Club 520 - Grant Williams on being TEAMMATES w/ Jeff Teague, GUARDING Joel Embiid & Steph Curry, Luka vs. Tatum

Summary

Club 520 Podcast: Grant Williams on Being Teammates w/ Jeff Teague, Guarding Joel Embiid & Steph Curry, Luka vs. Tatum

Date: February 26, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, Bishop B Henn
Guest: Grant Williams
Episode Theme: Behind-the-scenes stories from Grant Williams’ NBA journey with a focus on teammates, wild NBA moments, and in-depth hoops talk

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club 520 features NBA forward Grant Williams, who joins hosts Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and Bishop B Henn for a lighthearted, in-depth, and sometimes hilarious sit-down. The group discusses Grant’s unique NBA experiences, from his early days with the Celtics to his stints with Dallas and Charlotte, memorable teammates, the realities of guarding NBA stars, and candid takes on basketball culture, trades, and life off the court.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origin Stories and Early NBA Struggles

• Connecting with Jeff Teague in Boston (05:43)

  • Grant recalls navigating a tumultuous Celtics roster with Teague, stressing the uncertainty with Coach Brad Stevens’ rotations and trade scenarios.

    "There was no such thing as anything going on. No fans stands. Like, all we could do is freaking kick it at K walks and just vibe." – Grant Williams (06:12)

  • Both Grant and Jeff share how they actually asked the coach not to play them due to constant uncertainty, highlighting the lack of communication about playing-time decisions.

• Growing Up in Charlotte & Hornets Loyalty (08:19)

  • Grant talks about his Carolina roots and coming full circle to play for his hometown Hornets.

    "It's cool to be on the roster and impact winning to a point where you got a chance to, one, make the playoffs, two, be on a team that...Shaw ain't never seen the type of success that we've had yet." – Grant Williams (08:33)

2. Honest NBA Insights: Role, Development, and College Grind

• Going Undervalued and Proving Himself (18:27)

  • Grant shares stories of being under-recruited, called out for not working hard enough, and using it as motivation.

    “He said, ‘Cause you don’t work hard enough.’ That motivated the hell out [of me]...” – Grant Williams (19:07)

• Tennessee Basketball Drill Sergeant Stories (26:39)

  • Williams describes playing for Rick Barnes, the mental and physical toughness required, and ‘fat camp’ in college.

    “We had five AMs and we had one dude break out in the hives during the workout...Lockdown was every Saturday...6am to 10pm you had to be in the gym. No devices.” – Grant Williams (29:08)

  • On transforming his body in college: Lost 30 pounds in the first month, detailed his daily grind (28:08).

3. Celtics Draft Process & Early NBA Memories

• Draft Day Stories (30:40)

  • Grant explains wanting to outwork players projected ahead of him and unintentionally pushing everyone’s draft value down. He recounts the infamous "clipboard incident" during his Boston workout:

    “I took the clipboard, erased it, and then drew [the play]...You don't take the clipboard out of a coach's hand” – Grant Williams (33:22–34:22)

  • Got drafted at a friend’s house, avoided the green room jitters, and landed with the Celtics at #22 (35:42).

• Teammate Bonding: Vets that Paid it Forward

  • Kimba Walker’s mentorship and housing during COVID, Gordon Hayward’s lead-by-example approach.

    “K Walk was like, ‘Come live with me.’ So, like, I lived with K Walk the entire COVID until we went to the bubble.” – Grant Williams (38:12)

  • Emotional fan-to-teammate full-circle stories between Grant and Kemba (38:45).

4. Bubble Tales and Wild NBA Year Stories

• Life Inside the NBA Bubble (39:39)

  • The group swaps stories about how odd and isolating the NBA Bubble was. Grant talks about limited food, no fans, and absurd circumstances, like walking out of the locker room after games and seeing opponents right away.

    “You play a game, after a game, you can’t shower...there was nobody but dudes...Best food you can get on the bubble...You couldn’t order in from the start.” – Grant Williams (39:55–40:28)

  • LeBron’s special treatment in the bubble is highlighted for laughs (40:33).

• On-Court and Off-Court Adjustments During COVID (45:00)

  • The difficulty of playing with no fans and the awkward atmosphere of empty arenas.

5. Matchups, Guarding Superstars & Defensive Mentality

• Hardest Types of Players to Guard (55:48)

  • Grant names quick, skilled smaller guards as toughest:

    "For me, it’s always...short, that can shoot, that can go fast like Peyton [Pritchard], Darius Garland, Steph Curry, C.J. McCollum...I’d rather guard KD...it’s more fun..." – Grant Williams (55:48)

  • Reveals he’s most comfortable defending threes through fives and relishes the physicality of guarding bigs like Embiid, Giannis.

    “I like fighting, so respect.” – Grant Williams (57:21)

• Guarding Joel Embiid & Finals Experience (56:16–58:33)

  • Teague praises Grant’s work against Embiid; Grant breaks down playoff battles.
  • Discusses finals pressure, environment, and the moment Steph Curry "took over" in Game 4.

    “Steph, that Game four was ridiculous. I remember...I was like, yo, this is a different level of basketball player.” – Grant Williams (58:45–59:08)

• Battling Draymond Green (60:19)

  • Grant calls Draymond his favorite player growing up; every matchup turned competitive and physical.

    "Every time we play against him, it's smoke. Competitive. I think that he's the type of person that...talks all the shit in the world..." – Grant Williams (61:06)

6. Life After Boston, Trade Stories, and Luka vs. Tatum

• Dallas Mavericks Experience & Luka Doncic vs. Jayson Tatum (66:45–69:15)

  • Grant describes the dynamics of joining Dallas, the leadership expectations he faced, and how misconceptions about teammates like Kyrie Irving were shattered by real experiences.

    "All the misconceptions that I had across about [Kyrie], I was like, yo, this one of the best teammates I've ever had." – Grant Williams (67:51)

  • On Luka vs. Tatum:

    “The talent that I saw playing with Luka is absurd...JT impacts winning more...He can defend, he’s a playmaker...LD [Luka] controls the game, puts people in position...” – Grant Williams (68:08)

• Blockbuster Trade Aftermath (70:48–72:55)

  • Shocking player trades are broken down in real time, with candid player reactions and speculation about what Dallas wanted to do with Giannis or AD.

    "They wanted Giannis and AD in Dallas. I think that was the envision, the plan." – Grant Williams (71:18)

7. Comeback from Injury & Weight Manipulation for Matchups

• Adjustments After ACL and Getting Back on the Court (74:01)
  • First major injury made Grant reflect on patience and high standards for recovery:

    "Coming back from an injury has shown me that you have to be patient...but also understand that I can't be too patient..." – Grant Williams (74:08)

  • Describes manipulating weight for playoff matchups:

    "That finals run, I used to manipulate my weight...I used to try and do that." – Grant Williams (75:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “K Walk was like, ‘Come live with me.’ So, like, I lived with K Walk the entire COVID until we went to the bubble.” (38:12)
• "[In the bubble] You play a game, after a game, you can’t shower...there was nobody but dudes..." (39:55)
• "Every time we play against [Draymond], it’s smoke...he’s the type of person that...talks all the shit in the world." (61:06)
• On Luka vs. Tatum: “The talent I saw playing with Luka is absurd...JT impacts winning more...he can defend, he’s a playmaker...LD controls the game...” (68:08)

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 05:43 | Meeting and playing with Teague in Boston | | 08:19 | Growing up in Charlotte, Hornets connection | | 18:27 | Being undervalued as a college recruit | | 26:39 | Drills, ‘fat camp,’ and grind under Rick Barnes | | 30:40 | Draft day, Celtics workout, ‘clipboard story’ | | 38:12 | Kemba Walker taking Grant in during COVID | | 39:39 | NBA bubble stories; LeBron’s special privileges | | 45:00 | Playing in empty arenas post-bubble | | 55:48 | Guarding different NBA star types | | 56:16 | Guarding Embiid, playoff and Finals stories | | 60:19 | Draymond Green battles and mutual respect | | 66:45 | Transition to Dallas, Luka vs. JT analysis | | 70:48 | Trade aftermath and Dallas’ big-name ambitions | | 74:01 | Injury recovery, changing body for basketball matchups|

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Fun Extra: Sports Card Ripping

Grant brings the crew boxes of football cards to open live on the pod, explaining the allure of prospecting cards, and how rare pulls can be worth thousands — a fun analogy to being a GM prospecting NBA talent (76:40–79:57).

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Conclusion

This episode is a must-listen for any NBA junkie, full of candid behind-the-scenes stories, technical hoops talk, and the camaraderie that defines the best basketball podcasts. Grant Williams delivers a wealth of insight on what it means to grind through adversity, the real experience of NBA locker rooms, and what makes teammates — and opponents — legendary.

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[Bishop B]

Hit big.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

251.

[DJ Wells]

How much being.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. 60. Like 6200.

[Jeff T]

It's like ripping cards, man.

[DJ Wells]

Now we always ask our guests on here, obviously active player, man, has anybody came to DMs or ran down you about the parlays? You messed up for them, man.

[Grant Williams]

Games ago. Two games ago, bum ass. I was getting 20 points. I'm saying I had 20 and nine. I'm gonna say I think it was my projector on what it was. He said you were supposed to get four rebounds.

[Bishop B]

Crazy. Yeah, gee, you was respectful enough. Respectfully.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to Hard Rock, man. Leave the players alone.

[Grant Williams]

Last turn.

[DJ Wells]

Not least man, shout out to Stockx. Keeping us fresh. And it's set as well. Like I said. I'm your host, DJ Wells. Special guest in the building as usual. Introducing last to my far left, my dog, Bishop B. Hitting out the prayer lease. How you what Nasty.

[Bishop B]

Cool and nasty. What's happening baby?

[DJ Wells]

Let's go, man. Listen man, you know we honorary Charlotte Hornets at heart, G. I don't know if you know, man.

[Bishop B]

Me and B here, it's a lot of love.

[Grant Williams]

I know we locked in. Jess said some crazy. We gotta get to that.

[DJ Wells]

Yes sir.

[Bishop B]

Since we here and we all said jack.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Respect.

[Jeff T]

You was there for the second he was there. He is there.

[Bishop B]

You real Kenny Smith. But we I always say, man, get rid of all you see. I. I look at gr. I say, you know what grin is? He's a blend. He's light enough to stay on the team. I just always say get rid of all the dark skinned up, man.

[Grant Williams]

God, I can't leave man.

[Bishop B]

For sure. I love the Hornets. Me and DJ support the Hornets through and through.

[Jeff T]

I do too, man.

[DJ Wells]

He don't now that that I feel the love still to my right. My dog, Young Nacho.

[Grant Williams]

Young Tig.

[Jeff T]

How you what I'm hype, man. Got my young boy in here, you know, the biggest Hornets fan, Jeff T. I'm excited to have my dog on the pod.

[DJ Wells]

Listen, man, Charlotte Hornets in the building, man. Also, underrated SEC career. We gonna talk about that for sure, man.

[Jeff T]

Legend.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what. That's where the numbers came in, I would say nowadays, you know, Gotta figure it out. Claim. Claim. The claim.

[DJ Wells]

No for sure, man. Listen, man, Charlo us for, man. Great wheels in the building, big dog. Appreciate you sliding on us, man.

[Grant Williams]

Appreciate you having me.

