Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Baker FED UP With Bucs + Tua Injured Already

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Part 2

Episode Date: July 31, 2026
Main Theme:
This episode dives deep into current NFL controversies and player perspectives, focusing on Baker Mayfield’s contract standoff with the Buccaneers, Tua Tagovailoa’s training camp “injury” and the gamesmanship behind NFL negotiations, and the broader business dynamics facing stars like Aaron Donald. Hosts Deebo and Joe exchange stats, insights, and plenty of playful banter while also mixing in sports culture commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Baker Mayfield’s Standoff with the Bucs

[03:09 – 13:39]

• Baker Speaks Out: The episode jumps in with Baker Mayfield’s raw remarks on feeling disrespected and undervalued by the Buccaneers, despite his performance. He emphasizes his loyalty and past contributions but is frustrated by the lack of a deal that reflects his role and production.

  • Quote: “To not have a deal done is very disappointing. But I said the deadline was a deadline...after today, I'm not answering anymore because I'm not negotiating anymore.” – Baker Mayfield [04:14]

• Stats to Back It Up: Debo and Joe point out Mayfield’s statistical case since 2023—second in passing yards and third in touchdowns.

  • “Over that two year span, bro, on top of that, that same two year span, nobody had more passing touchdowns than him. Like he has 60, 69.” – Debo [09:38]

• Market Dynamics & Value: Discussion of the quarterback market: other QBs making $50–55M/year, and the “price gone up” on contracts.

  • “The price don't went up, man.” – Debo [12:09]
  • “Contracts are doing nothing but going up. The NFL, the salary going up.” – Joe [12:17]

• Sympathy vs. Business: Both hosts see both sides: Baker outperformed his deals and wants fair market value, but the team still holds leverage, including franchise tagging him if necessary.

  • “You played what you had to do. You've done your job. So you're expecting a compensation with people you see up the street from you that you had better seasons than.” – Joe [08:50]
  • “If he does ball out, then I understand. Can they do. You said that he wouldn't. He's not going to try to allow them to franchise tag him. But what can he do if they try to franchise tag him? Like sit out?” – Joe [14:13]

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2. Tua’s “Tight Back” Injury — Is It Real or Strategic?

[14:35 – 26:30]

• Tua Sidelined: The conversation shifts to Tua Tagovailoa missing training camp with a “tight back.” Debo suggests the injury might be more about contract leverage and lack of depth at QB behind him than real physical limitations.
  • “You want me to come out here and I know your starter … You got a rookie that you ain't trusting … At that time my back might get tight too.” – Debo [19:26]
• Business Decisions: Both hosts acknowledge that sometimes, players feign or amplify injuries as a negotiating tactic, especially when there’s little depth at their position.
  • “That's all I'm saying is that it might have been an opportunity, a positional thing that may have tightened his backup.” – Debo [19:26]
• Value and Opportunity: Joe argues that even if Tua is only getting $1.2M from Atlanta (with $52M still guaranteed from Miami), any opportunity to start—even temporarily—should be seized as tape for next contract.
  • “If you have opportunity to show that you can be a starting professional quarterback in the NFL, you need to go get it.” – Joe [23:01]
  • “You ain't gonna get a full year tape, though … give me eight games.” – Joe [25:58]
• Risk vs. Reward: Debo contends players are playing the long game—trying to maximize value and not risk their bodies for less than market rate, especially if their starting time is about to be limited.
  • “You don't already pulled the pistol on somebody got you some paper, man … But he got on the night vision goggles.” – Debo [24:03]

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3. Aaron Donald’s Comeback Rumors

[27:50 – 32:11]

• Should Donald Return? Discussion of Miles Garrett lobbying Aaron Donald to return, and the physical/mental challenge of coming back after being away from NFL rigor.
  • “He doesn't have anything to prove, you know … knowing that if you were to just come back how good he was … The greats, they're like, I don't want to come back and be like a … not a shell of myself.” – Joe [29:07]
• Retirement & Legacy: Debo playfully suggests that if Donald returns, it signals unfinished business—he didn’t really accomplish everything he set out for.
  • “If he came back, that wouldn't be true, would it, Joe? That wouldn't be true. If he came back, he didn't accomplish everything he wanted to.” – Debo [30:57]
• The Ego and the “Need” to Compete: A riff about how elite athletes' egos drive decisions and narratives.

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4. Loyalty: The Land vs. LeBron

[32:49 – 42:26]

• Joe’s Loyalty Dilemma: Spirited, comedic exchange about Joe’s fandom—whether it’s to Cleveland or to LeBron James wherever he goes.
  • “There's nobody else that I can even think about rooting for over the land than LeBron James. LeBron James started out at the land …” – Joe [43:06]
  • “That's janky. That's super janky. That's the jankiest thing I'd have never heard of, Joe. That's jankier than your hip.” – Debo [42:26]
• Player vs. Team Fandom: Joe admits he grew up following favorite players rather than teams, while Debo insists on loyalty to home teams.
• Banter on Fan Gifts & Browns’ Prospects: Friendly jokes about fans sending Browns players beach chairs and umbrellas as “early Cancun” gifts implying no playoff hopes, plus ribbing about whether anyone actually wants a Browns jersey for Christmas.
  • “You're not going to be in the playo early trip … You're mathematically eliminated. Here goes a lawn chair.” – Joe / Debo [51:32]

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5. Sports Culture & Miscellaneous Banter

[Throughout]

