Club 520 - Matt Barnes on guarding Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul-Blake Griffin Clippers BEEF, Warriors

Summary

Club 520 Podcast – Matt Barnes on Guarding Kobe, Clippers Drama, Warriors Legacy & More

Date: September 22, 2025
Hosts: Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, Bishop B Henn
Special Guest: Matt Barnes

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Overview

In this episode, former NBA star Matt Barnes joins the Club 520 crew for an unfiltered conversation live from Las Vegas. The discussion covers Barnes’s storied NBA journey—memorable moments guarding legends like Kobe Bryant, his time with iconic teams (the We Believe Warriors, Lob City Clippers, Lakers), inside perspectives on infamous team beefs (Chris Paul vs. Blake Griffin), reflections on NBA culture past and present, coaching youth in today’s AAU scene, and the rise of player-led media (All The Smoke). The episode is peppered with behind-the-scenes stories, sharp NBA analysis, and a lot of genuine laughs.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Kobe Bryant’s Two-Way Legacy

[07:14–09:28]

• Jeff and Barnes debate Kobe's defensive accolades.
• Barnes notes while people don't usually associate Kobe with elite D, his resume is staggering:

  “When you think of Kobe Bryant, you don't think about as the best two way player ever, but literally his stats say he's the best two way player ever.” – Matt Barnes (07:54)

• The group puts Kobe alongside MJ as the standard for two-way greatness, while mentioning Kawhi, AD, and Pippen with notes about their lesser offensive roles or health.

2. Behind the Scenes: Guarding NBA Superstars

[14:21–16:09]

• Barnes shares how he transitioned from a guard to a power forward at UCLA, giving him the defensive versatility that made his NBA career.

• “Every single night, I got to guard the best player on the other team... Mellow one night, Kobe, KD, Bron, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce, TMac... I took that challenge.” – Matt Barnes (14:51)

• On defending top scorers:

  “If you get killed, you get killed—they’re the best player in the league. But if you stop them, you look amazing.” – Matt Barnes (15:35)

• The pain of defending lesser names: if they cook you, it’s worse than getting torched by a star.

3. We Believe Warriors Run & Smoking with Woody Harrelson

[13:36–22:03]

• Barnes reminisces about the underdog “We Believe” Warriors, misfits banding to upset Dallas.
• The team’s party after clinching: smoking weed at their coach’s house with Woody Harrelson:

  “We went back and smoked weed with Woody Harrelson at our coach's house. And then we hit the streets. That's a post game.” – Matt Barnes (20:30)

• Oracle Arena memories: the “trap house” atmosphere, literal clouds of weed smoke.

4. Life with the Warriors Superteam & Lob City Clippers Beef

[17:36–19:03]; [45:08–46:55]

• Barnes describes being part of the KD-era Warriors juggernaut, the “cheat code” team.
• Praises Draymond as the core who empowered Steph and Klay to flourish.
• On Lob City Clippers: Talent galore but constant internal friction between CP3, Blake, and DJ.

  “We were our own worst enemies...Our superstars just butted heads...too many cooks in the kitchen.” – Matt Barnes (45:21)

• Notes Doc Rivers, well-intentioned, struggled to hold it all together, and the Austin Rivers signing brought more politics and tension.

5. Player-Led Media: The Journey of All The Smoke

[31:38–37:50]

• Barnes narrates the birth of All The Smoke—born from a desire to smoke, drink, and be candid outside “Disney-fied” ESPN restrictions.
• Pitched to Showtime by vouching for himself and Stack together:

  “They didn't want Jack. They just wanted me. I'm just like, nah, I can't. If it's not us, it's not nothing.” – Matt Barnes (33:06)

• Company quickly exploded: now a media empire with 35 employees, deals in multiple sports, and aiming for “a couple hundred million” in the future.
• Candid about inspiring other players to tell their stories and the current media landscape's thirst for authenticity over drama.

6. Changing NBA Culture: Parenting, AAU, NIL, and Social Media

[57:57–69:26]

• On being a present parent: Retired early to be with his twins, values being a dad and coaching.
• Critiques modern AAU as a money grab:

  “It's a money grab for adults now...It's not even about developing kids no more, it's about winning games, which is pointless.” – Matt Barnes (61:17)

• Concerned over kids playing too many games, lack of fundamentals, and obsession with highlight culture over real learning.
• On NIL: gives college kids life-changing money but fears it dulls hunger to “grind.”
• Social media and mixtapes give kids a delusional sense of their abilities; few actually watch full NBA games.

7. Favorite Teams & Forgotten NBA Killers

[12:17–13:36]; [30:46–31:33]

• Favorite teams: Lakers, Clippers (Lob City), Warriors (two stints; “We Believe” and KD era).
• Barnes on underappreciated tough covers: Rudy Gay and Jeff Green—huge skill, never maximized due to mentality, not talent.

8. NBA Today: Clippers, Kawhi, Western Conference Outlook

[48:11–53:25]

• Candid about Clippers’ chances: Talent is there, “Ty Lue one of the best minds,” but health and team chemistry are major questions.
• Praises Trae Young as “one of the top 2 underrated players in the league,” calls out his nightly 25-10 production.
• On upcoming West contenders: Notes surging young squads (OKC, Houston, Dallas with Cooper Flagg), while “the old guard” phases out.

9. Coaching Your Own Kids & Carrying the NBA Legacy

[66:08–69:01]

• Barnes refuses to play “daddy ball”—his kids earn minutes and status.

  “I feel like I do my kids a disservice if I play daddy ball...Everything is earned, nothing is given.” – Matt Barnes (66:12)

• Sees the new generation of NBA dads—far more involved than the old stereotype—coaching, showing up, building community.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Kobe's relentless drive:

  “He was a sicko when it came to just getting to it daily period.” – Matt Barnes (08:02)

• On defending elite scorers nightly:

  “If you get killed, you get killed. But if you stop them… you look amazing.” – Matt Barnes (15:35)

• On the Warriors’ culture:

  “When they'd get on a burner and then you throw KD in that mix… That was probably the biggest cheat code.” – Matt Barnes (17:36)

• On All The Smoke media journey:

  “A podcast of two dudes smoking weed talking turned into... a couple hundred million dollar company in the next few years.” – Matt Barnes (35:32)

• On AAU and youth basketball:

  “It's not even about developing kids no more, it's about winning games, which is pointless.” – Matt Barnes (61:17)

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Important Timestamps

• [07:14] Kobe’s defensive reputation and stats
• [13:36] We Believe Warriors, locker room stories, and team “vibes”
• [14:51] Barnes’s approach to defense, nightly challenges
• [17:36] Inside KD-era Warriors & Draymond's role
• [20:30] Smoking with Woody Harrelson after playoff win
• [31:38] Genesis and explosion of All The Smoke
• [45:08] Clippers’ internal drama, Doc Rivers challenges
• [61:17] Barnes on AAU shifting from development to winning at all costs
• [66:12] Coaching philosophy with his sons
• [69:26] How social media has shifted youth basketball culture

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Final Thoughts

This Club 520 episode is a goldmine for NBA fans, blending insider stories, candid analysis, and locker room nostalgia. Matt Barnes brings authenticity—whether breaking down Kobe’s mindset, reflecting on the dysfunction of the Clippers, or laying out the blueprint for player-driven media success. The chemistry among the hosts and their guest makes the conversation both hilarious and enlightening, offering sharp takes on the evolution of basketball, media, and mentoring the next generation.

For more stories and laughs from NBA real ones, make sure to catch the full episode.

Transcript

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[Host 1]

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[Jeff Green]

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[Matt Barnes]

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[Host 2]

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[Matt Barnes]

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[Matt Barnes]

Where are your draws?

[Host 1]

All right, man, we back another episode of Club five twenty podcast live in Vegas, man. It's only right. We got a special special guest in the building with us. You know the. You know the vibes. Going to introduce him last. To my far left. We got my dog Bishop B hitting out the pearlies. How you. What Nasty.

[Host 2]

Cool and nasty. Let's get to it, baby. Got my dog in the building.

[Host 1]

Now, listen, man, my dog Leo in the building, man. He pulled us a shot. My boy be here. You know what I'm saying? I already started off with the Sprite. You good gangster Vegas getting the best of you.

[Jeff Green]

That didn't go down as easy as Don Ortiz.

[Host 2]

Felt like I hit a cigarette.

[Host 1]

Don't put no smart on their bread like that.

[Matt Barnes]

That ain't the new point, bro.

[Host 2]

I hit a square. Nah, it's good. It's good.

[Host 1]

Now, listen, my dog got a uniform, but normally, you know what I'm saying, he in the black forces with the white laces in the mat. You done had some plays, you know what I'm saying? On that court, you definitely could have been first team, all black Air Force, about 13, 14.

[Host 2]

I got you, bro.

[Host 1]

You probably.

[Host 2]

I'm a sign. Put it behind this chair on the.

[Host 1]

Set for shows to my right. My dog, Young Nacho. Young T. Got you. What?

[Matt Barnes]

They got me sitting in this couch like I'm there in my. Like, redacting. I ain't gonna say it, but shout out to my new plug on my Adidas, man. I'm back. Welcome back to the game, man. I'm so happy to be back with the Adidas family. It took me a minute, but I'm back.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

Why y' all hating?

[Host 1]

They spinning the block, man. Shout out to Adidas, man. They making the right for my dog.

[Host 2]

For them to message you after what you did. Is that's a blessing what I do when you taped your shoes up.

