Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Aaron Rodgers at OTAs + Deshaun Watson leading Shedeur Sanders in Browns QB Battle?

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Deebo & Joe, Part 1: Aaron Rodgers at OTAs + Deshaun Watson Leading Shedeur Sanders in Browns QB Battle?

Date: May 19, 2026
Host: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Hayden

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Club Shay Shay features former NFL stars James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Hayden dissecting recent developments in both NBA playoffs and NFL offseasons. The focus shifts between NBA playoff action (with a special look at Victor Wembanyama’s dominance), and then, in depth, to offseason drama in the NFL: Aaron Rodgers’ participation at Pittsburgh Steelers OTAs and the quarterback competition in Cleveland between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders.

The hosts break down player performances, team dynamics, key injuries, and insider reports—offering sharp insight from their own pro football perspective, delivered in a candid, conversational tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA Playoff Recap: Wemby’s Alien Performance (05:07–12:22)

• NBA Playoffs Intensity:
  • Joe and Deebo open by marveling at a double-overtime playoff game between the Spurs and Thunder, calling out the high-caliber Western Conference competition.

    “They needed double overtime between the team that was sweeping through everything.” – Deebo (05:26)

• Victor Wembanyama ("Wemby") Hype:
  • Joe calls Wemby a "certified alien" for his exceptional, almost otherworldly play, citing his 41-point, 24-rebound playoff game.

    “Did you see him yesterday? ... Wemby is a certified alien.” – Joe (06:27)

  • Their banter includes playful debates about whether Wemby needs to bulk up or maintain his unique physical traits.
  • Shout out to non-superstars like Alex Caruso stepping up big (playoff career high 31 points, tough defense on Wemby).

2. NFL OTAs: Aaron Rodgers Returns to Steelers (12:25–26:13)

• Rodgers’ Comeback:
  • News drops that Aaron Rodgers is officially at Steelers OTAs after re-signing and never actually clearing out his locker, signaling he “never really left.”

    “Rogers never cleaned out his locker from the 2025 season. So you know the feeling was—he never left, baby.” – Deebo (12:35)

• Impact on Locker Room:
  • Deebo praises the instant credibility and morale boost Rodgers brings.

    “It’s an automatic buy in… it boosts morale, the confidence of the players, you know, and when you had that, bro, that helps your team out.” – Deebo (18:17)

  • Michael Pittman Jr. expresses excitement about playing with another Hall of Fame QB (after Philip Rivers), commenting on the need to develop chemistry with Rodgers.

    “You’ve just got to get to know certain quarterbacks… it’s just timing, it’s trust.” – Pittman via Deebo (19:36)

• Value of Early Chemistry:
  • Both hosts stress the importance of taking OTAs seriously for timing, trust, and rep-building, especially with so many new skill players in the mix (DK Metcalf, Pittman Jr., Jeremy Bernard).

    “I would love for him to be here now, then later—because all of this is nothing but reps, nothing but timing, nothing but building, nothing but camaraderie.” – Joe (20:20)

• Steelers Offense Preview:
  • They forecast a high-ceiling offense, highlighting the matchup nightmares presented by Pittman, Metcalf, and rookie Jeremy Bernard—a “yak monster.”

    “If teams double him (DK), then that’s going to leave me free… and if they’re going to double me, that’s going to leave him free.” – Pittman via Deebo (21:39)

  • The tight end room (Pat Freiermuth and Darnell Washington) is set for a big year with Rodgers under center.
• Caveat About Media Narratives:
  • Deebo cautions the media not to switch narratives if Rodgers’ sideline “corrections” get blown out of proportion midseason:

    “Don’t switch up. Like, don’t do that. When they kill your narrative... keep that same energy in the finish.” – Deebo (25:54)

3. Offensive Line Uncertainty: Broderick Jones & Roster Moves (27:52–38:54)

• Broderick Jones Injury Update:
  • Jones returns to non-contact work post neck surgery, but did not participate fully. Steelers are shuffling their O-line, trialing players at new positions (Fontuna to LT, McCormick to LG, Cook at RT).
  • The hosts discuss rookie first-rounder Max Ehanasure’s development and path to a starting tackle job:

    “Don’t make no mistakes, the less you make…the quicker you gonna be able to slide up.” – Joe (38:08)

  • Emphasis on not rushing but giving the rookie time to learn before promotion.

4. Defensive Improvement: Communication & Coach Critique (38:54–49:00)

• Alex Highsmith’s Focus:
  • Highsmith pinpoints communication and detail as two things that can take the Steelers’ defense to the next level.

    “The top thing—really, they're talking about—is communication and detail.” – Deebo (38:54)

  • Deebo and Joe, both ex-defensive stars, stress that lack of communication and technique led to busted coverages and mistakes last year.
• Veteran Insights:
  • Joe:

    “The communication and talking is not fake talking—you’re not just talking out there to be talking… It has to be a flow, everybody knows what's going on.” (41:29)

  • Both call for players to "do your job first," stick to their assignment, and then help others—criticizing selfish play that breaks defensive structure:

    “You have one job to do out there, and that’s hold this gap… one single player being selfish… could bust the whole defense up…” – Joe (41:29)

5. Browns QB Battle: Deshaun Watson vs. Shedeur Sanders (49:37–59:14)

• OTA Timeline & Insider Reports:
  • Cleveland’s QB competition will get clarity by mandatory minicamp (June 9–11), with level-headed analysis from ESPN’s Tony Grossi and Jeremy Fowler.
  • Deshaun Watson reportedly “has hit it off” with new OC Todd Monken, whose concepts suit Watson’s skillset.

