Club 520 - James Johnson on hooping with Jeff Teague at Wake, Derrick Rose, Pacers CRAZY playoff run

Summary

Club 520 Podcast — James Johnson on Hooping with Jeff Teague at Wake, Derrick Rose, Pacers CRAZY Playoff Run

Release Date: May 21, 2026
Hosts: Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, Bishop B Henn
Guest: James Johnson

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club 520 features NBA veteran James Johnson. The conversation is a nostalgic, candid, and often hilarious deep-dive into Johnson’s basketball journey—from his Wake Forest days with Jeff Teague, through wild college stories, to playing alongside Derrick Rose and making a mark as an NBA enforcer. The crew also breaks down the Indiana Pacers' recent playoff run, talks about the evolution of college basketball, NIL, Heat culture, and more. This is family catching up, but it’s also a masterclass in basketball storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Wake Forest Days — Building Bonds and Facing Adversity

[06:00-22:30]

• First Impressions at Wake Forest

  • Jeff remembers seeing James at the airport during recruiting visits, sensing they’d be tight:

    “I was like, yeah, I’m gonna go to Wake. I just knew, like, that gonna be my partner.” (06:12, Jeff)

  • James chose Wake because he saw immediate playing time:

    “I went on my visit, and them niggas was weak...I’m gonna play here right away.” (06:51, James Johnson)

• Dealing with Tragedy: The Loss of Coach Prosser

  • The players joined campus only to lose their head coach suddenly:

    "That was one of the most overwhelming... after that happened, I’m like, there’s nothing else really that can go on that can phase us." (08:01, James)

  • Transfers were an option, but loyalty—and the bond between the players—prevailed.

• College Shenanigans & Unlikely Class Stories

  • Famed for a team full of characters and wild moments (fights, campus events, wild football teams).
  • Jeff and James together in unexpected classes:

    "People thought I was capping... I wanted you to tell because he was in my class—mime class." (29:05, Jeff)

• The Rise to National Prominence

  • Wake's rapid rise from no-hopers to #1 in the country. Jeff’s leadership gave the team swagger:

    "Jeff made us feel untouchable. For real. No bullshit." (16:51, James)

  • Hard-nosed practices and mutual respect sharpened them:

    "We all was assholes in our own right...They made me a better player." (17:52, Jeff)

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2. The NBA Dream and Draft Experience

[32:27-37:20]

• Decision to Leave for the NBA

  • The bond stayed tight:

    “We came to Wake Forest together. We left together.” (34:34, James)

  • Hilarious story about James leaving campus abruptly post-NCAA run, leaving keys and shoes for teammates.

• Draft Workouts & The Brotherhood

  • The grind of pre-draft workouts—repeat trips to franchises like Phoenix and Toronto.

    “I did like 10, 11 workouts. Some I repeated… I ain’t go to Toronto. That was hard as shit.” (34:55, James)

  • The pride of both getting drafted in the first round, calling each other after their names were called.

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3. Rookie Lessons, Derrick Rose & NBA Realities

[41:22-56:04]

• Rookie Year Challenges

  • Vinny Del Negro and limited playing time in Chicago.

    "First 30, 40 games, I don’t even play...I got great vets, too, like Brad Miller, Kurt Heinrich, obviously Derrick [Rose]." (42:42, James)

  • Derrick Rose’s leadership and humility already present:

    “Derrick always was keeping me humble...Even that young, he was kicking knowledge.” (43:03, James)

• Young & Wild Off the Court

  • The struggle of being young, getting NBA money, and the pitfalls of nightlife:

    “I was the opposite. I’m going to them spots for free… And that shit was really the start of a bad side of the league where you don’t want to be in.” (43:35, James)

  • Honest look at how young careers nearly go off track, helped back by veterans and the grind.

• NBA Journeyman: Finding Identity

  • Traded to Toronto, then memorable stints in Atlanta, Memphis, and Miami.
  • The power of second chances and being embraced in Memphis:

    “They weren’t judging me… It was more like, how bad can this be, man? We got Zach Randolph and Tony Allen...” (55:33, James)

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4. The Heat Culture & The Power of the Locker Room

[56:13-61:41]

• Miami Heat—A Different Standard

  • Immediate respect for Udonis Haslem’s leadership:

    “He wouldn’t let you settle over there… He helped y’all out the club for real.” (56:23, James)

  • Miami’s commitment to 'best player plays,' not the highest-paid:

    "If you're the best player out here, you gonna play." (57:48, James)

• Physical Standards and Accountability

  • Intense body fat and fitness requirements, fines for missing weight targets.

    “When you got there, though, they’re fining you, you’re losing bread. Because you’re eating.” (60:35, James)

  • James reflects on how the Heat push players beyond what they thought they could do.

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5. Epic Pacers Playoff Run & Indiana’s Basketball Culture

[66:57-73:33]

• Pacers 2020s Playoff Run

  • Joining the Pacers as a veteran and mentor.
  • Insiders’ view on Tyrese Haliburton’s injury and team spirit:

    “His run and his story, bro, I feel like if it wasn’t winning it, that was the only other way. There were only two outcomes. He was gonna win a chip, or that was gonna happen.” (67:43, James)

  • The run brought the city together like never before.

• The Locker Room That Bonds the City

  • Authenticity and unity behind one of the most energetic playoff atmospheres:

    “Hoods in my town… was celebrating. All together, bro." (72:09, Bishop)

  • The city’s pride was on full display—digging into what it meant for Indianapolis and Indiana.

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6. Modern NBA, NIL, and Competition

[20:43-22:30; 74:01-76:39]

• Name, Image, Likeness (NIL) Era

  • Reflections on how much money college stars could’ve earned—and how things have evolved for players.

    “His sophomore year, he probably getting $7 million, bro.” (20:48, Jeff) “These kids nowadays… They’re light years ahead of us at that age.” (21:23, James)

• Wemby, Training Science, and New NBA Generations

  • Hype about Victor Wembanyama, scientific training, and new-age athlete development.

    “Wemby was with the monks in the summer, bro. He said, I'm locked in.” (74:49, Bishop)

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7. Competitive Spirit, Martial Arts, and Wild Practice Stories

[75:05-82:44]

• James’ Martial Arts Background

  • He and his family’s upbringing in kickboxing, confidence, and discipline.

    “Growing up, training, fighting, always allowed me to be myself and hold my head high everywhere I go.” (75:45, James)

• Ultra-Competitive Nature

  • Both James and Jeff recall practice battles that almost turned physical:

    “You should have seen us, bro. We used to argue about everything…” (76:39, Jeff) “After practice, see me.” (78:01, James)

  • Legendary stories of team punishment runs, miles run backward, and resulting camaraderie—told with unfiltered, comic honesty.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On Loyalty and Tragedy (Wake Forest Era)

• “After that happened (losing Coach Prosser), there’s nothing else really that can go on that can phase us.”
  — James Johnson (08:01)

On College Swagger

• "Jeff made us feel untouchable. For real. No bullshit."
  — James Johnson (16:51)

On the Draft Grind

• “I did like 10, 11 workouts. Some I repeated… I ain’t go to Toronto. That was hard as shit.”
  — James Johnson (34:55)

Life in Miami

• “He wouldn’t let you settle over there… He helped y’all out the club for real.”
  — James Johnson on Udonis Haslem (56:23)

Heat Culture Standard

• “They hold you to a standard you didn’t even know you was capable of.”
  — James Johnson (60:51)

On the Pacers’ Playoff Run

• “His run and his story, bro, if it wasn’t winning, that was the only other way. There were only two outcomes.”
  — James Johnson (67:43)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00-02:48: Ads, intro, playful banter.
• 06:00-22:30: Deep dive into Wake Forest days (first meetings, adversity, college stories).
• 16:51, 17:52: Jeff’s impact on team confidence.
• 20:43-22:30: NIL, money in college basketball, “7 million” conversation.
• 32:27-37:20: Going pro, the draft process, how they found out they were going to the league.
• 41:22-56:04: James’ early NBA days—Derrick Rose, rookie struggles, off-court life.
• 56:13-61:41: Miami Heat, team standards, Udonis Haslem’s impact.
• 66:57-73:33: Pacers playoff run, city pride, team vibe, Tyrese Haliburton injury.
• 74:01-76:39: Modern NBA, Wemby, competition, martial arts family background.
• 76:39-82:44: Competitive stories, practice fights, “see me after practice,” and crazy runs.

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Memorable Moments

• Mime class and hip hop dance class stories—revealing the lighter side of college athlete life.
• James leaving his keys, shoes, and room open when he left Wake for the NBA.
• Body fat fines in Miami and the intensity of "Heat culture."
• Team bonding that transcended basketball, bringing together an entire city during the Pacers’ playoff run.
• Heated, almost-physical practice battles between James and Jeff—showing just how real the competitive fire runs.