[DJ Wells]

Like you said, the origin story. Before we get to your origins, man, let's talk about how y' all linked up for the first time, man, I

[Jeff T]

let him go first. And I can tell. I let him go first.

[Grant Williams]

The one thing I remember the most is that he's the mo. Probably my funniest, if not second funniest teammate I've ever played with. Because we played on a team where it was a year that I think we were. We were up and down that year. Like, in the beginning of season, Covid, like, it was a lot going on. There was no such thing as, like, man, there was no such thing as anything going on. No fans stands. Like, all we could do is freaking, kick it at K walks and just vibe.

[Jeff T]

Shout out to Cake.

[Grant Williams]

Shout out to K. And that's how you know the Celtics back then. It was. It was an interesting roster

[Jeff T]

we had.

[Grant Williams]

Me and Jet. I always think about the store. One of the best stories I got is that I remember us both going to Brad and be like, hey, man, just don't play us. Cause like, we had. It was me, him, Shimmy, and Peyton Pritchard.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

And Brad was just like. Kimba had just came back, and Brad was trying to figure out, like, what lineups, you know, Brad wasn't the type person to, like, ever confront nobody. Trying to, like, let it happen, you know, let assistant coaches handle. So, like, it got to a point where we would just. Every. Every single thing we'd do, we had to look over our shoulder. We're like, all right, just choose one. Let's hoop. Like, one person, go and see what happens. And I remember me and Jet was just like, yo, just let. Choose them. See what happen.

[Bishop B]

Because, bro, you so young.

[Grant Williams]

He.

[Bishop B]

The old head with no knees. You.

[DJ Wells]

We.

[Bishop B]

We trying to get acclimated into the league. Don't sacrifice your playing off of this.

[Grant Williams]

He. The thing is, what happened was, like, I had Just played that last year and we went to the playoffs, count finals, all this stuff in the bubble. So I was like, I came in, out. I met on some B.S. like, I was. I was tripping that year. Coming into preseason, kind of felt like I had establish myself. So then I kind of had to earn it back. So I was like, let me just hoop and stay ready. Like, let me show y' all what I got. Like, it was, you know, go back and forth. I was crazy back then too. So I was wilding, cursing coaches out.

[Jeff T]

Everybody was wilding out here, though.

[DJ Wells]

It was a bad year.

[Grant Williams]

It was a bad year. So, like, I was just telling him. I was like, yo, like, just choose, let Shimmy play. Cause Shimmy looking over his shoulder every shot he missed versus me. And like, at the time, they didn't tell me this till after, but they were like, they were trying to play shimmy so they could trade him.

[Bishop B]

Ah, that's how it be.

[Grant Williams]

They just don't. They don't communicate that type of stuff. So, like, I think it came from us. We were like, yo, like, it's killing us all. And then you had Jabari on the bench talking. He was like, hey, just bide your time, young fella. Bide your time.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to Jabari, man, it's crazy, man. Hell of an origin story, man. Let's get to yours though, man. Obviously from Texas. Moved to Carolina. Oh, excuse me, North Carolina. What's it like playing for the Hornets, man, and growing up as a Carolina kid?

[Grant Williams]

It's great. Cause I grew up like, I'm from Charlotte too. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's like I grew up watching K walking the B.O.B.C. and D.J. augustine and Gerald Henderson, Corey McGetty.

[DJ Wells]

Orange jerseys. Nasty words.

[Grant Williams]

Seven. Seven wins. So, like, I got friends. Like, we remember bringing back the buzz back in. What was it, 2016 when the Hornets even came back. Yeah, like, like, it's cool to be on the roster and like, impact winning to a point where, like, you got a chance to one, make the playoffs, two, be on a team that, like, Shaw ain't never seen the type of success that we've had yet. Like, we. I think other than 1998. And that's before any of us when I was born. So.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, make y' all feel old, but facts. So then. So. We got 9, 9, 9 winning. Non game winning streak. Like, we win the most games on the road. So every friend that I know growing up in the city is like, yo, they're hyped. Yeah, we got more fans in the arena than I think I've seen growing up. So place to be around right now. This is a gold mine waiting to be struck. I always said in Charlotte. So it said that two years ago, even when I was talking crap to D. White, try to tell him they was making the playoffs two years ago. Let's just say it didn't happen.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, but.

[Grant Williams]

But now we got actual chance, so.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, man, y' all doing really good, bro. Don't really believe in y', all, but me and DJ always being streak, bro. Like, how do you feel about, like, Lamelo not making the All Star, bro?

[Grant Williams]

I'm a little sick just because, like, his stats might not show it just because, you know, it's in the. Like. Like, I feel like he's not making like, all the shots right now to the point where, like, his stats are like 40 from 3, stuff like that. But, like, our offense runs through and with him, like, when you see our on off numbers with him on the court, he impacts our winning to a level that, you know, it's hard to. Hard to compare anyone across the league, like, in terms of playmaking. Like, he's a guy that sets up our entire roster. Like, Brandon, I think is our leading scorer right now for a reason. Yeah, Khan's able to get the shots. He's able to because, like, Melo creates that gravity, getting downhill, kicking out the shooters. And we just play fast, man. Like, shoot a lot of threes. And Melo honestly deserve, I think, that All Star nod because they put. It's just the format this year, man. The US World, like, they couldn't do it.

[Bishop B]

I love that break, boy, you might get a job when you done that break.

[DJ Wells]

There was nobody more upset to be

[Grant Williams]

in than Shitty, bro. Especially with how we were playing towards the All Star break. Like, I know we didn't start great. Like, we were 4 14, but we were injured. Like, there's a lot of things going on. Like, once we got a healthy roster, you start seeing the success of our team. And like, I was so well put together honestly, by jp Did a great job.

[Jeff T]

Shout out to Jeff Peterson, man.

[Grant Williams]

Job of, you know, building. Building a group around one another. So I think Dip had a great job of like, making that All Star nine. I think next year, shit, we might have two, two, maybe three All Stars, depending on how we start the season.

[Jeff T]

Especially with Con. He came on like gangbusters, bro. He. He nice.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Jeff love Khan. We talk about Jeff.

[Jeff T]

He's rookie of the year. It's my vote. I've been saying it from the beginning

[Grant Williams]

of the year he's going to be like co rookie of the year.

[Jeff T]

I hope so.

[DJ Wells]

He deserves.

[Grant Williams]

It's going to be Grant Hill tight, you know like.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, they think it's going to be.

[DJ Wells]

I think they go LeBron mellow though.

[Grant Williams]

You think it's going.

[Jeff T]

I think they go think Hooper going

[Grant Williams]

to win like he's bro. He is Damn near a 50, 40, 90 season crazy bro. One of the efficient, most efficient rookie season, I think. NBA history. You already broke the single season rookie record.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, he's crazy.

[Grant Williams]

Fastest to 200, 300 or sorry, maybe he hasn't broken it. He's about to break it.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

And then Fastest rookie to 203, fastest player to 203s. It just, it's in Washington play basketball like there's not many guys that you play with. You're like yo, every shot you feel is going in like he's on that level already as a year old kid.

[DJ Wells]

And it's funny because that draft last year, they questioned the VJ pick. They kind of were just like ah, maybe a little bit hot. But both of them players have showed that. Nah, they ready to hoop for sure. And you super high on kind.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, that's one of my favorite players in the league. Man, he's just so efficient.

[Grant Williams]

I had that draft day thing when he had his workout. You know remember the movie where it's like Vonte Mack no matter what to our assistant GM right during his workout. Vonte Mack no matter what. Because I felt like it was either between him or Vijay at that pick. Philly didn't pick one or the other.

[DJ Wells]

I picked a good pick.

[Jeff T]

Hey, that was a great pick.

[DJ Wells]

No be here Lamelo. My top five of all time already. We already stepped in.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, I love Lamelo for sure.

[DJ Wells]

Basketball needs Lamelo ball, bro.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. Oh. Need players like that. Like it's a creative, creative mind. Like play fast. Loose pause.

[Jeff T]

Oh, okay.

[Grant Williams]

He just has a. He has a good feel for the game. Like there's not many people like that see ahead like he does. So he does a good job putting teammates in positions to be successful. And I think he honestly compliments every single person on our roster.

[Bishop B]

That is crazy.

[DJ Wells]

He ain't got the ammunition now.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, you got it all.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

I'll be texting you, Greg. No, I got a little morning show over there.

[Grant Williams]

That was a hell of a breakdown.

[Bishop B]

Nah, for sure.

[DJ Wells]

But back to Greg, man, listen, like you said Carolina, y' all had you team boy. That team CP3 squad.

[Jeff T]

J O. Yeah. My dog J O on there.

[DJ Wells]

Had a squiddy. Here it goes. Hey. But we talked about him early in the morning, so I know injuries kind of changed his trajectory. If you saw hair gals in high

[Jeff T]

school, Harry G. One of the ones,

[Grant Williams]

bro, HG Was the best player in the class for a reason. He was over jt. He was. Yeah, he was over. Josh Jackson was consensus number one. But like, HG like, if you have his knee surgeries, like, it's hard to imagine he wouldn't be a Chris Weber type of player. Like, he was special.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Play with. And then also, like, just to watch. I played against him because he played at Wesleyan back in high school, so that was my. Like, I played against him and Bam. Those were my. My matchups high school. So, like, playing those guys.

[Jeff T]

Did you give him work?

[Grant Williams]

Heck Yeah. I beat Bam in the state championship. Blew him out by 20. I always joke. I always joke with Bam. This is where it messed me up. My rookie year. Said, man, you haven't beat me much. I beat him in Tennessee. Beat him at. Beat him in high school. Grace always called me Bam's kryptonite. And then that rookie year, played him in the bubble, I think. I think I had a record where I was like two or three games ahead of him in terms of recording. After they beat us in the bubble for the. For go to the finals, he said, I think I'm up now. That's crazy.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to Bam.

[Grant Williams]

Get your.

[Jeff T]

Get back. Oh, my God.

[Grant Williams]

Get back and say, nowadays, too. Beat me in blast. My last finals run, too. Damn.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, we're gonna talk about that, man.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[DJ Wells]

But now, what was that like, though? Did you face any other crazy teams? Because y' all had a squad in

[Jeff T]

au they had a crazy Beach Jam story.

[Bishop B]

What was your role on that team?

[Grant Williams]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, role wise, I was just like, honestly, I don't think I. I don't know if I started on that team. I think I was behind Q, like, sometimes. Cause we had. That team was loaded. We had sure Alterique Gilbert, who was the top five star point guard at the time. He just had shoulder surgery, so he was hurt. He was from. From the A, so he was nice. We had Josh Okogie, guy named J. O. Darnell Rogers, the 5 foot 34 point guard.

[Jeff T]

He got buckets, though.

[Grant Williams]

He got buckets. He's the reason why they beat Virginia.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

So. So then next HG, myself, Q& Peace Jam stories. We playing Georgia Stars. We only had one loss that entire EYBL season. So, like, we were one of the most accomplished EYBL teams. Whatever else there was, we lost the Georgia Stars by one. They had Udoka, Wendell Carter, Bruce Brown, Jarrett, Harper. Like a bunch of names. Peace. Jam happens. We go, we don't lose a game. We beat Mokan. Which Jonathan Isaac. We beat each. I'm sorry, Each one Teach One of Jonathan Isaac, Mocam of Trey and Michael Porter.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Then we get to that semifinal. We play JT in the Eagles St. Louis. That was back before Brad Beal Elite. And we were blowing them out. We were up by like 20, like damn near going to the third, fourth quarter. All of a sudden Alterique gets cramps and he's dribbling the ball up the court. Can't be past half court fell over like type cramps. Like he was just turned. We turned it over, I think six straight times. They get back into the game. Damn, damn.

