Nightcap Hour 2: Wemby REFLECTS on First NBA Finals + James Harden ARRESTED on GUN Charge + Aldon Smith PASSES Away at 36 + A’Ja Wilson and Aces TOP Lynx + Sparks HANDLE Mercury

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2 (June 14, 2026)

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Ocho), ISO Joe Johnson, Frankie Bellamy

Episode Focus:
This episode is a dynamic breakdown of the 2026 NBA Finals, with Victor Wembanyama reflecting on his first Finals appearance, the Knicks’ win, discourse on James Harden’s gun charge, Aldon Smith’s tragic passing, WNBA standouts, and lively fan Q&A. The hosts keep the tone energetic, honest, and at times hilarious, offering personal insights, sports analysis, and cultural commentary.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• NBA Finals Recap: Reaction to Knicks’ first championship in 53 years, focusing on Jalen Brunson’s Finals MVP performance and Wemby’s reflection on losing at home.
• Player Accountability and Growth: Discussion of mistakes, learning curves, and coaching in high-pressure environments.
• Sports as a Broader Metaphor: Comparisons to NFL, life lessons on greatness, and the need for accountability.
• Notable News: Coverage of James Harden’s arrest and the passing of Aldon Smith, with candid reflection on struggles athletes face.
• WNBA Highlights: A’Ja Wilson’s dominance, Kelsey Plum’s career-high, and the shifting landscape for women’s basketball.
• Listener Engagement: Multiple fan questions, hot takes, and shout-outs.
• Cultural/Lifestyle Segment: Off-the-cuff stories about nightlife, gun laws, and family.

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Detailed Breakdown

I. NBA Finals: Wemby's Reflection & Knicks’ Triumph

Victor Wembanyama Post-Game Reflections

• On Losing:
  “This is the biggest lesson of my life... I can’t tell exactly what the lesson is, but we’re learning from that for sure. I’m learning more than any other time in my life before.” — Wemby ([02:45])
• On Thin Margins:
  “Our domination stints are absolute... but our errors... are punished so hard… The downs is the reason we lost.” — Wemby ([03:24])

Hosts’ Analysis

• Ocho (Shannon Sharpe):
  • Stresses mistakes are costlier in the playoffs: “In postseason, you pay double for turnovers.” ([04:22])
  • Highlights the need for players and coaches to adapt: “Either the message that I’m trying to give you, I need to change the form... or I need a new player.” ([06:09])
• ISO Joe:
  • On coaching: “Ms. Johnson got out-coached by Mike Brown… he’s still a rookie himself.” ([06:36])
• On Greatness:
  • “Everybody can be great when greatness not required. I need you to be great when greatness is required, when nothing else will suffice but greatness.” — Ocho ([08:40])
• Brunson Praise:
  • “Every time it seemed like the Knicks came up with big play after big play, when it really counted.” — ISO Joe ([07:45])

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II. Player Comparisons & Legacy Debates

Who Would You Start, Bench, Cut?

• Dirk (2011), Kawhi (2019), Brunson (2026)
  • Joe: “I’m starting Dirk... I’m a bench Brunson... I’m gonna have to cut Kawhi.” ([09:56])
  • Ocho: “Had Kawhi beaten a healthy KD & Warriors, I would start Kawhi.” ([10:33])
• 3-peat Era Dialogue:
  • Kobe & Shaq Lakers, 90s Bulls, historic Celtics: “You know how good you got to be to 3-peat, man?” — ISO Joe ([11:33])
  • On Shaq leaving: “Had he known... he’d train his ass off, and he’d be the greatest player to ever play.” — Ocho ([12:27])
• On Shaq:
  Multiple anecdotes about Shaq’s otherworldly size, strength, and rare agility.
  • “God didn’t intend for a man to be that size to be able to move like that.” ([14:49-15:19])
  • “Shaq’s supposed to be in the conversation for the GOAT... that’s how great he was.” ([18:11])

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III. News & Off-Court Headlines

James Harden Arrested

• Context: Arrested at 3:41am for unlawful carrying of a weapon in Houston.
  • “Remember, they say nothing good happens after midnight.” — Ocho ([19:36])
  • “Ain’t Houston the open carry state? …but I think you got to be in a holster.” — Frankie/Bellamy, ISO Joe ([20:15],[20:19])

Cultural Takeaways:

• Extended and light-hearted discussion on nightlife, avoiding trouble, gun laws, and safety, connects back to athlete lives and self-care.
  • “If you got to take a gun somewhere, you don’t need to be there to party.” — Ocho ([31:59])
  • “Most dangerous place is the gas station… my antenna’s up.” ([35:10])

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IV. Aldon Smith’s Passing — Athlete Struggles

• News: Aldon Smith passes away at 36.
  • “We’re devastated by the sudden and tragic passing… Aldon…will be remembered for his infectious smile…” ([42:00])
  • “You don’t know the demons that a person is going through... a lot of times you ask, ‘Are you really good though?’” — Ocho ([44:21–44:44])
• Addiction & Family:
  Deep, personal segment about loved ones with addiction and alcoholism, reflecting on trauma and cycles:
  • “The same things that makes you great, makes you fallible, because you don’t know how to turn it off.” — Ocho ([46:16])
  • Multiple personal stories (e.g., Ocho’s dad, Frankie’s mother), candid talk about cycles of struggle: “My mama, drinking like a fish, it’s gonna be the death of you.” ([48:09])

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V. WNBA Spotlight

A'Ja Wilson and Las Vegas Aces

• Stats: 24 PTS, 10 REB, 2 STL, 3 BLK; led Aces over Lynx ([51:28])
• Player Building Debate:
  • “If I’m starting a team in WNBA history, I might start with A’Ja.” — Ocho ([51:46])
  • “She a walking double-double and she play both ends.” — Ocho ([52:09])
  • Lisa Leslie comparisons and historic call-outs ([52:17–52:35])

Kelsey Plum Goes Off

• Kelsey Plum: Career-high 43 points in Sparks’ double OT win over the Mercury ([58:31])
• Co-Host Reactions:
  • “That lefty, she cold. She got great pace… she’s a bucket.” — ISO Joe ([59:13], [60:10])
  • “I’m happy for them; they’re making millions. They’ve earned that right. They’re playing unbelievable basketball.” — Ocho ([60:32])

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VI. Fan Q&A and Listener Moments

Notable Fan Messages

• Knicks Fans Celebrate:
  • Multiple voicemails hype Ocho’s accurate predictions, gloating over Knicks victory:
    • “Ocho believed in us from day one... and Joe been hatin’—who’s the champion now!” ([63:40])
• On Brunson’s Skill:
  • Q: “Is the defense on Jalen Brunson that bad or is he just that good?”
    • ISO Joe: “Jalen Brunson is that good, fellas... especially in clutch situations... Get that man his props.” ([65:06])
• Emotional Impact:
  • One listener shares: “My wife has been watching Nightcap a lot... It’s been helping her to laugh when she’s having a tough time.” ([66:41])
• Discussion on Knicks' Historic Season:
  • “Knicks, for the first time in 53 years, you are the NBA champion. Jalen Brunson is Finals MVP... the only two guards in a closeout game to give you 45—Jalen Brunson and Michael Jordan.” — Ocho ([84:12])
  • “Brunson is where he’s supposed to be.” — Ocho ([81:40])
• Spurs/Losing Side Analysis:
  • Multiple fan suggestions and critiques about De'Aaron Fox, Spurs’ roster construction, and whether Wemby needs to develop his post game.
  • “Wemby was extremely disappointing. He needs to tighten his handle... get on the Giannis weight room program.” — Ocho summarizing chat sentiment ([73:48])

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VII. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Greatness: “I need you to be great when greatness is required, when nothing else will suffice but greatness. Can you be great?” — Ocho ([08:40])
• On Shaq: “Shaq’s supposed to be in the conversation for the GOAT.” ([18:11])
• On Harden: “If you got to take a gun somewhere, you don’t need to be there to party.” — Ocho ([31:59])
• Postgame Lesson: “Our errors are punished so hard, that we can’t have ups and downs like this.” — Wemby ([03:24])
• Brunson’s Arrival: “As a native New Yorker, I can honestly say the Spurs beat themselves. They need a closer on that squad.” — Ocho reading chat ([75:56])
• Addiction Insight: “The same things that makes you great, makes you fallible…” — Ocho ([46:16])
• Fan Impact: “Nightcap has given us some great laughs... helping my wife through tough times with some laughter.” ([66:41])
• On WNBA Pay Progress: “I love... that they’re making millions... the Lisa Leslies, and Lauren Jackson, and the Cynthia Coopers... didn’t make a lot of money, but that’s how it goes as a sport advances.” — Ocho ([60:38])

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VIII. Timestamps for Key Segments

• Wemby’s Postgame Interview: [02:45–04:20]
• Playoff Mistakes & Coaching: [04:20–07:45]
• Dirk/Kawhi/Brunson Debate: [09:14–10:33]
• Shaq’s Legacy & Dominance: [12:27–18:23]
• James Harden Arrest & Gun Laws: [19:36–32:07]
• Aldon Smith Memorial & Athlete Struggles: [42:00–50:03]
• A’Ja Wilson/Aces & WNBA: [51:28–54:42]
• Kelsey Plum & Sparks: [58:31–61:12]
• Fan Voicemails & Community: [61:47–67:52]
• Brunson's Historic Game & Knicks’ Title: [84:12–86:26]

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Summary

Nightcap Hour 2 is a sports talk masterclass, blending high-level basketball analysis, cultural commentary, and honest storytelling. The hosts break down the NBA Finals with a critical but celebratory eye, highlighting Jalen Brunson’s legendary clincher, Wemby’s learning curve, and the razor-thin margins at this level. They pay tribute to Aldon Smith’s life and struggles, underscore the dangers and decisions off the court (with Harden’s arrest), and give overdue props to women’s basketball stars. The episode finishes with a joyous connection to listeners, making this not just about sports, but about life’s wins, losses, and everything in between.

