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Charlie Villanueva
No, I can't even get that, bro. I grew up on welfare, man.
Bishop B
Okay.
Charlie Villanueva
I. I ain't really. We ain't. We ain't really had the bread like that, man.
Host DJ Wells
Okay, man, we trying to bring the church back, man. We trying to bring the next back. Make sure my boy Charlie get one, man. Shout out to Hard Rock bet be him. We gotta lay, man. Let's get this money, man. Final four weekend. You cash in for sure, man.
DJ Wells
You look, just take Ucon.
Charlie Villanueva
Nah, but that. That's not what y' all was saying, though.
DJ Wells
Who?
Charlie Villanueva
Oh, you were saying.
DJ Wells
UConn all the way. Yeah, yeah.
Host DJ Wells
He got New Jersey. Yeah, he's at the old Bradley.
Bishop B
New Jersey over there.
Charlie Villanueva
Oh, okay, My fault, my fault. You tapped in.
DJ Wells
Yeah, respect.
Bishop B
I definitely was saying, I got Michigan. I had Michigan.
DJ Wells
Yeah, Florida at first.
Bishop B
Yeah, I had Florida at first.
Host DJ Wells
Okay. Yeah, yeah, we gonna see what happens. But be here. It's almost NBA playoffs. We're going crazy with the legs, dj.
DJ Wells
We gonna win either way.
Bishop B
Hey, Ryan started at point guard, so I got the Lakers now.
Host DJ Wells
Listen, if you want to feed your family for eons, take the Lakers under, under, under. It will feed families, man. Shout out to Hard Rod. Bet we gonna get y' all paid, man. Shout out to StockX, keeping us fresh in the set as well. Shout out to Blackfest Podcast Festival, April 25, Atlanta, GA Club 520 Live Show T. Back in the. Hey, man, what's going on with it back home, man?
Bishop B
Back home, bro.
Host DJ Wells
The outside show don't be here.
Bishop B
Oh, shit.
DJ Wells
Can't wait. Hopefully it don't rain. Hopefully the weather is about 70. 75.
Bishop B
Ooh, I take 70. My boy be sweating like it was 95. Go ahead, man.
Host DJ Wells
Respectful. We'll see y' all in the Amen. For sure, man. Special guest in the building. Introd him. Blast as usual. To my far left, we got my dog Bishop B. Hitting out the priest.
DJ Wells
How you.
Host DJ Wells
What? Nasty.
DJ Wells
Cool and nasty. I'm ready for this one, man.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, you been. You've been waiting for this episode, man. One of you guys, you speak highly on that team, too, man.
DJ Wells
For sure. For sure, man.
Host DJ Wells
Yes, sir, man. Still Tom. All right. We got my dog, Young Nacho. Young Tig. How you? What?
Bishop B
Good, bro. I mean, I'm the first one to issue the. You know, the beef with the Baja, so I'm glad he. I wanted to remember we was going to hoop. We was going, what, four on four? Yeah, I was guarding Charlie, so it was. It was cool, man.
DJ Wells
Ray lost a lot of ways.
Charlie Villanueva
He did. Yeah, he did.
DJ Wells
Ra. I seen him. I seen him in the gym.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah.
Bishop B
We got to cancel the game.
DJ Wells
No, don't cancel.
Host DJ Wells
We got a little help. We got game still got.
Charlie Villanueva
He was getting to it.
Bishop B
Okay, we gotta chill out.
DJ Wells
For sure.
Host DJ Wells
Come on, man. We wait on this guest, man. Come on, man. 11 year event. National champ, man. Straight to the Baja right now. The one only Mr. Tribe in the way. But, Big dog, we appreciate you sliding on tonight, man.
Charlie Villanueva
Appreciate it for having me, man.
Host DJ Wells
Long time coming. Yeah. See, now, listen, man, we was talking about the pause. I hear wanting smoke, you know what I'm saying? We ain't spared nobody. They came up, and I like the response video, too. They said, let's get it.
Bishop B
They went at it, right? I like how y' all responded.
DJ Wells
You still hooping? Hell, no.
Charlie Villanueva
No, we were like, all right. Be hand. Dj. We good, dad. Damn. He a little active. He might be still active. I don't know. You still hooping?
Bishop B
Yeah, I still hooping right now, then. Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
I mean, I can.
DJ Wells
You good half around, get some shots up now.
Charlie Villanueva
I can make. I can.
Bishop B
You always can shoot.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, we can shoot all the other.
Bishop B
Yeah, yeah, I can shoot. But Theo's still hooping, though.
Charlie Villanueva
Theo is active in the Rico. Puerto Rico right now. Hooping.
DJ Wells
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
So that was our only hope. We was gonna just feature him. Feature him, let him do his thing.
Host DJ Wells
That really gonna be the matchup gonna be Marcus? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get on the work, bro. For show, man. Let's start, man. IU rumors, man. You know, obviously Indiana, is it true that there was a possibility that you and Lu Aldnegue was going to be going to EDN Universe? We were, of course, we were fans.
Charlie Villanueva
Okay.
DJ Wells
That was real.
Charlie Villanueva
Yes, there was actually. Mike Davis was a coach.
Host DJ Wells
Shout out to Mike Davis.
Charlie Villanueva
We took an official vision, me and Lu all Deng, obviously. We played together in New Jersey and high school together and send a pj. And at the time, I think. I don't know how true this was or not, but Indiana was like the number one, like party schools and shit like that. Oh, it still is.
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Really?
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
They kept saying this shit, right?
DJ Wells
So I'm like, okay, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
But I had a great time. And after I left Indiana, I was like, me and Lu all were talking be dope for us to play Reunite and play Indiana. So we was going to commit to Indiana. Low key. I don't think I ever sold this story publicly, but we was going to commit because Mike Davis was nil before.
Host DJ Wells
I like his style before.
Charlie Villanueva
I can talk freely now, But. And then Lou pulled the audible on me. It was like, yeah, I'm going. I think I'm gonna go to dude and that me up because I'm like, all right, cool. And then I ended up committing to Illinois.
Bishop B
Yeah. Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
So I committed to Illinois. I don't know if you want me to go down that store. You want me to go down that.
Host DJ Wells
That's what Bill. So yeah, yeah, okay.
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
So Bill Self was there here, but they were recruiting me heavy. And Illinois was dope. I ain't gonna lie. They. They said the PJ. I mean, I'm 17 years old. I'm from the hood. 17 years old. I'm on the PJ. And I know my wife over there. But the good thing is I can say she understands. But they have five girls waiting for me with Charlie's Angel. Shirts off.
Host DJ Wells
That's hard.
DJ Wells
Illinois.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah.
Host DJ Wells
Shout out to Rick Box. Where they go? The real recruit trip.
Bishop B
Yeah, that looks like Miami Tech.
Host DJ Wells
Miami Tech.
Charlie Villanueva
You know, I'm 17 years old, man. You know what I mean? So.
DJ Wells
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah. And they show love. They show love. Show, man. I had a great time. I committed on the spot.
DJ Wells
That's fire, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
I committed another spot. Oh, this is how y' all moving? Yeah, I'm here. But Yeah, I had a great time. And then Coach Self ended up going to Kansas.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
So like maybe like two months after I verbally committed. Cause there was no reason for me to sign. And I was like, fuck. And then I think Bruce Weber came in. Bruce Webber, I think that's the name he came in. I ain't really know him like that. I didn't really have a relationship with him like that. I was cool with D World, Luther Head, D. Brown. Shout out to them dudes, man. Good peoples, man. But. And then I was like, man, you know what? I'm gonna go to Kansas. So took a visit to Kansas. I'm from New York. No tornado hit Kansas.
Host DJ Wells
If it was ever a sign that
Charlie Villanueva
you didn't even tell me to go to the basement in, I was like, nah, I'm good. I went in the was all pretty and I come out. This is all up outside. So I'm like, nah, this ain't it, bro. So with Yukon, I ended up going to Yukon by accident, bro. To be honest. I was like, yo, I want to be close to home, but I kind of want to be far away. Say it. Yukon. And that's how. That's how legit. I already took my five visits. And then I took my unofficial visit to go to UConn. Obviously. I didn't even talk to the coaches or nothing. I was hanging out with BG the whole time. Ben Gordon. Shout out BG Gordon from New York. So we vibe we play together at au. So I've known him for a minute. And I also knew Talik Brown. That name, Rinza Bell, he from New York as well. So it was like a matter of like, all right, fuck it, I'm coming here. And at that time, they were ranked number one. Preseason.
DJ Wells
Yeah, that was a loaded team, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
I'm like, oh, shit. All right, cool. Fuck it. Come on.
Host DJ Wells
What's so crazy is you could have been on the Illinois scene. We already talk about that triple headed monster, Dee Brown. Luther head deep. Well, boy, you wanna ask Woody, so.
Charlie Villanueva
And then they went to the finals and played UNC the next year. But, you know, I ended up winning in my first year. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I made the right decision.
Host DJ Wells
You made a great decision.
DJ Wells
How was that, man, playing with Emeka Okafor?
Host DJ Wells
He was big, underrated college star.
Charlie Villanueva
Super underrated, man. Super humble dude. Hard worker, man. Like that dude was a gym rat, bro. He was in the gym day in and day out. And he was a good student too. I'm like, damn, how can you Manage both of them. He was a straight A student type. And then, you know, he was. You know, he was our best player, man. He was. Who carried us throughout the year. And then you add Ben to the mix.
Host DJ Wells
Come on, come on.
DJ Wells
Have the squad. Was Denim on that team?
Charlie Villanueva
Denim Brown.
DJ Wells
That was my boy on Marcus Williams.
Bishop B
Yeah, the squad.
Host DJ Wells
Okay. Marcus Williams.
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
He ended up falling off. He became ineligible, like, halfway.
DJ Wells
Yeah, that's my dog. He a menace to society.
Charlie Villanueva
Nah, he's solid. He's solid.
DJ Wells
That's my dog.
