Club 520 - Mark Cuban on buying Dallas Mavericks, trading for Luka Doncic, Kobe Bryant deal

Summary

Club 520 Podcast: Mark Cuban on Mavericks, Luka Doncic, College NIL, and Blockbuster NBA Stories

Date: April 6, 2026
Host: DJ Wells with Bishop B and Young Nacho
Guest: Mark Cuban (Entrepreneur, Philanthropist, former Dallas Mavericks owner, Shark Tank investor)

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Episode Overview

In this star-studded, energetic episode, Club 520 welcomes billionaire entrepreneur and former Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. The conversation jumps between Cuban’s business and basketball journeys, NBA ownership tales, highly entertaining “what if” scenarios (including near-trades for Kobe Bryant and Paul Pierce!), Luka Doncic’s draft story, Indiana nostalgia, and invaluable snapshots of today’s evolving sports landscape. The tone is equal parts hilarious and insightful, bouncing between sharp basketball breakdowns and candid business lessons.

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Key Topics and Insights

1. Gambling, Player Props, and NBA Culture

[04:14 - 04:46]

• The crew jokes about modern prop bets in basketball, with Mark Cuban admitting, “What a mess, man… Never in our wildest dreams do we think like the prediction markets or even like the prop bets. …And the guys are just starting to get ripped. I mean, it’s bad news.” (Mark Cuban, 04:14)
• Player interactions with fans have shifted, with gambling now affecting fan-player relations.
• “Walking down a tunnel now… it used to be, you know, hey, autograph. Now, nobody cares. ‘You sold me!’” (Mark Cuban, 04:46)

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2. Mark Cuban’s Roots and Indiana University Love

[08:43 - 13:35]

• Cuban chose Indiana University for business school based simply on affordability. (“I just showed up on my dorm room and went to school.” – Mark Cuban, 08:51)
• Reflects fondly on Bloomington and Pittsburgh, with lively banter about sports movies and college life.
• On Indiana’s sudden football dominance: “It’s like the ultimate underdog Hoosier story, right? 50 years of suck ass, right. When you win after 50 years of sucking, like, true.” (Mark Cuban, 12:29)
• The group marvels at IU’s transformation into a football powerhouse and the electric alumni energy during championship season.

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3. NIL, Transfer Portal, and the Evolution of College Sports

[11:16 - 17:47]

• Cuban: “College sports is no longer college sports. It’s pro sports.” (11:16)
• On recruiting: “You don’t know what you’re gonna get in a high school kid. Now you get a grown man in the portal with three mouths to feed… he gonna play his heart out.” (Mark Cuban, 15:58)
• The sense of “one-year deals” has replaced four-year scholarships. “You have a good year, you move up, you have a bad year, you’re off the team.” (Panel, ~16:30)
• Silver lining: more players are arriving in the NBA financially literate thanks to NIL.

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4. Mark Cuban’s First Billion: The Moment

[19:41 - 20:47]

• “I was naked.” (Mark Cuban on the moment he realized he’d become a billionaire, 19:48)
• Shares the rush of watching Broadcast.com go public, refreshing stock tickers in a towel.

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5. Early Hustles: The Salesman’s Path

[21:01 - 22:58]

• Mark's drive started young—selling repackaged baseball cards and garbage bags as a kid.
• “If you can sell door to door… you’ll always have a job.” (Mark Cuban, 22:24)

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6. Buying the Dallas Mavericks

[23:11 - 24:15]

• Cuban details the Mavericks’ dismal late-'90s atmosphere and the moment he decided to buy the team:
  • “I can do better than this.” (Mark Cuban, 23:40)
• Bought the Mavericks for $285 million (“didn’t even negotiate”), eventually selling for over four billion.

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7. From Ownership Rookie to Revolutionary

[29:12 - 31:29]

• “Oh my god. It was a blast… I was a kid in a candy store… Playing one-on-one with Dirk, beat him 2:1… then he dunked on me.” (Mark Cuban, 29:12)
• Other NBA owners and league office were initially hostile: “They hated my ass… I was like the Internet dude.” (Mark Cuban, 29:53)
• Fined $150K for sitting with equipment managers during a game: “Conduct not becoming an owner.” (Mark Cuban, 31:19)

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8. Rebuilding and Tanking in the NBA

[31:29 - 35:14]

• Hates losing, but admits post-Dirk, tanking sometimes became necessary.
• On rebuilding: “As long as you let teams collect 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 number ones, teams are going to do all they can to stay underneath the cap.” (Mark Cuban, 33:51)
• Adam Silver’s leadership praised, and they dissect the messy realities of the lottery, draft prep, and “tanking” incentives.

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9. Draft Day Drama: Luka Doncic, Giannis, and ‘What Ifs’

[37:10 - 45:06]

• On scouting Luka: “We hoped... but you never know.” (Mark Cuban, 37:21)
• Real tension during the Luka-Trae Young draft trade: “We were down to like four, five, six minutes left… I called the Hawks owner… we threw in a first, and the rest is history.” (Mark Cuban, 38:51)
• They nearly drafted Giannis but tried to keep cap for Dwight Howard—a classic NBA sliding doors moment.
• On the missed chance for Paul Pierce (46:14) and a Kobe Bryant deal that almost happened (46:57):
  • “We had a trade for Paul Pierce. Done. Absolutely done... And then Danny Ferry...realizes we're trading for Paul Pierce... says, no...Couldn't do it.” (Mark Cuban, 46:17)
  • “Kobe was ready to get out [of L.A. in 2007]... two firsts, Josh Howard, Jason Terry...if they would've said yes, I would have, like, run out the back.” (Mark Cuban, 46:57)

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10. Shark Tank Business Stories

[51:39 - 54:57]

• “I did it because I wanted people to believe the American dream was alive and well...” (Mark Cuban, 53:02)
• Huge hits: Dude Wipes “now worth at least a half a billion dollars”, BeatBox Beverages acquired by Budweiser for $670M.
• Dispels the viral “$30 million dating app” rumor: Cuban clarifies he never made that offer.

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11. Biggest Regrets and Missed Investments

[63:19 - 66:11]

• Admits he’s lost millions trusting the wrong people, but made it back on monster wins like Synthesia, an AI company now valued at $4B (64:16).
• “Uber. … I tried to over negotiate. …He walked me, ghosted me and boom.” (Mark Cuban, 65:39)

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12. Expansion Teams and the NBA’s Future

[60:07 - 62:23]

• Would pick Vegas over Seattle for a new team: “Vegas. ...It’ll be interesting to see how much they get, you know, there’s a number where it's too much.” (Mark Cuban, 60:10)
• Regional TV money has dried up; the NBA’s local media landscape is rapidly changing.
• On future struggles of expansion teams and new salary cap rules.

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13. Notable & Memorable Moments

• On the night they won the 2011 championship
  “We had a good time...$140,000 bottle of champagne... My card got declined.” (Mark Cuban, 40:25)
• Cuban’s draft ‘misses’ and close calls
  “If we had gotten (Dwight Howard), we never would’ve gotten Giannis... Never would’ve gotten Luka.” (Mark Cuban, 44:08)
• On tough trades:
  “We were supposed to trade both those picks... But we didn’t trade him… That’s what we thought he was going to drop.” (Mark Cuban, 45:50)
• “I was naked” (Cuban’s first-billion-dollar day, bold, candid, and hilarious; 19:48)

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Notable Quotes

• “I can do better than this.” — Mark Cuban on buying the Mavericks (23:40)
• “If you can sell door to door – you always have a job.” — Mark Cuban (22:24)
• “College sports is no longer college sports. It’s pro sports.” — Mark Cuban (11:16)
• “They hated my ass… I was like the Internet dude that they didn’t understand.” — Mark Cuban (29:53)
• “We hoped [Luka was generational], but you never know.” — Mark Cuban (37:21)
• “I was naked.” — Mark Cuban on hitting billionaire status (19:48)
• “Uber... I tried to over negotiate, and he got someone else. …boom.” — Mark Cuban (65:39)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Gambling & NBA Culture: 04:14–04:53
• Choosing Indiana University: 08:51–09:16
• NIL & One-Year Deals in College: 11:16–17:47
• First Billionaire Moment: 19:41–20:47
• Buying the Mavericks: 23:11–24:15
• Ownership Stories, NBA Fines: 29:12–31:29
• Tanking Philosophy: 31:29–35:14
• Luka’s Draft (and Trae Young trade): 37:10–39:26
• Near-Miss: Kobe & Paul Pierce Trades: 46:14–47:56
• Shark Tank Business Hits: 51:39–54:57
• Biggest Investment Regret: 63:19–66:11

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a master class in the intersections of sports, business, and pop culture. Fans of basketball and business alike will love Cuban’s candor, wild stories, and practical wisdom. Whether you’re tracking the evolution of college sports, dying to know how close Kobe was to becoming a Maverick, or simply looking for entertaining business and life lessons, this episode is not to be missed.

