Best Guest Moments 2025 Part 3: Jim Jones, Sterling Sharpe, Quinshon Judkins

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Best Guest Moments 2025 Part 3 — Jim Jones, Sterling Sharpe, Quinshon Judkins

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media
Date: December 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay spotlights some of the standout guest moments from the past year, blending sports legacy with music industry insight and the experience of a young NFL star. Shannon Sharpe (with prominent support from Ocho Cinco/Chad Johnson and Stephen A. Smith) welcomes legendary receiver Sterling Sharpe as he reflects on his Hall of Fame journey, hip-hop icon Jim Jones discusses the evolution and competitiveness of rap, and Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins opens up about his transition into the NFL. The episode features heartfelt tributes, passionate debates, and playful competitive banter that epitomizes the show’s unique tone.

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Key Discussions & Segments

Sterling Sharpe’s Hall of Fame Reflections

[04:41–21:40]

• Surreal Induction Experience: Sterling Sharpe opens up about entering the Pro Football Hall of Fame, expressing humility and surprise at the honor.
  • “I never wanted to be in the Hall of Fame. I never expected to... This is not something I asked for.” — Sterling Sharpe [05:47]
• Family & Brotherhood: Sterling reveals deep family ties, with Shannon Sharpe recounting how Sterling paved the way for his career.
  • “The only man I've ever wanted to be was him. He was my hero. He was my role model. He taught me to shoot a basketball. He taught me to throw a football. He taught me how to catch.” — Shannon Sharpe [10:17]
• Emotional Moments: Both brothers get candid about the sacrifices, hardships, and love in their relationship.
  • “If you would have played longer, there's no question in my mind that we would be the first brothers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.” — Shannon Sharpe, recalled by Sterling [19:10]
• Indelible Legacy: Sterling underscores the significance of being recognized for on-field achievements despite not having played as long as others.

Notable Quotes

• “It's not how fast you can get here, it's how long you can stay.” — Quinshon Judkins [75:53, during his later segment]

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Jim Jones: The Evolution & Spirit of Hip-Hop

[24:30–63:44]

• Music Industry Evolution: Jim Jones describes how hip hop has evolved since his early days, reflecting on the rise of social media, changing promotional methods, and the need to constantly adapt.
  • “The industry has changed tremendously… these kids got a bit of an advantage with marketing and promo that we didn’t have.” — Jim Jones [24:56]
• Reinvention & Longevity: He emphasizes the importance of reinventing oneself to both teach and learn from younger artists, stressing discipline and openness.
• State of Hip Hop: Addresses generational divides and the ever-changing soundscape, encouraging current youth to innovate while respecting the competitive nature of the game.
  • “I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can. As long as it's connecting with the crowd…who am I to say I don’t like that music when they out here spanking?” — Jim Jones [28:13]
• Rap as Competition: Discusses the tradition of lyrical competition, beefs, and how social media amplifies rivalry.
  • “Rap is built on that. This is what the art of rap is about. It’s a very competitive sport, and you gotta be ready to be on top of your game when it comes to that.” — Jim Jones [31:39]
• Debate over Legendary Status: Engages in playful, fiery debate about being “better than Nas,” standing firmly on the importance of self-belief and braggadocio in hip hop.
  • “I will run circles around Nas rapping, right now. Right now.” — Jim Jones [45:23]
• Business, Giving Back, & Philanthropy: Shares pride in expanding beyond music into business and philanthropy.
  • “Music is just probably the smallest fraction of my life…my biggest attribute is my giving back.” — Jim Jones [60:11]

Notable Moments

• Banter with Stephen A. Smith: Spirited back-and-forths over gym workouts, musical prowess, and street credibility, serving up hilarious bravado and friendly challenges.
  • “You want to run sprints, you want to run routes?... You just want to stay in the gym? I got a bad hamstring, and I still give you work.” — Jim Jones [53:43]
• Unique Analogy: On competition: “Our whole attitude is spades all day.” — Jim Jones [64:40]

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Quinshon Judkins: Rookie Spotlight

[66:06–79:15]

• NFL Transition: Cleveland Browns rookie running back Quinshon Judkins discusses the “surreal” jump from college to NFL and what it means to his family.
  • “It’s been more so surreal, not only for myself, but for my family to get to experience everything...” — Quinshon Judkins [66:30]
• Competitive Drive: Shares why he made key career decisions, focusing on competition over money.
  • “For me, it wasn’t about that [money]. I’m a competitor. I’m trying to go out and win games as much as possible.” — Quinshon Judkins [68:01]
• Carrying the Offense: Recognizes his role as a bell cow in the Browns’ offense and the responsibility that comes with it.
  • “As you go, the rest of the team goes. Do you quite understand that just yet?” — Ocho Cinco [69:07]; Judkins replies with humility and ambition.
• Rookie Mentality: Stresses discipline and the importance of what’s done “when nobody is looking.”
  • “Discipline is doing what you should do versus what you want to do.” — Stephen A. Smith [73:03]
• Preparation & Mindset: Details staying mentally sharp and motivated through adversity, leaning on guidance from veterans, and staying focused on long-term success.
  • “It’s not how fast you can get here, it's how long you can stay.” — Quinshon Judkins [75:53]
• Locker Room Harmony: Affirms team unity despite quarterback competition.

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Standout Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [10:17] Shannon Sharpe: “The only man I've ever wanted to be was him. He was my hero. He was my role model.”
• [24:56] Jim Jones: “The industry has changed tremendously.... these kids got a bit of an advantage when it comes to marketing and promo that we didn’t have.”
• [28:13] Jim Jones: “I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can. As long as it's connecting with the crowd and the people are singing your shit — who am I to say I don't like that music...”
• [31:39] Jim Jones: “Rap is built on that. This is what the art of rap is about. It’s a very competitive sport.”
• [45:23] Jim Jones: (on Nas) “I will run circles around Nas rapping, right now. Right now.”
• [73:03] Stephen A. Smith: “Discipline is doing what you should do versus what you want to do.”
• [75:53] Quinshon Judkins: “It’s not how fast you can get here, it’s how long you can stay.”

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Notable Interactions & Tone

• Playful Bravado: The episode is full of “locker room” energy, exemplified by challenges to gym duels and rap battles — “Bring your mouth and your body to Harlem.” — Jim Jones [55:06]
• Brotherhood & Recognition: Emotional acknowledgment of the Sharpe brothers’ achievements and influence.
• Competitiveness as a Virtue: For both athletes and artists, faith in self and fearlessness in competition are recurring messages.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:41]–[21:40]: Sterling Sharpe’s Hall of Fame journey and Shannon Sharpe tributes
• [24:30]–[63:44]: Jim Jones on hip-hop, reinvention, and friendly rivalry (highlights at [28:13], [31:39], [45:23])
• [66:06]–[79:15]: Quinshon Judkins on becoming an NFL star, maintaining discipline, and team culture

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Final Thoughts

This episode merges personal triumph, competitive ethos, and multi-generational perspectives on greatness in sports and music. The tone is authentic, humorous, and at times deeply moving, making it a must-listen for fans of football, hip-hop, or anyone looking for inspiration on reaching the top — and staying there.

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Club Shay Shay: Where legacies are honored, bars are set (and sometimes spit), and real talk reigns.

Transcript

[Jim Jones]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey what they do hall of Fam. When they do hall of Famer.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Where'd jordan go?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man, y' all clap it up. Memphis, Sterling, Sharp, man. What they do, baby?

[Jim Jones]

Good to see you, sir. No, no, no, no.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Get back like you were.

[Jim Jones]

Yeah.

[Sterling Sharpe]

My knees bad. No, my knees bad. Thank you very much. It's been a long day and even longer trying to get here from over there, but thank you for staying. Hopefully we can get you out of here shortly because I got to get up early in the morning again, but a tremendous day. It's an honor and a pleasure to follow that guy for. For a change and. And being the first brothers inducted into the Pro Football hall of Fame.

[Jim Jones]

Don't you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Don't you cry up here. Don't do that. I want to know. You have to tell me. Tell the people out here. Understanding and knowing all you've been through, where y' all come from, what it took to make it to the NFL, the struggles, having to lead a game early, what this night means to you.

