Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Coach Prime takes heat, Jalen Hurts Not At AJ Brown's Wedding, 2030 SB in Nashville

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe – Part 2

Release Date: May 19, 2026
Featured Guests: Debo (James Harrison) & Joe (Joe Haden)
Host: Shannon Sharpe (absent in this episode; Debo & Joe hold the discussion)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay, hosted by former NFL stars Debo (James Harrison) and Joe (Joe Haden), dives into a mix of NFL current events, behind-the-scenes dynamics, and playful banter. Major topics covered include recent drama around Coach Prime (Deion Sanders), rumors about Jalen Hurts missing A.J. Brown's wedding, the 2030 Super Bowl’s Nashville announcement, the Urban Meyer lawsuit, stadium surfaces, NFL height debates, and family anecdotes. The episode is full of candid player perspectives, locker-room storytelling, and a hefty dose of humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. The Coach Prime Controversy & Motives Behind Comments

[02:56–05:47]

• Main Topic: Debo and Joe analyze a cryptic comment about Deion Sanders (Coach Prime) regarding his involvement as a father in his son’s career.
• Debo dissects the phrase "leave well enough alone," questioning its true implication:

  “When you say, you know better off if his father, Dion, leaves well enough alone. What's well enough alone? What are you saying? ...Makes me think you might know something. What is he getting at?” – Debo [02:56]

• Joe floats the alternative that perhaps overinvolvement can hurt opportunities, but Debo insists on reading between the lines.
• Debo likens the phrase to warnings in real-life high-stakes scenarios, emphasizing overthinking as a virtue:

  “I'm an overthinker sometimes, too...I thought about everything that you thinking about, and then I thought about the response to the response that you was thinking.” – Debo [04:43]

2. Jalen Hurts Skipping A.J. Brown's Wedding – Media Overreaction or Real Beef?

[06:13–10:13]

• Main Topic: The sports world speculates why Philly QB Jalen Hurts missed wide receiver A.J. Brown’s wedding.
• Joe dismisses the drama:

  “Nothing. It's got everybody, bad schedules are crazy...I don't think it's nothing. I'm not diving into it because I really think that's A.J. Brown's day.” – Joe [06:41, 07:15]

• Debo pushes back with the reality of NFL brotherhood: "One day. One day, Joe. You can't make it one day for your—we done won a Super Bowl together?" [07:30]
• Both agree sending a gift is enough if you skip the wedding. Debo shares he only went to Ben’s wedding because it was local, otherwise:

  “I am not traveling nowhere to go to a wedding...I ain’t showing up.” – Debo [08:21]

• The consensus: professional athletes commonly skip teammates’ weddings—no drama required.

3. Urban Meyer Lawsuit & NFL Off-Field Issues

[13:15–23:37]

• Main Topic: Reaction to former Jaguars coach Urban Meyer losing his $30M grievance after being fired for cause (off-field issues, notably allegedly kicking a player).
• Debo reads details and questions why kicker Josh Lambo dropped the team suit but kept pursuing Meyer individually:

  “Why you go drop the charges against the bigger conglomerate...that sounds fishy to me.” – Debo [16:16]

• Debo speculates on possible behind-the-scenes settlements and "hush money."
• Joe, who played for Meyer at Florida, gives cautious loyalty but doesn’t absolve him:

  “I ain't never seen him kick nobody...he had a real good...aggressive coaching style, but he never touched nobody.” – Joe [18:13, 19:14]

• They discuss how aggressive coaching can get physical, the consequences (“that’s like...assault” – Debo [21:04]), and debate the underlying psychology of such incidents.

4. Nashville to Host 2030 Super Bowl – Stadium & CBA Implications

[24:26–32:18]

• Main Topic: The NFL’s likely announcement that Nashville will get the 2030 Super Bowl in the new Titans stadium.
• Excitement about the city and new stadiums fueling Super Bowl bids:

  “That’s what I’m telling you. That’s why these teams making that new stadium is incentivizing — cause the Super Bowl gonna come to your spot.” – Joe [25:26]

• Debate on grass vs. turf continues:

  “They gotta be great. Billion dollars...Like, y’all make enough money, bro. It ain’t about the money...” – Debo [30:56, 31:03]

• 2030 Super Bowl will mark the end of the current CBA, leading to discussions about rising salary caps and NFL finances.

5. Height Wars – Classic Athlete Banter

[32:18–45:00]

• Main Topic: Who’s taller—Debo or Joe?
• Light-hearted trash talk:

  “I’m six foot in everywhere. I’m six foot on the earth, period, man.” – Debo [37:17]
  “You’re lying.” – Joe [36:37]
  “Your arms are bigger than mine. And I’m taller than you, Joe.” – Joe [38:00]

• Involve their own kids in height contests; discuss if aging makes you shorter.
• Debo’s defense: regular measurements against the basement wall:

  “Do you want me to show you the marks in the basement? ... where we mark a line across your head right here?” – Debo [44:52]

• Chat (livestream audience) joins in, fact-checking and poking fun at both.

6. Side Story: They're (Mostly) Not Wedding Guys

[08:21–10:13]

• Debo:

  “Don’t even invite me, man...Just let me know what you need on the registry, man. Don't even waste the money..."

• Joe agrees about the RSVP game, saying respect the invite, send a gift, and move on.

7. NFL Draft & Super Bowl Locations – Minneapolis Announced

[48:40–49:36]

• NFL draft heading to Minneapolis in 2028; both reminisce about how cold it gets.
• Praise for the indoors Mall of America, which connects to hotels and stadiums—important in frigid cities.

