Best of NBA News Part 1: Knicks are CHAMPIONS + James Harden ARRESTED & Kyrie Irving is BACK!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NBA News Part 1: Knicks are CHAMPIONS + James Harden ARRESTED & Kyrie Irving is BACK!

Date: June 17, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Guests/Panelists: Uncle Joe, Joe, Ocho

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode of Club Shay Shay is a wide-ranging, high-energy discussion covering a dramatic week in NBA news. Topics include James Harden’s recent arrest, the New York Knicks clinching their first NBA championship in over 50 years, and Kyrie Irving's return to highlight reels. The trio unpacks pivotal moments from the Finals, player legacies, the evolution of NBA stardom, league trends, and classic “GOAT” debates—delivering insight, humor, and memorable storytelling throughout.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS

1. James Harden Arrested: NBA Player Conduct & Gun Laws

• [02:56] The show kicks off discussing news that James Harden was arrested on a misdemeanor charge for unlawful carrying of a weapon in Houston.
• Conversations about open carry laws, gun safety, and the wisdom of being out so late as a celebrity.
  • Uncle Joe: “Ain't Houston the open carry state?” ([03:33])
  • Joe: “If you gotta take a gun somewhere, you don't need to be there to party.” ([15:17])

Notable Moments & Quotes:

• Ocho: “Ain’t nothing open around that time but the legs, gas stations and Waffle House.” ([03:52])
• Uncle Joe jokes about his own hunting habits and gun ownership, highlighting the need for self-defense but also poking fun at American gun culture and paranoia.

2. Nightlife, Athletes and Recovery: Locker Room Tales

• [04:09 – 14:30] Series of personal anecdotes on nightlife, nightclubs, after-hours temptations, post-game exhaustion, and (hilariously) the physical toll on professional athletes trying to “perform” after NBA or NFL games.
• The crew reflects on the contrast between their public personas and their usually risk-averse private habits.

Quotes:

• Joe: “The first time, I gotta lay down a mean demonstration... Oh, you coming back? Oh, yeah.” ([07:54])
• Uncle Joe on “post-game” pain: “I had a cramping problem. Hamstring, back, everything just lock up.” ([08:24])

3. The Knicks are NBA CHAMPIONS!

• [24:34 – 56:10+] The heart of the episode, featuring an in-depth, passionate breakdown of the Knicks' stunning championship win—first in 53 years.
• Details of Game 5 vs. Spurs, comebacks from double-digit deficits, star performances, and strategic analysis.

Key Game Stats & Analysis:

• Knicks defeat Spurs 4-1 in Finals.
• Jalen Brunson: 41 minutes, 45 points, Finals MVP.
  • “He picked the night to have his best game of this postseason… he damn near outscored the entire team by himself.” (Joe, [24:34])
• Panel repeatedly highlights the Knicks’ resilience and mental edge overcoming adversity in both the regular season and playoffs.

Memorable Quotes:

• Uncle Joe: “Brunson, you are now a God here in New York.” ([27:40])
• “They need to take the Statue of Liberty, right? And etch out the face and put Jalen Brunson up there.” (Uncle Joe, [28:14])
• Joe: “Guards with a 45 point and a closeout game in the finals since the merger: Michael Jordan, Jalen Brunson. That’s it.” ([30:58])

Knicks Strategy and Team Dynamics:

• Huge developmental strides by supporting cast: OG Anunoby, Josh Hart, Mikal Bridges.
• Bench play and player rotations dissected—debating who should start versus come off the bench.
• Panel discusses coaching changes, specifically crediting Mike Brown’s impact.

Spurs Reflection and Learning:

• Ocho: “If you coach the Spurs, there’s some positive you can take from this, bro. There’s some growth and maturity you can take from this…” ([29:47])
• Discussion of De’Aaron Fox underperforming in the Finals and the young core’s potential.

4. Finals MVP: Jalen Brunson’s Ascendancy

• Explores Brunson’s journey from overlooked to franchise legend, including mentions of his father Rick Brunson's historic connection.
• Joe: “He averaged 28.4 for the playoffs…32.6 for the finals…an All-Star, All-NBA, and now a champion.” ([31:49])
• Ocho: “This a movie.” ([31:44])

5. Kyrie Irving’s Return to the Spotlight

• [60:18+]
• Kyrie's performance at the Top 100 Camp and his legendary ball-handling; segue into his potential future (trade value, fit with new draft pick Cooper Flagg, etc.).

Quotes:

• Uncle Joe: “He’s probably the greatest ball handler and finisher at the rim of all time.” ([61:38])
• Joe: “He’s a 50-40-90 guy. He can shoot 50 from the floor, 40 from the three, 90 from the free throw line—a three-level scorer.” ([64:56])

6. WNBA Updates

• [67:33+]
• Brief rundown of recent games, standout performances from Nneka Ogwumike (24 pts), Brittney Sykes (38 pts), and expansion team Toronto Temple’s progress.
• Reflection on league growth and women’s sports recognition.

7. The GOAT Debate: NBA All-Time Legends

• [72:38+]
• LeBron’s quote on legacy and “GOAT” status discussed.
  • LeBron via Time: “I’m not taking nobody over me… But I think Mike would say the same thing… Kobe would say the same thing…” ([72:38])
• Ocho, Uncle Joe, and Joe share their personal picks for starting a franchise:
  • Ocho: “I’m taking MJ. That’s who I’m taking.” ([73:28])
  • Uncle Joe agrees, noting two-way dominance and legendary aura.
  • Joe: “I’m going to take LeBron…he can do all things well, great….score, rebound, facilitate an offense.” ([75:51])
• Extended segment reflecting on era differences, what made Jordan unique, and the difference in mystique and media exposure (“There was a mystique about Mike.” [85:59]).

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NOTABLE MOMENTS & TIMESTAMPS

| Timestamp | Segment/Quote | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:52 | Ocho’s classic line about late nights: “Ain’t nothing open around that time…” | | 24:34 | Knicks win Championship – stats breakdown, Brunson praise begins | | 27:40 | Uncle Joe: “Jalen Brunson, you are now a God here in New York…” | | 28:14 | Statue of Liberty joke | | 30:58 | Historical stat: “Jordan, Brunson: only guards w/ 45 in closeout Finals game” | | 31:44 | Ocho on the magic of the Knicks’ run: “This a movie.” | | 61:38 | Uncle Joe: “He’s probably the greatest ball handler and finisher at the rim ever.” | | 72:38 | LeBron’s “GOAT confidence” quote in Time magazine | | 73:28 | Ocho picks MJ for “starting a franchise” | | 85:59 | The mystique of Michael Jordan and differences from today’s celebs |

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OVERALL TONE, STYLE & HIGHLIGHTS

• Conversational, animated, and laced with barbershop-level banter and good-natured one-upsmanship.
• Deeply informed takes on basketball strategy and legacy, punctuated by athletic war stories and comic detours.
• The episode’s heart lies in celebrating the Knicks’ underdog victory, drawing parallels to sports history, and pondering the changing face of NBA greatness.

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FINAL TAKEAWAYS

• Knicks’ Title: Cements Jalen Brunson as an NYC legend, with wide praise for his grit, leadership, and clutch play.
• James Harden Incident: Sparks wider commentary about fame, safety, and the pitfalls of the modern sports celebrity experience.
• Kyrie Irving: Remains a phenomenon, with his future a topic of speculation and excitement.
• GOAT Debate: MJ, LeBron, and Kobe remain the ultimate measuring sticks—personal preference, cultural context, and era-specific brilliance all factor into fan loyalties.
• WNBA: Rising performances and league growth receive respect and shout-outs.
• Legacy: The episode stressed the special, almost mythic status of players like Michael Jordan—partly due to the absence of ever-present social media, fueling their mystique.

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FOR NEW LISTENERS

This episode is a celebration of the drama, unpredictability, and lore that make basketball great. Whether you're a Knicks fan riding high, a LeBron or MJ devotee, or just here for the stories—Club Shay Shay brings the NBA’s biggest topics to life with humor, honesty, and reverence for the game’s legends.

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**Listen out for moments like:

• “If you gotta take a gun somewhere, you don't need to be there to party." ([15:17])
• “Jalen Brunson, you are now a God here in New York.” ([27:40])
• “There was a mystique about Mike.” ([85:59])
  And more.**

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For timestamps, refer to the highlighted blocks above for instant replay of the top moments and hottest takes.

Transcript

[Joe]

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[Uncle Joe]

I turned off news altogether.

[Joe]

I hate to say it, but I

[Ocho]

don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Joe]

It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America. What's up, y'?

[Ocho]

All?

[Joe]

Summer's got a different tempo. Everything's a little looser, brighter. One plan turns into another. You hear something, you stay a little longer. Next thing you know, you're somewhere you didn't plan to be. It's those in between moments. That's where the ideas hit. Conversations stretch out. Little memories sneak up on you. Sometimes it's just about what's in your hand. That color, that chill.

[Ocho]

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[Joe]

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[Uncle Joe]

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[Joe]

you can play with your group.

[Uncle Joe]

Exclusive food and drink items. They've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf

[Joe]

balls right into the net. And every match all summer long will

[Uncle Joe]

be on throughout the venue. And if you want to keep the fun Going all summer, you can get the topgolf summer fun pass, which lets

[Joe]

you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit.

[Uncle Joe]

Get yours [e-mail] FunPass hello, it's your

[Joe]

favorite sports unc here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. James Harden was reportedly arrested by the Houston Police Department early this morning on the misdemeanor unlawful carrying of a weapon. Harden was allegedly taken into custody at 3:41am for carrying a handgun with on the seat of his vehicle, with authorities alleging the handgun was not in a holster. Oh, Joe. Remember, they say nothing good happens after midnight.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Damn sure good happening.

[Uncle Joe]

Wait a minute. If you have. Hey, ain't Houston the open carry state?

[Joe]

Yeah, but I think got to be

[Ocho]

in a host got to be in a holster.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, you, you would hope the officer, whoever it is, would have kind of cutting some slack and have it on the seat for a reason, get to it in a, in a certain situation. So I, I kind of get it. I kind of get it.