[Sterling Sharpe]

It's. It's kind of interesting. Och, because I never wanted to be in the hall of Fame. I never expected to. To be in the hall of Fame. This is not something I asked for. This is not something I wish for. This is not something I prayed for, because when I left the game, the only thing anybody ever talked about is what I didn't do. Now, I'm okay with that. I am. I'm okay with what I. I put on film. I'm okay with that. But. So I never had any expectations. This is not like Christmas to. Where, you know, you want a skateboard or you want a bike or you want them pair of Jordans. This isn't like that. So for me, today is kind of interestingly surreal because I didn't want this. This is not something I wished on myself. But, you know, being there and seeing my friends that are in the hall of Fame that were more excited than seemed like I am right now, but they were genuinely happy. My good friend Terrell Owens, I. I hope I'm not. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong by putting Terrell's business in the street. But to cry to. And I go way, way, way back to the. Before he even got in the lead. And he was so happy for me that. That he and I had a. Had about a good 45 second moment to where we just kind of. We kind of got wrapped up in each other and the history and the time and all that. So it's. It's been a really good day. Ouch. But let me tell you, I. I haven't gotten there yet. It's gonna. It's gonna take a little more time to get there.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Congratulations.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Thank you. Thank you. And I know, hey, it's been a long time since you seen that guy speechless over there.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know, your little brother loves you, man.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Yes, he does.

[Quinshon Judkins]

When he talks about you, he talks about the man that the only man that he's ever hoped to be the measure up to, because he knows he couldn't do it. And anybody that knows you and anybody that knows him knows how he feels about you. Me personally. You know how much love I've always had for you.

[Jim Jones]

No doubt.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let us get some tissue now. We need some tissue up here.

[Stephen A. Smith]

For those of you who might be.

[Jim Jones]

Too young to remember.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We religiously talk about Jerry Rice being the greatest receiver in NFL history. Those who know football before to. Before Randy Moss, we would all mention him because he was that sensational of a wide receiver. He was big time. And so to then watch you transition.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Into the business before your brother did.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You did a hell of a job.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Talking the game of football, teaching the game of football, working with cats in.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The industry and showing us the way.

[Quinshon Judkins]

As well, and had that pedigree.

[Jim Jones]

There's so many people that followed that.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Played in the NFL and now doing television. You were doing it before most and you were doing exceptionally well.

[Jim Jones]

And so for me to see you have this day.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Thank you.

[Quinshon Judkins]

It's well deserved and I'm just happy for you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's long overdue.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Jim Jones]

But it's here.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Congratulations.

[Jim Jones]

Congratulations.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I think the thing is why I get so emotional and people ask why. I said, because I had GPS to get to where I going, because I had to follow him. You see, he did what he did with no navigational system. He had no map quest, he had no Google, he had no instructional manual. I had all of that because I got to walk in his footsteps. A lot of what I learned, almost everything that I learned, I learned from him. My grandfather was very, very hard on my brother. And I didn't understand why until my grandmother said, barney, why are you so hard on Spanky? That's what they call. We call him. He said, mary, everything that little one is going to learn, he's going to learn it from him. It's his job because we're not going to be around Mary Long. It's his job to teach him how to be a man. It's his job to teach him right from wrong. He's gonna follow everything that he does because that's what he sees all the time for my brother to do what he's done with no guidance, with no instruction manual to get to where he got to get me to where I got. You guys have heard me say the only man I've ever wanted to be was him. He was my hero. He was my role model. He taught me to shoot a basketball. He taught me to throw a football. He taught me how to catch. He taught me how to tie my shoes. I'm not the man that's sitting before you today. I watched everything that he did. I hung on everything that he said.

[Jim Jones]

And.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And then you heard me tell this story that he. He's only three years older than I, but he's more like my father. My sister's eight years older. She's more like my mother. Because everything that they did did was what a mother and a father would do for a child. I'm not here. I'm not the man that I am. I'm not the person that I am. I'm not the friend that I am. I'm not the father that I am. Without seeing how he did things. He's. We're brothers. We're a lot alike, but we're very different because I've always had to fight. Everything came so easy to him. I was so small. Called me Peewee. And I just. I could never understood. I never understood why I couldn't beat him in certain things. He was always prouder of things that I did as opposed to what he accomplished. He was much more happy when I got drafted than he did. He went first pick in the seventh round. I mean, first. The seventh pick in the first round. I went seventh round. 192. He was so excited. He would just call and say. I mean, he just. And y' all don't know what this moment means, not just to our family. My mom is going to be extremely excited. I'm extremely excited. A high school coach who coached my mom who also coached here, and I. Bro, this is a bad God.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Heard prayers.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I didn't even know he was listening to. There'll be a time that you and I'll have a conversation. We'll talk, mapping everything out. Guests that you want to bring and the party and the entertainment that you want. Bro, I've said it before. We give every dime. Take myself out of the hall just for you to be in. I measure my life in summers. I don't say years, say I think I pretty got. Hopefully pretty healthy. I got 20, 20 summers left. I'm good now. I'm good. Love you. There's only two men guys I've ever told that I love my son, my brother. It was so hard to keep this a secret. Stephen A. When I got the call and I had to get him to come to my home and they wanted to go do it in Glenville, I said, bro, I hadn't been to Glenville in 13 years. He gonna know something up if I tell him to come down there so I can lured him to the house. Still, he hadn't seen me in my home in six years. So if I call and I tell him to meet me somewhere, he's gonna think something's wrong. Like, what's up, bro?

[Jim Jones]

He's like, what's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

What's up? I said, man, just come to the house. He's like, I'm in town. He's like, you all right? I said, yeah, bro, I'm good. I'm good. I just, you know, I'm in town and, you know, you close by. And he had surgery on his eye. He had a detached retina. He had a bubble placed in his eye. He almost lost division in his eye about three months ago and said he had some. Some blurred vision in his eye. And he went to the doctor, and the doctor said, we got to perform surgery. They couldn't perform surgery that afternoon because he had already eaten. So they got him in the next morning. So that's what we've been dealing with. Had a lot on my plate dealing with that, because I worry I'm the worrier of the family. I think that's my responsibility now. But, bro, I'm so happy. I'm so proud of you.

[Sterling Sharpe]

I'm getting there. It's. It's hard to explain because you don't want to put your emotions on someone else, but you, you know, and I think that the easiest way to explain it is we've all experienced, I think, Christmas. You have a list, and you're hoping that you could get two, three, or four of those things. I never wished for this. I. I never wanted this. And. And I said it tonight out loud for the first time. And the reporter was like, what do you mean you never. I'm like, man, you don't understand. I only wanted to do one thing, and that was play. I didn't want to be an all Pro or Pro Bowler or all that. I just wanted to play. And I got to do that for seven years, and I'm good. And then the hall of Fame comes around, and they're like, okay, you've been out five years. You know, Sterling Sharp is on the list of 25.

[Jim Jones]

You know, it would be.

[Sterling Sharpe]

He would be a shoe in if he played longer. But they never talked about what I did. And I was like, if it wasn't enough, wasn't enough. I'm okay with that. I slept real good before I found out I was going to the hall of Fame, and I slept good after finding out, but. But I really didn't have any. Any aspirations on winding this. It is a tremendous honor. I know exactly what that means. I went through it with him, and that was the greatest athletic achievement of my entire life. Was going on that journey with him through the hall of Fame. Me going in will not exceed when he went in. It won't do it. It's not going to come close. That was probably the happiest I'd ever been because I knew where he came from. Going to Savannah State, a college. He said he wasn't gonna go. That's one of the times that I told him what he was going to do. So I knew how hard he fought. And, I mean, there's not a lot of opportunities for us in sports to.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Where.

[Sterling Sharpe]

I know what Stephen A's journey was like to get here, or I know what Chad's journey was like to get here. I know what his journey was like, and all my prayers were for him. I'll embarrass him about one story. I paid all his bills. He was in the NFL. I paid all his bills until my daughter was born, because that was mine, because I wanted him to always have better than what I had. He had a Mercedes before I did. He couldn't afford one, but he was driving one. And then he wanted to go to a beach party, and he drove my new one and wrecked it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

A junkyard. He junk.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Yeah, that's what he said. I junkyard your car, dog. Wait, what? So. So you. You have to understand that. That we are.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We.