8. Outro: NBA Playoffs Fandom & More Banter

[52:25–54:28]

• Quick shift to NBA: Debo will watch the Cavs (Cleveland) vs. Knicks; supports Steelers over the Cavs.
• Joe gives a heartfelt (and clowning) rally for the Cavaliers:

  “Cleveland Cavaliers...Do this for the city. Do this for the land...Mitchell, you made it now to the Eastern Conference finals...” – Joe [52:43]

• Playful closing:

  “Here we go, Steelers. I don’t care about the Cavs.” – Debo [54:28]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Words mean things, Joe." – Debo [02:56]
• "I thought about everything that you thinking about, and then I thought about the response to the response that you was thinking." – Debo [04:43]
• "I ain’t showing up—if I even got a workout that I'ma miss...I'm sorry, bro. It’s your day…Me being there is not going to affect you in any way." – Debo [08:21]
• "That sounds fishy to me...I'm alleging that things could possibly happen...maybe the Jaguars got a hold of Lambo and said, ‘Hey, look here, you drop this on us, we slide you maybe, oh, maybe three, four, nearly…’” – Debo [16:16]
• "You can't put your feet on somebody, dude. You can't do that...Spitting is the worst. You should be able to kill somebody for spitting on you." – Debo [20:44, 21:04]
• "[Nashville]...they gotta be great. Billion dollars...Like, y'all make enough money, bro...Take care of your people...I keep the product." – Debo [30:56, 31:03]
• “You know as you start getting older...you’re 5’11. I’m giving you 5’11 right now.” – Joe [36:42]
• “I was six foot in the eighth grade, and I get no taller from there—it was over with.” – Debo [45:34]
• “Let me tell you something. My little son Joey...he's nine. And this little man is four foot ten." – Joe [47:32]
• “Debo. Give me a...Let's go, Cavs."
  "Here we go, Steelers. I don't care about the Cavs." – Joe & Debo [54:28]

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Tone & Personality

• Natural locker room energy, candid and unfiltered.
• Debo is analytical, questioning, sometimes conspiratorial. Joe is quick-witted and balances skepticism with loyalty.
• Tons of playful trash talk, athlete-to-athlete "who's bigger/tougher/taller" energy.
• Accessibility abounds: they answer to the audience chat, give family anecdotes, and reflect a genuine friendship.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Coach Prime discussion: [02:56–05:47]
• Jalen Hurts/A.J. Brown wedding talk: [06:13–10:13]
• Urban Meyer/Jags Lawsuit: [13:15–23:37]
• Nashville Super Bowl news, stadium debates, CBA: [24:26–32:18]
• Height & measurement banter: [32:18–45:00]
• NFL Draft in Minneapolis, Super Bowl memories: [48:40–49:36]
• NBA Playoff trash talk, finale: [52:25–54:28]

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Summary

For listeners who appreciate the blend of insider NFL news, honest takes, real-life anecdotes, and authentic camaraderie, this episode delivers in spades. Instead of clickbait drama, Debo and Joe offer player realities: skepticism of media narratives (Jalen Hurts/A.J. Brown), a critical look at NFL business (Urban Meyer saga), excitement for league growth (Nashville Super Bowl), and personality-filled storytelling (height debates, wedding etiquette, family). If you want to know how pro athletes actually talk about the games—and each other—behind the scenes, don't miss this episode.

Transcript

[Joe]

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[Debo]

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

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[Debo]

Yeah, I'm just, you know, like I said, I'm. I was just reading into the statement. You know what I'm saying? When you read and people say things, words mean things, Joe. And, you know, when you say, you know better off if his father, Dion, leaves well enough alone. What's well enough alone? What are you saying? That, you know, that he needs to leave alone? Because it's enough. It's well enough now without you. Just leave it alone. Don't say nothing. What? That makes me think you might know something. What is he getting at? I don't know.

[Joe]

What do you think he's getting at?

[Debo]

I don't know, Joe. I feel like he. I feel like he might have some inside information that he's not really letting out that I don't know. Like, hey, Joe. If I say, hey, Joe, man, listen, man. Hey, bruh, you got you beefing with so and so, but I know this dude maybe out of his mind. He a killer. He ain't got no sense in what he feels is actually. A equal response to whatever it is you did. He the type of cat that you went and you. You. You kicked something on his tire, and he may come through and blow your house. I'm gonna say, joe, man, leave well enough alone, bro. Let that ride,

[Joe]

okay? No, I feel you, but look, this is the same thing. Like, what if he out. He. What if he don't know nothing and he's just saying that you're his dad. Leave it alone. Get out the way. You're messing up his opportunity. Coach don't want to talk to you.

[Debo]

Yeah, but you're saying, leave well enough alone. It's well enough right now. Just leave it alone. You're not saying, hey, leave it alone. Get out the way. Let him go. Leave well enough alone.

[Joe]

Yeah, well enough is throwing me off, okay?

[Debo]

That's what I'm saying. Joe, you got to read into this. Like, I'm a thinker. I think about things, man. Like, I'm an overthinker sometimes, too. You know what I'm saying? But that's a good thing, because I done thought about everything that you thinking about, and then I thought about the response to the response that you was thinking. Then I'm thinking about the response that I'm thinking. But if you don't come with that response, you come with the other response. I'm thinking, you go, come with Joe. I'm like Coach LeBeau. Hey.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, the double and triple reverse.

[Debo]

What are we talking about, baby? That's what I'm talking about sometimes you can add something into it. Sometimes you could take something out of it. Sometimes there's nothing there. But when you stay, things like this. Leave well enough alone. Hey, my son come up to me. Hey, dad, man, can I. Can I stay out till. Till one o'?

[Joe]

Clock?

