Best of NBA News Part 1: Unc FURIOUS at Byron Scott DISRESPECTING LeBron James LAKERS LEGACY! Unc & Ocho FLAME the WNBA for being CHEAP after the STARS SHINE with UNRIVALED

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Best of NBA News Part 1

Episode: "Unc Furious at Byron Scott Disrespecting LeBron James Lakers Legacy! Unc & Ocho FLAME the WNBA for being CHEAP after the Stars SHINE with UNRIVALED"
Release Date: March 4, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc")
Co-host/Guest: Ocho
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media

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Main Theme Overview

This episode brings together sharp perspectives on the NBA’s evolving landscape, tensions around LeBron James' legacy with the Lakers, and the state of women's basketball — including harsh critiques of WNBA pay and shoutouts to standout play in the new Unrivaled league. Shannon ("Unc") Sharpe and Ocho unpack the shifting guard in the NBA, react to Byron Scott’s anti-LeBron comments, and celebrate women's hoops with pointed commentary about respect, money, and opportunity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA Landscape: The New Guard Arrives

Timestamps: 00:45–10:49

• Injury Reports & Standings Rundown (00:00–02:30)

  • Ocho recaps recent NBA action, highlighting the toughness of players like James Harden (22 pts on a broken thumb) and Keon Ellis (playing through injury).
  • Analysis of standings shows Detroit atop the East and a tightly-packed playoff race. Ocho and Joe compare the conference dynamics, singling out Cade Cunningham and Jalen Duren as rising stars due for major contracts.

• Transition of Superstars (03:21–06:33)

  • The long-anticipated shift is here: “Steph is going to move on. KD’s going to move on... the league is transitioning away from those guys, and that’s okay...it moved on from Dr. J, Larry, Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, LeBron, KD, and Steph. The league will be fine.” — Ocho (03:32)
  • Debate on who will be the next true “face of the NBA,” with Ant Edwards (Ant Man), Victor Wembanyama (Wimby), SGA, Jokic, Jalen Brunson, and JT mentioned.
  • Ant Man doesn’t want the spotlight: “Ant Man want to be Ant Man... there’s pressure that comes with that. That ain’t me, cuz.” — Ocho (05:20)
  • Hosts observe how the league may not be able to manufacture a new American superstar face due to the internationalization of the sport.
  • “If you probably had to take your top five players in the NBA, maybe the top seven are all international players.” — Ocho (06:52)

• International Influence (07:10–09:47)

  • Comparing NBA’s internationalization to MLB’s long tradition: “Now [NBA] might not have a choice but to have a Shea or Giannis or Jokic as the face.” — Ocho

• LeBron Remains the Draw (10:23–10:49)

  • Despite the focus on the next generation, the hosts agree: “Until 23 for the Lakers leaves, he’s still it... You look at his social media, you look at his engagement, you look at who moves the needle. It’s LeBron.” — Ocho

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2. Knicks vs. Spurs: Game Breakdown

Timestamps: 16:32–24:12

• Game Recap (16:32–20:07)

  • Knicks end Spurs’ 11-game winning streak (114-89), highlighted by stifling defense and an explosive run.
  • “They just kept turning the Spurs over. The Spurs couldn’t protect the ball...” — Ocho (19:23)
  • Praise for Alvarado’s energy and the Knicks’ deep contributions (Mikal Bridges, Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, OG Anunoby).
  • Wembanyama’s strong stats (25 pts, 13 rebounds, but 7 turnovers).

• Strategic Analysis (20:07–22:00)

  • Knicks’ elite perimeter defense cited as the deciding factor.
  • “If somebody’s plus-24 from the three-point line and they force you into 22 turnovers, you’re probably going to get blown out.” — Ocho (20:07)
  • The importance of turnovers, home-court advantage in the playoffs, and the challenge of facing OKC (“you can pencil Shay in for 30”). — Ocho

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3. Byron Scott’s LeBron Hot Take: Respect or Disrespect?