[Matt Barnes]

Hey, man, respect.

[Jeff Green]

Hey, why you bringing up.

[Matt Barnes]

Oh, yeah, that pass, man.

[Jeff Green]

It's all good.

[Host 2]

We like to relive the past sometimes on here, man.

[Matt Barnes]

I do tell stories.

[Host 1]

The foundation of the show. Hey, man, listen, man, we got a special guest in the building, man. We've been waiting for this episode, man. No, he got to it on the court, man, but off the court, getting to it for sure, man. All the smoke OG podcast, man, they kind of paid away for people like us to be in this space. The one, the only, man, Mr. Matt Barnes. Big dog. We appreciate you sliding on us, man.

[Jeff Green]

Thank y' all for having me, man. I appreciate it.

[Matt Barnes]

Love, love.

[Host 1]

You good now.

[Matt Barnes]

I don't know, let's.

[Host 2]

Let's just get straight to it, though. Yeah, you know, we just. We just did your part, you know, I mean, shout out to y' all for having us on. But we left off talking about how Je said Kobe defense.

[Matt Barnes]

Hold on.

[Jeff Green]

No, no, he said he don't play. What did you say? He said something like after a while, they just started giving it to him.

[Matt Barnes]

Matt don't do that.

[Jeff Green]

Is that what you said?

[Matt Barnes]

I said voters get. It's voter fatigue. Yeah, for sure. But I was saying Kobe could play defense when he won't.

[Jeff Green]

But see, I only saw a clip, so I might have missed the context. Yeah, I was like, you know what I mean? But play defense, though. Go ahead.

[Matt Barnes]

No, I ain't saying he a play defense, but he made it, what, 11 times 12.

[Jeff Green]

12.

[Matt Barnes]

12. And he was nine times nine.

[Jeff Green]

First team, I think.

[Matt Barnes]

And I was like, when you think of Kobe Bryant, you don't think about as the best two way player ever, but literally his stats say he's the best two way player ever.

[Host 2]

He is, bro.

[Matt Barnes]

And I'm like, you don't think that. Like, you don't think he a better defender than Scottie Pippen? But the stats say. And awards say you're a better defender than.

[Jeff Green]

But I also think maybe because the scoring overshadowed with the kind of work he was putting on defense. You know what I mean? And I would agree. I mean, obviously, I think younger in his career, as he was trying to get started, he was more locking in on D because he had to be, you know what I mean? And I think as the team kind of became his and he grew, he was still locking on D. But he went and got people like Ron Artest. He went and got people like me. Like, we used to really fight because me and Ron would Take the best players. If the niggas scored two, two, three buckets. I got him, I got him. So we'd have to argue with bro. Like, no, we got it bro. You, you save all that energy for office and we'll handle this. But he was definitely a competitor, someone that just to see again playing against him for a long time and then playing on the same team as. I mean you just got to see a whole nother side of just his dedication and just how sick he was of trying to be the greatest thing he used to have. MB I got to get six. He's like, I got to be able to sit at that table with mj. Like he was so dead set on being able to get that one more ring so he could be in that table in that conversation with mj. But he was a sicko when it came to just getting to it daily period.

[Host 2]

For sure.

[Matt Barnes]

Nah, I mean I ain't say he couldn't play defense. I don't know. I wouldn't say that. I just say that the hatter, the best two way player ever. It just didn't come to mind for me. For Kobe Bryant I was like the best scorer, one of the best off.

[Jeff Green]

I mean I would put him in. MJ is probably the best two, two way players. Yeah, you say that, who else would you throw in there? I mean, obviously Scotty was great, but Scotty didn't have the offense that those guys have. Scotty had great D, but he, you know, obviously he could play offense too. But it wasn't just the, the numbers that those two had put up.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, I mean I would say Michael Jordan because. But now that they're doing his stats and stuff, his stills was kind of fake or whatever. I learned from my own stop and he'll start killing me. I'm playing.

[Jeff Green]

They said that about John Stockton. Didn't they say they was deflating his.

[Host 1]

Boy didn't take that cover shot. They said, well actually hey, half that fake. I said, damn, they hate.

[Matt Barnes]

There's no way he got that many more Assistant cp, bro. That's crazy.

[Host 2]

And Stills too, right?

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Now John Stockton went crazy.

[Jeff Green]

There used to be a little bit of home cooking for sure.

[Host 2]

Kawhi Leonard is up there too though.

[Matt Barnes]

Two way players.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah. I just think you don't get enough, get to see enough of him like Anthony Davis. You don't get to see enough of these guys on consistent level. We know when they're out there and healthy, they're incredible. They can change games. Kawhi's won Finals MVPs, but just the consistency of being able to be out there night in, night out, when you don't feel it or you're hurt or whatever the situation may be. They've got, you know, whether it's too many miles or just injuries that won't allow them to get through them, it kind of take. To me, it kind of takes them out of those conversations because you just don't get to see enough of them.

[Host 1]

We decided last week on the morning show that Kawhi Leonard is the best NBA player of all time. He's had the best NBA career of all time.

[Matt Barnes]

Sure.

[Host 1]

Because what my boy got going on right now, legendary. Uncharted waters.

[Jeff Green]

The hustle is cold. Come on. They got a plant company paying them 28 million.

[Host 2]

Tree stump, tree stump.

[Host 1]

No trees in sight, Uncle Henry, they on the way. Take a while, Papa, to try to.

[Matt Barnes]

Mess up the vibes. Buddy hating, bro. He got.

[Jeff Green]

That's what I asked my team the other day. They're like, man, that's great journalism, I think. Is life gonna be safe?

[Matt Barnes]

Like, yeah.

[Jeff Green]

Trying to blow the top off of.

[Host 1]

Hey, Uncle Dennis. He said, hey. The invoice say tap in.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, Uncle Dennis, get this right.

[Host 2]

Is that snitching, though?

[Matt Barnes]

It is.

[Host 2]

Or is a journalist just being a great journalist, doing his job? He don't got no ties to Kawhi Leonard.

[Host 1]

You said, that ain't gang.

[Matt Barnes]

You messing up the person who worked.

[Host 1]

For that company, quote, unquote. That's who snitching.

[Jeff Green]

That's the person.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

That they. They messed his. Like, they changed his. Distorted his voice so he couldn't tell who it was.

[Host 1]

Come on, man. They put the American lost wonder voice off.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah. You could tell he still had a little bit of sugar in that tank.

[Host 1]

Auto tool.

[Jeff Green]

Couldn't take it away.

[Host 2]

Can't fight it. Sometimes when they see you, it's in you.

[Jeff Green]

Ain't nothing wrong with it.

[Matt Barnes]

I'm just saying, love who you want to love.

[Jeff Green]

Too many of them dudes they got. Who. Who's whose fault? Let me hear everybody.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that's who got all the tea, though usually that community got all the tea, so it makes sense.

[Matt Barnes]

He said the trouble was coming through.

[Host 2]

He had a clock at one time. Respect.

[Host 1]

Man. You had a crazy career, man, for sure. What's one of your favorite teams that you played for, man?

[Jeff Green]

I got to. I think the California. I'm a California dude, man. Grew up in California, went to UCLA and been in California pretty much my whole life. So being able to, you know, go to ucla, play for the Lakers, play for the Clippers. That was dope. And then, you know, when I was with the Clippers, we were better than the Lakers. You know, that was that lob City team. CP, Jamal Crawford, Blake, DeAndre, JJ we had a team and they get a chance to play with Kobe and Powell and Bynum and that crew. And then the Golden State, you know, we had a crazy we believe run in 2006, 7, 8. And then to go back the other year before I retired and get a chance to play with Steph Clay and KD and Dre. You know, the interesting thing about that team was, as great as they were, is how they took our shit to the next level and, you know, put four rings on it. They were so fascinated about the way that team got down. What was so and so, like, what was it like when y' all went out, like the media, the fans, the players, it was just like a fascination about that team that almost became urban legend. Because if you think about it, all we fucking did was win the first round, second round.

[Host 1]

But you know.

[Jeff Green]

You know, that just kind of the mystique and the aura have grown from it. But, you know, I'd probably say those three teams are probably my three favorite.

[Host 1]

Man, we believe. Shit was so culture.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, yeah, it was.

[Host 1]

That was just culture. Like that mean a lot to us. The BD dunk, AK47. Come on, bro. That's history for us.

[Jeff Green]

That was a bunch of, you know, kind of misfits, so to speak. You know what I mean? I was trying to make the league at the time. You know, Jack had gotten some shootouts and some trouble in Indy and he got shipped to our team. Barron was talented but injured. Jay Rich was there, but hadn't really had no help. You know, the way we were able to kind of just come together as a young. Monte Ellis, fresh out of high school, Mississippi Bullet. I mean, and for us to kind of just bring it all together in the last. And you know, Jeff, I mean, the season really gets started after All Star. So for us to put all that together after all star and win 16 out of 22 games to make the playoffs, it was, it was a crazy run.

[Host 2]

How did you lock in on defense like that? When did. Did you come into the league Offensive?

