Best of March Madness Part 2: Michigan CROWNED CHAMPS beating UConn, Mike Malone isn't ENOUGH! UNC better drop a BAG in the portal!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of March Madness Part 2: Michigan CROWNED CHAMPS beating UConn, Mike Malone isn't ENOUGH! UNC better drop a BAG in the portal!

Date: April 8, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with co-hosts "Joe," "Ocho," and "Uncle Joe")

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe and guests dive deep into the climactic conclusion of March Madness, focusing on Michigan’s upset victory over UConn to claim the national basketball championship. The conversation expands to the landscape of college basketball and coaching, including the seismic hire of NBA coach Mike Malone by UNC, the shift in recruiting culture due to the transfer portal and NIL (Name, Image, Likeness), and the generational challenges of coaching young athletes. The dialogue is infused with personal stories, candid locker-room wisdom, and classic barbershop debate—true to Shannon Sharpe’s style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. UConn’s Dominance & Program Legacy

(03:01-07:23)

• UConn’s run was highlighted by standout performances: Tars Reed (17 points, 11 rebounds) and freshman Braylon Mullins (15 points, 2 steals, 4/7 from three).
• UConn’s suffocating defense: “They held the best offense in the country to a 34% clip from the field.” (03:23, Joe)
• The hosts compare Hurley’s potential legacy to John Wooden, the only other coach with three titles in four years.

“For him to win three championships in four years, you’re looking at something only Wooden has done, man.”
– Joe (04:30)

2. The Culture of Winning & Coaching Transitions

(07:23-09:19)

• UConn’s deep alumni tradition and the pressure to perform when former players are in the building.
• Coach Hurley’s decision to turn down the Lakers job, emphasizing stability and control in college vs. NBA.

“You ain’t coaching the Lakers like you coach UConn. You ain’t gonna be yelling at Luka and LeBron.”
– Joe (09:32)

• Discussion on the differences in coaching control and player dynamics in college vs. the pros, with a focus on managing egos and recruiting buy-in.

3. Coaching & Player Relationships: Then vs. Now

(09:19-25:08)

• The group segues into a larger dialogue about how coaching, discipline, and athlete mentality have changed, referencing their own upbringings and how different generations respond to authority.

“Every coach has to know his player. You gotta know how to coach certain people a different way... To maximize their talent, you better understand your players very, very well.”
– Uncle Joe (14:04)

• Stories of tough love from coaches and family, contrasted with the more cautious and permissive approach prevalent today.

“Parent be at the school, parent be at the field cutting the food... they gonna be in the portal...”
– Ocho (17:32)

4. Mike Malone to North Carolina: What Does It Mean?

(49:49-54:16)

• Shift to breaking news: UNC hiring NBA Champion Mike Malone as head coach.
• The panel debates whether this high-profile NBA-to-college move will work, especially given UNC's tradition of "hiring in the family."
• UNC’s need to compete in the NIL/transfer portal era is front and center.

“You got to pay to play, you got to pay to win. You understand the landscape of college basketball right now and football in general. In order to get those players in there, you got to come with the bag.”
– Uncle Joe (53:22)

• Consensus: Malone’s NBA cred means nothing if UNC doesn’t secure top talent—and that means cash, not just tradition.

5. Transfer Portal and NIL: The New College Game

(54:16-59:43)

• Deep dive into the current reality: top recruits and transfers are “business people” first, student-athletes second.
• The value of older, transfer-portal players vs. freshmen: less risk, more maturity, and immediate impact.

“If I’m paying you, ain’t no on-the-job training, no Joe. You come ready.”
– Joe (59:03)

6. Michigan’s National Championship Breakdown

(62:24-76:27)

• Michigan’s 69-63 win over UConn is dissected: defensive grit, experience, and the impact of transfer-portal players.
• The difference-makers: Mara’s presence in the paint, Elliot’s point guard dominance, and Michigan’s relentless rebounding.
• UConn’s runs and Michigan’s poise—how the game was decided by small details and big stops.

“For the most part, Michigan just was too overwhelming for them.”
– Ocho (66:45)

• Notable stat: 61 of Michigan’s 69 points came in the paint or from the free-throw line (72:32).
• NBA futures: panel picks potential first-round picks from Michigan, with Mara (7’3”) standing out.

“He [Mara] ain’t really no big stiff on the block. He got a few moves... but defensively he’s gonna, he can help anybody, man.”
– Ocho (73:00)

• Praises Michigan’s coaching for assembling a title team almost entirely from the portal in their first year.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On UConn’s coaching:
  “When you got somebody like Hurley at the helm, I think he drives belief in his players. They take after his attitude, his fieriness, how they compete.”
  – Ocho (05:10)

• On NIL and the ‘business’ of college hoops:
  “The talent is more spread out... these kids are business people now. All that student-athlete—man, damn that.”
  – Joe (55:07)

• On Michigan’s win:
  “Michigan is a great defensive team, Uncle Ocho, and they showed it tonight... Michigan got good bigs and good point guard play... they were really in tune tonight.”
  – Ocho (63:16, 75:19)

• On coaching and discipline across generations:
  “I can’t talk to no man like you talk to an 18, 19-year-old kid. He’ll slap five from you.”
  – Joe (13:53)

• On the transfer portal changing recruiting:
  “You better open up your checkbook. Just because you hired Mike Malone doesn’t mean you’re gonna have success. You got to pay to win.”
  – Uncle Joe (53:41)

• On the significance of Michigan’s title:
  “They beat Arizona, they beat UConn, who had won two of the last three national championships—unbelievable throughout the tourney. A hard-fought win and they are the national champions.”
  – Joe (71:09)

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Important Timestamps

• UConn-Illinois Recap & Hurley’s Legacy – 03:01–07:23
• Coaching Control: College vs. NBA, Hurley Turns Down Lakers – 09:01–10:51
• Coaching, Discipline, and Generational Shifts – 14:04–25:08
• UNC Hires Mike Malone; Portal & Pay-to-Play Era – 49:49–54:16
• Recruitment’s Business Realities and Portal Strategy – 54:16–59:43
• Michigan Wins National Title: Defensive Keys & Player Futures – 62:24–76:27

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Episode Flow & Tone

• Conversational, anecdotal, direct and humorous.
• Blends high-level sports analysis with old-school wisdom.
• Frequent references to personal experience and generational context—no sugarcoating on the realities of modern college sports.
• Straight talk on the money and business side of today’s college basketball.

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For Listeners Who Missed It:

This episode is a must for March Madness fans, sports culture buffs, and anyone tracking the future of college basketball. The panel masterfully balances celebration of Michigan’s gritty win and the evolving landscape—with NIL, the transfer portal, and pro-to-college coaching moves like Mike Malone’s UNC hire—at center stage. There's plenty of insight, humor, and hard-earned experience, plus a window into how the “old school” and “new school” worlds are clashing and collaborating in the current NCAA.

If you want to understand not just who won, but how and why—on the court and on the recruiting/rebuilding front—Shannon and crew deliver it, unfiltered and on point.

Transcript

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[Joe]

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[Uncle Joe]

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[Joe]

The first game. Yukon tops Illinois to advance to a third title game in four years. This is a case to be made that Tars Reed, 17 points, 11 rebounds today had been the best player in the tournament. Solo ball has also recorded double digits in scoring in three consecutive games. Braylon Mullins, 15 points, 2 steals, 4, 7 from three. Yukon held his best. Held the best offense in the country to a 34% clip from the field. They connected on a barrage of 3:12. The most in Final Four game from the pro for the program. The Huskies didn't commit a turnover in the first half. A record under Bobby Hurley. Man, when you look at the way they played, I don't know what it is about this kid. And I think Mullins is a freshman. And the first half he and Reed got off to this great start.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

And then they were cold. But when they needed to get a bucket, man, you see, hey, Hurley got no problem dialing up a play and the kid hit a three.

[Uncle Joe]

And when it matters most, Unki did the same. He did the same thing last game. Yeah, he was shooting three after three and was missing and missing and miss after miss. But when they needed it most, he showed up in the last game and was able to get them that win. Same thing tonight. Now I'm not sure. I'm not sure if they'll be able to get away with it. Playing a team like Michigan, that. That's much better. That can get you behind the eight ball, you know, down, down double digits real quick.