[Debo]

Da, da, da. Man, it's the weekend. I'm trying to, you know. Da, da, da. Yeah, son, that's good. It's good. Oh, man, dad is really going down. Can I stay till 2? Leave well enough alone, son, Because I might kick you back to 12

[Joe]

talking to Brown like that. You can't. Yeah, that's just crazy.

[Debo]

I don't want to start. Listen, man, I don't want to start new over there in Cleveland because we know they started nothing.

[Joe]

Don't worry about it. We gotta. We got a good. We got a quarterback situation going on over there. Everybody's worried about it. We're gonna be good.

[Debo]

Hey, man, I'm just saying, man, I don't want to start. No starting, no

[Joe]

go see what's going on out there, Joe.

[Debo]

Speaking of not starting. No, though. I don't want to start. No. But they say. They say A.J. a.J. Brown did not attend the boy. Sorry, I'm reversed it. Jalen hurts didn't attend A.J. brown's wedding. Right. What that means is there's something there. We just.

[Joe]

Nothing.

[Debo]

They just reading into it.

[Joe]

Nothing. It's got everybody bad schedules are crazy. And that is A.J. brown's day, you know, if you can make it.

[Debo]

Why it hurts a 10, though.

[Joe]

Because, man, he got. Man, he's scared. That's a busy man.

[Debo]

You busy.

[Joe]

That's a busy man. AJ Brown didn't schedule how many.

[Debo]

Joe, how many weddings? How many weddings did your teammates. Did you. Did you not go to a couple, bro.

[Joe]

And it's been something.

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[Debo]

I know you told me you had beef with a couple of them.

[Joe]

None. No beef. No beef. No beef. Just. Just scheduling. No.

[Debo]

Leave well enough alone. You telling me leave well enough alone?

[Joe]

Leave well enough alone. Deebo. Just scheduling purposes. I don't think it's nothing. I'm not diving into it because I really think that's A.J. brown's day. He set up the wedding day. Sometimes schedules don't match up.

[Debo]

Sometimes. I mean, one day. One day, Joe. You can't make it one day for you. We don't want a Super bowl together, Joe.

[Joe]

Is it a destination? I don't know how far it is. We don't know.

[Debo]

So we don't want to go together, though.

[Joe]

What we gon do, he might be contractually obligated to not show up. No. To be elsewhere, like with a contract. He got big brands. Jalen hurts got big brands that he got to be worried about. Jordan deal, big money, got some stuff got going on. He might have had to do some signings, might do some appearances. You never know. It's off season. When did you tell me about the wedding?

[Debo]

I'm just saying, man. Listen, man.

[Joe]

Did I get invited to the wedding? There we go. Everybody all in. What's going on?

[Debo]

Oh, so you saying he didn't even get an invite?

[Joe]

I did not say that. I did not say that.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I ain't gonna be messy. I ain't gonna be messy at all. Cause, hey, bro, I. I ain't. I ain't been. I ain't been to not one of my. Not one of my teammates. Weddings. I don't think so, bro. I. I ain't. I ain't. Listen, I ain't. No, I take that back. I take that back. I did go to Ben's wedding. I went to Ben's wedding. But the reason I've been to Ben's wedding is because it was here in Pittsburgh. I am not traveling nowhere to go to a wedding. Listen, you can invite me. I'm gonna hit your registry. I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you something, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna scoop up enough pennies, you know what I'm saying? Do what I gotta do to find some money to get you something, you know what I'm saying? But I ain't showing up, because if I even got a workout that I'm a miss, and I can't do everything, I need to do Debo. At wherever you're at to. To. To go to your wedding, bro, I'm sorry. It's your day. It is about you. Me being there is not going to affect you in any way, shape or form. And if it does, you got a problem.

[Joe]

That's why I appreciate us talking about this, okay?

[Debo]

I am not coming. I'm sorry. I had teammates getting married and all that. Like, I went to Ben's. It was perfect. I literally had to go two exits down the road. Other than that, I ain't went to nobody else's wedding.

[Joe]

I've been, though. I've been. I've been in the couple. I've been to TJ's out in Mexico. That joint was fire.

[Debo]

Like, I ain't.

[Joe]

But I feel you, Debo. I feel.

[Debo]

Listen, I ain't gonna lie to you man. I just got to the point. I just got to the point. I've been telling hey man, don't even invite me man. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna come. Just let me know what you need on the resume, man. I don't even waste the money on the invitation. Cause y' all be spending big money on the invitation.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yep. You could just respect with the RSVPs, you know what I'm saying? Just be respectful with RCP. Let them know ah came to 10 but send something nice. Boop.

[Debo]

Yeah, keep it moving man. Keep it moving.

[Joe]

Respectfully, brother.

[Debo]

Whoa. It says former Jaguars head coach Urban Meyer, oh Lord has lost his grievance against the team seeking more than 30 million in unpaid salary. That is from Brett McMurphy. What in the world? Urban Meyer ain't coached since when that

[Joe]

was back in the God. He was with the Jags for that time, man.

[Debo]

Okay, it says they're firing him or they fired him on December 16, 2021, 11 months after he was hired after a 2 and 11 record, multiple off field incidents, and kicking and kicker Josh Lambo allegedly alleging that Mike that Myers kicked him in the leg while he was stretching in warm ups before practice during the week of the final preseason game. What the flip? It says Lambo filed a lawsuit against Meyer and the Jaguars in May of 2022 alleging Myers created a hostile work environment and the team did nothing to stop. What? Hey Joe. He would later voluntarily Amazon Health AI

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[Debo]

Dismiss all charges against the Jaguars with prejudice. And that was just February of this year. But his Case against Myers is still pending in Duval county court records and a trial is set for August 3rd.

[Joe]

Bro.

