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Best of LeBron Part 1: LeBron FIRES back at Stephen A. + Bronny James first NBA Bucket!
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Shannon Sharpe
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Adrian Peterson
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Greg Rosenthal
Who are the 25 greatest football players to grace the gridiron since the year 2000? Introducing episode NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and an all star cast of media personalities including Mina Kimes, Steve Wych, Kevin Harlan and more. For a look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever. Get your podcast.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hello, it's your favorite sports un here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're going to make OO cry. But back to this. LeBron and Pat McAfee. Like you said, OO we're not used to seeing LeBron James sit down for an extended period of time. Normally, like when he's in the finals or he's in the playoffs, he would sit down. That's like five, that's like 10 minutes.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
And it's always basketball related too, huh? It's always basketball related. He's, he's literally talking about other stuff going on in life. He's being vulnerable, letting people in, something he's never, never ever done before. Players like that, of his magnitude, of his status that allows the world and the public to see what he wants you to, to actually sit down for a change. I guarantee you, if they were to do the numbers on how many people watch that, that Pat McAfee show, I bet it's astronomical, crazy. Because it's something he's never done.
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Shannon Sharpe
Right. And you know, in the end to see, like you said, to see him. But that just lets you know that he it. For me, looking at him, considering that he had ever, ever done anything like this before, think about how many people have criticized him. Yeah. And he's never, ever done it before. So that lets you know he had gotten to a place that he's like, I've had it up to here. Yeah. And I don't know if he knew. I don't think he knew Stephen A. Was going to come to the game, but he had it in his mind if he ever saw Stephen A, he was going to step to it.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
But he got Stephen a number. He got a text to call him if there was an issue. You get a text to call him. They communicate with each other. Obviously. They have some. Some. Some. Some sort of relationship.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, they don't.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
You don't think so?
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Shannon Sharpe
No.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Okay, well, my bad.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, but like you said, I mean.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
What do you mean? No, they don't now, as opposed to.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, I don't. I don't think they've ever had a relationship where they pick up the phone and they talk to each other like that. I don't think they've ever had that type of relationship. Do I think they've been cordial to each other? I remember. I think I saw something on an old clip, maybe it was YouTube, where Stephen had actually sat down and he interviewed LeBron. But I don't think they're in a situation where they, like, picked up the phone. They have each other. They can call each other like that. I don't. I don't know if any LeBron is maybe teammates, and it could. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I could be totally wrong. But I don't know if LeBron has his number or he has LeBron's number. LeBron is, you know, very, very, very. LeBron rocked with, who he rocked with. And I think once you get to this level, if you hadn't. If you haven't developed a friend by now, LeBron James ain't letting you in his circle. Right? It's really that simple. So he got. He got his friends. You know, Rich is his agent. Maverick is his step chief of staff. Mav is one of his business partners. I'm trying to think who else he.
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Steve Smith
He.
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Shannon Sharpe
He rock. Chris Paul. He's very close to Chris Paul. I think he's the grand, grand godfather to run a CP3 that I think, if vice versa, same thing with CP, right. But other than that, I don't think LeBron has a whole. A whole lot of what we call. I look at those guys like I look at Bucket, like, I look at Bucket and Burns.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Right?
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Shannon Sharpe
He ain't got a whole lot of Bucket and Burns in his life. You ain't got a whole lot of, you know, tj, Your boy. You rock with tj. To you, you ain't got a whole lot of them.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah. Nah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And I look at LeBron, and I think LeBron is kind of like that. But hopefully Hopeful. Hopefully. Hopefully everybody's made their point. Yeah, LeBron was upset. What he said, Stephen, they said that. What I was trying to say. Sometimes things get lost in translation. It is what it is. But at the end of the day, I think we've got a. We've got a lot of juice. I think both have kind of squeezed that orange ojo.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And got a lot of juice out of. And then LeBron took a aim at Wendy. Brian Windhorst said, this guy says he's my best effing friend. These guys are just weird. I don't know if Wendy's ever said. I think Wendy went to the same school he went to, Ocho.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
I don't think.
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't think when. I've never heard. And I could be wrong, guys. Hell, I was on. I was on Undisputed for seven years. I didn't hear everything Wendy said. As a matter of fact, I didn't watch anything on anywhere. All I watched was the games that were on espn. I don't watch any other debate shows. I don't watch any other shows that do what I do when I'm gonna be talking about something, because I don't want what they say to creep in, what I'm going to say. So I don't watch it. So, Wendy, Chad, if he said that he was LeBron's best friend, I apologize, but I don't recall. And if I misspeak, I apologize to you guys, but I don't believe Wendy has said that he's LeBron best friend. I think because he's covered LeBron for so long, and I think they went to the same school, St. Vincent St. Mary, he says. I think he said, I might probably know him better than anyone else, but I don't get why. I mean, he would say that about Wendy, man.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
You never know. I think. I think, like. Like I said, LeBron is probably. LeBron is fed up. He's. He's. He's on. I'm not saying he's on the way out the door, but he's on the tail end of everything. And now he's opening up a little bit more, doing things out of character that he normally wouldn't do, which is giving the people what they want, letting us in, you know, given. Given us a glimpse of what's inside the world in mind of LeBron King James. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I hope he does more of it. I hope other athletes do more of it. You know what I wish LeBron. I wish LeBron was like, Jeff T. Have you ever heard. Have you ever sat and listened.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes. Tell stories. Yeah.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
LeBron would. It would be. It would be an honor for him to take a page out of Jeff Teague's book and be that bone. Open, open. And just. Just. Just give it. Just give it to stories. I. I would love that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. LeBron talked about his relationship with MJ. While he still has immense respect for Jordan, the pair don't talk much these days. I think that would change when he retires from NBA, saying Jordan intense competitive spirit is why the two don't talk much. Now, we. We all know mj, even if you don't know him personally, he's one of the most ruthless competitors there is. And until I'm done and he doesn't have to look at me run up and down that court wearing the 23, every time my name is mentioned, it's mentioned with his. He's like, I don't want to effing talk to you. Do you agree, Ocho?