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For Knicks fans and sports diehards alike, this is an episode full of honest talk, humor, and wisdom—the kind that keeps you coming back for every Nightcap.

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everything. You know what? Everything ain't meant for me to get. Let's take a listen to what Wimby had to say after the game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, Victor, I know it's the end

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

of a tough series. I'm just wondering if you can put into words what it was like to watch that team celebrate a championship on your home floor. And does that give you and the team maybe motivation, fuel going into whatever's next? I think doesn't compare to anything before. This is the biggest lesson of my life, the biggest learning moment. I can't tell exactly what the lesson is, but we're learning from that for sure. I'm learning more than any other time

[ISO Joe Johnson]

in my life before every team you

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

face so far, you guys always found a way to get over the top eventually. What, what did you learn about how hard it is to win the Finals against this Knicks team where they kept coming up with answers? Brunson just could always score no matter what in the end. I learned. One of many things I learned is the margin of error is very, very thin. Our domination stints are absolute. We absolutely dominated for most of the series. But our errors, our mistakes are punished so hard that we can't have ups and downs like this so, so much. You know, the ups, okay. The downs is the reason we lost.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Facts.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes. Yeah, Joe, we've been talking about this all. We talk about this, Joe. We talk about this all the time. In postseason, you pay double for turnovers. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You pay double. The question is. And we don't. We talk about this in football. Yes. When the mo. You have the momentum, how much separation can you put between you and the team? Because they gonna go on that run.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the, the spurs low was just too damn low.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It was just too damn low. Yeah. I, I, I mean, Ocho, granted, you had the Knicks the whole postseason, bro, but. Yes, sir, for the spurs to just dwindle, just give away games the way they done down the stretch, bro, I mean, I, outside of being fatigued and, you know, obviously we don't want to keep throwing the immature thing out there, but, hell, I don't know what else to tell you, bro. Like, you know, I, I think, like Wimby say, I think hopefully they will learn from a lot of these losses from this series alone, and hopefully it'll be better in the future. But Carbon copy every game up double figures, blow the lead and lose.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And see, that's what's so frustrating. You know, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If you make a mistake one time, I put my arm around and say, oh, Cho's bear, you made a mistake, bro. We can't do that no more.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But guess what? Two days later, Ocho, you do the same mistake. And then two days after that, Ocho, you do the same mistake. And then two days after that, Ocho, you do the same mistake. Now either one or two things you will f up or you not receiving the message that I'm giving you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Or I need to give you the message in a new form.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's not that, Joe. Ocho, it's not that complicated. It's really not either the message that I'm trying to give you, I need to change the form in which I'm giving it to you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Or, and my coach say, son, I need a new player. I need a new player, son.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, but, but, but, but While you talking, Ms. Johnson got out coached by Mike Brown.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He did.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we got to understand now this, hey, Ms. Johnson, even though he's inherited a great young team.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He's still a rookie him damn self.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, so I, I, I, I kind of see, I can kind of see where the, where things don't go so great for them down the stretch, man. It, it, it's not just the players. It's the coaching too, at times.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He, I, I don't know how calming or soothing voice that he has in the huddle because it seems like when the bleeding, they, they can't stop the bleeding.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because the thing is, oh, Joe, if you notice, it's like when, when, when the Knicks go and they run or the spurs need to make a shot, they can't get it. And it seems like every time the Knicks need to make a shot, they can get it. Every time they gonna get to the free throw line or they, they gonna get, they gonna, they, they gonna find a way. Every time. And the spurs could never, could never match that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Every time, Every time, every time it seemed like the Knicks came up with big play out, the big play, bro. When they counted, when it really counted.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that's all that matters. Joe, me and Ocho, we talk about this all the time. Oh, they got a great offense. They got a great defense. Yeah. Well, if you're great, can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely positively gotta have got to have it?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When you need a stop, can you, if you're a great defensive team and you need to get the ball back for your offense, can you, if you're an offense and you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Great.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Can you get a first down to stay on the field? Can you convert that third down? Can you get your team in field goal range? Can you get that? What are we talking about? I don't need you. Everybody can be great when. When greatness not required.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I need you to be great when greatness is required, when nothing else will suffice but greatness. Can you be great?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right. Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because if you're not, I mean, what are we. What are we doing here? What are we. What are we doing? What are we talking about?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, I just. I can't even put it into words, bro. From.

[Frankie Bellamy]

From.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

From a Spurs perspective on how this series went, like,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Start, bench, cut. Joe. Dirk, 2011. Kawhi, 2019, Brunson, 2026.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on. Come on.

[Frankie Bellamy]

No, that. That's their best years, though, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on. Cause that boy. That Dirk. Dirk put them boys out when. When Braun and D. Wade was at the. Come on, man.

[Frankie Bellamy]

At the apex,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe. Different Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, man. Who coming up with these questions? I wanna know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Who you say now?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Dirt.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Dirt, 2011. Kawhi, 2019, Brunson, 2026.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You say cut, bench, start.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Well, start, bench, cut.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm starting.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Wherever you want to do it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm starting Dirk. There's no answer for that boy. Brian never had no answer for him. Sorry. Okay. I don't know what to tell y'. All. Start, bench, cut. All right. I'm gonna have to be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

See if we still together, because I got. I got my. I got what. I know what I would do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna have to bench. I'm a bench. I'm gonna bench Brunson. I'm gonna have to cut Kawhi.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's exactly what I was going.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Had Kawhi. Had Kawhi gone through a healthy Kevin Durant and beat the Warriors, I would start Kevin. I would start Kawhi.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I would bench Dirk, and then I would cut Brunson.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely. If Kevin Durant would have stayed, if he wouldn't have tore his Achilles in that series, we all. We all know what we all felt.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Would it be different?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We all felt that the warriors would have won that series.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay. I mean, they would have been. They would have been a 3P for them, wouldn't it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh? Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But being healthy, bro, plays a major part.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, what. What's the last NBA team to 3P, Uncle Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell, Lakers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Kobe and Shaq.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Kobe and Shaq.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They put a whole lot of three P.S. you got the Lakers. Have you got the bulls in the 90s? You got the, the cell. You got the lakers in the 2000s, bro. You gotta go all the way, all the way back to the damn, the Celtics in the 60s.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know how good you got to be? The 3pMan.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, Joe. What's up? I mean, those Lakers teams that were three feet were three. That three, Peter, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

The meat potatoes of those teams was Kobe and Shaq. Were the supporting. Were the supporting role players. Were they that good?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And hell yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Derek Fisher, whole Grant. You got Rick Fox, Robert Ory.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Robert Ory. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got Brian Shaw, Robert Horry. Yeah, they were very.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

So hold on now. Now think about this. If we could rewind, if we, if we could rewind back the time and Shaq knows what he knows now, you think he still leave that team knowing that we could probably maybe go. Maybe go four, maybe five. If you keep the band together.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Knowing what he knows now, ignore what he knows now, if Shaq, if you can take Shack. Okay, Shaq, this is what's gonna happen. This is 20 years, 25 years forward, and I say he can see all of that.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He would train his ass off, and he'd be the greatest player to ever play.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

How many more championships do I mean? Five,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

six in a row?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Straight in a row.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That boy was dominant. Ojo.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Well, you know, hey, Joe and I ain't watch basketball back then, but you, you see it because the certain names, it always pop up on espn, so you have no choice but to see the highlights. Yeah, I, I, I, I have a great understanding on how great Kobe is. Obviously, you know, you know, going to a few courtside games with my son, he, he was so. Little joke.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Before Jersey on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I don't know, man. This has been really enjoyable the past year. Again, a better understanding of the game, you know, as I'm being able to watch it and trying to, to learn how to, how to, how to talk it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's, It's Ocho. It's a beautiful game, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It is.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's a beautiful game, especially when it's played the right way.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Right way. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And that's the one thing I get the Knicks credit, Uncle Ocho. They played the game the right way. Obviously, Brunson has been the catalyst, but for the most part, they've beat you in numerous, you know, numerous situations, whether it's og, whether it's Bridges, whether it's cat, whether it's their bench, whether it's Brunson. You know, they beat you in so many different ways, bro. It hadn't really, you know, just been a dominant figure, but tonight I thought Brunson put his step on the game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Shaq trains like. I know like. Like I say you. I mean, I know like, the trainer that trained Shaq used to train me. And so I. And I've seen Shaq in the gym, man, Shaq was strong. Shaq bench over £400.