• Market Inflation: Remarks on NFL salary cap and mega-deals trickling down to wide receivers, DBs, etc.
  • “Contracts are doing nothing but going up. The NFL, the salary going up.” – Joe [12:17]
• Trash Talk and Super Chats: The latter portion of the episode features super chats from listeners, more jokes about team loyalty, Browns' annual struggles, and who “deserves” floor seats at Cavs games.
• Personal Stories: Joe reminisces about being a LeBron fan from a young age before he was a star in Cleveland and continues to prioritize player loyalty over hometown pride, to Debo’s mock outrage.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Baker Mayfield on Respect:
  “I think I'm a franchise quarterback. I've been told I'm a franchise quarterback … So to not have a deal done is very disappointing … but it's all ball here, and I know I'm going to have a good year.”
  — Baker Mayfield [04:14]

• Debo’s Take on Market Value:
  “At first I was like, maybe, you know, he might be tripping. But after looking at this … the price don't went up, man.”
  — Debo [12:09]

• Joe on Opportunity:
  “If you have opportunity to show that you can be a starting professional quarterback in the NFL, you need to go get it.”
  — Joe [23:01]

• Debo on “Tactical” Injuries:
  “At that time, my back might get tight too … you want me to come out here … the only other quarterback you have is a rookie …”
  — Debo [19:26]

• On Player vs. Team Loyalty:
  “That's janky. That's super janky. That's the jankiest thing I'd have never heard of, Joe …”
  — Debo [42:26]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |-----------|----------------------------------------------| | 03:09 | Baker Mayfield’s contract grievances | | 05:52 | Debo & Joe analyze Baker’s stats and value | | 14:35 | Tua’s “tight back” and QB depth gamesmanship | | 19:26 | Debo spins the theory on strategic injuries | | 27:50 | Aaron Donald’s comeback likelihood | | 32:49 | Debo vs. Joe: Loyalty to Cleveland or LeBron | | 44:10 | Fan banter, Browns jokes, and super chats | | 51:01 | The “early Cancun” gag for the Browns |

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Tone & Style

• Casual, Candid, and Playful: The episode is full of jokes, quick-witted banter, and inside references, with both hosts comfortable switching between stats-heavy analysis and lighthearted ribbing.
• Authentic Player Perspective: Both Deebo and Joe draw on personal experience in the league, using real stats and referencing norms around injuries and contracts.
• Listener Engagement: Incorporation of super chats and direct fan interaction adds a community feel.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a rich mix of sports business realities, player psychology, and fan culture—with unique insights into why NFL negotiations are far more than stats and wins. Deebo and Joe blend serious analysis (on salary cap implications, contract negotiations, and injury strategies) with laughs, personal stories, and heavy doses of rivalry trash talk. If you want a front-row seat to how star athletes view the business side of pro sports—and don’t mind a little Browns mockery—this episode’s a must-listen.

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[Debo]

Man, you can feel that. Speaking of quarterbacks, bruh, Baker Mayfield, my man, he said he felt disrespected, undervalued by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because of the offer they gave him. Man, listen to what he said.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Baker Mayfield]

I mean, obviously I've, I've told you guys, I've been pretty upfront and honest about my feelings about Tampa it being home for now. Our family, we're raising kids here. We love it here. I wanted the deal done and set the deadline and told them it was going to be all ball after that. And I did mean that. And I don't know if they thought I was just going to take some of the offers that they gave, but I'm at the point of my career and understanding what I've brought to this franchise. One, I'm very, very thankful for the chance they gave me, do not get me wrong on that. But I also know, I really know what I've brought to this franchise, leadership wise and even play wise. It's been some of the best years of my career and I think it's only going to trend upwards just being comfortable and feeling that. So disappointing in that regard to not have, you know, to feel disrespect a little bit. And that's really the disappointing part, to feel undervalued after, you know, thinking you've earned it. This is not a poor me thing. It's. There's a lot other people that have it way worse off. But I can sit here and look at other quarterbacks and peers and evaluate myself based on that and put myself in certain categories that I deserve to be compensated for that. And I think I'm a franchise quarterback. I've been told I'm a franchise quarterback. It's been said publicly from ownership down here. And so to not have a deal done is very disappointing. But I said the deadline was a deadline and I addressed the team to let them know. I meant that it's all ball. I'm with these guys. I think all the guys that have been here know exactly who I am. The guys that are new here. I wanted to address that because they might have had a notion of, prior to coming here about who I am as a person. But it's, it's all team. It's all about winning here now and what we're going to do. And, you know, hopefully Vita gets his back fixed and gets his. His deal done. I mean, he's the second longest tenured buck behind cg and Vita deserves that. He's the anchor of our defense, and so I hope they take care of him. It's disappointing, to say the least, but it's all ball here, and I know I'm going to have a good year. I know this team, the things that we went through last year put us in a good spot for this year, depth wise. A lot of guys being thrown to the fire to be able to grow and learn fast, and it didn't go the way we wanted, but it's a new season and it's. It's going to help us in the long run this year. Added some new pieces, and so I'm excited about it. It's all ball from here. You know, after today, like, I'll answer a few more questions about the contract, but after today, I'm not answering anymore because I'm not negotiating anymore.

[Debo]

Got to be more careful. Joe, what do you think? Think. What do you think, Bucks man? You. You think. You think he got. He got. He got a. He. He got a position? You think they. They should have did something, Found out a way, did anything? What do you think, Joe?