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
I mean, that. That's dope. That's dope. Listen, that's the competitor. The competitive nature in mj, I think it's understandable, especially when it comes to him. I think he's. He's not closed off. But MJ and Kobe are alike in a sense. MJ and Kobe are alike in a sense. I think their relationship will be much better and a lot closer once LeBron is done playing. Yeah, they go play together, go play golf together, smoke cigars, you know, have a little. Have a little wine, whatever it is that they do. But right now, while LeBron is actively playing, I don't think him and MJ, just. Outside of playing the game of basketball and being successful businessmen, there's not much for them to talk about right now.
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Shannon Sharpe
The only friend I know Jordan got is oak. I mean. Oh, oak is this guy. Now, I've been around Jordan a little bit, and he is ultra, ultra competitive. First thing I bet. I mean, I want. Hey, you want to play cards? No, I don't want to play cards because, you know, Jordan games, you got to come there with at least 100. 100. 100 grand. 200 grand in cash.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Oh, yeah. He don't play. He do not.
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Steve Smith
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
I was like, no. I said, bro, you're not gonna have me. You're not gonna have me living on the streets. I love my house. It ain't yours, but I ain't trying to keep up with you. No, no, I. I don't. I don't play no 5,000 or $50,000 a hand? Hell, no. No, bro, bro, guess what? As long as they make shoes with that logo you got, I ain't in the NFL no more. I ain't got no more money coming in. You know, I was 35 then. I could draw my pigeon at 62. So I got five. Another five years before I could get that Ocho before I take a penalty. Hell, no. I ain't gambling with you. As a matter of fact, I'm. I'm mad you asked me that. You know damn well I ain't got no money. No, I'm like, I'm gonna let you, and I'll let you. Oh. Because I think they play guts. It's kind of like Blu Ray, right? You ever played Blu Ray?
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
No, sir. No, sir.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, sir. Or in between, but nah. Hell nah. He also LeBron talked about Giannis on PMAC. You trying to tell me Giannis wouldn't be able to play in the NBA games in 70s? Giannis would have had 250 points in a game in the 70s. But let me ask you. See, you transporting Giannis today back then, right? Do y' all really know what they did? Did y' all see those fights? How many people got to go down the lane? See the stuff that they called? They called file. Now, that wasn't no foul. There was nobody getting suspended for slapping the ish out of somebody. There was no. I mean, there was no. I mean, what, did Carl Malone put 44 stitches in Isaiah Head? You still think you want to come down the lane?
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Do y' all remember the. The finals in 84 when Larry. When Larry Bird with. Who was that? Kevin McHale snatched Kurt Ramba's ass out the sky?
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah. Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And it wasn't a flagrant. It wasn't nothing if nobody was suspended. You can't take the modern play because, Ocho, you talk about technology and you talk about the modernization. Yes. If you transport Giannis today and put him back then looking now. Yes. What player couldn't. What player. If I take Ocho, if I take you today, you know what you know, and the technology that you've been able to develop and put you back in the 70s, man, Ocho will kill it. Yes. Yeah.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Modernization. That's unfair.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah. I think from.
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Shannon Sharpe
It's just like it's unfair. One more thing, Ocho. Just like it's unfair to say, oh, man, Jordan played today. He averaged 50. How about this? Let's leave everybody in the era in which they played, Giannis plays in the 2 to 2000 and tens and 2000s. LeBron has been in the 2000s, the 2010s, and now the 2000s. Let's leave everybody that. Because it's unfair. Yeah, it's unfair. Look, I get it and it's. It's a conversation, but come on. Because we're robbed. We're not. We're not being fair to the guys that played in that era. That was great.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Right?
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Shannon Sharpe
Because it's almost like if you talk about these guys, like you're trying to minimize them. And I get mad at the old guys for trying to minimize the current players. Guys, you were great. Nobody's trying to rob you of that. You were great. These guys are great. The guys in the 60s that were great. The guys in the 70s were great. Guys in the 80s. Right, but it's unfair, Ocho.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah, I mean, I mean, listen, I understand what LeBron was saying. Obviously, he is exaggerated a little bit, but if you look at the players from back then, I know just being honest, from a technical standpoint, from a physical standpoint, I know what they did in between the lane and being physical and, you know, slapping and punching, all that. But you're thinking about Giannis and Giannis today. Oh, my goodness. The athletic ability.