Host DJ Wells
Josh Boone was the first Billy game. Because everybody used to argue, man, he white. I'm like, man, Josh Mooney is not white with the Kardashian braids.
DJ Wells
That was a crazy front court that y' all had, though.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, we did. Yeah, bro, we was. We was nice, man. We got. Hell no. I'm showing, too.
Bishop B
Hell yeah.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah. Y' all had the legendary picture. We all had the fire kicks on and ankle socks. Legendary moment. Nobody had no crew socks at all.
Charlie Villanueva
You talking about.
DJ Wells
Are you nasty for that?
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Hold on, hold on. So when we did the shoot, they said they not gonna get our feet. Cause we was looking crazy. Oh, and then threw the motherfucker's feet in there. I'm like, bro, find the picture.
Host DJ Wells
Somebody had on. Who had on the eight Slam.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, yeah, I had the eights.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, you had the eight. So I lost the ace. The Eggo socks was crazy.
Bishop B
They went, though. That's when nobody was wearing, like, high socks no more besides me. Nah.
Host DJ Wells
But they all had on heat, though. That's what I respected about.
Charlie Villanueva
Nah, I think one of the guy. Air Force Ones.
Host DJ Wells
It was ones. Yeah, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
We was looking crazy, though. They did this dirty, man. They did this dirty for sure.
Host DJ Wells
I got you. I got the pig.
Charlie Villanueva
Say, that's crazy.
Host DJ Wells
What was that like, though? Obviously, you was there two years, but a freshman year, coming in with a loaded team already. And y' all straight got to it. Y' all had a damn near flawless season, I always say. Thank you because I'm a Duke hater. So y' all taking care of Duke that first Final Four game. I always appreciate. But what was that moment like? Man, that run.
Charlie Villanueva
That run was crazy, man. We started off preseason number one, and obviously we ended up number one. But it was a roller coaster. I mean, we lost his games, bro. Yeah, we lost this game to, like, teams that we shouldn't have lost to. So the thing I always say is being number one is always hard because everyone's coming for you. And the only way. The only the only way you can move is go down. You know what I'm saying? So pause. That sounds crazy.
Bishop B
That is kind of crazy.
Charlie Villanueva
That's us.
Host DJ Wells
There you go.
Bishop B
Legendary pig.
Charlie Villanueva
Come on. They did this dirty as.
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Host DJ Wells
The Miz. That's what got me. The Miz had. I was like, The Miz with the ankles is dying.
DJ Wells
Is that America?
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, that's him.
Host DJ Wells
BG had that on, though, as usual. Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
That's just legendary to this day.
Host DJ Wells
Hell, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
That's funny. What the. I was talking about the run, bro. Oh, yeah, the one. The run. The run of mine. So we ended up losing six games or whatnot. And then I remember we lost to Georgia Tech. They beat our ass in New York in Madison Square Garden. And that's the team that I wanted to see again with Georgia Tech. And that so happened. We saw them again. Oh, we blitzed they ass. We blitzed them, bro. But, yeah, man, it was dope, man. That was the first time with the man. And woman won. The first time ever. So campus was lit.
Host DJ Wells
You can't be lit.
DJ Wells
Hell, yeah.
Bishop B
That's just so.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, it's cold. Yeah. Cause there's nothing out there. Ain't really not much out there. But it's lit, though, when you first got there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that's some crazy weather. It's a vibe. Yeah. Remember, I'm from New York, though, so I'm used to that. Oh.
Host DJ Wells
Now, obviously, freshman year, when it. Did you think about leaving your freshman year?
Charlie Villanueva
Absolutely. But ain't nobody in Jim Calhoun's ever done except for Andre German did a one and done. If you go to UConn, you're not doing a one and done, bro. Really? Under Calhoun.
DJ Wells
Oh, okay.
Charlie Villanueva
And the only one that did it was Andre Drummond. But he did it towards the end of Calhoun's tenure at UConn. But you're doing a minimum. But he don't tell you that. He lures you in. And then, you know, he was. He was fucking with me a little bit. You know, I was coming off the bench. I was starring. I was coming off the bench. And then we won. He flat out told me, if you leave, I'm not supporting this move.
Host DJ Wells
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
That's sad.
Bishop B
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
But I also. He was like, but there's an opportunity. For now, it'd be your team. Cause Ben and the Mecca were leaving. So I was like, all right, cool. I'mma give you one more year. He was like, that's all I need
DJ Wells
was you on the board late.
Host DJ Wells
Okay, okay.
DJ Wells
You made the right decision right Decision for sure. Because that next year. Who came in? Rudy. Is that Rudy in there?
Charlie Villanueva
Rudy came in next year.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Bishop B
Cuz think about. Rudy didn't leave either. That's crazy.
DJ Wells
He did.
Charlie Villanueva
That's why I. Ben, Rip Ray, Darnell Marshall, Karan, Butler, you all Kimber.
DJ Wells
At least. At least two of them.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Minimum of two years.
Host DJ Wells
Gonna do a video. What was like playing for Coach Calhoun? Wild.
Charlie Villanueva
That boy's wild. He will curse you out, bro. He'll curse you the fuck out, man, and then build you back up, man. Calhoun was a tough coach, man, but I appreciate. I ain't valued him until I left. Like, damn, this dude is legit, bro. He a good dude, man. Great coach. Obviously, his resume speaks for himself. Hall of Famer. Solid dude, man. Solid. It was tough. It wasn't easy. I was a McDonald's All American coming in, and, you know, I'm thinking I'm gonna shine right away and shit.
DJ Wells
And then I had a fire class, too. What you think your nil bag would have been? Jeez.
Bishop B
Shit. He already had Charlie Dangers.
DJ Wells
Yeah,
Charlie Villanueva
no, you good, you good, you good.
DJ Wells
I'm saying, would it have played an effect, though? That's why I'm asking you to choose from Illinois. I know coach left and shit, but if they had that bag still, what would you. No, the bag was still there.
Charlie Villanueva
The bag was still on the table. But I'm just like, nah, I just don't got a relationship, so, I mean, the bag would have been crazy.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah. Respect to Coach Silver. Bill S definitely on the nil as well.
DJ Wells
Gave you about five.
Charlie Villanueva
Remember, I was McDonald's on American. Top three in the country now.
DJ Wells
So I'm doing you a little low. 5. A little low.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah. 5 might be a little low.
Host DJ Wells
You need that. You getting that, AJ debenzi, you hear me?
Charlie Villanueva
I feel. No question. No question.
Host DJ Wells
So for seven out of. Out of high school, you're going to BYU for the seven elves?
Charlie Villanueva
You damn right.
DJ Wells
Yeah, I'm going.
Bishop B
Hey, would have been no trolls. Shake the bed. It's over with. I'm not no going to byu.
Host DJ Wells
And I was laughing, man, after they last game, they showed AJ Right in the whip. He was not.
Charlie Villanueva
He even go back to the room. Gangs belonging.
Bishop B
He went straight to la.
Charlie Villanueva
Pocket full of money, man.
Host DJ Wells
That's a fact. Now, obviously, what's going on right now with Dan Hurley having a crazy win at UConn. We was talking to some fans yesterday. They said if he get one or he get another one, is it time for conversation in that men's Program, one of the best coaches around.
Charlie Villanueva
That's a fact. You gonna have to. Yeah. I mean, he won back to back going to the final. Well, playing in the championship game three out of four years. I mean, Coach Calhoun is great hall of Famer. He won three. If you win three, you're in the conversation. Yeah, you're in the conversation.
DJ Wells
So he in and now, bro. Yeah, he in it right now, bro.
Host DJ Wells
In the conversation now. A little bit more.
Charlie Villanueva
One more was like, all right.
DJ Wells
Pushing him in the top five.
Charlie Villanueva
He flirting with it, though. He's flirting with the top five.
DJ Wells
Okay.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah. I mean, respect.
Charlie Villanueva
Who else. Who else you got up there?
Host DJ Wells
You look at a lot of legendary college coaches. A lot of people that we gave a lot of respect to and deserving. So only got one.
Bishop B
Like, is a.
Charlie Villanueva
Exactly like Bayha.
Host DJ Wells
Like legendary coach. Nothing. Respect. Come on. Got one.
Charlie Villanueva
But in a short period of time, dominating it.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
You know what I mean? So he's setting up the culture, man. And, and, and. And Yukon Wright, man. He's doing his thing, man. What's crazy is I've known Dan for a minute, too, so he coached St. Benedict's in height was high school, where J.R. smith went. Let me tell you something about Gerald. I'm gonna give him a quick shout out my goat. The best high school players I've ever seen in my life, bro. Jail was tough, bro. It was tough. Athletic and shoot the ball. There's nothing he couldn't do. And what's crazy is we. We seen him twice in the state finals. I lost him twice. Two against him, bro. Damn. Against Hurley. So he was doing that. He was being on people back then.
Host DJ Wells
Headbutt, Rush back then.
Charlie Villanueva
But. Yeah, but we cool. We talk about that all the time. And it's always love, man.
Bishop B
Why you ain't go out of high school?
Charlie Villanueva
I did. I did put my name out out of high school. I worked out for Dallas, San Antonio and New Jersey. I was 17 years old and I worked out with them boys. I'm like, nah, a little different.
DJ Wells
Yeah, you weren't strong enough.
Charlie Villanueva
Nah. Hell no. Like, nah. These dudes is moving a little quick, and they were way too strong. And I was like, nah, I need to go back. I need to go. I don't know why I was taken.
Bishop B
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Charlie Villanueva
Oh, no.
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Lily Herman
Ready for a different take on Formula one? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herrman, as we dive into the underexplored pocket of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.
Stephanie Young
Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.
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The story of the sport's most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this, I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Stephanie Young
In 2023, former Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed
Lily Herman
glaring inconsistencies in her story.
Stephanie Young
This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.
Lily Herman
You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens? Correct.
Charlie Villanueva
I doctored the test once.