[Sterling Sharpe]

We're brothers, but we are. We're one side of the same coin. We'll say different things differently, and we'll do different things differently, but we think alike. And God is truly. You know. And I will tell you this story, and I'm gonna be quiet. A guy said to me, if you go in the hall of Fame, are you gonna do like everybody else and thank God because you think God wanted you to be a Hall of Famer? If there is a God. And I said this. I said, my own brother stood up and said, if you would have played longer, there's no question in my mind that we would be the first brothers in the Pro Football hall of Fame. That was in 2011. Since he said that, I have not had one catch, I have not gained one yard and I have not scored one touchdown and we are the first brothers in the Pro Football hall of Fame. So you tell me if there is a God and that I should give him some glory. And so you know, for me that that is what I'm I'm I'm probably most proud of is is everybody used to say, you know, Shannon, stop trying to be like him. You can't be like him. Shannon, stop trying to do what he does. Shannon, you can't do what he does. Shannon, stop trying to imitate him. Shannon, be your own man. Shannon. I am so happy to say he didn't follow me around. I followed him.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Class of 2025 pro football hall of famer sterling sharp.

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[Jim Jones]

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[Jim Jones]

How you feeling, my brother?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You good?

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, I'm good, man. Life is good. God is good. I can't complain.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. So talk to us a little about this music thing. You've been in this thing for a minute now. So talk about Jim Jones of 20 Years Ago. Jim Jones today. Have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have you noticed, have you tried to do anything different with your sound to keep up with the way the industry is headed?

[Jim Jones]

Oh yeah, the industry. The industry has changed tremendously from from when I started. There wasn't no social media for one, when I started in 2003 with my first first deal and even before that when Cam started with his deal. So these kids got a bit of advantage when it comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have. They had access to a lot of information that we didn't have. A lot of people say it works against us, but I think it works for us in watching the way that these kids work in the present day and things like that. I've learned a lot for them from how they carry their music, from how they sell their music, and from how they market and promote their music. Us as being here for so too long, for so long, we seem we tend to get caught up in our dinosaur ways from yesterday, how they carry artists, but that's not the way they carry artists today. So they have platinum artists that have they nose up because they're big platinum artists, but that don't count in today's society. They don't carry it the same way. So what I've chose to do was always chose to try to reinvent myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing. But there's a medium that reach. Because I always want to teach these kids, but I always want to learn some also. So you know that and, and, and reinventing yourself, you got to be willing to be disciplined to know what direction you want to go in when it comes to reinventing yourself, you know what I mean? One of the things I credit do is the gym. The gym is one of the biggest attributes to me being able to sustained this long in the game. Sustainability is, is a. Jim, let me ask you this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And, and I see this a lot in a lot especially in. In music. And I see this with. In television and entertainment. Actors, actresses. It's like, man, every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay. He does something different, man. He don't sound like the old guy. He don't sound like he used to. Okay. An actor, they try, actor, actors, they try to do a different role than what we're used to seeing. Man. I like when he did that. I don't like, I don't like this new. So you want the guy to change, you want the individual to change and give you something different. And when they give you something different, you say they don't sound the same and you don't like it. So how does someone win? Now the person that, that I have the utmost respect for and what she's been able to do is Beyonce. Beyonce is as big as you can get in one genre. And she says, you know what? I'mma go over here and I'm going to do this. I mean, it takes some football, it takes some guts, Jim, to do that.

[Jim Jones]

I mean, she like Michael Jordan. When Michael Jordan left the NBA, he went to the, to the nbl, the major league and mlb, tried to play baseball. He had to have a lot of guts, you know what I mean? Like same with like Dione Dion when he was playing football and playing baseball and being successful at the same time and both in both of them sports, I mean, and that takes a lot of heart. I haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way that Beyonce has done it. So I tip my hat to the barriers that she continue to break inside of this music industry.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Jimmy, what you think right now about the state of hip hop where it is right now? How do you feel about it, especially with the young dudes with the sound now? Obviously, I think when it comes to rap in general, hip hop in general, I think the sound changes every 10 years. How do you feel about this era of. Of hip hop right now that we're in? Do you like it? Have you embraced it? What.

[Jim Jones]

I mean, in my opinion, it doesn't matter because I had my time where we were dictating the sound of music and we had a ball and there were older people that was hating on the time that we had and things like that. I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can. As long as it's connecting with the crowd and the people are singing your shit and they going to your shows and who am I to say I don't like that music when they out here spanking, you know what I mean? You did like. So it's like you gotta find. You gotta stay true to yourself, but find your rhythm in the mixture. What's going on as you're gonna be lost in the sauce. So you're gonna be looking like an old dude, or you're gonna be looking like it has been. Are you gonna be. You understand, I'm not into that. My energy ain't for that. You heard, If I'm gonna be a contender in this game, I'm gonna play at the top. At the top of my ability to play, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna take no shortcuts enough. And I'm in. And I'm in it. That means I gotta contend with the younger boys, I gotta contend with older boys. So that means I gotta. They only respect violence and not to say violence, but you know what I mean? Like, they got to see that, you dig? While I'm in the game, I' ma show them that, like, people don't get it twisted. Like, I'm. I'm a man of many, many different things. Like, my rapper hat is one. Is one hat that I wear, right? But if I'm rapping and I'm in it, I'm in it. What's up? I'm going against all odds and what I gotta do to maintain I'll be a contender in this game, to keep feeding my family, making the money that I make off this. And I mean, I think people get that twisted when they see me talking and popping my shit and shit like that. That's just one character that I gotta put out there for y' all to eat up, you know what I mean? But.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Matter of fact, hold on, I'll.

[Jim Jones]

Let you go on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I just. I saw some. I saw some comments. I saw a clip about, you know, you and Push. I'm not sure if you and Push, you know, got any type of beef or whatever. I just saw something about you talking about the ace trumpet you didn't like. You didn't like the album, you didn't like the song. You know, Woody raps about it's not believed.

[Jim Jones]

I don't got no beef with. I don't got no beef with nobody.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay, okay, okay. I'm just asking.

[Jim Jones]

Half of it. Half of it is my opinion. Half of it is me bending the algorithm half. And it is feeding into people's simplicity because the social media is for that. You know what I mean? And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game. It comes with the territory. You got to be very competitive. It's a very competitive sport. And you better have some thick skin. I ain't saying I want to hurt nobody or do nothing to nobody. Everything I've been talking about, they're strictly about the auto world when it comes to the music nowadays. Now, maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, it would have been a different outcome of what I was, you know what I mean, when I was protected. I'm not on that. And I think a lot of that gets twisted, and with the Jim Jones of today and things like that, I ain't got no positive. Nobody ain't got no. I ain't got no ops, no nothing. And, you know, it's parts of me that I've been working on every day. Sometimes I talk way too fast than I should, you heard? But it's part of the game. I don't care, you dig? I hate it or love it. I'm gonna turn it into. Into a victory for me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Check this out, Jim. It seems to me since this past summer, well past last summer, when Kendrick had that diss, it seems like now people are just like, yo, hey, we saw the success that Kendrick had, got five Grammys, he hosted, you know, halftime show, the super bowl, blah, blah, blah. We see a lot more dissing going on. Is that what we. Is that where we're headed now, Danny?

[Jim Jones]

Where you been at? You don't remember Tupac? You seen the success that Tupac had?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, look, you see the success.

[Jim Jones]

What about Kumo? What about Kuvo?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Did ll.

[Jim Jones]

This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that. So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no surprise through the rap industry. I mean, people look at it as something, but this is what the art of rap is about. It's a very competitive sport, and you gotta be ready to be on top of your game when it comes to that. So if you put something out, you gotta be ready for the same energy to come back at you. That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down that lane. Some people go around that lane. Some people go right through it. I'm one of the people that go right through a win, lose a draw. I keep the same face.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hold on, hold on, Jim, Jim, bro, I'm not looking for you to come at me. I put you on. Remember? I used to have you on my. I used to have. I used to use the tour with me. Used to open up for me, bro. You know? You remember that, right? Whenever nobody wasn't booking you, you remember that.

