Best NFL Radio Row Interviews Part 2: Denzel Ward, Trey Smith, Tyquan Thornton

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Best NFL Radio Row Interviews Part 2

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests: Denzel Ward, Trey Smith, Tyquan Thornton, Jay Glazer, Daniel Cormier
Date: February 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay features an electrifying collection of interviews recorded on NFL Radio Row. Host Shannon Sharpe sits down with Cleveland Browns star CB Denzel Ward, Kansas City Chiefs All-Pro Guard Trey Smith, dynamic Chiefs WR Tyquan Thornton, Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer, and UFC Hall of Famer Daniel Cormier.

The conversations span from in-depth football analysis and candid talk about team challenges to lively banter about fights, mental health, and personal growth. Listeners are treated to behind-the-scenes NFL insights, honest self-reflection, practical advice for young athletes, and memorable stories from some of the most accomplished voices in both football and combat sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Denzel Ward: Browns’ Pursuit of Team Success

[01:36 – 13:45]

• Team Frustrations and Transition

  • Ward speaks on another individually stellar season, but voices his hunger for collective team achievement:
    • "At some point in time you play a team sport. This ain't golf, this ain't tennis…right now I want to have some team success. I'm tired of getting my eyes beat in and we lose it. But man, hell of a game, Denzel. Hell of a game after the game." – Host [02:19]
  • Ward confirms the focus on upgrading offense, with the arrival of new coach Todd Monken:
    • "We struggled on offense and wasn't able to put points on the board…hopefully coach Monk can come in and change the offensive organization around." – Ward [02:54]

• Roster Needs as a Hypothetical GM

  • Ward doubles down on the need for key offensive pieces:
    • “We got to solidify that quarterback position…And we go need receivers…I'm going heavy offense.” – Ward [04:22]

• CB Mindset & Player Analysis

  • Ward explains his approach to the game and covering different types of receivers, emphasizing adaptability:
    • "For me, it just depend on personnel…It's not like I don't like going against big receivers or little receivers, but who that guy [is]" – Ward [07:57]
    • On changing technique: “I like to kind of play the game…kind of play chess…switch it up a little bit.” – Ward [08:53]

• Lockdown Corners, Film Study, and Recognition

  • Co-hosts and analysts praise Ward, noting he's mentioned as a top challenge by NFL receivers—alongside Pat Surtain II.
    • "I've never seen anything like that. As smooth as patient dog. My favorite rep from you…is the one against my brother T. Higgins..." – Co-host [06:42]

• Receiver Matchups and Antics

  • The segment wraps with banter about live reps, old highlights, and Ward’s participation in offseason workouts.

2. Trey Smith: Chiefs’ Accountability and Bouncing Back

[16:20 – 21:46]

• Chiefs’ High Standards & 2025 Season Reflection

  • Trey acknowledges a down year due to injuries and inconsistent play:
    • "We fell well short of the standard this year. And I can speak for myself in terms of accountability…being very consistent…" – Smith [16:57]
  • Sharpe underscores the issue of relying too heavily on Mahomes to fix offensive mistakes.

• Restoring Team Chemistry and Offensive Line Play

  • Smith stresses the importance of chemistry, early OTAs, and being detail-oriented:
    • “It's a standard…getting back to that standard…we have to finish better, be a better team, get back to the winning ways.” – Smith [18:17, 18:42]
  • As a hypothetical GM, Smith emphasizes protection for Mahomes and minimizing mistakes.

• Public Perception of Chiefs’ Success

  • Co-host remarks on the difficulty of sustained team success and how it can skew public patience:
    • “...because the Chiefs have sustained consistent success for so long, you make it look so goddamn easy…” – Co-host [21:01]

3. Tyquan Thornton: Opportunity, Role Frustration & Versatility

[22:10 – 25:16]

• Early Season Success & Changing Role

  • Tyquan shares how his targets dipped once other receivers returned:
    • “...a couple of guys came back…those guys that they were, I would say, probably more familiar with or had plans for...” – Thornton [22:44]
    • “I still showed up every day at work…coming out there making plays…with the opportunities that I got…” [23:04]

• Beyond the Deep Threat Stereotype

  • He expresses frustration at only being used as a deep threat, despite his ability to run the whole route tree:
    • “Every time you turn on the clip, he's going vertical…when we doing one on ones…I'm trying to work different routes to show you that I can get open and create separation.” – Thornton [24:26]

• Future Aspirations and Return to KC

  • On whether he’d stay:
    • “If I go back to the Chiefs, and play with Pat and get my fair share of targets, I would love to do that.” – Thornton [24:58]

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4. Jay Glazer: Hall of Fame Voting, Spygate & Mental Health

[28:01 – 43:04]

• NFL Hall of Fame Politics

  • Jay narrates being an industry outsider and why Belichick and Kraft were snubbed:
    • “...all those old school writers…used their pen as a weapon…for 11 years, I could not get a full time job…they say, ‘he's not objective. He's friends with the players’…” – Glazer [29:37]
    • On the Belichick snub: “If you're the greatest, you're the greatest. You know, I mean, that's it…I think also, like, because he wasn't great with the media, it was their vendetta.” [32:35]

• Spygate Backstory

  • Tells the story of breaking Spygate, facing skepticism from TV legends—even Howie Long:
    • “[Howie] goes…You're telling me this kid…has a Spygate video and you're giving him extra time?...he has the video?” – Glazer [37:38]

• Advocacy for Mental Health

  • Glazer talks about his battles with depression, anxiety, and how public openness is changing:
    • “For years, I thought I was cursed…Now I think God blessed me with all these so I could free us all, liberate us…” – Glazer [38:45]
    • Shares his journey and support bracelet from Michael Phelps, emphasizing authentic relationships and peer support.

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5. Daniel Cormier: UFC Evolution, Training, and Athlete Mindset

[43:31 – 67:08]

• Jon Jones Debate & Weight Class Dynamics

  • Cormier explains why Jones is better at 205 lbs:
    • “It takes discipline to get back down. That’s why he was so good at 205, because he was having to live so clean…” – Cormier [44:18]
  • Affirms Jones as the greatest UFC fighter at his best:
    • “Is there anybody in UFC history was a better fighter than Jon Jones?...No.” – Cormier, multiple voices [51:25]

• Combat Sports and Recovery

  • Discusses why fighters struggle to return after long layoffs (citing Conor McGregor, Muhammad Ali):
    • “He hasn’t fought in like four and a half years. Because he broke his leg last time…You do become a better fighter by fighting.” – Cormier [55:51, 56:28]

• UFC Growth & Public Appeal

  • Cormier and Sharpe recall the bare origins of UFC and why the sport exploded:
    • “At its core, right, we all love fighting. The moment people start fighting, what do we all do?...Circle around.” – Cormier [60:57, 61:06]
    • “I am more recognizable today because I talk about the UFC than I was even when I was playing the game. It’s crazy.” – Cormier [61:27]

• Wrestling’s Undefeated Utility in MMA

  • On why wrestling dominates as a base discipline:
    • “It’s the wrestler. The wrestler determines where the fight takes place.” – Cormier [61:54, 62:01]

• Parenting, Youth Sports & Multi-Sport Pathways

  • Cormier explains why he doesn't push his son too hard, values multi-sport development, and describes his son's daily grind and physical progress.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ward’s approach to cornerback play:

  "I got to be the best. They expect me to be the number one corner out here and lock boys down…that's my goal every game: give them no catches, make plays and be that guy out there..." – Denzel Ward [05:31]

• Jay Glazer on Hall of Fame gatekeeping:

  “For 11 years, I could not get a full time job…they say, 'he's not objective. He's friends with the players'...But as a result…I've never been part of it and I don't really give a fuck.” – Jay Glazer [31:09, 32:05]

• On Jon Jones’ dominance:

  “He was so plus. He tall. He got long arms…good knees, elbows…I don't think in terms of skills, maybe Khabib was as good, but…” – Cormier [51:51, 52:03]

• Daniel Cormier on UFC’s universal appeal:

  “At its core, right, we all love fighting…The moment people start fighting, what do we all do? Circle around.” – Cormier [61:06]

• Jay Glazer on mental health in sports:

  “For years, I thought I was cursed…Now I think God blessed me with all these so I could free us all, liberate us.” – Jay Glazer [38:45]

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Denzel Ward Interview: [01:36 – 13:45]
• Trey Smith Interview: [16:20 – 21:46]
• Tyquan Thornton Interview: [22:10 – 25:16]
• Jay Glazer NFL/Media/Mental Health: [28:01 – 43:04]
• Daniel Cormier (MMA, UFC, Youth Sports): [43:31 – End]

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Episode Tone and Style

The conversation is candid, fast-paced, and frequently playful—anchored by Shannon Sharpe’s animated hosting and rapport with guests who blend humor, expert analysis, and real vulnerability. There’s seamless blending of technical football analysis, player psychology, and cultural commentary.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode delivers an all-access look at what it means to compete—and persist—at the highest levels, in both football and combat sports. Denzel Ward, Trey Smith, and Tyquan Thornton talk openly about their seasons, personal expectations, and the campaign to transform potential into wins. Jay Glazer lifts the curtain on sports media and champions mental health visibility in pro culture. Daniel Cormier offers a master class on the evolution of MMA, athlete adaptability, and what young athletes (and parents) should really focus on.

Whether you’re an NFL fanatic, a UFC buff, or just love hearing from top-tier competitors and insiders, this episode is a high-energy, insight-packed listen that hits hard from every angle.