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Shannon Sharpe
It's called technology, Ocho. You got an opportunity to work on things. Guys didn't have modern medicine, they didn't have technology. Think about when you ruptured Achilles. You were done. You tore a knee. You were done. You had that big ass, bulky knee brace, that big dun joy on. It's different now. We got modern medicine. We know how to eat, we know how to train. We have personal trainers and physio. Those guys in the 60s and 70s and 80s didn't have the money to have all of this stuff, right? LeBron, when you making $50 million in basketball and another 75, $80 million off the court, you can have a chef that prepares every meal to your specifications. You can have a physio, you can have a Mike Macias as LeBron. As. Excuse me, as Jordan had Tim Grover. Tim and I. Good. Tim and I, we still. We text a lot now, but it's different. It's not fair that you try to compare this era to that era or that era to this era.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
You right? You right.
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Greg Rosenthal
25 years, 25 players before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know, Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes?
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Shannon Sharpe
Kansas City.
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Greg Rosenthal
He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson?
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Shannon Sharpe
Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dart back and forth.
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Steve Smith
Oh, he broke his ankles and he's got a touchdown.
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Shannon Sharpe
He is Houdini.
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Greg Rosenthal
You are going to have to listen to find out. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeartrade radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Shannon Sharpe
The Cavaliers blow out the Lakers 134 to 110. And Bronnie James scored this first NBA point and his dad watches from the bench. Jared Allen scored 20 points, had 17 rebounds. Evan Mobley had 245 points and Donovan Mitchell had 24 points. The Lakers were led by LeBron James who played only 29 minutes because the game got out of hand. Anthony Davis continued his great play, having 22 points and 13 rebounds. The Lakers were unable to cut the Cleveland lead after falling behind by 23 in the first half in the final minutes. Bronny grew up in this arena. He made a 14 foot jumper with 2 minutes and 3 seconds to play for his first NBA points. He's only a little over 40,000 from catching his dad swish when you watch this game. And considering how well the Lakers had played, even though they lost the other night, I think it was last night. I think last night they lost by four to Phoenix, but they won the previous three. When you look at them the first three games last night and tonight, what didn't you like about what you saw from the Lakers?
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Steve Smith
I mean, for me, it's a lot about ball movement. You know, for one, I mean, Bron is what, 40? About 41?
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Shannon Sharpe
He about to be 40? Yeah, 84. So no, he'll be 40 on December 30th.
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Steve Smith
Yeah. Yeah. So for me it's like at the end of the day, like seeing him lead, the charge is concerning and it's alarming because obviously, you know, you need a, you need an extra guy. You need an extra guy or two. But to be be doing it at his age is, it's incredible. But at the same time, he shouldn't have to be carrying a load like that. And for me, what's alarming at that is when you look at the guys who've been working out all season long, all off season long, been in the gym, is like, this is the time, especially earlier on in the season, this is the time where you, you know, you start displaying. So further on down the line, down the road, middle of the year, end of the year, they like, okay, we can trust this guy. This is, this is where he's been, you know, this is where he's been. Excellent. For me, being, being in those situations, I don't see that from their role players, the guys they brought back, like, where are you getting better at? Like, what part of the game are you evolving to where, okay, we was lacking this part this last year. I'm gonna be a knockdown shooter. I'm gonna be a lockdown defender. I'm gonna be somebody who getting in the pick and roll and you know, it makes plays. I don't see that from, from this team so far. So that, for me, that's the most alarming part about it. But it is still early.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I'm watching them into the turnovers. When you look at it, AD had the most shot. He had 19. He was 9 of 17. Rui was 4 of 6, LeBron was 9 of 13. Dlo was 2 or 7 and Austin Reeves was 2 or 6. Now that's 2 of 6 and 2 of 7 is not great percentage. But they only got six shots. Swish. They only got seven shots. AD only had 19 because you had 20 turnovers. So now you don't even give yourself an opportunity to get into an offense. You don't even give yourself an opportunity to knock down shots, to get into the pick and roll or to, you know what I'm saying, To run the dribble drive, to drum a dribble handoff. So when you turn the ball over, you give them easy buckets on the other end. And so now they shooting 58% from the floor. They shoot 42% from the three. Well, if you allow a team to shoot 58% from the floor, Swish. You know this. You allow team to shoot 42% from the three, you losing that game and you're probably going to lose it by a lot.
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Steve Smith
Yeah, I was about to say, you're going to get smoked. You ain't going to lose. You won't get. It's going to be embarrassing.
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Shannon Sharpe
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Steve Smith
Well, for me, it's like, you know, obviously a guy like Austin Reaves some nights you're going to have off nights and stuff like that. But you got to figure out a way for him to get more than six to eight shots. Like, if he's going to be that one of those, the third guy to Brian AD he's got to figure out a way to get eight more, at least 10 to 12 shots. D' Angelo Russell. 10 to 12 shots. I mean, 24 minutes, five assists at the point guard with the players you playing with. No disrespect to dlo, but I'm a need more out of that. And on the top of. On top of that, you're not. You're not my primary defender on the ball, so you got to give me something. So for me, it's a lot of that. And on top of that, and when I sit here and look at it, they had 37 assists to their 21. You ain't gonna win many games like that.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
You know what? I got a question. You talk about some of the players that need to take more shots. How do you know when it's okay to take those shots? Do you have the green light from the head coach? Do you have the green light from the other players to override passing the ball and b. Have the willingness to shoot.