[Joe]

You know what? When I look at this, Joe, I don't know what people think. I mean, but for him to win three championships in four years, you're looking at something only Wooden has done, man. What's K? Not, not, not, not. You know, you look at Coach K, you look at Coach Smith and you look At Coach Knight and you look at Roy Williams and you look at some of these guys. Only Wooden here, he has an opportunity to win three championships.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

In a, in a four year span. Now I don't know, look, I don't want to, I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but boy, he's being, I mean you think about when you could say I wanted only one other coach would have, can say they've done this and that's Coach Wooden.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Who won 10 and I think he won like seven, eight in a row, bro.

[Ocho]

Damn. Hey, when you got somebody like Hurley at the helm on oo. Yeah. I think he, he, he, he, he drives belief in his players. I think they take after him as, as far as his attitude, his fieriness, how they compete. Like Illinois is a pretty good team, man. They probably the highest scoring team in NCAA this year and for them to get held to 62 points, I thought, I didn't think it was a pretty game, but I thought Connecticut controlled the game, the entire game, you know what I mean? Pretty much from start to finish. They got off to a pretty good start. Like you say, Mullens got off to a great start, made a couple threes early. Now you find a rhythm and it's like playing catch up. This game, this one, no, nine point game, this game was a lot worse than that, you know what I mean? They only lost by now, but I thought Illinois was really, they made a little, they made a little comeback toward the end, but for the most part, man, Connecticut controlled this whole game, bro. They control the whole game.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean Connecticut's tough. I mean you look at, and I don't know if we've seen a program, you look at a program, you look at what Coach Calhoun did and we know the level of talent that he brought in there. From the Rip Hamiltons to all those guys that he brought in there, the Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Villa, Na Waiver Okafor and all those guys. And yeah, Kimba, you know, Cardiac Kimba.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

A lot of these guys. And then Kevin Ollie did it with a different set of guys. And here come Dan Hurley and, and, and, and, and you look at this, I mean Coach Calhoun won three, Kevin Ollie won one. That's four right there. If this guy, he'll have seven, that'll put him in front of Duke, that'll put him in front of North Carolina. That'll be trailing. Only north, that'll be trailing. If I'm not mistaken, that might put him in front of Coach Kentucky I forgot Coach Rook. Cause Coach Rupp had. Back in the 40s and 50s.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Coach Rob had. Had a stick down there at a University of Kentucky. But for. For what he's doing. And you understand.

[Ocho]

Make you work a little hard. You like, hold on. These dudes at the game. We don't want to have no let down now. Same thing with Connecticut. You got Ray Allen and all the guys there. Rip Hamilton. I just think it's a dope. I think it's a dope environment. I'm glad to see these guys moving along. And I think Connecticut and Michigan. It's gonna be a hell of a game on Monday night, fellas.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Always great. Ocho, you know, being in the league. And you see those former great. You see Munoz and a lot of these old guys come back. The alumni.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Joe, when you was at Arkansas and some of those old guys, be it Corliss Williams. Yeah, yeah. Sydney Moncrief. A lot of these old guys, they come back. You. You like, damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Y' all came back to see us, and I can't let y' all guys down. I gotta win this one.

[Ocho]

Right, Right.

[Joe]

You know, it's kind of like when homecoming, when everybody comes back, you your best ball because everybody's coming back. And you know why they came back, right? Yeah, I love that also. I. I love that you look at Duke and how those guys go back in the summer and they play, and all those guys that's going to Duke, they like, damn, I damn sure want to be. I want. I want to be a part of that. Or Alabama, you know, and the way a lot of these. A lot of these teams that produce a lot of NFL or NBA players, they go back.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

When they go back, it lets you, like, okay, they. They really close. This is really a brotherhood.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

[Joe]

There's no jealousy or guys just competing, playing at a hard level. They can pass along what it's like to play, what it's like to be in this situation. Guys started this 40 plus years ago. Your job is to continue it. Just like our job was to continue. We passed it on to you guys got to continue this. Look, like you said, Joe, it wasn't. I mean, it wasn't like UConn shot the COVID off the ball. Both teams. One team shot 35%, the other team shot 34. Yeah. One team shot 23% from the three. The other team shot 36% from the three.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The difference is. Is that Yukon and Yukon makes you play like this.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

They get up into you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They picking you up. They're pressing the ball. Hey, those guards, they pressure back court. They do a great job of rebounding. They do a great job of boxing out. Yeah, man, I. I can't say enough about Coach Early. You know, I. I thought he'd have been a great fit for the Lakers, but he's like, nah, that ain't. I'm a. I'm a Jersey kid.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey. Yeah, Another thing about Mr. Hurley not really taking that Lakers job, you know, ain't really no security in that, you know, especially when it comes to coaching the Lakers. The pressure that comes with coaching the Lakers.

[Joe]

You ain't coaching the Lakers like you coach UConn. You ain't gonna be yelling at Luca and LeBron. Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

It's kind of different. Hey, but Joe. Hey, hey, Joe. Is no sense of security. And taking a job like that, even even though it's a good job to have, It's a prestigious job to have, obviously coaching a historic franchise like the Lakers. But I understand why Mr. Hurley turned that down, even with the money they was offering him. Yeah, I ain't gonna be. I ain't gonna be there too long. Yeah, I'm not gonna be there too long, because soon as things don't go right, I'm out the goddamn dope.

[Ocho]

You gonna be the scapegoat.

[Joe]

And I think.

[Ocho]

I think Uncle Ocho in college, you know, as a coach, you got a little more control.

[Joe]

Oh, you got a lot of control. Yeah, you got all the control, to be honest.

[Ocho]

You get guys that are very hungry to work and obviously make it to the next level, so they're gonna do pretty much whatever you ask.

[Jack]

Yes.

[Ocho]

As opposed to. Hell, you get to the Lakers.

[Joe]

It's people, man, I make 300 million. How you telling me what to do? So, I mean, you know what it's like. You know what it's like, Ocho. Yeah, you got a lot more. Your. Your mom. Them and grandparents look at you a lot differently when you making the money, when you paying all the bills.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

That all of a sudden, you know what? It's okay, baby. Come in here when you want to. Where before I could come in the house after mid. But now. But hey, come in when you want to.

[Ocho]

So.

[Joe]

Yeah, and so we. And Joe, you said something in the. Ocho, we've talked about this as a 18, 19 year old kid. He's trying to get to the next level. So as Joe said, that guy is going to pretty much do whatever you Tell him because he feel you're helping him get to that level. I'm already at that level. What you telling me, right?

[Ocho]

What they're gonna be? I mean, you see how Luca did? J.J. told him go sit his ass down. That when he came down. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, Unc. And at that. At that point, too, Joe, you know, correct me if I'm wrong. It takes a certain coach to gain the kind of respect for players that's already millionaires. They got that kind of money.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

It depends on who coaching them. You know what I mean? The players have control at the NBA, but depending on the face that's the head coach of them, they wouldn't have listened. Yeah, they're a little bit more receptive, depending who it is. Especially I would think, maybe a former player or maybe a coach that has a winning record like a Phil Jackson.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You got to deal with egos, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because at the college game, you can tell the guys because you got five. Five stars.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Say in order for us to win, we've got the ak. You got to do this, you got to do that. But when you got those kind of guys, bro, I'm getting my points down. What he said, give me that ball. Hey, I'm. I'm playing. I'm playing 40 minutes.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I'm gonna get my numbers.

[Ocho]

Yeah, right? Yeah.

[Joe]

Now, if I, if, if in the course of this game, you know, hey, I can get me four or five rebounds and dish out some assists, but I'm gonna get my points. And so that's what Phil was really good at. Phil was really good at managing egos, and that's what you have to do.

[Ocho]

It's hard, man.

[Joe]

And as a coach, Joe, you know this. Ocho, you know this. That's a grown man. He got a wife, too.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

How you. How you talking to him like. Like he loves that. I'm a grown ass man.

[Ocho]

Yeah. So, you know, you can talk to some of them college players like that, but I promise.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

When you get to the pros, bro, it's only so much guys gonna take. I'm telling you, they may let.

[Joe]

They're gonna put hands on you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. I can't talk to no man like you talk to 18, 19 year old kid.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He'll slap five from you, man.

[Ocho]

Listen. Hey, boy.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Ocho]

I've been in some locker rooms where I seen some coaches and some players get into it, and I'M like, hold on. What's going on here? Yeah, it's. It's different, bro. It's different when you get to the pros, man. It's different.