[Joe]

It's tough. It's tough because Baker can feel some type of way and be able to want to get a contract is to compensate with. Who is it, like, his peers when you see other dudes that are making $50 million that you don't feel like your numbers are better than theirs? We looking at Jordan Love, we got Brock Purdy, and we've got all these dudes making 52, $55 million a year. Baker Mayfield signed a three year, $100 million contract with. With Tampa, and he outperformed these other guys. Since 2023, he's second in passing yards and third in touchdowns. So when you looking at that from him, like, I don't care how y' all perceive me, my numbers say that this is what I shall get compensated.

[Debo]

And.

[Joe]

And when people are looking at Baker like, we can find another quarterback for you, or we can just leave you under this deal, then we could tag you. If you go ahead and outperform that and play, it's just a tough situation to be in because it's like, Baker, you have a point, but at the same time, the team has a point to not have. Well, not a point, but they have A right not to pay you. You signed this first contract, the three years for 33. You were cut from a couple of teams. You first, you got a one year, $4 million from Tampa. Then you outperform that and they gave you a three year, $100 million contract. So I feel where you want to go get that bag, too. And I'm looking, I'm with you, Baker, but then at the same time, you looking at them like, do I want to give Baker a three year? Because he wants to get. It was. I heard one of the things guaranteed. They said it was. They gave him up to two years. Like a two year, $102 million contract. But he.

[Debo]

Yeah, he said that was not true.

[Joe]

He said, okay. He says, not true. I said, because what's the guaranteed? I think it's all about the guarantee. Because if. The guarantee, if you guys, if they open with two year, $101 million, 51 guarantee, they offered him a one year, 51 million dollar contract. Do you know what?

[Debo]

I would have took that all day for sure.

[Joe]

So I'm saying with Baker, if his number was around the 50 and they were not looking at something where that. I don't know where that stands, but for him, no, look, I'm not going to talk about the contracts after this. I know I'm going to want to go try to get my bag. That's how. Like, it looks different now, because when you're a wide receiver, they could just tag George Pickens and they don't make it. It's like he got hit with the tag. When it's a quarterback, if he wants to go try to outplay this deal, he's making $27 million this year. He's going to feel like, oh, I'm going to outplay this deal, then they have the right to tag you. Do you know what I'm saying? Or try to let you go. So I understand what Baker's saying, but they don't have to pay. So this is where it looks like. I hear you. You played what you had to do. You've done your job. So you're expecting a compensation with people you see up the street from you that you had better seasons than.

[Debo]

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. At first I was like, maybe, you know, he might be tripping. But after looking at this, bro, and I'm taking his. I'm taking last year out of it. The reason I'm taking last year out of it was because he was hurt. And when you take last year out of it you look at his 23, 24 numbers when he was healthy and he wasn't hurt, dude, over that two year span, bro, it wasn't a quarterback that passed for more yards than him other than it was Dak and golf, he had 8,044 and the highest one was 8,100. Over those, over that two year span, bro, on top of that, that same two year span, nobody had more passing touchdowns than him. Like he has 60, 69. And the next person was one below him, it was 68. Josh Allen Completion 66.8 again, the highest was 68 again, Dak Goff and I think it was Burrow. Now you know, you go from that and you look at these guys and you talking about top at 63 million to the bottom person is 52. And y', all, as he said, y' all can't even come close to the 50 number. And again they're probably thinking, oh, we did a three year, 100 million 33, we go run it back. No, y' all ain't gonna run it back. The price don't went up, man. It ain't got nothing to do with nothing else. And yes, he will leave there and go somewhere else and easily get close to 50 based on the guys that's making that money now and the numbers that they're putting up. As long as he said, he does what he said he's gonna do going this year and ball out, he's going to get all that. They can try and tag him if they want to. He already told him like, yo, that's not happening, boss. You go tag me for no reason. He's done negotiating. It's no more negotiating to be had. So if that's the case, you ain't go talking no negotiation. Then he's like, that's it. And I see dude, at first, I'm looking and I'm like, yo, he, he might be asking a little much getting 50, but I'm looking now and I'm like, and you can't, as he said, come close. You can't get the 46, 47. And the lowest guy on the list is 50, 51, come on. And he, he done, he done outperformed and went healthy.

[Joe]

That's the part. So he got every right to feel that way. But that's why one down year and he was hurt.

[Debo]

It wasn't like, I just had a down year. I'm playing through injury, I'm playing through everything. Like, I want to see everybody get paid, no question. Like, but at the time I'm looking and I'm like, ah, he's taking 50. Come on now. So I'm like, yo, let me see. Hell, he doing better than every cat on there. Except for, you know, two cats.

[Joe]

That's what. That's that market. I'm telling the course, right?

[Debo]

The price don't went up, man.

[Joe]

The price don't went up.

[Debo]

Same thing. Hey, still is the price that went up.

[Joe]

That's making 31 with the new. And then Chris Olave, my man Chris Olave. Love him to death. Baller, my man that signed for $33 million a year at wide receiver. The price tag at the receiver has women up. George Pickens like Dallas, you could have signed him a little earlier. Now you got, you gotta pay. Pay is a baller. But you can't tell me George Picker is not better than Crystal Lobby and Miami. Like so he gonna have to go get that. So it's like sometimes it's just when you looking at players, they're gonna. Contracts are doing nothing but going up. The NFL, the salary going up. So looking at somebody's dollar amount that they're making and saying it's hard to fit the market. How is the in between of a dude making $0 to 65 million? That is a wave of money for quarterbacks. So if you're going to be the elite of elites, make a 65. And then when you got Daniel was in then Daniel Jones making 44 and then you got like the Dax in fifth at 55 and Jalen Hurts at 51. So it's like where, where, where is the media area? So do you sound as 47?

