Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers & Browns Start Training Camp + LeBron Snubs Cleveland for Philly

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers & Browns Start Training Camp + LeBron Snubs Cleveland for Philly

Date: July 31, 2026
Host: James "Deebo" Harrison
Guest/Co-host: Joe Hayden
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The episode dives into the start of NFL training camps for the Pittsburgh Steelers and Cleveland Browns, the implications of LeBron James signing with the Philadelphia 76ers instead of a return to Cleveland, and in-depth discussions on recent player contracts, team dynamics, and preseason optimism in the NFL.

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, NFL veterans James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Hayden reunite for an energetic conversation about all things football and basketball as summer training resumes. The duo shares updates on their personal lives, reflects on significant team news for the Steelers and Browns, and provides candid, detailed reactions to LeBron James' blockbuster move to Philadelphia. The show mixes playful banter with sharp football analysis, making it a treat for fans of both the NFL and NBA.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Reconnecting After the Offseason

[04:03–08:08]

• Joe shares his offseason activities:
  • Golf trips (Oak Hill, Trout National, Member-Guest events), admitting he’s “gotta get my swings back right” ([07:07]).
  • Body and brain scan, hip check—no surgery yet so he can still attempt his signature windmill dunks (with plenty of jokes from Deebo).
• Deebo counters:
  • Prioritizing bodywork, traveling to LA and Arizona for intensive training, while ribbing Joe about his “janky ass hip”.

“You went just running around gallivanting, not taking care of that old janky ass hip you got.”
— James Deebo Harrison [08:47]

Nostalgia and Banter Over Height & Athleticism

[09:59–11:13]

• Playful back-and-forth on Joe’s actual height (“I told you you wasn’t no 6 foot. And you 5’11.” — Deebo [10:04])
• “Windmill” dunking prowess becomes a running gag.

LeBron James Leaves Cleveland for Philly

[11:35–16:17]

• Joe’s Reaction:
  • Admits to sadness and shock—“I wanted Brian to come back to Cleveland...I was sad, honestly, just because I wanted him to come back” ([12:15]).
  • Discusses the emotional and symbolic meaning of LeBron's return; wanted a “farewell tour” in the Land.
• LeBron’s Decision Analysis:
  • LeBron signs with Philly for the vet minimum; Joe thinks it’s about competing on a “mob” team—“Jaylen Brown, Tyrese Maxey, the rookie VJ, Joel Embiid…that five, that’s an unbelievable five” ([13:34]).
  • Deebo pressures Joe on fandom loyalty—questioning if he’s now a Philly fan and how he’ll navigate his Cleveland connections.

“Who do you want to win? It ain’t no such thing as a win-win situation, Joe.”
— James Deebo Harrison [16:23]

Sports Fandom Loyalty Test: Cavs, Browns & Steelers

[16:18–26:47]

• Deebo puts Joe on the spot: If it’s Cleveland vs. Philly for the championship, who does he root for?
  • Joe waffles, saying he just wants to see good basketball and “the best team win.”
• Deebo draws a hard line: “If there’s no Dick LeBeau, there’s no James Harrison...But if [he] coach[es] against the Pittsburgh Steelers, it’s the Steelers. Period.” ([25:13])
• Joe explains the difference in loyalty because he played football (Browns first) but basketball is different—he roots for LeBron above all.

Steelers Training Camp Updates

[26:50–31:39]

• PUP List News:
  • Joey Porter Jr.’s back flared up; Jalen dealing with a minicamp knee issue.
  • 7th round pick Dante Kent also on the PUP list.
• Major Comeback:
  • Broderick Jones returns after a serious neck injury; being worked into practice with the hope he reclaims a starting role.
  • Joe and Deebo highlight the business realities and mental challenges of returning from injury.

“100 cleared and 100%...it’s two different things.”
— James Deebo Harrison [28:29]

Steelers Practice Format Debate: “No Live Tackling”

[31:40–34:49]

• Discuss Coach Mike McCarthy's decision to avoid live tackling in camp.
  • Both agree that “thud up, hit, wrap, release” maintains safety and skill without the risk of full contact.
  • Joe relates this to his own playing background, appreciating the focus on strategic, safe drills.

Browns Training Camp & Quarterback Situation

[36:31–43:47]

• Browns QBs and rookies reported early—Joe approves: “Quarterbacks, you should not leave...This is why you make $65 million a year” ([37:19]).
• Joe questions whether the Browns have a true franchise QB: “We have a quarterback...making $45 million a year, but we don’t have a franchise quarterback in this building right now” ([42:50]).
• Both discuss the necessity of learning every offensive and defensive concept in the modern game.

New Contracts: Browns’ Secondary Sets the Bar

[44:00–47:20]

• Browns make headlines with new deals for safety Del Pitt and a lucrative extension for Denzel Ward ($62M, $52M guaranteed).
  • Joe is fully supportive: “When Denzel Ward is on the football field, he’s an All-Pro every time...five Pro Bowls, All-Pro three times, and he stays out of the way.” ([46:09])

Coach Prime Visits Browns Camp; QB Competition

[47:47–56:50]

• Deion Sanders (‘Coach Prime’) visits Browns camp, giving advice and input, especially related to his son, Shador Sanders.
• QB Battle:
  • Officially open competition between Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders—Joe believes the best performer will win.
  • Deebo and Joe dissect the coach’s comments and speculate that Shador may win outright, but caution that management might push for the higher-paid Watson.