Stephanie Young
It took an army of Internet detectives to crack the case.
Lily Herman
I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.
Charlie Villanueva
Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant.
Stephanie Young
They would uncover a disturbing two more men who'd been through the same thing.
DJ Wells
Greg Gillespie and Michael Maranchini.
Stephanie Young
My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap.
Charlie Villanueva
Laura Scottsdale Police.
Stephanie Young
As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.
Charlie Villanueva
Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at a Maricopa county as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.
Lily Herman
This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.
Stephanie Young
Listen to the Love Trapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
DJ Wells
That's crazy.
Host DJ Wells
No, well said. All right, man. Obviously, you can go crazy. UConn, second year honors across the Big east board, and it's time to declare. What was your draft process like? What was that summer like? Going to. You know what I'm saying, Become an NBA player?
Charlie Villanueva
It was dope. You know, I, I. You know, I'm from New York, so I stayed in New York the whole time, working out. I worked out for a few teams. I didn't work out for many. I worked out for Toronto, Charlotte twice, and maybe Utah, and that was it. And then Utah had the third pick, Charlotte had the fifth pick, had the fifth and 13th pick, and then Toronto had the seventh pick, and that was it. And I knew I was kind of gonna. I thought really I was gonna go to Charlotte. Cause I had a great workout. They actually brought me back the second time they had me play Charmaine. One on one,
DJ Wells
On one, full court.
Charlie Villanueva
They did me dirty, too. Now. I was tired.
DJ Wells
Now what you play with Sean? Made or.
Bishop B
Sean?
DJ Wells
He was running right past him, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah. So I thought I was gonna go. Pick Ray Felton, man. Shout out to Ray Felton, man, my partner now, but. And then seventh, I knew. I knew it was either five or seven. I never worked out for six. Six was Portland. I ain't never work out for them, so I didn't want. I knew I wasn't going there. And seven. Toronto was my best workout, to be honest. Okay.
DJ Wells
It's a hell of a city you're drafting.
Bishop B
I love Toronto.
Charlie Villanueva
Yo. Toronto's one of my favorite cities. Yeah.
Bishop B
That's my top city in the league.
Charlie Villanueva
And at that time, I never been out the country, which is crazy. So to me, it was dope, man. I had a great. They welcomed me with open arms. I was so sick when they traded my ass my first year. Yeah.
DJ Wells
I'm like, man, you was only there one year.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, it was six, seven months, man. And then boom.
DJ Wells
You had a great year, too, though.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, man, I had to.
DJ Wells
Was you all rookie?
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
DJ Wells
Who they trade you for?
Charlie Villanueva
T.J. ford. Daniel. Yeah. So new GM came in, and, yeah, man, they needed a point guard, so, like. Cause I was either playing the three, I was playing the four. Sometimes Boss played a five when him and I play together. So it's four or five.
DJ Wells
So perfect, though.
Charlie Villanueva
They wanted a point guard, though, man. So get a new jam comes in and. Yeah, and got. But they did me dirty. I know y' all heard. Y' all heard how they did me.
Host DJ Wells
No, for the people who don't know. We'd love to hear it again.
Charlie Villanueva
So I'm doing an appearance in Toronto on draft night. They draft Bargnani.
Bishop B
Oh, that sound.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, I said, okay. They could play the same. Okay, he plays, you know, the four, the three. Possibly play the three, four, three, four, five type shit. I'm like, okay, maybe they want us to all play. They want to play a big lineup. All right, cool. So I'm talking to Sam Mitchell at the time, he was our head coach, and Brian Colangelo, and they were like, there's a lot of people calling to trade. To trade for you.
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
But the only way we gonna trade you is if Michael Jordan comes out of retirement.
Bishop B
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
I'm 21 years old at this time. So I'm like, bad. I'm good. MJ ain't coming back. Yeah.
Bishop B
So I'm here.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, man, 24 hours later, I was gone. Got rid of me. 24 hours. Not even 24 hours. As soon as I left that appearance and got home the next day, I was gone.
DJ Wells
Damn.
Host DJ Wells
How'd you find out? Did you find on tv? Did your agent hit you or.
Charlie Villanueva
No, my agent didn't hit. My brother hit me. How about that? Randomly. My brother had a girl at the time. Somehow his girl knew before anybody knew.
DJ Wells
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
She was like, in the mix with Northern. It's not as girl. That's it. I don't know what was the relations there, but Shorty told my brother and my brother, yo, you just got traded. I ain't get tr. I call my agent, I get your. No. Hour later, I get that. Was it 416 number? I said, oh, yeah, your ass is gone.
DJ Wells
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
Hell, I was so sick, bro. I was like, to where? Milwaukee. Oh, shout out to. But it didn't shout out to Milwaukee.
DJ Wells
No lie.
Charlie Villanueva
Milwaukee's fire. I love him. But my first impression was like, damn, this is weird. Let's say. Come on. But as soon as I got there, the love was crazy. I had a great time, man. I still do things with Milwaukee, man. And the city loves me, man, so it's good vibes, for sure.
Host DJ Wells
Now, you did spend, like you said, a couple coffee in Toronto. But you was around for a crazy performance up there in Toronto.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, man. It's crazy, I guess. Sorry, wifey, but
DJ Wells
I apologize.
Charlie Villanueva
Wife. I was out all night last that night.
DJ Wells
We keep it there.
Charlie Villanueva
I was in the streets, man. I was in the street. Heavy, man. Yeah. You know what I mean? Had a good time. And it was one of them nights where I was just. I ain't getting no rest. And it so happened to be one of the best performances I had on the court. Come on, man.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
I don't know how that worked, but that works. Anytime I go out, I get buckets the next day.
Bishop B
That's a bad recipe.
Charlie Villanueva
And I'm trying to change my life, trying to do right and man, but I'm at fuck. I gotta go out, man, and get wasted. And it worked out, man. I had one of the. A good performance that day for sure. Chris Bosh went out, he ended up getting hurt. So they just featured me and shit was rolling, man.
Host DJ Wells
Speaking of Chris Bosh, one of the most underrated Power four in my opinion of all time. Obviously, health issues, cuz. Career, living trouble. But Chris Bosh was a dog. I know a lot of people saw him from the Miami stuff, but Chris Boss was a real killer. What was it like playing on the team with a guy like that?
Charlie Villanueva
Nah, it was dope, man. Cause I learned a lot from him, man. Now, he was a couple years older than me, but just having another versatile because he can play, you know, inside out type type, just had me under the wing. He kind of took me under the wing. So it was dope, man, to kind of. To play with him because. Pause. Whoa. That was crazy.
Bishop B
That was wild.
Charlie Villanueva
That was fun.
Host DJ Wells
You guess you're good.
Charlie Villanueva
My bad, my bad. But yeah, man, so it was dope, man, because, you know, he's a solid all star. He should be hall of Fame. I don't even know if he's hall of Fame yet.
DJ Wells
But he is, bro. He gotta be, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
He gotta be, right? He's not in it.
Host DJ Wells
I don't know if he's individually, but he definitely has.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, he got the act, he got the resume.
Bishop B
That team.
DJ Wells
Listen, Toronto years. Chris Boss was insane.
Host DJ Wells
Come on, man. 13 years career, man. Yeah, come on, man.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, he was, he was, he was, he was a truth, man.
DJ Wells
Y' all ever play one on one in practice?
Charlie Villanueva
I'm sure we did. I mean, we used to go at it, bro. Yeah, we used to go at it, man. It was hard. Cause I mean, he's a lefty, bro, so it's hard sometimes guarding lefties and shit. But he was super talented, man. And we definitely went at it. 100%. We went at it, man. It was dope, though.
DJ Wells
Who's one of your most toughest matchups in the NBA that you can remember?
Charlie Villanueva
Dirk? Tim Duncan.
Bishop B
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
Durk was. I used to love playing Dallas because I knew I couldn't guard him and he couldn't guard me. I was too mobile for him. But guarding Dirk, bro, like, there's nothing you can do with that, bro.
Host DJ Wells
Legendary fade away.
Charlie Villanueva
There's nothing you can. He's gonna get to his spot and he's gonna do the fade away shit. And you can. All you can do is just pray he misses. But it don't matter how you contest, he's still gonna get the shot off. And he was tough, bro. And then Tim Duncan was Mr. Fundamental, bro. He was so basic, bro. For sure. So basic. So efficient and effective, man. Don't talk shit, don't do nothing. He's just a true professional. Go out there, does his job and kill everybody. Keeps it moving, bro. It's humbling. Too respectful. Hell, yeah.
Host DJ Wells
Especially underrated players. In Milwaukee, you play one of my favorite two guards of all time, Michael Redd, man.
Charlie Villanueva
Him, Red.
Host DJ Wells
People don't give Michael Red enough credit, man. Especially the way the league is. He would definitely stood first. Obviously, he was an all star back then, too. But today, Michael Ray would really kill today's NBA, man.
Charlie Villanueva
Oh, man, you know that. That three ball, man was money, man.
Host DJ Wells
Come on, man.
Charlie Villanueva
You couldn't leave him open at all, man. I love playing Mike Red, man. He's solid. Solid. Good brother, too, man.
DJ Wells
Not to get out of basketball too much. I wanted to ask you about, like, seeing you big and real Spade. How'd you fall into that shit, bro? You damn near the man in that.
Charlie Villanueva
So what's crazy is I retired in 2016, and by the way, I'm super big on that financial literacy. Yeah, because they don't really. They don't really. Well, I didn't really know about finances. You know, I come from welfare, bro. And all of a sudden you get all this bag. So now you're depending on others, right, to kind of run your. Yeah, but I tell a lot of guys is you got to take the initiative and learn. You're going to know your money better than someone else, right? So. Or you're going to take care of your money better than someone else will. Yeah. So when I retired in 16, I was like, man, what the fuck do I do now? Like, I didn't. I didn't know. I was 31 years old, bro. Like, I played 11 years. I'm like, what do I do now? So at that time, my brother got into real estate. He was a realtor. And then I was like, fuck it. Let me just get into this shit. And, you know, he was finding. Finding me the properties in Houston. He would find me the properties. I'd Just buy them. I didn't even know how the fuck. And leverage my money. I didn't know. And I can get real deep with it. Pause. But
Bishop B
I ain't learn no more, man.