[Ocho]

Ocho. Ocho. Ain't nothing open around that time but the legs, gas stations and waffle Waffle House.

[Joe]

That's it.

[Ocho]

That's it. Amen.

[Joe]

But you know what, Joe? I don't know about you and Ocho, but I ain't never been a guy that like to hang up to be out that late.

[Ocho]

Now, I used to be out. I ain't gonna lie to you now. I used to be out there.

[Joe]

I would say the cup before dark.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

But after dark I'll be in, right?

[Ocho]

You know what? I ain't really. I ain't never been no after I was spot dude, you know, I mean, after we go to the spot. I'm trying to take my ass home. I ain't ye. Yeah.

[Joe]

What you done got?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I got homie time. Hey, man, let go to the after, man. Damn that after hours. I'm going home.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, but you, you, y' all know my, my, my black ass don't club, so

[Ocho]

you ain't never used to club o. Joe, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't drink, Joe. So what am I doing in that environment?

[Joe]

I ain't drink either.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, you used to club on.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I, I, I'm like, Joe, I ain't no after about it, you know, I mean, there been times now I Go up in the club, take the shirt off. Right there you get.

[Uncle Joe]

You got your shirt off in the club. Oh, yeah. Hey, you just said it.

[Ocho]

Ocho. Ocho. The football cast that I hung around and came up with, that's what they did. That was typical. They were gonna take their shirt off.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They were gonna be sweating. I mean.

[Joe]

Oh, come on. Carved out of granite, looking like an African God.

[Ocho]

Oo. Oo.

[Joe]

Dripping off my body, beating.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What. What you think they think? The little young lady thinking.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe]

They need to be sweating like that on top of me.

[Ocho]

I agree.

[Uncle Joe]

The only place I used to go, Uncle. Uncle Joe, is during my playing days. I used to go with my homeboys. They were from Cincinnati, Main. Los Rico uncle and my homeboy, Locke. After games, you know, I go to the skating session.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Play at one o'. Clock.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

To the skating session, which is like, you know, seven to 10.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I go skating after every home game. I go roller skating every home game. That's how I get my soreness out.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I go before I go to the stadium next morning, and every blue moon, I go to a spot they used to call Annie's. A little spot they used to call Annie's. We go in there and hang out. I don't drink. I get my little Red Bull. I get my cranberry juice. I mix it together.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Put it in a little glass. Put a little lime on there. Man. I sit that the whole night.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And that's it.

[Joe]

That.

[Uncle Joe]

That's the most. I live in Miami, Joe. I ain't even the club live yet.

[Ocho]

Oh, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Dave Grubman still trying to get me to come to live. You don't have to pay for no section I say, Dave. I just. It's not me. That environment, it's not me.

[Ocho]

Hey, Club Leo owe me some money here.

[Uncle Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

You did as much money as many times. I don't parted in club. Live here. They owe me a little money. He owe me somebody, you mean?

[Uncle Joe]

I know. I want. I know one thing, Joe. I love hearing the stories, though.

[Joe]

About.

[Uncle Joe]

About.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, I had a good time now. I had a good time, boy.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. I.

[Ocho]

We.

[Joe]

I didn't really go out. I think I went out one time. Went out one time after the game. That was after we won. After we won the AFC championship game in 98. Other than that, Joe, I'm going home. I. I wasn't gonna be able to do anything. I tried to have sex one time after the game, locked up. Oh, man. Girl thought she had to Thought she gonna have to call K. Been out like this here. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, she. Hey, she had to push me, roll me off. I just. Like this here.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm done.

[Joe]

I can't do nothing after no game. I ain't going to do. I can't do nothing.

[Ocho]

Do you know.

[Joe]

Do you, Ocho? I mean, people don't understand how much we run during the course of the game.

[Ocho]

Oh, Yeah.

[Joe]

I lose 8, 10, 12 pounds in the course of a game.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, man. Hey, not here, boy. We should play here.

[Joe]

I ain't been the whole. I ain't been the whole time. I can't embarrass myself the first time, right? I gotta lay down a mean demonstration. Yeah, I already got a mean demonstration.

[Ocho]

I already know.

[Joe]

Oh, you coming back?

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. That first time you were. You ain't playing. You laying low.

[Joe]

Yeah, I gotta lay out a bean demonstration.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I already know it. I. I already know it.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, y', all, y', all, y', all, y' all add some of them tricks I told y' all to you to your demonstration. I'm telling you, they do more than come back now. You hear me?

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Joe]

That was a problem. I mean, I used to.

[Ocho]

I used to.

[Joe]

I used to have a cramping problem.

[Uncle Joe]

Bad. Oh, after the game.

[Joe]

It didn't matter. After the game, I just had a bad cramping problem. Hamstring back. Everything just lock up.

[Uncle Joe]

You mean Charlie horse. I had a charley horse problem.

[Joe]

Yeah, I had a. I. I had a cramping problem doing activity. You know, doing activity. As Ocho say, horizontal activity.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it was bad. Yeah, it was bad.

[Uncle Joe]

Bad.

[Joe]

It's bad joke. Hey, and I could. Because I. I'm. I'm. I'm a sweater. I perspire. So they. It got to be six. It got to be like 62 in the room.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Hey, and you in there trying to show out, too. Yeah, I already know it. Huh? Yeah, I already know it. I already know. Know it. I already know it. That boy trying to show out he ain't playing.

[Joe]

Yeah, you think?

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, you think she gonna be talking about Uncle Shay Shay in the group chat? No, sir, she is.

[Joe]

I think she could be talking. He put out a mean demonstration.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I. Listen, I don't want to get myself in no trouble, Uncle Joe, but, you know, I used to had a little. I had a little pamphlet back in the day, you know, it come with a menu, you know?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And, yeah, you come with a little mini. So based on what you want you get. You get to pick from. You know, you go to the massage parlor.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

They got different packages. You can. You can pick.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, you want.

[Uncle Joe]

But that's what I had back in the day.

[Ocho]

Boy, I'm talking about. She took down to the T. She.

[Uncle Joe]

And that they down to the T. What do you want?

[Ocho]

Order it up.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I'm talking about. So like if she got on there, she ordered groceries, ate she.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, listen.

[Joe]

Oh, Lord gee.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, I got. I got something called the candle Wax delight. You know, 30 minute full plate with the candle wax. You know. Hold on. I don't want to get myself in no trouble. Joe.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

You're out of damn mind.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm see if I can find one of. One of my old menu. Joe. Yeah. I would like a gigolo in the innocent. Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, some. Some of the things your man wasn't doing for you. No, they. I was in a newspaper ad.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You connect me and get that work.

[Joe]

Damn, I don't know how this man do. I mean, I mean, for me to even think about something like that. I gotta know you about three, four years.

[Uncle Joe]

No, no, no, you don't. No, you don't.

[Joe]

Oh, yes, I do.

[Uncle Joe]

I know you don't.

[Joe]

Off the muscle, off the rib, from the top to my. Hey, I meet you and then. Oh, no, sir.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Never in a day.

[Uncle Joe]

You got, you got. You got to go to work, right? You got one life to live.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. Oh, he said they gotta pay like they wait.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. Package boy, nothing, you know, 100.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You know, you probably made some good money doing that too. Ain't a man.

[Joe]

Yeah, you're the big girl like the skinny ones, because you know, Ocho. Ocho the game. Like £20, £25 since he'd been out of college.

[Ocho]

Yeah, so.

[Joe]

But them skinny, you know, the big girl like them skin.

[Ocho]

They pay. Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah. You know. Hey, Joe, when I used to dance in LA at 97, 98.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

At the right track. You know, you always want to dance for the. For the. The healthy women. I don't want to say big. Are you always.

[Ocho]

They the ones that are paying.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, you got to understand, boy. I'm a. I'm a young fella with no money, and I'm. I'm a good night on a Saturday after a game. I'm getting leaving. What make what? 2200

[Ocho]

money, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen, man.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, it was some good days, boy. It was some good.

[Joe]

Nah, I can't Like I said, like I said, I just. I just expend so much energy. And that's why, you know, after the games, when even. Even in high school, I couldn't do nothing. For the most part, I always went home. Cause my grandmother was home, my brother was in college, and my grandmother was home. It was just her, my nephew at the time, my sister was gone out. And so my aunt would always, you know, every time I played, I always told him, cuz I had an aunt named Jane. And she would always ride the van or ride the bus back. And I was like, coach, look, my aunt. I said, I can't play if you can't take my aunt home after the game. I understand. You're not supposed to take anybody that's not a team member. Like hell. Y' all want me to play on the football, Basketball, track team. You want to take my aunt home? Cuz she coming. She coming to all the games, you know? Yeah, she coming to football games, she coming to basketball games, and she. Hey, come on, J, let's go. But anyway, so I mainly went home. But I. I learned early on, me and, you know, me and the young lady after the game, it was. It was good. I was gonna. I wasn't gonna be able to. I wasn't gonna be able to have the performance.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like I had on the field, on the court.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

So it wasn't no sense to me setting myself up for failure.

[Ocho]

Right. You already knew that. That childhood gonna kick in at the wrong time.

[Joe]

No, I cramped. I cramped. Now I still cramp now at night in the bed. Wake up in the eighth, man. Oh, so I wake up in the bed, man, that thing be still muscle calf and hamstring.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I don't. I don't. I don't care. The only time I cramp, I got. I got to play some. I got to play something, Joe, you know, I play a son. I play Sunday league.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

On the big field, you know, 11v11.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

The game like that, I cramp a little bit. If I. If I move wrong, if I turn wrong. Yeah, I cramp. A mcalf or mcquad. Mcquad. I catch a little Charlie Horse.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey.

[Uncle Joe]

Just cramping. Just a cramp. I ain't never had no issues.

[Ocho]

That mean y' all ain't got enough sodium in your body, man. Y' all gotta get some sodium in your body.

[Uncle Joe]

Some who?

[Ocho]

Some sodium. Some salt. Some salt.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, you know, I got salt. You know, when I get my McDonald's, you know, it's salt on my fries, Joe.