[Jeff Green]

I kind of learned because, you know, I was a guard in, in high school. Then when I went to UCLA, we had back to back the number one recruiting classes and super loaded with all McDonald's, all Americans and five stars. So to get on the court, I had to Go down and play the power forward. And this is like when power forwards are really power forward. So I had to kind of learn how to move around down there. And then when I got to the league, I had to move back to guards because that's. That's 2002. So that's when you're really in your position. 1, 2, and 3 and 4 were all very different.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Jeff Green]

I mean, you threw the ball on the post before you shot a three. You got the rebound and threw it to the point guard so you can push the break the game, which is different. So it just kind of took me a minute to kind of readjust and find that. But I just knew I was a football player at heart, so just defensive and physicality was something that I love. But I, you know, as I kind of started hanging my hat on it, I mean, I just felt like I had the greatest job in the world. Every single night, I got to guard the best player on the other team. So that's mellow. One night, Kobe, KD, Bron, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce, TMac, you know. You know, used every single night, I was guarding that person. So that's, you know, obviously. Yeah, well, you want to score 20 or 30. But I really kind of took that challenge of. I know these guys are great scorers, but, you know, I'm make them earn everything. So that was just the mentality I went out there with.

[Matt Barnes]

I feel like great defenders got the easiest job from my standpoint, because if you get killed, person, you get killed. They're the best player in the league. But if you stop them. Yeah, you look amazing.

[Jeff Green]

Surprise. Yeah. And that was the thing. I mean, you know, Jeff, you're someone that can play offense. I mean, it's really. When you get to a certain level, defense makes a difference, but are so good.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

At the end of the day, that's.

[Matt Barnes]

All you can do. That's why I used to be like, I don't care about going my matchup. Put me on Kyrie. He gonna get 30 on everybody. But if I make him get 21, I'm like, damn, I did all right.

[Jeff Green]

Job made him work.

[Host 2]

That's his journey. You know, I never played, so I can't speak that.

[Matt Barnes]

Like TJ McConnell. No disrespect to TJ. He gave me 30. You look crazy or Delladova. Yeah. Shut the up. Yeah. Is it true he played with Brian, bro?

[Host 1]

We got the tape, Louise.

[Matt Barnes]

He probably had, like, 12. I didn't respect. That was my. That was my.

[Host 2]

You know, that Clay game When Clay Got 60 was on, bro.

[Jeff Green]

Was it? Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

I did not guard him one possession.

[Host 2]

We talking about defense, bro.

[Matt Barnes]

I didn't guard him. Not one. I didn't help. I didn't do anything.

[Host 2]

It's like highlights.

[Jeff Green]

There's no help.

[Matt Barnes]

Rules on Steph, right?

[Jeff Green]

No, you're not.

[Matt Barnes]

I was going Steph or.

[Jeff Green]

Or Clay. But what was it like seeing that and being in ao, whether it was on you or not? Like, what was it like to just see a motherfucker that unconscious, bro?

[Matt Barnes]

We. I couldn't believe it. Cause, like, we were only down, like, 14. So we, like, when we in the game and coach was like, well, somebody put a fucking hand up like we are. They was like, yeah, he got 42. We was like, what the. It's the second quarter. We like, what? And PG was like, I got him. He's like, I don't give a. I got him 60. I was like. I was just on there laughing. After a while, I just started looking for my stats. So I need 15 or 8. I was like, nate, I'm good. Take me out now. Get me out now.

[Host 2]

Any crazy games you remember playing with them?

[Jeff Green]

No more against them. Because, you know, that Lob City team. Not that we were big bros, because we never really won anything, but we were kind of the team in the Western Conference that was kind of holding. Like, we were the last team to beat him in the playoff series the year that Sterling got banned from the NBA. First they went on their run, so just to kind of see what they were on. The one thing I'll say is, like, obviously playing against them and playing with them, like, Draymond was the heart and soul of that team. And I remember before Steph was even established, when CP Was the man. He's like, man, fuck that. Like, I'm riding with Steph every day. Steph's the best point guard. And this is before Steph eventually became the best point guard. But I just think his confidence that he had and his toughness allowed those two guys to kind of play a lot freer. And they were tough, bro. They were there. They were just when they. When they'd get on a burner and then you throw KD in that mix. I mean, that was probably the biggest cheat code. And, you know, people still talk, is that one of the greatest teams, or if not the greatest team, you know, ever assembled?

[Host 1]

I feel like that's probably the greatest team of our generation. I don't see too many teams doing.

[Jeff Green]

I don't think no team in history can beat them with that set of rules. If you change the rules and you're going back to the 90s with, you know, or the 80s with the Lakers and the hand check and the pace of the game or Mike's time where you could really play lockdown defense. But with the pace and the inability to really. Yeah. Put your hands on somebody. They got too much scoring too much.

[Host 2]

I think they can be there. 01 Lakers team.

[Matt Barnes]

Come on, man. 30.

[Jeff Green]

I'm just gonna put jack and pick a rose and foul them out. You got you right. No one could guard him on the block.

[Host 1]

That's a fact. They shoot twos for threes.

[Jeff Green]

Trading two for threes, bro.

[Matt Barnes]

Steph is gonna put him in that picking right. He gonna be in that drop coverage. 11, three murder.

[Host 2]

They got big story up there. Freaky Fox ain't enough freaky fox.

[Host 1]

Shout out to the Fox.

[Matt Barnes]

He gonna earn his paycheck that day. Devin, George.

[Host 1]

They're gonna have a long day.

[Matt Barnes]

I respect them. They get torched.

[Host 1]

Kd, bro.

[Matt Barnes]

Come on, bro. He's tortured them, bro. I respect him.

[Jeff Green]

You gotta think that, like the pace they play that in general time. The pace is this up and down and you can blink and they can go on 11 nothing run in 30 seconds. I mean, so it was just. They were different.

[Host 1]

I've never seen demoralizing basketball like that. Like, we've seen MJ kill. We've seen Braun kill. But they, like you said, them runs they will have and just the entire game is over.

[Matt Barnes]

The.

[Host 1]

Especially at Oracle, the crowd yelling you out of the game in two minutes.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

That's the one thing I remember about Oracle back when we play. She smell like a dope sack. They used to smell like a trap house. That they had smoked so much weed in there while we were playing, bro. It was crazy. Even my dad, one time while we were playing. You can see the smoke cloud. You can smell it, but you can see the smoke cloud at the top of the arena. Because my dad smoked cigarettes too. Like that. What you do at halftime. I was going out there to smoke cigarettes, but everyone started smoking weed. So I just pulled my joint out and started smoking weed with him. I said, word.

[Matt Barnes]

Damn, it was cracking.

[Jeff Green]

It was blowing dope in the.

[Host 2]

This had to be the only place in the spot doing that, bro.

[Jeff Green]

In the city.

[Host 1]

Shout out to Don. Setting the vibe, bro.

[Jeff Green]

For real.

[Matt Barnes]

No.

[Jeff Green]

We smoked at our coach's house one time after we won that playoff series with. We told a story about this too. We won. We beat Dallas in. In game Six. Stack and Nelly used to live in the same condo on the lake. And Stack was like in the middle and Nelly had the whole penthouse. So we went to Jack's house and smoked first and we went up to Nelly's house to say hi before we was about to hit the streets. As soon as you walk in there, hey, fellas, Woody Harrelson's in the back rolling doobies. Go smoke with them. We're like, what the fuck this dude talking about? So we went back and smoked weed with Woody Harrelson at our coach's house. And then we hit the streets. That's a post game. That's right after the game. That was right after the game, before we hit the real game. Definitely, definitely, definitely.

[Host 2]

He didn't even care what happened next.

[Jeff Green]

Nah, he checked out, bro. Checked out. He wanted to beat Dallas so bad. We were, we were so ready for Dallas. It was crazy. But that kicked his feet up. After we beat Dallas, that was it.

[Matt Barnes]

There you go.

[Host 2]

BD was dynamic back then, bro.

[Host 1]

Come on, man.

[Jeff Green]

Too, bro. The crazy part, he had a bad back and a bad knee and he was still averaging 30. I say if Baron Davis body doesn't give out on him, he's probably easily one of the top five point guards of all time. Because strength, speed, athleticism, shot making defense, he'd have a hole in his offensive game. He would lock down on defense. He was big and strong. He's one of, one of the, you know, before Westbrook and before Derrick Rose, it was Baron dunking on everybody, you know what I mean? But his body just gave out. But still, even on. On one leg and in a bad back, he was still giving people the fits.

[Host 2]

So you only got no excuse. Oh, talking about your knees. He's talking about BD stuff.

[Matt Barnes]

Cook. Ain't nothing in there. I played 12. Yeah, ain't nothing in there. That motherfucker's gone.

[Jeff Green]

It's a grind, though. Did you heard it or just beat up?

[Matt Barnes]

I. So when I. My last year in Milwaukee, I was gonna keep playing and I was playing this dude Jordan, or Jordan Orr, I think his name, I can't remember. I was playing one on one and I heard a pop. I'm like, I think I hurt my knee, bro. He was like, what you ain't doing? I was like, yeah, I think I hurt my knee. We went and played the Pacers. I played on it and then I couldn't do nothing the next day. I'm like, man, they took me to get an mri. They was like, yeah, you need micro Fracture surgery. I was like, what man? Nobody do that no more. They was like, basically it's over. I was like, like, it's over. It's like, yeah, it's over.

[Jeff Green]

Damn.

[Matt Barnes]

It was like, you can, you know, you can rehab and give it a go. I'm cool, bro.

[Host 2]

I heard you was cold in football, bro. What made you, you know, I mean, transition.