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Club 520 delivers again—funnier, deeper, and more revealing than your average sports pod.

Transcript

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[Bishop B]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Mark Cuban]

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[Bishop B]

What's wrong?

[Julian Edelman]

Nothing's wrong. You look like a guy running on three hours of sleep and vibes. Okay, yeah, I'm tired, kind of cranky and very thirsty. Congrats. Those are some of the potential signs of mild dehydration. And I bet your last bathroom break showed you another sign your body might be throwing you a penalty flag.

[Mark Cuban]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Mark Cuban]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Young Nacho]

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[Mark Cuban]

What a mess. What a mess, man. I mean, like when I was going to board of governors meetings and we were talking about gambling, Never in our wildest dreams do we think like the prediction markets or even like the prop bets. Yeah, you know, I mean, you're going to shoot the ball at 7 seconds or 8 seconds from the free throw line, I mean, and then the guys are just starting to get ripped. I mean, it's bad news.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Oh, he was a victim of that. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

A rebound I wasn't supposed to get.

[Mark Cuban]

You ruined my part.

[DJ Wells]

I'm not Milwaukee.

[Mark Cuban]

No. And like, even like walking Down a tunnel now, like after a game. Yeah, you know, it used to be, you know, hey, autograph, autograph.

[Young Nacho]

You

[Mark Cuban]

little kids around, nobody cares.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, you sold me.

[Bishop B]

But with that being said, shout out to Hard Rock. We get these legs paid, baby.

[Young Nacho]

Yes.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to StockX, keeping us fresh as well. Last, but certainly, shout out to Blackfest Podcast Festival, April 25th. We will be there. Atlanta, Georgia, live show. Teague hometown, man. The real Atlanta Hawk. We know you from that, but you Atlanta Hawk as well, man.

[DJ Wells]

We pulled up for sure.

[Bishop B]

They still mad at us, man. We good. Anyways, man, we got a special guest. We going to introduce him last as usual. To my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Hitting out the priest. How you. What Nasty?

[Young Nacho]

Cool and nasty, man. I'm glad about this one today.

[Bishop B]

Yes, man.

[Young Nacho]

Excited, man. Got a couple questions for my guy.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Bishop B]

Oh, yeah, anytime, B. Do his research. Yeah, you know, it's going to get wicked. We going to have some fun. For sure, man. To my right, we got my dog, Young Nacho. Young T. How you what?

[DJ Wells]

I'm good, man. I'm excited, bro. We all fans of Shark Tank. I'm a fan of him as an owner. Y' all went to the game before, had the best food.

[Young Nacho]

Oh, gotta talk about.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah, we got a lot to talk about.

[Young Nacho]

We got a great story about that as well.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bishop B]

Come on, man.

[Young Nacho]

We gotta take care of everybody, Mark.

[Mark Cuban]

That's right.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, we gotta talk about some choices that our cast made in the Friends and family, but we'll get to that. We got a lot to talk about today, man. We got a philanthropist billionaire, man, One of the smartest minds on and off the court. Mr. Mark Cuban. Big dawg, we appreciate you sliding on us, man.

[Mark Cuban]

Thanks for letting me come in, man. I had to chase you guys to get in.

[Bishop B]

Oh, no, no. When we to the dm, I said, hold on. Is that the real market? We block it.

[Young Nacho]

How long did they take to respond to the dm?

[Mark Cuban]

You remember Years. It was just a day.

[Bishop B]

Production team, man. They hold it down. For sure. We got a lot of things to talk about.

[Mark Cuban]

Let's.

[Bishop B]

First things first, man, why A you going to get Young N free agency, man. Was he.

[Mark Cuban]

Don't ask me that.

[Bishop B]

Why I pick my man on me?

[Mark Cuban]

I wish he would because he was rolling when he was rolling with the Hawks, right? Making the all star team. Like, first there was, we won. Then there was the lockout, right? And then that's when you started to really kick in with the Hawks. And then you make the all star team. And you weren't. They weren't letting you go anywhere.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And by the time you were free, you weren't quite that all star.

[Young Nacho]

Yes, sir.

[DJ Wells]

He said yesterday real physical.

[Bishop B]

And what they do homeboy Charlotte they

[DJ Wells]

say hold on know they would have Rene. I love that one. That gotta be a real.

[Mark Cuban]

We always talked about you, right. We had your brother in a couple times. But no, I mean defend. I mean, you're one of the few two way players, right?

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

So you could defend decent passer. Right. Wasn't a great finisher, but could shoot

[DJ Wells]

some Y I take make an all

[Mark Cuban]

star team in this league.

[Young Nacho]

You're doing something special for sure.

[DJ Wells]

Appreciate.

[Young Nacho]

Never heard nobody call him a two way.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Didn't you get like votes for defensive player of the year? Go ahead, keep going.

[Bishop B]

Love my brother.

[DJ Wells]

I'll take it though. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Whoever guaranteed dpoi votes.

[Mark Cuban]

I just said defensive team.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Bishop B]

Respect.

[DJ Wells]

Very awesome.

[Young Nacho]

No, that's hard.

[Bishop B]

Hey, this is crazy article right here. Believe it or not, Jeff H is one of the best Defensive point guards. February 19, 2015.

[DJ Wells]

I was solid. I was solid.

[Mark Cuban]

Mar you a rule sitting there showing step they shut him down, right?

[Bishop B]

I ain't gonna say that.

[DJ Wells]

Think he might have had 31, but 35. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

[Bishop B]

Guess why we here. We can look up the game prior to February 19, 2015, but that's okay.

[DJ Wells]

Okay. He probably cooked me what he had. 40.

[Bishop B]

I ain't going. But listen, man one, I use alumni. What made you choose Indiana University, man? Writing down.

[Mark Cuban]

I was in Pittsburgh where I grew up and you know, I didn't have much money, but I wanted to go to business school. So I saw a list of the top 10 business schools and picked out the cheapest one. Wow. One I could afford. So I went to Bloomington sight unseen. Never saw the campus, never visited. Just showed up on my dorm room and went to school.

[Bishop B]

Oh, so you came to IU and hadn't, you know what I'm saying? Peeped the scene out.

[Mark Cuban]

Nope, not at all.

[Bishop B]

Oh, you fell in love immediately, I imagine.

[Mark Cuban]

Yo, yeah, that was great. Yeah. Shout out to Foster Quad Shay B109.

[Bishop B]

You know Foster quad.

[Young Nacho]

Boy, leaving Pittsburgh to Bloomington is crazy. I love Pittsburgh. You ever been to Texas? Brazil out there? Yeah, man, that's my.

[Mark Cuban]

How do you know Pittsburgh?

[Young Nacho]

Oh, man, I got people out there, man. Yeah, that's a beautiful restaurant, man. That lobster bisque and that ribeye.

[Mark Cuban]

I couldn't tell you about the lobster bisque.

[Young Nacho]

It's smoke out There.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

I love Pittsburgh, man. It's gotten better and better and better.

[Bishop B]

Why?

[DJ Wells]

Do you notice?

[Bishop B]

I got the imported lobster biscuit. Pittsburgh Wicked.

[Mark Cuban]

But I respect the rivers and I

[Young Nacho]

been to a few places.

[DJ Wells]

Mark.

[Young Nacho]

I ate from worse.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, yeah?

[Young Nacho]

Yeah, bro. Respect.

[Bishop B]

Did you grow up any fan of any of the Pittsburgh teams or local teams?

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. I mean, I. That's. You know, my dad, my uncles, everybody was Steelers, Pirates, Penguins, you name it. Nice and even when, like, I was a hook fan, but it was like the college. So it was Duquesne when Duquesne was good and pit. But I was a kid when they were shooting the Fish that Saved Pittsburgh. Y' all ever hear that movie?

[Bishop B]

No.

[DJ Wells]

No.

[Mark Cuban]

You got to check it out with Julius Irving. I'm not gonna say anything more.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, I have seen that movie.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. It's like old with Julius and. Yeah. Pittsburgh. Yeah. Check it out.

[Young Nacho]

Okay.

[DJ Wells]

I have seen them.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. I still get criticized. I've never seen Hoochers and I went to. I went to. But I'd never seen Hooters ever in my life.

