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Best NFL Interviews Radio Row Part 1: Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, Fred Warner, Romeo Doubs, More!
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Stigatz here. I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to iHeart, and I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern called Stegots and Company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day, you can expect a lot of laughter, great guests, a ton of calls, and a lot of fun. Listen to Stegotson company Live and our original podcast, Stegotson Company and God Bless Football. And you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast. Wherever you get your podcast, this show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nav Green from the Broken Play Podcast? Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. Guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chief. It's time to rebuild. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio Apple Podcast or whatever, you get your podcast. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is. You can decide who takes home the 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards Podcast of the Year by voting at iHeartPodcastAwards.com now through February 22nd. See all the nominees and place your vote at iHeartPodcastAwards dot com Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free tr@audible.com all right, joining us now, two of the best receivers in the NFL. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Join us right now. The best receivers in NFL. Okay, 1A, 1B. The greatest receivers in the NFL. Matter of fact. Matter of fact. Jamar, Chase T. Higgins. They need no introduction, but I'm gonna introduce them anyway. Jamar. Jamar had 125 catches, 1412 yards, eight touchdowns. T. Had 59 catches, 800, 846 and 11 touchdowns. But unfortunately, that was not enough because Joe got hurt and they ended up going 6 and 11, third in the AFC. I'm gonna start with you, Chase. Bro. You know, you've been in. You've been in this situation before. Not here, but you've been in the Super Bowl. You know what it takes. And once you get that taste in your mouth. It's kind of like a dog. When he bites somebody, you got to be very, very careful because he wants to continuously bite. Once you got that feeling, what is it going to take for you for this to be a normal occurrence where you guys compete, really compete for a championship year after year? Yeah. Everybody knows the turn defense win championship. And we got to start that first. First things first. We got to work on that. And then we can worry about the offensive side. We got the weapons for that. We've been having the weapons, but by far, everybody know we got that defense right to get back here. T, I got a question. Put your GM hat on. You're the gm. You're Mike Brown, you're Katie, you're Duke. Any of those people that are in positions of power that can make the changes necessary to make sure we get the opportunities to always be in contention, not the AFC North. I'm talking about throughout the entirety of the league and being in the post season. What changes do you think need to be made? Keep it PC, but just if you were in that position, what do you think needs to happen? I feel like me, I would go and get, you know, somebody on the interior D line. Yes. Max Crosby, Jeffrey Simmons. Look, both said that earlier. I said Max Crobby. I said Max Crabby. You said Jeffrey Simmons. See, that's two dogs we gonna need. For sure. I like it for sure. You have to, like you said because at some point in time, look, you won the triple crown last year and guess what? Mr. Playoffs. I had another 125 catch, 1400 catch season, missed the playoffs in the Pro Bowl. Mr. Playoffs. At some point in time. I love these individual stats, but I play a team sport. If this was tennis, if this was golf, I'm good, I'm Gucci. But we play team sports and I want to have team success. Yeah. That mean that's the main thing. Like, yeah, all the individual success, that's cool. You know what I mean? But we play the game to make it to the super bowl end of the day. So if we're not doing that, then we're not doing nothing for the organization. One of the other problems that we always had as a team, for one, being able to compete week in and week out, it's not the elephant in the room because it's happened many times in his short, short career. How do we keep Brother 9 healthy? How do we keep him healthy for a full season so we can have that consistency? Offensive line, there's one thing that. What? Offensive line. Excuse Me? Come on. How do we keep our brother upright? How do we keep him healthy for a full season so we can have those chances to be talking about competing in the Super Bowl? Honestly, I mean, he. Like he said, offensive line, but I don't think we need a new offensive line. I'm be honest. They did a good job this year in the initials. Stats could prove it, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like the biggest thing, that's more of an off the field thing. I'm not saying he don't take care of his body, but that do come in him to play. Maybe he got to do more with himself, you know what I'm saying? So that could be a him thing, maybe the eating, you know what I'm saying? So it's a lot of different ways you can look at that on the opinion side, but, you know, at the end of the day, it's really got to be a him. Think he been listening to old show talking about eating McDonald's? No, he doesn't. He doesn't listen to. He don't eat McDonald's. That. See, don't. I'm the only one that eat McDonald's in the locker room. Ask him that. At my locker every morning, everybody ask me, you want some? You want some? I take him to griddle, see? And now, see, now you get a better understanding. Those in the chat that are listening, you heard what he eat. You heard what he eat. That's why the success is what it is. You ain't seen. You saw the clip. You saw the little clip of Joe in McDonald's. You ain't see that? I did see that. You ain't see it. He was sitting down in there. Yeah, he was sitting down in McDonald's. So I'm telling you, he probably taking heed to, like, you know what? Let me listen to what Ocho been saying, and I'mma just. Yeah. Are you guys the best duo in football? Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Believe. I believe so. Man, talk your shit, man. Don't do that. I ain't gotta pop it too much, man. I don't need to pop it. Okay, okay, okay. Cause if I start popping it too much, it's too much. Nah, everybody gonna see what you said, T. Y' all the best duo in football. Feel like so. Yeah. Yeah. Nah, don't say it like that, man. Stay here. Yeah. Look, since he want me to pop it, somebody. Let's turn on the film and look at du tapes. There we go. Let's turn on the film and look at duo tapes, if you want to go. Yeah. That's all I need to say. Speaking of duos in the NFL, is there another duo that you guys appreciate and like watching? I like CD Lamb and George Pickens. Ooh, I like that. Oh, yeah, that's. That's a great duo. You know what I'm saying? They compliment each other, right? That's a good one. That's a good one. Do you see a picture I've always said I would love, I would love, and people, they get on me? Well, you didn't say that when it was time for tea. And in chase, I've been vouching for George Pickens to go somewhere else where he can get his true value and what he's really worth. Because I understand how Jerry Jones is going to play when it comes time to pay. And what Pickens, to me is shown is he can be a true number one, have his own team. Outside of having to share catches with CD Lamb, what's your thoughts on George Pickens staying in Dallas or going somewhere else where he can have his own team and be the number one? I could see both, you know what I'm saying? I could, you know what I'm saying? Like, he got. He got another guy on the other side that. Right. The defense gotta focus on, you know what I'm saying? So that opened him up kind of like how we. How we. How we go. Yes. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, dude good enough to go take over a team, you know what I'm saying? So, sure. I gotta agree with that, though. I feel like. I don't know. I like that. Batman Robin. Yep. You know what I'm saying? I like that. I like that. You know what I'm saying? I feel like it's just a lot more production coming out of the duo thing than the single person thing, you know what I'm saying? It's easy to lock your ass down when you by yourself, bro. And I always tell him this shit when I be playing by myself sometimes. Cause I be he coming see me come to the bench and I'm pissed off. And he like, bro, I be like, you know what I'm saying? I gotta go take me a stroll down the sidelines. Come back to downside, I be able to tell motherfuckers, hey, leave him alone. Yeah, like, he know how I am. Promise you. It gets to a point where it get aggravated when you buy yourself. So that's why I always vouch like, you know what I'm saying? I need Tee. Not for me, but it's helping the whole offense. Offense, you know what I'm saying? Now it's opening up the run game, not a passing game. Now we going any down, we can pass the ball every down and they don't know. Right? Right. But I think the thing is, for me, for George, and because you see a guy at his size, huge cage radius, he can catch the ball in traffic, he's physical, he's great. Run after the catch, he can take a smoke ride and go 80, or he can take it off the over the top for 60. But when I look at him, he had to leave Pittsburgh because he had gotten comfortable. Because he had gotten comfortable doing things his way. So he needed to go somewhere else where they weren't going to accept that. And once he locked in, he's like, well, damn, you mean to tell me I could do this? I got this. I got 1500 yards at me. Yes. And I also think he was in a better offense. Yes. I'm about to say, I think that's what it more was. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it's him getting used to something because you could get bored with it over time. But I think also what's around you could make that character. But you can ever, ever, ever professional, you could never let your circumstances dictate how you play. It was dictated how he played. Yeah, but that, I don't, I don't think they use a lot more than that. Yeah, it's a lot more than that. Because everybody got their opinion on what he got doing what he's doing in that locker room, you know what I'm saying? Don't nobody really know what's going on. At the end of the day, we getting you judging for somebody else and don't nobody know what he going through, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I just look, I just look at him on the tape. I just look at him like, I mean, he said it. You saw, you saw against Detroit on Thanksgiving. He has a tendency to drift. And it. He's not the first. I don't want people to think, well, I'm saying George Pickens is the first receiver. It happens a lot. Because what we would do with our number one receiver, we get him involved early so we could have him late. Because if I. Why am I asking why am I gonna throw, chase the ball? I'm gonna go the whole first half and I ain't gonna get. I'm not gonna give chase any catches. Then Come fourth quarter. Hey, Chase, you ready? No, I ain't ready. I was ready in the first half. I say when I come back to the sideline, sometimes I'm tired of the superhero. I'm a superhero. You know what I'm saying? Some of that happens sometimes. And like you said, you're a pro. Yes. And they gonna expect you to make this. They give you this money, they're gonna expect you to make. So what you got to do? Give it to me. If you give it to me early. I ain't saying you gotta throw me 15 balls in the first quarter, right? But I'm saying three talk is a quarter. That's all you need. Give. Give me an opportunity. I just want to touch the ball. Throw me a smoke. Throw me a slant. Yeah. Throw me a jailbreak screen. Just give me something. I want to touch the ball. But y' all want me to go. Y' all didn't. They didn't ask Michael Jordan to wait till the fourth quarter. It's different, though. We're not about to put basketball and football in the same time. That nigga MJ could take. That nigga could pass the ball. He gonna do this in front. He gonna throw that bitch right back. I gotta wait for Joe to hike the ball from the center. I gotta run past two defenders. Cut this, it's a lot more. But that's what. But that's what. But, see, they know how to get you the ball when you go on the sideline and you and he. And you say, leave him alone. He acting up, Zach. So you said, why they gotta wait till that long? Yeah, I understand that. You know what I'm saying? And why I gotta show up? Why y' all make me show myself? Sometimes the game take you away. You know what? You know what's funny? I think happens all the time is I think coaches at times, they overcomplicate things because it's really easy. It's simple. There's a scheme, the tactics. And if you want to get a player, you want to get to play the ball. You can get to play the ball. And you can get them the ball early. Yes. You don't have to get it to him often, but just to get him involved, let T touch it. Let Chase touch it. Okay, now I can run my offense. Yes. Now when. When the time comes and the defense dictates. Okay, now we can give him the ball, then allow the Florida offense to go through them. Hey, hey. They don't throw me the ball the whole first half. And they come the first quarter 84, what you like? I would like to get the ball in the first half. That's what I would really like. Now. Now y' all want me to be. Now y' all want me to be off as a coordinator? Yeah, y' all told me to stay at my place earlier. Now y' all want me to beat off as a coordinator? Yeah. Nah, I'm good. Keep doing. Spreading around. You know, we gonna spread it around, get everybody involved. Go ahead and get everybody involved. I mean, and we got a quarterback that want to spread it around, too. You know what I'm saying? So, like. But that's why me and T get along so much, you know what I'm saying? Because we got a quarterback that. That's going to spread it around, right? It's like, it's not like we going into the game. Like, it might be a game where we know 100% like, motherfucker, we feeding teeth, we feed chin. You know what I'm saying? You might know a couple of games. Other than that, we don't have those powers. Yeah, bro. You're not gonna have chase. You had 23 targets in the game, Chase. But listen, sometimes I don't even know that. I don't know that. He gotta come to me and be like, bro, Flacco game. Yeah. T be coming to me like, bro, you know, you got 15 targets. I'm like, huh? Like, you know, I just found out how to. With the iPads on. I be looking at that. So I just found that out. And he be telling me now, I don't never know until you tell me. Right? So tell us. You got a podcast now, right? Yeah, so tell us about the podcast. What you talking about? Yeah, so I got a podcast called Chasing no one. Well, overtime, and I got T helping me star in it. So I'm gonna get in a little. Little bit of that. You know what I'm saying? Try to get y' all on. We have some topics about that, so I like it. I'm gonna try to be in every bit of a topic as I can. Right, right. So is this gonna be. Is this gonna be year round? It's gonna be an off season thing? How you approach. I want to do it in season for real. That's the biggest thing. Right? You know what I'm saying? I want to try to give one episode during the week. Okay. But I'm not gonna push Tuesdays. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta. I gotta schedule out. That's my goal, though, to get it during the season, because that's more of like I get now they see how I'm thinking during the season. Yes. You know what I'm saying? What I got to say about the games, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of questions gonna be about what's coming up for my game, which I'm gonna try not to answer. Right, right. But that's the part that I want to show the fans, you know what I'm saying? Also from T, is it gonna be live or is it gonna be taped? It's some live. Some tape, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes I'm gonna try to try to stream from Twitch right now. I'm live on Twitch, so I'm doing that to help it out. So it's gonna be combined with overtime. Right. So is it just gonna be about that? Are you gonna let them see your date? Are you gonna let them see your day to day life? Okay, guys, we going to work out here. I'm going to eat here. I am T and I, Chase and I, Tia and I, we, we playing games, we playing FIFA, we playing Madden. Yeah. So my Twitch is really for like day in the life of behind the scenes, you know what I'm saying? So the camera follow me everywhere. Okay. And then a podcast is like me talking about your football life. Football life, you know what I'm saying? And now they seeing two different perspectives. And also I also do a YouTube channel too, too. I got a YouTube where I drop videos. T has one too. So, you know, I just showing off, you know, behind the scenes of a lifestyle, of everyday lifestyle. There's a lot of people want to know and ask questions about stuff like that. Right? I like it, I like it. How did you guys become so close? Because it seems like you, you guys are like, like you guys are almost like brothers. I mean, you guys are like really close. Y' all do a lot of things together. I see you guys in Miami. I think y' all purchased, y' all got cars, y' all purchase. Somebody got a McLaren, somebody got a Lambo. And then, you know, you guys, I mean, how did you guys become so close? I feel like, you know that first year. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Preseason, he come in, you know what I'm saying? He took a year off. He dropping balls. I go to the supercourse, I'm like, I'm like, Troy, man, I don't know, man, I don't know about this kid, you know what I mean? But then, man, you know, just working together, man, everybody every seeing each Other every day, you know what I'm saying? The bond just got closer and closer and it was just a no brainer. Hey, the off season is here now, obviously. What are you guys doing this off season away from the game of football? Me, you know what I'm saying? I'm down in Florida enjoying the weather, man. I'm trying to stay away from the cold. Oh, so you down. You down the street, stay away from the cold. But we just had. It was 40 degrees the other day. I was here. What you doing? What you doing this off season until before you get back in the groove of working. Working out, really, I'm just, you know, I got the podcast going. I'm trying to do the twitch. I'm trying to do a little more off the field stuff. Trying to get my, my off the field stuff going for me. You got to build your brand. Yeah, building the brand up. So that's the biggest thing I want to do first. And then, you know, I'm into the fashion stuff. So I'm gonna try to go to like Paris. I'm a line for the fashion world. You, you, you want to do a fashion line or you just like fat? You just. I mean, is that something you're interested in? I mean, open that door since you want to say that. Fabletics. Yes. You know what I'm saying? I'm with Fabletics. You know what I'm saying? This is my, this is my thing. So. Right. I'm coming out with right now. I already have a drop right now for the 2026. Yeah, I already dropped the line. Okay. And then I'm gonna drop another line after that in 2027. Try to come a little more cozy or fit a little more swag style with it. Can I get. Can I get a package? Yeah, I'm dibbling and dabbling a lot right now. I'm trying to all that. What? Can I get a package? I got you. I got you. You know, I'm aware I'm in the fashion too. It's easy. Just send me the sizes. The way it's going, I'm a large. I'm a large. What is it about fashion? Because you see a lot of NFL players. It wasn't like that when I played guys. Guys come with COVID all blue. You know, they came flip flops and everything. And you see guys now a little bit more fashion forward. They're wearing more of the designer. They're more focused and more conscious of their looks. What do you think? What, what contributed to that and why is that important? To YouTube. Well, me, I'm cool, laid back. I'm throwing on sweats, T shirts, black forces, and I'm cool. You know what I mean? But I dip it and dab a little bit in fashion. I don't really take it too serious. You take it serious? Yeah, I take it. I take it seriously. Yeah, I take it serious. Like he said I could, like, I could mix it up. Like, the thing about me, like, I don't care about being judged if I'm coming in, like, real, like, baggy, baggy jeans, you know what I'm saying? Oversized, stuff like that, because I know it's really the appearance and how I am as a person, that's just gonna give off, you know what I'm saying? And my clothes just make me feel better about my character when I'm talking at the end of the day, right? And that's what's gonna give me that edge on my swag, on how confident I am when I walk into an office and I'm talking about fabletics, you know what I'm saying? That's just how my. My mind gonna work about it. And over time. Time, I just got around more fashion world and just how it works. I just started to like it over time, you know what I'm saying? I started at a young age stealing my brother clothes out his closet, making my own swag, you know what I'm saying? So I've always been a clothes head. It's just now that I've had more access to it, I could do what I want. And plus, the thing is, you the right side. See, a big old N word like me. I'm sorry. See, that's the thing with me too, man. I might go shopping for some pants, right? I might think the pants look crazy, but. But then I try on, they coming up here. I'm not trying to wear no high water. That's the thing about y. Y' all gotta. Y' all got the custom stuff. That's the best thing. Nah, it ain't the best thing. No, I would. I want to go get it up. Oh, I like this. Right off the rack. That's what I want to do. Big and tall. Congratulations. Great season. Hell of a season. Congratulations, Chase. Great season. Continued success, man. Hey, team success is where it at. You want to build that brand win. Amen. Appreciate you, man. Thank you for coming on. Jamar. Chase T. Higgins. Thank you, guys. Appreciate you. In 2025, he had 55 receptions, 724 yards, and six touchdowns. Stugats here. I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow and I have brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugatsy Company Live, which is available in podcast form when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls. I love you guys show. It's one of my favorites. A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you could expect from Stugots Co. And Stugots Co. Live. So listen to Stugouts Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugats Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up man? This your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast? Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chiefs. What's a wrap? It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh my boy Matthew Stafford. Where did Bo Nicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically bro is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. And what conversation? Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or whatever. You get your podcast and the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is. You can decide who takes home the 2026 IHEART Podcast Awards Podcast of the Year by voting at iheartpodcastawards.com now through February 22nd. See all the nomin. Place your vote at iheartpodcast awards.com Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial@Audible.com is an unrestricted free agent this off season he is Romeo Dobbs. How you doing, bro? What's up, guys? Man, I'm good, man. I'm blessed, I'm breathing, walking. All the little goodies, man. That's all I need. I got a question. Why you keep wearing that ugly ass guardian cap? Hey, yo, hey. Better. Better safe than sorry. Yeah, I got you. I got you. Listen, unrestricted free agent, right? Yeah. What you've done for the packers, every time we turn, every time we watch a packers game, it's 87, cutting up. You are the safety valve. You, you are the. What's the word? I want to look for the outlet for brother Jordan Love. Yes, sir. What do you want to do? Man, I want to go back. I want to go back. And I love Green Bay. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? I love the structure, I love the coaching staff, I love how they go about things, man. And you know the rest. I'm going to just leave that unknown because I know, you know, I'm new to this game. I don't know what to expect, but I am aware of this business. I understand the situation in our room. What's going on, man? So, yeah, that's pretty much all I got with this business. I'm not blind, I'm not Ray Charles. But I understand your value. You understand your value. I know what you deserve. I know what you can get there, and I know what you can get elsewhere. Yes, sir. I'm gonna leave it at that. Cause I don't want to get you in no trouble saying the wrong things. But go ahead, Romeo. You guys in the division game, you. You went off, you had eight for a buck 24. You get out to that great lead. What happened? How did you let that game get away from the guy? Look, man, I'm still questioning that now, you know, and you know, we all know it's not easy losing in this league, especially in games like that. But to be very optimistic about this, it was very clear that Chicago had the better game plan. You know what I'm saying? The energy was right. Whatever they had going on, they were aligned. And there's absolutely nothing I can do at this point. You know, kudos to them. And again, that just gives me an opportunity to review that. Not even just that game, but just throughout the course of the year and just build off that moving forward. But that's all. You know what? It wasn't so much the last game because you did lose the final game of the season. And different than a playoff game is different than a regular season game, because there's finality to it, but you lost your last four regular season games, so it wasn't like you were going into the playoffs on a high note. What transpired over the last quarter of the season that you like, you got kind of got away from you guys? I don't know. I don't know. I really. I really don't know. And I know there is some answers that must be said right now. Yes, sir. But, yeah, man, I have no idea what went wrong, but it was very clear that to lose like that something went wrong. And again, I'm in the midst of. You know what I mean, still trying to figure that out. I try to deal with. There was a lot of last offseason Josh Jacobs talking about the receiver room. Say, we need a number one. We need a dog. They got one. And I'm sure you and Christian Watson and some of those other guys and Reed, y' all didn't take two calendars. What you mean, we need a number one? What you mean, we need a dog? You don't see us every day. Look, man, I love Josh. I was just rapping with him, you know what I'm saying? Just before we took off. But again, man, it's just, you know, just. It's the situation, bro. Like, you got my lose like that. Yeah, it's just. It's there. It's difficult. It's difficult. Very, bro. Yeah. Like, some of these things better left unsaid. Yeah. Be completely right. Honest about that. Right. But, yeah, bro, it's just. Especially if you got to go back in that locker room because y' all were looking at him sideways. No, no, no, no. Okay. Well, not me, because, you know, I don't like to think in that manner. Right. Because I know when something is said like that, it is very easy to take it that way. Correct. Right. So, you know, I never really. And again, I know what's. In the past days, in the past. I've never been. I never spoke to him about that. All we did was have great practices together, watch some tape together, go out, go bowling, whatever the case may be, bro, but that is not a lane you want to create. So I'm doing. I got a question. Because, I