Club 520 - Fred VanVleet on WINNING NBA Finals, GUARDING Steph Curry, Durant vs. SGA

Summary

Club 520 Podcast: Fred VanVleet on WINNING NBA Finals, GUARDING Steph Curry, Durant vs. SGA

Release Date: February 12, 2026
Hosts: Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, Bishop B Henn
Special Guest: Fred VanVleet (Houston Rockets PG, NBA Champion, All-Star)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club 520 features NBA champion and All-Star Fred VanVleet. In a vibrant and real conversation, Fred dives deep into the realities of his basketball journey—discussing his unconventional path to the NBA, life as an underdog, his NBA Finals experiences, the evolution of the league, player development, NIL impact, the All-Star selection process, and guarding all-time greats like Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving. Fred also dishes candid insights on team dynamics, talks KD vs. SGA, and weighs in on changes in the NBA—from G League shifts to All-Star Weekend controversies.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fred’s Early Days and Underdog Mentality

• Rockford Roots & AAU Circuit:
  Growing up outside the Chicago spotlight, Fred talks about choosing to play with friends rather than chasing shoe-sponsored AAU teams.

  “By the time I got to the point where I was like a teenager, I thought I was grown. … I’d rather just play with my homies. Cause I’m not from the city, I’m from Rockford.” (09:49)

• Wichita State & College Hunger:
  Fred reflects on the differences NIL would have made for his era and his singular focus on making the NBA over enjoying the party side of college.

  “I hated college. I wanted to go to the league. My whole mindset every day was trying to get to the league.” (13:51)

• On Early NBA Aspirations:
  Even as a bench player, Fred’s hunger came from his self-belief and his daily approach to reaching the NBA.

2. The League's Changing Landscape: NIL & G League

• NIL Impact on Today’s Players:
  The hosts and Fred discuss how NIL deals shift player mindset and incentives, with Fred observing:

  “If you get a million your first year ... I’m not thinking about the NBA at all.” (12:39)

• G League vs. College & Transfer Portal:
  Fred weighs in on G League players jumping back to college for NIL money, and notes how today’s opportunities would have affected his own path.

  “If you’re young and just, shit, you jump early and it ain’t work out for you ... college, it’s a better G League.” (20:01)

• Recruitment Challenges for High Schoolers:
  The influx of older, transfer players is making it harder for incoming freshmen:

  “It’s harder for a high school kid to get recruited and come in and play. You got to be like stupid nice.” (22:53)

3. Skill Development, Shooting, and Modern NBA

• What Gets You in the League Today:

  “Shooting is the separator to me ... that’s what they paying for right now. Spacing and shooting.” (16:04)

• The Loss of Fundamentals:
  Fred laments the trend where young players often must learn basic skills in the NBA rather than earlier:

  “A lot of the kids that’s come to the NBA now, they don’t know how to play.” (14:56)

• On Developing a Superpower:
  If a scout can’t immediately spot your standout skill, “shit you cooked.” (15:49)

4. NBA Grind, Defense, and Guarding Legends

• Earning His Way in:

  “So now that was the way I got in. It was like, alright, you gotta play D. You gotta change the game and change the tempo.” (17:45)

• Guarding Steph Curry & Kyrie Irving:
  • On Steph: “You need the whole full team because he running off all the screens and you can’t fall asleep.” (68:17)
  • On Kyrie: “He the most challenging for me ... He might dribble it 27 times...he’s not passing it.” (68:10)
  • On the Finals box-and-one: “I’m playing the man in box and one ... he still had 50 in the Finals, like, he gave me 50 ... and we was trapping him every time.” (67:36)
• Most Difficult to Guard:
  Fred and hosts reminisce about the unique challenge of D. Rose: "He's one of my favorite, shout out to D legend." (69:09)

5. Making It in the NBA: Contracts, Roles, and Mindsets

• Securing a Place:
  Fred describes the stress of being undrafted and hustling for a secure contract:

  “All you can do is operate with the deal that’s on the table. ... Whatever the best deal on the table is, that’s where I’m going.” (31:53)

• "Regular Person" Before the NBA:
  Fred’s humility and financial mindfulness stem from his grind:

  “I was a regular person before I was in the NBA. ... I had to grind for that.” (33:32)

• Ref Reputation and Fines:
  On getting technicals: “If you’re gonna wild out, you gotta go all the way. Gonna get your money’s worth.” (06:13)

6. All-Star Selections, Snubs, and Fixing the Format

• Politics & Fatigue in All-Star Picks:

  “You gonna pick somebody that’s already been in there over somebody that’s never been in. ... You gotta have repeat years.” (35:08)

• East/West, World/America, & What Fans Want:
  Fred agrees that fans have more influence than they think on the structure of All-Star events:

  “The league is listening to what the fans want ... We gotta fix this shit.” (39:34)

• On All-Star Weekend Incentives:

  “Some shit gotta be for the love of the game. ... It should be a prize, some type of incentive. But at some point, come on, bro. This is what we love to do, too.” (44:27)

• Candid on His Own All-Star Experience:
  Sharing that he was actually injured during All-Star weekend but played through:

  “I hit my knee on the floor like a week or two before All-Star. But I ain't tell nobody because I ain't want to give a spot out...Cleveland, it was ass, it was cold ... but being in the locker room, NBA 75 that year, that’s something I’ll never forget.” (57:13)

7. Business of Basketball: Trades, Titles, and the Championship Parade

• The DeRozan-Kawhi Trade from a Player’s View:

  “My welcome to the business moment.” (60:06)
  On meeting Kawhi: “He still came and did what he was supposed to do.” (63:06)

• On Winning The Finals & The Iconic Shot:
  • Kawhi’s “four-bounce” game-winner:

    “I had a terrible series. Worst basketball of my life. I was just happy we was getting more game ... My whole rest of my career would've been different if we lose that Game 7. Cause I didn’t get hot till after that.” (64:09)

• Guarding Steph in the Finals:

  “To be chasing Steph around ... we playing box-and-one in the NBA Finals. ... It was just an incredible opportunity.” (67:17)

• Celebrating with a Country:
  Fred marvels at the Toronto parade:

  “The most craziest thing I ever done ... The parade, that whole summer.” (83:15)

8. Player Comparisons and Media Narratives

• Why Too Many Comps Are Harmful:

  “We doing both of them a disservice by comparing them ... You want your own name.” (72:48)

• Joker vs. Sengun, KD vs. SGA:
  Ranks Joker atop the bigs, sees a big gap between #1 and the field.

  “Joker is ... an all-time great already.” (74:15)

• Advice on Player Identity:

  “I tell [Sengun] to his face ... stop doing that. Because first of all, you want your own name.” (73:13)

9. On Being a Leader, Potential Coach, and Giving Back

• Coaching Aspirations?
  Fred likes teaching, not formal coaching:

  “I like to teach more than I like to coach. ... I don’t want to coach.” (79:23)

• Being a ‘Coach’ On the Floor:

  “I’m helping them with the in-between, between the players ... but I would definitely be around the game in some capacity.” (80:03)

10. On the Next Generation and Talent Pipeline

• High Praise for Incoming Classes:
  Fred and the crew are excited for the new wave of rookies, like Cooper Flagg, Queen, and others:

  “At least six, seven, eight of them ... really guys that’s contributing on winning teams.” (88:06)

• College Star Comparisons:
  Lively debate around comps for the Boozer twins, with jokes about Tyler Hansbrough comparisons.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you can’t shoot by the time you 18, you probably cooked.” — Fred VanVleet (15:15)
• “Some shit gotta be for the love of the game, too.” — Fred VanVleet on All-Star incentives (44:27)
• “You only can operate with the deal that’s on the table... Whatever the best deal on the table is, that’s where I’m going with.” — Fred VanVleet on contracts (31:53)
• “Guarding Steph... I’m playing the man in box and one ... he still had 50 in the Finals.” — Fred VanVleet (67:36)
• “He still came and did what he was supposed to do.” — Fred VanVleet on Kawhi Leonard (63:06)
• “My whole rest of my career would've been different if we lose that Game 7. Cause I didn’t get hot till after that.” — Fred VanVleet on the impact of Kawhi’s shot (64:17)
• “Joker is like an all-time great already.” — Fred VanVleet (74:15)
• “We doing both of them a disservice by comparing them…You want your own name.” — Fred VanVleet on Sengun being called “baby Joker” (72:48)
• “I like to teach more than I like to coach.” — Fred VanVleet on life after playing (79:23)
• “The most craziest thing I ever done ... The parade, that whole summer.” — Fred VanVleet on Toronto’s championship parade (83:15)

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Important Timestamps

• Fred’s AAU/High School/College Path: 09:49–13:51
• NIL Changes in College Basketball: 11:16–13:11
• NBA Entry, G League, Securing a Spot: 17:45–19:10, 31:53
• Skill Development, Shooting in Youth Hoops: 15:09–16:37
• Ref Reputation, Technicals, and Fines: 05:45–07:59
• All-Star Voting & Format Opinions: 34:44–40:31
• Guarding Steph Curry and Kyrie: 67:36–68:29
• KD vs. SGA vs. Joker: 65:04–74:15
• Winning the Finals & Championship Parade: 64:09–83:15
• Coaching & Leadership Post-Playing: 79:20–81:08
• Rookie Class, Comparisons, and Next Wave: 87:05–95:05

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Episode Tone & Style

The conversation is unfiltered, funny, real, and deeply rooted in player perspectives. Fred’s humility, grind, and competitiveness shine through, with the hosts’ humor and vibe making it feel like a candid barbershop chat rather than a formal interview. The All-Star, championship, and player comparison debates are passionate and opinionated but never forced.

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For Listeners Who Haven't Tuned In

This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking for:

• Firsthand NBA Finals insight from a champion and underdog.
• A player’s honest take on the changing college-to-pro pipeline.
• Unvarnished stories about locker rooms, contracts, and All-Star politics.
• A masterclass in basketball IQ, defense, and evolving the game.
• Laugh-out-loud moments about “Cocaine Curry,” All-Star Weekend antics, and Fred’s journey from Rockford to champion.
• Hopeful perspectives on the next wave of NBA talent.

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Fred VanVleet’s story is proof that doing it the “hard way” still works—especially if you’re willing to outwork, out-learn, and outlast everyone, all with a humble and genuine approach to the game and life.

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[DJ Wells]

All right, man. We back another episode of Club 520 podcast. I'm your host. My name is DJ Wells. Brought to you by Boost Mobile. You know the vibes get you and your loved one that new iPhone 17. They'll pull up to your crib and handle the rest. Afraid you run our age group back in the days. Did you tap in with the next tail Chirps, man?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, for sure. Had a chirp.

[DJ Wells]

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[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

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[DJ Wells]

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[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

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[DJ Wells]

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[Fred VanVleet]

For sure.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

All week, baby. Monday through Thursday. I got y' all this week.

[DJ Wells]

Fred has any fans got your nerves about you messing up their parlays? Man, they hit your DM saying, man, you. You. You sold on me.

[Fred VanVleet]

I ain't the. The Internet don't bother me. It's the in person one. You got to be careful for. I had, I had. I had somebody run down on me in church. Wow.

[DJ Wells]

Church in the Lord's house.

[Fred VanVleet]

You up my far leg in church. I said damn.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, God know 3,000.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, no state is greater than the mix. It was some youngest I could. I couldn't believe it. But I mean, that's it.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That is crazy though. Yeah. Free bands.

[DJ Wells]

He was by the way, for sure. Shout out to Hard Rock, baby. Man, hopefully y' all not running out people in church. If so, please call the hotline. You need some help, man. Last s not least man. Shout out to Stockx keeping us fresh and the set. We got a special guest in the building. We got a champ and a allstar here, man. But as usual, introduce him last always talk about me. You know, you Always in the building. No respect. We got All Star.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Damn.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, me.