[Mark Cuban]

I just saw it again the other night, actually. I was like, don't change that.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. My favorite who movies, above the realms. It's a little different demographic. My favorite movie is above the Realm.

[DJ Wells]

You know what I'm saying? That's not even a hoop movie.

[Bishop B]

Yes, it is, bro.

[Mark Cuban]

Not everybody.

[Bishop B]

Y' all should have saw Tommy shepherd to attend. They had a best mid range.

[DJ Wells]

The same clip.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, I've seen this before, but now, I mean, obviously, Indiana University, one of the best alumni. How does it feel now to be a part of one of the best alumni in the world? And in the world did you have to be involved with Nil?

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, my God. It's crazy. Actually. It's good for us, man, because it's not even about spending the money. It's just like Coach Sick, who's a Pittsburgh, Western Pennsylvania guy, he understood really quickly that it wasn't like the old days of college. Right. College sports is no longer college sports. It's pro sports. And he recognized that, like, just like in the NBA, there's potential and there's production.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And when you're only going to have a guy for a year or two, you need production.

[Young Nacho]

Right.

[Mark Cuban]

Like, right off the bat. And you want somebody, you know, with your basketball IQ or football IQ that understands the role. Because you guys know, man, if a guy comes in and he's here in his head, but his role is here and he doesn't get that team falls Apart, Yeah, definitely. Basketball, football, too. And. And Coach Sig understood that. He recruits for that, pays for that. Like 05 stars. Like only seven four stars, man. That tells you you're getting the right person for the right job, the right coach to coach them. And then obviously Mendoza, man, Heisman Doza. That was the difference.

[Bishop B]

One of the best college football season of all time. I know they'd be having arguments about the best team. That's fine. But this, in my opinion, the best college football season of all time. They won the most games.

[Mark Cuban]

Yes.

[Bishop B]

Come on, man.

[Mark Cuban]

Yes. I mean, it's like the ultimate underdog Hoosier story, right?

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

50 years of suck ass, right. When you win after 50 years of sucking, like, true. Like from the time I went to school back in the day to now, like, they don't win anything. Like, we beat more top 10 teams this year than the entire history of the program.

[Bishop B]

Yes.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Young Nacho]

They ain't never been known for football, though.

[Mark Cuban]

No.

[DJ Wells]

How does it feel to be a football school now, though?

[Mark Cuban]

Whatever, you know, whatever. Wherever you win, I don't care. I know. I wrote, you know, like, so I felt like really good games, like all Hoosier nation for like the biggest alumni, right?

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

People just showing up, like, having more fans than Oregon, having more fans than Alabama.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And then in Miami's backyard, having equal numbers.

[DJ Wells]

They went to the game.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to Hard Rock Vet. They got us at the game.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Yes, sir.

[Young Nacho]

Same. It was like all them people. Even in the airport. Remember we was in the airport, I was like, bro, this is. We might wipe them out for sure.

[Bishop B]

We didn't see any. I mean, we saw a couple, but all we saw was red shirts. The entire place was red shirt. They took over the entire city.

[Mark Cuban]

Everywhere, everywhere. Which I love because everybody knew that I had contributed. So everywhere I went, like, I didn't buy a drink. I didn't do nothing. It was great. Yeah.

[Young Nacho]

My money's already out there for sure.

[Bishop B]

Is that little hating IU alumni group chat. They like, dang Mark flexing on all of us, man. Like, put your bread up. You can be like, me too.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. Oh, God.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, it was. It was cool. It was cool.

[Young Nacho]

What we got to do to get that basketball back rolling.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

I think, you know, I've been talking to Scott Dawson, the ad, and just like, what I was saying here, like, it's different game. You can't recruit high school kids unless that's a one and done kid that, you know is already made. You know that one of those kids who go Right. To the NBA and start right off the bat because you need people that, I mean, if you, if one team can get a kid like Illinois, right. Illinois, I think has figured out, I think they've got a good shot to win. I know Michigan's got more talent, right. But they got four dudes that are like 40 years old and gray. Right. From Serbia. First of all, this lock in nations, you know, they know how to play. Yeah, right. And they start playing professional, like young, you know, 15, 16, 17. And then they're playing on their city team, then the country team. And so they've been through all the big games and then they try to make Euroleague and if they can't make it or you know, then they go to college because that's the next best paying job. And so, you know, I was looking the. The Illinois bigs are like 22, 23 and they're sophomores, you know.

[Bishop B]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Crazy.

[Mark Cuban]

You know, I mean, and they've been through the wars. They're men, they're grown ass men. They've played against grown ass men. They know how to be physical because the game over there is more like college than it is NBA. Right. So I think that gives an edge. And I've been trying to get Indiana to try to focus on that. Now coach is going to do what coach wants to do. AD is going to do. We got a guy, Ryan Carr from the Pacers, just started working there. He's really, really good. Yeah. You know, and so Ryan knows his. And so, you know, he knows all this stuff. So we'll see where we go.

[Bishop B]

It's interesting you say that because it's t. He coaches all honor and he's got some really good kids, you know what I'm saying? With potential to play in college as well. It's interesting. Those kids, their job, well, the jobs they could get in college are getting slim and slim and slim.

[DJ Wells]

They're getting cut. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

It's like, what do you do now if you're a high school kid? Because I'm gonna go get that grown man in the portal with three mouths to feed. Cause he gonna play his heart out.

[DJ Wells]

Oh yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

He's got no choice because this is it.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

He ain't playing in the NBA and he maybe goes overseas, but this is where he's making real money. And you know, so you're right, they're gonna play hard out, but high school kids gotta go D2, you know, mid major and you know, now you'll go to St. Louis or you'll go to Miami of Ohio get paid a little bit, but then you prove out. Get paid a lot.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Bishop B]

That's interesting you say like that because we was talking like it's literally one year deals now. It's like one year deals in college and ain't for your scholarships. It's one year deals. If you're good, great, you can move on the portal.

[DJ Wells]

If you bad, great.

[Young Nacho]

But I think that's what I like about it though. That is straight one year.

[DJ Wells]

Because it can go either way.

[Mark Cuban]

It can go.

[Bishop B]

You have a good year, you move

[DJ Wells]

up, you have a bad year. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

You'd be off the team.

[Mark Cuban]

You're unemployed, you know, it's a job, right. You're literally unemployed. You got cut.

[Bishop B]

I never thought about that. I wonder if you, if I had nil last year, I thought this year

[DJ Wells]

if I'm a coach, I'm going literally like, like if I gave you a hundred thousand a year before and you didn't play well, I'll be like, well, if you want to come back, I got 20,000 for you.

[Mark Cuban]

For real.

[DJ Wells]

And you're gonna leave.

[Mark Cuban]

For real? Yeah. Or you're getting a forty thousand dollar scholarship.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

That's your money, you know.

[Young Nacho]

See, I like that.

[Mark Cuban]

It's, it's, it's hard, it's hard on it though, that.

[Young Nacho]

But that may. I think that gives the kids a reason to work harder though. For sure, bro.

[Mark Cuban]

Yes.

[Young Nacho]

Because if you get a million, I was just talking to Jamie about that. If you get a million and the next year somebody offer you 200 000, you're pissed.

[DJ Wells]

Oh yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

But Jeff knows like how many dudes came into the league that you were teammates with that didn't know how to use a credit card, didn't know what a checking account was. So from an NBA perspective, like we had one dude, I won't, I won't bust him. But never opened up a credit, never had a credit card, didn't know how to checking account worked, you know, none of that stuff. And just was lost and blew his money. Now, from the NBA perspective, NAL was great.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Cuban]

Right. Because they're staying in school longer, they learn how to manage their money, all that stuff. So that's a positive. But on the negative side, parents know, you know, and the whole AAU scene just gets even worse is that money's coming in sooner. There's kids getting nil money in high school now. Yeah, no, I mean that's brutal. Brutal.

[Young Nacho]

Nah, for sure.

[Mark Cuban]

Now imagine being an agent now.

[DJ Wells]

Nah, I couldn't at all. For What?

[Bishop B]

Chasing like 16, 14 year old tournaments looking filthy.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

But even the AAA tournaments, like, are stacked, right? They're like. And the parents get nasty because the money's right there.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Used to be NBA, you were like one of 450.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Now there's what you. There's probably, you know, 50,000. Not. No, that's not right. So there's what, 200 schools and say the top five on average. So a thousand kids are getting paid in college and maybe 20 are getting paid in high school. That's a lot to chase right there.

[Bishop B]

So it opened my eyes when we did the first Adidas activation and we saw the nil kids and they were like, yeah, they're Adidas athletes. I'm like, damn it, 16. Like it took me.

