Best NFL Interviews Radio Row Part 2: Stephen A. Smith, Bo Jackson, Trey McBride, More!

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Best NFL Interviews Radio Row Part 2

Guests: Bo Jackson, Orlando Brown Jr., Emmitt Smith, Aaron Jones, Trey McBride, Stephen A. Smith, more
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Ocho Cinco, Nav Green, others)
Date: February 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

Recorded live from Super Bowl Radio Row, this energetic, wide-ranging episode of Club Shay Shay brings together NFL legends, stars, and sports personalities for a series of rapid-fire interviews with Shannon Sharpe and co-hosts. The central theme is a celebration of football culture and candid conversations around athlete health, career journeys, and Super Bowl insights. The episode balances humor, wisdom, and real talk—from Bo Jackson’s men’s health advocacy to Stephen A. Smith’s unfiltered playoff predictions—making it a rich listen for sports fans seeking both entertainment and depth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bo Jackson: On Health, Legacy, and Giving Back

[01:43 - 21:08]

• Personal Health Revelation:
   Bo shares he is four months cancer-free after prostate surgery, emphasizing the importance of early testing and breaking the stigma among men.
   “The first thing that men think...is my sex life over? That’s bull.” (Bo Jackson, 04:40)
   He discusses men’s reluctance to talk about health issues openly, contrasting it with women’s openness about their own.

• Life Lessons:
   Reflects on his dual-sport career and handling adversity:
   “God puts speed bumps in everybody’s road to life. And it’s up to us to slow down, get over that speed bump, move on…” (Bo Jackson, 02:51)

• New Mission:
   Promotes new podcast, Bo Knows Men’s Health, designed to spark men’s conversations about personal health and medical care with actionable plans to improve access to screenings.

• Legacy Beyond Sports:
   Bo says his greatest impact comes now:
   “It’s not about Bo Jackson and what he's done in sports. It’s about what I’m doing now.” (Bo Jackson, 17:34)

• Family Fun:
   Shares funny and loving stories about grandparenting, favoring his grandkids over his own children, but always with humor and pride.

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2. Orlando Brown Jr.: Commitment to the Craft

[26:27 - 32:03]

• Training Philosophy:
   Unlike others, stays in Cincinnati to train year-round for consistency.
   “For me as a big guy, I gotta stay in it and keep my routine.” (Orlando Brown Jr., 28:06)

• On Team Needs:
   Advocates for building depth in the trenches:
   “You can never have enough D-linemen... That’s what it takes in this league.” (Orlando Brown Jr., 30:45)

• Career Longevity:
   Aims to play until 40, celebrating the influence of his football family and the culture of “giving all”—shooting for a gold jacket (Hall of Fame).

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3. Emmitt Smith: What Makes a True No. 1?

[32:15 - 44:51]

• Cowboys Receiver Debate:
   Weighs in on George Pickens-CD Lamb dynamic:
   “A number one don’t quit. A number one goes through and don’t pout when he doesn't get the ball.” (Emmitt Smith, 37:12)

• Lessons in Teamwork & Humility:
   Recounts being called out by coach Jimmy Johnson—not for him, but so everyone would see accountability reached even the best players.
   “That wasn’t for you... It was for everybody to know if I can get on my best players, then you don’t stand a chance.” (Emmitt Smith, 44:02)

• Locker Room Leadership:
   “What kind of football player am I? I don’t have to talk about it. It goes in the room before I get there.” (Emmitt Smith, 42:03)

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4. Aaron Jones: Resilience and Mindset

[48:24 - 59:22]

• Moving Past Injury:
   Aaron shares his frustration with a tough season but underscores the growth of his leadership and motivation to regain running back dominance:
   “When I’m healthy and out there, can't be f’d with at all... Still him. Best running back.” (Aaron Jones, 50:20)

• Team Execution:
   Advocates mistake-free football and collective accountability in the huddle:
   “It comes down to execution and minimizing the mistakes.” (Aaron Jones, 51:28)

• Perspective on Quarterbacks:
   Encourages patience with young QBs, noting not everyone becomes a star instantly—development over time matters.

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5. Trey McBride: Breakout Tight End, Team Aspirations

[59:26 - 66:09]

• Madden Ratings & Recognition:
   In good spirits about almost being rated a 99 in Madden after a historic season.

• Individual vs. Team Success:
   Addresses personal accolades vs. team goals, expressing hunger for postseason play:
   “Just consistency, being able to do it over and over... makes a great tight end.” (Trey McBride, 63:50)

• Coach & Quarterback Adjustments:
   Excited for new OC and open to whichever QB starts, while underlining the need to finish games and step up with more defensive attention.

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6. Stephen A. Smith: Basketball Trade Deadline & Super Bowl Take

[66:40 - 77:25]

• NBA Trade Rumors:
   Deftly addresses the possibility of big trades for Giannis and Ja Morant—unlikely, but possible.

• Assessment of Giannis/Ja:
   Worries about Giannis’s injury history and calls for Ja to evolve his game beyond driving to the basket.
   “I see no change in his game...shooting 23% for three-point range, that’s the second worst in the NBA.” (Stephen A. Smith, 68:43)

• Super Bowl Analysis (Seattle vs. New England):
   Picks Seattle for their completeness and questions New England’s ability to score:
   “The only shot New England has—hold Seattle to 20 points or less, because I don’t see them scoring more than 20.” (Stephen A. Smith, 72:41)

• Signature Style:
   Good-natured banter with Shannon Sharpe and others on Miami’s lifestyle, friendship, and supporting each other during tough times.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bo Jackson on Men’s Health:
   “They think that we could go out here and tackle a bear and knock him out. But we’re afraid to have that conversation with the doctor.” (06:42)

• Bo Jackson’s Life Philosophy:
   “If I can put some sunshine in one somebody’s cloud, I’ve done my job.” (17:34)

• Emmitt Smith on Leadership:
   “Make it about them [teammates]. That’s how you get the running game going, the pass game going. If Dak is on his back, he can't throw a damn pass.” (44:40)

• Orlando Brown Jr. on Longevity:
   “I want to play this game as long as I can...hopefully, we look back when I’m 40, I walk away and I got a gold jacket.” (31:20)

• Aaron Jones on Coming Back:
   “I want to play this game as long as I can until they tell me I can’t.” (55:29)

• Trey McBride on Being Covered:
   “It’s a lot harder to get open now…means more when I catch a ball now because I really had to work for it.” (64:37)

• Stephen A. Smith on Podcasting:
   “He a pioneer. I’m following him. So I’m good with it.” (67:02)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Bo Jackson on Men’s Health and Cancer: 02:12–21:08
• Orlando Brown Jr. on Training & Team Building: 26:38–32:03
• Emmitt Smith on Leadership & NFL Culture: 32:15–44:51
• Aaron Jones on Injuries & Team Resiliency: 48:24–59:22
• Trey McBride’s Breakout Season & Growth: 59:26–66:09
• Stephen A. Smith on NBA & Super Bowl Preview: 66:40–77:25

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Tone and Style

Upbeat, candid, and at times, uproariously funny. The panel is unfiltered, blending sage wisdom with playful jabs and mutual respect. The language is authentic and conversational, with legendary guests sharing real stories and direct opinions.

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Final Thoughts

This episode demonstrates the camaraderie, depth, and authenticity of NFL culture—past and present. Whether it’s Bo Jackson’s advocacy, Emmitt Smith’s lessons in humility, or Stephen A. Smith’s bombastic analysis, listeners get unique insight into what drives greatness—and how athletes continue to shape their legacy both on and off the field.

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Transcript

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[Nav Green]

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[Ocho Cinco]

Harry, your former Raiders running back outfielder for the Kansas City Chiefs and the White Sox.

[Bo Jackson]

Hey, Kansas City. Royals.

[Ocho Cinco]

Royals. Royals. He's the only player to be a Pro Bowler and an MLB All Star in the same season, a Heisman Trophy winner, one of the greatest running backs in collegiate football history, and arguably he gonna say who you arguing with? The greatest athlete of all time. There he is.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Absolutely the legendary.

[Ocho Cinco]

Does anybody really know your first name?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

It's both.

[Bo Jackson]

People don't know.

[Aaron Jones]

Pleasure.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's business.

[Bo Jackson]

Bo, how you doing bro? I'm doing great and as far as my name is concerned. Now you all don't know this because you're too young, but your parents will back in the 60s. There was a TV doctor. His name was Dr. Ben Casey. He had a TV show like Marcus Welby.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay?

[Bo Jackson]

His name was Dr. Ben Casey. His real name was Benson Edwards.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[Bo Jackson]

I think my mama had a crush on him, so she named me Vincent. So she named me Vincent Edward. So that's my name, Vincent.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay. I like that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Do you ever think it's like, you know what, how good you could have been if you said, you know what, I'm just gonna play baseball, or if I'm just gonna play football? Or was your dream always to play both sports at the highest level?

[Bo Jackson]

I. I've never thought like that. For the simple reason it was in the cards for me to do exactly what I did, period. It was in the cards for me to get injured July 13, 1990. It was in the car. It was in the cards for me not to be in the hall of Fame or to go to the Baseball hall of Fame or go to Baseball hall of Fame or the Football hall of Fame. It wasn't meant. It wasn't meant for me to be. If they had it back then, as far as the NIL is concerned, I would have to take a pay cut to go to the NFL and baseball. So it wasn't meant. But I'm happy with the way my life turned out. I say this, and I'm not a very religious man, but God put speed bumps in everybody's road to life. And it's up to us to slow down, get over that speed bump, move on down the road, okay? Because if you don't slow down when you're going over the speed bump, what's gonna happen?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

No crash.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes. So the thing that I did slowed down, got over, and I didn't worry about my injuries, I didn't worry about my hip.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

Climbing, man upstairs got a bigger plan for us. And now, and I'll tell you this, I'm four months cancer free.

[Ocho Cinco]

Really? What type of cancer did you have? You don't mind us asking?

[Bo Jackson]

My urologist found two cancer spots on my prostate. Now, they say now. They said, well, we could treat it. I said, no, hell, you can't. You gonna take this motherfucker out. I said, I'm 63 years old, dude.

[Evan Smith]

Right?

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah, but I said, but I didn't live my life, but I didn't been in something. And the first thing that men think. Cause I know the first thing y' all think.

[Ocho Cinco]

Prostate.

[Bo Jackson]

He got next year. My sex life, old man. That's bull. That's bull. That's bull.

[Ocho Cinco]

You were taking them Roll sparse, then.

[Bo Jackson]

No, no, no. But there's medication out there for you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

To where? If you want to be intimate with your girl, which you. But you can.

[Ocho Cinco]

You can.

[Bo Jackson]

At the drop of a hat.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn.