[Joe]

But you know what I don't like? I don't like to drink a whole lot, Joe, when I'm exercising. I don't like it slushing around in my stomach.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So I. I'll sip a little bit, but for the most part, in practice, at a two and a two and a half hour practice, I might drink a cup of water.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I can't have it on my stomach.

[Ocho]

Yeah. No, no, no. Hey, not in them. Streaming was practice. I'm telling you, bro, not in them. Streaming was hard practice. Like. Like. Like that I was used to in college. Here, you couldn't put a lot on your stomach. It was coming up, right?

[Joe]

Yeah. And I don't like. You know how some people like. Oh, Joe, you know, we out there and they put the cold towels in the water. Yeah. Don't put that on my head. I don't want that.

[Uncle Joe]

You don't like?

[Joe]

No, hell no. No, no. But look, hopefully this. This situation with James Harden gets resolved. Yeah, I guess the gun laws vary from state to state. Most southern states open carry, you don't even. It used to be you needed a firearm, a concealed weapon permit. Now you don't even need the permit.

[Ocho]

Enjoyment.

[Uncle Joe]

Miami, you don't need it either.

[Ocho]

And.

[Joe]

And you can take it. You can take it anywhere except the federal building.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Boy, walk around with clips this long and they gone. Come on, man. Yeah, come on. Come on, man.

[Joe]

Got drums.

[Ocho]

Come on. Come on, man.

[Joe]

I mean, come on. Now, my grandfather used to always say, boy, if you got to take a gun somewhere, you don't need to be there to party.

[Ocho]

Hello.

[Joe]

God, you already know. Somebody spill a drink. Somebody step on somebody told somebody touch somebody. Girl, that thing about to snap off.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe]

And I'm one of those guys. Joe, if I. I don't care how bad she is, if I see her with someone.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Let her leave it alone. Yeah, leave it alone.

[Joe]

These dumb dumbs. Hey, hey, hey. You got something on your back, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you got something on your back. Oh, you with him? Yeah, Come on, bro.

[Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

Hey, at the end of the day, they still a man.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

You can't just look at it just because you. You a Bronco, you will disrespect this, man. Come on, bro, Leave that alone.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe, what's happening? What's that, bro? What's that?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that's my concealed permit. What?

[Ocho]

Oh, that's your concealer. What you carrying?

[Uncle Joe]

Huh?

[Ocho]

What you carrying?

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, you know, little sig, little nine, four five. I. I can carry my AR15. I just got that. I can't have it loaded.

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell you gonna be doing carrying an AR15?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, you know I'd be hunting, Joe. I know I'd be hunting.

[Joe]

Down, man, that's a military rifle. That does pay for the military.

[Uncle Joe]

I know, I know it's made for the military, but you just never know, you know, down.

[Ocho]

What you hunting with a damn ar, though.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, like sometimes the, the squirrel, hopefully

[Joe]

in the military

[Ocho]

left you hunting with an ar.

[Uncle Joe]

Like, I ain't gonna eat him. I'm just. He can't. He can't be coming in the house, man, messing up my garbage.

[Ocho]

Oh, you said, you said you sending a message.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that's it. I ain't trying to hit him. Trying to hit him, but just scam a little bit. Hey, he let his homies know probably.

[Joe]

What you carry? What you carry? A Sig. What? A p. What?

[Uncle Joe]

Huh?

[Joe]

Sig 9P226 or what you carry?

[Uncle Joe]

Nah, Sig 226.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

How many shots? 12, 16.

[Uncle Joe]

I got extended clip in that thing, Joe.

[Ocho]

24.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah,

[Joe]

how you get an extended clip in a Sig, huh? I've been seeing a.

[Uncle Joe]

But just be they make anything for you, hear me?

[Ocho]

I'm saying, what you need that many shots?

[Uncle Joe]

Photo just in case I miss because I only got one eye.

[Ocho]

Yeah, well, but what I'm saying. Oh, man, look at, man, it don't take that many damn shots, man. That's all I'm saying.

[Joe]

All he do is gonna have a bunch of empty cases, empty round on the ground.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Unless you go, hey, you gonna be behind the car with that thing pointed

[Uncle Joe]

out, letting it rip. Joe, I play. Hey, Joe. I just be cautious sometimes. So you know, you know, you never. I, I like to think everybody love and like me, you know, But Joe, you never know, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you already know.

[Joe]

But, but the thing is, I try. I try not look as much as you try. The, the, the.

[Ocho]

The.

[Joe]

The.

[Ocho]

The.

[Joe]

The most dangerous place is the gas station. Oh, so my antenna's up.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I ain't going to hold you. My antenna is up.

[Ocho]

It make you naturally just paranoid, bro, by nature that I hate it.

[Joe]

I hate being like this, man.

[Ocho]

You can't hear, but hey, hey, head be on the swivel like you.

[Joe]

Hey, it does. And people like, why you. Why you looking around? Cause I don't want nobody to get the drop on me. I don't I mean, I, I mean, look, I mean, there was, there was a time, once upon a time, guys.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I threw caution to the wind.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I leave my keys, I leave, he's in the car. I go, I go into the store, get me a couple of round, get me a couple of lottery tickets, buys a honey bun to drink and come back and not even think anything about it.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Now somebody been went to your whole damn car, man.

[Joe]

Look here. And I just, I just, look, I just. Hey, and people, you know, like, bro, just don't, don't walk up on me like that, bro. I did, man, you know. Hey, hey, bro, I don't mean to. Bro, I don't know what you want because I don't know you.

[Ocho]

Right, Right.

[Joe]

So, hey, so I just, I, I hate and I hate Jack. Don't get me wrong. I hate being like that.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I really, really do.

[Uncle Joe]

You got, you got to though.

[Joe]

I mean, cautious in today's society. You've kind of left me no choice.

[Ocho]

Right? Right. Facts.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, Joe, when you shoot, how you, how you shoot, Joe? You shoot straight ahead. I, I, I turn that thing to the side, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, bro, I stopped watching movies.

[Ocho]

Now he, he think he old dog.

[Joe]

To the side.

[Ocho]

Yeah. What you mean? Why are you shooting to the side?

[Joe]

Hell, you what you, what you, what

[Ocho]

you think you're doing?

[Uncle Joe]

Because I, I don't want to block my vision because you only got one eye.

[Joe]

If ain't nobody shooting to the side,

[Uncle Joe]

I'm blocking my vision, so I got to turn sideways.

[Joe]

Ain't nobody shooting no gun like this. Let that hammer fly like that there, right there.

[Ocho]

Ocho, I'm, I'm hoping, I'm hoping like heck, I, I ain't never got to use mine, you hear me?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, man, same thing. Say I got mine for protection, Joe, you know?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. Two hands all, all day, you know, like that.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, like this, Joe.

[Ocho]

Like that, that. Two hands out, quick, quick, quick. Yeah, yeah, two hands.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I know what you're talking about. Hey, you know what's funny? Hey, you know the, the dude who always. The self defense guy, the funny clips, you know, Heavy set, man, I think

[Ocho]

I know you talking about.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, dog, he be so funny. This is how you disarm a guy with a gun. Come up with all these.

[Ocho]

Man, please.

[Joe]

And then when people try that, they talk about pop and then they go,

[Uncle Joe]

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, him. Hey, he's funny. He funny. I forgot his name.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Nah, but like I said, hopefully everything works out okay. It's a misdemeanor charge. It's supposed to be holstered. It used to be, Joe. I mean, some states you got to have it in the glove box. You know, Some people, I'm like, there's like, well, the, the. The. The clip needs to be here. The good. What. What good is it? What good is a gun without the clip in it?

[Uncle Joe]

What the hell at all you gonna be done?

[Ocho]

Hey, you ain't gonna have time to get to this thing. Yeah, please.

[Joe]

They be saying some dumb stuff, and I ain't really trying to do that.

[Uncle Joe]

I turned off news altogether.

[Joe]

I hate to say it, but I

[Ocho]

don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Joe]

It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

in 53 years, the New York Knicks are the NBA champions and they defeat the San Antonio Spurs 41 in the NBA Finals, capturing the third championship in franchise history. Spurs starting guard in game five. Castle and Fox combined to shoot four of 25 from the floor, one from 11 from the three point line and Castle had three turnovers to go along with this one. Bucket Uncle Joe, the best player tonight was Dylan Harper and he came up the bench 10 of 19 from the floor, two or four from three, three or five. He had five rebounds, four assists. I thought he played an unbelievable ball game. We'll get into the nuts and bolts of it. Oh Joe, this is about your Knicks. You can go ahead and take off about your Knicks. Jalen Brunson played 41 minutes. Yeah, 41 of the 48 minutes, 45 points on 14 of 27 shooting four seven from the three three 13 of 15 from the free throw line and he was a plus 10. But he had an unbelievable he had. He picked the night to have his best game of this postseason and they win it thanks to the big night that he had because he outscored all the starters. As a matter of fact, he damn near outscored the entire team by himself. Yeah, they had 94. He scored 45. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from the Knicks and how again how they overcame a double digit deficit and to get this win, listen,

[Uncle Joe]

once again, we've seen it multiple times. Uncle Joe, I'm not gonna blow. I'm not gonna talk no trash because I told everybody how it was gonna go all playoff series long. I told, I said nicks and six. Matter of fact, they sped it up a game early because the Puerto Rican Day parade is tomorrow. You can day parade. So that. That's my bad. Outside of that, outside of that, I told you Jalen Brunson was special. We've seen the Knicks come back down 22 down double digit points a few times. Not in just this series, but serious before. And if you watch them during the regular season, we've also also seen them close down on huge and point different point differentials, you know, during this heating. So the fact that I see a lot of people are shocked when it happened time to time. And we, we say what the other teams are doing wrong. Let's talk about what the Knicks are doing right. Let's talk about what the Knicks are doing right to be able to, to keep this happening. One thing I want to mention too, Uncle Joe, remember when I said all the noise and all the, all the stuff that was surrounding Darien Fox?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. De'. Aaron.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. I guarantee you coming to this game, he gonna be gun shy and he's not gonna shoot. Well, how do you look tonight, huh?