    “I’m told he hit it off with Todd Monken, who's got an offensive concept... that Watson has run in the past and been at his best at.” – Fowler (51:10)

  • Some question Boulder coach Deion Sanders’ (Shedeur’s father) involvement and whether it helps or hinders Shedeur’s transition.
• Joe’s Fans Perspective:
  • Joe urges Browns fans not to pit the QBs against each other—root for the best player in camp, don’t tear Watson down to support Shedeur or vice versa:

    “If you're a Shador fan ... you don't want to have to knock Deshaun to try to bump Shador.” – Joe (53:46)

  • He calls for patience—reminding listeners that no real “competition” is happening yet (just OTAs, with no pads or live bullet gameplay), and that both QBs will eventually get their shot.

    “There hasn't been any preseason games. Last time I saw Deshaun Watson, he was moving a little bit slower ... so with not pads on, everybody in practice can look a little bit better than when you are in the real game.” – Joe (55:35)

  • The media is accused of inflaming the narrative, but Joe emphasizes he is rooting for both guys:

    “I want Deshaun Watson to do well ... but I can still see, in the same way, in the fashion, I do want Shedeur to succeed. I'm not trying to knock another man.” (57:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Wemby Praise:

  “Wemby is a certified alien. Did you see him yesterday?” – Joe (06:27)

• Locker Room Energy with Rodgers:

  "It's an automatic buy in… it boosts morale, the confidence of the players." – Deebo (18:17)

• Importance of OTAs:

  "All of this is nothing but reps, nothing but timing, nothing but building, nothing but camaraderie." – Joe (20:20)

• Media Narratives Warning:

  "Don’t switch up. Like, don’t do that. When they kill your narrative... keep that same energy in the finish." – Deebo (25:54)

• On Defensive Assignment:

  "You have one job to do out there, and that’s hold this gap… one single player being selfish… could bust the whole defense up…” – Joe (41:29)

• On Browns QB Narrative:

  “If you're a Shador fan ... you don't want to have to knock Deshaun to try to bump Shador.” – Joe (53:46)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• NBA Playoff/Wemby Discussion (05:07–12:22)
• Aaron Rodgers’ Return & Steelers Offense (12:25–26:13)
• Steelers Offensive Line Adjustments (27:52–38:54)
• Defensive Communication and Technique (38:54–49:00)
• Browns QB Battle Breakdown (49:37–59:14)

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Recap & Tone

James Harrison and Joe Hayden use their NFL expertise and locker room wisdom to deliver an unfiltered, insight-filled take on the latest sports news. Their conversations blend hard analysis with playful banter (“You swimming in a triple medium jersey!”) and passionate perspectives on football culture, roster-building, and the pitfalls of fan/media overreaction.

Listeners come away with:

• A nuanced understanding of the Steelers’ and Browns’ offseason storylines
• Veteran insight into team chemistry, coaching, and the process behind “buy in”
• Realistic caution about drawing conclusions from early reports or media hype

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Perfect for:
Fans eager for intelligent, relatable breakdowns of player moves and camp battles, with a little NBA flavor and plenty of no-nonsense football talk.

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[Joe Hayden]

Doing good, brother. Deebo. Doing good. Good day. We got a Cavs day on the way, so very excited about that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, you got a game, what, 8 o' clock tonight against New York, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

In Madison Square. In the Garden. In the Garden. My boys gotta come ready.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, they need to. They gotta come ready. I know you seen that game over there between them boys over there with the spurs and the Thunder. Now it's double overtime.

[Joe Hayden]

I goodness. Did you watch the game?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, man, I'm just trying to tell you since you said I might be a curse, I'm going with anybody in the West.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay? Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Understand that. All right. No, listen Joe, let's be honest, let's be honest. After seeing that, yes, that's a double overtime. Yes, they need to double overtime to even get a decision. To hell with who won. They needed double overtime between the team that Was sweeping through everything.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. They need a double. Do you really want your Cavs to be able to somehow miraculously, like, squeak through and beat New York and get up there and get the dog walked on you.

[Joe Hayden]

You, You.

You live to play the game. I want my calves in the ship versus anybody. So before all that. Yes, Deebo, I don't care what you talking about. But that game yesterday. Victor. Emianna. Victor and Bianna. This what I tried to tell you and Bianna.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What's that?

[Joe Hayden]

Wimbiana. Wemby.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Wemby. I got you.

[Joe Hayden]

All right, Let me just go.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, just go with Wemby. Yeah, let's go.

[Joe Hayden]

Wimby.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Wemby is a certified alien. Did you see him yesterday?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Bro, I've been seeing this dude all year.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know how, but this is why I tried to tell you. Everybody was saying, oh, no. Okc, okc, okc.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen. Still took them double.

[Joe Hayden]

It's still. But guess what?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He can't do that every game.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen to me. They didn't have de' Aaron Fox. They didn't have their starting point guard playing. But who cares? Because they had my man Dylan Harper, the number two overall pick. Do you see him out there stepping up? They got other players, so OKC gonna have to tighten up. Holmgren love him to death. He went. He don't really. Him and Wimby got beef. He's seven foot two.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He gonna have to do something.