[Bo Jackson]

At the drop of. But that's all. Having knowledge about this. But we as men.

[Evan Smith]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

I tell you what, women can go on TV and they could talk about they've had a hysterectomy. They've had cervical cancer. They've had breast cancer. They talk about everything.

[Evan Smith]

Leakage.

[Bo Jackson]

They sit up and talk about it and have a glass of wine. But we as men.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

We ain't talking about. We wearing a depend. We ain't talking about none of that. We ain't talking about, hey, my doctor found out that I got a lump in my breast, but then I got breast cancer. We don't talk about that because it's taboo.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

We got to be the alpha male.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

We got to be that alpha dog, the strong person that's going to sit up and be on top of everything.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

We can't let somebody know that we got bothering us. So with us, we keep all that balled in. The only time we talk about it is we were behind closed doors with that one doctor.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

Sometimes we don't go home and tell our family.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nope.

[Bo Jackson]

No. Because our family look us as being the leader, the top dog, and we want them to continue to do that. But see, after my surgery, first thing I did, call buddies that I played, that I went to high school with, got on a conference call with all my baseball teammates, talk to my teammates on the football team, talk to guys that I played against, guys I played with in the pros on both baseball and football. Go get checked, man.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

They had big on the thing that we could go out here and tackle a bear and knock him out. But we're afraid to go have that conversation with the doctor because we're afraid of what he's going to do.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Nav Green]

I don't.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't want to know.

[Bo Jackson]

See, and that's it. You hurting yourself, and you're being selfish when it comes to your family.

[Ocho Cinco]

You absolutely right.

[Bo Jackson]

You hurting yourself. Yep. You're hurting yourself. But in the thing that I realize is that I'm Bo Jacks. If it could happen to me, can you imagine now, after my surgery, you would not believe the number of ex professional athletes have gone through what I just went through.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Nobody knows I had the same thing because I had.

[Ocho Cinco]

I dealt with it in 2016.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

But they don't they caught it early. I had seed implant where they do the radioactive seeds, like the size of rice pellets. They put them in there, and it emitted a radiation for 21 days. I didn't have to have mine removed.

[Bo Jackson]

But now I have to say this. Having seeds is one thing, but cancer is just like Mother Nature. Cancer is just like mother Nature.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

They both undefeated. They both undefeated.

[Ocho Cinco]

You try to keep it at bay as long as you can.

[Bo Jackson]

But the thing about it. You know what? I know because I sit down and talk to my daughter doctor, my surgeon. You know what I know because every six months, you looking over your shoulder, y. You dread going back to the doctor.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

And you shouldn't go through that. Listen, Big Cu. I had my first PSA test. My numbers were 001. And before my surgery, my number was over 67.

[Evan Smith]

Wow.

[Bo Jackson]

See, the thing about is that they have a Gleason score.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

And the psa.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

You have to combine.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

And if you're over 7, you got to get something done.

[Ocho Cinco]

Absolutely.

[Bo Jackson]

And mine was 7.1, 7.2. Last three weeks ago, I got my PSA back, and then we 0.01. So you get it taken care of.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Evan Smith]

You don't have to.

[Bo Jackson]

You. You don't. You're not looking over your shoulder every five or six months, both being one.

[Ocho Cinco]

Did you realize how special you were when you was in high school? When you was in college, did you realize you were this special?

[Bo Jackson]

I wouldn't call it special. No, Bill.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

No, you. You were special. You were special.

[Bo Jackson]

But I enjoyed having the parents of the other teams sitting in the stand pissed off. Yeah. Get that man off the field with our children. Yes. But I. But I enjoyed that because we. Now, a lot of people don't know in our backfield. Yeah. There were two other backs that. That was just as fast as me in high school and as dangerous as me. Our three backs in. In. In the backfield, we were the state 4x1 relay team for four years in a row. And I anchored the 4x1.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn.

[Bo Jackson]

So we got the tight end to be the second leg. Right.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

The tight end was moving like that.

[Bo Jackson]

No, but he was 6, 3, 64 here. He had a long stride.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Bo Jackson]

But we just had to fill in with somebody.

[Aaron Jones]

Right?

[Nav Green]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

You gotta have four runners.

[Bo Jackson]

You have to have four runners.

[Ocho Cinco]

So.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes. So even then, I didn't see it as being special. I had the mentality that when I stepped on the field, when I stepped across that white line on the football field or stepped across that chalk line on the baseball field in my mind. And this is the way I thought, once I step across that line, I'm the baddest man out here.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

And they know. And you got. And you got to prove to me that he better than you, you better than me.

[Evan Smith]

And.

[Bo Jackson]

And that's just how things were. Our coach taught us. Coach D. Coach Pat D. Yeah. He taught us in college. When you step on that field, you out there for one reason. To snatch his own, to take his soul, make him want to quit before the fourth quarter. Because the fourth quarter is when we gonna turn up the heat. We gonna run with you for three.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

And we may score 40 points on you in that three quarters, but the fourth quarter, you're gonna be looking towards side out, trying to get the coat to take you out.

[Ocho Cinco]

Tell the story of why you went to Auburn as opposed to Alabama, because I've heard you tell the story before, but tell the story of why you went to Auburn as opposed to Alabama.

[Bo Jackson]

I was an Alabama fan growing up all my life because that's all we knew in Alabama. It was Bear Bryant, Coach Bryant. And he was in the midst of all his national championship, and so wasn't so. And so when I. I was ranked as one of the top 10 running backs in the state and Tuscaloosa was only 30 minutes from my house. Auburn, two hours. And I didn't know where the hell all but one. But I know they were the two biggest school.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Aaron Jones]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

And I come home one day from a baseball game, walk in the front door, old white guy sitting at the table with my mom, drinking coffee.

[Trey McBride]

Talk.

[Bo Jackson]

It was their defensive coordinator, Ken Donahue. I spoke, went on downstairs. My lord, he came downstairs.

[Evan Smith]

Vincent.

[Bo Jackson]

My name's coach Donahue. Coach Brian would have come up himself, but he had a family issue that he had to deal with. So we talked and we were talking. He was telling me how good Bama was and how good they're gonna be and how Auburn had beat Bama since 1972. It's 1982. And then he said this before he said that. He said, look, we want you at Tuscaloosa, but personally, I don't think you'll get the opportunity to play until the end of your sophomore or the beginning of your junior season.

[Aaron Jones]

But he said.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

He said that you in person, man.

[Bo Jackson]

And then he said this. Auburn hasn't beat Alabama since 1972 and they never win. So he said, well, I'm gonna let you finish doing your watching uniform because I know you Got a game tomorrow. Benson, it was nice talking to you. So I'm thinking, and I'm shaking his hand, but. And I'm smiling, but I'm saying, like, you think I'm gonna sit on your bed for 10 years? You at your. So by him saying, and they never will, I made sure my freshman year.

[Ocho Cinco]

With that bow over the top.

[Bo Jackson]

I racked up 256 on it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Was that the ball over the top.

[Bo Jackson]

And that long run down the sideline.

[Ocho Cinco]

Because it was, it was.

[Bo Jackson]

That was fourthly. That was fourth and goal.

[Ocho Cinco]

They ask you, they say what you want? He said, coach, give me that play over the top.

[Bo Jackson]

No, we actually practiced it. We actually practiced that play where we were doing the. Doing, doing the three on three. Yeah. And the defense was tearing our ass up. We couldn't score. So I went over and said Randy Campbell was our quarterback. And I called him Worm. Wormy, because he wasn't but about even with his pants on. Random. About buck8 with all the pants on and say, man. I said, look, man, I was a seven foot high jumper in high school, which I was. I said, let's want to play for I go to college. We ran that play three times straight. I scored all three times. So coach Dodge said, why, why don't we put that play in?

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay?

[Bo Jackson]

And we put that play in. And he called it over the top. I scored. Wow.

[Ocho Cinco]

You got a podcast. You just started a podcast, right?

[Bo Jackson]

I'm starting my podcast. Bold Knows Men's Health.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[Bo Jackson]

So all of that stuff we just talked about, okay. It's about getting we as men to open up about personal medical issues because we hold stuff in too long. We don't talk about it because we think that it denigrates us as a man.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

The more you talk about about it, the stronger it makes you. So I think it's one of my jobs. Like I said earlier, I don't think I was put on this earth to be a great football player, a great baseball player. Oh, I was put on this earth to help put some sunshine in somebody's cloud. And by talking about this where nobody else do, where nobody else want. I figure like that I'm giving something back to the public because the public has given me enough to where I can for the next 10 lifetimes. But I want to give something back, and that's knowledge about mental health. Don't sit up and keep this to yourself. And the thing that I want to do, let's say I come to your. I come to your city. Great call you. You get all your doctors. Yeah. Your cardiologists, your urologist, your proctologist. Get everybody, bring them to the fireside chat, put them on stage with you and I. Now, what we're going to do is advertise it enough where all the local men in your town gonna want to come. You're going to charge them five to five. Five to ten bucks to come for one hour, five side chat. Now, those funds aren't going to go to me. Not going to that. But the funds will go in a fund to help that guy who don't have good insurance like you and I.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

To help pay for the psa.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

To help pay for the colonizer. And what the doctor's gonna do because we are putting them on blast and talking about their company and their clinics. They got to give that patient a discount because we are bringing you more patients. And if they had to pay for that market, it would cost them a half a million to a million and two dollars. Right. So we're giving them that for free to let them come there and talk. So it's all about giving back with me. And if I figured I could put some sunshine in one somebody's cloud, I feel that I've done my job. So it's not about Bo Jackson and what he's done in sports. It's about what I'm doing now.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

And for years since I left sports, I've been in.

[Evan Smith]

In the shadows.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

I done raised three kids. They're all grown, married, got good jobs. Still trying to get them off the payroll.

[Ocho Cinco]

Good luck with that. Good luck with that.

[Bo Jackson]

Still trying to get my purpose, but I'm happy I got two grand. Boys, I spoil the out of them a lot.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

The kids tell you say, daddy, you treat them better and give them more than you gave us.

[Bo Jackson]

Because I love them more. I said, cause I love them more. You was my child. These are my grandkids. See, I can bring them over, jack them up on Skittles and Coke.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

And send them home during the evening. That's what I do. Buy them whatever they want. My oldest son, who's 4 years old, he'll get my phone or his. Nah, I know his phone. But he said, nana, what's the code? Put code in and open it. Go to. Go to the Target app. That's him right there.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

They'll go to the Target app and he'll find something. Let's say he'll look at a car. Yeah. Does that pop up? He's there. I don't have this one. Which means you gotta buy me this one. I don't have this one. So you got to get it from.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

That's what it's all about, man. I'm happy.