“If it’s a real competition...there’s gonna be ways when we’re like, somebody’s playing way better...this looks like he's winning outright.”
— Joe Hayden [54:53]

• Preseason Outlook:
  • Likely starter may not be named until after the second preseason game.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You went just running around gallivanting, not taking care of that old janky ass hip you got.”
  — James Deebo Harrison [08:47]
• “I wanted Brian to come back to Cleveland, I initially was just shocked and hurt.”
  — Joe Hayden [12:15]
• “Who do you want to win? It ain’t no such thing as a win-win situation, Joe.”
  — James Deebo Harrison [16:23]
• “100 cleared and 100%...it’s two different things.”
  — James Deebo Harrison [28:29]
• “When Denzel Ward is on the football field, he’s an All-Pro every time.”
  — Joe Hayden [46:09]
• “Quarterbacks, you should not leave...This is why you make $65 million a year.”
  — Joe Hayden [37:19]
• “If it’s a real competition...this looks like he's winning outright.”
  — Joe Hayden [54:53]

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Important Timestamps

• [04:03] Show intro & host Joe Hayden reconnect
• [05:44] Joe admits to “shooting a 95” in golf
• [11:35] Main topic: LeBron snubs Cleveland for Philly
• [13:34] Analysis of LeBron’s new “super team” in Philadelphia
• [16:18] Fandom loyalty debate begins: Cavs vs. Philly; Browns vs. Steelers
• [26:50] Steelers training camp report: PUP list, Broderick Jones returns
• [31:40] Steelers practice policy: no live tackling explained
• [36:31] Browns QBs report early; franchise QB discussion
• [44:00] Browns CB Denzel Ward’s extension explained
• [47:47] Coach Prime’s visit to Browns camp; QB battle with Shador Sanders
• [54:53] Joe predicts Shador will “have to show he’s winning outright” for the starting job

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Recap & Takeaways

• The return of football: Both the Steelers and Browns open camp with optimism, but face roster and injury challenges.
• NBA drama adds to the mix: LeBron’s move to Philly sparks introspection about fandom and the pain of team loyalty.
• Coaching and contracts matter: Detailed discussions on practice philosophy, injury recovery, and front office moves show a veteran's perspective.
• Quarterback uncertainty: Both teams are dealing with major questions at the league’s most important position, especially in Cleveland with Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders competing head-to-head.

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The episode is fast, funny, and filled with authentic veteran perspective—perfect for those who want to stay in touch with the culture and strategy of pro football (and basketball), even during the dog days of summer camp.

Transcript

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[James Deebo Harrison]

of the NBA welcome back to this episode of Deebo and Joe. I'm your host James Deebo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your show. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Ah, I'm doing great, brother.

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Deebo.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing great. I missed you, my brother. Honestly, I did. I did. My brother from another. It's been too long. It's been too long.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Way too long, brother. What, 17th, 17th, 8?

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Something like that? Oh my goodness, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

A lot of days, brother.

[James Deebo Harrison]

A lot of days.

[Joe Hayden]

A lot of days. And I ain't gonna lie. I took advantage of those days, Debo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I took advantage of those days.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, I did. I did a couple of. I golfed. I did some golf trips. I went back out to New York.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

What a surprise.

[Joe Hayden]

New Jersey. I went to Oak Hill. Beautiful course. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You just went golfing?

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's one of the.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, I'm asking. You just said the hell with it. I'm gonna go back to go play on some green grass that you can get in va.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, I'm gonna go play pristine, nice courses that I haven't.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Please tell me it was some charity event to it. Something that was more than you just

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

running around to some other grass.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. Me going to a PGA tour course by my man Ben. That Hosted me and my brother and my boy Sean, my brother Jonathan, my boy Sean. We all went out there and we went and had a great day.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And from there, what was the score?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I. This. I haven't played in a long.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You see, when he starts stuttering, y' all already know it was some trash.

[Joe Hayden]

I shot really bad.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I shot.

[Joe Hayden]

I shot like a. I shot like a 95. I shot like a 95. Okay, 95.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Almost 100. That's good, huh? You shooting 100 that. I don't know how golf work, how

[Joe Hayden]

that work, so I shot. I shot like a. I shot like a fifth. I shot like a 50, 45.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Debo, if you want to shoot 100, that's an A, right? That's a eight. That's. That's a.

[Joe Hayden]

That's terrible. You want to get closer to 72 is the better. So my. I'm normally shoot in the high 80s, you know what I'm saying? Like 86, 43 on the front, 43 on the back. That's normally my score. Like right around 86. That's solid. This one I haven't played in a long time. So we did that. Then from there, Debo went to Jersey, ran back some more golf. Went to Trout National Fire Golf Course. Mike Trout Tiger woods course.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

The Member guest.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I know what you're talking about. I remember that one because I was in the.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I was in the design of that course. I remember that.

[Joe Hayden]

There you go. There you go. Lion. Lion just. There we go. Just like you just lying. Yeah, I'm just, you know, Debo playing the Member. Guess my boy Ross, we came in fourth place, you know, and our.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Obviously you didn't help.

[Joe Hayden]

I did not help. I did not. Ross play so good, but I brought the vibes. I was making sure he was good. We had the Caddy, you know what I'm saying, kicking it. But Ross definitely played way better than me. I gotta get my. I gotta get my swings back, right? I gotta stop often.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You got. You got to get back into the groove of it.

[Joe Hayden]

I got to.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Okay, so.

[Joe Hayden]

And then after that, one more thing. After that, I went and got my brain and body scan. I went and got my hip check. I went and got my hips checked out.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What they find out about that old

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

janky ass hip you got and that hip?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Janky Debo, where you gonna get that done at, bro?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, listen, I ain't gonna get it done yet because they told me once I get it done, I can't play bat, I can't run Full court basketball.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

No more so.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, you gotta have it cut up.

[Joe Hayden]

I got man, listen, I'm have to get some. I'm gonna have to like. I can do some rehab and stuff, but it's not gonna get. I'm not gonna start back doing my crazy windmills and stuff. I don't think so.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, but windmill of what?

[Joe Hayden]

A windmill dunk. I lie used to go. I used to go windmill.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You know you can still windmill. Don't mean you go slamming in a 10 foot basket.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm talking about a 10 foot regulation hoop debo. I was. I can. I could windmill. Not now, not anymore.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

No more.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Look here, man. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, we had a

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

great time at Fan Fest over there. Fanatics Fest. Sorry man, I want to say Fanatics Fest.

[Joe Hayden]

The whole.

[James Deebo Harrison]

The whole thing.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Fanatics Fest. That way everybody know what we're talking about.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But shout out Stephanie McMahon for throwing

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

me up on there. Cam Ward.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Great interview. Appreciate you stopping out for us, boy. Joe. So I went and I did body

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

work as soon as I left, okay. New York. I flew to la, you know, so I could take care of my body. You went just running around gallivanting, not

[James Deebo Harrison]

taking care of that old janky ass hip you got.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I went on here, went straight to la, went to see my guy Jimmy Bluff.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Got body work for about two, three days straight.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. So boom, boom, boom.