[Joe Hayden]

Eight. Eight and two ain't gonna cut it with my man. Dropped 41 and 24.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You gotta do something, man. You gotta give me some more points or you gotta slow him down better

[Joe Hayden]

than what else you gotta do. You got to slow him down, too, on defense. You know why? Because they got Alex Caruso, Jalen Williams and my man Dirt. Dirt. Dirt all guarding him. They're all six, five. You gotta guard him, Shaq. You got to. You're seven feet, too.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, listen. If you are, that's all you go give me. I need you to be on defense 24 7. Like your life. Depend on it, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

Find a lot.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All you go, give me eight. N. I can't. Listen, man, go ahead. We go figure out how to pick up the rest of the. From somewhere else. Because 8 and 8, I get that from the bench. I get that somewhere for sure. Like, go ahead and put your hands on him. Like, go. Like, do something.

[Joe Hayden]

Stand up, fight. Listen. Shout out to Alex Caruso because he was out there, dropped 31 and was guarding Wimby. Getting steals, playing defense. You're not going to get 31 from Alex Caruso all the time. That was his playoff career high. That was unbelievable. He balled out of his mind. Shay 24. They're D and Shay up. They're pushing two at them. They gonna have to have other people perform.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

This is true.

[Joe Hayden]

The spurs was looking nice. That's a fact. Wemby looking like a true alien if he stays healthy. Like, I never seen nobody that tall. Deebo, normally, once you get over seven feet, your knees, you be moving funny. You don't know how to really handle your limbs.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You look different, you move, you look

[Joe Hayden]

weird, you start looking funny. Once you get over 7 foot, he's athletic, he's flexible. You've seen the video. The man that can do the split, like mobile. So I just pray for health and you know what I'm saying? Just him being that tall, you know what I'm saying? Dudes normally, knees and back and stuff go out, but him, if he stays, he's still light.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He's still light and limber.

[Joe Hayden]

Still light. He can get a little bit of weight on him.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You've seen him doing the work in the off season with the flexibility, and

[Joe Hayden]

he's getting a little bit bigger. Like, if he does what Giannis did, he don't have to get completely that swole, but still put on a little bit of weight.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What do you need to put on a little bit of weight for? He's still doing it right now. You can't do nothing with him.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, but I know you can

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

put on a little bit of muscle. I understand all that, but just a little bit.

[Joe Hayden]

Just so he can go take all the bumps.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Any other effect that you got now, like, come on now.

[Joe Hayden]

Just so all of the bumps, though, they all. Now they just getting into him. And because he's so tall, he's so. So. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to have his limbs just frozen around. You gotta put a little bit of. Just a. You could be like me, you know what I'm saying? Like, no, I'm not selling. He gotta get swollen, like, jacked arms like you. I'm saying just a little bit of. You know what I'm saying? Hold up.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hold up.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Cause you. Cause hold time.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Why you playing? You like muscle or something?

[Joe Hayden]

You see, that's a rock. Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You see that rock? Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

My vision must be bad. I can't. I can't see it. I can't see a damn thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Nugget on the top that look like that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, man, that look like you swimming in a. A triple medium jersey.

[Joe Hayden]

Look at it hold up. Look at that. Boom. Look at that rock. Look at that nugget on top of that. 23. Oh. What?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, your arm. Stop, Joe. Now you want to talk about me? That's a blatant, outright. Just lie, Joe. 23.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the tattoo on it. Oh, okay, okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I thought you was trying to say you were sitting on 23 rounds.

[Joe Hayden]

No, Debo. No, no, no, no.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, okay. Was that a tattoo you earned or were you sleep when you got that, too?

[Joe Hayden]

Earned it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Wide awake. Wide awake.

[Joe Hayden]

All of that. Only one. I told you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Well, like I said, we gonna see come 8 o' clock when the Knicks go ahead and put. They go ahead and put their hands on them.

[Joe Hayden]

You don't believe that. You just trying to go Knicks and then you want to go whoever's on the West. You just want somebody to beat the Cavs. You got three dogs in the race, and that's unfair.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, it's not.

[Joe Hayden]

It's all good.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, it's not. No, it's not, Joe. It's what needs to happen. Because you had to say that I would be bad luck if I. I was gonna root for the Cavs. I was gonna actually root for the cast. I was. I was contemplating it. I was in the. I was in a strong fight to try and make sure I rooted for the cast. But then you go tell me and you know they ain't got a shot in hell if they make it past the next of winning the NBA championship.

[Joe Hayden]

You lost your mind.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, you say they got a shot?

[Joe Hayden]

His dog's in the fight. Once we get in the fight, you can't tell me nothing. We got to get. We got to get there. It's going to be. It's going to.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You ever seen the pit bull fight at Chihuahua?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not talking ahead. We not talking to head first. We got to handle the Knicks first. We got to handle the Knicks. Mobley, our big men. What do you don't even see? You don't even know they got. They. They.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Big man

[Joe Hayden]

Mobley got to play big the same way we did versus Detroit, Game seven.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, Joe, I'm saying, hey, they make it to the finals, do you really want to see that? Do you really want to see old Wimy over there?