[DJ Wells]

We allar.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Standing, bro. We got a. Got a good one. Bumped into my dude in New York, man, so I'm glad we was able to make this one happen.

[DJ Wells]

For sure, man. My dog, Bishop B. Hitting out the pearlies. How you what?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Cool and nasty, man. For real. Let's get to it today.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, we be waiting on this episode for a long time, man. Still to my right, my dog, Young Nacho. Young T. How you what?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm cooling, brother. I'm starting to like lemonade and Sprite. I don't know what that's about, but it's kind of good. Some random ass.

It is too light for the. For the repo.

No, no.

[DJ Wells]

It's too light for something else, though. Respect.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

For sure.

I thought so.

[DJ Wells]

Don't worry about it. Like we said, man. All Star Ed Champ in the building. One of our favorites on 520, man. Come on, man. PG the Houston Rockets and the unguarded Pod dog.

[Fred VanVleet]

Fred.

[DJ Wells]

Ben Fleet, Big Dog. Appreciate you sliding on this, man.

[Fred VanVleet]

I appreciate y' all for having me.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

One of my favorite players. The way he be sliding on the refs.

[DJ Wells]

Let's start that. Is everything okay at home? You and D Bane, first team, the rep, right?

[Fred VanVleet]

Hey, man, it'd be like that sometimes.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fred VanVleet]

It's like once you make the decision that you gonna go for it, you might as well go all the way. Yeah, they gonna pay the money no matter what.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Always the same, all the way through, no matter what.

[Fred VanVleet]

I mean, it varies, but, like, if you gonna. If you're gonna wild out, you gotta go all the.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You gotta get your money's worth.

[Fred VanVleet]

Pretty much, you gonna get your money's worth.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

So that's good to know.

[Fred VanVleet]

Then I got a couple good ones, you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's good to know.

[DJ Wells]

Now, do y' all see that on y' all statement? Like that little part missing, or they go ahead and take it out, like, immediately?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Or is it.

[DJ Wells]

How's that work?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

They take they shit out like child support.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, it come off the top. That's come out the check, that's come right off the top. But you could. You could fight some of them. But, yeah, the ones I did, you can't. No, it's so much harder. I was actually happy the last one that I was. I had a very good phone call. Like, I appreciate y', all. You know what I'm saying? I thought it was gonna be worse. I thought it was Gonna be because he jumped. Like, when he jumped, it made like. Like I hit him.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

I got my phone after the game. They like, oh, he hit the ref.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm like, man, we. I'm six feet away from him.

[Fred VanVleet]

He jumped. He flinched. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He also get caught in that. Damn. I Knowing that all of them is the same. That's pretty dope though.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, they regular tech. Yeah, a regular tech is what it's. Sorry. Something like that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I know what I'm telling. Keep God in your life.

[DJ Wells]

10K.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You might be 10K. You put the Lord into Ricky. I think mine was like 50k.

[Fred VanVleet]

Okay, well, what about.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

What about the. With the big eyebrows, though? The one that says something about dudes.

[Fred VanVleet]

Sony brothers.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So did you just let.

He just like. Nah, I cussed him out, but he kind of was like, I ain't know.

[Fred VanVleet]

It was your mama, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Okay.

I was like this.

[DJ Wells]

That resurfaced recently too.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, it did?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. Shout out to mama.

[DJ Wells]

Now, this is a crazy list right here. The first one, two bands, 6 to 10, 3, 11 to 15, 4, 16 and up. Damn.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Draymond holding this down. And Maluka boy holding it down.

[Fred VanVleet]

5K a piece is crazy then. It's like the main thing for me was like, you see the reputation then. Like, I had a whole reputation. I still got the reputation. But the rest of that year it was ugly. I mean, I don't shoot no free throws. I might be some decent now. Cause I'm the president again. But other than that, it was ugly. Like, I'm like, yo, y' all painting me like I'm one of them.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, yeah, but he talking all that time. What's your name in that? Rico in the sister.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's ugly.

[DJ Wells]

That zebra Rico different boy.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's over. It's hard to get that back. Nah, for sure, for sure.

[DJ Wells]

Hey, man, Midwest guy, for sure. Growing up in Illinois, hoop scene was crazy in Chicago. How was that? Like, I know obviously you was killing, but they say you didn't get as much like love or deserve. Well, deserve love. Cause you didn't play on the AU circuit around the way.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, it was cool. I mean, we played everywhere. We played Indiana a lot. Probably more than. Than Illinois. I mean, you go to Chicago sometimes, but Indiana had the better tournaments. Maryville two one nine area, they had the speeds joint out here. Oh, yeah?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

We used to play the Indiana teams in my class was all the good teams. So I used to love playing them.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Who was your class?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yogi Farrell.

[DJ Wells]

Osty Yogi Indiana Legend.

[Fred VanVleet]

Indiana Elite. Oh, yeah. Speech City Heat. Yeah, yeah, we played a couple. I think Glenn Robinson was Indiana. Yeah. Yeah. So I played against them, Hannah Perea, like, all of them teams with the IDU Adidas joint. So, shit, we come out here and get some bump. And then Illinois was tough. Jabari Parker was younger than me, but that era. But, yeah, I mean, you know, AAU circuit and then like, MC Urban Fire. And by the time I got to the point where I was like a teenager, I thought I was grown. So it was like they was already too late. They coming, like, with the shoe bag and all that shit, like, come play for us. I'm like, man, I'd rather just play with my homies. Cause I'm not from the city. I'm from Bakar away.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

So are you from Rockford?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, I'm from Rockford.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Hey, y' all got a restaurant. Y' all got salt down there. It's so goddamn. That's about, like 45 minutes. What?

[Fred VanVleet]

Salt and rock.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I promise. Salt is so good, bro. And that rock. That's the best one. Jesus Christ. They got a sea bass, they got ribeye.

[Fred VanVleet]

But, like, why did you go mashed potatoes, huh? Why did you go.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'mma stay in the city. You can stay outside of Rockford. You know what I mean? It ain't a bad drive to go over to the city.

[Fred VanVleet]

45 minutes from all.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

With free.

[Fred VanVleet]

I know why you was out.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Respectfully.

[Fred VanVleet]

Respectfully.

[DJ Wells]

Respect. I had a move, little tournament.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Go get B.

Drove to Mexico.

[Fred VanVleet]

He drove to Rockford.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Respect. Yeah, quick overhaul.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's definitely out the way.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's funny as hell, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, so it was cool. Like, I'd rather play with my homies and, you know, try not to get caught up in that other shit. And that was it. And then by the time I was in high school, we was beating all the good teams, so I was super cool. We just ain't had the shoe shit, the sponsorships and all that.

[DJ Wells]

Ain't it crazy now? Obviously, it was all about the college situation where you went to, man. You made your moves, know what I'm saying? Wichita State with the nil and stuff. Now, how do you think it would have been? Especially the way y' all had that campus rocking when you was there.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, we could have never. We could have never had the team that I had with Nil. But I would have been gone off the jumper. Yeah, true. 100,000. I'm out. That's. I don't even need too much. But it is money in Wichita and The coach that we had, he would have got the money out the community. But, yeah, I mean, it's so much. Bro, you 18, 19, like, that's just a lot of money, bro. You know what I'm saying? It's really up the game in terms of, like, your mindset. Because my whole mindset was like, I'm going to Wichita. I'm kind of out the way. Ain't really have, like, no college life. Like, the shit you see when you growing up, like, the parties and all that. Wichita have none of that shit. You go to the bar and I was in the lab, I'm like, man, I'm trying to go to the league. I'm gonna have my fun in the league. So if we would have been getting paid back, then it would have been stupid.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, you talk about that all the time. Like you said, if I'm getting paid 100 bands, 200 bands at 18, where's my hunger at? Cause I already made it in most people's eyes.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, it would have been over for me.

[Fred VanVleet]

Over.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

It was already. He sent me my rookie year. It was over.

[Fred VanVleet]

Oh, man.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

But it just. I don't know, man. I think that all comes from the crib, too, though. If the crib is cool. Y' all be cool with that. Little cheese, bro.

But think about it. If you get in, let's say you a top, top player. You get a million your first year, and somebody tell you, you can get this for the next four years. I'm not thinking about the NBA at all. At all. Million dollars.

If I'm the top motherfucker, I'm out of there.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, for sure. But it's a lot of other players that. Like I'm saying, I'm just speaking for myself. Like, I wasn't on no draft court nowhere, never. None of my four years. So it's like, I had to keep. But if I would have been getting, like a 750 or something, I'd have been like, shit. I'm thinking. You know what I'm saying? And there's no overhead.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Went to Miami.

[Fred VanVleet]

Oh, Nigel, Nigel.

[DJ Wells]

Little bro ran it up.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's true.

[DJ Wells]

That's true.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Start throwing parties.

[DJ Wells]

Oklahoma. Got another bag still with.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I wouldn't have been thinking nothing about that. I would have bought a. You know me, I'm crap. Probably bought Lambo.

[Fred VanVleet]

You a got no bills. You send something to the crib, make sure mom and them straight and dad 5. Be a month outside. You a teenager still. Really, Fred?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'mma live. Yeah, I was Vernon Maxwell. That thing I'm saying, but if I'm there, I still want to go to the league. Did you have like aspirations to go to the league or did you want to be the best college player you want?

[Fred VanVleet]

Nah, hell no. I hated college. I wanted to go to the league. My whole mindset every day was trying to get to the league. I just was crazy enough to think I was going to go right away, you know what I'm saying? I didn't even start my freshman year. I came off the bench till once we went to the tournament. I started playing more and more. And then my sophomore year, we had a real good team. We was number one in the country that year. Hell yeah. So that's when the scouts started coming to practice and so, okay, I'm lit, but I had a good. My setup was sweet in college though. I wasn't trying to leave too fast. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I was trying to get drafted. That was my main thing. Like I thought I could work up the draft boards, but that don't work like that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Nah.

[DJ Wells]

Like you say, I had a whip. Well, Clancy was there.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Ron Baker, y' all had a whip. I had pros on that team.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, we had a good ass team, bro. But I think I had a good coach too. And I was just. Because like we got a lot of young guys on our team now. Like some, a lot of the kids that's come to the NBA now, they don't know how to play. Damn. So like I was just happy that I had a good coach and he taught me how to play. So by the time I got to the league, I kind of, you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Transition was easy.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

I had a good foundation to go off of. That helped me a lot.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, you always talk about that. Even as a high school coach, he was like, I'm having to teach stuff that we should learn in elementary school now that kids, they're not kids, but they get into the NBA and having to learn how to do pick and.

[Fred VanVleet]

Rolls and they learn the game backwards. Now you do all the difficult shit first.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

You know what I'm saying? And by the time you get, you know, it's like a certain age, like if you can't shoot by the time you 18, you probably cook pretty much. You ain't.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Is that how it is?

Some shit you can't fix. 8 and just so gifted that you can't deny it.

Damn.

As a guard, if you can't shoot right now, you kind of cut and.

[Fred VanVleet]

It'S NBA it's hard. It's hard to add it.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I. Niggas better get a job, boy. If you can't shoot by 18, then you gotta be six' eight, I'm saying.

Cause you gotta have something gotta jump off the screen. Like, I used to scout, we used to say, what's his superpower? Right.

Yeah.

So if your superpower is. If I can't find it when I'm looking at you, shit you cooked, I need to come in the gym and be able to see your superpower immediately. Like, ah, he can shoot.

So we shooting the most important thing to get somebody into the NBA right now?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, I think so. What's. What they paying for? Yeah, I think I mean size, just being tall, just, you know, that's always gonna win over size of athleticism. Cause that's what it is. It's like you gotta be a freaking nature out there. That's what everybody got to survive. But I mean, shooting is the separator to me. Like, if you can shoot, the better. The more better you can shoot, the better your chance is gonna be. Because that's what they paying for right now. Spacing and shooting. You know what I'm saying? And so if you don't have that, you just have more of a disadvantage. So your other shit gotta be off the road.

