Best of March Madness Part 2: Unc & Iso Joe CLOWN Duke for FUMBLING their Final Four chance on UConn's Game-Winner, T-Mac JOINS THE SHOW

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of March Madness Part 2

Episode Date: April 1, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Special Guest: Tracy McGrady (T-Mac), plus “Unc,” “Iso Joe,” “Uncle Ocho,” and others

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Club Shay Shay dives deep into the drama of March Madness, centering on Duke’s heartbreaking loss to UConn and expanding the conversation to NBA MVP candidates, historic scoring feats, league expansion, and the culture of basketball. Shannon Sharpe and the crew blend passionate analysis with playful banter, welcoming 7x NBA All-Star Tracy McGrady for insight on greatness, scoring, talent dilution, and basketball legacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Duke vs. UConn – Analysis and Fallout

[00:04 – 07:30]

• Duke’s Collapse Under Pressure:

  • The panel opens by dissecting Duke’s loss, highlighting their three potential lottery picks, especially Booze, but unanimously agree the team underachieved due to lack of veteran leadership and experience.
  • Quote: “You look at the talent that they’ve had, they’ve underachieved. I don’t care which... I don’t care anything about this.” (B, 00:04)

• Contrast With UConn’s Veterans:

  • UConn, Michigan, and Illinois all get praise for upperclassmen composure in high-stake moments.
  • “Yukon playing with juniors… and Duke got a freshman out there who ain’t never been in that environment.” (C, 01:17)

• Turning Point Moments:

  • Panel revisits the crucial turnover with 2 minutes remaining.
  • Quote: “Sometimes… just hold on to the ball. Joe. Make ’em foul you.” (B, 01:44)

• Painful Memories and Legacy Impact:

  • The turnover and subsequent UConn game-winner evoke painful sports moments (e.g., Billy Buckner, Jackie Smith).
  • Quote: “Things like that linger… because they’re gonna play this, Ocho. And I don’t know why Booze just didn’t hold on...” (B, 04:48)

• The Game-Winner:

  • The UConn three-pointer (“a shot from God”) that sealed the comeback is dissected, with admiration and agony.
  • Quote: “It took a shot from God, come on… bro had missed every three he took, and then he banged that one.” (B, 06:09)

• Emotional Reaction:

  • “I’m hurt for Duke… That one hurt… I feel bad for Booze.” (C/B, 08:03)

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2. March Madness Brackets & Banter

[08:06 – 10:27]

• Intense and humorous talk about busted brackets, rivalries, and “picking animals” for Final Four predictions.

• Quote: “All he did was pick animals.” (B, 09:23)

• Playful ribbing between the panel as they comfort/tease those with ruined brackets and discuss commercial opportunities for the Boozer twins.

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3. Final Four Preview & Importance of Big Men

[10:11 – 10:27]

• Panel notes that every remaining team needs a seven-footer to compete, foreshadowing the battles ahead.
• Quote: “If you ain’t got, you know, seven footer down there, you’re gonna be in some trouble.” (C, 10:11)

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4. Tracy McGrady Joins the Show

[10:27 – 14:11]

• T-Mac’s Entrance:
  • Tracy McGrady joins to hype and Florida-boy connections. Quickly clears the air about rumors he “fought” with Chad “Ocho” Johnson in a celebrity game: “We was out there playing, roughing each other up… We was just acting like Florida boys out there…” (A, 11:26)

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5. NBA MVP Race – Evaluating the Candidates

[13:25 – 18:49]

• T-Mac’s Criteria:

  • Most valuable to their team—emphasis on eye test and context, not just stats.

• Candidates:

  • Luka Doncic, Jokic, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA), Jalen Brown, Victor Wembanyama.

• Case for Jaylen Brown:

  • “No question” that Jaylen Brown is most valuable given Boston’s consistent excellence minus key stars.
  • “Most valuable player at this point to me still is Jalen Brown.” (A, 15:39)

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6. NBA Finals Predictions & Team Depth

[16:03 – 19:29]

• Boston and OKC as Frontrunners:
  • Injury depth and reliability make Boston T-Mac’s favorite in the East over New York.
  • In the West, Denver’s health issues (key absences) lead T-Mac to pick OKC in a surprise choice, with high praise for San Antonio’s future.

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7. The GOAT Debate: MJ, LeBron, and Kobe

[20:00 – 25:58]

• T-Mac Chooses Michael Jordan:

  • “For me, it’s MJ all day… It’s all about the eye test and what this man did, you know, night in and night out…” (A, 20:51)
  • Stresses the importance of era context: “All these guys are goats because they all was freaking great.” (A, 21:55)

• Describing Jordan’s Aura:

  • “MJ walks out of that locker room… it’s like he was glowing… that aura around him…” (A, 22:42)
  • Sharpe: “He was not walking. He was levitating…” (B, 24:14)

• Facing MJ on the Court:

  • T-Mac shares that his awe wore off only after repeated matchups but admits, “I had to get at least 40 on [Jordan], bro, before he stopped playing…” (A, 26:56)

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8. On Legendary Scoring – Bam’s 83-point Game

[27:36 – 34:22]

• Rarity of 80+ Point Games:

  • McGrady, Sharpe, and crew discuss Bam Adebayo’s 83 against the Wizards, skepticism over “how” it happened, but defend its historic value.

  • Quote: “The league has been around... only three [players] scored that many. Regardless of how he did it, it’s 83 points.” (A, 28:25)

• Pushback from Players:

  • Addresses criticism from past and current players, referencing Iman Shumpert’s take: “Don’t bring up 80 no more... that was a regular season game versus a tanking team...” (B, 32:11)

  • T-Mac’s stance: “That’s 83 points in an NBA game… That’s history… F. That. I’m talking about it forever. As a matter of fact, I’m changing my name. Mr. 83.” (A, 32:37, 32:47)

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9. NBA Expansion – Enough Talent for Two New Teams?

[35:23 – 49:17]

• Skepticism Over Talent Pool:

  • T-Mac argues expansion could dilute quality: “We don’t have the product, man. We just don’t have the product.” (A, 37:45)
  • Cites lack of depth hurting league excitement: “There are teams where you just don’t want to watch.”
  • Spotlights Cam Thomas’s case as a high scorer who couldn’t find a roster spot.