[Joe Hayden]

Thousand percent. I'm. I'm going.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm going. I will be there in the land. All right?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm. I'm gonna go ahead and bounce past man. Aaron Rodgers took part in the Steelers first OTA officially signing his contract.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Rogers never they said in the article it said Rogers never cleaned out his locker from the 2025 season. So you know the feeling was he he never left baby. Roger was back on the field for OTA's this well yeah, yesterday, Monday, and is ready to get to work with his old coach Mike McCarthy. Yes, 13 years in green Bay, baby. Look here. That boy, Alex Highsman. He said, he said he said it's awesome having him back. He said he's a he's a mysterious guy, not much into social media. That's just who he is. He's a great dude though. Joe that's funny. Alex funny dude, but he real Alex funny, but he real dude. Like I will say this, like with all the reports of like Aaron Rodgers and like Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts I I can't stop scratching my downtown. Mm, yeah, but I'm not itching to

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know, like a difficult personality to deal with. And you know, I haven't heard like anything from anybody in the Steelers organization, front office to players that said they've had any issues like that. And from what little interactions I've had with him, dude, he's a good dude. Dude, he's just going to do what it is he want to do on his timings, you know. So I've heard nothing but positive, you know, experiences that guys have had with him. You go and like you said, the new receiver Michael Pittman Jr. Said that he had a couple of great throws and I was like, wow, I'm really playing with Aaron. It's great. I get to play with another hall of Famer. He's alluding to him having the opportunity over there to play with Philip Rivers with the coats. So I think a lot of people don't understand, like, with Aaron coming back is the factors that come with that, people like him that realize, like, along with Aaron Rodgers, they're like, oh, man, it's a, it's, it's respect, it's admiration, it's players that are like, you know what, it's an automatic buy in to him. The system, it boosts, you know, it boosts the, the morale, the confidence of the players, you know, and when you had that, bro, that helps your team out. So with Aaron being back, you hearing him like, yo, like, he can, he can, he can get that ball to where I, you know, to where I need that ball to get to, right? It's, it's no, it's no issues and I know I can go get it. Yeah, I already got the skill now. I got somebody that could get it to me whenever I want to stop playing. Pittman also said Pittman says Pittman Jr. Sees versatile receivers thriving in Mike McCarthy, Mike McCarthy stillers offense. Pittman said after practice about getting in, about getting in work early, getting, getting early, working with Rogers. He said, we've. You've just got to get to know certain quarterbacks, like what they don't, like what they're thinking of what they're thinking. And all the time and all that is going to take time. So we're just going to, we're just getting to know him better and listening to the things he says to us. We're going to get as many reps as possible. Yeah, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. This all I'm saying. I'm rocking because I just think it's buy in. Like you said, everybody wants. When you got, you know, where Aaron Rodgers is, you know what he's going to be. I think him showing up to OTAS is just a good thing for everybody, for the camaraderie, for the team, for getting the reps in with the wide receivers. We. I know it's not going to take a Rod too long to understand the playbook, but it's not about him. It's about when you get that team and you starting to get that team building. That's all where it starts. It starts in OTAs, you know what I'm saying? If he were to come in training camp, I know he's going to be able to jump on that train because he's a Rod. He's going to know the playbook and all this stuff. But the more and more time, the more and more Reps. What Michael Pittman is saying, how he likes things to be ran, it's just timing, it's trust. And you can build that the more that you're in the building. These are optional OTAs, so they're just learning things. But if A Rod is going to be the quarterback like he is, he signed now, I would love for him to be here now, then later, because all of this is nothing but reps, nothing but timing, nothing but building, nothing but camaraderie. So this is what you need to be developing that football team. Like you said, you don't really know dudes when, like instant liso. It's. It's routes, it's concepts, it's. Where does he like to be, how does he like the ball, the quarterback. Now, when you have a. A Rod on your team and this is the thing, he has to be what he. He doesn't need to. He's going to make those miraculous throws. He's going to do all of that. But at the same time, everybody else on the team, when we've been doing a great job of just getting great players, getting more players that are going to be able to be getting grown men, Getting Michael Pittman Jr. Getting Rico Dottle, getting, you know what I'm saying, Having DK Metcalf coming back after last year, maybe not his best, but he believes he's still the number one. He thinks he could do it. So it's just having him in there with the team growing, building, I think it's just amazing for the squad. So, yeah, I'm all in for it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Well, speaking of dk, Pittman said, he said DK has been great. So I think me and him are going to do well. Obviously you are going to have teams to double him, then that's going to leave me free. And if they're going to double and if the teams are going to double me, then it's going to leave him free. It's going to be great. And when you. And when you've got Bernard and Wilson too, so we're not shorthanded on pass catchers. Listen, Jeremy, Jeremy Bernard, yo, he can be the equalizer. Like, if he is able to go out there and play to the capabilities that we feel like he's able to play, when they go and double these guys, even if they do a double the stars and they double both of them, he's going to be the equalizer. All you got to do is look at what Steve, Steve Smith said about him at the draft and how he felt like this was his favorite fit, like his favorite receiver in the fit of how the draft came through and what you needed as far as the position. And he said Jeremy Bernard, he basically, he brings like everything that we needed. We need to have that slot. Like we gotta have a person that's. That's polished. And when he says polished, he means like somebody that's a good route runner and you have an understanding of how to uncover. It's not like he's a crazy explosive fast, but he uses leverage and spacing to make sure he can. He can create space that he can get open so that they can get the ball to him. Along with that, he's a yak monster. Okay. He is going to get yards after the catch because he is a big body guy that can still move like one of the slot receivers with the quick movement of a smaller slot. But he's a big dude, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I think with Aaron Rodgers too, like you need. Pat Firemove is going to ball with Aaron Rodgers.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He's.