[James Deebo Harrison]

About 12 hours of work. Three, six, three. Great, great, great. Went from there straight to AZ. Got to AZ.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Had to see my trainer, Ian Danny

[James Deebo Harrison]

Pep Performance Enhancement Professionals out there in Tempe, Arizona.

[Sean Duffy]

Yep.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You understand? Get some more work in.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Get some more running around your hip, janky and everything else.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You want to play on golf and you. You can't even get your swing right. Like probably because that hit.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna get it right though. I got. I really need to start. Like you saying I gotta start doing the. Like I said, the dry needling, the thorough.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

Gotta start doing it more. Way more often when I stop. That's you know what I'm saying? They like it's.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Listen, it's gonna get back. Joe, Joe, Joe. How do you think this work?

[James Deebo Harrison]

You think you eat healthy for a while, then you ain't gotta eat healthy for a while and you still go stay healthy.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

No, it don't work like that, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

My. My body maintain his maintenance.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

And I'm 5 11. And I found. I was 5 11. I told you 180 pounds.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I told you wasn't. You weren't no, 6 foot. And you 5 11.

[Joe Hayden]

Because when I went to the. When I was in the compound, you

[James Deebo Harrison]

said you six foot. Now you saying you grew, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

You was.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So you was actually five, five, ten something.

[Joe Hayden]

I was five ten and seven eights at the combine, and I was trying to tell you that I grew.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So.

[Joe Hayden]

So I knew I was.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, they just didn't measure it completely

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

straight there because they was like, you know what?

[James Deebo Harrison]

We gonna just give you the average. We're gonna say it's 511 because you was. You was. You was actually 510 and.

[Joe Hayden]

And, and.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And a little bit over half. So he said, I'm gonna just give you 5 11.

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's your doctor?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man, I can't even 5 11.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

15 11, 1 80.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Listen, Joe, I'm just. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to tell you, man. Now, after I got back, I ain't gonna lie, I ain't really do much or nothing there.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I did a little charity event.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I think it was Sunday, so.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Was that.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What's today? Friday. Friday, bruh. 31st of July.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I'm tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So it might have been like a

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

couple days ago, I went and did some. It was at the zoo or something. Presley Ridge, I think they do a lot of things to help families, kids, adoption, all that other st. Was great, great organization.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But let's go on ahead and see what happened with your boy over there.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

And.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Well, I guess. I guess it's Philly. Is it Philly? Where'd your boy Lebron go?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, you know, where Braun went wrong. Went to Philly. So. But this is. Let me break it down to Debo. Can you hear me?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I can hear you.

[Joe Hayden]

This. This is the. This is the. The.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You sound a little echoey, that's all.

[Joe Hayden]

I was sad, honestly, at first. Initial thoughts. I wanted him to come back to Cleveland, obviously. You know, I wanted him to come back to Cleveland because of the. Because of the court size seats and the connection that we have out there. I wanted us to be able to go there and be able to kick it with Braun.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Hold up, hold up.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Who is us?

[Tony Ayo]

I wanted it.

[Joe Hayden]

I wanted it more.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Who was us? Who was us?

[Joe Hayden]

Us is me, you, and the city of Cleveland.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why when I say us. But I wanted Brian to come back to Cleveland, I initially was just shocked and hurt because I'm like, damn, I wanted it for me, selfishly.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie, Joe. I. I looked at your story.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I Think I might. I think it was some tears.

[Joe Hayden]

I was. I was. I was sad. I was sad, honestly, genuinely, just because I wanted him to come back. I knew this was probably going to be his final time to see Braun. Just no matter what anybody says about LeBron, love him or hate him, he's eventually going to leave the league. So he said this is going to be his last decision. This is going to be his last team. I would have hoped to just been able to go to the Cavs games in the land, know how much they love him and having them a chance to win the championship because they do have a mob and he's coming for the low. He wasn't going to have to, like, take no other parts. Now when I see that he signed there for 4 million, for $8 million,

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I'm like, Dude, he signed for vet men.

[Joe Hayden]

Fine, for vet men. So that's when you.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I ain't gonna lie, Joe.

[Bobby from the Bobby Bones Show]

That's why.

[Joe Hayden]

But that's why Debo, this. This move for me is really like. That's why I'm just like. It's. It's whatever Braun wanted to do, I was happy where Brown wanted to go. It's your decision, Brian. You've been playing the league. You've done everybody justice.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So why do you think he went to Philly then?

[Joe Hayden]

Because they got the squad. They have a mob, and it's not like they were already been winning championships. He wasn't have to go to the warriors and playing with Steph Curry, though. They already won some stuff go to San Antonio. Oh, no, they already won. He didn't go back to Miami. I thought that was going to be one that would have been a smooth one with Giannis, the new squad they got. But I think Philly just looking at the roster and then they got Jaylen Brown also just the players. Tyrese Maxey, the rookie vj. Joel Embiid just brought in Jaylen Brown, and then you add in Braun and don't have to take away no pieces. So if you just looking at that mob right there, that, that five, that's an unbelievable five. I don't care what anybody's talking about. The only thing they have to worry about is Joel Embiid's health. You know what I'm saying? So Joel Embiid's health, but with this team, knowing what you got to do, just make it to the playoffs. You have Joel Embiid on a real schedule. Where he's playing, I don't know. His schedule is going to look crazy. He might not be Playing that many games, half the season at max, just making sure that when we get to the playoffs, we get to the end.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

That's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

It sounds crazy, but last season was the first season he didn't have to come off of like a surgery or something. So I'm looking at Philly like they got a stacked mob. Tyrese Maxey is unbelievable. Jaylen Brown additioned to this team like he's one of the top 10 players in the league. And with addition with Bron and knowing that Bron now doesn't have to be going crazy averaging 30, you got so many buckets on your team and now you could just be passing. LeBron always been good at passing. Now Braun spotting up, being able to set people up. It looks crazy.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, hey, listen, let me slow you

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

down a little bit because this podcast right here is going out and people are. Cleveland are seeing this.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Uncle Murder]

And

[James Deebo Harrison]

Dan Gilbert, Daniel, he probably is going to see this.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

And right now, to me, it's sounding like you're a full fledged Philly fan. So when you try and get those court sized seats that you've been getting blessed with, I want you to remember these words you were saying.