mean, you. You answering. Obviously, you want to be careful. You want to be PC. You don't want to piss anybody off, especially during the time that you're in. You're in a special place where potential employer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you want to go back? You had an Instagram post that almost. It was deemed like. Almost like A farewell to Green Bay. If you had it your way, would you love to go back to a team like the packers where any given Sunday, you don't know whose day it's going to be? Or would you like to go somewhere where you could be the dominant number one receiver and you know that offense runs directly through you? That's a great question, bro. If I'm being honest. Talk to love, man. Take your time. Yeah. Being around them guys, bro. Yeah, I would love to be around them. I would love. I would love to be around them. Yes, sir. And it's just the. It was just the foundation that I feel like we set in that room. Like, you know, we come in as young guys. You know what I mean? And not only did we understand that the situation was very unusual. Like, you get into a league, you get into the league, right? Yes. You got to get a guy like Stephan, you got to get a guy like yourself for you that. You know what I'm saying, went through those ropes. But when you get year one, year two, year three guys all together, growing together, I think there's beauty in that, bro. Yes. Yeah. But you know how this thing works. Yes, sir. There's a pie. Yes, sir. There's only so many slices in that pie. No matter. No matter how delicious that pie is. Yes. Yes. There's only slices. So many slices to go around. And somebody, if you want to. You might get a little small piece, or you might get a big piece, or I might have to leave and get the piece that I earned. That I've earned based on what I've done in this league over the last three, four, five years. Yes, sir. Yeah. And you deserve. I know you don't want to say it. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna talk for you. I'm gonna be your mouthpiece. You deserve the biggest piece of that pie. Because I understand what you can and can't do, what you can and can't do. And obviously, there ain't no goddamn camp, because I've watched you over the years. I understand the value that you bring to the Packers. I understand the value that you bring to another team if you're afforded the opportunity to go somewhere else. Yes, sir. Since you don't want to say it, I say it for you. And I appreciate you. You that nigger. My bad. But I will say this. No, we good, man. Way to be authentic, bro. Yeah. I will say this. I would like to see a little better concentration because I've seen you make some. How the hell he catch that and then they throw you a smoke rod and you drop it. I just need to see that concentration level, because I know it's there because I've seen you make the plays game in and game out, and I've seen you go stretches where you have three, four, five games. And I was like, okay, this guy's trending. He's a top 10 receiver. And then I'll see you. You drop a routine stuff, and it seems to. It seems to carry over. It's like you drop one and you don't let it go. It's like you still thinking about that play, the next play. And I would like to see you move past that to reach that ultimate goal, because that's what the great ones can do. They can make a mistake, they can drop a pass, and it's over just like that. And I appreciate that. That is very much noted. Very much noted. So, Romeo, Green Bay packers wide receiver. We don't know for how much longer, but he says he wants to return. He had an unbelievable season. His best season thus far as a pro. He finished the year. Hold on. We get back. Get back to his numbers. Who's the owner? Eight. Eight for 124. They're publicly true. That's a. A bunch of owners. The F8 catching for a buck 24 and a touchdown. That was in the. The. The. The wild card round. 55 catches, 724 yards, and six touchdowns when he's having to divvy up a lot of plays, a lot of. A lot of routes to other receivers. But, bro, great season. Keep your head up, no matter what. Don't fall in love with Augustine. Destination. Yes, sir. Don't fall in love with a destination. Yes. They'll use that against you. Oh, yeah. They'll use that against you. I'm saying don't fall in love with a destination, man. So appreciate you, Romeo. Thank you, man. Take care. Enjoy the rest. Enjoy your week. You promoting anything or you just here? I'm just. I'm here doing media. Okay. Here to speak. Yeah. Okay. I got. Appreciate you, bro. Have a great day. Appreciate y'. All. 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This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up man? This your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast? Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs. What's a wrap? It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now. Then Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh my boy. Matthew Stafford Nixon. He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking with Matthew Stafford is doing statistically. Bro is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. And what conversation should be in it? 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The illustrious, the incomparable 50 fold. What we talking about? That's right what we talking about? Come on, man. Y' all tell me, man. What we talking about? One of the greatest. Yeah, you suffered that broken. Broken and dislocated ankle, week six, right? How's the recovery going? Because they show some tape, and I thought they did a great job of not like, look, come on. Yeah, we could probably, but he's not going to be Fred, and let's not run the risk of doing any further damage. Let's give him a full offseason. So when we come back for training camp or when we come back for those OTAs, he's looking like the Fred Warner that we know he's supposed to look like. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those injuries, right? Like, I remember all throughout my career, I've seen that happen to a couple cats, like Dak Prescott, for example. I think he had that nasty one who's at home, right? Yeah. And it's kind of one of those ones. It's like a fear of yours. Like, you don't ever want to go through something like that because it just look nasty, right? And so when I'm in the moment and I feel this boom hit down my leg and I'm on the ground, I look at my stuff and it's pointing the opposite direction. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, immediate shock when it went through my body. Right. And so it is one of those things, though, and I am blessed that once they put it together and you start rehabbing and kind of getting the healing process going, you. You. You jump, you bounce back really quick. So the fact that I even had opportunity to return to practice during the playoffs, only three months removed from that, speaks to everything you need to know. Like, it's just. It's unbelievable. And you know what? You have the resources, you have the access to some of the best technology to be able to come back much faster than. Than others, as opposed to when we were playing, it was kind of different. How do you feel now in the rehab process when you're on the field? Do you have your lateral movement, your explosion? Is it all there? You have the flexibility, flexibility, everything, everything. And it's only going to get better as time goes on, right? It's just. It's one of those things that it's your new reality. Like, if you go beat it up, it's going, you know, you dealing with, like, the little swelling that kind of gets in there a little bit, the soreness, right. But as you keep going, man, you build that thing up from the ground up and do the Things. Right. I think you mentioned it perfectly. Like, all the, the resources that I got now. Yes, I'm. I'm super blessed and happy that I. It happened later in my career where I have all these resources, all these. All these relationships I built up throughout my career. So now when it happened, it's like I'm calling this person. I'm. I'm texting this person, okay, boom, boom, boom. We got a plan together. You know, I felt horrible for. Oh, Cam, Scatter. Boo. It was like two weeks after I did mine, he go and do his. And then, oh, Judkins with the. With the Browns, he had the same. I'm like, man, these guys are rookies that are just barely starting their career. They got to go through something like this. But those type of setbacks, man, it only make for a greater story when you do come back. Go ahead. I'm going to say one question before I talk about the defense and with you guys, with the high of Raheem Mars and everything. Yeah. What do you think about the noise and the talk and the conversations about the, The. The injuries that constantly happen to you guys? Much more than any NFL team because of the plant that happens to be close to the training facility. Your thoughts? Honestly? No. I mean, if I'm being honest, I think it's a little silly. I will say, like, thank you. The substation, the thing about it is it's been there for decades. Like, this ain't something that they just built up there the last five years or ten years that Kyle then, you know, had his team here. They've been practicing over at that substation forever. I don't. And now to say, is there something to it? I don't know. There's not enough research that's been done, and I think that's