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2024 Best of Club 520: Jayson Tatum on Celtics title vs. Mavs, NBA 2K cover, Jeff Teague as teammate
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JPMorgan Chase
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DJ Wells
All right, we back another episode of Club 520 podcast. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. Special Special guest in the building. Championship edition. To my left, we're going to introduce my man's last. But to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Hitting out the pearlies. How you. What? Nasty.
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Bishop
Cool and nasty. Let's get to it.
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DJ Wells
Look, jt, I know you know what I'm saying, you got your own shoe. But have you ever seen the black forces with the white laces?
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JPMorgan Chase
Yeah, I seen the pod a couple times.
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John Middelkoff
You rocking with him.
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Bishop
I mean, it's cool, jt. DJ introduced the other nigga. Ain't gonna do that. I don't like his energy.
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DJ Wells
To my right, I got my dog, Young Nacho. Young Teague. How you. What, man?
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John Middelkoff
I'm chilling, bro. I got my Jordans on some sixes for team Jordan today. We got some Team Jordan in the building. But you know I'm an anti athlete.
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Bishop
They do not want you shout out to Kyle, man.
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John Middelkoff
He show love. You know what I mean? Respect to the brand.
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DJ Wells
You crazy. But to my left, man, who actually has a shoe. Listen, man. Champion, champion, champion. One of the coldest to ever do it. Youngest killer in the NBA, Dana. Accomplished everything you could do at a young age. It still got more to build, man. We got the champion, Jason Tatum in the building. Appreciate you pulling up, big dog.
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JPMorgan Chase
No, I appreciate y'all for having me.
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John Middelkoff
He finally can say he champ like me. I'm hyped for you, my boy.
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Bishop
Goddamn. You did do it first, Ray J.
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John Middelkoff
You did it first, bro. You know what I mean? Anything but Ray J, but nah better than your cousin Orlando, bro. He Ray J me. Wait. Well, he got the champ here, man. I'm hyped, bro. Cause this is my bro, man. He cool. We got a Midwest group chat. We always show love in there. So I'm hyped to have him on the show, bro.
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DJ Wells
Hey, man, shout out to the game. Listen, we got lots to talk about with you. We want to talk about the first time y'all met, man. When y'all first linked up in Boston. Yeah, you came to save the Celtics.
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John Middelkoff
Man, I came to save him, man. You know what I mean?
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JPMorgan Chase
Go ahead, start lying.
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John Middelkoff
You know.
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Bishop
Thank you, jt. Cause that nigga be lying.
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John Middelkoff
He had my jersey number first But I let him keep it, so I had to go 55. You know, I was originally. Zero.
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Bishop
Did you ask for it?
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John Middelkoff
Well, 55.
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Bishop
No. Fuck no. Did you ask for your jersey? Zero I said, is it available?
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John Middelkoff
I said, is it available? Nah, I ain't asked for it. I respected what he did, but I didn't know I was gonna lose my name in the process. But it's all good.
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DJ Wells
The real jt.
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John Middelkoff
Yeah, I lost my number and my name was crazy. I even had no identity out there.
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JPMorgan Chase
That's crazy.
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John Middelkoff
So this is my whole identity, bro. It's crazy.
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DJ Wells
It's cool though, man. That's funny. Listen, man, we gonna start to the origins of bn. He's super tapped in, you know what I'm saying? With the high school AAU. He was definitely on one of the coach AAU teams for sure.
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Bishop
Yeah, it was at the St. Louis Eagles. Yeah, bro, you gave boys hell back in the day. Back in the day. Any memorable matchups you had back then. So I know you led the EYBL and scoring.
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John Middelkoff
He was gunning 26 and I think.
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Bishop
10, 26 and 10 light.
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JPMorgan Chase
I think for me, I mean, it's like everybody. We all grew up playing against guys that's in the league now. Like Harry Giles, one of my best friends, played against each other all the time. We got one of the best AAU games I feel like of all time. We played on ESPN semifinals to go to Peace Jam. And we was down 20 and a half. We came back and my point guard, Jordan Barnes, who went to Indiana State, playing overseas now, he had a half court shot at the buzzer. And that was. It was crazy because HG was the number one player in the country playing against the best team to go to the finals. And I committed to Duke on TV right after that game. Grant Williams was out there. Johnson, Koji was out there.
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John Middelkoff
Josh talked about that game.
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DJ Wells
I'm telling y'all, never talking about that game.
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JPMorgan Chase
It was like five or six pros out there and we was at Peace Jam. CP was on the bench coaching. So that's like one of my favorite AAU games I ever been a part of.
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Bishop
You gave boys buckets. You gave Miles Bridges 40, Markel Foles 40.
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DJ Wells
Dang.
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Bishop
Damn. I forgot who the other name was in high school. I think y'all was your senior year. You had went crazy.
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JPMorgan Chase
I mean, I've been all right for. For a while.
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John Middelkoff
I say I seen a highlight when you and Jalen Brunson was going at it in high school.
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JPMorgan Chase
So I ain't Gonna lie. Jalen Brunson, he gave us 50. We played in West Virginia. Yeah, I was a junior. He was a senior. And that was. That was one of the times I left. And I was like, no, we got cooked. But we end up. We end up winning the game. But it's just cool to look back on those matchups and, like, man, like, people think Jalen Brunson may be a late bloomer, but he, like, been killing.
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John Middelkoff
Since he been nice.
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DJ Wells
He was in high school, even in the USA. Like, the U19 team. Like, he was going crazy.
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JPMorgan Chase
No, he went on my team.
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DJ Wells
He went on y'all team, what, a year after that.
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JPMorgan Chase
Oh, U19. Yeah. Not 2019. U19. Yeah. He won MVP. Yeah, he was killing, so he was in.
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John Middelkoff
Yeah, we tapped in. You see our facts.
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DJ Wells
We get you.
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John Middelkoff
We straighten you out. Now, that was crazy.
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JPMorgan Chase
He was going crazy. It was like three of us was still in high school, some was going to college, and some had just finished, like, their freshman year in college. So it was cool to have a mix of different guys. But no jb, he put us on his back, and we was in. I think we was in Greece, and we won the gold medal.
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DJ Wells
Blood killing.
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John Middelkoff
Being from St. Louis and being a star high school player. Like, why you choose Duke? I know Emil here. Duke. He was at Duke for 20 years. But why you choose Duke?
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DJ Wells
Dave broke on the show.
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John Middelkoff
That's my new Big three teammate. My fault. My fault. He my new Big three teammate. Shiloh, yeah. He Shiloh.
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JPMorgan Chase
Yeah.
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Bishop
Respect, Lord.
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John Middelkoff
My fault. He a legend, that dude.
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DJ Wells
Shout out to Bill for sure.
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Bishop
Nah, facts.
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John Middelkoff
He was.
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JPMorgan Chase
To be honest, man, growing up, I never thought that I was going to do, like. I just didn't think people where I came from went to Duke. I didn't think, like, that Coach K would come to my crib. I wanted to go to Ohio State. Greg Oden, Mike Conley, Evan Turner, those are my favorite players in college. So, damn, I thought that's where, like, I was going.
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John Middelkoff
You didn't watch Wake Forest?
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JPMorgan Chase
Never.
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John Middelkoff
Oh, okay. Just making sure.
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JPMorgan Chase
Shout out to CP though, man. Oh, you.
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John Middelkoff
Did well. I've been watching Luca this season. It's all good. And I was just.
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JPMorgan Chase
All right, right? That's what we.
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DJ Wells
I'm tre like, oh, man, y'all crazy. Obviously, you said high school career, going crazy, end up going to Duke. What was that transition like? You know what I'm saying? Because obviously highly taught the career in high school, you get to Duke. Duke is a place that's like none other tradition is Very important. You got a Hall of Fame coach and an institution. That's more than any player for you to come in. Like, it's humble to be in that situation. How was that?
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JPMorgan Chase
You know, they always say, like, when you in, that's the first big decision you make as a young man. And for me, I only took one official visit. Like, I took one official visit, and I got there on, like, Friday morning. By Saturday, I remember I was at the bookstore. My mom like, yo, like, we need to start buying hoodies. Like, I'm coming to Duke.
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DJ Wells
Damn.
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JPMorgan Chase
I just felt the vibe of the team, how they felt about coach and how they talked about him and how close they was. I was like, man, I don't want to waste no time of going to coach, no other visits. I was like, man, I want to go to Duke. So that was, like, one of the best decisions I ever could have made. Some of my best friends I ever met from Duke shout out to John Shire. That's somebody I talk to every other day still. And we always talk about the brotherhood, and that's a real thing, regardless of if you ever played with them or if they was there 25 years before you. It's always love whenever you see anybody that had that uniform. And I just wanted to be a part of something that was bigger than myself. And knowing that I was only going to go to college for.
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John Middelkoff
For one year, damn, you knew that. That's a blessing, boy.
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JPMorgan Chase
Yeah, I did. I knew that. I wanted. I wanted to be somewhere that was going to set me up for the big stage. Right? You go to Duke, that's the best. No disrespect to nobody else, but that's the best. One of the best college programs, right? We always on national tv, the expectations is high, media training, all those things is just preparing you for the next level.
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DJ Wells
And I was gonna ask, like, you know what I'm saying? I know that that's lit, but what was that experience, like, that first time playing in Cameron Indoor? Like, what was that first. Cause the fans crazy as hell.