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Podcast Tone

The episode is equal parts heartfelt, hilarious, and real. It’s heavy on inside stories, authentic banter, and the chemistry that only comes from people who’ve actually been through it together. James Johnson and Jeff Teague’s humility, competitive drive, and love for the game—and each other—shine throughout.

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If you love basketball, behind-the-scenes stories, and unfiltered truth, this episode is for you.

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[A]

I'm your host.

[B]

My name is DJ. Well, it's brought to you by Boost Mobile. You know the vibes, man. $25 unlimited, nationwide. Tap in with the family. James. I know we around the same age group. You had a Boost Mobile trap on back in the day, bro.

[C]

No, you know, I definitely had a Boost Mobile. Definitely had a Boost Mobile.

[B]

Come on, man. Legendary. Hit me on my next tail, Chirp. You know the vibes, man. Tap in with the family. Shout out to Hard Rock. Bet my dog be hen. How you would, man? Playoff time with the ladies looking like, man.

[F]

It's been wicked.

[B]

I got.

[F]

I gotta call Adam Silver, but we. We hanging on, man.

[C]

For sure.

[B]

You gotta call the commissioner.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, I know I'm gonna get a call about our real. I didn't know y' all clipped that. I said, adam, you gotta get this together. You going on now.

[B]

When I said the patients got cheated at five, everybody said, well, I'm calling the commissioner. You miss one leg of the lane, you going straight to the top, man.

[F]

Yes, man. Well, we'll talk.

[E]

We.

[A]

We.

[F]

We gonna talk. Cool. We'll get into it, man. I don't want to get turned up too early, bro.

[B]

Obviously, it'll leak a long time. You have anybody hit your line about the parlay? They like, dam you sold on me today, man.

[C]

Nah, not me. Yeah, if you listening. Not me.

[B]

Discernment the right way, man. Shout out to Hard Rock, man. For sure. Last we started the least, man. Shout out family over there at StockX, man. We got family in the building. This ain't a guest. We got family as usual. Introducing Blast man to my far left. We got my dog Bishop B here, not the priest. How you.

[C]

What?

[A]

Nasty?

[F]

What's happening, Nasty? I'm excited about this one. This one he a real one, bro. Like this lifted the building off my car forever.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Hey, listen, we here naked. Yes.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

It's a real one, man. He.

[B]

Yeah, man, listen, before you get through intro, we gotta. It's only right we do the story time, man. Listen, man, the first time we had this episode playing, it was one of the craziest storms we have ever had in this city. Shout out to the old building, man. It definitely fell on everybody. Car, man. Bro pulled up in the new truck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Grabbed that bitch Straight into the wall for everybody. Pull that car out.

[F]

It's raining outside. Rain. I'm like, this. This James Wide ey. The building. Like, this is a true story, y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

I ain't get to see it evergr for you, boy.

[F]

My car would have been way worse if it was for you, bro.

[B]

Now, you know what's crazy about that?

[A]

The building give us no insurance claim. Oh, God. They.

[F]

We had to get it off the roof.

[A]

Y' all parked in the wrong spot, nigga. A whole building fell off.

[F]

That's true story.

[C]

There's a spot where your can get trampled.

[B]

Hey, man, you know everything doing good, man. Cause everybody got new cars up there, man. God is good for sure, man. Still to my right, my dog, Young Nacho. Young T. How you what?

[A]

Good, bro. We got family in the building, my brother. Yeah, I can't wait. This is the episode everybody been waiting on. Everybody talking about it's finally happened. It's about to be a goodie.

[B]

Come on, man. The real work for us, man. We got a 16 year event, man. Pacers legend. Our family in the building, man. Mr. James Johnson, man. Big Dog, we appreciate you once again, brother.

[C]

I'm honored to be here, man. Word for sure, bro. Fellas is legendary to me.

[B]

Come on, man. We had to do it for sure, man. Now, Tig, man, just tell us how y' all linked up, man. Obviously, I go way back.

[A]

Oh, we go way back. But I'll tell you, the first time I seen James, he was walking through the airport. I was leaving my Wake Forest visit. He was coming onto his Wake Forest visit, and they was picking him up, dropping me off, and I'm like. He walking by, I was like, this. He was like, what up? And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna go to wake. I just knew, like, that gonna be my partner. Like, he was like, what up? And then they told me James just committed, man. We gonna have James. I'm like, the dude I seen the airport, right? He's like, yeah. I was like, coach Battle was like, he cold, man. He cold. And I was like, he cold. He was like, he ain't gonna be with us very long. I was like, damn, what you mean by that? He was like, yeah, he gonna go to the NBA. I was like, damn. It was right.

[C]

It was shout out. Coach Battles, man. He was right about a lot of things.

[A]

Coach B.

[F]

What made you choose Wake? Like, what made you commit?

[C]

I went on my visit, and them niggas was weak. And I was like, Can I tell the truth? It was Weak. And I said, oh, no, I'm gonna play here right away. Okay. That's just the realness of right away. This before, you know what I mean? I ain't know him like that. Now. I know Ish. Ld Even Cam before he left, you know what I mean? It was definitely a business decision.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

More than. More than anything else. Shout out Pat Kelsey as well. You know, making. Turning Louisville around, too. But, yes, sir, he came around. Made sure that Wake Forest was a top priority for me, too, as well. So. Hell of a scout. Hell of a coach.

[F]

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[A]

Coach Kelsey. Cool, dude, man, come on, man.

[B]

Getting the ville back, right? For sure. Y' all had a crazy introduction to college, though, for both of y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

Obviously. What happened RP To Coach Processor. But what was that like, you know what I'm saying? Linking up, getting on campus and then dealing with that before you even get into school or school even start. For real.

[C]

You know, that was. That was one of the. The most, like, overwhelming I thought, I think, that college ever was at that time. For real. Like, after that happened, I'm like, there's nothing else really that can go on that can, like, phase us.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So even. Even. Even that alone was, like, playing pressure free. Cause we knew, like, deep down, our loyalty. Yeah. I mean, we deserve this for our loyalty. Anybody. You could have just left.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? With no penalty, the portal and all this, they. They got going on now, it's like, you leave now, it's good money. But you.

[A]

You.

[C]

You leave back, then you setting out here for sure. You know what I'm saying? But that wasn't the case for us. Like, we got to go to choose any school we wanted to, and with no penalties of trading schools or whatever. So I think it was our loyalty. And like I said, after something like that happened, I don't think nothing really can shake you in college. Oh, that's right.

[A]

Yeah. I remember the day you remember he took us to McDonald's. That nigga drunk out my shake. No disrespect, RP. He drunk out my shake. I was sitting in the front. He was like, my point guard gotta

[B]

be in the front.

[A]

You know what I mean? So JJ and G was in the back, and he drunk out my shake. And I remember, I was like, man, he drunk my shake. And JJ was like, that's his shake now. No bullshit. After that, he passed away, I was like, I don't want no more shakes.

[F]

Like, that's crazy, bro.

[A]

Like, no, for real.

[C]

Nah, Nah.

[F]

And not just speaking like, how long after y'. All like, oh, shit. He didn't.

[A]

We had went to. He dropped us off. We went up to study tables. Yep. He went to his office and they was like, he was running on a track. We was. Been there for an hour. They came and got us.

[F]

Damn, bro. Y' all never considered transferring?

[A]

I did. Cause I only knew Coach Battle.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And Coach Prosser. I never met Coach Kelson now. And I'm like, shit, who gonna be the coach? And they like, coach Gadio. I'm like, who's this nigga?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And there was vultures out there as soon as it happened. Like, I'm getting text messages from other coaches like, yo, yo, come here. You can come to our school. You'll play this. I'm like, damn.

[F]

I ain't even checking.

[A]

All y' all mental or nothing.

[C]

Like, nigga tell y' all to pull up assets.

[F]

For sure.

[A]

But I was. I ain't no Coach Gaddo at all. But we all thugged it up.

[C]

Yeah. Me, I was with Pat Kelsey the whole time. Like, did everything, man. I didn't know. I didn't know Gadio was next up.

[A]

I remember they just had us at Coach P. House for like, five hours. It didn't tell us nothing.

[C]

You remember, right?

[A]

They were just down there eating pizza, Krispy Kreme, all type of shit. And I'm a kid at the time. 18. Yeah. Like, damn, this cool. Like, they ain't telling us nothing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so we just think we having a good ass time at Coach P. House. And they finally told us, like, damn, that's nuts, bro.

[B]

Man, that's crazy to start your college career off like that. Before I even get into, like, real campus life and like that.

[A]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[B]

Damn.

[F]

Y' all with the new coach at first.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It was always cool with me.

[A]

He with him. Oh, that was a game. Yeah. Get along, gang.

[F]

Nah, I know this Will.

[A]

Once he gets to do with this. It was like, nah, I ain't that. I ain't fuck with Gaddy, y'.

[C]

All. Nah, but he was. He was so good, though. Jeff was so good. Like, it was undeniably, like, you supposed to be starting no knock on nobody. Like, they know how we feel. It's all love. Yeah. But nah, Jeff was always, always better than everybody. For real. Like, he do moves. What they used to call you by any means necessary. They used to call this by any means necessary.