• Vegas and Seattle Expansion:

  • Believes success depends on shrewd roster construction and player discipline (especially in a city like Vegas).
  • Quote: “Vegas might be a little tricky, but WNBA players, the NFL players, it’s more strict… NBA players got too much downtime, dog.” (A, 49:48)

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10. The 1’s League – Tracy McGrady’s One-on-One Basketball Venture

[40:41 – 52:35]

• T-Mac’s Vision:
  • Explains his “Ones” league for one-on-one basketball, inspired by his own breakthrough at a high school camp.
  • Aims to provide a platform for overlooked talent—players who never got their NBA break but can hoop at a high level.
  • Describes providing ownership stakes to local basketball legends and celebrities for teams in their cities.
  • Quote: “There’s so many guys, so much talent and one-on-one out here, man, that I feel they should have that platform.” (A, 42:35)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You can’t even sleep at night behind something like this here.” (C, 01:56)
• “Sometimes, the clock is your friend… Turning the ball over is the enemy.” (B, 05:40, 05:45)
• “Shooters shoot. Shooters keep on shooting.” (D/C, 03:42–03:46)
• “It took a shot from God…” (B, 06:16)
• “33 years from now, kids will look at the scoring list and say, ‘Damn, Adebayo scored 83 points?’ They’re not going to care how it happened.” (A, 29:42)
• “We just don’t have the product. The league is weird, it’s strange, man.” (A, 47:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Duke-UConn breakdown: 00:04–07:30
• Bracket banter and Final Four preview: 08:06–10:27
• T-Mac joins the show: 10:27–14:11
• NBA MVP Race: 13:25–18:49
• GOAT Debate – MJ, LeBron, Kobe: 20:00–25:58
• Historic scoring (Bam’s 83, Kobe, Robinson): 27:36–34:22
• NBA expansion and talent pool: 35:23–49:17
• T-Mac’s Ones League: 40:41–52:35

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Episode Tone and Style

The conversation is unscripted, passionate, frequently hilarious, and full of both nostalgia and sharp basketball knowledge. The panel frequently rib one another, mixing in inside jokes, classic storytelling, and honest analysis. Tracy McGrady is engaging, thoughtful, and keeps it real—from explaining the “aura” of Michael Jordan to defending big scoring nights regardless of critics.

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If you want to relive March Madness drama, get sharp NBA debate, and hear firsthand from legends on and off the court—this episode delivers.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

You look at the guys, they probably got three guys that's going to be lottery pick. We know Booze is probably going to be a top three pick, Joe. And he's probably going to be college player of the year. But when you look at the talent that they've had, they've underachieved. I don't care which. I don't care. I don't care anything about this. And they're young and. And that's what we talk. We talked about this.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

UConn of the veteran ball club.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Michigan have veteran players.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Illinois. It's not an accident because when the rubber need to meet the road, you got to have somebody to be calm, cool and collected.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely right, man. Absolutely.

[B]

And you see, there's no way. And it seemed like when. When Yukon started to make some shots and started to make that run, it seemed like Duke got tighter and tighter, man. Got tighter and tighter. He got tighter and tighter. And when old boy hit that and one and cut it to two.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

With like two minutes to go. Now we got a ball game. All right, now we're gonna see. We gonna see if those shots that you were making when you was up 10, 12, 14.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's see if they go in now. Let's see if you still have the same conviction to shoot them when you was up double figures. Now you're only up 2. Let's see if you'll pull a. Joe, let's see if you'll pull from 22 now. Let's see if you. You try to snatch it when you from 16 now.

[C]

Hey, hey, hey. You absolutely right when you look at it. Yukon playing with juniors at the point guard at the 1 and 2 and dude got a freshman out there who ain't. Who ain't never been in that environment.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Been in that situation. I don't want to say he ain't been in an environment because he's been playing with his twin brother. And we know they've been under microscope for quite, quite some time. But the significance of this game, to have that turnover and it leads to. Come on, bro.

[B]

Sometimes you just hold on to the ball. Joe. Make em fire you.

[C]

Hey, I know you got two dudes wide open, but let them fire you, man. You gotta shoot them free throws. That's the one thing you don't want to do is turn that ball over.

[B]

That's the only way really you can get beat, bro.

[C]

You can't even. You can't even sleep at night behind something like this here.

[B]

Nah, it's tough.

[C]

Like, keep it 100.

[B]

You can't.

[C]

But Uncle Ocho, I was just telling y' all the other day about Evans. This is why I was skeptical. He can't have a hell of a game like he had the other day and then turn around and give us seven points, man? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Like, they need him. They needed him to at least give you 15, 16, bro. Like, booze gonna be booze. Like you. You could tell. Hey, he like. Like, uncle said he gonna be a top three pick, but he gonna have to have somebody come along for the ride, you know?

[B]

You.

[C]

You got a guy out there, plays 17 minutes, got a donut, he ain't even take a shot, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

He had that just. He got car. He got great Cardio. He got 17 minutes worth of cardio in.

[C]

That ain't enough, man. Like, I. I know. I know. They played well. They played well enough to win. Shot. Shot 52 from the field, 40 from the three. And UConn didn't play great. They played great when it mattered. You know what I mean?

[B]

When they needed it.

[C]

When they needed it, they came through, bro.

[B]

That. That. That.

[C]

That veteran presence that they have over there, it prevailed at the end, man.

[B]

And Mullins, bro, that Joker shoot all them threes, he was coming off pigs and was wide open. I was like, bro, I say, I. I say, hurley, if you call one more pin down and let this dude come out this pick and shoot a three and he airball. I say, him and Caravan.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

God dang. Now, you don't know how to shoot, Caravan. You've been knocking down three your whole damn career at UConn. And. And now you get in this game, you can't make one. Well, you keep coming off a pick after pick after pick. And then from 35 foot, he pull and bang, nothing but bottom of the net.

[D]

Hey, shoot or shoot, Joe? Ain't that what they say?

[C]

Yeah, shoot or shoot.

[D]

Hey, shooters keep on shooting.

[B]

They.

[C]

Hey, look, they ain't really have but, like, two. They had one guy who played pretty good, Reed and Smith.

[B]

Oh, Reed played out his damn mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

But outside of that Uncle Ojo did nobody else. I mean, Smith off the bench, 18 minutes, nine points, four for seven. But for the most part, man, this was a.

[B]

It got.

[C]

It got to be an ugly game.

[B]

But Duke. Duke kicking himself with all them damn turnovers. Yeah, you can't. You can't keep turn. You can't keep turning the ball over like that. And I, and I, I, I felt like. Okay. What concerned me was Duke on the glass, but it wasn't that big of a discrepancy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

34 to 28. You know, normally Duke is a plus 10, plus 15 on the glass because they, they, they, they killing you. Boozer normally has that. What's, what's the other big guy name? Do you know another big guy? Oh, he might have got hurt, but. Nah. But this, I mean, it's crazy. It is. You're never gonna be able to look. And I hate it. I hate when it's happened to young kids. We see it happen to professionals and we, you know, we talk about the Billy Buckner situation when he played with. Played the Mets and the ball went through his leg at first base. Jackie Smith went to the hall of Fame, but he's known for dropping the touchdown that would have beat the Steelers for the Cowboys. Things like that linger for. Because they're gonna, they're gonna play this Ocho. And I don't know why Booze just didn't hold on to make it come foul you.