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Steve Smith
How much he make.
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Shannon Sharpe
About D lo make about what? About 17 to 21?
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Steve Smith
Nothing about shots, but you talking about.
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Just let it go. You can shoot that wheel based on.
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Steve Smith
Your salary, a hundred percent. What are they gonna say?
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
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Steve Smith
What they gonna say when, hey, look, when they ain't throw you the ball, you it was by yourself. Or you're just man on man. What you was looking. Hey, bro, ain't no man over the top.
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Shannon Sharpe
Ain't nobody over the top. Give me the ball.
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Steve Smith
This is the prime time. So for me, when I look at it, honestly, like, when I look at guys like DLO Reeves and you go in that third, fourth option.
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Shannon Sharpe
Rui.
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Steve Smith
Rui you. I mean, Rui for. For sure. I think Rui is a lot. He's. He's underrated for me, because what he does is disguised by how good LeBron is. Because when you look at his size, he can guard all positions, he can shoot the ball, he can put the ball on the floor, create a play. He can def. Obviously rebound. Like, he's. He's. He's in a tough situation because he's playing with a guy like LeBron. So that's the same thing. Like, kind of like Jeff Green fell in that era with us when he was a Cleveland. He's in the same similar situation. So Braun is going to. They're going to cater to Brian when he's on the floor. So it doesn't really do him justice when they play him together.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. You know, AD and LeBron is going to get the little bulk of the shots. You know that. Now let's. What are you guys are feeling it. We saw early in the season, Austin Reed's feeling it, so he's gonna get 15 to 18 shots. Dlo, he gets hot one night. Okay. Now, that might creep up to 20 shots in a given night, but, you know, LeBron and AD are going to get the bulk of the shots. But I think a lot of this had to do with. Because they were getting blowed out. Swish. They only played 28, 24, 29, 31 minutes. It's hard to get those kind of shots in that small amount of time. Now, if they play their normal minutes, maybe they can get up a few more shots. But when you turn the ball over, everybody's shots are coming down because you don't even get an opportunity to put the ball up because you've turned it over. And as you mentioned, they had 37 assists. So that's telling me. Great ball movement. It's also telling me y' all turn the ball over. They get some cheap assists off of that.
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Steve Smith
Oh, 100%. And you look at the rebounds. 37, 36. The Lakers actually win the rebound game, and they still get smoked. So for me, obviously, it's the turn. It's turnovers for sure. Because I was a big fan of. Especially in transition, people Hate to transition. Three early threes. I'm taking an early good look opposed to me swinging around the horn and we turn this joint over. And now I got to turn into track star going on the other end. I'm gonna put this up. I feel like I got a better percentage of making this opposed to us turning the ball over, and then we gotta get a stop on the other side.
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Shannon Sharpe
What about a situation like this wish where guys are trying early on, trying to say, I'm so unselfish, and you overpass the ball and you end up turning it over like you said, you're like, okay, I got a good look in transition. I'm gonna let it rip. As opposed to, oh, hot potato, hot potato. Next thing you know, the ball's going out of bounds. You like, come on, man. Go ahead and take that shot.
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Steve Smith
Yeah, you know, it's tough when you come into situations. Like, when I first got to Cleveland, we used to run into that a lot. Cause we got Kyrie at the point, me at the two. We got Brian, Caleb, and obviously, Tristan setting the screens, and Rose and Mozzie. But we look around the horn, it's like we got like, listen, I got a good shot, but he got a great shot, so let me kick it to him. And, you know, guys just operating so fast. You want to be unselfish, but at the same time, it's like, if I don't take this shot, that he's not going to be open when we need it to be open. So for me, a lot of those times, it's like, I want to be unselfish, but at the same time, I gotta be selfish for the team, because it's gonna help us out in the long run.
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Shannon Sharpe
Swizz, you watch Bronny grow up. Spent a lot of years with LeBron in Cleveland and see Bronny go from a 7, 8, 9, year old to now here he is in the NBA. What do you. What is. What is this moment? What do you think this moment means for LeBron?
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Steve Smith
Oh, man. I mean, I can. I can only imagine, like, to be able to. I just had my first son. He's seven weeks. So for me, thinking about.
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Shannon Sharpe
Congrats, man.
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Steve Smith
Appreciate you. Appreciate y', all, man.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, you know, we saw that, right?
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Steve Smith
I mean, I'm sure you did.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm sure we're gonna leave that switch. We gonna leave that alone. But I'm just saying. I just want you to know we saw that.
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Steve Smith
Hey, man. Hey. You know what? I heard you. I ain't see you, but I Heard you.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay, there you go. Good switch. It's too soon. Swish it. You know what? As a matter of fact, we bought on the same timeline. It's about seven weeks, so. You know what? That's why I left the headline so quick, because you pushed me out. You, like, get your ass out of the headlines.