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JPMorgan Chase
Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of people don't know. I got hurt in our second pro day. So we had our second pro day. I ended up. I had, like, a little stress fracture in my toe, and I missed our first 12 games. So I remember that I. My first time playing, I think we played like Tennessee State at home, and it was no load management, no minute restriction. I played like 22 minutes straight. I caught a cramp. So my first game was a little. Little up and down, but no, we got the best fans. A lot of people, when they come to Duke, they don't understand that, like, this is the gym. Like, it's so small. They walk past it, they think that's where we practice at. There's only like, five, six thousand people in there, but, you know, they definitely support. And the energy is crazy. And, you know, it's bittersweet. Like, I only got to experience that for one year, but it definitely was a great experience.
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Bishop
How was it playing for Coach? I'm about to say Coach Cal. Mike Shashinsky. Flam Cal, my dog. I'm sorry.
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DJ Wells
You know, think about that.
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John Middelkoff
Money, family, you know what I mean?
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Bishop
Shout out to the game now. How was that plan for Coach K, though, bro? I heard he got in your ass a couple times.
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DJ Wells
Hey, yo.
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JPMorgan Chase
All right.
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Bishop
Jason.
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John Middelkoff
Jason. I didn't lost my name. He.
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DJ Wells
Jason.
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Bishop
All right.
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JPMorgan Chase
Playing for Coach K was great. I mean, the thing I respect most about coaches, he's a leader of men, and he really understands how to galvanize a team and how to get you to really compete and play hard. And I think that's the biggest thing for kids that's coming out of high school. Everybody's talented, but how can you work well with a team? How do you learn how to compete? How do you learn how get outside yourself? Get outside your comfort zone? I think Coach K was great at motivating, and he wanted the best for me. Like, he wanted me to be the best player I could be. He wanted me to be one and done. He wanted me to go be where I'm at. And I think that was. That was important. That was special, because you hear a lot of stories of coaches that, like, want to hold guys back or want to keep them. Coach K, like, he pushes you to be the best version of yourself, and that's somebody. Coach K, text me today. Like, even at 77, like, you know, he still tap in and we talk all the time.
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Bishop
Did he ever troll you, like, just to get you to play better, or did he have his, like, little antics with you?
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JPMorgan Chase
Nah, he definitely was a master manipulator. Yeah, I mean, we was playing Virginia. Virginia. We was playing at Virginia, and it was the best game I had in college at the time. I had two points at halftime, but we was winning. I thought I was playing defense. I came at halftime. I'm dapping everybody up. I'm like, yo, like, you know, let's keep it going. We gonna win. Like, keep playing the right way. No lie. I'm sitting next to mill Coach K came in. I'm like, I'm leaning forward. I'm like, yo, like, let's go. Came in, took his jacket off and he threw it at me. He was like, you soft ass St. Louis kid. He said, if I knew you was gonna play like this, I would have left you back in St. Louis.
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DJ Wells
Damn.
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JPMorgan Chase
I'm talking about. He cussed me out the whole 12 minutes. And like, Mill was.
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John Middelkoff
He could tell.
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JPMorgan Chase
Like, I don't get mad. I don't like nobody call me soft. And I don't want nobody disrespect where I'm from.
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Bishop
Yeah, that's how Nelly talked to Murphy Lee.
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JPMorgan Chase
Yo, chill.
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John Middelkoff
I can't believe my kids had a flash, bro.
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JPMorgan Chase
But I think coach was just good at, like, he knew how to push your buttons. And I scored 28 points in the second half.
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Jason Tatum
Damn.
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JPMorgan Chase
Cause I was just angry and, you know, at the time, I ain't understand, but after I realized, like, he just knew how to coach certain players and he was excellent at that.
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Bishop
That's hard.
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John Middelkoff
28 points in the second half. Damn. You ain't getting no shots. Ain't getting no shots, bro. It's all good, though.
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DJ Wells
I've been there.
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John Middelkoff
I've been there.
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JPMorgan Chase
My man ain't got no mic.
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John Middelkoff
I'm just saying. I've been there. I know the feeling, bro. I play. I played on the Celtics, bro. Hey, it was a different time of.
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DJ Wells
My life for sure, man. It's funny, you know what I'm saying? ACC people regard as the best conference basketball. You was in there. You in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Salute to you. But I definitely hated you at a time period because I'm a Louisville fan and we did not have a chance to get y'all. One of the worst times of my life during that period because every cold player was going to Duke and we didn't have a chance at all.
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John Middelkoff
Nah, nah. Duke is a tough place to play. I mean, I killed. It was a tough place to play, though.
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DJ Wells
What you do with Kevin and Door?
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JPMorgan Chase
Probably, like, how many years in school.
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John Middelkoff
Dang. Well, I ain't got one and done.
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JPMorgan Chase
All right.
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John Middelkoff
I had two. Me, too.
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JPMorgan Chase
I was already talking.
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DJ Wells
He probably funny.
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John Middelkoff
He know. I did two years, bro, trying to be funny. I could have been one and done.
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Bishop
What you have against Wake Forest.
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John Middelkoff
You remember he ain't getting no buckets. We locked that up.
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JPMorgan Chase
I ain't play good.
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John Middelkoff
Yeah, you all could not wait. We ain't going, bro. Yeah.
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JPMorgan Chase
Stupid ass motorcycle.
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John Middelkoff
Yeah. Coach Cable, we played him Load of smoke. We blew the smoke at Coach K, right? And he started coughing before the game. He gonna call in the ACC and tell him that we can't do the motorcycle no more. We beat him that game anyway. But I had 26 as a first.
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JPMorgan Chase
Stupid motorcycle on the basketball team.
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John Middelkoff
What y'all do?
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JPMorgan Chase
And y'all probably only do that when y'all play duke.
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John Middelkoff
I had 26 and we beat him. I ain't care.
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JPMorgan Chase
That's the problem. Everybody pull out their best tricks when Duke come to town.
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John Middelkoff
That was every. That was every game. Don't do that. I was nice at Wait Force, but I got to your team, our leg was gone. No more bounce. I had none of that.
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Bishop
Who was the hardest ACC team you faced against, though?
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John Middelkoff
Wake Forest.
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Bishop
Stop. I know he ain't gonna say that.
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JPMorgan Chase
Honestly. North Carolina, they won the championship that year.
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John Middelkoff
Yeah, they wanted that year, too. They won when I was in school, too.
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JPMorgan Chase
They had Joel Berry, Justin Jackson, ACC player.
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Bishop
Yeah.
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JPMorgan Chase
Kennedy Meeks, Theo Pinson. We end up. We played them three times.
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DJ Wells
Yep.
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JPMorgan Chase
We went two on one. And if we didn't get cheated against South Carolina, we would have met him in the championship.
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John Middelkoff
Hell out of South Carolina.
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JPMorgan Chase
They went to the Final Four. They did.
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Bishop
They did, bro. We was gonna smack y'all. That was outta shape. Glenn Davis, Bill Kennedy. Mix, too.
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JPMorgan Chase
Oh, you're a North Carolina fan.
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John Middelkoff
Yeah. He like Unc. Absolutely.
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JPMorgan Chase
You like Coach Cal, right?
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Bishop
But I fuck with Unc. I f. With Coach Cal off the court. We'll talk later. Family business. Jason, quit snitching.
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DJ Wells
They're two different men.
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JPMorgan Chase
Welcome to the pod.
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John Middelkoff
Don't worry about that.
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DJ Wells
Obviously. You said you knew he was gonna be a one to.
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John Middelkoff
Duh.
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DJ Wells
You know what I'm saying? Season ends. How was that? Like, knowing you was like, it's time to get paid, like, transition to be a pro. Like, dream come true. How was that moment? How was that summer?
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JPMorgan Chase
I ain't gonna lie. We lost to South Carolina. And I was. I was upset, like. Cause I was fully involved. Like, I. I was at Duke. I was like, I want to see this through. I want to win the championship. The start of the season wasn't great, but we end up. We won the ACC tournament. We won four games in four days. Nobody had ever done that. So we ended up being a 2 seed. So I'm thinking, like, yo, we really gonna win the championship? We lost in the second round. And after the game, I remember I was, like, devastated. I was sick. Did media. I'm in the locker room and then I remember I got to the crowd and I went to go see my mom, and it just clicked. I was like, damn. Like, my dream about to come true.
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DJ Wells
Damn.
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JPMorgan Chase
And at that moment, it wasn't like I didn't care that we just lost. It was like, man, this is what I been working towards my whole life. And it was like, I saw my mom. I was like, yo, I'm about to change my mom's life. And at that moment, I wasn't that sad no more. Like, I was. I was damn near excited. But I remember I was a little nervous calling Coach K of, like, telling him, like, yo, I'm not coming back to school. And coach was like, you pick your agent yet? You ready? I was like, damn, coach, you don't want me to come back. He's like, no, you gotta go. That's for real.
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John Middelkoff
Yeah, that's for real, for sure.
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JPMorgan Chase
But, like, I always was gonna leave, but I had just built a connection, a relationship at Duke and, you know, still tied into this day. And, you know, I was just happy to be a part of that program.
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DJ Wells
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John Middelkoff
Nah, that's dope, man. A lot of people don't get that experience where they coach wants you to leave and, like, telling you pick an agent and stuff. Our coach was nothing like that, bro.
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Bishop
He was ready for them niggas to go.
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John Middelkoff
Yeah, he was hating on us during the draft. He was telling two people we was bad teammates, all type of stuff. It was crazy. So that's dope that Coach K did that for y'all. For real? Yeah, that's love.
- [25:34]
DJ Wells
Listen, we know where you in the draft, but did you think he was going number one?