[Joe]

Hey, how you let that man push you down now? You let that man kick you your butt. Come on. I mean, I could never do that because the way we. I grew up in the south. And the coach. The coach was damn like a parent. Whatever. He said, if you. If hey, you. I go home and say, granted, the coach grab my face mask and did all this. What? The first thing she asked, what'd you do?

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

What you're supposed to say. You're supposed to say, nah, baby. He only supposed to do that. You're asking me what I did. No matter what I did, he should have grabbed my face mask and listen. But as a grown man.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You gotta have a level of. And that's what I said. You got to be careful how you a man talk to another man. Oh, well. Well, you tried to win games. Okay, okay. Win game. It's hard to win game when one of your best players got a lot closed. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And that is real important to Uncle Joe at that level, Whether it's. Whether it's NFL, whether it's mlb, whether it's even NBA. Every coach has to know his player. Every coach has to know his limits. You got to know how to coach certain people a different way. You co. You can coach some people hard.

[Ocho]

I agree.

[Uncle Joe]

And some people, you can't be like that. You got to cut them a little bit and get what you want out of them.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, to maximize their talent. You better understand your players very, very well.

[Ocho]

Yeah, because everybody. Yeah, but because everybody don't respond the same way.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah.

[Ocho]

You know what I mean? Like, you can. It's just like, man, when I was playing at Arkansas on the. Coach, Nolan Richardson, Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about, man, when you talking about somebody who stayed on my ass, I'm like, yo, I started to wonder if he liked me. But then, you know, as you get older, you like, well, if he own you, then he sees something in you.

[Joe]

Something.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

But if he come in there, he don't look at you, don't speak to you. Oh, it's a problem.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know what I mean? So I had to learn that way.

[Joe]

Coach Calvin told a story about when he was a D coordinator in. In Kansas City, and Percy Snow. Percy Snow came out with me. He's from Michigan State. And if I'm not mistaken, Percy might have been defensive player of the year. Jason, who was defensive. No, it might have been him or say I. But anyway, Coach say he was real quiet.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He did something, and coach was trying to say something, and. And Percy didn't respond. So Coach Cowell cut the light on and say, percy. You hear what I'm saying? He said, percy. Turn around, Coach. Is there a problem, Coach? They turn the light off. Nah, there ain't no problem.

[Ocho]

For real?

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

I found that out the hard way. When coach stay on you, man, don't be one of them guys who always got something to say back. Cause if you are, he gonna be on your ass all. You know what I mean? Hey, look, he got on me. I sit there, just take it and keep moving. You know what I mean? I ain't never say nothing back because I want you to go on, leave me alone.

[Joe]

Exactly. But like I said, some coaches, you can ride. Some coaches, you got to be facetious. I mean, some players, you got to be facetious with. Some players, like, look here, son, this is what we need from you. We need to be X, Y, and Z. And you need to explain it to them in a tone, because I'm telling you, you try to talk to everybody. You try to coach everybody the same way. I'm telling you, hey, Joe, I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you. I've seen it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, I'm. I'm. I'm one of the few, obviously.

[Joe]

Oh, really?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, my. My upbringing, Joe, you. You know how coaching was. I'm sure you've seen many clips. Uncle. You know how they. You know how they coach down here in Miami. You know how they coach. You know, in the inner city, it's different. The screaming, the cussing, the coaching, slapping of the helmet.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Grabbing up, the yanking you. You know how that is?

[Ocho]

That's how I came up.

[Uncle Joe]

Bingo. So, obviously, in Cincinnati, you know, man, Hugh Jackson, I don't care about you weighing 85. I don't care about you being Chad. I don't care about you being Ocho. I'm gonna coach you the same way I was coaching when I was growing up, and I understood that. So I'm used on because I'm used to it from back then.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I thought, okay, this is how it's supposed to be. I wasn't tripping.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

But other players that weren't even at my level of talent or caliber.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he had. He had to coach him a different way. Man, coach me hard, man. Cuss me. I don't care what you do? Slap me, helmet up, whatever. If that's what it takes to get the best out of me, I'm all for it.

[Joe]

I don't know you can do that now. I don't know if you can coach a young kid like, like what we got.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, man. Parent to be at, parent to be at the school. Parent be at the, at the field cutting the food.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they gonna, they gonna, they gonna be, they gonna be in the portal. Hell, after, after that they gone.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh yeah.

[Joe]

Cause you see, hey, the parents not run out there and be fighting the coaches and all kind of things. I ain't never heard. I ain't never heard of no pair.

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[Joe]

And coaches with brown face masks and slap your side, the head or do all kind of stuff. Punch you in the chest.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Not one parent ever came out there.

[Ocho]

No, no, no.

[Joe]

Hey, you saw that. Because most of the time the parents knew the coach. They went to school with him.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Always.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You Uncle Joe, you seen the clip of the 707? The dude knocked out the ref?

[Ocho]

I seen he was.

[Joe]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Fired on him.

[Ocho]

He was squared up with the other.

[Joe]

Hey, what a one.

[Uncle Joe]

Ref knocked out on the floor. He squared up with the other one. I'm like, man, what are we doing? What does 707 come to?

[Joe]

Hey, those are parents that are living their life through the kid. Kids. Yeah. See if you. If like Joe, what Joe look like out there? Like you think your kid is your meal ticket.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So you living vicariously through your kid? Joe was a professional. I was a professional. You was a professional. Ocho, you ain't finna be carried on like that. Cause you've had your life. Let the kid live their life. Yeah, but when you live vicariously through your kid, you. You think that's you. That ain't you. Sit your ass down.

[Ocho]

Yep. And then the mistakes that you made as a youngster, you trying to help him. Not make those, not make them.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But hey, Ocho, you said something. I agree with you too. I think the upbringing that we had, meaning the tough coaching, like I was in when I was in playing au ball for Mike Greenwood, Sylvester Allen, they kind of raised. They raised me, taught me the game, taught me how to compete. And then you get to high school and college, it's different. And I'm getting chewed out, you know what I mean? So by the time I make it to the pros, Uncle Ocho, the Coach, get on me, man. That going one day after other out the other. Yeah, listen, that don't even bother me, bro. You gonna let me play or what? I just wanna. I just want to play.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey. And you know, I don't think a good thing, Uncle Joe. You think about today's society and the way kids are being raised, they're being coddled. There's really no discipline, there's really no structure.

[Joe]

And.

[Uncle Joe]

And I think it's almost handicapping the kids because once they get in the

[Joe]

real world, they got no coping skill.

[Ocho]

No, they're going to quit.

[Joe]

There you go.

[Ocho]

They going. As soon as they get tough, it's going to eat.

[Uncle Joe]

It's going to eat you up. It's going to eat you up quick. So I wish in a sense we can go back to maybe not how it was when we grew up, but just a little bit of structure, just a little bit of discipline. Because life ain't going to be fair once you're out there on your own.

[Ocho]

It's hard to have discipline.

[Joe]

The way these kids talk back, I mean, you might suck. You might. They call it kissing your teeth, but you might suck. Yeah, you might roll your eyes or stomp off or something. But it wasn't nobody blatantly just talking back and cursing at the teacher. Like, we see clips, students fighting teachers. That was.

[Ocho]

Hey,

[Jack]

I don't see.

[Joe]

I couldn't be no teacher, man. I couldn't be no teacher.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you see some of the clips? Hey, Joe, you see some of the clips? The way the students talk to the teachers?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, they slap him. Yeah, yeah, I didn't see me get out my b. You better get out my face. They be on their phone, kid might come back and pop you. I ain't got time for that, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Could you. Could you imagine raising your hand at a teacher back then?

[Joe]

No, no, the boy, that teacher called home and, and told Barney or Mary,

[Uncle Joe]

I ain't going home.

[Joe]

No, you.

[Uncle Joe]

You called my grandma.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

My grandma. Hold on. My grandma made me, Joe. And yeah, I'm supposed to be at Miami Northwestern, you know, with Teddy Bridgewater. Boys went, I'm in the inner city. My grandma say, baby, listen, once you hit ninth grade, you not going over there. I need to be able to keep an eye on you. She sent me over there to Miami B Senior high. Why? Because she taught at the middle school. She taught the Nautilus Middle School.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Lo and behold, I was very smart of her because my badass, always skipping class, she able to get over there in 10 minutes to me.