[Joe]

Look terrible.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, what did I tell you? What's gonna happen? I mean, players, we always say we don't hear the noise. The first thing you said was, I don't care what the outside thinks. Soon as I came on the show, the first thing I said, his mental gonna be tested. What is this mental like? And if his mental ain't strong, he gonna look terrible, terrible in this game. And look. And lo and behold, I was right yet again. Ain't that something? Congratulations. Congratulations to the Knicks fans. Congratulations to the Knicks in general. Jalen Brunson, you are now s in.

[Ocho]

I mean, oh my God, he's a

[Uncle Joe]

God here in New York now. I'm not sure. I may be tripping, bro.

[Joe]

He was named. Before you go any further, Jalen Brunson was just named finals mvp.

[Uncle Joe]

Wow, I would hope so. Hey, hey, even Ray Charles could see that, huh? Hey, Joe, I'm not gonna talk no trash, you know, because I told you what's gonna happen. So I'm used to being right, so I'm not gonna gloat. I'm not gonna gloat, but I guarantee you, I don't know what the mayor needs to do. I don't know what President Trump may need to do, but they need to take the Statue of Liberty, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And etch out the face and put Jalen Brunson up there.

[Ocho]

Hey, bro. Unc Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

First off, salute.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

New York Knicks, bro. I mean, not. Not even just this final series, but throughout the whole entire playoffs, bro. They prevail. And hell, I had them the underdog. I mean, I had him losing every damn series after. I'll be 100 with you.

[Uncle Joe]

You did, Joe.

[Ocho]

You did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. But in this finals, they really showed me something, Uncle Ocho.

[Joe]

Just, just.

[Ocho]

I mean, being down double figures in every game. They were down 16 tonight, fellas.

[Joe]

16 at one point. They were down 10 points in the fourth with about 7, 6, 6. Seven minutes to go. Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Come on, now.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. And guess what? As I'm watching the game, I'm like, they ain't gonna fool me no more. Cause I know these boys finna come back.

[Joe]

This what they do. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Jalen Brunson, 15 points in the fourth quarter. Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about. It seemed like. I know he had a good game. Cause he had it going pretty much the whole game.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

I mean, time and time again, bro. He comes up clutch in the fourth quarters, being most clutch player in the NBA. He showed it to you in that fourth quarter, bro. All he need to do is for y' all to keep us around.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Keep us close.

[Ocho]

Keep us close. And we got something that they don't got, and that's a closer, bro. He's shown that. I mean, hell, for the past few years, but for sure, in this post season, especially in this series, man, I ain't got nothing bad to say about the Knicks. I think it's great that they won. I think it's great for basketball.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

But if you. The spurs, there's some positive you can take from this, bro. There's some growth and some maturity you can take from this. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Yeah. Dylan Harper is our starting point guard. And we're going to try to move on from Darren Fox. That's the positive they're going to take.

[Ocho]

I've been telling you, Ocho, there. I've been telling you.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on. Wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Before you say that, now, I know it's. I know it's easier said than done. Now, you got to understand that big money kicking next year for Darian Fox. And I knew on that new. On that Max deal Who willing to take on that 51.

[Joe]

Somebody be able to take it because he, I mean he's played well. He's a two time all star, so.

[Uncle Joe]

Right, right, right.

[Joe]

He had a bad finals. Yes, but he's a, he's a, he's a good player. He's a really good player.

[Ocho]

I don't know. But, but, but my thing. I'm not, I'm not so opposed to trading them though. I, I ain't gonna, I don't mind keeping him around. I just think Versaille or Champagne, one of them gonna have to start come coming off the bench. I mean, I just don't know how you're gonna be able to keep Harper on the bench, bro. He was the most composed player that you had out there on the floor tonight as a Rookie. As a 20 year old rookie, bro. I'm talking about giving them boys the bid at.

[Joe]

Yeah, hear me.

[Ocho]

I'm talking about what nothing they could do with him. Hey, man.

[Joe]

Guards with a 45 point and a closeout game in the finals since the merger. Michael Jordan, Jalen Brunson. That's it.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. And Unc, I can ask y' all a question real quick.

[Ocho]

Yes. What's up?

[Joe]

Huh?

[Uncle Joe]

You think y' all could have given me an apology and say, you know,

[Ocho]

man, damn all that. Hey, oh, oh, Joe, listen, listen.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn, Joe, listen.

[Ocho]

Nobody trying to hear all that. Look, look, look, look. Shout out Jalen Brunson for winning mvp. I mean, what a story to have his dad play on the last team that made it to the finals. And Rick Brunson to being his assistant coach and them sharing this moment, bro. Come on, man. Hey, hey, hey, hey. This go. Y' all already know in New York. They plotting on something. This is a story, man. It's a movie.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, I'm here, Joe. I'm here. I can hear it outside.

[Ocho]

Yeah, this a movie.

[Joe]

He, Jalen BRUNSON, he averaged 28 and a half, 28.4 for the playoffs. He averaged 32.6 for the finals. He was an All Star, All NBA. And now he's a champion. I think the thing is, is look, when you're two guys, you're two starting guards and they combine for 13 points, then shoot 4, 25. The mere fact that you only lose by four is a feat in and of itself. Well, I think the thing is, is that you look at it because really for the, for the law. There a point where Jalen Brunson had 28 points and his teammates had. He had 25 and I think his teammates had 28.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So they had done a great job containing everybody else. They just couldn't contain him. And nobody, I mean, you see, Dylan Harper had a chance to tie it up. A joke.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He's shortened the layup.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Darren Fox, I mean, he just, he just kept clanking and kept clanking and kept clanking.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He was awful tonight.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And the problem, and the thing is, and I understand a man Wimby's height, it is hard for him to get properly conditioned. But he's got to get better, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he's got to get better, and I think that'll get better with time. Ocho, like, y' all gotta understand now, he's still learning too, you know.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, look, he was at the peak as far as almost, you know, playing in the finals, bro. That'll do something to you. I think it's gonna change him. It's going to change his approach. Obviously, he'll get his base a lot stronger because for me it's all about the lower body for him. Uncle Ojo. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, he got to get. Keep them hips and them quads and he got to keep all that strong, bro. Cause this is, this is gonna be, you know, carbon copy of teams when they play them. When they play the Spurs. Now here we gotta, We.

[Joe]

Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

We can't just live.

[Joe]

Gotta be physical with it a little bit.

[Ocho]

Can't let him run.

[Joe]

And the thing is, Joe, you watch him tonight. He was very, very content to shoot fall away jumpers.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You see, again, he got tired. What he tried to do, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Give him a perfect love.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

All he got to do is grab it and duck it. What he try to do.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Got it in.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's when. That is a great sign for him because you watch. And I'm trying to. When I watch a game, I'm trying to see if there's a tail that I can pick up that I can, like, I could use as a tidbit. The tale for him is that when he gets tired, he no longer tries to catch the ball, he tries to guide it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And. But I think the thing is tonight is that he couldn't get rest like he could in other series once they got a lead. Because once he left the floor, they eat the. They eat up into the league. And so Coach Johnson didn't feel comfortable keeping on the bench for any length of time. Man, Cornette was awful.

[Ocho]

Terrible.

[Joe]

There's no way. There's no. I can't put. And I hate Saying this because, guys, we were all athletes, but he was God awful.

[Ocho]

Come on, man.

[Joe]

This entire series.

[Ocho]

Oh. Oh, man. Come on, man. I know, man. Come on. Hey, Luke Cornett ain't been there since he been hollering about since he canceled Magic City night here.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

He ain't been hit no nothing, man. Case, did you see that? The minutes that he giving, bro, I'm talking about, they have no interior presence when he's in there.

[Joe]

I'd have felt better going with Kelly Olenet, man.

[Ocho]

Come on, bro, straight up.

[Joe]

I mean, I'd have felt better going with Kelly Olennicko in a game of this magnitude.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The two guards can't go four for 25. They just can't. They can't and they can't. And they can't go one from 11 for the three. Listen, they can't.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Uncle Joe, I, I told you it was gonna happen with brother Darian Fox. The noise, the noise was too much for him. I, I knew it and I, I understood that moment. And as bad as everyone was talking about him, not just us, I'm talking about everybody. It was, it was headline news on every sports channel.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

And I was like, that's why when I came on the show, Joe, the first thing I said was, ain't no way in hell he gonna come out there and play normal. And that first thing I said, hey, he gonna be gunshot. And if he's not gunshot, he's not gonna shoot well because there's no way to recover that. Recover from that in just a two day span. It's impossible because it's already in your head. It's on. It's like when you drop a ball.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Uncle Joe]

And it just, you, you don't, you don't let it go and have a short term memory. And the next ball that come, it beats you up again, man.

[Joe]

That's normally how it happens. And you got a night where Cat had two points and fouls out. I mean, he was 3 of 11. OG had his worst game. He didn't play particularly well. He didn't play well at all. OG did not play well tonight. Considering how he played in the previous four games and how he played in the previous series, this was by far OG's worst performance. But all that being said, Josh Hart was Josh Hart. 13 points, 11 boards, two assists, only one turnover, three offensive re, three offensive rebounds. You get Mikhail Bridges doing what he normally does. He gave you 14 tonight, two rebounds, four assists a block. Those guys. And look at this. You got, you got nine bench points, nine bench points from the Knicks. Yeah, you got 32. 25 of them came from Dylan Harper. Seven came from Kelton Johnson. I just think the thing is, Ojo and Joe, they. They are young team. Kelton Johnson is going to realize that, bro, every time you get in a situation, you don't have to go one on one. Carter, Bryant, every time you get a one on one, you don't have to go one on one. So you gotta. They're gonna learn. And sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Yeah, sometimes the lessons that we have to learn, we have to learn the hard way. We don't get an opportunity to learn seeing somebody else falter. We have to go through that. And this is a prime example. But the Knicks, and I'm looking up like, damn, they up again by 10.

[Ocho]

Man.

[Joe]

16. I was like, oh, my goodness. I was like. And I remember saying, okay, Knicks, no case. Spurs, you got seven minutes for your life.

[Ocho]

It just starts dwindling. It's like. It's like the inopportune time something can happen. It's like. It's like two of them, two spurs going for the rebound. The ball right here. Wimby so tired, he go out of bounds.