[Jeff T]

I couldn't dribble.

[Bishop B]

Who the fuck was coaching, though?

[Grant Williams]

John didn't want to take him out because I think. I don't know why Darnell didn't play. But like it was one of those games where he was like, we're gonna leave him out there. He like, give him some pickle juice, whatever else, like try and let him hoop because we were up by so much. Well, he should have did Darren Peterson. Yeah, right.

[Bishop B]

Three times in a row is crazy.

[Grant Williams]

He's a five star recruit too. HG was in foul trouble that game too. I remember because I was. I think I was either second lead to score in that game. And what's it called? Going down. Turn it over. Turnover, turnover, turnover. They get back into the game. J.T. hooping, of course. And we get to the end of the game. I score, they come back, score, come down. HG Gets the ball. His shoots are. He told him don't shoot it until we have our last shot because we want to win the game. HG Goes too soon, hits the hook. Right hand hook, or I think left hand, whatever is hook. We think we about to win the game. They call a timeout. I get subbed out. They put Ian Boyd in. We're all on the bench, elbow to elbow, like we about to win this game. Up to go to go to the final, to play Georgia Stars again. All of a sudden they inbound the ball. We took J.T. away. I don't forget the dude's name. Jordan. Gilbert Jordan something. Jordan was a full court double clutch. At the buzzer, heave, dame. Damn, man.

[Jeff T]

That story.

[Grant Williams]

No heartbreak. They ended up freaking losing by 30 to Georgia star football championship. It Was pissed. After that, we were so checked out the rest of the season. Went to Vegas and we were just having a good time.

[DJ Wells]

Nah, you're just there for the vibes

[Grant Williams]

at 17 years old.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Jeff T]

Hey, that ain't bad.

[DJ Wells]

Not a bad city to have some footage.

[Grant Williams]

Not a bad city.

[DJ Wells]

All right, man. Conversation good. We got some drinks for Barbie at work tonight, man.

[Bishop B]

Barbie.

[Grant Williams]

Barbie work overtime. I watched the pod.

[DJ Wells]

I watched the pod.

[Jeff T]

Why are we having a day?

[Grant Williams]

I'm good. How about you?

[DJ Wells]

Oh, got corner three.

[Jeff T]

My boy locked from the corner three. I ain't gonna hold you.

[DJ Wells]

Okay, B.

[Jeff T]

Appreciate you.

[Grant Williams]

Corner three.

[Jeff T]

Right on, B.

[DJ Wells]

All she show guest here, boy. This drink gonna be our when the guest here.

[Jeff T]

Yeah. Corner three.

[DJ Wells]

All right, man. Obviously killed in high school. Went to Tennessee. Where some other schools that could have got you.

[Grant Williams]

Tennessee was the best school I had. I was a three star.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Like, I was thinking I was number 200 and something. It was bad. I was. I was chunky, bro.

[Bishop B]

I was, you know, undersized.

[Grant Williams]

Big. I would say undersized. Big tweener. So, like, this is like. This is right around when Draymond was doing his thing. But, like, yeah, like. Like, people are always like, how do you beat these guys? I was being. Bam. I was being like, Harry. Like, all these guys that were, like, ranked higher than me, but they're like, this dude can't jump. Like, he's not really a great shooter. You know, he's a post player. So I remember even Davidson. Like, I remember talking to Coach McKillop and he said, I'm not never gonna give you a scholarship offer. I said, why?

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

He said, because you don't work hard enough.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

That was me as a sophomore junior. I was like, I can't get off about Davidson. Like, I had my best offer with Lucy Scarlett. Like, I had fumbled that.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, for sure.

[Grant Williams]

Later on. I'll give him credit. Later on, when I went to Tennessee, we play him. He's like, the reason why I said that to you is. Cause I needed you to work harder and, like, I believed in you and we didn't have the resources to support you or something like that. But, like, I think he was still just. Yeah, yeah.

[Bishop B]

Did that motivate you, though, for sure when he said that?

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Motivated the hell out because, you know, I grew up in a family that of Hoopers, quote, unquote. Like, my cousin, Slim Stoudemire, who was nice at Zona.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, that's what came for.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

His first cousin.

[Jeff T]

Oh, hey. Forgot one of the. He. The Best shooter in college. Damn near history.

[Bishop B]

I remember that college, old college, all the time.

[Jeff T]

He shot better than JJ Redick that year, and they didn't want to give him love. That nigga had a.

[Grant Williams]

A burner. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Who's Big Jersey, Big Short, wearing that.

[Jeff T]

I did a workout with him.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

And he only do perfects.

[Grant Williams]

Perfects.

[Jeff T]

Oh, perfect. You'll be in the gym for two hours.

[DJ Wells]

Okay. Explain that for the people who are not too tapped in.

[Jeff T]

If it hit the rim or if it don't swish. Every time, he don't count it. Damn.

[Bishop B]

I would be.

[Grant Williams]

And he's the type of person that I was as a young kid. You throw him the ball, you can't jam him up.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Like, as a shooter, like, he was like, throw it outside my body. Like, it was like his workouts back in the day. I used to be amazed by him.

[Bishop B]

He was raw.

[Jeff T]

We did a workout with him, bro. He was playing for the Hawks. Well, he used to. And he was back in the gym, and he was like, you gonna do the workout with us? I'm like, yeah. We started the workout. He's like, don't count. Shot another one. Don't count. I was like, shit, that shit count for me. And then he kept saying, no, we only count if it swished, bro. He was in the gym for two hours, bro. I was like, I'm out.

[Bishop B]

Damn, bro.

[DJ Wells]

Damn, that's sweet.

[Jeff T]

But he was hitting every shot, but he was like, don't count. I'm like, yeah, that's crazy.

[Grant Williams]

So slim. Even Damon seems like that's my. My other cousin. And it's like, those guys, like, my pop played in Venezuela, but, like, tried to play for the Houston Bullets and those guys back in the day, so, like, just grew up in that family. So, like, everybody used to always try and be like, you got to score. You gotta do this. But I always was like, all right. Like, I'm more of a passer, you know, Saw the game differently.

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[Grant Williams]

I had offers from like Yale 10, like Yale, Princeton, all The Ivies.

[Jeff T]

You always been a smart one.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. So that ain't bad.

[Grant Williams]

It really came down to those. And then Richmond was the only other one.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Grant Williams]

Then I decided on Tennessee because I met our strength coach, Garrett Maidenwald. He was like, I can change your body composition, make you, like, best. Give you the best chance to make in the league. And I was like, all right. Like, that was my main focus. And then I sold my mom's. Cause my mom worked for NASA. She, of course, black man.

[DJ Wells]

That's crazy.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. Black man wanted me to go to Ivy Leagues. Cause she knows how the world works.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

And so I remember telling her, I was like, I'm going to Tennessee. She didn't talk to me for, like, a month and a half.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

Two months. But then I told her, I said, I'm graduate in three years. Which then, if I go back for my fourth year, I'll get my master's. Like, I had this plan that I set out. And I told her, I said, but also, I'm gonna go for the NBA. Did what I said. Went three years. Got my degree.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Got freaking Player of the Year twice.

[Jeff T]

Player of the year twice.

[DJ Wells]

Sec.

[Jeff T]

Two times.

[Grant Williams]

Talk to him.

[Jeff T]

Sec. Player of the Year. Freshman of the year. Come on. Like, what made you not lead a first year? Cause you wanted to graduate.

[Grant Williams]

So, no, first year, I wasn't. So I was only freshman team because Malik Monk, I think, won Freshman of the year. Coach Barnes was like, hey, like, Coach Barnes, if. You know Coach Barnes, he kind of wants his guys to come back. But also, like, if he thinks you should go, he'll try and tell you to go. So he said, like, the reason why you ain't with freshman year, because he didn't work hard enough. So it was the same thing. Like, he didn't work hard enough. Went back that second year. And I was like, all right. Like, my goal is to get Player of the year. And also, like, Coach Barnes, like, that's. You should be. You should strive for Player of the year. You should strive to be the best player in this conference. So that whole year, though, I played with an injury. So that whole year, I had, like, a piriformis, like, sciatic nerve thing that I was dealing with. That shot down my leg. So played that whole season, even after the year was over, was dealing with it, like, that numbness in my leg. Couldn't, like, walk sometimes. Like, there was a couple games that season. Like, remember the LSU game? I get fouled in the first half. I landed on my back, couldn't Feel my leg. And got subbed out, worked on it for a full half, came back in that second half and played. So then after that season, I was like, damn, I probably should go. But if I go test the draft process right now and I'm looking crazy, like, you look damaged goods, and then now you have a reputation. So I just stayed at school and then went back for that third year and then came out that third, even though Coach Barnes wanted me to come back for the fourth.

[Jeff T]

Oh, he was wild.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

What was like playing for a legendary coach like that? I know there's a lot of expectation from. Especially in the college world.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, Barnes is cool, though. Barnes is crazy, but he's one of the. Like, he's cool for sure. If you ask any player that played for Barnes, K, like, especially like pj, kd, any of those guys, they'll tell you, like, I gotta save Barnes. Like, Barnes was like, not cursing. Like, he. I got. Like, I was taking my biggest accomplishment for Barnes, making him curse twice at me. But, like, he was completely different. Like, he was crazy. Like, he made me. Like. I remember there's multiple times I'm crying tears. Workouts, like running, he'd make you middle of a practice, go versus climber three times, come back and practice. Every time you mess up, go back to the versus climber, come back, run, run 17 and run another 17. 85 and 2, then 17. Like he thought it was a game. So, like, it was to a point where, like, you had to be so mentally tough for him, playing for him, because if not, you had to go.

[DJ Wells]

I ain't gonna lie. Burst a climber two times. I'm in the portal. Coach after that second trip role.

[Grant Williams]

That's what it was. Think about it. After my freshman year, we didn't make the post season. He had us do basket track season. We didn't touch a basketball all spring.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

All. We would wake up, come down the hill, and we'd run.

[Bishop B]

Was it like that when you went to college? Like, when you. Your first summer with him?

[DJ Wells]

No,

[Grant Williams]

it was bad. Like, you know, like, I was overweight. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

I had to get your body right.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. I was in fat camp.

[Bishop B]

Like, what's fat camp?

[Grant Williams]

Like, legit fat camp. So we. I had to work out that morning, 6am, come in, do a whole workout, then go class, come back for practice, then do a workout, post practice till I got a certain weight. I lost 30 pounds in my first month and a half of being there.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Jeff T]

How much was you when you went to school?

[Grant Williams]

Like two.

[DJ Wells]

I'm not gonna lie to y'.

[Jeff T]

All.

[Grant Williams]

I was like, 280.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

And I lost weight. So, like, I remember coming in, I was like, yeah, I'm great. Gee, I'm probably 13 body fat. Like, I feel great. All of a sudden I get there, it's like, nah, you 17% body fat, dog. You about 255. I ended up getting to 225 by the end of that summer.

[Jeff T]

Damn. That's crazy.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Ain't bad, boy.

[Grant Williams]

What I'm saying.

