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Belichick BLOWN OUT in UNC debut, Tyreek Hill not named captain, Cam Hayward sitting? | Deebo & Joe
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Foreign Joe Show. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison and here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe to our channel. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?
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Great day, great day. Another day on the pod with my good man Deebo. Can't wait to get into these topics, man. It was a lot going on, a lot of things to talk about.
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Definitely, definitely. The first thing we're going to talk about though is how, you know, UNC went over there and got their face beat in. Got 48 to 40, 48 to 14, man. You know, I guess that was Bill's welcome, welcome to college party.
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I would say it wasn't no joke. He's letting them know, man, these boys did not come to play. TCU was not playing with them, bro.
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Yeah, definitely. So, you know, looking at it, you know, I think the, the defense, personally, just looking at it, they, they just got, they just got dominated, I think on both sides of the ball. When you look at the offensive and defensive lines, they were, they were getting moved around the whole game. Yeah, yeah, the whole game. On top of that, you, you know, you got guys not, you know, catching passes, you got guys missing tackles, dropping punts, everything that, you know, when I was there that they harped on fundamentals, you know what I'm saying? You know, you know, see what you supposed to see, be where you're supposed to be and do what it is that you're supposed to do. And you know, you had guys that just looked like they were totally out of position. You know, big plays. It was nothing like you normally see of a.
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They looked lost, Deebo. They looked lost. They looked like they were ill prepared and uncoached. And that is not what you see in the Bill Belichick type defense or team. The one thing they going to do is be coached. They are going to have eye discipline, they're going to tackle, they're going to be in the right position. It's not. They might not be the most athletic people, but the one thing they're going to do is they're going to be in the right place and make the right play at the right time. They looked completely lost when they first started off the game. It was all good. The first drive, first class cross, big over, boom. Everybody's hype. First drive, they score. And from that. It's funny how the table was it.
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Like 40, something like nonstop 40, 40, some unanswered.
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That's exactly what it was. Deebot. Yeah.
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He threw the pictures, that's not something you could do, man.
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No, the pick six before halftime killed them. And then coming out of half, I.
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Don'T think that killed him. I think they didn't regroup at halftime. Normally, you know, when you get in there, especially at when I was there with Bill, he has a plan, you know, in place, and he puts that plan in place and, okay, this is what we're going to do. This is what we're going to adjust to. And you come out, you adjust to it. And I think he's very good at adjusting to halftime. But again, you're in college, you know what I'm saying? And it's a difference between college and the pros. How hard do you think it is to go from coaching in the NFL to college?
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I think it's very hard, I think, because when you have professionals that understand that it's not. No longer. We're not doing this for fun. This is our profession. This is our job. What's on film is our resume. So you're speaking to grown men, and when you tell them one time, they shouldn't be able to. You shouldn't make the same mistake twice in the league or you gonna be out the way in college. It's more, man, like, dude, do you get this or do you don't? You know what I'm saying? I think it's harder to coach those kids than it is to coach professionals. And now with those kids being nil guys, these kids are also now getting paid. These kids are also now looking at Bill like, what you gonna tell me? You know what I'm saying? I'm making a million dollars here, playing a little game. I can go somewhere else next year. You know what I'm saying? I got this. So not being able to have the maturity of, like, you can't really coach these dudes up because now they looking at you like, who you talking to? You know what I'm saying? Instead of the respect factor that he used to have in college, where Coach Meyer, when he was telling us what to do, he was the law. There's nothing over Meyer. Meyer's not gonna let us play if we go somewhere else. You had to sit out a year. You couldn't just go to another school and then go play. No, you had to go do what Cam did. He went juco. Then he had to go to Auburn. There's steps, so kids are acting a little bit different. So I think that's gonna be a whole lot tougher for him to coach. But I was saying like you said too, the halftime part pick going into the second half, now you have the whole halftime to figure it out. Get your changes, get your execution. First play, Deebo, the man ran 75 yards untouched and scored again right out of halftime. The first.
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Yeah, and that's not, that's not the adjustment you want.
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You want, that's not, you didn't do any adjustments. You look crazy.
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That's something else. The big difference, you know, is you're, you're recruiting now. You actually have to go out here and find the guys that you need to get. That's a whole nother process. You don't have a whole scouting deployment department to go out there and, you know, get what it is that, you know, again, you have, you have grown men, you know, out here, they're trying to put food on their table, they're trying to feed their family. You know, it's going to be a lot more motivation to go out there and get it done. Where you got these, you know, 17 to 20 something year old kids and, you know, they got money in their pocket now, you know.
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Exactly.
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Thousand, $100,000. That's, that's, that's a big thing to them. And I think another thing with colleges that, you know, they've really limited the amount of time, I think that's what we're seeing in the tackle and they've limited the amount of time that these guys could go out here and do live drills, go and tackle going, you know, perfect their craft. And I think that's a big issue of why we were seeing, you know, so many missed tackles.
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No, I think so too. You're exactly right. I mean, it's live reps. They're taking out the live reps. They want dudes to, they're trying to protect people's heads and all of the protocols. Being able to go full speed and get those live tackling reps, being able to get those angle tackles, that doesn't happen.
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It's a big difference between running up here and breaking down. Oh, I was formed up, ready to go. Okay, but what happens when he decides that he's not going to cut away from you and he lowers his shoulder.
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He'S going to, he's going to dip now.
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He's going to run you over.
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Yes.
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That's things that in practice you have to go through for sure be able to, you know, get that day in and day out so that when you get into that game, you know what, I can see the adjustment, you know, it may be a little late, but I'm not going to miss this whole tack tackle because I've been coming up here all practice, squatting down, form fitting, looking pretty. And now, you know, he go ahead and he put that right down on my ass, and I'm sitting there on my back with my feet kicked up in the air. Yeah. You know, like. Like a horse that then got put down, you know?
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For sure, for sure, for sure. Because dude can run all the way up to the right position, stand there, and then look, Bam. Now you get back. What you gonna do when you get there? You gonna drive through him? Are you gonna go through the target or are you going to become. You know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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A speed bump?
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Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I don't. I don't. Dang, man. I just. I don't. I don't think I would ever go from coaching in the NFL to. To. To coaching in college because again, especially in today's era, you lose a lot of the motivation that, you know, guys. Guys have. You know, when you're in the pros versus now in college, you know, you got some of these guys out here, they could. They could mess around and actually make, you know, generational money, you know, millions of dollars if they're smart with it and having, you know, financial understanding of what it is they need to do. And you're sitting here as their position coach trying to tell him what to do. That's.
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That's a hard road to hold a thousand percent, man.
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Yeah.