[C]

Yeah, he had two guys ahead of him.

[A]

That was wild.

[C]

So I know he was trying to get off the ball so they couldn't foul and they can get something easy. But bro, that little tip that, that

[B]

deflection that they got, that was the

[C]

deflection of the season, bro.

[B]

Yep. They were dead.

[C]

They was out of there.

[B]

Oh, all. Hey, hey, if, hey, Joe, if he do this, I'm hold. You know what, Joe? I just sometimes, sometimes instead of throwing it, you know what I'm saying? Oo. Instead of maybe he drop it.

[C]

You know what?

[B]

I'm just gonna slide down and let the clock keep moving because the clock is my friend.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The clock is not my enemy. The clock my friend. In that situation, going out of bounds is the enemy. Turning the ball over is the enemy enemy. Yeah, that's almost. Look, and I understand. It took a. Bro, it took a shot from God. Come on. It took. I mean, I mean, come on, it took it. That's what it took, bro. Hit. I mean, bro had missed every three he taken. He took a. And then he banged that one.

[D]

The one that mattered. 35.

[B]

That hurt nothing but net.

[D]

Hey, hey, Joe, he let that. Hey, his release was so goddamn quick when he let that thing go too.

[B]

He had no choice.

[C]

Oh, hey, man.

[B]

Cuz he deflected it and got it to the other guy. And hey, he. But you know what, Joe? What it is is that trailer. Remember the trailer in Villanova North Carolina.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The guy breaking it up to court, the guy that took it out of bounds, was the guy that hit the shot.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You see, bullets was the trailer. He the one that deflected it. He got it up to the court. They come to get him, they kick it back to him. They needed Mike Green on the call. That have been a triple. Bang, bang, bang, bang. Hey, baby, have John Witherspoon rest his old. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Hey, that was devastating, fellas.

[C]

It's not that. It's not like I was sitting here rooting for Duke, but when he made that shot, that hurt me, bro.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of what. What happened? What transpired. Look, if he didn't turn the ball over.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And the guy made the shot, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. That's an awful lot for a young man to have to live with, Joe.

[C]

It is.

[B]

It is, it is.

[C]

It is. Got all these State Farm commercials now. The Boozer twins.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Hey, damn, boy, that's a bad way. Because, you know, they probably would have had more come out. Oh, what if they would have made it to the final four?

[D]

Four.

[B]

Oh, they done probably. They done probably shot a few commercial.

[D]

I was. I was just gonna say they. They didn't already shot them commercials already now.

[C]

Oh, man, look, look. My favorite ones is Samuel Jackson and Charles Barkley and Magic Johnson there.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Capital One.

[D]

Yeah,

[B]

man, that hurt.

[C]

Oh, that one hurt.

[B]

I'm hurt for I. I ain't hurt for Duke. I ain't been saying been here lies. And, man, I feel. I do not feel bad for Luke. And I told y', all, hey, Abd anybody but Duke, right? I don't give that who win, they not winning. And my homeboy won't even call me. I've been calling Bird Joe. I've been calling him all day. I called him at Ocho, told him I'm in jail. Say, this is my one call. Homeboy, please pick up. Please.

[D]

He answer you yet?

[B]

Answer. I called back. I said, man, I got this burner phone. This dude had his burner phone in jail. I tried it. Cause when North Carolina lost, man, that joker blew my phone up. So I like, hello. I pretend like I'm sleep. So anytime our team lose, we always pretend like we sleep. I'm like, hello, you ain't sleep. I said, come on. Yeah, yeah. What's going on?

[D]

Hey, hey, what that bracket look like now?

[B]

Oh, my bracket tore up.

[D]

Hey, Joe, what yours look like, man?

[C]

I don't know. I don't know.

[D]

I know. I know who bracket. I know who bracket's still intact, though.

[C]

I ain't gonna lie to y'.

[B]

All. Still at intact. You just got Arizona to win. Hey, hey, you got Arizona. You won because you got Arizona going to the final four.

[C]

Hey, hey, Ojo.

[B]

Hey, hey.

[C]

I'm happy for you, Ocho.

[B]

I. What you doing putting it. All he did was pick animals. All he did was pick animals.

[D]

Hey, King Ocho, respect me, respect me, huh?

[B]

Hey, look, I can't believe my homeboy did like that, man. He came back, I was in jail. Had to get a burner phone. He still will answer for it. I sent him a text, asked it, is everything okay? He still ain't hit you back? Hey, hit me back yet. He ain't gonna take it.

[C]

Gonna take him about two, three days before he get back at you.

[B]

Oh, he ain't calling me. He ain't calling me no time soon. He probably called you. That's all right. I'm gonna call Michelle.

[C]

Hey, but I'm gonna tell y' all something.

[B]

Michelle, can you have birds call me?

[C]

Hey, these teams left in the final, going to the final four. Boy, hey, if you ain't got, you know, seven footer down there, you're gonna be in some trouble.

[D]

Hey, it's gonna be a long day.

[B]

You know what I hate? I mean, I hate Michigan. I hate Michigan and Arizona playing. I will. I need them to cross.

[C]

You want that be championship? You want that to be a championship?

[B]

Yeah. Cause both of them. Hey, both of them got some guy. Hey, man, Michigan. All right, there's our very special guest joining us tonight. He's a seven time NBA allstar, a seven time all. Excuse me. He's a seven time all NBA selection, a seven time NBA all star, a two time scoring champ straight out of high school. Here he is, TMac, Tracy McGrady. T Mac. What it do, bro?

[A]

What's up, dog?

[B]

We good, we good, bro. How you feeling tonight, man?

[A]

I'm. I'm blessed, brother. All good. Thanks for joining us.

[D]

I was in. Mac, what's good?

[B]

What?

[A]

Florida, boy.

[D]

Good.

[A]

My dog. What's up, boy?

[D]

Man, I'm chilling. I'm chilling.

[C]

I ain't see you.

[D]

I ain't see you on the court in a minute, man. You still won't smoke again?

[A]

Oh, yo, come on, bro. That's how we starting off this tonight. I'm just asking. I'm glad you said that. Ocho, let me clear some things up for people out there right we played in a celebrity game many, many moons ago. And this my dude, this is my Florida brother. We was out there playing, roughing each other up, and folks thought we were actually fighting online. I would never fight this man. It's my dude. So to clear that up, that was not me and Ocho fighting in a celebrity gay basketball game. That was something else going on. Me and my dude was just acting like Florida boys out there on the basketball court. That's what we were doing. So I wanted to clear that up, man, because I ain't never get a chance to talk to you about that. And I know there's a lot of stuff floating out there about us fighting.