[Jim Jones]

You heard this song. You heard this, you heard the same. When rivals. I mean, idols become your rivals. That's what the rap game is about. Did Allen Iverson hesitate to shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA? Okay, because he was on another team. That might not stop the love he had for Mike. But while we on this battlefield, my team got a win. And I'm willing to kill anybody that's in front of me for my team to win. And that was Allen Alice's attitude. You got to understand what happens when you come into this game. Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes. When we on the other team. We meet you at the party, we can laugh, pop champagne. But right now, while we on this field, while we on this court. Oh, I'm coming to scrape.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, we can't pop no more champagne. You got people laughing at me. And guess what? They playing at the football games. They played the basketball game. Not like us. Oh, no, we can't pop no champagne after that. Hey, as a matter of fact, I'm gonna close the club down. Hey, if he a. If he coming, I ain't coming.

[Jim Jones]

I mean. But I just told you, that's what it is. It's competitive sport, man. You gotta. It got different levels to it and things like that, but that's what this was built on, you heard. So it's sad that it gotta go to such lamps when it comes to artists getting at each other when it comes to the music. But, yeah, which what you project is what you're gonna get. So just have that same energy you put out there, because somebody coming right back at you with that same energy, sooner or later.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you one more question, don't y'.

[Jim Jones]

All.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So are we gonna get some new music? Because we saw you and Cam kind of going back and forth. Is the dipset coming back. Y' all gonna link up together and give us some new music? Yes or no?

[Jim Jones]

Right now, I'm worried about myself. Dipset is always dipset. The birds still fly high. I've been having a bird on my back for the past 15 years when nobody was worried about you. Think so? That's gonna go. But right now, I gotta worry about me. I gotta worry about my endeavors, I gotta worry about my business. I gotta worry about my family, you dig? I've done a lot for Diplomats where it didn't. Did me nothing at the time. But right now, where I'm at in my life, what. What works for me, and what I'm worried about is myself. I can't tell you what the future may hold or what the future may bring. I'm not taking nothing off the table, you think? But right now, it's about Jim Jones. And, yeah, I am a diplomat owner.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Bet. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I like that. Listen, you took the question I was finna asked, and I think. I think. You know what? History repeats itself, Jimmy. History always repeats itself. And most of the time, when history repeats itself, it comes back even bigger and better. I think Diplomats is going to have. They're going to have reunion. I think y' all boys gonna reunite. And despite your differences, despite whatever situations y' all might have, you know, all that can be fixed behind closed doors. That ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to be had, especially making that money.

[Jim Jones]

Or a check. Yeah, a nice check always calms things down, you heard? Always kind of stupid, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You heard?

[Jim Jones]

But I understand, man. But right now, where I'm at, until that happens, until some business get put on the table, was advantageous for all sides. Right now I got to worry about what capo was doing. And it's been working for me that way, you know? I mean, I've been staying out of everybody's way a little bit, you know? I mean, trying to. Every day. Every day I work on me. Every day I get better and things like that, you think I'm. I'm unapologetic, you dig? And I don't have no regrets, you know, me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But I do.

[Jim Jones]

I do work on myself every day, you know? I mean, I'm not a perfect man, you dig? But I'm the perfect example of what could happen if you stay down. So you come up and that's what I did plenty of times.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got you, like, look, you want the OG's rap. I mean, hip hop is 50 years of age. You've been in this thing two decades.

[Jim Jones]

I ain't 50. I'm 48.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I said hip hop is 50.

[Jim Jones]

I thought you were shooting it at me. My bad.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nah, nah, nah. Hip hop is 50. But you've been in this thing for two decades, right?

[Jim Jones]

I've been in this thing. So, yes, a little bit more than that. Since 1997. Cameron got his first deal. So I'm like 28 years into two.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay, so almost three decades.

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, 100. I've been signed my first deals two decades ago.

[Stephen A. Smith]

How do you determine who you. How do you determine who you work with now? When you want to work with the young artists? How do you go about that? How do you be like? Man, I kind of like him. I think we can make some beautiful music together.

[Jim Jones]

I mean, I hold no prejudice. I'm looking for great music, and I'm looking for great aesthetic music. Isn't everything in today's world when it comes to music, if you got a lifestyle that you can sell, these kids could buy into, then that's just as good as having a great hit song and things like that. And that's how I work. So it's a. Combinations of things that I look forward to work with the artists or to do business with the artist. But as far as doing music with the artists and things like that, I'm just saying I'm a lover of music. So if I hear a record that I hear and I think is dope, and I think the artist is dope, I'm gonna reach. I'm reach out to him.

[Stephen A. Smith]

How do you stay motivated, y'? All? We lost him. Yeah, I think we lost him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, damn. That was.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That was good.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I was enjoying that, right? Hey, I'm thinking. I'm thinking. I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about rapping, man. Shoot, man. What you think?

[Stephen A. Smith]

What you gonna rap about now, Ocho?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

For me?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I mean, I'm just saying I'm a rap about things that. That I've experienced in life, you know, that that's. That's the best thing to rap about it. That's what most rappers, they. They rap about the things that they've experienced, you know, the ups, the downs, the goods, the bads, you know, the W's, the L's. I think I could put it together.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You think so?

[Jim Jones]

Oh, there we go.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, you back.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, yeah.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Jim Jones]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Jim Jones]

You look like a French painter with a little bit of Biggie from Brooklyn with that on. You heard?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I just came. I just came from the south of France. I was down there for six days, so I just got back yesterday.

[Jim Jones]

Oh, that's the vibe. You still.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I'm still on my. On my suave.

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, you're still spilling that. I get it, I get it. I get it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

At. At this juncture of the game, what keeps you motivated? What gets Jim makes Jim jump out of bed, press down hard as he can and press go. What. What keeps you going?

[Jim Jones]

I will say the money, but I've been making money for a long time with the. And opportunity to take care of my family. I've been doing that for a long time. At this point, I've been doing a lot. So I've been. My mission has been to give back more than I took, but I was able to take a lot and I'm still taking. So that's where I'm at in life right now. You know, I mean, the more I bless people, the more I get blessed. And it's just a testament of hard work and being resilient and. And being real with yourself. I mean.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Can I ask you a question, Jim? You smoke, right?

[Jim Jones]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas?

[Jim Jones]

I might have been a little bit. Well, as far as. Let's. Let's get this right. I'm way more influential than Nas. And I don't care what nobody say. I know I made it. I know I made a little boo boo. When you talk about the sales and all this type of. I don't feel like getting into that rhetoric about where I started. But listen, Nas was nice when I was in high school. When I was in 10th grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope. We appreciated him. He had a little bit run. But Nas always came up second to Jay and DMX and all these other people.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like, he never had.

[Jim Jones]

He never had that type of influence on us except for his first album, I already told you. I used to want to dress like Nas because he had a lot of fresh clothes that the hustlers used to wear and. And we used to see him on tv. He had one of the illest albums of all time. And then in high school when he had the barbecue and like that. So I'm a real fan of Nas. But he kind of lost me after Bell, the movie Belly and like that. Like, I don't.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Man, go ahead on with that, Jim.

[Jim Jones]

I'm trying to tell you. I'm being honest. You want to.

[Sterling Sharpe]

You ask me?

[Jim Jones]

I'm being. I'm being a fan. I'm telling you, from the movie Belly was fire. But after that, he kind of lost me. I don't think. I think we was way too much into the game. Remember how this goes? Let's not. You ever heard of a Kofi List?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Jim Jones]

Yo, go back into your history and find out what happened between us and him, you dig? And I'm not trying to repeat history, but don't play with us when it comes to that, bro. We already went wild on them boys, you heard? We the ones that went wild on them boys. And people out here acting. Like I said, I'm gonna bring the Kufy list back. I just told you I'm gonna change, man. Stephan Law. Can you dig?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Look, I'm putting. Hey, bro, you've been at this thing, but lyrically, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna keep it a stack with you.