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Thousand percent. They had that role of us because we couldn't even do anything. That name, engine, likeness. You couldn't get a haircut and you couldn't get a free tattoo. That means tf Cheryl Proud got kicked out of school for getting free tattoos like crazy.
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Dude, that was that long ago, you know what I'm saying?
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That wasn't that long ago that we couldn't actually do a thing. We couldn't have no money. Like, they want us to be legitimately broke. They're like, oh, you getting your parents? They're paying for your houses. I'm like, so, like, if a dude was in my class that was an artist and made it a painting, he could sell that painting for $250,000 and nobody gonna say nothing to him. But I can't go do an autograph signing Joe Hayden at the University of Florida, make a couple thousand dollars because I ain't got it. They like this. That's against the ncaa. Like, huh? If they don't, that's my A dinner.
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That's me a dinner could get you. Get you popped. You know what I'm saying?
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Anything, bro. Anything. So that was crazy. Like, not being able to do that and just being able to not have no money to. Now these dudes are. I, I, I, I appreciate it. I love it. But at the same time, that's what gives them a little bit more like, you can't really tell me nothing. But, I mean, I don't like that part. I think they could still be able to grind, still be able to get it. Cause that's the thing. What I loved about college when we was there, I think that made us want to get it out the mud. Cause you still didn't have nothing, you know what I'm saying? You were still in it with your boys.
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Nobody wanted to go back to the situation.
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All y' all broke, man.
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So we like, you know, that's something that I see now with, you know, current players and some of their kids. It's like, yo, you know, even me, I'm like, I done made it too comfortable for these dudes. Like, my, you know, my oldest son finally dropped down and started. Started really grinding into it. But it was only after he had a couple surgeries, you know what I'm saying? And now he has to have another one tomorrow. But, you know, I was in a situation where I'm like, yo, I gotta grind. I gotta go out here. I don't wanna. I don't wanna be in the situation I grew up in. I didn't know I was poor, Joe, until I got to college and realized, like, yo, everybody don't live how we was living back here. Like, we ain't got no money. We actually, like, we actually waiting. We folding up antennas to make sure you get the TV to work and all this other stuff. TV break, you gotta wait for sure. But it ain't just go get a new one. And everything else.
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Like you saying, too, though, that's the thing, you know, you're your surroundings. Like, everybody that surrounds you is kind of in the same situation. The Internet, being able to get on TikTok, being able to see everybody, how everybody's living miles away and fake living, you know what I'm saying? Because all that stuff is having their perspective, what they put out. You always want to listen up with the Joneses. Keep up with the Joneses. When you was in your neighborhood, you was riding your bike to your man's street up the street, and y' all was playing football in the street until the lights came back on. You wasn't sitting There looking to see, oh, what little Johnny got that lives in California with his family that's just traveling and doing that stuff. You figuring it out. What you got.
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You up here window shopping, daydreaming, trying to compare your life to somebody's life that ain't even really what they putting on there.
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Putting nothing.
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They just fronting, you know what I'm saying?
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Got you, got you depressed, got you stressed out over something that doesn't even need to be nothing, you know what I'm saying? So just a whole different. It's just a whole different era. But that grind, that, like, wanting to get it, that, that, that, that grit that we had, some of that stuff, you can't put it in everybody. Some people ain't built like that, you.
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Know what I'm saying? The grind, man. Like, we got, we got, we got the top 100 come out, and I guess we got Barkley, Sanques, Barkley ranked as number one. Are you surprised it's a running back at the top?
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I'm not going lie over a quarterback. Over a quarterback. I would say yes, but Saquon is deserving of it, you know what I'm saying? Like, I do think there's been, like, his season, his year that he had, what he did for the Eagles, what.
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He did for the city, they don't understand. And I'm not surprised by it at all. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, but I think especially what he.
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Did, coming to that team that year and going and getting the ultimate goal in the game and is the reason they got him, and he made that happen. He helped make that. He was a huge part of that along with the season. He had the plays he had. Yes, I'm, you know, I'm not upset about it. I'm not surprised by it. I'm good with it.
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I'm. I'm good with it. I'm happy for him, and I'm happy that just the. It shows that NFL players, they don't like the way that some people saying, like, the contracts, running backs are going down. It just shows that this is your players, your people, your peers, you know what I'm saying? They recognize your game. They like this. This dude had best season, is the best player in the league right now, and having Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jamar Chase, Patrick Mahomes right behind him speaks volumes. And I can see them saying that, man, that dude was the best player this season. You know what I'm saying?
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Yes.
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That's all you want from your period.
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Hey, speaking of that, what Was Your highest rating, Joe?
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23.
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You know what your highest rating was?
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I don't even know. Oh, I know that, man. I was watching that joint. I'm like, man, they better get me lower than low. I got the 23. I was 30. I was 39 and then 23. Yeah, 23 was my highest, though.
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Okay. Okay. I couldn't even tell you what. What my highest was. I don't.
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We gonna get on that research. James. I know you.
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I know you don't know. I ain't gonna lie. I don't know. I don't. I don't know how much you think guys care about that, though.
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I. I mean, I Honestly, if you. You just want to be recognized by your peers for what you do, and that's why we. I think we played it to be the best at our position. We didn't just do it to be out there. So the recognition, like, the grind. We're trying. We want to be the best that we can be. We're already in the league, and that's what happens. But now, once you're in the league, I want to be the best in the league. I want to be all Pro. I want to go to the Pro Bowls. I want to win Super Bowls. So that's just in your own mental. When you competing against yourself, like, in this joint.
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Here's the.
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Trying to be the best.
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We won our first super bowl, which was in 2005, Detroit. And I was a special teams player, right? And I mean, it's. What I'm going to say is going to sound kind of crazy, but I was a special teams player, okay? And I was like, this don't. This don't feel like, you know, what I. What I see on tv, I'm like, well, I'm like, maybe it'll. It'll feel different, you know, if I was a starter and, you know, I'm. You know, I'm more of a part of the. Of the actual, you know, team for the whole, you know, all that. Yeah. You know, you Fast forward to 2008, and, you know, we went in. In Tampa, and I remember sitting on the podium, dude, not. Not even the podium. It was a camera that was out there, and it had a little round cylinder around it. So I sat down on that, and I'm looking around, and this gonna sound crazy. I was like, it still feel the same. It was like watching it on tv, bro, was way more exciting than actually being there and winning it. Like, when you look at the tv, bro, like, they. They. They sell you everything. So when you're looking at the tv, you're watching every player celebrate here, celebrate there. So it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All this. And I'm sitting there, and I'm like. I see the confetti falling. It's like cameras looking at me, and I'm like. Like, yeah, it's cool, but it ain't like they show it on tv.
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Was your folks there? Was your family?