[DJ Wells]

So that's a hell of a life to live, boy.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, it's not fun.

[DJ Wells]

Y' all be making college basketball sound traumatic as shit.

[Bishop B]

They do.

[Grant Williams]

Listen, this is all stuff that I can talk about now because it's over with. But like, even like, we to a point, we had five AMs and we had one dude break out in the hives during the workout, and then we had to cancel it. So he got rid of 5ams and that was Quake Parker. So he passed out. We had to wake him up to continue his workout. Like it was then. Lockdown happens. Because 5ams get away. Lockdown was every Saturday. If you had late to class or whatever else it was, you're in trouble. 6am to 10pm you had to be in the gym. No devices.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

So you was there working out. You had five workouts. You really was just there reading like you got.

[Bishop B]

Did you say the time right?

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

You say 6am to 10pm Come out

[Grant Williams]

on a Saturday portal.

[Bishop B]

Portal.

[Jeff T]

He can't do that no more.

[DJ Wells]

That is illegal.

[Grant Williams]

Snitch. Somebody snitched. That guy went away and we back. 5:00am it was some wild times, but I always tell these guys to take.

[Bishop B]

Was it.

[Grant Williams]

You got different boy.

[DJ Wells]

He got up here working.

[Jeff T]

Boy had been high.

[Bishop B]

But that boy told him the champion, bro.

[Grant Williams]

No devices, no phone, no iPad, no laptop. No.

[DJ Wells]

I hate it here.

[Bishop B]

What I'm saying, how much working out can a know, bro?

[Grant Williams]

Like as hell. When we was playing.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, it was, though.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. Admiral Schofield, like, Admiral Schofield some big.

[Bishop B]

That was real boot camp. Fucking my Saturday up like that.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. Ain't no such thing as going out that night.

[Bishop B]

Oh, nah.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, we was.

[Bishop B]

You were still after doing that?

[Grant Williams]

Oh, yeah, it was.

[Bishop B]

I probably had energy after that fourth time doing that. I'd probably be ready for that.

[Grant Williams]

I've been in jail all day. I'm ready. We had so many times where guys would be in the lockout together, lockdown together. So it'd be like eight dudes in lockdown just vibing we locked up, y'

[Bishop B]

all probably ready to hang something.

[Podcast Announcer]

Come on,

[Grant Williams]

Freaky. Appreciate the coach.

[DJ Wells]

Obviously, man had a great career in Tennessee. Now it's time for the draft. What was that process like for you, man, making that decision? The family just that summer.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. So went to the draft, said I was declaring, called Coach Barnes from Chicago. After the combine, I was like, yeah, I'm not coming back. Had, like, a decent conversation and came down to the workouts. My whole thing about the workouts was I want to chase the guys who were projected above me. So I was like, you know what? Like, Brandon Clark. Like. Like P.J. washington. Like, all these guys, these names, they're considered. Like, people are like, this guy's old. This guy's. Meanwhile, I'm the same age as all these guys. Cause I was young. I remember Rick Carlile during When I had my meeting with Dallas. They were like, how's it feel being one of the older players in the class? I said, actually, I'm, like, younger than every junior and sophomore and probably closer to younger than most freshmen. He cursed everybody. You know, Carlisle is. He went crazy.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

But even the draft process, I was nuts. Doing the workouts, chasing those guys around. I'm thinking, like, yo, like, I'm. I'm killing. So I'mma definitely go top 15, top 20. Meanwhile, I just realized I brought everybody's value down with me. Like, everybody came down to my area. Like, Brandon Clark was supposed to be top 10 right in front of me.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

During that process, I was like, there's only one chance I can go in the top, like, 20, and that'd be Orlando at 16. And they were like, we have between you, Nikhil, who went next? And then a mystery guy. That mystery guy ended up being Chuma Okee, who had just came off the ACL that year, who was nice at least in college.

[Jeff T]

From Auburn, right?

[Grant Williams]

Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was like, okay, I'm not going to Brooklyn. One of my worst workouts that I've had in my life. Then I was like, okay, San Antonio, but they won't draft me a 20. If they draft me, it'll be a 29. So then Luka went Boston. I knew they were trading 20, so I was like, oh, I'm not going there. And then 21, it was between either OKC, Memphis. Like, they had to trade. Okay, see, I would have went. But then they traded the pick to Memphis. They took Brandon Clark. So I was like, all right, cool. So, like, I'm not going to Boston because I'm. You know the Boston story about my workout, right?

[Jeff T]

No, no.

[DJ Wells]

Ellis.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

Thank you.

[Grant Williams]

Boston workout. So I'm over here. Like, of course. Smart kid. I'm in the workout. Eric Pascal, me, Brandon Clark, and we're over here. Jay Laranaga's the coach. Jay. Yeah, Jay. Tony Dobbins was a video coordinator at the time. Wasn't just me yet. Okay, so Tony's leading the workout. We get to this 4 on 4, 5 on 5 session. Tony's like, at the clipboard. He's like, yeah, like, think about the play to draw up. And he drew up the play, and he had Brandon Clark in the corner, me on a dunker. I was like, yo. Like, I kind of touched the clipboard. I was like, you sure you want me in the dunker? Like, you rather have the guy with the lob thread in the dunker and me in the corner? Cause I can shoot it. He was like, you're right. You're right. So I took the clip bar, erased it, and then drew it.

[Jeff T]

Oh, he.

[Grant Williams]

Wow. So then, boom. That happens. Play work. I'm feeling good. You know, I'm confident. Next thing happens where, like, play happens. They're like, all right, cool. Like, they're switching everything now. Like, we need to play. Tony's kind of holding the clipboard. He's thinking about a play. I'm like, I got it. Grabbing the clipboard from him.

[Jeff T]

He's wowing.

[Grant Williams]

Grab the clipboard from him. Like, draw a play. Think it's gonna be like, this is what we gotta do. It ain't work. So then after that, I'm like, all right, cool. I sprained my ankle during the workout. Workout happens. 3 minute. 3 minute run at the end, as Boston does, Danny does. And they're like, you don't have to run. You don't have to run. I'm like, nah, dad, I'm running. Ended up running it. Got in first. Me and KZ Akpala got in first. And I think that's the only reason I got drafted there. Cause Jay, afterwards, he always. I always joked that he cursed me out. He didn't curse me out, but he pulled me aside. Was like, we don't do that here. Like, you don't take the clipboard out of a coach's hand. Because I heard that years prior, Kyrie had done that to Brad. So I was like, oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Especially. Can't be doing that.

[Jeff T]

Especially Jay.

[Bishop B]

Jay Grant.

[Grant Williams]

This was back when I played with Tennessee. Cause Coach Barnes. Coach Barnes was very like, like, he. I definitely did that a lot.

[DJ Wells]

He was familiar.

[Grant Williams]

I did a couple times with Barnes, and, like, I thought it was, like, common. Like, if you got an idea, like, start, drop, do it. So then I did it, and yes, didn't work.

[DJ Wells]

But imagine going to a job interview as a manager. Hey, let me make your job interview.

[Grant Williams]

Hold that. Let me hold that. So then, next thing you know, I'm like, all right, I'm not going to Boston. And I get a text saying, congratulations, Congratulations, congratulations. I'm like, what they congratulated me for? So I text my agent. I'm like, yo, what's going on? I just got three congratulations texts. He's like, I don't know. I'm like, all right. So I call him, like, yo, what's going on? He's like, I don't know. Let me call around, see what. Actually, hold up one sec. He's like, don't take my word for it, but you might be going to Boston at 22. Get your phone out just in case. So I take my phone out, I'm at my boy's house, my best friend's house. Cause I didn't get a drink draft, invite it to the green room. And I was like, all right, cool. Sit there. Boston gets drafted, everybody goes crazy around me. I think it was. Danny was the first one to call me, and then Brad. And then. So I was like, going to Boston, which was. I thought I was going to Utah next pick. That was my thought. It's like, I thought I was going to Utah at 23. Then they traded to pick the Oaklands.

[Bishop B]

Oh, thank God.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, that was. No, that was when Utah was nice, though. That's when they had Donovan Mitchell. They had Rudy, they had.

[Bishop B]

You went to the right team, too.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, I went to the right team.

[Jeff T]

You were solid. Your rookie year in Boston.

[Grant Williams]

And I had a lot of opportunity to play. Cause like that year in Boston, it was me shimmy as the really force. And then Gordon Hayward hurt. Yeah. So I played a lot. Even in the playoffs. Gordon came back like I was still in the rotation. Played a lot of backup 5. Because Tice was our supporter. We had Ennis freedom. Did we have NSA year? I think we had Ennis freedom that year. Yeah. And then. But played a lot of Backup 5 and kind of made a name through that. That whole process.

[DJ Wells]

That rookie man, you getting draft at your homie crib. It's fire. Like, you just over there kicking it.

[Grant Williams]

Over there kicking it. No, it was just hilarious. It's like 12. It was like Me, my family, okay, him, like a couple of my boys. But, like, we were all just kicking it because it was like, I'd rather do it. Like, I didn't want to do nothing crazy because, like, I'd be hating to be the guy that's sitting there like, damn.

[Jeff T]

Was you nervous you might drop to the second round?

[Grant Williams]

I wasn't nervous I'd go second round, but I definitely didn't think I was in the top, like, 15, 20 picks. So I was like, fuck around and be 30. Like.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. I had the same experience, though. Yeah.

[Jeff T]

I remember I was supposed to get picked at 17. And when I ain't get picked, I ain't round. Yeah. I was like, oh, it's over. I'm about to go second round.

[Grant Williams]

That's how I feel. Cause I was like, 22. I was like, I'm not going to Boston. So I started looking at names. I was like, Utah, 23. Best chance I got. Not Utah. San Antonio, 29.

[Jeff T]

When you start doing that, you cook.

[Grant Williams]

You start thinking you cook.

[Jeff T]

Yeah. I was like, oh, man.

[Grant Williams]

Like, even in my reaction, like, you see me, I'm not crying. I'm not. I'm just like, damn, I'm going to Boston. I got to Boston, I was like, so, like, why'd y' all draft me? Cause, like, I took the clipboard out of coach's hand workout, but they brushed it off, and they're like, just don't do that shit again.

[Jeff T]

I already know Jay. Shout out to Jay. That's my guy. Jay is crazy.

[Bishop B]

What vet gravitated towards you when you got to Boston? Like, who showed you the roads?

[Grant Williams]

K Walk. K Walk's my vet. Yeah. Even, like, I'm gonna say, because, like, technically, the guys, I. I knew most of the guys on the roster. JT Was best friends with Harry.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

So, like, we were mutuals already through. Through HG Then I was like, all right, cool. Then it was K Walk, Brad Wanamaker, and OG Brad. Gordon Gordon at the time. Gordon Gordon's the type of vet, though, that, like, do as I do. Like, I'm not gonna pull you along. So if you want to show up at 6am to work out with me, cool. But, like, I'm not about to ask you to show.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

K Walk was the type to be like, anything you got, like, I'm here for you. Like, damn, Covid happened that year. I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Cause my lease. I can't pay for the lease. I ain't got no I ain't getting paid no more. And then at the same time, like, I can't go home to my grandparents or my mom. Like, they 90, 60 something years old. K Walk was like, come live with me. So, like, I lived with K Walk the entire Covid until we went to the bubble. So, like. And then smart, of course, was a vet, too. But, like, all those guys are my vets. Kimbo.