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JPMorgan Chase
Mm. Mm.
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DJ Wells
You think so?
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John Middelkoff
Who won number one?
- [25:40]
JPMorgan Chase
Yo, Markel. Markel.
- [25:42]
DJ Wells
They got and then two was Lonzo.
- [25:43]
John Middelkoff
I ain't gonna lie, Markel. Folks was cold in college.
- [25:46]
Bishop
He was wrong.
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DJ Wells
Nah, facts. He was hard to watch.
- [25:48]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, he was nice. When I watched him, I was like, yeah, he's special.
- [25:52]
DJ Wells
Lonzo was nice, but lavar Ball's marketing skills that entire summer.
- [25:56]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, that was him.
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DJ Wells
That was crazy. That should be spoke on more because, I mean, Lonzo was cold. Obviously he was deserved.
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Bishop
He was wrong.
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DJ Wells
But Lavar sold him so high.
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JPMorgan Chase
For real.
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DJ Wells
He sold him so hot. Going on campaign.
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JPMorgan Chase
Who else?
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DJ Wells
Parent was on espn, bro, before, like, he really went crazy for that.
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Bishop
His daddy's got to do better.
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John Middelkoff
I'm glad you ain't gonna be on the bro that is wasn't involved right there. They gotta do better.
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Bishop
You feel me?
- [26:20]
John Middelkoff
But it was a blessing not to go to LA for me. For you. I'm glad you ain't go to la. I mean, he probably would have been filthy out there anyway, but I think Boston was just perfect.
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JPMorgan Chase
No, I mean, it definitely worked out. But like you said, during that process, the narrative was, it was consensus that Markel was going number one. And when the Lakers got the second pick, it was like Lonzo was going too. So it was never a thought in my mind. I just felt like everybody had their mind made up and I was in la. So Philly had the number one picket. First, they came to watch me work out. The Celtics came to watch me work out. I'm sorry. The Celtics had the number one picket at the time. They came to watch me in Phoenix. So Phoenix was 4. So I work out for all of them. They come watch me. Everybody was raving about the workout. But then somebody. I ain't gonna say his name, but somebody on the Celtics front office was like, yo, one of the best workouts I've seen. He was like, good luck in your career. But, you know, we got the number one pick. We probably not gonna pick you. So at the time, I was like, like, damn, I don't wanna go.
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John Middelkoff
Damn, Brad, you did that.
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JPMorgan Chase
No, it wasn't bad.
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John Middelkoff
I'm just playing. Let me stop. I'm sorry, Brad.
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Bishop
Brad, come on, bro. Don't do my guy like that.
- [27:28]
John Middelkoff
Nah, Brad, my guy, too.
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JPMorgan Chase
I'm sorry, Brad. For me, I grew up a Kobe fan. Like, I always wanted to play for the Lakers, so don't do it. For them to have the number two pick, and it was like they didn't even. It wasn't even a thought that I was going to get drafted. Like, that was kind of devastating. So I never worked out for the Lakers. They never came to watch me work out. And then it was like a week before the draft, Philly and Boston traded the third and 1 3, and I wanted to go to Phoenix. Phoenix had the fourth pick. Errol Watson was a coach. I went out there, I was looking at houses. The weather was nice. They had a young team. I was like, man, I'm gonna go get the play facts. And then I remember Coach K was like, yo, Boston want to have you for a second workout. You should go. And I'm like, coach, like, they just came off the Eastern Conference finals. They got a veteran team. Like, I'm probably not gonna play. I don't wanna go. And he was raving about Brad Stevens. He was like, brad's one of the best coaches in the league. Like, just go for another workout. And I remember I went up to Boston, like, three days before the draft. I had another workout, and I didn't know where I was getting drafted until they called my name.
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DJ Wells
Dang.
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JPMorgan Chase
But, you know, the rest was history and it all worked out for sure.
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DJ Wells
That's crazy, because I know from the outside looking in, like you said, we fell for some of the propaganda from the ball. We didn't know it was sold up like that. So to hear you say, like, the Lakers, was that locked in, that's crazy.
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JPMorgan Chase
Yeah, I was sick, too. Cause it was like, man, I was so close to my dream and I might play for the Lakers. It was like, best case scenario. And mine was made up. They didn't want to come watch me work out or had me come in. I was like, man, so you didn't.
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Bishop
Think you was going to play at all in Boston?
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JPMorgan Chase
And then I get drafted. Gordon Hayward signed with the Celtics. I called my agent like, yo, I gotta get traded. Yeah. Facts in summer league before I ever play a game. Like, yo, he like, relaxed, just waited out.
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Bishop
Yeah, man, he doing too much, basically.
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JPMorgan Chase
He's like, you gotta chill. I'm like, yo, I'm trying to play. I want. I don't. I didn't get drafted to come off the bench and not start.
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DJ Wells
Yeah, yeah.
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JPMorgan Chase
He was like, yo, just like, you in a great organization, they gonna teach you how to play the right way.
- [29:34]
John Middelkoff
I ain't gonna lie. I would have been worried, too. I mean, jb.
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Bishop
Yeah, grab the headset, jt.
- [29:42]
John Middelkoff
Cause they picked up Jordan, and then JB just got drafted the year before.
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JPMorgan Chase
And JB didn' Play that much his first year.
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John Middelkoff
So I would have been concerned, too. I ain't gonna lie.
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JPMorgan Chase
So at first I'm like, but this is before Kai even came. Yeah, but then when Kai came, it was cool. Cause we. We traded a lot of people for Kai. I ain't gonna lie. Y'all went, yeah, y'all got really over trade.
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DJ Wells
Yeah. You had one like you had. I'll rock with you. Purely off the skill. But I think what's so crazy about you is, like, you accomplished so much in a short little time that People, like, want to downplay it. It's just, like, it's not his fault that he came in the league killing. A lot of people take adjustment periods. You was on a veteran team with a lot of people trying to get contracts, with a lot of people trying to prove themselves and still flourish. Like, y'all had a crazy.
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JPMorgan Chase
Your rookie year.
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DJ Wells
Y'all went crazy, man.
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JPMorgan Chase
No, that was. At that time, that was, like, the most fun I ever had playing basketball. Like, we lost our first two games, and Gordon got hurt on opening night, which was crazy. That was, like, tragic. Yeah, unfortunately, I mean, we lost it. Cleveland basketball played back to back. We lost in Milwaukee. I was like, damn, this is going to be a tough year. But we won 16 games straight. And that's when I was like, kyrie might be the best basketball player I ever seen.
- [30:51]
DJ Wells
My favorite player ever. Kyrie won the basketball.
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JPMorgan Chase
Then he got hurt, and we had, like, 23 games left. And I remember it was me, smart T. Rowe, Marcus Morris, Banes, Al. And we was already the 2 seed, and we had 23 games at, like, play, like, learn how to play with each other. And then we got to the playoffs, and it was like, man, we was just like, everybody favorite team. Cause we was all young. Nobody expected us to beat Giannis in the Bucs. Then we beat Joel. We played Bron in the conference finals. We was rolling. I ain't gonna lie. Like, we was just out there, like, having a ball. For sure.
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DJ Wells
I gotta ask, man, how was it? You know what I'm saying? Sending LeBron a tweet to follow you back to dunking on him in the playoffs. Like, that's a hell of a transition.
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JPMorgan Chase
No, it was definitely a full circle moment. And I remember, like, when we beat Philly and they had swept Toronto, that's when the tweet started going viral. I made that tweet in eighth grade, like, when I first got on Twitter. Yeah, we know.
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DJ Wells
We see the times, but it's just funny as hell.
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JPMorgan Chase
That shit was like, 2012 or something like that.
- [31:54]
John Middelkoff
He was a fan. Oh, I would never tweet.
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Bishop
Did he take a picture you with Br?
- [32:02]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, but when I took.
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Bishop
He was.
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John Middelkoff
I was like, he was 12. Nigga was already 63 on top of his head.
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Bishop
You up next, K?
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JPMorgan Chase
I was like, n. When I took.
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DJ Wells
That pic, you up crazy.
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John Middelkoff
So clip that, Lou. No, that's funny.
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DJ Wells
That's funny.
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Bishop
No, I want you to speak on, though, for real. I want to. I love bro Terry Rozier game bro T. Rowe. I was playing with him man, that little stint that y'all had. Bro.
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JPMorgan Chase
Bro. So Teague know, like, in the. Right before the season, before training camp, that's. Guys start coming in, like, two, three weeks before. And the younger guys. I was in there, like, a month, and we was having, like, open, open runs. And I remember the first time I called back home, and I called back, I said, yo, Terry Rozier is like that, bro. And, you know, when you younger, you think the guys that come off the bench or not starting, you think they just bums or average. Man, when I seen T. Rowe in that first pickup game, I was like, nah. Like, Terry really got game.
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John Middelkoff
Nah.
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JPMorgan Chase
He called for 95% of the league. You gotta be in the right spot and have an opportunity. There's only a handful of guys that can go on any team and be where they are, and that don't mean that the other guy's not that good. Is just those 5% of players are really that good. So, you know, obviously, you don't never want to see somebody get hurt. But it was a blessing in disguise for Kyrie to get hurt. T. Rowe got to show, you know, that he can lead a team and be the starting point guard and, you know, do all those things. But I remember, like, it was September or whatever. I called back home, I was like, yo, T. Rowe is cold.
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Bishop
You was killing, bro. But I feel like he was, y'all, like, leader, bro. He was y'all dog.