[DJ Wells]

It took me five years to get Adidas. I was in the NBA.

[Mark Cuban]

No, but at least, you know, and the cool part is like when Jeff played, the stories were great about guys getting paid, right?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Cuban]

You know, under the table. Yeah. And I'd sit there and just laugh. Yeah. I got 250 and you know, all this 300 for real. But now it's just above the board.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. I thought my little 10k was. Thought I killed him.

[Young Nacho]

Chill out.

[Bishop B]

They just got me in the hall of fame.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I just got in the hall of fame. My bad.

[Bishop B]

All right, well, I want to ask you a wild question because I never got to ask another human being this. What was that feeling like when you made your first billion dollars?

[Mark Cuban]

I was naked.

[Young Nacho]

Mark.

[Mark Cuban]

What?

[DJ Wells]

Where do we go from here? Would you be a man?

[Bishop B]

You said, why?

[DJ Wells]

With Bruce and the.

[Mark Cuban]

So like when our stock. So my head company was. We started the streaming industry. It was called broadcast.com first streaming company. And so we went public. Biggest IPO in the history of the stock market at the time. First day jump. And our stock kept on going up and I knew what. What the price had to be. And I'd get up every morning to go to work and I checked the stock, you know, before I, you know, before I run into the bathroom, get dressed. And I was closed. Right. So I had to go back and check again because I was showering after the market open hit, you know, my little F5 on my PC and I just did my little. Jumped in the shower and went to work.

[DJ Wells]

I wouldn't even went to work.

[Mark Cuban]

I had to give you stock in the bank.

[DJ Wells]

I would have been cook.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. That have been my. My last day. Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Got to keep working, man.

[Bishop B]

Man, that is Fire.

[DJ Wells]

That is fire.

[Young Nacho]

What was your first line of hustle like? What was the first thing that you.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, my God. I was like. When I was 8, 9 years old in Pittsburgh, when I was 8, 9 years in Pittsburgh, I used to go buy baseball cards. And then there was a park down the street and with a table and I used to just set up and I'd repackage them. So I'd say, okay, cost me 10 cents, 25 cents, whatever. And then I repackage them for a dollar for a package. And I'd say there'd be a Pittsburgh Pirate card in there. Right. Because all kids wanted the local team. And so that was my first hustle. My second hustle was I asked my dad. My dad and his buddies used to play poker at different houses, right? So they come over and they were, you know, yucking it up. And I went in there to get donuts, whatever. And I was like, dad, I need a new pair of shoes. New pair of basketball shoes. Looks at me and he's like, those shoes work. When you have a job, you can buy whatever you want. One of his buddies that he was playing with was like, hey, I got all these boxes of garbage bags that you can go around the neighborhood and sell. I'm like, dad, can I? And he's like, sure. So literally, I had the world's first garbage bag route. And it was great, right? I'd walk up the doors, imagine a 12 year old. Mark. Hi, my name is Mark. Do you use garbage bags? And I bought it for three, sold them for six, and just bam, bam, bam. Till I sold out. Made some money there. I sold magazines door to door because once I learned I could sell.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Everything got easy. Yeah. And I was just, whatever. Hustle.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, man. You saw it. I was going door to door.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, man. If you can sell door to door. So you always have a job.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to the people who did Cutco. Yeah. Cut call boy, that door, door. They're like, you wasn't get there.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, no, I got that too. No, I was selling the magazines door to door when I was 16.

[Bishop B]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And there were just, you know, three things. Yes, I made a deal. No, I got shut out 3. Some hot mom answered the door and I was like, hello.

[Young Nacho]

What would you let the trash bags go for? How much were you selling them?

[Mark Cuban]

I sold them for six bucks a bag. I mean, it's six bucks a box of.

[Young Nacho]

Oh, I must say a bad.

[Bishop B]

All right, man, what made you want to buy the Dallas Mavericks?

[Mark Cuban]

So I'd Always been a basketball junkie. I mean, I still play pickup and get out there and shoot and all that. And so I had season tickets to the Mavs, but. And it was the 99, 2000 season and I was there with my then girlfriend, now wife and my brothers and everything. And you know, it's the start of the season, the first game we're undefeated. And we got Finley, we got Nash, we got Sean Bradley, we got Dirk. And I'm like, okay, you know, I don't know if we're going to be good, but at least it's the first game of the season. I can do better than this. And so I talked to my sales rep and the guy who owned him was a guy named Ross Perot Jr. Who didn't know anything about basketball, didn't care it was a real estate deal for him, him. And so I was like, I just sold my business. I'm going to get paid. And so I worked out a deal and bought him for 285.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Mark Cuban]

All in about three, four weeks. And I didn't even negotiate. Didn't even negotiate. It was just like, yes, let's go 285.

[DJ Wells]

And you sold it for how much?

[Mark Cuban]

Four and a little bit. And. And then nobody can say I screwed up. I could have gotten more. But we won't go into that.

[DJ Wells]

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[Mark Cuban]

Why?

[Bishop B]

What's wrong?

[Julian Edelman]

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[Mark Cuban]

Okay. Yeah, I'm tired, kind of cranky, and very thirsty.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Mark Cuban]

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[DJ Wells]

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[Mark Cuban]

You inspired this epic guy's weekend.

[DJ Wells]

I'm sorry you're missing it.

[Mark Cuban]

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[Bishop B]

Everyone but Dave.

[DJ Wells]

So here's the finally figuring out how to get on an airplane. Dave, we'll see you tomorrow.

[Mark Cuban]

And I'm glad you could rebook your flight.

[Bishop B]

He would have loved this restaurant.

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[Young Nacho]

What that trash bag pay?

[DJ Wells]

What was it, what was it like when you finally, like, got the team?

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, my God. It was a blast, right? I was a kid in the candy store, right? Yeah, I, I was playing one on one with Dirk. I beat him 2:1. I got up 2:0, missed a shot. He dunked on me. I quit. You know, I'd get out there and shoot. Ask Richard Jefferson if you ever see him about shooting before. Just shooting for money and stuff. I mean, just going out before games and just being able to get shots up, you know, getting in little runs with the staff and everything. I mean, it was, it was a dream. And then, and obviously the games and, you know, we had sucked for so long, and then Dirk and Nash and Finn came around and then all of a sudden we were for real. And that was fun.

[Bishop B]

Did the other owners receive you with good or bad?

[Mark Cuban]

They hated my ass.

[Bishop B]

I could tell that Poppy, the ways you ran to a little bit different the way they happened.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, I was like the Internet dude that they didn't understand. And David Stern to his credit was like, like, you know, he's young. Don't pay attention to what he says. He can help us because he understands technology. But I remember there was one guy, there were a couple, like older guys that were like in their late 70s, 80s, and one of them, it was like, I, I, I was talking about something and he Goes shut your ass up until you've done something in this league. Shut the F up. And David Stern was like, like, stop, stop, stop. I'm like, what's your name again? Called him by the wrong name and everything. And so it didn't get any better.

[Bishop B]

All things to say on this show.

[Mark Cuban]

So. But yeah, they didn't, they didn't take real kindly to me. And then obviously the league kept on finding me for everything. Like, I remember like one of my first games in Minnesota. And remember that guy used to sit there with the.

[DJ Wells]

Bang. The paper.

[Mark Cuban]

Anyways, I decided I wanted to get to know all the different jobs on the team. And so, you know, the. There's the trainers and everything and the equipment managers. Sometimes they'll just sit on the floor. Right. Right by the bench. So I sat down there on the floor, just talked to them during the game, just to get to know their job and everything. And they find me for $150,000 for conduct not becoming an owner.

[DJ Wells]

Wow.

[Mark Cuban]

Because you're not supposed to do that. And you know, and then I'd get into the refs and all that and it was. Yeah, just went downhill from there. But I didn't care.

[Young Nacho]

What was the hardest part about your job being owner?

[Mark Cuban]

Losing. Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was it. That was the hardest part always. Because winning is good, but it's not as hard as losing as bad. You know, it's just because you think you've done all the right things and then it doesn't turn out, somebody gets hurt, another team's just better. And, you know, that just killed me. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Safe to say you wouldn't have been a person who was pro tanking, I

[Mark Cuban]

imagine, you know, but how else do you rebuild teams?

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. Like we had 10 years in a row where we won 50 plus games. Like, I didn't have a losing season till 15, 16 years in, so we didn't really have to tank till we had to tank. You know, once Dirk was done, it was like, okay, how do you rebuild? And so all this talk about tanking isn't really about up, you know, trying to get the. The best draft because like one, even if you have the worst record, you still have an 86 chance of not getting the best pick. Right. Two, you don't know if it's going to be a good draft or not. There's lots of number one pick over the last.