[DJ Wells]

They gotta be a superior athlete.

[Fred VanVleet]

Much better.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, you gotta have a competitive nature too. Like, that's the one thing I always appreciate about your game. Like, even being a smaller guard. Like, I wasn't a defender at all. But you was actually known for your defense, right? So when you came in the league, I was like, this really be guarded. I was like laughing at him like, ah, this trying hard as. And I'm like, hold on, motherfuckers. Is with that.

[Fred VanVleet]

Sure.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

And then he started scoring. Like, he always been a good shooter, but then he started adding more and more to his game. But he was known for defense. Like when I watched you in the finals guarding Steph. Yeah. I'm like, he really guard Steph.

[Fred VanVleet]

Damn.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's crazy.

Like, he doing a good job. Like, what the.

[Fred VanVleet]

And you gotta be cool with that. I knew was laughing at me like, I ain't I squirting. You know what I'm saying? I just don't talk. Like I just. From me being in Houston, people just realize I'm not from Canada.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

You know what I'm saying? So, like, you don't know I came. I ain't had no vc, I ain't have no swag nothing.

[DJ Wells]

Like got out the Mud, you know what I'm saying?

[Fred VanVleet]

But I'm out. That bitch. Picking up full court. I remember my rookie year. I think I played in okc or we played okc, and I picked up Russ. Full court. And I remember everybody's like, yo, what.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

The fuck you doing, man?

[Fred VanVleet]

Like, nobody pick him up full court. I'm like, shit, I'm trying to figure it out. You know what I'm saying? Like, I gotta find a way somehow. So I was willing to do whatever goddamn to make my way. So now that was the way I got in. It was like, all right, you gotta play, D. You gotta change the game and change the tempo. That was like, the two things that I tried to do. And then the offense came later.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I was just about to ask you that, like, when you transition from college to going to the NBA, what was that like, bro?

[Fred VanVleet]

Like, man, it was cool. It was hard because I was trying to make it. Like, I was trying to find some security, you know, from being undrafted. Yeah. Not having a guaranteed contract. I was just trying to get, like, some security, like a year or two, then I could work on my game. So that first part was tough. And then once I realized, like, I wasn't playing, I was just enjoying it, you know what I'm saying? I'm in the league. I'm chilling. I'm eating Skittles on the bench. Like, I'm just watching the show, you know? That's how I go. And then, like, when you don't have no chance of playing, you really just chilling, traveling, and you outside for sure. So I did that. But I worked on my game every day, and I studied every day, you know what I'm saying? And I just stuck close to the vest that I had. And so that was, like, that first initial transition. And then once I started playing, then I built it a little bit more from there. But at first, I was just happy to be there. I'm still happy to be here, but I was just super happy to be in the league at that point, for sure.

[DJ Wells]

Hell, yeah. Obviously, a lot of respect. How you got to the NBA, it kept grinding and made your way in the situation very admirable. But it's funny now. You went to the G League, made the most of it, and got back in league. Now you got people in the G League trying to go back to college.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That is crazy.

[DJ Wells]

That boy is like, yeah, I'm in the G League.

[Fred VanVleet]

Fuck it.

[DJ Wells]

Let me go back to my school. The times is wicked.

[Fred VanVleet]

What y' all think about that? Because I don't know, I got a different couple of opinions on that because.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I feel like, lame saying fresh, but.

[DJ Wells]

You gotta get it. But a bag is there.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

If I played in. In the NBA, if I guarded Fred Van Fleet and I played a whole season or two in the NBA, Nick, I'm not going back. God damn it. Boston University. Yeah, I'm not doing that, bro.

[DJ Wells]

But if you're not getting no brain.

[Fred VanVleet]

I don't think it's been nobody that did that. I think it's like, it's been.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Look, bro, it's about to be people.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's. How many games did he play in the league?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

10. They said 10.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's what I'm saying. Like, bro, if you. If you. Because they young, right? This is what I'm saying. They young.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

So if you young and just shit, you jump early and it ain't work out for you. They getting paid anyway. All that college.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You should have went right back.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah, it did.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You should have run right back.

It's just really. The new G League. The better G League.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's a better G league. The only thing I was going to say was, duh. We let the. The Europeans can come over whenever.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, that's a fact.

[Fred VanVleet]

They can sign with college. They can go pro. They can do it. There's no restrictions on them.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

See, I ain't nobody 30 year old European.

[Fred VanVleet]

So they. Yeah, they. They only say.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm not arguing saying.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, I'm saying. But then, like, the kid from Baylor got all the attention. I don't know how many have done it. Yeah, I seen the kid from Baylor, but like, man, he ain't impacting the game like that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fred VanVleet]

Like, if he was coming, like, and he was a national player of the year, be like, all right, bro, you tripping. Freshman still. All right, Bailey, if he get to play, Colle gonna have a run.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He g. He gonna kill.

[Fred VanVleet]

He gonna kill. You know what I'm saying? But they pros now, so. You know, pros gotta play against pros.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

That's like our dog Charles, Bo, when they played Florida yesterday and they start beating him, they was just like, G League dropout. I'm like, that's crazy.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Now if you go back, you gotta kill. That's my problem. You gotta kill, you gotta kill. You go back, average 10 now, putting pressure on.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Now you gotta go back and average 25. See, y' all not with it. Then y' all wait.

Go make more money.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Pros at this point.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I don't Never want to stop you.

Like I seen Dwayne son. So he going back. He ain't never go. But it's your time.

[Fred VanVleet]

How old is he?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, he cool. He might be 20. What? Bronnie probably 20, 31. So he's probably 23.

[DJ Wells]

Nah, that was the thing that would up if brought it went back to USC that have been fired.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

No. That's hard.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think Brian and Brownie should go to Ohio State.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

All three of them. Anyway, he's 23. So he do.

[DJ Wells]

Hey, Bron got four years it he.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Need to go to Marquette.

I'm cool with that.

[Fred VanVleet]

Well, that's like the NBA. They average age like 25.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, yeah. I told niggas old ass team.

[DJ Wells]

Hey, hold on, hold on. One of them.

[Fred VanVleet]

Nobody say nothing about them.

[DJ Wells]

We will respect. See, look. Average age is 23. That's Kobe year. We good money.

[Fred VanVleet]

I just don't.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

They all sing.

Just being pro and going back to play with the youngsters. Bro, that's crazy because if I'm not going to. If I'm not going and I don't have better years than AJ the Basser or oh boy from Kansas is quiet, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think the. I think the real issue they not.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Better than him though.

[Fred VanVleet]

And Jeff probably know how you coach in high school. So like I think the high school kids get the. The short end.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Of all of this shit.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Because it's like.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Exactly.

[Fred VanVleet]

The coach is just in the portal or they going to get.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yes bro pro.

[Fred VanVleet]

So like that. It's harder for a high school kid to get recruited and come in and play. You got to be like stupid nice.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You gotta be McDonald's all American down.

[DJ Wells]

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[DJ Wells]

Look right now and the best players, some of them at least and say right now are all freshmen and they put belts all the more niggas too.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

But I like it because like if you, you know a lot of people want to go high major and they go there and they don't play right away or they don't get a chance or they might play their junior senior year. Now you can go to a lower level school, A D Lower D1 Mid Major. If you really good you gonna shine there.

I agree with you on that one.

I like that though.

I'm saying do you bring these motherfuckers back to the college? Do they get drafted now?

Oh no, it's quiet.

[Fred VanVleet]

No it's over with. You ain't going back back then back.

[DJ Wells]

Twice is crazy.

[Fred VanVleet]

Can't get drafte.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Make sure y' all trying to get a higher level for overseas.

[DJ Wells]

Y' all remember this day I drafted twice is crazy. I'll wait for the person to go back and really kill it wait till the 125 year old go back to college and go to the final four.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yes, bro.

I want to see that.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I do too.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I do. I want everybody to be.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think all rules should be the same. If we're going to let Europeans do or people from overseas or foreign people, like let them come. Whatever they should be able to do, we should be able to do. And I think the NBA is going to step in at some point and make it make sense. Cause like ultimately the league will be better if those leagues are better. If college and G League is better, that's going to give us better players too. They'll step in at some point.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

The league gonna have to step in because I would never go to. I wouldn't go straight to the G League.

[Fred VanVleet]

You going straight to the G. I.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Would never go to college. I go in the G League first and see if I can make it to the league if I can't. Going to college.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Like, why would I ever step on college campus first?

[DJ Wells]

For what?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, I got a chance to go back. I go overseas. I'll do all that stuff first.

[DJ Wells]

Damn, that's funny.

[Fred VanVleet]

Sure, man.

[DJ Wells]

That is crazy. I can go back. It's a hell of a fallback plan. But it just looked crazy, bro. Like we was talking about it. You've been on campus with 19 year olds.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, bro. I mean, you get paid so much in college though, so I see why people will go, though.

[Fred VanVleet]

Like true.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

It's free money. They need to open straight out of high school again though. Cause like. Yeah. Cause Darren Peterson, A.J. the Benson, that was pointless, bro.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, those NBA players.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, it's pointless to be in college right now. I know they making a lot of money, but what we doing, bro?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, the both of them is pros.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Cooper Flag, he did a year.

[DJ Wells]

Come on. Pointless years.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

That is crazy. Shout out to Stackhouse. Not Stackhouse. Jamal Mashburn, bro. Cooper Flag would have been top five this year as well, bro. He said he was this year. He reclassed for a reason. I'm like, nah, bro, respect. I know the freshman's cold, but Cooper Flag just never had 50, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, he said. He said he wouldn't have been top off.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, he said he'd have been number six.

[DJ Wells]

He put the Dr. Umar on it, so I ain't mad at it. I get it. It's like history month. I'm rolling as well. But Cooper flack. Damer dropped 50, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, Cooper Flack.

[DJ Wells]

No, he nice if he was at Duke With Cam Loser right now.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, my God.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, he nice.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He probably be the number two pick.

[Fred VanVleet]

And he. They age.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, he.

[Fred VanVleet]

They age. Yeah. Yeah, he gonna be a step ahead of them. He got a year on now. Yeah, he nice. I fuck with his game.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Back to you, bro. When you first got your real footing in the league, how'd that feel, man? When you got your shot?

[Fred VanVleet]

Man, my first deal. My first deal was two years, and I signed another two years.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

And then so it's like two years 18, and, man, that was it. I was cool. I never looked back. Like, shit, I ain't going back. You know what I'm saying? I played a little bit, like 40 games my rookie year. I was like a backup my second year, and then I got a contract, so I'm like, fuck. And then my third year, we won the chip.

[DJ Wells]

Hell, yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

It was like, shit, I'm lit. You know what I'm saying? I'm 25, got paid, made some money. I was like, I'm here. Cause like, you think you good. You got confidence. You know you good. You play against your peers and shit like that, but you always waiting on, like I said, some security, you know what I'm saying? Especially when you come in, you see a guy that's drafted, lottery or the first round, they get four, five years to figure it out. You know what I'm saying? So you had time. My shit was like. Like, you just waiting on the opportunity, you know what I mean?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

And I jotting down no deals.

[Fred VanVleet]

Nah, hell no. I mean, I always tell people, like, they be getting that shit misconstrued, bro. Like, you only can operate with the deal that's on the table.

[DJ Wells]

It's a fact.

[Fred VanVleet]

What's on the table? So you be turning down some shit that's on the table for some shit that is imaginary?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

So whatever the best deal on the table is, that's where I'm going with.

[DJ Wells]

Every time I hear. That's the Jeff Sean bottle right there, Bab.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Still late for Gabe Quinn Grom. He got his money, but that's qg.

That's a hell of a gamble.

I told Cam Thomas that, though.

[Fred VanVleet]

You did.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Don't leave that chain.