- [33:52]
John Middelkoff
And that run that was on you, he was going crazy.
- [33:55]
Bishop
JT Was in the cut. You feel me? You was doing your thing. He was at the front. Like, what's happening?
- [34:00]
John Middelkoff
When he tried to dunk on Bron, that's when it got crazy. Yeah, I was like.
- [34:03]
JPMorgan Chase
I was in that last game.
- [34:04]
John Middelkoff
Yeah. I was like, yeah, he. He ready to go. He know he done enough. I'm just trying now.
- [34:09]
DJ Wells
But the movie was crazy. The scary Terry cuz our boy act like Eric Buto didn't act like he know who he was, bro.
- [34:15]
JPMorgan Chase
Spooky, that.
- [34:16]
John Middelkoff
That snatchback, danger clipping Louis. It was crazy.
- [34:21]
DJ Wells
Then they had you Blesso at the game. I said they out of pocket.
- [34:23]
John Middelkoff
Y'all was hard for that. I rock with.
- [34:25]
Bishop
That's tough.
- [34:26]
John Middelkoff
You know what? I love Boston fans. Even when I played there, it was co. We ain't have a fan to stand. That's why I wasn't hooping like that. Y. We ain't no fans. I'm a. I'm a performer. Like, I need crowd. They had fake crowd noise. Wasn't even out, was it? His fans weren't even out. Hoop a Capilla. Nah, I ain't no Hooper.
- [34:44]
JPMorgan Chase
Like, that's what the problem was.
- [34:45]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, I ain't no practice player, bro. I need a real show, bro. I was like, hey, you turning? Yeah, it was fake crowd noise, niggas.
- [34:53]
Bishop
Mama's there.
- [34:53]
John Middelkoff
Yeah. I'm waving at J.T. mama. She the only one in the crowd.
- [34:57]
Bishop
Put my son in the game.
- [35:00]
John Middelkoff
Little dudes running on the court. They ain't got no security. He just running on the court. Almost tripped over his shoe.
- [35:09]
JPMorgan Chase
No, dude, he do whatever he want.
- [35:12]
John Middelkoff
That's smart. It was no friends.
- [35:14]
DJ Wells
That's fine.
- [35:14]
John Middelkoff
We really was cheering for each other.
- [35:16]
DJ Wells
Like, yeah, what a hoop, boy.
- [35:17]
John Middelkoff
I'm like, I have my best game.
- [35:20]
DJ Wells
We on national tv.
- [35:21]
John Middelkoff
Didn't even feel like it.
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JPMorgan Chase
I tell people, that was the hardest. That's gotta be, like, the toughest NBA season.
- [35:26]
John Middelkoff
That was terrible, bro. That's why I ain't getting no fans.
- [35:29]
JPMorgan Chase
You gotta do the nose swab every morning.
- [35:32]
John Middelkoff
Terrible.
- [35:32]
JPMorgan Chase
Like, you just didn't know who was gonna play, man.
- [35:35]
John Middelkoff
It was terrible. You had to sit and wait 30 minutes before you could go in the gym. We all just up there texting, like. I'm like, yeah, this is over for me.
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DJ Wells
And that's crazy that y'all say that, because I hear all the players say, like, that was a trying time, but it's like, everybody else in the media be like, that Lakers ring don't count because it was Covid. I'm like, the who was playing said, that was really hard environments to deal with, advice over y'alls.
- [35:56]
John Middelkoff
That was tough. That was tough, bro. I don't know about them. For me, it was tough.
- [36:00]
JPMorgan Chase
No, you know, I play in the crowd, especially being on the road.
- [36:04]
John Middelkoff
That's. I want to apologize to Boston because that wasn't my best performance. It wasn't no fans there.
- [36:09]
Bishop
But you was ready, though. I mean, we don't want to talk about your Michael Irving story, but you was ready to play it.
- [36:15]
John Middelkoff
Man, stop. I was just cleaning my nose a lot. I ain't want cold chill. Yeah, he's out of pocket, bro.
- [36:25]
DJ Wells
Let's move on from that.
- [36:27]
John Middelkoff
He always play too much.
- [36:30]
DJ Wells
That's why.
- [36:30]
John Middelkoff
Wrestlers gonna beat you up. He needs your help, bro.
- [36:35]
DJ Wells
You don't have to stall him out, bro.
- [36:37]
JPMorgan Chase
What you said, you how you rank a fake?
- [36:39]
Bishop
Listen, see, you didn't come on here to do this, but it we here.
- [36:45]
JPMorgan Chase
That was wild.
- [36:46]
Bishop
Everybody just sees the clips and them. Really. I don't give a. Honestly, Excuse my language. But since you want to break it up, I said a real karate black belt. He agreed. He wrestling.
- [37:00]
John Middelkoff
No, I did not agree.
- [37:01]
Bishop
He jumps off the ropes at the house. He's the biggest wrestling fan in the world. In the world.
- [37:05]
JPMorgan Chase
He jump off the road.
- [37:06]
Bishop
Yes, bro, I got a ring.
- [37:07]
John Middelkoff
Why are you adding into this, bro? See, I'll be leaving stuff alone, but.
- [37:13]
Bishop
I'm saying a real karate black belt is somebody who just plays in wwe. Like not saying the top wrestlers or nothing, but like the. That they probably had Lavar ball out there. So it's like eight built like Lavar Ball that wrestling get paid for. So a real karate Earl type with a black belt will beat the out of one of them. Bro, I don't care.
- [37:32]
DJ Wells
So it's a G league wrestling.
- [37:38]
JPMorgan Chase
Now he want to R for the smoke.
- [37:40]
John Middelkoff
I'm not worried about it. We not worried. We not going to disrespect.
- [37:48]
DJ Wells
Crazy.
- [37:48]
John Middelkoff
I almost signed a deal with them up. But the answer the WWE one piece then. Aw, called me too, bro. Stop laughing at him. Bro, I tell you know how you laugh at the, at the lunch table. First laugh, get it? Next bro. Pause. Moving on.
- [38:06]
DJ Wells
Hey, man, shoes is crazy. What was that feeling like, know what I'm saying? Knowing that you was going to be a signature athlete, getting your own shoe, man.
- [38:12]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, that's hard.
- [38:13]
JPMorgan Chase
Nah, it was dope. I mean, for me, I don't, I don't take anything for granted. Like, I'm still young enough where I remember the days of playing 2K with my cousin. Like, yo, I'm gonna be on the COVID one day. Or going to Foot Locker. Like, man, somebody gonna buy my shoes one day. Or getting a jersey for Christmas. Like, man, somebody gonna get my jersey for Christmas. So. So it's like it's still a wild moment. Like when we go on the road and kids on the sideline or kids in the crowd holding up my shoes. Like three years in, this is my third shoe. And it's still like, man, like all the guys in the league, all the shoes you could have went to go buy and it's like, man, you went to go buy mine. It's like that shit is still dope to me even to this day for sure.
- [38:55]
DJ Wells
How's the design process like to be hands on with something? Like you said, you get to see out in the world. Then the second side of that question is, how do you feel about people playing against you in your shoes?
- [39:05]
JPMorgan Chase
So that's a. So the first part, it's an 18 month process. So like the Threes is out. The fours is done. We working on the fives. So.
- [39:13]
DJ Wells
Okay.
- [39:14]
JPMorgan Chase
It's like, it's a long process. Cause you, like, you want to enjoy what you wearing now, but you on meetings about when the fours is coming out, and they like, all right, well, we need to start designing the fives. So it's tough. It's time to kind of stay in the moment because you're like, man, I just want to focus on what's going on right now. But shout out to everybody on the team. Team Tatum and Jordan Brand, they work very hard. We always on calls together. And it's just dope to see all the work that go behind and how long it took. And it's like when you finally see the final product, when you get to see all the colorways and tell stories organically and people that can relate to whatever you're trying to tell is dope. And for me, you know, seeing guys wear my shoes, whether they college or the women's team in college or the WNBA players. We just played Detroit, like, two games ago. And shout out to Tim Hardaway. Tim Hardaway been wearing my shoes for, like, a year and a half now. But I always notice whenever I play Tim, he don't ever wear him, but we always joke and laugh about it. So he ain't wearing what we playing the other day. Then they went to Miami, and he had him on. But I get it. Like, man, being a competitor, you trying to compete against somebody. Like, you don't want to have their sneaks on, you know, I totally understand that. But shout out to all the guys in the league that were the Tatum threes or twos or whatever, and I really do appreciate it.
- [40:38]
Bishop
Them threes is raw, bro.
- [40:40]
DJ Wells
They fire.
- [40:40]
John Middelkoff
You think you're going to have, like, a Tatum team where, like, guys who were like, you can. I mean, But Steph just do. He signed the year Soldiers. Yeah, whatever you want to call them.
- [40:52]
DJ Wells
Tatum soldiers is crazy.
- [40:54]
John Middelkoff
LeBron soldier. I'm trying to be a LeBron soldier. Even if I try to get D. Rose to start one, too, but it didn't work out. So give me extra 100 grand, I wear them D. Rose.
- [41:08]
DJ Wells
But shout out to Ed, my boy, take a shoe, man.
- [41:11]
JPMorgan Chase
Yeah, that'll be dope if, you know, we keep building the business and we get to a point down the road 10 years from now, when I'm one of the older guys, anything happen, that's all.
- [41:23]
DJ Wells
That's fire. I got asked, was that excitement, like, what was, like, a better feeling? I know you Very grateful. But being on 2K or getting your own shoe, because that's two fire ass accomplishments. But to be on the COVID of 2K, bro, is crazy.