[Joe]

And it knocks it out of bounds. And they come back and hear the three. Yes, Joe, yes.

[Ocho]

It's like, you know that. So it's like when we talk about value and possessions in the post season, in the playoffs, that's what we talking about, bro. Like, it's that small of a margin, winning and losing off of that little rebound. They could have took y' all down there to get a good shot, you know, versus them, just y'. All. That turnover led to a three.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Which cuts deep into the league. Now you start to see the tension start to get a lot tighter in the arena. I'm like, man, I be down in Brunson.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, hey, what's the. What's the name of the tournament they have in the middle of the season?

[Joe]

Oh, you talking about the NBA Cup? Who won the NBA Cup?

[Uncle Joe]

Won the NBA cup this year?

[Joe]

The Knicks.

[Uncle Joe]

And who just won the Larry o' Brien Trophy?

[Joe]

And who did they beat for the NBA Cup?

[Ocho]

The Spurs.

[Uncle Joe]

Now you. Now you see the type of knowledge, why my ball knowledge is elite. Cause I understood that. I remember that this man act like

[Ocho]

he just solved a damn jigsaw or something. Come on, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, I must have had to. Cause you've been wrong all year long. I mean, what you talking about, huh?

[Joe]

Wemby, look, hey, like, let's Stay on the Knicks a little longer.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay.

[Joe]

Like Brunson was sensational. This was the, this, I mean I, I, if I'm not mistaken, I don't know how many 40 point games playoff games that we've had this postseason. I think, I think what you call them had one.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. And you, you know everybody been talking about at first Towns was going to be the mvp. Then it went to Ananobly being the mvp.

[Joe]

Og.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. Nobody had. Look this man, it's still a couple.

[Joe]

I'm gonna remove all doubt.

[Ocho]

Hello.

[Uncle Joe]

But this is, hello. This is the funny thing about the Knicks though, Uncle Joe. Every night obviously OG had a good run. OG's had a phenomenal playoff playoff series.

[Joe]

Yeah, they're not here without og.

[Uncle Joe]

But the fact that, the fact that tonight wasn't his night and somebody else always shows up. Hell, in this series, Josh Harding went in double figures, I don't think one game.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

All of a sudden tonight he's in double figures and OG doesn't have a good game. And then Jalen Brunson has an outer body experience when it matters most and does what we used to seeing him do and he takes it up a notch.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

According to the game in the moment.

[Joe]

How many, how many, how many Joe? He get him up in the air on the three point ball as and

[Ocho]

that's, hey, that's his last move. He after that he ain't got nothing else.

[Joe]

And guess what? One of them they fired with 0.3 on the clock. Oh man, listen, bail them out a couple of times. I, I just think the thing is, look at, and we, we're gonna talk about the Spurs. We're not done with the spurs, but I think we're gonna have to give the Knicks a lot of. Because that guy right there, when you got that guy and everybody's had that guy. The Bulls had Jordan, the, the, the Lakers had Kobe and, and, and the Cavs had, had Braun and D. Wade when he was in his prime. Everybody has always had that one guy. No matter how bad things got. We got a guy that if we can get it close, if we can just reattach. Yeah, he can bring us home.

[Ocho]

You already know it.

[Joe]

And that they have so much confidence. And like I say, look, look, we don't see guys like this. You gotta realize Jalen Brunson might be 61 small guys, small guards, playoffs. We don't see him take over games like he's been able to do it, Joe. Nah, we just, we just don't.

[Ocho]

Nah. Hey, and it ain't even just been the finals, man. It's been like the previous two, three years uncan Ocho since he got to New York. Yeah, he's been this fourth quarter demon to where he just comes through in the clutch. Hey, man. Hey, hey. The young man got it. I ain't gonna lie. Even watching the game tonight, as the game starts, you know, as the time starts to tick, I'm like, even five, six minutes left, I'm like, man, it just felt like everything was going to go right for the Knicks, bro, For whatever reason. That's just how I felt after a while, because I said, damn, the spurs done play so great in every game. Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

They played great in every game, bro. But the lows are the low, and they come at unopportune times in the fourth quarter to where there's nothing you can do about it, bro.

[Joe]

Joe. Ocho, they can't stop the bleeding. You know how you get a cut?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And most likely say, okay, you do this. You do this tourniquet, or you do this. They can't stop the bleeding.

[Ocho]

They can't.

[Joe]

And they bleed out every time. They start making. Now all of a sudden, they don't run any plays. Everybody want to be hero. They start jacking up shots. Everybody start turning over the ball, and it just. And then all of a sudden, you see Brunson. Okay, you got two back. You see Brunson coming. You got to load the paint, man. And they don't load the paint. And guess what he get. He squeezes through. He gets a layup. He got. He got like, three of those. Joe. I'm like, you gotta load the paint. You gotta load the paint. Load the paint. He's got to see multiple's bodies there, so to deter him from trying to get there, because if he only sees one and he sees the rim behind that one, he's going to the basket.

[Uncle Joe]

He going at it, but, hey, he's

[Joe]

going to the basket.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Uncle. Yeah, you got to think he got two ways to go every time, too, Joe.

[Ocho]

What's that?

[Uncle Joe]

Brunch and knowing if the pain ain't loaded, if nobody's crashing down, if they gonna stay out. I just. That's. That's me all day. If they load the pain, hell, I'm gonna kick out, and I'm gonna trust whoever it is to get that ball. They're gonna make that shot.

[Joe]

Yeah, but that situation, though, Ocho, I'm taking my chance to somebody else because I know he's got it. Going now. Yeah, I see he's got it going.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm taking. I'm taking my chance with somebody because once that, once. Once those guys get it going, it ain't no turning them off.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

You just hope I could. Hopefully I can force somebody else to shoot enough to help break his rhythm. Yeah. Because if you look at it, Joe, on that 8, 0 run, it was him.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, it was him.

[Joe]

The three free throws or getting to the basket, the layup, the AM one, it was him.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I just might need to get somebody else to shoot the ball a couple of times down to break him out of a rhythm, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, I don't know. I. I feel like Brunson understood the moment. And guys like him who never gonna be the fastest, most explosive, the quickest guys on the court, bruh. When you talk about first step, his first step is to get in front of you to cut you off, to cut your momentum off from trying to. That's how he got women when he laid him up. Yeah. It's get in front of you, cut you off, make you have to kind of back up. And now it's the stop and go. I mean, it's the craftiness in this game. It's the being lefty. He just has so much in his bag, bro. That down the stretch, Uncle Ocho, I never felt that the spurs was gonna be able to get a stop. It just seemed like every time he shot the damn ball, he shot that one fade away that he missed on the side of the backboard. But outside of that, in that fourth quarter, I'm like, he too dangerous, bro. He showing you time and time again.

[Joe]

He hit Wimby with a moving, got to the basket.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's what I'm talking about.

[Joe]

And, and, and, and, and, and the thing is, is that when Wemby gets tired, Joe, he ain't know. He.

[Announcer]

He.

[Joe]

He really can't do anything.

[Ocho]

It's a rap.

[Joe]

The problem. The problem is, though, for me, just watching it, being an ex. Former athlete, he. He doesn't understand how to pace himself yet. Yeah, because you see, he hit a shot, he running down the court, you know, he's so excited. He doesn't understand, bro. We still got 47 minutes to go. Yeah, he's gonna have to do a better job because you can't win the game in the first 10 minutes of the game. And he be spent. He's gone anaerobic every game.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

And at that point, it's just like, I just hope I can finish because he has nothing left.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You watch the chat. Y' all watched it?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

He doesn't even try to get to the rim. He doesn't even try to post up

[Ocho]

that first half over where he'd be too spent. He'd be too spent to try and fight and. And gain position down there in that post, in that mid post and be on balance. Like I'll say, when they throw that ball and he go to tipping it. Yeah. Next thing you know, they go another way.

[Joe]

So now, because he's already out of position, there ain't nobody to protect the paint.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

And.

[Joe]

And the thing was, look, they. They get whatever they want. I mean, they got a situation where Mikhail Bridges missed the three. Damn.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I have. Hey, Uncle Joe.

[Ocho]

What's up?

[Uncle Joe]

Yes. With a situation like this with the Knicks after not winning the championship in 53 years, Brunson having a series. Hell, Brunson having a season. Forget a playoff series.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

The season he's had, obviously, the disrespected, you know, with the. With the mass act, you know, offered him. Can he now get a Mac contract or. That's not the way. The way it works.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he just. He just signed a deal, didn't he?

[Joe]

Yeah, he gave up.

[Announcer]

He.

[Joe]

He didn't want the max. He wanted pieces. He knew that if I get a max contract, they're not gonna be able to put. They can't put bridges around me.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay.

[Joe]

They can't put OG around me. They can't put pieces around me.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

See, a lot of guys, like, the most. Everybody says they want to win. I want to win. Making max dollars, it's just hard to do it.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay?

[Joe]

Unless you got. Unless you get situations like what you got with Shay, a guy that was on a rookie con on a second contract, which wasn't a match. It gets harder and harder because at some point in time, they're gonna have to break. They're gonna have to break, okay, See, up. You can't have three guys making $250 million a year.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn. I mean. But, hey, but his value. His value is going up like. Like exponentially based on what he's making.

[Joe]

I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm.

[Joe]

Sure they. They. I'm sure they got ways to take care of it. Okay?

[Ocho]

But hold on. Hold on. Here in New York, that market, he gonna make crazy money off the court, especially now, Joe. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah. A champion like. Come on, man.

[Joe]

Come on, man. Gonna open just like Steph being in Silicon Valley and winning.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So he gets an opportunity that these ventures Come up, these venture capitalists, they go talk to him. Hey, Steph, would you like to be a part of this?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, Dre.

[Joe]

Now, New York, they got things down there. Hey, he's a champion, A.J. leBron said, hey, man, we'd love to have you be a part of this.

[Announcer]

Yes.