[Joe Hayden]

This is. This is what I am making a basketball analysis. I'm still rooting for the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Cleveland Cavaliers are my basketball squad. That's my team. I want them dudes to win the championship. I think they're going to.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I think they're going to meet, hopefully.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So you want Brian to lose?

[Joe Hayden]

If it comes down, I don't want them to have to put me in. If they put me in this situation, that's going to be the tough situation to be in. But I would love to have to be in that situation to figure it out.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It's Philly.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's what you call a win win situation for me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Who do you want to win? It ain't no. Ain't no such thing as a win win situation, Joe. I ask you right now. We got Cleveland Browns and we got the Pittsburgh Steelers going against each other. And whoever win that, go win the Super Bowl. I know who you want to win, who you want to win it.

[Joe Hayden]

It's impossible. Well, the Browns, because they a. We ain't got one.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We need one first.

[Joe Hayden]

Y' all being stingy. Y' all got too no share the. Well, Browns need one before y' all need another one. That's for sure. So I'm definitely gonna go deal with that, Joe. Now, Philly, Cleveland in the Eastern Conference finals the same way the Browns and the Steelers are going to be in the AFC Championship. So if I'm going to watch and both, whoever plays better deserves to. I'm rooting for both. Oh, it's good battle. It's good ball. Good ball. Who's playing good?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, hey, hey, Mr. Mr. Gilbert. Remember, he wants to see whoever plays best win. He don't want to see your Cleveland Cavaliers win that. He says he's from the land of your fans that say your favorite artists

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[Joe Hayden]

When Braun gets out the league. Once Braun leaves the league, we only have Braun for a little bit longer.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You don't want Cleveland to have.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

You want Brian to have it, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Leaves the league. All Cavs. All Cavs.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's the squad you talking about so many. Brown done went to, what, 10 of them? He got three of them for him? Something like that. What are you talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

That's it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Share the wealth. What you talking about, man? Listen, you told me we can't get one because we already got six. You clearly need one before. Before. Before Pittsburgh get another one, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Talking about the Browns. See, now, when you talking about the Cavs, Bron already went and delivered one for the Cavs. So that's why I'm not even.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So why can't they get one without him? You don't want them to. You don't want to see them succeed.

[Joe Hayden]

I do want to.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You see what. You see what it is?

[Joe Hayden]

I was rooting for them versus the Knicks with all I had, and we got swept, and I was still standing out there on my 10. Let's go, Cavs. Let's go, Cavs.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, but again, as I said, Philly, Cleveland. The winner wins a championship. Who you want to win? I just want the best team to win, man. Listen, man, y' all know what Joe is, man.

[Joe Hayden]

For the next two seasons, there's 31 other team name, any other team.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, so here. So you with Braun. Braun, you with Brown. So Philly gonna win a championship, right?

[Joe Hayden]

I did not say that. I'm asking you there.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

You think Philly gonna win the championship?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, they're going to be. They're going to be in the Easter Conference finals for sure.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Crazy, Joe. This is crazy. I ain't never seen. I ain't never seen nothing like this thing in my life. Joe, you supposed to be from the land, the. The city that picks you number one, but you hoping and wishing against and praying against them. You ain't even gotta even.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You can't even stand on two toes and be like, yo, not even two toes, and say, I would like to

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

see Cleveland win against Brian.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Because I'm from the land. I went there, I was part of. That's all me. Mr. Gilbert, he helps me, he gives me. I'm courtside. He don't pick me up and throw me in the back, Ro. But you can't even do that.

[Joe Hayden]

But let me tell you something, Debo. I can't let that sway my visual of what I've been seeing going on the Cavs this off season. We didn't make any changes, and we got swept by the Knicks last year.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I didn't say who could win. I said, who would you want to win, Joe? I would want.

[Joe Hayden]

I would want.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Who would you want to win in that situation? That's what I'm saying, Joe. I can answer every situation. If you put the Pittsburgh Steelers in it, against. I don't care who it is, other than Jesus Christ, I want Pittsburgh's first win.

[Joe Hayden]

What about if? What about if? What about if? Like, what about if Dick LeBeau was coaching the other team?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Coaching the other team? Yes, he was. The Titans.

[Joe Hayden]

All right.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You damn right. The Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. All right.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Love the man to death.

[Joe Hayden]

It's just. I. You know what? It's different because it's basketball, too. I didn't play. I didn't. I didn't play.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Oh, my goodness.

[Joe Hayden]

And it's Braun. It's Braun. It's LeBron. It's my favorite player.

[Tab Ramos]

Sue me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

God, you gonna get sued in a minute. When you go to go over there and get them tickets, you gonna feel like he done sued you when he give you the price that he giving everybody else.

[Joe Hayden]

I got fellow Braun fans like me that know what I'm talking about.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Who in the chat know what Joe talking about? Anybody. Anybody in chat know what you're talking about bro. Nobody.

[Joe Hayden]

They do.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They said X.

[Joe Hayden]

No, they do.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Is Brian, then the land, then Mr. Gilbert.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

That's what they're saying.

[Joe Hayden]

I throw Mr. Gilbert in there like that, man. Don't. Don't do that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You put me. Hey, listen, I'm just. I'm just telling you. That's what they're saying. I'm not saying this. I'm saying what's being said. I'm saying what you're doing. Like they say. I can show you better than I could tell you. You showing me what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

You put me in a sticky situation.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I ain't putting you in a sticky situation, man.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I'm just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm just putting you in like that's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not even sticky. It's not even sticky. It's not even sticking.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It's clean and cut. You asked me about Dick Le Bow, the man I credit for my career. If there's no Dick LeBeau, there's no James Harrison like all that. And if they got Dick LeBeau up against the Pittsburgh Steelers, it's the Pittsburgh Steelers, Joe.

[Tab Ramos]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

I think you feel the same way. Okay. That's why I still. That's why it's me with the Browns. It's gonna be. It's gonna be the Browns. Then

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

what about. What about the Cavs?