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Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I was so tired. I. As soon as the game hit and.
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It was over with, you, was exhausted.
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I was exhausted, bro. I sat down. I just took my helmet off, dude, and I was just. I just had my head like. I was just like this. And I look up and I'm looking around, and I'm just like, damn. It still ain't like you see it on.
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Damn, Brody, your ass was drained, Debo. Yeah, he was mentally, bro.
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I took two bags at halftime, bruh.
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See, that's what I'm saying.
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Yeah.
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Is this the one? Is this the one when you did the pick six?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, yeah. You. Man, you couldn't breathe.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You was exhausted.
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Listen, I was actually hurt a little bit, though, but. Because when I hit my head, my neck hit the ground first, and it kind of crunched, so I started to jump back up, and when I went to go jump back up, it. It cracked again, and RC Was already standing over, and I'm like, hey, get the trainers.
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Get the train.
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I couldn't break. I couldn't breathe either, though. Like, real talk.
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I just couldn't believe you didn't fumble that joint, too. You held onto the rock, hit your neck, and scored. Debo, that joint was unbelievable, brother.
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I had a whole squad, man. I had dudes that threw two blocks, bro.
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Oh, no. For sure.
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To help me get down there. And that was something that we ended up practicing, dude. Like, that whole week, dude, in. In Tampa, when we were down there and Coach Lebow was giving us the stats on your percentages of winning. If you get a turnover, if you get a defensive touchdown, dude, it was something like it was close to 90. You get a defensive touchdown, dude. So that whole week, it didn't matter if we caught the ball and got a pick at the one yard line. The whole defense ran, taking it back to the house. Take it to the house. They just waited for us to get back and, you know, practice made perfect.
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It's a mindset, y' all winning that joint. If somebody gets it, we taking it back to the crib.
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Yes.
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No matter what. No, we Gonna pitch it back. We gotta pitch it back. But you. Nah, I'm gonna get busy. I'm gonna jump over, buddy, you know what I'm saying?
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Take it up, you know what I'm saying? Like that. I had my running back skills come out, you know what I'm saying?
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You had it high.
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Like, I could have went. I could have went either way at the end. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't have it high and tight no more. I was kind of holding that mud like a loaf of bread, like this, you know what I'm saying? I had it like this. The crazy thing is when Fitz came off the side, if he had actually swiped down and just hit the ball, it would have popped out. He missed and hit my chest. It gave me time to cover it up.
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Okay.
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That was the only thing, you know what I'm saying? Running back skills was in play, you know what I'm saying? Speaking of running backs, we got. We got a little thing from Thurman Thomas here. Rather than rewarding running backs for production once their rookie contracts expire, Thurman Thomas is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger and cheaper player. He says, you still deserve a contract. The first team you put. The first team has put you through hell. And yet I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries. Now give me my damn money. It's not even receiver money. It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers. What do you. What do you think of the comments first, but the use of running backs now, like, what do you think has been the change? Why? I think they don't. I mean, when you look at it like they're. They're getting rid of guys younger and younger. If you're not one of those top five running backs, you're, you know, they're.
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Getting you out of there, bro, 1,000%. And like you said, you know what it is, It's a business. So if you're. They're going to use you up. Rookie contract, the first three years, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully if you stay that the part is that you're expected to get hurt. You know what I'm saying? So the running backs and then you can draft a running back. They say in the second round, the third round, you can get running backs a little bit all over. Jalen Warren, for example, he's a great running back that we didn't draft high, you know what I'm saying? And ended up being able to sign him for the low. So it's messed up. But understanding like Saquon Barclays are going to be the reasons why great running backs that end up just high production. You're going to have to take a shorter term deal with guaranteed money. These two years fully guaranteed joints. If they're doing the two year for getting $15 million a year. Saquon just did a two year for $40 million extension. Now the market the highest paid running back is at $20 million a year. Understand that he got 36 guaranteed. It's going to be more guaranteed a shorter term deal. When you start coming off your rookie contracts and it's just because the you're going to get it's 100% injury in the NFL and they're giving you the ball all the time. So just got to be able to get on that for a little bit shorter term deal and just bet on yourself. It sucks. But it's the NFL. That's the way that they're going and they not trying to. It is a business. So just keep that in perspective. And I love the way the Eagles and Saquon they did it right. You know what I'm saying? Cook and the Bills just these little short term deals with 15, 16, 17, that's solid money. Hopefully like when you get Saquon to put it up to 20, we get another running back that continues. Hopefully balls out Bijon Robinson. Hopefully he can get up there in this next stay healthy, get the 22. So I see it going up but just knowing it's going to be more short term deals with guaranteed money because it's a business. You are a running back they can figure out, they can come get you find somebody coming out of college or get somebody for a little bit less that's going to do production.
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Like when Thurman Thomas played, it was, it was a totally, you know, it was a totally different game. It was, it was, you know, it was run heavy. It was a physical game game and, and you know them guys, you know, play, play, play longer careers because that's what the game was. You had, you had a big, you know, had the big office in line. You had a big defensive line and you went out there and you tried to push the other guy around. You had a big right and if you had, if you had a good running back which you a nice fullback blocking. That's just what the game came to right now. It is a pass heavy game, dude. You know everything they want to do is for scoring. They did things that help changing the rules to make it easier for, for them to score?
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Exactly.
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Yeah. You know, it's offensive based rules for, for the majority of things that's going on.
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Can't touch the quarterbacks they make.
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Yeah, yeah. Again, the wear and tear, you know, on a running back, especially if you're paying one running back that much, it's, it's hard. You know, you got a lot of people who are not a lot of teams. You got a few teams who are now using, you know, a couple guys, you know, and, and finding a way to. Situated to where they can, they can, they can keep both. I think Detroit is one of those people that got it.
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Yes.
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Got a great, you know, two running backs over there that really, you know, complement each other. You got a speed guy, you got a power guy and you know they're having some, some real success, you know, with their run game over there.
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That's the best combination, the best running back combination I think in the league for sure.
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Yeah.
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I got to figure out how they, what their contract situation is too, how much they make in a year because however they finagled that, other teams need to look and see how to finagle that.
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Well, you gotta have, you gotta, here's the thing, I think you gotta have guys who are willing to be like, I know what my worth is and have a realistic number of what their worth is. Although you want to get paid as much as you can at some point, if you're trying to do this to actually make money and for the longevity of it, the longer you can play, the more money you can make. I think having two running backs is more beneficial for a person that is playing, you know, the running back position.