something that they'll maybe look into more. But, you know, the. The game of football, y' all know, it's a violent game and is a substation attributing to me breaking my ankle in half? No. You know, it's like there's this stuff that you just can't really overcome. Yes. And we do have an older roster, so, like a lot of our star players, quote unquote, and guys that you pay a lot of money to, like, when you're older, you're more susceptible to little things like hammies and growing and all these little things. So, yeah, man. I mean, at the end of the day, we got to always continue to find ways to be better health wise, because when we are healthy, we ain't we in that big game that they playing this this Sunday? Absolutely. Yeah. This might be a blessing in disguise because you say as you get older, you got a year and a half, you got, you got, you got a full, you got a full year off. What if you have Raheem and I don't know if he was there with you at any point in time. You had cross paths with Raheem, but he's. But Kyle and Raheem go way, way back. They were both on the Washington staff together when Kyle was calling plays for his dad. And Raheem, I think, was the DB coach back then. So what is your expectations about this defense? You finally got Robert Sala back last year. You had d' Amico and you had your best, some of your best years under d', Amico, most definitely. So what, what can you expect from Raheem to bring to this defense? You get Bosa back, you get some of those guys back that were injured, yourself included. So what can you expect from this defense? What can 49er fans expect from the 49ers moving forward? The expectation is always dominance. That's all that my expectation always is. And it's always been that since we've been here. You mentioned that Coach Salah d' Amico guys have built up this top five defense year in and year out, and that's the standard now, right? We, we're just trying to give ourselves the best chance to win a Super bowl. And in my opinion, man, defense wins championships. And so I think if we can build up a dominant group to help give us a chance to do that, I think Raheem is the best person for the job. I only hear glowing things about him. Correct. From everywhere that he's been. His players love him, staff coaches, everybody has loved him wherever he's gone. So I know he'll do a fantastic job. Talk about this super bowl, you know, this team, you familiar with one team. That's right, 13 to 3. The last game you didn't play in that game. And then you go out there and then they do a great job. They run the opening kickoff back and for the most part, the game was really never close after that. And you guys are going to have to step up because the Rams are in that division and they were lost the NFC Championship game. The team that they lost to is here in the Super Bowl. Talk about the Seattle and the jump that they made from one year to the next. It seemed like they got better defensively. It seemed like they got better offensively that Sam Darnold is like, oh, my goodness. Yeah. No, I mean, it's. They've done a really good job. You got, you got to tip your cap. Of course, I don't like any of the, the divisional rivals, and that's understood, right? It only matter if you, The Cardinals you beat up this year. It's still what it is. Like, we just don't like you. But you got to tip your cap when, you know, when teams play, you know, a certain style of ball that you, that you respect, and that's Seattle. Mike McDonald, the thing that he's instilled in their culture and the standard of play, you see it on every phase of their team. Offense, defense, special teams. Like, they're going to play physical. They're going to play a style of ball where they're relentless and they've done a great job through the draft, you know, building up. And you have these, these young star, power star players and like a JSN and a Devon Witherspoon that you can lean on while also adding in free agents like Sam Darnold to be your franchise quarterback. You, you pick up Rashid Shahid on the trade, the fourth, Ernest Jones. You talk about Mark Lawrence like they load. They loaded up their roster with the type of guys not only that are playmakers, but guys that fit that, that way of play that they, that they're doing. You talked about the standard, the standard in which you guys play at, right? And I think about the division which was the toughest division during my time. It was AFC north, right. The toughest division in today's game. NFC west. Is the NFC West. It's not even close. Do you feel, do you like that challenge. Challenge every year, or do you feel you're at somewhat of a disadvantage because of that? No, I love the challenge. Because at the end of the day, like, first of all, I don't, I don't feel like we should be measuring ourselves up against Seattle or the Rams. Like, no, you measure up yourself against the 49ers, because at the end of the day, we are a franchise of Super Bowls. Yeah. Five times super bowl champ. So the moment I stepped into that building, I knew what time it was. Like, you see them five super bowl trophies in the trophy case, and this is what the standard is. So. So we measure ourselves to that standard, which is winning Super Bowls. And so anytime we don't do that, it unfortunately is a failure. Now, was this past season a complete failure? No, you can't really say that because the things that we dealt with were real and the Things that we had to overcome and a lot of young players coming in, playing meaningful minutes. That's only going to help us, what we're trying to do next season. Do you think the naysayers can now be quiet? And has Brock Purdy done enough to keep everybody shush? They. They'll never be quiet. You know why? Because he was the last pick in the draft. And that's exactly why. They'll never see you anything, but never. They'll never see you as anything but that. It doesn't matter. He went a Super Bowl MVP. He went multiple MVPs of this league. They're always going to say, yeah, but okay. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. And so in my mind, he's by far the best line. Not linebacker. I'm talking about the best quarterback in this game. I like it because of what he's able to do on that field. Okay. He does. I love the fact that M. Jones was able to keep you guys afloat while Py was dealing. What he's done, you bring him back. People don't realize it, but at that position, if you don't have an adequate backup, your season can jump off or go off a cliff. Right off the rails. As soon as the starter goes down, that's it. You're like, damn. Yep. And you know, I do know. I mean, you say everything publicly. Oh, yeah, we going to keep the thing rolling. We got such and such. But if you don't really have that guy. Yeah, it's over. You see, you see on. Unfortunately for Denver, you got your Bo Nix. He breaks his ankle, and then they gotta rely on Jerry Stidham, who I think is a good quarterback, but he hasn't played. He hasn't played in two years. Right. So then you're relying on him in a snowstorm to go win you an NFC or AFC championship. It's tough, right? Like the backup don't get the amount of reps that a starter doesn't. Starter is a starter for a reason. For a reason. Yep. All Pro Pro Bowler. The best middle linebacker in football. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate you, bro. I'm here on behalf of experience, by the way, man. Help you save time and money and credit. I like it. What's my credit? You check your credit score on. On the app as well. Can you help me since you're a part of Experience. My credit score. Like, I know you. I know you like to save money now. Experience help you say that. And time. I got you. Yes, sir. I got you. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, boy. Appreciate that, friend. Thank you, man. Appreciate you, bro. Have a good one, man. Hey, get you some McDonald's that heal up fast. The black. Yeah, there you go. Don't do that, friend. Don't do that. We don't got older, Fred. We can't. We can't process it like we once could. Tomorrow. You played against both teams, Seahawks and the Patriots. You got to put some money that matters to you. Who you taking in the game? Seahawks. You taking the Seahawks? Yes, sir. What. What is it about the Seahawks that left the impression that, you know what? I understand both teams are more than worthy of being here. Both teams have earned and deserve the right to be here. What is it about the Seahawks that kend you that makes you think that they have the edge in this ball game? They're just more dangerous. You know, the Patriots, they're good, but the Seahawks are very dangerous, like, at. At every level on both sides of the ball. Like, there's a play that's waiting to be made they can run. Obviously, with K9 running the football, JSN, I mean, the way he. The effortlessness in which he runs, he. Like, he's just floating. He gives you no tales on when he's gonna break in or break out or he's gonna keep straight ahead. What is it that you like about his game? Because you covered a lot of receivers. You get the ones, you get the twos, and you've seen a lot of receivers over 18 weeks, over 19, excuse me, 20 weeks of the season. What is it about JSN that makes him so special and so unique? He's very fluid, I would say. You know what I'm saying? Like you just said, like, he. He doesn't give many tails, and I can see a lot of tails, but he