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Steve Smith
Hey, I got the 72 hour rule, dog. It's over. Straight up.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but you were saying this moment for LeBron and even the city of Cleveland to see LeBron come back and bring Junior with it.
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Steve Smith
Yeah, man. I mean, honestly, Bronnie's such a. You know, you hear about so many different kids, so many different situations who like, you know, their parents are stars and they arrogant and they're cocky and it's. And they feel like they just, you know, the world is supposed to be their oyster. And Bronnie is the complete opposite, man. It's like, it's a very humbling feeling to see him in the situation he's. He's in. And he's very, he's very, he's very grateful for the opportunity, you know, to live out your dreams as a kid. That's, that's one of the very, very rare, you know, few things that fortunately us three have been able to do, but like, to actually live it out and, and to have your pops there with you to show you, to really show you the ropes, it's. It's very, it's inspiring, man. Like, I, I really look at it and, and think of like, this is something I would definitely want to give my, my kid one day if I can give him the keys to, if you can get a keys to the Chevy to your son, like, what's different than giving the keys to the business or giving the keys to the game? Like just, and just letting them take it for, you know, what they want it to be, regardless of the shoes that we feel. Because obviously Brian is Brian and goes down the goat and everything else and comparison is going to be there or whatever, but to actually be able to live out your dream is something that very few people get to do. So I just hope he's. He's in a. A place to where he can actually absorb it and be happy and be satisfied with it.
- [27:24]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
And Jay, I don't think people understand how dope this situation is, this scenario as a father, as a father myself, and I'm just imagining being able to play long enough in NFL, which is hypothetically is damn near impossible, and to be able to play long enough for your son to join you just that feeling and knowing all the work know Bronnie and Bron have put in over the years and how it's paid off, not only is paid off, but he's. Now he has the opportunity to share the court and the sport in which they love and have grown up playing all their life, and then to share it on the same team at that. That is. It's dope in itself. And I really can't really put it into words how awesome it is. A lot of people have been critical of it, obviously saying, you know, the whole favoritism. And he only got.
- [28:11]
Shannon Sharpe
He only.
- [28:11]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
He's only there because of his father. Well, hell, goddamn. Yeah, well, you supposed to take advantage of those opportunities when you have the cachet and you have the power that LeBron does, to be able to bring your son on with you and allow him to live out a dream to play at the highest level. To me, it's unreal. It's unreal and it's dope. It's motivating, it's inspiring. And I just wish. I wish I could have done something like that. Obviously, I can't. So I'm going to live vicariously to them. And that. That. That's pretty much it, man. That's really, really dope, man.
- [28:49]
Shannon Sharpe
You ain't saying that in football. You ain't gonna see that in football, jr, Unless somebody have a kid while they in high school.
- [28:55]
Steve Smith
No, for real.
- [28:56]
Shannon Sharpe
And they can play. I mean, you got. Because think about it. Tom Brady played 23 seasons. His son is probably a sophomore junior in high school.
- [29:07]
Steve Smith
Yeah.
- [29:08]
Shannon Sharpe
So he would have had to had that kid at 15, 16. So therefore, by the time he's 32, Tom got another 11 years. So by the time. Now, all of a sudden, that's a realistic possibility now, you know, there might be somebody at the plot, like I go ahead and drop this one right here, you know, because that's what it's gonna take. Ocho, you can't. I mean, LeBron had a kid at 20. Had a kid at 20. Even if you have a kid at 20 in the NFL, bro, what's the likelihood you played another 20 seasons?
- [29:45]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Not good. Unless you're a quarterback and you really, really, really, really, really damn good and not your son.
- [29:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Because the difference is NFL players don't have the kind of leverage that an NBA player have, especially a superstar like LeBron, because the positions are so valuable. So it's gonna. Like I said, I think Gordie Howe, I think he might have played with his sons back in the. You know, but the likelihood of you seeing that in the NFL870 said Gil. Did LeBron's wife really break down film with him?
- [30:18]
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- [30:37]
Greg Rosenthal
25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kick starts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know, Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes?
- [31:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Mahomes is into the end zone. Touchdown, K City.
- [31:11]
Greg Rosenthal
He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson?
- [31:14]
Shannon Sharpe
Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dart back and forth.
- [31:17]
Steve Smith
Oh, he broke his ankles and he's.
- [31:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Got a touchdown down. He is Houdini.
- [31:23]
Greg Rosenthal
You are going to have to listen to find out. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
- [31:38]
Gilbert Arenas
Yeah, no, that's a true, listen, that's a true story.
- [31:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Man.
- [31:40]
Gilbert Arenas
When I went over LeBron's house, I.
- [31:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Don'T know if you heard the. I think.
- [31:48]
Gilbert Arenas
I think Richie Paul was on JJ's podcast when he was talking about this big gambling game we did.
- [31:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [31:55]
Gilbert Arenas
Like when we were doing the playoffs. LeBron wasn't gambling. He was with him. And Savannah was watching film, breaking down tape on, on us. And then you know, I'm like looking like, oh well that shit ain't gonna work. Cause I don't like that play.
- [32:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [32:11]
Gilbert Arenas
But the fact that that's what they were doing at a young age. Cause I went to coach, like, man, you know, hey, that's like a machine we're about to play against.