[Ocho Cinco]

But the bike ride, you used to do a bike ride across Alabama.

[Bo Jackson]

In this past summer was my last ride. Been doing it since 2012. Yeah, there's a raise money for tornado victory, but I want to do something different to help support minority charities.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay.

[Bo Jackson]

And I haven't come out public with that. Yeah, that's in the state of Alabama.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[Bo Jackson]

That's my home state. But in, in Chicago I have.

[Nav Green]

Bo.

[Bo Jackson]

Jackson's Give Me a Chance foundation.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

And we raise money for youth golf and for half of the foundation, the other half we donate to the Shirley Ryan ability Lab, which is the number one rehab hospital in the world for the past 35, 36 years. And we give funds to their challenge patient. So it's all about giving back from me, dude. That's what it is all about.

[Ocho Cinco]

Bo, you said your grandkid, your grandkids not gonna play football. They're gonna play baseball.

[Bo Jackson]

Baseball. That four year old because I take him to Sox park with me every he'll get our atheatus. Don't rubber balls. Get his plastic back. Then this joker hitting balls to second base and he's four years old at four already he can stroke. He can stroke. Guess who, he'll say, guess who? The three most famous baseball players in the world. Guess what he said. He said, aaron, Judge, Papa and me. And I love it. Yeah, I love it, man. I'm blessed to the point to where everybody's in my family's happy. Yeah, my grandkids are happy, I'm happy, my friends are happy. And I'm gonna do everything I can to keep those people that's in my little, little circle close to me. Make sure they're all right and they'll make sure that I'm alright.

[Ocho Cinco]

How often do you get to the park? How often do you get to football games? Do you go to sporting events?

[Bo Jackson]

Were you a big.

[Ocho Cinco]

I know you were great at sports, but did you enjoy sports?

[Bo Jackson]

I love sports.

[Ocho Cinco]

So you get to the park, you get to the games much anymore?

[Bo Jackson]

No. And it's for this reason. What's that? People all always ask Bo, you like you could play football fall right now. He said, man, I live, I pull a muscle lifting the toilet seat. I ain't playing no sport. Come on, be good. I, I said I'll golf. And now I can't golf because I Got a bicep tear. And you'll get it fixed.

[Ocho Cinco]

You gonna get it fixed.

[Bo Jackson]

But I think it's strained, but I don't think because I had the mri, this just part of getting old.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah. Don't heal like they used to.

[Ocho Cinco]

No.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah, it don't.

[Ocho Cinco]

And you go to bed and feel fine and wake up and something hurting.

[Bo Jackson]

The next morning, it feel like you got run over by boss. What the hell did I do? But I'm thinking that my wife then beat me in my sleep. But, yes, it's like that now. And we got to take care of ourselves.

[Ocho Cinco]

We do.

[Bo Jackson]

We got to take. Don't ignore stuff. Now, if we wasn't on this mic, we wouldn't be talking as cordial, polite. But don't it. You know how brothers talk. You.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

They ain't gonna say stuff. We ain't gonna say stuff. Don't ignore it, dude. Don't think it's gonna go away because you don't know.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

Know about it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

Get to you. Because number number one, your doctor's not gonna lie. Lie to you. Right? You either accept the truth and do something about it and move on down the road. That's your only option. That's it. Unless you ain't gonna be here alone, because look at how many guys that we played against, with, played against, played with from high school to now. That's not with us.

[Ocho Cinco]

Y. I lost three former college teammates, all within the span of, like, three months.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

So tell us one more time about the. The podcast that you're launching is Black Men.

[Bo Jackson]

No, it's called Bo Nose Menos. Men's Health Knows Men Men Help.

[Ocho Cinco]

Check out his podcast, Bo Nose Men's Health. You're talking to the greatest. This was the greatest athlete of our time. I mean, the last hundred years. There might have been others before 100 years ago, but you talk about the last hundred years, this man and I got an opportunity to see him play up close and personal without that Raiders team. When he came to Denver and he ran over our linebacker in 1990. You remember that in Mile High?

[Bo Jackson]

Well, I was hot as a jalapeno, wasn't I? But you know something? Right after I got off the field from that run, yeah, I went and got that oxygen boy.

[Stugatz]

Stugatz here. I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow, and I have brought it here to Ivar. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugats Co. Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I love you guys show.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's one of my favorites.

[Stugatz]

A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you could expect from Stugots Co. And Stugots Co. Live. So listen to Stugots Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugots Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. And you can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs.

[Bo Jackson]

What's a wrap?

[Nav Green]

It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake May up there.

[Bo Jackson]

Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did Bo Nicks at? He ain't too far behind.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He did all this talking.

[Bo Jackson]

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy.

[Nav Green]

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams.

[Bo Jackson]

Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Ocho Cinco]

In what conversation?

[Nav Green]

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or whatever. You get your podcast.

[Evan Smith]

And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You can decide who takes home the 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards Podcast of the Year by voting at iHeartPodcastAwards.com now through February 22nd. See all the nomin. Place your vote at iHeartPodcastAwards dot com.

[Ocho Cinco]

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[Bo Jackson]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Aaron Jones]

That altitude.

[Bo Jackson]

That altitude.

[Ocho Cinco]

Absolutely. Bo Jackson. Bo, thanks for stopping by, man. Appreciate it. Good to see you joining us. Now, off his attacker, former Pro Bowler OB yes, sir. Orlando Brown Jr. Oh, how you doing, bro?

[Bo Jackson]

I'm good.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Good to see y'.

[Nav Green]

All.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

How's Everything, baby.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

It's been great. Oh, yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

So far this off season. I mean, what have you been up to so far?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, I just been in the facility, man. You know, I spend, I don't leave Cincinnati. No, that's where I train. Yeah, that's home. I train there year round. I love Cincy, man. It's, it's really, it's a special place. And for me, so much of the sport is about still staying in it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

And I would go down to Miami and train. And don't get me wrong, wrong, I get in shape.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

But it was the mental aspect. I feel like I would have to build back up when I came back. And so training hard in the facility, day to day, keeping that same work routine year round, it just keep me in that state of mind, man.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

That's, that's, that's, that's so much I like, I like your approach. I love your approach. But most of the time I think about when I was playing is after a rigorous six months.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Rigorous six months.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Putting in the time on and off the field when it came to the game and studying the game, becoming a student of it, being somewhat of a sponge. Once the season ended, I needed to completely disconnect.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I needed to recharge, I needed to reset. So your approach. I like it. Yeah, I like it. But do you think you'll look back and say, well, damn, I never. Bingo.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah. Well, you know, early in my career, I would show up to training camp.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Out of shape. I would, I would, I would take my time off. I would be heavy, you know, showing up my first four or five years in the league. And, you know, I would take that time off. I would take that, that six weeks or, you know, from whenever the season ended until now.

[Ocho Cinco]

You can't take six weeks.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I can't do that. I'm gonna put on. I'm gonna put on 50 pounds. You know what I mean?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I get it.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

So, you know, I like for me as a big guy, like, I gotta stay in it and I keep my routine.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay. I like it.

[Ocho Cinco]

I like it, man. What you guys gotta do, you look at your guys. You got T, you got Chase Brown, the running back, came on and played. Unbelievable. You got a solid tight end in Gasicki. Offensive line was, was good. Probably could get a little better. But what do you guys need to do? Oh, there's two years in a row with the talent that you got. You got a top five quarterback, you got a top one top two receiver, you got T. On the other side, your running game is solid. What do you guys need to do to get into the postseason and make a deep run like you did in 2020?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, well, you know, man, we got the hardest piece of the puzzle in nine, you know what I mean?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

And a lot of teams don't have that. We fortunate to already have the hardest piece of the puzzle, but to me, man, it just comes down to executing, you know what I'm saying? I feel like in terms of our overall continuity as a team, it hasn't necessarily been there when we needed it. And so whether that be us winning games in November and December, you know what I mean? It just, it. It comes down to all of those different things, man. And to me, it points to the players in the locker room. You know, what are you willing to sacrifice, you know, to make sure that we able to go out here and win these games?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

If you were the gm, if you were Mike Brown, I want you to take. You're not Orlando Brown, the offensive tackle. You are the owner and the play caller, the one that can push the buttons on what we need to do to get over the hump. Whether it's offensively, whether it's defensively, whether it's. What pieces would you love to add to the team to help you guys out? Whether it's on offense, whether on defense, whether it's special teams, just in general.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, no, I mean, it's always tough answering these kind of questions because, you know, they're my brothers in there, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, I understand.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I put every player on the spot as if they weren't said player. How can we improve our team?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Well, I think the reality is in this league, you look at the two teams in the super bowl, right? It's one of the trenches. And so to me, you know, I think it's going to start there. However. However that is, whoever that is, you know, having a playmaker, I believe at one of those four positions is going to be extremely important, especially in our division. And from there, man, I think, you know, that would take care of a lot of issues. You know, if you're asking me if I want a safety or over a D lineman, not at all. You know, I think. I think just taking care of the trenches, man, adding more. More weapons in that area, you can never have enough D linemen. I remember we played when I was in Kansas City, we played Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl. I think they broke the single season sacred. And I mean, they had a wave, three waves, two or three waves. I'm Seeing BG Robert Quinn, Josh Sweatt.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

You know what I mean? It's. It's. They got a way. They got a wave of roughers, rushers, and so to me, that's what it takes. That's what it takes in this league.

[Bo Jackson]

To be able to win more depth.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I like it.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah, I like, like it.

[Ocho Cinco]

You got. I mean, when you. When I look at you, you play a premium position in. In left, in left tackle. How many more years you want to play OB?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I'm play till I'm 40.

[Bo Jackson]

10.

[Ocho Cinco]

How old are you now?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I turned 30 in May.

[Bo Jackson]

Oh, that's a.

[Ocho Cinco]

10 years.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, man.

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, what year is this for you?

[Bo Jackson]

Eight.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I'm going into nine.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nine. Oh, yeah. You might as well go and get 20 then. You might do. Do like a. What's the guy?

[Evan Smith]

Slater.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I would love to.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I would love. I mean, honestly, I want to play this game as long as I can. I really love. I love this game. And I grew up in it, as you know. You know what I mean? I grew up around Tony Jones and my dad and Jonathan Ogden and, you know, so many of these great players that Ray Lewis, man, just to be able to see, had that perspective at 8 years old when those men come over and they sit down and talk with my dad because he's the OG on the team, and be able to listen to those conversations and hear what they gave to the game, man, it's so special. It's so special to me. And so, man, I love what I do. You know what I'm saying? And I love. I love what the game has done for me, man. I hate to say it, you know, I love. I love my life outside of ball, too, but, man, I'm gonna give him my all. I'm giving my all. And hopefully we look back when I'm 40 years old, we walk away and I got a gold jacket.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, I like it. I like it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Orlando.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Good to see you, baby.