Host DJ Wells
With the current step basketball.
Bishop B
Get your mother.
Charlie Villanueva
But yeah, man. So. And then I started investing in New York, Houston. And then my wife got into. Got into it. And then now I'm hands on when we do it in Dallas. Now we. We flipping prop. I'm flying, bro. I'm rolling. True story. I'm pulling up to the property in the Rolls Royce, but I'm picking up trash like I'm demoing shit like I got my hands dirty. Cause I wanted to learn the business. And. And my wife was a ride or two, man. She was right there throughout that whole process. And. And, you know, one property led to two properties. Two properties led to 11. And then just kept growing the portfolio and then just keep flipping or keep building new. New construction. So it was. It's been. It's been doing well for me.
Host DJ Wells
Now be here. That's our guy. You know what I'm saying? He's a chef. He tapping with all the restaurants. You got a spot out of Houston, man. You need to pull up, man.
Charlie Villanueva
You did your homework, man. So I. I wanted to diversify and, you know, let me jump into the. The hospitality business. And it's. It's hard. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's not. Not. It's not easy. Because when we opened up, it was right before COVID hit. So it was like six, seven months before COVID hit.
DJ Wells
That's when Covid hit.
Charlie Villanueva
Now we shut down.
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
For. And the good thing is, at the time is that the city at the time owned the space that was our landlord. And they was like, yo, you don't have to pay rent. Cause we had to pay rent. And this shit, my nigga, we done. Yeah, it's over with. So it took about two or three years for us to reopen again. So then when we reopen again, it's just like, you know, it's just a slow grind, bro. It's a grind. It's a grind.
DJ Wells
What's it called?
Charlie Villanueva
Culture. It's right downtown, right by minuteme. By minute. Houston Astro play.
DJ Wells
Damn, that's my second hometown, man. I'm about to pull up.
Charlie Villanueva
I know the owner, man. He can hook you up.
Bishop B
We go to everybody.
DJ Wells
I ain't even know, bro.
Host DJ Wells
It'll be his second home hometown, man. You know. So you got a slide, my boy Culture.
DJ Wells
With a K. With a K. What's
Host DJ Wells
a special on there? What we need to try, cuz we gonna pull up for real.
Charlie Villanueva
There's some shrimp, grits, fried fish.
Bishop B
That shit. Shit, that's Mike.
Host DJ Wells
Shit, Mike. Grits Mike. And fried fish at any restaurant we go to.
Charlie Villanueva
There it is.
DJ Wells
That's a stable then. So you got a soul food spot.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, soul food is a soul food spot.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, we gonna pull up definitely our
Bishop B
lane time for real hookah in there.
DJ Wells
Hookah, Hookah.
Charlie Villanueva
We can make some arrangements. I don't need.
DJ Wells
I just. I know in Houston, that's the thing. Hookah and lamb. Then Charlie looked at me a little different.
Host DJ Wells
One thing I want to talk to you about, man, you was early and the player damage and social media, man. What was that moment like with you and Scott sky with the twee and a half, man?
Bishop B
Yeah, he's hokey story, so.
Charlie Villanueva
True story. Right? So I'm. I was always big in technology, right?
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
So when Twitter. When Twitter dropped, my brother was the one that kind of put me on to it. So I set up an account or whatever, but in reality, I never managed this. My brother did so low key. My brother was the one that did the tweet.
Host DJ Wells
Line drive.
Charlie Villanueva
I just took a hit. So when he did it at halftime, it was whatever, right? But that was like the first time somebody's ever done that, like during the game. So they everybody thinking it's me, but in reality it wasn't me. It was really my father. But I took the hit for them. I mean, I wasn't gonna snitch on them at that time, obviously, but, you know, I took the hit. But yeah, man, that shit went viral. Yeah, that shit went crazy, man. But then they ended up putting NBA came with a rule like you can't Tweet after like 90 minutes before the game or some shit like that. And it was called the Charlesville Nueva rule.
Host DJ Wells
Wow.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, man, I couldn't tweet no more.
Bishop B
I ain't got no rules. I gotta do something crazy. That's crazy.
Charlie Villanueva
Hold on, man, let me get some of that.
DJ Wells
Oh, yeah, tap in. I know you drink, Nick.
Charlie Villanueva
My bad. I drink a little bit.
Bishop B
Got a cup.
Host DJ Wells
Come on, man.
Bishop B
I heard.
Host DJ Wells
Have a good time.
Bishop B
Yeah.
Host DJ Wells
Oh, we got bar center.
Bishop B
Be here.
Host DJ Wells
He feeling Barbie tonight, man.
Bishop B
Get that on camera, man.
DJ Wells
Go pass it to my guy.
Host DJ Wells
Shouts for the game, man. Shouts for the game.
Bishop B
Game.
Charlie Villanueva
Stay hydrated too. At the same time.
Host DJ Wells
Come on, man. You know what time it is.
DJ Wells
Would you drink your water first, then take the shot?
Charlie Villanueva
No, I put the water in here.
DJ Wells
What?
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, got.
Host DJ Wells
It's just like on the rocks.
Charlie Villanueva
Ain't no new.
DJ Wells
That's how.
Charlie Villanueva
That's how you stay hydrated.
DJ Wells
I'll keep you going all night, Charlie. Also, you going drink for.
Host DJ Wells
That's crazy.
DJ Wells
Keep going.
Bishop B
Keep going all night.
Charlie Villanueva
At one point. Yeah. Laughing. Not laughing. Jeff, when you come to the league?
Bishop B
09.
Charlie Villanueva
Okay, so 11 when we had the lockout.
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
I thought the season was over. It was a rap. I thought we was gonna lose a year, man. I went 28 out of 31 days. Went drinking, bro.
Host DJ Wells
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
I was having withdrawals, all types of shit, fam. When I just stopped and they said, yo, you gotta come back. Yeah, yeah. I had a. I had a.
DJ Wells
Well, you went 28 days without drinking?
Charlie Villanueva
No, with. I drank 28 days.
DJ Wells
Were you half a fifth or him
Host DJ Wells
asking measurement at that time?
DJ Wells
I mean, I like measurement.
Charlie Villanueva
Pause. Wow.
Bishop B
Yo, he. Wow. In the day. I like measurements now.
Host DJ Wells
I like measurements.
Bishop B
I can't wait. I can't wait till Monday morning.
DJ Wells
That's a flag.
Bishop B
What? I can't wait till Monday morning.
Charlie Villanueva
But, yeah, man, that drinking was, was, was, was. And I speak about it now, and I joke about it. Yeah, but at that time, there was some dark days, man. Detroit was some dark days for me, man. But I don't got those. Obviously I don't got those issues now. But, you know, in Detroit was my. Some of my darkest days. I don't know if you experienced that, Jeff, where you had, like, some dark days and shit, man.
Bishop B
Nah, I lived with all my homeboys, so it wasn't even really too dark.
Host DJ Wells
Nah.
DJ Wells
So where did you pick up the water and the liquor drink, though?
Charlie Villanueva
That's over time after being a professional. After time you.
DJ Wells
I'm not going over tap in, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, you threw the water. I mean, it's the same. Got ice, right?
DJ Wells
Y. This is just a little bit for me. I get straight to it. Yeah, she hit the blood straight to it.
Charlie Villanueva
But I have hair in your chest there, huh?
DJ Wells
A few. I shave it. I got a few pieces of.
Host DJ Wells
Man, let's just talk some f H, man. Cuz this what they doing the pie, man. We got Charlie be here. We got to do it. It Do People need to put more respect on BAM's 83.
DJ Wells
I feel shit.
Charlie Villanueva
I'll be loving because 83 is 83. You gotta respect that first.
Host DJ Wells
Yes.
Charlie Villanueva
That's hard to do, man, because not many has done it right. Obviously, it's just the last six minutes. I wasn't feeling it.
Bishop B
What are you supposed to do, though? You would have did the same thing.
Charlie Villanueva
Facts. But remember, I was on the court when I saw the 81.
Bishop B
Yeah, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
So that 81 and that 83 is not the same. I mean, I'm gonna keep it real. Kobe was. Was he legit gave us a. Like we was throwing all types of at him and he was making everything fucking bam. Like it looked like it was more orchestrated. Right. You know what I mean? Like the 43 free. Whatever he meant 40 plus free throws. I mean, you can't do nothing about that. They following you. Yeah, but that end when you filing and you up 20 and you following to get another possession. Nah, I ain't with that.
Julian Edelman
This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jewels. All right, real quick, take a look at yourself right now.
Host DJ Wells
Why?
Charlie Villanueva
What's wrong?
Julian Edelman
Nothing's wrong.
Charlie Villanueva
Long.
Julian Edelman
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Doug
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Charlie Villanueva
Popsicle flavor.
Julian Edelman
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Doug
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Liberty Mutual Bird Guy
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Doug
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Lily Herman
Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored podcast pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.
Stephanie Young
Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon.
Lily Herman
The story of the sport's most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, A cautionary tale or something? Some combination of both? He started getting all this attention and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this, I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Stephanie Young
In 2023, former Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed
Lily Herman
glaring inconsistencies in her story.
Stephanie Young
This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.
Lily Herman
You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens?
Liberty Mutual Bird Guy
Correct.
Lily Herman
I doctored the test once.
Stephanie Young
It took an army of Internet detectives to crack the case.
Lily Herman
I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.
Julian Edelman
Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant.
Stephanie Young
They would uncover a disturbing two more men who'd been through the same thing.
DJ Wells
Greg Gillespie and Michael Mancini.
Stephanie Young
My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap.