Transcript

[Stugots]

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[Nav Green]

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[Host/Interviewer]

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[Nav Green]

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[Daniel Cormier]

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[Host/Interviewer]

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[Jay Glazer]

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[Denzel Ward]

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[Daniel Cormier]

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[Denzel Ward]

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[Daniel Cormier]

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[Host/Interviewer]

All right, joining us now back to back on Nightcap Radio Roll another the best. Okay, Joining us now here on Nightcap Radio Row, my guy here he is, number 21 from the Cleveland Browns, Denzel Ward. Denzel, how you doing, bro?

[Denzel Ward]

I'm good, man. Appreciate being here, man. Thanks for having me.

[Host/Interviewer]

Another unbelievable season. But at some point in time, you going to get tired of having these unbelievable seasons individually.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

And want to have an unbelievable season team wise.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Obviously your new coach, new coach coming in. You're probably gonna have a new D.C.

[Denzel Ward]

Oh, don't tell me that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Well, considering that Todd, some of the things that Todd said about her.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

It ain't looking.

[Daniel Cormier]

It ain't looking good.

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying from the outside, it ain't looking good. What do you guys need to do to make sure like Miles is going to win defensive player of the year unanimously. You are a top, a top two, three corner. So the individual success that you've enjoyed and that Miles have enjoyed, but at some point in time you play a team sport. This ain't golf, this ain't tennis. And so the individuality is fine and good and we'll talk about that once come time to hall of Fame. But right now I want to have some team success. I'm tired of getting my eyes beat in and we lose it. But man, hell of a game, Denzel. Hell of a game after the game.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing. That's probably why the decisions was made, how they were made with bringing Todd Monken in. Offensive minded coach. And we struggled to be real. We struggled on offense. We struggled on offense and wasn't able to put points on the board and. And you know, wasn't playing that complimentary football. So once we could do that and hopefully coach Monk can come in and change the offensive organization around, I think we go, we go do well. We got to continue to stay up there for the defense and, and make plays and be that defensive player of the year and top corner in the league. And we're going to make it happen.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Listen, defensively, y' all going to be fine. It doesn't matter. Offensively, we know it needs work. There's some things, there's some pieces that are missing to that puzzle. Obviously the first thing that needs to be situated, you need to figure out who's going to be quarterback number one and then build from there and then go around that. Brother Fanning. What's brother Fanny? First name Harold.

[Daniel Cormier]

Harold.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Boy, he is the real deal. That's one piece. Now continue to add pieces to the puzzle to an office.

[Host/Interviewer]

I need some receivers. I ain't gonna hold you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

What?

[Host/Interviewer]

They need some receivers.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Okay, I'm gonna let that go. I'll let you have a.

[Host/Interviewer]

He know he there every day.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Listen, defensively, you can have a goddamn Pope coach in the defense. Y' all gonna be right. Oprah could come coach the goddamn defense. Y' all gonna be okay. Based on the personnel that you do have. If you put your GM cap on, hypothetically speaking, what changes would you make to here, Cleveland Brown so you guys can have some success and get over the hump and not only compete in the AFC north in that division, but in the NFL in general in the whole.

[Denzel Ward]

I think really everything you just said, like we got to solidify that quarterback position, see who that Number one guys go be. I know we got to have some guys coming back competing. So once we solidify that, but. And we go need receivers off. You know, I'm going heavy offense receivers. I'm going heavy offense and bringing guys in to.

[Jay Glazer]

To.

[Denzel Ward]

To make us better.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Well, speaking of receivers.

[Jay Glazer]

Huh.

[Host/Interviewer]

You know, I'm man, this old man.

[Denzel Ward]

Hey, see, you know, they in the closet. Them cleats in the closet.

[Co-host/Analyst]

They in the car.

[Daniel Cormier]

Okay.

[Host/Interviewer]

N. You remember Lil Bow Wow movie like Mike when he throw the shoes up over the. With the wide.

[Trey Smith]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

That where his cle can't go back and kill him. But like, when you. When you go. Coming into the season, what are you focusing on? So, you know, obviously, you know, I used to like, okay, number one goal was to stay healthy. Then I was like, okay, if I could get X, Y and Z catches, yard, make a Pro bowl, be an all Pro team, get to the super bowl, win the division, things like that. So when Denzel Ward starts putting down his top 10 things that he wants to accomplish in an upcoming season of 2020-2026 season, what do you. What's on your board?

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah, I think like, similar. You said like going into the season, like, all right, I'm trying to stay healthy. We just getting back to the playing fast football reacting and everything. Trying to stay healthy. But then, all right, now I'm trying to make plays and you know, I got to be the best. They expect me to be the number one corner out here and lock boys down. Like, lock my side of the field down. That's what I got to do. So that's all. That's my goal every game. Give them no catches, make plays and be that guy out there on the field.

[Host/Interviewer]

You like traveling?

[Denzel Ward]

I will. I like doing whatever help the team win. But I honestly, I like being on one side locking that side of the field down. You could double up everything on the other side and let me do what I do on this side, you know?

[Host/Interviewer]

You like playing on the. You like playing on the offensive right side or the offensive left side?

[Jay Glazer]

Left.

[Denzel Ward]

Left, yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

That's why I like to line up too.

[Denzel Ward]

That's why I like. I want. I want to see people like you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Me?

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Now you don't want to see me.

[Denzel Ward]

I want to see you.

[Host/Interviewer]

So you like covering the X receiver, the Z?

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Denzel Ward]

It don't matter. It really don't matter.

[Host/Interviewer]

I like it them Z's, not them Z's. You know, the Z's were tough. I mean, Ocho. Ocho like being on the ball Because a lot of guys like being on off the ball. Because that gives me a little bit more separation.

[Denzel Ward]

That's real.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because now if you step and I'm off the ball. Okay, I'm gone.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. You know, I've talked to multiple receivers damn near every. Every NFL receiver in the league, and I always ask them, who gives you the most difficulty? Who gives you one of your best challenges? And the same two names come up. Denzel Ward and Pat. So team, from a technical standpoint, I say it all the time on every show, any platform. Even when I see you in person, I've never seen anything like that. As smooth as patient dog. My favorite rep from you. Yes. Yes. I'm finna glaze right now. I don't care what y' all say. Is the one against my brother T. Higgins, where you off a little back. You shadowing, and he gets a step on you, you turn, you relax, you ain't patient, and you just play the hands. He ended up picking the ball.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I'm like, what, man?

[Host/Interviewer]

Listen, man, sometimes you have to play through the receiver.

[Denzel Ward]

Oh, yeah, Exactly.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

But I think that's. That's the biggest thing. So. Because a lot of times small corners are great with small receivers, shifty guys, and then they struggle with big guys. Do you find yourself struggling? So what do you like? Because big guys normally have a problem. Like Revis. A guy like Revis a big receiver, he was gonna eat them up.

[Denzel Ward]

Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because he's so patient and he's stronger than. He's stronger than you think. Like, man, I'm gonna run through him. And next thing you like, God, think it let me go.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Denzel Ward]

I don't really feel I'm a small corner, though. You know, I got a little good size to me, but for me, I think it just depend on the personnel, like, who the player is. Like, it's not like I don't like going against big receivers or little receivers, but who that guy. Are they able to use their body type? Like, so like a George picking like he'll. A taller receiver. Like he's good at. Okay.

[Host/Interviewer]

Play through contact.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah, he can go play through contact. So that might be a little tougher matchup. But fast guys, Tyreek Hill or something like that, like, I like going against guys like that, too, but it's really just what. Whatever they're good at. Are they able to do that? Well, better than what I can.

[Co-host/Analyst]

It's a funny thing. I like. I like about him, too. And I've been. I've been studying. I've been studying your game for a long time because you know how I love and feel about DB play. I've seen you change your game plan. I've seen you change your style of play based on the receiver that's in front of you.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, definitely.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I've seen it. So I understand what you're going through and what you're thinking, because it's all a chess match at that point based on the skill set that's in front of you.

[Denzel Ward]

Exactly. Yeah. That's how I feel like if you just stand there and you know, I'm doing the same thing every single time. Okay, now you making a plan. Okay. I know he bout to line up and do this, so I'm a boom. I'm giving him this release, and I know he gonna go here. So that's why I like to kind of play the game. Like, okay, I'm gonna switch it up a little bit. That's seem like we play Pittsburgh. Like, they challenge me like the last three plays of the game or whatever. So I like, changed up. I ain't play the same technique on all the plays. I changed it up my jump jam them or I might get offense. So just switching it up and. And just playing chess game.

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm just trying to figure that out. They gonna take the third best receiver and try you on fourth and on fourth and goal. Did that make any sense to you?

[Denzel Ward]

I didn't understand it because, I mean, they didn't try me all game, but I know, like, at some point in the game, you gotta. You gotta come to me. You gotta. You gotta come and just see. See what you got.

[Jay Glazer]

But.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah, I didn't understand three plays in.

[Host/Interviewer]

A row why they did jsn. You watch jsn. I don't know if you had. Had you had the opportunity to cover jsn, but if. When you watch him on film and you watch what he does and how he just. He's just like, ain't no wasting motion.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

There's no chop to his game. The out looks like the end. The end looks like the goal. The goal looks like the seven. I mean, everything is like he's falling off the table and nothing. Nothing is wasted.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

When you. When you watch him, is that what makes him so special? What makes him so unique?

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah, just like that. I agree with that.

[Jay Glazer]

Like that.

[Denzel Ward]

That makes it tough when he making his routes look the same every single time. And you like, he's running straight and, oh, he could break it in or running straight. He could break it out. So it's like, okay, you gotta stay true, play it true. But he a smooth route runner, great hands, great routes, and he making everything look the same.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Who you. I'm asking you to put some money that means something to you. Who you got, the Patriots or the Seahawks?