[B]

Nah, but what he been telling us, he dropped four. He dropped like 14, 16 on you, and you kind of got upset with him about that. I said, did you drink? I said, did you drop all 14, 16? He's like, yeah.

[A]

What juice that drunk that night? Oh, me? Hell no.

[B]

All right, let's get to some basketball. Look. What. What the mvp. I think we got. We got Luca, we got Wimby, we got Jokic, you got sga, you got. You got Jalen, you got Jalen Brown, and I think you got K. Cunningham. I think Kate is going to miss the cutoff because he's going to miss too many games. So just for the sake of this argument, let's set him to the side. But I believe it's out of those five, Luca, Jokic, sga, Jalen Brown, and Wimby, you. I don't know if you have a vote. You may or may not. But if you had to, if you had to vote right now, there's still about 12, 14 games left in the season. But if you had to vote right now, T. Mac, where you leaning?

[A]

So obviously I think all five of these guys can win MVP because they're all having phenomenal seasons. But how I see the MVP and view the MVP who's most valuable to their team, and out of those five, when I look at the rosters is Jaylen Brown. No question. Right? It is. No question. SGA is playing with another all Star and playing with a cast that he played with last year. Yes, sir. But. But J Dub has been out in and out of the lineup and he's just coming back. And then when I look at Jokic, now, Jokic, before he got hurt, I don't care what anybody was doing. He was my clear cut mvp. The numbers he was putting up was. Was just astronomical.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then when you look at. When you look at. Bro, I'm just gonna say this. You look at Wimy, if Wimy doesn't win it this year, good luck to all the other players for the next six or seven years. Because defensively, like his floor is better than all of those guys sealing and I, we've never seen anybody on the defensive end have that type of impact. And I say the dude is like Deion Sanders, bro. On the basketball court, being able to shut an entire side down. Yeah. And then, and then Luca, you know, for me, you got to play both sides of the ball. I think he's done a lot better this year defensively. But in this stretch that we've seen him on, he's been phenomenal scoring with the best of. I mean we. The dude is just a phenomenal offensive player.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But again he's playing with LeBron James and they didn't really the team. The. The team wise. I think there was a little, you know, up and down really wasn't playing great basketball. Jalen Brown and it's Boston Celtics has been playing great basketball from the, from the jump. And you look at his roster, JT has been out right up until a few weeks ago, him coming back. But you look at their roster, it's like no way you guys should be in the second seed in the Eastern Conference. So most valuable player at this point to be still is Jalen Brown.

[B]

When you, when you, when you look at this and you see what the, the. The OKC Thunder, what they've been able to do, even when. When SGA was out, they were still finding ways to win. Even when. And that's the mark of a good team, when you could be without your best player and you still win. You can be without your second best player and guys come in and contribute and you can still win. That shows you the depth of a given team.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So now if I said, okay, T. Mac some money that means something to you and if it's your money you putting up, it means something to you. Who you think is in the finals. Because I go back and forth because a part of me wants to say San Antonio. A part of me wants to say the okc. Okc. And then I look at the East. I still think Boston healthy. I don't think anybody if Boston and Detroit. But Cade has to play great in order for them to win. JT can have an off game and JB carry him. Yeah, JB can have an off game and JT can carry him. And then you got that little guy, Peyton Pritchard, he coming out the. And before you Know he don't. But he done hit you over Your Head With 20, With 22 Points.

[A]

No, you, you absolutely right, man. You know, some of these, these guys, when they, they miss games, their team don't fall off. They still win ball games. You know, Detroit had a good one tonight, but they lost against the Hawks. But they still playing good basketball without K. Cunningham. Jalen Dern is stepping up with.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

In the absence of him. And actually the little point guard Dennis Jenkins is playing great basketball for them too. So for Detroit, this is. I want to see this because I wanted to see how they function without the head of the snake and K. Cunningham. And they answered my question. These guys are still a legit team without him. And I see how they can play when Cade gets in foul trouble or he's off the court for whatever reason. They still play good basketball. And with Jaylen Brown there, man, I just don't see nobody in the Eastern Conference as balanced and solid all around like them New York Knicks. They have everything. But you just don't know. It's been some inconsistent basketball with them. So I'm going Boston. And it pains me to say this because I love the Denver Nuggets. Jokic is my favorite player. Them being healthy. Ah man.

[B]

Cuz Pton Watson is coming back at some point in time. Because you look at the way they was playing with Pton Watson and you got Jamal Playoff. Jamal, because you know Jamal Murray, he and Yic in the picket role is the most stop stoppable tandem.

[A]

So I'm, I'm going to say this. Before I had Denver, when they were fully healthy, I just thought, okay, Denver was that scene. But because it's been, you know, Aaron Gordon been out of the lineup. I mean Peyton Watson been out of the lineup. Christian Brown's been out of the lineup. Like these, so many of these guys. Cam Johnson, their, their core guys has made so much time. I gotta go. I gotta go with Boston OKC in the finals, dog.

[B]

Wow. No San Antonio. You don't think San Antonio is quite old enough yet? Because I love Wimy Stephan Castle V. I mean they got. They Harrison Barn comes off the bench, shell Keldon Johnson. I love Keldon Johnson. He's a bucket. I don't care what, it don't matter. He get in the game, he gonna get 20t, man.

[A]

No, that, that, that, that boy be playing, man. Whether he knocking down the three or get to the cup. I love their team. I just think this is the year where they're gonna have that growing pain of failing to reach the finals and then next. The next few years. My gosh. Watch out.

[D]

It's gonna be crazy.

[A]

My gosh. Yeah.

[D]

Hey. Hey, Mac. I want to switch gears real quick. Obviously, you with great knowledge of the game, and everyone has their own criteria.

[A]

Hold on, bro.

[D]

I'm in the car. I was.

[B]

I was.

[D]

I was stuck in a rush hour traffic.

[A]

You ain't no goddamn rush hour traffic, bro. This how you do me, bro. You supposed to be my boy. You supposed to be in the studio or at the crib. You in the car.

[B]

No, I'm.

[D]

No. I swear to God, T. Mac, I was in standstill traffic for, like, 45 minutes.

[A]

All right? Apologies, bro.

[D]

I'm. I'm at the house now. But real, real quick. Everyone has their own criteria. There's always dialogue. There's always endless conversations. Barbershop talk, basketball talk when it comes to who the best is to ever play this game. So based on your knowledge and. And having to. To face these individuals in.

[C]

In.

[D]

In. In your mind, who is the greatest basketball player of all time? When it comes to the debate about Michael Jordan and LeBron James, who is the go to the game?