[A]

Holding off the court.

[D]

Nah.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know Jeff like that.

[A]

Nah.

[C]

But nah, he Used to get a bucket anyway on five on one, you know what I mean? So it was like people looked up to Jeff, but Jeff was always silent. Like, you had to really know Jeff. I think the person who got the best Jeff for real is Gary Clark, his roommate. Another fellow fresh shout out to D. Playing like. Him and G, like, shared a different bond, but me and him, we shared the. We the best player on the team bond. And this is how we carrying it this year. Like,

[A]

it was like crazy.

[C]

It was like me and him pushed each other in that sense. And then we upstairs, late night playing one on one in the gym. Only ones in there. We'd be in there Saturdays, Fridays till three in the morning, two in the morning, playing once, you know what I mean? So it was always mutual. But like I said, LD Williams was great for us. Ishmith, obviously an NBA legend as well. In my heart, yeah. Changed the game. Word.

[A]

Yeah. Facts.

[C]

With his speed and all that. He's a student of the game, all that chase. Al Farouk, obviously. Al Farouk came in. When Al Farouq came in, there was no longer two best players. Came in that. Now we had three. Best player.

[A]

That's a fact.

[C]

We, we, we was dipping. We carried a different bond, too. Like, I remember, Alru came on his visit. He came on his visit, and I was what they call chaperon. I want to call it chaperon.

[A]

He was a guy, too.

[C]

His guide or whatever, man. He. He probably didn't understand Wake Forest was giving it up like that at the time. But right when he got there, I think he saw a football, football fight. Two girls fighting the hallway, wallet all out. I mean, I ain't gonna say who picked that up. Oh, you got it back. I, I. For real. That was crazy.

[A]

It was.

[C]

He not ready to go. I. He was like, yo, I'm coming to wait.

[A]

We knew he was coming away. You remember when white dude Ryan Kelly came though, and we had all them fights?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

He ended up going to. We had like, 10 fights, bro. He ended up going to Duke, though. We started the shit out of him. Yeah, Ryan Kelly, he scared the shit out of him.

[C]

But it wasn't us. It was Wake Forest.

[F]

Like, never said that about wake.

[A]

Yeah, now y' all turn.

[B]

Wake up.

[A]

What happened?

[F]

No, Wake was. Y' all was in that.

[C]

It wasn't just basketball.

[A]

Yeah, football niggas.

[C]

What? All from Florida.

[F]

You hear me?

[C]

All from Florida. Them my niggas. They was wilding up.

[F]

Talk about all the fights.

[A]

It was hella fights. It was hella fight. We was just talking about what Downstairs, but I ain't. It was hella fights.

[C]

Yeah, it was fights. Mutual respect.

[F]

And how was y' all relationship with the football team? Niggas was cool.

[C]

I mean, me and Jeff was.

[A]

I mean, we could tell story first, because he made us cool with the football team. Yeah, it was because they kept calling me Mike Conley when I first got there.

[B]

Oh, Lord.

[A]

And I was like, yo, stop calling me my timely bro. Like, I don't like that. And me and JJ and G, we was all just starting to get cool. Like, we just started to figure each other out. And he. Dude called me Mike Conley again, and I got shitty. And JJ Was like, hey, my. If you call me Mike Conley again, I'm gonna beat your ass. And football was like, what? And then LD Was like, nah, he'll beat your ass. He was like, yo, he beat your ass. He's like, now he'll beat your ass. Dude kind of chilled out. That's how we got cool with the football players.

[F]

Okay, okay.

[C]

But then all of them turned out young and turned, but good guys, good characters. Chip Vaughn, that's my brother, Aaron Curry.

[A]

Yeah. A.C. a.C. Yeah.

[C]

Even Fonz, man, I know a lot of people going. I'm gonna get backlash on that with the basketball.

[A]

But me, Alfonso Smith, he was cool, though. He was cool.

[C]

Great, human.

[A]

Yeah,

[B]

Man. Obviously, y' all freshman year, y' all get in there, you know what I'm saying? Y' all get active, y' all have a little bit of success. But let's talk about going into that second year where it got real, when y' all was nasty. What was that feel like? Man, shit.

[C]

Jeff made us feel untouchable. For real. No, no bullshit. And I mean, like, keep it a bean. Like, we. We went to Cali. I think we went to California, right? That 76 classic or family Anaheim Classic or whatever. Yeah, Jeff went crazy. Yo, one of the dudes we watching my film, this nigga jumping out the gym. What do you play for? Fullerton?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, Fullerton.

[C]

I forget the brother's name, but something was bouncy. So Jeff get a steal. I think you get a steal or something. Or a rebound. He take off. Jeff take off on, bro. Punch him. I think after that, everybody knew he was going to win that tournament. There was mad teams there, too. But like I said, Jeff led the way with that. And our sophomore year, he was a killer, man. All them accolades, everything. That shit was well deserved, especially, like, our team, you know what I mean? We were Stacked.

[F]

Y' all start off number one.

[A]

Nah, we start off like 25.

[E]

Damn.

[A]

We got to one, though. That's because of them, though. They was. They was special, bro. Like, our practices, we all was assholes in our own right, right? We all was like assholes. Like, one thing about jj, he always practiced hard. Yeah, it was. Give me a day or two, I might, you know, it was.

[C]

Son used to always tell me, there's no practice all day. You can't be a practice all American, J.

[A]

He always practiced hard, and he rose the level of practice every day.

[B]

But he.

[A]

You see his energy. He always talking. He always was like, the vibes. And our freshman year, he was like that. So now I know him as a sophomore. So they always just rose. Like, they made me better player. They did that. Like, I knew they was going to the NBA. Like, he came back. He was supposed to go his freshman year. He did me a favor, you know what I mean? I begged it. Pause, but I begged this nigga not to leave. I'm like, yo, I'm a first round pick.

[C]

I'm like, yeah, but we gonna win this, Chip.

[A]

Yeah. I was like, yeah, you gotta come back, bro. We gonna be good. I was like, we getting Farooq you and Farooq me. We gonna be nasty. Like, I can't do it, bro. Then he called me, like, I'm gonna come back. I'm like, for real? Like, you did.

[B]

I'm like, shit, if your mommy asking, what was that? What was that decision making process for you? Like, obviously you could have went to the league. That's before Nil. What made you come back?

[C]

You know, when you young, you're naive. You know what I mean? Like, I was naive to the fact that, like, we really win this moment. Like, I always been that way. Like, anything with anything. Like, I. I really believe we could have won that motherfucker. And that's why I came back, yo. Like, it was about that, like, and winning with my brothers too. Like, the fellow fresh was something fierce. That. That's what Jeff, Gary, myself. That's what we. That's what we called each other, whatever. But, man, we was fierce, yo. Like, yeah, I had a sport. And we thought. And we thought Gary was gonna play more. He had a burner.

[A]

He had a burner. Burner.

[C]

Gary had a burner. Like, he's one of them dudes that, like I said, if Jeff and I was playing one's on one side of the court, he on the other side of the court with. With the chair going around the Chair getting looks up. I'm like, damn, this nigga dedicated.

[F]

Why didn't he play, though? What was the issue with him?

[B]

Politics.

[A]

I don't know. He just never.

[C]

I think they liked Harvey hell better, honestly. And he was older. Yeah, but Harvey Howell shouldn't have been playing over that.

[F]

With that being said,

[C]

Respectfully, I think that's what he supposed to say.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Let's just say respect.

[B]

How y' all seen it would have been if it was nil era. Wow. Cause y' all all would have been. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

His sophomore year, he probably.

[B]

I'm like, weight's been insane.

[A]

He probably getting $7 million, bro.

[C]

Nah, after. Yo, I probably would have been in trouble summertime going to my sophomore year.

[A]

What? Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I mean, that. Like, these kids nowadays, they got. They learn about this. You know what I mean? Like, we didn't learn about that coming up or even. Or even while we was there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, now they're getting this so poor so. So, so fast that they're prepared. Their parents are preparing for it. They got managers preparing them for it.

[F]

So, yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? Shout out to them. Obviously, they should be getting this bread, but. But they're more prepared. I think they're far more advanced than what we were in social media.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

This era, they're light years ahead of us at that age. You know what I mean?

[A]

Nah, facts.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They getting paid in high school now. By the time they get to college, they damn a millionaire.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[C]

Damn near.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'll be able to mod.

[C]

Yeah. Nah, but rightfully so.

[A]

You would have definitely got 7 million, though.

[F]

Y' all would have had to have UK payroll, bro.

[A]

We probably. I'm be honest. He probably wouldn't have been at Wake Forest.

[C]

Nah. Cause Wake Forest pays you with education.

[A]

Yeah, he probably. He probably paying people.

[C]

Yeah. To go there and get that education.