[Trey Smith]

Yeah.

[Denzel Ward]

I got a lot of respect, Coach Brable and what he was able to do for the Patriots in one year. But I got Seattle.

[Host/Interviewer]

You got Seattle because of the defense.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Huh? Because of the defense.

[Denzel Ward]

I got it because of Jackson Smith. I got it because of both. They both been. Been doing well. I got it for both.

[Jay Glazer]

Okay.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because they can run the football with K9. Sam Darnold has been playing unbelievable. He just has to one more game. He's done great in the postseason. He hasn't had. He hadn't turned the ball over. You know, you turned the ball over, and come post season, you're going home. You look at the team that turned the ball over in the postseason, all.

[Jay Glazer]

Of them going home.

[Daniel Cormier]

Definitely.

[Host/Interviewer]

Everybody went home. You look at the Texans, you look at the Broncos, you look at the red, you look at. If you turn the football over, you are going home.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah, that's what we look at every year. What's the turnover margin? Like, if you turn the ball over, Intercept the ball. Okay. That team more likely to win. You know, you take care of the ball, you're more likely to win. So.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah. Oh.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Matter of fact, man, you seen Miles Garrett? Yeah, where he at?

[Denzel Ward]

I don't know.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He promised me that sack jersey, that 23. As soon as he got that sack, he told me he was gonna give me that jersey. He sent it to the hall of Fame. So you know what I got to do to him? You can go.

[Denzel Ward]

Just take it out the little case, go to the hall of Fame and.

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He got to see me.

[Denzel Ward]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyquan Thornton]

Okay.

[Denzel Ward]

I don't know how that good that's gonna go.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You want me to tell you how it's gonna go?

[Denzel Ward]

Let me hear.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I'm finna whoop him.

[Denzel Ward]

What kind of.

[Host/Interviewer]

What do you say?

[Denzel Ward]

Like Madden?

[Host/Interviewer]

No, I'm talking about with Deez.

[Denzel Ward]

I don't know, man, but he promised me the jersey. D y' all different weight classes?

[Co-host/Analyst]

No weight. Glasses don't matter with me. It's all about skill.

[Host/Interviewer]

But here's the thing. You want some one on one? You want some one on one.

[Co-host/Analyst]

But who?

[Denzel Ward]

Look, he act like he didn't hear it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, he's on the field.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah, like he ain't here.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, you don't want none of this. Hey, you know, let me tell you something. I done studied him too much.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

So you know it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I know. I know every move. He play head up, he play outside. It don't matter what he do. I got something for him.

[Host/Interviewer]

Do you think he'll quick jam you?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Quick jam?

[Host/Interviewer]

Who he gonna post or what? He looking to post. Stab.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, but he stabbed. I'm going up under that thing.

[Denzel Ward]

See, look, I seen he had the thing where brought all the receivers out. You know, I was trying to show up and give boys some one on ones like, hey, I'm trying to come.

[Co-host/Analyst]

We doing it this year. Yeah, you can come out there and give us a look.

[Denzel Ward]

Let me. I give y' all a look.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

You.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You nervous?

[Denzel Ward]

I'm good. I just want to give a look.

[Daniel Cormier]

Give a good look, you know?

[Co-host/Analyst]

I like that. No, you know, I wear my cleats when I'm out there, too.

[Denzel Ward]

That's cool. I wouldn't expect nothing left.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right, man, don't. You don't get no credit for beating no old man. You know, dealing up an old man. That. What you gonna get no credit for that.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He did up everybody in the league now, so. I mean.

[Host/Interviewer]

Well, he definitely. Well, keep doing that. Just keep doing that, man. Denzel, man, congratulations on a great season. Continue success, stay healthy. And, man, hopefully, man, we see you guys in the playoffs real, real soon. I hope so, because all that it's. Look, I know the money good. I know the adulation being an all Pro and a pro bowl player. But you want some team success. That's what you. That's what. That's what you play for. Absolutely. What you play for. Well, congratulations, man. Stay healthy. We'll see you down the road.

[Denzel Ward]

Yes, sir.

[Daniel Cormier]

Appreciate it.

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[Stugots]

Stugats here. I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow, and I have brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugats Co. Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.

[Host/Interviewer]

I love you guys show.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's one of my favorites.

[Stugots]

A lot of interaction. Guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugouts Co. Live. So listen to Stugouts Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugots Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up man? This your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what, it ain't the end of your season. And you can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect podcast network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs.

[Host/Interviewer]

What's a wrap?

[Nav Green]

It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake May up there.

[Host/Interviewer]

Josh Allen up there still. Oh my boy Matthew Stafford.

[Daniel Cormier]

Where did Nicks at?

[Host/Interviewer]

He ain't too far behind.

[Jay Glazer]

He did all this talking.

[Host/Interviewer]

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro is crazy.

[Nav Green]

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew staffer got better weapon. Caleb Williams.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Jay Glazer]

In what conversation?

[Nav Green]

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or whatever. You get your podcast.

[Host/Interviewer]

This is two time Super bowl champ, two time Pro Bowler, 24, 25. In February of 25 he signed a four year contract for $94 million making him the highest paid guard. You got money in NFL history, Trey. You look, this was a down year for y'. All. You a lot of injuries. You got hurt, Pat got hurt. You started the season without Rasheed. Then guys were in and out of the lineup. But you know the expectations when you've had the level of success that you've enjoyed over the last seven years. This was an unacceptable season. What do you guys need to do to say, you know what, the Chiefs are back. We really never left and went anywhere, but we're definitely back. Yeah, man.

[Trey Smith]

I mean since I was a rookie, the day I walked in, man, we had a standard, you know what I mean? And obviously we fell well short of the standard. This year. And I can speak for myself in terms of accountability, man, just being more detail oriented, being very consistent, you know, I mean, approaching the game better. You know, as players, we got to make what our coaches call go regardless of situation, regardless of circumstance. And for us, I think it really comes with accountability and being detailed oriented.

[Host/Interviewer]

When you look at a situation. Because sometimes when you have such success and you have a guy like Patrick Mahomes, you feel that he can cover up for a lot of mistakes. No matter where offensive guard with our Pat got that a guy runs the wrong ride or have an M8 pack can have a bad call pack and overcome that. But at some point in time, those mistakes when compounded because you get a guy that will. You get a guy that makes another mistake compounded with a bad call, that's even too much for Patrick Mahomes to overcome. So how do you make sure you get back? Because he's coming off a very serious injury. You lost missed time the entire seven, eight games. So how do you make sure the Kansas City Chiefs that when we in the situation next year when we're in la, there's a great chance. We see the steep thing.

[Trey Smith]

It just starts in the off season, man, early as OTAs, you build that team chemistry early. You know, we bring in new guys, you draft free agents, whatever you have it. Just making sure we're all on the same page as a team. You got a guy like Arbie coming in, obviously Coach Reed, man, like, he lets us be men out there.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right, Right.

[Trey Smith]

But at the same breath, man, we have to be more accountable for ourselves with that freedom, with that respect that he's given us. So for us, man, it's a standard. You know, getting back to that standard, being right, man, like you said, Pat's coming off an injury. I know he's going to attack what everything is. That's who he is. Competitor, man. So just being the best version of ourselves that we can be because we have to uphold that standard that we keep talking about. We have to finish better, we have to be a better team. We have to get back to the winning ways.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Matter of fact, if you a gm, take your football hat off right now, you're not the player, you're not the guard, you're not the one that makes 94 million. Yeah, but you're rich, boy. But you put your GM hat on.

[Trey Smith]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

And you coming into this season knowing Pat is coming off an injury, what would you do offensively to make sure that Pat doesn't have to burden the load of the success when they're all weaknesses in that offense. What would you do?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, man.

[Trey Smith]

I mean, man, it's hard to show you I'm not a gm, man.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Trey Smith]

I don't like speaking on it, but for me, man, I think, you know, a friend has opposite line, but we have to do a better job, you know, keeping him protected. Like you said, off injury, once again, making sure he feels calm, that he can operate and be who he is. Patrick Mahomes. And you know, at the end of the day, man, I really think identifying as players once again, I can only speak to myself. Just being more detailed accountability, just being really in tune with what we're doing every single time we go out there. So we don't stall. We don't have these awkward moments where someone's running the wrong way, like you said, like, you know, someone's whiffing on a play. Like, how can we be better to set him up? We have one of the best to ever do it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because you have times you guys go up and down the field and it's like, this is the Kansas City. And then you go 2, 3/4 and you're like, who the hell is this team? How is that arguably one. That's the greatest quarterback currently playing. You can make a case. He's a top five quarterback and he's only seven, eight years into his career. What happened to this offense? Who are they? And I know you feel that way because you're there. You've seen it at its highest. Yeah. When you guys can do no wrong. Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Trey Smith]

I mean, that's just the ebbs and flows of the game, though. You know, at the end of the day, man, you're not going to be that dominant, consistent factor every single year. Yes, you might have a down, you might have a down, tumultuous time, but.

[Host/Interviewer]

You know, it's just about getting back.

[Trey Smith]

To the winning ways. Like I said, getting back to the standard is the secret to the sauce. Right. What is the standard? Being consistent.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Trey Smith]

Being accurate, being detail oriented. Once we get back to those ways, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

And how do you do that?

[Trey Smith]

You go to work every single day and you fix something one single time, one rep at a time. You just continually get better and that's all you can do as a player, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Is that where EVP comes in? Because E was the accountability officer. I know E. E was the accountability office. E don't care who you are. He don't care what your title is. How many promos all pro if you effed up. Yeah, he going to let you know. Did you f up?