[Joe]

So, yeah, I, I think that. I think that's it. That's it. But you got to just tip your hat to the Knicks being down. And like I said, Joe, the problem that you run into, if somebody ever tracks you down, they believe they can continuously do it. Yeah, yeah. What was 16 points if we already done came back from 29? Just the game before, Joe. 13 fuel points. We gotta come from behind. Yeah, but, man, we absorbed that, man. 16, wasn't it 14 the first game? I mean, 13, 14, 14, 15. There's nothing to them, bro. And, and, and, and, and, and I. I don't know what's. What starts to seep. Doubt starts to see. I know it's. And they're gonna say, no, blah, blah, blah. Doubt starts to seep in your mind when you get a lead, and all of a sudden they whittle it down, man. In game one, in game two, in game three, in game four, in game five. It does. It's human nature.

[Ocho]

But hey, hey, but think about this. If you. The spurs, bro, I'm just thinking like, damn, in every game, even tonight when they were up 16, I'm thinking to myself, man, how do you get to this point every game? Okay, Ocho, to where you up double figures on this team. I'm talking about all you got to do is just play solid. And I'm talking about play after play, bro. It's like they'll do some dumb fouls, whether it's Harper, Fallon, Brunson at the half court line, just too, just too aggressive. Give him two, Give him two free throws. Hey, as a score, that's all I want. I want to see it go through the basket. A couple times. I done got a couple free throws. Next thing you know, now, yo, you can't cool me off.

[Uncle Joe]

Feeling good.

[Joe]

How many times they finally. I'm just saying, boy made the three point line, Joe.

[Ocho]

I know, man. It's just time and time. It's just like. It just started to compound. And I'm like, come on, bro, y' all gotta get it together.

[Joe]

They got us. They got a seven point lead to get. Try to get the rebound. Mitchell Robinson tips it in. Now it's a five point lead. Could have been a seven point leading. We go down there, maybe we get something. You get the situation. We got the rebound, we got three guys. All the Knicks have done gone back down the court. What happened? Ball goes out of bounds. Now they get the ball back, hit a three Right now it's a two point game.

[Ocho]

Right, right. It's.

[Joe]

It's things like that.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes.

[Joe]

That becomes self inflicted that you like. Oh my goodness. There we go.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They just can't stop the bleeding once. What a paper cut turns until you have to go to the trauma center when all you should be able to do is just put a band aid on it and be able to move on. Now I got to go to the trauma because I got to get 30 stitches.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, but hey, even with that going to the trauma center, it should only happen one time. The fact that it's happened multiple times.

[Ocho]

Ocho, I'm with you. I'm with you, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

It happened multiple times. Hey, Joe, if you make one mistake, you know, chances are when you in that situation again, you're not gonna make that same mistake twice.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And it's like once the lead is blown and the Knicks get it back down to six or five, it's a game now. Hell yeah. And you know, time and time again what has happened? The Knicks have prevailed. They came through in the clutch. I'm like, bro.

[Joe]

But you know what, Joe? I'm watching it. If, if you watch the spurs, as long as you allow them to get up and down, Joe, what happens in the first half, how they get that lead, Joe?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They getting up and down, spraying threes.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The moment you get it to a single digit game.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And now you got to execute. What do they do?

[Ocho]

Turnover.

[Joe]

Turnover after turnover. As long as you let them get up and down and they can get and kick and vest sale, Wawa and the champagne bo.

[Ocho]

Boom.

[Joe]

And you got Harper or you got Wimby, like, boom. The moment that you get them in a half court set and the game

[Ocho]

slows down and the game slows down,

[Joe]

that's when you get the Knicks in a half court set. They got a guy of all the guys.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, you right. It's different, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, one more thing. Mike Brown.

[Uncle Joe]

Take it.

[Joe]

Congratulations.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, you've been a lot.

[Joe]

Hey, you've been coach of the year a couple of times. I think he's coach of the year in Sacramento. He's the coach of the year. Won 66 games with LeBron, led them to the finals. He's a champion.

[Ocho]

Job well done. First year.

[Joe]

Job well done. I mean, I was Surprised that they fired Thibodeau.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Considering. And I think the thing is, is that they fired Thibodeau because they feel

[Uncle Joe]

he run him into the ground.

[Joe]

Well, this. I felt that once they beat Boston, the Knicks thought it was smooth sailing.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

Because Boston was a preeminent favorite. We took down the favorite, so we should be the favorite. Right. And lo and behold, what happened. Indiana got him.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yep.

[Joe]

It didn't seem like. And this is what I talk about sometimes. It didn't seem like the right move at the time, but it was absolutely the right move.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And that's what people say, well, if you fire him, who you gonna hire?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, there are plenty coaches out there.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Trade him. Who you gonna bring him in? Okay. Look where we're finishing with him. Yeah, we can finish there without him.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Mike Brown Duck deserves a ton of credit.

[Announcer]

Yes.

[Joe]

He deserves a ton of credit. He. Or deserves even more credit now, I don't know. For keeping Rick Brunson on the step. Maybe that was a. You can get this job, but his dad stays.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I don't know. But it was a great move.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And you hear Jalen talk about how it. Like, he's a coach when we there, he's my dad, but we're talking as a coach player, obviously. And he says, you know, it's great to have him around because you got to realize when I was a kid, my dad played in the NBA and he's all around. He says, I have my dad around more now than I at any point in time that I can remember.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That means something to it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But he also understands. I don't think he has kids of his own. The. The grind and the sacrifice that you gotta make. Yeah. And when you have your kids, you'll understand it.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

Because a lot of times kids don't understand what parents have to go through to sacrifice. But when you have your own kids, you have a greater appreciation.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

They're never understanding today.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Until they get their own.

[Ocho]

Hey, never, man. Do you hear me? Hey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey. Hey. Shout out to my guy. Worldwide west, too, for the New York Knicks, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, he put it together.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Play a partner of mine, man. Hey, he done a hell of a job with them, Knicks boy.

[Joe]

Oh, he's done an unbelievable job. He came in and you know what they gave up? I mean, you. You know, you think about like, hold on, they gave up how many first round picks with Mikhail Bridges?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, they paid off.

[Ocho]

Oh, Ocho. Huh? If I'm Diving Chinzo. I'm pissed. These mofos. And when they got a ring after they traded me, y', all, I ain't about nothing.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's a part of it, but the thing is, is that, and then Cat. Cat didn't have a great game tonight, but for the most part of the series, he did it. The first two games, he did an unbelievable job making it very, very difficult on Wimby, and he kept Wimby in a situation where Wemby had to play defense.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yep, yep. He won them first two games for him.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

And, and, and he made the spurs adjust by taking Wimby off a cat and putting like Castle somebody, letting them wrestle with him and, and, and, and having Wimby be that weak side help, which I ultimately thought it. You know, it worked at times.

[Joe]

It did.

[Ocho]

Yeah. But I thought Cat done his job in this series, winning them first two games for him.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, I turned off news altogether.

[Joe]

I hate to say it, but I

[Ocho]

don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Joe]

It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

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[Joe]

Kyrie Irving was going crazy at the top 100 camp they get they had a Can you Guard Kyrie. Challenge. Check this out. Four,

[Ocho]

3, 2, 1.

[Uncle Joe]

You know what's funny? It's one thing to be able to see Kyrie do this to the NBA players on the court. Being able to manipulate them, get them going way, get them going one way, and use their leverage and their momentum against him. Yeah, he's one of the best. The best handles. One of the best finishers. Right hand, left hand, it really doesn't matter. He can get to any spot on the floor whenever he wants to get to it. And what I like about this drill, what he was doing with those players is, for one, he's going to always be two or three steps ahead of everybody else. And having a plan in his head and what he wants to do with the ball, to be able to create that separation, man, he's one of the best. So to be able to see him with those at his camp, man, that's dope. To be able to see it like that up close and personal as opposed to from tv, you know, watching at home, but being able to see exactly how he's able to execute that stuff, man. Hey, Kyrie, obviously, I'm sure no one would argue the fact that he's probably the greatest ball handler and finisher at the rim of all time.

[Ocho]

You, you, you. Right, Ocho. I think carry out, they're using them boys cone drills. Hey, hey, he, he, he. He. He just. He got that ACL back, right, Ocho? He out there tested against them, young boy, because he already know he two, three steps ahead of them, you know, mentally, physically. They can't. They, they, they, they too many years behind to be able to even guard him. He knows and understand that. But what makes him so great is at his size, he's never gonna be the fastest. He's never gonna be the most explosive. None of that. It's angles, bro. He know how to take and use angles and use his body to create contact or to play or to play off contact. He knows how to cut you off in the peek and roll, you know, he has a. Obviously one of the greatest handles we've probably seen, and he understands and knows how to manipulate the defender in front of him, bro. How to get by you. He got too many tricks in his bag.

[Joe]

He's a guy that. He's thinking, okay, this is what I'm gonna do. But if he does this, this is my counter.

[Ocho]

Yeah, does that.

[Joe]

This is my counter. If he does this, and then this here's my counter. So he's always got a. He's always got A counter to your counter. And like you said, look, God, he knew what he was doing. Why would he ever make Kyrie Irving 6, 7 with that? The hell he already. If you look at it, he already can post.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

He could already play with his bag to the basket.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Now, okay, you give him the ball at the top of the key. What you gonna do? That's why they put the ball in his hands and this. And when they got that switch, because they knew Golden State was going to switch everything. And he's like, okay,

[Ocho]

yeah, big bing tray ball.

[Joe]

And what. What do you already know? In, out, hop, side, bam. He gonna get to that. That's his shot.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. That boy gonna be looking to. To get back in that conversation when that season started back up next year. Meaning, like being one of the top guards. I already know he gonna come back. He is. Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, you talk about the guy. He's a 50, 40, 30. A 50, 40, 90 guy. He can shoot 50 from the floor, 40 from the three. He can 90 from the free throw line. Oh. I mean, he's a three level scorer.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

A guy that, that. I mean, yeah, he could dunk, but you talking about a guy that doesn't play above the rim. Nobody can finish below the rim like he can the angle in which he can the. The English in which he could put on the basketball.

[Uncle Joe]

Nobody.

[Ocho]

My boy. Nice.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Be nice.

[Joe]

And please. He is. He is ridiculous.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on.

[Ocho]

What's that?

[Uncle Joe]

You know, Kyrie gonna be with Dallas next year still, huh?