- [32:18]
Shannon Sharpe
We were better than them.
- [32:20]
Gilbert Arenas
He was smarter than us.
- [32:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Wow.
- [32:24]
Gilbert Arenas
Like he was better prepared at an early age. No one, I didn't, he outsmarted us in that series. He was just smarter than all of us. We took, we took his, his gift for granted. We knew the athleticism. We didn't know he was tactical.
- [32:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Are you Gil, you know Look, Chosen one on the COVID of Sports Illustrated. We know the three straight The. The championships in high school. Is he more or exactly what you thought he would be?
- [32:54]
Gilbert Arenas
Way more, right? I mean, I didn't. I. I didn't think that. I remember my dad said, hey, you better get. You better get ready this summer. There's a kid came coming in by the name LeBron James. He's like a hurricane. Ain't nobody care about no high school kid coming in. And then the first time I seen him, I was like, all right, okay. The athlete, the athleticism was different. And then just, you know, being on the east coast playing against him, I can just see it clicking faster and fast. So he had to guard me his first years where I was giving him that business.
- [33:31]
Shannon Sharpe
But you can see it like, oh.
- [33:33]
Gilbert Arenas
Man, by the time he's 20, oh, we're going to be in trouble. And this part, I didn't. I didn't calculate, but watching him break down film and then watching them, I was like, oh, okay, he's gonna be something to reckon with. But I just think you didn't see. You didn't see that he was going to take care of himself and be exactly what he is today.
- [33:56]
Shannon Sharpe
You did.
- [33:57]
Gilbert Arenas
If someone said they did, they lying. They're like, they're lying to you.
- [34:02]
Shannon Sharpe
For him to be able to do what he does, because he missed a lot of the Bronnies and Bryce and Zuri. He missed a lot of that because he needs to get his rest. He needs to train, he needs to. To. To. To have the. The physio and to make sure everything. And he's at the. The. The. The. The gym getting up those shots. How important is it to have someone in your life that understands you like Savannah understands Braun, and not say, I need some help with these kids. I've been there all day with the kids. Now it's your turn now.
- [34:40]
Gilbert Arenas
Oh, no, no, no. That's exactly what the.
- [34:42]
Shannon Sharpe
The.
- [34:43]
Gilbert Arenas
The other 99.9% of us get. I've been here all day with the kids here, right?
- [34:49]
Shannon Sharpe
So the fact that.
- [34:51]
Gilbert Arenas
That they've been there from the beginning, the whole team Maverick, it's the same.
- [34:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Group.
- [35:00]
Gilbert Arenas
Knew the objective and that agenda. Be better if it was. Be better than Michael Jordan.
- [35:06]
Shannon Sharpe
They all did.
- [35:07]
Gilbert Arenas
They part, right?
- [35:09]
Shannon Sharpe
So when we.
- [35:10]
Gilbert Arenas
When we look and say, what has he sacrificed? And we look at Bronnie and the family he sacrificed being with his kids right now, I mean, it's 20 years. 21.
- [35:21]
Shannon Sharpe
21.
- [35:22]
Gilbert Arenas
21 years. So that means he didn't get to really be hands on with Bronny. I was Bronnie's first trainer.
- [35:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Gil, what you think, what you look like.
- [35:32]
Gilbert Arenas
Hey, I'm, you know, I'm nervous for him, you know? You know what I mean? Because he's not there to really instill what he can into him, right? It's been from a distance.
- [35:42]
Shannon Sharpe
That's.
- [35:42]
Gilbert Arenas
That's what he sacrificed, right? So the fact that, you know, Savannah has really gotten these boys to where they are just shows you what type of stability he's had this whole time.
- [35:56]
Shannon Sharpe
It's special because she's made it abundantly clear. She said, like, some people want to start a business and some people want to do this. She says, all I wanted to be was a wife and raise a family. So that means she gave up anything that she could possibly want to be outside of being a wife and raising a family, to sacrifice because she knew what he wanted. I mean, think about somebody giving up them. You know, that's like a mother and a father sacrificing for their child. But she sacrifices sacrifice. Maybe what she wanted or what she could have achieved. Say, you know what, baby? I got them. You go, hey, you need. I got this. I'm in the carpool lane. I'm gonna pick them up. I'm gonna be there. When they look up in the stands, they're gonna see one of us. It's probably gonna be me. Cause I want you to be the best that you absolutely can possibly be. Now it gets to a point, Savannah, what do I absolutely have to be there for? Bronnie's first game, considering what he went through this summer, the cardiac arrest. We don't know if he. If and when he'll ever play again or. I can't miss that. Under no circumstances. All Star game, game one, I can't miss. I cannot miss that because, I don't know, you don't get an opportunity to do the first again to see your. See your oldest play his first collegiate game. So now you understand, because remember, Ocho, you know this. There's a great sacrifice to be the greater. The. The greater the person, the greater the sacrifices that they've made. And there is no balance for greatness. Anybody tell you there is the lying. Go ask Vanessa. Go. Go ask Juanita Jordan, Jordan's first wife. Go ask the greats. I'm talking about the. I'm talking about. You know, look, there. There. There's a lot of good players. There's some greats, but I'm talking about this. This. This. This. This pyramid Ask them. Ask them.