[Daniel Cormier]

Did you?

[Host/Interviewer]

Did you f up? Tell me what you did.

[Co-host/Analyst]

And the funny thing about it, you know why everybody's always up in arms? Because the Chiefs have sustained consistent success for so long, and you make it look so goddamn easy from the outside looking in those that play the game, we understand how difficult it is. We understand how special Andy Reid in that situation he has with Patrick Mahomes, with Pat Mahomes is. And the fact that when you guys have a down season, every like, oh, my goodness, what happened? And all it is is back, going back to the bases, going back to the drawing board, as you said, as off the line, having accountability, trying to minimize the mistakes you make so Pat Mahomes can function the way he does as one of the better quarterbacks of the. In the history of the NFL. Not just now.

[Trey Smith]

Yeah, man. Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Y' all gonna be all right, though.

[Trey Smith]

Y' all gonna be all, man. Just take it one time at a time, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, Trey, heal up. Yes, sir. You know what the expectations are.

[Trey Smith]

I already know.

[Host/Interviewer]

You know.

[Trey Smith]

Hey, I already hear you be screaming spinach right now.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, also, let. Let Eric beam if y' all need an offensive coordinator, assistant, or wide receiver coach.

[Jay Glazer]

Assistant. Yeah, I'm here.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I already got on red. Yeah, let me know.

[Host/Interviewer]

Getting healthy, bro. Yes, sir. Much forward to seeing you back out there. Last year, it was the Kansas City Chiefs, one of the fastest players in the NFL. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Tyquan Thornton. Ty, how you doing, bro?

[Tyquan Thornton]

Doing good, man. How you doing?

[Host/Interviewer]

I'm doing good, man. Man, you got off to such a great start.

[Jay Glazer]

Superior.

[Host/Interviewer]

And it seemed like once Rasheed came back or Hollywood came back, your numbers all of a sudden took a dip. What transpired that you were playing so well, you could easily be thought of as the best receiver.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Especially for the first four or five games. What transpired to cause your production to.

[Tyquan Thornton]

Kind of taper off like you said, man. You know, a couple of guys came back, and, you know, those guys that they were, I would say, probably more familiar with or had plans for and something like that. So, you know, I don't really know what really went on behind them closed doors and everything, but, like, you know, nothing changed for me at all.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You know what I'm saying?

[Tyquan Thornton]

I still showed up every day at work, you know what I'm saying? Coming out there, doing what I do, going out there making plays and with the opportunities that I got, but, you know.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, but see, the good thing about it is that's the game that they do play, when people go down, you get your opportunity. You made the most of said opportunities once you got in there and look like the best receiver on that team. So if you're not going back to Kansas City, which you've already set yourself up for, 31 other teams, understanding that, okay, if we had this young fella based on what he did when everybody else went down with the Chiefs, this is what he can do. This is the value that he adds to our team. So for you, that's part of the game, that's part of the business. You know, I understand that you should understand it at this point as well. But you've already set yourself up for the future regardless.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, this is a situation because you did run 427 coming out of college. And it seems like everybody just wants to make you let you run deep. But I can run other things. I can run it out. I can run a dig, I can run an over. I can run a. I mean, let me do something other than go deep. Yes, I can get deep, I can run a post, I can run a 9 route, but I can also run a speed out. I can also run an in cut. I can also run an over. Does it get frustrating? Because it seems to me looking from the outside and I don't know what they call, but it seems to me that every time I see you in there, you just going deep.

[Tyquan Thornton]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, it definitely get frustrating, you know, because I mean, everybody know like once AD get on the field, he's.

[Host/Interviewer]

Going, yeah, he's going vertical.

[Tyquan Thornton]

Every time you turn on the clip, he's going vertical, you know, and that's why I like, you know, when we going in training camp and stuff like that, and when we doing one on ones, you see me out there, I'm.

[Daniel Cormier]

Never going deep, right?

[Tyquan Thornton]

Never in 100 ones, going deep. It's always like I'm trying to work different routes to show you that like I can get open and create separation. So, yeah, I mean, that's something that I still want to show. Go out there and show that I can run a deep over, a deep out. You know what I'm saying? A dagger, you know what I'm saying? Go able to go over there and get open consistently.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, but you done set yourself up right. You don't set yourself up. Do you want to go back to the Chiefs?

[Jay Glazer]

Be care.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Be careful. I mean, you could be PC, but would you like to?

[Host/Interviewer]

I want an opportunity to play.

[Tyquan Thornton]

Yeah. So if I go back to the Chiefs, and play with Pat and get the my fair share of target.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes, sir, man.

[Tyquan Thornton]

I would love to do that.

[Co-host/Analyst]

There we go.

[Tyquan Thornton]

I would love to do that.

[Co-host/Analyst]

There we go. You heard that Mr. Reed, Mr. B. Enemy. Come on now.

[Host/Interviewer]

Red Beach Ty. Appreciate you, man.

[Tyquan Thornton]

Thank y' all, man. For sure.

[Host/Interviewer]

Get help catch you stay healthy. Best of luck in the future, man.

[Tyquan Thornton]

Thank y', all, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Thank you. Thanks for joining.

[Stugots]

I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow and I have brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugats Co. Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.

[Host/Interviewer]

I love you guys show.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's one of my favorites.

[Stugots]

A lot of interaction. Guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugouts Co. Live. So listen to Stugots Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugots Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast. Wherever you get your podcast.

[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast? Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect podcast network. Work another team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs.

[Host/Interviewer]

What's a wrap?

[Nav Green]

It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now.

[Host/Interviewer]

Then Drake may up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford.

[Daniel Cormier]

Where did Bo Nicks at?

[Host/Interviewer]

He ain't too far behind.

[Daniel Cormier]

He did all this talking.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hey, what Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy.

[Nav Green]

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Jay Glazer]

In what conversation?

[Nav Green]

He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or whatever, you get your podcast.

[Daniel Cormier]

And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You can decide who takes home the.

[Jay Glazer]

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[Jay Glazer]

There you go.

[Host/Interviewer]

Giving NFL information the best. Harry. Jay Glazer. Jay, how you doing, bro?

[Jay Glazer]

Doing great, man. Glad to be gone, man. You guys gotta have me on more.

[Host/Interviewer]

You want to come on?

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah, I want to come on.

[Host/Interviewer]

I like it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, you can curse. I do it all the time.

[Jay Glazer]

Okay, good, good. You guys know me. You know, the only time I don't is, you know, when, like, the red light comes on. The box. Well, Howie Long used to have a counter in the. In our meetings. Yeah. And like, I didn't know what was going on. And I would say, you know, I'm from Jersey, so that's how I talk. So I'd say, oh, this. And also boom, boom, boom. And one day in, you know, production meetings, all of a sudden, how. He's like 72. I'm like, what is he talking about? And I said, he talking about 73 and what? And he had a counter. And how many times I say in going into the meeting, but. Right. Red light comes on, I don't say I'm good. Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Jay Glazer]

I'm a professional.

[Host/Interviewer]

Help me understand this.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

There's been a lot of talk over the last week. We found out last week that Coach Belichick didn't get in on the first.

[Jay Glazer]

Ballot of all time.

[Host/Interviewer]

And we also just found out in the last couple of days, Mr. Kraft also didn't get in on the second ballot.

[Jay Glazer]

That's them, too.

[Host/Interviewer]

Jay, what's going. What is. Have you heard? Cuz I know you've heard from some of the voters what's going on?

[Jay Glazer]

No, no, I don't. But you guys know me.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

I'm not part of that crew.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jay Glazer]

I've never been allowed to play with the children there. Like, I always did it differently. You guys remember 93? I came in.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

Right. And I was like, man, I don't have. I started covering the Giants, and I was like, I don't have the same education. I got kicked out of my first college. Yes. I went down a box to Westchester University of Pennsylvania. They kicked me out the day boxing season ended. And so it's like, all right, they're using me for that. And went back home, started doing Jersey, and then moved to New York to go to Pace College, downtown Manhattan, because it was the cheapest place to live. And. But I eventually, like, I was like boxing, bouncing, bartending, doing. I was. I was being a bouncer for a crime family at what used to be Studio 54. And then I think it became it after that. But it was like, it wasn't the greatest career choice for me and. And I actually signed to box for the Genovese crime family that was giving me my job, right? But then eventually, thank God, I never showed up, that I was like, God, like, hit me the lightning bolt. Like the day before I was going to my first practice of a finals gym in Jersey City. Like, God, like, hit me with a lightning bolt. Like, what are you doing? You're not even telling you're Jewish. Like, what are you doing? Thank God it never got showed up. And they all got rounded up in international jug Ring like six months later, right? Thank you. My best friend. God almighty. So I get in there, I cover the Giants. I'm like, man, how could I be different?

[Denzel Ward]

Different?

[Jay Glazer]

And I was going to start relationships and all those old school writers back in the day was. And I don't know, like, when did you start?

[Host/Interviewer]

90.

[Jay Glazer]

90, right. Remember how it was back then? They used to use their pen as a weapon. That's how much our relationships. I have more in common with you guys than them, right? And I got destroyed for it. So for 11 years, I could not get a full time job because every time an editor or a producer, whatever would ask about me, they say, no, no, he's not objective. He's friends with the players, right? And I just saw like, dude, I'm not covering the Middle East. We're in sports, right? But I got destroyed. But as a result, because I did it my way, I never got included into the group of, you know, hall of Fame or AP or nothing. I've never been part of it and I don't really give a fuck.

[Host/Interviewer]

But you did. You broke the story about Spygate. How much?

[Daniel Cormier]

How? How?