[Joe Hayden]

It's just the cat.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

It ain't gonna be the Cabs. Huh?

[Uncle Murder]

You ain't got.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You ain't got that much love for the cast. That's. That's what I understand. No, you don't. You showing me, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You're worried LeBron has a short amount of time still left to play in the league.

[James Deebo Harrison]

LeBron never played 100 years, man.

[Joe Hayden]

The Cavs are going to still be existing way after LeBron James is done. So for him to still be able to play for two more years, I'm going to give him. That's my man. I'm gonna watch him. I'm embracing what he got because the cast. I could be a cast fan. When bronze come and Kyrie's came. We got Donovan Mitchell, we got James Harden.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, listen, listen, listen, listen. I can. I. I can go ahead and root for somebody. I can want to see them do great and do good. I can hope that they do great and do good. They could do great and do good. But I don't want you to do so great and so good that you beat my team. I hear you, Joe. I want to see you shine, but not at the dispense of a loss. I'd rather see Dick LeBeau go out there and shut us out in the kickoff and punt return, give up two touchdowns.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James Deebo Harrison]

But we gotta win, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I got what I. I hear you, I hear you, I hear you. It's just.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah, listen here, man. Let's go on here and talk about this stellar thing, man. We reported the camp over here. What was that on Tuesday?

[James Deebo Harrison]

We got three.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

We got three on the, on the, on the pup list. Little nephew, Joy Porter Jr. He on, he on the public.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, my.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

My man back flared up during conditioning after conditioning. I, Hey, I, I think I know what could solve that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That back flare.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

And Jalen, he. I guess he had a little knee issue from minicamp.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That is.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

That's still going around. And what's that? A seventh round pick. Dante Kent, db. Yeah, that's what it's looking like right now. Listen, man, I don't know. I don't know what's going on.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They said it's a couple weeks on

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Jalen, so I think he'll be all right. They're saying it's not a big deal, just time, but little peasy.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I think, you know, I think that. I think, I think, you know, you help us back out a little bit

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

if, you know, if things was.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Get a little. Get a little better, you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

If you get that, get them numbers right. I'm thinking my man back might start. Start feeling a little better, you know.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And then the big news, though, the

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

great news we got is Broderick Jones is back. So after eight months, eight months after sustaining a shocking season ending neck injury, offensive tackle, Broderick Jones took the field as St. Vincent, many St. Vincent's camp. After that, he was medically cleared for practice. I guess right now they're working him and with the twos at the

[James Deebo Harrison]

left

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

and right tackle, I guess from the last two practices that we had. And they see him hopefully being able to get back to a starter level. Joe, that is a great thing. But 100 cleared and 100. It's two different things. Will you.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, it's great news, you know, Great news because you never know. Like when we said, when you talked about the neck and, and I saw though Samuel, our corner, our corner.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Sante.

[Joe Hayden]

Sante Samuel Jr. He had the same surgery and they had the same agent. So we ended up meeting with him. And Sante Samuel Jr. Is out there flying around, you know what I'm saying?

[Tony Ayo]

Looking good.

[Joe Hayden]

So it's just giving me hope that, you know, Broderick, he's Trying. And what I realized and what I loved about his interview though, Debo is he understands the realization of the business of the game, understands that there's a reason why, like it was. He was in it with Danny, with Dan Moore, you know what I'm saying? Like, just being able to see the league for what it is, knowing, like they're not just throwing you out, but you got to show, you know what I'm saying? Because anybody can get hurt at any minute. And so I'm just loving that he's being able to be back out there. He's accepted to the fact that like, he's not taking any hard feelings. Like, oh, no, like, why would they not accept my 5th year option? It's a business. He understands he got hurt. There's a lot of this big investment in there, so you just got to be able to go out there and improve that. You can still be able to play at a starting caliber. So I think his mindset, just him trying to. Knowing that I got to get him being 300 pounds, he says he got to put up a couple more, 15 more pounds because he wasn't able to do anything for like three months. So just his mindset, his mental, him understanding what's going on, the depth of the line, us being able to have linemen because people are going to get hurt. It's a very long season. So being able to know, like him being able to get max reps, being able to get other guys reps in different positions and. And just as chugging along, just knowing that he has that mindset where he knows that he wants to go out there, he knows that he can start. McCarthy spoke on him like he's a starting caliber dude, but just knowing that I'm happy that he's getting cleared, he's able to get onto the field. So we just going to be able to watch his progressions as he goes, right?

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah, they're going to, you know, obviously working back into it slow so he don't get no setbacks. That's the whole reason, you know, they have a little bit of a rotation going there also, as we talked about, I'm trying not to ehana Shore. That's it, as I say, right? Maxi, Hannah Shore. They actually started to work him in with some of the first team, so he's getting some first team reps in there too. And then basically the, you know, the opening lineup for the offense was what it was, you know, through OTAs and minicamp. I think it's Troy and it's Isaac Zach, Mason and Cook on the other side.

[Joe Hayden]

So.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah, I don't. I'm trying to tell you, man. I think. I think we're gonna be good. I'm feeling real good. As long as he's able to work back, you know, and. And it's no setbacks, you know, I feel like. I feel like we're gonna be real good. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We'll see.

[Tony Ayo]

We'll see.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

We'll see. Another big thing I think people are talking about is, I guess Mike McCarthy said it would be no live tackling. Like, they saying, like, no tackling.

[Joe Hayden]

Like.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

And, like, listen, what y' all gotta understand is you don't actually need to tackle somebody to the ground. When you say live, that means I'm. I'm racking you down to the ground, and we going full go. What we do a lot is thud, up, hit, rap, release. So you break down, you hit, you wrap, you release, and you let them continue to run. You're just not taking people to the ground. They not actually not go do any, like, tackling of any sort. That just don't make no sense. Like, Joe, what.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What did you take from.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Because they're like, yo, they're not tackling.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's a lot of it. Like you said, too. It's the safety. They're not going to be doing the tackling to the ground because a lot of that. When we would do tackling to the ground, it was the nine on sevens. It's inside. People are rolling up on each other every single time it happens. So when you get into the position where it's just now thudding up, getting yourself into that position, basically, if you don't, you. You have to stop that man's forward momentum. You have to be able to put pads on pads. So there's like, you're not just diving around on people's legs and trying to do that. So I think thud up and doing thud drills is the same thing as making sure that you can get into that position, making sure you actually put them, making sure you stop their forward progress, and then you letting them go for pursuit and all of that. So most of the time when we're saying people are doing live tackling, it's not for that long of the practice. It's a period, right? And dudes are getting hurt, three, four dudes in those seven plays. So it's like, how about we just really just throw people up, get into the right positions? Because sometimes it's not helping Us as. More than it's hurting us.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah. I think.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I think thudding up actually gets you

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

in a better position to be able to make more secure and tackles, because now you have to get in there, you have to bend down, you have to put your head exactly where it should be and hit and wrap. It's no longer. Let me get there and dive at it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No. Like, I got to be ready to

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

put that force into him so I can stop his momentum and.