[Debo]

Bruh, this sound. This sounds fishy, man.

[Joe]

Is that the one? That's for August 3rd. Is that for the.

[Debo]

That's for the actual. That's for just Myers. The dude dropped his.

[Joe]

I know. That's what I'm saying. Is that just.

[Debo]

Just Myers, Just Meyer? Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Dude, he dropped the charges that he had against the Jags and Myers kept the charges for Meyer and I don't know, Joe, that sounds fishy to me. Listen, you know me, Joe. Now I'm thinking, my wheels are spinning, Joe. My wheels spin. Why you go drop the charges against the bigger, bigger conglomerate that's a multi billion dollar company.

[Joe]

That makes me that man took his. Man taking it personal.

[Debo]

Huh? Huh? Now hold up, hold up. Maybe. Maybe he could be taking it personal. Yeah, or maybe. Or maybe, like I said, I'm just thinking outside the box under this. I'm. This. I'm alleging that things could possibly happen that maybe the Jaguars got a hold of. Of Lambo and said, hey, look here, you drop this on us, we slide you maybe, oh, maybe three, four, nearly. And in that process, it allows us to not pay him 30. I'm just saying. It's been other things that, you know, I'm just saying, like that's what makes me think. Because I think. I think everywhere I'm here, I'm there and on top of it, on top of it. Hey, you ain't got to drop the one on Meyer. You can keep that. Let us up out of it. We slide you a little something and you can still go and double back and get that personal hit on him for putting his hands on you. I'm just saying. What's your thoughts, Joe?

[Joe]

I'm just. I love Curse my eye. That's my dog. He coached me at Florida. So this is just a.

[Debo]

It's just what kind of. What kind of. Joe, that's great. That's great. Joe kind of coach. It's urban. Is he the type of guy that would walk around and just kick somebody? Oh, that's not a good response, Joe.

[Joe]

Back in the day, I ain't never seen him kick nobody. I never seen him kick nobody. Never seen kick nobody.

[Debo]

I said, is he the kind of coach? Okay. I mean, the pause is gone now, but I think it was a delay of thought because we know, we know how Joe responds when he's got to think. But it's okay. It's okay, because you said he's never kicked Anyone, obviously. Obviously, it's been some things that you might have seen that you was like, yo, that's a little questionable because your pause.

[Joe]

That was back in the day, you know? Yeah.

[Debo]

Pause told me that Gated Gators, well, this was back in the day. I think this was 21. As soon as he got through with, I believe, the Gators, he come fresh into the NFL.

[Joe]

Yeah, it was a. Yeah, it was a while. Yeah, he had a. He had a. He had a real good. He had a straight up aggressive coaching style, but he never touched nobody.

[Debo]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe]

So more mental.

[Debo]

I. I understand what you're saying, but you got to realize when. When people get excited and they get frustrated, the first thing that get going is your hands. You get animated. And then if you're getting something that you're not expecting to get or is against what you're doing and you're getting pushback, then it may turn to physical. I'm just, you know, I'm just shooting it out there from the. The psychology of how the hands work. I don't know. I don't know. Like you said, when you're an aggressive coach, you know, you may.

[Joe]

No, you may.

[Debo]

You may get, you know, aggressive tendencies.

[Joe]

Might have just been planning. Like he said it was in the stretch.

[Debo]

I just can't see you kicking somebody. I ain't gonna lie, baby.

[Joe]

It wasn't probably like a. Like, didn't. Like he was stretching.

[Debo]

Who was the Lambo dude, though?

[Joe]

Kicker.

[Debo]

Like, where is he? Where is he? Where is he from? Like, who was. He said it was the final.

[Joe]

It was a kicker. It was a kicker.

[Debo]

Debo practice from the final preseason game. Obviously he didn't make the team.

[Joe]

Think he might have just been like, man, you. You just out here, just kick me. Just mess with.

[Debo]

He might have gave him an A. Come on. Just like. Like one of those. I just don't see you. You can't put your feet on somebody, dude. You can't do that.

[Joe]

Hey, look, while you're out there stretching

[Debo]

the whole team, spitting and kicking, spitting and kicking, you can't do that. Spitting is the worst. You should be able to kill somebody for spitting on you.

[Joe]

Oh, Lord.

[Debo]

I'm saying this should be legal recourse,

[Joe]

so keep a spit to yourself.

[Debo]

Yes. Like, and if he did kick him, depending on. It don't matter even how he kicked him, though, because that is. That's like. That's assault. So if I'm getting cut and I ain't got no other choice, maybe he. I need to figure out somebody need to figure out who is Josh Lambeau, where he's at, what is he doing now since the 2021 season. I need to know.

[Joe]

I'm gonna call Herb. Well, I get trying to figure out Herb.

[Debo]

Can't say nothing, man. He still got to pin the case. He going to trial. August. August 3rd, man.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

It looked like they say trial set for August 3rd, so he can't. Can't be doing no talking. Call him. Call him August 4th and let me know if the set. If it's settled. After it gets settled, let me know. We're gonna figure it out, Joe. Okay. I just don't see. I don't. You know how you would like to kick some like. Like you're not go. I don't understand that one. But I also. You had the one coach that was over there in Arizona that gave old dude all the work, and he ain't do nothing. That was in a game, live, frustrated action you ain't did. Listen, you don't do that on game day. If you ain't did that in practice, that's something he done did somewhere else. You know what I'm saying? I don't. I don't start off being. You know. Yeah. I don't start off kicking ass and being so comfortable with it that I decided to do it on game day. No, I didn't practice that, like, everywhere.

[Joe]

That's for sure. In training camp.

[Debo]

Listen, something happened because they. They got him for. Cause, brother, they got him for calls. That's why he wasn't. That's why they were able to deny the 30 million.