[Jay Glazer]

My God. Now, now, now, you know, God almighty in heaven.

[Host/Interviewer]

But there's a situation where people, many believe that Spygate was worse than them was let on. How much does Spygate play in a role that Coach Belichick not getting in and Mr. Craft not getting into the ballot?

[Jay Glazer]

I think, like, people want to use again. I I, I can't talk first thing because I don't talk to those cats.

[Denzel Ward]

Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

You're not in the room when they were.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah. So like, if they want to hold on to that, they can hold. But that's like saying, okay, we're going to keep Lawrence Taylor out. Cuz he did, he did blow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

Stupidest of all time. If you're the greatest, you're the greatest. You know, I mean, that's it. Okay. And he won plenty of games with that. So I, I don't know. I, I think also, like, because he wasn't great with the media, it was their vendetta. And this is not me knowing a personal. Just from the outside in, how do you not put him first? Right. Like that means no coach should ever be a first ballot.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

In the history of life.

[Host/Interviewer]

I mean, but you know what? You know where I get pushed back, where I push back on everybody, but because they say he was average without Coach Belichick. Was average without Tom Brady. Ask me what was not the best. What was Chuck Noel without Terry Bradshaw?

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

What was Coach Lombardi without Bart Stark? Now see, they never use that argument because Bart Starr, I mean, Coach Lombardi was a first ballot hall of Famer.

[Jay Glazer]

Shanahan Chuck.

[Host/Interviewer]

No. Was the first ballot hall of Famer. So, I mean, and Don Shuler was the first ballot hall of Fame. But look at his quarterbacks. He had Johnny Unit, Bob Greasy and Dan Marino. I think, well, damn, you got me 100 players of all time.

[Jay Glazer]

I always say, when you have a quarterback, all of a sudden you know how to pick players your coaches can coach. You look like you're fantastic. Yeah. When you don't have a quarterback, everyone's a dumb shit.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

You can't pick players no one knows how to coach. Like, you know, I mean, it really is that much.

[Host/Interviewer]

You also said that Mike Tomlin was done coaching. Do you believe that Mike Tomlin is done coaching in the NFL? Or does he take a year off, get a TV gig and come back? Because all the other coaches that's ever coached in Pittsburgh choke. No, never coached again. Coach Coward. Although many believed it, he maybe teased it. He never coached again. Is this a similar situation?

[Jay Glazer]

I think he's done. Look, he told me and Ronde Barber two years ago. Yeah, but, but also it's like, he's like, hey, this is my plan. You can't say this right. Don't show my head.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jay Glazer]

I'm telling you, you're my guy. That's it. So you know, and that's Why I am where I am in life. You know, I've never burned anybody. Right.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Jay Glazer]

I don't. I don't go for the scoop. I go for the relationship. Right. And. And our relationship is deep. Like, I coaches son in life now. Right. He's 22 and it's gonna find his way. But my son Sammy, who's been lost a lot, my TE was there for him.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Jay Glazer]

So this is like beyond all this stuff. So it's also great. Like, I'm known as the gatekeeper of my tea. It's pretty good. I'm the only one that talks to you. Right. But that's like. Yeah, I, you know, last year I thought he was going to hang it up. He decided one more. I thought he was going to be done. So until it happens, it happens. But this year, kind of weak.

[Trey Smith]

He.

[Jay Glazer]

I'm like, hey, man, anyway, this is gonna change your mind. Nope.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

Okay. I said, can I report it the last week?

[Host/Interviewer]

Nope.

[Jay Glazer]

He said, but. But in fairness. Damn. He said, I don't think it's fair if my players find out from you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

I think they need to find out from me. Right. Okay. I don't have to have every scoop. I'm good.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

I've done pretty well, right?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

By the way, Spygate you talk about.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

So, man, that was my second week in studio, right. Fox, right? And the last thing Howie and Terry and Jimmy wanted with some new guy taking up airtime, right?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

So it was my second week inside. I used to do games, remember? I would do. Yeah, right. I would do sidelines. Yeah, right. And then I do my scoopage from there, right. And. And they're like, all right, listen, guys, Jay is. Second week. Jay's now gonna have. Normally it's gonna be three segments. We're gonna. We're gonna still the same amount of time, but we're gonna spread them out. But today we're gonna have four. And how long gets up? You guys know how he's a bad.

[Host/Interviewer]

Howie is a. I played with Howie.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah. And he's. You have to keep the beast in the box. Right? And like, how heavy ended one of his teammates careers one time. And the guy talked on this jersey, it was their center. And I think he broke like his collarbone, his eye socket, like, he him up. So we were asking him, we're like, hey, dude, like, what'd this guy do? He's like, he talked to my jersey. And we're like, what else do you do? What are you guys understanding? He talked to my jersey. And we're going, so you broke his eye sockets in collarbone. He's like, do you guys not understand what I'm saying? He talked to my jerk. So Terry goes, well, don't you think the crime maybe didn't fit the punishment?

[Host/Interviewer]

Right?

[Jay Glazer]

And he literally goes, are you guys understand what I'm saying? He talked about Jersey, right?

[Host/Interviewer]

Bothered me.

[Jay Glazer]

Okay, let's move on. Let's move on. He's. He's a sick bastard, right? So he gets up and he goes, wait a minute. You're telling me this kid. And he points at me and. Look at me. Points at me. And he goes, this kid has a Spygate video and you're giving him extra time? And they go, yes, Scott Ackerson. Like, he has the video. He has the actual video?

[Denzel Ward]

Video.

[Jay Glazer]

Yes, this kid has the video. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is terrible. This is horrible. And then Jimmy looks at me and he goes, really? Got the video? I said, yeah. And Bradshaw looks over and he goes, the actual video? I said, yeah. And he goes, he's okay with me. So thank you, my best friend, God almighty in heaven. And everything changed that day for me.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Listen, you've been a huge advocate, very outspoken when it comes to mental health.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

How does it make you feel to see more players be upfront, more boisterous about their mental health issues as opposed to before when everybody was suppressed it and not let it be known because it was frowned upon?

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah. You know what's so funny, man? Because I have. I have. You got to ask yourself, man, how many drugs did my parents do when they conceived me? But I have clinical depression, anxiety, adhd, bipolar, ocd, anxiety, insomnia. Other than that, I'm a model of stability. Right. But. But for years, I thought I was cursed. And you just hit. And honestly, dude, I would go out when I would have. I would say, the beast got out of the box. Right? I would take a bunch of Vicodin, much Adderall, I go hog wild. Let's start fights. And I would rather do that and get canceled than anyone know I have depression or anxiety. How backwards is that? So I used to think I was cursed. Now I think God blessed me with all these so I could free us all, liberate us like no one's question. Listen, you're crazy.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

You're crazy. You can't be great and not be great.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jay Glazer]

Right. And. And. But we as men, we're told you don't say this, right? And look, for me, training all these players in MMA My whole thing is, like, if you were hurting, tired, you will never, ever, ever, ever know. We don't show that. Right. And then I realized, man, I'm the proud, right. I'm permeating what our dad's taught us, our uncles taught us. So I'm like, you need that in football and fighting. Okay. You'll never know. We'll be relentless. And as you think we're getting tough. I am not. You'll never know. But now, guys, off that field, outside of that cave. Yes. Now I want a new unbreakable one that will reopen up. And my relationships have never been better. Like, they've turned this right here, this bracelet right here.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

My most prized possession. Michael Phelps gave it to me where with the promise, basically he wouldn't kill himself. Right. That's a brotherhood, right? Right. Like, this is the baddest of the bad. Right. And that's. It's turned friendships in a brotherhood and a sisterhood, really. I feel like my life, guys beginning that I don't have to be the glaze.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right.

[Jay Glazer]

That character that I created.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right, right.

[Jay Glazer]

You know what I mean? And now I get to be real and. And help people and build people up and learn from them and that. Yeah. And it got me with my beautiful wife over there, I was able to do, like, get the. The help I needed and work on things. And we were together for a little bit and I was up to my old tricks and I sabotage because I didn't feel I was worthy of being loved. So I it all up. She split up with me. I flew back to Arizona. You'll see a guy here today named Mark Kerr.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

Who's a smash machine. Okay. Yeah. I moved back to Arizona to fight with him and Ryan Bader and all my old fight team, Aaron Simpson. Because for me, love was getting punched in the face and getting abused.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Denzel Ward]

Y.

[Jay Glazer]

And now, like, I went and did all this work and now we got back together and got married. I never knew I was able to.

[Host/Interviewer]

Love and receive love.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah. I never felt worthy of it. Yeah. So, like, so, so motivated me to do all these great things from the outside because I couldn't feel love for the inside because I wasn't worthy of it. Yeah. I was a piece of shit. Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Appreciate it. Jake Laser, NFL Insider for Fox.

[Jay Glazer]

Real quick, real quick, real quick. I'm here for kri. Okay. Kelb. So it's an ADHD drug that day.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jay Glazer]

It's a non stimulant. So I used. I got diagnosed with ADHD when I was in 1989, they put me on stimulants. When you have depression.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Denzel Ward]

Right.

[Jay Glazer]

Stimulants are bad. Right. And this is my journey. But, you know, you get those peaks in those valleys.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Jay Glazer]

Valleys are bad. So I found something called Calbury, which is a non stimulant. I take it at night. And when I got 19 roommates in my head talking all once. Now I have two. Yeah, it's really helped me out. Right. So it's called Calgary. So I just want people to know that it's really helped me out a lot.

[Host/Interviewer]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Jay Glazer]

Love you guys. Thank you, man. All right. I'm ready on more.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I'm ready. No, you got to train me. Don't forget.