[F]

But they ain't got Charles. It's coming shots on there. But I think y' all would been like. At that time. And if they got like this knowledge now, y' all niggas would have been gazillionaires, bro.

[A]

They wouldn't have been able to keep them, bro. How you gonna.

[F]

Ain't no James Johnson, ain't no Jeff T. Ain't no Al Farouk walking through.

[A]

I know James Johnson. Byu or.

[C]

I tell you, though. Rookie contract would have been different.

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[C]

yeah niggas like looking at the nil like well no your rookie deal would have been different. That's why you would have been straight to coming out facts.

[A]

You the number two three pick. They getting 60? Yeah they get way more.

[B]

A little bit different than it was before.

[C]

I did eight years. Yeah eight hard years

[A]

for 60. Oh God. Oh God.

[F]

I cross so niggas can run but I don't know. I think they would have made that shake bro. Yeah but every School in Carolina would have pulled together.

[A]

Kick.

[F]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

Yeah, they like, hey, yeah, brother. North Carolina like, brother, we got six mil. Go ahead, change that jersey for us.

[C]

Boys would have left, but that back of my jersey.

[B]

Not the hard call too much, man. But I want to talk about y' all sophomore year, man. Legendary runs. Like, what was that like? We always talk to Jeff about what was it like that day that y' all beat North Carolina, man, Because that was a crazy game, man.

[C]

That was standard, for real. Like, I felt like we was the better team. And I mean, I don't believe better coach, but we was a better team.

[A]

Facts.

[E]

That was.

[C]

It was like, even when we beat Duke, Jeff didn't want nobody running on the court. Like, he felt like. I felt like that shit was normal. Like, you know what I mean? We were supposed to do that.

[F]

Yeah, Lou. Random court.

[A]

That was our freshman year, though. Our freshman year. We wasn't supposed to beat. Dude. Yeah. No, not the first year.

[C]

No.

[A]

The second year. Second year, we like, what y' all running on the court for? Like, that was offensive facts.

[F]

What was the harder team to play?

[C]

We was number one in the country.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a fact.

[F]

Was Carolina harder than Duke at that time?

[C]

Carolina was nice, I think. Had to go to Duke. Like, all the Duke spook or whatever they saying with the. The next. That. I don't think that's. That should bother you.

[A]

Nah. They was beating our ass there, though.

[C]

Yeah. Damn it.

[A]

We should still groove like, 30. We came back, though. But we was getting from 30. Yeah, it got rocking in that motherfucker. I don't remember. We started. We came back, but it was rock.

[C]

Too late.

[A]

Yeah, it was just too late. We came back.

[B]

Shout out to Cameron and door Boy,

[A]

Man, I want to talk to you about school. Like, being at school before we get out of the college part. Like, I told a story one here one day about us going to mime class. People thought I was cabin, and I wanted you to tell because he was in my class.

[B]

They put James in the Rico.

[A]

I ain't know this is the true story. He was in my class.

[C]

Yo, so you had it. You had to put a mask on, and then you become the character, you know what I'm saying? So, like, you, like, lose yourself to this world or whatever. And we had to do mime. Like, miming. I don't know what they call it. Miming?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Mime sound about right.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yo, in the chat.

[A]

I don't care.

[C]

Anyway, long story short, my man's. It was His. It was his turn to go up or whatever class. Yeah, my man. It was his turn to go up. So he get up there, and I'm telling you what, that he was killing this. Said ran to the wall, hurt his nose. He had. Believe him the little step thing, like, you know what I mean? He was on me. He was on the line.

[A]

We was getting that easy credit.

[C]

And then you know how they forget about it.

[B]

And then he walked back.

[C]

Oh, yo, like, lose himself, like, you know Jeff to himself. Yeah, yeah. Too cool is a great one, too. Nah, boy. He's always to himself. Watch him get out of himself to do that, man. I was in that joint like it was nothing.

[A]

But you're getting. We had hip hop dance class together.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Hip hop was funny. Yes.

[A]

We learned more and more about. Wait for.

[C]

Was early as hell.

[A]

Seven in the morning.

[C]

Hip hop was crazy. The routine was crazy.

[F]

Oh, man, that is hilarious, bro.

[B]

Hey, man, I know y' all was. Jabberwockey's underground. That is hilarious. Shout out, man. They made it right there.

[A]

Oh, yeah, we qu today.

[C]

Hey, I'm not as good as that.

[B]

All right, man, we need some drinks

[A]

before we keep going, man.

[B]

Barbie, where you at? Where you at?

[A]

Shout out to Barbie.

[B]

What up, B? How you living? What's happening? What we got today?

[C]

Enforcer.

[B]

The enforcer.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[B]

It's the 520 somewhere cups.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Shout out to the merch for sure. Salute, man. Yeah, man. Y', all. Y' all wake. I told you all the time. Y' all wake. Team needed 30 for 30, bro. Especially all the, like, the success all y' all had. Like, you talking about. Y' all talking about ish. Talking about Al Faru. All y' all went to the league, man. What was that moment like for y'? All? Was like, all right, we up out of here. Did y' all know, like, collectively, or did y' all just find out?

[A]

I let him tell him. You first. His was funny.

[C]

As soon as that fourth quarter, that second half, that bell ring, Say, on Friday, What?

[A]

That was leaderhood, bruh. I woke up the next morning, bruh, me and Gary Gary, like, man, we got. We talking about class. And I'm like, man, damn. Everybody, like, where's James?

[F]

I'm like,

[A]

calling J.J. where you at? He said, I'm in Cali, brother. You can have all the.

[B]

In my room. Huh?

[A]

He's like, yeah, I left the keys in the drawer on my truck. Good luck to you, boy. I said, damn, I would have got that truck.

[C]

I was about to get that truck one more time, Jay. Oh, yeah. We're gonna win it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Keep everything.

[A]

I swear to God, bro. He said, tell Faruk, man, they can have them shoes and a bunch of Jordans in there. Oh, I hit for Ruke. Like, they just say, go to his room. He just got the door open the door. Room just wide open. Damn, they in there grabbing all the Js. And I'm like, damn.

[F]

You was the one considering coming back?

[A]

Yeah, I was thinking about coming back. Cause I didn't know, like, they was first round picks. They was guaranteed. I wasn't at first. Then he was gone already. I had that call with the coach and stuff, and he fucked up. Let me hear that. He's like, yeah, they all gonna get picked in the first round. I said, yep, yeah, I'm going.

[C]

I was hyped. When my boy told me he was coming, I was like, all right, pause that. Pause and repeat. Let me try again. No, I was hyping. I got that phone call. He was going to go to the league with me and all that, so. And we did it. I always love telling that story. Like, we came to Wake Forest together. We left together.

[B]

Hell yeah, man. Made it happen for sure, man. Had campus rocking. What was that like for you, man? That process of getting drafted. And actually, you know what I'm saying, being an official NBA player, man, walking

[C]

across that stage, yo, that was hard as hell. I'm talking about. I think I had like 10, 11 workouts. Some I repeated like, I went back to the same team twice.

[B]

Who you work out?

[C]

Those workouts was tough. Phoenix and Toronto.

[A]

Oh, I heard that Toronto workout, brutal, too.

[C]

Nasty work.

[A]

I heard it was brutal, man.

[C]

I'm talking about back and forth layups. Right hand, left hand.

[F]

Damn.

[A]

Heard it's like a drill. Crazy drill that you do. Damn.

[B]

Full court layups. Yeah, that shit sound as shit.

[C]

End of the story. I ain't go to Toronto. That was hard as shit to get in that. Anyway.

[F]

I was like, man, where you had your best workout?

[C]

Nah, I love Toronto.

[F]

Where'd you have your best workout? As you feel during that. Damn, I could probably come here.

[C]

I had a couple.

[F]

I. Charlotte.

[C]

I thought I did. I thought I did well in Charlotte.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Thought I was going to Charlotte for sure. Coach Ron, Yeah, he was doing more teaching. That's why I loved his. His whole workout was. He was teaching us. He wasn't even. It wasn't even about the athleticism or the talent, for real. He wanted to see if you could pay attention and lock in with that kind of. You know what I mean? I thought I was going there. I. I didn't have to show too much, but, yeah, I ended up going to the Bulls, and that show was a blessing. 16 pick. I take it every time, being a

[B]

Bulls, we got to talk about. Y' all got one of the best draft class of all time, especially top to bottom. Look at all the hall of Famers, all the success.

[A]

There's a lot of people.

[B]

Yeah, I was part of legendary class. Boys still getting to it, man.

[A]

I remember when you got drafted, I called you. I was like, he got drafted. I was still waiting. I called him, I was like, damn, you got drafted 16? I'm hyped. Fuck. He was like, you up next. You know, you got no judge. We about to get hyped when they call your name. Because I was going to Philly and they said, drew Holiday. He was like, damn. He like, d. Don't worry about that. Don't you probably you about your time coming, man, I'mma call you when they call your name. I was like, oh, I got nervous as. Then they called me my name at 19. He called me back like, I told you, we in this.