Charlie Villanueva
Laura Scottsdale Police.
Stephanie Young
As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.
Charlie Villanueva
Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at americopa county as Laura Owens has been indicted. Indicted on fraud charges.
Lily Herman
This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.
Stephanie Young
Listen to the Love Trapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Bishop B
I with it. As a coach.
Charlie Villanueva
Nah. As a coach.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah. Cause he's like, yo, I'm gonna take care of my plate.
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Well, I remember I was on the court and I saw the 81. That was different shit.
Host DJ Wells
81?
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah. No fouling and trying to. Nah, they wasn't doing none of that. So I, I respect it though. I don't want to come.
DJ Wells
So you respect about 60 other points?
Charlie Villanueva
Nah, he 70 was probably legit. Yeah, 70 was like legit. I respect about 70 of it.
Host DJ Wells
Okay, what's the huddle like when like somebody like, all right, I got Kobe or I got Kobe, like at one point did it just become demoralizing at that point? Because you look at everybody Going off. You said they sending doubles and triples and then just.
Charlie Villanueva
He had 50 and it was still the third quarter.
DJ Wells
Fuck was he talking shit to y'? All?
Charlie Villanueva
Kobe was a killer, bro.
DJ Wells
He didn't say nothing. Damn, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
It probably Snake probably do, bro.
DJ Wells
That is so I can respect Charlie's take on it, because he was in
Charlie Villanueva
for that reason. I'm on the statue, so I respect it, man.
Bishop B
He was getting.
Charlie Villanueva
I was shot over.
Bishop B
Yeah, he got like 20 of those.
Charlie Villanueva
No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, no. Hold on,
Liberty Mutual Bird Guy
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Charlie Villanueva
Doesn' it was me. And one more. The player that did not get a bucket scored on Byrne.
Bishop B
Oh, you ain't switching that up.
Charlie Villanueva
I ain't guard that, but I ain't really guard him. But. No, it's true story, though. I didn't get a bucket on him at all. Me and I think Eric Williams, I think it was.
Host DJ Wells
So that was y'.
Bishop B
All.
DJ Wells
So why weren't you helping then?
Charlie Villanueva
You ain't going for the double. I didn't want that smoke. I'm a kid, bro. I'm like, rookie. No, you not. I'm like, nah, you.
DJ Wells
That was your moment.
Charlie Villanueva
N for what? And then the thing is, he has 60 against Dallas in three quarters. This one Kobe was on, bro. He was the own one. So we was like, all right, it let Kobe get his. Don't let the other guys do their thing, man. Yeah, I ain't thinking that backfire. Kobe did his thing, man.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah. That's when Kobe was looking off, smushing them. He was not on that with nobody. He was going through that tough life stuff off the court. Kobe was killing.
Bishop B
He was.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, he was killing, man. And the way he did it, man, we was throwing all types of shit at him.
DJ Wells
Damn, man. So you basically giving all the bucks to Jalen Rose.
Charlie Villanueva
Jalen got like about 60. I don't know.
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Bishop B
Mo Pete.
Host DJ Wells
Shout out to Mo Pete, Michigan State legend.
Charlie Villanueva
Matter of fact, they both got Mt.
DJ Wells
I didn't know that.
Charlie Villanueva
Maybe 55. And Mo Pete, he got about another 20. And then, like the fill in. Yeah, the fill in joints.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Crazy.
Host DJ Wells
All right, man. On some hoop shit. While you here, Charlie, I want to ask y this question. Shout out to bj. Brandon says on Twitter,
Bishop B
Ronnie James starting bj.
Charlie Villanueva
Charlie, I gotta ask y' all a question.
Host DJ Wells
Yes, sir.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah. LeBron James, I come across top 15
DJ Wells
PG in the league.
Charlie Villanueva
You feel like he deserved to be in the league?
Bishop B
Yeah, it's LeBron. So.
DJ Wells
Yes, bro, he earned it.
Bishop B
Giannis brothers are in the league.
DJ Wells
He earned it.
Bishop B
He's all American, bro. Like McDonald's. He got the same jersey as you, bro. No, he got the same jersey as you, bro.
DJ Wells
The same ranking as Charlie.
Bishop B
He was, yeah.
DJ Wells
His l was about 7:2.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah.
Host DJ Wells
I don't want.
Charlie Villanueva
Look at the black trucks to pull up. That's what it is.
Bishop B
They are.
Charlie Villanueva
I got it. Heard you. Heard you. I got you.
DJ Wells
You. So you. You ain't. I'm just saying, though, you don't you with it.
Bishop B
He's starting now.
Charlie Villanueva
As a father.
DJ Wells
Yes, as a father, for sure.
Charlie Villanueva
Oh, my God. Of course. I'll do that for my son, too. No a th percent, but, like, is it deserving?
Host DJ Wells
Not a real finesse. If he get Bryce in the league. If he get Bryce in the league.
DJ Wells
Bryce.
Bishop B
How he get Bryce?
DJ Wells
No, Bryce is in the chamber. We sat out this year, you feel me, to prepare for next year. Next year we coming back for Avengers. 15 PPG per game next year.
Charlie Villanueva
15?
DJ Wells
Yeah, for Bryce.
Host DJ Wells
Lock it in.
DJ Wells
Lock it in.
Host DJ Wells
All right.
Charlie Villanueva
My mama said, when two men have an argument, next word should be bet. I'm with that.
Host DJ Wells
But now there was a conversation. Shout out to Trace. I mean, Vince. And they said his response was, they not better than Demar and pg. So of those four shooting guards we just mentioned, who would y' all take is your favorite? Who y' all think is the best out of those?
DJ Wells
Oh, who said what?
Bishop B
Tracy McGrady.
Charlie Villanueva
Tracy McGrady events versus PG and Demar.
Host DJ Wells
But I ain't gonna put a verses. But of those four, who, as y' all say, is number one? Because there's a lot of accolades across all those gentlemen. A lot of career establishments. All gonna be hall of Famers.
DJ Wells
Debo, my nigga. That's my dog. Yeah, like, I focus Demar Derosan, but T. Mac and Vince, boy, but better stop bullshitting.
Charlie Villanueva
But if you look at the numbers,
DJ Wells
yeah, Demar is up there for sure.
Charlie Villanueva
Look at the numbers.
DJ Wells
We talk about Demar every day.
Charlie Villanueva
It's close.
DJ Wells
Yeah, we talk about Demar every day.
Bishop B
I'm gonna take out of all them. I'm gonna take Deebo like he won the most out of all of them.
DJ Wells
Him. And he got 20k.
Bishop B
He got 20k. I think he might be higher than him on the scoring list, too.
DJ Wells
He top over Vince. I don't know where Vince played 20 years, bro.
Host DJ Wells
Deebo17. I love to see the out time score list, but also sleep in that conversation. I know people feel differently about him, but Paul George, Paul George. Career is fire. And he got hurt at the height of his career as well.
DJ Wells
We talked about that yesterday.
Host DJ Wells
And from a standpoint, point, PG tops in earnest, too.
DJ Wells
Oh, yeah. The money is if I got buckets. I'm sorry, bro. Vince Carter, insanity insane.
Bishop B
If you go with their.
Host DJ Wells
Come on.
Bishop B
As a player.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Bishop B
I think Tracy McGrady's the best 100. Then it's the Vince, then it's Vince. But if you go, like, overall career, I'm taking DeMar DeRozan.
Host DJ Wells
I agree over PGS. Because PG postseason career. I know they joke about the playoff. He. But hey, I might say. I might say. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Perk.
Host DJ Wells
P.
DJ Wells
Definitely.
Host DJ Wells
Hey, I don't know. PG was battling against Braun in the east, bro. And the faces. We can't hit pg. That's a fact.
Bishop B
Yeah.
DJ Wells
Ah, bro. Vince Carter was insane for Toronto and New Jersey.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, he was, bro.
Host DJ Wells
But he lost.
Bishop B
AR did more than Toronto.
Charlie Villanueva
TMAC will hurt. TMAC is the injuries.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
TMAC was.
DJ Wells
TMAC was premium.
Charlie Villanueva
one point, he might have been like, the. One of the best in the league.
DJ Wells
They had him above Kobe a certain couple years.
Charlie Villanueva
Absolutely.
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
PG and obviously, DeMar DeRozan never been the best in the league. Right?
DJ Wells
That's true.
Charlie Villanueva
So to me, that's why I give the edge to the older cats. And T. Mac, I'm saying.
Bishop B
But they going.
Charlie Villanueva
Correct. Well, they going careers.
Bishop B
But Vincent T. Mac, they're not even close to absurd. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
DJ Wells
That's no disrespect.
Charlie Villanueva
No disrespect at all. No disrespect. No.
Host DJ Wells
Those are all hall of Famers.
DJ Wells
People know how we feel about him. I think he might. Well, he a competitor, but he. He might say T. Mac like who demar?
Bishop B
Oh, yeah. I think at his peak, I think everybody in the world know T. Mac
DJ Wells
was the best out of all four, though that Blue Stars jersey hit different.
Bishop B
Come on, man. But he just got hurt.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
He couldn't stay healthy, man. But T. Mac, who. One of my favorite players growing up.
DJ Wells
All right, now the new one, some shit that Jeff started is the James Harden D. Wade. Have y' all touched on.
Charlie Villanueva
No, we touched on pause, but we did touch on that topic.
DJ Wells
Was Jeff out of pocket?
Charlie Villanueva
Who you got?
Bishop B
I ain't got nobody, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
I picked Jake.
DJ Wells
Scared of the trucks. You picked James, too?
Charlie Villanueva
I picked James, too.
Bishop B
I respect. He said two.
Host DJ Wells
He already knew.
Bishop B
Who. I said, hold on, hold on. Line him up.
Charlie Villanueva
The eye test told me D. I mean D. D. Wade right away.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
And then, man, Hong was reading me the. The numbers James got every category.
DJ Wells
Every, every category.