[Uncle Murder]

And.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

And drive him back and then wrap up so I can secure it so he can't spin out of that tackle. So, yeah, I'm.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I don't trip on.

[Joe Hayden]

That was harder for the dbs because I'm like. When I see him right there, that's. This is what. This one. I go do my part. Why I go shoot his legs out and wrap them up. Now they like, no, Joe, you got to square them up.

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[Joe Hayden]

And I'm getting embraced. I'm like, okay, boom. I got him. So you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

So it's.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to get yourself in that position for sure.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah, definitely. I guess they went at Aaron Rodgers again, asking him. I guess he dismissed any idea that he might decide to come back for another season. He said, no. Zero debate zero. He said, I thought last year might be it. And then Mike got hired, talked to my wife, and she said, you can do another year. I said, well, we'll see if it works out. And then it kind of all came together. DK was up before him, though, and DK was like, you know what? It's early in the year, you know, it's too early to make a decision. You know, he might not even get. He was like, he might not even get banged.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, he said. He said he might not even get a hit or touched.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Like, you know, like, he might not get. No, that ain't gonna happen.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, bruh.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Like, he might not even get hit or touched. Come on, dk, man, stop that, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I'm loving. Hey, I'm loving what a Rod's saying. No. No point for debate this year. He was already kind of trying to figure out if he wanted to stay open. So it's final swan song. You got your coach out here, you got your receivers, y' all running back, you and DK fresh. You know what I'm saying? Last year was quick. You didn't really know each other. Get to know each other really well, and now let's.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah, they rooming together again.

[Joe Hayden]

They Said, yep, let's go, let's go. And I'm a rod for sure because there's all of that off season stuff where you can do what you want to do, but it gets annoying to where everybody like, what's a rod going to do? He's going to come back, he's going to stay, he's going to go, he's going to come. Is it going to be. You have your time. As soon as the season ends, you get to chill. You get your time to be able to make those decisions. But knowing now, like soon as the season's over, guys like all of that, that's a lot of noise. And he was doing it for the last two years. So I can only imagine just people constantly being on your head and then just being able to be like, this is my final season. I'm about to go give him all. I'm ready for it.

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[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah. I like it. Like, dude, I'm trying to tell you, man, listen, we're worst case. Worst case for me. 134 this case for me, Joe. 13 worst case.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not mad at the debo just because everybody's sleeping on the Steelers. For real.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Go ahead, y'.

[Tony Ayo]

All.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

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[James Deebo Harrison]

Sleep slumber slump Sleep like Sleeping Beauty

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

did Prince ain't nowhere in sight. I'm just trying to tell you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. I'm a car to running practices.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

No a no question. Let's the man. Let's go on up over here to your. Let's go up north a little bit, man. Over here to Cleveland, man. I guess y'.

[Tab Ramos]

All.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Y' all actually y' all quarterbacks and y' all rookies reported on the 23rd.

[Tab Ramos]

Yep.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

And then y' all vets reported Tuesday, so it wasn't even like a full team practice till Wednesday.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like, like, why you got your quarterbacks

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

up there reporting like six days early?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like, Joe, what's.

[Joe Hayden]

What's going on? Like, why that is the most important position on the team. And we had some young quarterbacks and we got a quarterback that's coming off some injuries and has some stuff to prove by making the with the big contract and they're trying to put their best foot forward. I love it. Get in there. Quarterbacks. You should not leave. That's why you make $65 million a year. This is not a on season, off season job. I'm loving.

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[Joe Hayden]

My jobs and be throwing blitzes and all of that stuff but as a corner, I got steel cup of three. There's going to be somebody replacing my job unless I blitz. There's only certain things that can happen. So then I start studying offense route concepts and that's you become so much smarter. And that's why older quarterbacks, they don't have to be fast. You just got to know what you got to know what's going on. Like you walking out there, you're processing information and that's how when corners get better, you don't the defenses don't change. They're not going to invent new like really new plays. Seven routes, post routes, slant routes, fade routes. All of the routes are the same routes. The route tree has been the route tree. So once you start learning the game and you start learning what you got to do as a quarterback, you got to learn what the offensive lineman, the receivers, the running backs learn what the defense is doing. Why are they doing this? You start getting more comfortable and the more comfortable you get, the Slow, they say, oh, the game started slowing down for me around year three. Game start slowing down for me around year four. The quicker you can learn what's going on and you got your job under control. I know what I'm doing. I know what checks I got to make. Then you start going against the defense. Then you start making them. You start manipulating people to go to where you want them to go. So with the quarterbacks coming in, they're young, they have stuff to prove. Todd Monkett is like this, y'.

[Uncle Murder]

All.

[Joe Hayden]

We don't have a. We have a quarterback in on the team that's making $45 million a year, but we don't have a franchise quarterback in this building right now that I feel like that can prove it. Something Knows what he got going on. Everything is. Everybody in here can be taught. You know what I'm saying? Don't think you're too smart and you know too much. No, no.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I mean, I was under the assumption he believed he had a possible two franchise, but that's.

[Joe Hayden]

Look this. He's a possible two franchise, but haven't played like it in the last three years. Haven't put it on tape last season. Like, you coming in off of a. Oh, all Pro Pro bowl, like offensive player of the year season. Like. No, no, no. There's none of that. All y' all got to come in here and can't. You can't know something yet because what I've seen last year, what I've been looking at ain't gonna get the job done. You know what I'm saying? So come in here six days early with the rookies and go through and watch. Let's get this install. And when we. When the rest of the team come, we're gonna redo the install. Quarterback. Now, y' all just know. Y' all are learning it.