[Jay Glazer]

Okay.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Okay.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah. You really want to fight James Harrison?

[Co-host/Analyst]

I mean, it's. I'm gonna beat his ass. What are you talking about? Really want to.

[Host/Interviewer]

We good, Jay. We're talking. We're talking about. We have. We're good. We're good. Jake. Lazy. Come on.

[Denzel Ward]

Come on.

[Host/Interviewer]

A form of light heavyweight. A former heavyweight.

[Daniel Cormier]

You better not mess with Kamaru, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dc, I've been trying to tell him. I've been trying.

[Daniel Cormier]

He want to fight everybody.

[Host/Interviewer]

He does. He does. He's just saying that. Daniel Corey, stay away from tomorrow, man.

[Co-host/Analyst]

N. We gonna go on the White House card, me and him.

[Daniel Cormier]

Oh.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dc.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Talk to. Hey, we had Dana on, and Dana's like, I don't know. You know, it might be a possibility that JJ make that. You make that White House card. He. He and Pieta.

[Daniel Cormier]

If he. If. Listen, I think. If he. If Jones decides to go to 205 and fight Pereira, that's the fight. That's the fight.

[Host/Interviewer]

You don't think Pierre can go up at heavyweight? Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, he, too, I think. I got to be honest with y'.

[Jay Glazer]

All.

[Daniel Cormier]

I think Jon Jones is better at 205, right?

[Host/Interviewer]

What?

[Daniel Cormier]

I think he better at 205. Let me tell you why. It takes discipline to get back down.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

So he'd have to be so disciplined in his preparation. That's why he was so good at 205, because he was having to live so clean to make sure he can get down to the weight and do everything the right way. So, yeah, I think him And Pereira at 205 is the fight.

[Host/Interviewer]

You. You think he can get back down there after being down after being a heavy for. For like, four or five years?

[Daniel Cormier]

Hey, me and Jon Jones did a reality show together.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Just recently. And he a big boy.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

But he not. He not. He kind of like, you know when like a tall, skinny dude get a little fat?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's how you look right now.

[Co-host/Analyst]

But would that take away from his skill set?

[Daniel Cormier]

No.

[Co-host/Analyst]

If you're able to get down after being so big. Not so big, but being bigger for so long, does it take away or deteriorate your skill set if you, if you try to fight yourself down to a certain weight class just to fight Chad?

[Daniel Cormier]

I think, I think this dude is such a good fighter.

[Jay Glazer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

That if he can get down to that weight, he gonna be better. Because he's gonna be faster.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

He gonna be in better shape cardio wise.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

The way he looked against Stipe Miotic was crazy. He beat him so bad dog quick too.

[Host/Interviewer]

I mean, I felt bad.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know why Stipe took all like, he waited so long to fight him. How you gonna not fight for two years and come back?

[Host/Interviewer]

You can't fight him your first.

[Daniel Cormier]

You can't after. Not after two years off, right. You're 41 years old. You've been a fireman for two years. John beat him bad, man. Yeah, John beat him bad. And then John, you know what's mad, you know what's messed up about Jon Jones, man? It's crazy, man. You know this brother did what. Steve Miochic is a nice guy, right? But John, him and I have like such a bad history. So he don't have to like search for stuff to make himself mad at me because I'm constantly on his head, right? Stipe Miochic and him, they had a press conference. Jon Jones all of a sudden talk about. And then Stipe said, I'm a bad dad. Stipe looking at him like, I never said that. Stipe looking so surprised, like, I never even said that. But John, in his mind trying to make himself mad at Stipe, right?

[Jay Glazer]

Okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

He want to kick his ass. And so he did. He looking around like, man, I never said nothing about this, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Children, what about this new partnership, UFC and Paramount? Now it's. If you have the app, you can watch, I mean, the streaming service, you can watch it. So now you're going to be in millions and millions of homes. You don't have the pay per view fight. And I think that's a great thing. I think you're going to be to able. Able to reach a larger audience because it's free.

[Daniel Cormier]

Hey, listen, the other day we had the first fight. It's called the numbered event now. They're not pay per views, right. And it was two weeks ago, we had Justin Gaethje versus Patty Pimblet.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

It was one of. It was one of the most watched fights in UFC history.

[Host/Interviewer]

Wow.

[Daniel Cormier]

Because it was in so many homes, you can just download the app. I think it's a big win for the ufc, and I think it puts us in line with so many of the other sports out there in the world. You don't pay to watch NFL games.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nope.

[Daniel Cormier]

You don't pay to watch basketball. Now you don't have to pay that extra money to watch the ufc.

[Host/Interviewer]

Are you surprised at how Gaiy. How good Gaethji looked against Patty?

[Daniel Cormier]

I was. I was not surprised. I was surprised that Patty didn't try to wrestle him more. Right. Patty seemed very, very open to standing.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

With Justin. Justin.

[Host/Interviewer]

And Justin's trying to throw hands.

[Daniel Cormier]

Justin Gaethje, also. You're not beating Max Holloway.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Who?

[Daniel Cormier]

You. You're not beating Max Holloway. You're not lasting three minutes with Max Holloway.

[Jay Glazer]

Chat.

[Denzel Ward]

I'm sorry.

[Host/Interviewer]

What about. What about Kamaru?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Max too small.

[Daniel Cormier]

Max.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Max too small.

[Daniel Cormier]

Hey, listen, you told him, right, Too? You told him, right? You like, hey, man, listen, man. You ain't fighting this dude.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You're not gonna train me.

[Daniel Cormier]

I could train you all I want.

[Host/Interviewer]

But you ain't gonna be tomorrow, Usman.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Man, I'm gonna be.

[Jay Glazer]

Man.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I would stand standing a. I want to stand right there.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm start wrestling with you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, I don't want to wrestle. I want.

[Daniel Cormier]

You will.

[Host/Interviewer]

But guess what? He say he want Francis, too.

[Daniel Cormier]

Francis? You don't want Francis, man. I don't want Francis, man. None of us want Francis, man. Why you can't get no fight?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Listen, now that I think about it, right, with your extensive knowledge of USC and. And where it's going, where it's evolving to, is there a fight that you haven't seen that you would love to see?

[Daniel Cormier]

Now that I have to see that you have to. There's a couple, right? There's a couple fights that I want to see bad. Honestly. I do want to see Pereira at heavyweight. I would like to see Tom Aspinall fight Jon Jones. I think after the last time when Tom Aspinall got poked, he didn't look good, though.

[Host/Interviewer]

And Jon's like, y' all want me to fight that? You know how Johnny is, man. That's what. That's what he's thinking.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, no, he. No, he said it. Because the reality is Tom had this. This aura of invincibility about him. And then when he was fighting against Cyril G. Yes, Cyril was fighting much better than people thought. So John like, yo, man, this dude can't fight me, right? But I think that's a good fight. I think Ilot Tori and Islam Makachev would be the fight that Ilot, the pori is something else, man, throwing them hands.

[Host/Interviewer]

But you, you know, the Russians, they just trying to take you down. They gonna get you down now, they gonna make you tired.

[Daniel Cormier]

He, he put it on Jack Della Madalina, didn't he?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, he did.

[Daniel Cormier]

I couldn't believe how easy he handled him. Yeah, he handled him real good. But Ilot tooria in Islam, cuz that Ilot fight.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's the fight.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's the fight.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because Ilia said, patty, you messed up the biggest payday of your life losing to a 38 year old.

[Daniel Cormier]

Iliad be knocking dudes out too. Yeah, Iliad, but be knocking him out, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

But do you think that'll be a better fight? Because Ilya is not looking to take it to the mat and Patty definitely not looking to take it to the mat. So everybody's just looking to throw Holloway. Is it going to be a situation where they come to the center read like Gates and Holloway and just throw leather?

[Jay Glazer]

Go.

[Daniel Cormier]

Justin Gaethje is my friend. I'mma tell him, don't do that with Ilya Tori, man, you can't do that with him, right? He hit so hard when him and Charles Oliveira were fighting.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

By the time Charles Olivia Oliveira hit the ground, he was already sleeping, man. Ilya hit him two to three times on the way down. So like before he even hit the ground, Illy hit him with the right hand. By the time Charles is like knocked out and falling backwards, Ilya done hit him with an uppercut. He hit him with another right hand. And then some guys, some guys actually, you fall down, they, they do like that. The referee like, hey, man, it's over. Ilya jump on you. He hit you with a couple and.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He don't, he don't care.

[Daniel Cormier]

Let me tell you something, man. When I hit Stipe and he went down, yeah, I couldn't hit him again fast enough. I don't know how these dudes got the, the, the, the, the, the, the discipline to not hit him because you, you in your mind, you're crazy because.

[Host/Interviewer]

You don't want to make, you don't you want to make sure he don't get back up.

[Daniel Cormier]

So I'm Shannon. When that man, when you fighting another man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

And he fall, all you want to do is jump on him. Right, right, right. I jump on him and hit him, hit him.

[Host/Interviewer]

You Hit him.

[Daniel Cormier]

I hit him three times.

[Host/Interviewer]

Damn.

[Daniel Cormier]

By the time the referee got his head done, when his head hit the Met, I said, oh, he done.

[Host/Interviewer]

Is. Is at his absolute best. At his absolute best. Is there anybody in UFC history was a better fighter than Jon Jones?

[Trey Smith]

No.

[Denzel Ward]

No.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Not even.

[Host/Interviewer]

Not St. Pierre.

[Daniel Cormier]

No.

[Host/Interviewer]

Not Anderson.

[Daniel Cormier]

The truth?

[Host/Interviewer]

Not Demetrius.