Charlie Villanueva
So I'm like, oh, look at these shit.
DJ Wells
Some shit.
Charlie Villanueva
But yeah. So I'm like, James to me.
Host DJ Wells
And the other one that people put a lot of weight into that hardware, but.
Charlie Villanueva
And then you got.
Bishop B
He got the chip.
DJ Wells
But I take a Finals MVP over a regular season mvp, though.
Host DJ Wells
That's a fact.
Bishop B
I wouldn't.
DJ Wells
How I did it. I played with a bunch of.
Bishop B
That was respect to D. Wade.
DJ Wells
I don't have 36.
Bishop B
He was killing. But like, a regular season MVP is more to me. Right? Cause your team is like. Your team gotta be good to win a championship, bro. Everything gotta go right to win a chip. Like, I really got a ring because everything went right for us. James Harden roll his Terence. Hamstring. Kyrie, roll his ankle. Everything gotta be perfect. Regular season, most of the time, all the best players play. That's true for 60 plus games. And you the best out of all them.
DJ Wells
Nigga, I averaged 36 I didn't get. And there's respect to Andre Iguodal, but those. Those MVPs is two totally different.
Bishop B
That's what I'm saying. No disrespect to Andre Golla, but he got a Finals mvp. He didn't come close to a regular season mvp. We didn't even hear that.
DJ Wells
Okay, we're gonna get off. Andre
Bishop B
Dre was like me. Plus Drake was like me, bro.
DJ Wells
So you would rather have a regular season MVP than a Finals?
Bishop B
I just was the best player in the nv. NBA, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, he's right. Right. Cause you can have a good series and be mvp. That don't mean you're the best in the league. But mvp?
Bishop B
You're playing in the league after Mark
Host DJ Wells
Cuban, how he talked about his PTSD up here, about what Dwyane Wade did to them. Them four games in a row.
Charlie Villanueva
So y' all with D. Wade?
DJ Wells
I'm D. Wade, 100%.
Host DJ Wells
I'm going D. Wade, 3. James Harden for Yeah, but I feel like it's not a wrong answer because Skill, James. Oh, yeah. Skill. Yeah.
DJ Wells
Dwayne don't even have the moves.
Charlie Villanueva
James got James in Houston.
Bishop B
Come on.
Host DJ Wells
They look crazy.
DJ Wells
L is scoring and assist. Come on. I respect it.
Bishop B
A was guarding him from behind him.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, that was a scout behind him.
Bishop B
I've never heard that, bro. All right. It. Let's go to the basket. We gonna stay behind.
Charlie Villanueva
True story. So when he got traded to Houston, he played Detroit the first game, which was us. He'll score 55.
Bishop B
He played us the next game.
Charlie Villanueva
55.
Bishop B
What do you give us? 40. 47. Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Next game, Atlanta, it's like a different bro. And then there's the. With the. With the.
Bishop B
The.
Charlie Villanueva
The filing. Yeah, he mastered that shit. Nah, James. James Harden is the truth.
DJ Wells
I love Jay. I just think he's a true. And I don't know how he feel when we sit down and talk to bro, but that Finals MVP, how Wade got it, bro, I averaged 36, and everybody played with me was 40.
Charlie Villanueva
Party.
Bishop B
Nah, it's cold.
Charlie Villanueva
But it's close, though. It's not like a landslide. Nothing like that. But James two killers.
Bishop B
Way to kill it all.
Charlie Villanueva
But respect.
DJ Wells
Yeah. How the hell they get you to do podcasting, man? You got all this going on. How they get you to follow?
Charlie Villanueva
You know what's crazy? Like, I. I didn't know. Like, I would actually enjoy this, bro. Yeah, it's funny, but not funny, but funny. But, you know, I have alopecia. I can't grow hair.
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
I never been in the barbershop like that. I can laugh, Talk. I just imagine that's how barber.
DJ Wells
You never. You ain't never pulled up to bar just to kick it, though.
Charlie Villanueva
I lost my at 10 years old, man. My fault, man. Lost the at 10 years old. It was a rap. The was gone.
DJ Wells
What's up?
Charlie Villanueva
So. So when I got with them fellas, you know, Ray and Theo, they started off first I was a guest on their show, and then, you know, I liked it, bro. Like, I was natural, and it was the thing that I like, you know, in the league, I was a politician, bro. I'm gonna be honest. I was an employee, so I had to fall in line. I did my shit professional. I wasn't starting no shit. I just did what I had to do and keep it moving.
DJ Wells
Right.
Charlie Villanueva
Right now I'm my own ball. Can't tell me, oh, no, you copy your. Now I'm talking, you know, and people like, there ain't no CV talk like this.
Bishop B
I didn't.
Charlie Villanueva
I ain't know like this. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get down n. For sure.
DJ Wells
For sure that y' all show is dope, bro. Y' all be starting a lot of. On the.
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
My man home be starting this.
DJ Wells
So it start from home, and then it go to the rest.
Charlie Villanueva
And then Theo be crashing now, and then Ray be like, with the UN he be giving you, like, the. The facts.
Bishop B
And, yeah, he'll never go.
Charlie Villanueva
He be on some P. Right?
Host DJ Wells
ISO can be hilarious. He start talking slow and everything, giving
Charlie Villanueva
me advice while I'm going in like, right? Come on, man. Like, chill. Let me get.
Bishop B
He'll never get outside the wood if
DJ Wells
you ever regretted something you said on there though.
Charlie Villanueva
Nah, hell yeah. Nah, I don't bro. Like now, like, I just talk my bro. No, I just talk my. And just, you know.
DJ Wells
Know. Only reason why I ask because, you know, we had a little conversation about the Joe and Bron Joe. The last.
Charlie Villanueva
Oh, oh, the ISO Joe. Yeah. No, I mean, listen.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, call back.
Bishop B
Yeah, yeah, I like that. So
DJ Wells
I had no problem the last second.
Charlie Villanueva
But to answer your question, it's something to look at, fam. It's something to look at. I mean, I see what you said.
DJ Wells
Talk about something to look at at. We know what we looking at. You said.
Charlie Villanueva
I mean, that's what the I said, right? Am I drunk?
DJ Wells
D Probably give yourself some more water. This is what you said. You said. Damn. After, after bro said that, you go, just stay tuned. I don't remember Dog Charles was like, I'm gonna around take Joe for one.
Bishop B
I'm taking Joe for sure.
Charlie Villanueva
I mean, you've seen it for years. So yeah, low key. I mean, ISO Joe. I mean, his name is ISO. On one play, I might.
Bishop B
What year was that he had hit the most game winners or something?
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, he hit one on us.
Bishop B
Yeah, he hit like seven game wins
Charlie Villanueva
with Dallas, as a matter of fact.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, he got a reputation for.
Charlie Villanueva
See the thing is, who was it? ISO and LeBron, right?
DJ Wells
Yeah, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
So pause. But I always like the ball in LeBron's hands, bro. Cause he gonna make the right play.
Bishop B
He gonna make the right play.
Charlie Villanueva
He gonna make the right play, man. And a lot of people, he gets. He gets fucking killed for that shit. Ah, LeBron take the fucking last shot. Like. Nah, he's doing the right shit sometimes. But you right though.
Bishop B
ISO Joe is second in NBA history.
Charlie Villanueva
That's crazy.
Bishop B
10 season spring.
Charlie Villanueva
So yeah, I respect it. I respect it.
Bishop B
Yeah, I got Joe.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah.
Bishop B
That's crazy now.
DJ Wells
That is crazy.
Charlie Villanueva
N. You ain't by the landslide though. Like, it's. It's close.
Host DJ Wells
You know, I ain't mad at it.
Charlie Villanueva
Disagree.
DJ Wells
I mean, if you need a three, probably gonna take. Yeah, I'm Freaky Joe.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Bishop B
Every single time.
DJ Wells
Yeah, every single time.
Host DJ Wells
That's crazy. LeBron gets criticized on making the right play. Like he gets you open shot for game. Like you didn't shoot it. It's like, damn, I got my shooter. The best shot he could get for game. You just happened to miss a.
DJ Wells
That's tough though, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
Because when you put them in the category of like Kobe and MJ. That's not their DNA. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? LeBron is different, bro. Like, he gonna make the right play. So that's why he gets crucified. Cause he's not in the same. He don't have the same mentality as.
DJ Wells
But if we down one, you. You damn near gotta take that, bruh.
Bishop B
Got you.
DJ Wells
I don't give a fuck who's open, bro.
Bishop B
He can get to the basket like
Charlie Villanueva
whenever he wants, bro. Yeah.
DJ Wells
So I'm them taking.
Bishop B
Did you play Ron in high school?
Charlie Villanueva
Nah, never played him in high school. Y' all remember? You remember ABCD camp?
Bishop B
I went there.
Charlie Villanueva
You went there?
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
I was MVP of that. Just put that out. I was MVP. LeBron had a broken arm. That's when LeBron broke his arm.
Host DJ Wells
Oh, God.
Bishop B
I was sleeper at the camp, the table. That's a fact.
Charlie Villanueva
No, I seen him play a bunch of times, but we never crossed paths in high school. You know, he was number one. Lu all was number two. I was number three. It's crazy that me and Lou were same team.
Bishop B
Yeah, that's nuts.
Charlie Villanueva
Two in the third.
DJ Wells
I had a raw class. What was old boy name I fucked with? Nanubi. Ebi or some shit.
Charlie Villanueva
Bucky. Yeah. Ndb.
DJ Wells
Ndb.
Charlie Villanueva
Ndb.
DJ Wells
He was raw too.
Charlie Villanueva
Disaster. Bring that clip up him. Who bounced on him?
Bishop B
You know what I mean? Oh, no.
Charlie Villanueva
And McDonald's on, man.
DJ Wells
You poked on my guy. Yeah.
Bishop B
Hey, what are you doing? You wilding today?
Host DJ Wells
Hey, listen, while we here, man, it's playoff time. We your mvp.