[C]

I'm like, that was.

[A]

I just thought we about go back to back. It's about to be tough.

[C]

He said, damn, N. I already knew it, though. Yeah. N. That season, that sophomore season was. That shit was an epic run for you, bro.

[A]

Nah, I mean, appreciate it, man.

[B]

Yeah, man. Y' all was really hooping for it. I know we ain't gonna harp on it too much, but y' all was really, like, whooping shit. Like, the way that y' all was doing it, bro, it felt like. Like a real nigga AAU team. That's why everybody was rocking with y'.

[E]

All.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. That's what BYU trying to say.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, shit.

[C]

They put that shit on wax, too. It was on the papers. They were like, yo, there's nothing but. And one playing one team that don't got no stability.

[F]

Wow.

[C]

While we was putting the belt on them, the fan section, everybody throwing. Yeah. They had to stop the game and all that. Like, wow. Their coach. Their coach came out like, yo, let the boys play.

[A]

Hey, I ain't never went to a gym. It was all white people with white shirts on.

[F]

Oh, that look crazy in there.

[C]

That's a fact.

[B]

Yeah, we were like.

[A]

We walked in there, we all was just looking like.

[C]

That was different.

[F]

Did he play. Did he play good against y'? All?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No one. But before that, I ain't never seen no one do like a T shirt day.

[A]

Yeah. In college they had all T shirts on. It was crazy. He played good, though. He probably had like 25. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He was valid that night.

[A]

Damn.

[F]

But was that y' all most hostile environment, though?

[B]

It's a hard cover, I was gonna say. Yeah. BYU ain't have nothing for y' all at all.

[A]

That wasn't the environment. The worst for me was probably was NC State, NC State.

[C]

That was crazy.

[A]

That was crazy.

[F]

What they had post you or something?

[C]

Hey, J.J. hicks, that's what.

[F]

Nasty, man.

[A]

But N State, they was ruthless, bro.

[B]

Damn. ACC was murderous.

[C]

Rono, for real.

[B]

For real. If you look at that time period, bro, you had all the heavy hitters out there.

[A]

Yeah, Maryland was bad, too.

[B]

Greaves, Vasquez, for sure.

[C]

Maryland was a good one.

[A]

They fans was crazy, too.

[C]

Grevious went crazy.

[A]

What it was like, man, when some

[C]

of your best dunk. You did one of your best.

[F]

That's what I'm about to say. That's pretty shit off.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I'mma tell y' all about a game while we in college. I remember my boy. We. You remember. You punched on Trevor Booker, right?

[F]

T Book. I thought you Booker.

[A]

Hey, bro, team was crazy. It was a wild team, bro. I love this nigga, man. He crazy.

[F]

T Book went to Clemson.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That is crazy. We had one of the coolest teams, man. Yeah, one of the coolest teams. Remember that? Trevor Booker. I did

[C]

Clemson and for Brooklyn, too.

[A]

You play well for Brooklyn now. You was killing that game, though, bro.

[B]

You had 30, had 15 re. Oh, yeah. Y was out there.

[A]

Had 15 boards. Yeah, I was out there. Yeah. I'm shooting all the shot to get the rebound.

[B]

You had four assists to team high.

[A]

Yeah,

[F]

you was efficient.

[A]

What was I.

[F]

That's efficient.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, you was cooking.

[F]

That started within the system.

[B]

That's jimber23, though. Boy, that's tough on three times. What y' all was getting to it, man. What's your rookie year like, man? In Chicago?

[C]

How many points I had that game?

[A]

You got 15 rebounds, pogging. You was getting on that glass especially.

[C]

Especially off the roof. What you saw that a give you a Migraine?

[A]

You had 22.

[C]

You only two or about to stay at home.

[A]

Yeah, I don't want get looked up.

[C]

I had to double check on my own self. Copy.

[A]

You had 22 and 15. That's a monster game. Y was kind of nice.

[B]

N. Y was chasing before all. Yeah, y' all was hooping, bro.

[F]

Y' all had a squad that nigga Farouk, man.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What was rookie like, year like? Man, you got a chance to play with one of our favorite players. I mean, everybody like Derrick Rose. And he was cold, so. I remember you talking to me about Derrick Rosen, your rookie year. You like, bruh, Cool as hell. He cold. And I was like, damn, he cold. He like. He cold, bro. He cool as fuck, though. Yeah, it was. He kept saying that, like, me, a cool nigga. And I was like, damn. For real. What was your rookie year like, bro?

[C]

Man, rookie year, I had Vinnie Del Negro, Vinny.

[A]

Oh, damn.

[C]

And I swear he ain't playing me. Cause he went to NC State. You heard me.

[F]

That's wild, bro.

[C]

That's what I felt. But it started off wicked. Like, I'm playing summer league first. Right. I feel like I'm one of the best players. Obviously, summer league and regular season, even summer league and preseason is two different levels, for sure. You know what I'm saying?

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

But even then preseason came, I felt like I was still one of the best. And, you know, every team I ever been on, I've been that nigga or one of them. That niggas.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You get what I'm saying?

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

And so I get there, I get to Chicago, and I still feel like that, you know, my confidence, I really feel like it's through the roof. I mean, my work ethic, all that. So I get there. First 30, 40 games, I don't even play.

[A]

I was right with you, brother.

[F]

At all.

[C]

I don't play. And I got great vets, too, like Brad Miller, Kurt Heinrich, obviously. Derek. Derrick always was, like, keeping me humble with it. Like, oh, bro, look where you at. You know, before. Before, Derek was the philosopher that these guys know. Like, I know them, the young. Just second year in the league, Derek.

[F]

Right.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Still was kicking knowledge, even that young. I feel like that's why Lou said what he said. Joe Kim said what he said about him, about even though he was younger, that they still listened to him, like he was older. It felt like he was older, the way he spoke. Right. So. But anyway, I'm with him. He's keeping. He's keeping me humble with it. But at the end of the day, I'm young. I got more money than I ever had in my life. Yeah. You feel me? And I'm going out.

[A]

He had that account. Yeah.

[C]

I'm going outside, like, for real. And, you know, you young, like I said, naive. So you feel like you damn near punishing them, not playing you and not. Not giving you this opportunity and all that, not knowing you sabotaging yourself and your self worth, you know what I'm saying? They say the less you seen, the more money you get paid for your appearance.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? I was the opposite. I'm going to them spots for free, you know what I'm saying? And that shit was really the start of a bad side of the league where you don't want to be in. You get what I'm saying, right? Where they start getting opinions and shit starts getting fabricated and you can't stop. It's a snowball effect. But long story short, that shit came with it. And then Lou gets hurt, Lauren gets hurt. I get my opportunity, I start playing. I'm playing well, but I'm still young and dumb, yo. You get what I'm saying? I'm still outside, I'm still wilding and I'm playing at this point. So it's like, yo, all I gotta do at this point is do everything I love to do is who? You know what I mean? Work out, go inside, repeat. You get what I'm saying?

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[F]

you were still going outside every night? Man, you got that tick, man.

[C]

I'm outside. I'm outside, okay? I'm outside every night. No, I'm getting, I'm getting real. You get what I'm saying? No funny shit. Like so. So I'm doing that while I'm. While I'm getting the minutes now that I want it. But now I'm coming back and the next day, shoot arounds, I'm smelling wild. You know what I mean? Like, you can't brush that off.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? You can't shower that off as soon as you start sweating outside. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. So I don't know this. You know what I mean? I'm not aware of this. And then, you know, the, the older guys is telling me O.J. like, you gotta stay away from coaches. You gotta do this. They doing their due diligence as far as like being great vets. Like it had nothing to do with them. I'm doing this shit to myself, you know what I'm saying? Thinking I'm hurting something that really all they do is just get another asset.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? I'm not realizing that. I'm thinking the NBA need James Johnson. No, James Johnson need the lead.

[A]

You get up, man.

[F]

100%, bro.

[C]

And so that shit right there was. It was an eye opener. Especially after your first year, you know, back in the G. Like. Like, you signed two years, two years guaranteed. And the other one's a team option. But after your first year, that's where they decide if they're gonna keep your option.