[Joe Hayden]

Because he knows that's those, those middle, those tight ends, those areas when they trying to double on the outside. I like we have. If we have this like you're saying the three receiver in the slot, we're not. I'm not, I'm understanding where he likes to work the middle of the field. We need those possession receivers and when we have our tight ends where Mount Washington fire, move and new receiver that we just got from Bama Bernard.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's Jeremy. That's Jeremy Bernard. Yep, that's Bernard.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. So all three of those dudes work in the middle. And now we got on the outside, DK and Pittman. I'm not seeing where you're going to be able to double team because if you do, there's too many options where a rock can be able to get the ball out. And then with the run game, we're going to have to. We don't have to all start out coming out wide. This is all established by the run. We got to still be able to hold the line, be able to make sure that these are short, short third downs, short second downs. We're not coming out second and nine, second and 10 every time where we're very predictable. So with all of that being said, it's still offensive line, running backs, receivers, everybody working together in one. It's going to be. It's going to be a team, it's going to be team victories. You know what I'm saying? Everybody got to work together.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. And like I said, Aaron, like you said, rather with Aaron being there early. You're building that now where before we didn't have a chance to build that because it was so late that he came in. It wasn't built. And they said that Rodgers could be seen correcting players like second year running back Caleb Johnson right after plays and throwing passes around the field to several targets like Metcalf Pittman, Bernard Roman Wilson, Pat Fryer moved and Darnell Washington now. Right now. See, so, like, this is what they're saying, though. It's a great thing. You know, Aaron is back. He's correcting players. You know, it's this, that, and the third. You know, the reports are, oh, he's correcting players. And so everyone, you know, can get on the same page and this what we need to do. And it's great. And I want everybody to listen to this correction because later in the season, if things aren't going well, it's a couple bad plays and. And he's correcting somebody, which I'll say is. He's just yelling at guys. He's doing this, he's doing that. No, no, no, no. He's not. He's not. He's not yelling, he's correcting guys. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So you're trying to get on all

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

you reporters that's talking right now. I want y' all to keep whatever energy it is you got right now, starting with right now, keep that same energy in the finish. Okay? So if you hating right now, keep hating. Hate all the way through. Don't switch up. Don't switch up. Like, don't do that. When they kill your narrative.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Don't do that. That's all I'm asking.

[Joe Hayden]

The thing, the thing I'm. I'm liking too, is we're gonna. It's going to be about ball. So when we're out there and our offense is out there playing, if Aaron Rodgers isn't, isn't putting in the ball where it needs to be, if he's not throwing the passes that need to be thrown, we're going to keep everybody accountable for what they're doing. If DK is wide open, you dropping passes, we're going to call out a spade, a spade. If you're catching passes, if you're doing what you got to do. That's what I love about football, Deebo. It's X's and O's. We're not just going to be calling people out for no reason. We're going to be watching, looking, seeing what's going on. And that's how I think too. When our defense knows about what they need to improve on, they know when we're saying things, we're not picking on people. We don't want to be up here talking bad about you guys. But if we're looking and we're seeing people running free and things are running open, you guys know that that's a. What is that? Communication. Something's going on because that should not be happening out there. So I think them acknowledging what's going on too. They know what they gotta do. So the games have to be played. The players that we got, Sean Dean, we re signed Asante Samuel Jr. Joey Porter Jr. You know what I'm saying? Jalen, we got the safety from Chicago secondary looking sweet now. Right now they're working on getting communication together. So if everybody body on the body, man on the man. If he makes a play on you, that's somebody making a play on you. All right, we need to like get the ball out, line up next play. People running scot free. There's no excuse, you know what I'm saying? So the no excuse plays, eliminate those and then we'll talk about. We can work on the ones where, man, you were right there in position. They're getting paid the big bucks too. That was a good pass, you know what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Totally understand that. I mean, like you said. But we got to be able to run the ball effectively. And with that being said, like, you know Roderick Jones, he was at OTAs. But distillers remain uncertain. So Amazon Health AI presents painful thoughts I. I can't stop scratching my downtown. Mm, yeah, but I'm not itching to

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Oh. Jones was in uniform for the first practice of LTA's this season, just months after undergoing the surgery to repair his neck prematurely from the 2025 season. Wow. He was in formation for with the rest of the Steelers during the warm ups and at the start of Practice. He did not participate in the team portion of practice and was open that