[Joe]

Well, I see, I. I see, I see. I think there's a greater chance that they trade him than keep him. What you think, Joe?

[Ocho]

I just think he'll feel so great playing with Cooper. Cooper Flag, he'll take some of that pressure off of him, but he probably has so much value right now that you probably could get you some, you know, maybe some more good young talent to go along with Cooper. I don't know, man.

[Joe]

Running back with him and Katie in Houston.

[Ocho]

Would I.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, they were missing the point, but they got to get rid of

[Ocho]

what

[Uncle Joe]

he gonna go to Dallas.

[Ocho]

You saying, like, take send Kyrie to Houston?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And Van Fleet over. Over to Dallas.

[Ocho]

Well, that'll be nasty.

[Joe]

First round draft picks. Because I. Look, the thing is, do I think? Do I think. Look, it's two dookies. Number one overall pick. Do I think they can play together? I think Kyrie would welcome that. But the question is, if you're gonna make this Cooper flags team,

[Ocho]

I think for Dallas. Hell you didn't gave up Luca. Ain't no way in hell you gonna give up Kyrie. You're gonna have to keep some. You don't have to keep some type of star power in there. At least you're gonna have to give

[Joe]

him at least this year. Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you're gonna have to at least give him a year.

[Joe]

But it looks good. Two years removed. He, he, he 100% healthy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. You see, hey, you see how he come through that lane? Slow stepping,

[Uncle Joe]

moving like that. Change of pace.

[Ocho]

He got it.

[Joe]

Neko Guma K scores 24 points against her former team to help the Sparks meet the storm. 88, 83. NECA scored a season high 24 points. She grabbed nine rebounds and to move in the fourth place in the WNBA career list. Passer Rebecca Brunson. Kelsey Plum had 19 points and 11 assists. Cameron Brink had 15 points off the bench. And get her to be as great as she is. I don't think she's ever been on an Olympic team, Joe.

[Ocho]

Who A boomer gang?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Really?

[Joe]

Yeah. I don't think so.

[Ocho]

She can go now. Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, absolutely. Because, you know, most of the time they had Brittney Griner, they had Tina Charles, they had a serial fouls. I think CP Candace Parker made it and now then they went to Stewie and then they went to Asia Wilson. So I don't, I don't, I don't know.

[Ocho]

Joe.

[Joe]

KP was 6 or 17. 2 of 9 from the 3. 5 of 8. She's rusty coming back off of that. Coming back off of that ankle injury.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cameron break. I'm looking at the point five or seven. Erica Wheeler had 10 points.

[Ocho]

But what's the LA Sparks? What's their record, huh?

[Joe]

Six and six.

[Ocho]

Six and six. All right.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, the W. NBA 82. What was WNBA? How many games they played?

[Joe]

They gonna play like 40 something mocho in the 40s, I think.

[Ocho]

Yes. It's in good hands. The girls game moving in a. It's moving in.

[Joe]

I don't. I don't. If I'm not off the top of my head, I don't remember her being on the Olympic team. I don't think I said they're big normally. Obviously the last couple, the last two, it's been Stewie and Asia.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

With bg.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Then you had Sylvia Files and then you had BG on that squad. Cp I think she was on one.

[Ocho]

What about uh, Della? Done.

[Joe]

What did uh, Elon. Della Dopa. Della Dover.

[Ocho]

Yeah. She could.

[Joe]

Please. You know, she transferred out of UConn. She'd have been there with Maya Moore.

[Ocho]

Oh, no, I didn't know that.

[Joe]

Yes, she had. She had a. If I'm not mistaken, a special needs sister.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

She wanted to be. She wanted to be close with herself.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So she left him. She went back. I think she's from Delaware.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, can you imagine her and Maya more on the same team? Joe and Ocho, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, girls. Hey.

[Joe]

If I'm not mistaken, I think Tina Charles was there too.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hold on, hold on. Is she still playing, though? Is Della Don still.

[Joe]

You retired? No, she retired. Yeah. She had injuries, I think her knees. Yeah, yeah, but she. She could get shade. She was. Oh, she could get it.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

She could. Flat out scored a basketball.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Elena Delladon. Yeah, yeah. Not Delladova Delanon, but congrats. Neca. Brittany Sykes matches a career high with 38 points. The expansion Toronto Temple outlast the sun. 106, 102 in OT. The Temple won the fourth time in five games. They trail by 14 points in the second quarter. The sky was 13 to 13 from the free throw line, making four in the final one point or one. One minute and 19 seconds of regulation. Marina Marbury added 21. Man, I'll check out the tempo. I mean, you know, I. I know they're a new, you know, new team, Joe, but I hadn't really, really had a whole lot of. Played a whole lot of attention to him.

[Ocho]

Hold on. My girl Sykes, when went off, she, she. I don't know if she live out here in Atlanta, but I know what was me and her working out at together. We was working out of the gym together. She didn't want off with what she had. 38 tonight.

[Joe]

38, yep. That girl got perfect from the free throw line. Marina Marbury had 21, Sabali. Had 15.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Whole sign at 2 and 12. Temple not doing too bad to be an expansion team.

[Ocho]

Now they ain't. Britney can go though. Real talk. She can play. Yeah, like she got some real game. She had 38 tonight. She has. She got some real game.

[Joe]

In an interview with Time, Sean Gregory lebron said, while Michael Jordan might hold more influence, the identity of the Goat is beyond a doubt. I'm not taking nobody over me. There's no question. But I think Mike will say the same thing, rest his soul. Kobe would say the same thing. Magic would say the same thing. Bird would say the same thing. Shaq could say the same thing. The late Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem I don't think none of us are going to take nobody over us. If there's a general manager and he's eyeballing us all on the baseline with the number one pick, I think it's going to be really hard not to take me champ. Joe, if you're building a franchise, you're building an NBA franchise from scratch. All the names that he's mentioned, who you taking?

[Ocho]

I'm taking MJ. I'm taking MJ1, fellas.

[Joe]

Okay?

[Ocho]

That's who I'm taking. Who you taking on?

[Joe]

Why you taking mj?

[Ocho]

Why I'm taking mj? Yes, the reasons is, first off, he's a two way guy. Not only a two, he gonna dominate both ends of the floor.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

He gonna score 40, 50. He gonna share this man down. He ain't, he ain't having that right. You know what I mean? And I just, for me growing up, I think they all goaded. That's why, that's why when I, when I, when I category a lot of these greats, I just say, man, he goated. But, you know, obviously MJ is the guy I grew up watching, idolizing. But all those guys got goat status, man. I guess it's a preference.

[Joe]

I totally agree, Ojo. I mean, you got the number one pick.

[Uncle Joe]

Start a franchise. I mean, that's really difficult. You have to think the game of basketball based on the areas that they played in was, was completely different. But These players that LeBron did mention are players that could play in any damn era. So it really doesn't matter. They would be effective regardless of what era they played in regards to what position they played. So, like Joe did say it probably could, it does come down to preference. And for me, as much as I love LeBron, as much as I love Magic and Kareem, and much as I love Shaq, as dominant as Shaq was doing his tenure, you know, when he played, I just, I prefer MJ. Love LeBron.

[Joe]

Love, love him to death.

[Uncle Joe]

LeBron can do no wrong in my eyes. Based on what he's been able to accomplish, you know, since coming out of high school and having all the expectations bestowed upon him to be the chosen one. And he's lived up to every single one, plus some, you know, but, but just, just MJ in general. I mean, why? Because of his dominance when he did Play. Even though LeBron dominated as well at MJ's height, you know, I'm not sure how many finals he won. I'm not, I can't really say it off the Top thing. But was it five or six?

[Joe]

Yes, six. Finals, six. Zero.

[Uncle Joe]

Being six. Zero. And never losing his cultural impact, his influence, long after the game is going, long after he's done playing. Just so many different factors, you know, come into play when it comes in, but you can't go wrong at this point. It's kind of nitpicking, you know, and it's really based off preference on who you like.

[Joe]

Yeah, me. I'm going to take LeBron for the simple fact he can do all things. Well, Great. He can score the basketball, he can rebound the basketball, he can facilitate an offense. And I think he can do that better than, say, Kobe and, and, and, and, and Jordan. Now, can he facilitate an offense better than Magic? Probably not, but Magic couldn't score the basketball like he could or rebound the basketball like he could.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

We look at some of these bigs, they could score and rebound, but they couldn't run an offense like he could.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

And so for me, if I'm starting a franchise, and I'm probably now, it all depends if I'm, I'm starting and ain't nobody else on the roster. I don't have anybody else.

[Ocho]

Right, Right.

[Joe]

I'm built. I'm going to have to build my roster around him. I'm going to take, I'm going to take. I'm going to take Brian. And like you said, Now, LeBron, Kobe and Jordan have both more defensive award, all NBA defensive teams. But I don't think, for me, I don't know if any individual had more on his plate than what LeBron was asked to do, to score the basketball, to rebound the basketball and to facilitate his offense. Jordan was asked to score, and he did that in the Elite Raid as well as anybody in the history of the game. Kobe was asked to do that, but he did have Shaq to rebound the basketball.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he did.

[Joe]

So LeBron really never had that kind of dominant player. Magic did have Kareem. LeBron has never had anybody like that. So for me, and like you said, Joe, it's all about preference. And you not take. Because everybody that LeBron mentioned, yeah, if you wanted to nitpick, you could, but it's hard. It's hard. When you look at his resume and his body of work and what was asked of him on a nightly basis, I don't know if he's ever had a game where they say, lebron, we just need you to score. Lebron, we just need you to facilitate the offense. Lebron, we just need you to rebound. I don't know if he's ever had a game like that. And I feel that other players have all had situations where they were asked to do one thing, but not those things, and LeBron had to do them more times than not, and he had to be great in all three phases. So that's why I would take LeBron. But if I had drafted LeBron before I got him, I'm not going to be mad if I got Jordan. I'm not going to be mad if I got Kobe. I'm not going to be mad if I got Magic or Bird. Because what people don't realize, Bird averaged 24, 10 and six. Let that sink in. He was 24 points a night, 10 rebounds a night, six assists tonight. That's what Larry Bird did. So I think the thing is, Joe, in this Internet era, if it didn't happen and they didn't see it, or it didn't happen, or the guy wasn't any good, right? Y' all need to go back and check some of these old guys. Y' all better go check Magic Johnson out. Y' all better go check out Kareem. Y' all better go check out Larry Bird.