[Daniel Cormier]

Hey, let me tell you something. I. They. People like to say you be hating on Jon Jones, man. He beat you. I said, listen, man, and I told you this whenever I did your project.

[Host/Interviewer]

You did. You did.

[Daniel Cormier]

I was so good when he beat me that second time that if he beat me that time, I don't think nobody could beat him. He was so plus. He tall. He got long arms.

[Host/Interviewer]

84 inch reach.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep. He got good knees, elbow. We did a. Him and I did that thing together and we were talking about boxing and he was like, if we boxed, it would be much harder fight.

[Jay Glazer]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

He goes. Because I kick Daniel a lot, and I need Daniel a lot. And I think that is why or a thing that people underestimate about him. I don't think in terms of skills, maybe Khabib. Maybe Khabib was as good, but Conor McGregor was real good. Whenever he was, like, on this game.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Will he ever fight again, you think, Connor?

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know what?

[Host/Interviewer]

You tell them what you told me on the thing. When somebody make 200, $300 million, made.

[Daniel Cormier]

All that money, it's hard to get up. It's hard to get up.

[Denzel Ward]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Way back in the day, right? He said, man, you sleeping on silk sheets, you gotta get up and run six, seven miles every morning. Here's the thing about Conor, though. I always want to ask somebody, like, from not within the. The ufc, like, right. Do y' all think y' all gonna watch him? Because you. You have seen athletes.

[Jay Glazer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

So many. Now, obviously, Conor has started to live the gimmick a little bit. Right? Right. He lives like Ric Flair said he was living the gimmick.

[Jay Glazer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Conor's living the gimmick a little bit. Do y' all think Connor gonna fight again? Do you think he can pull himself away from all that lifestyle?

[Host/Interviewer]

No.

[Daniel Cormier]

The yachts, the party and all that stuff. And get in camp.

[Co-host/Analyst]

D.C. he's still a draw.

[Host/Interviewer]

He's a draw.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He's still a draw.

[Daniel Cormier]

He's a massive draw.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He can fill out any arena, wherever he goes.

[Host/Interviewer]

But he hasn't looked good in a. When's the last time he looked good, Aldo?

[Daniel Cormier]

No, when he yelled when he showed.

[Co-host/Analyst]

D.C. even though he hasn't looked good, he's Still a draw. He's still going to tune in and watch.

[Daniel Cormier]

But let me ask you what he wins or loses. Let me ask you this, though. He's selling so many.

[Jay Glazer]

He.

[Daniel Cormier]

He said it the other day, he goes, my business is pay per view. Because when Khabibi sold three and a half million pay per view, Right. Do you listen, Jon? I was on a pay per view, me and Brock Leslie, and we sold 1.2 million buys. Yeah, I know what that check looks like. Him and Khabib did three times that in terms of just pay per view.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

What's the number that you can get Conor McGregor in the cage? Right? What you got to pay him now that he cannot sell pay per view.

[Host/Interviewer]

To get him to fight because he's already got 300, 400 million in his bank account.

[Daniel Cormier]

He sold that liquor. Yeah, he did.

[Jay Glazer]

He.

[Daniel Cormier]

But, but, but do you think he can get in the camp? Because you're right, he is a draw. I just told y' all at the start of this, right, we had one of the biggest fights that we ever had in UFC history.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Kind of fights is going to double that.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

No, I don't think you can get it back in the. I don't think.

[Daniel Cormier]

You don't think he back?

[Host/Interviewer]

Nope.

[Daniel Cormier]

Why?

[Host/Interviewer]

Because he got that much money in the train. Like, you'd have to train to be able to do it, but they got.

[Daniel Cormier]

Certain fighters to give him.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Didn't Tyson Fury say, I'm retiring?

[Daniel Cormier]

Tyson Fury retired three times.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Three times. What made me come out of retirement?

[Daniel Cormier]

Dc, I don't know why Tyson Fury keep fighting.

[Host/Interviewer]

But. But you ufc. But ufc. UFC is different than. Than boxing. Boxing. I ain't got to worry about nothing but these.

[Stugots]

Yep.

[Host/Interviewer]

In the ufc, I got to worry about these. These, this. Guillotine choke, rear naked choke, triangle choke, arm bar.

[Daniel Cormier]

You're right.

[Host/Interviewer]

I got too many things to worry about. These.

[Daniel Cormier]

You're right, you're right.

[Host/Interviewer]

And when you've made that kind of money.

[Jay Glazer]

Yes.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh. So you and I, we talk about it all the time. The Peyton Mannings and the Tom Brady's and the guy that's made hundreds of million dollars to steal, but all they doing is throwing the football. Ain't nobody needing to just imagine if they didn't have no offensive line. And now you got to come out there, nobody protecting.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

When you go. When you go into the Octagon, like I always say, hey. They say, man, are you nervous about this tv? And I'm like, bro, I fought in front of millions of people in My underwear?

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

You got some shorts on gloves, Right. Nothing makes me nervous anymore. But to do that as a very, very rich man and get hit and get kneed and elbow. What if you get cut? You start going, God damn, I don't really need to do this no more.

[Host/Interviewer]

I beg you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

And as you get older, it gets harder to train. You don't recover as quick you like when you could just pop out of bed when you're in your 20s, you're like, oh, let's go do it again. I'm not sore. You start getting your late 30s.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Nah, I take the day off.

[Daniel Cormier]

Hey, hey. You start. And again. He hasn't fought in like four and a half years. Because he broke his leg last time.

[Nav Green]

Yes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, he did.

[Daniel Cormier]

He broke his leg.

[Host/Interviewer]

And you know when you take that kind of layoff and, and, and, and when Muhammad Ali missed, basically missed three years, and that was because of the Vietnam War, he. He was never the same.

[Daniel Cormier]

He was never the same guy. He was never the same in his primary. He was still young when he came back. He was still young when he came.

[Host/Interviewer]

Back, but he was never the same. There's nothing like fighting when you fight.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Nope.

[Host/Interviewer]

There's nothing like. Oo we talk about this. Oh, training. Oh, oh, offseason conditioning. You get in shape by playing football.

[Trey Smith]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

You do become a better fighter by fighting.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

All that spark. And then you took time off and he's not a. Conor's not a guy. Oh, he taking time off and he.

[Daniel Cormier]

In the every day.

[Host/Interviewer]

No, he's not. He's on a yacht with his shirt off.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep. Yeah, he is.

[Host/Interviewer]

With 30 baddies.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah. That's the truth.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah, that's the truth.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's the absolute truth, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

This game. We know. I know you love football.

[Daniel Cormier]

Who you got?

[Host/Interviewer]

You got Patriots or Seahawks?

[Daniel Cormier]

Seahawks.

[Host/Interviewer]

What you like about the Seahawks?

[Daniel Cormier]

Defense.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I knew it.

[Jay Glazer]

I knew it.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, man, I tell you, man, they would be. Hey, let me tell you something. That's a damn shame. Where they be doing 49ers, huh? Two times back to back. Hey, man, we. I was at a wrestling tournament. Yeah, we in. We in Los Angeles. We get done, we go watch the game. I got some of the cuz. I live in the Bay.

[Jay Glazer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

So they love. They fake Faithful to the Bay. They, you know, they put that on their shirts. I said, man, that's cute, man. That's real cute. Faithful to the Bay. They said, we going to win tonight. They said, because coach is the type of guy.

[Host/Interviewer]

Shanahan.

[Daniel Cormier]

The type of type of guy that in that last game of the season, he don't show that much. He held some stuff back.

[Host/Interviewer]

No, he did.

[Daniel Cormier]

He. He not. We want to give him everything because it's easier if we don't get home. Home field advantage. We still can go get him in Seattle, right? I said, man, y' all tripping if you believe that. Yeah, man, they went up there to Lumen Field. Seattle. Don't put it on them.

[Denzel Ward]

Bad.

[Host/Interviewer]

They did.

[Daniel Cormier]

It was bad.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

And I'm watching that. And I'm watching that. And then I watched New England in Denver. Now, the game was a good game, right? But you struggling to put up points against Denver. How you gonna put points up against Seattle? I'm sorry, man. I ain't trying to disrespect. I ain't trying to disrespect for Denver.

[Host/Interviewer]

We needed that quarterback.

[Daniel Cormier]

Y' all needed y' all quarterback. The fact that y' all played that good without the quarterback is the defense.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Defense would be good. But, boy, I heard you talk about the fight that was just in Australia. Both.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Host/Interviewer]

Are you surprised that he's still fighting at that level at that age?

[Daniel Cormier]

Dude, they keep talking about retirement, man, and then he just. He. Diego Lopez is dangerous.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

He. He beat him worse than he did the first time. He's so smart, dude. And, you know, hey, I swear to God. Have you ever. Have you met him? Have you guys met him?

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, I haven't met him.

[Denzel Ward]

No.

[Daniel Cormier]

Man, he's so small. He's so short. He might be five, six.

[Host/Interviewer]

Is he small? He's smaller than. Than Mighty Mouse.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, no, no.

[Host/Interviewer]

How was. How was Mighty Mouse so that good?

[Daniel Cormier]

He the best, bro.

[Host/Interviewer]

How much Mighty Mouse weigh?

[Daniel Cormier]

He fought at 125, but guess what, D. Shannon, he was the. He one time was behind the dude. He got the dude with his hands locked behind him. Demetrius Johnson threw the guy in the air like he threw him up in the air. He releases him when the guy starts falling because gravity takes hold.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

He puts him in the arm bar. He called it. And then he said that I called that the mouse trap. He said, I call that the mousetrap. I said, man, did you make that up? He said, I made that up. He threw him in the air. By the time the dude done hit the ground, Demetrius got him in the arm bar. He tapped him. He was the. He was good, man. That brother was good.