[Ocho Cinco]

Orlando Brown Jr. Thanks for joining us, bro. Of course.

[Aaron Jones]

Appreciate you.

[Ocho Cinco]

My 1990 legend. Draftmate legend.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Legend. Gator legend, cowboy legend.

[Evan Smith]

You like stuff for free.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Well, I love gifts.

[Evan Smith]

I love gifts.

[Ocho Cinco]

Long time no see.

[Evan Smith]

What's up with the beard, baby?

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hey, 90, we. We got to do it. I still got. I still got a little black in my, though.

[Nav Green]

You.

[Ocho Cinco]

You ain't got no.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

He went all the way.

[Ocho Cinco]

I know you ain't got no black.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

You a silver fox, huh?

[Evan Smith]

You're a silver fox. Hey, I am what I am.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah, I like it. But what we Got what we got here? Why you know I love.

[Ocho Cinco]

Let me introduce him. All time leading Russia, NFL history, a former MVP, Super Bowl MVP, first ballot hall of Famer. Here he is, 1990 classmate. We go way back, College week. This is my dog, Evan Smith. So as Ocho said, what. What do we got here? Well, what you got in your hand.

[Evan Smith]

Right now is a tableau device that connects. It's an antenna that connects to your television network and it streams live stuff throughout the entire house.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

As far as every room that has a TV and it can connect through it. You get over 125 channels. And not to mention you can. You can. You can watch, pause, record, live television stuff, news, local news, live talk, sports and popular shows. You can do all those kind of things just as if you would paying a subscription for something.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

Instead of paying all these different subscriptions.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Evan Smith]

You can do a lot right there on tableau.

[Bo Jackson]

So people A people.

[Ocho Cinco]

The people ain't going to come to my house though, already.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

What people?

[Bo Jackson]

No, you can set it up on your own.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I'm just talking about. Cuz we get all this stuff that we ain't paying for.

[Evan Smith]

What people?

[Ocho Cinco]

You talking about them people that.

[Evan Smith]

That say, hey, you ain't pay for them people.

[Ocho Cinco]

Who them people do. People. People that were you. You ain't paying for.

[Bo Jackson]

Ish.

[Ocho Cinco]

Is you a.

[Evan Smith]

Paying for nothing.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

They going to come.

[Ocho Cinco]

Y.

[Evan Smith]

They gave that to you?

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay. These people gave it to you. I don't know who them people are. I would say Emmet gave me this. So if y' all got something, some problem, y' all can take it over here.

[Evan Smith]

Now if you want to write, you know, you want to pay taxes on it, then that's on you. But that's a gift. That's under $1,000. Under 10,000, so it should be good.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Oh, yeah, I'm. I'mma use this. I'm definitely going to use this. But you pay. You pay one subscription, right?

[Evan Smith]

No, you just pay one time.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

One time you get all this stuff.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Evan Smith]

You don't. You don't have to pay the monthly stuff you like. This is McDonald's guy.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I know.

[Evan Smith]

This is guy that, you know, used to wear fake stuff to wear.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

So he gets it.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Not no more.

[Evan Smith]

I said used to.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I did say used to.

[Evan Smith]

I did say used to. Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes, sir. What's been good?

[Ocho Cinco]

What's going on?

[Evan Smith]

Not much, man.

[Trey McBride]

Everything's good.

[Evan Smith]

I can't complain.

[Ocho Cinco]

Still in Dallas.

[Evan Smith]

Still in Dallas, man. Yep, still doing that. Kids still growing Up. My son EJ is getting prepared to for his pro day at A and M. Dope. And so giving him sending love his way and wanting to see if he can fulfill his dreams as well. So you know how that is.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah, I got an important question, too.

[Ocho Cinco]

Go ahead.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I got a very important question because we're dealing with someone here, the greatest star, the greatest player to wear that star on his helmet. So I've always had a dialogue with Cowboys fans. They've gotten on me.

[Evan Smith]

They got on you for what?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Because I'm thinking about George Pickens and how valuable he is and what he was able to show in the small sample size and how great he can be in the right situation. It's time for him to get paid. I would like to know your thoughts. And me my thoughts before you go is him going to a team where he can maximize his true value.

[Aaron Jones]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

What do you think Kingo's getting paid?

[Evan Smith]

I would say George Pickens is at the right place. He is in the right place. He has a place where he can flourish. He has a place right alongside CD Lamb.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes.

[Evan Smith]

Because I think you have to have a Batman and a Robin together. Irvin had Harper Rice had John Taylor.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes.

[Evan Smith]

And even when you go back to Swan and Stalwart and Swan and Stalwart.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Evan Smith]

So you have to have that kind of scenario. And I think what you saw was a glimpse of how good he can really become in a system that supports that type of environment.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Evan Smith]

And so my hope is that Jerry and George get. Get this contractual stuff behind them so we don't have. Have to be dealing with all these questions during this time of season. The Dallas Cowboys deserve, and the fans deserve a very quiet, boring off season.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

That. When does that ever happen?

[Evan Smith]

That's why they deserve one.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's why they deserve one.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah, I. I like it. I like it. And I love the examples of the duos that you just said. But when I think about George Pickens and CD Lamb, those are two number ones. So based on what George Pickens has done and what George Pickens has showed you, whatever contract, the one that he deserved, it has to overlap that of Ceedee Lambs.

[Evan Smith]

Maybe. Maybe not. First and foremost.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

So you want to pay.

[Evan Smith]

First of all, we don't know if he is the number one. A number one don't quit. A number one goes through and don't pout when he doesn't get the ball.

[Bo Jackson]

Number one.

[Evan Smith]

Understand that defenses could be doubling up on one, and you don't get not a throw A number one says, okay, I'm a draw double coverage. You better tear that one on one up by yourself.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Evan Smith]

A number one says, hey, how can we run the ball? I mean, we're trying to throw the ball against double coverage over here. And I got guys all over me.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Evan Smith]

And I got to defend. I'm playing the defensive back. You didn't hire me to play db. So a number one was says, run the dag on ball when it's six in the box or seven in the box.

[Ocho Cinco]

What did Michael tell you in cover two? What did he tell you?

[Evan Smith]

But Michael says, throw it to me anyway.

[Bo Jackson]

I'm going to go get it.

[Evan Smith]

And Michael went and got it.

[Ocho Cinco]

He. But Mike went and got it, right? Cover two. You got to run them up out of it.

[Evan Smith]

But Mike ran and got it, though. Yeah, Mike. Mike was never afraid of going in there against two guys or three guys.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

Mike going. You might tell you right now, you throw that slant, my folks back in Miami going to eat. Yeah, because I'm gonna catch that sling. I may get knocked out, right. But I'm gonna catch that slam on the ground like this cat. And they're gonna be moving the chains. And so that's the mentality that George needs to develop. You said a key word. He has to get in that system that affords an opportunity to showcase.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

He's the number one.

[Evan Smith]

Harper thought he was the number one until he went to Tampa. A system also give you the ability, ability to shine at your best. The right system, the wrong system will hold you back.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

But this is the funny thing about it is, is George Pickens has the skill set. Me knowing receivers is he has the skill set to go anywhere and be able to show what he can.

[Evan Smith]

I doubt that.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I'm telling you, because we saw him do it, and we saw him do it in Pittsburgh in spurs, and they didn't even have a quarterback in.

[Evan Smith]

You put your system in. In Oakland.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

You put George Pickens in Oakland. Put him in Oak with Mendoza coming.

[Bo Jackson]

No, no, no, no.

[Ocho Cinco]

You put them in.

[Evan Smith]

Put them in Vegas. Yeah. Right now.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right now.

[Evan Smith]

Right now.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Getting the ball. Put it in his hands. Don't put him in position to make the play.

[Ocho Cinco]

You gotta have somebody that can get in the ball.

[Evan Smith]

Somebody get in the ball. So all I'm saying is the way he flourishes, that is when he got somebody that can get in the ball. And there's a concerted effort, whether you double him or double, double cd. One of them going to be one on one. And I Better destroy somebody that's one on one. If I'm not destroying somebody one on one, that means the tight end is free, too. He's one on one, Right. And so I'mma run him out of.

[Bo Jackson]

That, and they going to have to.

[Evan Smith]

Go back to cover 2Y. I'm going get mine.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Evan Smith]

But see, nobody understand Selfish part about football. I knew if it was eight in the box, I'm like, dang, dang. I can't get a 100. But I tell you what, that eighth man gonna get it. Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

He gonna feel it.

[Evan Smith]

Fourth quarter, he ain't gonna want to stick his head in there.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

That's what has to happen. And I knew going into certain games, whether it was against Philly, when they. Buddy Ryan had that eight man, that Bear defense.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Bear defense.

[Evan Smith]

I'm like, man, I'd be lucky to get 55 yards today. And so. But I knew that.

[Bo Jackson]

But I. I'm looking at.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Herb.

[Bo Jackson]

You better eat.

[Evan Smith]

Yeah, you better eat. Because when it's my time to eat, I'm gonna eat.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Evan Smith]

So that's the ying and the yang of the game, because the. The. The system and the defense also dictates what's happening because they can bracket you without even covering. Yeah. And close down the throwing lanes and the throwing gaps. And guess who have to pull the trigger?

[Bo Jackson]

The quarterback.

[Evan Smith]

And if he's not comfortable with those small windows, he ain't throwing it your way. Ain't got nothing to do with the. With the system.

[Ocho Cinco]

We had a conversation yesterday. Ocho and I was having a congress. Hopefully that answers your question.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It do.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

It's a little selfish on your part. A little bit. You know, it's a little selfish on the Cowboys fans part as well, because I'm looking. I'm looking at something else, Chad.

[Evan Smith]

No, you're looking at the right thing.

[Ocho Cinco]

Remember we had the conversation yesterday, and I told cd. Excuse me, I told Chase, and Chase was trying to tell me he X, Y, and Z. I said, well, a number one. I said, you never let how much you get in the ball or the situation dictate how hard you play. No, you play hard regardless of circumstances. Whether I catch 10 balls or I catch one, I'm going to play hard. We've seen him drift. Forget about anything that may or may not have happened in Pittsburgh. Late for this, late for that, or whatever the case may be. But we've seen it firsthand that when he's not getting the ball, it became a national story because the head coach said, I had a conversation with George. And we can't let what happened at things that given against the Lions. We can't let that happen again.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco]

So that's all I've. All I've ever said.

[Evan Smith]

Here's what I'm gonna say.

[Ocho Cinco]

What brand you got?

[Evan Smith]

What brand do you have? What brand do you have? What kind of football player were you? What kind of football player were you?