[DJ Wells]

No disrespect. Tell me about it, though. My Hawks got the number one pick.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Nobody's right. Right. I mean, the kid can play. Right.

[Bishop B]

But it's not.

[Mark Cuban]

There's a difference between being able to play and being a generational player. Right. And if you don't get a generational player, like, so you got to say there's a generational player once every four drafts. Right. So that's 25%. So you've got 21 4th, you know, an 86% chance of not getting it. So tanking isn't really the best option. But when you. When you're your ass, right, and you're tip, you're typically under the cap. Right. And so when you're under the cap, you have a chance to use your cap room to take players in to get draft picks. And getting draft picks is how you rebuild.

[Bishop B]

Yes.

[Mark Cuban]

And so, you know, if you're going to try to stop tanking, it's more about the other things that you do. Like, you know, when you see the teams that have been patient and built, teams like okc, like San Antonio, two things has got to happen. One, you want to try to collect picks, Right. So that when that draft. That's good. Happens, maybe you're there because you look how they get Tatum and Jay Brown, you know, and so how did they get Wemby? Right. They had the fifth worst record and they ended up with Wemby. You know, you got to be a little bit lucky, and then you got to maybe make a lucky trade, like, you know, PG for sga. Yeah, you got to be lucky.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And so it. It's not so much about how do you get the worst record, it's what are the tools you have to rebuild. And as long as you let teams collect 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 number ones, teams are going to do all they can to stay underneath the cap.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

If you say you can only be under the cap for two years.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

You'll see everybody change behavior completely and all that'll change.

[Young Nacho]

That's true.

[Bishop B]

Now, I asked you this question because they've been implemented this year. They're starting to. Is this new what they're doing, like, going to interview the teams or the training staff to see if players are actually.

[Mark Cuban]

No, that's been around. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Bishop B]

It's been around for a long time.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

It's just more flagrant now just because of how.

[Mark Cuban]

Well, not this year, because I just think the league's under a lot of pressure. And shout out to Adam Silver, man, he's had to put up with a lot of shit this year. Oh, my God. I mean, you know, and he's done a good job. Right. You might not agree with everything he's done, but to be able to lead all that is not easy. And so he deserves a lot of credit. And I just think, you know, all, all that stuff adds up, the gambling stuff and the players and all that. And then, you know, people talking about tanking and it just adds up, adds up, adds up. And then you got to respond at some point because it just gets to you. And so I think it's not that this year is different, even though it's a good draft class. It's just that I just think he just reached his limit, you know. But I don't think changing the odds for draft picks is going to change anything because like I saw one, okay. The bottom 10 teams all get a 6% chance. People are going to take more because anybody else.

[Bishop B]

Right.

[Mark Cuban]

And so, you know, he's got a tough job and, and I get him credit for just trying to grind it out. We get the next year and it's not as good as draft, but the other part of it is dudes are just better coming into the league now. I mean, the skill set. Would you agree? Except for your year, of course. 2009.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. I mean, I think guys, I think it was really good guys, but like I think this draft has some special players. But previous drafts, not, not as much. Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. But I just think guys are getting better because like when you were growing up, you watch games on tv.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Cuban]

Right. You don't really have the Internet to do all that stuff.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Now anybody puts something out on Instagram or TikTok or YouTube, every 12 year old, 13 year old, 14 year old is trying to copy. So you see handles like in 12 year old games, right, where guys are doing it like you know, doing the sham God and everything like it's nothing. And guys, you know, back in the day didn't have that type of hand.

[DJ Wells]

No, that's a fact. That's a good point.

[Young Nacho]

You got things that's like ote we go to ot. How little, little kids feel about them all.

[Mark Cuban]

It is. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

They're paying attention and OT is just. They announced today they're making a change. They're going some more of two prep schools, I believe instead of a league.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, they're not done doing the league anymore.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, they're focused more on it cost

[DJ Wells]

a little bit to run that thing.

[Mark Cuban]

I bet it did. I'm just saying that's exactly what I told them when they came and asked me for investment like years ago. I said that's going to be expensive. It's hard to make money doing the league. Right. And it's just when you're dealing with little kids like that. Yeah, it's their parents, man. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

So O.C. came to you to be the Shark Tank, man, that is hilarious.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. I mean, they reached out to a lot of people. I just didn't see it. But they're killing. I mean, apparently they're making a lot of money, so.

[Young Nacho]

No, they're doing their thing, for sure.

[DJ Wells]

We was talking about generational talent. You got a chance to draft Luca, Right. And did you know he was generational? When y'.

[Mark Cuban]

All. We hope, but we didn't know. You never know.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

You never know.

[DJ Wells]

But when you watch the film, did you like. Yeah, this. This guy.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, we had like. Like, we knew we had a chance to be a starter and to be good because he. He was ballsy, man. He. He was fearless.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And that's half the battle. And. But you still don't know. Like, I remember watching him play at 16 against okc and him going right by Russ. But it's, you know, NBA versus Real Madrid. You don't know how hard the guys are trying. There's no preparation. The rules are different and all that, but, I mean, we gave up a pick and traded up to get them. And, you know, we hoped. But then I remember going. We went to China for our first preseason games, and I was sitting with Sean Marion and Steven Jackson. And the whole game I'm like, what do you think? Because I'm terrified, right? Because you don't know. And they're like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then guys in practice would say. And you'd watch him practice every game he'd win as a rookie. And so you knew he was special.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

You just didn't know how special.

[DJ Wells]

We played him early in the season that year, and they had me guard him. Cause he was the point guard. I'm like, what the hell am I gonna do with this dude, bro? He's £245.

[Mark Cuban]

He's huge.

[DJ Wells]

He was just posting me up. Pump fake layup, just slow.

[Mark Cuban]

And you think you could just stay in front?

[Young Nacho]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

I went straight to Wes Matthews.

[Bishop B]

I got you, buddy.

[DJ Wells]

I got you. We gonna stay on this perimeter.

[Bishop B]

So I wanna ask, what's that conversation like with the Hawks when y' all prepare to make that trade? Like, were they looking into them as well? Obviously, it's one of the. But I know people try to give it judgment, but the Trey Young, Luca, Trey Two All Stars, hella accomplished on both sides. But what's that conversation like?

[Mark Cuban]

They. It went down to the last minute. Like, literally, you got 15 minutes between picks in the first round, and we were down to, like, four, five, six minutes left, and we were at five, and the Hawks were at three. And I called the Hawks owner, and I'm like, our general managers aren't getting this done. You know, whatever it is you want to do. Can you get your general manager to call ours and make a decision? And they said they decided they wanted Trey, and so we threw in a first, and the rest is history.

[Young Nacho]

Damn, man.

[Mark Cuban]

But it was down to the wires. Down to the wire.

[Young Nacho]

That wasn't bad, though. Overachieved, actually, in atl.

[DJ Wells]

Trey Brown, one of my favorite players of all time. But Lucas and I just sometimes we talking about magic, thinking night, boy. Imagine that with Lucas.

[Bishop B]

Boy, that was a fair generation. Picture Lucas to build the statue.

[DJ Wells]

Been standing next to each other already, bro. It's all good.

[Bishop B]

Hey, give us.

[Young Nacho]

What's your favorite Mavs team, man?

[Mark Cuban]

My favorite Mavs team? Yeah. 2011, obviously, when we won. Yeah, that was.

[Young Nacho]

That's your favorite squad?

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

I heard the party was unreal.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah. That's why I kind of, you know, let it.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, we had a good time. We had a good time.

[Young Nacho]

He's. Look at him. He's excited.

[DJ Wells]

I was. I wish I was on that team. He ain't trade for me,

[Mark Cuban]

you know?

[Young Nacho]

Well, what was that night like, though,

[Mark Cuban]

man, if we were at live, right? Oh, yeah, Because Jason Terry took over. That was like, okay, we're getting these buses. We're all going to live. I'm like, cool, let's go. And everybody had family and everything. We just went there and tore it up. And then one of the owners, maybe, or whoever came up to me, and they're like, hey, we got this $140,000 bottle of champagne. And Dirk is right there. He goes, yes. And so I'm like, okay, whatever. I mean, I'm feeling no pain. I get out my black, and I give. Give him the card. And then Dirk, 10 minutes later, like, where is it? Right Then I get a tap on the shoulder. They're like, Mr. Cuban, hey, come here. And so I got to go to the back of the office. My card got declined. And you know how when you get a new card, you got to sign it all in? I hadn't done that yet. And so I had to get on the phone, and, like, they weren't going to approve it, so I Get on the phone, call amex. And they're like, I'm sorry, sir. I'm like, did you watch TV today? Did you watch basketball? The finals today? You know? Do you not know? And then can I talk to your manager? And they finally approved it. And yeah, the pictures are great of us. Just huge bottle them.