[A]

You only threw two of them in there. You threw two guys.

[B]

He got. I think. I think T, man, got Colby in that. In that discussion.

[A]

You only got two guys.

[D]

Talk to me nice now. Talk to me nice, and let me. Let me know. Let me know who you feel the best is ever. We talk about the goat now. So there's another goat you want to add to the conversation?

[A]

So. So for me, it's. It's MJ all day. I. I grew up watching Mike, and I. I just haven't seen. And it's not even about the numbers and the championships. It's what I'm watching right with my eyes, what I see on the basketball court. Yeah, that other stuff helps, but it's all about the eye test and what this man did, you know, night in and night out, defensively, clutch. Whatever you needed. And not. That's not to say LeBron can't be the goat, but for me, it's my goat. It's mj. And I think how you have to do it, you got to go by errors, man, because you know it's right. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's different. Different style of basketball. It's different players. Like, MJ ain't see no Kobe. MJ ain't seen no TMac. MJ ain't seen no Vince, you know, like, and I want to disrespect those wing players, but let's be honest, the 2000 wings, bro, they wasn't in, Right, right. They were deeper and the game changed, so. And then in LeBron's era, he ran that, right? Putting up crazy, the MVPs, but he had some competition. That was Kobe Bryant. And then later on in his career, gotta ask Steph Curry in there, right? So it's. So it's errors for me, man. All these guys are goats because they all was freaking great, bro.

[B]

Yeah. I think the thing is, is that I don't know how you felt when you first saw Michael Jordan, but I always tell the story. He doesn't seem real, T, man. He, he, he leveled. I mean, when I first laid eyes on this man, I was in super bowl, this man was levitating. And I'm looking at him and he probably thinking, man, Sterling, sharp little brother, he's something wrong with him. He didn't, he don't T. Mac, am I lying? Does he seem real?

[A]

So I'm gonna tell you this story, and I'm glad you said that. And people really don't understand that. Aura is a real thing, bro. For real. His, his, his aura is like none other. So I was 17 years, I was 17 years old and this is when I, I announced that I was gonna go to the NBA. Chicago was playing the Atlanta Hawks. I go to the game, watch MJ and Pip and the Bulls do their thing that night. I go in the back after the game and I'm waiting for these guys. I'm waiting by the Chicago Bulls locker room because we got some passes in my, you know, the team that I was with had the connections straight, mj. Well, Rodman walked out. All right. Oh, cool. That's the end of Rob right there. Pip walks out. All right, bro. MJ walks out of that locker room, my dude. Nah, nah, it's like he was glowing, bro. He had like this aura around him that was helping. I'm telling you, people don't believe it. This is 17 year old me watching this guy because this is right, NBC, this is the golden era of basketball. That's how I got to watch him, right? It's to see him on, on TV and what he was doing back in the, the late 80s, early 90s for me when I started watching and to actually see this brother in person, nah, it, he didn't seem real.

[B]

He still don't. He still, he. I, I get the same, I get the same feeling when I see that man in person that I got the very first time that I Saw his ass in person. This doesn't levitate. I don't care what nobody say. This man was levitating. He was not walking. He was levitating. And I've seen a lot, a lot of famous people in the world in my time, but don't nobody has the aura like Michael Jordan now. Maybe, maybe Michael Jackson, but I never saw Michael Jackson in person. Yeah, yeah, I've seen Prince in person. I've seen a lot of celebs in person. I've never seen anything like what this man, the glow and, and the power, the energy, the force that is around him. Man, you people, you got, you got to be in his presence to understand what T. Mac. But if you think about it, chat, everybody that's ever been around him, he said the same thing from Shaq to Kevin Garnett to everybody said the exact same thing. He doesn't. Alan Iris say the man, he don't even seem real.

[A]

No, he don't, man. And I was, I was actually just with him at the Writers cup. And it's hard not to just stare at Mike, bro. That's, That's Mike right there, fool. But nah, he's. And, and for me, when I first saw him and then my first couple of times playing against him, like, I still had that feeling, but it's like I've been around Mike so many times. I still, you know, have high regards. The auras kind of wore off a little bit. It's still there and that's still Mike. But man, when I was 17 years, I ain't never seen anything like it, bro.

[B]

It's amazing. Like I said, I've been around a lot of famous people. A lot, a lot of famous people. Yeah, ain't nothing, ain't nothing like, ain't nothing like this dude right here, man.

[A]

Nah, nah. And when he, and when he came back to the Wizards, because I was 17 years, I mean, 18 years old, you know, I played against him when they won 72 and 10. That was my rookie year.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I played against him his last year before he retired. And you know, that 18 year old me was, was trying to figure out, you know, who I was as an NBA player and trying to learn the game. So I didn't, I didn't really, you know, have that, that type of game or that force that I wanted. But when I, when his ass came back when he was with the Wizards. Ah, ah.

[B]

Hey, you might be wounded, but I'm gonna give you this work.

[A]

I gotta give you this work. I don't like what you did to my mind when I was 17 years old, making me seem like you ain't for real. Hey.

[B]

Cause that was Kobe's mindset. You Remember Kobe dropped 55 on him the last time he played him. And people like, well, Kobe, why would you do that? He said that's what he would want me to do. He would have it no other way. Because I guarantee you, if the roles

[A]

were reversed, oh yeah, he would have did the same thing. But it did the same thing. So that's why before he left that before I. I had to get at least 40 on it, bro. Before he stopped playing, I had to see that I dropped 40. And I don't care if the Wizards might, because the Wizards might was still averaging 24 points, 25 points, and putting up some crazy numbers with. He was healthy playing. So I viewed him as Chicago Bulls Mike. He gotta come get this work. When.

[B]

When you. Look, you know what I wanted to ask you, T. Mac, have a guy that played the game at an elite level. There was a lot of conversation going back and forth. When Bam got 83. Bam got 83. Look how he got to 83. The game was out of reach. T. Mac, can you just tell the people how hard it is to score 40, 50, 50, 60. Because I think you got a career high of like 60, 62. So now go to 70, go to 80. I don't give a damn how he did it. I don't care if he cherry picks Snowbird, whatever you guys call it, where the guy just standing at half court and getting layups on the other end. I don't give a damn what you call it. 83 is 83. Talk to the people from somebody that played the game at an elite high, high level. Explain to the people, even though the Washington Wizards are trash and it says more about them than it does Bamboo. Explain to people 83 damn points.