[Jeff Green]

I grew up playing football. Yeah. I was all American, led the nation, touchdowns from the receiver position. I just, at the time, this is before the Jimmy Grahams and, and Antonio Gates and everyone was really crossing over and I was six, eight. So I didn't really see six day dudes to see how they was getting hit across the middle and what they would do after. So I was recruited by just as many schools to play football or play both. But just when I went to ucla, I decided to lock in. I had to work for basketball. Basketball wasn't like football was my natural sport. Basketball was something I had to work at. So I just had to start grinding and find my way.

[Matt Barnes]

How you do that though? Like being one of the best players in the country in football and just like, nah, I'm cool.

[Jeff Green]

Just longevity. Like I said, I didn't see, I felt. And I don't ever like to disrespect no sport because to be able to make it to the top is. You got to be. But you know, I was 6, 8, you know, 39 inch vert, ran a 437-7439.

[Host 2]

Jesus Christ.

[Matt Barnes]

He was the best receiver, Madden Pearl type.

[Jeff Green]

Really run routes, you know what I mean? So it was. And that's why, you know, I just called myself a basketball, a football player playing basketball. Once I made the NBA. Like I love physicality. I get out in the lane and finish, you know, like I'm running a route. So it was just really just transitioning that football mindset to a, you know, a basketball skill set and, and, and making it work for 14 years.

[Matt Barnes]

That's crazy, bro.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

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[Matt Barnes]

There is gonna get you drafted. Yeah, let's just go to the combine. You getting drafted?

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, I mean and after I left, you know, and was in the league, that's when dudes were that never played no football at all. Were hopping from, you know, Antonio Gates didn't play no football hop from you know, tournament to the NFL and other guys kind of follow suit. But it just wasn't really happening when I came out.

[Matt Barnes]

I understand now this foul so hard. He was a bro. His foul, he, he fouled.

[Jeff Green]

I just, you know, I can't, you know. Yeah, I grew up, I was born in 1980. So when I watched basketball, bro, I was about like, that's when was punching each other and just getting a foul for it.

[Matt Barnes]

You know what I mean? So you know when you go to shoot a floater and somebody try to like swipe it from behind, like when he swiped, you could swipe, oh shit.

[Jeff Green]

I'm gonna try to take it off I'm trying to take the head off. No, but you know, we, we came from where, you know, you don't. If they're gonna foul them, don't let them get their arms up.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

You know what I mean? And then again, having a guard cold with all them pump face. Once I got tired of the pump face, I just. You go get that at the line, bro. Damn. You just. You had to find a way to survive.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

You know what I mean? You had to find a way to survive and make you a niche. And you know, once I was able to do that, you know, the career kind of came along with it.

[Host 2]

Was that the hardest person though for you to go out in the league?

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, I missed mba. I missed MJ by a year. So I kind of feel like Kobe's skill set was, you know, obviously, you know, you look at Bron's greatness and the all time leading scorer and top five in assist and KD's effortless scoring and T Mac scoring and Paul Pierce's scoring. But Kobe was different from a attacking. Nothing was preconceived. He would look at you and how you lined up or how you're swiping at the ball and attack any weakness he saw. So it was just, it was always. It was more of a mental game than anything with him because he was gonna try to destroy you mentally and outthink you the entire game instead of depending on anything else. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Who's a name that people don't mention. That's a tough cover you came across.

[Jeff Green]

I think two guys that I think were good players had the skill sets to be great player. And I don't say that. I say with all due respect, no disrespect intended. But Rudy Gay has so much game 2k legend and then Jeff Green has so much game both them dudes on both sides of the bar. Maybe this year just nice guys. Maybe, you know, just nice guys off the rip that if they had a different mentality, I felt like they could have been. But God, I mean I didn't really, I didn't really get a chance to see like a. I was always guarding the. The number one. Really a chance for someone off the bench to come and cook or you know, obviously played with and against Jamal Crawford and. And how great he was. But I was always guarding B1 so it wasn't really worried about nobody else because I had my hands full with the one.

[Host 2]

Nah, for sure, man.

[Host 1]

You mentioned some killers right there.

[Matt Barnes]

For sure.

[Host 1]

I want to ask you this question. Obviously, you know What I'm saying, career's not all the smoke. All the smoke productions. How does that come about?

[Jeff Green]

Oh, man. We was smoking at my house today. Me and. No, me and Jack was smoking in my crib in. In Berkeley. And we were both. I just finished maybe a year out, and Jack had finished two years before me. We were doing ESPN and Fox and enjoying it. Good, good feedback. I was just like, I kind of felt at ESPN as Disney, and I've always been a habitual line stepper. I've never really fallen in line with the Disney protocol. So I was just thinking, although ESPN was great and I had a time there, wasn't really who I was. So I was just like, let's do a podcast. He's like, what's a podcast? Like, I don't know, but I know we could drink and smoke. He's like, I'm in. And then from there, hey, I speak on a DeMarcus Cousins documentary, and the producer's like, hey, I heard you want to do a podcast? Like, how you hear that? Oh, I heard. He's like, I want to meet you. Want you to meet my friend Brian Daly at Showtime. He's launching Showtime Digital. It's a basketball platform. I'm like, I don't know what that is, but cool. He flew out from New York. We sat down at a hotel in Santa Monica. I pitched them the idea. Initially, they didn't want Jack. They just wanted me. I'm just like, nah, I can't. If it's not us, it's. It's not nothing. So we kind of went back and forth with that for a little bit. They said, fine. We launched this. We didn't really know what it was because, again, I probably think Knuckleheads was maybe four to six months before we came out. No one really knew what this space was. There was no bar. There was no. There was no scouting report on. On what was going on. So we just came out and, you know, the first season we got Sports Podcast of the year. We knocked out all the cow and cowherds and all the older white dudes that had kind of been dominating the space. And from there, we were off and running. So we were there, I think we were at Showtime about three and a half, four years, and we started hearing whispers about Paramount was going to come and buy Showtime, and they didn't know if, you know, if the sports side was going to last, which was crazy to me, because as big as we were at the time. And then boxing, Showtime, Boxing was as big as it's been in years. Yeah. So when we started hearing that, you know, although people started panicking, I'm like, what? You know, I was someone too, obviously, with being the talent and, and helping create. Like, I was also the one in our first couple years negotiating our deals. So I got to see behind them, behind the curtain and learn the game. So, you know, when it was time to make a decision, like, let's start our own, I launched the company. Told Brian Daly at the time, he, you know, was figuring out what was going on, I was like, you know, once everything clears, you took a chance on us. We owe a lot to you. We got a position for you, me, Stack, and then our homeboy Jelani. And we, we launched this thing and we went live as a company the beginning of last year and signed a big deal with DraftKings. And a little bit over a year and a half now we're vertical in basketball, boxing, mma. We're just launching NFL. We're in talks with MLB to be doing some stuff with them. We're doing a political side. So it's just. It kind of caught fire. We're doing docs and scripted series. So it went from a show to an entire company and like 35 employees in our own building now, and it got real, you know what I mean? So we were able to flip, you know, flip a show into an entire company. So it's been. It's been a blessing, bro.

[Host 1]

I want to say congratulations on all that, by the way, because people don't know how hard that is to run the podcast by itself. Y' all just turned that to a juggernaut of a business, especially coming to all different sports. Yeah, that's a really hard task. So salute to y', all first and foremost.

[Jeff Green]

I appreciate it. It was dope, too. I mean, obviously we're here, here to support and watch the fight, but it was beautiful to see, like, we're here as all the smoke fight, you know. Yeah, we got Andre, Roy and Roy Jones out there, and then, you know, Akin Barack, we got our fighting and in morning combat, so we got our fighting side. And then me and Jack were kind of just in here, you know, just to show face and talk a little bit of shit. But really, this is us supporting the boxing side of our company. And. And it's crazy, you know what I mean, to think like a podcast of two dudes smoking weed talking turned into like a, you know, this will be a couple hundred million dollar company in the next few years.

[Matt Barnes]

Couple hundred million, bro. Ain't that true?

[Host 2]

Did you always see yourself in some type of media after?

[Jeff Green]

Never seen it, bro, to be honest with you. Like my first job when I retired because I invested well. So you know, when I, when we won the championship with the Warriors, I still had two years left on my deal. So when I decided to retire, I gave myself a two year window to kind of chill out and figure out what was next. And media was never on the page. My first, no, my first real thing I was adamant was about was being the shield for current players smoking weed. So I was flying back and forth, meeting with the PA and meeting with the league about understanding this plant, studying this plant. You guys are pumping us full of these pills that are masking one thing and causing long term effects and you're killing people's career because we smoke. Like you guys got to really start taking a look at that. So you know, we pushed that line for a couple years and you know, come, come bubble time they stopped testing and then they haven't tested since. So that was kind of like my first mission as a former player myself and shout out to Al Harrington, my dog over at Viola, shout out, yeah, we were really just trying to push the line and wake waking the NBA up. So I like to think that we had a small part to, to do with that. And then you know, a friend of mine just said, you know, you're so well spoken in your interviews, you should start doing media. But you got to think like my career caught the, the, the, the tail end or the beginning of social media media, like with people really speaking up and kind of doing their own thing. Like we didn't have in O2, you know, what the media said was it so, you know, my generation, we didn't really with the media. You know, there was obviously some people you respecting you were cool with, but there was a lot of people with hidden agendas and motives and with twist. So it was almost like talking to the cops. So I didn't really with the media, but my friends just like if you don't like it, help change it. Yeah, I can't change this. And there was obviously already athletes in the space, but I think when we were able to come in, show our face on the networks, but then cross over and go to this digital side and just start talking real shit. I didn't realize that we were inspiring everyone else to be like, damn if. Because we were, you know, we were both, I mean obviously Jack could put the ball in the basket better than me, but we're role player journeymen. You know what I mean, so I felt like if we could do it, that would inspire anyone else to be able to do it. And I didn't think that it would have the following and the appreciation and then just the almost the crowdedness of this space now. So, yeah, you know, we put our head down and went to work in.