[Fred VanVleet]

You got to take that money, bro. You don't know what's going to happen. And the fucked up part about the NBA is they'll do you dirty Black.

[DJ Wells]

Don'T if you don't take it.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, we see that.

[DJ Wells]

The president doing y'.

[Fred VanVleet]

All.

[DJ Wells]

Nah, I respect y' all happy.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's just business. Yeah, I think Even more so than basketball. Just business. Like, how can you negotiate with some shit that you don't even have available to you? Like, I know I'm worth more than that.

[DJ Wells]

Like, all right, yeah, you work for, they pay.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

They tell you what you worth.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, you work. Motherfucker willing to pay you. So, yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Then when you don't, you in the tunnel trying to smack people the market telling you, bro, you gotta put hands.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

And feet to people.

[DJ Wells]

Cause they disrespect your paycheck.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Did you do something crazy with that first piece of change?

[Fred VanVleet]

Nah, I really be chilling. I bought a rolly. Yeah, that was like my first thing. I bought a rolly. I had already bought my mom a crib when I on my first deal. I was making like 500,000 my first year. Then my second year was 900, so I bought my mom a crib. And then, man, we went to Vegas, though. We definitely went to Vegas, out the gate, took all the guys to Vegas. We signed and then we flew with the management from Toronto to Vegas for summer league. And yeah, we had a time. We had like a three, four day trip, just straight. Yeah. Fresh off the bag. I bought a Rollie. That was it, though. I don't know. I was just.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, you from a small town.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

And your journey was a little bit different. He had to fight for that spot. So he was like, I'm enjoying this bread. I'm happy. I got it.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm fucking, man. I was like a regular person before I was in the NBA. Like when I was in college, I was lit, but like, bro, I was. I was a regular person. Like, nobody know who I am, you know what I'm saying? Like, I wasn't coming in. I'm just a superstar. And everybody kissing my ass. Like, I had to grind for that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

So that's dope.

[Fred VanVleet]

It was a little bit easier for me when I got the money. Now I still some money up.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

No, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

[Fred VanVleet]

You know what I'm saying? As we all do. But I think like Jury and like that cars, but. But, hell no. I. I work too hard for mine for that.

[DJ Wells]

Like you said, getting in the rotation, you look at that squad of people. I had everybody damage still around, still thriving. They all stars.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, yeah, he got squad.

[DJ Wells]

Come on, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Everybody became all star.

[DJ Wells]

Ask MP Got his first all star.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. You know my guy, freaky P.E.

[DJ Wells]

My guy, P. Skills. Four time first ballot.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Now being first ballot, I'm fucking with it. I just think, you know, P. Skills, you holler at me.

[Fred VanVleet]

If you feel away.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I thought you had to be on a winning team to make the all star game. Nah, I don't hate nobody all star Nas.

[Fred VanVleet]

But it's the east, man. Anything goes in the east, man.

[DJ Wells]

He's still living off the 2015 snub. But LaMelo ball. That's what he on right now.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Well, last year. Yeah, yeah, like Lamelo didn't make it, bro. And P. Skills got in. That's I ain't gonna hate, bro. I think on some real shit like what are the rules?

[Fred VanVleet]

No, I think.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

And you the president.

[Fred VanVleet]

All right, listen, look, I think when it comes down to it now, when you get to that point, you gonna pick somebody that's already been in there over somebody that's never been in. Like I said, you gotta have repeat years. Yeah, I'm defending my man, obviously.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Nah, that was still God.

[Fred VanVleet]

At the same time, I think it do like you will pick somebody that's already been an all star. Then you will pick somebody that's not an all. It don't work like, oh, he not an mvp. They'll give to somebody that never had it before. They do like doing that boulders fatigue is real mvp. But I don't know this the coaches. So I. I think you know, the coaches play for the reserves.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's who you need to be talking to.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

And he an international player though.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

So you know they got the international.

[Fred VanVleet]

The world.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, World.

[Fred VanVleet]

Craig USA versus the world.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

All right.

[Fred VanVleet]

You ain't rolling. I ain't mad at you. Got your opinion. I don't want.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Cause I don't want a friend. You feel me?

[Fred VanVleet]

He. He.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I don't want to bench roll it too much, but.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, I want to hear what you think, but.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Because there's too many rules to make the all star team. It's. I swear to God. The needle moves every year, bro.

[DJ Wells]

MPJ should have been all star.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Are trash, bro. Skills is a killer. Oh God. He can hoop on my mama. You shouldn't be no all star, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

So you like horrible bro. You like MPJ over him?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yes. Yes, bro. I left. I left my. I left my. That 67. I left my trash ass team that didn't fuck with me. And I'm over here killing now, bro. Nah, I'm killing. I got my own team. Like I left a championship team. My fault. Not trash ass. A championship team now I'm the man. I'm averaging 25.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, he very deserving, I think I'm never taking him over Pascal anything basketball related ever. No no, no.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Y' all real basketball players, though, bro. But All Star game, nigga throw that motherfucker between his legs.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's the other thing. That's the other thing, too. That'd be my arg Is like, I think those lists should be different lists. Who gonna put the best All Star game on?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

All Star game should always have a Trey Young, a LaMelo, Kyrie. You know what I'm saying? That's exciting moments. We talking about just like the best players or like the best season. I'm not taking him over Pascal, bro. I, I, I respect your opinion.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Nah, if we, if we're doing a draft on God, give me Pascal every time. I'm talking about for the excitement of this game. Like, respect, bro. We need NPJ volleyball line three to see Lamelo.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's always bro. He African, too, so, you know, on the world. Yeah, but that's right. Always guys that's deserving to be All Stars that don't make it every year.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's gonna be a snub every year. You just don't want it to be you. Yeah, B, I deserve to be in there.

[DJ Wells]

That's a fact issue year, cuz.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Patting them. They cat slid in there this year.

Yeah, it's New York.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, that is crazy. Respectfully. I mean, it's crossing the towns, but All Star year. I'm sleep. But the E is.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I mean, he really popped. I mean, his numbers like, all. Yeah, his numbers still say All Star on.

[DJ Wells]

They just about to say this nigga about to be on team.

[Fred VanVleet]

He playing like an All Star. What's Cat numbers?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He playing 22 or 13.

[DJ Wells]

It's gonna be respectable because it's Cat for sure.

[Fred VanVleet]

Name what top four in the East.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, he also, bro playing like an All Star, bro. We just expect him to play like 2011. All right, 2011, 2012.

[DJ Wells]

I'm round up.

[Fred VanVleet]

Gotta round that up.

[DJ Wells]

I'm respected. 2012 is a solid number killer, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

All these. I just be.

[Fred VanVleet]

I just think that's a bad year.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

For Cat, that's all.

[DJ Wells]

I'm glad go to Joel and B numbers. I know, I know he ain't gonna ever qualify because he don't play.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

A different look for the league. No, because people are pulling away from it.

[Fred VanVleet]

So what do right. So now, because I'm in this seat now and I'm in this conversation, what would y' all check?

[DJ Wells]

Go back to the regular jerseys now.

[Fred VanVleet]

That I'm first and foremost.

[DJ Wells]

And B, I know he don't play that much, but 27. 7 is crazy balling now that I'm.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Talking to the motherfucker president. Get this off my goddamn.

[Fred VanVleet]

Come on, let's get it.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Listen, I'mma get right all these goddamn. I get it, bro. The foreigners, they running the league. Top players, I get it. But all these people playing these, the. The American play the foreigner. And then you got them play the. The G League. Then you play the American team. Then the winners out of that play each other. Then the first to 12 like all this, bro. Go back to when it was a regular matchups. Like yeah, the best 12 versus the best 12 no matter where you from.

[Fred VanVleet]

You like east west or.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, east west or just blended. We just want to see the all star game, be a regular NBA game again, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

Bro, I'm with you. I'll be having these same conversations, but I think the fans got more. More input than they think they got. Cause Adam, ultimately the league is listening to what the fans want, what they want to see. And he don't have like a bias either way, you know what I'm saying? But we do gotta fix this shit. We gotta address it, you know what I'm saying? I think my thing was. I said the jersey. It was a simple thing. Come on, let's go back to the jerseys. Nike used to do the shoes. Everybody had a specific sho. And I think you just get the best 24, the top 24 and figure out a way to separate the all star from the all NBA shit, you know what I'm saying? Because it's like two different things. I'm rolling. I might want to be a all star just for my contract or for my purposes on some Jimmy Butler shit. But I might not even actually want to play. That's a fact, you know what I mean? Or I'm hurt. But then you taking away from somebody else that could get in there too. So. No, I'm with you.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

But.

[Fred VanVleet]

But NBC Olympics coming up, you know, that's where the world come from.

[DJ Wells]

And the NBA is obviously dab. And the European stuff. I'm sure in a couple years I'll.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Have over there game is played in America, man. Damn, man. Take that having games or take that to China, bro. And do all these playing each other, bro.

I will play.

[Fred VanVleet]

Bring.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Bring back the vibes, man.

[DJ Wells]

They used to mean something, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Used to seeing Jordan and goddamn Iverson and Shaq and whoever else, bro.

PMAC love it like that though still.

I think he would.

[Fred VanVleet]

I talked to a couple young guys this year that said they going, they going to go put on the show. So I'm hoping. I ain't going to say who it.

[DJ Wells]

Is, but Wimpy said he own that. He said I don't know if everybody playing hard, but I am.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm hoping that young, the young next guys, once the old guys get out the way, the young next guys can bring that back. Because like the old, I mean, I mean what bron 22 years in a row, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and he put on a show every year. But it's just hard like for them to fly somewhere and then putting them in these bullshit cities. Nah, you know what I wanna see for a day?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I wanna see Ant go at Shay. I want him like call him out. Me and you.

Yes, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, we need Ant to play hardest.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, can't do that.

[Fred VanVleet]

We need Ant to play hell. What he shoot all left hand shots last year or some shit? Yeah, we need Ant to play, to.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Just lock in, bro.

If he go ass shit, then we good.

Because the dunk contest already gone, bro. After smithereens.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, it's not coming back.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

What's.

[DJ Wells]

What's that Cook?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

What's my. What's my white boy from Georgetown. Yeah, y' all didn't wash that and rinsed him off and rung him out and washed him and rinsed like he's cooked.

Yeah, he said he was.

He is a four time NBA and that can't stay in the league to save his life.

[DJ Wells]

They put the popeyes lady next to him. I'm tired of saving me.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You gonna use me like this for this time.

[Fred VanVleet]

Hear me out though. 10 day right before February 1st. He might get a 10 day tomorrow. Bread, bro, that might be 100,000.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Listen, don't play with my emotions. Y' all be having this go and do all this jump over people and cars and sign a play 12 games. Yeah, we'll call you next year. Yeah, bro, it's me.

[Fred VanVleet]

Though. But listen, if you get all the net, if you get the names that you want in the there and they go out there and miss and do all that, then people gonna kill. It's hard to have a dunk contest in 2020.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Listen, nobody. It's no disrespect to to Mac didn't nobody give a. If he made a.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, I'm with you on that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

VJ and them young get out there and all them get out there and try some crazy. It's gonna be exciting. Yeah, they might miss it, but at least you get to see the best players in the league. Or you don't even got to be the best players. It could be a medium tier guy.

[Fred VanVleet]

I look at somebody, a good example for me, like, I think Jalen Brown did it.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

A year or two ago.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Or when out there. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm thinking about it already.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

It don't help.

[DJ Wells]

No turbo dunk don't help, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I ain't Mike right here. I ain't gonna say nothing. When Zach. When Zach and Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon did it, bro. They ain't the best players in the league.

[Fred VanVleet]

They're like special dunkers, though.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's what we need.

No more dunks, bro. It ain't no more bj.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, it is.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, God.

[DJ Wells]

Both the Thompson fans get in there.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

These YouTubers be clowning, bro.