[Joe]

Yeah. So something.

[Debo]

And whatever the off field incidents are. I don't even know what the multiple off field incidents. I don't know, Joe. I'm just. I'm just reporting the news. I'm just.

[Joe]

I'm just.

[Debo]

I'm just showing what they said. I'm just reading what I saw, man.

[Joe]

They ain't gonna give him his dirty because they said they. They fired him for cause. So, hey, it's. Then the man got him. Now my man's trying to. The punter trying to sue. So we gonna see what it do.

[Debo]

They said, don't lie, Joe. People said, don't lie. They said, hey, I need. Hey, kiss my. Yeah, I ain't gonna say it. Dark side of the Moon. I read how I read. Y' all just deal with it. If you don't like it, take your punk ass off the show.

[Joe]

Let him know, Debo, this is what we do.

[Debo]

We do what we want to do. How we want to do it. Kid rocks you on here because you want to see what we doing. You go sit here and complain. Get your punk ass out the chat. Yeah, they like it when you talk to them like that because now they want to talk more and they want you to see what it is that you. I ain't listening to nothing that you say no more.

[Joe]

Talk crazy to him.

[Debo]

Talk. Man. They say yes, Nashville will be getting the Super bowl in 2030, bruh. Like Nashville getting the Super Bowl. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I done heard too much positive stuff about Nashville. Nashville expected to be named host of Super Bowl 2023 by the NFL owners. They will vote for it the city on today during the spring league meetings. This will be the first time the music city will be host of a Super bowl with the event showcasing the Titans new stadium which is expected to be open in 2027. So they go get a Super bowl there fresh three years right up they new stadium. And I heard too much good stuff about Nashville. I gots to be there, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

That's what I'm telling you. That's why these teams making that new stadium is incentivizing. Cause the super bowl gonna come to your spot. That's why my good old Browns building that fire stadium just in time, you know what?

[Debo]

And I'm gonna be there for the opening of it. They want me to be the first person to break ground because it's like home for me. Said I had some of my best gangs against.

[Joe]

You already missed it. You already missed the garment.

[Debo]

I missed it.

[Joe]

Yep, he did.

[Debo]

Well, I'll be there for the opening. I'll be there for the opening. First game. First game.

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[Joe]

I ain't going. I've heard nothing but good things about Nashville and I'm just about them boys getting these new stadiums. Do you know if they're going to have grass or turf?

[Debo]

That I don't know, Joe.

[Joe]

I will hope.

[Debo]

I don't know why. It's grass now, right?

[Joe]

Yes. Yes.

[Debo]

I don't know why it would not be grass.

[Joe]

Oh, I hope it. I think I know. I know the Bill's new. I do know Bill's new one is going to be grass, that's for sure. I gotta see if the Titans one because everyone if they build these new,

[Debo]

they gotta be great.

[Joe]

Billion dollars.

[Debo]

Listen, you gotta put the roll the field in and out.

[Joe]

You got so much. Come on, man. You know what it is.

[Debo]

Take care of your people. Like, y' all make enough money, bro. It ain't about the money thing, bro. Thousand ain't about the money thing. Like, come on now. I mean, it is about the money because y' all trying to hold on to as much of it as you can. I understand, but you still got no players.

[Joe]

The field part, you got to put that in.

[Debo]

I keep the product.

[Joe]

You got to put that. You got to put that in there.

[Debo]

Yes. Mandatory.

[Joe]

East 10, everybody.

[Debo]

The crazy thing is 2030 is the last deal under this current collective bargaining agreement.

[Joe]

Right now them boys still hitting each team getting that check. 400 million in the cap. Three set three, was it? 300 and some. So 75 to the good off rip.

[Debo]

Like we're trying to. Listen. I'm trying to tell you I'm going to that one, though. I might. I might eat. No, I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna go to the game. Let me stop. But I'm going to Nashville for sure.

[Joe]

Oh, for sure.

[Debo]

I gotta see what's Going. And I'm wearing all the country stuff I've got. I'm gonna go get me some boots. I'm gonna go get it, bro. Okay. I'm wearing some tight jeans. So tight, bro. Oh, no.

[Joe]

Yes. It gotta be that tight. Gotta be crazy tight, bro.

[Debo]

You gonna see my calves flexing.

[Joe]

Oh, you gonna have one of the legging jeans.

[Debo]

Tight, tight jeans, baby.

[Joe]

Boots, fret boots. Are you gonna have the shirt tucked in? Big belt buckle.

[Debo]

Big belt buckle. Huge, bro.

[Joe]

Cowboy hat.

[Debo]

Cowboy hat.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Debo]

Whatever the shirt is that I need to have that say I'm Nashville. I'm Nashville. That's it.

[Joe]

I'm going to. I'm going to walk 15 to 30, 15 yards behind you and just watch the people that pass you. They gonna be looking back like, hey.

[Debo]

They're gonna say, hey. Damn, that man looked good.

[Joe]

Look at that right there. He's the strongest cowboy I've ever seen.

[Debo]

Ever seen. Ever seen, Joe. What are we talking about?

[Joe]

You got. I know you got. I know you got cowboy hats already, because I got a lot of cowboys.

[Debo]

I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe. I don't really have one. I kinda separated a lot of my inventory. But what I'm gonna do though is I'm gonna get me a fit to every kind of event. Now, you know, they got. They got dress boots, they got work boots, they got casual boots, they got dress hat, they got work hat, they got casual hat.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

They got dress jeans, they got casual jeans, they got work jeans. I'm gonna give me one of everything, Joe, if not two. And when I go to these events, Joe, they go, they gonna think I was born and bred right there, right there in Tennessee. Okay.