[Debo]

But, but that's what I'm saying. You can't, you can't put him in a medium air when his numbers don't say. You could put him in a medium.

[Joe]

He's doing a 55. That's why when he says he doesn't sound ridiculous.

[Debo]

I think, I think they might regret that one, buddy. Yeah, like.

[Joe]

But they gonna get it. He's.

[Debo]

Oh, he gonna get it for sure.

[Joe]

He's gonna ball. He's this thing is too like he's having to still they're going to get the best performance out of him. So it's either going to be. They're paying him this year without the contract if he doesn't ball out. You see why we didn't get you a deal. If he does ball out, then I understand. Can they do. You said that he wouldn't. He's not going to try to allow them to franchise tag him. But what can he do if they try to franchise tag him? Like sit out?

[Debo]

No, he already let him know like I'm not like dude, he. Everybody know you could franchise tag him if you want to if it's not gonna happen. If he goes and can you tag him? Like he gotta sign it. He might be free. Free. So yeah, I don't know bro. But I know what the Atlanta Falcons your boy Kevin Stefancy over there. Tua. I guess he. He working through a little, little injury over there. He said a tight back is keeping to a sideline during this stretch of training camp from per espn. That's what they said. He said he will be out there sooner rather than later. Stefanski said. Joe, what do you think happened? You know me, I got.

[Joe]

I got, I got theory literally with this one I have no idea.

[Debo]

Hey, hey, hey Joe, you. You want to hear mine?

[Joe]

Please tell me.

[Debo]

Okay. You know me, I'm always thinking Joe. And when I go to thinking Joe, I gotta start looking like. Like what happened that made my man's back tight like, you know, and that back tightening up, you know, that's hard thing to explain, you know, hard thing to see. Your favorite artists in your library, your

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[Debo]

Everything can look perfectly fine, but your back could be, you know, in excruciating pain. So you know, I'm just looking at what I Saw transpire. I seen some people get released around 28th, 29th, something like that. One of them was a quarterback. And then on top of that you got Phoenix. He's not cleared yet because his ACL to play. And when you start looking at it again, the only other quarterback you have at that time, before the back got tight, was a rookie quarterback. It was a rookie quarterback from Montana something or. Or what is it Minnesota, Minnesota State. More. Morehead. Okay. Jack Strand, rookie now. That's all you got there. At that time my back might get tight too. You talking about you want me to come out here? I know pinnocks ain't ready. I already got 52, 53 coming from Miami and you want me to come out here for 1.2 and be the starter and the only person you got back here is a rookie. I don't know. I think my back might have got tight too, baby. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying. I'm just saying. That's all I'm saying is that it might have been an opportunity, a positional thing that may have tightened his backup. But that's why they went and got your boy, what's his name? Rush. That Rush wouldn't make my back untighten up too much.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

If.

[Joe]

If I'm tour back still tight? No, no, Debo, I would be trying to. Wouldn't you be thinking now that you can get the starting job and be able to go out there and go get a bag.

[Debo]

As soon as Pennies comes back and he's healthy, that starting job is gone. He got to get the bag while he got the bag opportunity, man. He got 52 coming from the other people. They only getting him 1.2 right here, man. You want me to come out here and I know your starter. Starter that you want. You got a rookie that you ain't trusting and you don't sign. Cooper Rush who. What was it in Baltimore? That man had like four picks in his last two games. Four picks and was playing for the 100 yards or something. It was something crazy.

[Joe]

Was playing for the other team when he was playing against our team. He was our team. That's what I'm trying to tell you. So what I'm trying to tell you.

[Debo]

That's what you. My back will still be tight. That's what you went and got untighten my back and you telling me what he say? He will be out there sooner rather than later.

[Joe]

No, he won't ask. Needs to get out there immediately. If. If I'm Tour. I'm trying to get my. This is the.

[Debo]

Joe, I'm saying what I'm thinking. I'm not saying if it's me and you. Yeah, I'm trying to go get that starting position. I'm starting to do that. I'm just saying when I told you, I think. I'm thinking, you know me, cuz you need me right now. I'm gonna have to get some. You gotta put something extra on my books. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying. Joe, come on. Joe, listen, man, you know, listen. How many more opportunities you think the man go get?

[Joe]

Let me tell you this. If you making the 53 from. From them, don't. This is what I'm saying. It doesn't matter where it's coming from. If you can still have an opportunity to start for this professional football team.

[Debo]

If I can start for a professional football team right now, that got to be at least worth 20.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. Listen, you. You're.

[Tony Ayo]

You're.

[Joe]

Debo, you was wrong because don't think about that. You got to show how much. How that you can still Play.

[Debo]

I got 52 coming. You want me to put my life for 1.2?

[Super Troopers 3 Announcer]

No.

[Joe]

How much longer, like you said, is he going to be able to play? So that 53 is coming regardless. And that 1.4 is coming regardless. So if you have opportunity to show that you can be a starting professional quarterback in the NFL, you. You need to go get it. Cause right now, listen, at 1.4, that 53 is from what you used to do. So now, right now you make a 1.4 for what you're doing today. So show that you're worth.

[Debo]

Who go give him some more? Who go give him some more, Joe.

[Joe]

Not to go play. Well, to go get some more.

[Debo]

You the gm.

[Tab Ramos]

Other than that.

[Joe]

So you saying Debo, you just saying he need to not show face no more.