[Ocho]

Yeah, no, listen, I don't think it's a wrong answer, and I agree with you, but for me, you know, I don't think nobody see seen MJ coming into the league doing what he done.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, they didn't. No.

[Ocho]

Because if that was a damn case, he would have went number one. I don't give a damn who had the number one pick. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Houston had number one take. They took Elijah one.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. So he would have went one. You know what I mean? So I just felt like Bron superseded expectations. No doubt. He had the most weight on his shoulders coming into the NBA and to be able to surpass all that, like, hey, bro, no gripe or grown. He one of my favorite players to watch. Obviously, I love competing against him. He was great and still is, but I just feel like they're all goaded, bro. And it's a preference when you talk about how you want to start your team or who you want to start your team with. I mean, hell, these all goes, bro.

[Joe]

You're right. You're absolutely right. I'm trying to look up because, Joe, I don't think Elijah one. I mean, Elijah one senior year. I mean, his junior year, because he left early, he might have didn't average with like 10 points a game, 13 points a game, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know them guys over 100 college games.

[Joe]

He averaged 13.3. Oh, okay. He left. His junior year he averaged 17 points, almost 14 rebounds. His freshman year he averaged 8 points, 6 rebounds. And then his sophomore year he averaged 14 points, 11 rebounds. But you had to see him, if you watched him move in college, it was a no brainer that he was going to be what he was in college because you got to realize he really didn't play basketball. But, but this his junior year might have been his fourth year playing basketball. He's a soccer player. Yeah, but the way he could move, the way he could get up and down the court, Joe. And the way he could elevate and the way he defended, you're like, oh yeah, he can't miss. He can't miss. He can't miss. It's the same thing I said about Trey Young. I say Trey Young is going to be. That's that man, he's so small. I said, guess what? If you take away a score and he still can facilitate.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I said the guy's averaging 27 and 10. So if you can facilitate in college, even if they take the 27, let's just say, okay, all of a sudden he don't average but 20. You don't want a 2010 point guard.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

There ain't a whole lot of point guard that's ever averaged 20 and 10. Nope.

[Ocho]

Nope.

[Joe]

So that's why I felt Elijah 1. Jordan, Jordan played in the system. Dean Smith ain't let nobody get outside of that system. Not even Michael Jordan. Jordan. So that's what held him back.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And the, the, the, the, the joke is the only, per, the only man that's ever hold Michael Jordan under 20 points a game was Dean Smith. So no, nobody saw this, Nobody's, nobody saw this coming. I watched Jordan his, from his freshman year when he hit that when they got to the, the NCAA tournament. And I watched him and I watched him his sophomore year and his junior year. Nobody, nobody would have bet any amount of money that Michael Jordan was going to turn out to be what he was. No chance, right, bro. You go from averaging what he averaged, he go. He averaged 28 points a game as a, as a, as a rookie. Who the hell average 28 points a game as a damn rookie?

[Ocho]

That's what, that's what I'm, that's. See, that's what I don't think a lot of people, they ain't see the early MJ. They seen 97, 98 MJ when he was already polished.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that was the old Jim Day. That couldn't really elevate like he could earlier. They needed to catch MJ from when he got to League 84 and through those first three championships. That's when they. That was the athletic MJ. That was the MJ. That was the MJ. Now, he developed that turnover because he didn't have that TurnAround his first five or six years in the league. He was just going over people.

[Ocho]

Man. Listen, listen. A couple of my favorite NBA series to watch still to this day, 2026, is when 1993 Chicago played against the Phoenix Suns, when Charles Barkley won that whole series. And you could tell how MJ took it so personal, bro. He was. Hey, man, the man was unreal. And when I watched him play, this might have been like 91, 92 when they played against Portland when they had Clyde and him and you talking about a raw mj, bro. Come on.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, that might have been. Yo, that might have been 92, because he played. The first one was LA, then Portland, and then. And then Phoenix.

[Ocho]

Hey, man, that man.

[Joe]

Everything personal.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

He took it because he felt that they gave Charles Barkley his mvp. Yeah, he felt. Nobody said Clyde Drexel was damn better than Michael Jordan. But somebody said. They said. Well, is he comparable? The real fact. He felt that somebody could fix their mouth to say Clyde Drexler is comparable to me. He felt that was an insult.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes, yes. Anything. Anything. You didn't shake his hand. Oh, oh, you're not gonna shake my hand. You're not gonna acknowledge me? He took everything personal. He still does.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Y' all heard his hall of Fame speech. The guy that cut it, the guy that got his spot on the back parts of the basketball team.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he needs that to get him going. He's always looking for something. He's looking for something to kind of, you know, trying to have an edge or the way it can put him in a state of mind where he go in the kill mode. Kill.

[Joe]

Yes. They say, Mike. Ain't nobody say that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he did. Mike.

[Joe]

That man didn't say that. He didn't say that. But as competitive to this day as it is, and, I mean, it was a joy to watch him. I mean, the. I don't know if we'll see anybody that has that aura again. No, Joe.

[Ocho]

Nah. Because you, you, everybody. It seems as though we're all so close together because of the, you know, everybody has a phone, everybody has a camera.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Yeah. See, back then, you couldn't hear if you didn't turn that TV on. You probably weren't gonna see him if

[Joe]

you didn't go to the game. That's the only time you saw Mike.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You had to go to the game. The likelihood of you bumping into him, and if you bumped into him, you had no way to record it or say it, man. Cause guess what? There was no cell phones.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

I mean, there wasn't no camera phones on your cell phone, and nobody walked around with a camera, so you just had to. Man, I saw my. Man, you ain't seen no Michael. Shut up. I ain't seen no damn Michael Jordan. Where you see Michael Jordan at? Hey, and I saw Michael Jordan, man. Shut up.

[Ocho]

You had to pull out that little yellow camera.

[Joe]

Exactly. And most people didn't have cameras with them.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe. The little disposable.

[Ocho]

Yeah, a little disposable, but.

[Joe]

And plus, now, because like you said, Joe, because of the Internet, we're so close. There was a mystique about Mike.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

There's no mystique. We see. And guess what? Guys have allowed us, a lot of guys have allowed us to come in, to come into their homes or to be in their cars. It would have been very. The only thing that I wish is that Mike would have played and to see how open, how amenable he would have been to social media, knowing how guarded and how private that he is. How amenable would he been to social media?

[Uncle Joe]

I don't think.

[Ocho]

I don't know.

[Uncle Joe]

Change.

[Ocho]

I. I don't.

[Joe]

That's it. That's all I would like to see. Because he is. He's really. No, he's really a private person. Yeah, he really is. He goes somewhere when he. It might be his event, but he gonna be in the back. You don't think you just gonna walk in, because there are a lot of events. You walk in and you see the host. Right away, you see upstairs. Not him. He ducked up in the back. Yeah, he ducked up in the back, too.

[Ocho]

A Too polarizing, bro.

[Joe]

I ain't never seen anything like it. I've never seen anything like it. Like I said, I. I saw Prince. I was. I was two feet away from Prince. I seen a lot of celebs. I seen a lot of entertainers. Ain't seen nothing like him.

[Ocho]

Hey. Oh, Ocho, I'm telling y'. All. Listen, as a Brand Jordan athlete, bro, we had so many get togethers. I catch myself sometimes just staring at the man like, damn. Like, that's. That's. That's what it was, bro. It was. I can't even explain it. You know, as a kid, I tell

[Joe]

people that all the time.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

He doesn't seem real. I don't care. Name a person, an athlete that's ever seen Michael Jordan and everything they say, from Allen Iverson to Shaq to whomever, and they're some of the biggest stars themselves. He don't see.

[Uncle Joe]

Everybody got the same story. Same.

[Joe]

He, I mean, he like, he levitating

[Ocho]

Joker. Taylor, Taylor. He, Taylor, everything. He got on every. His damn sweats, shorts to his jeans. I'm the damn.

[Joe]

That man got on that elevator with his first wife. That door opened up, I'm like, I mean, like, I'm sure he's like, I know who you are. They introduce me that, this is my, this is my wife, blah, blah, blah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, tell his wife he got a brother play for the Bears. I mean, for the, the Packers.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He's a bad boy. So I met your mom at the casino one time. I said, okay, yeah. And, you know, that was it. And I'm looking at it, and I was like, I just had a conversation with Mike. He didn't seem real. He still. And I've seen him several times since then.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And every time it's the same feeling. That man levitating, that man ain't real. Anybody that's ever met him for the first time, they'll tell you the same thing. He don't seem real. I've never seen anybody like it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I've never seen anything like it. Like I said from, you know, I met Denzel, I met Samuel Jackson. I'm talking about, I met Big, big up to my Oprah. All them ain't met nothing like him. This dude here, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I, I, I'm thinking the only guy that's comparable Ocho is the original mj. Michael Jackson.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

I'm thinking, and I've never met him, but I'm thinking that's the only guy that's called.

[Uncle Joe]

You know what? When you think about it, too, right? It's, it's comparable based on you knowing much about him, on how you revere mj. So think about how you feel and what it was like for you to meet mj. Think about how women, regardless of who they are, regards to ethnicity, how they feel about if they have the opportunity to meet Beyonce. It's the same thing. It's the same way, probably, right, Ojo? Yeah. There are stars.

[Joe]

I've been very fortunate. I've had an opportunity to meet her. Met. Oh, Nice cordial. Receptive to courtesy. And I'm you know and it's always like damn, you know I'm always call my sister. You're never gonna guess who I met when I met Oprah at the Four Seasons. On in New York. On met her and Gail. I met Beckham's wife. What's. What's Victoria Beckham? Victoria Beckham? Yeah. Victoria Beckham met her at the Four Seasons. Real we. I mean like you know I always call my sister. You never gonna guess who I met but that number 23 from Chicago.

[Uncle Joe]

Different.

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