[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That was open to the media. Anyway. This right here is. I mean, I don't think this is something that's surprising us. It's just, you know, it's part of what we thought was going to happen. When you look at it, they ended up moving Troy. What's his name? Fontuna? Yeah, they ended up moving him to the left tackle. From the right tackle. So that was just. Yeah, just yesterday at the, you know, first OTA practice while he, you know, Troy said that the move wasn't necessarily permanent. You know, he said being. How did he say it? He said, being ready for whatever happens. Obviously, when Brad. He's talking about Broderick and the whole situation. I don't know what's going to happen, but like I said, if they asked me to play left, I'm going to play left. I think what we saw on Monday, anybody that actually paid any attention to, you know, what was going on at the OTAs, with basically the whole, you know, right side moving to the left. You had McCormick, he. He went from the. The guard on the the right to the left. You had Troy, he went from the. The right to the left. And right now that's. That's gonna be our best position for the guys that we currently have on our roster. You look at it, it was Anderson, he's now, I believe, at the right guard, and that's going to be the best position for him considering his abilities. And the guys that we have there that we feel like can flip and still be more effective over there than the, you know, the opposite player could be on the right side. Look at it. Anderson is a dude that, you know, he's better when he's in a phone booth, you know, you know, confined space. So you put him at the guard, it's a lot easier to change from the guard. And then you go ahead and you put Cook, you put him at the right tackle. Six, six, six, seven, something like that. So he got the reach. You know, he can. He, you know, he can move. But the issue with him is sometimes his anchor could be light. So, you know, that's, that's. That's not good. And issues with, you know, consistency. But that's why I would rather put him, as far as what I have right now, right tackle, because it at least gives my quarterback an opportunity to see right, to see what's coming.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? So if he can see what's coming now, he can potentially get out of the way of what's going on. And until we find out what, you know, our first rounder is going to, you know, look like through the OTAS minicam and basically training camp and we get the pads on and, you know, when it really counts and see, you know, how he's going to do and with what is it. You got tj, you got, you got Highsmith, you got Herbic, we using them, and that's his practice. So you're going to get a real good assessment of what it is that he can do and can't do. So that's, you know, the Project Jones situation is. Is something that I'm hoping he does the right thing. As far as his health, to be honest with you, I mean, you didn't get your option, but when it comes down to it, man, it's a. It's about your health and the longevity of your career. And unless you're healthy and able to, you know, do what's necessary, it's going to be hard to get it, to get another spot. So to get another, you know, position. And you're going to have to at least prove that you're 100% healthy to be able to do it. And if that's not this year or that's late, late in the year or whatever that may be and you are fully, you know, ir, then you have to come back the next year and probably do a prove it deal.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, facts. Like you said, health is the main thing with him. I was kind of. He's trying to. Going through the process, you know what I'm saying? Trying to be out there as much as you can, but the schedule is the schedule. When you can get out there and start hitting, we won't know until it happens. So I hope he gets clear. I know he's doing all the proper steps, all the proper protocol, but with the line, what you think about the rook, Max? You think he gonna be, you think if he proves himself, obviously the sooner the better.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's the rookie I'm talking about. That's in. In Honcho.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Yes. Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Max. In Honcho. Yeah. That's the first rounder.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's who I'm talking about. Like in. In Honcho and in Hana Shore. In Hana Shore. Yeah. E Hanasure. E Hanasure. That's it. E Hanasure. Maxi. Hanasure. That's the one I'm talking about. That's our first round pick. I was talking about, like, until we see what it is that he can do. And I don't think we'll see that. I think they got him running with the threes right now.

[Joe Hayden]

God, to be more careful.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, it's just, you know, you know,

[Joe Hayden]

the development of it. Development.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We knew going into that. I mean, so with what, you know, what we have in place until we actually get to see him in, you know, full pass going against right now

[Joe Hayden]

going into the season. Debo, who's our left.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I think our left tackle right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Our left tackle right now.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Troy.

[Joe Hayden]

Troy. Okay. Right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What's his name? Oh, my. Good. Cook.

[Joe Hayden]

Cook. Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. That's our right and left tackle. Our guards, inside center. Where he at? That's it. What you saying is like, that's why you do it now, so they can get used to it, you know? And I mean, with all just how everything's lined up, this is what it's looking like. It's not looking like we're going to have Broderick back.

[Joe Hayden]