[Host 1]

A small amount of time, you know, say it's almost in this situation now. It's then where become a standard that people didn't have to try. They feel like they have to tap.

[Jeff Green]

Into what's the new way people get their media. Yeah, I mean, I was talking to, you know, Big Boy. I don't know if you guys aren't from, but Big Boy, Big Boy, the dude, radio dude. I did his show the other day and he was just talking about how, you know, these companies used to pour into radio and this is how they got there. But he's just like, the money's not there no more. The money's here. You know, we're. Although we're at former athletes or whatever, like we're influencers for these brands, and they're ready to give, you know, whatever they feel you can bring back to them. You know what I mean? So it's just. It's a crazy open space and I don't look at nobody in. Whether it's basketball or sports in general. I don't look at no one as competition because I feel like we all have our different journeys and experiences and ways to tell the stories that we have been through. That to me, it's just, to me, is more. I'm a fan now, so I much rather hear Jeff and y' all speak then. I don't give a fuck how good you are at your job. If you've never done it, like, there's some stuff you're gonna miss and not understand. So I'd rather hear it as a fan. I wanna hear from someone who did it. And I think that, you know, we were fortunate enough to inspire a lot of people to be like, hey, let's go really talk our shit and tell our stories and have fun. And once you get good at this, there's real money in this space. Like, real money in this space. So I was just like, man, you're gonna pay me basketball money to smoke weed and talk shit on tv? Fuck outta here.

[Host 1]

And that's what I tell people all the time. As a journalist with a heavy journalism background, that's cool. I could watch basketball my entire life. Love it. But there's nothing I could outspeak on because Y' all been in those situations. I've been in those wars. Y' all been in them trenches. That's experience that you can't speak on, and it means a lot.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, there's. I mean, there's some fools that play that can't. That don't know shit still, That's a fact, too. But for the most part, there are guys that stand out for, you know, being able to articulate our thoughts, our feelings and. And what we've been through. You know what I mean? And. And, you know, you can call those guys out. And the one thing. I just don't like those. I know. Just not a big fan of guys who played that talk. The. Like, they never played. Like, bro, you know how tough it is to go through what these dudes are going through or what they did or what's going on. And you act like you've never been in that locker room, and you. But the up part is they're getting rewarded for it. You talk that reckless, crazy, disrespectful clickbait, and next thing you know, you got. You're on more shows and you're getting more money. And I'm just like, y' all are falling for the bait. That was my. One thing when I was with these networks is I would. I would never say anything. I wouldn't say to somebody's face, you know, they would, oh, this is. This is the take. I was like, no, it's not my take. Like, I'm not gonna say that. Like, this is what I already. This is how I'm gonna say it. But they always kind of wanted. Because, you know, unfortunately, like, drama sells disrespect cells. You know what I mean? And it's. It's the. More clicks. But to me, I'd rather get the clicks from just giving you some real or having an authentic conversation than trying to trick you into saying some dumb that's gonna go viral.

[Host 2]

I agree.

[Matt Barnes]

No, I agree with that.

[Host 2]

I mean, I don't really know if athletes doing that, you know, more than me, but I feel like a lot of people. People. But I'm saying, just in general, even outside of athletes, people do go for that quick click.

[Jeff Green]

It's hard not to, but to me, I don't think there's a ton of longevity in that, because when it comes to a time when you can't really just speak on the dumb, you have to, like, speak to what, you know, what are you gonna do?

[Host 2]

That's true.

[Jeff Green]

That's true.

[Matt Barnes]

You know, me and Matt can relate man, he got a Jeff Teague championship.

[Jeff Green]

What's that?

[Matt Barnes]

We were just on the team.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, absolutely. No, I told, I told my story, like my whole thing was too. So that that year was crazy. So I was in Sac to start that year and just thought that's my hometown. I thought I was gonna, you know, I got a three year deal. They just got a new arena, maybe helped get this team to the playoffs. Lighting the beams a long time. He was lighting the out that beam. And then the funny part was that whole season, bro, I was like the boogie whisperer. Like every. Anything about DeMarcus Cousins, from the owner to management to the coaches, go tell DeMarcus this, y'. All, Y' all don't want to tell them. Y' all scared like you. But they was really. Yes, tick toeing around, bro. And you know, that was, that's my, that's my little big homie. And so I would kind of relay messages and as we're getting towards, I want to say, like, heading towards All Star break, we're maybe two, three games out of the A spot thinking like, okay, let's make a cool little run and maybe make the playoffs. They trade this nigga while he's on the podium at All Star.

[Host 1]

I remember that in New Orleans post game.

[Jeff Green]

And they were telling the whole time, no, you're good, you're not going to work. Make sure demarcus knows he's, he's, he's a king for life. And I'm, you know, I'm in the snow smoking one watching. Next thing I know, DeMarcus Cousins traded. And I was like, what the. So, you know, I called management and yeah, you know, we're gonna start over. I'm like, this has been a been a start over franchise. What are you talking about? So, you know, I was just like, I'm too old to start over. You know, I'm 36 at the time. It's like, what do you want to do? I was like, I want to go to a good team. So, you know, we worked my situation out and I was able. And right at the same time, unfortunately, KD went down with a hyper extended knee and I went from sack to Golden State. I was playing the. Playing good like my first game, you know, played 20, 25 minutes for that team. So I was consistently in the rotation. The game, KD comes, KD's out for like two months. The game, KD comes back. The first game back, bro. I want to say I start off good to hit my first two threes and come down on someone's foot. And it's the worst spraying ankle in my career. Like, Swollen even has my leg swollen. I'm like, what the. So by the time I'm feeling any. We're maybe about a week or two out from the playoffs. By the time I'm feeling halfway decent, we're already in the Western Conference finals and haven't lost a game. So I'm just like, as a vet, I know how. How tight playoff rotations get, and you go with what's working. So they're not going to bring someone like me who's been hurt for this long and fuck up the flow of the game. So I just kind of. It was hard for me because I felt like I fought my whole career to be in that position, and before I was hurt, I was contributing to that team. But once the playoff came and I was hurt, you know, I just kind of turned into a fan and, you know, help, you know, help Draymond through some tough times. You know, help Clay through some tough times. It was just kind of just a super vet for those guys. But yeah, like, I didn't even. So they had a special. I missed the ring ceremony the following year, so they had a special ring ceremony for me. But I got the ring. I got my son's rings, and then I put the ring in a room at the arena so I could watch the game. And then we bounced early and I forgot about the ring and I just wasn't really to the same. Like, I don't count that. You know, I didn't count that. You know what I mean? So next. Oh, well, your rings here. I was like, oh, okay, I'll be. You know, I wasn't even really living in the city at the time I was in la or I'll find out a way to. I want to say they had that for like two and a half years. And then one day they. They surprised me on. On NBA Today on ESPN and. And brought like someone drove the ring from the Bay to LA and gave it to me. If not that, probably still be in that room. I ain't do at Oracle Arena.

[Matt Barnes]

I took mine.

[Host 2]

I mean, but where. Where you got that motherfucker now?

[Jeff Green]

It's just sitting in the house.

[Matt Barnes]

That's. I didn't go to the ceremony.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, it's just sitting in the house.

[Matt Barnes]

He drove. Somebody drove up from Milwaukee to Indiana.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, I just felt like I had. Man, I had to. I was courtside to watch one of the greatest teams and, you know, the. The battles with Cleveland and seeing Them boys firsthand. It was just. I was. I was. I had great seats and I didn't have to pay for them.

[Matt Barnes]

That's how I feel. I ain't going loud over there talking shit. Oh, we cook, we play in Brooklyn. I'm over there. Yeah, it's over. They got too much boy going to be able to do nothing with them. They like, man, if you don't take your ass home, it's over with in Milwaukee.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

They couldn't wait for my ass to get out of there.

[Jeff Green]

We.

[Matt Barnes]

We want a champion. Sh. Like, I did some.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

All this hard work. Giannis was like, man, what.

[Host 2]

How good was them Clippers teams, man?

[Matt Barnes]

Fire.

[Host 2]

That's what I want to talk to you about.

[Jeff Green]

I think that we were our own worst enemies, bro. We were 55 plus wins. Pacific Division champs. Facts again. Beating the warriors before they really kind of found their rhythm as a young team, our superstars just butted heads. You know, Blake and. Blake and C.P. had the best chemistry in the world at times and then didn't see eye to eye at times. And then at the same time, it's the emergence of DeAndre Jordan, where he's starting to become a, you know. Yeah. Fringe All Star player, defensive player of the year, Olympic player. So he's kind of growing into his own. And it was just. I felt like there was too many cooks in the kitchen. And then Doc was supposed to be the guy that was supposed to save everything. And then he brought his son over and it was just some weird energy there, you know, where a lot of he paid his son. I'm not even mad if I was in the position. I paid the. Out of my son, too. But I understand at the time what that did to people. I mean, he was making more than me, Jamal, jj, Like guys that were putting in real minutes, you know what I mean, Playing in crunch time and it kind of, without knowing, kind of had people looking at him funny. It wasn't even his fault. You know, obviously, if someone's gonna give me 35, man, I'm take that, especially with my dad out the gate, so. But it just did Doc coming over, you know, Doc want to say Doc was the first coach that was ever traded for, like we. The Clippers traded for Doc.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

And great motivational guy. Great could make you believe, you know, blue water's purple. Like, great speaker, but just there was something missing there with him and. And our in game adjustments. And then when his son came, the energy with that, like. Like, guys weren't really off that. So there's just too much mental.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

That we couldn't get over the hurdle. But when we were clicking and playing, there wasn't a better team in the NBA than us for that.