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's it.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's your brand.

[Evan Smith]

What kind of football player am I? I don't have to talk about it. It goes in the room before I get there. And at the end of the day.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Evan Smith]

George has to ask himself, what do I want to send on the football.

[Bo Jackson]

Field before I get there?

[Evan Smith]

I want people to be in the locker room or in the. In the. In their study room. And I want to. The offensive coordinator come up, guys, we got to stop the run this week. This 22 back here that they got. We can't let him get going.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Evan Smith]

Because if we let him get going, 88 gonna kill us. Then Novichek gonna get going. So we gotta figure out a way.

[Ocho Cinco]

How are we gonna do this?

[Evan Smith]

They. I want them to have a damn nightmare thinking about how they going to stop us. Because at the end of the day, you can't hold everything back. And when you hold one back, I got. Now I understand why I get. Thank you for the respect.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Evan Smith]

And all I'm saying, George has to develop that kind of. It's not all about me.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

And that's the problem with a lot of kids today. They think everything is about them. And. And so I had what I learned from Jimmy one day. I'm a rookie, we having our two minute drill on Thursday night. You have two minute drill, and Jimmy's in charge of spotting the ball. He's the ref.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

And so it's third and by four, I get five yards, do my little hookup, catch the ball.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

First down.

[Bo Jackson]

I see first down.

[Evan Smith]

Jim said, no first down, no first down.

[Ocho Cinco]

Move his back three yards.

[Bo Jackson]

So I was like, no, I got.

[Evan Smith]

A first down, no first down. He said, no first down. Getting hold, getting the hold. I said, but, coach, I got the first line. Getting a hold of the. Your butt in the huddle. So I go in the huddle, then we breaking huddle. Coming out, he said, timeout. Called timeout. Troy walking over to the sideline. I go up to. I say, coach, I got the first thing. Get your butt in the huddle. Embarrassed me in front of all my teammates. I was mad, so I didn't talk to him after practice, I walked by him. Don't say nothing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

I'm going to the meeting room back there. Walk past and don't say nothing. Come back out of the meeting room. Going to the training room. Walk past. Don't say nothing. That. Getting ready to leave the training room.

[Bo Jackson]

Walk past him.

[Evan Smith]

He said, oh, oh, you're not gonna speak? I said, coach, why you get on me like that? Why you embarrass me in front of my teammates? Say, e. I want you to know.

[Bo Jackson]

Something that wasn't for you.

[Evan Smith]

That was for everybody on the team to know that if I can get on my best players.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

And if you're not one of the top players.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

Then you don't stand a chance. But I was mad because I had to call a timeout. I was mad at the OC for not getting to play in time enough.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Didn't have.

[Evan Smith]

Had nothing to do with you, But I honest. And I understood that. I said, wow, what a lesson to learn. We thought and we think things are about us. George is not all about you. CD is not all about you. Tight end is not all about him. Dak is not all about you. The five guys up front that protect all of y' all in. In order for you to get the ball.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes.

[Evan Smith]

Make it about them.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

Because that's how you get the running game going. That's how you get the pass game going. If Dak is on his back, he.

[Ocho Cinco]

Can'T throw a damn pass.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Not at all.

[Evan Smith]

So it's just that simple to me.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hall of famer, number 22 for the Dallas Cowboys, Em Smith. Appreciate.

[Evan Smith]

Hopefully that educated you a little.

[Stephen A. Smith]

A little bit.

[Ocho Cinco]

Keep this, and you going to.

[Bo Jackson]

You get to keep it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay, I keep.

[Evan Smith]

Oh, boy.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Don't nobody give me nothing.

[Evan Smith]

I gave you something.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Appreciate.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I'm just saying, I. I rarely get gifts, but I appreciate that.

[Evan Smith]

You mean you rarely get gifts. You accept gifts.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hey.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Em gave me a gift.

[Evan Smith]

Huh?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

What we talking about?

[Ocho Cinco]

Appreciate you, dog, but no, but that's the real ass. Yeah, yeah. That.

[Evan Smith]

That's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, it's.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

It's more to be talked about. It's more to be talked about.

[Evan Smith]

Okay, whatever, Whatever.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I mean, we'll talk. We'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk.

[Evan Smith]

Ear was the number one.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Am I gonna get. Is he gonna get his.

[Stugatz]

St Here? I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow, and I have brought it here to Ivar. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugac company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I love you guys show.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's one of my favorites.

[Stugatz]

A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too serious seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugouts Co. Live. So listen to Stugatson Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugatson Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast network. Another team who ain't going to the playoff? The Chiefs.

[Bo Jackson]

What's a wrap?

[Nav Green]

It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake may up there.

[Bo Jackson]

Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy Matthew Stafford. Where did Bo Nicks at? He ain't too far behind.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He did all this talking.

[Bo Jackson]

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically bro is crazy.

[Nav Green]

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams.

[Evan Smith]

Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Ocho Cinco]

In what conversation?

[Bo Jackson]

He should be in it.

[Nav Green]

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Event Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or whatever. You get your podcast.

[Evan Smith]

And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is.

[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Bo Jackson]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Evan Smith]

Whoever get their true value quarterbacks do even deserve it.

[Ocho Cinco]

True.

[Evan Smith]

Yeah, I said it.

[Bo Jackson]

I said it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Good to see you dog. I ain't lying neither.

[Evan Smith]

And you know you got to Tell me.

[Bo Jackson]

Joining us now, he played with the.

[Ocho Cinco]

Green bay Packers from 2017 to 2023. Now he's a Minnesota Vikings 2024. Moving forward kind of ding this year. Harus. Aaron Jones. AJ what's going on, bro?

[Aaron Jones]

What's up? Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ah, man. Let's start with the elephant in the room. It's got to be painful. The guy that y' all had at quarterback last year, year is here. How different do you believe your season would have been had that guy still been in your locker room?

[Aaron Jones]

I feel like we, we. Last year, we. We only lost to two teams. Really lost two games lost. We lost to two games, two to the Rams and then two to Lions. So I felt like we had everything we needed. But, you know, we're not. Not GMs or nothing. That's outside of us. Yes, but definitely, you know, when. When you guys. When you got a group of guys behind a quarterback and he wants to stay somewhere, I think you should try to make it work.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

When I look at you, look at your general manager, Quasi. Adolfo Mensah ended up losing his job. Obviously, you know, they said, well, he had this many draft picks and only two Pro bowl players were selected. And Sam Darnold ends up going to on a Van Friendly contract. There's no question in my mind that the Minnesota could have matched that contract because it seemed like it was like 30 something million dollars on a couple of incentives. You win your division and you win a playoff game, you get to the Super Bowl. Man, who wouldn't put those kind of incentives in there? I mean, I mean, I got to pay a million dollars if he gets to the Super Bowl. I would gladly play a million dollars to get a. To get a guy, get me to the Super Bowl.

[Aaron Jones]

I pay him too. I'll pay. He can have my check of this super bowl check.

[Ocho Cinco]

How do you feel? I mean, this year you got nicked a little bit. It's been a while. I mean, normally you. You're very durable. You catch the ball up. You do a threat. You can catch it, you can run it. But you kind of got Nick this year. How disappointing and frustrating was your season this year compared to years past?

[Aaron Jones]

It was a little frustrating. I wouldn't say disappointing because I got to step up as a leader, find different ways to make an impact. But it was because I feel like when I'm healthy and when I'm out there, can't be f with at all. So it's a. It's a point of just staying healthy and I Never felt like after I got week. Week two, I pulled my hamstring.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes. Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

Really didn't get back healthy till I came back, but really wasn't feeling myself till Detroit. The first time we played Detroit, I came out in the first half, had like 78 yards and then start the third quarter. AC joint. Missed the rest of that. Just battling. So just get back to it. Really grind this offseason. Take care of myself. And had a best one yet. Show. Show everybody I still got it. I'm still him. And yeah, I'm. I'm the best running back.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Outside of having to prove yourself. Not even prove yourself, but prove all the doubters wrong in your team. You look at the landscape of your team, what do you think you guys need to do differently to be able to be in the conversation and be here where you're not here talking with us, but you're here doing radio road media in the super bowl next year? What do you think needs to happen?

[Aaron Jones]

I feel like it comes down to execution and minimizing those. Minimizing the mistakes. Yes. You got to play mistake free football or at least nothing's gonna be perfect. But don't turn over the ball. Anytime you don't turn over the ball, you give yourself a chance to win. But just all 11, playing with a. With a mean streak across the board. Like, what? Because I feel like when we would lock in and that we move the ball, but if not, if nobody was saying nothing, it wasn't happening.

[Trey McBride]

So.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Right.

[Aaron Jones]

Just staying on top of everybody when we get in the huddle and being that. Being an enforcer of confidence. Like, hey, is there any place y' all rather be? Y' all dreamed of being here right now, so, like, let's go do this. I don't care who's standing in front of you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

And it was a. Because that's how I think when I. When I step on the field, I. Like, I came in with a Rod devonte Adams, but in my head, I was the best player on the field.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Maybe.

[Ocho Cinco]

What was I really?

[Aaron Jones]

Maybe not. But you got to be that.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

You got to have that mentality 100%.

[Ocho Cinco]

As you mentioned a Rod, he's contemplating retirement. He's about to be 42 years of age. What advice would you offer Aaron? You. Like I said, you. You. You had some great years with Aaron. You won some MVP. You. You was there when he won MVPs, when he was at his absolute apex.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

If you could offer some insight. You know, he says, I want to decompress. I want to take some time away from this before I make my decision. It seemed like he was having fun. The most fun he's had in a very long time in Pittsburgh as opposed to previous two seasons in New York. Anything you want to share?

[Aaron Jones]

That's exactly what I was about to hit on. I think he got a lot of ball left. Like, you see him out there, he's look like he having fun. His, his celebrations, the, the love for the game is back in his heart and you can, you can see it. And, and he's a competitor. I think he, I think that's me. I think he comes back. I think he, I think he got a lot left. Like, you see at the end of the. One of the games, he threw a hail marriage and flicked his wrist. 70.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

You can't just come out and coach that.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Like, if he comes back, would it be there or would it be in Minnesota?

[Aaron Jones]

I like him in Minnesota. I mean, that's my dog. I'm just throwing down just what he brings to a locker room.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

Like that leadership, that. It's a standard. Like, if you, if you ain't in your playbook. Oh, you ain't. You ain't seeing the field. Like, he gonna, he gonna test you. He gonna throw some signals out there and he gonna see if you really care about this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Aaron Jones]

And as a player, like, I love that because I, I'm in my books. I'm making an effort. Like, I came, I came from Utah, from nothing. Like.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Aaron Jones]

So I had to, I had to earn that. And when you do it the right way and it's noticed, it's refreshing.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

And most definitely, when I think about it, too, just envision it. Hypothetically speaking. You know, quarterbacks normally flourish, especially like Aaron Rodgers, who's now on the older side. So you put him in a situation where he doesn't have to elevate those around him, but the team around him can elevate.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Elevate him.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

And you know what, you know what team can do that?