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No, I think so too. You're right. Wear and tear on them half the carries and just seeing like long as that money's looking good for you, you don't have to be the highest person to set the market. But if you comfortable, your family's comfortable, you like your income, stay right there, keep it cruise, you know what I'm saying? So I, I don't think you need to always shake it up. Always try to get out of a situation like that. So I think for sure we're looking at if I'm going to get the ball all the time, they're going to keep punishing me. Is it worth it or am I going to be able to play a little bit longer if I got another dude with me that I'm splitting carries with and we, you know what I'm saying? Both could be here for a while.
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And yeah, like you said, the workhorses go get paid, the money's gonna go up. But as a whole, at that position, you know, it's not. I can, I can get. I can get a guy in here that, you know, he hasn't had multiple surgeries on his knee. You know, he's coming in, you know, fresh out of college. You know, they got the rules set to where these dudes aren't getting beat up like they used. And now he's. And he's hungry, you know what I'm saying? He's ready to get in there and try and take. Right. Try and take your spot. So, you know, it's easier to get that rookie contract. You get him in there for four years, you start looking at the other. The next guy you want, you know, you know, a year or two before you got to get rid of him. I mean, you're looking at the situation right now, like you said with the Steelers. They went and got a. A top, you know, a top running back, and then they went and got another running back. And who's sitting there right now with the contract and who did they let go? This is a prime example of it. What, you know, Thurman is talking about.
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Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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So, speaking of the Steelers, Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady said that Aaron Rodgers is the most talented quarterback in NFL history. He said Aaron in his prime, to me, is the greatest passer of the football the league has ever seen. He could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any player in NFL history. What do you think of those comments?
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B
See, so I'm going to say that I agree. And this is just before, Before I. Even when I was, when I was growing up. This is 2002, 2003. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers, and just from my eye test, it was Peyton Manning and Tom Brady who was the better quarterback. And I've like, in history, like, trying to get the Super Bowls and all that. But with my eye test, I thought Aaron Rodgers threw the prettiest spiral, threw the best pass that I've ever seen in my life. Just the release of it, just the placement, just the way that he threw the ball. And that might not make him the greatest quarterback of all time. With championships and Super Bowls, that's like, that's for other people to debate. But from my eye test, when I was watching my best favorite quarterback I ever seen throw the ball and put it in the spot was Aaron Rodgers. And that is without. Before Tom Brady saying this. This is the way I felt, you know what I'm saying, back in the day. And I would say Tom Brady, greater, Peyton Manning, maybe greater. But with my eye test and how you put the ball in certain spots and spin that joint like that, I've never seen nobody spin it like Aaron Rodgers, in my opinion.
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A
I would. I would agree. I would agree with you and Tom, because the biggest thing for me is the speed at which he gets there with the accuracy that he gets there. Believe me, I've seen it firsthand. And he's throwing this thing, it looks like, with the flick of a wrist, dude, when he was doing it. And it's.
- [26:46]
B
It's on the money and it's spiraling everything.
- [26:49]
A
Yes. It's like. It's like. It's like three. It's like three inches right out of your reach, and nobody can get it but the receiver. You know what I'm saying? And it's coming like lightning. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was impressive.
- [27:02]
B
I've been in situations. That was my first quarterback. I played him in my rookie season when I came out for the Browns. We played Green Bay in Lambeau Field. First game of my career. First preseason game. He went 10 for 10 on us and threw a touchdown. That's when he had, like, Donald Driver. He had Jordy Nelson.
- [27:22]
A
You let him go 10 for 10.
- [27:23]
B
He went 10 for 10, and I'm right there in the pocket, but I can't touch the ball. The receiver can touch the ball.
- [27:29]
A
Bing. Right out of line.
- [27:31]
B
He caught the joint, and then I tackled him. Catch and tackle. But I'm like, oh, my. I'm right here. Why are you still throwing it? Oh, that's a pick. No, it's not. Oh, my God. Right out of my reach. I'm falling, diving for the ball.
- [27:41]
A
But you know who I think was great, like, really great at throwing you out of being able to pick the ball was Tom. Dude. You'd be like, oh, I done broke on this. And he would throw the ball to where it's going over your head to the receiver, over his shoulder, and you just broke. Dude. Yes. Looping it.
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B
Yes, bro. So I know, you know, been the same Jordy Nelson. I'm right there, and I'm like, he threw the fade ball, and I'm right there, and it went right over my hand. I'm like, this dude is unbelievable. He's trying me and I can't touch it. I haven't touched the ball yet.
- [28:15]
A
You couldn't even knock one down, Joe.
- [28:17]
B
I didn't get no PBUs. None. Not one. All completions. They was catching it, and I was tackling them. I was like, oh, my God. Like this right on my hand. Oh, my God. He got it. Tackle, bro. It was crazy.
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A
How many times did you have that game, baby, man?
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B
How many times he threw it on me?
- [28:38]
A
Three.
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B
I had three tackles. That man with three. He went ten for ten. I told you. He went three for three on me. And three good tackles. Boom. Low tackles.
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A
Solid tackles, though.
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B
You made sure no yak.
- [28:52]
A
Zero yak at all. Zero yak.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about, man.
- [28:58]
B
That was. That was crazy. It was.
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A
Where was that at?
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B
It was in Lambeau Field, 2010.
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A
It felt like, to me, dude, he got cold, man.
- [29:08]
B
It was beautiful outside. It was a beautiful day. It was August.
- [29:14]
A
Yeah. He was whipping that thing, man.
- [29:16]
B
He was spinning that ball so well. Yep, yep, yep.
- [29:20]
A
That's. Yeah, that's. That's. That's one of those things you. You can't. You know, it's nothing you do. You can do to defend.
- [29:27]
B
Great. No, no, no. It's not about me. It's about Aaron. It had nothing to do with me.
- [29:33]
A
Yeah, I was all about.
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B
I was a nameless. I was a nameless gray face. I was a nameless gray face. He saw through me that day. He saw through all of us.
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A
Dude. Speaking to do about. None about him or. Or nothing about you. Let's roll over here to Miami, man. I guess. Miam their captains for 2025 season, and there was no Tariq on it. I guess for the first time since 2022, he was not voted a captain. Mike McDonald. And Mike McDonald had a very revealing quote. He said, we were focused on giving the keys to the cap to the captains. So the guys that had earned. Oh, hold on. The guys that had earned it each and every day. That's what speaks to me the most, is the football team that knows who it wants to be led by. Captain C to the guys. I got you. All right. So with that Tariq not being selected, are you surprised? What's your reaction to that?
- [30:49]
B
I ain't gonna lie to you, brother. I'm not. I'm not surprised at all. Did you know. You remember at the end of the season, I'm trying to be out of here. And you know, that could definitely at the end of the season, not only.
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A
Am I trying to be out of here, this man pulled himself out the game in the third quarter.