[Ocho]

Yeah, she. She already knew you was a little.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I was bad, Joe, all right? I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe. I wasn't. I wasn't like in the street bad. I was bad in school bad.

[Joe]

Skipping, talking, excessive talking.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, and other. And other people pee class.

[Ocho]

Hey, you got both lunches? You on both lunches?

[Joe]

Both.

[Uncle Joe]

Both lunches, Joe.

[Joe]

Hey, I kept an effing conduct. I got a to be. I got for condo.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, let me tell you how bad I was, Uncle Joe. You know, in high school with us, in order to be outside the class while class was going on, he had to have a hall pass.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Joe]

I had hall passes in my bag, already signed, based on what period it was. So if I got caught in the hall, I could show it. Man, I got. I got suspended five, Five. Five days when they found out I had stolen passes and the teacher really didn't sign it.

[Ocho]

Oh, man. Hey, hey, and your parents, hey, they be pissed if you get suspended, boy, and you got to stay home for more.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Three days.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah. Hey, you gotta stay home three days. Hey, don't answer the dough for nobody, right?

[Joe]

Nobody.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't care who it is. Nobody should be coming here doing work hours.

[Joe]

That's how she got up a couple extra dollar. I better them out of my eyes and. Oh, y' all got suspended, huh? Okay, that gonna cost you. I tell Barney Porter you got suspended, it's gonna be hell four, box 385. And what it gonna cost? Hey, hey, guys, they get on the bus just like they go to school. Hey, get off the bus.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And go walk the streets until it's time. Get back on the bus and come on. Cause, boy, if I told Barney Porter they were suspended.

[Ocho]

Oh, no. Been on like Donkey Kong with a man.

[Joe]

What? Man, that man ain't played that foolish. Hey, he's like, he already told him, say, you ain't got to go to school, but if you go to school, go to learn, right? Yeah, simple as that. He's. Hey, you could quit. He said you quit. You gotta work. Yeah, but if you go to school, don't be. Hey, he did not. He did not believe my grandma. The same way do not believe in wasting people time. Yeah, some people go there. Other people want to learn. Just because you don't want to learn, that don't mean you go there and interrupt somebody else learning. Right?

[Ocho]

Man, listen, I never understood how cats would come to school and act a fool knowing their parents didn't play that, bro. I'm like, man, I know your mom and daddy, boy. They ain't playing none of that. I don't know why you here acting a clown. Cause I know. I know my mom and my grandma weren't having it. Oh, no.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, you got beings.

[Ocho]

I got whoopings, ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, you weren't that. You weren't that big then, huh?

[Ocho]

But I wouldn't. No, I'm saying. I'm saying when I was a youngin. But I'm saying, like, I wasn't no bad child. Now, you. You know, if you was in. If I was in the house with you, you wouldn't even know I was in there. I'd be in that chill in my room. I'm still. I stay to myself. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Okay. But you know, Joe, quiet.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I ain't.

[Joe]

I ain't in class. Even if you were big, though, Joe, you wouldn't, boy. Bet you, man. I was bigger than my grandma. But I wouldn't blow up at it. Even if I was getting even if I was dead. I knew I was wrong. I knew if my. If I wanted to break loose or do something, I knew my grandma couldn't handle me.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

Right? Come on, man.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Right. I had too much respect. Respect for my grandmother ever raise my hand to. Ever raise my voice. There you go. At any adult, even them teachers at school.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, that's me, too. You got too much respect for your people, man. Your mom, grandma, your dad.

[Joe]

You ain't.

[Ocho]

Man, you ain't gonna be acting no fool like that.

[Joe]

I know you wouldn't. I mean, even. Even people that weren't your family members. Like I said, it was a community. It was a community back then.

[Uncle Joe]

A village.

[Joe]

They would correct you if you're doing something wrong. They'll say, son, you, son. You supposed to be doing that right, ain't you? Or ain't you marrying Barney grand boy? Yes, ma'.

[Ocho]

Am.

[Joe]

What do they know you? No, ma'.

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[Joe]

Okay. You want me to tell them? No, I sure don't. Please don't tell them.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you told you about correct.

[Joe]

Hell to pay, correct.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, back then, you get in trouble depending on where you at, depending on it's a family member or somebody that is close to your mama, your grandfather.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Your pops. They could whoop you.

[Joe]

Yeah, absolutely. What they saw you do, not only

[Uncle Joe]

can they whip you once, they tell your parents, then you get another whooping when you get home.

[Joe]

Absolutely 1,000%, Ocho. 1,000.

[Ocho]

Hey, let me tell y' all something. I could take a whooping from anybody in my family, bro.

[Joe]

But.

[Ocho]

But my auntie. My Aunt Sherry, she was a military lady.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

When I said she had. She got twins, Derek and Deborah. When I tell y' all this lady didn't play, I'm talking about. Cause she coming in there swinging extension cord. She ain't damn a belt. She coming there swinging that stitching cord. Ocho.

[Joe]

Train track.

[Ocho]

I'm talking about, if you in the way, your ass gonna get hit. I'm like this in the corner.

[Joe]

I'm like, damn. And you know, back then, they hit you with anything they hit, you pick up a shoe and throw it. That wooden spoon I thought I had was a drum. The way they hit me in my head with that spoon, the first thing

[Uncle Joe]

they get their hands on. Joe. Grandma.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Let me tell you, when you get in trouble. I'm just saying, for me, I'm not sure how anybody else, you know, Haney Bous was raised. When I get in trouble, especially when it came to school and I came home, the first thing she say is, lay right here on my lap. It took forever. It took forever, me to get on that knee.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Lay on her lap. But she.

[Joe]

She put.

[Uncle Joe]

She put me on one leg, right? And she take the other leg and wrap it around to where it's locked right behind the knee joint. So I can't move, huh? So it's like I'm stuck in a sense. Man, listen, man. Hey, I. I never forget that. I never forget them whooping, boy.

[Joe]

It's.

[Ocho]

It's some whoopings that I've seen. I ain't necessarily had, but it's whooping that I've seen, that I'm still scarred to this day. I ain't lying to y'.

[Julian Edelman]

All.

[Ocho]

Let me tell y' all something. It was Christmas. Around Christmas, my cousin, them. They pinching the bottom of the prisons trying to see what they got. Yeah, my auntie done figured all that out. When I tell y', all, she came in there swinging that stitching cord while I was in the corner. I'm like, I ain't touched nothing. I'm talking about.

[Uncle Joe]

There was some good days, man.

[Joe]

But I'll outlook everybody that I knew in my family. That's how my uncles raised their kids.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's how my gr. Because that's how they were raised. So I didn't know any different.

[Uncle Joe]

I thought.

[Joe]

Hell, I just. Everything that I saw, my uncle, they didn't play that. Especially Thornhill, because the Thornell. Thornell was the oldest Rest his soul. He passed. And then my mom. They were. They were close. They were third. I was born in 40. Mama born in 43. So they were the oldest. Because back then, the oldest son, there was a great chance he wasn't gonna finish school. He gonna be working with the great. He gonna be working with the man in the fields. If they will put wood and they dip in tar, whatever the case may be, he's gonna be doing that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The oldest girl was gonna help the mom raise the kids.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

She gonna learn how to cook. She gonna learn how to clean. She's gonna learn how to wash clothes. She. Because that was her job, her responsibility. Because my grandma was going right back to the field.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

To pick cotton. And as the other kids got older, guess where they are. In the fields with my grandma.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They didn't play that. All that talking back, boy, you couldn't. Don't slam no dough. Don't stomp your feet, don't suck your teeth. Don't roll your eyes nothing, boy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, boy, if Barney park. Lord, I wish my brother here tell y' all the story. That man didn't play. Not what he's even his own grant. His own kid.

[Ocho]

Grown.

[Joe]

Grown. Got kids.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't. Don't nobody disrespected that man. I'm talking about. Nobody go to Glenville, Georgia, and ask anybody my from the ages of 70 old back down. So tell us about Mr. You know, anybody. Think about Marty Porter, man. Mr. Barney didn't play. He sure didn't. He didn't play the drums. He damn sure ain't played with nobody. Kids all that kid. That's why I get all that. Kiki, kid.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm with you on that. My uncles, my aunties, my grandma, grandpa, man, they ain't play them games, bro.