[A]

Yeah. That the league has been around, you know, 70 something years, only 1947. How many people scored that? Three. Three. That's all I got. It's only three. Regardless of how he did it and how you view him as he. When he did it, it's 83 points. And we. We haven't seen that only one time. And that was. That was Bean. So, yeah. Do I think it could have been a little bit more competitive on Washington side? Of course. But they approach. They make millions of dollars as well.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They got a job to do. And if you had an opportunity to make history, who's not gonna do that? So when. So, so 30 years from now when, you know, kids are coming up, these, these babies right now, they come up and they looking at the scoring list like, damn, out of bio. He scored 83 points. They're not going to care how he scored it. They just know, man, that man is on a whole time score. So I don't care how he scored it, man. That's, you know, it's a lot of people out there that's, that's hating on the man because he overtook and, and Kobe never had the record. I don't know what they talk about it. Kobe had the record like the record of 100. The record is 100 now. We haven't seen it. I haven't seen any video, but the record is 100.

[B]

But you know what I think, T Mac? I think because Kobe got 81 and then see, I think it was Bam is because he's the most unlikeliest guy to get 83. Had Kobe got 83. Had you got 80. It got 80 plus had one of these guys that we look at it scores. Kevin Durant, James Harden, Allen Iverson. If we look, if one of you guys get it, I don't think anybody's batting the eye, but you're talking about Bam. That's a career, what, 20 point a night score. And all of a sudden he jumped from 20 all the way up to get 83. We don't, we don't normally see guys go like that. Even you look at Donovan Mitchell, Donovan Mitchell, he got seven. You look at Luke and he got 70. Those guys are scores. So it's not anything. So if they would have got. Because we saw them get. Luca got 73, I think against the, against the Hawks, I think donovan Mitchell got 70 something 80. We not even batting the eye, but Bam got it. If we don't look at Bam as one of those guys a score, he's

[A]

an NBA player, man. The man got hot. He had a phenomenal night in the story. Like, yeah, he scored 83, man. Let that go, bro. Like, all right, man. He's an NBA player, bro. I've seen guys, I've seen guys averaging, you know, 17 points in this league get 50. So what do you got to say about that?

[B]

Oh, I think Ultra tried and you muted. Ocho,

[D]

can you hear me now? Yeah. Hey Mac, I got, I got a question. Listen, normally, normally push back for, for 83 point game that Bam scored. You hear from analysts, you hear from pundits, you hear from, from, from fans that are just, just, just fans of the game in general that, that enjoy watching Basketball. But when you hear pushback from actual players that played the game, you know, and they complain also about BAM scoring 83, why do you think that is? Especially from those who have play the game at the highest level, why would they have a problem with it?

[A]

It's because of how it happened, and rightfully so. Like, it was. It was a nasty game. It was a nasty game of what they was doing. That's what that. That's what they're speaking on. It's. There's no disrespect to Bam. It's just how it happened. You know what I mean? Like the Washington Wizards and fouling and then Miami's fouling to give. To try to get the ball back.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was. All that stuff right there is what they was pissed off about.

[B]

I don't know. Did you. Did you see Shump's comment?

[A]

I did not.

[B]

Iman Shamba said. This is what he said about Bam. Don't bring up 80 no more. Don't bring that up. That was a regular season game versus a tanking team. You murdered that team and then you walk off. Bam. You don't need to talk about it. We all saw it. Let us talk about it. I. I'm in a suit. I can talk about it. Don't talk about it no more, Bam. Cause now it looks weird. You about to make it where I don't like 83 no more. I'm dead serious. Please don't be holding on to that.

[A]

This.

[B]

Bam. I need you to add to your resume. F. That. I'm talking about it forever. As a matter of fact, I'm changing my name. Mr. 83.

[A]

Mr. 83.

[B]

That.

[A]

That. Actually, that's going to be my social media. My social media name on all social media channels. Mr. 83. Straight up. Like, come on, bro. Like, how you not talk about that, man? Man, these people out here crazy, dog. That's 83 points in an NBA game I do against NBA players that's making millions of dollars. Come on, dog. That's his. No, we can't do that.

[D]

It's history. It's history. How can you not. How can you not talk about history? You're. You're a part of it.

[B]

I tell you, Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, every. All the top corners go out. But you get 300 yards and y' all still throwing the ball. Y' all up 21 points and y' all throw the ball and you catch a 15 yard route to go over 300 you go, are you gonna say, man, I feel bad for them. They top three quarters. I did the move.

[D]

No.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You in the NFL, I'm gonna talk.

[D]

You'd be crazy. I might change my last name to 300 too.

[A]

Straight up. 300. Do you? It's very rare for us to see this type of performance. Regardless of how it happens, right? Regardless of how it happens, it's supposed to be the best players in the world, right? It's supposed to be the best in the world, right. That's all I'm saying. So we're the best players in the best league. The man scored 83 points. There's no assets.

[B]

It happened, I think, see, people like, well, Kobe didn't mention it. Well, Kobe had a game where he stopped at 62 and left in the third, at the end of the third and then come back in the game. Kobe has had these scoring outbursts. So we're not surprised. I don't think anybody was surprised because just three weeks earlier he had a 62 point game where he outscored the entire. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was the Mavericks by himself in three quarters. So we got a surprise when Kobe like kept going and ended up getting that. Or if Jordan, when Jordan has got these 60 points. But. But bam. I don't even know if Bam's career high. If Bam, career high is even 40.

[A]

Do you remember, you remember David Robinson was trying to get.

[B]

I do. Last game of the season, they got him the scoring title.

[A]

To be feeding him every single time, every single trip. But we don't say nothing about that. Right?

[B]

So as a matter of fact, I think it was against the Clippers.

[A]

It was against the Clippers. He wasn't gonna score that.

[B]

He had 71, man.

[A]

He wasn't scoring that against nobody else but the Clippers. Why? Because they were like the Washington.

[B]

Okay, okay, well, you mean the Washington Generals that played the Harlem Gold Trotters? That's what. That's what, that's what the Wizards are now. Hey, T, man, check it, man. You said this week the, the board of governors, the NBA, they're convening and they're going to vote possibly expansion. One Vegas, one Seattle. You said you was like, hold on, guys. I'm not so sure there's enough talent on the 30 current NBA teams for you to dilute it even more. Adding two more teams because players could only. You could only protect a certain number of players. And then everybody else is up for a discussion where those teams like, okay, I want this guy. I want that guy. What went into your thought process? Why did you say you don't think there's enough talent that's currently in the NBA for the league to add two more teams?

[A]

So we just talked. We just talked about Bam scoring 83 points, right? What did you call that team? He scored 83 points on the Washington Generals. We want to see. We want two more teams. And you just said the NBA team. You call these boys the Washington Generals. They're not the only team like that. You got Utah thinking you got the Brooklyn Nets.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You. You want to watch the Brooklyn Nets?

[B]

Nah, bro, I don't.

[A]

Why? Why? You know why you don't want to watch the Brooklyn Nets.