[Ocho Cinco]

Jenna, we got. Hawkinson's going to be back. Hey, they got Naylor.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

It makes sense to me.

[Ocho Cinco]

You running the ball in the backfield.

[Aaron Jones]

Jordan Mason still there. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You got a situation where you're going into your 10th season, normally 10 years for a running back, that's kind of. That's, that's normally that, that kind of it. But you still playing at an elite level. What, what would you attribute that to?

[Aaron Jones]

Just staying on top of. Even though I was banged up a little bit this year, just staying on top of my body as much as I can, trying to find different things and different ways to stay in front of it. I'm back in the. After I leave the facility, I'm back in the facility every day for about two hours. I go home two hours, hang out, grab my son. He come to the facility with me. He in the hot tub.

[Bo Jackson]

He in the coach.

[Aaron Jones]

He in the sauna. He doing all of that. So just finding ways to stay ahead of the game and. And then just really busting my butt in the offseason, just kind of. I took it from Jerry Rice. I was watching something, and he. He was saying he don't take much time off.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

Like, he. From running. Like, he keeps his body going active.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

So it never.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

All right, I'm.

[Aaron Jones]

Oh, now I got to get this body back going. So just kind of took that from him. And then I think it's a mentality to want to. I want to play this game for as long as I can today. Tell me I can't. So it's funny because we had, like, Harrison Smith, C.J. ham retire this year. And I'm looking at them, I'm like, yeah, I don't. It's not gonna. This is not gonna be me.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I don't.

[Bo Jackson]

Like, I'm gonna have to go through the.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm gonna go down the list. I tell you, you can't play Drew.

[Aaron Jones]

This team don't want me.

[Ocho Cinco]

Call. Okay.

[Aaron Jones]

Call the next thing. And that's how I think. Feel like this is going to end.

[Stephen A. Smith]

For me, but I like it. I like it.

[Ocho Cinco]

You got a quarterback. You selected very high, J.J. mcCarthy, but he's kind of been nicked. Missed his entire rookie year and was in and out of the lineup this year. What.

[Evan Smith]

What.

[Ocho Cinco]

What do you think he needs to do in order to stay healthy on the field and then prove. Because right now, he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold was there, as you mentioned. They won. Y' all won four. Y' all was 14 and three. The years of Sam Darnold was playing, and now Sam Darnold goes to another team, and he's in the Super Bowl. So unfortunately for him, he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnold.

[Aaron Jones]

I think he just got to come in and continue to. Continue to grow, continue to believe in himself. And I always tell him, you're here for a reason.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Aaron Jones]

We need you. And you. You made it this far by what you got up here. And you're. You're. God given a billion. The Work that you put in. So don't let that change you. Don't let no outside, outside noise change you or how you think of yourself. Because confidence is a big thing when.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

You step on that big confidence is everything.

[Aaron Jones]

Just trying to steal that into him, but just getting back to the fundamentals, sitting down, taking a deep breath. And I feel like trading camp will be huge for him. All those reps and stuff like that. And I say with a young quarterback, it takes time. Like you look, look at Sam. They was ready to write him off at one point. Yeah, look at Jordan Love. He had time to come in and sit down and develop. Bryce Young this year. He had time to sit down and good, but not. He didn't even sit down. He played through that development though, and they gave him.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

He got benched.

[Ocho Cinco]

He came back.

[Aaron Jones]

Right.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Still look good.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah. So I got you. It takes. It takes time for quarterbacks. I think we're so used to those cornerstone quarterbacks, quarterbacks that we've had for a while. And I think it's changing over and it takes time for them.

[Ocho Cinco]

But people just look at Peyton and they look at Peyton Manning. Peyton was terrible at rookie. I was in the league. I was. I was in the league. And Tom didn't even start his rookie year. So we don't know what Tom could or couldn't have been. And then for the first couple of years, they were a run defensive football team before the time. Yeah, we see the finished product to Tom. But Tom did start off like that because if he started off like that, he wouldn't have been a sixth round draft pick. He'd have been a first round draft pick. But that being said, you do and you hear all the quarterbacks talk about, you hear Peyton, you hear Tom, you hear Drew, you hear some of these guys, it's like they're not developing quarterbacks anymore because everybody wants this thing instantaneous. They're not willing to. They were not willing to let these guys grow. Bro, you ain't want us a playoff game yet. Bro, I'm a rookie.

[Aaron Jones]

100%. Like. And it seemed like it all fall on them too.

[Evan Smith]

Yes.

[Aaron Jones]

And it's not always them. There's things around them they gotta be working too. We gotta make their job easier, like you said.

[Ocho Cinco]

Because the thing is now, you see, the cap went up to like between 301 and 305 million. So in the next five years, that means the cap's gonna be damn near $400 million coming in. With that being said, when you got to play within the next 10 years, you know, there's gonna be a quarterback make sure 100 million a year.

[Aaron Jones]

Oh, 100%.

[Ocho Cinco]

He gonna be making 100 million a year.

[Aaron Jones]

Let us running backs get a little song. Just let us running backs get a little song.

[Ocho Cinco]

And so the thing is, is that, hey, we gonna pay somebody $100 million a year. I got to know for certain he can play.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

He's the one.

[Aaron Jones]

He got to be the1.100 million. He got to be able to take.

[Bo Jackson]

Us to the game for sure.

[Aaron Jones]

100 million, that's. That's a big investment.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Aaron Jones, thanks for joining us, bro.

[Aaron Jones]

Appreciate. Y' all love Legends.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I'm going.

[Aaron Jones]

See you in a minute.

[Ocho Cinco]

S20, 25, first team all pro. 126 catches, which is NFL record for a tight end legend. 1239 receiving yards, 11 touchdowns. He just broke the record, single season record for a tight end, Trey McBride. Trey, how you doing, bro?

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, man, doing good, man. Appreciate y', all, man. This will be dope.

[Ocho Cinco]

Let's go and get it back. Mad, you here for the Madden, right?

[Trey McBride]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

So talk to us about it.

[Trey McBride]

Just, just, you know, obviously great game. Madden, you know, obviously love playing, man. And what do I got to do to get one more point, man?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm a 98, man.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

You're probably going to be a nine.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm going to sit, I'm going to.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Sit together with my team. We're going to discuss. Because obviously you should be a 99, which you were able to do this season. So tremendous.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, we're going to have to sit down and talk about that. Have a, have a deep conversation about that matter.

[Ocho Cinco]

You want them gold shoes in that chain?

[Trey McBride]

I need that chain.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Conversation isn't even deep. It's more so common sense.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah. I got you the numbers talking, man. Let's make it.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

You had an unbelievable season. Obviously you had an individual great season. Not the team success that you had hoped for. Your head coach got relieved of his duty. What do you think you guys need to do? You hired Mike LaFleur. Yeah. Who is an offensive coordinator at the, at the Rams. What do you think, you guys, what do you guys need to do in order for you to make a playoff run, to get into the playoffs and see some of this individual success that you're enjoying. Let people see you on the big screen stage in a playoff game.

[Trey McBride]

I think, you know, we're right there, man. We're close. We're. We're in every single game. We're in the fourth quarter. We're you know, one play here, one play there, and I think that's what we need, man. We just need that one play to. To get us over the edge, man. We're right there. We just got to finish games, and, and last year we just weren't finishing games good enough. And I think we're going to just finish games this year, and we're going to be right there in that conversation.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

How's the body holding up after having a season like that, having that amount of catches, going through that kind of punishment? How's the body holding up so far?

[Trey McBride]

Far? Yeah, I feel great, man. Feel really good, man. I wish I was still playing, you know, I feel good enough to keep playing, so just got to keep going. I'm young, man, just feeling great, so just got to build on it next year.

[Ocho Cinco]

Are you the best tight end in football?

[Trey McBride]

You know, it's. It's. I. I'm a great tight end, man, but these.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Don't answer. Don't answer. PC yes, you are the greatest tight end in. In football right now.

[Nav Green]

It's okay.

[Trey McBride]

It's hard because, you know, Travis George, these guys been doing it for a long time, and they got a body of work, a log body of work. And I just got. I got to stack a few more years, and I think we can put myself in that conversation.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

The first three years of your NFL career, you had six touchdowns.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

This year you break out, you have 11. What. What was different? What clicked this year as what? I mean, obviously your third year, you had an unbelievable season, but what was it for you that totally, like, you were totally in sync. And it seems to me that once Jacoby Brissette got it there, he like, hey, get open tr.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, I think that's exactly what it was, man. Jacoby was just like, if it's one on one, man, the ball's coming to you. I just expect the ball to come to you. And even if it's two on one, man, the ball's coming to you.

[Ocho Cinco]

So.

[Trey McBride]

So Jacoby just had a lot of faith in me. He had a lot of trust in me, and I think that's what it was, man. He just believed in me, and the. The opportunities kept coming and I was making plays for him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Have you had an opportunity to study the Rams offense? Because that's the offense that you guys are going to be running. Now, normally that offense defense is predicated on the outside guys. You see Cooper cup, you see Puka Nakua, you see Devonte Adams. It's really not tight end Centric but. And I like your guy. Wilson. Is that his name?

[Trey McBride]

He's a dog, man.

[Ocho Cinco]

I was trying to tell Ocho. Yeah, but. Nice. You're their best receipt. And so now you're gonna have to gear an offense that's really suited to make sure you get your catch and make sure you get your target.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, I think the other thing about it, man, he. Not only did they had the receivers heat, they led the league in 13 personnel, man. So they love the tight end. They're going to put the tight end out on the field and they're going to throw to the tight end, too. So I think that's a huge part of us. But we do have two great receivers with Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson. Man, we got a lot of weapons on that offense and I'm just excited to see how. How Michael4 is going to get us all the ball, man. It's going to be a lot of fun.

[Ocho Cinco]

When you got into the league, what was. What was your expectations? What did you hope to accomplish because you've had such success? You've gone a couple of Pro Bowls, and here you are, you set the NFL record most receiving yards in a single season by a tight end. 126. 126. Almost. Almost led the league in reception. In reception, you finished three behind Puka. 126, 12, 39, 11 touchdowns. What were your hopes when you got into the league? What did you say? You know what? My first. My first quarter, my first four years in the NBA, NFL. What were you hoping to accomplish?