[Frankie Bellamy]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ain't no basket. Yeah, Shaq could over £400. I seen Shaq bench £300 ten times. I seen it with my own eyes.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Shaq was strong, so he. He's strong like Oakley strong.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But the thing is, Oakley, it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I see Oakley. 275 for 10 times, 10 left reps. Yeah, with my own eyes.

[Frankie Bellamy]

And the boy strong like me, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It ain't even necessarily for me about him being the strongest. It's how nimble he is at his side. Yes. That's what made him great, because I

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

don't think 325, 330.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You gotta realize that when Shaq was at the Laker, Shaq was probably like, 350, 360. But can move, though. That goddamn but, K, man. But see, but see, yes, he can move, but a man. God didn't intend for a man to be that size to be able to move like that. And it broke him down. And so it started. His knees, his feet, his ankles, things. Things started to bother him when he was 325 to 335. You couldn't see him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, what was he when he was in Orlando?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Probably 320, 325, tops.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You think he was that heavy? I don't think he was at heaven

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

when he came in. Probably when he came in, he's probably three.

[Frankie Bellamy]

He looked real slim when he was in Orlando, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ocho, Ocho, man, you gotta. You gotta look up some of them games when he was playing at LSU in college, bro.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You were nice.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ah, you know what?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, hey, Joe, remember that move? I think it was him and Jordan probably in the All Star Game, and they were playing around, and he crossed him up. How the hell he moving like that? Looking like a goddamn point.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, that boy was a gazelle. Early in his. Early in his career, that boy could run the flow. He was nimble. He could handle the rock. He could do everything, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shaq had 15 blocks in a game.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, the only thing he struggled with was his free throws.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And the three.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's it, bro. And then he developed a jump hook and a soft touch around that bucket.

[Frankie Bellamy]

It was a rap.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It wasn't nothing you could do with him. Damn. Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let me see something here. In 1992, when he got to Orlando, he was listed at 301.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, he's 300 pounds.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You gotta realize, man. Do y'. All Real people don't realize. I don't know if they've ever seen Shaq in person. He's the biggest man I've ever seen in person.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

He big. Big bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I've seen some guys that probably outweigh him as NFL, you know, J. O. I played with Jonathan ogden. Jonathan was six, nine and a half. Jonathan Ogden weighs somewhere like 340. He said he got as much of it 350. Yeah, but you see Shaq 7:1. When you that tall, do you know how much weight you can put on the body? Shaq can easily be £600, man. Do you know how much you could. How much weight you could put on a. A body, a man. His height?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

man. Do y' all realize how Shaq. You see Shaq Pros vs. Joe's. You see Shaq running the party? You see Shaq swimming. You see, man, Shaq, catcher passes. No, he athletic at the bang. He the big. He the biggest, most athletic guy I've ever seen.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I got facts. Facts, fact. That boy nimble now,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

bro. If he can project and look forward and then go back to do it. Oh, he absolutely. He tell you Shaq supposed to be in the conversation for the goat.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Not just the most dominant. Shaq's supposed to be in the conversation for the goat. When you talk about magic, you talk about Jordan, you talk about Kobe, LeBron, whoever your goals are.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shaq's supposed to be in that conversation.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's how great he was. That's how great he was. If he. If he just kept his weight down like he's supposed to, he'll tell you. People don't realize, man. People don't realize how great Shaq was, man. I do, because I saw his ass in college.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. He was special. He was special.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He was unguardable.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

We never see nothing like that again, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Never. You'll never see anybody his size to be able to move like he could. No. You'll never be able to see it as agile as you. You think Joel Embiid is. He couldn't see Shaq.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah. Cause we ain't seen nobody since Here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Who, Whomever, whomever you think the best defensive sitter is. Shaq in his prime is giving him 40. 40. Embiid, Wimby, Jokic, Whoever gave him 40,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

you're gonna file out, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

People have four, three, four big man, just for Shaq to have 20, to have 18. 24 files. Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You gonna foul out. That's the filing, Mojo.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you could stop. If you get the ball down low, you gonna break and he gonna bring the backboard down on your head, man. What haro say it gonna rain on on your head. James Harden was reportedly arrested by the Houston Police Department early this morning on the Mr. M in unlawful carrying of a weapon. Harden was allegedly taken into custody at 3:41am for carrying a handgun on the seat of his vehicle, with authorities alleging the handgun was not in a holster. O joke. Remember, they say nothing good happens after midnight.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Wait a minute. If you have. Hey, ain't Houston the open carry state?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but I think you got to be in a host, got to be in a holster.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I mean, you, you, you would hope the officer, whoever it is, would have kind of cutting some slack and have it on the seat for a reason, get to it in a, in a certain situation. So I, I kind of get it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I kind of get Ocho. Ocho. Oh, ain't nothing open around that time but the legs. Gas stations and waffle Waffle House. That's it. That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you know what, Joe? I don't know about you and Ocho, but I ain't never been a guy that like to hang up be out that late now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I used to be out. I ain't gonna lie to you now. Yeah, I used to be out there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I used to be apple shake the COVID for dark. Yeah, yeah, but after dark, I'm in, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know what? I ain't really. I ain't never been no after hours spot, dude. You know, I mean, after we go to the spot. I'm trying to take my ass home. I ain't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got homie time. Hey, man, let's go to the after, man. Damn that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm going home.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Well, you, you all know my, my black ass don't club, so.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You ain't never used to club ojo, Joe.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I don't drink, Joe. So what am I doing in that environment?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't drink either.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Oh, you used to club, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I, I, I'm like, Joe, I ain't no after about it. You Know, I mean, there been times that I go up in the club, take the shirt off.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm high than you get.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You got your shirt off in the club, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, you just said it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Ocho. The football cast that I hung around and came up with that, what they did, that was typical. They were gonna take their shirt off. Yeah. They were gonna be sweating.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, Ocho, come on now. You look at £200 carved out of granite, looking like an African God.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Tripping on my body, beating it. Yeah. What, what you think they think? The little young lady thinking.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They need to be sweating like that on top of me.

[Frankie Bellamy]

The only place I used to go, Uncle Joe, is during my playing days. I used to go with my homeboys. They were from Cincinnati, Maine, Los Rico and my homeboy, Locke. After games, you know, I go to the skating session.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Play at one o'.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Clock.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

To the skating session, which is like, you know, seven to 10.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I go skating after every home game. I go roller skating every home game. That's how I get my soreness out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I go before I go to the stadium next morning and every blue moon, I go to a spot they used to call Annie's. A little spot they used to call Annie's. We go in and hang out. I don't drink. I get my little Red Bull. I get my cranberry juice. I mix it together.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I put it in a little glass, put a little lime on there. Man, I said that the whole night.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I mean, that's it.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

That.

[Frankie Bellamy]

That's the most. I live in Miami, Joe. I ain't even been to club live yet.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Dave Grubman's still trying to get me to come to live. You don't have to pay for no section I say, Dave. I just. It's not me. That environment, it's not me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Club Leo owe me some money here.

[Frankie Bellamy]

What you did?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What happened?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

As much money as many times. I don't parted in club live here. They owe me a little money. They owe me some. But you mean.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I know, I want. I know one thing, Joe. I love hearing the story, though. About. About.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, I had a good time now. I had a good time, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I didn't really go out. I think I went out one time. Went out one time after the game. That was after we won. After we won the AFC championship game in 98. Other than that, the. Joe, I'm going home. I. I wasn't gonna be able to do anything. I tried to have sex one time after the game, locked up. Oh, my girl thought she had to. Thought you gonna have to call me a mess, man. I like this here. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, she. Hey. She had to push me, roll me up. I just like this here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'm done.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I can't do nothing after no game. I ain't going to do. I can't do nothing. Do you know. Do you. Oo. I mean, people don't understand how much we run during the course of the game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I lose 8, 10, 12 pounds in the course of a game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Done.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, not here, boy. We should play here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't been to hold you. I ain't been to hold you. I can't embarrass myself. The first time I gotta lay out a mean demonstration.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I already.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The first time I'm laid out a mean demonstration.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I already know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, you coming back.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. That first time you ain't playing. You laying low.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I gotta lay out a bean demonstration.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I already know it. I already know it.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, y', all, y', all, y', all, y' all ask some of them tricks I told y' all to you till you. Till you see your demonstration. I'm telling you, they do more than come back now. You hear me?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That was a problem. I mean, I used to. I used to. I used to have a cramping problem. Bad.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Oh, after the game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It didn't matter. After the game, I just had a bad crappy problem. Hamstring back. Everything just lock up.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You mean Charlie horse. I had a Charlie Horse problem.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I had a. I had a cramping problem doing activity. You know, doing activity as Ocho say, horizontal activity.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it was bad. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it was bad. Bad. It's bad, Joe. Hey, and I could. Cuz I. I'm. I'm. I'm a sweater. I perspire. So it got to be. It got to be like 62 in the room.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Hey, and you in there trying to show out, too. Yeah, I already know it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I already know it. I already know it. I already know it. I already know it. That boy try to show out he ain't playing. Yeah, you think? Hey, hey, hey. You think she gonna be talking about Uncle Shay in the group chat?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, she is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I. She gonna be talking. Put out a mean demonstration.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, I. Listen, I don't want to get myself in no trouble, Uncle Joe, but, you know, I used to Had a little I had a little pamphlet back in the day, you know it come with a menu, you know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

And yeah, you come with a la. So based on what you want you get. You get to pick from. You know you go to the massage parlor.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

And they got different packages. You can. You can pick.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah yeah, you want.