- [31:05]
B
Come on, Brother. So we acting like, we acting like these are other grown men, these are your teammates that are voting for the captain. They seen that and like they wouldn't. People just not gonna vote for that. You know what I'm saying? They don't feel like you all in. And you said you wasn't all in. I mean, you apologized and everything, but that's cool. You still gonna be able to come in there, they gonna respect you. And as long as you go out there and work, be strong, man. I want you to work. I want you to play every day, be on time for meetings. And when you out there, grind, and when you on the field, grind and try to be the best you can be, be Tyreek. That's all I need. I need nothing. No more, no less. But making you a captain after you said what you said, I'm not going to go in there feeling no type of way, but you can actually speak louder than words. You can show me better than you could tell me. You coming in there, working, grinding, doing what you got to do, leading by example is what it's going to be. But just, it's okay. You're not a captain. I was on the teams where I felt like I was a leader a couple of times that I wasn't a captain. I was never a captain when I was on the Steelers. That's Cam Hayward. Tj. It's going to be a certain amount of captains, so when they come there, then you know you still going to be a valuable part. Just don't be bringing bad vibes. Come in here, do your job, and it's going to be what it is. Maybe next season, if you come in there, show leadership, do what you got to do, then you could be a captain. But you know how that is.
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A
You told us you gotta get part.
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B
They ain't gonna. I'm not voting for you.
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A
Yeah, I think he let, he let his emotional state right then get him into a situation that if he had just sat back and, and had time to cool off and think about it, I don't think he would have did and said the same things at that point. I mean, you go back to it, you know, that's his first time ever not being in the playoffs, bro.
- [32:47]
B
Yeah.
- [32:47]
A
You know, his first time, I believe, having to losing season in the NFL. So I think it was a knee jerk reaction, you know, to a situation that, you know, he saw as a permanent situation that may continue and was just like, yeah, I'm, I'm gonna be out of here.
- [33:09]
B
Do you think?
- [33:10]
A
Do that.
- [33:11]
B
Do you think it's cool, though, that he's not going to be a captain? Do you realize? You understand? You're cool with it.
- [33:16]
A
Okay, I'm one. I'm 100 cool with it, dude. I have no issue with it at all. Like you said, the team voted that. They. They. According to them, the team voted it. They. They made it to where they spoke by who they voted for. And, you know, that. That speaks for itself. It's sometimes where, you know, some teams, you vote, but they end up picking who they want, saying, what you laughing for, Joe?
- [33:48]
B
I mean, you.
- [33:50]
A
You.
- [33:50]
B
That. That. That could be. That could be. Could be, could be.
- [33:54]
A
Yeah. I'm just saying, you know, I've heard. I've heard of it happening.
- [33:57]
B
I heard, I've heard, I've heard. I mean, I've heard, I've heard. I would like to hope that it's like the lottery and it's legit, but you never know.
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A
You. You. You never know unless you see it for yourself, and then you saw it and, you know, so I'm just saying it's some teams that actually do pick who it is, they want to be the leader for their team, and sometimes they disguise it under the, you know, the pretense of that's who the guys pick. Yeah, but it's kind of hard when it comes down to, you know, and guys are like, you pick who. You pick who. Like, who. Who voted for who.
- [34:36]
B
Okay, you saying. You just saying. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm catching what you putting down, you know what I'm saying? But I ain't trying to, you know.
- [34:46]
A
Yeah. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that, you know, that. That happens, so.
- [34:49]
B
Okay. Okay.
- [34:50]
A
Yeah. That's all I was saying. Okay. Yeah, but him not being voted, I mean, he even had, you know, he even understood it, you know.
- [34:56]
B
Yeah.
- [34:57]
A
Accountability, you know, for what he said.
- [34:59]
B
He.
- [34:59]
A
He's not surprised that he wasn't voted captain.
- [35:02]
B
Yeah.
- [35:03]
A
You know, he know he's gonna have to go in there and. And earn these guys, you know, trust back and. And all that. You know, you say that. You're basically saying that you don't want to be with us no more because we trash. Like, you can't. You can't say that because you're not saying, like, us. You're saying, like, it's you, Joe. You're trash. I don't want to be here. I need to get out of here because I can go and do way more without y'. All. You Know what I'm saying? Yeah.
- [35:29]
B
He said, y' all are trash. I've won on other teams. I need to go right. I was in Kansas City. They were better than y'.
- [35:36]
A
All.
- [35:36]
B
I need to go back.
- [35:38]
A
Yes.
- [35:38]
B
That's what they felt like for sure.
- [35:40]
A
Now we skip on over to Dallas, man. Trayvon Diggs has finally came out and defended Micah, saying that he felt everyone in Dallas current locker room like Micah and thinks the rumors likely came from former Cowboys. He said, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there's some former players who are not here no more who didn't like Micah. There was a lot of us. I would say there was a lot of. I would say hate, jealousy, envy towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field. Imagine if you came in here and you're thinking and you're taking somebody else, so you're taking somebody's shine or taking somebody's spot. You're not going to like that. They're going to feel a type of way, especially if you're that type of person. Oh, that sound like shots fired. It. Does he name any names? But, I mean, do you think this was referring to DeMarcus Lawrence?
- [36:51]
B
Oh, I mean, that sounds. That sounds about right.
- [36:55]
A
They were saying somebody's spot. They was. I don't. I'm just asking a question. I ain't.
- [37:03]
B
Look, that's why I. I don't know. I don't.
- [37:06]
A
I.
- [37:06]
B
My name Bennett and I ain't in it.
- [37:08]
A
But I mean, the descriptions of what he's saying, it says, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there's some former players who are not here no more who didn't like Micah. There was a lot of, I would say, hate, jealousy, envy. Those are personal words towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field. So imagine if you came in here and you're taking somebody's shine. So he took somebody. He was taking somebody's shine. Right. And taking somebody's spot. You're not going to like that, right?
- [37:51]
B
No.
- [37:51]
A
You're going to feel a type of way, especially if you're that type of person. Now he's saying that person is that type of person, too. So I don't. I'm just asking a question to you, like, do you think he was referring to anybody in specific? Maybe DeMarcus Lawrence or you, I don't know. Did you think yes or no?
- [38:14]
B
This, this, this.
- [38:15]
A
What could it possibly be?
- [38:17]
B
I. That's what I'm saying.
- [38:19]
A
I.
- [38:19]
B
It's it sounds like he's talking about somebody to play defensive end because he said taking his spot.
- [38:25]
A
Right?