[Jeff T]

Kimba was a great dude.

[Bishop B]

Kimba to embrace you and bring you into his home. Brother, man, that's love.

[Grant Williams]

Think about growing up in Charlotte watching Kimba. I remember I told him the story. I said, you came to practice at Providence day when I was in ninth grade. I remember asking for your autograph. He's like, man, I don't remember that, but I remember practicing at pd and I was like, yeah, in the small gym. Like, I walked up to you. It was a fan moment for me too. And then also to have him as a vet still to this day. That's my daughter now. He's my coach.

[Podcast Announcer]

Coach.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

Kimber a coach.

[Bishop B]

What the was you gonna do if Kimber didn't say pull up?

[Grant Williams]

I was about to slum it. I was gonna go back somewhere. We found out how to figure it out.

[DJ Wells]

About to be pursued her happiness in the league.

[Grant Williams]

Don't remember what your guy. That's insane.

[Jeff T]

That is kind of crazy.

[DJ Wells]

I was gonna ask what you did with that first check, but I forgot. Damn, that Kobe was.

[Grant Williams]

Was wicked. Kobe was wicked, man. Like, Leah's over here. Here, think about the bubble. Like, damn, bubble was insane, too. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

What was that?

[Jeff T]

What was about to ask you that. That was the bubble.

[Grant Williams]

I got so many stories that bubble, man. So, so many stories.

[Bishop B]

Don't say too much.

[Grant Williams]

I can't say too much.

[Bishop B]

This the wrong podcast.

[Grant Williams]

I can't say too much.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, go to the pivot with.

[Grant Williams]

The bubble was crazy just because, like, you got to think you play a game after a game, you can't shower. You walk in. Like, you walk out the locker room. You see, you just play ate.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Like. And mind you, there was so much going on in the bubble. And mind you, there was nobody but dudes. Like, it was to a point where, like, you would, like, they had this one pool where you had the shrimps. Like, you go get shrimps. You go to your room. That was the best. Best food you can get on the bubble because you couldn't order in from the start. You couldn't get no takeout. Like, I remember the one time dude went to the edge of the bubble got suspended for three games.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. So you couldn't order until like I think we was like 50 days in.

[DJ Wells]

And they showed the meals I had. Boy, them meals was they delivered mid to your room.

[Bishop B]

Not LeBron. LeBron ain't was brown.

[Grant Williams]

Had his own. His own room in the top penthouse.

[Bishop B]

Wine for real? No, for real.

[Grant Williams]

House. He had a house on the campus.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Speak for yourself, G. Stop playing.

[Grant Williams]

He had he like that.

[Bishop B]

I knew about that.

[DJ Wells]

Remember Bron Equinox? We in there with all grown ass men and superstars don't come across the room.

[Bishop B]

Different bubble experience. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

[Grant Williams]

I didn't know that Braun legit. Like he had his own. Like they had their own setup. Like that was taken care of on everything.

[Bishop B]

Somebody leaked some. I see. I said that n special.

[Grant Williams]

So yeah. So then next thing you know, we have. That bubble experience was insane. And even just with people like, nah, I can't put a dog out. Like not my dog. I can't put a guy out like that.

[DJ Wells]

Nah.

[Grant Williams]

Like there's some people that hang out the pool waiting for it's come down. Like, you know, different energy. Yeah. You can probably assume who was in the bubble at the time. So it was a different, different time.

[DJ Wells]

The real outtake.

[Bishop B]

That's a rough experience though. I was at hooping though, out in that shit though.

[Grant Williams]

Imagine you playing like, you know, battle for Atlantis. Yeah. It's the exact feeling as that with no fans.

[Bishop B]

Okay.

[Grant Williams]

So like you in an auditorium, ballroom court, they put those TV screens around you. That's when it got wicked. Where you're like. It was jokes because you look up, you see my pops. My pops had a like cigarette damn near in his robe. On the zoom call. On the zoom call. I'm gonna be like, pop. Like takes a nap and say pop. You can't be doing this, man. Like out there chill it square

[Jeff T]

with the road,

[Grant Williams]

chilling. I said, yeah, this is a different experience. You got like they pumping in crowd noise with the home arena.

[Bishop B]

Like.

[Grant Williams]

Like it wasn't real. Like I always say, bubble was such an experience that you had people playing out of their minds that never played that way before.

[Bishop B]

The rest, TJ Warren's crazy.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, my soul. TJ Warren bubble was one of the coach ever played basketball, bro.

[Jeff T]

He was damn near best hoops.

[Grant Williams]

Cuz. Cuz guys ain't have to deal with nothing else besides ball.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

At the same time it was like I ain't never seen dudes like tower heroes pulling up off one leg Three.

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[Grant Williams]

Want some crazy?

[Bishop B]

They sound real, bro.

[Grant Williams]

They felt good, Murray.

[DJ Wells]

Crazy.

[Grant Williams]

Go.

[Jeff T]

It had to be. It had to be better than playing in the next year, though. Like, when I came to the stuff that was terrible.

[Grant Williams]

It was horrible.

[DJ Wells]

So you playing in them big old

[Jeff T]

arenas with nobody in there? Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. It was dead, bro. It was so funny. What was that? You remember that game when somebody was talking crazy about a ref and screamed that shit in the game and you could hear everything and you heard everything stopped by the bench. She was like, you can't talk to me that way.

[Jeff T]

You can hear everything, bro. Our first game, we walked in the stadium, we about to play Milwaukee. I'm like, oh, this ain't gonna work, gang. Like, I can't even get hyped.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, the vibes just.

[Jeff T]

JT hit a game winner. Nobody give a fuck. That was a good shot, boy. Hey, where we going?

[DJ Wells]

And it's a hell of a shot, too, man.

[Jeff T]

I gave a like, okay, where we going tonight?

[Grant Williams]

Like, the bubble was definitely better than that second, you know, year.

[Jeff T]

I could imagine.

[Grant Williams]

Like, and it's tough because even for me, like, because Peyton, Princeton knows guys rookies. So they never experienced fans.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Versus me. I experienced fans for the first half of the season, then dealt with the bubble, then dealt with the next year. So it was like, completely different. Like, I'm over here. Like, bubble times was. I feel like it was a grind. But then the next year, it felt like literally the entire season was just like, toss it to the grain. I didn't want to be there.

[Jeff T]

That shit. That shit was old with. Didn't nobody want to be there, though, bro.

[Grant Williams]

We had co. We had. What was that game? We had Joe Johnson, Justin Jackson.

[Jeff T]

Oh, I had left then.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. No, no, no, it was before you left.

[Jeff T]

Nah, I was gone when Joe got you there.

[Bishop B]

I mean, he was there.

[Grant Williams]

I left.

[Jeff T]

But I remember we had to sit one time, we had to do the COVID test, and it, like, malfunctioned, and we had to be there for, like, sit out there for, like, 50 minutes and wait. Like, they start bringing you food, like, wow. We just sit there and waste that.

[Bishop B]

Before you got on that, that. You had to pass it, though.

[Jeff T]

Don't tell nobody. I was clear. I was a real Lamar.

[Grant Williams]

Lamar is crazy for sure.

[Jeff T]

Hey, I was getting through there, bro.

[DJ Wells]

I know. Soundtrack behead. We gonna talk about later.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Marvin is the greatest power forward of all time.

[Bishop B]

I told you.

[DJ Wells]

I don't care what nobody says. I.

[Grant Williams]

He.

[DJ Wells]

He solidified.

[Grant Williams]

He said. He said I had the most coked out summers in the world.

[Jeff T]

He said I had some fun,

[Bishop B]

Y'. All talking to an addict, that's not fun.

[Grant Williams]

A real addict.

[Jeff T]

It's not funny.

[DJ Wells]

That's not funny. But the way he was, it was for Lamar, the wild boy.

[Bishop B]

It's my favorite boy ever, bro, to

[Jeff T]

say I had some fun times in the summer. Coach out.

[DJ Wells]

They like.

[Jeff T]

You can't say that. Lamar.

[Bishop B]

And on God, Lamar Law lie. You definitely hit that powder doing the scene. That's too long to be clean.

[Grant Williams]

Gr.

[Bishop B]

Don't speak on it.

[Grant Williams]

I'm just saying. He definitely did lying, bro. He definitely did so respect all them guys back in the day. I feel like was.

[Bishop B]

No, not. Not in the 2000s.

[Jeff T]

N. He ain't even that old, though.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, he missed the.

[Grant Williams]

You remember John Starks on the.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, see, that's j. Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

No, but let's revisit it. You don't remember it either. That was a wild interview. That's a wild interview.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, boy blacked out.

[Grant Williams]

I ain't never seen nobody tweak out like that. I've seen people lay down, like, chill, like. Have you seen that?

[Jeff T]

What is this?

[DJ Wells]

That is not their bike.

[Grant Williams]

Like, you'll see at the beginning. Look at the bottom left. Bottom right.

[Bishop B]

Oh, that was powder.

[Grant Williams]

You think it was, man?

[Bishop B]

No, bro.

[Jeff T]

Just tweak.

[DJ Wells]

That was.

[Grant Williams]

That was.

[Bishop B]

That was the momentum, bro. That's a momentum.

[Grant Williams]

A dude shooting a half court shot.

[Bishop B]

That's the. Adrian.

[Grant Williams]

There was no contest.

[Bishop B]

I don't want to say that you on the show, G. You about to make me speak about powder. I'm just saying it don't make you act like that. That was something.

[DJ Wells]

My malfunction.

[Jeff T]

He just tweaked, bro.

[Bishop B]

John Starks and Lamar Old is crazy.

[DJ Wells]

Honestly, that's the first emote. He the og

[Jeff T]

he just tweaked.

[DJ Wells]

He just. Oh, man, my boy tweaked out.

[Grant Williams]

Lay down.

[Jeff T]

He just. Bro, he just tweaked.

[Bishop B]

How you even remember that?

[Grant Williams]

Listen, that's the first thing that came to mind when I hear that.

[Jeff T]

Ch.

[Grant Williams]

I think back to those 90s, cuz. That's back when there was no real testing.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, boys. It's really the 80s, though.

[DJ Wells]

He said, boys, smoke squares at halftime.

[Grant Williams]

They had beer in the. Beer in the Gatorade. Gatorade containers. They said, larry's have a beer. Like, that's why. Why this my dog. Like, LD when he had a beer after the game. I said, y', all, y', all, y', all. Y' all had to. Y' all take the beer away from ld. But they was drinking beer during the middle of a game. He the next Larry.

[DJ Wells]

My boy. It's not fact.

[Grant Williams]

Let him rock out.

[Jeff T]

That's real.

[Bishop B]

I agree.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Michael Philly took that break. He looked at him like, hey, man,

[Jeff T]

I ain't gonna lie. Me and E.T.

[Grant Williams]

e.T. One of the funniest human beings ever.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, shout out, my dog, E.T.

[Bishop B]

yeah, we love E.T. bro.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to bro.

[Bishop B]

That's one of our own for sure.

[Grant Williams]

Those one on one sessions, I used the real assistant.

[Bishop B]

Okay, so you neutral?

[Grant Williams]

I'm neutral.

[Bishop B]

How did those one on one sessions go?

[Grant Williams]

Credit where credit's due. Jet did win a couple games.

[Jeff T]

Come on, bro.

[Grant Williams]

Like, he won a couple games.