[Frankie Bellamy]

But I. That's what I used to have back in the day.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Boy, I'm talking about. She took down to the T. She

[Frankie Bellamy]

and that they down to the T. What do you want?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Order it up.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yes sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm talking about. So like if she got on there and she ordered groceries ate she.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah. Hey listen.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh Lord. Jeez.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah. Hey, I got. I got some cola. The. The candle wax delight. You know 30 minute folk play with the candle wax, you know. Hold on. I don't want to give myself in no trouble Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on. Yeah. Bad you about the candle white the light man. This man. You're out of damn mind.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I'm g. See if I can find one of. One of my old menu. Joe. Yeah. I would like a gigolo on the inner s. Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah. Joe, some. Some of the things your man wasn't doing for you, you know they. I was in a newspaper ad. You. You connect me and get that work.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know how this man do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean for me to even think about something like that. I gotta know you about three, four years.

[Frankie Bellamy]

No, no, no you don't. No, you don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh yes I do.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I know you don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Off the muscle off the rib from the top to my. Hey, I meet you and then. Oh no sir.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Oh yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Never in a day. You got.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You got. You got to go to work, right? You got. You got one life to live.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey hey. Oh, he said they gotta pay like they way.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey hey hey. Packing boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nothing.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You know. $100 deluxe pack dollars.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You know you probably made. You probably made some good money doing that too, ain't man.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The big girl like the skinny ones cuz, you know. Oo oo don't gain like 20 pounds, 25 pounds since he been out of college.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So. But them skinny, you know the big girl like them skinny, they pay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Oh yeah. You know. Hey Joe, when I used to dance in LA at 97, 98.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

At the right track. You know you always want to dance for the. For the. The healthy women. I don't want to say big. Are you always.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They the ones that are paying.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey hey hey, Joe, you got to understand boy, I'm a. I'm a young fella with no money and I'm. I'm a good night on a Saturday after a game. I'm getting. Leaving. What make what? 2200, Man, listen, man. Yeah, yeah, it was some good days, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, I can't. Like I said, like I said, I just. I just expend so much energy. And that's why, you know, after the games, when even, even in high school, I couldn't do nothing for the most part. I always went home because my grandmother was home, my brother was in college, and my grandmother was home. It was just her, my nephew at the time, my sister was going out and so my aunt would always, you know, every time I played, I always told him, cuz I had an aunt named Jane and she would always ride the van or ride the bus back. And I was like, coach, look, my aunt. I said, I can't play if you can't take my aunt home after the game. I understand. You're not supposed to take anybody that's not a team member, like, well, hell, y' all want me to play on the football, basketball, track team? You gonna take my aunt home, Cuz she coming, she coming to all the games, you know. Yeah, she coming to football games, she coming to basketball games, and she. Hey, come on, Jane, let's go. But anyway, so I mainly went home. But I. I learned early on, me and, you know, me and the young lady after the game, it was. It was good. I was gonna. I wasn't gonna be able to. I wasn't gonna be able to have the performance.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like I had on the field, on the court.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So it wasn't no sense to me setting myself up for failure. Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You already knew that. That childhood gonna kick in at the wrong time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, I cramped. I cramped now. I still cramp now at night in the bed,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh. So I wake up in the bed, man, that thing. Be still.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait. Be that cab. Muscle calf and hamstring.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, I don't, I don't. I don't care. The only time I cramp, I got. I got to play some. I got to play something. Joe, you know, I play your son. I play Sunday league.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

On the big field, you know. 11. 11.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

The game like that, I cramp a little bit. If I. If I move wrong, if I turn wrong.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I cramp. A mcalf or mcquad. Mcquad. I catch a little Charlie Horse.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Just cramp. It just a cramp. I ain't Never had no issues.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That mean y' all ain't got no sodium in your body. Man, y' all gotta get some sodium in your body.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Some who?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Some sodium, Some salt. Some salt.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Well, you know, I got. You know what I get from McDonald's, you know, it's salt on my fries, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you know what? I don't like to drink a whole lot, Joe, when I'm exercising. I don't like it slushing right in my stomach.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I. I'll sip a little bit, but for the most part, in practice, at a two and a two and a half hour practice, I might drink a cup of water.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I can't have it on my stomach.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. No, no, no. Hey, hey, not in them streaming was pregnant. I'm telling you, bro, not in the stream was hard practice. Like. Like. Like that I was used to in college. Here, you couldn't put a lot on your stomach. It would come it up, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. And I don't like. You know how some people like. Oh, Joe, you know, we out there and they put the cold towels in the water.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't put that on my head. I don't want that.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You don't like?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell no. No, no. But look, hopefully this. This situation with James Harden gets resolved. Yeah. I guess the gun laws vary from state to state. Most Southern states, open carry, you don't even. It used to be you needed a firearm, a concealed weapon permit. Now you don't even need the permit and joint.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And you can take it. You can take it anywhere except the federal building.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Boy, walk around with clips this long and they gone. Come on, man. Yeah, come on. Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Got drums.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on. Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, come on. Now, my grandfather used to always say, boy, if you got to take a gun somewhere, you don't need to be there to party.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

God, you already know. Somebody spill a drink. Somebody step on somebody told somebody touch somebody. Girl, that thing about to snap off.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I'm one of those guys, Joe. If I. I don't care how bad she is, if I see her with someone.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Let her leave it alone.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, leave it alone, Dumbs. Hey, hey, hey. You got something on your back, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you got something on your back. Oh, you with him?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, bro. What are you supposed. At the end of the day, they still a man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can't just look at it just because you. You a Bronco. You will disrespect this man.

[Karen & Georgia (My Favorite Murder)]

Come on, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Leave that alone.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe, what's happening? What's that, bro? What's that?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah, that's my concealed permit. What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, that's your concealer. What you carrying? Huh? What you carrying?

[Frankie Bellamy]

I mean, you know, little sig, little nine, four five. I. I can carry my AR15. I just got that. I can't have it loaded.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell you gonna be doing carrying an AR15?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, Joe, you know I be hunting, Joe. I know I'd be hunting down, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's a military rifle. That guns made for the military.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I know, I know it's made for the military, but you just never know, you know, down.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you hunting with a damn ar, though?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Oh, like sometimes the. The.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The squirrel, hopefully in the military,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

you hunting with an ar.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Like, I ain't gonna eat him. I'm just.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He can't.

[Frankie Bellamy]

He can't be coming in the house, man, messing up my garbage.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, you said you send a message. You sending a message?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah, that's it. I ain't trying to hit him. Trying to hit him or just scare him a little bit. Hey, he let his homies know, probably.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What you carry? What you carry? A Sig. What? A p. What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Sig 9P226 or what you carrying?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Nah, Sig 226.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How many shots? 12, 16.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I got extended clip in that thing, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

24.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How dare you get a guy. How you get an extended clip in a Sig, huh? I've been seeing a. With this big.

[Frankie Bellamy]

They make anything for you, hear me?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm saying, what you need that many shots?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Photo just in case I miss because I only got one eye.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, well, but what I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, man, look at, man, it don't

[ISO Joe Johnson]

take that many damn shots, man. That's all I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All he do is gonna have a bunch of empty cases, empty rounds on the ground.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Unless you go, hey, you gonna be behind the car with that thing pointed out,

[Frankie Bellamy]

letting it rip. Joe, I play. Hey, Joe. I just be cautious sometimes, Joe, you know? You know, you never. I, I like to think everybody love and like me, you know, But Joe, you never know, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you already know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But. But the thing is, I try. I try not look as much as you try. The, the, the. The. The. The. The most dangerous place is the gas station. Oh, so my antenna's up. Yeah, I ain't finna hold you. My antenna is up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It make you naturally just paranoid, bro,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

by nature that I hate it I

[ISO Joe Johnson]

hate being like this, man. You can't help but, hey, hey, head be on the swivel like you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, it does. And people like, why you, why you looking around? Cause I don't want nobody to get the drop on me. I don't. I mean, I, I mean, look, I mean, there was, there was a time, once upon a time, guys. Yeah. I threw caution to the wind.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I leave my keys, I leave in the car, I go, I go into the store, get me a couple of round. Get me a couple of lottery tickets, buys a honey bun to drink and come back and not even think anything about it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Now somebody been went to your whole damn car, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Look here. And I just, I just, look, I just. Hey. And people, you know, like, bro, just don't, don't walk up on me like that, bro. I did, man, you know. Hey, hey, bro. I don't mean it's the bro. I don't know what you want because I don't know you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So, hey, so I just, I, I hate and I hate chat. Don't get me wrong, I hate being like that.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I really, really do.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You got, you got to though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, cautious in today's society. You've kind of left me no choice.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right? Right. Facts.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah. Hey, Joe, when you shoot, how you, how you shoot, Joe? You shoot straight ahead. You know, I, I turn that thing to the side, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, bro watching movies now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He think he old dog. Yeah. What you mean? Why are you shooting to the side? Hell, what you, what you, what you think you're doing?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Because I, I don't want to block my vision because you only got one eye.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If ain't nobody shooting to the side,