doesn't give them often. And I think that's what kind of just separates his game. You know, he's able to make every catch and run every route, and he's able to go different places within the offense, and they move him around a lot, and he's able to make the plays. Yeah. Hey, listen, I've talked about you tremendously, damn near every week. I'm sure you've heard some of the things I've said about you because I love exceptional DVD play. Appreciate that. Your teammates, they call you crazy. Your teammates, they call you a lunatic because of your style of play. Loving to play man to man. Does it surprise receivers with your style of play? And have you had any difficulties with anybody that just stands out to you from the receiver position? Never had no difficulties. I feel like every time I step on the field, it's either good bump or I did something wrong. Every time I look loser up, I feel like I did something wrong. I don't feel like people just go out there and beat me. I feel like there's something that I either stepped wrong, I wasn't locked in. That's just how I feel like, that's how I grade myself. I feel like I'm here to step with anybody. You know what I'm saying? So I don't think that it's crazy. I just think that. I just think different. Like I'm just wired differently. Like I got everything. I'm here out the mud. You know what I'm saying? So I just feel like whenever I go out somewhere, I'm putting my best foot. I'm putting my best foot down every time. Yeah. And it showed from a rookie. Yes, sir, last year, it showed. Appreciate. Tell him how many times I talked about his style of play. And we always talk about Stingly. Sting, stingly. But hold on now. Y' all tripping. Hold on now. We got somebody just as good that brings just as much value at the position at the third level on the other side. Yeah. And I, I appreciate, I appreciate your work. Thank you. But you understand, because you have Sting on the other side, they going to try you. Oh, yeah. And I love it. Look, I tell Sting all the time. I was just talking to him yesterday. I'm like, sting, bro, I, I with you, dog. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you, you, you one on one. And that, that helps me be one. One. Because they, they not going at you. They want. They think I'm. I'm sweet. They think you the weak. I think I'm sweet. Try it, cuz. We try. Hey, we look here, when you're trying to go into someone's house, you to. Oh, that's locked. Yeah, that was locked. Oh, let me go. Let me step on him. Yeah, because you on the other side. But when you look at your defense, you guys are physical defense at every level. You got Algeria and you got. And the DB Petri, bro. Y' all are a physical defense. What is your mentality? When Demico got there, what was your guys's mentality? It's like, okay, let's lock in. Because looking at you guys and OTAs and look at you guys in training camps, we have an opportunity to be special. Yeah. I'm not going to lie. From the moment I got drafted here, I was like, dang, this is A good defense. Last year, we. We kind of gelled together. This year, we already had a year up under our belt. I mean, you look. You. Like you said, you look all three levels on the back, and you got cb, Me, Petrie, Sting, then you got Hendall. You got Z's then on our line. Come on. You ain't even say nothing about Will and Daniel. Daniel said nothing about Will. Y' all got rankings, Tim. Like, we got a lot of people, and they, like, we're just ticking time bombs. There's a play waiting to be made every single time we step on the field. So it's just fun going out there. Like, I knew as soon as we stepped on the field this year for OTAs, I'm like, oh, yeah, we're gonna be one of them ones. How is Demico Ryan's help you as a player evolve and get better this early in your career? You think? He's helped me a lot. He just pushes me. Like, I feel like I respect coach a lot because he. He drafted me, obviously. So I feel like there's a. There's a level of belief that he had in me from. From a. From the jump, and he just continued to push me. Like, he just wants me to be better. He wants me, like, this year, he's like, you had a good year, but I need you to go ahead and go to another level. Yeah. So it's just like, he said that last year. He's like, okay, you did it. You had a good year. Now let's go to this level. So I just feel like the more that you push me, like, the more you put on my plate, I'm ready to eat. You know what I'm saying? Put your GM hat on. Okay. You the GM of the Houston Texans. What is it that you guys need to do to get over the hump to me from the outside, looking in defensively, it don't get no better than that. What do you think y' all guys need to do to get over the hump so you can be in a situation like the Seahawks and the Patriots? Are you trying to set me up? Oh, no, no, no. You could do answer PC. That's all. That's why I said put your GM hat on. Gm. I think what we need to do, we got everything. We have everybody. We just. I think. I think depth because, you know, injuries happen. Absolutely. You know, injuries derail a lot of teams, so I feel like depth will be that you can never have too much depth. And I just feel like he's got to make the plays. Yeah, because you saw it when. When CJ Went down, your quarterback kept you afloat. Of course, until CB cops. A lot of times we just saw. And Fred was on here, and we saw with the Broncos, their quarterback goes down, and you need your court. You need your backup to come in in one game. Yeah. And that's the difference, because the margin of the NFL of winning and losing is so small because everybody at that level at one point in time was all state, all American, all world, all this, all that. So you're. It's not like it's Georgia playing tcu, Right. It ain't one of those situations. You know what? When I first got to the league, a guy told me, he said, shannon, every guy that's in the NFL can make every other guy in the NFL look foolish. Of course, if you just look at somebody talking about, well, they were drafted in the seventh round or they this or they that, the best. The. The worst receiver on a given day can make the best DB look foolish. Look, of course. And y' all know how it is. Like, it. The margin for error is so small, like you said, and it's like, that's what it boils down to, making the plays. But it takes so much to be able to make the play. You got to be in the right position. You got to be able to do a lot of stuff, and it just. We just got to lock in on the details, man. Unbelievable season, man. Best of luck. Appreciate y'. All. Don't get satisfied oh, no. Don't get satisfied. Continues to eat. Yes, sir. Overeat. Yeah. Hey, Overeat. I want some of that work, too, bro. Look, I ain't running. Hey, I want some of that work. Look, look, I've been. I've been waiting to get up. I've been waiting to get up with you for a long time. Come on. You sure look back in the day, huh? Talk to me. They used to call. They, like, around the way. They used to be like, you look like little Ocho. Oh, yeah, yeah, they used to say that. They used to say that. Yeah. Yeah, they used to say that. Well, you know, these feet. These feet still work just fine. They do. Where your cleats at, huh? They in the trunk. Hey, mine in the trunk, too. Appreciate you, bro. Congratulations. Stay healthy. Keep. Stay hungry. Yes, sir. How you doing, man? Congratulations. Thank you, brother. Joining us. Played with the 49ers from 2017 to 2020, Patriots from 2021 to 2024. Now he's back with the 49ers 3537 catches, 551 yards. Kendrick Bourne. Well, man. How y' all doing, man? How you doing? Hey. Well, you look happy. Well, you look excited. You look joyous. Talk to me. Good, man. Yeah. God is good. Life good. Family good. Yeah. Health good, man. Got a good perspective about life, man. I'm living, man. What got you feeling like this? It's just I'm not supposed to be here. Undrafted, you know what I'm saying? Talk your talk a little contract. Take your time. I got released this year. But adversity helped you grow. Yes. And how you look at it, I'm on that wave, man, building my own brand, building stuff that I want, you know what I'm saying? But using football as a platform. Yeah. And so I got something to look forward to. I'm inspired by y', all, man. You know what I'm saying? Nightcap, things y' all doing. Yes, sir. It's inspiring, bro. After the game. How do you do that, though? Because one of the things you just said, you got released. You know what that does to you, mentally? Mentally, that can crush you. Come on. Most people are not able to come back from something like that happening. What do you account or what do you attest to, you being able to overcome that and still go forward? It's never too high, never too low. Yes, sir. So, you know, I'm saying you're going to be at the bottom sometimes. You're going to be at the peak. Come on, now. How do I stay level, bro, when I'm down, up? Am I who I say I am when I'm up or down? And that mentality, bro, has gotten me through. So even when I'm losing, bro, I'm always happy, smiling because I know life good, life big life bigger than just football. And I'm saying that we look at. So that perspective has helped me get this far, man. I like it. Yes, sir. There was, of course, that you really didn't want to leave New England, but, hey, they wanted to move in a different direction. And you go back to the 49ers where it originally started. What was your expectations when you got back to the 49ers, considering now they let Debo go, Brandon Iuk situation with what it was, but really, they didn't like, they had a whole lot of number one receivers. So you had Pierce, all you had Juwan Jennings. They resigned. DeMarcus Robinson. So what was your expectations when you went back to the 49ers? What were you expecting from Kendrick? That's a great question, man. It's just God's story. Story, too. Like me him bringing me home. Like, you're saying, of course I want to play in the Super Bowl. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'll be lying if I did. Like, I want to play, but God's story different. So going back home, connecting with Mac Jones, being connected to the Patriots in that space, and then us balling our opportunity, I didn't know what to expect. But having that right perspective, you know what I'm saying? Thinking with the glass half full, not like, well, I ain't gonna go out there and play. They got this and that. So just having my mind in the right space, man, it allowed me to make. Maximize my opportunity. And I'm right here right now. Even on, like, social media, the story was great. So monetizing that story being home just helped me be where I'm at right now. What's the difference culturally, being that you've been in both places, you've been over there with the Patriots, been over there with the 49ers. From a cultural difference. Yeah. Do they differ much? Being that the both. Both. Both entities always have always had success? Nah, dog. The Patriots differ. They. You go over there. Oh, yeah. No, it's serious, bro. So more militant, more blue collar. And then Shanahan Ch. Football all the time. Check your e. Leave your ego at home. Because if you check your ego at the door, you might. We get a break, you'll go get it. Leave your ego at home. Bring your ass here to work. We work. It's football. It's football. It's football. It's not you even where it sat. Like being in. In Foxborough. Right. Cold. It's just tough. And anything about San Fran? Yes. It's more like California. It's just that kind of vibe. Yes, sir. When you in Cali, you good? Got the sunglasses. You ain't got. Look at. I don't know how y' all do it, but, you know, you got to pad you in and pads you in shorts. Everything is really speed and tempo. You put the pads on, you get pads nine on seven. You do the team stuff on Thursday, then you take the pads off for half the year, and then you out of the pads and then you good. You know, Shadow had. They treat you what you need on the road. You get the smoothie. Hey, you want to watch a fight on the road? I mean, look, I know Kyle. Kyle was a little kid when I was playing for his dad. Crazy. So I know what that system is like. But I also Know people that have played with the Patriots, and I know what that system is like. It's different. And I love Kyle. He got the ways of doing things. He know how to get the superstars over there. Some guys ain't trying to be blue collar and work hard, but everybody operate different. So if you go to New England, anybody get. Get. You get your mind right, and if you go to San Fran. Get your mind right. But it's going to be a different kind of operation. It's. It's. I. This is what I tell people. I said it's easier to get drafted into New England as opposed to being drafted somewhere else and going to New England. That is facts. Because. Because it's easier to, like, go tough and get easier. It's harder to be easier and get tough because you're like, hold on, bro. This because we heard Drake Greenlaw, you heard what he said, how he grew up in San Francisco, came from San Francisco. All he knew was cows, that west coast system. And then you get Sean Payton, who's old school. Real old school. Old school. They thudding it up. Practices alone, meetings alone. And that's a great point. So, like, for my story, going from San Fran. Tube to Patriots was that I experienced. I had to adjust. And it was like a shock, a whirlwind, and I'm like, all right, bro, I need to adapt. How do I adapt? So I learned a lot, which was powerful. But if you don't get your mind right, yeah, well, you go. You're gonna fold. In my career, it got. It got rough a little bit. You got. Coach Belichick, who's very. His father was in. Was militaristic. Everything is structured. Everything is time. You're gonna be on time. It ain't no late. It ain't no excuses. We are a no excuse zone. Chad. No, listen, you don't have to hear me. Hey, first. Firsthand. And I'm coming from Cincinnati, so I'm not really coming from a background of success. I'm not really coming from a background of winning all the time. Now, one thing my little black ass did is I work. So that was the one thing I didn't have to adapt to that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wherever I'm at, you know what you're gonna get? That's fire. But that militant atmosphere that when you go to practice, KB and you got to have on every single pad, like, come on. I'm out there with my hip pads in. I ain't wore my. I ain't wore my hip pads and butt Pads since I was an optimist. It's that serious. What are we talking about, bro? How he not first ballot, though? Oh, it don't make sense though. I wanted. Yeah, I, I, I don't know. We've had a couple of people on there trying to ask how much do you think Spygate played a role in that? That's what I'm saying. And it's funny because that's not my ERA and my time. So my experience with Bill and like, what he taught me. Yeah. I'm like, nah, he first ballot, I remember I ran. He did a, he did a tackling drill. It's called sideline skinny. Yes, sir. Where he set up defenders. You run down the sideline, you do certain things. You, you make one defender stop his feet, make the other defender, and then you throw a stiff arm at the end. Man, I had a game, Tennessee Titans. I, I was on the sideline, man. The drill came to life, man. Really? I'm not even kidding, dog. And I said, this boy a guru. Yeah. And I, you know, I knew how to run with the football, but the repetition of that. At first I'm like, man, I hate this drill. But then I won the game for us. Yes. But he like, I told you, boy. Yeah, I like. You can't tell me, dog. So, so I think he like, that's different to me in a sense. But you got an opportunity to see. And I just want to tell people, Nocho said the same thing. If you get him out of a situation where it's just not football. He does have a kind of laid back personality. He will joke, but you got to get him away where it wins and losses don't matter because if it wins and losses matter, you're going to get Coach Dart. You're going to get what you get. Don't talk to him. So I love that about him. You know what I'm saying? He's the ultimate competitor. Ultimate like coach of the game, presenting. It looks different things. So he helped me a lot in my career. But he's big in situations, aren't he? Because he's a situational guy. Cuz everything at the like this is going to come up at some point in time and I want to prepare you. He is not a believer that having you dive and put the football out to go across the goal line, you better not take, put that ball out. It ain't. But boy, my boy was trolling me about fumbling. Why didn't he come back in the game? What you say? Like trying to dive for them or just fumbling? Oh, he don't play. But what you're saying, he care that much? You can't get him a possession turnover. It's all situational to him. So that messes with his mind. Get him out the game. Yeah, I don't care. I don't care if you're the starter. He might. If you. If you like. Like, if it's you, you might have went back in the game. I'm like, you ain't go back here. I'm tier two. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, Kendra. Thank you all, man. Appreciate you, bro. I got some shirts for y'. All. Right. What size y' all wear? I'm a lot. I'm a large double. I'm like 205. Now, you want boxy or regular? Huh? Boxy. Tea. I want boxy. Hey, I'm still trying to look young. Appreciate you, bro. I'll bet he started his career in 2013 with the Philadelphia Eagles, and then he spent 2013 to 2016, and then he goes to the Buffalo Bills from 2017 to 2023, and he spends one year in Miami and now he's back with the Buffalo Bill. Signed late August, activated week six. You back home, Buffalo? I mean, I think, you know, you've been a lot of stops, but I think you would consider Buffalo your home. Absolutely. As far as team wise, that game in Denver, was that as painful of a loss that you've been a part of? It was up there because, I mean, the Kansas City losses, I'm sure some of those. For sure, it was up there. You know, I was hurt that game, so I wasn't able to be out there with the boys, so even. Even more harder to watch. Yeah. As part of the. Obviously the 13 seconds, you know, I had some tough losses in the. In the previous years, but, yeah, that was up there. You know, game comes down to what it came down to. Everybody has gonna have their opinion on this, that or the other. You know, one play here or there, you know, it is what it is. And, you know, we gotta. We gotta take that one and take that one on the chin, you know? Yeah. Now that we're in off season, how's the body feeling? How are you holding up? What's next? Yeah, man. You know, this was the first year I felt healthy in a long time. Yes. I took my hamstring. I'm 34. Still doing it at 34, bro. Yeah, I love it. You