- [38:25]
B
So if we don't go from there, dissect previous defensive end that did there, I would say I love Trevon Diggs coming out because nobody's really came out in defense of Michael Parsons. I know that these dudes kick it, they hang out. That's his boy. So from Treyvon's perspective, it could be literally what it is. Like, that's my man's. We cool. Treyvon also has his bag and knows that Michael Parsons out there balling deserves his bag. He's been playing with me. We've been doing this together. So he's out there, I think, trying to defend for his mans. I don't know of the person that's not on the team anymore, but it sounds like another defensive end that was there that maybe Debo say. It's like, yeah, obviously, you know what I'm saying? Like, the same situation when we have. It's like you and TJ come in where he's like, they not. Maybe they didn't tell DeMarcus. Maybe they tried to play with him a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Like, they tried to play with you and TJ a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's probably. Probably how it was. And DeMarcus don't play that. So he's probably vocalize how he felt, you know what I'm saying? And I think that some of that stuff, it doesn't have nothing to do with maybe Micah and Micah and his relationship as much as he thinks with DeMarcus and the Cowboys organization, you know what I'm saying? He might have talked to them, maybe not rocking. Oh, you drafted this dude. What do y' all think is going on? I'm just trying to go from devil's advocate because there's always two sides of the story. I don't know what happened with Micah. I don't know what happened with Demarcus with Trayvon, what he's saying. I'm just trying to put pieces of the puzzle, but I just sounded like.
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A
Yeah, the puzzle kind of. It kind of fitting, you know, the pieces is fitting, you know, when you line it up. So I think it's a possibility. Will I give a definite yes or no? No, I can't do that. No, that's not.
- [40:18]
B
We can't do that. That would be. That would not be.
- [40:21]
A
That would be disingenuous.
- [40:23]
B
A thousand percent to the argument. Come on, Debo.
- [40:26]
A
Right Exactly. So now speaking of Michael Parsons, Dan Campbell said. Dan Campbell, we know what kind of player Michael Parsons is. We'll have a plan. Does Michael Parsons put the packers over the Lions in the NFC north, do you think?
- [40:45]
B
I mean, I mean it helps him out a lot. I mean, I, I don't see, I don't see why not. I mean, the, the packers are not a bad team. Jordan Love has been playing really good. They beat. They've been, they did, they did good last season. And with just adding another defensive player, that's going to help out their secondary, that's going to help out their pass rush. And I don't think they have nowhere to go but up. Since Jordan Love with another year under his belt, he's done nothing but prove to me that he can, he can actually be a franchise quarterback. So with, if he can be a franchise quarterback and Michael Parsons can help that defense out because they, they, they don't look bad. They look like they're on up and up. They're drafting well, they're moving in the right direction. So packers are up for me and like I said before I seen them, they made a Reggie White trade with a quarterback, they made a Charles Wilson trade with the quarterback and now they got Jordan Love and then they made this Michael Parsons trade. I'm liking them dudes knowing when they need to get a crazy piece on defense because they have a franchise quarter that. So I think the packages look like they know what they're doing.
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A
Yeah, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to go with. I think it puts the packers as the, the, the, the guys in NFC north right now. You added in a pass rusher. The games that, you know, they've played over the last year or two have been close games. When you take into account, you know, that the Lions, I believe, lost their O and D coordinator to head coaching positions. You got to change right there. You got Hutchinson coming back off of, you know, messing up his leg.
- [42:22]
B
Yeah.
- [42:23]
A
Build that confidence back at going out there. Especially, you know, how he, you know, ended up messing his leg up. He swung around. So you got to get used to it.
- [42:32]
B
How long that's going to take.
- [42:34]
A
I, I hit and swing around is, you know, he's back full 100. But to get out there in live action when those bodies are flying ground is a little different. But I think, you know, having Micah there and you add him in there with the current defensive line that they have, I think it, it puts them over the top. These three point games, you Know that, that, that's going to go ahead and actually change where it's a sack fumble now. Yeah, that, that, that three point game can be a switch from, you know, a loss to a win of three points or, or six points or seven points, whatever that may be.
- [43:12]
B
Yeah, game changer.
- [43:15]
A
Yes, definite game changer. Like there's no question about it. Yeah.
- [43:22]
B
So now let's get back to our Steelers then.
- [43:25]
A
Okay. What you want, what you want? What you want to hit?
- [43:27]
B
Tell me what I want to talk about. Your man, Adam Scheffler. Schefter is talking about Cam Hayward maybe sitting out for the season opener.
- [43:38]
A
Cam sitting off for the season. What's going on over there?
- [43:41]
B
I don't, I think he got two.
- [43:43]
A
Years left on his contract, don't he?
- [43:45]
B
He just signed a two year extension. He got two more years left. I think he signed it. He signed a two year extension last off season which gave him this year and next year for contracts. So he got this year. Oh, he has a deal for next year. So last off season signed a two year extension. Cause he only had one year left on his deal. So then he played that and now he has this one and next year from the extension he signed last year. Yeah.
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A
So he did set out a portion of training camp and didn't rule out sitting in the start of the regular season until he gets what he wants. Hayward was practicing with the team on Monday, which suggests he's going to play. But Adam Scheffner says there's still a possibility Cam Hayward doesn't suit up. They're not, they haven't, they have not been able to figure it out. And so I would think it's going to be really interesting to see if Cam Hayward is on the practice field on Wednesday as the Steelers get ready for their see as the Steelers get ready to open their season on Sunday against the jets, it's about to get interesting there and again maybe Cam Hayward says I'm not going to play on this deal. It didn't sound that way earlier in the summer, but we'll find out what the deal look like.
- [45:13]
B
Joe, the deal was two years, 29 million. So first year this season he'll. This year he'd be making 14.7 and next year he'd be making like 14.2. So, so I think he's looking. I mean I love the Steelers because I mean this is going to be. Cam's going to new year, what, 13 year, 13, 14. So I mean his production and everything. I understand what he's Saying has not slipped. So there's defensive tackles. I think the. I think it's up there. Well, defense, we got defensive ends, obviously now $47 million a year with Micah Parsons. We got TJ White at 41. We got Miles Garrett at 40. And he's kind of looking at it with him making 14.7 Pro Bowls and all that stuff, like, just like maybe they don't deserve double what I'm getting. I mean, maybe they deserve double of what I'm getting, not triple. So he's making 14.6. Maybe Cam just wants a little $6 million bonus, you know what I'm saying, to make it around 20 million. But he did sign the extension. I could see where the Steelers are coming from, where a man came. This is going to be year 13, year 14. We got 14.7. We got 14 point the next two.
- [46:24]
A
Years.