[Frankie Bellamy]

I'm blocking my vision, so I got to turn sideways.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, ain't no, ain't nobody shooting no gun like this. Let that hammer fly like that right there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, I'm. I'm hoping, I'm hoping like heck I. I ain't never got to use mine. You hear me?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah, same thing. Say I got mine for protection. Protection, Joe, you know?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. Two hands all, all day, you know, like that.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Oh, like this, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Like that. That there. Two hands out, quick, quick, quick. Yeah, yeah, two hands.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, I know what you're talking about. Hey, you know what's funny? Hey, you know the dude who always. The self defense guy, the funny clips. You know, the heavyset man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think I know you talking about.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, dog, he'd be so funny this is how you disarm a guy with a gun. Come up with all these.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, please.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And then when people try that, they talk about pop and then they go,

[Frankie Bellamy]

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's funny. He's funny. I forgot his name.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah. But like I said, hopefully everything works out okay. This is a misdemeanor charge. It's supposed to be holstered. It used to be, Joe. I mean, some states you got to have it in the glove box. You know, some people, I'm like, there's like, well, the. The. The. The clip needs to be here. The good. What. What good is it? What good is a gun without the clip in it?

[Frankie Bellamy]

What the hell at all you gonna be done?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you ain't gonna have time to get to that thing. Yeah, please.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They be saying some dumb stuff, and I ain't really trying to do that.

[Karen & Georgia (My Favorite Murder)]

I turned off news altogether.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I hate to say it, but I

[ISO Joe Johnson]

don't trust much of anything.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

NBC news brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

[Karen & Georgia (My Favorite Murder)]

Hi, it's Karen and Georgia from my favorite murder. We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamarr. Want the full story? Take a listen. She starts dating Howard Hughes, and in fact, she helps him design a faster plane. So she finds the fastest bir and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of what the two would look like as a plane. And that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy and Lamarr and Billie Jean King. Presented by the Hyundai Ioniq 5. Goodbye.

[Tab Ramos]

This is Tab Ramos from inside American soccer. And this summer, topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They're not just throwing games on in the background. Topgolf is going all in on soccer. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group. Special in venue activations, exclusive food and drink items inspired by the global game. And at more than 60 locations, they've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net. And every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue. So it's a great place to watch with friends, hang out, compete a little bit and enjoy the atmosphere. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer. You can get the topgolf Summer Fun Pass which lets you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit. Get yours [e-mail] FunPass Summer hits different at TopGolf.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm no web designer, but Wix Harmony kind of makes me feel like one. It's an AI website builder where I just describe what I want and it builds the entire site for me with all the business tools I need. My favorite part? I get an AI agent named Arya who helps me think things through or get stuff done. Wix has been pioneering website tech for 20 years and they've done it again. Try it for [e-mail] Harmony that's wix.com Harmony

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

hello? Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart Talks with IBM. Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of

[Frankie Bellamy]

a community and ultimately they want to

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

You've got Ferrari, which is a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology and digital channels, are they enabled to create a deeper connection with our fans?

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit IBM.com ferrari

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

ocho we have some very sad news. Former NFL pass rusher Alden Smith has passed away at just 26 years of age. 49, has released a statement. We are devastated by the sudden and tragic passing of Alden Smith. Alden, undeniably a talent ensured dominance on the field, were on display from the moment he joined our organization having recorded one of the best rookie season in NFL Football League history. Beyond his excellence as a player, Alden will be remembered for his infectious smile that lit up every room he walked in. Our entire organization sends its deepest condolences to the Smith family and all that knew and loved Alden. In 2024, Smith had attempted to turn his own struggles into methods of helping young athletes adjust to the pressures and pitfalls and of such a high profile job. He began the project called I am Loading with I Am Mean Intelligent Movement. The goal was to offer mentorship recovery coaching for those who had endured similar life challenges that off season. He also served as a mentor to the rookie classes of the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Loss and the Oakland, excuse me, the Las Vegas Raiders. Appearing on the Keyshawn Johnson's podcast, All facts, no breaks, June 24, Smith told Johnson he was hoping his journey could be a cautionary tale for young players trying to make their way. Alder Smith, dead at the age of 36.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Have we found out what the cause was? No, not yet. Huh.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I was reading. They say when he arrived at the hospital, he was doa with doa.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know. Obviously, we know some struggles that he had. Yes, sir. Uh, you know, you just hoping all for the best he had. I mean, what do you have, 33 and a half sacks in his first 32 games. He was on a, he was on a Reggie White historic pace.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And the demons got a hold of him and he couldn't shake him. And I don't know, as the statement read, my thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family and all the loved ones and everybody that knew Alden Smith. Yes, sir. It's just, it's just, it's just sad. It's just sad. 36 years of age. 36 life. You don't know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't know the demons that a person going through. You don't know what a person is dealing with. You don't, you know? And a lot of times, you know, Man, you are. Yeah, I'm good. I. Are you really good, though? Nope. Are you really good? I, you know, it's.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

A lot of people say that because they don't want to be a burden, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They don't. They don't, Joe. They don't. And I, I, I, I, I, I, I feel very privileged that every time Burns called me, he'll ask, homeboy, you good? I said, yeah, I'm good. He said, homeboy, you really good now? Or you just, Are you just telling me that right? So, homeboy, I'm good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because this time I'm really good. I, I, they say we create our demons. Yes, sir. Only we can chase them away.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

That's the hard part, though, the chasing away part.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because, Ocho, every day for the rest of your life, just imagine you being on parole for the rest of your life, you being on probation for the rest of your life, if you got an addiction, if you got an alcohol addiction, Whatever it is, you got to go every day and not partake. I've got to drive by a bar. I've got to drive by a liquor store. I got to drive by a convenience store. And if I go in the convenience store and I get a drink or I get a honey bun of potato chips, I've got to walk by the beer section, I got to walk by the alcohol section and says if I go to. If I go to a restaurant and have dinner with my family, friends, or loved ones, everybody else is ordering. I'm very, very cautious of that. Even when I come on. When they come on Club Shay Shay, if they've dealt with something, we have water, we don't have. We don't offer them a drink.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

That's hard, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I know what it's like because my. My grand. My dad dealt with that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I know how I am. You know, I. I come on here and I have, you know, one drink with you. I don't really drink. I don't drink when I'm out because I know me. I have a very addictive personality. The same things that makes you great, makes you fallible, because you don't know how to turn it off. You don't know when to stop training. You don't know when to stop running those routes. You don't know when to stop shooting those baskets. The things that make you the greatest are the things that makes you most fallible.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

So that's. That's how it is with. With Hurricane Uncle Joe, My old girl, my mama. Yeah, well, Joe, growing up, a lot of people ask me, you know, I know you drink, boy, you know, you funny. The perception on how people view me from the outside looking in. You would think I drink and smoke weed, you know, party sitting on the couch, no shirt, bottle in hand. But, nah, just seeing my mama, Joe, you know, when I was younger and watching someone that I love turn into someone that I didn't even recognize.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Early in the mornings. Yeah, it was not breakfast. It's that goddamn tangerine mixing, ruby red juice, grapefruit juice.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Huh? Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Early in the morning, that's your breakfast. At lunch, the same thing. At dinner, same thing. And. And it was a constant. And went, boy, Joe, when she get mad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, your mama drank that tangle, Ray. What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got to be different, don't you? Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir. Hey, hey, that tango Ray, that Seagrams. Yeah, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that for them. Hardcore. I mean, you hardcore.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, that would. Hey, hey, that would catch drinking back

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Where I'm from, Joe, that ain't no. That ain't no Belvedere. No. That ain't no Kettle one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, sir.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey. Well, my grandma used to say, man, girl, you need to stop. You drink it like a fish, it's gonna be the death of you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Every time they get into it, you stop drinking like a Fitch, it's gonna be the death of you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Morning, noon, day and night. You always drinking. What you think my mama died of?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Drinking.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

Drinking.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I never. I never. I never. I've never ever touched a drink.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I can see. I can see why, Ocho. And that's good, bro, I'm talking about, man, Listen, I'll be honest. Like, I didn't really have a relationship with my pops till I was 26. I was already five years into the league. He was just getting out of prison. Uncle Ocho, man, we the same. The same thing as a recovering drug and alcoholic, I didn't know the signs of that, you know what I mean? So when he get out of prison, he come live with me here in Atlanta. Yeah. He exposed to any and everything you could think of, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You talk about open up a can of worms. Hey, I had to be the daddy. I'm the one at the. Hey, hey, man, you don't need to go out tonight, bro. You need. Right, right, right. I mean, but he couldn't help himself, bro. He couldn't help himself by any means, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know that Tango Ray and that. That beef eaters Barton's. Hey, and that Bombay Sapphire.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. Guaranteed to get, homeboy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, Shot, man, Bring some of that Bombay Bomber. Sapphire sit you on your ass and.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hold on now. You know? No, she. She like. You think Wiz Cleaver smoke a lot, Joe?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You think Snoop smoke a lot.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Your mom smoke weed?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What air Came Paul on the front