[Joe]

And that's. That's what I've been telling Ocho. I said, I didn't grow up like that.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

All that playing. Cause they would say, stop all that playing before somebody get mad.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause when somebody get mad, I'm gonna get mad and I'm gonna tear both your asses up.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, the funniest thing I never forget. Joe, Joe and Unc, man, as a little kid, you know, my grandma, she's singing in a choir. So if she's singing in a choir, that means she all the way up there. I'm out there in the pews.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

So I know. Well, she can't get to me right now. Yeah, man, I'M in there playing around, man, with my little brother in church. I never forget Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Overtown. And they singing. And me and him, we back there tussling, playing around.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

In church. And she stopped moving. Quiet, Going back and forth, swaying. Yeah, they should stop swaying and just look.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Turn into a ventriloquist.

[Uncle Joe]

What?

[Joe]

Because my grandma could talk without moving the lips.

[Uncle Joe]

Ocho, man.

[Joe]

Cause we had. You had to be on the first or the second pew, the benches, pews, whatever you guys call them. Yeah, you had to be on the first one or the second one. You know, be a spec. You know, I'll tell you.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

My grandma, my grandma in deaconess corner. Yeah, boy. My grandma a. When you get home. I like you cousin in the church. I must have to hear that. Good boy. When we got home.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Barney, Mary ain't. Ain't play like that. And so I. I think you know what. And I said, I was telling you guys the other day, I think that's a lot of all that playing that keep. Because he didn't do that. He didn't do. He didn't. Hey, he wasn't about no cracking no jokes, man. We going fishing one day, we pull up there with my grandfather pumping gas, and the dude say, all right, Mr. Barney, don't catch them all. Oh, Lord, you think that man called that man? Oh, Lord. Oh, you know if. Hey, you know if everybody said, hey, don't catch a ball.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, man.

[Joe]

My granddad put that car that put that truck in park and cussed that and call that man everything. Hey, you know, my grandfather had false teeth also.

[Ocho]

Oh, he had his teeth.

[Joe]

He had his teeth on the dash

[Ocho]

in that glass cup.

[Joe]

No, they were the Kleenex. He had him in Kleenex.

[Ocho]

Oh, he had him in Kleenex.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Had him in Kleenex.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Mr. Barney, you better catch your teeth before they run away. I think me and spanking. I look at spanking, spanking, look at me. I said, why you keep playing with. He said, man, I don't told you. I'm a grown ass man. I don't play. Yeah, like that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Stop playing with me.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Before I hurt you.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe]

he meant that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause look here, my grandfather was. I think Uncle Willie was the young. Was the baby. So papa probably was like the knee baby. Yeah, that's an older brother and sisters. Yeah, my grandfather. My grandfather had a thing. Don't thump a kid. He'd always say, don't thump a kid on his head. You make him thick head. Yeah, he won't learn. I ain't gonna make it. Hey, you ain't gonna learn. Come he got a problem or he ain't gonna learn. Yeah, but he had a. He'd always tell he didn't play that. Don't thump the kid on the head. My grandfather we on the front porch, me spanking and his brother. I ain't gonna call his name. He thumping. Oh, stop, Uncle. I said, I call his name. Papa was in the bed. He thumped me again. I said, ow. Stop thumping me. After a while, my grandfather slept naked. After a while you could hear the chains jiggling. He putting on them coveralls. Yeah, I ain't never seen wear anything but coveralls.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he wear the.

[Joe]

The one with the strap like junior samples. Yeah, he had the full. The full cover arms.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I heard him putting them on.

[Joe]

Came out there. He said. He said, I've been told you. I said, I told you don't thump the boys on the head. You make them thick headed. They won't learn. Yeah, he said, if you thump it one more time, I' ma blow your brains out. He got in his car and left. He never came back. I probably was about five. My grandfather. That was three years when my grandfather died. He ain't going to church to look at him. He was at the church, but he ain't even go in there. When I say Barney Porter ain't play as a kid. Well, most of the kids, yeah. I mean, ain't nobody left but the older kids. Thurnell gone, BJ gone, Gladys Pass, Marinell Pass and Thermal Pass. So five of them gone. Ain't nobody left with Jane, Shermardine, Mama and James. He did not play. He would if he. If he told you something, set your clock back.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

If he told you if you at church and he told you he gonna tear your ass up when you got home, just know it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, if he.

[Joe]

You uptown and you acting a fool. I got a dude kid pushed me, man, that you can push me. I put. I pushed him so hard, man. Skin all his knees up. The only difference was they always catch the guy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, man.

[Joe]

The principal got me and whipped me.

[Ocho]

Oh, man,

[Joe]

guess what? I went right home. I was. Hey, I was cool. I got about halfway home. I started crying. And I got off that bus. Boy, what's wrong with you? He had a deep. He had a deep. Boy. Boy, what's wrong with you? That boy pushed me down. I pushed it back. Papa and Mr. Such and so whipped me we got the car. We got the car. Went right back up there. So you put your hands on his boys again. I ain't had no problems when I said that, man didn't play.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Ocho]

Amen.

[Joe]

But that's the discipline. So I was used to, like, coaches. Grab your face back. Son, do you hear me talking to you? Son, do you hear me talking? Oh, Joe, you know you'll hear me talking to you. Well, damn, I heard you from the sideline.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I hear you,

[Joe]

but. But if that's what you grew up with. But I just like, man, I sure want to be a good enough player one day. A coach won't yell at me like, I can say, no. Don't yell at me like that. Don't coach me like that. That's what I was thinking when I was a little kid. They yell at everybody, man.

[Ocho]

That's how you just had to take it. Yeah, that's how it was.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Uncle Joe, y' all ever saw a matter of fact chat, too? Y' all ever saw the documentary Year of the Bull?

[Ocho]

No, I ain't seen.

[Uncle Joe]

Never saw that, man. I mean, if you ever get opportunity. Joe. Uncle, you be busy. Joe. If you ever get opportunity, watch the documentary chat. I'm not sure if y' all seen it called the Year of the Bull. And it. And it's. It's a. It's a visual reference on how we are coached regardless of what inner city school you go to, regardless of what optimist club you go to down here in Miami. Yeah, it's exactly like that. Yeah, it ain't pretty. And if you watch it in today's time, in today's era, you'd be like, anyone. Hell, anybody can do that to my child or do it to my kid. No, but that's. That's the way it was.

[Joe]

People kill hell at you about the kids. Now, you do that to you. You do that to somebody, kid. Yeah, boy, they kill hell out you, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, if you. If you see that, you.

[Joe]

You.

[Uncle Joe]

If you see that, you'd be like, oh, hey. Oh, hell, nah. But, hey, them coaches. And it obviously is about Miami, Northwestern, you know, back in the day, the way they. The way they coach slapping the kids, coaching the kid, fighting on the field, every. Everything on camera.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, but you know Coach hall, who coached my brother, Coach hall coached my mom. My mom graduated in 1960. I graduated in 86. Coach hall coached my mom. My high school coach coached my mom. He coached all my uncles. He. He taught driver's ed. But he was a Coach Hall. Coach Hall. Ain't his whole favorite word. Sucker.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He called somebody. He called you a sucker quick. But he, he had the right temperament.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

To be a coach and everybody knew it. He coached everybody that grew up. Coach Hall, Coach their coach, their mom, their dad and went to school with their grandma and granddad. So they knew coach hall.

[Ocho]

And

[Joe]

he from Savannah. Now, mind you, Savannah, Glenville is 65 miles from Savannah. For 50 years, he drove from Savannah to Glennville every day and drove back home. Sometimes he would drive to Glenville. We'd have a track meet in Savannah. Take us to the track meet, drive us back to Glenville, drop everybody off. I was the last one he dropped off.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Drive back, get his car and drive back to Savannah and be back to Glenville.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

So every hall of fame I've been in, he's been there. Super bowl, all the. He's been there. That's the kind of. That's the kind of coach.

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[Joe]

Because I you know, hey, I started to get good Joe. I start to smell myself.

[Ocho]

Yeah yeah, I already know it. I already know it.