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Lily Herman
Ready for a different take on Formula one? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.
Stephanie Young
Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.
Lily Herman
The story of the sport's most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious his F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both. He started getting all this attention and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this, I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Stephanie Young
In 2023, former Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed
Lily Herman
glaring inconsistencies in her story.
Stephanie Young
This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.
Lily Herman
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Stephanie Young
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Lily Herman
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Charlie Villanueva
Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant.
Stephanie Young
They would uncover a disturbing two more men who'd been through the same thing.
DJ Wells
Greg Gillespie and Michael Maranchini.
Stephanie Young
My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped.
Charlie Villanueva
Laura Scottsdale Police.
Stephanie Young
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Charlie Villanueva
Ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen. Breaking news at a Maricopa county as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.
Lily Herman
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Stephanie Young
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Lori Siegel
I'm Lori Siegel and on Mostly Human I go beyond the headlines with the people building our future. This week an interview with one of the most influential figures in Silicon Valley, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman.
Sam Altman
I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to products we put out in the world.
Lori Siegel
From power to parenthood, kids, teenagers, I
Sam Altman
think they will need a lot of guardrails around AI. This is such a powerful and such
Lori Siegel
a new thing, from addiction to acceleration.
Sam Altman
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Lori Siegel
What does the man who has extraordinary influence over our lives have to say about the weight of that responsibility? Find out on Mostly Human.
Sam Altman
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Lori Siegel
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Charlie Villanueva
I ain't gonna front. I've been on my. I've been on this one BE train, bro.
DJ Wells
No, fuck no.
Charlie Villanueva
Sga.
Bishop B
Yes.
DJ Wells
Yes, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
Got it. He gonna get it. But to me, the league is gonna push the narrative of Wemby.
Bishop B
Yeah, you are.
Charlie Villanueva
Because I think Wemby's gonna be the face of the league for sure. Normally it's an American player. Because the league wants to go global, they gonna push for Wemby.
DJ Wells
He the perfect fit.
Charlie Villanueva
He's a perfect fit, bro. So I'm on this wimy train, bro.
DJ Wells
I see him locking it down next year for sure. I just think Shane locked it in
Charlie Villanueva
with it's special, bro, for sure. And they young. They young. They whooping, bro.
Host DJ Wells
In my opinion. And that's the crazy part about sga. They try to give it to other people this year. You talk to Luke and stuff late in the season. The joker obviously deserving, but SGA, bro, like they lose one or two games in a six month span. Like he averaging 30 and he's shooting
Charlie Villanueva
efficient like he's 50.
Host DJ Wells
Plus 50, 40, 90. Averaging 30.
Charlie Villanueva
Come on, fam.
Host DJ Wells
But if Wimpy played like he's been playing the last two months, if he started doing that in January, I think he would have probably got the MVP knock because he start talking, hey, hey, y' all talk about offense. I'm the best defender in the league and I average 25.
DJ Wells
It ain't his numbers was just too inconsistent though. Yeah, we talk about NBA every day on our morning show. Yeah, he'll go 30. Then he might have 19. Like that's. I think that's kind of hurt him a little bit. But they got a full T22.
Bishop B
Yeah.
DJ Wells
Oh, yeah.
Host DJ Wells
No, he's a puck on a minute restriction and everything. All right, I like the odds here. If you a bet, man, Hard rock bet. You know What I'm saying? Negative 250 for SGA. Easy money. Plus 225 for Win B plus 1,500 for Luka, plus 6,000 for Joker and plus 25 for Jaylen Brown. And JB obviously won't get it, but he's damn near had all NBA for sure. Oh, 1,000. But he's, in my opinion, he in the top three for MVP.
DJ Wells
He has to be first. First team got him top three.
Host DJ Wells
Who winning for MVP? No, I'm talking about for Jalen.
Charlie Villanueva
Jaylen Bryant.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
I don't know why he always gets like overlooked, bro. What he did for fucking Boston. What he did when JT was gone for sure, man. He surprised the shit out of me because I didn't think Boston was gonna be one of the top teams in the East.
Bishop B
I didn't either. Nah.
Host DJ Wells
And that was a conversation in the summer. Everybody was just like, what is first option Jay LeBron look like? And they didn't really do much of that roster and they never cooled.
Charlie Villanueva
I'm rolling, superstar. He is super. He don't get enough credit though, man.
DJ Wells
He don't. It's just.
Bishop B
He gotta go to Vegas, bro.
DJ Wells
It's different over there.
Host DJ Wells
You do.
Charlie Villanueva
And to the expansion.
DJ Wells
Yes, bro. Get your own team.
Bishop B
That's the only time he gonna get his own team.
Charlie Villanueva
That's a fact. Cause he's always gonna be second fiddle, T. Damn.
Host DJ Wells
Okay, we got the clip right here. Okay.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
DJ Wells
Bring me back
Host DJ Wells
vhs.
Charlie Villanueva
My man Chris Paul with the nice pass. Tough pass. Hey, take that.
Host DJ Wells
Hey.
DJ Wells
Oh, that was cool.
Host DJ Wells
And he failed too.
Charlie Villanueva
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Bishop B
Did the B head.
Charlie Villanueva
That's.
DJ Wells
That's crazy.
Charlie Villanueva
Oh, wow.
DJ Wells
And you double down with it.
Host DJ Wells
That.
DJ Wells
That's crazy. Ain't no edit.
Charlie Villanueva
That was wild. I a say that.
DJ Wells
That's insane.
Host DJ Wells
He did push that celebration crazy. But then, homie, holding up brother, though.
Charlie Villanueva
That's my brother. Yeah, that's my brother.
Host DJ Wells
Y got to get your brother a
DJ Wells
lot of
Charlie Villanueva
my brother, man. Shout out to my brother.
Host DJ Wells
Oh, that was a crazy game. All right, man. We got some of the AVP odds who might get the chip this year. How you feeling, man?
Charlie Villanueva
The chip?
Bishop B
Yeah.
Host DJ Wells
Sga. Okay. See? Repeat.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah. Hell yeah. Absolutely.
Bishop B
I'm rolling with that too.
Charlie Villanueva
Okay. See, I've been preaching that since the beginning of the season, bro. You know what's crazy? They coach Mark. I can't say his last name. Mark B. I'm Pa.
Bishop B
Yeah, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
That crazy. I'm drunk. Gun.
DJ Wells
Where you playing with that looking?
Charlie Villanueva
He was our. He went to Yukon. He was our manager.
Host DJ Wells
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
On the chip. For real. He was our man. He was giving me waters and. Dead ass. I'm my bullshit. I'm my partner now. Damn.
DJ Wells
He'll tell you. That's crazy though. He went to you about that though,
Charlie Villanueva
you know, so I'm not for him having this success. I'm not surprised, man. Cuz he. He saw. He worked his way up, bro.
DJ Wells
We literally just talked about. About people in the basketball world having these. You think Jobs and they work their way to the top.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, bro.
DJ Wells
It's crazy.
Charlie Villanueva
I love that shout outs to man to mark man. Because I seen it. Yeah, I seen it. You know, doing the stats, being the manager, grabbing water, rubbing on the floor with the towel.
DJ Wells
Damn.
Charlie Villanueva
A head coach of the NBA team and want to chip. I would have never thought that, bro.
Host DJ Wells
And he got that team rocking too. Because who come in the game. Everybody come in to get that off, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
OKC that I love. And you don't see this and Jeff, you can agree to this is how together they are. Oh, that's do the interviews. All of them. Oh yeah. That is fine.
Bishop B
Like a college team.
Charlie Villanueva
So you can tell they with each other off the court too.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Most of the time we don't really with each other, man. Like it's.
DJ Wells
You ain't have a team that you like jail with everybody.
Charlie Villanueva
Nah, I was on some bad teams, bro.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah. The Milwaukee.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah.
DJ Wells
We have over two or three dudes.
Charlie Villanueva
Dudes that we with. But the team.
DJ Wells
The whole team.
Sam Altman
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Damn.
DJ Wells
NBA wicked.
Charlie Villanueva
It is wicked.
Host DJ Wells
Now last year they took them to seven, but obviously Aaron Gordon was hurt. Can the healthy Nuggets team, you know what I'm saying Might knock OKC off.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah.
Host DJ Wells
They started catch Rob Payton Watson back Joker still Joker. Jamal Murray looking like. You know what I'm saying? It's that time again.
Bishop B
The Nuggets and the Lakers were the scariest team. Now that the Lakers. Everybody hurt.
DJ Wells
Yeah, I think.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
We just overlook San Antonio.
DJ Wells
I was about to say San Antonio.
Host DJ Wells
Nobody talking about the Spurs.
Bishop B
They young though. They ain't never. They ain't been there. Everybody else been.
Charlie Villanueva
Was OKC there when they won. They were young too.
Bishop B
Yeah. But they got over the hump against the Denver team. They had to beat that Denver team.
Charlie Villanueva
They did.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah. This is a lot for the Spurs. They got to go through that fire this. But they are capable. Because if Wi gonna play like this. And the way that squad rocking OKC struggles with. Yeah, it's look three times three though. Who the who the three seeding it was the Lakers.
Bishop B
Yeah. I'm saying you rolling with the Lakers. Not no more. I mean, Bronnie starting that point. I'm hyped for that.
Host DJ Wells
But yeah, it's probably over.
DJ Wells
Aaron not giving.
Bishop B
He gotta put that on his next shoe.
DJ Wells
Yeah.
Host DJ Wells
Oh, yeah. So the Nuggets gonna basically go be the three, see right now.
Charlie Villanueva
Move on. It's gonna sound like I'm a hater.
Bishop B
Nuggets see the spurs gotta do with the Nuggets I don't think they can beat them.
Charlie Villanueva
That is.
DJ Wells
That's a tough matchup.
Host DJ Wells
Now, they would have been happy with the Lakers. I don't know if they would have beat them.
DJ Wells
No.