[Frankie Bellamy]

porch, boy, With the white papers now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Already pre rolled.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Damn, man, stop playing. Stop playing with Hurricane man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Ojo ain't. Hey, my mama hit that gas, too, now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mama hit that gas, too. Hey, hey, I used to not.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I used to.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Didn't like to have company. Because as soon as you step, as soon as you knock on our dough, you can smell it, you know what I'm saying? And as a kid, I was like, hell, no, I ain't buying nobody. You know what I mean, y'? All. Yeah, yeah. Mama used to get it in, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Frankie Bellamy]

That was my baby.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Alden Smith dead at the age of 36, man. Make sure you got a loved one. You tell them you love them, man. Asia Wilson led the Aces past the links 197 for the west lead and the Command Commissioner's cup. Excuse me. Asia. 24 points, 10 rebounds to offset a career high 29 points from the Minnesota's rookie Olivia Miles. Asia Wilson tonight, 24 points, 10 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks. She's the only player with 24, 10, 2, 2 and 2 in a game this season. Asia and Chelsea gray each made two free throws in the finals final two free throw shots in the final 20.5 seconds to help Vegas win this six straight game. The top 10 in the east will play the best in the West. On June 30th. Minnesota had won eight in a row. Miles had 12 points in the fourth quarter.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Look, you see Miles, don't you?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, she liked that. But you know what somebody said? I think I read what Ashley, you can get that. Somebody told if they were starting a team, they would start a team with Paige Becker instead of Asia Wilson.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You talk about it. If you. If I'm starting a team in NBA, in WNBA history, I might start with Asia.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now, if you tell me I'm gonna get a. A younger Cynthia Cooper. Matt, we might have an argument, but I'm not in today. Right now. If you say right now I'm gonna start a team. Ain't taking nobody over Asia. Y' all watch,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She'll walk in. Double. Double. And she played both ends of the court.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know. I think my girl Lisa Leslie give a hell, though. I think Lisa give her hell.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She too quick for Lisa.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Lisa was quick, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, that lefty. That lefty. That. Hey. Hey, man, that girl, she bad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

She is.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

She.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Is she tough. She tough. I think that's been. That'll be a hell of a matchup there, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, she. Hey, and then the other night, Chelsea hit. They starting to get back in the rhythm. You see Jackie Young. Jackie Young. Yesterday I had 29. Yeah, and then you had. Chelsea Gray had nine threes the other night. Yeah, Asia's been. The concert.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

34 and 12 we see tonight. She had 24 and twin. I mean, she's just. She's just phenomenal. She just. And she's 30. Let us think if she. If she wins the MVP, Joe, she gonna have five MVPs by the age of 30.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, she can go, though. She can go. She can go. Hey, man, but this Olivia Miles girl.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Oh, nice that's one from Notre Dame, Joe bruh.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, so that she started at Notre Dame. She transferred to tcu. Okay, okay.

[Frankie Bellamy]

With the handle. She got the handles, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. She can do it all.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

She had 29 nights. She cutting up out there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She could do it all. And look, I'm from Georgia, so I know Maya Moore. Maya Moore. I knew Maya Moore when she went to Columbus. She's special. She's special. Now, look, she saw a bigger calling for her. Yeah, that she wanted to help.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She believed. And it's a man get justice.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And she devoted her life to that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But as far as a. I mean, she had a jump shot. That girl was phenomenal. Hey, Joe, you talk about a midi.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nobody touching. Ain't no. Ain't no woman touching her mini.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, she was cold. She. She understood how to get the spots on the floor and raise up and shoot. She understood the game, let alone just. Just. Just her jump shot. Like, she was cold, bro. She had some. She. Hey, I ain't gonna lie. I was selfish. When she retired, I'm like, damn. Like, I, you know,

[Karen & Georgia (My Favorite Murder)]

I turned off news altogether.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I hate to say it, but I

[ISO Joe Johnson]

don't trust much of anything.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

[Karen & Georgia (My Favorite Murder)]

Hi, it's Karen and Georgia from my favorite murder. We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamarr. Want the full Take a listen. She starts dating Howard Hughes, and in fact, she helps him design a faster plane. So she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of what the two would look like as a plane. And that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode, spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy and Lamarr and Billie Jean King. Presented by the Hyundai Ioniq 5. Goodbye.

[Tab Ramos]

This is Tab Ramos from inside American Soccer. And this summer, topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They're not just throwing games on in the background. Topgolf is going all in on soccer. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group. Special in venue activations, exclusive food and drink items inspired by the global game. And at more than 60 locations, they've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net and every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue. So it's a great place to watch with friends, hang out, compete a little bit and enjoy the atmosphere. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer, you can get the topgolf Summer Fun Pass, which lets you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit. Get yours now at topgolf.com/fun pass. Summer hits different at Topgolf I'm no

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

web designer, but WIX Harmony kind of makes me feel like one. It's an AI website builder where I just describe what I want and it builds the entire site for me with all the business tools I need. My favorite part? I get an AI agent named Aria who helps me think things through or get stuff done. WIX has been pioneering website tech for 20 years and they've done it again. Try it for [e-mail] Harmony that's wix.com Harmony

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

hello? Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart Talks with IBM. Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pollard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something, so they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

You've got Ferrari which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit IBM.com ferrari.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Check this out. Joe Kelsey Plum scores A career high 43 points in the Sparks O2 OT win over the Mercury. Plums career high 43 offset Kalea Cooper's career best 41 and made 14 to 26 shots, five three pointers and was 10 of 12 on five, a 10 of 12 from the free throw line and seven assists. Ray Burrell came off the bench and score a career high 24 points for the Los Angeles Sparks and Neca Aguma K actually chipped in with 15 points and 15 rebounds. Damn. 40 points Brunson get 41. Plum get 43. Kalea Cooper gets 41. But it was balls of balling going on tonight.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe the Plum nice though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, man, that lefty, that lefty. She cold. She cold. She got great pace. Understanding how to get to her spots as well. She can shoot it like she understands the game, bro. I enjoy watching her play. I enjoy watching her play in the unrivaled league when she played in the one on one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

She didn't, she didn't win it, but I, I enjoy watching her play.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Look, I see when they, when they, her and Asia then was on the same team, you know?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Think about her. Asia, Jackie Young.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But Chelsea Gray.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All on one team.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you know, sometimes, Joe, she like, I like it. But I really shouldn't be the third or fourth option.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And she ain't lie.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She shouldn't be. She shouldn't. Hey, you got to realize before Clayton Clark, she had the most points for a woman in college in collegiate basketball history.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She was a bucket.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And watched her.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, she was a. But let me say, I say was. That means past tense. She is a bucket.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. She can go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Currently a bucket.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

She can go. She can go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But they put up some, they putting up some numbers tonight.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I like this. And listen, hey, the game, the girls. Game changing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Fellas, I'm, I'm happy for them. I'm happy that they're making millions of dollars a year.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They just, they, they've earned that right. They put their time in. They're playing unbelievable basketball. I like this. I love. Congratulations to them. Obviously there are a lot of people that, that, that, that paid their dues that didn't make a whole lot of money. The Lisa Leslie's and Lauren Jackson and the Cynthia Coopers and the Cheryl Swoops.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And all those that didn't make a whole lot of money. But that's how, that's how it goes as a sport advances. There's. Look, there are guys that, that played before us. Oh, they didn't make a whole lot of money. Yes, sir. I remember guys saying that, man, they used to have to go get jobs in the off season.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yep.

[Frankie Bellamy]

They, they laid the foundation before they laid the foundation.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You're absolutely right. And so congratulations to the WNBA and the women that started starting to finally make a decent, make a decent living and they don't have to go overseas.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They have the unrivaled league that they can make a couple of hundred thousand dollars on top of the Super Max players that's making a million dollars. That's a nice little living. Nice little living.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep. I agree.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now it's time for our final saving the evening. It's time for Q. Hey, Hold on.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I gotta hit 50 push ups, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's wrong with this dude?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know. Before we get to our super chat, we got four video voicemails from our discord. Let's take a listen at the first one. It was up. Nightcap. I told you, boy. Bones, baby. Five barrels. We did it, baby. We did it. I did it. Yo, we did it, Ocho. Tonight be unbearable. Ocho, I want. I want you to talk your crap tonight. I want Joe to be like, oh, you got chill, ojo. You gotta chill. You know ball, baby. You spoke that thing. See the power of the tongue, baby. You spoke it and it came to exist. We chance, baby. Wait.

[Frankie Bellamy]

We remember that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We gonna be in your head, boy. Oh, summer. Bta, baby. Bta. Bta. Yo, no disrespect, Joe. Shout out to Atlanta, man. They.

