to say San Antonio.

[Host DJ Wells]

Nobody talking about the Spurs.

[Bishop B]

They young though. They ain't never. They ain't been there. Everybody else been.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Was OKC there when they won. They were young too.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. But they got over the hump against the Denver team. They had to beat that Denver team.

[Charlie Villanueva]

They did.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah. This is a lot for the Spurs. They got to go through that fire this. But they are capable. Because if Wi gonna play like this. And the way that squad rocking OKC struggles with. Yeah, it's look three times three though. Who the who the three seeding it was the Lakers.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. I'm saying you rolling with the Lakers. Not no more. I mean, Bronnie starting that point. I'm hyped for that.

[Host DJ Wells]

But yeah, it's probably over.

[DJ Wells]

Aaron not giving.

[Bishop B]

He gotta put that on his next shoe.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah. So the Nuggets gonna basically go be the three, see right now.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Move on. It's gonna sound like I'm a hater.

[Bishop B]

Nuggets see the spurs gotta do with the Nuggets I don't think they can beat them.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That is.

[DJ Wells]

That's a tough matchup.

[Host DJ Wells]

Now, they would have been happy with the Lakers. I don't know if they would have beat them.

[DJ Wells]

No.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Denver, that was special. Special? Yeah, that game was special.

[DJ Wells]

It was for sure.

[Host DJ Wells]

Elite center match up.

[Bishop B]

Jokic ain't even playing serious right now, though.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I don't understand, bro. When you look at yo, you're like, hell no. Ain't no way cold.

[Host DJ Wells]

Nah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

30, 20, and 15.

[DJ Wells]

Easy, though.

[Host DJ Wells]

Easy.

[DJ Wells]

You ain't even surprised looking at them numbers.

[Host DJ Wells]

Top option of all time be here for sure.

[Charlie Villanueva]

It's time.

[Bishop B]

It's 10.

[DJ Wells]

5. 3.

[Charlie Villanueva]

3. You all right? Did you hear yourself? No.

[Host DJ Wells]

He's gonna be mad.

[DJ Wells]

I thought you heard yourself.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Shaq, Kareem Najuan.

[Host DJ Wells]

And Og's gonna say Bill Russell.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I ain't see enough.

[Host DJ Wells]

Give me speculative.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I didn't see it. I didn't see it.

[DJ Wells]

Did you see enough of Bill?

[Bishop B]

I didn't see it.

[Charlie Villanueva]

No.

[DJ Wells]

I'll tell y truth. You see that?

[Bishop B]

He.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He weak.

[Bishop B]

He was weak.

[DJ Wells]

I ain't see it like I seen them numbers. Will was 50 and 20 in the point game. Yes, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

It didn't exist.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You seen the hunter?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I seen it, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I ain't see the Hun.

[DJ Wells]

I seen it, bro.

[Host DJ Wells]

Nobody seen it, bro. It don't exist, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

It don't exist.

[Host DJ Wells]

That's my conspiracy all down the hill, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Like, to me, the Will said no disrespect.

[DJ Wells]

Will average 50 with no threes, bro.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Who you playing against, man?

[DJ Wells]

50 average. That's 20 blocks. That was. See, that was some trick I did on you. You don't with Bill.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I ain't see it. I a see it. I a't see it. You got 11 rings, right?

[Bishop B]

That's what, 11 rings?

[DJ Wells]

Okay, so Joker ain't better than Hakeem.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I don't think so, fam. Not yet. Kim got two rings.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah,

[Bishop B]

I can't, Elijah. I'm cold, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, he cold.

[Host DJ Wells]

But Joker top five for sure.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Cold.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Respect.

[Host DJ Wells]

All right, now, in the east, it's a little tricky, obviously, with KB and I hopefully come back strong for the Pistons. They got a world machine, but we'll see what they do. Celtics? Yeah.

[Bishop B]

I got Celtics coming out the East.

[Host DJ Wells]

I don't believe in Knicks. Cavs got a squad. Your Hawks playing Well, it could really just be matchups in the East. I don't think there's nobody that's clear cut.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Boston is. Is pretty solidified, bro. Okay, they are they. Well, Old machine. Solid, man. Boston is solid. With JT back, I think they gonna miss out. I like Cleveland a lot, but that James Harden. True, right. The playoff with James Harden, is he gonna finally get over that hump?

[DJ Wells]

I got him getting over it.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, I got him, too.

[Host DJ Wells]

But that's two people on that team who got. You know what I'm saying? Finally break that playoff stigma with him and Donovan Mitchell. We know Donovan Mitchell be killing, but he ain't got past the second round either.