[A]

Yeah, third.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. So I'm going into the team meeting, they're like, yo, we don't wanna do this. But you work hard, you know, the normal, like, threaten, get your shit together, we want you and all that. But by that time, it was too far gone. Now Vinny Del Negro's gone. Thibodeau comes. You know what I mean? Thibodeau's coming off fresh off a championship. So he knows from defense, head coach, championship. You get what I'm saying? With Doc, like, has pedigree under him, so it's like he knows what he's talking about. This and that. Boom. First day of practice, son. Put me on the penny team back then. There is no two ways and nothing like that. Penny team is the niggas that's trying to make a team, trying to make that last spot. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I'm guaranteed at this time. So I'm like, yo, what is he. He don't know me from nothing. This is before I knew Tibbs. Like, as a man, I respect Tibbs with everything, you know what I'm saying? Like, Tibbs is a great coach and a great human to me. Like, I have no quarrel with Tibbs. But at that time, like, he's trying to raise a nigga that was already raised by something far more worse than him. You get what I'm. You get what I'm saying? My father far more worse than you. So them intimidation shits, that don't scare me. You get what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But anyway, get traded from there. Go to Toronto. I'm in Toronto. I'm in Toronto. Loving it. I'm getting a chance. My first game with Toronto was against the Bulls.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Let's start. We get that dub, you know what I mean? Coach TERRELL J. TERRELL, J.T. he was like, yeah, I love that guy. But he's the one who really gave me my first chance of like, yo, go get a bucket. Go Hoop, like, don't look at me when you make mistakes and shit. Cause you know this game will cause anxiety in niggas that, like, if you let it break you. You know what I'm saying? You let that shit break you every time you grab the ball. Like, your eyes gonna get wide. You just wanna make the right play. You don't wanna fuck up all that shit. So it's like, if you let it break you. There's psychiatrists in the building for shit like that.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

You know what I'm saying now, that's interesting you say that because they always talk about people who transition to the league. It's like, oh, he was so good in college. He had all. Why is he only doing this particular role? It's just like, dog, he doing this role because he's trying to feed his family, but he's trying to make sure he make this next contract. Yeah, he can do all that shit. He trying to do this and not mess up. Yeah. And that can just kind of limit your game.

[C]

He's trying to do that at a high level and then still mix in. Yeah, you know how it is. But that is taxing, especially on your. Your mind frame. But like I said, if you let it break you, then the psychiatrist for

[A]

like, that I fuck with the journey. Cause obviously me and you close. I knew it. And I remember when things went a little different and you came to the Hawks, right? Remember? And we was talking. You was trying out like, damn, JJ gonna be on the Hawks with me. Cause he made. He was on the team. But my nigga so competitive. He was about to make the team. So competitive. They love him. Be him talking to me like, jj, man, this is what we was missing. It's the perfect piece. But we go play baseball. And this dude, we call him good at everything. Like we call him, we say he's great at life. He does everything well. So I ain't noticed. Nigga could play baseball, right? So we playing baseball. I'm okay. Kyle Corbin's real good. All these guys. It's a pop fly ball. Boom. Outfield. Jj, Coach Bud about to get it. He loved baseball. This is primary sport. Jj. Ah, let me get that. Throw in Coach Bud Light. He can't play here.

[C]

What?

[A]

He was pit. Was he not blocked?

[C]

Nah, he was tight.

[A]

He was tight.

[F]

That is insane.

[C]

First of all, this was for out 3. I'm not sure his old ass even saw. I'm trying to win. I'm a bet on myself. I'm a kiss. You know what I mean? He should have sold the aspect on that side. I mean, the spectrums was. But, no, you wrong. But you know, you wrong.

[A]

But I remember the day. I know we. I'm fast forwarding your career because I want to talk about the Memphis part, when you went to Memphis, because you really turned up. But I remember when we played Miami, you was in Miami and you hooping. He. He running the pick and roll. 77, doing his shit. And I remember coming to the bench. You know, I was an asshole. I was like, God damn, we could have had that. And Coach Bud looked at me, he said, up, up. I up. Sorry, I up. And then he. He might have said something to you.

[C]

Yeah. Nah, Bud came up to me. Yeah.

[A]

Cause he was just like. He's like, you're such a good player. These are the players that you need. He's going to change the game. It was him and Draymond. He was like, they're like point guards that play the four position. You can put them on anybody. You can switch. And he was just giving JJ So much praise. And I. That was just like a whole.

[F]

How the NBA is, bro. And that's why I said, that's why I fuck with y'.

[C]

All.

[F]

Cause niggas wouldn't know. That's why niggas don't be in certain places. Like, I'm way better than you at baseball.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Don't make this about me being on this team.

[A]

I mean, I'm shitty, bro. He know everybody was hype.

[B]

Yeah, bro.

[C]

He got me more pig for a catching. Need to be behind the batting.

[A]

Right. He got. For real, though. Everybody in the whole. Like, the whole coaching staff was hype about him. I was hyped.

[F]

The NBA is crazy, bro.

[C]

Especially after training camp, I'm like, yo, I got my guard back playing my step again now.

[B]

Hell, yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? Yeah, bro.

[F]

So we got charged for that.

[A]

That's cool to me. It's a great thing. Cause I think you went and you went to a place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really find your. Your skill set and show that you. What you do really well. Yeah. He went to Miami. Turned up. Yeah.

[C]

But now after Atlanta, I went to Memphis.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's what. And I really turned up for a little.

[A]

Yeah, you put on a show in Memphis.

[C]

I was having a ball in Memphis.

[B]

Yeah. And they let you cook. They let you play a brand of basketball.

[C]

Right, Right.

[A]

Some of them highlights, bro. It's crazy.

[F]

How was that going there, though? They embrace you right away.

[C]

Yeah, most definitely. Like I said, like, you can carry baggage with you, right? It's good. All of mine was pretty much bad. It was like, you know what I mean? I'm at the end of my end. I just went to Atlanta, tried out for a team, got cut, you hear me? So like I'm in the G League playing and then Memphis 10 Day. But when I went there, it was like more like they wasn't judging me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? It was more like, you know, how bad can this be, man? We got Zach Randolph and Tony Allen, you know what I'm saying?

[F]

Sure.

[C]

And I think I gel with. I gel with the team, I gel with the management. Just be off the strength of that, like, you know what I'm saying? They didn't look at me like the person everybody else or the other GMs might have passed on or whatever. It was more like. No, that's what their culture is about over there, you know what I mean? But they do teach you how to be a professional, obviously.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

They got ways around that.

[F]

No, for sure.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Not to jump around too much. We talk about it. Miami Heat.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Heat culture. A lot of that is old to you. If you know, you know for sure. What was that moment like, man, getting to south beach, you know what I'm saying? Having some real successful years down there, man.

[C]

Man, nah, it was, you know, I give a lot of credit to Unanis, I always have. Because he held a standard, you know what I mean? He wouldn't let you settle over there. I'm talking about with anything for the single niggas, you know what I'm talking about, man. He helped y' all out the club for real. A lot of times.

[A]

Oh, that's real, though.

[B]

Hey, you need to bring more championships.

[F]

Respect.

[C]

Word. And beyond that, obviously. But he's the one who really showed, like how to be tight knit and trust each other. Cause you know the league is all about. Yeah, yeah, I trust you, but I want your minutes. Yeah, yeah, I trust you, but I want you to fuck up.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? And I feel like he was already above that by winning the championship and understanding what it took to be a champion. So I think off rip, obviously everybody in the gym or everybody on the team had mad respect for him. But being able to, to play basketball and even this is like, even during the, like the pickup days, you know, the pickup days before the preseason starts and even all that shit starts. So like it's pickup days and coach out there like, yo, whoever the best Players. That's who's going to play. You get what I'm saying? Like, you know, we came in in 09. It wasn't always the best players gonna play with.

[A]

Not at all the nigga who was

[C]

getting the most money. Exactly. Like, you could be 10 times better than the person making at this time. 15. $15 million for three years, four years. That was big chicken.

[A]

Yeah. That's crazy money back then.

[C]

And so. And so you finally get to the heat where they're like, yo, you get to play your brand of basketball, and if you're the best player out here, you gonna play now. I think everybody felt a way about that where it just brought out the best in everybody. On top of ud, obviously harping on, like, we built champions here. We champions around here. Nigga, I wanted to win one of them so bad. So bad over there, especially. Especially for you, Donnis. Like, I feel like for ud, I think he wanted us to win it more for us more than we wanted to win it more for us, you know what I'm saying? So that should show you, like, the humility he has and the given kind of person he is. At the time, he was 36, too. Like, 36, 37.

[F]

Oh, man.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

Like 20, 20, 16, 2017. Yeah, but that's old.

[C]

But that's not that to me. That's not like, old. The hoop.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You get what I'm saying? Like, to me, like, I signed with a team, and I'm 36, 37. I think if I have a good training camp, I give myself a chance.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You Play. He was 42, boy.

[A]

Damn.

[F]

Yeah, you did.

[C]

Cause he got running 77s with dragons going live the white side pick and rolls and handing the ball off to Wayne Ellington. Tyler Johnson, of course. That's my man. That's my man's man's like, you know what I mean? The Johnson name says enough, but that's my man's.

[F]

Hasan Whiteside was crazy.

[A]

He was hooping, man.

[F]

He was nasty, bro.

[C]

He's really the one who changed the whole, like, body fat shit. Like, that nigga came in inhumane, you

[A]

know what I'm saying?

[C]

He was like, 7 foot tall, 2 fitty, 44 or 5% body fat. Was like, yo,

[F]

he's a duck.

[C]

Every and then also, everybody had to. Had to get down past that. It was like, all right. You used to be all right with seven. Now we need you at six.