No, definitely not.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So especially with no timeline given and all that, like, you can't sit there and wait and hope. You got to play as if we won't have him. And this is what I'm looking at. And like I said, until we can. Until we see what Max E. Hanasure can do through the process of OTAs, and it won't be until after training camp. I believe if he goes out there and he does his thing and he balls and he does good in the preseason games, that he could step up and potentially get one of those tackle positions for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Because right now, like you said, Deebo, it's all underwear Olympics. You gotta learn the playbook. Do all that stuff. You start putting them pads on training camp, then one on ones. That's when you really blocking them dudes. That interior stuff, when you really putting the pads on, really putting the body on the body, like making plays really happen. So I feel you no need to start them nowhere near the second or second or first team, getting them in the third. Learn the playbook. Cause we got time. Otas, we got time. Don't make no mas. The least amount of mas, the quicker you gonna be able to slide up. You can't. You running the same plays. So if you running the same plays, good doing your assignment. Boop. Second team. Okay, now you put some pads on. You blocking good versus first of all, who you going against now you going level up.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. Alex High Smith, man. He pinpoints two things that the Steelers that can help the Steelers take a leap. And the top things the Top thing, really they're talking about is communication in detail. Like, so he's saying that you see times when you aren't as. When you aren't a good defense. Last year is when we're communicating, when we aren't communicating the way we should. So, like, it goes back to what we were saying last year, man, that like. Like, we talked about it, like, every time that we were in there. Anytime we talk at the game, like, dude, like, you have to communicate, like, and the communication starts with the coaches. You have to be coached as a defense to play the unit as one. Everybody on that defense, no matter what your position is, you have to know what you're doing and you have to be on the same page. So that's starting with alignment, your assignment, and then the technique that you're going to use to get the job done. We know that technique wasn't being teached properly because too many guys were doing the wrong thing all the time. Like, we know that and we sat in the box and heard some technique stuff that was being taught from someone, but we won't say. And we know that things were not being taught in the proper manner. Now you add that along with every position not getting the same information for the same defense, being told something a little different on a defense where it should be exactly the same. Like, we're not. We're not getting. Like you said, the communication is not there. So if you have the communication, you have the technique, you have the alignment, you have the assignment, you take the guesswork out of it. So once the play starts, each person knows what's going on, and then you do your job. And in the course of doing your job, if you have no threat in your area or what your job is. Now, through the process of knowing the defense, you're able to be like, you know what, I can move this way or that way to help my teammate, to better help him be able to cover the area that he has. And in doing so, you make the defense better, you help him make his job easier, and you don't sit there and cover dead space where nothing is at.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, the communication and talking is not fake talking. There's not just chatter. You're not just talking out there to be talking. When we're saying you're speaking the same language, we're always. When you know your defense, you're anticipating what's going to happen. You're altering. If this person moves, if there's a person that looks like they can go in motion, if this person moves, this is what we're going to not soon as this person moves. Now everybody's looking around frantic, worrying about what's going on. It has to be a flow of everybody knows what's going on. There's a comfortability. I'm looking at Minka, Minka's looking at me. If he moves, we're going to this. Linebackers know. If they go to this, we're moving zone it. You're alerting checks to the people that are supposed to know what's going on. So the words that are flying out is like music to everybody's ears because you're just alerting what's going to happen. Everybody's prepared for things, and everybody is ready and aligned and assigned. And so when you say alignment assignment technique, it sounds so basic, like basic football. But when Everybody knows they're 1/11 and everybody is flowing at the same accord, everybody knows. When we talk about when. When Big Hamp came on and I was so sorry to miss it, but like he did his 1/11, he knew that his job sometimes was not for him to make the play. So stats don't speak on it. Everybody trying to go make a tackle, that's not your play. That's how your defense gets messed up. One single player being selfish on a play could bust the whole defense up and have a hole on a run that's 12 yards and make everybody look crazy. There's one person that's being selfish. That's not your play. You hold that gap. You trying to go backside, you know what I'm saying? So the communication, the alignment, the assignment, the technique, the discipline, when you got to know that, you have to understand that you can't first do your job. You have one job to do out there, and that's hold this gap. If they come in that gap, the play should not be made. The next person, he has one job, he's on the outside, leverage, the ball's not coming out there. If it comes his way, I'm going to make this play. So just having everybody understanding what they're doing, understanding that this person motions now, I'm working with this man. We're doing in and out, we're doing in and out. We got a check going on, not people just looking around crazy. That's why when you say it took a while for young players to get in to Dick LeBeau's defense, because you not talking the same language as the vets that are out there, know exactly where they're supposed to be. Get them out of here. Get him out of here. Because you're not. You're going to make me look bad. You're going to make him look bad. It's 10 dudes out here flowing and one dude looking around doesn't know the chat is an alert for the motion. He just knows. Okay, we got fire zone. Okay, I'm looking around. He's panicking just about his assignment. No, you got to know what your man's doing because we're working together. We're working together now. Oh, no, no. I want to lock. No, you can't lock. You can't go, man. You have to work this together because the this works in the defense. Now we blocking you. Now we don't.

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That's it, man. I want to go over here to Cleveland, though, man.

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Hey, what we got going on rounds?

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Deshaun Watson versus Shador Sanders. Time timeline gets clearer. OTA started on Tuesday and we come in and we'll come in on three day chunks over the next three weeks. The final OTA is four days and that's where the battle will be won. They said the Browns first mandatory minicamp is scheduled for June 9th through 11th and we can expect Monkin to have his pick by then, at least. His training camp pick. He's saying this is. What's his name, ESPN's, I believe, Tony Grossi said. He said. I think it is still a little bit early. I think by time we get into minicamp in June, we'll have a good idea of who's 1, 2, 3 and 4 are or at least heading into training camp. I wouldn't expect that on Tuesday or Wednesday, but it's coming. It's. It's coming. They've been out there working and he said he wants to have an idea of who his number one is by training camp, and I'm sure he will abide by that. End of comment. That is what Tony Grossi said. Also, it looks like your boy Jeremy.

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Yeah, Fowler.

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Fowler reports Deshaun Watson has hit it off with Todd Monkin ahead of the Browns ota. Perhaps more notable is Fowler's report that Monkin's office of concept are things Watson has run in the past and has, has, has Been his best at. So your boy over there, Fowler, he said, I'm told, quote, I'm told he hit it off with Todd Monkin, who's got an offensive concept, some elements that Watson has run in the past and been at his best at, end quote. Joe, it's looking like Watson may already be slated in Monkin's mind as the starter. And then you add that along with old Albert, Brie Beer, what's his name? Yeah, yeah, Brer. You had that with him where he said, quote, I think Shador Sanders will be better off. Let me get this right. If his father, Dion, he said, Dion leaves well enough alone and allow his son to set up his own path with a new coaching staff. He's saying that on the things, end quote. He's. He's saying that in comparison, in response to Dion saying, you know, talks. Talk to him, you know, call him, you know, let him explain how his son works, all that other stuff. So what I'm trying to figure out is why everybody know, everybody know who should do it. That is Dion. But you said Dion. He said it like that. Like, you know, these insiders, sometimes they know something, man. Sometimes they don't know something, but they got, you know, they usually have some type of information with front office people and on how to, you know, the people upstairs may feel about certain things or who knows? I don't know. But my thing is this. Usually they have some type of information from upstairs and whether it's on the record, off the record, they use that to build their opinion on what they feel like should be done or shouldn't be done and how people should work or respond. Like, I don't know, like, what do you think this recent report or development is going to mean for your Browns, Joe?