[DJ Wells]

I haven't mentioned. I ain't never had no co pilot like this, though.

[Host DJ Wells]

That is a fact. And Evan Mobley and Jerry Allen the way that. You know what I'm saying? James got that offense running. Vibes is high, man.

[Bishop B]

They got all the ingredients to win.

[Charlie Villanueva]

We have this argument all the time with James Harden. I mean, with Donovan Mitchell. Can you win with a small guard? When's the last time being your number one option? When's the last time a small guard been a number one option

[Host DJ Wells]

win? I'll probably say no.

[Bishop B]

SGA.

[DJ Wells]

He's.

[Charlie Villanueva]

He's not. I mean, he's 64. He's 64. He's tall.

[Bishop B]

Donovan Mitchell, like 64. 63. 64.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Is he.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, he taller than me.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, he can get it done.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's fair.

[DJ Wells]

Shay is a. You know, Shay is Shay.

[Host DJ Wells]

But yeah, we be a little.

[DJ Wells]

That's probably it, though. So you have 62.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You got.

[DJ Wells]

You got a legit. You probably 5, 11.

[Charlie Villanueva]

You probably got.

[DJ Wells]

You probably got legit argument.

[Bishop B]

You was a lot.

[DJ Wells]

I'm 72 inches, cuz.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Whoa. Measurements over here.

[DJ Wells]

Crazy six foot.

[Bishop B]

Come on, bro. Just tell me how. Sorry, I don't like talking to inches. I don't like that.

[Charlie Villanueva]

This couch is turned, bro. Inches and measurements.

[DJ Wells]

You got a fair argument, man, y' all are childish. You got a fair argument, though. I don't think you can win with a small guard on too many teams, though. That is true.

[Charlie Villanueva]

True. With like, Steph. Steph is different. Best shooter in the world. Best PG of all time.

[DJ Wells]

That's a. That's a good one. Steph got what, four?

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

That's really round them.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Bunch of hall of famers.

[Bishop B]

Look at who around him.

[Host DJ Wells]

He got two J.

[Charlie Villanueva]

But that's why I think they can get over the hump, cuz. Now Donovan Mitchell finally has a solid number two option.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah. And he don't have to worry about creating for other people. He can just go get 50. I'll make sure everybody else involved in the game just go kill cuz. Jared Allen. Been looking crazy with James Harden. That got Keon Ellis and got your guy then thrown off the bench. They got a talent to rock.

[Bishop B]

They got a good team.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, I think the eastern playoffs is going to be real shocking, man, because I don't think there's a clear cut at all.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Can I roll him with Detroit, though?

[Host DJ Wells]

I. I love Detroit, man. If Cade is healthy, I. I'll take the Pistons out the East.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah.

[Host DJ Wells]

If Cade come back, if Kate is back healthy. I think the way that that second end have been playing, man, Jaylen Duran looking like an all NBA player.

[Bishop B]

He is.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I'm not rolling. You're nothing. Home, you sleep.

[DJ Wells]

Like I said. With all that being said, I don't know, bro.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I don't know. It's just because I played there and my time there didn't go so smooth. But I don't know, fam. I just don't think they could beat Boston fam. Or Cleveland. I know they're the best team in the east, but I still think I still got Celtics and Cleveland ahead of him. And Hawks is balling now, too. Now they balling my favorite team.

[DJ Wells]

But Mar Odomacoma for the Hawks, bro. Yeah. A coma sleep.

[Host DJ Wells]

He is risen.

[DJ Wells]

Dem out of here. 14 strokes, 10 heart attacks.

[Charlie Villanueva]

I'm a partner Hawks.

[Bishop B]

That's hello to go.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Hawks are never how many strokes? How many strokes? I told you. Y' all ready for that? All right.

[Host DJ Wells]

No, we will see, man. Playoff time will be here for sure, man. Charlie V. Man, we appreciate you sliding on this, man. Tap into the pod, man. Go ahead and promote a restaurant and the pod one more time, man, so the people can pull up and support.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yeah, culture you support. Check us out, man. And then the pod. We go Monday to Thursday YouTube live to the Baja with Theo Pinson.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

D. Wills just joining the squad too, man. And we got okay so hard.

[Host DJ Wells]

Yeah, he's on the real comfortable, man. Sorry.

[Bishop B]

We definitely not playing y' all no more.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlie Villanueva]

So, yeah, we got D Will. Yeah. We got some muscle behind this ball. Damn.

[DJ Wells]

Got some what I hear we got

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[Charlie Villanueva]

All.

[Host DJ Wells]

We'll catch y' all next time. Club 520.

[Charlie Villanueva]

Yes, sir.

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