[Debo]

Just saying, man, you don't already put. You don't already. You know, you don't already pulled the pistol on somebody got you some paper, man. Listen, right now he got an opportunity right now where everybody in there and. And everybody is dark. But he got on the night vision goggles.

[Joe]

You see it?

[Debo]

So hey, why not go in there and tap on. Hey, listen, I don't want a lot, but my back tight. I think. I think another 15 might loosen it up.

[Joe]

I'm trying to tell you this. I'm trying to tell you if you're a baller. Do you not. Does he not like he he should feel like he's already stole. You already not I stole, but you. You came to league and you got that.

[Debo]

That, bro, you just signed a minimum deal. He ain't feeling like nothing.

[Joe]

The 50 you like you said, you're still making this year playing 50 million plus the 1. So you're still making 51.4. I don't care who it comes from, but like, when it's coming from the locker room with. From the Atlanta Falcons. So I'm just in there trying to hoop out, ball out, because I want to show that I can continue to get these like you said, or else this is it.

[Debo]

Joe. Joe, you are the corner that just came over. They just gave you one point for it. You got guaranteed money over here. But the corner that they got there is their franchise corner. He's going to. When he come back, he's getting in that position. He's not cleared yet, but he will be cleared by the end of this. By the by. Sometime during this season, they're giving you that minimum and they're paying corners that start 20, 20, 20 million. You going in there and you plan that out until they go ahead and just get a job up back to him.

[Joe]

I'm going out there and I'm going to ball out because it's going to show the other team that they let me go. Then they gonna see my tape.

[Debo]

You ain't gonna get a full year tape, though.

[Joe]

I mean, give me eight games. Look what he was doing out there. I'm going versus the ones, and I'm strapping. So that starter right there is the same starter that's playing versus you. I don't got to play against him two, three times a year. 16 games. You got eight real live game reps of me, 60 plays, 70 plays. Not getting bombed up.

[Debo]

Okay, but what about the whole season of trash before that? In the half season before that?

[Joe]

You as best as your last.

[Debo]

Nah, man, listen, that's what we talking about.

[Joe]

Deshaun Watson, you said, I want to go out there, ball out. Then what they gonna have to do, pay him again? I'm like, oh.

[Debo]

I said that's what y' all would do, you know?

[Joe]

See, that's what I'm saying, though.

[Debo]

That's what y' all would do.

[Joe]

The mindset should be if you're like, go out there.

[Debo]

And if you go out there, Joe, listen, he ain't gonna get the bag back. For me personally, if the sound Watson was to go out there and.

[Bobby Bones]

Ball.

[Podcast Host]

Ball.

[Debo]

First team, 5060 Tuggies. I am not touching nothing close to what he got before. But that's just me because I already know you got a history. So you saying two is history, but eight games will make up for that?

[Joe]

No, I'm just saying.

[Debo]

That's why I'm thinking like I was thinking, like I said, you know, but, you know, that's just me, you know, Like I said, I think outside the box when they try and keep you in the box, you know, you told

[Joe]

me you want him to stay out with strained backs. Oh, y' all need me now. So I. Hey, Tebow, I could. I was trying to get. I'm like, dang, you don't want the man. Him like, he got the job. You like this? Nope. Starting quarterback's getting paid more than that.

[Debo]

Hey, you need me now. You gave me.

[Super Troopers 3 Announcer]

Hey, you.

[Debo]

You brought me in here because you thought I had the potential. Now you need me. Show me my back, top.

[Joe]

Show me a spot. Tell me a spiral.

[Debo]

I'm just saying, Joe. I'm just saying. Your boy Miles Garrett over here in la, he said he won't push Aaron Donald's difficult comeback decision with the Rams. He said, if he's here, I'm going to be excited to be his teammate, his partner in crime. I think we're going to do great things. But it's a difficult thing coming back, Joe. I know it's a difficult thing coming back, Joe. I came back once and, yeah, that was only a few months, you know, and that time off was. It was hard getting back into it, man. Body. Body hurts. It goes through some changes when you. You soften it up, you don't continue to give it that. You know, that. That same impact and forces, and you don't train as if you're ready to go, you know, get ready for a season. So. But with that being said, you think. You think Aaron gonna come back? Do you think Aaron Donald, go, come back?

[Joe]

I don't. I don't.

[Debo]

Why is that, Joseph?

[Joe]

The things where you said, I think Aaron Donald, like you said, he doesn't have anything to prove, you know, and then him stepping away from the game and being out for two years, it is a lot on your body. I think he. If there was somebody that'd be ready to come back and be able to do it. I don't know what his offseason training looks like since he's retired, but I think he might be able to be one of the people. But when he retired, it just seems like knowing what he put into the game, knowing that he was so many first team, all pros, knowing that if you were to just come back how good he was. I know the greats, they're like, I don't want to come back and be like a. Not a shell of myself, but just not Aaron Donald. You know what I'm saying? So he could still be a really good player, but it's not. He knows what Aaron Donald could do. He knows how he feels when he's able to just throw people up out of there. So I think being able to be off the field for two years, mentally, physically, having to get back into that grind. Cause I was kind of numb when I was in the league. Like, we know when you're doing it for so long, back to back, you don't realize how much you're actually working out, how much consistency you have. Every morning you're waking up, you're doing stuff, thinking about football. Everything. Your schedule, your family schedule is rotating around. You have a schedule that you do every year. Like, the off season is the same off season, the same time. We report back the same stuff as this. Then the games. Then Mondays. On Mondays, Tuesdays or Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Wednesdays. You have that level of consistency that you do it for so long, did

[Super Troopers 3 Announcer]

it for 12 years.