[Joe]

No, for sure I'm gonna look like I was ready.

[Debo]

Matter of fact, bro, I might even make me a nice Debo and Joe buckbell. Wow. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Okay. Okay.

[Debo]

Nice one. Say, say Debo and Jonah real big. I'm gonna bring us over shaped like, you know, I'm gonna bring us the fedoras, you know, Might do a little two step and three step kicking. He'll heal. Kicking. Yeah, I'm do it all, Joe. I might even just say the hell wouldn't ride my horse on in town.

[Joe]

Yes, you go get. You go get your horse from, from. From. For my boy. From Keith.

[Debo]

No, I'm gonna let James. I'm. Let James ride this out. I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need something with a. With a stronger back. I'm gonna have to get me something that's at least 20, 21 hands, you know. You don't know nothing about that. That's. Yeah, that's measurement of horse, son. It's okay. I teach you something same way I'm gonna teach you how to fish. I'm gonna teach you about these. About these horses and these cows and these stirs and these, these. I'm teach you all about all that before we get on down there to Nashville. Come up.

[Joe]

I'm gonna teach you about all. I'm gonna teach you about this basketball. I'm gonna teach you about this Euro step. I'm gonna teach you about this sham. Goddamn. I'm gonna teach you about this crossover. Teach you about this euro. Teach you about this floater.

[Debo]

You go teach me or you go show me people that do it.

[Joe]

I'm gonna do both. I'm gonna show you my calves do it. And then I'm gonna show you with

[Debo]

that raggedy hip you got, man, that

[Joe]

hip is nice and loose right now. Come on, man. You see that? Deep up. Chill out, chill out. I'm a little bit less above the rim. It's more Luca. It's more Luca than Anthony Edwards, but

[Debo]

I still love the bucket.

[Joe]

Both of them still averaging 35, and Luca can't barely dunk, so I'm on my Luka Doncic right now.

[Debo]

Who you shooting over? Impeccable. You know how tall Luca is?

[Joe]

You, I'm shooting over.

[Debo]

You ain't shooting over me, Joe. I tower over you.

[Joe]

I'm shooting over Debo. I'm taller than you.

[Debo]

Me and you, probably not, Joe.

[Joe]

We the same height. I might be taller than you.

[Debo]

Yo, we gonna stand next to each other, man. I'm damn near two and a half, three inches taller than you.

[Joe]

I'm taller than you.

[Debo]

No.

[Joe]

You know yes, I am.

[Debo]

No, you.

[Joe]

That's crazy. At worst case, we the same.

[Debo]

Somebody please pull up. Who's taller? Oh, man, we know who taller. Joe.

[Joe]

That's crazy.

[Debo]

Joe. Since when you became six foot, Joe?

[Joe]

Brother, I'm what?

[Debo]

Right? I'm six foot.

[Joe]

No, you are not. You're five eleven, too.

[Debo]

That's a lie, bro. I'm six.

[Joe]

You're lying.

[Debo]

Yo, why is you sitting here?

[Joe]

Because you, brother, you're getting older.

[Debo]

I know. I can't. I can't. It's rubbing off on you, bro.

[Joe]

Do you not know? Do you not know? You start getting shorter as you start getting older, yo, and you're starting getting shorter now. So you're literally. You're 5. You're 5 11. I'm giving you 511 right now.

[Debo]

Joe, you ain't no. You ain't no spring chicken. You five ten now.

[Joe]

No, sir.

[Debo]

What is you talking about? What is you talking about?

[Joe]

5 11, brother.

[Debo]

5 11.

[Joe]

In what world you're wilding the same world that you're six foot.

[Debo]

I'm six foot in everywhere. I'm six foot on the earth, period, man.

[Joe]

Listen, somebody pull up, man. I'm gonna get a picture.

[Debo]

Somebody pull up my.

[Joe]

Next time I see you. Next time I see you soon. I see you guys. I'm saying, man, take your shoes off, bro. Take your shoes off. I' ma take my shoes off. And then we gonna see who's taller.

[Debo]

Yes, yes. I'm gonna be taller than you, Joe.

[Joe]

And then when I'm taller than you. Don't be talking crazy.

[Debo]

You are. You are taller than I thought, Joe. You're not gonna be.

[Joe]

Joe, you know what you're gonna tell me. Dang, Joe, you six foot two.

[Debo]

You not taller than me. You not go be taller than me, Joe. It's not. It's impossibility.

[Joe]

Let me tell you this.

[Debo]

You're not. You're.

[Joe]

You're stronger than me. Your arms are bigger than mine. And I'm taller than you, Joe.

[Debo]

You're not taller than me, Joe. Can you please look at it? Can you please look at us walking together, Joe? I'm taller than you, Joe. You had on dress shoes too, Joe. Who you. When we was at the draft, you had on dress shoes too, Joe. I was still taller than you, man.

[Joe]

I had on. Them joints was flat, bruh.

[Debo]

I was still taller than you. It's okay, Joe. It's okay.

[Joe]

Like, it's all right.

[Debo]

You.

[Joe]

What's up?

[Debo]

Hey, Chad just said I'm 6 foot. You 5 11. Yahoo. Says Debo 6 foot. Joe 511 and facts.

[Joe]

Yep, yep, yep. I'm telling you, that's. That's measurement. Measurements. I'm telling you, they're.

[Debo]

Oh, my goodness. They said the Tennessee Titans will have turf.

[Joe]

You started lying. They gonna have turf.

[Debo]

I just seen it in the chat. David Little said the Tennessee Titans will have turf.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Debo]

David Little, dash V. That's not good. C6TD.

[Joe]

That's not good.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe, they said you had pumps

[Joe]

on at the draft season with Joe's five.