- [46:27]
B
We'Re giving you real bread. So I can see where they coming from. And then with Cam as the player, as production wise, what he has done is a little up from what his. What his contract is making, but you can see how it's a little bit of both. This is, this is like his fifth contract with the Steelers. And it's not bad deal. Like defensive tackle on year 13, 14, making 14, 7, 14, 2. That's. Those are good numbers. Those are good numbers. You know what I'm saying? So it's not a disrespectful thing. But for Cam being the player, knowing this is going to be kind of his way out, trying to get as much as he possibly can because it is a business. He knows if he was playing bad, they might have did some other stuff. They could have just let him slide, you know what I'm saying? But he knows the reason why he is still there is because of his production. It's not no friendly stuff. It is because, you know what I'm saying, I'm performing on the field.
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A
So, yeah, I just. I don't know what it is that makes me think that he's not going to sit out unless I tell you what I see Cam sitting out. Only if in his head he's saying, I'll retire if you don't give me what I want. That's the only way I see him sitting out. Because if you sit out, like you got two years on your deal, what you go do, sit out till it's over with for a couple years. Yeah, and I think the only way he. He would sit out is if the thought process is if I don't get what I Want, I'm not going to play for this and I'll just retire because it's not worth it. Need to do it at this number and put my body through whatever it is that I need to do.
- [48:09]
B
Yeah.
- [48:09]
A
To get ready and stay ready for the season. That's the only way I see him, actually he kind of playing this year.
- [48:18]
B
Is that he says that sounds like. That sounds like a, like, like an Aaron Donald. Like an Aaron Donald knowing end of the day he can walk away unless he gets. Unless he gets the number he wants. If he doesn't feel like $14 million a year, touching taxes of 8 million to go to his thing where he's like, no, I should be making 20, I could tuck 10, 11, like $12 million, you know what I'm saying? After this season, then it's just really, he's good. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that sounds crazy to say, but being able to be in Cam and be in the position that he is, like with his body, with his family not wanting to do it, that would be, I think like you said, that'd be the way. Being able to sit out and be like this. I'm willing to walk away, but I think Cam's still ready to play, still wants to go. And if you do play Cam, you still got another 30 M's, you know what I'm saying, coming in these next two seasons. So I will hunker down.
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A
Yeah, I would. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. I did it for way less, baby. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't trying to count anything else, but what, you know, was good enough for me to go out there and, and play and be okay with it. So.
- [49:27]
B
A thousand percent. And that's. That's, that's on what, that's. And that's on Cam. He. He knows, he knows this number. He knows what's gonna make him good and what he feels like he deserves. So more power to him. Cause that's my good man. He a baller. He gonna. Hopefully everything works out. For sure.
- [49:40]
A
Hopefully it works out. You know, even if it don't, hopefully it still works out. You know what I'm saying?
- [49:45]
B
Look, we'd be talking about my man taking 14, 7 or getting some more money. So it's just, It's a win. Win.
- [49:51]
A
No question. So Matthew Stafford will start the season opener against the. Against the Texans. Will Stafford finish the season as he deals with the aggravated disc in his back?
- [50:07]
B
I don't know. I Don't know. I love Matthew Stafford, man. I played against him since he was at Georgia and I was at Florida. He had AJ Green there, so we had some battles ever since 2008, so that. I love his game. He also has a cannon of an army. Great competitor, plays hurt, you know what I'm saying? Like, I really, really love his game. But, you know, that thing that. That. That health, that thing is always going to catch up, but you can't nobody run away from that. So I think as long as his line tries to keep him upright, but he's a gangster, he gonna stay in the pocket, he gonna stare down the barrel. So, I mean, it's just. I don't know, Depending on what it looks like, I don't know.
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A
I think as long as he doesn't have a catastrophic event where it, like, just totally herniates, he'll be able to make it. Because I myself went through a whole 14 weeks, all the way up to the super bowl, where I had herniated this in my. In my back. And it was the year we. It was the year we ended up losing to Green Bay in the. In the Super Bowl. So I'm sitting there, dude, and, you know, as the. As the beginning of the week goes on, you know, I'm taking the tee shot, and the tee shot would make it go away, so I would play. You know, my first game, it was cool. You know, second game was a cool third game. I took the tee shot, and I'm like, yo, I can still feel something. So I believe it was the fourth game came along, and it wasn't touching it no more. I'm like, yo, like, y' all gotta check out what's going on. I'm getting these pains down my legs. Like, you know, I'm getting a sciatic pain. I'm getting this stinging pain in my. In my Achilles, you know, all that. And, you know, it got to the point to where, you know, I was playing, and I go to step on that foot to turn the corner, dude, My whole leg just, boom, gone.
- [52:05]
B
Oh, no.
- [52:07]
A
Right? So they did an mri. They do the mri. I go in and they're like, get the MRI report. And doc, like, yo, you need to come in. So I go in, and he's testing me out, and he's like, james, you know, just looking at your back, you know, I would say that you. You need to have something done right now. He said, but you. You know, you testing out strong and all that. And I'm like, yeah, I'm strong when I'M strong, but when it ain't, it's gone.
- [52:34]
B
Yeah.
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A
You know what I'm saying? So basically, it was an option of get the surgery now. You're out six weeks, right? Or get the surgery after the season. So I'm like, well, let's just get the surgery now, man. You know what I'm saying? Okay, well, end up talking to, you know, I guess the. The training staff and everything else and whatever, and they're like, well, let's just go until, you know, you can't. You can't go anymore. Right? So I'm like, all right, cool. I'm like, I'm willing to do it anyway, you know what I'm saying? I want. I want to play. I want to win. I want to help my team, you know what I'm saying? Because I looked at my dudes as family, you know what I'm saying? That's 100.
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B
What year was this?
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A
This was 2010, man. But the year. The year they. The year before, they locked us out. So I go and I'm playing and, dude, I had two times where, you know, I had one time they had to come get me. I couldn't get out the bed, bro. I had two times where I actually got a epidural, dude.
- [53:36]
B
On, like a pregnancy epidural?
- [53:39]
A
Yes. So they. They take. They take and they do it, you know, fluoroscope guided, and they go to the site where the disc is, and they inject cortisone and some numbing stuff. Sorry, cortisone? Yeah, cortisone is some numbing stuff. So when they hit it, it's like, boom. I'm like, oh. Because it's taking that pressure off of the nerve that the disc is pressing on. So it was my. It was my S1 L5 L5 L4. It was my lumbar, so it was pressing all those nerves. So I was getting a sciatic. And that's why, you know, a couple times my leg just dropped. Give out on, you know, so I lose. Lose power and all that. Yeah, yeah. So I go and I, you know, I play through it, you know.
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B
You played the whole season with that, being able to go.