[Podcast Announcer]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not learning it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You're giving my extra six days.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I understand what you're saying, Joe. To do some more evaluation.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So you try to blow up my poison. That's what I'm saying. We need that.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I understand, Joe.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I understand. You know, I just got to give you hell.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

You know, I just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's just.

[Joe Hayden]

That's just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's just what I do, you know,

[Joe Hayden]

I'm saying I gotta do a little

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

something here and there. And it looked like y' all pup list it. Damn. You ain't got no pup.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Everybody out there. Everybody out there.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Now that go, huh? Was out there because you know, because. You know why? Because you know why why is that, Joe? Because them boys out there paying folks, huh? Like that, that, that. Not yet, y'.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

All. I ain't gonna lie.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Y' all trying to make it tough. You know, y' all trying to make it tough on us. Y' all ain't have to do that. First off, I Gave Dale pick three year, 48 million with 36 guaranteed. Okay? And then right before y' all gave him that, y' all ended up giving Denzel award. This the problem. You gave that man two year extension for 62.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

52 guaranteed?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Deservingly. So we doing the right thing. We're trying to build. We got rid of.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

He damn near 40, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

He's not. Denzel Ward is 29 years old. He's 29 years old, has only played eight years in the league. He's basically signed that two year extension. Denzel Ward has done what I call a masterclass. Only thing that they could give a knock about Denzel Ward is his injuries. He's had some concussions, he has some soft tissues. And then during COVID he had four games that he missed for Covid. But when Denzel Ward is on the football field, he's a all pro every time. His technique, his tackling, his smarts, his ball skills. So he's been doing nothing. And you know what Denzel Ward does? He stays out the way. You don't hear anything about Denzel Ward besides him coming to work and doing his job. Only thing is that he might be a little injury prone, but that's. You can't. Some of the stuff you can't help. He had a couple of concussions and a couple of soft tissues. But when I look at Denzel, you

[James Deebo Harrison]

can help a concussion get your neck strong man.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, I hear you, but he got.

[Uncle Murder]

He's.

[Joe Hayden]

He's been out there for eight seasons. He's had five Pro Bowls. He's been all Pro three times, and he's been nothing. But he stays out the way. So he's balling, he's staying out the way. And this is what you do. He signed a five year, $100 million contract. He's been outplaying that contract. So diva, when he gives them. When he gives them this extension, he has two years left on his deal. This is just adding two more years. So now they got Denzel for a four year, $94 million that's averaging out for the next four years at $23 million for him. And the team looks good because he gets a raise. But now they get. He Gets two more years of guaranteed money. He had no more guaranteed money on his last contract, and it's a bump up for him and the team's good. And he gets two more years guaranteed. And then if he has two more years of non guaranteed money, making around $22 million a year. So it works out for Denzel, it works out for the Browns. You keep a amazing player that's still playing at a high level with just a two year extension. So they gonna have him until he's 33 years old. And I'm loving it for the Browns. They did it the right way. Denzel did it the right way. And he's from. Straight from. When I left there, they drafted Denzel Ward and he done took it and ran with it.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah, you're making it tough on us over here, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on. That's smart. That was smart, man.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Had two more years left. Y' all could have waited till next year to do that.

[Joe Hayden]

They just did. They did, right?

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah, you could.

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[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

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[Joe Hayden]

All. Miles got up out of there and they. And then. So they left some. There was still money.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

They had some bread left on the table now, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Take care of the guys.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Y' all had a visitor, though. Coach Prime.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Hey, Coach prime came up, brother, I guess he was up there yesterday and he was talking to

[James Deebo Harrison]

the coach.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

He gave him some insight, they said, you know, gave him some. Gave him some insight. Here's the crazy thing, man. You. You, guy. Todd Monkey, when they asked him, he was like, it was really cool. Deion Sanders, Are you kidding me?

[Joe Hayden]

Forget that he's just Dora's dad.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I mean, first of all, he did an unbelievable job with Shadora. Great kid and obviously an elite football player. Hell, baseball player. And then as a coach, I mean, wow. Everything that he's achieved, that's.

[Joe Hayden]

That.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

That was awesome. Then he went on to say he gave him a little bit of insight, but we were up against it. The general manager, Andrew Barry, was next. Was next. So I had to give him up to Andrew. So there was some back and forth. Has to be in about Shador in terms of how he processes personal wise and I think competitive wise. He got. He got into it at the end in terms of what makes him tick, which was good. It was. It was all good. But we've seen most of that. Most of what he said, we've been able to see now we're. Now we haven't gotten to the games yet. That's a different animal.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But at this point, what he talked

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

about, I would have said no. That's how we've seen it. That sound like to me.

[Joe Hayden]

What sound like to you, Debo?

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

It sounds like starting quarterback.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just saying that's what that sounds like.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey. It sounds like those starting calling back.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

But I ain't gonna that again.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's, you know, you know me. That's just me.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

That's just me because I, you know, I do what I do. But when they asked him about the, you know, the quarterback competition, he said, this right here, we got. We got it right here.

[Uncle Murder]

Yeah, nothing's really changed. We anticipate alternating. First of all, four quarterbacks are going to compete. They all won't get equal reps. Obvious will alternate just like we did in the spring. Deshawn and Shador with the ones. The easiest way for me to say that, and it still won't stop you from asking, not you particularly, but everybody in general is the first game. We're going to have to have a start of the first game. Right? I mean, ultimately, I'm not going to decide who the starter is. They decide by their play. Their play decides who the starter is. I don't. I don't have any preconceived notions of how they played in the past or how they're going to play. I only can with my eyes judge and. And guys got to play well around them. I think we've shored up some things up front. We've added some weapons on the perimeter, so I think that's going to help. But they'll decide who plays. I, I don't decide who plays. The players decide who plays.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Joe.

[Tab Ramos]

Yo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Would you. What you. What you.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

What you take from that? You know me, I like to read in between lines. You know, I don't even.