[Joe]

And then when you get out of it, it's like, dang. And then you don't take care of your body. You don't really realize, like, I was putting my whole. My life, my family's life, everything around making sure I was the best that I could be. And then when you take that off and just really just sit and then trying to get back into that rotation, it could be something that I didn't realize how much work we were really putting in.

[Debo]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not concerned about him coming back. Man said he accomplished everything he needed to. If he came back, that wouldn't be true, would it, Joe? That wouldn't be true. If he came back, he didn't accomplish everything he wanted to. That meant that he left something unfinished. But he said he accomplished everything he wanted to. Hey, listen, I gotta talk. I gotta talk to the ego. I gotta talk to the ego.

[Joe]

You be saying that you funny.

[Debo]

I gotta talk to the ego. I ain't calling him a lot. I just got to talk to his ego. Now, hold on now. If you come back and you don't win that championship, you telling me the accomplishment that you came back for was to play one more year and not win the championship, that you accomplished everything before that, but now you come back, that means you didn't accomplish everything, but your goal was to come back and play one more year and not win it. I'm just saying, Joe.

[Joe]

I hear you, Debo. Ad.

[Debo]

Hey, I'm just. Hey, listen, I gotta talk to his ego, man. I got to. I got to listen. I got to.

[Joe]

That's the only way.

[Debo]

That's the only way it's gonna work. Hey, don't. Don't come back and not win it now. Ain't gonna be a good look.

[Joe]

They gonna have a chance, though, Debo.

[Debo]

Everybody got a chance. It's 32 team. Everybody got a chance, Joe.

[Joe]

And the Browns got a chance.

[Debo]

It's 31 teams, Joe. Everybody got a chance. It's 32 teams, but 31 got a chance, Joe. Okay? You know. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know why you keep trying to put the Browns in there when I'm talking to somebody else. They actually got a legitimate chance. You see what I'm saying? It's like, crazy. You all Browns, you all Browns, but when it comes time for you to put.

[Podcast Host]

Put.

[Debo]

Put your foot down. Oh, it ain't. It's Braun over. Everybody home.

[Joe]

It's Braun over. Is Braun over everything. That's because I. I can't.

[Debo]

Wow.

[Joe]

I was. I was. I started when I was 16 years old. When I was 16. Maybe 15 years old. Probably 15 years old and no younger than that. I was 12 years old. I was 12. What am I talking about? Garments. With 16 at Montreux, I was 12 years old. So I didn't get drafted. So I was 21 years old. That's nine more years of Braun being my favorite player.

[Debo]

Where did Brian. Okay, so you. You was just Brown fan. You ain't care nothing about the city, even though the city that drafted you, you. You said you love, you dedicate. You go out there, you live.

[Joe]

You, You, You.

[Bobby Bones]

You.

[Debo]

You die for all this other stuff. Like love this, love that. Cleveland. But like, oh, no. Hell with y'.

[Podcast Host]

All.

[Debo]

I hope y' all lose. My man Bron Beach, y', all, from

[Joe]

a high school kid has been called the chosen one, and I watched him with my own eyes. Debo. Do it. Stay out the way, not get in trouble, be a professional and be dunking on everyone. This is one of the best basketball players. Like, just from the eye test, Debo. Just from the eye test when he was with the Cavs.

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[Joe]

You remember those first years we was just literally taking off from the free throw line. The athleticism. Then he goes to the heat, wins it ships okay. Go to the. Comes back to the land, ship again, Goes to la. Ship again. Then I go, I play, I play.

[Debo]

He didn't go there with no talking

[Joe]

about I play in the league.

[Debo]

You forgot Dwyane Wade was over there. And Boston.

[Joe]

I play in the league for 12 years. I go back home, I retire. I'm chilling here. We're talking to my man and LeBron is still out there balling and dunking on people. I was. What are we talking about here?

[Debo]

We're talking about the land. We're talking about who. Who you actually have. You know what I'm saying? You say it's your city, but it ain't your city.

[Joe]

That's what. But because look, the city. Look, Braun the city. Braun reps the land too. And he could go play. He played in Miami, he played la. He just went and played in Philly. Could have came back to the crib. Nobody disrespecting Braun.

[Tab Ramos]

He already.

[Debo]

That man went to Philly, bro. And he is going to fly every day to practice, bro. Listen, Kobe from New York City, who else?

[Joe]

It was. It was a lot of players that did it too.

[Debo]

What a lot of players I saw. I think the Philly fans ain't gonna feel some type of way about him not staying in the city of brotherly love, man.

[Joe]

A couple players did that.

[Debo]

Who name it. Give me another one.

[Joe]

Well, I think it was. It will hold up. No, no, no, no.

[Debo]

I will hold on.

[Joe]

I'm fine. I'm find it.

[Debo]

Come on, I'm waiting.

[Tony Ayo]

Joseph.

[Debo]

You can't even find it.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[Debo]

You know how much they said that gonna cost? They say that gonna be like 800,800 000. They say it's 12000 round trip, bro. Every day. 60, 60, 67, 68, something like that. Whatever, whatever. Whatever it was. Trips or whatever it may be, however it.

[Joe]

I don't do.

[Debo]

I don't know this.

[Joe]

This crazy thing and JJ Reddit,

[Debo]

Wilt Chamberlain, helicopter. Did they even have helicopters back then?

[Joe]

No, I think.

[Debo]

What are you talking about, Joe?