[Joe]

Hey hey I quit. Or at least threaten to. North Carolina's search for the next head coach has landed in an unexpected place as the Tar Heels intend to hire longtime NBA coach Michael Malone as the school next head coach. Malone is an NBA champion from his time with the Denver Nuggets, won 510 games in 12 seasons. He's one of the most respected tacticians in the NBA and spent the past 10 months as an ESPN analyst. Malone hasn't coached college since he was an assistant at Manhattan in 2001. He was also assistant at Providence from 95 to 98, in Oakland from 94 to 95. According to ESPN, Malone's reputation as a coach is high in NBA circles and having the respect of UNC legends Michael Jordan and Roy Williams played a role in the hire. Joe nor knowing how Carolina normally hires, they like to keep it in the family. If you think about it, they went from coach Coach Smith to Guthrie to Matt Daugherty. I think they had Peterson, and then they got old Roy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then they turned it over to Hubert Davis.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think.

[Joe]

I think that. I think that's the succession. Who came in after Matt Daugherty. Before you go, Joe. Okay, so there was no there. So it went for Roy, came after Matt Daugherty, and then it went Hubert Davis. So you like this high, Joe?

[Ocho]

Hey, I love this high, Uncle Ocho. You know, Mike Malone is a proven winner, obviously. We. We know he's won an NBA championship on the highest level. He's coached mvp, Nikola Jokic, you know, All Stars like Jamal Murray. And when y' all look at it now, hey, we know college is a professional sport, bro. This ain't. This ain't just regular college no more. So you want a coach who's well respected, you know, who these recruits are going to idolize and look up to and want to, you know, come to North Carolina. North Carolina is a prestige. Is a prestige school, man. So they trying to get back on the winning track. I thought this was a great hire. Hey, look, and another point is the portal opens tomorrow. Yep, the basketball portal opens tomorrow. So now you got a coach who's in the driver's seat, and now he can go out and get some players. Because y' all know it's probably about 2,000 players in the portal right now.

[Joe]

And the thing is, Joe, you gotta have a coach on hand when the portal opens.

[Ocho]

You got to.

[Joe]

You can't wait. It can't. You can't hire somebody on Wednesday. You can't hire somebody on Thursday. You've got to have somebody in place when that portal open and says, okay, we got our guy. Because you can't go to a kid and says, we're thinking about hiring X, Y, and Z. The kids want to know who they could potentially be playing for outside of the. How much. How much you got for your boy?

[Uncle Joe]

Okay, now we talking about.

[Joe]

Outside of that. Ocho. That's the first thing. How much you got? How much and how many minutes? That's what I need to know. Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Joe and Unc. That's the first thing I'm gonna say, right? Listen, I know Mike Malone, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Very respected. Well respected in the circles when it comes to NBA. He's won a championship. He coached one of the greatest, if not one of the greatest, big men of all time in the Cola Yoko.

[Ocho]

Yes, yes.

[Uncle Joe]

That has no bearing and no weight. Is not going to pull any strings being the hiring Head coach at North Carolina. You got to pay to play, you got to pay to win. You understand the landscape of college basketball right now and football in general. In order to get those players in there, you got to come with the bag.

[Ocho]

Hello.

[Uncle Joe]

We respect what you've done in the NBA. We expect y' all keeping it in the family when it comes to hiring coaches at North Carolina. But you have to understand, open up your checkbook if you want to get the players to come. Now, just because you hired Mike Malone doesn't mean you're going to have success. Yeah, it doesn't mean that. Now, I respect him and what he's done in the NBA. I respect that. The players probably respect that as well. But how much are you paying me to come here? Even though it's a prestigious school, we know what you've done. We understand the players that's come there before, but times are different now. Yeah, you got to pay to win, and that's what it come down to.

[Joe]

And some of these guys, Joe's like, hey, I'll make me about four or five million dollars in case I don't make it to the NBA. I got a great. A great head start on life. Because, you know, sometimes your parents be able to give you, like, hey, my kids, they got a head start. They had no college debt, and they had a car already taken care of, so they got a head start. Everybody got, you know, within a month or two, they had jobs already lined up, but they had no college debt and they had a car, so they got hit. So a guy's like, hold on. I ain't make the NBA. Now, I can go to the G League. I can go overseas, but if not, I can go ahead and start my. Whatever I got my degree in or whatever the case may be. I've got me a nice little egg. Nice. A little nest egg.

[Uncle Joe]

I got 500.

[Joe]

I got a million dollars stashed away. Yeah, I can get me a great start if I can just wait until the job that I really want get to come to fruition. This is how these guys think. You're business people now. Yeah, all that. Student athlete.

[Ocho]

Damn, that. Yeah, you right.

[Joe]

Y' all try to do. To talk about student athletes. Y' all didn't care nothing about nobody getting no books until they started getting some money. And now y' all try to put student. Put emphasis on student athletes.

[Ocho]

Nah.

[Joe]

Which one of them got an academic scholarship, walked on to the football team because they already had a degree, already had a college tuition paid for. Now the college tuition Is paid for because of those academic. Because of the football or that basketball or that baseball. So y' all keep that student athlete board job. I'm an athlete that happened to be. Have to be a student.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And we know that even though the portal open tomorrow, we know teams already been working.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, they've been talking.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

They.

[Ocho]

They gonna act like, you know, tomorrow, the first day, but hell, they've been. They've been recruiting since the tournament started. You hear me?

[Joe]

Yeah. Teams, they don't sleep them a little something, Joe. They don't sleep them a little something.

[Ocho]

Yeah, y' all already know what's going on. They locked in because, look, think about it. We've never seen North Carolina. Obviously. You know, they gonna have a lottery pick. They gonna have a top four or five pick this year in Caleb Wilson. But for the most part, they always have great players at North Carolina. You know what I mean? North Carolina, Duke, those. Those blue blood teams always keep great talent. So with Mike Malone at the helm, Uncle Ocho, I'm sure he gonna be looking forward to bringing in some great talent putting, you know, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, back. Back on the map for sure.

[Joe]

Yeah. You know, Joe, they're not getting the. Because of the. The one and done the nil. The talent is more spread out. You know, before Joe, they only went to like a handful of school.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

North Carolina, Duke, Kansas got first pick and then another five or ten guys kind of spread out all over the place. But Duke, Carolina and. And Kansas and Kentucky got picked. They got. It was like a summer. If you ain't have no money, you got to wait everything unscrapped over. People don't try to hit show. And now they're like, man, these shows don't feel like no 30s. They feel like more like a 32, 34. Because everybody will squeeze their ass little bit. You could you. Your mom ain't had no money to put it on layaway. So you get what everybody done picked over. Go ahead, Ojo.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Uncle Joe, Just like you said, right? It's a business, right? And when it comes to business, right. When you got goddamn bees, what's the best way to attract bees? With the goddamn honey.

[Ocho]

Honey. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

So the college landscape is goddamn even now with players going all over the place. So if you understanding that, now that you understand, it's a goddamn business, Hell, goddamn supply and demand. The more you open up your pocket, the more players you can get to come to your school now thinking just because it's North Carolina, thinking just because we have the Jordan brand thinking, just because we. We hired Mike Malone, you know, who's well respected in the circles in the NBA, that's not gonna cut it.

[Ocho]

Still got.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, it ain't. It ain't cut it for how many coaches they had before Hubert Davis?

[Joe]

Well, Roy, that's why, you know, you see a lot of coaches talking about, you know, I want to spend more time with my family. But I guarantee you, if Nil hadn't come into a place and you still had the upper hand, there'd be coaching.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, they'd be coaching. Y' all already know what's going on. Hey, but look, they going. Hey, they going after these. These guys that's in the portal, that has experience, who's been in college, who are juniors and seniors. You look at Michigan, people gonna copy this, man. You know what I mean? You want guys who not scared, who understands what college basketball is like and gonna come out and compete. So, hey, man, if you're a freshman, you gotta be a five star and you gotta be that boy. You hear me? Yes. You wanna come in and play, boy, you gonna. Hey, you're gonna have to be that boy.

[Joe]

And. And the fact of the matter is, Joe, is that a guy that's in the portal. He's already been to college. He already knows he has study hall. He already knows he has to lift weights. He already knows he has to condition. He already knows he has to go to class. So I don't have to have. I don't have to like. Boy, I sure hope he go to class. I sure hope he go to study hall. I sure hope he does conditioning. That guy's already done that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, if I'm paying.

[Joe]

Look here, if I'm paying you, I ain't finna try. Look here. Ain't no on the job training, no Joe. No, you come.

[Uncle Joe]

You gotta come ready.

[Joe]

Experience. Hey, when I got my job application, experience required. Yeah, don't you bring your ass on here. Think somebody gonna teach you what to do and get. Hey, okay, I'll teach you what to do, but you're gonna be on an hour salary. You damn sure not gonna be salaried.