[Debo]

Oh, they said you five nine.

[Joe]

No, they're just trying to be funny now. They're trying to be.

[Debo]

No, they're not, bro. I'm just. Why would the chat do this? They don't do this. They don't pick sides. They Love us both. All they do is speak facts.

[Joe]

They ain't speaking.

[Debo]

They do research. They check it out for us.

[Joe]

Like they said. That's crazy.

[Debo]

They said somebody is wearing lifts. Joe. Stephen Jackson 3041 says somebody wearing lifts. That's what he said.

[Joe]

You are not six foot tall and I am not six foot tall. I'm five foot eleven, Joe.

[Debo]

You ain't. I'm six foot, Joe. I was actually a little over six foot.

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[Joe]

Where? Where?

[Debo]

My measurements on my rookie year from the NFL. I was 6 foot 3 quarter.

[Joe]

No way.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

You was 511 to 7 8.

[Debo]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This, this, this. You being so disrespectful right now.

[Joe]

And they. Because that's what I'm telling you.

[Debo]

Do you realize that I go over this with my kids every day. They measure me every day.

[Joe]

Okay?

[Debo]

Every day. I'm six foot every day. Joe,

[Joe]

do you do. Are you doing this with shoes on?

[Debo]

No, barefoot. You want me to show you the marks in the basement? In the furnace room where we mark.

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[Debo]

a line across your head right here yeah. Yes, I can show you that. I'm gonna show you that.

[Joe]

I'm gonna believe it when you show it to me.

[Debo]

They've been fighting because they want to get taller than me. No, Henry, go get taller than me, because that measurement. I'm gonna lose on that one. I ain't gonna lie. But James, I don't think he got a chance. I don't think he got a chance. I think it's. Man, he was talking cash money. He was talking cash money, dude. Oh, dad, I'm almost taller than you. I'm. I'm. I'm 5, 10. I'm this and that. He was in, like. Like freshman or eighth grade or something like that. I said, hey, be careful.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

I said, I've been six foot since the eighth grade, buddy. It was over with.

[Joe]

You got in eighth grade, you got.

[Debo]

Bro, I was six foot in the eighth grade, and I get no taller from there. It was over with and that. Look at him now. He like 511 board and got one inch in the last four, five years, huh? They got one inch in the last three, four years, huh? Yeah. Talking all that cash and then. Hey, hey, Joe. And then he told me, like, dad, you getting gray hairs, all that. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, okay, yeah, that's cool. Hey, he got, like, three of them already. I'm like, you got gray hairs already, son. You're only 18.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Debo]

Oh, it's bad feeding. It's going down. It's going down, son. It's going down. He said his wisdom. I said, nope, nope. That's what's talking.

[Joe]

That's what talking great young got to be. Yep, yep. It'll be OG.

[Debo]

See, you don't stretch, Joe. That's the big thing. You don't stretch. I stretch every stretch. I keep my limber. I. I keep. I keep my flexibility, Joe.

[Joe]

I do stretch.

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying? I seen you try and stretch that broke hip. You can't. It don't do nothing. Like. Joe, you remember when we was at the super.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's a little time. Working on it.

[Debo]

Little that.

[Joe]

Working on it, man. He was in the jump, too, man.

[Debo]

Man, my mama, my mama, my mama. Hip work better than that. I had it replaced.

[Joe]

I'm still dunking, though.

[Debo]

You ain't dunking on nothing, Joe.

[Joe]

I'm dunking 10ft. Still dunking. Can you dunk still?

[Debo]

No, I told you I can't. After I had my back surgery, it was over.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay. My bad. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Debo]

Well, let's. Let's go ahead and taller and we gonna see if you can dunk.

[Joe]

I'm gonna show you I can dunk. And then I'm gonna show you that I'm the same or a little bit taller than you.

[Debo]

You're not taller than me, Joe.

[Joe]

You didn't measure yourself since your back surgery.

[Debo]

Yes, I have, dude. Down a little bit. Listen, man, you think I ain't myself?

[Joe]

I know.

[Debo]

At least three times this year they trying to catch me. They trying to make like they taller than me. It ain't happening yet, Joe.

[Joe]

Let me tell you something.

[Debo]

Giving up nothing.

[Joe]

My little son Joey, he gonna be taller than me for sure. He's nine. And this little man is four foot ten. Yup.

[Debo]

At nine, he almost, almost there. One more inch.

[Joe]

One more foot.

[Debo]

Oh, there you go.

[Joe]

You. My bad. Yeah.

[Debo]

I got confused, though. My bad. I'm sorry about that, bro.

[Joe]

Jetty Jet T, seven years old. He's. He's probably gonna be around my height. He's four foot two. Because when I was in the ninth grade, Debo, I was five foot three five, three, five, four in the ninth, Starting varsity freshman quarterback. Looking like a five three one, three five. And then when I left, I was five, ten and a half, five eleven, one hundred and eighty five.

[Debo]

And you ain't grew since?

[Joe]

Not one hundred and seventy five.

[Debo]

And I did.

[Joe]

No, I ain't. Yep. I stayed around that size.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah. It's okay.

[Joe]

I stayed at 5:11.

[Debo]

You're not. And you probably ain't even 5'11. Cause I'm so much taller than you. Now that I think about it. You ain't five. You ain't five' eleven.

[Joe]

You're.

[Debo]

You.

[Joe]

Okay. I'm just telling you, you got them NBA numbers.