[Trey McBride]

You know, I knew I was a great player. I just wanted to be the best player that I could be. I didn't know to this extent that I was going to be as good as I did, man. But, you know, you get the opportunity, you get a little bit of a success, man. And it's like, I'm just hungry for it, man. Now I just gotta do what I did last year, beat it again. And now it's just consistency, being able to do it over and over and over again. And I think that's what really makes a great tight end, is doing it over and over again.

[Ocho Cinco]

I definitely agree with that because the thing is that it's easy to smoke, sneak up on someone when really people don't know who you are. But you know, when they do, when defensive coordinators go into that room on Monday, they got that number circle. This is the guy that we got to neutralize. If we want to have any hopes of winning this ball game, we've got to keep this guy under control. And for you to go out there game in and game out, week in and week out, and show the level of consistency in which you've done that speaks volumes. The type of player that you are.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, like, it's a lot harder to get open now. You know, it used to be easy and no one knew who the hell I was. I was getting wide open and now it's. I'm getting chipped at the line. I'm getting double team here and there. And I think it just, it means more when I catch a ball now because it's like I had to really work for it, man. It wasn't just schemed up, it wasn't. I really had to get open and work for it. You had to beat two guys instead of one and just means a little bit more. So now there's no secret, man. Now I got to do it again. When everyone knows who I am.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

When it's all said and done, how. How do you want your career? How do you want. How do you want to be remembered? How does Trey McBride want to be remembered when it's all said, said and done?

[Trey McBride]

Just as a consistent, you know, elite player, man. A guy who kind of did everything the right way, you know, played for his teammates and most importantly, man, did it the right way. I think that's the most thing is you don't want to, you know, cheat the game, man. You just want to keep. Keep building it and then just do it the right way. And I think that's what I'm trying to build.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know, the thing is in your quarterback, Kyle, you've been there, he's been there your entire time. And there's a stretch that he might be leaving, he might be traded. And now some of that's been taken back that there's a chance that he might stay there. Are you okay with that or you. You think you guys. Kyler's got, kind of got nicked. But you had great seasons under Kyler. I mean, it just, it just skyrocketed. It just skyrocketed with, with Jacobe.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, man, I love Kyler, man. He's a tremendous player. A guy who can make all the off schedule plays, man. He can. He can do it all. So I love everything about him and I'd love to have him back as a quarterback because obviously we got a great chemistry. We got. I know exactly what he's thinking. But you know, whoever's back there slinging it, man, I'm gonna get open for him and we're gonna make it happen, baby.

[Ocho Cinco]

So. Okay, so we can pencil you in 130 next year.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, 130. And just add, you know, add one.

[Ocho Cinco]

Or two to add to all those because, you know. Okay, you already got the record, so you might as well try to get. I think Kelsey. Kelsey got over 1400, so you got to get that one. And I think Gronk has, like, 17, 16, 17 something.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah. So I got some work to do. No doubt.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

All you got to do is start.

[Bo Jackson]

Start off early.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

You start off early those first five weeks.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

And just cruise the rest of the season.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I don't know.

[Evan Smith]

You get.

[Ocho Cinco]

You get 130/1500 yards and 16 touchdowns. You might be the first tight end to win an mvp.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Evan Smith]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

With those kind of numbers, man. Congratulations. But how you doing, bro?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm doing all right, man. It's good to see y', all, man. Proud of y', all, as always. Doing y' all thing. I watch y' all when I can, especially nightcap, you know, doing y' all things. I said, my boy just making noise and stuff, like winning, you know, winning top 10 across the board, handling this business. Y' all don't mind saying that. And I've been in it as long as he has.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The podcast world and all that. I have my feelings kicking my ass, you know, but I'm like this. Nah, nah. He a pioneer. Yeah. I'm following him. So I'm good with it. I'm good with it.

[Ocho Cinco]

So what you. What you been.

[Trey McBride]

Go ahead.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I'm gonna say I want to talk a little basketball. I know he knows. He has the knowledge. He's in the game, understand the game. He can hear some of the things that we can't hear in the background. Giannis.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

And Ja.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Is there a move for those two before Today's. Before the 4 o'?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Clock? It's highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely. It's still possible, but highly unlikely. Giannis has four calf injuries since over the last 19 months. Now, I'm a Knicks fan.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So long suffering, die hard Knicks fan. And I'm sitting up there.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You saw you. Oh, I still remember how you always tease me about that. Oh, my goodness. Don't get me started with him. But the thing about it is this. I'm like, go get him. Go get Giannis. Go get Giannis. And then the calf injuries came out. Wait a minute now. I mean, wait a minute now, because here's the reason why you really hurt Stephen A. I'm tell you why you get nervous. I'M telling you why you get nervous. Kd Calf injury before the torn Achilles. You see what happened last year. Halliburton Tatum, Damian Lillard, you get nervous. And so the worst thing that could happen to the New York Knicks, you're gonna have to trade at least two players in a couple of picks. And if you do that, and then Giannis can't go, oh, what a disaster, I can't have that.

[Ocho Cinco]

And he's gonna want a match extension this summer, too.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. And so I worry about that in the case of John Morant. Here's my problem. First of all, all of these cats that want to get on him for his troubles from years ago. Stop that.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Just stop that. You know, he was young, made him a state. Let it go, Cam. Let it go. But here's what you can hold against him. I see no change in this game. I see no change in his game.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

No. No evolving.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, no, no. No evolving. But you shooting 23% for three point range, do you know that that's the second worst three point shooter in the NBA right now?

[Bo Jackson]

Hold on.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I'm just saying at the second level. And, and, and when it's time to drive to the, that that's where he makes his hate.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But what I'm saying to you is the way now you got to be able to be a perimeter threat so you. He could give you 18 to 20 a night with ease. The problem is to get you to the next level, you got to be able to hit from a win. Okay, okay, okay. Especially with him being as slim as he is.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes. You got to be able to guard. You can't shoot 23% as a guard.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Shoot 23% for three point range. Three point range. You can't do that. And so when I'm looking at him, maybe it's because of the distractions, maybe it's because of the money you got comfortable. But I'm not seeing any evolving in your game, okay? And that's what I'm worried about. Not that he can't play.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I know where he can evolve. I know we can evolve. Coming on down at a structured environment where discipline is concerned in Miami.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't mind that. I don't, I, I don't, I don't. But wait a minute. But for. At the expense of whom? Because I ain't letting go of Tyler Hero for him.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

What?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know what? Let me tell you why. Tyler Hero can shoot. He can spread the floor. If, if, if Ja can't shoot, then how. That's Gonna help.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Bam.

[Stephen A. Smith]

How that's gonna help Khalil Webb, how that's gonna help these other cats? You need to have somebody that can shoot from the outside to keep you honest. So when you come out there to defend them, it gives you big some space. You can't have a cat that's got to go to the hole. You listen. Remember when Ben Simmons was playing?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

This is an all time play I'll never get as long as I live. Carmelo Anthony is guarding Ben Simmons. And then it's like a light bulb flash. He said. He said, what the hell am I doing? And turned his back to Ben Simmons and sprinted to the paint. He said, what am I guarding him out there for? He'll never shoot that. You see what I'm saying? You got to make somebody respect you enough to guard you away from the basket.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay?

[Ocho Cinco]

This game, everybody. I mean, only one player. And Jaden Daniels was. Jaden Daniels and. And Connor from Threads.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Or the only two people that we've had come across this desk and pick the Patriots to win this game.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, it ain't gonna be me. Ain't gonna be me. I ain't picking no damn Patriots. I hope that's not what you were leading to. Why would you want to pick them?

[Ocho Cinco]

So right now it's 10 to 2. Everybody else that's coming up here to talk to Ocho and I, right? It's 10 to 2, Seattle to win over the paper.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Then I'm 11.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, I'm 11. Yeah, I'm 11.

[Ocho Cinco]

What. What is it about? What is it about the Seahawks that you love?

[Stephen A. Smith]

They're the most complete team. New England went against the charges. Damn good defense. Yeah, they went against Houston. Elite defense. They went against Denver Broncos. 68 sacks, four shy of the all time record. I know you know about your Broncos. None of them were considered number one. It was Seattle, right? That's the defense you got to go against. Then I'm looking at a Patriots offense that's only giving you 18 points per game in the postseason. Now, I understand the blizzard in Denver in the second half, right? But how you explain the first four and out the first four possessions? You had three and outs in the first half. How do you explain the fact that you were struggling really to score against Houston? How do you explain the fact that you were sc. Struggling to score against the Chargers? But I'm supposed to believe you going to score against Seattle? And then when I think about in jba, I'm like, who the. He ain't stronger, bigger, faster, Than nobody. But you can't stop him. He was doing. He was wreaking havoc at Ohio State. Now look what he doing in Seattle. That's why you let go of TK Metcalf as your number one option, because you could afford. And this brother been playing lights out. Sam Donald suddenly looked like an all world quarterback. You know, Kenneth Walker, everybody talking about sharpening, being out. But let me tell you something kind of Walker, he did rush for over a thousand yards. He did average 4.6 yards of carry. I'm like, how are we sleeping on him? We can't sleep on these brothers. I just think they're the most complete team and I think the only shot New England has of winning this super bowl, they have to hold Seattle to 20 points or less because I don't see them scoring more than 20.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

No.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they're going to have, they're going to have Cokes and turnovers.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Now, Sam Darlin's been great in the postseason. He's taking care of the football.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

As long as he doesn't revert back to what we think and what we've seen him be. Stephen A. I think they'll be fine. But you know, go back and look at every team in the turn in the, in the playoffs. Whoever's turned the ball over the most, they went home.

[Aaron Jones]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

By the way, Drake may six times. Three lost fumbles.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Sacked five times each game. Oh, so y' all ain't even protecting him. And by the way, you see how Seattle get to the ball. So, so, so you can run with the football. And he's shown that he could do that, particularly on first and second down.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They use him on first and second down. So I get that part. But I'm like this, that ain't gonna work against. Yeah, no, absolutely. I can't see that happening. The only way is if Drake all of a sudden with booty and Diggs is flinging that damn football. And all of a sudden we, we watching these cats throw the damn football. If I see that, that will change my mind. I can't see it happen.

[Ocho Cinco]

But the secondary for Seattle is so good.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Exactly.

[Ocho Cinco]

Iman, they're really good defensive line with, with D. Law and, and Leonard Williams and those guys re. Man, they, they, they're really good. Ernest Jones iv, he's. He's been a steal. He's been exceptional.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And then people appointed to LA, you scored 38 against them in the regular season in the overtime loss when they lost. 38, 37. You lost. They gave up 27 to LA, you know, in the playoffs. And I'm going like this. That was Puka Nu out there catching that damn ball.