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A
I played. I played. Yeah, I played 12 weeks with it, being able to. And I also was getting a lot of soft tissue work, so I was doing things like, you know, I was getting dry needled, so I was getting my pair of spinals needle, which is the muscles in between your. Your spine, to make sure that, you know, I was able to keep that as loose as possible. So it didn't squeeze down on that nerve. Right.
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B
What was your practice schedule like?
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A
Did you practice normal, bro?
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B
Practice normal?
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A
I practiced normal. I didn't. I didn't change nothing about my practice, bro. Like, I. Like, I love to practice because I'm not a person that could sit there and look at a scheme. I need to be out there doing it. I need to feel what I'm gonna get.
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B
No, no. For sure.
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A
So I go through. I go through that. That. That whole thing, man, I get through the season, and we get done. We lose the super bowl, right? So I'm sitting there, and I'm like, okay. They like, well, you know, let's go ahead and do the surgery now. I'm like, you know, know, let's hold off. You said it's a possibility that it could retract back, whatever, right? So they're like, ah, well, they're about to lock us out. I don't know if you want to wait that long. And, you know, it's kind of close to the nerves that control your bowel and bladder function. I say, what that mean? Well, you get piss and poop on yourself.
- [55:45]
B
I thought it meant I'm like, so you gotta do this.
- [55:48]
A
Y' all ain't tell me this.
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B
I could have been telling me back.
- [55:53]
A
12 weeks ago, like, come on. So ended up getting the surgery. And here's the crazy thing. It's like, I know my body so well, bro, that I'm sitting there and I'm like, seven days out of surgery, and I'm like, doc, hey, something ain't right. I'm still feeling a little. A little something on there there. Like, oh, it might be, you know, trying to say, oh, it might be swelling or whatever. I'm like, no, it ain't swelling. I know my body, man. It's not. So they had me go do another mri. He come back in. He said, yeah, we got to go back in. We ain't get it all. So what?
- [56:28]
B
They missed Debo.
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A
They had to go up another level. He was trying to be conservative and keep as much diss in there as he could, but he couldn't, so he went back in. So I had two back surgeries in nine days and didn't do none of my therapy with the team because they locked us out. So I did all my therapy with my trainer in Arizona. You know what I'm saying?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I. Dude, I think that was the best thing that ever happened.
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B
He took care of you?
- [56:59]
A
Yes, definitely, dude. Definitely. I know guys that had it done, and I think one or two guys had it done the same year I did, and neither one of them played more than two more years after that, I played another seven. So, you know, I did the right thing to take care of my body, to make sure that I actually helped fix what was causing the issue. It's like a lot of guys who go and have these knee issues and they say, oh, well, you know, it's just wear and tear. Well, it ain't wearing tear. It's probably a muscle. Especially when it's in your knee. It's a muscle that's somewhere in your quad, your hamstring, even in your calf that's not firing the same. So if you fix that firing of the mechanism of the muscle, the knee now works in that same groove correctly, and you don't get to wear and tear. But what they do is they treat the symptom. The symptom is that it's now not moving correctly. And the symptom is it's now shaving off cartilage. So what do they do? They go in there, drain your knee, or they scope it down instead of actually fixing the problem.
- [58:03]
B
Putting band aids on stuff.
- [58:05]
A
Right, right, right. So I think it's a possibility, as long as he has a. A good team behind him, that he could. He. He could finish the year, like I said, bearing any real, you know, catastrophic, you know, thing that would cause it to actually totally herniate or. God, that's just.
- [58:27]
B
Man, that's. That's his left tackle making sure he don't get blown by. And he.
- [58:32]
A
Matthew, so easy to get that back.
- [58:36]
B
Blown out from telling you, man, that quarter, man, the quickest way Matthew staff would be out of there as a blind side.
- [58:41]
A
So Vegas has Lamar Jackson as the top for the mvp. Eyes reigning MVP Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and their. I can't see that word. Hairs beneath beyond him are plus 600 and Patrick Mahomes rounding out the top four at plus 650. Ooh, is this the year Lamar Jackson puts it all together. Not only wins the mvp, but puts up the Lombardi Trophy, brother. What do you think?
- [59:18]
B
So, you know, obviously we in the north play for the Steelers.
- [59:22]
A
That's why I'm saying no, I'm hating the Browns.
- [59:24]
B
I know you gonna hate.
- [59:26]
A
I'm gonna hate.
- [59:28]
B
I'm from Maryland, you know what I'm saying? So honestly, this is my thing. Patrick Mahomes has so many of the rings. He's controlling the AFC North. I love him. I love Patrick Mahomes too. He's A good man, him and Trav. But what I want is Lamar. I just don't want people to keep disrespecting Lamar's greatness. And I don't think if he doesn't get a Super bowl ring, then people won't understand how great Lamar Jackson really is and what he's really doing in this league. So, I mean, he's going to MVP odds every season, regular season. They're going to ball out. Lamar Jackson has his legs. He's quick, he's fast. He's going to do Lamar Jackson things the whole season. And they got a solid defense, too.
- [60:07]
A
You think he's going to get that Lombardi this year?
- [60:13]
B
I thought for real, it was last year. So this year I'm going to say no. I thought last year was the year they look so good. I had. I was. I was honestly quietly rooting. I was rooting for him. I was rooting for Lamar. But then last year when I was like this, what happened? It just did. It just didn't happen.
- [60:30]
A
Yeah, it seemed like they get into the playoffs and it's health issues with guys not being there, and then they just unravel. I don't know.
- [60:37]
B
And I don't know what it is.
- [60:38]
A
I don't know what's going on on it for him. I don't. Yeah. But I ain't gonna lie. I. I would rather anybody else win it except for Cleveland, Cincinnati or Baltimore.
- [60:52]
B
I was. Okay. I know what you're saying, but I. I know what you say, bro.
- [60:57]
A
I'm hating. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I think, man, you gotta be honest.
- [61:02]
B
Be honest. Obviously, you don't want them to win.
- [61:05]
A
No question.
- [61:06]
B
No question, bro.
- [61:07]
A
No question. Listen, like we. Like I said, we bought out of time, man. Want to thank you guys for joining us for this podcast of Debo and Joe. Hit the like button. Subscribe. We'll be back. Had it on Friday.
- [61:24]
B
We'll be back Friday. Make sure you subscribe to Debo and Joe or I'm gonna have Debo.
- [61:32]
A
Yo, I don't even know what this is, but I think that's my son's way of putting up three. Now, I told him to put it up like that, but I don't know if he listened. But this is three now. I seen it in a movie where it got a dude killed because he was supposed to put up three, but he put up three like this. And they knew that that wasn't the right three, because that area, they put up three like this. So they knew he was a spy. Got shot up. All right, now, y' all have a good one. We'll get back to you on Friday. Peace.