[Jim Jones]

Look how you dress. You don't even be in the same places I be in.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I can be in the church house. You can't. You can't ever. I don't know who told you that. Now, look, I know you're on that good stuff. Let's be real.

[Jim Jones]

You got a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds in their panties because I said I'm better than you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Don't matter.

[Jim Jones]

Look at you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nobody from the Diplomats, but you. Want to go back.

[Jim Jones]

And I really mean it. I really mean it. Started. We could go back to your history, bro. Don't do that, bro. Don't do that, bro.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got a question.

[Jim Jones]

I got a question. Stick up for itself and meet me in a booth or something if we want to do something historical.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He don't do that no more.

[Jim Jones]

Nah. So he don't do that because he got a hundred million dollars. He's a very wealthy man. You heard. He's a very small businessman.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on, hold on, Jimmy.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Hold on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got a question.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hold on, hold on. Go ahead.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on, hold on, Jim.

[Jim Jones]

Hold on, hold on, Unc.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got a question, Jimmy. And anything that you do right, Unc, I've heard you preach it all, all the time, right? When you was playing football, you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Your first thing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You always say, ain't nobody here better than me.

[Jim Jones]

Ah, tell, tell again.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You done told me that story a million times.

[Jim Jones]

You think I'm gonna be second to anybody in this world?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Jimmy, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now, Unc. Stay with me now. But I'm just saying, that mentality, isn't that how you supposed to feel? Isn't that how you supposed to feel?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know? So let me ask you a question. When you was on the field, you thought you was better than Tio and Moss? Hell, yeah. What you mean?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I ain't gonna say it out loud.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You done came on here and say I ain't better than Moss. I'm not better than Tio, I'm not better than Rice. You said that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm not playing the game no more.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But you wasn't. You didn't when you was playing. Jill, while you talking, you need to get with the locks. Jada. Them done cooked y' all at the verses. I'm still playing. Still playing.

[Jim Jones]

I'm still playing at a high level. I'm still playing at a high level. I'm rapping at a high level. You better check my stats, bro. I run. I will run circles around Nas rapping, right? I will run circles around Nas rapping right now. Right now, Right now. Rapping. Everybody knows that. You heard?

[Stephen A. Smith]

He put it down. He said it now.

[Jim Jones]

I will run lapse around Nas rapping right now, bro.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Jim. Oh, you talking about right now, but I'm talking about.

[Jim Jones]

I'm still in it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Cam was smoking his boots.

[Jim Jones]

I wasn't rapping when he was rapping, but Cam really got at him. You remember? I really mean it. We've been getting at them, boys, but this is not about that right now. 20, 25. I'm in the game. Still rapping at a high capacity. If Nas wants to smoke, come in the booth. I will rap.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You don't want no smoke. He enjoying that 150 million, 200 million.

[Jim Jones]

So then leave me alone while I'm on the field.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You were laughing with him. He wasn't bothering you.

[Jim Jones]

I'm on the field. I'm picking on whoever. Whoever, whatever. I don't care. I'm on the field. And guess who's the most.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Dre. Guess who they on the field. You need to call like Drake. You need to call like Kendrick. You need to call somebody that's still in it. He ain't in it.

[Jim Jones]

Why can't you get any? Man my age. I wasn't. They in my era.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I ain't got.

[Jim Jones]

That's not my error.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement?

[Jim Jones]

Well, that's my error. So I'm Calling all of them out. I don't care if you retired or not.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Deal with it.

[Jim Jones]

If not, meet me in the booth.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Jack.

[Jim Jones]

Meet me in the booth. And I'm just. Let's get. Let's just get. Let's get this right. I'm not mad. Is about the sportsmanship of the game. I'm a very aggressive person. That seems to get misconstrued when I'm talking my. I'm just talking my. You're. Let me talk my. Cause I am on the field. If anybody got a problem with that, they could meet me on the field. That is the booth. Anybody from that era? Anybody? Hey, well, I got anybody from that era. Anybody?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, you and Jada in the same era.

[Jim Jones]

Anybody from that era?

[Stephen A. Smith]

The only time you ain't seeing Jada. Stop that. Stop that.

[Jim Jones]

Anybody from that era? I'm not scared of nobody, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Pup. Hey, hey. You see, you speeding right now.

[Jim Jones]

Anybody from that era? I'm in the field daily. Daily. Anybody want to work out, tell them, come to the field.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

See, we got. This is the perfect opportunity. You're not even paying attention. Your antennas ain't up right now. Listen. He said anybody from his era. Anybody knew he in the field, right? We can have our own verses on that. Our own nightcap verses.

[Jim Jones]

It's deeper than the verses. It's about who making music. Meet me in the booth. Put the record up. Give us a time to do the record by. Give us a subject, and let's see who won't smoke who on the booth.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Yeah, it is.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Come on.

[Jim Jones]

It's about the sportsmanship. It's about the craftsmanship, the numbers, the records you heard. Cause we both got records that could smash. We both got Meet me in the booth. All that old school. We'll play no records from 20 years ago. I am not nostalgic. It's 20, 25. Y' all want smoke? Meet me in the booth. Set it up. And we could do it for money, labels, and pay for it. How y' all want to do it? We can make a spectacle out here. I got it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got it. Let's go.

[Jim Jones]

Sportsman.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You heard?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got n. I got God, Floyd.

[Jim Jones]

Well, get him in the booth.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got. I got Jada.

[Jim Jones]

Listen to me. If you get anybody in the booth, I will pull up by myself on my.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. Why would you want to pull over? When you get on that mic, they can't help you. Start spitting. Who you gonna get to help you?

[Jim Jones]

Hey, Unc.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You not seeing the vision, Unc?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm seeing the Vision.

[Jim Jones]

That's the opportunity you gotta start buying bag of your clothes. Big fellas too big man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You talk about you in the gym. Now you want to get me. You want to. Want me to see me in the gym?

[Jim Jones]

Oh, we can do that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You like to talk that ish. Now come see me in the gym.

[Jim Jones]

We talking about working out. We talking about working out. What are we talking about, working out or strength work?

[Stephen A. Smith]

However you want to do it since you got money.

[Jim Jones]

And we talking about.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Put your money where your mouth is.

[Jim Jones]

You got. So you told my work. You're talking about working out. I burn you. You talking about working out. A strength. Cause you probably missed a lot more than me. Whatever. You're probably stronger than me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Whatever.

[Jim Jones]

But if you talk about working out. You talking about working out. I'll burn you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

This ain't what you do. This ain't what you want. You are doing good when you're talking about you don't want to be there.

[Jim Jones]

Check the stat. You don't check my stat. You better go to my ig. Set it up, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Please don't.

[Jim Jones]

You set it up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'll be the. Hey, guys like you.

[Jim Jones]

What you want to start on? You don't want to do it. What you want to start on? You want to put a trainer in between? Don't back out. Do not back down. Do not come to Atlanta tomorrow and give you one.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's you, bro. You too small, bro.

[Jim Jones]

You talking a lot. What you want to do?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You. Hey, stick to what you do. You good on the mic. I won't take that away from you, but stay out.

[Jim Jones]

Do you want to do it or not?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I want to compete, too. What we doing?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Start with Ocho uk.

[Jim Jones]

Let me tell you. Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. I'm gonna tell you one story how I met Antonio Brown. My son said, you know Antonio Brown live up the block because I live on the beach. And like that. I'm like, who was that? He like, he showed me to my DM them. He like, oh, yeah, your son play football. Come get this workout. So I get on the beach. Cam Newton and like a few other NFL players ain't gonna say nobody named. He made two of them go home because I was. I finished the workout before they finished the workout, bro. Do not play with me. I'm a beast. Shannon, I will go crazy on you. What do you want? You want to work out or you want to do strong? You heard. Because obviously you can lift longer than Me? But you can't work out with me, bro. I'm a beast.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Jim Jones]

You can't do one muscle up nothing. You can't do nothing with me, bro.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Dude, you weigh 150 pounds. You should do muscle up.

[Jim Jones]

I wait. I weigh 195. I wait, 195.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, Jim, go to my Instagram.

[Jim Jones]

Go to my Instagram right now. I work out every day. I post it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't post it.