[Debo]

The NFL, they're. They're going to award, I guess, the 20, 28 draft to. To Minnesota. Minneapolis next year is in D.C. and then we got Minneapolis the year after that. You ever been over there, bro? I played a Super bowl over there. I don't know what it's gonna be like, but it was cold. It was. Dude, it was colder than, like, bruh. It was so cold there, bro. It was cold. And Eskimo out that, bro. I'm trying to tell. Oh, Lord, bro.

[Joe]

They said they got one of the. I don't know. They probably got one of the biggest malls.

[Debo]

Oh, the mall is fine.

[Joe]

That was the only hotel we stayed at.

[Debo]

It was connected to it.

[Joe]

Yes, yes. That's why I went to it. Connected to the hotel. Walked around it Was nice. It was indoors, so it was cold as. I don't know what outside. So we never had.

[Debo]

It was negative. I don't know what.

[Joe]

Yeah, come on.

[Debo]

Anyway, man, let's hit these super chats before we get out of here. Oh, we only got one super chat. That's great. We got one super chat from Hex Tana. $5. Joe Go need one of them rubber ducky.

[Joe]

That's crazy devices. That's crazy word.

[Debo]

You take him fishing. Mad love. Joe should have been a Steeler since day one. Hey, he couldn't have been a Steeler since day one because we would have never been that sorry to go draft that high.

[Joe]

I was drafting too late. But y' all could have traded up for. For your dog. But it's all good.

[Debo]

I ain't think about that. I ain't think about that. But.

[Joe]

But, you know. No, no, no. It's all good. Everything. Y' all got Pouncy.

[Debo]

Everything happened for a reason.

[Joe]

Y' all got. Y' all got Pouncy.

[Debo]

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[Joe]

I should never stay. Y' all made a wrong pick, picking my dog. Pounce. Got to be more careful. The center he stayed there for. It's just Pro Bowls. On Pro Bowls. On Pro Bowls.

[Debo]

Yes, sir. He's home, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Joe]

No rubber duckies over here for me. I'm gonna be good, Debo.

[Debo]

Hey, you know how to swim? You good?

[Joe]

I'm a. What can I swim?

[Debo]

We ain't jumping in the water. I'm jumping the water. If we go to Alaska, because that's.

[Joe]

I'm gonna jump in. I can.

[Debo]

It's cold water, Joe. It's cold water now.

[Joe]

I can swim anywhere. I ain't scared.

[Debo]

Hey, listen. And I really noticed, and they actually jumped out into, like, the. I jumped in the bay. Me and the kids, we jumped in the bay, but we had one. One person, they jumped while they were in the ocean.

[Joe]

I could be alive.

[Debo]

No, I wouldn't have did that, bro. I would have been scared. I was scared jumping into the bay, bruh.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about my swimming skills. I could do it. Fearful of what's in there. Completely different game. I'm not. Yeah. I'm not rocking with none of that stuff that's in there. We got to make sure no sharks in there.

[Debo]

Ain't nothing there but salmon sharks. Some salmon sharks in there. You don't wanna. I don't know if they want to hit you. I don't know if they.

[Joe]

I Don't know.

[Debo]

I don't know if they. But they. They got sharp teeth. They eat salmon, though. Yeah. They shouldn't bite you.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm not going. Yeah, you jump in first, then food.

[Debo]

But they got orcas, too. Now, I'm really.

[Joe]

I'm really trying to fish. I'm really trying to fish. Don't need none of that.

[Debo]

Humpback whales, all that. Yeah, yeah, Orcas and humpbacks, but we not.

[Joe]

You're not trying to jump in there with them?

[Debo]

No, no, no. That's why I jump in at the bay.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Get from the bay is you might get a. You know, you might get a whale come through there. Okay. He got lost in the traffic.

[Joe]

He.

[Debo]

He'll wander through. In and back out.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Debo]

But.

[Joe]

Yeah, but when he's coming through, I'm gonna just get back in the boat.

[Debo]

They got sea otters, though. You see them? Sea otters?

[Joe]

Yeah. All that's cool. All that's cool.

[Debo]

Well, look here, Joe. This is what we gonna do, man. I'm gonna go ahead and check out this. This CAVS game at 8 o', clock, bro.

[Joe]

Yes, you are.

[Debo]

And I' ma watch when New York put them on them. And I'm a. I'm just. I'm just gonna hit you like I did last time. Hi.

[Joe]

Here we go. Cleveland Cavaliers. I'm gonna ask y' all right now, and this is from me to you. Do this for the city. Do this for the land. James Harden. I know they've been out here talking greasy about you and not me. I believe it's your time. Do what you gotta do. That step back, that double step back, that everybody's loaned the love. Nobody's talking to you, Deebo.

[Debo]

I'm talking about that travel, James Harden.

[Joe]

And I'm talking to Cleveland. We need you, James Harden. It's time. Donovan. Mitchell, you made it now to the Eastern Conference finals. I'm so happy for you. You're my man. You got you having Coco on the sideline. Bring your old lady to the games. I love it. Donovan, keep doing your thing. Spider Mobley and Jarrett Allen, please do not let Karl Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson go out there and try to act like they know what they're doing. Our big men, y' all are our big men. Come out there, play defense like you did versus Detroit in game seven. We need this. Come on, let's steal game one from New York in Madison Square Garden, show them that we not playing. They got a seven and a half point underdogs. Are they tripping Are they tripping? Let's go.

[Debo]

Should have been 10.

[Joe]

I want to hear none of that, Debo. None of that.

[Debo]

Look here, look here. Joe is out here talking reckless, out of control. Come on. But what I want to do is thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your podcast. Joe.

[Joe]

See y' all on Friday. Let's go, Cavs.

[Debo]

Cut that.

[Joe]

Let's go. Cast Debo. Give me a. Let's go, Cavs.

[Debo]

Here we go, Steelers. I don't care about the cast.

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