[Host 1]

Talented as hell, super deep.

[Jeff Green]

I mean, you gotta think we have, you know, our cp, jj, me, or Karan Butler at the three. Blake and dj. Then we had Lamar Odom. We had Eric Bledsoeb, man.

[Host 2]

Yeah, y' all had a lot of going on.

[Jeff Green]

Hurry off. Spencer Hall's coming off a fresh payday. He had game stretched the floor like. We just had a lot of big baby Davis. We had a lot of.

[Host 1]

Y' all had Ello and Glenn in.

[Host 2]

The same locker room.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah, y' all had some going on.

[Host 2]

I was supposed to win one for my dog, Ello, Man, y' all bullshit, man.

[Jeff Green]

That's one of the coolest dudes I have to God ever invented. Lamar is so cool, bro. He was always just the one that was just so with the flow. Every city we're in, there's a limo downstairs going to the club. Whoever want to get in, hop in.

[Matt Barnes]

Ye.

[Jeff Green]

Lamar was that dude. Lamar was so cool, bro.

[Host 2]

So talented, bro.

[Jeff Green]

A great super talent. His. His size and skill set. I played with Ello with the Lakers and with the Clippers. He was a really good dude, man. I'm glad that he's kind of getting back on his feet and finding his way, because he great, dude.

[Host 2]

I gotta meet him.

[Host 1]

Yeah, we gotta get the Fossil episode just for being.

[Host 2]

We was talking about grills.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah. That's number one.

[Host 1]

Y' all got a lot to talk about.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah. That was your favorite player, though.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah. Hello was.

[Host 2]

Hello.

[Jeff Green]

Hello was cold, bro. Come on, bro. L was before his time.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, bro.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Now, I want to ask you how you feel about this Clippers scene they got going into this year, you know what I'm saying?

[Jeff Green]

It's tough to say, man, because the. The west is so young. I felt like last season we saw kind of a passing of the torch, you know, and guys that I played with, you know, the Stephs and the KDS and the Bronze, like it's coming to the end of their run. And these. These new young boys are hungry and. And skilled and can run all day and athletics. So, I mean, I just think the Clippers, you know, Ty Lou's one of the best minds in the game. That's why availability is always a question. You know, if he's out there and playing, they got a chance. But you also got to think, okay, C is still young. And then Boys just got paid. And I think Houston had a big off season being able to get a consistent score in kd. Never did well in gathering folks up. Dallas if healthy is going to be a motherfucking problem. And they at the number one pick. Picking Cooper flag. So I just think the. The west is really deep. I think the winner will come out. I don't know who it's going to be. I think the east is going to be a little bit down this year. Obviously with Tatum out and you know, some other injuries, I don't really believe in the east as much but.

[Matt Barnes]

Hold on now. Yes, sir, hold on.

[Host 2]

That's why I met my dog.

[Jeff Green]

We back.

[Matt Barnes]

We back. Yeah, we back to.

[Jeff Green]

I didn't expect to hear that.

[Matt Barnes]

Atlanta back.

[Jeff Green]

Talk to me.

[Matt Barnes]

Trey Young back to the player.

[Jeff Green]

Trey to me is one of probably the top two most underrated players in the game with 25, 25 and he's double double with 25 and 10 guy and he doesn't get the respect that he deserves.

[Matt Barnes]

He's about. He's playing for a match.

[Jeff Green]

Got some young boys, got Por Zingus.

[Matt Barnes]

On a one year deal. So you know you're trying to get paid again.

[Jeff Green]

He's from Boston.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

Okay. He got to stay healthy though.

[Matt Barnes]

I mean he on a one contract year. He gonna be healthy. He gonna play 60 plus games this year. Contract year. I mean that's what we. He Matt know contract year. Everybody healthy.

[Jeff Green]

Everyone. Everyone gets through them pains that will keep you out if you're not on the contract.

[Matt Barnes]

Jaylen Johnson, he gonna be back on the show.

[Host 1]

Young talent.

[Jeff Green]

Talent.

[Matt Barnes]

Young Zach been playing well in Euro basket. Yeah. So I think we got a bright future, man. I think it's our time.

[Host 2]

I'm one of the best developmental teams in the league.

[Jeff Green]

Y' all trying to do what though?

[Matt Barnes]

We gonna make it to the chip. We gonna win the East.

[Host 2]

No, if they make it to the.

[Host 1]

Finals, the easiest tournament, the Hawks. I was about to say you better.

[Jeff Green]

Talk about the tournament. That's in Vegas.

[Host 1]

They'll be back here. In season tournaments, we make shots.

[Matt Barnes]

When they go to the finals, y', all, we gonna sit course y' all gonna sit in that one section. What did we say when we went last time?

[Host 2]

Shit. I told you. I said damn Dominique jersey still wet.

[Jeff Green]

Eating popcorn.

[Matt Barnes]

Next.

[Jeff Green]

Next thing you know, his nose started bleeding on that.

[Host 2]

They were so hot, bro. He said, damn, you didn't. You got bad blood with them. Why the we always at the top? He talking about this is sweet down there.

[Jeff Green]

Looking down there. Playing the Heat.

[Host 2]

I promise, bro.

[Jeff Green]

See nobody's face.

[Host 2]

Them look super little bro. I'm like, respect. I think we left a half. That's that Jeff T. You know what's so crazy? I love telling this story. I said, bro, they hate you. They put him on the Jeff things in the building. Motherfuck. Like, damn. I know you was sitting this close to me. All these people, these $2 ass seats. Like, damn.

[Jeff Green]

I didn't even know that.

[Host 1]

Two sounds of the Hawks.

[Matt Barnes]

We had chicken wings, beer, tequila. We had everything in the sweet.

[Host 2]

I'm just saying, man, when you go to the games, I don't know if you still do, man.

[Jeff Green]

Where do you sit, man? If I can't sit courtside or a real suite that's in the first level.

[Matt Barnes]

Don'T believe this.

[Jeff Green]

I'm tuck it in and stay at the crib. And I like to smoke and move around and drink a little bit and enjoy myself. But it's almost. I mean, we did it for a job. So going to games now is not. Not fun. It's not. I'm not looking for you always like again. I'd rather watch it. And if the game is on some, I'll watch something else, you know, so going to games I have to. And it's not even spoiled. It's just if I'm go out, if I'm not courtside, I'll be in the suite. But if not, most of the time I'm just at the crib.

[Host 2]

For sure.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, man.

[Host 2]

Back to that. I wanted to talk about this Clippers team though, because that's that. That thing over there. The Clippers team, if they healthy, can they be okay?

[Jeff Green]

See this, this club in the series?

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Matt Barnes]

Hell no.

[Jeff Green]

So who's there? Who's there? Five.

[Host 1]

So James, Kawhi, Big Zoo, Bradley.

[Jeff Green]

I love zoo. Yeah, that's right. Bill's a good pickup.

[Host 2]

Yeah, they got Bradley.

[Jeff Green]

Bill a lot to prove though too.

[Host 1]

That's a fact.

[Jeff Green]

Because you know a lot of people and I've always been a fan of him, but you know, you're putting up empty numbers on the losing team. Yeah. And then it was a horrible move to go to a team that three guys that all need the ball in their hands and feed Phoenix. So I think he's on the light. I still got juice in his. In his tank. Kawhi's availability. I love James. I think James has been able to evolve and adapt his game. He could be an 18 and 10 and 6 guy still and be very effective. Zubots is one of the most underrated bigs absolutely in the game and they got some depth with some yeah, I think they got a really good team. It just depends on their health. I think Kawhi is the key. If Kawhi can give you 65 games, you got a chance to be a top five team in the West.

[Matt Barnes]

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[Matt Barnes]

That locker room in a positive way? Yeah, I think that's.

[Jeff Green]

And I think too and I mean there's, you know, I love cp. I go to war with CP every single day. But I also think that he had to learn how to to communicate with this newer generation. Yeah, I think that was our biggest issue with the Clippers was we come from an old school where they can cuss you out and you just got to make it work, you know. So I was kind of the bridge at times when he couldn't get through to Blake or dj like, yo, this is what he's trying to say, but he's not wrong. He just don't like his delivery. This, this is what bro's telling you.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

So I think that he's kind of learned from that and understanding how to work and be a mentor. I mean obviously CP is one of the greatest players to ever play this game. So I definitely think that he'll be able to give him solid minutes and also add to just the IQ and then the in, in in the helping the young guys through some.

[Host 1]

Yeah, the accountability aspect, I think for CP3 is really going to help that scene because you look at his eyes on thumbprints, all the young talent. Look at sga, look at Dennis, everybody. He's been around. He's only positively impacted especially for the.

[Jeff Green]

Guard position and for him to be, what is that, 60. He played what, 82 games last year?

[Host 1]

Come on man, it's a game.