- [41:35]
JPMorgan Chase
Oh, that's a good question.
- [41:36]
John Middelkoff
I ain't gonna lie about that. 2k. Can't believe I bought it. No, not like that. I'm not saying like that. I ain't bought 2k in a long time. I usually get it delivered.
- [41:46]
Bishop
Support black people.
- [41:50]
John Middelkoff
Richard.
- [41:51]
JPMorgan Chase
I appreciate it, bro.
- [41:52]
John Middelkoff
You could have sent me one, bro. See what I'm saying?
- [41:57]
Bishop
This must be your guy. Was this your vet?
- [42:02]
John Middelkoff
Kyle sent me shoes.
- [42:05]
JPMorgan Chase
That's crazy.
- [42:05]
John Middelkoff
I got some jt. I ain't never get no JT one. I'mma keep it up.
- [42:09]
JPMorgan Chase
You got some tools?
- [42:09]
John Middelkoff
I got some tools, yeah.
- [42:12]
Bishop
Did you send them some threes? Did I see the three?
- [42:14]
JPMorgan Chase
They on the way.
- [42:17]
John Middelkoff
I'm a Jordan athlete again. Okay, I got the Jordan athlete. Now threes on the way.
- [42:22]
DJ Wells
Where do you use your platform, kid?
- [42:24]
John Middelkoff
So you gotta start bullying people.
- [42:26]
JPMorgan Chase
I think the moment when I found that I was on 2k was more special just because it was my birthday and it was on the Netflix thing I did with starting Five Deuces. He surprised me. And at that moment, like, I kind of got emotional. Like, I teared up a little bit just. Cause it was like, man, it's my son sharing this moment with me.
- [42:45]
DJ Wells
Hell yeah.
- [42:45]
JPMorgan Chase
And it's just something I always dreamed of was like being on the COVID of 2K is like legendary. And having your own shoe is as well. But man, 2K25 is like, right? Everybody play 2K.
- [42:59]
John Middelkoff
Oh, God, they do. I just wish they wouldn't have did Joe game. Like, they did it. Like when you was on the COVID Cause nigga can't make a shot for shit. I ain't hit a shot. Nah, I'm raw now.
- [43:11]
Bishop
You talking about his game?
- [43:12]
John Middelkoff
No, no, no. He raw on 2K. They made him.
- [43:14]
JPMorgan Chase
He throwing shots.
- [43:16]
John Middelkoff
I'm talking about the gameplay. Like when you create a player and you go on and stuff. Like, can't nobody make a shot but me. My nephew sells me. My best friends sell me. Like, I gotta carry everybody. My back is getting heavy. People complain about the gameplay. I try to text JT and tell him, tell Ronnie to get this fixed. He didn't respond. But anyway, that's.
- [43:41]
JPMorgan Chase
You ain't never text me. I ain't taking.
- [43:42]
John Middelkoff
Okay, okay. You right. My fault. They were nervous today. He was nervous.
- [43:50]
DJ Wells
2K squad is out of pocket.
- [43:52]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, we gotta get better, bro.
- [43:54]
JPMorgan Chase
He was nervous.
- [43:54]
John Middelkoff
He was nervous. Michael's nervous.
- [43:55]
Bishop
I thought you weren't gonna come. I said, damn, they just got here.
- [43:58]
John Middelkoff
I was like, he just ate. Cause you like, he. What time? Like, he ain't text me back yet. What are we doing? I put the ER on it. I put the ER on it.
- [44:17]
Bishop
Mike tired us.
- [44:19]
John Middelkoff
That's Freaky Mike. We gonna tell you his backstory When?
- [44:22]
JPMorgan Chase
I ain't never. I always come through, bro.
- [44:24]
John Middelkoff
Nah, you do, bro. You always been solid. That's one thing I wanted to say. Like, when you. When it comes to fans and stuff, like you D. Rose and a couple teammates that I had, y'all always been great with fans. I was never good with fans. Like, I ignore a kid in a heartbeat. You was good, bro. No, I'm not saying like that. Like, they be like, t. T, I hear him and I just go back there. I get to. You don't ignore anybody. Like, and that's what make you. You. Like, you a stars. Reason got a shoe. That's why you can be sold on a 2K cover. Cause you treat everybody with respect. I wasn't disrespecting. I just feel like signing that day.
- [44:56]
Bishop
That boy love cleaning.
- [44:58]
John Middelkoff
But pause. That's crazy. But listen. Nah, he great at that, though. And I used to see that when we was in Boston. And, like, even, like, when you had little Mikey in here, man, to sign his jersey and see how excited he was about that. I'm like, man, he really got it. You know what I mean? You got that, bro.
- [45:14]
Bishop
When did you start that, though? Like, when did you, like, become, like, damn, I'm low key famous? Was it high school? Was it when you walked on campus at Duke? Like, when did you start embracing that moment?
- [45:25]
JPMorgan Chase
I mean, it's a progression. Like, when I was in high school, I got to a certain point, that's when social media took off. Like, I would come out the locker room, I was signing 3, 400 autographs at the game in high school? Yeah.
- [45:37]
DJ Wells
Oh, they on ebay right now waiting to cash in.
- [45:39]
Bishop
That support is crazy. You and Sexy Red Boy St. Louis, get behind y'all.
- [45:45]
DJ Wells
Shout out to Imos Emo. Oh, Emo's in my pocket.
- [45:49]
John Middelkoff
Yeah. No disrespect.
- [45:50]
JPMorgan Chase
Real shit. Chill.
- [45:52]
John Middelkoff
My fault, gang.
- [45:53]
DJ Wells
I know you can't say China me no more, but the Chinese food out there fire, too. Shout out to the fried rice.
- [46:03]
John Middelkoff
Get him sexy.
- [46:06]
Bishop
Little P R. Was crazy.
- [46:19]
John Middelkoff
She was there. We out of pocket.
- [46:22]
JPMorgan Chase
Yeah.
- [46:23]
John Middelkoff
Hold on.
- [46:25]
JPMorgan Chase
Hey.
- [46:25]
John Middelkoff
What? Navy was arguing about Nelly and somebody, bro. He was really hot at me. Who? I say Was better than Nelly, bro. He was really bad, bro.
- [46:34]
JPMorgan Chase
T, the type of guy, he would just say. He'd come in the locker room, just say some wild. Just to, like, get a reaction out of you.
- [46:40]
Bishop
Yeah.
- [46:42]
JPMorgan Chase
Say, yo. He used to say, like, and I love James Harden. He used to be like, james Harden. Don't do it.
- [46:46]
John Middelkoff
Don't do that. No, no, no.
- [46:47]
DJ Wells
Now we hear it.
- [46:48]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, let's go. I told.
- [46:49]
JPMorgan Chase
Are you saying he know Kobe's my favorite player? He just say, anybody's better than Kobe.
- [46:53]
John Middelkoff
See, you can't do that. I done got in trouble about this. Don't do this.
- [46:56]
Bishop
So he used to just trigger you who was who you say was better than Nelly?
- [46:59]
John Middelkoff
I can't remember. I just said somebody. Wow. He was hot. He was like, what? That's the first time I ever got him rattled. I'm like, is that all who you.
- [47:05]
Bishop
Used to listen to, though, growing up? Was you warming up to. He was not warm enough. So take off. Shamani is crazy. Hey, yo.
- [47:19]
JPMorgan Chase
Yo, who? Oh, man.
- [47:23]
John Middelkoff
He about to try to go in Indiana. Go ahead.
- [47:29]
JPMorgan Chase
We got Michael Jackson. I got Michael Jackson. Who the best rapper from Indiana? Shout out. Freddie Gibbs, I guess. Feel chill. Nah.
- [47:40]
Bishop
Hey, disrespect. I'm just saying he's not from our city, so whatever.
- [47:43]
John Middelkoff
He from Gary.
- [47:44]
Bishop
Yeah, we. We speak on mj Gary.
- [47:47]
JPMorgan Chase
No, he's the best rapper from India.
- [47:50]
DJ Wells
Okay.
- [47:51]
Bishop
All right, y'all got Sexy Nelly.
- [47:58]
DJ Wells
Shankster.
- [48:01]
JPMorgan Chase
Y'All all used to listen to.
- [48:03]
Bishop
What's the. Yeah, yeah.
- [48:08]
John Middelkoff
He getting paid right now from that country dude using his song.
- [48:12]
Bishop
Oh, yeah.
- [48:12]
John Middelkoff
Shabooza or something like that.
- [48:14]
JPMorgan Chase
Yeah.
- [48:14]
John Middelkoff
So y'all had.
- [48:14]
Bishop
Y'all had some, bro. Y'all have some more critics. I wear Air Force because of Nelly, so. Yeah, that's a big statement.
- [48:20]
John Middelkoff
Nah, I think I thought Nelly was.
- [48:21]
Bishop
Raw back in the day, but there's people better than. They got better music than Nelly, so.
- [48:27]
JPMorgan Chase
It'S a handful of people.
- [48:29]
Bishop
Jt, stop.
- [48:30]
John Middelkoff
We ain't gonna do that. I mean, he did.
- [48:32]
Bishop
I said it's a handful of people.
- [48:33]
John Middelkoff
He did go, diamond jt. Favorite rapper is Jay Z, though. That's how. Yeah, that's how me and him got cool. I'm like, dang, you listening to Jay Z, bro, You.