[Joe Hayden]

I just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I like to read the lines.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I just read the lines there like that was just. That was the lines. That was what he said out of his mouth. So I'm just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Where,

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

where do you see? Who do you see being the starting quarterback? I'm just going off of.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't even know what happened. I know they was keeping the tracker going or who was throwing picks, who was throwing, who was making completions. And your boy was leading in the pick category. Shador was leading in the completion category

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

and in the touchdown category. So I'm just trying to figure out where you see, where you at with this.

[Joe Hayden]

First and foremost, the first thing was when Deion Sanders arrived. I respect and love that Todd Monken is Acting like a human being like that is Deion Sanders, you know what I'm saying, is respecting his career. That is the father of Shador, you know what I'm saying? Just not trying to act like being submissive of Deion, because that's when people like you don't have to be all impressed. But at the same time, Deion Sanders was a coach. He did coach his son. He did coach, is a Hall of Fame football player in the NFL and then was the coach of his son in college football and did good at Colorado. So just from the respect factor, I just love the way that he was being a human being. It was like, damn, that is Deion Sanders. Secondly, when he talks about both of them are going to be getting reps, I think that Shador Sanders is going to probably win the job through this, through. Through. Through training camp. I think that Todd Monkin is being honest where this is the thing. If it was up to the coach, then he. I think he wants to put the best player out there to play. If this is it going to be someone that goes over his head, is ownership going to step in and say, hey, look, we're paying this man this money, and I think that he should be the first one to go out there. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? So if it's Todd Monkey saying this from a legitimate space where, boom, best player is going to best, best quarterback is going to take the job, we're going to have them equal reps. We're going to see what desean looks like. We're going to see what. We're going to see what Shador looks like. We're going to go into preseason and these reps are legitimately going to be what makes it happen. Does he throw picks? Is he looking people off? Does he know how to run the offense? Who's making. Who's making our offense look like it's a professional offense? So I think that Shador is going to win the job, but I don't know if there's going to be the powers that be that might step in and be like, look, he's getting that bread. We're still paying him, so I would want him to start.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

So if it's close, who do you think starts?

[Joe Hayden]

If it's close, I. I would want. I would want shador.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I got 61, half a dozen. The other.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Who.

[Joe Hayden]

Who.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

That's what they looking at, like, ah, I don't think it's gonna be close like that. Just from how it Started off training camp.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't think it's gonna be close.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think it's gonna be cold. But if it's close for me, I'm sure though I just got to go with Shadow. He's younger, he's. He gonna have more time to improve and, and learn. Learn through the process. But I'm just saying, just from how complimentary he was of Coach Prime, I'm just like, yo, I just feel like, hey, we can't, we can't go no other way. The pedigree tell me I gotta go that way. But just, you know, just, just from the conversation, Joe, I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

I think that when Tom Monkey says that, I mean definitely him respecting Coach prime, but it's going to be on the football field. I'm not. I think that Shador, if it's by. If it's a real competition and the coaches know and the players know, they're going to see there's going to be ways when we like this now somebody's playing. He's playing better than the other quarterback. This like we say, even I don't know where they give. I think somebody's gonna, I think Shabir is gonna have to show that he's looks winning outright.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Outright. I would.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

All right. That's a big word.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

All right. It's like, okay. I could look and just say, all right, it's done.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like right now, just looking at what

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I was seeing from how they were

[James Deebo Harrison]

tracking all this stuff. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

It ain't.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

It's a no brainer. Like right now, like the first few days of practice is a no brainer. Unless, you know, and unless he just, you know, he got, he got. Unless Watson got to warm up for the first couple days and then, you know, he come through. But that, that ain't what his number's been showing.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Dang.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

What he's been showing the last. Whatever time it was that he was healthy before he ended up getting hurt. But like he said, he gonna let the preseason.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Maybe he get into the. What if he gets to the game

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

and just strike out? He just like go crazy

[James Deebo Harrison]

getting the game and he, you know, he played

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

good, but why he getting there and he, he just go crazy. What would you. What you gonna do then?

[James Deebo Harrison]

You only got three preseason games now, remember, he strike out on the first two.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

You know, you ain't gonna play your starter.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Whoever go, whoever you're looking at starting for.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

For the third game because you worried

[James Deebo Harrison]

about him getting hurt.

[Joe Hayden]

It's. It's it's gonna be more than these games too, Debo. I'm telling you, leading up to, you know, a training game, when it's going ones versus ones, twos, situational footballs, like when we got a two minute drills, like all of this practice, real practice reps, and when we leave that practice field in the training camp and you go to that meeting room and you're watching the tape, there's going to be real. What are you looking at here? Where are these balls going? So I think that there's going to be. The coaches are legitimately like watching these tapes, watching all these seven on sevens, watching all of these one on ones, watching all the throws, watching the way that they manage the offense, watching the way they get in and out of the huddle, of just being like, how is this going to look? So I think if they're in a real competition, it's going to be coaches putting them in that film that we're not in. We're going to see the preseason. When they get to the preseason games, it's going to be like, all right, show us what you got. But I think the coach is going to have a decision, you know what I'm saying? By second, third week, by second week of training camp, by what does this dude look like? That's going to be 14 practices.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

Dude. I know he said going into the first preseason game he's going to have to name a starter. And I'm assuming he's saying that that will be his starter for the start of camp or whatever it's going to be. Obviously. I would think so, but I don't think he gonna have one. I think he gonna be like, well, we're gonna start this person this game and see how it goes and then we're gonna start.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no, no, he's not going like that.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I'm trying to tell you, man. I really feel like that's what it's gonna be, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not going like that.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I'm just, I'm just telling you, man, I, I got, I got an itch, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I got an itch.

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

I feel like, I feel like that's, that's this.

[Joe Hayden]

That's just because I feel like. Debo, once you get the quarterback, the starting job, how many games it's going to be, what, like at least four, like five games minimum. And if you pull them after five and go for another quarterback, you can't put.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm saying the first preseason game, I

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

don't think that starting quarterback is going to be a starting quarterback. I think they're going to. I think it's going to be he's going to start this one and then so and so. Oh yeah, and then he'll start the next one and then so and so will rotate in.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't think they go pick one

[Co-host (possibly Joe's co-host or analyst)]

until after the second game. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Hayden]

I could feel that.

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