[Joe]

But he does, he did it on the train. He took the train. Train. He took the train. And JJ Reddit. I think Jerry Reddit had a. I think JJ Reddit took a. I think he drove. But they, they lived in New York. They still made it.

[Debo]

It's a 35 to 50 minute, 50 minute flight.

[Joe]

35 minutes.

[Debo]

Helicopter.

[Joe]

He's gonna have a different helicopter than that than, than the seaplane. He's gonna have. I understand what you said, Helicopter, Yeah,

[Debo]

you can have a big old helicopter. But I'm saying like Joe, I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not flying. Why'd you just come back to the land, Joe? You wanna, you wanna fly? You could have.

[Tab Ramos]

What?

[Debo]

He could have came back to the land.

[Joe]

So back to the land. And we'd have been on the floor, Debo.

[Baker Mayfield]

We would.

[Debo]

Joe, you will never get floor seats in Cleveland again. I'm telling you that right now, brother.

[Joe]

What are you talking about?

[Debo]

Dan Gilbert is not giving you floor seats again after this.

[Joe]

Fine. You're just going to tell me you're crazy. You trying to put.

[Debo]

You just said Brian over everybody.

[Joe]

I do say that. That is true. That is true. Bron, Bron, bro. That's my good man. But after, after that, who do you have see, do you have a favorite player that you're passionate about like this? No.

[Debo]

Over who?

[Joe]

Over who's your favorite player of all time?

[Debo]

I ain't gonna lie. I never really had a favorite player.

[Joe]

What I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. It's all good though. It's all good though. Oh, good.

[Debo]

But here it goes. If as you, as you know, I'm Jordan, I think Jordan is the best ever to do it. Okay, if it was Jordan playing against. Say Pittsburgh had a basketball team.

[Joe]

Okay, it's Pittsburgh.

[Debo]

Cause I'm real home team. You fronting, false flagging.

[Joe]

There's only been one player that made me. Well, actually, when it was Jordan. I'm a player kind of guy. Maybe when I was a kid. Maybe that's why.

[Debo]

That's what it is.

[Joe]

Maybe that's why Michael Bigg. I just individual. I just like the individual. And I would follow my favorite guys wherever they go. I like you. I like what I have. Boom. I'm gonna follow you wherever you go. That's kind of how I was. So that's. If you, if that's Jakey. I mean, I like the player. You know what I'm saying? Good. Boom.

[Debo]

That's janky. That's super janky. That's the jankiest thing I'd have never heard of, Joe. That's jankier than your hip.

[Joe]

That's just.

[Debo]

I'm just telling you, Joe. But, man, let's stay with these super chats, man. Look at this. What is that? CT Saints. I don't even know what that is. He. He got $2. He said, Joe is Brown over the land. You right. Everybody know he's an individual.

[Tony Ayo]

Hold up.

[Debo]

That's Dan Gilbert didn't say that.

[Podcast Host]

Hold on, hold on.

[Debo]

Dan Gilbert.

[Joe]

No, that's not. Hold on.

[Debo]

He just texted me.

[Joe]

Hold on. Oh, he's not. See my good man, ct.

[Debo]

He tell Joe he needs to call me if he thinks he gonna ever get floor seats again.

[Joe]

There's nobody else. Nobody else that I can even think about rooting for over the land than LeBron James. LeBron James started out at the land, so he put.

[Debo]

He just made it.

[Joe]

It was all together. Everything rolled in woods.

[Debo]

Listen.

[Joe]

And I got drafted there to the land.

[Debo]

To the land. You got drafted there to the land. But you go. Go against.

[Joe]

I landed in the land for a man.

[Debo]

Go against the land for a man. He was flying past with the land.

[Joe]

He was flying past me in the air to Miami, so I didn't even get to see him my first years there. It was me.

[Debo]

You got a tv, don't you?

[Super Troopers 3 Announcer]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's when I was rocking with the Heat. I was.

[Bobby Bones]

He.

[Joe]

I was a Heat Bronze. I was a Bronze fan because he's playing for the Heat, But I was Cavs, Anderson, Bearjow, Baron Davis. Rocking the Baron Davis beard to the games.

[Debo]

What beard you got? He never had a beard. Oh, you mean a fake beard. Okay, okay, how about. Say, Joe, you ain't never had no beer. What you talking about? You are here. You out here. You on them drugs.

[Tab Ramos]

No, man.

[Tony Ayo]

Real good.

[Debo]

Covenant life. She back. $10, she said. Welcome back, Debo and Joe. We missed y' all so much, I almost had to start listening to Brown's podcast. Ah, yep. Then I remembered I have standards, Joe. She has standards. Glad the show is back for show come to life again. She said. She said Tua went to Magic City. That's why. Listen. That's why it's back. It's tight and. Or they know the first game is the Steelers, and that defense is about to put the one hit a quitter on his one hit away from that blue tent.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Yeah, he won't hit. Listen, I listen. That ain't right. But the game is rough.

[Joe]

It's a tough game.

[Debo]

He knowing like, yo, and my back get tight now. I could, you know, possibly not have to play against them Pittsburgh Stills.

[Joe]

About to be real.

[Kohler Cast Iron Ambassador]

Mm.

[Debo]

Coming to life. She back again. Coming alive. Hey, she said the Browns have the first chance of picking their place at the beach in Cancun. Love you, Joe.

[Joe]

Dang. Coveted.

[Debo]

That's it. That's the real life.

[Joe]

Oh, that's some real life. No, she. What you're not realizing.