[Jim Jones]

Don't play with me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I work out in secret.

[Jim Jones]

I post it every day. What's up?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't post and I don't post nothing.

[Jim Jones]

What day you want me to come to Atlanta?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I ain't even in Atlanta. I'm gonna come see you.

[Jim Jones]

I'm coming to New York. We got gyms.

[Stephen A. Smith]

When you wanna do it on the show?

[Jim Jones]

You want to do a live on the show, 30 Minute Workout? I don't.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't do anything for sure. Just me and you. And I just want you to know that I keep your ass doing what you do.

[Jim Jones]

You see what I'm saying?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Ocho. Hey, see you. By show, I went into.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I wanted too.

[Jim Jones]

The show gets the dough. You never heard that? Yeah, no dough, no show. What's up? You scared?

[Stephen A. Smith]

We can do it for pay per view.

[Jim Jones]

I know you got a lot on the line because you're a professional football player or actual football player.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I retired when you signed your first contract. I retired.

[Jim Jones]

By older rappers.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, when we gonna compete?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Because ain't no rapper beat me or nothing. But on the microphone, when it comes to the gym, that ain't happening. What you wanna.

[Jim Jones]

What you want to do? What you want to do?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Look here you have the rap game. That's you. That's your era. That's your. That's your era. That's what your era of expertise. Yeah, my name. I ain't gonna waste my time dealing with you, man. Cause you ain't on this level.

[Jim Jones]

You want to run sprints, you want to run routes? What you want to do? Or you just want to stay in the gym? And I got a bad hamstring and I still give you work or you want to stay in the gym?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm staying in the gym. I don't want to do nothing but that iron. I don't move nothing but iron.

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Check my resume. It's extensive.

[Jim Jones]

In 30 minutes, you will not. You won't last 30 minutes with me. You want me to follow you or you want to follow me? How you want to do it?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You can't follow me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm a record.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Because you can't do nothing. You can't bench, you can't squat, you can't. You can't do nothing. You want to do body weight movements? I don't do body weight movements.

[Jim Jones]

You better go check my gram. I do surface squats. I do regular squats. We do deadlifts. We do everything. Are you out your mind?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

£195, man. What I look like going up against £195 pound man in the gym? That's wasting my time.

[Jim Jones]

Next.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, yo, take that.

[Jim Jones]

Where I'm from, a challenge is a challenge.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Regardless of size, right?

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, we fight all bullies. Where I'm from, that's how I get up. No man or nothing. You heard.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm the U. S. What I look, what I look like Taking over Greenland. They ain't even got no damn military. This ain't what you like.

[Jim Jones]

This ain't what you're looking for, bro. Bring your mouth and your body to Harlem.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let's go to the gym. Let's go to the gym.

[Jim Jones]

You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers? No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, apple is a shape. Pear egg.

[Jim Jones]

I'm in super shape. And you can ask everybody.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We was having a great conversation. It was great. You see what you did?

[Jim Jones]

Why you think I was on the COVID of Men's Health for my looks? Because I get busy.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When we going in the gym? Because I want. I want this work.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm busy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I want this work.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You ain't.

[Jim Jones]

Now you busy. You bring it up. Now you busy. Rich man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You brought it up. You owe. You owe your capade. First of all, you chat. You want Nas, you want Jada, you want everybody. And then you try to come.

[Jim Jones]

No, no, no, no, no. You said that. You said that. You start bringing other people. Don't try no slick. I said I don't care who it is. I will go up against Jim Jones. That's what I said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He's a better rapper than Nas. Jim Jones defends himself against Nas. Comparison. Jim Jones rejects Nas. Comparison. Check my record. Jim Jones argued he's bigger than Nas. You said that.

[Jim Jones]

You sound like you a little hot. You over there, you in your feelings.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Cause me and everybody else.

[Jim Jones]

Your glasses is crooked. Glasses a little bit. Your glass is a little crooked.

[Stephen A. Smith]

My glasses are fine. You can talk about. I take them off, you can see, and I still can see. You Can't f with Nas. I put them back on. You still can't f with nas.

[Jim Jones]

Come on. Since 16 bars and knives right now. Sing your favorite Nas record right now.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The man busy.

[Jim Jones]

Sing it. Sing it. Sing your favorite Nas record.

[Stephen A. Smith]

First of all, once you get to.

[Jim Jones]

A certain listen, sing your favorite Nas record. Gm, I bet you know your favorite Jay Z record. Hey, I bet you can say your favorite what gm, Sing your favorite Nas record.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay, you done flew high. You came back down.

[Jim Jones]

Now sing your favorite Nas record. Sing your favorite Nas record, bro. Since you. Since you back. Since you're going crazy for. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. So you. Yeah, you are capping. That's what you're doing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

First of all, bro, I'm a bigger.

[Jim Jones]

Nas fan than you are. You are.

[Stephen A. Smith]

First of all, I don't be singing no rap. I don't be singing no rap.

[Jim Jones]

You see what I'm saying, Ocho? He don't even know about rap. He just doing this for the views to get Jim Jones on there, to get him hot. I understand, but you don't get him. You don't know.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You better check the podcast now. Now you better talk. This the biggest podcast you ever been on. This one.

[Jim Jones]

Hold on, hold on.

[Stephen A. Smith]

When you get big, you get about.

[Jim Jones]

This is what I do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nas, get him by the club.

[Jim Jones]

You're dealing with the wrong one, bro.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right here, bro.

[Jim Jones]

I don't care nothing about nothing that you got to say, bro. You might as well.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, we. Hey, we hear him.

[Jim Jones]

You cannot leave me alone, bro.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Can outrap me, but you can't out talk me.

[Jim Jones]

Don't nobody want to go to Club Shay say Nobody want to buy no VIP tickets to that. Nobody rushing to go to that biggest.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Podcast you ever been on.

[Jim Jones]

Club.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You get an invite, you do got to go.

[Jim Jones]

The podcast is tremendous. You and OO do your thing. Don't get it twisted, bro. I don't say nothing about no podcast.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, we supposed to be talking about music and love and embracing one another and culture and having.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We're gonna come out here and disrespect Nas and Jada. That ain't gonna happen on here. Now, where were we?

[Jim Jones]

Why you keep putting Jade into this? Why you keep putting Jay into this?

[Stephen A. Smith]

What's wrong with you?

[Jim Jones]

What is wrong with you, bro? You type A to get caught like, nah, come out. They caught us all. Like, why is he trying to put Jada into this, bro? Now I get it, bro. It's all good. It's all love, bro.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right, you talk about this here. Tell us about who you got coming.

[Jim Jones]

Out the next movie, what you said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, you got a movie coming out, right?

[Jim Jones]

Coming after Church Steps, a lovely movie. I got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of influences that we all know. I'm excited to put that movie out. Comes out later on this summer. It's a. It's an ad to added on to my album. Got a bunch of dope actors in there, too, so I'm looking forward to that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So, so are you. Are you more proud? Are you most proud of the movie you have coming out or the new music you got coming out or they're equal?

[Jim Jones]

I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay.

[Jim Jones]

So you must think my life revolves around music when my life is. Music is just probably the smallest fraction of my life, even though it fuels a lot of the things that comes to my life because of music. But I'm a great businessman all around the board, you know what I mean? So you got to learn a lot, a lot more about me. And I'm a philanthropist. I'm one of. One of the few people that do give back. Shirts off my backs and things like that. All the rhetoric about the rap and back and forth is cool and like that. But deep down inside that I'm away, I'm a way other man than what we over here going off about and things like that. Like, I, I, I. My biggest attribute is my giving back. You heard it. I'm gonna always do that, no matter what. I want people to get it, get it misconstrued. You know, I. I love to give back. That's what my whole mission is about. And the more I go viral, the more I'm on your Explorer page, the more opportunities come to me, the more I could give back.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All.