[B]

They ain't even trying. They. At least, at least the Wizards are playing their guys. T. Mac, the Utah, not even. They take their guys out. They down by 2. And they, they started for the whole fourth quarter. Triple J getting surgery on. On the wisdom tooth. He out for the rest of the year.

[A]

So you answered the question that you asked me. Sacramento, you wanna. You tune in, watch Sacramento?

[D]

No.

[A]

So now you talk about adding two more teams and this. Come on, bro.

[D]

I got a question. I got a question. Mac.

[B]

Oh, let me follow you, sir, right quick. T. Mac, you talking about two teams. And each team, they say that the winning bid is going to be somewhere between seven and $10 billion. And the owners, you know that that's probably 500. That's probably 500, maybe $600 million in each owner's pockets.

[A]

Hey, hey, I don't want to take no money out of nobody pocket. I know it's about bread. I know it's about bread, okay? But I'm just saying, as a fan of the game, okay, we don't have the product, man. I'm just, I'm sorry. We. We just don't have the product. The league is weird. It's strange, man. I don't. I, I can't understand the league. I'm looking at a guy that averaged 30 points last year in the NBA. 29. 30 points on a bad team, but a bucket getter. Probably one of the best bucket getters in our league. As a young player. He gets waived from his team, another bad team picks him up, right? Thomas, Cam Thomas, Another bad team picks him up. He stays there for a few weeks and they wave him. That Ocho, the brother was averaging 30 in the NBA last season before he got hurt and he's out of the NBA. So come on, like, I want that type of talent in the NBA. I want Somebody, I want that in the NBA to work. He takes tough shots. He'll tough shot maker. He can't find out, he can't find a home in the NBA. Now I don't know the other stuff that's going on, whether it's his attitude or he's not, you know what I'm saying? I don't know none of that. I don't have any of that information. But in terms of a basketball player and what we need in this league, what we want to see, that kid is one of the best scorers you will see in this league.

[D]

Hey, hey, hey, Mac. What I'm gonna say right, you know, if, if it make money, it makes sense, especially the owner to the GMs. The bottom line, it will always be the same. And it's always been the same since the beginning of time. It's always about, it's always about the money. So with these two expansion teams, if Seattle is able to get one, if Vegas is able to get one, how long do you think it would take before they're able to produce the product or get the product necessary for those teams to compete? Or is that not possible because there's not enough basketball players in general?

[A]

No, I, I think it is possible because I mean there are, you know, I think with some of these kids coming out of college, it depends on like how you construct your roster. There's some vets that's probably are, you know, up for a contract and, and possibly we'll look at that Las Vegas situation or look at Seattle. Phenomenal city to hooping by the way. Vegas. But NBA players. Yeah, but that's a little tricky. That's Vegas. Hey, the girls can handle that. The WNBA players can handle that. The NFL players. It's more of a strict league. You know, you guys only got one year and y' all have a curfew. NBA players got too much downtime, dog. Vegas might be a little tricky but

[B]

tmac tell us about the ones league that you found. What, what, what is the ones.

[A]

So that's my one on one league, man. You know, I, I, you know, started a 101 league back in 2022 and there was my proof of concept season and I, I, I started this league because of where I am sitting today is because a platform that I got on when I was in high school and that was the ABCD camp. See if, if y' all don't know I was an unknown high school square up until my senior year. Nobody really knew who I was. I got invited to the Adidas camp become, you know, the number one player after that Adidas camp. And, you know, the story is I go to the NBA and the rest is history. So it's that platform that really made me who I was and gave me a name. So it's a lot of Hoopers. Ocho, you know, you grew up down in the bottom, man. You grew up with some guys that. That can hoop like crazy and probably had, you know, a situation where someone in the family died and they had to pivot and, and step up and. And, you know, be the. The parent, the guardian in that situation or they just couldn't get it right as a. As a teenager and was in some trouble and, you know, ruined their careers or whatever. And then guys just, just really didn't get the opportunity to live out their dream of playing basketball. Well, there's so many guys, so much talent and one on one out here, man, that I feel they should have that platform. Oh, you play. You played one on one growing up?

[B]

I did.

[A]

Oo, you played one on one growing up?

[B]

Go ahead, T. Hey, TBAC, you know, 21 was one on one. Basically it was one on one against 15 other guys.

[A]

I was just about to say that I grew up playing one on one and then 21 was our.

[B]

Now it looks weird. You about to make it where I don't like 83 no more. I'm dead serious. Please don't be holding on to that.

[A]

This.

[B]

Bam. I need you to add to your resume. F. That. I'm talking about it forever. As a matter of fact, I'm changing my name. Mr. 83.

[A]

Mr. 83. That. That. Actually, that's going to be my social media. My social media name on all social media channels. Mr. 83. Straight up. Like, come on, bro, like, how you not talk about. Man. Man, these people are here crazy, dog. That's 83 points in an NBA game. I do against NBA players that's making millions of dollars. Come on, dog.

[B]

That's his

[D]

history. It's history. How can you not. How can you not talk about history? You're a part of it.

[B]

I tell you, Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, every. All the top corners go out, but you get 300 yards and y' all still throwing the ball. Y' all up 21 points and y' all throw the ball and you catch a 15 yard route to go over 300. You go. Are you gonna say, man, I feel bad for them. They top three quarters. I did the boot.

[D]

No.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You in the NFL I'm gonna talk.

[D]

You'd be crazy. I might change my last name to 300 too.

[A]

Straight up, 300.

[B]

Do you?

[A]

It's very rare for us to see this type of performance. Regardless of how it happens, right? Regardless of how it happens. It's supposed to be the best players in the world, right? It's supposed to be the best athlete in the world, right? That's all I'm saying. So we the best players in the best league. The man scored 83 points. There's no asterisk. It happened, I think.

[B]

See, people like, well, Colby didn't mention it. Well, Kobe had a game where he stopped at 62 and left in the third, at the end of the third and then come back in the game. Kobe has had these scoring outbursts. So we're not surprised. I don't think anybody was surprised because just three weeks earlier he had a 62 point game where he outscored the entire. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was the Mavericks by himself in three quarters. So we caught a surprise when Kobe like kept going and ended up getting that. Or if Joe, when Jordan has got these 60 points. But. But bam. I don't even know if bam's career high. If Bam. Career highs even 40.

[A]

Do you remember? You remember David Robinson was trying to get.

[B]

I do. Last game of the season, they got in the scoring title to be shank

[A]

feeding him every single time, every single trip. But we don't say nothing about that. Right? So as a matter of fact, I

[B]

think it was against the Clippers.

[A]

It was against the Clippers. He wasn't gonna score that.

[B]

He had 71, man.

[A]

He wasn't scoring that against nobody else but the Clippers. Why? Because they were like the Washington.