Yeah, they dunk every single day. They are basketball players, bro.

They hoop.

[Fred VanVleet]

They work that game.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

They shoot three.

[DJ Wells]

Because you put a million dollars up and think that would entice people to do it, say, all right, Million Dollar dirt contest. Who fucking?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, but I also. We just had this conversation, too. I also. I don't want to. I don't want to keep, like, throwing money in niggas face too. Like, everything got a dollar amount too. Like, oh, y' all gotta play hard. We gonna give you money.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Like, no. Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Some shit gotta be for the love of the game. Too high. I'm wrong, like, because that's gonna bring more out of it than, like. Yes, it should be a prize, some type of incentive. But at some point, like, come on, bro. This is what we love to do, too.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I don't think I give you a million dollars to play in it. Cause y' all about to get out there bullshitting. But to win it, you got a chance.

[Fred VanVleet]

But then you leaving it up to the judge. And now you ready to fight.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Fight.

[DJ Wells]

I'm something. Well, if you give me a 45.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Another thing y' all need to do now. Hold on. Do you. You over the All Star. You help pick.

[Fred VanVleet]

We have conversation. All right.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Y' all need to get some who ain't see now that's judges.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Get some who can see straight.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think NBC doing. I think I said the mailman.

[DJ Wells]

That's what they call the mailbox. Yeah. Them happy C and Utah is a choice.

[Fred VanVleet]

I mean, about.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Feel like me right now.

[Sponsor Announcer]

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[Fred VanVleet]

I don't want.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Listen, Fred, my guy, you don't have to respond to nothing that I'm saying. I want you just to hear what I'm saying.

[Fred VanVleet]

Let's go.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

All the way I said the m. Man, any that played in the 80s, you can't watch these young you paw. You know what I mean? Throw a water.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think we got Vince TMac. There it is. So yeah, you like them?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, him done contest cuz all them had hops. All them understand what to look for some like that.

[DJ Wells]

Okay, the judges this year. Kevin Garnett. I'm rolling. Tracy McGrady. Baron Davis and Jason Richardson.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I don't got no lim.

[DJ Wells]

I'm with that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's all I'm saying.

[Fred VanVleet]

Listen, that's why I'm ask y' all cuz I with y' all just don't be with them that just sit up here and just on give us some solutions umbrella. Listen people listen.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I be trying bro. I don't be trying on that. But clearly somebody listen y' all went from I just got in there.

[DJ Wells]

Now my next motion is Jericho Sims can never do a D contest again. After that contest.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I thought that was a wrestler.

Listen.

[DJ Wells]

He do jump but when he that pissed me off off.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

It ain't no more dunks, bro. Yeah, we ran out no more.

Listen, it's a kid every day.

[Fred VanVleet]

Would you.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

It's some dunk slip.

[Fred VanVleet]

Which I think about like horse or some like that or 1v1 some Pro bowl or 1v1 like something else different than what we don't got right now.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, I'd like to see 1v1.

[DJ Wells]

1V1 all star ones or king of.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

The hill three dribbles.

[Fred VanVleet]

Something the only thing I'm worried about with that it might take.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Ones don't look like how it look on Instagram in real life.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Matter of fact.

[Fred VanVleet]

Oh God.

[DJ Wells]

That's like you might shout out to the next chapter.

[Fred VanVleet]

15 minutes without a motherfucker making a shot. So I don't know if that make good tv.

[DJ Wells]

Nah, you need a ref too.

[Fred VanVleet]

And you need a ref.

[DJ Wells]

Ain't nobody giving the ball.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

If y' all went to five. You got three dribbles or seven seconds.

They had to play off like not live. They have to just show it like off the hard.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's what I'm worried about with the. With the ones. It don't really go like that in real life. People playing hard because the three point.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Contest is going to be the three point contest event.

[DJ Wells]

That's the best event.

[Fred VanVleet]

But I'm thinking like it's got to be something else. You could do some type of shoe.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I like the horse though.

But Stephanie made that B so exciting.

Yeah, I'm cool with that, bro. They kept that. But that's a shoe. It's only so much.

I mean, it's a PR league.

[Fred VanVleet]

So many ways.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You can shoot a 3i with it.

Cuz they get hot the whole rack one time be crazy, right?

Or y' all kicked about.

[Fred VanVleet]

I didn't do nothing. I just got in there.

[DJ Wells]

He's crazy.

[Fred VanVleet]

I don't know what's got. What they got going on. I support. I support the women. Shout out to the W and all that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

This is him every day. I hope y' all notice we just walking around. Like, I might change up a little bit. I might be, like, a little more politically correct when we off camera. I might say some. I really feel he say this here.

I be like, no, I didn't mean to say that. I didn't mean to ask you that.

[Fred VanVleet]

I really don't know. I didn't have nothing to do with.

[DJ Wells]

You did a skill challenge, didn't you?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, don't talk about what I'm saying.

When he did that, bro, it was look it up. Yeah, but I'm saying he missed everything that he did in that. They could have got rid of that, though. You was nervous, bro. You didn't want to do it. He didn't want to do it.

First layup.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You didn't want to be out there, is what I'm saying.

No, I tried to win. The second time I did it, I was. I was trying to block. Yeah, I was serious horse.

I. I'll with that if you.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think people literally love this, and they. They care about it. So we talk about it. But, like, you look around, don't nobody else care about mlb. NFL Pro bowl is a joke like everything else. Everything else is just like, when it comes to the All Star Game, it's just like everybody got something to say about it. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Only thing that's. There's no mlb.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, they got CP in there.

[Fred VanVleet]

Oh, before.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Nah, I missed the layup. Cause Kevin Hart gonna say before, he said, hey, nigga, don't miss the layup. And what I do.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, he done now.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

This the one I was trying to win.

Oh, yeah. This is a different one.

This one I was trying to win.

[Fred VanVleet]

What city is this?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

This might be New York.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, it's New York.

[DJ Wells]

Yo, la, we two days out. Chef Remix showdown is about to go up in the kitchen. Getting real active. Be hen. I know you tapped in, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, man. Chef's going face to face with the MC Crispy chicken strips, baby.

[DJ Wells]

And the hot honey sauce tea. Everything Live you know what time it is. 520 will beat in the building.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Call it how we see it. Feeling the food, the energy, the vibes. You already know what's going on.

[DJ Wells]

And, man, we going to have Cash Cobain in the building, so you know the vibes going to be high. He bringing the music and the energy. You got to pull up be hen real life, man. People got to slide, man.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

N hit the RSVP link right now, man, before everything fills up, man. Man, chill out, Jeff, man. Hopefully me and Cashco bank can go at it, man. We can have our own contest with the strips, man. Come on, strip off.

[DJ Wells]

You heard it here. Here first one v one. Strip off. Cashco babe be hit. 520. We're gonna be there live. Listen, if you want to see us and enjoy the vibes, RSVP now, man. It's limited. Spots is going to be a vibe, man. Real chefs, the competition. Hot honey sauce, MC Crispy Strips. We'll see y' all in la.

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[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh damn. I wouldn't know.

[Fred VanVleet]

Passing.

[DJ Wells]

My boy went on for the assist. What the.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Damn a long tooth. Long too.

[DJ Wells]

What the hell?

[Fred VanVleet]

J.R. smith Shots Man.

[DJ Wells]

I don't know.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

What year this for.

[DJ Wells]

Oh yeah?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Well I'm saying they bullshitting Bro. It's 30 seconds. It's over.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, cut this off. I'll do the math.

[Fred VanVleet]

I shot. I shot my first three on the side of the Backboard, three point contest.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Damn.

[Fred VanVleet]

I was mad as. I was mad as, bro. And I was hurt.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Was you nervous? What?

[Fred VanVleet]

I ain't never been nervous in my life. I'm talking shit. I'm doing my thing. I'm feeling good. I went to pick the ball up, bro. My biceps shrank, bro. I picked the ball up. I shot that motherfucker off the. And from the corner, off the side of backboard. I hit my homie, that motherfucker morning. Because they talked me into doing it. I didn't want to do it. Like, come on, bro, we all start, bro. You from Rockford. Do the three point contest.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Nobody from Rockford never made it to the All Star Game.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's right.

[DJ Wells]

Here we go.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm like, all right.

[DJ Wells]

Oh.

[Fred VanVleet]

Oh, shit. Yeah, bro. I was so nervous. You got the only thing going on.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

In the whole ring.

Yeah, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

You had a replay on my ass. I did the practice upstairs. It's in Cleveland. So we did the practice gym upstairs. I broke a record. The dude was gassing me. Like, man, nobody never practiced like this before. You gonna do great.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, they got wicked.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You the only thing on the court, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

I never been nervous like that ever in my life, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's a different kind of pressure, man.

[DJ Wells]

All Star Weekend, like you said, mlb, at least they put it to where the winning don't see a home field advantage in the World Series. I know that'd be crazy in the NBA if that happened. Cause a lot of people be pissed off.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think this year gonna be better, man. I'm hopeful because it's LA la.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

You know what I'm saying? We got a good mix. It's NBC. I hope this year is better. And I'm not going off of ratings. I'm not going off of none of that. I'm just going off. Like, all I care about is the vibe and the game.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

I don't even care about Saturday. I want the All Star Game to be something that people watch. Like, are they hooping? You know what I'm trying on the show.

[DJ Wells]

And I think it would because, like you said, concentrated efforts. Everybody's talking about it for years now. Even the players have been more vocal. So I think it'll be dope for sure.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

What was that like for you, though? Making an All Star team, Hearing your name. Game called, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

That was unbelievable, bro. Like, I still can't believe it. You know what I'm saying? I'll be laughing. Y' all be talking about the one time All Star. But like, like, I Was cool, you know what I mean? Like, it just came to the point where, you know my whole story up until that point, like, I thought I could do it because the year before I averaged like 19 or something or 18 and I was 20. Some shit like that. Something in that range. And before the season, Nick Nurse was like, man, we might need you to score 24, 25 a night. I'm like, oh, I never had nobody tell me nothing like that. I always been like a play defense, get guys the ball.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm like, oh, okay. They see it. So I'm hooping that year, you know what I'm saying? I'm like first option type. Pascal was hurt, but it was dope to come all the way down to that point. And then only what it up was, I got hurt. I hit my knee on the floor like a week or two weeks before all stuff. But I ain't tell nobody because I ain't want to give a spot out the gate. I was limping around the whole weekend. So that part kind of ruined. And it was Cleveland, it was ass, it was cold. It was just. I didn't have a good experience, but like making it to the all star game and being in the locker room and it was the NBA 75 that year when they legends back. So, like, it was all of us and all of them. Like, that's something that I never forget. I couldn't never imagine nothing like that. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You was there. Cause we had different people tell us about, like when they said Michael Jordan name compared to everybody else, what was it like?

[Fred VanVleet]

So it's exactly what they said. Because you gotta think. I mean, you so like, you got like the rehearsal. So like I said, we was upstairs, we was taking pictures, and I was kind of like just chilling off to the side, like behind was watching everybody. I'm looking at AI, I'm looking at everybody, and everybody's the in in there. Everybody except for Mike. So, like, you know, the chatter started, you know, like, oh, Mike ain't coming. He don't with us or he don't with them, or, you know, they got the old beef that they got going on. So all the way down to they doing the intros, they walking out, you know what I'm saying? Nobody ain't seen him, so he. Nobody didn't see him until they called his name.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Fred VanVleet]

Until he was walking out, right where he went to walk out. So it was. It was like the 75 was going crazy. The guys on the Court was going crazy first. Damn, that's wild. So then when they called him out, it was like he was like the last one. You know what I'm saying? Hell, yeah. He different in that world. He different. That's what showed for me. Cause you know what the fans think or, you know what I'm saying, Media or whatever, but for your peers, guys that's older than you, guys that's younger than you, guys you played against. So respect for him to be. Be the guy in that setting right there, I was like, damn, okay. That's different. That's what they be talking about.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, he number one. That'll make you look at somebody.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, you, You.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's what they be talking about when they like, ain't nobody with Mike. Yeah, I seen it in real life. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

For sure.