[Bishop B]

Show my some love.

[Grant Williams]

But also at the same time, like, it was always JTE, Jet, ET I ain't never really seen no win nothing. I'll get the truth. Speak the truth. I'll get the truth.

[Jeff T]

You know he about to text you. Sure.

[Grant Williams]

But I was retired.

[DJ Wells]

E.T.

[Grant Williams]

he bought £25. He was. You know, he. Before he got back into shape.

[Jeff T]

That's a fact.

[Grant Williams]

So E.T. was just there. You know, he always. I compete, man. I compete. Yeah, no threes, but you know what I mean.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, it was a fact. That's a fact.

[Grant Williams]

So then ET Never really won, Jet. I'd Say would win like seventh of the games. I would say, like, he had his days where, you know, he won a couple.

[Bishop B]

Okay.

[Grant Williams]

Jt, Dominic, the rest for sure.

[Bishop B]

For sure.

[Grant Williams]

And then like the occasional times when me and Peyton joined, we won.

[Jeff T]

Payton want to play one on one.

[Grant Williams]

Payton want to play one on one all the time.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Though Payton be the type to like, they do three spots, right? Then he'd be like, let's do seven.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

It's like, yeah, we done.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

I remember it was one day at me. Jt, jb, you and Payton all played. And I remember because they for real. So it's like I used to, like, I used to never do the during, like, sit out doing one on one. I never did in the games. So every time I A tough move, I remember I messed up. JB one time, Jet was like. He was like, damn, G do that in the game.

[DJ Wells]

For sure.

[Grant Williams]

But like, so. But it was some good times.

[Jeff T]

It was hella fun. That team was one of. I told you.

[Grant Williams]

That's one of the funniest teams, bro. Tristan and Brad, the most comedy. I I tell those stories teammates to this day.

[Jeff T]

Double T, bro.

[DJ Wells]

13, baby.

[Jeff T]

And this is how we do it in Clevel.

[Grant Williams]

Damn.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. Let Brown breathe, bro.

[Jeff T]

This is how we did it in Cleveland.

[Grant Williams]

Oh, this can't cope, man.

[DJ Wells]

Y had a hell, man.

[Jeff T]

What? I remember one time we got on the plane, the food was weak. Hey. Oh, my God.

[DJ Wells]

We all on there.

[Jeff T]

We chilling. Everybody just chilling like this.

[DJ Wells]

What y' all eating like.

[Jeff T]

Yeah,

[DJ Wells]

they would never do this in Cleveland. Never do this in Cleveland.

[Grant Williams]

BR would have went crazy. Crazy.

[DJ Wells]

All right, camper, look at me.

[Bishop B]

He has to come on this.

[DJ Wells]

I love this.

[Grant Williams]

This how they treat y'. All.

[Bishop B]

We own.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, God, bro.

[Grant Williams]

This what happened was still. We still in the playoffs.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, I swear to God.

[Bishop B]

Was TT a good vet, though?

[Jeff T]

Yeah, and he one of the coolest teammates I ever had.

[Grant Williams]

Take care of the rooks.

[Jeff T]

Like.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, he never did. Made you do nothing crazy by then. Like, I was. I was a second year, so I ain't have to do crazy stuff no more. But right. Like Peyton Aaron. Them. Hey, A Ron man crash out my

[DJ Wells]

killing now though he hooping. I used to be his ass every day.

[Jeff T]

Oh, my God.

[DJ Wells]

He said bust his ass.

[Jeff T]

Joe used to be like playing.

[Grant Williams]

Come on, he's gotta get better. He gotta go. You gotta. You gotta be on the door.

[Jeff T]

Come on.

[DJ Wells]

Kill him. Likes to be damn. Now, my boy Patience, you talking about earlier. Payton Pritchard, his development, what he looked like. Did you see early on, too, that he was gonna be like that.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

When they got that.

[Grant Williams]

When they got him on that contract, I was like, oh, this is.

[Jeff T]

And they robbed him. Bogus, right?

[Grant Williams]

That's what they're gonna. I think they're gonna take care of him.

[Bishop B]

They're gonna make it right on everything.

[Grant Williams]

Oh, he's a fan favorite. But that dude, like, when I tell you he was cooking like that from the moment he. Man. And then, like, he also, like, he. He waited his time, but at the same time, he was always killing. Like, you could tell he worked his. Like, he type person you have to tell to get out the gym sort of God, like, he was one where he'd be in the morning, they'd be like, hey, we got a true lockout day. And everybody else can come in, but Payton damn would legit. He'd. And he's type person that, like, they keep him out of gym. He's going to find another gym next door.

[Jeff T]

Nah, he's a basketball junkie.

[Grant Williams]

Junkie, bro.

[Jeff T]

I used to be like. I remember, I was like, brad play Peyton, man. It's cool. Like, yeah. Because Brad was like, you know, he's ready.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, that's Brad for sure.

[DJ Wells]

That's what I'm saying. I fucking kill him.

[Grant Williams]

I remember that conversation when me and both went to Brad. Hey, play that play on, man.

[Jeff T]

I'm tired. Y' all acting like he on one play, man. He was cooking in practice, though.

[Grant Williams]

You gotta think Payton been through it all. Like, he was in that position when he jet he started playing again. Eme came. He was hooping for real.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Then after that next season, it was Malcolm Brogden. Jeff, like Derek White. Marcus Smart. Yeah. Court.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

And then following year, that's when they started going off.

[Bishop B]

I love his development, bro. We just had a crazy segment about him and Caleb Clark on the show. I spaz.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

They got paid and up say they got paid.

[DJ Wells]

Freddie got the wallet on the show.

[Grant Williams]

Paying like, paying nice, bro. Love to the women.

[Bishop B]

Love, love.

[Grant Williams]

Kaylin. Kaylin. Kaylin. Nice. Payton different, bro. Yeah.

[Jeff T]

He's paying different.

[Grant Williams]

Think about this. Payton is so nice. That and a team with JT and jb. They give him the ball sometimes at the end of the game and let him rock.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

Ain't nice, bro. I ain't never. I always say good. He dribble the out that ball. Oh, he got handles like a.

[DJ Wells]

He said he was in the AR the other day.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. He put in a blender.

[Grant Williams]

We gotta play them soon. And I'm Pissed.

[DJ Wells]

Go ahead. Switch on that screen, G. Go ahead.

[Grant Williams]

No, he be talking crazy, too.

[Jeff T]

He talk.

[Grant Williams]

He talked like he. He truly like. Like he'd go any pickup session.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, I got a me, bro.

[Jeff T]

He definitely got fire.

[Bishop B]

I gotta meet my boy PP for sure. Sure. Black calling pp.

[Jeff T]

Meeting the pp, though, is crazy.

[Bishop B]

Ah, that is. That is great. Cause I ain't there. But see, I don't call my that. That's probably why I went over my head. It's the wood or nothing. But as the genius, Toughest guard, though, in the league, man, that's what I was. You undersized big, but you hold your.

[Jeff T]

And he guard one through five, though.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Grant Williams]

For me, it's always. It's really like, jet, like, short, that can shoot, that can go, like, fast. Like Peyton. Like Darius garland, Steph Curry, C.J. mcCollums. Like, those guys are the hardest ones. Because I'd rather guard. Guard. That's gonna get me up in the future. I'd rather guard KD and those type of guys because it's more, like, more fun than guard a. That's just gonna pit pat, co, cross, like, pass it off, cut back door, sprint to get the ball.

[Jeff T]

Like.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, it's too much like, relax.

[Jeff T]

I knew you was different when you was guarding Joel Embiid. Yeah, I never forget that, bro. I was watching that game.

[Grant Williams]

You fucking him up.

[DJ Wells]

Nah.

[Grant Williams]

I mean, nah.

[Jeff T]

He was actually doing a good job. But Joel Embiid, seven foot, damn near £300. Grant, he's six seven for sure.

[Bishop B]

Did you sign up for that or they put you in that?

[Grant Williams]

So, like, I always was able to, like, guard bigger guys. Like, even, like, college, everything else going to league, we, like. They saw it when we played. Bam. They're like, we're just gonna try them on. Like, try them, like, put him on Jokic. Put him on Embiid. See how he does. And then, like, I was guarding. So, like, I actually do better, I think on. I always say I guard best three through five. Five ones and twos. Like Donovan Mitchells. Those guys of the world.

[Bishop B]

It's a long day.

[Grant Williams]

Struggle. Like, struggle. They might not score three out of five. But, like. Or, sorry, four out of five. But maybe three out of five other guys. I'd say two. Maybe one out of five. Like, even, like, regarding Sengun recently, like, guys like that, like, I feel like. I feel confident in my matchup versus, like, other matchups. I'm like, ah, he might got. Might got the better of me. I'm Truth. I'm truthful about it.

[Bishop B]

Nah, for sure, bro.

[Grant Williams]

Like, and B, even, for example, like, guarding him in playoff series. Guarding Giannis like Brook Lopez. Like, those guys. Those are the ones I feel like I have the most fun guarding because they don't flop, they play downhill. And, like, they fight. Like, I like fighting, so respect.

[Bishop B]

I see that bruise on the side of your head. So I see.

[Grant Williams]

Cameron.

[DJ Wells]

Rule of Fight Club. You saw myself. What was it like playing in the finals against. No, I'm saying that type of word, saying y' all balance.

[Grant Williams]

I'm surprised you didn't go from Fight Club to ask about the Pistons.

[DJ Wells]

Don't worry, we get there.

[Grant Williams]

Playing in the finals is cool because, like, it's a different experience. Yeah, like, they always talk about, like, the CP quote. Like, I want to feel this, like, experience again. Like, type shit. Like, it was legit. Like, you. That first game you stepped on the court. I remember my heart was beating out my team Chess.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

And you start playing and it's some the best environments, whether it's like fans, the media, you have to do before the game. Like, it's top to bottom across from first man to 15th man. I feel like you got to stay locked.

[Jeff T]

No, that's a fact.

[Grant Williams]

It's a. It's a different experience. And like, to experience it in that 2022 series. Like, I remember we playing those. Those games. We. Man, we thought we wanted. Like, we. We were two up. Two. Two one. Two or. Yeah, two.

[Jeff T]

One.

[Grant Williams]

And I was like, yo, like, we going back home. Like, we home. We got to get this next win. Game four happens. Steph. I always say Steph went off. Steph is insane. Jordan Poole. JP Was one of the biggest reasons why they won that series. But Steph, that Game four was ridiculous. Oh, yeah, I remember I was guarding it, but then when I got subbed out, I remember watching it, I was like, yo, yeah, this is a different level of basketball player.

[Jeff T]

And he was hyped, too. Like, he was on a mission. Yeah, he was showing a lot of emotion, and he was. He was wild.

[Grant Williams]

I ain't never like, because Clay was cool ass. Whole series. He was good. But, like, it was really JP And Steph, that was. That was carrying them throughout that entire run for sure.

[Bishop B]

JP Was.

[Grant Williams]

And then Otto Porter and Andrew Wiggins, bro, they had some big ass games.

[DJ Wells]

Otto Porter,

[Grant Williams]

me off to this day because that following year, he got traded to the Raptors out the league. Like, it still makes me mad. Like, he was busting, bro. We always got some random dudes that beat us back when I was in Boston.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, that was George out, P. He was.