[Jeff Green]

So availability is big. You know, he really takes care and to me just on more of a personal like our my twins and his sons are best friends. We live five minutes away. It was really big for him to be able to get back home. These last handful of years he's been bouncing outside of California and It's just you can't take the family every time you move around towards the end of your career. So I knew coming into the season, when I see him in the summertime, he's like, man, I got to stay in Cali. I'm like, well, we'll go back to the Clippers, go to the Lakers. So I was glad that he was able to. And he's already met, you know, said this his last year. So I'm glad he gets to do it with a team that, you know, he really put some work in.

[Host 1]

That's a really underrated thing I would say about y' all athletes, y' all lifestyles, like especially playing on a road, being away from your family, that's hard mentally for a lot of people, especially as you grow and your kids get older. How did you manage that and how's it now? You know what I'm saying? Having a little bit more time to be.

[Jeff Green]

That's what you know, that's what you know, I mentioned earlier and I didn't tell the reason why, but that's what you know. I retired my first year into a three year deal. So I, you know, I played 14 years, got paid for 16 years, but it was because I wasn't getting a chance to see my twins at the time. They were like, like 7 years old. So I wanted to retire. And, and it's a great job and it's perks and there's money, but you know, eight month season, we're gone for four and a half of those, you know, I mean, so once you start having a family and kids, you're missing birthdays and school plays and, and games and you'll never get back, you know. And that's why I felt like, although I didn't get to contribute the way I did, I was just like, damn, I got me a ring. My investments are doing good, I got money in the bank. Like it's time to see what was next. Like, although I didn't know what was next, but I knew just being a dad was most important to me next. And you know, I got just missed taking kids to school and coaching them and cooking for them and just being there with them because again, I was a very present dad while I was playing. But my job took me away a lot of time. So now, you know, my twins are 16. Shout out to Isaiah and car. They just got their license today. They're so proud. They okay, it's a little. Homies got their license. But I got a 6 year old who looks like he's 10 and a 1 year old. So I get to kind of really start all over and just be there daily. Just see the grind and see the growth. So to me, it's the greatest job in the world.

[Matt Barnes]

Let me ask you this about the twins. Do they get. They own cars?

[Jeff Green]

Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

Or they don't share a car.

[Jeff Green]

Sure, sure. And their mom is. Their mom is their mom. But she didn't want to pitch in and get a car together. So pointing at. So they got a car at their mom's crib and in a car at my house. So they good. They set.

[Matt Barnes]

A.

[Host 2]

It just sucks being a twin, though.

[Jeff Green]

You're a twin?

[Host 2]

No, it's a lot of that look like me and the twin though. Like, maybe I want to slide on something, bro. Got something to do.

[Jeff Green]

Like, oh, you with the whip.

[Host 2]

Yeah, with the whip. It's kind of. It's kind of tough.

[Matt Barnes]

You got.

[Jeff Green]

It's also Uber now too. Like, you know what, you know, when we come up, I don't know about y', all, but we couldn't wait. I mean, I didn't have a car. I had a bike with a license. Like, I just couldn't wait to get my life. But these dudes didn't really. It wasn't really. Because I just. They're used to being driven around or ubering around. Like it wasn't really pressed, you know, and they're not really out there in the streets got, you know, God bless for that. But they're not. They weren't really pressed to get their license, but they finally got it. But they love. I mean, unless you have twins, like the dynamic. Having twins is incredible. Like they're. When I tell you best friends, like when they would get sick, one would go to school because the other one didn't get sick yet, but he would be tripped. The one at home, like, I need to call and check on my brother. Or the one at school would call home sometimes like, hey, how's so and so feeling? So that just the dynamic is. And it's dope to see. Like. So you have a built in best friend friend. Yeah. Every single day your dog is with you. You know, I kind of took that for granted because they were so easy growing up. Now that I got my six year old, I got to do everything with that. I gotta play video games, swim, play basketball, play soccer, play baseball. Well, I got the one year old on my hip. I'm a single dad of four, so it's just like, yeah, I'm shaking and baking, but I'm like, God damn. I have to do none of this with the twins. They had each other, but I had to with Ashton boy that got me running with the baby on my hip. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's dope, but it's a lot, man.

[Host 2]

How you like coaching in the AU crazy world, bro.

[Jeff Green]

I, I, I enjoy it because I'm teaching. I don't respect the AU system. I think it's a money grab now. I just saw an article the other day. Kids are playing 80 to 100 games in the US crazy. That's why these kids are breaking down. But it's just a money grab for adults now. You know what I mean? Everything is watered down. We came up, I don't know when you guys started, but when I came in au, like there weren't age levels. Like when you played aau, if you were coming in as a freshman, you played against the best players in the country. There wasn' wasn't no 14, 15, 16. Like when, if I, when I was 14, I was playing against 17, 18 year olds in AU. So now there's just so many levels and divisions and gold, bronze and silver. Like it's not, it takes away from the kind of the cachet of being an AAU player. And then again, it's not even about developing kids no more. It's about winning games, which is pointless. College coaches don't give a what kind of a you, you. They want to know, do you know how to play off the ball? And I feel that's what our game lacks is kids understanding. Kids are super skilled now being able to do all these moves and step backs and triple step backs and the gather and all that shit. But when they don't have the ball in their hand, they stand in there like dummies, you know, I mean you don't have to cut flare screen 45 cut. You know, they don't know how to do none of that shit. So to answer your question, I enjoy it because I'm teaching these kids how what they're going to see at. And I've had my kids since they were eight, so what they were going to see in high school, now all these kids are in high school and they're like, damn, Coach Matt was teaching that shit when we was in fourth or fifth grade. And then I'm trying to prepare them now what they're going to see in college and hopefully what they going to see in the league. So it's really concepts and understanding, spacing and how to play off the ball and how to be on a string defense and rotating and all that kind of. So I love it because I'm, I'm teaching. I just wish the rest of the game would be taught.

[Host 1]

And you always talk about that. Jeff, as a high school coach, you got to re your players back in even though they haven't great auc, you gotta reel them back in for high school basketball.

[Matt Barnes]

Bring them back to reality, man.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

Nobody's gonna sit there and let you dribble the ball 20 times.

[Jeff Green]

Nobody. I mean, if you. And what I don't like is these kids don't watch basketball. They watch highlights or the edits the next morning. And I feel like you miss so much by not seeing without there. Like you. If these kids want to cross over eight times and step back and still have the ball, like, show me one person that does that in the league. There might be three or four guys that can do that, that are allowed to do that. But for the most part that, you know, like coach Pop said a second and a half. If you can't make a decision. Second and a half, get the off the ball. Like these kids wouldn't know what to do if they had a second and a half to touch the ball. So it's again, it's just kind of being able to teach these kids and make them understand, man, that, you know, it's a delusional space. Social media is delusional with these mixtapes and highlight tapes and all this that, you know, and. And then what, I mean, your thoughts. You don't coach au, but you see it. I mean these holdbacks. I mean when we were coming up, like I remember I was in 8th grade walking across the street to play with the varsity team.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

There's kids we were playing against. 17 year old freshman. Like I was going to UCLA at 17. And you're a freshman in high school, bro. Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

What are we doing? I don't believe in that. Like, like a lot of our guys are younger.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah. Like some of the guys on our high school team, they 15 going they junior year.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah. Just turning 16 because it's gonna come a time where you can't run from the smoke. I feel like the adversity is what makes you better. Like all these kids, even if you take it to the college, it's like jumping in the portal. Don't go, I'm jumping in the portal. Like what happens when you can't run? What happens when you have to sit there and just, just be a man? This damn I'm not gonna play that much this season. What am I. How am I going to make my game better? What am I going to learn? You don't get no ad. You don't get no adversity and willpower and mental strength when you're just running from the smoke the whole time.

[Host 1]

That's a fact.

[Host 2]

You know, since we talking about that, though, like the nil. Do you think that would have kept you playing football if they came with that chicken?

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, I probably would have definitely played, you know, to get two bags, you.

[Host 1]

Know what I mean?

[Jeff Green]

Because I was gonna play football and get up for no reason, you know, with hopes of going to the NFL. But if you're trying to tell me I could. Because you couldn't tell me. I was in LA too, bro. So I remember I used to get my Little Pell Grant, $2,500. You couldn't tell me nothing that should be gone in like 12 hours. But when I had that little 2,500, like, you couldn't. So I couldn't imagine having a half a million or a million dollars in Westwood, in la, and no parents to tell you no, don't like. But to me also, does that take away from the grind? Yeah, take your foot off the gas, because these kids are getting everything. We had to bust our ass to get to the league for, like, you couldn't even get. It was illegal to get it in college, so we had to grind all the way to get to the league to get that kind of money. So if you're getting it now in high school, the elites are getting into high school, everybody's getting into college. I think it's only natural to take your foot off the gas.

[Matt Barnes]

I think so, too. That's why, I guess I'm not against prep schools, but that's my problem with prep school moves, because you're just not that hungry no more. Like when you getting money. We all know that. Like you said when you got your Pilgrim. Even when I got my Pilgrim, you couldn't tell me nothing. But if you getting a million dollars.

[Jeff Green]

Bro, come on, bro.

[Matt Barnes]

I don't know who I would have been, bro. I would have made it to the NBA.

[Host 2]

Best player in the country. He'd at least got 10.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 2]

With them numbers.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, yeah. No, different time, man. It's beautiful. I mean, that's why I got four sons, a couple of gonna hit this lottery. Tell you what.

[Matt Barnes]

What is like. What is it like coaching your kids, though? Like, is it tough?