[DJ Wells]

When he told Magic, where your shoes at? Lace him up right now. That's what I need to do. All Star weekend. Isaiah Thomas versus MJ. That's what we need. Line it up. The first one v1. MJ, Isaiah Thomas.

[Fred VanVleet]

I ain't gonna lie, though. Zeke ain't going. They gonna be banging, man.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

What?

[DJ Wells]

Zeke gonna fight. Zeke still hating activists to this day.

[Fred VanVleet]

They gonna be banging.

[DJ Wells]

What was that moment? Like, obviously, you was in Toronto. You had the cornerstones of the franchise with Kyle and Demar. That trade happening, what was your first reaction to that?

[Fred VanVleet]

That shit was crazy. It was like, man, that was like my welcome to the business moment. You know what I'm saying? It was like, obviously you had. Everybody had a welcome to the NBA, but that was the first thing. It was like, oh, this shit ain't no game. It's not aau. It's not college. Like, because I was with Demar in Vegas, and this when the rumors started coming out. And so basically the rumors started coming out, and then they was like, nah, it ain't true. Like, I seen him and Masiah talking. I'm not, you know, whatever they talked about, they talked about. But, like, from seeing them talking at summer league till we had a. Like a team dinner. Some teams do team dinners at summer. They bring him up. Cause he had made all NBA the year before.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Crazy.

[Fred VanVleet]

They bring him up in front of the whole team and like, hey, Demar, you know what I'm saying? All NBA, whatever it was, I forgot the specific award. And they like, yeah, next year, Demar, he gonna be playing defense, and he gonna take another step and we gonna come back. And then shit was like, a couple days later, the trade came through. I'M like, damn, yo.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Crazy, isn't it?

[Fred VanVleet]

Crazy game, bro. Wow. So imagine, you know what I'm saying? Just knowing he felt he got his own story of how it went. But from my position, I was just like, damn. And then the flip side was the first report was that Kawhi didn't want to come. Facts that made it even worse. It was like we trading our man for somebody that don't even want to be here. This was the narrative at the time. But all that shit, it worked out.

[DJ Wells]

Kawhi is the og.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

It definitely did be here.

[DJ Wells]

He's og, the dpu.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Nah, for sure. That's the reason why I made it up. We fell to him.

[Fred VanVleet]

And then at that point, I hadn't played against Kawhi, I think, but one time. That was my. My first two years because he was hurt. So I only played. I didn't see him.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

We didn't either.

[DJ Wells]

So he got.

[Fred VanVleet]

I ain't know what we was getting, cuz he was going through the injury thing at the time. So, like, I ain't know what we was getting. So I'm just like, man, damn. Demar is my brother. Like, yeah, I'm saying, like, that's my dude. So I was up about. And then Kawhi came and we was in training camp, and I was like, okay, I get it, I get it. I know why they did it. You know what I'm saying? I'm a business.

[DJ Wells]

But it was tough hearing you talk about it in your pod and stuff, which is funny. You just like, I don't know why they traded for me, but fuck it, I'm here.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. And like, that was just the move. Cause you gotta think he really only talked to Kyle and maybe like Serge, you know what I'm saying? Here and there. But he's not a big energy guy, clearly. We see he cool, though, in real life, he talk way more than what he do to the media. But, like, if he come in the room and everybody in there, he not gonna just be the class clown in the room. So, yeah, I ain't really had that many conversations with him, but his whole thing was just like I told y' all before, y' all traded for me. Like, I ain't no what y' all doing. But that make it even more impressive to me. Cause, like, he still came and did what he was supposed to do.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Still came a who?

[Fred VanVleet]

And yeah, he the first.

[DJ Wells]

First NBA player to get a one and done situation. Like, yeah, all right, I got y' all ring. All right, cool.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I can't believe I wouldn't left. I don't know how he left, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's him. Yeah. He the only person in the history of the world that would have did that, bro. That's only him.

[DJ Wells]

Y' all would left too. He got to work from home for the Clippers. You see what he was on? He was like, bro, I live out of town in.

[Fred VanVleet]

Toronto. You would have to be there, bro. I'm talking about have a whole country, bro. Like bound down like a whole country.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yes.

[DJ Wells]

And we'll give you free rent, whatever you need.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

How was that, though, winning that championship?

Because I don't do that. I can see it lower. Oh, no, don't do it.

I don't want to talk about a Milwaukee bug, nothing. You don't got to worry about that, brother. You are not the only champion that came. Oh, God.

[Fred VanVleet]

I want you to kill your ass.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Respect, boy.

[DJ Wells]

Before we get. Before we get to the ship, y' all reaction with Kawhi hit that shot to get over the Sixers. That was crazy.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. I was jumping around like a little kid. Cause you gotta think I had a terrible series. Worst basketball of my life. I was just happy we was getting more game.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fred VanVleet]

Like, I ain't want to go out like that. My whole. I probably wouldn't even be sitting here the whole rest of my career would have been different if we lose that game seven. Because I didn't get hot till after that.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

You know what I'm saying? I was. I was shit up until that point. So to see, like, you know, I'm on the bench. It was in front of our bench to see. I'm like, oh, damn. Now I'm talking about. We all was just happy to get out of that series. Philly gave us a hell of a series. That was a tough team.

[DJ Wells]

I know it's different times, but we talk about it. That was the Ben Simmons that we.

[Fred VanVleet]

All grew to love.

[DJ Wells]

That Ben Simmons was cold and me too. They had a whip.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. He was different.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Ben Simmons, come on, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

Jimmy jj, he was a big ass team. I think James Ennis was on that team.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah. They had a squad.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. That was a good team.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Kawhi was that deal, bro. He did special.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's the best shit I ever seen. Like, in person, like, watching him not KD in the playoffs. I ain't seen the playoffs is different. You know what I'm saying? KD changed the way I view everything this year. Cause it's just like, it's so easy for Him? Yeah. And he really be chilling. Like, he don't, like, do too much. He just wait. Like, he can go a couple minutes without touching the ball. He won't say nothing. He gonna stand in the corner, morning.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He ain't a thirsty hooker.

[Fred VanVleet]

Nah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

And then he. And he just don't miss, like, he don't miss.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Who you think make it look easier, him or Shay?

[Fred VanVleet]

Kd. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Shay looks so easy. Like, when I watch him play basketball. Yo, he not even sweating, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

It don't look like. Yeah, I think I'm only saying from the standpoint of shit, he's seven feet tall. So, like, watching him shoot a midi over win Wimby. He don't see Wimby.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's crazy.

[Fred VanVleet]

You know what I'm saying? He don't see bodies. He don't see the help. He don't see the third guy. He don't touch the rim. Shay is. Shay is special, though.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's kind of how I feel about Shay, though. Like, when I watch him, I feel like he don't see nobody. He get to that midi, step back.

Yeah, it look like he out there by himself.

[Fred VanVleet]

He's working out. He's doing a workout. What? Yeah, he's doing a workout.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

60 almost.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

That's just insane.

[Fred VanVleet]

He just 37, so it's like.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, and it still look crazy.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He's still the greatest scorer I ever seen.

1000%.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's like you just can't bother him. You know what I'm saying? You can't make him do nothing he don't want to do. And it's every day.

[DJ Wells]

So you see KD in the finals, though. What was that like, actually making it to the finals? And then what was like playing in the moment. You played against some of the greats, too, in that situation. And you got your shut off as well.

[Fred VanVleet]

For sure. Yeah, no, it was a blessing. It was an opportunity. That's all you want. Just, like, have an opportunity to be there. And. And World State. Our hardest series was the Philly series. Got to Milwaukee, Milwaukee went down.02. And then we beat them four times in a row. Light work. And then we go finals. KD was hurt. So we win game one easy. Like, we. I remember walking out, we like, damn, we wasn't celebrating or nothing. We was walking out. We went in the locker room, it's like, damn, this shit sweet. You know what I'm saying? Cause they was built to be with kd, without kd. We felt good.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

But.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, I mean, Steph Clay, like, To be chasing Steph around. We playing boxing one and in the NBA, the finals, and I'm the one. You're the one that's chasing them around. Like, man, it was just an incredible opportunity. And, you know, being able to make the most of that was special.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, you got to get a ring against some of the greats, too. That's fire.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. And I, like, I always tell people, because they was like, oh, you guarded Steph so good. I'm like, bro, I'm playing the man of boxing. When he still had 50 in the finals, like, he gave me 50, like, and I was in the boxing one, and we was trapping him every time, and he was out there by himself.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, God.

[Fred VanVleet]

You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Like, he said, the best. You guarded.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's different. Kyrie is. Is different for me. Yeah. Because he like, go. Kyrie don't run no plays.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You and him.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's no, like, welcome to this island.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

He's not passing it. He might dribble it 27 times. Times.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

It's ugly.

[Fred VanVleet]

Like, I always after the game, like, I mean, need to see the chiropractor and like, me, you know what I'm saying? Stop. Go, boom. Push off. Like, he. I love playing against Kyrie. He the most challenging for me. Steph is just like, you need. You need the whole full team because he running off all the screens and you can't fall asleep.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You can't at all. That's why I hated guards. Yeah. Because I like people who go one on one. I know where you're going to be. Gonna be at.

Yeah.

Like, when you start running around, I'm good as gone.

[Fred VanVleet]

I lost him one time, I think in the finals. The whole time I was. I lost him one time and he got a wide open 3. Every other time I was on him, I just looked for like two seconds. He was on the other side of the court. I'm like, damn, you can't even prepare.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

For no like that, bro.

But like, like, I tell everybody the toughest person to guard was D. Rose. Like, how you feel about Kyrie?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. Yeah. You knew where D. Rose was gonna be.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Be at. And he wasn't doing 50 moves and it was no jumpers.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's like to the rim.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Like.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, he's one of my favorite shout out to D legend who the easiest to go.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm.

[DJ Wells]

Don't do that.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. I. But I ain't going to lie, though. I be.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I feel good out there, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

Like, now you be cooking the guys that, that, that Y' all love the guys. Everybody love. I feel good against most of them, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You get your off, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

My thing always came down to, like, how I play. I wish I would have played more like, how I play a pickup in the NBA. But the way I had to come in, I had to, like, go, roll.

[DJ Wells]

By roll, by roll.

[Fred VanVleet]

You know what I'm saying? And I always prioritize winning over, like, my own shit.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm saying so.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

And I can't.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm six feet, you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, you did it the right way.

[Fred VanVleet]

Unathletic. I can't do that shit every night.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's what make it dynamic to me, though.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, like.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Cause you're not like, super athletic athletic, but you create space and you get to where you want to go, and you're only 6 foot.

You strong than the bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

He's strong, but my boy, yeah, he.

[DJ Wells]

Went like, Ringo Hans runs.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. Like, how I play, like in the summertime, it's just different. But when it's time to, like, match up against the top guards, it's like, that's what I like to do.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, that's why.

[Fred VanVleet]

And I like to guard them, too. We know you hurt now, but that's.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Why we was like. I was so high on y' all team before you got hurt. Cause I. I believe in your competitive spirit. Like last last year, my rocket's gonna be straight.

Yeah, you did say that. Oh, God.

But when y' all got kd, like.

[Fred VanVleet]

I was like, that's what for. Yeah, that me up. That was more so. Like, obviously I was up that I got hurt, but, like, just the opportunity.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm saying the season he having. The season we having is so.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

They missing the out of you.

[Fred VanVleet]

I just know. I just know what I be doing. You know what I mean? And then once you get to the end of the season, it's like you want to rise to the. To the level, too.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

So you had all you year?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, yeah. For the most part. I mean, I'm pushing, but six months is crazy. Like, nobody really come back in six months. But, I mean, that's a lot to ask, you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I ain't.