- [48:41]
JPMorgan Chase
Crazy thing about T, he came to the team, and this was during the COVID season. So the season started late, like, November, December. Our first game was on Christmas. Yeah, he didn't talk for the first, like, three weeks.
- [48:55]
John Middelkoff
Just chilling.
- [48:56]
JPMorgan Chase
He ain't say nothing.
- [48:57]
John Middelkoff
Gotta test people out. Bro.
- [48:58]
Bishop
Dark times, bro.
- [49:00]
JPMorgan Chase
And then one day, this nigga did not shut up. Like, he ain't talked for like three weeks. I was like, man, something wrong with it. He different.
- [49:10]
Bishop
Yeah.
- [49:11]
JPMorgan Chase
And then after that, he just. From the day he got traded to the day he got traded, he talked every day.
- [49:17]
Bishop
Wow.
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- [54:01]
Bishop
Do you Remember that moment?
- [54:03]
John Middelkoff
I do. I remember because I was like, man, they think I'm weird. I don't know.
- [54:07]
JPMorgan Chase
I really didn't think he was weird.
- [54:09]
John Middelkoff
I'm really roasting y'all in my head, but I really being cool. You know what I mean? Did I just say that to him? Yeah. I was like, man, I said something to him, and we started shooting together, and I was beating him and shooting every time.
- [54:18]
Bishop
Yeah. Can we get on that story? Cause Evan Turner said he whooped your ass one day in practice and some 1v1.
- [54:23]
JPMorgan Chase
I mean, that's probably the reason, like, I don't address a lot of things. People say a lot of things on the Internet, on tv, about me, and it's cool. Everybody got a job.
- [54:32]
Bishop
Yeah.
- [54:32]
JPMorgan Chase
But I like y'all platform and podcast, and I feel like I had to come up here and address some things. Y'all had ET we in the crew message.
- [54:39]
Bishop
Right.
- [54:40]
JPMorgan Chase
And sometimes you just can't let people get away with lying.
- [54:43]
John Middelkoff
Who lying?
- [54:44]
JPMorgan Chase
You better get on the camera and just start lying.
- [54:46]
John Middelkoff
Call ET out there.
- [54:47]
DJ Wells
Let's address the allegations.
- [54:49]
John Middelkoff
I know he wasn't talking about me.
- [54:51]
Bishop
He said he used to dog walking.
- [54:53]
JPMorgan Chase
This was ET first year coaching. Yeah. He still wanted to hoop. T wasn't. I ain't gonna say he wasn't playing.
- [55:01]
John Middelkoff
But, like, I was starting at first. No, I was six, man.
- [55:04]
JPMorgan Chase
Yeah, he was coming off the bench.
- [55:05]
Bishop
Okay.
- [55:09]
JPMorgan Chase
He was coming off the bench.
- [55:10]
Bishop
He came in his jit.
- [55:14]
John Middelkoff
Don't do that.
- [55:14]
JPMorgan Chase
But T. I don't do that. T. Like, he got this demeanor. Like, he don't. He just real nonchalant. Like, everything. He just.
- [55:21]
Bishop
Nah, that's facts, bro.
- [55:22]
JPMorgan Chase
He be in practice, shoes kind of, like, barely tied, but after practice, he'd want to play one on one. He wanted. We would always shoot at the practice, and me, him, and ET Would play one on one. Damn it. Like, every day.
- [55:34]
John Middelkoff
Yeah.
- [55:35]
JPMorgan Chase
And he would win some spots, like, if we played five spots.
- [55:42]
DJ Wells
He's 16.
- [55:43]
John Middelkoff
I'm five, nine. Yeah. I mean, he was him up.
- [55:47]
JPMorgan Chase
He was. That's crazy. He was scrolling et damn.
- [55:54]
John Middelkoff
I was scrolling YouTube, bro, in some.
- [55:57]
JPMorgan Chase
Of those spots.
- [56:07]
John Middelkoff
To lock him up. Sometimes.
- [56:11]
JPMorgan Chase
He was trying to get 10 days.
- [56:18]
John Middelkoff
Thinking about, like, come people get cold, man. You might for real, bro. Hey, bro, get co. Like, he was.
- [56:27]
JPMorgan Chase
Trying to come back and hoop, man.
- [56:28]
John Middelkoff
I was like, bro, bro, get Kobe, man. You might have to suit up, bro. Bro.
- [56:31]
JPMorgan Chase
We was playing with king of the court that day at home. I tween cross, ET I go to lay the ball Up. No, I just grabbed me out the air.
- [56:38]
John Middelkoff
He flying hard, bro.
- [56:40]
JPMorgan Chase
Brad Stevens walking the baseline, like for a split second, ET Lost his mind. Like he almost got fired.
- [56:46]
John Middelkoff
Yeah.
- [56:47]
JPMorgan Chase
Like, he grabbed me out the air. Not like to foul me, just like the. So I wouldn't get the layup.
- [56:51]
Bishop
Yeah.
- [56:52]
JPMorgan Chase
And Brad. Brad, non confrontational Brad just looked at him like, the hell are you doing? What are you doing?
- [56:58]
John Middelkoff
That's when I knew it was time for me to stop playing. He trip on me or some. He ain't got much room around here.
- [57:12]
JPMorgan Chase
Like, the thing.
- [57:13]
John Middelkoff
I couldn't believe it. Like, you know, most of the star players may get their shots up, then they gonna go about their business.
- [57:18]
JPMorgan Chase
Yeah, he'll be looking for you.
- [57:19]
John Middelkoff
Like, we ain't playing today. I'm like, and he different. He ain't. We in the gym for another two hours, bro.
- [57:25]
JPMorgan Chase
We would play one on one every day.
- [57:27]
John Middelkoff
And I'm like, yo, he different. Like, he want to be in here for another two hours. I really don't even want to be in here, but I'm gonna play against him.
- [57:34]
JPMorgan Chase
That's cause I, like, T wouldn't. He didn't really want to be at practice.
- [57:38]
John Middelkoff
So I was like, I'm a coach, bro.
- [57:41]
JPMorgan Chase
Don't say that.
- [57:42]
Bishop
Tell your truth.
- [57:45]
John Middelkoff
Don't say that.
- [57:46]
Bishop
Cause that. That was third good Marshall in the gym. Now. Motherfucker may not have been submitted in practice. Motherfucker running all day fucking with Coach.
- [57:56]
JPMorgan Chase
T. But I will say he like to. Like, a lot of people don't necessarily want to go through the practice schedule, but if they want to compete, if you want to go through workout or shooting drills or play one on one after practice, like everybody want to compete. So that was our thing after practice. We would always play one on one, me, him, and ET after practice. Yep.
- [58:15]
Bishop
Do you give him a little credit, though, him and ET for sharpening your skills a little bit? Just a little bit. I'm trying to get him when you show him a little love, bro. Did E.T. teach you a motherfucker drill that you use to the game?
- [58:29]
John Middelkoff
The funny thing about E.T. he would tell like, E.T. e.T. Was assistant coaches at this point for sure. E.T. was like, what am I gonna teach Jayson Tatum? What I'm gonna teach him?
- [58:41]
JPMorgan Chase
He better than me.
- [58:42]
John Middelkoff
I'm like, good point. E.T.
- [58:45]
Bishop
We talked about that too, though.
- [58:46]
JPMorgan Chase
E.T. was the wildest, funniest coach I ever had, dog. And not even trying to be funny. We was playing in Milwaukee and I think at the half I had to be like three for 10 I missed, like, four or five threes, so I missed my last three. We walking off, and he just. So. It's like he got an innocence about it. He run up to me. He like, yo, you know you can make some of them, right?
- [59:12]
John Middelkoff
That's easy.
- [59:14]
Bishop
Damn.
- [59:16]
JPMorgan Chase
Like, I know what he trying to say, but how he conveyed the messages, it's so crazy.
- [59:20]
DJ Wells
Cause, like, how. How do I even respond to this? In the moment?
- [59:22]
John Middelkoff
You just, you know, you laugh, bro.
- [59:24]
JPMorgan Chase
Like, yeah, I'm trying to, bro. I'm trying.
- [59:28]
John Middelkoff
Oh, that was a good time, bro. Et cetera. Just talk the whole game. He like, look at jt, man. He want the ball, man.
- [59:37]
JPMorgan Chase
Look, he.
- [59:38]
John Middelkoff
He pissed I be on there.
- [59:41]
JPMorgan Chase
I'm like, give him the ball.
- [59:42]
John Middelkoff
Like a drunk uncle.
- [59:44]
JPMorgan Chase
Give the ball.
- [59:44]
DJ Wells
Get that boy the ball.
- [59:49]
John Middelkoff
Get the ball, man.
- [59:50]
JPMorgan Chase
You see him open, get the ball. That was a fun year. I give T credit, though. I wanted a D. Rose autograph jersey. And I ain't know that they was cool. I ain't know that they, like, knew each other from way back. And T Made sure I got an autograph. Detroit Pistons D. Rose jersey.
- [60:08]
John Middelkoff
Yeah. I was like, man, go up to him, bro. I went up to him, and he looking like he want mark. I'm like, yeah. I was like, I need one, too.
- [60:16]
JPMorgan Chase
Somebody said, I. Damn. It was like, nervous that go up to and ask D. Rose. I was like, that's what made me.
- [60:20]
John Middelkoff
Like, kind of get, like, drawn to you. Pause. But it's like, you was so cool. Like, I'm like, man, he a star. Like, he a superstar. But he'll be like, I remember you, bro. Like, and he'll show you love. Like, he ain't giving me no love right now. It's cool. But he'd be like, nah, you remember you in Atlanta. I'm like, yeah, I used to bust niggas, assholes.