[Grant Williams]

He was healthy, Auto. He never been healthy his entire career. And then true finals run. He want to freaking play every game, 20 minutes and be good.

[Bishop B]

He was killing.

[DJ Wells]

He was killing you that you was

[Jeff T]

that close to being like me, bro. He was that close to being a champ, bro. It's all good.

[DJ Wells]

Hey, but he did get your bucks up out of here before that, though.

[Jeff T]

I was already gone, bro. It didn't matter no more.

[Grant Williams]

Crazy part about it is that championship year, I remember you playing. Played what, three minutes. He was real factor.

[DJ Wells]

I knew I should have wore my coat today.

[Bishop B]

I want to ask, have you ever matched up with Draymond?

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bishop B]

Who was that man?

[Grant Williams]

How we did another game against Pelicans, Jumped on Z's back.

[DJ Wells]

Like a celebration try, get a rebound.

[Grant Williams]

All right. Like, that was the even game. Won the series. Me and Dre got into it. That. That series.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

And I always say I got the most respect for Draymond in the world because I made it to this day. And I'll never change in the stance. I was my favorite player growing up, like, because six, seven, six, that, you know, pass it, involve, you know, everything that stuff. So, like, I'll give him the credit where it's due, but every time we play against him, it's smoke. Smoke, yeah. Competitive. Like, I think that he's the type of person that, like, talk, as you all know, talks all the shit in the world.

[Jeff T]

That's a fact.

[Grant Williams]

He got the team to back it up and does a phenomenal job of, you know, making an impact on winning where you can. So, like, when I was in Boston, especially back and forth, back and forth. Every single time. I think when I was the first, within my first five years, there was always an altercation.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Grant Williams]

There was some level of altercation where it was like those when I got traded to Charlotte, try to kick me in my nuts. When it was, you know, when I was in Dallas, like, when I had in Boston and, like, wrestle to the ground, double text. Like, it was always something. This year, I think this year's the first year did I play.

[Bishop B]

I remember y' all wrestled. I just never knew that y' all was to, like, guard each other.

[Jeff T]

I never.

[Grant Williams]

Normally they put me on somebody else. Cause, like, with Dre, you try and put your five on them. You try and put. Like, when we were in Boston, we put JT on them because we were like, we can just switch it. Like, you put me on who was on that team at the time?

[Jeff T]

Otto Porter.

[Grant Williams]

Otto. Nah, I won't take credit for that. It was like they put. I would switch with Looney, and they would just never come into ball screens.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, you talking about having the scene to back it up. Go ahead and jump to recently, Detroit, Charlotte, they had a hell of a time, man. What was the vibes like?

[Grant Williams]

Man, I always say, just watch the reactions, man. Like, I saw it from the start. Like, this is like, even before this play started happening, like, Duran and Moose were drawing. They were talking, like, talking, talking. And once the mush happened, I was like, oh, like, it started getting crazy. I stood up, I had heat packs in my hand, like, all right, let's see if they get it taken care of, because I'm not about. I gotta find my second year in the league or third year in the league. Against the Bulls, I got suspended one game, man. I lost $30,000 or $50,000. Yeah. I ain't never doing this again.

[Bishop B]

Nah, for sure.

[Grant Williams]

But then this happens, right? So I'm over here like, all right, they got it situated. When I saw a Miles swing on Duran, I was like, all right. You see me and Tillman start one walking. We start walking. Then Stuart ran. That's when we really start walking. And my coach pulled me back because he was like, grant, we need you to play. And you, like, you see me trying to get on the court twice, and I'm like, yo, I want to be involved.

[Jeff T]

It's fun.

[Bishop B]

N. Sit your ass down.

[Jeff T]

Don't lose no chicken, bro.

[Grant Williams]

That's what it was. You can't lose that.

[Bishop B]

Miles dunked that. See, they was in the ring for real.

[Grant Williams]

Every. Each sequence was fun because you saw the first one. I give it a lot of credit to Duran because he really could have knocked my dog out. Like Musa, he's like, this situation happened. Tries to swing on him, holds back. They hold him back. We like all. We got him situated. He walks away. We think it's done.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

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[Grant Williams]

Booster going crazy throw security. Boom. Right here. This is when he could have

[Bishop B]

knocked the

[DJ Wells]

he watched the tape.

[Grant Williams]

You could tell he can fight, too, because he had a little turn. He checked, held it back. So I was like, all right. Checks the then keeps backing up. So I was like, all right, cool. They get most situated. Miles, I think, was just riled up. He was talking. He's trying to support his teammate. Goes keeps pursuing him, trying to swing, swings on Duran. They swing back and forth. They miss, miss, miss, miss. So I said, Stewart came. Nothing happened. Stewart came from the other side of the bench.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, he could have scooped him, though.

[Jeff T]

I seen Miles. He is.

[Grant Williams]

Hey, to this day I think he would have scooped him, but the Duncan rocks was over. I don't know if either one of them know they get to the ground. Like, you got to think, cuz. Throwing hands is different. Like he slipped it, scoops, goes for a double leg, tries to slam him.

[Jeff T]

I forgot you was into that.

[Grant Williams]

My fault. You know, I'm into all like, the

[Bishop B]

MMA I love watching.

[DJ Wells]

He just broke down the stances of a NBA fight.

[Jeff T]

I forgot that.

[Grant Williams]

What the we doing screen. Yeah.

[Jeff T]

What?

[Bishop B]

What?

[Jeff T]

He pulling up my stats to the fight. What are you.

[Bishop B]

Oh, that crazy transition.

[Grant Williams]

Hey, at least you got points. Yo, yo, yo, that Z0 2.0 0.8 this is. Yeah, yeah. Something.

[Jeff T]

No.

[Bishop B]

Oh, God, no, y'.

[Grant Williams]

All. Then I think Miles would have slammed him. I don't know what. After that, there ain't no chance of breaking that up. Nah, that's too. Too really good at it, cuz.

[Bishop B]

Jerry Dur my neighbor. I seen M Duck. I said, oh, my boy been in this before. I took him back to the hood.

[Grant Williams]

Tell he been doing boxing lessons over the past.

[Jeff T]

For sure.

[Bishop B]

For sure.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, they got wicked, bro.

[Grant Williams]

For sure.

[Jeff T]

All right, man.

[DJ Wells]

What was like, man? Moving from Boston to Dallas. What was that transition like?

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, I was gonna say.

[DJ Wells]

Cause, like, signing trade, baby.

[Grant Williams]

Signing trades always get the misconception. People think signing trades is like, oh, this guy got moved versus signing trades. Basically, the player deciding to go somewhere else signing stuff like that. So when I left the team, I was like, you know, at the time, me and Joe weren't on the best of terms. Now it's my dog locked in for life. But at the time, we were on best of terms, I was like, I'm going. I'm gone.

[DJ Wells]

Either.

[Grant Williams]

Either way. So then I signed to Dallas. I'm like, all right, cool. So W. Me, Lucas, represented by my agency. Get there, Mark. And those guys are like, hey, we're excited to have you. We need you to be, like, a leader on this team, hold people accountable. All this other stuff, I'm like, cool. So then that season happens. You know how it went. And, like, it was a great time. Like, I look back to those times, I learned so much about that team. Like, Kyrie, like, all the misconceptions that I had across about him at the league, I was like, yo, this one of the best teammates I've ever had. Yeah, like, and then you got like, LD One of the best players. I remember those conversations with E.T. and that's why I brought J.T.

[Jeff T]

yeah.

[Grant Williams]

J.T. is my dog. J.T. is my Dog. J.T. is my DOG.

[Jeff T]

Don't do that.

[Grant Williams]

And don't do that.

[Jeff T]

Don't do that.

[Grant Williams]

JT Impacts winning more. Okay, so how you determine which one is a better player, that's on you to decide. The talent that I saw playing with Luka is absurd.

[Jeff T]

He's nice.

[Bishop B]

What you say about J2? I missed that one.

[Grant Williams]

He impacts the way he impacts winning is unprecedented. Like, he impacts the game out every facet. He can defend. He can. Like, he's a playmaker. He can score. So he's a 6, 10 wing that can do it all. Like, that's the. That's the best way to describe it. LD 6, 7, European bucket that also controls the. The game. Like, he. Like, he pace. Like, he knows how he puts people in position. Yeah. Like, I've never had that many open shots since playing with Luka Donchi in my life. It's difficult at times, but at the same time, like, it's like, you watch him and you're amazed. Like. And like I always say, JT, I think, had the benefit of the doubt that, like, in moments, like, he was amazing in moments, but also he had a really, really freaking good team. So you didn't have to be amazing at all times. Times, like, with ld, I felt like every single game I'd be like, there's something new that I'm like, yeah. Holy crap. Like, and maybe that's just how they both play. You know, JT is a little bit more passive also, like, a little bit more, like, trusting of his teammates. LD's a little more ball dominant, you know, getting to his own.

[DJ Wells]

So what's that first practice at that training camp, like, when you got to see Kyrie and Luka hooping at the same time?

[Grant Williams]

Oh, no. So I was like, who the fuck was you going. I'll say that I always bring it back to that Finley story, because when Finley came out was like, Grant got 26 on his head. I'm like, that is cap. Oh, yeah. I definitely got scored on.

[Jeff T]

It's about.

[Grant Williams]

About 12. Like, definitely about 12. 12 switches. So, like. But LD, like, I was. I was in charge of making sure you showed up every day. So, like, I was, like, always agitating them, like, pissing them off some way. Like, makes in Dallas, we practice, like, we practice every day. It's different than if, like, we scrimmaged. Like, that was. Oh, yeah, that's it.

[Bishop B]

That's right.

[Grant Williams]

So it was smooth. Like, I rocked with it. And so it was competitive, like Kai and absurd. But Kai would pick and choose. Like, some days when, you know, guys get into it, that's when Kai would turn it up. But other days, he'd be like, all right, yeah, LD needs this for his conditioning, whatever he needs to do, and let him rock out. So it was fun. But also that team, like, you could tell that team was a finals team, even without, like, the talent. Like, we needed one more big at the time, like Rashawn Holmes. I think at the time when I was there, like, we needed, like, Gafford changed that team.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Hell of a trade.

[Grant Williams]

Underrated trade, for sure. Even my trade with pj, like, it was a good trade in my opinion, like, in terms of, like, similar players. But at the same time, like, I think PJ provides a little bit more. I like passing more than he does. Like, I feel like he's a little more score. Score motivated. So, like, even that group, like, they were. They were prepared to go to the finals, and that's why they did. I just think that made it tough at the end.

[DJ Wells]

So you were one person who probably thought last year, like, everybody else, like, how the hell did they trade Luka? Or that was probably shocking as hell to you.

[Grant Williams]

Oh, no, I was in bed and I was. Was like, I saw the tweet. I was like, ain't no way. At the same time. I know. Cause like, Nico loves. Loves A.D. you know, he's a Kobe guy. And A.D. was Kobe's guy even talking about Yan. It was really trying. I thought it was really trying to set up Giannis going to Dallas.

[Jeff T]

Oh, that's what you.

[Grant Williams]

That's what they really wanted. They wanted Giannis and AD in Dallas. I think that was the envision. The plan.

[Bishop B]

Oh, shit.

[Jeff T]

Giannis and AD Wow.

[DJ Wells]

That would have fed families.

[Grant Williams]

Yes. Generations. Because that's all. That's all he talked about. He talked about those two guys. Those were the guys. So I think, like, they said, remember the first call they made to Timberwolves?