[Jeff Green]

No, because I don't treat them like, my. I feel like I do my kids a disservice if I play daddy ball because I'm not always going to be their coach. So if I'm doing. If I'm running extra plays or starting them or giving them all these men, like, it's not realistic. Like, they're like everyone else, like the best players that, like, whoever has the best rhythm at the time is going to finish the game. And I always try to tell kids too. And Jeff, you know, obviously start is cool. I'm a starter. But the co who finishes the game is who the trust coach trust the most. That's who's playing the best. That's who I can trust. And you always want to be a player where. When I put you in the game, game, I know what I'm gonna get from you. You can't be a wild card. So coaching my kids, it's.

[Matt Barnes]

It.

[Jeff Green]

Sometimes it's tough love, and sometimes I'm a little tougher on them from a standpoint of. I just know that being a former NBA son, son, you're gonna get that don't like you just for that fact. So, you know, there was a time where one twin started, one didn't. You know, there's time where they both started. There's both time when they both playing like shits. They sit right next to me, you know, I mean, so to me, I can't daddy them because I'm not always going to be there to daddy. And from a coach's standpoint, I feel like I'll. I'll hinder their growth. So they know everything is. Is. Is earned. Nothing is given.

[Matt Barnes]

I know that's tough, though, having that bullet on your. That target on your back. Cause my guys was gunning for him after they played him in the eybl. They called me asap. Facetime me.

[Host 1]

Coach.

[Matt Barnes]

We just beat Matt Barnestein. Yeah, call him. I'm like, I don't got his number, you know.

[Jeff Green]

You know, y' all had a really. I wasn't surprised that you guys. You guys had a really good. We just. Bro, we started with the thing in Cali is there's no bigs. We got so many guards, so we're a small. Our five man, six, four. You know what I mean? So it's just like we're super skilled. If we're not shooting the ball, we play like the Warriors. If we're not shooting the ball well, we're in trouble. And we started the fourth session before Peace Jam with 13 guys. We finished our last game with six like, we got one of the twins fractures. Like our whole team was hurt, but when we played, y' all was good, man. It was a good game until the end. You guys pulled away and I think won by like six or seven stuffing, but we were in that the entire time. But you guys, but you guys had size and that was dunking and wiping off the glass and we, we just didn't have none of that. So like I said, we gonna make some moves in the portal. I'm already meeting with dads. Like we. This, this next year's your last year in au. You know, it was my last year coaching for a little While until my 6 year old gets right. So we gonna go all out. But I love it, man. And it's. And it's dope too. And Jeff, you know, if you ever pulled up to the term, like it's a reunion, all that. There used to be a stigma of black dad, especially NBA players not being in their kids lives. But with this generation of the dudes that I play with and right behind us, like there's so many involved dads now, whether they're coaching, supporting running programs, but just being present, you'll see 25, 30 former players at any given tournament. And it's dope. After we're done playing, we go back and drink some smoke some chop it up and just kick it. So it's almost like a reunion for us every time we travel out of state to these tournaments. Tournaments.

[Host 2]

That's dope.

[Host 1]

You said something really interesting about the highlight factory. I see Adam Silver said this recently. He was just like, basically, you know, the accessibility of some of these games, they was like, you know, with all these networks and all things spread out, how can kids or people even support that team? He's like, you know, well, we're highlight, highlight that work. So if you can't watch the game.

[Matt Barnes]

Catch the clip, it's like, all right.

[Jeff Green]

You want the product to be better.

[Host 1]

And now y' all telling these kids, catch it on Twitter, like, where's the balance in that for like the fan base?

[Jeff Green]

There's not.

[Host 1]

It's all the money grab now.

[Jeff Green]

That's why you know that the game, game. The games is global as it's ever been, but because there's just new ways to consume it, you know what I mean? Like, as far as that, it would be interesting to see like how many people, if they did a study, actually can even watch a half of game. You know, a lot of people don't just sit there and watch games. One, because there's just so much other shit going on, other games, but it's just games are long and the season's long, you know, I mean, so you got to be a real fan to sit there and watch your team. And kids these days don't have the attention span at all. I have to make the one thing I thought during the playoffs, my twins, sit your ass down, and we're gonna. And they'll sit and watch the games with me, but I have to, like, tell them, come, come watch the games, and then they'll be glad they did it. But if I don't tell them, they'll be playing video games or out shooting or doing whatever else. Dad, we'll catch that tomorrow. I'm like, what you mean tomorrow? Like, yeah, we can watch the highlights. I'm like, what the. About the rest of the game? The highlights are two minutes. The game was 48. What you mean?

[Matt Barnes]

That's a fact?

[Host 1]

Now we on Roblox, dad, you know I'm saying we'll tap in tomorrow.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jeff Green]

Now, what are they on? They on 2K with Jeff with no draws.

[Matt Barnes]

Hey, did you see they got the score?

[Jeff Green]

You see how fast our. Our social team put that up?

[Matt Barnes]

I said y. I said it to you. I said y.

[Jeff Green]

Said it. And that was on social media, like 8 minutes.

[Host 2]

I was getting DM.

[Matt Barnes]

What the is going on?

[Host 2]

We was getting on. I was on Twitter. They said, damn, y' all was on Autumn Smoke. That's hard. How the y' all know? I just got off this one.

[Matt Barnes]

We just walked off the stage. My wife text me, like, ah, this never going to end, huh?

[Host 1]

When they did the first takeover, I said, this is nasty. The whole files with no draws, that's out of pocket. We gotta get to take care.

[Host 2]

It's crazy.

[Host 1]

Oh, that's a nasty uniform.

[Jeff Green]

No, like I said, I'm glad we kind of just scratched the surface, but we definitely want to have you guys come out to la. You guys can shoot in our studio, but definitely sit down and. And. And. And. And do a real show with you guys. Because like I said, I'm a. I don't watch a ton of podcasts, but I do. Like, just your guys energy is. Is authentic and you can feel it. And you guys can say to each other that other motherfuckers. Same with me and Jack. Like, I could talk to Jackie, y'. All. To me, the other. Can't say you guys have that chemistry where you could talk about each other with each other.

[Host 2]

You talk about me bad, bro.

[Matt Barnes]

This is how we met this is how we met, bro. He told me no shout out to my brother. Shelving Mac. He told me Shelby Mac was better than me. Oh, to my face.

[Host 2]

That's not how we got got.

[Matt Barnes]

That's how we met.

[Host 2]

So be here, though. He's a. Stop lying.

[Jeff Green]

Listen, let me get another shot. Toss that bottle.

[Matt Barnes]

It's a vibe.

[Host 1]

Today my boy came through game.

[Host 2]

I had a. I had a challenger. One of the only ones in the city, too, by the way.

[Matt Barnes]

That weak ass.

[Host 2]

It's back 2010 we been doing. So I pull up, you know what I mean? We go to this music Mondays, you know, I had a shorty driving my.

[Host 1]

Yes, sir.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, we stayed in the hood. Damn, the NBA doing that.

[Jeff Green]

Yeah, you was.

[Host 2]

I don't know. You was out of pocket.

[Host 1]

Yeah, you should have been in Shout to dick.

[Host 2]

No, I pulled up, he was just talking about my car, cuz. I guess I didn't had a souped up one. I had to, basically, man.

[Matt Barnes]

I mean, he pulled up. He pulled up next to me in a basic Challenger.

[Jeff Green]

Cool or not yet? Nah, nah, we wasn't cool like that. You had league money at the time.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, he did.

[Host 2]

You know what I mean? I paid. Pepsi Blue pulled up. You feel me? That thing. They had a little heavy one in the passenger side.

[Jeff Green]

Like, I'm a little thicker.

[Host 2]

No, no, no. Said at the time. She was just riding.

[Jeff Green]

I like thick ones. I ain't mad at you. She was more. She was above.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, I had a hellcat. You had the basic and you pulled up. I was like, what the this doing? He got up. He opened the door like, what up? Nah, nigga, it's a difference. Put that baby up.

[Host 2]

You embarrassed me. But for real, that night, we started talking. Then shelving magazine came along again. My nigga.

[Matt Barnes]

He was like, man, my shell. Bust your ass, nigga. What? And we had a pro am game. And n. I'm Shelvin crazy. I'm going at him. He looking at him like, yeah, but Shelvin don't know, right? So every time I score on sh. And I'm pointing at this. Yeah, he laughing. Shel been like, what's up, man? You all right? You sad?

[Host 2]

Oh, no ass.

[Matt Barnes]

You ain't that shoving. Like, what? And then Shelby came, my guy. He came on the Hawks, and we became best friends, bro.

[Jeff Green]

For sure.

[Host 1]

N. For sure. Listen, man, we got to make it out there, man. All the smoke, man. We got to tap in, man. Listen, we appreciate you appreciate stack man. Y' all paved way for people like us to be in this space to get to it, man. We gotta pay homage to the OGs in this space, man. Keep going. Keep pushing it forward, man. Autosmoke production's going crazy. We appreciate you pulling up on this big dog.

[Jeff Green]

For sure. 520, man.

[Host 1]

You know the vibes, man. One more time for Boost Mobile. $25 unlimited nationwide, man. Tap in with the good people at the bottom. I need a burner.

[Jeff Green]

I need a burner. Where the burners at? You need a burner, baby.

[Host 1]

Come on, hop on, Chirp.

[Matt Barnes]

Tap the chirp back.

[Host 1]

Yeah, you know the vibe. Vibes. Until next time, we appreciate y'. All. Club 520.

[Jeff Green]

We out. Yes, sir. The volume.

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