[Host/Interviewer]

Are you surprised? Because I remember and people don't remember they used to have the U. The way they used to fight they didn't have weight classes. And you fought and you kept fighting and you fight. You know, you fight. You might fight three, four times in a night. And the last man standing. One. Yep, yep, yep. When they had Horse Gracie.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

They had Ken Shamrock. Yep, yep. They had the big heavy hitter, Dan, to be sever.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep, yep, yep. You've been watching this, huh?

[Host/Interviewer]

The first fight. The first two fights were in Denver. I saw him, and so I was like, I don't know if that's fair. This little ass. Because I remember when Horse Gracie came out there, I was like, this, man, this big old dude about to tear this little dude up.

[Daniel Cormier]

Submissions, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

He got. He. I said, why you laying down? He better get his little ass up. I'm looking at it. I was like, he better get up for that. They make him, and I don't. But he did something. And the next day, you know, the.

[Daniel Cormier]

Dude was like, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Did you think UFC would ever get to what it got?

[Daniel Cormier]

No.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because I asked Dana, Dana's like, no. Dana said, we just bought. We bought UFC logo and some gear. $2 million.

[Daniel Cormier]

$2 million.

[Host/Interviewer]

And now it's worth, what, 7, 8 billion?

[Daniel Cormier]

7, 8 billion.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

But. But that's the thing, right? Credit to the Fertitta brothers, Dana, for having the vision of what this thing could have been. Because at its core, right, we all love fighting.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right. If you're on the football field, if you're on the basketball court, if you're on a playground anywhere, the moment people start fighting, what do we all do?

[Host/Interviewer]

Circle around.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right? So having the vision to recognize that fighting is something that everybody wants to enjoy.

[Host/Interviewer]

And the universal. Everybody knows.

[Daniel Cormier]

Universal.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Everybody thinks they can fight.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

So let's figure out a way to make people tap into it. And that's exactly what they did. It's.

[Jay Glazer]

It's.

[Daniel Cormier]

Dude. This sport. I was a world champion for five years.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes, sir.

[Daniel Cormier]

I am more recognizable today.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Because I talk about the UFC than I was even when I was playing the game. It's crazy.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

And I think the thing is, what they did is that everybody thinks their discipline is the best. So we're going to see what a karate guy could do against a Jiu Jitsu guy, what he could do against a judo guy, or he could do against a Sambo guy.

[Daniel Cormier]

Especially at the start. Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's what it was about.

[Daniel Cormier]

But today, I think that question has been answered. It's the wrestler.

[Host/Interviewer]

It's the wrestler.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's the wrestler.

[Host/Interviewer]

He better than the Jiu Jitsu.

[Daniel Cormier]

The wrestler's the guy. Cuz the wrestler, the wrestler determines where the fight takes place.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

If you got the jiu jitsu guy, you don't let him take you down and you beat him in the standup. If you got the standup guy, you take him down, then you beat him on the ground. It's the wrestler, see, the wrestler's the guy.

[Co-host/Analyst]

That's what makes me so special. That's what makes me so special. Because I'm a wrestler. I'm a two time state championship champion.

[Nav Green]

What are you talking about?

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't wrestle in what, 115 pounds.

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, 205 in high school.

[Host/Interviewer]

Boy, them 205 was pull your ass. You like Mighty Mouse through that guy.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Two time state champion in wrestling. And then my st. My. I can stand up and go with the best of them.

[Daniel Cormier]

You from Florida, aren't you?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, I'm from Liberty City.

[Host/Interviewer]

They don't do those wrestling.

[Daniel Cormier]

But you, you a two time state champion. Yeah, I got some friends in Florida, man. I'm. I'm a. Fact check that.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Fact check it. Tell the chat to fact check it.

[Jay Glazer]

You.

[Host/Interviewer]

You might like. I'm thinking more like the Midwest is where the wrestler. Yeah, Midwest, Ohio, stuff like that. Oklahoma State, Iowa.

[Daniel Cormier]

Iowa, Oklahoma. I went to Oklahoma State.

[Host/Interviewer]

Pennsylvania.

[Daniel Cormier]

Pennsylvania. They got the best high school wrestling in the country. Yeah, they be beating us, man. We got coaching. California, man, we beat the Pennsylvania kids. Beginning.

[Host/Interviewer]

We gotta. California, y' all gotta stick the football and the track and field running. Them. Them country. Boy, when the weather get cold.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep, yeah, yep. You go inside, start wrestling.

[Host/Interviewer]

So when you get your season, like I. With stuff like that, where it gets cold and those guys see when the weather's warm. So you can run all you can, you know, track and field, you can train all around. Football, you can train all around. That's why the warm weather states do better in football, football, track and field.

[Daniel Cormier]

But baseball.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yep. That's why you going to the game.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm not. So my son, My son has a wrestling tournament.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

And we're going to the east, we're going to Virginia. So I'm going to change the weather for my son to wrestle, man, it's cold too.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Like it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Is that what he wants to do? He wants to fall in dance.

[Daniel Cormier]

He like football, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

He like football.

[Daniel Cormier]

That dude is aching. Play some football. He hit now, Shannon. He can tackle now.

[Host/Interviewer]

He tackle.

[Daniel Cormier]

He been wrestling his whole life.

[Host/Interviewer]

He a linebacker, right?

[Daniel Cormier]

He weigh 173 pounds. He in eighth grade and he got to be almost as Tall as me already. He mean to.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I like.

[Daniel Cormier]

Like the tackle.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I like it.

[Host/Interviewer]

So what is it going to go? You. You want him to do both. You wanted to rest.

[Daniel Cormier]

I want him to do both. I think it's important to do both. I. I don't think that you should. I. I think that in most sports today, kids specialize.

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't.

[Daniel Cormier]

I. I think you gotta enjoy your life, man.

[Jay Glazer]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Plus, if it helps with other things.

[Daniel Cormier]

It helps with everything in life.

[Co-host/Analyst]

It does.

[Daniel Cormier]

He specialize in one sport.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Are you one of those parents that. That pushes and pushes and pushes and pushes. You, you gotta do this, you gotta do that, or you just let him, whatever he decides to do, you okay with it? I'll support you.

[Daniel Cormier]

I haven't pushed him that much. I haven't pushed him that much, and I think I could have pushed him more. Right, right. Because when you wrestle or you fight and your dad is me, it's kind of hard, right? Because I've heard kids going, I'll beat DC's son. And I'm like, I don't want them to like him. Have comparison.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, come on, man.

[Daniel Cormier]

Like, you didn't beat me, right. You beat my son.

[Host/Interviewer]

But that's his claim to fame.

[Daniel Cormier]

But that's that they claim the fit, right. So I kind of didn't push him all that much.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

But now it's like, I'm doing a little bit more like. So he's in his gap year this year.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Daniel Cormier]

We're like. So he was in. He's in eighth grade, but he's doing like a. It's almost like a gray shirt year where he takes another eighth grade year before he goes into high school.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

So now he gets up in the morning, he lifts his weights, right? Then he goes and he does his. He does pads. I got him doing boxing, right? Then he goes to school, and then he might wrestle a little bit. Then he goes home and he sleeps.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

And I just do this. Gained probably 20 pounds because you grow when you sleep, right? So during the day, this dude's sleeping. He's, like, so disciplined now. I'm so proud of that kid, man. He's doing a good job.

[Host/Interviewer]

How much bigger you think he's gonna get?

[Daniel Cormier]

I bet. I Bet he'll be 210, £215 when he's a senior. Maybe 220. I think he'll get big. 6, 1, 6, 2. I'm the shortest guy in my family.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

So probably 6, 1, 6, 2. 215, 220. When he graduates high school.

[Host/Interviewer]

You. You did play some football?

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Host/Interviewer]

Do you wish you had stuck with football?

[Daniel Cormier]

No. Let me tell you something, man. Let me tell you something. Were y' all on good football teams in high school?

[Host/Interviewer]

We were decent.

[Co-host/Analyst]

We were decent.

[Jay Glazer]

We were.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

So did you have people, you know, growing up in the South?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right. Everybody think they go into the NFL, man.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, for sure.

[Daniel Cormier]

Everybody, Everybody think they go in the NFL. So if a dude is like all state honorable mention, he, like, the greatest thing in the world.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

But he don't want to take no responsibility. He don't want to lead. And so I was on teams where we had, like, a couple good dudes and they, but they were, like, very, like, cancerous.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

The only team that was good was the year I was a senior.

[Jay Glazer]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

You guys know the Cupid Shuffle?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Daniel Cormier]

We went to high school together. That's one of my boys.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

So we were like the leaders of the team, and we were a good team.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

But before that, it was bad. So by the time I was done with football, I was like, man, I'm on the wrestling mat. And I, I, I done made the United States world team for 16 year olds, right? So I'm traveling the world, wrestling going, I know that if I do what I'm supposed to do, I'm winning state championships, I'm wrestling in world championships, but on the football field, I can't take all these guys with me.

[Host/Interviewer]

Me, right?

[Daniel Cormier]

So I was like, I'm, I'm always going to wrestle first.

[Jay Glazer]

Okay?

[Host/Interviewer]

Dc, you the man, boy.

[Daniel Cormier]

Thank y' all for having us, man. I appreciate y'.

[Denzel Ward]

All.

[Daniel Cormier]

I love y' all chemistry, boys.

[Host/Interviewer]

Appreciate you, D.C. daniel. D.C. cormier, one of the great MMA mixed martial artists of all time.