[Jim Jones]

All this comes down to a dollar is what people don't understand. This algorithm is a game that I had to learn and understand because I was a previously, I probably would crash down so many things that I see on the Internet or so many ways that people are talking about me. I had to learn how to reverse it and use these things as fuel for me to keep going and things like that. And that's just what I've been doing. I got to a point where I got good at it, so I know how to use it in my favor. And it's a beautiful thing. It could go against you, it could go for you. But one thing, if you're a small person, it's gonna work. It's gonna work in your favor. You know what I mean? So I use all my opportunities to turn into a dollar, and anytime that I've seen, heard, they're gonna go, wanna know about me. Extra stream is an extra dollar. I don'. Everybody said I need mine in all facets, you know, I mean, that's what.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask when did. When was it always a part of your, like, if you ever made it, that you were going to give back? Because like you said, you do. You do give back to the younger generations. You do give back to your community. When did that thought, that thought process? How did. How did that come about? Jim Jones? Like, you know, what, if I get to a certain level and I'm able to help and I'm able to get give back, that's what I'm gonna do.

[Jim Jones]

You know, we from an older era, a godfare era. So, you know, I watched my family open their house to strangers sometimes and things like that. They was always a given. And not to mention when I was coming outside and watching the hustlers doing for the community, the ones that were successful, the ones that always came back, bus rides, sneakers, haircuts, all that. So I just chose to carry on tradition. And me being a position of success in my life only helped me to do a little bit more than what I've seen. Coming up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm gonna pull up in Harlem.

[Jim Jones]

Come on. I'm waiting for you, man. I love you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey. Hey, Jimmy. Hey, if you. If you pull up in Harlem, we got to go to Ricardo's.

[Jim Jones]

No, we got to go to Ricardo's. Hey, Shannon, you know I love you. I love people. I love people that I could go back and forth with if people don't take no offense to it. You heard a lot of people look at this and might take offense to it, but they are.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They are. But we don't care. We. Look, we had a great time, and.

[Jim Jones]

We know who we are, you dig?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like, yeah, for sure.

[Jim Jones]

We can never let no electronics get in between the realism. We know it's that stake here, and we know what we're doing, you dig? And I appreciate you for that because a lot of people would have took everything to offense and like, you heard, but we all who we are, man. I appreciate this opportunity, man. Y' all do have a great show. I cannot take that from you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I appreciate you coming on.

[Jim Jones]

Get this workout Come on, Ocean. Could bring him to Harlem. Let's work on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He not as strong as he say, though. He's not as strong.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, there you go.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He'd just be talking, you know?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, yeah. You see?

[Jim Jones]

Nah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But hey, hey, Jim, real talk, though, man. I appreciate you coming on. Ocho and I, we really appreciate it. We appreciate the time. And I'll never. You know, hey, we have a great time going back and forth talking about Nas and Jaden, you. But, bro, you stand the test of time. You do what you do. You great at what you do, and I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule tonight to come on with Ocho and I and talk about all things. So we. I had a great time. I don't know about Ocho, but I had a great time.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, listen, listen. This is. This was iconic tonight. This was iconic. Anytime you got.

[Jim Jones]

This is.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The funny thing about it is people not gonna understand what y'.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All. You're gonna be trending, Jim. You know, we gonna be a story in the morning.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

People not gonna understand that. This is what we do.

[Jim Jones]

This is what we do. This is just the culture. This is how we act. Just. This is how we act when we get together. Like, people gotta.

[Stephen A. Smith]

This is it.

[Jim Jones]

Like it. Yeah. I love y', all, though, man. I appreciate it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, this wasn't number the spades game without the cars.

[Jim Jones]

That's all 100. Our whole attitude is spades all day.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's all the time.

[Jim Jones]

All the time.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All the time, bro. Hey, the thing was, if I was in Harlem, he's like, okay, let's go find the gym right now. We'll find out. Well, we. What? We buy 100?

[Jim Jones]

A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We stand on that. Hey, but, Jim, hey, man, best of luck on the album. Best of luck on the movie, man. Hey, when you get some free time, stop back. Bye. Bye. I will. I appreciate that, bro. All love you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Remember my life. Hey, that was. That was awesome.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That was.

[Jim Jones]

That was awesome.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Now, you know, hey, everybody gonna say bad Jim Jones. The shadow shop was going, baby.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, no, they don't understand it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Any.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Anybody that say that they don't play spades, they don't play spade.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But it's been a while since I've been able to get that out. I've been sitting on there for two months now.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Jones]

Oh, yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I would just. I would just wait. I would just. I would just wait on the right time. Won't yo. Just wait on the right time. Our very, very special guest is joining us. Cleveland Browns rookie sensation running back Quinshon Judkins joins us. Q, what's going on, bro?

[Jim Jones]

What's up?

[Quinshon Judkins]

What's up? What's up? How you doing?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nah, he good. He good now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What's up?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You house in that thing this week? Well, you've been housing it since you got back, but you was really housing that thing. You paid house call 40.

[Quinshon Judkins]

I had to, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

How you. How you feeling? How's your experience so far in the NFL been? Has it been everything you expected it to be as opposed to, you know, the transition from college?

[Quinshon Judkins]

Oh, yeah, most definitely. I feel like it's been more so surreal, not only for myself, but for my family to get to experience everything, you know, get to meet a lot of the players. And that whole nine yards, man, just getting the final touchdown, you know, been through. Going through so much much. A slow start to the beginning of the season. And shoot, just everything taking off when.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I landed, man, that's what's up.

[Jim Jones]

You're from Ohio?

[Quinshon Judkins]

I'm from Alabama. I'm from Montgomery.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, you.

[Jim Jones]

Oh, man, how did.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Let you get out of. How you get out of. How did you get way to Ohio State from Bama Nil? That's the way to keep it state.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Seriously?

[Quinshon Judkins]

Oh, man. I think for myself, just in college, man, I ended up going to Ole Miss for two years. I played there in the sec.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Had.

[Quinshon Judkins]

A lot of success. And then my last year of college, for my junior year, I was like, man, I want to go somewhere I can compete for a national championship. So I end up at Ohio State. I felt like that was a great situation, Coach. Day one's a great, tight program, a lot of talented players there. So, you know, I was like, you know, there's no better place to go than Ohio State, so I end up there.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, Q, tell me something. You SEC Freshman of the year, right?

[Quinshon Judkins]

I was like nominee for it or something like that, but, yeah, I think I was freshman year. I can't even remember.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So you left the SEC to go to Ohio?

[Quinshon Judkins]

Yeah. Yep.

[Jim Jones]

Hey, hey, that bag.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Different, ain't it, man?

[Quinshon Judkins]

For me, it wasn't about that, though. You know, like, for many different people, like, in the game, it's about the money, the car. Different. For me, it was like in the day, bro. I'm kid a competitor. I'm trying to go out and, you know, kill it. Like, I'm trying to go out and, you know, win games as much as possible. Because at Ole Miss, I was putting up 1500 yards. I'm getting 15 touchdowns a year. So I'm like, man, no, I'm doing all, all that. But that's not what fulfills me. That's. Don't. That don't make me happy. So that wasn't what I was chasing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay, you wanted that title.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Q. Q.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They don't give me that politically.

[Quinshon Judkins]

For real, though?

[Jim Jones]

Not for real.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Come on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, this your boy. Come on. Don't, don't do it like that.

[Quinshon Judkins]

For real.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, okay, okay, okay. Let me, let you have it. Hey, one thing I want to talk about. I want to talk about the Cleveland Browns and I want, I want to. From the outside looking, I don't think you quite understand. Obviously you, you in position, but me on the outside looking in because there, there's been, there's been controversy at the quarterback position. Do you understand that you are the bell cow, that you are the offense that often goes as you go. Most of the times it's a star player, star quarterback or a star receiver. But you are the nucleus of that offense and as you go, the rest of the team goes. Do you quite understand that just yet?