I'm not ruling it out. Let's get back by playoffs, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm not. That would be insane. It would be insane.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Two months.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm not even keep. Keep playing with people like, oh, I'm coming. But, like, it would be crazy. But I'm not.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm saying that on the morning show Every day.

[DJ Wells]

How many times you probably been traded on the morning show or been trade Ruben. I know that's probably annoying as hell, especially like Rocket.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, y' all specifically.

[DJ Wells]

He Sacramento.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I never sent him Sack.

I never tra.

I'm always la.

I don't want to talk about the rocks too much. You right here. But I never traded you because I think got a way for you to get healthy. Yeah, but if y' all were going trade, get rid of some of the big stuff, though, and bring in somebody to fill the void to the top.

[DJ Wells]

They got your Reed shepherd team Teague alumni, baby.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I with Reed Young Boy, we ain't.

Gonna talk too much about that, though.

He played on my 18 years little. For real?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. Damn. I like Reed Reed.

[DJ Wells]

They've been calling Cocaine Curry.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, they gotta stop.

[DJ Wells]

Clay was just like, hey, respectfully, it should never be. Clay was nothing.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I was about to start saying that. Okay?

[Fred VanVleet]

Curry.

[DJ Wells]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Fred VanVleet]

Clay was disgusted by that.

[DJ Wells]

He was like, nobody.

[Fred VanVleet]

I hate when they do like that, man. It's bad. They did a disengun with Joker. Like, it just. It just. I seen that argument y' all had the other day.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

All right, Are they in the same. They the same building? Just from my life.

[Fred VanVleet]

Same building.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah. Not the same. Let's get the same. Same building. Because he said, no, I'm not doing that.

[Fred VanVleet]

Wasn't. It was a city, though, right?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, he said. I said they in the same building. He said, they're not in the same. Same city.

And I ain't with y', all, dude.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think that we doing both of them a disservice by comparing them.

[DJ Wells]

There we go, Fred.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's what I say.

[DJ Wells]

Two all stars, two killers.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He is social.

[Fred VanVleet]

He.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He is media trained.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, I think that. I think we doing both of them. And I told. And listen, Alfie is my dog. Like, I talk to him. He talked to him. Like how? Like we talk.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fred VanVleet]

I tell him to his face, like, when they came with that Joker, I said, yo, doing that shit for real. Like, stop doing that. Because first of all, you want your own name.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, God.

[Fred VanVleet]

Second of all, y' all really don't play nothing alike outside of the. The. The. The flashy shit, you know what I'm saying? He coming from the top of the key like, he. He on some shit. But, like, come on, bro. I just think Joker, it's crazy.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, but Joker one of the best.

[Fred VanVleet]

Come on.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

This shit freaking thread. Come say. Don't play nothing to lie.

He saying something different, though. I'm saying as far as I said.

They are nowhere near similar. They not besides other passing. I promise.

I'm talking about the quality, how they dominate the game.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think what you. What you finished with was like. I think the ranking. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's y' all having. Y' all having a different conversation. I think if you ranking the top bigs in the NBA, he belongs in that conversation.

[DJ Wells]

That's a fact.

[Fred VanVleet]

I just think the gap between 1 and 2 may be bigger than the gap between 2, 3, 4.

[DJ Wells]

I'm wrong.

[Fred VanVleet]

Like, he is like Joker. Joker is like a. Like a. All time great already.

[DJ Wells]

Top four, big all time.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He can sit down here. I don't want to play basketball no more. He's better than everybody we grew up watching.

[Fred VanVleet]

I've played him multiple times where he's had 30, 40 point triple doubles. And the ball doesn't touch the rim. And this is three midi float, layup, free throw.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, he like multiple times.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, the ball don't touch the rim.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I get what y' all saying. He all time great.

I was out in shade.

Young boy, young boy just on the rise. I'm just saying, like, he got to be a really good player.

[Fred VanVleet]

I've been bust his ass a couple times.

[DJ Wells]

That's a fact.

[Fred VanVleet]

So that's the beautiful thing about the game. Like, you still gotta lace him up. You know what I'm saying? But I would never compare them to.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

But the whole argument started because I kept saying, quit calling him baby joke.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yes.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah. I was like, he got his own.

[Fred VanVleet]

He got his own. He was saying that he got his.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I hate them comparisons.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's just a flashy but like you.

[DJ Wells]

Said, that feeble play a little bit. He was. He going at him?

[Fred VanVleet]

No, he getting shit off too. Yeah, he nice.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He a dog.

[DJ Wells]

Y' all squad right now is crazy, y'. All. Y' all got some killers over there.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

A chance to win it, man.

[DJ Wells]

Thompson is one of the best athletes we've ever seen in basketball. He do something every night that's just like that shit.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Crazy.

[Fred VanVleet]

Special. Special.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

When he learn how to shoot, he going NBA, go for it.

[Fred VanVleet]

He just now, like adding shit. Like his reads like knowing where to pass, knowing where the help is coming from. Like, he just now adding that. Cause that's a whole. A whole nother aspect to his game that he ain't really tapped into yet. And he got touched. He a dog and he work hard. He one of my favorite, favorite kids, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Like, let me ask you this. Like being out, did it make you like, obviously you're gonna play for another 10 years, right?

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[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

They ever make you like, damn, I could be a coach.

[Fred VanVleet]

Coach, too?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

But like, hell no.

[Sponsor Announcer]

I don't know.

[Fred VanVleet]

I think it's showing me that I don't want to coach. Okay. Because, like, I'll be going home with headaches and after the game, you know what I'm saying? You know, like, it's just like, it's only so much you can do.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Facts. I like to teach more than I like to coach. And I always knew, like, I would give back to the game somehow. So everybody's like, oh man, you would be a coach. It's like, bruh, the NBA girl to do that shit for whatever, 10, 15, 20 years and then like, go back to that again. Like, I got kids. Like, I don't. I just can't see it. Yeah. But I would definitely be around the game in some capacity. You know what I'm saying? And I know I can do it. I'm doing it now. Yeah. You know, that's why I was asking.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm doing it in a lesser role. I don't want to disrespect our coaches, but, like, I'm helping them with the in between, between the players, you know what I'm saying.

[DJ Wells]

So that's all I got.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You got a coach out there on the court anyway.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah. PG's.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You automatically become a coach.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, like, I could do it now. I told Rich and them, like, what, 10? So maybe I'll retire for five, six years. So 15 years. The coach is making 20, 25 million a year. Y' all might see me out there.

[DJ Wells]

Out of the gate.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah. Yelling, hey, I'll be an assistant. Yeah, you give me 800,000.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Fred VanVleet]

The money going up. Yeah, I'm saying, you give me 800, I come coach.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Cause you go on the same trip.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm back.

[DJ Wells]

You.

[Fred VanVleet]

You want be back in the bench, coach?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

You going to do.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Stay in the same hotels and everything?

Yeah, they get the same treatment.

[Fred VanVleet]

All right.

[DJ Wells]

We making the coaching staff right now. We got Fred, we got Teague, Evan Turner. Let's go. Clarion specialist. Yes. Rondo, the head coach.

[Fred VanVleet]

I want to see Rondo coach, too.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Rondo too serious, though.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, y' all can't.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's a hard transition.

He sent, bro. He text me to play our team in high school next year with them like, yeah, we want to play y'. All.

[Fred VanVleet]

Like, what the. Yeah, he's smart as. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm like.

[Fred VanVleet]

It be hard sometimes for them from them guys to coach, too, though.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

The game ain't. Ain't all about that either. Sometimes it's way more simple than. Than you know what I'm saying? So I think sometimes them guys struggle. But he definitely should be on somebody's style. He's special. He got a special basketball mind.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, he definitely. Hell, yeah. I like talking hoof with you, Fred, man.

Yeah, Fred, Fred, Fred. Got some sh. We can't talk about.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, I respect, man. I'm here, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He retired. I want to have a conversation when he retired.

[Fred VanVleet]

I know how to dance, you know what I'm saying? When I need to, but.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Well, you want to do a parade? Like, though I want to know, because we make jokes about our parade all the time.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, Real celebrations, people.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That shit's crazy.

[Fred VanVleet]

I don't even know if, like, it's supposed to be that many humans in one place at one time. We started, first of all, we win in the Bay game. Six go crazy. Ain't shit going on in San Francisco. Jump on the plane to Vegas.

[DJ Wells]

We saw All Star last year with shit cracked us in prayer.

[Fred VanVleet]

We go to Vegas for a day, two days. And then what happened was that's when Drake was running around with us. So, like, half the time, team went With Drake to la, and then the other half went to Toronto. So, like me, Pascal, Norm, some of the younger guys we did. We go back to the city. So we the first ones to the city. Yeah, the other guys went to la. So we came and got the love first. So boom, we outside, we doing our thing. Couple days. Then we had the parade. And I just remember, like, we had to drive. Like maybe it's like a 10 minute drive from, you know, where we started to where we finished. That shit took like five, six hours. Damn. Cause it was just so many people outside. And then we started drinking and man, shit. Yeah, it was. It was. That's. That's like the most craziest thing I ever done. The. The parade that whole summer. But that parade was what?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Damn, you had a whole summer?

[Fred VanVleet]

Had a whole summer, bro. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Damn.

[Fred VanVleet]

Whole summer. Run no track. I mean, you take the trophy like you go on a run, you go back to Vegas for summer, then run it back, run it back, come back to the city. Yeah, you hear there you everywhere. What's up, champ?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

[Fred VanVleet]

Then like, my shit was even better. Cause like, I went crazy in the fourth quarter of the game six. So it was like that shit was on people mind.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yes.

[Fred VanVleet]

So now I'm lit. And then Kawhi don't go. No, I mean, he go places, but like, he ain't. Kyle was more. Yeah, I'm outside. Yeah, you're the face.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, I ain't getting none of that.

Damn.

[Fred VanVleet]

What was like you.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

You was on the team. Oh, okay.

Your clip. Your clip. Still environment. They play. They play it before the playoff start, yo.

No, they don't.

Yeah, they do. You what? You walking through the hallway.

[DJ Wells]

Damn, though.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's like you act like you don't play. You playing. He did play in the final. I remember him playing in the final.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I got like three minutes now.

[DJ Wells]

They been on that be. Look it up.

[Fred VanVleet]

He played.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I think I missed like six shots.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, they've been on it with him on Twitter. You see they put all his shots in the finals.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, Got.

[DJ Wells]

Six games. You got respect. You got minary game 20, 21.

[Fred VanVleet]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jeff, because I'mma help you out here. 21.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

When you came in the league, 2009.

[Fred VanVleet]

So you played. Yeah, Come on, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I think had a hell of a crew. We always PR if I'm doing this in my.

[Fred VanVleet]

Because you retired. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

He was like, come on, bro, you.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

My meniscus was gone.

We gonna keep it real. Cu, they don't ain't with him no more. He wasn't supposed to be there. That didn't have no knees, bro.

Yeah, my go.

Yeah, he got signed off the L.

That's my dog.

That's what I'm saying.

[DJ Wells]

No, I was good.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I tore.

No, you could hoop.

I'm saying, like, I tore it with Milwaukee. You remember, I was in Boston. I had came off game. I got here playing one on one with Jordan or wow.

[DJ Wells]

Louisville legend gone.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I said, man, I can't be my need.

Y' all damn crazy, bro.

Play, bro. Icy hot.

[DJ Wells]

My boy.

[Fred VanVleet]

He be joking. And, man, I don't stop doing that, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I love my bud, though, cuz.

[DJ Wells]

He was like, you're done, right?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm like, yeah, I'm throw.

I don't let really play with this, like, that. Chance to get to him. You know what I'm saying? Cause I don't play about my.