- [60:40]
Bishop
You know what I'm saying?
- [60:41]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, right on, bro.
- [60:42]
DJ Wells
You know what I'm saying?
- [60:43]
John Middelkoff
And E.T. e.T. Like that, too. E.T. will give you a lot of love. And I was like, dang. So when I seen him start working together, ET Was like, man, he like a little bro, bro. But he cold. Only person he would ever say something else to get under his skin would be Luka, bro. Anytime we mention Luka, even though it definitely ain't no beef with them or nothing, it's just competitive spirit. But ET Would be like, yeah, Luka Cole. I'd be like, ooh, JT about to get 40 tonight. He about to go crazy. I was like, say it again. ET before the game, we about to play somebody, like, talk about Luka.
- [61:14]
DJ Wells
You see, it'd be like, that's funny.
- [61:15]
John Middelkoff
My favorite player is Luca. You see, be like, JC would be like, why? I'll be like, she cold. I knew he was gonna get at least a 32 point performance. He's on the bench. We just want to see somebody kill. Ah.
- [61:31]
Bishop
See, some knew how to trigger him, though.
- [61:33]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, I do it now.
- [61:34]
Bishop
Get him going.
- [61:35]
John Middelkoff
I text him now. I couldn't say nothing. The first game this year you went crazy. I ain't want to give you no love, though. I was just like, I ain't going.
- [61:43]
DJ Wells
To give you no.
- [61:44]
John Middelkoff
I ain't want to give a thumbs up. Yeah, I was like path of aggressive. But he was killing, bro. He was killing. This year been good so far for sure.
- [61:52]
DJ Wells
Listen, man, we definitely want to talk about the ring y'all had last year to get the ring. But I want to ask, you know what I'm saying? Planning against the worst in 22, coming up a little bit short. But how was that experience, you know what I'm saying? Motored you to be ready to get that chip last year?
- [62:03]
JPMorgan Chase
I mean, certain things that you go through in real time that you don't understand, like how this is going to prepare you for the future. Because losing at 22 is like devastating. Like, we was the 11th seed, we end up getting to the two seed. We beat KD and Kyrie. We beat Giannis, the defending champs. We go to Miami and win in game seven. Like, that was one of the toughest runs I can remember in recent years. And then the follow up short, it was like, man, we just did all of that for nothing. It was devastating. And then the next year, we kind of like, we, like, overlooked teams a little bit. We just wanted to get back to the finals. We ended up going six with Atlanta in the first round. Like we didn't handle business the way we should have and put ourself in a hole. We was now 03, and you damn near gotta be perfect to win four games in a row.
- [62:47]
John Middelkoff
Facts, definitely.
- [62:48]
JPMorgan Chase
And you know, I sprained my ankle the first play of the game. And you know, the margin for error is just that much shorter when you down 03. So I think last year was a perfect balance of, like, obviously we got kp, we got Drew, and I think our team was just in a perfect space of like, everybody got paid, Everybody had individual success and awards. The only thing we haven't done besides Drew was win a championship. And I give a lot of credit to our coaching staff. And Joe, just the way we prepared, like, in our mindset, we knew how to play and we really. We just got better every single day. We approached how we was going to play the Bucks the same way we was going to play the Wizards. Like, we didn't look past nobody. And we lost 18 games last year and we went 163 in the playoffs. Like, I know we still playing and nobody want to give us our credit, but, like, the shit we did last year was special.
- [63:40]
John Middelkoff
Nah, that shit was special.
- [63:41]
Bishop
I give no motherfucking credit. I don't know who show you different.
- [63:44]
DJ Wells
Yeah, that's. Anybody else is just blatantly hating. As a Patriots fan, please tell me that we was the hardest team, you know what I'm saying? Last year in the postseason.
- [63:51]
Bishop
That dude got a Celtics grade outfit over there, don't he?
- [63:54]
DJ Wells
Yeah, this ain't something lucky can never.
- [64:01]
JPMorgan Chase
No, I mean, I said it. I'm on record for saying it. Like, yes, sir. The Spacers, that was the hardest series that we had last year. Just like how fast they play. They were subbing three people at a time. T.J. mcConnell was unreal at home. Like T.J. nash was doing OB topping, like the role players that they got, they just also selfless. They don't move, they don't stop moving. Everybody played without the ball and they just like. Like the way they play, they trying to. They like bait you into playing how they play. And like, that works for them. And you know, our thing is, like, we want to get stops in defense. And you look up, the score might be 135. Like, that's the game that they want to play that up and down. And when they get you playing that way, like, they can beat anybody. And you know, we came back in overtime. The first game, game three, we was down 19. And game four, shit, we went down to the wire like we swept them. But like, every game, we was dead tired.
- [65:03]
John Middelkoff
Nah, it was. They were all good games though, for the most part. Like, exciting games to be.
- [65:07]
JPMorgan Chase
I should say I give Indiana a lot of credit. Like, we was dog tired after every game after that.
- [65:11]
DJ Wells
Listen, we don't get nice things often, so that compliments mean a lot to me.
- [65:14]
Bishop
Cause this nigga's still in the NBA. He's supposed to talk like that.
- [65:18]
DJ Wells
The way we start off this season, I don't know if I can be happy this year or not, man. It's a thank you for them kind words. That's all I need right now.
- [65:23]
John Middelkoff
Nah. When Drew first got traded from Milwaukee. What'd I tell you?
- [65:28]
JPMorgan Chase
We was gonna win?
- [65:29]
John Middelkoff
Nah, I told you, go get Drew.
- [65:30]
JPMorgan Chase
Remember?
- [65:30]
John Middelkoff
He got sent.
- [65:31]
JPMorgan Chase
Oh, he gotta trade it from Milwaukee.
- [65:32]
John Middelkoff
Yeah. I said, go get Drew. Y'all gonna win. He said, I'm already on it. Said, no, you wasn't, man. Said, I'm on it. And then I seen it happen. I said, damn. He was on it. He wasn't playing. He was playing. He really got pulled over the game.
- [65:47]
DJ Wells
It was in the time of contact. No tempering.
- [65:50]
Bishop
I'm just saying, though, him joining the team, though, how was that, bro? Did you think, like, when Drew got there? Of course, y'all got aspirations of winning, but he was like, nah, this is gonna help us.
- [65:59]
John Middelkoff
Nah.
- [66:00]
JPMorgan Chase
I mean, absolutely. Drew was on the team with me in 2021 when we was in the Olympics, fresh off. He just won the championship with the Bucks.
- [66:08]
John Middelkoff
Yeah.
- [66:08]
JPMorgan Chase
Came with us, and we won the gold medal together. And I just. I understood at that time that Drew was like a Swiss Army Nike.
- [66:14]
DJ Wells
Yeah.
- [66:15]
JPMorgan Chase
Guard the one through the five. He could be on ball, he could play off the ball. You put him in a dunker, he could set screens. He can score on any matchup. And he not like, you know, he a team player. Like, he going big games, he gonna do what he's supposed to do. And not that he gonna fall back, but he just know how to play with, you know, superstars. And he like, the ultimate teammate. So when we got Drew, it's definitely like, our confidence rose. Like, man, we just felt that much better about what we was about to do. Yeah.
- [66:48]
DJ Wells
As a pace of the fan, I'm hating. Cause y'all cheating. You're not supposed to have Derrick White, Andrew, and then switching to you and jb, that's not fair, man.
- [66:55]
JPMorgan Chase
Life ain't fair, man.
- [66:57]
Bishop
Derrick White got cold when he cut the hair. When he cut the hair.
- [67:00]
John Middelkoff
They had to pay for that, though. I mean, they salary cap and tax bill is probably nuts, bro.
- [67:08]
JPMorgan Chase
Imagine.
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John Middelkoff
I know he's selling a tape for a reason.
- [67:10]
Bishop
I ain't trying to do that too much.
- [67:15]
John Middelkoff
We winning, but, boy, this tax bill is crazy.
- [67:18]
Bishop
It's worth it, though, bro.
- [67:19]
JPMorgan Chase
Yeah.
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John Middelkoff
I mean, championships is for sure worth it.
- [67:21]
Bishop
But y'all to a great start so far, for sure.
- [67:25]
DJ Wells
I mean, I want to ask, you know what I'm saying? Having the crazy summer, you know what I'm saying? Getting the ring, getting a gold medal, how you come back? Motivated, obviously. You a professional, you come to hoop, but, like, having such accomplishments in a short amount of time, what keeps you motivated? And locked in to come into this season.
- [67:38]
JPMorgan Chase
I think for me, one thing is, like, man, I'm only 26. I think think a lot of people, not some fans or people in the media might view like, oh, he been in a championship. He been a conference final. Like, they might think I'm older than what I am.
- [67:52]
John Middelkoff
Like, boy, you look 30.
- [67:57]
Bishop
You got it kicked off early.
- [67:58]
JPMorgan Chase
You got to kind of understand where.
- [67:59]
DJ Wells
That's why I said I never understood the. Hey, I'm like, why is it his fault? Because he was successful early. Like, you came in the league once. He's like, don't age him for it. You get mad at him for it. He was still killing.
- [68:08]
JPMorgan Chase
I mean, there's some truth to that. Like, the expectations for me was just way higher because I went to the conference finals at 20. So for me being 26, it's like, man, I got a lot of basketball left.
- [68:18]
John Middelkoff
A lot.