[Ocho]

Hey, look, the one thing y' all know is, you know, it take a while. Even, Even the top freshmans, it take them a while to understand how to compete at the highest level. How to. How to play defense, how to play the right way. Hey, bro, it ain't just about you. You know what I mean? Like, we got guys who've been in college three, four, Years already, You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

So it's a learning curve for a lot of these young cats. And man, it's gonna be fun to watch. I'm looking forward to see what Mike Malone, you know, pull out his hat as far as who he gonna get out this portal, what kind of guys he gonna bring in, what type of system he gonna run and what it's gonna be like.

[Joe]

But if you look what Arizona coach and the Michigan coach, and a lot of these coaches says, I'm not interested. Because I mean, it used to be if this job opened up 10, 15 years ago, every coach would have been interested in it.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Matter of fact, that ain't the case now.

[Joe]

Nah, that ain't the case now.

[Ocho]

As a matter of fact, they probably would have kept it in the family too.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I just think now, like I've said before, with it being a professional sport, you want a guy who's proven who you know, that you know these cats gonna respect. And that's what it was about.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And you look at, because the coaches, now they're looking at, hold on, I can go build a program with the portal. I can go build something like Signetti and become the second highest paid coach and make it almost 12, $13 million a year. I don't have to go to one of these Blue Buds because you know what? Other schools pay money too now. They went to Portal and we got famous alumni. You got Mark Cuban who went to Indiana.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So you got these guys like, okay, this, hey, if you guys want to compete with the big dogs, this is what it's going to take. And as everybody loves a winner, nobody has a problem spending money as long as we're winning.

[Uncle Joe]

Winning.

[Joe]

When the winning stops, the funds dry up.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Hey, hey. And it's been reported that, you know, his daughter played Mike Malone. Daughter plays volleyball at North Carolina too. Yeah, see, she on the volleyball team. It's a win, win for him. Yep. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

So, man, well, now I gotta take off scholarship. Your daddy coach here, he could pay for your way. So I get somebody, I get somebody else. That's. Yeah, yeah, but that's normally what happens anyway. You know, you got a kid, your son or your daughter is a student at there. Your dad is a coach. Hey, he probably take it though. I say that tongue and cheek. Let me stop because everybody go, man. You hear what shutter shop saying? He said that North Carolina should revoke Mike Malone's daughter and he should have to pay for it. Out of his pocket. I said that. Tongue in cheek.

[Ocho]

Again.

[Joe]

The Michigan Wolf take down the UConn Huskies. 69, 63. Michigan wins this, the program's first national championship in 89, and becomes the first team to beat UConn in the Sweet 16 or later since 2009. Dusty May wins it all in only a second year as Michigan head coach, just the fifth head coach in NCAA history to become a champion within his first two seasons at a school. Joe, you pick Michigan. Last night. You felt they were going to be. They were going to win this ball game. They put three guys in double figures. Neither team shot the ball well from the floor. Neither team shot the well from three. It was an outstanding defensive game. A lot of challenges, a lot of block shots, some steals. What did you like? How did Michigan. How was Michigan able to overcome? Because we know UConn is proven, especially in moments like this.

[Ocho]

Man, Michigan is a. A great defensive team, Uncle Ocho, and they. And they showed it tonight. Big Mara down there in the paint. Yeah, he gave Reed problems tonight. Re. Averaging. Excuse me. Reed was averaging a double. Double, like 20 and 11, something like that. It's just the length that he possessed, obviously, his offensive paralysis that he has. And he's a great pick and roll. Michigan got a. They got good bigs.

[Joe]

They had.

[Ocho]

They got great bigs and they got good point guard play tonight from Elliot, which I thought that's what got him over the hump. I thought Elliott being aggressive, getting in the paint, getting in the teeth of their defense, causing havoc, keeping guys in foul trouble and throwing lobs to the big fellas. Look, neither team shot great tonight. It was an ugly game, Uncle Olsen, I ain't gonna lie. It was an ugly game. But the defense that Michigan played, man, they scored easy buckets off of, you know, their defense thriving and getting out in transition, getting easy baskets, and they got guys who don't been there. I think this is. This is a great win for Michigan considering the fact that I think all these guys, all the starting five, come out the transfer portal. Ojo. Yeah. These guys ain't been to Michigan. This was their first year. So kudos to their coach, man, for getting these guys together and playing championship basketball. It was fun to watch. But. But this was. This was a defensive game tonight.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think. I think, Joe, I think. And Ochobi, I'm gonna turn over to you. I think we can both agree, I think everybody agreed that both of these teams play outstanding defense.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They get up into you, they contest shots. Nothing is easy. You're gonna get contested at the rim because if you think you're gonna get layups, you got another thing coming. And I think that had a lot to do with the one. Yukon shooting 31%. Michigan shooting 38% from the floor. Michigan. Michigan shooting 13% from the three. Yukon shooting 27% from the three. And I think that has a lot to do because there were not a whole lot of open looks, and even layups were getting contested. Yeah, I thought. I thought the refs did a great job of letting him play also. Ocho. Go ahead, Ojo.

[Uncle Joe]

Now, I was going to say the refs did a great job of letting them play. Obviously, like Joe said, it was a very, very ugly game. Neither team shot the ball well. Neither team shot the ball well, Joe. But defensively, defensively, UConn played. Played defense well. Michigan played defense well. But when points had. Needed to be had at the time they need to be made. Yeah, Michigan came on the winning end. Towards the end of the game, I thought UConn might. Might get that UConn magic again and somehow come back and maybe make it a little bit closer, maybe have an opportunity to win. But Michigan held on. Held on towards the end. I mean, it was an enjoyable game for me watching it was kind of ugly, but it was exciting. I guess if you're a basketball purist, especially a college basketball purist, this is a game that you could enjoy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I'm going to be honest with y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

I never thought UConn was going to win the game. You know, from. From the second half, I just thought Michigan experience that they have a lot of juniors and seniors. They had one freshman come off the bench, which was McKinney, but for the most part, man, they controlled the whole game. Uncle and Ocho, they got what they wanted. If they wanted to get in the paint and make a play, they did that. They crashed the glass. I just thought collectively, you know, they. Everybody stepped up. Their best player. Lindbergh, he didn't, you know, he didn't play great, but he played great enough for him to win. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

He had 13, huh? He had 13 points.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Due to the injury that he's dealing with that mcl. For him to come out and play, like, if this was regular season, he probably would have set out, so probably, you know, they showed a lot of toughness tonight, man. I mean, this was a great win for them. Shout out to Michigan and shout out to Connecticut as well, man. I thought, you know, I thought they came ready to play, but for the most part, Michigan just was too overwhelming for them.

[Joe]

The thing that started to concern me, Ocho, and Joe, is that UConn started crashing the glass in the second half. They started getting second chance points, and I'm like, damn, Michigan, y' all right there. You got three guys right there. And somehow the ball. UConn guy has the ball and he lays it back in. So I started to get a little concerned about the second chance points as UConn started to get those re offensive rebounds. But. And again, they had this nine point lead. The next thing you know, it's a four point lead.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, my goodness. And if you notice, Michigan had a guy deep. Guy's like, I ain't throwing that ball. Damn. Damn. Y' all tied me up. Y' all get a foul, but I am not throwing this ball. I learned my lesson last time. The last thing I want to do is to have that thing tipped. He had two guys back there. He did. I ain't throwing this ball. I am not.

[Ocho]

And the funny thing is, he had just missed two free throws. He did. Yeah. So for him not to throw it, I was like, wow. For him to hold that ball and get fouled again, I'm like, shh. I probably would have got up off that day. I just made two. If I just missed two free throws, ain't a lot of cats who gonna want to go back to that line.

[Joe]

Nah, nah. You're absolutely right about that. And then have their heads up flat

[Ocho]

at the very end.

[Joe]

He got the rebound at the end and threw it down and said, by the time y' all hustle this down, the clock gonna be over with. So don't even worry about it. Don't. Don't even waste your time trying to bring it back up. But this was. This was. This is what we expected to see. I'm glad we saw this. I was like, man, please don't let us see what we saw yesterday in the women's game, where we go to ucla, South Carolina, we get a blowout. I said, that's the last thing that we need to see. And so I was glad that we're able to see a very intense, very well played. The officials had no bearing on the ball game because you always worry about that people having, well, the official call, this call, and you see a file here, and everybody's slowing it down. I thought the game was officiated very well.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I did.