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Everybody's always going to make noise about our quarterback, this situation, okay? Everybody is. I don't want anything bad with Deshaun Watson. I don't. I hope Deshaun Watson comes out, balls out and goes out and wins us games, wins us the. Hopefully he can even go out that ball out and win the Super Bowl. That. That'd be great. That'd be great, desean right now, because I don't ever want to come off like I'm trying to root against him. There's $46 million that he's owed. He's going to get paid this year. He hasn't done anything wrong. He's been rehabbing, staying out of the way, trying to do everything that he can. Todd Monken, new coach comes in, we got Shador, we got. You got Deshaun Watson. He's making $46 million a year. You've seen him be a player that signed for $232 million. He's doing all the right things. He's in the facility. He's staying out of the way in practice. He's listening to coach. He's been in the system before. He's thrived in the system before. So obviously, if you have him on your team and you're the new coach, you want him to be successful during all of this time. They're not saying anything bad about Shador. But if you're the. If you're a Shador fan and you want him to be in and you thinking it's time to move on from Deshaun Watson, then you're in the mindset. Put your man back in. I can understand now where it's you. You don't want to have to knock Deshaun to try to bump Shador. I don't want to have to bump Shador to try to pump the other person. So it's difficult. So when you see coach putting up good things about somebody else, everybody that's a Shador fan is instantly going to think that's hate on Shador. No. When you're listening to it, I want desean Watson to do well. If he's doing well, he's proceeding in the system. Okay, let's go. Let's. Hopefully it does well, but right now, same time, Deebo, this is all in shorts. We don't have any pads on. There hasn't been any preseason games. Last time I saw desean Watson, he was moving a little bit slower. His athletic ability looks a little slower to me. So with. With not. With not pads on, everybody in practice can look a little bit better than when you are in the real game. When them live bullets start flying, that's when real things start happening. So. So I'm not knocking. I'm just saying I want the best, but we gotta see it still. So in all hopes of he looking good right now, he's doing all of the right things, 1000%. Let's go, D'. Sean. Still. Shador is still there doing the same things, too. All I've heard is he's trying to be in the meeting rooms. He's in there early. He's thriving. He hasn't been doing anything wrong. The reps, you can't decide. You got a new coach that has a 46 quarterback making 46 million, and he has you on the rookie deal. He can split the reps, you know what I'm saying? He wants to see what's going on. He came in with that deal, so he might have a leg up in that fashion. The owners, they might want to see what we got with the last one. We still got Shador for the next. For two more years at least under contract. So I don't ever want to. I'm not trying to knock him, but that's kind of the way that I see it. And when people are always trying to. The media that doesn't like Shador to make him even matter or make his family matter, they just start talking up Deshaun Watson. And that doesn't mean that they're talking bad about Shador. But if you really, like. If you really love Shador, you hear people talking like, oh, Deshawn looking so good. They're like, man, but y'.

All.

Why y' all not saying nothing about. I'm like, because they're not talking about him right now. They're talking about desean. They're talking about his process, what he got going on. But since he's been the last starting quarterback, they're like, oh, y' all just stealing my man's spot, giving it to good old desean. You know what I'm saying? Like, he didn't. How did he steal it from him? It's OTAs. Like, y' all don't have no pads on. Y' all aren't even going against defenses. How much better is his arm really looking? They're throwing routes on air. I hear you. Like, is it that you just get your spot rough like that? So I'm like, I never want to come on. And not because I'm like, deshaun, I want you to look good. I know you're studying. You're doing your thing. They didn't even bring up Shador in the conversation there. But the Shador fans that want him to start and want him to play will instantly be like, that's crazy. Hold on. What about Shador? What does he do? I'm like, no, no, no. Don't, don't. Don't feel bad. Like, they're bringing up the other guy. Deshaun Watson, you have two quarterbacks. If we feel like Shador is better, I do think that the long run is going to be him. But I can still see in the same way, in the fashion I do want desean to succeed. I'm not trying to knock another man. So because I want Shador to succeed, I hope all is well for you. If you do end up getting, getting that starting job because you had that 236, let's go ball out. Like don't want you to be bad. But if it does fail, Shador, look, now you got the reigns. Now you got the same team. You got the Concepcion, you got the line, you got the players. So Watson's going to get this best shot with the team, with the offense, with the players around him to perform. And at the same time, Shador is getting that love from Todd Monkin. Todd Monken hasn't spoken down on Shador. He's always said, man, I wanted to draft you back in the day. Whoop. Just praising him about just being in the building, how he's been working. So I'm still open minded. They still haven't put on shoulder pads and helmet, you know what I'm saying? So there's still time to go. Both of them I think are going to get the opportunity obviously to play. It's who's going to play first. I think it's now they're leaning towards the media and maybe what they got coaches are saying right now is Deshaun Watson. But I still know there's time and if desean does get out, I want him to succeed. But that's probably the reason why everybody's looking for him to get out there. Paramount is now the home of all YOUR BET favorites.

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