[Quinshon Judkins]

I think just because it's so early on in my career, I quite don't get it yet. But at the same time I understand the situation and coach Stefanski is offense. If you go back to Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt and different guys playing in this offense, it's always been able to, to lean on the run game. And I think that's what's very beneficial about planning this offense. So I think, you know, just in my mindset, man, like my mentality, regardless of who we playing that week, what plays we installing, just had that same determination, bro, to just go out there and like, just leave it all out on the field. But knowing the particular like situation, like, yeah, for sure. Knowing that this is a run first offense, I'm already know I'm here.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, you in the west coast system. In the west coast system, that's all you're in. You put your foot in the dirt, you get downhill and then everything comes after that. Because now we're going to boot, we're going to play action. Yeah, because look, I play, I played in this offense. Now a lot of it's maybe changed, the wording of the verbiage has changed. But you go back and look at the Broncos offense with TD and Clinton Portis and Mike Anderson and and Reuben Drones and you look at the way the team run this offense. When you got a running back, when you got a guy, Christian McCaffrey in San Francisco Kyron Williams with the Rams. You look at Josh Jacobs with the. The Packers. When you look when that. When the run game is efficient, this offense is almost impossible.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Almost, almost literally. Because I feel like that's when we. Our best, when we're clicking in the rank game. Like, I feel like as a team, man, we unstoppable and that that's where we continue to get better at and consistently try to go out there on Sundays and put it all together. Because I feel like, like you said, man, that run game is what really helps us.

[Stephen A. Smith]

What was your expectations when you.

[Jim Jones]

What.

[Stephen A. Smith]

What was your goals when you came in? You was dealing what you did. You was dealing with what you was dealing with in the offseason. I think you got uninvited to the. To the draft, but you was going through what you was going through. You was like, okay, this is going to be behind me and I'm going to have to put what this is. I got to put that behind and I got to go somewhere and I got to perform at an elite level. I got to play like I know I can play. What was your expectations for your. Your rookie season?

[Quinshon Judkins]

I think for myself, it was more so a testament to, you know, what I'm doing when nobody was looking. Because when I wasn't in the building, you know, like, I didn't have a strength staff, I didn't have a coach to talk to to go over plays. I didn't have every resource that I had while I'm here in Cleveland now. So it was like the amount of dedication that it took for me to give everything I had and try to perfect my crowd when I wasn't around and then come back and, like, it was like it was nothing. And try to get on that same page with no training camp.

[Jim Jones]

No.

[Quinshon Judkins]

No football for what, three months. So not having those things and just training, making sure I'm mentally sharp. So when. When I get that call and I go back, I'm ready. I think that was my things that I really harped the most also, other than, like, physical activity was. Was really just making sure, you know, like, I'm mentally sharp. Just because you go through so much, man, and a lot of people don't understand. They'll never, never know what it's like, you know, especially being an athlete and the thing that we deal with. But yeah, bro, just really just making sure I'm mentally there all the way sharp. 100.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I love that what you said, what you were doing when no one was watching, because discipline is doing what you should do versus what you want to do.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Yes, sir.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm sure you wanted to. Hey, the boys kicking it. They doing. They pay. Hey, let me go over here. Let me party. Let me kick it. Pick. But the discipline stay true. Because I got bigger issue. You're the first Browns player with three rushing touchdowns in the game since Nick Chubb did it September 18, 2022. You had 84 yards rushing, three touchdowns, and your rookie of the week nominee. When you, when you see things like you've done, doing things that hadn't been done by a Browns player in three years, you're doing, you know, being nominated for rookie of the year. Look, we all want validation. We put that kind of time in, we put that kind of work into the off season. And to see you plant a tree, you want it to bear fruit. Yeah, you're bearing fruit. How pleasing, how gratifying. How satisfying is it for like, okay, everything that I did in the off season, everything that I went through, this is more gratifying. It makes it even more like, I know I was doing the right thing.

[Quinshon Judkins]

For me, it more so like I'm one of those people where it's like, man, I'm just trying to chop wood. I'm just trying to chop wood. You know, what I'm doing is that's cool. But at the same time, like, you know, I got bigger goals. I know how I view myself as a competitor, how good I want to be. So I don't really think about it. But at the same time, when I look up and knowing what I've been through, knowing, like how I persevered, knowing what, like, different challenges I face, and then you see the light at the end of the tunnel, it motivates me personally to like, you know, keep going and strive to be better. So I think just that motivation you get from it and the hunger.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, Q, man, as a rookie in the NFL, bro, living the American dream. Tell me, tell me what it's like, because I, when I look back when I was a rookie playing in the NBA, bro, I couldn't sleep, man. I couldn't sleep. I was so geeked for the moment because I'm coming. Because when I came in the NBA in 01 is when Jordan came back, you know, TMac, Cole, Vince Carter, all them dudes was, you know, they was at the apex. So I couldn't sleep nights before games because I was so heat up for the moment, man, I'm not playing. So what is it like as a rookie living the American dream? You probably been, you know, Wishing for this moment since you were a kid, and now that you're actually in it, what is it like?

[Jim Jones]

Oh, man.

[Quinshon Judkins]

I think for me, man, like, just finally being here, this is something you think about your whole life. Like, you work. Worked your whole life for this. Like, you worked since you was this big, like, to get to this. To this moment. So it's like you finally hear it. But what I realized was it's like, okay, it's not how fast you can get here, it's how long you can stay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So.

[Quinshon Judkins]

So. So my thing is, you know, doing everything in my power to, you know, be able to go out there and do this, have the same amount of success, not only for this year, but. But before a long time, and keep that same discipline. So that's one thing I did learn, I would say, is that, you know, just having so many good vets, too. You got a lot of good vets in the locker room, and you meet a lot of good players around the league to develop a lot of relationships. I think in college is more so very. Compared to NFL, I would say it's kind of individualized just because guys aren't in locker rooms as long as they are at different organizations in the league. So I think in the league, man, you always have people that you can lean on, get advice from, because, like, coming into this, you know, a lot of stuff moves super fast. So having somebody that you can ask different questions to so you're not just hit by the blind.

[Jim Jones]

For real.

[Sterling Sharpe]

For real.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, how's the body holding up?

[Quinshon Judkins]

Good. I feel. I feel good. You know, I used to get. I got a lot of carriers when I was at Ole Miss, I used to get a lot of carries. And then last year at Ohio State, I think I had like maybe 300, 255. So I was used to being the bail count guy, you know?

[Sterling Sharpe]

Right.

[Quinshon Judkins]

So I feel good, though.

[Sterling Sharpe]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

How does the quarterback look? He started out, you know, Gabriel gets drafted and Shador comes in. And we know what Shador. We know what that last name brings. You got Joe Flacco, you got Pickett, and they. Okay, we're going to move on. We go in this direction. And now has that. The quarterback. The situation with Gabriel and Shador, is he going to get reps? Is he going to start? Is he going to play? Has that impacted the locker room in any way?

[Quinshon Judkins]

No, I think with our team, we all so close, and we got a lot. We got so many young guys, man. It's like in our locker room, we genuinely. It's almost like you're in college again. It feels like. For real, for real. Like, damn. Like I'm full of young guys. But man, it's just like the energy there. Regardless of who playing those two guys, they always support each other, man. Like, it was a clip I seen I like that on the Internet the other day, and it was like them walking down the sideline line and just talking, laughing about I think we had just scored a touchdown or something. But that's who they genuinely are. That's who they truly are. They are competitive, but at the same time they want what's best for each other. And I don't think it's ever been turmoil or any, any word said by anybody on our team, like about who's our quarterback. We all 100% support Dylan. I even played him when I was at Ohio State twice. I played him at Oregon once and then I played him again and Pasadena, California at the Rose Bowl. So I got to see him and how he is as a quarterback. He's super talented. He's like super smart. He processes really fast and he's a great player. So I'm excited to see how he develop in his career.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's amazing, man. Q. Thanks for stopping by. Thanks for giving some time. Congratulations on your early success. Continue success, stay healthy and, you know, when it's all said and done at the end of the year, you go over a thousand yards, come back and tell us how.

[Quinshon Judkins]

I appreciate y'.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All. Appreciate you, man.

[Quinshon Judkins]

All right. Later.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yo, hey, tell Denzel Ward he can't stop.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Look, hey, look, I be telling that practice he be getting mad, I'd be like, bro, I've been that corner on your ass, boy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm 220.

[Jim Jones]

I still do it.

[Quinshon Judkins]

Yeah, I'm like that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm gonna hit him, though.

[Quinshon Judkins]

I'm gonna let him know.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I appreciate.

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