Charlie Villanueva
Denver, that was special. Special? Yeah, that game was special.
DJ Wells
It was for sure.
Host DJ Wells
Elite center match up.
Bishop B
Jokic ain't even playing serious right now, though.
Charlie Villanueva
I don't understand, bro. When you look at yo, you're like, hell no. Ain't no way cold.
Host DJ Wells
Nah.
Charlie Villanueva
30, 20, and 15.
DJ Wells
Easy, though.
Host DJ Wells
Easy.
DJ Wells
You ain't even surprised looking at them numbers.
Host DJ Wells
Top option of all time be here for sure.
Charlie Villanueva
It's time.
Bishop B
It's 10.
DJ Wells
5. 3.
Charlie Villanueva
3. You all right? Did you hear yourself? No.
Host DJ Wells
He's gonna be mad.
DJ Wells
I thought you heard yourself.
Charlie Villanueva
Shaq, Kareem Najuan.
Host DJ Wells
And Og's gonna say Bill Russell.
Charlie Villanueva
I ain't see enough.
Host DJ Wells
Give me speculative.
Charlie Villanueva
I didn't see it. I didn't see it.
DJ Wells
Did you see enough of Bill?
Bishop B
I didn't see it.
Charlie Villanueva
No.
DJ Wells
I'll tell y truth. You see that?
Bishop B
He.
Charlie Villanueva
He weak.
Bishop B
He was weak.
DJ Wells
I ain't see it like I seen them numbers. Will was 50 and 20 in the point game. Yes, bro.
Host DJ Wells
It didn't exist.
Charlie Villanueva
You seen the hunter?
DJ Wells
Yeah, I seen it, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
I ain't see the Hun.
DJ Wells
I seen it, bro.
Host DJ Wells
Nobody seen it, bro. It don't exist, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
It don't exist.
Host DJ Wells
That's my conspiracy all down the hill, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
Like, to me, the Will said no disrespect.
DJ Wells
Will average 50 with no threes, bro.
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Who you playing against, man?
DJ Wells
50 average. That's 20 blocks. That was. See, that was some trick I did on you. You don't with Bill.
Charlie Villanueva
I ain't see it. I a see it. I a't see it. You got 11 rings, right?
Bishop B
That's what, 11 rings?
DJ Wells
Okay, so Joker ain't better than Hakeem.
Charlie Villanueva
I don't think so, fam. Not yet. Kim got two rings.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah,
Bishop B
I can't, Elijah. I'm cold, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, he cold.
Host DJ Wells
But Joker top five for sure.
Charlie Villanueva
Cold.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Respect.
Host DJ Wells
All right, now, in the east, it's a little tricky, obviously, with KB and I hopefully come back strong for the Pistons. They got a world machine, but we'll see what they do. Celtics? Yeah.
Bishop B
I got Celtics coming out the East.
Host DJ Wells
I don't believe in Knicks. Cavs got a squad. Your Hawks playing Well, it could really just be matchups in the East. I don't think there's nobody that's clear cut.
Charlie Villanueva
Boston is. Is pretty solidified, bro. Okay, they are they. Well, Old machine. Solid, man. Boston is solid. With JT back, I think they gonna miss out. I like Cleveland a lot, but that James Harden. True, right. The playoff with James Harden, is he gonna finally get over that hump?
DJ Wells
I got him getting over it.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, I got him, too.
Host DJ Wells
But that's two people on that team who got. You know what I'm saying? Finally break that playoff stigma with him and Donovan Mitchell. We know Donovan Mitchell be killing, but he ain't got past the second round either.
DJ Wells
I haven't mentioned. I ain't never had no co pilot like this, though.
Host DJ Wells
That is a fact. And Evan Mobley and Jerry Allen the way that. You know what I'm saying? James got that offense running. Vibes is high, man.
Bishop B
They got all the ingredients to win.
Charlie Villanueva
We have this argument all the time with James Harden. I mean, with Donovan Mitchell. Can you win with a small guard? When's the last time being your number one option? When's the last time a small guard been a number one option
Host DJ Wells
win? I'll probably say no.
Bishop B
SGA.
DJ Wells
He's.
Charlie Villanueva
He's not. I mean, he's 64. He's 64. He's tall.
Bishop B
Donovan Mitchell, like 64. 63. 64.
Charlie Villanueva
Is he.
Bishop B
Yeah, he taller than me.
DJ Wells
Yeah, he can get it done.
Charlie Villanueva
That's fair.
DJ Wells
Shay is a. You know, Shay is Shay.
Host DJ Wells
But yeah, we be a little.
DJ Wells
That's probably it, though. So you have 62.
Charlie Villanueva
You got.
DJ Wells
You got a legit. You probably 5, 11.
Charlie Villanueva
You probably got.
DJ Wells
You probably got legit argument.
Bishop B
You was a lot.
DJ Wells
I'm 72 inches, cuz.
Charlie Villanueva
Whoa. Measurements over here.
DJ Wells
Crazy six foot.
Bishop B
Come on, bro. Just tell me how. Sorry, I don't like talking to inches. I don't like that.
Charlie Villanueva
This couch is turned, bro. Inches and measurements.
DJ Wells
You got a fair argument, man, y' all are childish. You got a fair argument, though. I don't think you can win with a small guard on too many teams, though. That is true.
Charlie Villanueva
True. With like, Steph. Steph is different. Best shooter in the world. Best PG of all time.
DJ Wells
That's a. That's a good one. Steph got what, four?
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
That's really round them.
Bishop B
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
Bunch of hall of famers.
Bishop B
Look at who around him.
Host DJ Wells
He got two J.
Charlie Villanueva
But that's why I think they can get over the hump, cuz. Now Donovan Mitchell finally has a solid number two option.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah. And he don't have to worry about creating for other people. He can just go get 50. I'll make sure everybody else involved in the game just go kill cuz. Jared Allen. Been looking crazy with James Harden. That got Keon Ellis and got your guy then thrown off the bench. They got a talent to rock.
Bishop B
They got a good team.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, I think the eastern playoffs is going to be real shocking, man, because I don't think there's a clear cut at all.
Charlie Villanueva
Can I roll him with Detroit, though?
Host DJ Wells
I. I love Detroit, man. If Cade is healthy, I. I'll take the Pistons out the East.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah.
Host DJ Wells
If Cade come back, if Kate is back healthy. I think the way that that second end have been playing, man, Jaylen Duran looking like an all NBA player.
Bishop B
He is.
Charlie Villanueva
I'm not rolling. You're nothing. Home, you sleep.
DJ Wells
Like I said. With all that being said, I don't know, bro.
Charlie Villanueva
I don't know. It's just because I played there and my time there didn't go so smooth. But I don't know, fam. I just don't think they could beat Boston fam. Or Cleveland. I know they're the best team in the east, but I still think I still got Celtics and Cleveland ahead of him. And Hawks is balling now, too. Now they balling my favorite team.
DJ Wells
But Mar Odomacoma for the Hawks, bro. Yeah. A coma sleep.
Host DJ Wells
He is risen.
DJ Wells
Dem out of here. 14 strokes, 10 heart attacks.
Charlie Villanueva
I'm a partner Hawks.
Bishop B
That's hello to go.
Charlie Villanueva
Hawks are never how many strokes? How many strokes? I told you. Y' all ready for that? All right.
Host DJ Wells
No, we will see, man. Playoff time will be here for sure, man. Charlie V. Man, we appreciate you sliding on this, man. Tap into the pod, man. Go ahead and promote a restaurant and the pod one more time, man, so the people can pull up and support.
Charlie Villanueva
Yeah, culture you support. Check us out, man. And then the pod. We go Monday to Thursday YouTube live to the Baja with Theo Pinson.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
D. Wills just joining the squad too, man. And we got okay so hard.
Host DJ Wells
Yeah, he's on the real comfortable, man. Sorry.
Bishop B
We definitely not playing y' all no more.
DJ Wells
Oh, yeah.
Charlie Villanueva
So, yeah, we got D Will. Yeah. We got some muscle behind this ball. Damn.
DJ Wells
Got some what I hear we got
Host DJ Wells
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Charlie Villanueva
All.
Host DJ Wells
We'll catch y' all next time. Club 520.
Charlie Villanueva
Yes, sir.
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This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.
Date: April 13, 2026
Hosts: Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, Bishop B Henn
Special Guest: Charlie Villanueva
This week's Club 520 features former NBA forward Charlie Villanueva, who joins Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and Bishop B Henn for a wide-ranging, energetic conversation. They tap into Charlie’s basketball journey – from near-miss college choices and March Madness stories, to wild NBA nights, business moves after retirement, and firsthand tales of iconic moments like Kobe Bryant’s 81-point game. It’s heavy on laughs, honest storytelling, and bold NBA takes, including hot debates on Harden vs. Wade and SGA vs. Wemby, with signature Club 520 chemistry and humor.
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On Making It Out:
“I grew up on welfare, man. We ain’t really had the bread like that.” (03:58, Charlie)
On Getting Traded After Being Assured Safety:
“Only way we gonna trade you is if Michael Jordan comes out of retirement...24 hours later I was gone.” (30:07, Charlie)
On Kobe’s 81:
"He had 50 and it was still the third quarter." (49:56, Charlie)
"Jalen [Rose] got like about 60 [points scored on him]. Mo Pete, maybe another 20." (51:50)
NBA Twitter OG:
"The NBA came with a rule…can’t tweet after like 90 minutes before game. It was called the Charlie Villanueva rule." (41:02, Charlie)
On retirement, business, and reinvention:
"When I retired in 2016…31 years old, what do I do now?" (37:02)
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Charlie’s honesty, humor, and deep basketball insight—plus inside stories on legendary moments and debates you won't hear anywhere else—make this an episode any basketball fan will love.
Check out Charlie’s restaurant "Culture" in Houston, and his podcast “To the Baja with Theo Pinson.”
The Club 520 crew keeps it both hilarious and real: “We just talk our sh*t.”
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