[Bishop B]

Your face going to client with MX is crazy, cuz. Like, I'm Mark Cuban.

[Young Nacho]

At least.

[Mark Cuban]

I think credit cards cut up before the past. I've been.

[Bishop B]

At least they did their job.

[Mark Cuban]

They were nice.

[Young Nacho]

They were nice.

[Bishop B]

Look, Lewinsky, man, I'm cool, man. We'll get it back.

[Mark Cuban]

Come on. Put up your car now.

[Bishop B]

We're talking about you getting the chip now in 06. What was that feeling like, man?

[Young Nacho]

Smoked that one more.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, we up. Yeah. They got a little help, though. I'm not gonna lie. But I'll tell you. I'll tell you where it went. South. I remember, like, we're. It's third quarter, we're up like 14, and I'm standing up thinking, thinking, oh, we might sweep these guys. And I jinxed us immediately when I thought that. Right. Not two seconds later, UD steals the ball, goes in and cuts the lead a little bit. Two minutes later, Shaq pushes Eric Dampier. Our standard pushes the shit out. They call the foul on damp. I'm thinking, shaq's not going to make these. Swish, swish. Right? And then the whole series just went south from there. We don't win another game.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah. D. Wade looked unreal.

[Mark Cuban]

Bennett Salvador was crazy. I've never seen anybody drive like Bennett did.

[Bishop B]

Oh, man.

[Mark Cuban]

And I just, you know, whatever, it's gone. It's like forever ago, 20 years ago. That's crazy. But it's still fun to with them.

[Bishop B]

Is there any free agents that. Or any situations you almost had but fell through last minute that you was working on?

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. I mean, obviously, DeAndre Jordan.

[Bishop B]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Was kind of a cluster kidnap. Yeah. And then the other one was we had to make a decision. I thought we were going to get Dwight Howard.

[DJ Wells]

Oh.

[Mark Cuban]

And that was the same year that Giannis came out. And so we. Because we had been talking to his agent and made us think that, okay, we've got a really, really good shot, but if we drafted right where we could have gotten Giannis, we wouldn't have had enough cap room. So we had to trade down to try to free up some cap room. And we were hoping that Giannis would fall, and he didn't. And we didn't get Dwight Howard, didn't Happen. Didn't get Giannis, you know, but if we had gotten him, we never would have gotten Luka, you know? Cause it would have been. We never would have been in that draft position.

[Young Nacho]

True, true. So I worked out how it's supposed to. You got the better player.

[DJ Wells]

That's debatable.

[Young Nacho]

We're here.

[DJ Wells]

Giannis is a champion.

[Young Nacho]

Huh?

[Mark Cuban]

It wasn't Giannis's team, It was my team.

[Young Nacho]

Yes.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

I carry Giannis.

[Mark Cuban]

Carry the glass.

[DJ Wells]

Crazy.

[Young Nacho]

So if you got both of them in the draft, you taking Giannis. Both of them are all Paul's. That's crazy. Excuse my. Excuse my language. Excuse my language.

[Bishop B]

It's a filming show.

[DJ Wells]

I probably would take Giannis and Luke early.

[Young Nacho]

This is before, though.

[DJ Wells]

You're saying like. I'm saying. Oh, you're saying in the draft I would took Luca.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

See, we didn't know.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. Because all we had Giannis, we had like, literally. I remember sitting in the war room and we had two VHS tapes.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Of this kid that looks like he's 12 years old. Six, 11, playing against guys who look like they were 12 years old in a Greek league. So you don't really know. But our scouts were like, like, yeah, he's the real deal. He's the real deal.

[Bishop B]

VHS at that time period, because it was still like mid to. Yeah. That's crazy.

[DJ Wells]

He was playing a super low level. Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Like the second or third level in

[DJ Wells]

the basement in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Young Nacho]

I remember you talking.

[Bishop B]

The fact that they had him on Tuck like that and still didn't get him is crazy because they was.

[DJ Wells]

They were supposed to trade with the Mask. Y' all got Luke, Shane, Larkin. Yeah, they. It was whoever the pick was.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, we were 12, I think.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. They wanted to trade two picks. We ended up getting Schroeder and a dude named Luca. I forgot his tall. Yeah, long. Carries like 6. 9. 6, 10. But we was supposed to trade both of those picks to whoever. Maybe Milwaukee. It might have been Milwaukee. But we didn't trade him.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, they won.

[DJ Wells]

They was like, Ah, damn.

[Young Nacho]

Crazy.

[Mark Cuban]

That's what we thought he was going to drop. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Danny Ferry was hot.

[Mark Cuban]

Wow.

[DJ Wells]

He was steaming.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, Danny Ferry was your guy yet?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, he was.

[Mark Cuban]

Let me tell you my Danny Ferry story, please.

[Young Nacho]

And so that was not his guy, by the way.

[DJ Wells]

He was a gm.

[Mark Cuban]

Not my guy either.

[DJ Wells]

We on the same page, bro.

[Bishop B]

Apparently.

[Mark Cuban]

Nobody about. I forget what year it was. Maybe 2009, maybe. We had a trade for Paul Pierce.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Mark Cuban]

Done. Absolutely done.

[DJ Wells]

Wow.

[Mark Cuban]

And our GM had Worked out with Atlanta where we were going to give them a pick for some. You know, we were going to do a trade so that we can gross up the numbers, right? And it was a trade that Danny Ferris, he agreed to, right? And then he gets on the trade call and realizes we're trading for Paul Pierce. Says, no, don't. You got to throw in a first round pick in order for us to okay this. And we didn't have. We couldn't do it.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

So shout out to Danny,

[Bishop B]

history of up people's name.

[DJ Wells]

Definitely ma. Paul Pierce.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

I heard you almost traded for Kobe, too.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, that was 2007. Kobe was ready to get out.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And I was on Dancing with the Stars. Google me. I didn't win. But in any event, there was a dude named Elvis who was a production assistant, right? And he was just. Kobe, love everything. Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe. And in between breaks, I'd be like, elvis, I need a quiet spot. And I would talk to Rob Pelinka, his agent at the time, and he's like, okay, if you can get Dr. Buss to approve. And I talked to Dr. Buss and he was ready to do it. It was like two first, Josh Howard and Jason Terry and for Kobe. And I thought, okay, this is done. And I told Elvis, this is done. I went to practice in my jive or whatever. And then we got a call from Rob that, oh. Oh, what the. Who's the. Mitch Cupcheck. Right. Had talked Kobe out of it.

[Young Nacho]

Wow.

[Mark Cuban]

That close.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Mark Cuban]

And I. I was telling Dirk the whole time, keeping up. He goes, you can trade me. I would trade me for Kobe too.

[DJ Wells]

Right?

[Mark Cuban]

And I'm like, no, the whole point, Dirk, you know

[Young Nacho]

what he did with pal.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

It would have been unstoppable.

[Bishop B]

So that makes the em. That tweet that much funnier because he was trying to be a man.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, no talk. And I would give him all the time. That was back in the day when you could literally just give people shit on Twitter or whatever or say something and it would be cool. But yeah, the embassy. That thing was like, yeah, that was a classic.

[Bishop B]

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[Bishop B]

you give me some cool points. I told you being on this show today, man. Shout out to my mom, Deuce, my family, Shark Tank. One of the best TV shows of all time.

[DJ Wells]

For sure.

[Mark Cuban]

Say that again.

[Bishop B]

One of the best TV shows of all time. You see people. People get a lot of money on there. We're seeing a lot of people turn away some bad chicken. Shout out to the people who turned

[DJ Wells]

down the 30 million.

[Mark Cuban]

They did not turn that thing down.

[DJ Wells]

That's not what we're talking about.

[Mark Cuban]

No, it was the people. The day. It was a dating app. I forget the name of it. And they were on there and they wanted a $30 million valuation. I thought they were just there for the commercial. Yeah, I thought they were just, you know, they're just to get people to sign up.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And so I was like, so if I gave you 30 million, would you say yes? Yes. And they took just that part and sliced it and diced it and put it on YouTube and sent it around to make it seem like I gave them a $30 million offer. If they would have said yes, I would have, like, run out the back. Like, no chance.

[Young Nacho]

What day name was it?

[Bishop B]

Shout out to them.

[DJ Wells]

I don't know. Familiar, but I never been on a day yet.