know what I mean? Still doing that, bro. Which is. It was. It was incredible season. Right. I came to sign on the practice squad. Ended up, you know, being on starting by week four, week five. You know, love the boys out there. Body. Body felt great. It was the healthiest that I felt in a long time, you know, as I transitioned to, you know, whatever's next, you know, I am a free agent right now, so, you know, Buffalo is home. Do you want to continue to play? I would. I would be open to continuing to play, really, mostly in Buffalo, because I love. Is that where your home is? That's not where home. Home is. But, you know, I spent most of my career out there. I'm on the down. I'm on the backside of my career, man. I went back. There's no. No such thing as backside. There's no such thing as backside. That is something that they put in our head to make it seem like it's time to move up 100%, you know, speaking of, you know, we could always use the safety down in the five, one, three, just in case. I'm putting that out there right now, just in case, you know, for sure. I could talk to Mike, you know. No, I'm for sure open to keep playing, man. Okay. Still play at a high level. And again, you know, whatever. Whatever happens is gonna happen. The year before Miami, right. Super tough. You know, I signed there after I got cut from Buffalo. Kind of want to get my. Get back on the Bills. Right, Right. Just end up getting smacked by him twice the whole season. Getting smacked around. You know, the idea coming back this year was to finish my career the right way. Right. Go back to Buffalo. But, you know, I'm hoping to keep playing. I can still play the game at a high level. I love playing this game, and I play the game because I love the game. Yeah, definitely. I love. I love playing. I love competing, love being out there with my boys. But, you know, again, as I transition, I'm more transitioning to the. To mental health, mental awareness. And I think a lot of. I think a lot of us as we transition, we have this identity crisis. I want to say, not crisis, but just, you know, we have our whole lives, we've been playing this game, and that's been our identity. As we transition, we kind of. We lose that. And so finding ways to. To understand who you are outside of football. So, you know, we do a lot of events, holistic events, breathworks. We're going on tour in May. In May with artists. We're blending, you know, mindfulness, dance, breath, work, medicine, all together and music all together. Bringing 300 people together and. And breathing Deep, man. So excited about the transition. Whatever's next. Whatever's next, man. I'm, you know, I look up to you guys all the time. Just seeing you guys doing your thing, man, and that's motivation in itself. You know, I know I have a voice. I know I, I see the game the way that I see the game. I know I can talk about the game, but we'll see what happens. Man, I'm just enjoying life. You said something very interesting. You said, you know, this thing of this football, because for the better part of your life, everything has been structured. You're going to be here at this time, you're going to be here at that time, you're going to be this, this and this. And all of a sudden you leave the game of football and there is no more structure. Because now I don't have meetings at 10 o' clock in the morning. I don't have practice at this time, and I don't have a game and I don't have this and I don't have that. So as, as you start to make that transition, because like you said, I got less time in the league than I, than I previously had. So what, what's been that transition like for you? How have you started to put those pieces in place to make sure? Because football is what I did is not who I am. Yeah. And that's a great question because I struggled with that for a long time. You know, I struggled with alcohol for a long time, especially early on in my career, probably six years of my career. Been. Been sober for five years now. Congrats. And you know, as I've, as I've transitioned into sobriety and I've learned a lot more about this world that we're in. About myself, I've learned, you know, I'm more than a football player. Right. Like, football is what I do and it's what I love. I love playing the game. Right. But it's not who I am. And so understanding, I think that transition is understanding your purpose or having a purpose, right? Like. Like what is your purpose for being here on this planet? Like, why did God bring you here? And for me, I, I just believe it to be a light man, to be a light in this world to shine to. And I, I don't pretend to sit here and know everything about everything, but I know enough about, enough to understand, like, you know, there's more to this than, than, than what we see on our daily day basis, you know, and when we go inward, when we dive within, when we look within when we look within ourselves, we can understand ourselves and understand, be aware of the daily decisions that we make and those decisions and the consequences that come from those decisions. And you know, it's just, it's an awareness, right? It's an awareness. The same thing like you know, for what is pressure, right? Like in fourth and fourth, gotta have it. What is pressure? Pressure? You, you're in a, in a situation and you. Pressure is, you have expectations that the situation should be this. And so you're thinking, you're thinking outside of the now moment, right? Like the moment is now. There is no such thing as pressure because it's only now. And so when you have, when you can collect, when you can, you know, we train our bodies all year, all year long, right? We train our to, to go out there and perform on Sunday, to be at our best. Our brain is a muscle too. And so I, I believe that especially as younger athletes, we, we, we, we have the ability to train our brain to, to go within and to learn about pressure. Learn about why you feel the way you feel in certain situations, your emotions, learn how to control your emotions, to have awareness of your emotions. You know, why does this piss me off? Why does this, you know, why, why does this tick me off? Why does she always come in with bad attitude? And you know, you can then change, shift your, shift your energy, right, and put more authenticity and more love into the world and you see how the universe starts to work. Yeah, we can sit here all day and talk about the laws of the universe and, and you know, all the spirituality stuff. I say all that to say, you know, we are all more than athletes. You know, we are all more and we are all one. We are all connected beyond what you can even fathom. And I think it's all important for us to continue to share our life just like you guys are doing, sharing your light, being who you are and not being afraid of that. And that's, as I transition, that's, that's what I'm continue to keep doing. You understand this league is a quarterback driven league and you played with one of the better quarterbacks. But the expectations are, the greater the player, the more expectations are placed. Be it fair or unfairly. That is just the way it is because we know that this is why they make the most money. This is why they get the most endorsements. That's why their face are plastered all over everything. Do you think Josh in this situation, does he understand the magnitude and the gravity of what's in store? What's, what's been placed on him. Absolutely. I mean, he's face of the franchise, he's face of the NFL, you know, but he's still. He's still Josh, you know, he's still in the building, you know, being himself. He understands. He understands his. His aura. Right. He understands who he is. And it's the best quarterback in the league, in my opinion, and he'll be the best quarterback in the league until he's done playing. My opinion. And, you know, I always love riding with Josh, and, you know, unfortunately, we haven't been able to get it done in those big games, but, you know, he's always somebody that's going to come back and keep fighting and keep, you know, and keep throwing and keep running people over, keep hurling people. And so he does. He does understand the weight of the. The world is on his shoulders, but I think he rises to that in the moment. You know, he played hurt the last three games of the season. He plays through. Yeah. I mean, you see it in his interviews. Know, they ask him, hey, you hurt this in the game? He's like, no, I'm good. Like. Like what? Right, brother? Everybody saw you have a. Saw you, have you. You hurt your hand, twisted your knee or whatever. But, like, that's who he is. Right? He's a competitor. And I. I go to war with him 100 out of 100 days because I see it, yeah, like, in his eyes before the game. And yeah, you fall short. It just, it happens. But how you going to respond? And I know he's going to respond the right way. I like it. Appreciate it, Joy. I appreciate you, Buffalo Bill. Thank you, man. Appreciate that. All the best stots here. I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to iHeart, and I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern, Cults and Company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day, you can expect a lot of laughter, great guests, a ton of calls, and a lot of fun. Listen to Stugats Co. Live and our original podcast, Stugatson Co. And God bless Football. 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