[Jeff T]

I think it was Milwaukee, then it was Timberwolves.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. Yeah, Bucks then. Timberwolves.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Bucks going after Giannis. Giannis, Timberwolves going after.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

So they all know that was a year early now. We know it's been this year, boy.

[Jeff T]

Oh, Giannis would have been.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

In Dallas.

[Grant Williams]

Yams, get out of there. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

It been deep, Ellen, for sure.

[Grant Williams]

Show. Yeah. So. But that was a. It was. It was smooth, like, seeing it. But then when the trade happened, I was like, well, Nico was just fed up. They were. They were done with it. They were done with like the. Like the. Or like, organizational control. They were done with all that stuff. So they were like, we're gonna move off of them. And in my opinion, I think that was messed up because blindsided your best player.

[DJ Wells]

Superstar.

[Grant Williams]

Superstar. Probably top three, top two player in the NBA.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Um, so it was like. It was very shocking from a player perspective because I'm like, you could have easily, like, gone to him and be like, yo. Because there's. They also thought they did right by him because, like, if, you know, ld enough, like, you know, it's probably three places he'd go if it wasn't Dallas.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

And it was. That's probably one of the three. But I mean, he did get traded to the Lakers. Like, if you knew you were champion to the Lakers, you could still go to him and be like, yo, like, yeah, to you. I know you. You probably don't hate this. You're out of here.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Like us.

[Jeff T]

Yeah. You are going to la. You're going to la, bro.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

You will be like, he's probably like, damn.

[Grant Williams]

What?

[Jeff T]

Well, it's an extra 50 million I'm probably about to make in the endorsement deals.

[DJ Wells]

Taken away taxes.

[Jeff T]

Oh, yeah, you right. And it ain't no state tax.

[Grant Williams]

Supermax.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, he gonna get that back. Y' all trust me.

[DJ Wells]

I need that now, bro.

[Grant Williams]

Get it. You see LD in a ton of commercials. LD not really like commercials.

[Bishop B]

Did you know Wild in her had a tree?

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

You didn't know that, did you?

[Bishop B]

Told you about that tree, ain't it

[Jeff T]

LA dog.

[Grant Williams]

That's a bomber. LA version.

[DJ Wells]

Everything was okay,

[Bishop B]

bro. Did not leak the news, boy.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

So LD Okay.

[Grant Williams]

We might know something. Okay.

[Bishop B]

Got a br. Believe that.

[Grant Williams]

Got a br.

[Bishop B]

Believe that.

[Jeff T]

Hey, y. Hey, man.

[DJ Wells]

Happy you back from injury, man. Good to see you back on the court, man. How's it feeling being back. Coming back from an injury? I know that's a grind, man. Dealing with stuff like that.

[Grant Williams]

It's great, but it's. It's tough, you know? Like, I feel. I feel like coming back from any injury, you know, any type of. Like, it's my first injury of my life, for real. That made me miss time. So, like, coming back from an injury has shown me that you have to be patient. Yeah. You gotta be. Understand that you're not. Like, you might be better in your eye, like, your mind, like, you're better than you were, but you gotta, like, be understanding that the shot's gonna come around. Like, even the first two or three, three, four games. Like, I was playing good defensively, helping the team win and stuff like that. But, man, I was shooting, like, 12%. Like, from the field, 12% from the three. I was like. I'm a. I was killing in practice.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Like, that game speed, it ain't nothing like it.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Now I think I'm getting more accustomed to it, like, turning it back around, but, like, even so, it's like they say, it takes a full year. NaCl. So, like, I'm trying to be patient with myself, but also understand that I can't be too patient because. Hold yourself to a high standard, but also, like, doing all things that matter. Like. Like before, you know, I. I always tell the stories. Like that finals run, I used to. I used to manipulate my weight. So, like, I would go from 2, 4. I remember that first round series, I went from 243. Second round series, we played the Bucks, I got up to 248. Third round series, we played BAM. I knew up to play in the five. I was 254. Damn. I tried to get down to 243 again to play the Warriors. I could only get down to, like, 247. So, like, I used to try and do that.

[Jeff T]

You need Tell him how to do that.

[Bishop B]

Nah, I know.

[Grant Williams]

I know different methods.

[Bishop B]

N. I tell you how to lose weight.

[Grant Williams]

There you go. John Starks. Lamar. Lamar, Lamar.

[Bishop B]

Slime flew.

[Grant Williams]

I can't do that no more.

[Bishop B]

I don't want you get into trouble. Never hit the powder.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, Never. I can't manipulate my weight anymore the way I used to. So, like, now with the ACL injury, I'm like, all right, I got to make sure I stay at the 240.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

7, 248 rather than going up. 255.

[Jeff T]

You weigh 248. Cause that you.

[Bishop B]

So for talking about. You need to teach you about.

[DJ Wells]

Listen, listen me and be here. We the real Charlotte Hornets, man.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, man. Appreciate you, bro.

[Grant Williams]

For real.

[DJ Wells]

Seattle playoffs.

[Jeff T]

Oh, before you go, you got to tell us about these cards.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeff T]

Oh, yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Off the court, free game. So whatever cards. Like, you guys might be fans of stuff like that, like ripping wax, basically. Like gambling. I'll give you a truth.

[Jeff T]

Okay.

[Grant Williams]

Like, I brought a case to rip, if you want to rip it after we're done where it's like, yeah, if you want.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Let's see what we.

[Grant Williams]

So we got a case of Panini Prism. The one below it, the black. The brown case. That's the case of Panini Prism football this year. So, like, Shador Auto. Those. Yeah, it's like a whole case of like 12 boxes in it.

[Bishop B]

Oh, okay.

[Jeff T]

Damn.

[DJ Wells]

So big money on the way.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. So cases, they're guaranteed case hits. So, like, you normally have a better chance of making your money back compared if you buy individual box. So.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. If you got a key. So the way you really. It's based about prospecting just like a gm, Just like you would if you're owning a team and you basically hold cars. Some cars are more rare than other others. The cards that are more rare sell for more.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Grant Williams]

So these. I brought football because it's the best way to talk about.

[DJ Wells]

Okay. Big rips.

[Grant Williams]

Right on, brother. Yeah. Box.

[DJ Wells]

Yes, sir.

[Grant Williams]

Hold.

[Jeff T]

If I find some heat in here,

[DJ Wells]

I get to keep it giving.

[Grant Williams]

You keep it.

[DJ Wells]

Okay, man, we got gifts.

[Jeff T]

Let me get Z Franklin in this joint.

[Grant Williams]

Listen, if you hit it, let's tell you the truth, you hear? If you hit a manga, you're coming off on five figures. Just let y' all know. Okay.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Grant Williams]

So if you see a card that looks like an anime print.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Find a figure card, say less. Now, listen, are you one of the people who be in there ruin all the Kids drinks with the Pokemon cards. If you have the people who pull the vending machine.

[Grant Williams]

I'm not. I'm not the person that shows up, buys 20 boxes, and then walks out. He said I'm a still.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Grant Williams]

Like, I'm a person. Like, I like buying that.

[Jeff T]

Oh, it be multiple packs.

[Grant Williams]

Multiple packs. Rip all the packs. I'll tell you if you had a good card. Oh, yeah.

[Jeff T]

All right, I'm.

[Grant Williams]

I'mma get one numbered card is what you're looking for. Okay.

[Bishop B]

Everybody on the pack.

[Jeff T]

I got a Ray Lewis, though. Is that Fire?

[Grant Williams]

Yeah. So, like, it's a base card. So, like, base cars are cool. They're, like, cool names, but you want guys like, the shinier cards.

[DJ Wells]

Hey, Will Smith.

[Jeff T]

Jared Goff, is it? Would you consider this a shiny.

[Grant Williams]

So, yeah, that's a blue. That's a blue. Blue. So that's number. So tell you the number. Number 10, Christian McCaffrey.

[Bishop B]

I trade you.

[Grant Williams]

And also the nut. That's another thing. You can trade cards. But, like, what I always do is base cards don't really matter, so I always just. You can peak it. You'll see that.

[Jeff T]

Okay. Who is that?

[Grant Williams]

RJ Harvey, basketball print to 180. Like, rookies sell higher than the vets do.

[Jeff T]

Okay.

[Grant Williams]

Consistently. So if you have a rookie card that's a silver, then that will sell more than a rookie base. Similar to how, like, numbered cards and sell more. It kind of goes by, like, increments. You're looking for, like, the bigger name. So quarterbacks. Like, if you had a Jackson Darts silver, you might hit, like, a couple hundred dollars card in the gym.

[Jeff T]

Like, all right, so this. Oh, he. Earnest Biner. He ain't. He ain't rolling.

[Grant Williams]

Okay. Okay, so this basically, yeah, insert inserts. They're silvers. Like, people collect them for sets, but they're not really, like, something that you, like, you ever put to the side unless it's numbered.

[Jeff T]

I'm getting legendary. I got Dwight Freey.

[Bishop B]

I got Lawrence Taylor.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

Shaki.

[Grant Williams]

So, yeah, you get some good, like, some cool names, but because they're not their rookie, like, if you go back and rip the products when they were rookies, Dukes versus Nowadays, unless it's an autograph or something like that.

[Bishop B]

Cooper Dujan, super bowl champion.

[DJ Wells]

Hell, yeah. We having too much fun with this, man. Gotta tap in for sure.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

Appreciate that. But we gonna.

[Grant Williams]

This is where you. You know, you might be able to get a sponsorship for the pot.

[Jeff T]

You mean talk to him?

[Grant Williams]

Yes, sir. Seeing some products to rip.

[Jeff T]

Like, I'm getting All my favorite players, but I ain't getting.

[Grant Williams]

And sometimes the favorite players are the ones you collect.

[Jeff T]

So like, okay, yeah, I'm saying I got Bobby Wagner and I got Nick Bosa. Even though Nick. You know, Nick Bosa be wilding. But they not like us.

[Grant Williams]

Yeah, I got a Mich Michael Vic Auto. My. My case over there, cuz like, that's personal robbers.

[Jeff T]

Going for the low.

[Grant Williams]

Right now you're really searching for like Shador Shador signs in this product. So if you get a Shador hookah

[Jeff T]

tk, I got a Mark Andrew shiny do.

[Grant Williams]

Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So that's purple Mark Andrew. So like all those cars that are colored will have something.

[Bishop B]

What. What you do with the cors.

[Jeff T]

You know, he dropped that pass. They still my dog.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, the kids collect.

[Grant Williams]

Kids collect cars just for the joy boy, right? Yeah, like the base cars that have no money, no incentive. Yeah, you bring it to a card shop and be like, hey, give these out to like 10 year olds. That one.

[Bishop B]

I usually give everything out under the bridge. We got a bridge over here.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah, that bridge is wicked, man.

[Jeff T]

Yeah, he give out LRG outfits. All right.

[Grant Williams]

And on that note, we appreciate you though, bro.

[DJ Wells]

Appreciate you. Yeah, shout out to the gang for sure, man. Shout out to boost mobile family. We tapped in hard rock bet. Leave the players alone, man. We make the parlays and the crash outs, man. Don't go bother them at they work. Last but certain, not least, man, shout out to StockX. We appreciate y'.

[Jeff T]

All.

[DJ Wells]

We'll catch y' all next time. Club 520 the volume.

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