[Frankie Bellamy]

They were at least a bit dragging in us.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

New York Knicks, baby. 100 blues.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I told you I wasn't gonna gloat.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I told you I wasn't gonna do it. I told you how this series would go. I told you who would win game five. I told you what's gonna happen. And I simply understood the assignment. The assignment was we're gonna go to. We're gonna go to San Antonio. The Puerto Rican Day parade is on Sunday. So we're gonna win. So you have. We won the. We won the. We won the trophy, won the championship. We come on back. We celebrate. Go out there, party.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It is what it is. They're the champs. They earned it. Yep, they did it. Jalen Brunson was sensational. Let's take a listen to our next one.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm swole ISO and King Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ocho believed in us from day one. He's been saying Nick's the whole time. And Joe been hating who's the champions now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe said we wasn't going to win the game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Look at us now. Love Night, Cat.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

See y'.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I know I shouldn't have followed Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Here you go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I said. Hey. I said, Ocho. I said the way the Knicks play right now, they be either they beat Thunder or the Spur. You about. Oh, man. Oh, man. They might not win a game. I know I shouldn't have followed you, Joe.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I told you. I told you. Hey, listen. Hey, hey. Next year when we hit the basketball segments when we hit basketball season. I need y' all to follow behind me. Do you know stand? Joe, you don't understand how many people I made money through these series by listening to me on Nightcap, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. All that. Hey, oh, don't be. Don't. Don't be that guy. Don't be that guy. Okay? Don't be that guy. Don't be that guy. Ocho.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, Congratulations, partner.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Apologize.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, Joe, tell me, you know. Oo. I'm sorry, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on. Oh, come on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Next question.

[Frankie Bellamy]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, let's go to the next one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What up? What up, ISO? Ocho. Hey, man, I got one question for y'.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Is the defense on Jalen Brunson that bad or is he just that good of a shooter? And three words I know UNC is saying in this first quarter. Lord have mercy. Dear Fox. Julian, Shiny. What do you say? You can't accept something in a win that you wouldn't in a loss. Listen, listen. Jalen Brunson is that good, fellas. He is. He is that good. When you talk about being able to create space and keep you off balance, starting, stopping, stopping on the dime, creating different opportunities, nobody's been better than him in that. Especially in the clutch game situations when you know the ball is coming to him and he still delivers. Get that man his props, bro. Bad boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You right, Joe. I ain't gonna hold you on that one. You right. You're absolutely right. It's him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's a special. He's a special player.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And to see a second round draft pick and to see what he's become when getting an opportunity to lead a team, that's what he needed. He wasn't gonna be this. With Luca.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It was a man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If they could have kept him. Yeah, they could have kept him. He wasn't gonna be this.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nope.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because how you gonna have the ball?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Luca gonna have the ball every time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So he needed his own team, and that's okay. Bam.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Ocho, I like. I like the way that sound too, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, let's take a listen,

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

man. I just want to give a shout out to the whole Nightcap family, not just Ank and Ocho and ISO, but everybody involved, you know, from the people who make the wonderful graphics all the time. Y' all really don't use, like, the people who behind the scenes thank the cameras, even the people in the discord. Just the whole community. You know, I'm Grateful. And Nightcap has given us some great laughs. Not just, you know, me, but my wife as well. And I recently had a baby, so postpartum. My wife has been watching Nightcap a lot, and she says that it's been helping her to laugh when, you know, she needs it when she's having a tough time. So she wanted me to put. Leave that message for y'.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All.

[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

So thank you again to the whole Nightcap fam

[ISO Joe Johnson]

already, man.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Thank you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Thank you. You and the wife. Congratulations.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[Frankie Bellamy]

On the little one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Frankie Bellamy]

They do say my grandma always said two is better than one, so I don't know at what point. You know, she's a little healthy, but you get back in there. You get back and have you another one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You hear me already.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You got to knock him out. Knock them out. Back. Back to back, Joe. Back to back. Bang, bang. So I appreciate you watching. I'm glad we can make a difference in. In. In your wife and helping her through tough times with some laughter.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn, man. Said jump right back in there.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You got to get back in. Yeah, we're just having one here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Here's our last one. That was the last one. Okay. When Fox gets the boot, take Mix Johnson, too.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Damn, already.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, they. They ain't gonna do that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got rid of mention. I mean, look there. Look. You know, hey, it'd have been great. I mean, there are not very many coaches that win, you know, basically their first full year of coaching. Because, remember, he took over for Pop.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

After Pop got sick.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, normally you have to go through something before you become a champion. Everybody don't get to be like, Pat Riley take over. And then all of a sudden, they start. They. They win championships. But, hey, Victor win Benyama, Barack Obama, Emperor, new groove was Llama Nixon, five. Hey, Ocho. ISO. Dallas messed up choosing Luca over Jayla.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, you can't. You. You can't necessarily say that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And they would do it again, knowing what they know now. They was there, too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yep. Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Fox and Castle on the trading block. Fox can produce in the clutch. Castle just a defender. Trade them for Greek freak. I would absolutely not do that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hell, no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I would definitely. I would definitely try to. You know, if me and Joe, we've. We've kind of talked about this. Yeah. Castle and Harper needs to be your backcourt.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just going to be hard to. If you're trying to get rid of Fox with. With the salary he's going to be making. And I still Think he. I still think he's a great player, man. I know you made some unfortunate errors throughout this postseason, but I wouldn't just give up on him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You. I can't. Yo, a guy making 50 million, I can't bring him off the bench.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right, Joe. I understand that part. That's why I say either Champen or V, one of them gonna have to

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

go to the bench.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

you extremely small when you play with that, with a lineup like that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, no, Joe was sick. Y' all gave him hell. Spread Lysol using Germic, but. Oh, but ISO been cleared his throat for about two weeks. Damn. Nobody said nothing.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Damn. Joe, where you at?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know what?

[Tab Ramos]

You good?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y' all mention it. I was gonna say nothing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'll see. Here we go, boy. Hey, hey, y'.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Quickly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, y'. All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Quick to jump on somebody's ship, ain't it, man?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah. I ain't Joe. I ain't. No. I ain't gonna say nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let me try to get you, Joe. Let me try to get you, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And they look. Ain't looking for any little thing, any man.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I know. I mean, to Joe, you have something you throw the past two weeks over.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I'm just saying.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I ain't saying it's nothing. I'm just saying, you know, might want to get that chat you've been doing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You've been doing that a lot, don't you? I'm just saying I've been minding my business over here.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah. I don't know what you got stuck in that joke.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wow. This is how y' all acting, too? Wow.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The chat brought it to my attention. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah, I heard. I just ignored it. I ain't really want to, you know, I ain't want to go there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. I don't want to draw no attention to it because that's what, you know, we're in this together. So I ain't gonna draw no attention to it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Fellas.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Chad, I appreciate y', all, but I'm good. I'm good. All right.

[Frankie Bellamy]

You sure?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I need to hit another 50.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This postseason has taught us to never question Ocho's basketball knowledge. Nixon. Fine.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, my God.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho tell. I saw it on this your show tonight. They can't say basket or ball. Ocho gets an honorary Finals mvp. He tried to tell y' all name by studying it. So many rich New Yorkers, they basically went and made it a home game. I think it's great for sports. When New York wins, though. It just draws so much attention.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It is. Did you see all the fans that the Knicks had at that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, man, they tried. They tried to take it out the board. Take it back. They took it back, said, y' all can't do that. If you out of town. You can't buy no tickets.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, did they really cancel people tickets? I saw that. I saw that on Twitter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They were trying to, but they couldn't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Good news. The New York Knicks won the NBA Finals.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Bad news.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

New York Mayor better call the National Guard.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I've been saying that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Boy, seeing how good the Knicks team is, would they have beaten okc? Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, they got okc.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Coaching Fox need to be investigated immediately. Boy, they owe Coach Johnson as much as they own Coach Fox. I mean, dear Fox.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They did. They both told y' all in their press conference. Look, Ms. Johnson said he's supposed to been fired 100 times ago. And.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And 101 might get him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Dr. Frankie Bellamy. When Ocho tell y' all Bears is right. Get your basket.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, man. Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There you go, Doc. Come on, Doc. Come on, Doc.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hey, listen to me now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Women needs to learn to stop pulling up from three like he's Curry. The spurs and Experience stood out big time. It absolutely did.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Especially late game

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Victor women. Yama hakuna matata, dame dollar. I think the spurs can use another physical. Athletic at the 5. Also, Fox should be traded for additional pieces if it can be done. Big body Bronson carried the Knicks on his back. Congratulations to the New York Knicks.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Wemby was extremely disappointing. He needs to tighten his handle, get the moves and get, get, get on the Giannis weight room program. He definitely needs to get on the weight. He definitely needs to get stronger.