[Fred VanVleet]

But.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm just saying, it's that year, bro. It's. Y' all had a different finals experience.

[Fred VanVleet]

I mean, yeah, 1,000%.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, that's.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's just like. Just going from Toronto to Milwaukee. You just start there. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Johnson, Midway. That's different.

[Fred VanVleet]

I wish we would have won that month.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah. Houston, Atlanta, Miami.

[Fred VanVleet]

That's always in Houston. All right. No, that's.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

We gonna be partying with.

[Fred VanVleet]

We there. You think I worry about me? You can feel. You can feel, like, the buzz and the energy in the city. Like, you know, the team, the city know. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ Wells]

Hell, yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Sakai is gonna be filthy.

[DJ Wells]

Oh.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Moo.

We get on table.

[DJ Wells]

Joshua.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Come on now.

We gonna be right there.

I hope y' all wouldn't want it out there, boy. Yeah, definitely seem to do it, though, bro. We got a shot.

[Fred VanVleet]

You gotta get healthy. That's it. Y' all gotta get healthy.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Y' all crazy.

[DJ Wells]

Y' all are crazy. What you think about this rookie class, though? We got a lot of young guys getting to it. You got vj, you got Cooper flag conuple. They representing right now. A lot of first options. I know the league's a little bit different now. The rookies get to do whatever they want to. But how's it been on? Obviously, you've been observing the games and stuff like that, man.

[Fred VanVleet]

I like it. I think. I think this is one of the better classes that we done had, you know, like, just from guys that's really. You could see what they going to be right away. Yeah. Because then a couple of these drafts we had, you know, Top picks coming and be role players or come off the bench and don't play. And you know, like that. That is weird because that's not what we grew up on. Fact, like, usually when you get drafted, you know, they try to make you like a franchise. So to see the young guys this year, I mean, it's a lot of good players in this draft. And then obviously everybody's looking forward to next year. But I'm looking at this year like shit. I mean, they got some at least six, seven, eight of them, you know what I mean? A whip of really guys that's contributing on winning teams. You got Queen. You got the kid from Memphis. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Cedric Coward. Beginning. He's supposed to be a Duke. He out here producing right now, doing his thing. Little bro Dylan. Dylan out here killing the limited minutes right now.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Squabble, everybody.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

My boy rookie class is decent.

[Fred VanVleet]

You got Dylan. Yeah, yeah, Harper. That and then the kid from Toronto is good too.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah. CMB holding it down.

[Fred VanVleet]

He on some bully game out there.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I like his class. I'm excited. More excited about next year draft class.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Just because the freshman man in college basketball, so many good freshmen.

[Fred VanVleet]

There's a lot. I just seen a kid from Houston. I went to the Houston game, Kingston Fleming tonight. He's a pro. They got the kid from Arkansas. That's really good.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Stupid.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, obviously the top the two boozer. What y' all think about him? I ain't watching him play yet, dog.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He good. I just think he like Tyler Hansboro. Everybody get mad at me because I.

[DJ Wells]

Think, like, Tyler Hans, disrespectful, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Like, no, you gotta think about Tyler Hansboro when he was at Carolina. Not Tyler Har.

[DJ Wells]

That's why Fred laughing, bro. Disrespectful, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Not Tyler Hans.

You don't know how happy I am to see you laugh, bro. Just to see you smile would have made my day.

[Fred VanVleet]

Crazy, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Type in his highlights. Go see Psycho T. Come on, bro.

[DJ Wells]

No mix of movements, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Junkyard dogs and pull up for a three.

[DJ Wells]

He could do that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He added to his game.

Not calling me the joke. It's twins though, right?

[Fred VanVleet]

What happened to the other one?

[DJ Wells]

Well, he there too.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He a Duke.

He not having a good year.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, he gonna be there next year.

[Fred VanVleet]

I just remember him from high school. See, I don't watch you sports that much no more like how I used to. I really don't even like college basketball for real. But I've been paying attention to these guys.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

N twin can hoop.

[Fred VanVleet]

It's just he's it's his brother.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Just so star stud.

Like.

[DJ Wells]

Cooper got a twin, too?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, it's star studding. See, man, he got a younger brother. Brother dj. DJ playing, bro. The dude that man.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. Remember he reclassed up just his.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, he just went up.

[Fred VanVleet]

You right.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, he went up.

[DJ Wells]

See what I mean?

[Fred VanVleet]

Crazy.

[DJ Wells]

That's family.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He said he got a twin.

[Fred VanVleet]

I'm not trying to be crazy.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I'm just saying they had to r, bro.

[DJ Wells]

Our journeys is different.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

So he didn't go with him?

[DJ Wells]

No, he's at Maine right now.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, he went to.

[DJ Wells]

He went to. Yeah, he's at Maine University, though. Yeah, he's a freshman.

[Fred VanVleet]

I believe he's flying flag. Yeah. Shout out to Ace. Flag, man.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Hell yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to the family.

[Fred VanVleet]

Do your thing.

[DJ Wells]

Hold it down.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

All right, now, look, check me out. This ain't psycho.

[DJ Wells]

It's disrespectful, bro. Lay.

[Fred VanVleet]

Come on, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

It's Psycho T. Bro. Psycho T was cool.

[Fred VanVleet]

Psycho T was player of the year.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, and.

[DJ Wells]

And nobody at any given time thought that Tyler Harris was gonna be the number one pick in NBA draft.

[Fred VanVleet]

How tall was Tyler Har? Six. Nine. Six.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Nine, but.

[Fred VanVleet]

And one.

[DJ Wells]

No wasting movies, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's what he do.

[Fred VanVleet]

Okay, okay, okay. I see. I see the screen.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He can do this.

[DJ Wells]

Psycho thief. He got that.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's the only thing he.

And he can go like this and pull up.

[Fred VanVleet]

Do we have a NBA cop right now?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yes.

Who. Who you play like they say, probably Al Horford.

[DJ Wells]

Psycho T is crazy.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Man.

[Fred VanVleet]

I ain't with y'. All.

[DJ Wells]

No, it's not disrespectful, bro.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

That's not.

[DJ Wells]

Who should have.

[Fred VanVleet]

Man? I knew I should have got here, man.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Y tripping. Listen, let's say his NBA comp is.

[DJ Wells]

And it better not be J Village, because he be wilding, man.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out J Bill. His them.

[Fred VanVleet]

Brody.

[DJ Wells]

There we go. P5. Julius Randle.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Check out some of these.

Is that Al Horford?

[DJ Wells]

HQB not say Al. Al in the league, so I got respect. He been league 26 years.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

My favorite team.

Tyler Hansbrough ain't never been compared to none of them people.

Y. Y like Tyco. T win a lottery pick. Y got stop, bro.

[DJ Wells]

And he shouldn't have been. It was my dumb ass.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

P. He was one of the best.

He one of the best college players ever.

[Fred VanVleet]

No, I'm with you. I'm with you.

[DJ Wells]

He got respected watching him play, though.

[Fred VanVleet]

I haven't.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I can't speak on his.

[DJ Wells]

I'm going say right now for. They lost one game and they've been putting belt to everybody.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

No, he good.

[DJ Wells]

Number one score nation.

[Fred VanVleet]

I like that. Y.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Got to think people I'm saying are actually good. Al Horford's good.

[Fred VanVleet]

Tyler Hanford was a dog coming out. What he was. He was.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

He was top three.

[Fred VanVleet]

It just sound crazy. Like, you know how you go like the kid. What's the kid from Kansas?

[DJ Wells]

Darren Peterson.

[Fred VanVleet]

Darren Peterson, he like the next Kobe. And then you go demonstrate like he like the next kd. And then you go, my man. He like, oh, yeah, he the next Tyler Harris, bro. He had.

[DJ Wells]

He had a great career and he.

[Fred VanVleet]

Played for the Raptors.

[DJ Wells]

One of the best athletes in the world.

[Fred VanVleet]

The. One of the best players.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Rick the Horn.

[Fred VanVleet]

Talk about bro.

[DJ Wells]

Hey, now be here. Want to ask you that. Even though we all here, that game vers him and the B.O. they said no. I say that was a deciding factor. Even though. You know what I'm saying? Healthy D be.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I don't base my thoughts on that. Darren Peterson is. Is crazy for sure. But aj aj that dude, six' nine. Yeah.

You can't teach height.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, I wanna see him with some space.

[DJ Wells]

I'm rolling.

[Fred VanVleet]

I wanna see him with some space. I feel like the last one was like. Like Wiggins was like that for me. Like, when I watched him at Kansas, I was like, ah, but you gotta think college. It's everybody right here. You know what I'm saying? So I wanna see debonso with some more space around him. But that boy from Kansas special, he's four, bro. Yeah, he's sharp. Like. He pretty sharp for that age to be that sharp Skill set. He sharp. We gonna see it depend on who get to pick, too.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah.

[Fred VanVleet]

Cuz sometimes it matter what you need, you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Number one pick.

[DJ Wells]

We have to get A.J.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I. I think they should get A.J.

[DJ Wells]

But if the Kings the number one pick. Welcome to Sacramento.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, if Kings get the number one, Darren Peterson, because he.

[DJ Wells]

They don't. But you go shoot the ball, whatever you want to. Yeah. I don't know your Hawks. I pray that they don't get to number one pick. I seen y' all in the old man.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

We got the bad draft. No disrespect to him, but young Zachary, young Zach, bro.

[Fred VanVleet]

He hurt his shirt.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

No, he just.

And then. You got to go practice in the G League, and then they bring you back up to play, bro.

I just hate that he got picked.

[Fred VanVleet]

Who you would have took Alexar had Tor.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I told him to take him in.

Yeah, but that whole draft was. It was dookie.

They had.

[Fred VanVleet]

They had Reed as the number one player in that draft by the. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah.

We. We couldn't.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. Could have got step on Castle. Hey, y' all just drafted re at number one. They would have hated y'.

[Fred VanVleet]

All.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Oh, what?

[DJ Wells]

Especially having Trey. They would have made it.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I would have took Castle or I would have took Alexar. I mean, we needed a big.

Yeah, y' all need it. Y need a big.

Don't disrespect the big O.

And no, y' all need a big wing. Y' all picked. What was there to. To pick.

We ain't know much about him. That's what I didn't like. But anyway, I ain't trying to diss my heart.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to them n. Shout out to the Hawks, man.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Well, in town yesterday.

[DJ Wells]

Tap in.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Yeah, I talked to Zach yesterday, man. Not him. Zach, the trainer.

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Hey, send us some socks, bro. We.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Can I get some Houston gear, bro?

[Fred VanVleet]

Yeah, what you need?

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I need some shorts. I need some wear for. I wear. I wear under the shorts.

Tights or some compression shorts come more.

Yeah, that. I ain't going to lie, Fred. It got cold. I had on these window breakers. I said, damn, if I had on some tights will be flying everywhere.

Come on, man, out of here.

[DJ Wells]

And on that note, you can't buy this on the site, but be here and tell the people they can grab some merch.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

Club520.com Man.

[DJ Wells]

Fred, we appreciate you, bro. Tell the people that can find a pot as well, man. My boy getting to it off the court, man.

[Fred VanVleet]

Sir. Anywhere, man. Look it up. I don't know. We just having fun while I'm hurt. So tap in, Instagram, all that. Yeah, pull up whenever, man. I appreciate y' all for having me, though.

[DJ Wells]

No, I appreciate you, man. For sure, man. Like we said, shout out to Boost mobile family tapped in. Shout out to Stockx. You know the vibes be hearing delays. We need a dub, man, for sure. Black History Month. We gotta get this money.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

I need a $20,000 play, bro.

Don't worry. Talk about off the court of that. Get your play real quick.

You got to rock.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to S Rock.

[Co-host or Guest (Casual Commentator)]

We appreciate y' all kids out there.

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