[Young Nacho]

Christian.

[DJ Wells]

I don't know. Got you.

[Bishop B]

Richard Mingle. That's a wicked site.

[DJ Wells]

Wicked site. Respect.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to everybody thing.

[DJ Wells]

But he got you.

[Young Nacho]

Sure. N. So how was that, though, being on Shark?

[Mark Cuban]

I love it, man. I loved it. Because, you know, the best part about it is everybody watched. Families watched together, kids watched. And so, you know, I did it because I wanted people to believe that the American dream was alive and well, that when someone came on that carpet, they could be from Idaho, Iowa, wherever. And if they had a decent idea and had a start to a business, we could help them out and grow some real businesses. And we did. I mean, like, have you guys heard of dude wipes?

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Shark Tank.

[DJ Wells]

Come on.

[Mark Cuban]

Come on.

[DJ Wells]

I knew you Shark Tank.

[Mark Cuban]

Like, I gave them 250 grand, I think, for 20% yeah. And now they're. They're worth at least a half a billion dollars.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Mark Cuban]

Have you ever heard of Beatbox beverages?

[Bishop B]

No.

[Mark Cuban]

They're. They're like a. You've already. You're cool, right?

[Young Nacho]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

And so they're like a alcoholic seltzer. And they just sold to Budweiser for 670 million, I think wow. Was the final number. And I bought a third of them for a million dollars. Now, I got diluted down, but it still was nice.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar. Yeah, I seen the 7 11s.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, they're everywhere. Were those guys killed it crazy, bro. Yeah, yeah.

[Bishop B]

They're right next to the wild Irish rose at the 711 with a 670 valuation.

[Mark Cuban]

Right next to the 2020 for sure.

[Bishop B]

Mark.

[DJ Wells]

Don't tell me you invest in that now.

[Mark Cuban]

I gave them their start.

[Young Nacho]

What. What flavor? What flavor?

[Mark Cuban]

It didn't matter.

[DJ Wells]

They all.

[Mark Cuban]

Let me just tell you, when I was at. Right there was. That was the plan, right? It was like three or four dollars for a bottle and you just chug it and then you wait about 15 minutes and you just saved about 60 bucks.

[Young Nacho]

We used to mix all of them together.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, man.

[Bishop B]

While we here and be here Final Four weekend, you might as well talk about the legendary road trip to Houston, Texas for the Butler Final Four.

[Young Nacho]

Oh, yeah.

[Bishop B]

What was the pregame drink?

[Young Nacho]

What was the few. And I had some orange Mad Dog, too.

[Bishop B]

So.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, he didn't make it to the game.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah, that was in 2012 too.

[Mark Cuban]

You know sommelier when you do mad dog 2020 orange and all the different flavors. What was the other? Not Southern Comfort.

[Bishop B]

Oh, so.

[Mark Cuban]

No, no, no, no. It's the wine.

[Young Nacho]

Carlos Rossi.

[Mark Cuban]

No, it was same anyway. Same type of stuff. Right. Okay. Bottom. But yeah. I mean, when you're broke, it was just like.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah, man.

[DJ Wells]

I never had his first real drink.

[Young Nacho]

Was like Grey Goose.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

I didn't Dr. 22.

[Mark Cuban]

Good for you.

[DJ Wells]

I was in the NBA.

[Mark Cuban]

Good for you.

[Young Nacho]

I don't know about all that, but. Yeah, that's a story.

[DJ Wells]

We weren't going to the league, so

[Bishop B]

we got took care of. We started probably right on time.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, my God, man.

[Bishop B]

What a time period, man. Bloomington, Indiana, totally different. I imagine, like, football season this year is going to be insane.

[Mark Cuban]

Like, you can't even get tickets.

[DJ Wells]

I say it's going to be sold out.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, it's all sold out already. It's going to be wild. I mean, it's. But the difference is now the pressure is going to be on.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Because now repeating. Getting there was amazing. Repeating is a job that's. That's the hardest job in all the sports. Once you've won.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

You guys know, right? You know or you didn't. Didn't get to find out, did you?

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah, look at. Hey, I got a curse on them right now. They can't. Until they bring me back, Milwaukee won't win.

[Mark Cuban]

Right.

[DJ Wells]

I told him

[Bishop B]

you a little bit.

[Mark Cuban]

Even get Yana to come back home.

[DJ Wells]

Yana said, I don't want to play no more, man.

[Young Nacho]

That's insane.

[Mark Cuban]

But, yeah, it's going to be hard getting guys to come back, but, you know, now you're going to get players.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Young Nacho]

That's a good thing.

[Mark Cuban]

I'm sure.

[DJ Wells]

Y got a bunch of five stars now, at least.

[Mark Cuban]

No, you know what? I would be surprised. I don't know the answer, but I would be surprised if we don't have a lot because, you know, I still think if you chase the most expensive free agent.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

That kind of distorts everything in the locker room, because you've been in a locker room where some guy got a lot more money than anybody expect.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

You know, and that just, like, changes the balance.

[DJ Wells]

I love Ken Bates more, but I remember that day.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. When he got paid. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

I said, man, you got 70 million.

[Mark Cuban]

He got chicken.

[DJ Wells]

I was like, you just came off the bench.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah. Right.

[Bishop B]

Everything got to Mike Conley Jr. Right. Naptown legend,

[Mark Cuban]

right. That was one of the guys we were going.

[DJ Wells]

Y' all was going after Mike.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Like, I brought him on my jack. His dad played us like a fiddle.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, my God, I remember that.

[Young Nacho]

He from N. Baby,

[Bishop B]

we go get that chicken at all times.

[Young Nacho]

Fed him good. Everything, huh?

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Hit you with that open.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

We're gonna go back to Memphis.

[Bishop B]

So did you see the. The Wo's mom? Like, damn.

[Mark Cuban]

No, because I knew it was coming, right? I. Yeah, I wasn't thinking. Damn, it was a lot worse because now all of a sudden, when you don't got the guy that you wanted, now you still got to fill the hole or do whatever you got to do. And that year. That was the same year KD went to the Warriors. The money was insane. That's when, you know, centers were getting. Who was that? LA Center, Moscow. Yeah. Yeah. Got paid. All those guys were getting crazy. And we went and we signed like, you know, we got Wes Matthews and. And Harrison Barnes and a couple other guys. So we tried to spread it out. Traded for Bogut. And that was. That was my biggest Mistake year. Because that was the, the year I thought, okay, we're going to be good. And we started with a full squad. We started off 3 and 15. And so at that point, you know, you just had to break it up and trade all these guys. And it wasn't happy, but it was, was what it was.

[Bishop B]

So at one point I asked you this question. Do you wait like far enough in the season, like maybe All Star break? Or at one point you'd be like, all right, right, this ain't working. We gotta, we gotta save this chicken. Is there like a time period you give it like 10 games, 20 games

[Mark Cuban]

or just like 3 and 15? Kind of tells you. Depends, Right? But it's like when, when guys get released before March 1st, when you know is the last day before you're going to add to a playoff team. Yes, sir. Like if you're guys are only going to add a guy to a playoff caliber team if they're good. Right. So you're, you're effectively. The trade deadline is the day where you've got to make your final decision. Who you're keeping, who you're getting off of. And now with the second apron, it's 10 times harder because it just, it just changes all the economics. And to make matters worse, you got contracts that were signed during the last CBA that kind of distort your cap for this cba. And so that's why you see a lot of crazy things. And I think it's even going to get crazier next year and then all those old contracts will be off.

[Bishop B]

Okay, well, so I want to ask you this. Obviously, with the expansion teams getting approved, if you had a chance to run either the new team in Vegas or Seattle, which one would you choose?

[Mark Cuban]

Vegas. I mean, I like Seattle, but Vegas?

[Young Nacho]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Mark Cuban in Vegas. Sign me up. Sign me up.

[Mark Cuban]

It'll be interesting to see how much they get, you know, because there's a, there's a number where it's too much. Not so much from the league's perspective. They want the most they can possibly get. And I understand that, you know, with the ownerships, owners and everything, but you got to be able to make money at some point, you know, and it's hard.

[DJ Wells]

What you think would be too much?

[Mark Cuban]

I think 10 will be too much. Nine or 10 would be too much.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Mark Cuban]

Six, seven, eight. Because the teams that have gotten in that range have been Boston and LA. And Boston and LA still have local TV deals. Like the Mavs. We had an $80 million a year TV deal local don't disappeared.

[Young Nacho]

Oh yeah, see that's fine.

[DJ Wells]

Dang.

[Bishop B]

Like I didn't even have to say in the situation was because it was a new.