[Frankie Bellamy]

If you come back looking like Giannis,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

he ain't gonna be able to do that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He ain't gonna be able to do that. That's not his body structure. Nah, but he needs to control his breathing, Joe. He needs to go to a breathing expert to control his breathing, Right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He gets so hyped. He gets so worked up so early that he goes anaerobic, and then basically he just like spit.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ain't got nothing left in the tank when they come in that fourth quarter. I am. Look, I even thought even when the spurs had a game under control and then late in that third quarter, they should have just left him out the whole third quarter. They brought him in with like two minutes left in the third, but they had a nice little lead. I thought they should have left him out the whole third quarter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The problem is, Joe, is that Cornette didn't give you anything. Because, you know, if you remember when they played the Thunder, they take, they take him out. Cornette could hold his own.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. Cornet won't give him nothing, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nothing. The apologies got to be as loud as the disrespect on Brunson name. I don't think anybody disrespected Brunson. They knew what he was. He's. He was the clutch player of the year. He's been an all star. He's been, he's been, he's been better than advertised. Coming. If the Knicks thought he was going to be, the Knicks would have traded for him years ago.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nobody saw. I thought he could be good because I saw him when, when Luca got hurt, I didn't think it's gonna be this joke. I ain't finna hold you. I ain't think it's gonna be this right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I, I, I ain't either. But I think considering the fact that, you know, in this finals, everybody had talked, you know, they talked pretty rough about Brunson the first three games, fellas, you know what I mean? Saying that he was too ball dominant. They needed to, you know, especially game three and four, they need to go back to Cat. And for him to be able to come through the way he did in his finals and win Finals mvp. I know he feels, you know, he feels great.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Vindicated.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yo, man, he shut up. All the doubters.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Frankie Bellamy]

All the naysayers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

As a native New Yorker, I can honestly say spurs beat themselves. They need a closer on that squad. I mean, Harper needs to start at the point. Both Kurt and Phil Jackson made tough playoff lineup changes to help the team win. Fox crashing cash and superstar checks with role player receipts. You did, you know, remember Steve Kerr inserted Andre Iguodala. Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Pacers coming for them. Fraudulent Knicks. Easiest run in playoff history. Hold this ale. Pacers are going to put an end to the New York nonsense. The Pacers are the Knicks.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Dad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Ocho. ISO teammate. That would have said Darren Fox on the sideline after taking all those terrible threes. He said what he's asking. What would we have said today? Aaron Fox after he kept taking all

[ISO Joe Johnson]

those horrible threes when talking about tonight.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes. Tell them, bro. We don't need that. Yeah, because the thing is, Joe, he was settling. Yo, that joke. Hey, you see that joke how he's, how he's changing starting stop and getting to the easy get. He can get to any point on the court. He won't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I. I feel like sometimes I

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

think guys get lazy and just want to jack up threes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And I, I think due to the, the spurs lack of awareness as far as spacing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It made it hard for a lot of them. Even when Wimby, even when Wemby operates, you know, it made it tough for him at times, you know what I mean? Because they ain't understand the space.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, women needs to develop a post game. He's shooting threes like he's Curry. He does.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that's what I hate is that when guys fall, the guys fall in love with it. Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like Curry can shoot the three, but Curry put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Facts, fact.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He will

[ISO Joe Johnson]

when we gotta learn, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I had money on the Knicks tonight. So did de' Aaron Fox.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

OG now stands for Ocho Gangster. Stop doubting 85. I was in Philly when the Eagles won the Super Bowl. City torn to shreds. I can only imagine what New York City would look like. Grats to the Knicks. Someone check on Stephen A. Oh, we spurs need a veteran like LeBron James to the Spurs. Oh, they if they get a 16 point lead against what? They damn sure he losing that game. Oh, hell no.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah, he gonna slow that game all the way down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh yeah. He gonna control the pace.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Congrats to the Knicks. This series had me stressed. Let me go eat some groceries to calm my nerves.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hello, Hello.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa.

[Frankie Bellamy]

There you go. Hey, hey. I'm glad I could be a good influence on society, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[Frankie Bellamy]

That's. Hey, that's the way to expand your palate, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The man need help. What up big three? Does this confirm Ostradamus has the most elite basketball knowledge. Oo play. Go New York, Go New York Go Song every night on that camp show from here on out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hell no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Have y' all noticed they are probably will be the first team to win the season in season championship and the championship. Yep. The end won the NBA cup.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Okay, see then. Okay, See didn't win it last year when they won. They didn't win the cup. I think they won the cup in the.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, they didn't. Milwaukee did. Because remember Lakers, Milwaukee and now Knicks.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, nightcap fam. Can you wish me and my wife a happy 6th anniversary? I most definitely own them. Rose tonight and salt and pepper. Ocho. Hey, absolutely.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Lester, Happy sixth anniversary to you and your wife. Hopefully you had a great day. Hey, start out great, finish it off even better. You know, hey, do something to something.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Congratulations. And I appreciate the support. Congratulations tonight, Cap. Y' all remember how Mike Brown was like the fifth or sixth coach on the New York that the Knicks interviewed after a few coaches turned the Knicks job down and felt like the Knicks were grabbing at straws with his hire? Yep, I remember that. Yeah. Looks like a no brainer. Yeah, refs look the other way. But it's fine. Wendy won't play a game 6 anyway. Put some respect on the Knicks. Stop making excuses. Go New York. Go New York, go. No excuses. Yep. I mean, you got a 16 point. I mean, when you come back, do you realize that the other team got to do some dumb stuff for you to come back?

[Frankie Bellamy]

Yeah, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The t wol of trading cat to the Knicks was bad on them. But the Mavericks letting Jalen Brunson walk when he was up there with them, trading with them, trading Luca.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Look what y' all want him to do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Bronson wasn't gonna beat this with Luca. Y' all see what think about it. LeBron James, as great as he is, when Luca came, LeBron got out the ball. You think Jalen Brunson gonna have the ball with Luca? Come on, Chat. Braun has had the ball in his hand for 22 and a half season.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And they trade Luca. Trade for Luca and he get off the ball immediately. Brunson is where he's supposed to be.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

CP3 would have been clutch in this series just for the Spurs. Even if, even, even if he doesn't play well, Ocho Joe. Maybe he's just a common boy. Say, guys, this is what we need to do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We took them to the fourth quarter and used endurance. Yep. Took him out to the deepen and

[ISO Joe Johnson]

drowned them every game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Give Ocho credit. He could have been on the glow tonight. Now it's early in the show and I hope I didn't speak too soon. Congrats. Now he didn't glow too bad.

[Frankie Bellamy]

I was nice and relaxed because, I mean, I'm used to winning. I'm used to being right. So I'll just, you know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There he go. You know, we'll see. We'll see if you ride with them them Bingles. Hey, what do you think about LeBron goes to the spurs and wins seven rings?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, he ain't. He ain't going to the spurs, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No. Am I the Only one that thinks ISO sounds exactly like Ice Cube when he speaks. Oh, you on. I mean I saw you on that Cube.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, man, I don't. I don't know what he talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All jokes I took in school and life about the Knicks fan is worth for this moment. NBA champions. I never thought I'd see it. Jalen Brunson and the entire Nick team are legends forever in New York. And they absolutely are.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No question.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let's go NBA champs. Ocho is a fortune teller. Thank you for continue to pick the Knicks with Unc and Ocho with Unc and ISO kept picking with their hearts.

[Frankie Bellamy]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh my God. He was at the bounds. Got to be mad seeing Brunson cat winning a chip now Villanova Knicks first team to get the cup and the chip in the same season.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wow.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

As a short guy who'd been laughed at and looked down on his whole life, I couldn't be more motivated seeing Jalen Brunson success win the both the MV NBA Cup NBA finals in the same year. God bless him. Go New York, go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He was sensational. And they needed, they needed this Jalen Brunson tonight.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jalen Brunson from the previous four games. Joe wouldn't have pulled him through.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This was all. This version of Jalen Brunson was needed tonight. And that's what the grace can do when they need the best version of themselves. They can give you that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And he gave it to you tonight. Congratulations to the New York Knicks. For the first time in 53 years, you are the NBA champion. Jalen Brunson is the finals MVP. Average 32.4 points per game with a bucket. Only two guys in a closed out game to give you 45 as guards. One Jalen Brunson and the other. It's Michael Jordan.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite. And that is my partner and co host. That's Liberty City's own. That's the guy that picked the Knicks to win the NBA finals. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the seven time NBA all star University of Arkansas alum from the Atlanta Hawks. That is ISO, Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys. Thank you as you stayed up with us so many nights before. Thank you for staying up with us one more time. Those looking to purchase a Bottle of Shave by Laportier. Head over to laportiercognac.com to purchase you a bottle if it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. It is a premium VSOP Cognac. The best tasting, smoothest VSOP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it and compare it and you'll see we have the best, smoothest cognac on the market. Please drake responsibly and stay safe. For the first time in 53 years, the Knicks are the NBA champs thanks to a 41 victory over the San Antonio Spurs. Jalen Brunson with the finals MVP unanimously 11 oh. 11 oh left no doubt with that performance tonight. Jalen Brunson joined Michael Jordan as the only guards and since the merger in a 45 point closeout game in the NBA Finals, he was sensational. And the Knicks were great when they needed, when greatness was required. So congratulations to the Knicks, congratulations to Mike Brown, that entire organization and all the fans around the world that support the Knicks. Take a bow. You've earned it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's Ocho, he's ISO. We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for joining us.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Malcolm Glebel / Sean Duffy]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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