- [38:07]
Gilbert Arenas
It's the one thing that I think, as men, especially athletes, when we look at, you know, LeBron James and the Kobe's, Chris Paul, that. That woman, that's. That understands them to a T, right?
- [38:25]
Shannon Sharpe
That.
- [38:25]
Gilbert Arenas
That is the other half of them. It's the envy. Like, you start looking around at the girls you chose and like, man, what was I looking at?
- [38:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Like, you know what I mean?
- [38:34]
Gilbert Arenas
Like, it's like, what was I looking at?
- [38:36]
Shannon Sharpe
What.
- [38:37]
Gilbert Arenas
What was I chasing? Because what I was chasing, wasn't it? This is what I wanted. Like, my career would have been better.
- [38:46]
Shannon Sharpe
If I had that. Yeah, right.
- [38:48]
Gilbert Arenas
Like, you know what I mean? Like, if I had some guidance, some understanding.
- [38:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
- [38:55]
Gilbert Arenas
Alfred. Not a robin. I don't need someone out there trying to be a hero with me.
- [39:01]
Shannon Sharpe
Alfred.
- [39:02]
Gilbert Arenas
Hey, everything is prepared for you to.
- [39:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Go be great, right?
- [39:06]
Gilbert Arenas
Come back hurt.
- [39:07]
Shannon Sharpe
I'll refix you. Going out there and save it again.
- [39:10]
Gilbert Arenas
That's what we looking for. And I think that's what we. When we sit here chasing. We're chasing, looking for that. And we don't know what it looks like, but when we do get it, we lost.
- [39:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey.
- [39:23]
Gilbert Arenas
Hey, what's happening?
- [39:23]
Shannon Sharpe
How you doing? How you doing? Cookie and Matt. Cookie and Magic now, I don't know. Hey, how many women you think would have rolled out given the circle, the same circumstances? Ocho.
- [39:45]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
They say it. Take it. Take a special one.
- [39:47]
Gilbert Arenas
Yeah, go on.
- [39:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Going back out there with them old things that. That you were laying down that you would lay.
- [39:52]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah, take a special one. And take a special one.
- [39:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Look at Peyton Manning. Look at Peyton Manning. Now, you know, Ocho, you know firsthand how much Peyton time he put in film study. Yeah, Brady. Until she's like, you know what? Damn it, man. You've been promising me for the last seven, eight years that you go hang it up. Yeah, man, we got. You ain't gonna stop. And I just. I just can't do it anymore. She went as long. She went as long as she could. Now, obviously, they're. They're things. They're. You know, hey. But again, she had her own career. You got to realize, she got more money than he does now. Maybe she's like, well, a lot of. Some of the things I did stop. I did sacrifice for you, for the. You know, to start a family, to raise the family. But Peyton. Peyton's. Boom. She's like, nah. Hey, handle that man.
- [40:46]
Gilbert Arenas
Brady.
- [40:47]
Shannon Sharpe
It's tough. Brady.
- [40:48]
Gilbert Arenas
God, that man cnc, man. Brady's selfish, man.
- [40:53]
Shannon Sharpe
White privilege right there. Yeah. You gotta be Selfie to be great.
- [40:56]
Gilbert Arenas
All the broke girls I done dated. You telling me someone makes more than me?
- [41:01]
Shannon Sharpe
And I'm not gonna stop. I'm done. Take my tweets. Have them. What are you talking about, Ocho? You. Excuse me, Gil, you suffered the same thing that I suffered because I didn't want the girl that wanted me. I wanted the girl. And so when you choose somebody, choose the girl that wants you, not the girl you want, because the girl that you want ain't gonna be the. Ain't gonna be the one. Yeah. No, that's fact. You have to. You. You have to live. You have to live it. You have to live and learn. And when you. When you. Look, man, you. You. You don't know any better. You. You. You're not even. You're not even thinking at that point in time. You're like, man, I should have married this. What? I should. Married this in my college. And then that didn't work out. Or somebody. Because we all say this. I'm gonna get somebody that know me that when I didn't have anything, I had this old raggedy car. I didn't have no indoor plumbing. And they know what it's. They know what it's like to sacrifice and be there for me. Then if that doesn't work out, Gil, then where do we go? Because the one that we thought, you know, it's like. Oh, it's like, well, you know, if the whole. If the. The high school or the college sweetheart doesn't work, well, damn. Even if you. Even if you. The seventh round, if you're on an NFL team, you in the NFL, it ain't like, you know what I'm saying, hey, you're in the NFL. It's not like, you know, well, you know, you work around the building. You actually in the league. So whether you a seventh round pick or a first round pick. Hey, are you that shy to play for the Broncos now? It's a whole. It's a whole different story. Too late now, Ocho.
- [42:49]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah.
- [42:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you know what, Ocho? This is my. I wanted to get. And I know you probably heard of it by now, I wanted to respond to some of the criticism, and I normally don't respond to the criticism because I don't. I don't care anyway. And there have been a lot of guys, there have been a lot of people taking shots at me personally. But we know why. They see uncle no Cho. They see the success that we're having. They see Club Shay Shay. The success that I'm having, doing that.