[A]

Yeah, that really like that, man.

[F]

What, you didn't believe it?

[A]

I Mean, I believe it, but damn.

[C]

I'm talking about I'm hot as, bro. I'm so up that even if I look at the scale, I know I. I picture Miami Heat locker room. You know me. You know me, jt. My shit always been bad, yo. I can't go a week without. Without working out or something. My shit, that's that I'm like, I have something on. So I think, like that part of me, that shit get big quick for sure. Too quick. So, like, I always had a thing about that. But that, that is big on that, though.

[F]

When you got there, though, they're finding

[C]

you, you're losing bread.

[B]

Damn, bro.

[C]

Because you're eating.

[F]

Crazy, bro.

[A]

That is crazy, bro.

[B]

I'm in the league, bro.

[F]

Mike, hey, cut the ear on for my boy.

[C]

What I'm saying, they hold you to a standard, though, that, that even yourself didn't know you was capable of, you know what I'm saying? And that's one thing I will say about him. That's why I feel generally, that's why they can get second round picks and no, no, not. Not drafted at all. And then make gems.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's definitely evident as well, because like you said, a lot of people who go to Miami where they was getting their shit off, it didn't matter where you was, you gonna hoop, you gonna get on this court, right? Hey, did not discriminate at all.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. They give everybody a shot. So I naturally feel like that brings the best out of you, naturally. Because you have a shot to play. Not off of anything else that goes on around the bubble of the league. It's strictly, am I a better basketball player than this guy on my team?

[B]

Yeah, obviously, you know, we moved around a little bit. What was one of your favorite seasons to play in?

[C]

I'm always gonna love Toronto. Chicago, obviously. You know what I mean? You get drafted in Chicago, I feel like you a kid, you grow up watching Jordan. So. Yeah, yeah, you get there, you see all the trophies, his jersey, you know what I mean, the banners. It just automatically feel like this what you was supposed to be, you know what I mean? You dreamed about shit like that. So I think the Bulls, for sure. Miami, obviously. Still love Miami. I still live in Miami.

[B]

Beautiful city.

[C]

In Memphis. The time I had in Memphis was dope. Yeah, dope.

[A]

Highlighters that. You go right there.

[B]

Okay, Load it up. M. Got you here, James, man, I want to play. Yeah. One of my favorite highlights.

[A]

You, bro.

[B]

Five two Week productions.

[C]

Yeah. Drumming my man's now but

[E]

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[C]

my man's now. But yes, he did me bogus over here, boy. I almost had a bring a. I buried you.

[B]

Yeah. No, they came back. Yeah, he was wilding right here.

[C]

Oh my God. You heard me. Look, I get up calmly. I don't want to commentate this because you know.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[C]

Like I said.

[B]

But yeah, that was. That's one of my first.

[C]

I understand why he did it. I didn't understand why he think it was all right to do it to me.

[F]

That's 520 family too.

[B]

I am so. I was a drug Connie. Baseline slipped. I was like damn, boy. He was a brave bull.

[C]

You know. I respect that though.

[F]

Respect that way more them type of plays right there.

[C]

Yeah. Like we men.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

But I'm saying we men. You making a play. You making a play. It's more of a rah rah your team up while we skating this team. Why we getting thug bullied by this team? So like as a basketball player, I understand like I said. But we cleared up Elvish.

[A]

Figured out.

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I got texted a humidifier.

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It's crazy. Crazy.

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I love this man. Hey, I want to talk about it.

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[B]

man, I'll never forget, man. We played in Milwaukee Bucks, man, and shit got real tricky, man. And they played in our face, man. And then it was only right, man, they had to go get the legend for our team, man. When you pulled up to nap, man, all things been great ever since, man. What was that like when you got the call to pull up in the city? Man,

[C]

I was astounded. Like I said, bro, I seen the buildup. I seen the first year we was here, we didn't go to the off. And then the second year we were like, yo, we in this. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

You thought y'. All. Hey, I'll be honest.

[C]

Third year,

[A]

we wanted y' all to win just for the city. But did y' all think y' all was gonna really win that game instead of Tyrese and get hurt?

[C]

Yo, how. How do you not think that?

[A]

I was hoping he was hooping, yo,

[C]

bro, his run and his story, bro, I. I feel like if it wasn't winning it, that was the only other way. Yeah, bro, there was only two outcomes. He was Gonna win a chance or that was gonna happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Hot, yo, and OKC is great players, great team, all that.

[A]

Like.

[C]

Nah, the way he was, the way he wanted to start the game. Like, you know, normally. You know his game. Normally, he's gonna get a ball, get people involved. He might give you. You give me the Open 3, I'm gonna take it, keep you honest. Then I'm gonna spray, then I'm throwing it up. Exactly.

[A]

He came out aggressive.

[B]

I was like, I get it.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

And we've seen this before. Anytime Tyrese came out that aggressive, we was getting the dub. He came out that aggressive.

[C]

Week the numbers, keep it real.

[B]

But outside of that unfortunate happening that was. I talk to you all the time, man. Obviously, we ain't got a chip, but that is one of the craziest playoff runs that I ever got to witness, especially as a fan. Like, how have you been around there? What was the vibe like, man? Cause y' all was just whooping everybody, bro.

[C]

I'm telling you, it was normal.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

Especially with Andrew Neymar. He, like, does a great job of, like. He don't get too high, too low, because it even kills killer. You know what I'm saying? Pascal, obviously, you know his vibe. So, like, Tyrese, he was the more the one that was just like, yo, we got this many more. This many, you know what I mean? But we seen this shit over and over again, even before this. This crazy run. Like, what he did, what he did in the spurs In Paris, that 16 old, 13 year old run by himself.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I mean, DJ talks about it.

[F]

Y' all niggas had a chance.

[A]

He did. He had a chance. I think they could have probably had a pass, bro.

[C]

No way.

[F]

No, I'm saying y. I'm saying y' all could have won if he didn't get hurt. I'm rolling that shit. He's. He's turned so much, bro.

[C]

All I'm saying is just look at. Look at the end of the half. Look at after he got injured.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And see what the score is going into halftime time.

[F]

No, I'm saying. I'm saying think about these. Y' all could win this for real. Like, we wanted to win for the city, for our show. We had to do like. We ain't no gimmicky ass, but we had to create some for the show. Just cuz DJ is such a. We hate on each other.

[B]

I was obnoxious, too.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

We was potting every night.

[A]

He bringing. He blowing. He blowing on the show.

[C]

I'm wild.

[B]

My.

[C]

That's another thing. It was like, yo, everybody was bringing they best bro for Martin.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

That shit. That shit. Double A did. Aaron Naismith did, bro, in the Garden.

[A]

It was impressive. It was kind of like. You watched the game the other day. Knicks and the Cavs.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

So what y' all did is basically what the Knicks did to the Cav.

[F]

You said that.

[C]

Yeah. But the only thing is, what. How many minutes they had left? Like, seven. We had two.

[A]

Yeah. Y' all did that in, like, a crazy. Aaron Eastman.

[B]

Yeah, bro. Eliminated that lead, bro. In like, 65 seconds, bro.

[C]

On some dream shot, man. JT know. Double put in pain. I'm talking after every practice, he put in pain, too, so. Like, to see them shits go in. Like, I'm telling you. We around each other. Like, we generally all fuck with each other. So it was more like, hey, we get to see your work ethic on a daily basis.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I wish I would've. I wish Tyrese didn't get hurt. I would like to see how that fourth quarter played out. Yeah. Cause that was a hell of a series for real basketball heads. It might not have been the most attractive series because of the fans. Cause Indiana, Oklahoma. Yeah. But with basketball heads, that was a good series, man.

[C]

That was. That was great in basketball. Good bump. Like, we even said it. We was like, yo, whoever gets the first. First stand, like, you know how, like, you get the first role win you more. You're most likely to win this.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It was more like, yo, if whoever gets the first two games, like, you got to win two in a row to be able to win this shit.

[A]

Yeah. Fact.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, we would have got one and two. I felt like we would have won that.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Confidence was crazy.

[A]

They was hooping, bruh.

[F]

Like, damn, these niggas really got the city on, man.

[A]

I don't think it's gonna be tough to recreate that.

[F]

Y' all was bringing people together that'll never come together together. That's what you don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Hoods in my town, they was. Was celebrating. I was together, bro.

[A]

No, I was the most hated in my city.

[F]

Yes. From here.

[A]

I was the most hated from every side of town.

[F]

Kill each other. All that from different hoods.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

Everybody was against this right here.

[C]

Trust me. Like one guy. Tell me anything about Indiana. Damn near did a two year bid with this. Where they from? Yeah. I heard every story. I, I, bro. I knew Lube way before he even. You know what I'm saying? I know about all the stories like that. Is proud to be where he's from. He's a stand up like boy. They can't have your opinion on nothing out here.

[A]

Oh no.

[F]

This I'm like I had from my hood.

[C]

What's up with.