[Joe]

The game was officiated very well. I thought he let the kids determine the outcome of the Ball game. And in a game of this magnitude, that's all you could ask for. Let the combatants on the field determine the outcome of the game. Now, I understand that there's. Sometimes they're going to be a foul. They're going to be things, and you got to call it, because a lot of times, Ocho, you and I were on there when we had the. The. The Kansas City Eagles game.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

And Bradford held it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Bradford is in the locker room telling y'. All. Yeah, I held him. I was hoping they wouldn't call it, though. No, he. He said it. The official, even the referee came out in the pool. He said, hey, the guy went in, and as juju was trying to uncover back, he tugged his jersey, and the back judge saw. He saw it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Called it. So I like this. You know, sometimes calls have to be made in crucial junctures of the game.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And everybody's like, well, swallow your whistle. But you can't swallow. It's too important.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That was too obvious, too egregious of a play to swallow it. But in this game right here, I thought they let the kids play, and Michigan kids played a little bit better than UConn. I agree. I agree.

[Ocho]

I like that the officials let those guys play. It was a physical game. A lot of missed shots, which calls for a lot of, you know, bodies falling, hitting the ground. I'm glad the refs kept their composure, man. And really, it really didn't dictate the game. I agree with you. It was. It was a great game to watch, man.

[Joe]

And if you think about it. If you think about it, guys, Michigan was extremely aggressive. They shot 28 free throw attempts.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And they. They. They cash. They were 25 or 23. So prior to the guy missing two, Joe, they had only missed one free throw.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

You see, guys, five or five. Eight. Two for two. Eight or nine. Four for four. Four for four. Two for four. So you were getting. That's what you. That's what. When the clock is stopped, I got to cash into these.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I got to get those. I got to get those points.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And Michigan did an unbelievable job. Congratulations to the Wolverines. Lindenberg said, hey, we think we the best team. I think they got a case. He showed a very compelling case.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

To say they're the greatest Michigan team that came through the University of Michigan. I understand the first team won. Lloyd Vod and Glenn Rice and Terry Mills, Sean Higgins, Ramil Robinson. But what this team was able to do, 37, three. And who they beat along the way, they beat number one Michigan. They beat, excuse me, they beat number one Arizona. They beat UConn who had won two of the three last national championships. They were just unbelievable throughout the tourney and a very, a very hard fought win that they earned and they are the national championship. The University of Michigan reign supreme of men's college basketball. 69, 63 over the Yukon Huskies. The Husky was trying to do something that only coach Wooden can say he's done. Yeah, that's when three championships in four years. Maybe Coach Rupp done it in the, in the 40s, but no modern coach. When you look at, when you look at Coach K, you look at coach Smith and Roy Williams and Bobby Knight and there have been some really, really good college coaches along the way. Billy Donovan, none of these guys could have said they won three championships in a four year span. And Michigan took down a very, a very Haiti team. They're led by, you know, a bunch of seniors. They do coach early does a great job of coaching these guys. They played, they're well conditioned, they trap, they, they, they get up into people. But tonight belong belong to the Michigan Wolverines. Check this stat out, Joe. Michigan scored 61 or the of their 69 points either in the paint or from the free throw line.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, look at that Michigan team, right? With most of those players coming out the portal, coming from other schools. Who do you see that might any lottery picks in there? What you think that can make a difference at the next level?

[Ocho]

Yeah, they got, they got. I don't know if they're gonna be lottery picks, Ocho, but they got some first rounders in here.

[Joe]

Meaning like Lindenberg, probably be a lot late. Lindenberg.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Mara at 7:3. You can't teach height.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He going. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

You can't teach height. He can help any team in the league. I mean with that presence. And he ain't really no big stiff on the block. He got a few moves.

[Joe]

No, he moved.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but defensively, yeah, I've seen him, I've seen him switching on the pick and roll, guard and guards. But defensively he's gonna, he can help anybody, man. They, you right, Ocho. They got some, they got some, they got some first round pick.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

If you think about it, Ocho, remember we was on the car when they had big edie at Purdue. 7 4. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's more agile than Edie. Joe. In the mark draft they got Lindenberg going 13 to the Heat. They got Mara going 23rd to the Hawks.

[Ocho]

Oh, okay. All right, all right, Mara, we. We might can do something with you down here in the ATL.

[Joe]

What? And Johnson Jr going 27th to the Celtics.

[Ocho]

Hey, look, this game, though, I ain't gonna lie, it was an ugly game. Cause for Michigan to shoot 13% from the 3 and 38% from the field, man, it's hard to win games like that. But when you sitting in that chair and you shot blocking, you defending, and you making the game ugly. And UConn shot 32%, 28 from three. Hey, this ball game could have went either way, but. But, yes, I feel like UConn, they never caught a rhythm.

[Joe]

They never got.

[Ocho]

They shooters. They shooters never caught a rhythm. If y' all really watch this game, you'll see how Michigan switched everything.

[Joe]

Switched everything.

[Ocho]

I seen Mara out there guarding Mullins one time, way out there on the perimeter.

[Joe]

As soon as they come, as soon as they try to hit us with a slip, the guy's already pointing. Go. Don't even worry. Don't even worry about it.

[Ocho]

Go. Hey, that's why we watch film. We know everything they gonna do. They like to run these back, these back picks, these slips. Yeah. And we ain't giving these dudes nothing. We already know the game plan. We gonna be out there before you even get out there. So I thought it was a great game plan by Michigan, man. Them dudes came to play, they understood what was at stake. And Michigan national champs, bro. Yep.

[Joe]

The Wolverines, 36 point paint. Point paints were the most allowed by UConn all tournament long. That's a big team, man. You got seven, three Mar. You got Lindenberg, you got guys, the eight.

[Ocho]

I like Johnson, too.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Ocho]

I like Johnson, too. Johnson played great.

[Joe]

Yeah, he did.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They had a lot of guys step up and play big, score some big baskets, played great defense. I thought they were really in tune tonight.

[Joe]

Yeah. I thought. Mar. Early on, Joe, he was on the. He was on the right block. He didn't score. He was spinning towards the baseline, throwing it with the left. I said, if you want that shot, go to the other side and spin to the baseline and throw it with your right.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

So that's the only thing I was like, bro, that's twice that you had that shot point blank and you've missed it. Go to the other side.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And throw it with your dominant hand.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Unless you. Jokic. Jokic is really the only guy that can consistently throw that shot, that little soft baby hook, because his touch is so phenomenal. He might have some of the best touch that I've seen from a big man from about 10 foot and in.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Throwing the ball with either. And it looked like, bro, you just throwing that issue up there.

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[Joe]

But all I know is it goes in.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, look, I thought Reed battled Mara early on. He missed the first. Yeah, he missed them first couple post ups that he had. Mara did. I thought Reed done a great job. But as the game kind of went on, you know, he started to get to his spots. He called, he caught alive, he got some easy baskets.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

He was able to put his stamp on the game. So, man, I'm.

[Joe]

I'm.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. This was, this was a fun game to watch, bro. It was a fun game to watch.

[Joe]

Who was outstanding player? Lindenberg?

[Ocho]

Probably Elliot.

[Joe]

Damn. Who? Because if they go, if they go. Because I'm thinking they go by the entire tournament. Most outstanding player.

[Ocho]

They going by the tournament.

[Joe]

If it's the tournament, it's lexing, it's Lindenberg.

[Ocho]

Sometimes, sometimes they don't do that though. They go by straight the championship game. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

I'm saying, because if you look at, if you look at Joe, you look at Lauren Best yesterday, she got it. And Gabriella Hawke way outplayed her.

[Uncle Joe]

She went crazy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. So you might be right. You might. Who wanted, though? Uncle?

[Joe]

Do y' all know Elliot Cadeau won it?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Well,

[Joe]

this is. I mean, this is unbelievable. What's his classification? Is he coming back?

[Ocho]

You know, he came from Carolina. He came from North Carolina last year.

[Joe]

I know.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he came over, he got a

[Joe]

little cheese come out in the portal.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he jumped in that portal quick, didn't he, man?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, that little nil done paid off, huh?

[Ocho]

Ain't a man.

[Joe]

Literally and figurative. Because I won a national championship, I got a little cheese in my pocket, Right? That's the double. What's up, cousin?

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