[Debo]

Hey, Covenant, did Joe send you your jersey yet?

[Joe]

Covenant got two Steelers jerseys from me. I gotta steal Senator Browns one

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you

[Debo]

got on right now.

[Joe]

She don't want no brown jersey.

[Debo]

She want to burn it up on tv.

[Joe]

Disrespectful. Coveted life sending us to Cancun before the season started.

[Debo]

Y' all know y' all already had y' all truck shipped and ready to go before December, man.

[Joe]

Listen, Shador was there during rookie minicamp, okay? They're getting the play calls down. We're going to average at least 23 points a game this year, okay? That's all I'm telling you.

[Debo]

Well, she said no. She did not get her jersey yet anyway. That's a no.

[Joe]

She keep on talking crazy about the Browns, though. God, why is. Why so reckless?

[Tab Ramos]

Why?

[Tony Ayo]

Why?

[Debo]

Why do you care? You don't even care about the city of Cleveland like you said.

[Super Troopers 3 Announcer]

No, I do.

[Joe]

Don't do that just because there's one. There's a brawn that I'm rocking with.

[Debo]

Hey, hey, listen, listen, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, crazy like. Oh, no.

[Debo]

If it's just one, it's okay, right? If it's just one, it's okay, right? Is that what you're saying? What if it's just one? Just one person that, you know, you. You against everybody for you. Just for that one person, it's okay. Even though you claim to be the land. You claim to be the land. The city that drafted you.

[Super Troopers 3 Announcer]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Took a chance on you when nobody else.

[Joe]

Joe land rock with me because they know how I feel about them. Everybody be always trying, but they don't

[Debo]

know how you feel about them right now. They thought you felt the way they felt about you, but they saying that's not true.

[Joe]

To know the land is feeling how much love I have for them right now. To know where to love is Braun. In the land. Oh, like to know that we're. Come on.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Debo]

If something was to happen, Joe, and we were to get into an altercation.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

And I'm like, joe, you my brother. I got your back no matter what. But and end up being Brian and I don't

[Tab Ramos]

like.

[Debo]

And I, and I, I ain't there for you because I'm like, you know what, man? I can't. I can't do nothing for you, man. You shouldn't have did whatever you did. You on your. You solo by yourself, man. Him and his team, they go just stump lights out.

[Podcast Host]

You.

[Debo]

I'm gonna go ahead and watch it. Hey, really, you ain't really my brother like that then, is you? How many, how many. How many times you done sat down and ate with Brown? How many times you done sat down and had and talked and talked about the word. How many times you don't sat down and had conversations with. With him about his cheering?

[Joe]

Let me tell you something. I had a couple of times. But this is what I'm gonna tell you. I would never let nobody put their hands on you. I don't care who it is. Okay?

[Debo]

That's how the land feel about you. I'd be like, you don't feel like that about them.

[Joe]

He was ready to jump on you. I'd be like, bro, that's Debo. You better not jump on him. But he jump on us. That's what I tell him. See this people don't do that. You see, that's. There you go. You, you have to put

[Tab Ramos]

each other.

[Joe]

You ready to go again?

[Debo]

I gotta find something. I gotta find something. Jo.

[Joe]

How can I make Joe want to fight?

[Debo]

I gotta find some

[Joe]

depot, bro. I gotta watch you.

[Debo]

I'm telling you. Oh my goodness, brother. Listen here, baby. We got some, we got some good stuff coming up here next week. I think we got hottie and un next week. I think that may be Tuesday. Hopefully we'll be at a Steelers training camp for a couple days the week after that. But yeah, we, we got some. We got some stuff going on for you.

[Bobby Bones]

Hold up.

[Debo]

Covenant. Like she back again. $10 she said should door. Oh, man, she's got purchase the Browns Christmas cards already.

[Joe]

Christmas gifts. She trying to play first of the

[Debo]

grounds Christmas gifts already. Hold on. Yeah, these chairs and umbrellas. I want, I want the Browns jersey because I know you're going to the hall of Fame as a Brown. That's the only reason she wants a jersey.

[Tab Ramos]

She.

[Joe]

She can't just be nice. You got to put all.

[Debo]

She said she want the jersey because she know that's nice saying you're going to go in the hall of Fame. As a Brown. That's why she wants the jersey going

[Joe]

to make sure that she has to start it off with the beach chairs and the gifts to make sure that she gonna be like, everything's not gonna be nice. Beach chairs and gifts for Shador because we going to Cancun.

[Debo]

Why is that something crazy like, that's nice to do to like as a. Like to purchase for like, like the Browns, like the weeds. That's. Wouldn't you. If I send you a beach chairs and umbrella, you go take it because you like to go to the beach, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, but it's the purpose.

[Debo]

It's like used to going to the

[Joe]

beach in January, send it to me saying like, oh, you're not going to be in the playoffs. You're going to be in Cancun. That's what makes it, you know, you look at.

[Debo]

Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. I didn't. I didn't interpret it, though.

[Joe]

You're not going to be in the playo early trip.

[Debo]

No, I did. I didn't interpret it that way, Joe. I didn't. I'm sorry.

[Joe]

You're mathematically eliminated. Here goes a lawn chair.

[Debo]

I mean, y' all usually are by December, so, I mean, it's not really a lie. I'm just saying, Joe, look here, man. Ladies and gentlemen, we want to thank you for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe, download where you get your show and hit the like button. Hit the like button. Joe.

[Bobby Bones]

Joe.

[Joe]

We'll see you guys on Monday, same time, same place. Let's get it.

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[Debo]

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