[F]

Man, that's some ho ass for them.

[C]

What the was telling me James get on his ass.

[A]

Like, I might have to chill. I was like, cuz, DJ cover here on some wild.

[F]

And we potted every night.

[C]

Y' all kept. We owe y'. All.

[A]

L. Y' all kept the lights on in the millions.

[C]

You guys kept the lights now.

[E]

We did.

[F]

What I'm saying, y' all kept the content for us for sure. Bro was lit.

[C]

I'mma let them know when I see him.

[A]

These keep winning, dj keep

[F]

in the trap.

[B]

Good times for sure, man. But while we here, man, SGA looking like he dimmer about to get another one, man. You saw it up close and personal, obviously. You know what I'm saying? We a little bit different. Sga.

[C]

Is that. Is that short for Wimby?

[A]

You got Wimby in the winning of those?

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah, he cold, bro.

[B]

Look, that was early because me and Mook said we be the greatest we ever seen, bro. We. I ain't never seen no like that, bro.

[A]

I've never seen it neither though.

[C]

Yeah. Nah.

[A]

That tall, moving like that,

[C]

it don't surprise you when you see the. That they even allow to be seen like the yoga, the. All his little work ethics. His. What's those stretches and all that. The band work does all that before more.

[A]

Yeah, we wasn't doing all that.

[C]

Not at all. I hated foam rolling. Still do.

[A]

Damn.

[C]

I think foam roll. If you foam roll like, you're really up a little bit.

[F]

Mook do that.

[A]

That hurts.

[C]

See what I'm saying?

[F]

Mook do that every time before you hoop.

[C]

You gotta be crazy, man.

[B]

Wimpy was with the monks in the summer, bro. He said, I'm locked the in.

[A]

You know he was about to be serious.

[F]

He just gotta stay healthy, though, bro. I don't think he gonna get 41 every night.

[A]

Nah.

[C]

But his defense and the Navy Seals. You train with either one of those groups.

[F]

Hoops.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

It's different. My brother training, bro.

[A]

You train, man. People don't know when you got to Wake Forest, you had to pick between kickboxing or hooping.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Cause, nigga, you kickboxing. I'm about to get some money. But people don't know man, you really like that? Your whole family like that?

[C]

Yeah, I got soft that way. You know, you chasing that bread. You can't pop off like,

[A]

this is before.

[C]

This is before the grams and all that. Facebook. But niggas wasn't posting Facebook like that. Yeah. I mean, shit was used for other things.

[A]

My niggas about to get to it. Yeah.

[C]

But now, yeah. Growing up, training, fighting, always. Always allowed me to, you know what I mean, be myself and hold my head high everywhere I go. You know what I'm saying? Like, it always taught me, like, stay in the moment, like, enjoy the moment. It enjoyed it in space. And I think that helped a lot. Tied in a lot to, like, everything I do, period, in life is like, I don't care if it's skateboarding. I want to be better than Tony Hawk. You know what I'm saying? BMX biking. I want to be better than Nigel, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I have a problem. I don't care. Like, I have a problem with wanting to be the best or be better than everybody I hang out with. You know what I'm saying? So it was like,

[F]

that's how he is, too, though.

[A]

Gotta be wired like that, though. Yeah.

[F]

I'm saying that's some different kind of niggas, for sure.

[C]

For sure.

[F]

Y' all overly competitive. For sure.

[A]

Facts. You should have seen us, bro. We used to argue about everything. It was my nigga. What? We used to argue, like, when they put us on different teams in practice. Like, he was gonna beat me up one day. We was talking about it earlier. He's about to whoop my ass.

[C]

I like for stating a good scre. You said the good. I set a good screen. I was gonna have to resort to violence. Yeah. He was bothering around me. Grab my grab, you know? Like, I don't know if you guys. But when you're chasing, you know what I'm saying? You can use the big that's in the screen to, like, get around, right? And he, like, grabbed, got around and, like, got low, obviously, pausing, like, go around. He grabbed my knee. I'm like, damn, nigga, you trying to rip my knee out. Yo, I forget who it was. It might have been a walk on. He got a bucket. Anyway, coach got fired up and all that. And Jeff was like, this ass, like, you talking my knee out. It was like, yo, your mom, your gang, everything about you. Yeah, a gun. Speed, too. It was trying to let him get around that. It was all that. I said, oh, yeah. Not say no more.

[B]

Looked at me.

[A]

He said, after practice see me and this is.

[C]

Yeah, this is during like holiday time, like Christmas time. So is not in their dorm. Everybody's in hotel rooms at this point. They put you in these hotels cuz no one's alive staying on the campus or whatever, man.

[F]

They almost got wicked off.

[C]

Yeah, I dreaded going knock on that door. I was like fighting myself back as I was walking down the hallway.

[A]

For real.

[C]

Nah, nah, let it go. J said your mom. I ain't never let that pass. I ain't never let that pass. Listen, bro, he don't throw no regular question.

[A]

We get in the. We get out of practice. So I'm acting like I'm still mad. And Gary like, like, hey, when the practice over, go ahead and run to the locker room. I'm holding back. Know you scared like. I ain't scared. You talking about you better be that mad a nobody hold that big back. You know how you talk. We, we. The practice be shooting around. I'm out. All right. J.J. like hey, uhuh, uhuh. I'm like, I get my leor. Like, you know my leor. He like, come on, I'm take you back to the hotel room, man. Take you back to the hotel. Jj like Gary called me like JJ going he on his way to your room, bro.

[F]

Ah, what was you so mad for though, bro?

[A]

No, you.

[C]

Yeah, I'm telling you. And you know like when the walk ons is getting busy, like rebound or they like niggas got to run for that. Oh, speaking of running, that's when I found out Jeff was really crazy. Like crazy. We, we, we in practice, practice after practice, we got suicides. Boom. Everybody make the first one. Everybody make the second one. One of these on the team. I don't want to say his name. Jamie Skeen,

[A]

Bro.

[C]

We had one left, one left. This was not making it. I seen yo. Remember that?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's like a black. I'm talking about about shirt off rate of boxing fig. I'm talking about we would have to hop you Jamie, Steve. Hey, he wasn't rap tight either.

[A]

That's my man.

[C]

He knows that. You know you my man. You ain't rap tight. No.

[A]

Oh God. Jamie was crazy too.

[C]

Shout out his ass.

[A]

I was mad as though.

[C]

Nah, he, he went.

[A]

I was mad as, man.

[C]

He was winding too. That's why he was. Yeah, he was only running.

[A]

You remember we had to run the mile eight days. Kill the scheme.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

We was running this bitch backwards.

[C]

We ran cussing him out, all that. Jeff never said nothing to nobody before that day.

[F]

That's crazy.

[A]

You gotta think he. What was you, like, 250 back then? 245.

[C]

245. 6, 8.

[A]

245, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

This nigga ran the mile, what, 5, 45 or something like that?

[C]

We was up there.

[A]

Yeah. So I had to run it at 5:15. I think he ran at 5,45. Skeen had to make it in six minutes, right? This nigga Scheme. I love Scheme, bro. He wasn't making that at all. Nigga, we had to run this shit, like, eight times because of Scheme. But we ain't realizing we ran a mile backwards. Cause, nigga, we all was like, come on, skiing. Come on, skiing. You gonna make it. We all running this bitch backwards in six minutes. He finally making he die over the line. Make it like 559. Everybody hype or whatever. And then Coach Musa was like, you just run a mile backwards?

[F]

That's crazy.

[A]

We like, damn, we in some shape.

[C]

Yo, yo, remember when Harvey crossed the line? Hey, yo, Harvey, we running the mile, right? I think it's senior year for him, yo, when he get to the last 200, we on, he have 100 yards left. This get. Get that going like 40, 30. Yo, about time he got the 20. This whole body cramped up, bro. He got a whole body cramped. My N hit the floor. He even crossed the. He couldn't even do him that favor like this.

[A]

Remember that? Yeah, I do remember that.

[C]

Yo, boy had to go get the eyes.

[A]

And this how. This how I knew Gary was a little wired. Different, too. He's like, that ain't even make it.

[C]

He ain't ready.

[B]

He ain't ready.

[A]

He ain't even make it. I like this. Crazy. Yeah, man.

[B]

Y' all had one of the funnest scenes ever, bro.

[A]

Facts, bro. Bro, this was fun as hell, man.

[F]

Nah, for sure, J. Definitely appreciate you for pulling up on me.

[A]

For sure.

[B]

Yeah. Before we out here, man, tell the people they can find a new pod, bro.

[C]

The new project.

[A]

Yeah,

[C]

it's still in the works.

[A]

Oh, it's still in the works, but

[C]

I mean, stay tuned. Wait.

[B]

Tuned.

[C]

Wait for that. Nothing silent, man. Be on the lookout for that.

[A]

On the way. Family on the way.

[B]

On the way. For sure. Tap in before we get out here. Be here. Tell people they can grab some merch, buddy.

[F]

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