[Mark Cuban]

They went out of business. No, all the local RSN regional sports networks toast like the last one just went out of business. This week gone. Now the NBA will come up with some ways to connect all the teams together for local broadcast. But you're not going to get the same amount of money as was back in the day.

[Young Nacho]

Never know though. Depending on what store go over there might shake up the league man. Big names might go to both of them cities.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, but you still like for local tv? Just the TV business. That's why. Look at you guys, right. You guys get more people watching and listening than you know, most TV shows which you never would have thought of 10 years ago.

[Young Nacho]

That's true.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

They gonna be bad for a couple years though.

[Mark Cuban]

I don't know.

[DJ Wells]

You don't think?

[Mark Cuban]

No.

[DJ Wells]

You don't think.

[Mark Cuban]

Because that second apron stuff like think of all the old max contracts.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

That guys will put teams will put out there and those teams will still have to get to the minimum salary level the floor. And so you know, you take a couple of those big contracts, put them together, knowing that they're going to burn off after a year or two and you're going to have a good pick at least the first year or two for sure.

[DJ Wells]

But it's going to be some old guys like not to like, you know, disrespect him, but like Paul George would be like a name like with his contract.

[Mark Cuban]

Paul George, Zach Levine. Right, those guys. But. But they can still hoop. Yeah, they can still hoop. You're just not. Those aren't going to be the first guys you would go after. Right. Like you might when they were younger.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bishop B]

I know this is absolutely impossible, but how funny would it be if they put them in the same draft and say since they're supplemental teams, they get the number one and number two pick and piss everybody off the table.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh no, they can't do that.

[Bishop B]

That would be hilarious.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, cuz remember the owners got to vote on it.

[DJ Wells]

Nobody's voting for that of the world.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah, right.

[Young Nacho]

Can't have Vegas starting off trash, bro.

[Mark Cuban]

You le got think about they got that hockey team. They won like didn't they? I don't know if they won the champions.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, but you got to think about when Toronto came. They were cheeks bro.

[Bishop B]

No, but Toronto shout out to mighty mouth baby bro.

[Young Nacho]

They were horrible.

[DJ Wells]

They were horrible.

[Young Nacho]

The grizzlies Horrible. Like, respect. But I'm saying, Vegas, we need John Moran, bro.

[Mark Cuban]

At least you'll probably be out there in an expansion gr.

[DJ Wells]

I love John.

[Bishop B]

I don't want John.

[Mark Cuban]

John Vegas.

[DJ Wells]

I don't want John Vegas.

[Mark Cuban]

I don't know him very well.

[Bishop B]

I would say to bounce back, strong man. We don't need. We don't need John. Live and live, man. We don't need that down.

[DJ Wells]

Y' all crazy.

[Young Nacho]

I wanted to ask, what was your worst investment that you regretting? Any regrets?

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, my God. I've had a bunch of them. I've had investments where I trusted people and took them at their word and lost 5, 8, $10 million. But, you know, but that was my style. And it's worth. Worked other places where I did, you know, hundreds or billions or whatever. And so, you know, it balances out. As long as your mistakes are smaller than your. Yeah. As long as the math works, I'm happy carrying one.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah.

[Mark Cuban]

Like. Like, I've had companies that have just emailed me, and I still haven't met them where I've met them once, and they've made me hundreds of millions of dollars.

[DJ Wells]

Wow.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. As long as the I. The company mail.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. I ain't got no emails.

[Young Nacho]

Watch it spell like, there's a bunch of gift cards.

[Mark Cuban]

There's this company, Synesthesia, that does, like, AI avatars that I invested in when AI, even before AI was a thing, and I gave them, I don't know, a million dollars for 20. No. Probably 30% of the company. I've been diluted since. But they just did a deal that valued them at $4 billion. And, you know, my stuff is worth 400, you know, and so all that covers. And I've got a couple deals like that. So. Yeah, it's.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah, say less.

[Mark Cuban]

I.

[DJ Wells]

That sound.

[Mark Cuban]

Get it right? No, I get it Crazy.

[Young Nacho]

Basically, you saying, them bad investment, we up.

[DJ Wells]

Never a bad

[Bishop B]

it. Either I win or I write it off. Would you ever.

[DJ Wells]

Would.

[Young Nacho]

Would you ever break a deal through email?

[DJ Wells]

Oh, me? Hell no. I got to see you. I got to shake your head.

[Mark Cuban]

I don't know question to ask him, though, because I've been doing. It's like Shark Tank, right? Yeah. If they don't give me the right answers, it's not like, hey, you tell me something. I just believe you.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, for sure.

[Mark Cuban]

Like, I was like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And, like, because I'm technical, I can get into the details. And most of these are tech deals. And so if you can't Give me the right answer.

[Daniel Cormier]

Answer.

[Mark Cuban]

There's no chance. If you give me the right answer, then there's a chance.

[Bishop B]

Now you talk about some of the successes, some of the falls. Is there a tech company or one of those startups that you didn't. Wasn't sold on, a little nervous about. They end up going crazy. You're like, man, I missed out on them.

[Mark Cuban]

Uber.

[Bishop B]

Oh, wow.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. So the guy who started Uber, Uber had a business before and I invested in that.

[DJ Wells]

Okay.

[Mark Cuban]

And I was one of the first people he came to for with Uber, Uber Cabin. And I kind of over negotiated, I wanted to invest and somebody else, I went shark tank on him and kind of, you know, try to negotiate the valuation and he got somebody else who didn't care what the valuation was and just gave him all the money and he walked me, ghosted me and boom.

[Young Nacho]

Damn, Mark.

[Mark Cuban]

Yeah. God, I could be rich.

[Bishop B]

I love how we all.

[DJ Wells]

Damn, that's crazy. That is.

[Bishop B]

Be here. If we lose a 5,6 million deal, I gotta know where somebody lives.

[DJ Wells]

Won't see me no more. Shy, shy something.

[Bishop B]

FDO. FDO. All right, man. Before we get out of here, Mr. Final Four, who you got taking the chip?

[Mark Cuban]

Man, I'm going. As much as I don't like Illinois, I'm going with Illinois.

[Bishop B]

Okay.

[Mark Cuban]

Right. Just cuz they got the 40 year old and I think, you know, when you have six kids, you've been through it all, got the advantage.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, they got a team full of can't go backs for sure, man. Can't go back.

[DJ Wells]

I got Michigan.

[Bishop B]

You want with Michigan?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I got Michigan, man. Playing the best all year.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, they got a solid squad.

[Young Nacho]

I want to see Brayand do it, man. I'm just taking the home team.

[Bishop B]

You got one man shout to Yukon. I want Darren Hurley to hit but another ref so it all cost. Is that not crazy?

[Mark Cuban]

How do you get away with that?

[Young Nacho]

He was part of the game.

[DJ Wells]

He was turned up.

[Young Nacho]

Yeah, but still he was cheating. He was cheating.

[Mark Cuban]

He was cheating.

[Young Nacho]

He was cheating. The ref was cheating, bro.

[Mark Cuban]

That the same one that let the travel go right in front of him, right?

[DJ Wells]

Travel though.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, we traveled like a mug. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

If you could have got a head off a Salvatore.

[Mark Cuban]

If that would have been me on the losing end like it was a Mavs game. Oh, I would like. They'd be finding me.

[Young Nacho]

Got into it real bad with a ref.

[Bishop B]

Oh, yeah, you see the April Fool's?

[Mark Cuban]

Oh my God, they just played that one. Oh my God, that was so much fun. And we told all the coaches. We got approval from the referees before we did it. Yeah, but Del Harris, who's one of our assistant coaches back then, didn't get the memo. They was freaking out, but I could hear the crowd going with it. Oh, it was so much fun.

[Young Nacho]

Y' all almost gave Dale a heart attack.

[Mark Cuban]

Oh, my God.

[Bishop B]

We had to search how old Dale Harris was after that clip.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Cuban]

He didn't have gray hair before the clip.

[Bishop B]

Oh, listen, man. Mr. Cuba, we appreciate you blessing us, man. This has been a great episode, man. Long time coming, man. Glad we can make this happen before we get out here. Be here. Tell the people they can grab some merch, man.

[Young Nacho]

Shopclub520.com Baby, we gotta get you some merch, too.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, yeah, we got you. We gotta take care of you, man. Listen, man, great episode. Shout out to Boost Mobile. Shout out to StockX. Shout out to Hard Rock. Bet the lays to get you paid, man. Shout out to be here. We appreciate y'. All. We'll catch y' all next time. Club 520 the volume

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[DJ Wells]

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