[Ocho Cinco]

And Devonte, you ain't got, you ain't.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Got that on New England. I respect the hell out of Booty and Diggs, but you ain't that dude.

[Bo Jackson]

No, they're not.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You're not that dude. That's where I'm at with it.

[Ocho Cinco]

And I like Drake may, but I for me. And I don't have a vote, but if I had a vote, I'll vote for Matthew Stafford for mvp.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Easy. The only problem I like. See, here's the problem I have with you. Shannon Sharp, you know, say oo this. He had this problem all the damn time. It's okay to say, Stephen, you right. I agree with you. See, he tried to say. He, he, he, he was listening to me. He was listening to me say that. You understand? He was listening to me say staffing the damn mvp. Yeah, yeah, but he'll say it, he'll just say it without saying no.

[Ocho Cinco]

But, but, but you, but, you know, but you know, there have been some that says Drake made.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, no, I, I don't. Listen, listen, the Drake made problem. In all seriousness, New England had the Weakest schedule since 1999. The weakest schedule in the NFL since 1999. That's what the stats show. Then you got the Chargers, you're depleted at your offensive line with two Pro Bowlers out, the Slater and all. You go against Houston, Nico Collins is out. Schultz goes down in the second quarter. You go up against Denver Stidham, a backup quarterback who hadn't throw. Not only is he a backup quarterback, he ain't throw a pass this 20, 23. Okay. And then on top of.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

That's right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And, and on top of a blizzard came. I mean, come on, you get a lot of luck.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, a lot of luck. You know, but, you know, sometimes, Stephen, they things have to go your way.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's fair.

[Ocho Cinco]

Have to go your way.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's fair. But usually that's not what goes down in the Super Bowl.

[Bo Jackson]

No.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Usually in the super bowl, it's about your skill.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And your will.

[Ocho Cinco]

The. In a game like the super bowl, the momentum. You're going to get two momentum swings.

[Bo Jackson]

Only two.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's going to happen whoever gets the momentum first. How much separation can you put between you and the team that doesn't have the momentum?

[Stephen A. Smith]

See, it's interesting, I love that question because I think that if you're New England, you got to have a 10 point cushion.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't think that's enough.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And I'm saying, and I don't think you, I don't think you're gonna get the cushion. That's my point.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't think because I, I, we've, we've seen Seattle come back from playing the Rams or the rams had what, a 18?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, but the Rams, the Rams defense wasn't New England. That's the only thing New England could get, stops. Rams couldn't get no stop. That's the problem.

[Ocho Cinco]

But the question is Seattle, New England's offense ain't the Rams offense.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't have a win. That's why I don't have a win.

[Ocho Cinco]

That, that, that's the problem. They can run the ball. I like Henderson, I like Stevenson. They can run the football.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But everybody said, I picked a score, final score, 31, 20. And everybody was looking at me and they said, well, you bringing up the defense, why you got them scoring 31 points? And I said, because I think they're going to get too many bites at the apple because New England's offense isn't going to be able to do. But so much so if you have the defense out on the field enough, eventually they going to get, they going to get, they going to wear out.

[Nav Green]

Break.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They going, they going to break.

[Ocho Cinco]

I, I, I, I, I think it might be a little lower score than that. I might, I might go 24 to 16.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Think so. I got 3120. I got 3120.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I can see 30 points simply because the high volume of scoring that Seattle continues to do regardless of who they playing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

By the way, did your boy told me tell you he hooked me up with his boyfriend's glasses and I went, I went and got the glasses. I bought a bunch of them.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, you, oh, you brought that baby.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, no, no, no. He, he got me with the cat. He got me. I saw him, I saw him on nightcap and I was like this, I need a few of those. So I went and got him. I would have got him.

[Ocho Cinco]

You stand for the. No, you leaving Sunday morning, right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm leaving. Probably. You good?

[Ocho Cinco]

You have a good time?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm good, man.

[Ocho Cinco]

Shoot.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Thanks to you. That party last night with no joke, my brother.

[Ocho Cinco]

Brother, I mean, I, I, where you over. So when I cut down to Miami.

[Bo Jackson]

I don't want to hear nothing.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't want to hear nothing. I don't.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It ain't going to be no party. It ain't. I. I ain't throwing no party, but.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Oh, that's right, I forgot you down there. Hey, we got to go to dinner.

[Evan Smith]

I got it.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I'mma tell you where we go.

[Evan Smith]

Okay, that's cool.

[Ocho Cinco]

We good.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'll take you up on it then.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I take your serious. I'm that serious.

[Ocho Cinco]

Come to Vegas. I got you, right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Such a li L. I mean, this Catman. I mean Shannon. I can't find Shannon half the damn time. I'm in Vegas.

[Ocho Cinco]

You good? You good?

[Bo Jackson]

What do you mean?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm good? I've been calling you for hours. Where you at? You know, I can't catch him, you know.

[Bo Jackson]

Hey, man, I'll be in the bed. Stevie.

[Ocho Cinco]

That'd be sweet.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I ain't mad at you, but I'm telling you this. Listen, I love living in Florida. It is lovely.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Hold on.

[Evan Smith]

You don't smoke cigars, huh?

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, not really. But I smoked a few. I mean, I remember one time. Last time. It's been years. Actually. Last time I smoked a cigar, I was in. I was in a cigar bar with Michael Straying.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know what I'm saying? But I mean, I smoke the few.

[Evan Smith]

I mean. Cuz it's cool.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, I'm coming out there. Me, You. Me, You. We going to go to bite to eat.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Come by.

[Ocho Cinco]

I just want to go get. I want to go get a bite to eat. That's it.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

What you. We ain't going to go nowhere else.

[Ocho Cinco]

I want to go get a bite to eat.

[Bo Jackson]

No, no, no, no.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

We ain't going.

[Evan Smith]

Hold on.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

We ain't going to go nowhere else.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, you might want to think that.

[Ocho Cinco]

You might want to eat.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean, there's a couple of spots.

[Ocho Cinco]

That I. I want to go.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, well, I tell you what I do. I tell you what I do. I take you to a spot to eat. But it ain't just about eating it. You know what I'm saying?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

It's all.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's all in one. It's all in one. I'll take you to the spot.

[Ocho Cinco]

Why can't I get friends that support me? Why can't I get free of this?

[Stephen A. Smith]

We are supporting you. We're looking out for you. I mean, we're looking out for you.

[Evan Smith]

You.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We really are. We really are. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we really are. We got you covered, you understand?

[Ocho Cinco]

Why do I. Why do I need any other type of friends?

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

What I'm trying to say, it's okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

To live.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

You're not living. You alive, but you're not living. I continue.

[Ocho Cinco]

I can't seriously tell you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Going home, you working and going home. You're working from home half the time. Stuff like that. You know, I. I bet there's days that go by that you don't leave the house.

[Bo Jackson]

If.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm willing to bet that if I.

[Ocho Cinco]

Don'T go work out. Yes.

[Evan Smith]

See? Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Work out. You mean go work. You mean you don't have a gym in your house?

[Ocho Cinco]

I do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got a show.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got two gyms in my house.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right, then. So why do you got to go to work out?

[Ocho Cinco]

But I. But, you know, I like. I like. So I.

[Stephen A. Smith]

If. If you like to mingle.

[Ocho Cinco]

No. If I don't leave my house to go work out, I would literally be in my house two, three weeks at a time.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I can. I could never do that now. I've. I've improved. I could stay in the house for a couple of days, two or three days without moving. Like the crib I got when co.

[Ocho Cinco]

When co happened. I ain't miss a beat.

[Evan Smith]

I like.

[Ocho Cinco]

I could. That could. You ain't got to go nowhere. Perfect. Wow.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I got. I got to leave the house.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got to go.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I got. I got to go.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got to go out. You got to eat. You got to walk around. You got to. You got to feel the fresh air outside. You got to do that. I don't give a damn if it's me getting in my car to drive to the damn store or something, just to get out and feel the Bree.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, get in your car and drive to the store in Miami.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my story. I'm sticking to it. That's my story. I'm sticking to it. I'm tell you that right now. I mean, that's what it is. That's what it is. It. It is lovely, man. It. You know, when we say Miami, let's be very clear, we're not really talking about Miami. We talk about all its surrounding parts.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, all the stuff around. Within the 30 to 45 minute radius. All around it, you understand? All around it.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Beautiful.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Lauderdale, the Coral Gables.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

That's all us.

[Evan Smith]

It's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's all beautiful.

[Bo Jackson]

It's.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

It's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's got here, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's just. It's just a special thing.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

You gotta come on down.

[Bo Jackson]

I'm coming down, man, but I told.

[Ocho Cinco]

You what I wanted.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And my crib.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Very private.

[Ocho Cinco]

Private.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You ain't got to do it. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You got to worry about being found.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You go to the noise. It ain't at your doorstep. That's the key. That's the key. That's the key. Don't go to the. You don't have the noise at your doorstep.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Go to it.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

I like that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That way you can stay away from it. When it's time, you gotta do.

[Bo Jackson]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm trying to tell you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Stephen A. Smith, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, man. Congratulations on everything, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Appreciate y'. All.

[Ocho Cinco]

The. The serious show. The Stephen A. Smith Show. The big deal at espn, you got. Hey, bro, appreciate it. I pre.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, appreciate you.

[Ocho Cinco]

And I want to tell you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

I appreciate the support a lot of. With a lot. When a lot of people ran away, you ran to me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No. Hell no.

[Ocho Cinco]

And I appreciate that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And I hope you keep them away.

[Bo Jackson]

No, they do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And it was no excuse for people to be that one. Yeah, I saw you. You know, I saw you. You and I talk all the time. You know what I'm saying? I got number love for y'.

[Unidentified Sports Analyst]

All.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Both of y'. All proud of both of y'.

[Evan Smith]

All.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Keep doing what you think. But all these people. Listen, man, when you up here, they.

[Ocho Cinco]

Was with you, you know?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Exactly. And then. And then something happened. And what you do, you. You just sat up there and you forgot that that was supposed to be your boy, Cuz they was never your boys.

[Ocho Cinco]

You're right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They were never your boys. Tell them to kick rocks.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep. With no shoe on.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Damn right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Appreciate it, bro. Have the best.

[Bo Jackson]

All right, Juvie.

[Ocho Cinco]

Appreciate it.

[Stugatz]

Stigatz here. I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to iHeart, and I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern called Stagats Co. Live, which is available in podcast form. Right when the show finishes. Every single day, you can expect a lot of laughter, great guests, a ton of calls, and a lot of fun. Listen to Stew Gotts Co. Live and our original podcast, Stugots Co. And God bless Football. And you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? It's your boy, Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here, but guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chief it's time, Bill. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Evan Smith]

And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is.

[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Bo Jackson]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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