- [68:19]
JPMorgan Chase
And that feeling of winning the championship and having that parade, it was like, man, I want to do this shit again and again and again. And, you know, my favorite players, like, the guys I looked up to, they didn't just win one championship. Like, I didn't come into the league of like.
- [68:36]
Bishop
Or make one All Star game. You know, they had so many.
- [68:40]
John Middelkoff
It be your own guys, bro.
- [68:42]
Bishop
That's what JT was on the real one.
- [68:45]
John Middelkoff
He didn't say nothing about an All Star Game, bro. It be your own guys.
- [69:01]
Bishop
Real zero, bro.
- [69:01]
JPMorgan Chase
You made the all game. Like, that's. Not a lot of people can say that.
- [69:04]
Bishop
No, I was just talking.
- [69:05]
JPMorgan Chase
You got. You got one of them. You.
- [69:13]
John Middelkoff
I was going.
- [69:13]
JPMorgan Chase
Team Jord. I'm back.
- [69:15]
Bishop
Hey, that's a game.
- [69:18]
DJ Wells
Oh, man. Well, I'm sorry. Please help me. Where you.
- [69:22]
John Middelkoff
Ask him again?
- [69:23]
JPMorgan Chase
I think just, like, the motivation came from, like, man, I. Yeah, okay. I understand the space that I'm in and trying to maximize this window of, like, I want to be one of the best players to ever play. And for sure, I understand the window that I have right now. And God willing, I stay healthy that, you know, I feel like I put in the time and effort to take care of my body to, you know, eat the right things and work on my game to be one of the best that, you know, it's not just. I don't. I want to be one of the best players to ever play. And not to say that. That it's about rankings, but I want to accomplish everything that's in front of me.
- [69:59]
Bishop
I know we about to get out of here. I want to ask you like, he speak high on Al Horford. That's his guy.
- [70:03]
JPMorgan Chase
For real?
- [70:04]
John Middelkoff
Yeah.
- [70:04]
Bishop
How you feel about him, man? Seeing Watching him win the championship with you, bro, I know that was big.
- [70:09]
JPMorgan Chase
No, Al, that's, like, easily one of my favorite, if not my favorite teammate I ever had from a professional standpoint, like, when I got drafted at 19, seeing how alone approach every practice day, every game day, every off day, is a testament to, like, his career. It's year 18, and, like, it was year 17 last year, and we relied heavily on Al to help us win a championship. Like, it's not a lot of people in year 17 that's starting on the team that's going to the finals. And that Game three against Indiana, he had, like, eight. Three.
- [70:43]
DJ Wells
Yeah, he was Kyle Korver. Yeah, I remember.
- [70:45]
JPMorgan Chase
And it's like, we needed him to win that game. So Al took me under his wing, you know, since my first day. And, you know, somebody that's, like, always been there for me, somebody that I've learned a lot from, from the standpoint of, like, having a routine. I got my routine from watching Al have a routine. That's why he's been in the league for so long and been so successful. So Al is one of the best people you will ever meet, one of the best players, hall of Fame career. And to help him get over that top, get over the top and win a championship was, like. That was special.
- [71:23]
Bishop
Nah.
- [71:23]
JPMorgan Chase
Okay.
- [71:23]
John Middelkoff
Nah. I was so happy for Al, bro. Cause Al one of the coolest dudes ever, bro. He just do his job. He'll help you anything, give you any advice. He want the best for everybody. So I knew when y'all got him back, when Brad went back and got him, I was like, man, y'all gonna have a special run, and he ain't stopping no time soon. Oh, he's still going now.
- [71:42]
DJ Wells
Keep getting that check, my boy.
- [71:43]
John Middelkoff
Keep moving. Facts, facts show.
- [71:45]
DJ Wells
Before we get out of here, obviously, we know you play to win championships, but do you have any personal goals you can share with us this season?
- [71:49]
JPMorgan Chase
Man, I want to win another championship, bro. Okay, obviously, like, you want to win mvp, you want a first team, all NBA again and those things. And winning MVP or wanting to have that as a goal, that's not a negative thing.
- [72:06]
John Middelkoff
No, not at all.
- [72:08]
Bishop
That's what I just said.
- [72:09]
JPMorgan Chase
If you aspiring to do that, you playing at a high level, you playing efficient, you dominating your team is one of the best. And even if you don't win, right, it's only one person that can win. But it's five people every year that's playing at an MVP level for sure. So just trying to, you know, continue to dominate, being more efficient and understanding this window we have, like, trying to get better every day. And, you know, winning a championship and getting our ring the other night was one of the coolest moments. And it was like, man, I want to do that shit again and again and again.
- [72:39]
DJ Wells
Yeah, facts for sure, man. Listen, man, we know you gotta get out here, man. We appreciate you sliding on us, man. Means a lot. Congratulations.
- [72:46]
John Middelkoff
Because he's on Netflix Starting five. Got my wife watching Starting five and she was like, dang, Jason's a real serious dude. I said, don't believe that. That's not. He's funny. Like, he jokes. He's like, no, he's just so, like, mature. I didn't know he was only 26.
- [73:03]
JPMorgan Chase
I'm like, you think you calling me immature?
- [73:05]
Bishop
He called me. Nah, he's calling you wwe.
- [73:08]
John Middelkoff
Nah. I ain't saying he fake, but I'm just saying, like, you always. That's why people think you older. You carry yourself super, like, mature and put together, like, no shot to ae, but your clips against ae. Clips is totally different. Like ae. Like, I'm going crazy.
- [73:23]
DJ Wells
I'm like, reach out.
- [73:25]
John Middelkoff
And then you come to yours. It's like, well seasoned, like, yeah, come here, son. You know, crazy like that. But now he always carried himself, like, super mature. I'm like, nah, that's dope. It's dope to watch our show, man, being on there.
- [73:45]
DJ Wells
For sure. They announced new season, but definitely check out the Star five if you haven't. How was that process of filming that, man? Like, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, you always been a consumer professional, but to let people in, like your personal life, that type of. The camera's always rolling. How was that experience?
- [73:59]
JPMorgan Chase
It got better or you got used to it as the season went on?
- [74:02]
DJ Wells
Okay.
- [74:02]
JPMorgan Chase
Right. They did a good job of, like, blending in with all the other cameras that's always following you. Having people at your house and in your personal space and, you know, with family time is different. And. Right. I'm on camera. I'm more of a reserved guy. Like, T said, like, yeah, yeah, that's. I am that person that they saw on Netflix. But, you know, I'm more open off the camera and things like that. But it was cool. And it was cool to be a part of the first season that they documented. Like, man, they saw when I got covered in 2k. They saw when I won the championship. So to be able to look back years from now, have those moments. And my mom was on there, my son, some of my best friends. And just being on the first season like that, that was dope. And, you know, I was glad I was a part of it.
- [74:50]
DJ Wells
And I think the fire part about it is you got to see all of the media excerpts. Like, people, like, speaking down, like you said, the high expectations, how they spoke about you all year. And for you to win, especially the way they documented, is super fire. Cause it made a lot of people just deal with the results of it.
- [75:02]
JPMorgan Chase
And, I mean, that's like, they never gonna stop talking about you.
- [75:06]
John Middelkoff
Nah, facts. That's real.
- [75:07]
JPMorgan Chase
What I realized in that moment when we won is, like, I thought I was gonna go on a rant and, like, go back at everybody that ever had something to say about me. And it's like, are you about to crash out? You think you are? And you like, man, when we win, I got receipts. And it's like, man, that's not what this is about. Like, when I won, I'm holding up the trophy. My mom, my grandma crying, my son. I got my homies. I got 18, 000 people in the stands. It's like, yeah, yeah. It's about the people that supported you and been rocking with you through the ups and downs. It's like, regardless, we win or not, like, they still probably talk about me on first take tomorrow.
- [75:42]
Bishop
Exactly.
- [75:42]
JPMorgan Chase
That's never gonna go away. So I don't never trip off.
- [75:47]
Bishop
You MVP this year, though, bro. I'm gonna give it to you.
- [75:51]
John Middelkoff
You see how you like. Yeah. All that came to his mind when.
- [75:54]
DJ Wells
He grabbed the trophy.
- [75:55]
John Middelkoff
I'm crashing out. I would have grabbed the trophy.
- [75:59]
DJ Wells
Say something now.
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John Middelkoff
That's me. That's why he.
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JPMorgan Chase
He.
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John Middelkoff
That's why he is.
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Bishop
What you gonna say, Stephen? Hey, we coming for you.
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John Middelkoff
I'm crashing out, bro. Hey, shout out to you for him.
- [76:11]
DJ Wells
On the first time when you got the chip, he locked in.
- [76:13]
JPMorgan Chase
That was fire.
- [76:13]
John Middelkoff
Yeah, that was hard, bro. I was hyped for him, but he did the same thing.
- [76:17]
JPMorgan Chase
We went group project, you know, when.
- [76:20]
John Middelkoff
He see, see, I see. That's what I'm saying. Like Netflix, though, y'all a see, like, that's. He do this all day, bro. He joke all day. That's why I get the joking from. I. I started joking on them. I ain't joking no other team. I'm lying. I joke on every team.
- [76:37]
DJ Wells
But for sure, man, we gotta get out of here. Jt. We appreciate you, man. Tell the people they can drop the new the shoes man.
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JPMorgan Chase
The new colorway dropping we got a new colorway dropping. What's this? October I think the second week of November.
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John Middelkoff
Okay so make sure that's the one that my team get. Okay. Pike we getting some maybe we not.
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