- [43:19]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Right.
- [43:19]
Shannon Sharpe
They see the success that I'm having on espn. So sometimes the only success someone can have is that they take a bite out of you. That's their success is by biting you. And I'm cool with that. But they were, I was asked and I think the question was, is that LeBron said he would be the still the same player.
- [43:37]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Absolutely.
- [43:38]
Shannon Sharpe
Had he never played in Miami.
- [43:41]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Absolutely.
- [43:42]
Shannon Sharpe
And two things can be true. I believe LeBron James would have still been the all time leading scorer. I still believe LeBron James would have scored 30,000 points, had 10,000 rebounds, 10,000 assists. I still believe he would have been a first team All NBA player. I still believe he would have been a multi time all star player. But the pushback that I'm gonna give, I do not believe he's LeBron James. That we know without that stand in Miami. Because. Because without that. Because prior to him going there, he had zero championships, but two MVPs. He goes to Miami, he gets two titles and two more MVPs. So now he's four and two. There's only a handful of people. Now you gotta go, there's only three people. Before LeBron did it, Wilt got four, Jordan has five, Russell has five, and I think Kareem has six. So there's four people. So now LeBron is an exclusive company. So now people got like, hold on, wait a minute. And he had him at the age of 28. So now he goes back to Cleveland, he gets another title. 4 and 3. He goes to LA, he gets another title. Now he's 4 and 4. So now he's an elite company. He's one of one of two men to win multiple MVPs. Two locations. Kareem, 3 and 3. Three in Milwaukee, three in LA. He's one of two men to win multiple MVPs. Finals MVPs at different locations. Kawhi, San Antonio, Toronto. Kareem, Milwaukee, Louisiana. LeBron James. So could you still be the same player? Yes, but not the player we know. Because without that. Because whether you see, here's the thing. Oo you can't say. And everybody keeps saying he could go anywhere and win those titles.
- [45:44]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah.
- [45:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Kevin Durant kept. Kevin Durant, went to Golden State, stayed three years, won two titles, Finals mvp. Both years got hurt. The third year, even though advanced, they lost. He went to Brooklyn for four years. How many more times? How many more championships he won? Whoa.
- [46:00]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Can I, can I ask you a question? Let me stop you right there. We talk about LeBron James, okay? We talk about the greatest Play. We talk about the greatest player on the planet.
- [46:07]
Shannon Sharpe
The.
- [46:07]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
That would change the dynamic of any team. He's on his 20s, in his early. In his late, late, late 20s, say 28. He went anywhere he could, any team.
- [46:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Why he go to Miami then? Why'd he go to Miami then?
- [46:21]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
D. Wade told him to come on home.
- [46:22]
Shannon Sharpe
No, no, no, no, no. But you said he could have gone anywhere.
- [46:25]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
I mean, he could have gone anywhere.
- [46:26]
Shannon Sharpe
He felt that was the best chance for him to win. Am I correct?
- [46:31]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Obviously, he wanted to pair himself. He wanted to pair himself with Bosch and Wade.
- [46:34]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, because, see, but see. Oo you see, this is what. This is what. See, there's a difference.
- [46:40]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Remember, he won with Cleveland, right?
- [46:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [46:44]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Who did he have on the team with him?
- [46:46]
Shannon Sharpe
But here's the thing. What. What knowledge did he take back that he had acquired from Miami back to.
- [46:52]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Cleveland how to win?
- [46:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, so where did he learn that?
- [46:58]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
In Miami?
- [46:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, then. So without that stint in Miami, is he the same? Do we view him the Same without those four MVP? Without those two other MVPs? Because here's the thing, Ocho, this is what we got to look. If he doesn't get those two MVPs, regular season and those two final MVPs, how do you put him in front of Kareem? Kareem has six regular season MVPs, right? Two finals MVPs, five titles. How do you put him in front of Jordan, who's 6 and 6? How do you put him in front of Tim Duncan, who has five titles, three Finals MVP, two regular season MVPs? How do you put him in front of magic? Magic has three regular season MVPs, five finals, three finals MVPs. How do you put him in there if he doesn't have that Miami stint on his resume?
- [47:46]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
You're underestimating how great LeBron is. I think if he didn't go to Miami, if he chose to go somewhere else, regardless, it would have been. I think the outcome would have been the same.
- [47:56]
Shannon Sharpe
No, that's not what he said. Even he said it. If you read LeBron James tweet, this is what LeBron said. You damn right I would still be. I'm chosen. Ain't nothing changing. Maybe less rings, but dominant from start to finish. Even he said it.
- [48:10]
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
He said maybe less rings, but common sense in the eye test will tell you wherever LeBron goes, that team come hella high water, is probably going to be in the Finals or in contention to be in it.
- [48:23]
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- [48:41]
Greg Rosenthal
Who are the 25 greatest football players to grace the gridiron since the year 2000? Introducing NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and an all star cast of media personalities, including Mina Kimes, Steve Wych, Kevin Harlan and more, for a look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting on June 30 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [49:16]
Shannon Sharpe
This is an I Heart podcast.