[B]

Okay, okay, well, you mean the Washington Generals that played the Harlem Gold Trotters? That's what. That's what. That's what the Wizards are now. Hey, T, man, check it, man. You said this week the board of governors, the NBA, they're convening and they're going to vote possibly expansion. One Vegas, one Seattle. You said you was like, hold on, guys. I'm not so sure there's enough talent on the 30 current NBA teams for you to dilute it even more, adding two more teams because players could only. You could only protect a certain number of players. And then everybody else is up for discussion with where those teams like, okay, I want this guy, I want that guy. What went into your thought process? Why did you say you don't think there's enough talent that's currently in the NBA for the league to add two more teams.

[A]

So we just talk, we just talked about Bam scoring 83 points, right? What did you call that team? He scored 83 points on the Washington Generals. We want to see. We want two more teams. And you just said the NBA team. You call these boys the Washington Generals. They're not the only team like that. You got Utah thinking you got the Brooklyn Nets.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You want to watch the Brooklyn Nets?

[B]

Nah, bro, I don't.

[A]

Why? Why? You know why you don't want to watch the Brooklyn Nets.

[B]

They ain't even trying. At least the Wizards are playing their guys. T. Mac, the Utah, not even. They take their guys out. They down by two and they, they started for the whole fourth quarter. Triple J getting surgery on. On the wisdom tooth. He out for the rest of the year.

[A]

So when you answered the question that you asked me. Sacramento, you wanna, you tune in, watch Sacramento? No. So now you talk about adding two more teams in this. Come on, bro.

[D]

I got a question, I got a question back.

[B]

Let me follow you, sir. Right quick. T. Mac, you talking about two teams. And each team, they say that the winning bid is going to be somewhere between seven and $10 billion. And the owners, you know that that's probably 500. That's probably 500, maybe $600 million in each owner's pockets.

[A]

Hey, hey, I don't want to take no money out of nobody pocket. I know it's about bread. I know it's about bread, okay? But I'm just saying as a fan of the game, okay, we don't have the product, man. I'm just, I'm sorry. We. We just don't have the product. The league is weird. It's strange, man. I don't, I, I can't understand the league. I'm looking at a guy that averaged 30 points last year in the NBA. 29. 30 points on a bad team. But a bucket getter. Probably one of the best bucket getters in our league as a young player. He gets waived from his team. Another bad team picks him up, right? Thomas, Cam Thomas. Another bad team picks him up. He stays there for a few weeks and they wave him. That Ocho the brother act was averaging 30 in the NBA last season before he got hurt and he's out of the NBA. So come on. Like, I want that type of talent in the NBA. I want somebody, I want that in the NBA to work. He takes tough shots. He'll tough shot maker. He can't find out. He can't find A home in the NBA. Now, I don't know the other stuff that's going on, whether it's his attitude or he's not, you know what I'm saying? I don't know none of that. I don't have any of that information. But in terms of a basketball player and what we need in this league, what we want to see, that kid is one of the best scorers you will see in this league.

[D]

Hey, hey, hey, Mac. What I'm gonna say, right, you know, if, if it make money, it makes sense, especially to the owner, to the GMs, the bottom line, it will always be the same. And it's always been the same since the beginning of time. It's always about, it's always about the money. So with these two expansion teams, if Seattle is able to get one, if Vegas is able to get one, how long do you think it would take before they're able to produce the product or get the product necessary for those teams to compete? Or is that not possible because there's not enough basketball players in general?

[A]

No, I, I think it is possible because I mean there are, you know, I think with some of these kids coming out of college, it depends on like how you construct your roster. There's some vets that's probably are, you know, up for a contract and, and possibly we'll look at that Las Vegas situation or look at Seattle. Phenomenal city to hooping, by the way. Vegas. But NBA players. Yeah, but that's a little tricky. That's Vegas. Hey, the girls can handle that. The WNBA players can handle that. The NFL players. It's more of a strict league. You know, you guys only got one game and y' all have a curfew. NBA players got too much downtime, dog. Vegas might be a little tricky, but

[B]

TMac, tell us about the ones league that you found the chip. What, what, what is the ones.

[A]

So that's my one on one league, man. You know, I, I, you know, started a one on one league back in 2022 and it was my proof of concept season. And I, I, I started this league because of where I am sitting today is because a platform that I got on when I was in high school and that was the ABCD camp. See if, if y' all don't know, I was an unknown high school square up until my senior year. Nobody really knew who I was. I got invited to the Adidas camp, become, you know, the number one player after that Adidas camp. And you know the story is go to the NBA and the Rest is history. So it's that platform that really made me who I was and gave me a name. So it's a lot of Hoopers. Ocho, you know, you grew up down in the bottom, man. You grew up with some guys that, that can hoop like crazy and probably had, you know, a situation where someone in the family died and they had to pivot and, and step up and. And, you know, be the. The parent, the guardian in that situation, or they just couldn't get it right as a. As a teenager and was in some trouble and, you know, ruined their careers or whatever. And then guys just. Just really didn't get the opportunity to live out their dream of playing basketball. Well, there's so many guys, so much talent and one on one out here, man, that I feel they should have that platform. Oh, you play. You played one on one growing up?

[B]

I did.

[A]

Oh, you played one on one Up. No play.

[B]

Go ahead. Hey, T. Mac. You know, 21 was one on one.

[D]

Basically.

[B]

It was one on one against 15 other guys.

[A]

I was just about to say that, like, I grew up playing one on one, and then 21 was our one on one as well. So.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Man, I. I just think these cats out here really need that platform. I want to create it for them. But on top of that, you know, it's much bigger than just giving them the platform to make a name for himself in basketball. I also want to do something for brothers that look like us in the ownership department. See, it's not too. It's in. In your league. It's not too many guys that look like us that have ownership. I was lucky enough. I was lucky enough to have that opportunity to go in with the Buffalo Bills with my cousin Vince. So we, you know, we. We got some ownership with that, and it just really, you know, sparked my interest. Like, I want to do this for my people, and I want to change how I'm building this league. So I'm building it to have cities. I want cities and have guys like Jadakiss, who's from New York, give him 15 of this team that's based out of New York. John Wall. John Wall is from Raleigh. I gave him 15 of that Raleigh team. And I have eight cities and eight owners and GMS that I assigned to this team. Gave them equity. I didn't want any money for them. I just handed it to them because they are impactful in those cities that they grew up. And then when you look at the game of basketball, our game of basketball, NBA, like Steph Curry is not from Oakland or San Francisco. LeBron James is not from LA. These guys are homegrown from these, these cities. And I want that community to get behind them and push these guys and support these guys. So that's why I want to do this, man. And, you know, I'm really excited about giving these guys this platform. It.