Timestamps: 30:24–51:38

• Byron Scott Wants LeBron Gone (30:24–31:19)

  • “Byron Scott really said that... that [LeBron] should make this his last year. You don’t have to go home, but you got to get the hell out of here.” — Ocho (30:38)
  • Both hosts express shock and disapproval at a Laker legend publicly calling for LeBron’s departure.
  • “Why is LeBron being the one that’s being called out from Byron Scott when all the other issues even Ray Charles can see...” — Joe (30:50)

• LeBron’s Lakers Impact and Legacy (32:16–34:24)

  • Ocho credits LeBron with revitalizing the Lakers following Kobe’s retirement.
  • Observations on generational double standards: athletes begrudge new stars for privileges, but every era has gotten more than the one before.
  • “There have been a lot of guys that’s moved, but nobody has caught the criticism — and LeBron James has never asked for a trade.” — Ocho (33:48)

• Double Standards & Teammate Realities (39:34–41:15)

  • Ocho exposes the inconsistency: “When LeBron didn’t have nothing to go with him, y’all say ‘if he was great, he would win.’ You never did that with anybody else.” (39:47)
  • Both hosts agree — all great players need strong teammates and the idea of a solo superstar carrying a franchise to a title is a myth.

• Statues and Jersey Retirement Debate (47:47–51:02)

  • Ocho expects LeBron’s jersey to be retired, but is doubtful about a statue — mainly because fans/minorities of ex-players put an asterisk on LeBron’s achievements.
  • “Retiring 23 [for the Lakers] would only be right. Not to do so would be ridiculous. It’d be damn egregious.” — Joe (47:47)
  • Ocho: “Whatever you thought LeBron James can be based on what he was in high school... he superseded that.” (49:29)
  • “He’s been squeaky, squeaky clean... and still people find fault.” — Ocho (50:17)

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4. WNBA vs. Unrivaled: Pay, Opportunity & Spotlight

Timestamps: 52:01–60:19

• Unrivaled League’s Breakthrough (52:01–54:01)

  • KP (Kelsey Plum) and Arike Ogunbowale hit clutch game winners, with fans chanting “Pay the players,” underlining the pay disparity in women’s basketball.
  • Ocho and Shannon marvel at the Unrivaled league’s atmosphere: “Sold out up in there! This is what you should be having in your league [WNBA].” — Ocho (53:52)

• WNBA Pay Critique & Context (54:01–55:50)

  • The hosts criticize WNBA and praise Unrivaled’s compensation structure, where Chelsea Gray’s $200k tournament win topped her entire WNBA salary.
  • “Chelsea Gray was named 2026 Unrivaled League MVP... They pure, they be. I mean, I can’t say enough about them. I love watching them play.” — Ocho (56:02)
  • Acknowledgment of generational sacrifices: “I’m very thankful of the guys in the 70s and 80s that gave me an opportunity so I can make the money that they didn’t make.” — Ocho (57:33)

• Women’s Basketball Future (57:33–60:19)

  • Hope for a future with top stars like Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers, JuJu Watkins joining up, even as NIL and off-the-court earnings keep some out.
  • “If you can get those big guns to join, it’ll take it to a whole 'nother level.” — Ocho

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NBA’s New Era: “The young guard is coming. The league is transitioning away from those guys, and that’s okay.” — Ocho (03:32)
• On Face of the NBA: “Right now, I don’t think they got a face of the league... All things being equal, who they want to be the face of the league, that’s not who wants to be.” — Ocho (06:03)
• On Byron Scott vs. LeBron: “The mere fact that you even think it’s possible [for a 41-year-old LeBron to contend] lets you know just how great this man is.” — Ocho (38:13)
• On Double Standards: “When LeBron didn’t have nothing to go with him, y’ all say if he was great, he would win… You never did that with anybody else.” — Ocho (39:47)
• On Evolution in Sports: “Things change, people. And it’s okay... Evolution is going to happen with your blessing or without.” — Ocho (45:26, 46:18)
• On WNBAs Missed Opportunity: “The sad part is this is happening in Unrivaled, not the WNBA. This is what you should be having in your league.” — Ocho (53:52)
• On LeBron’s Career: “Whatever you thought LeBron James could be... he superseded that. He’s exponentially exceeded it.” — Ocho (49:29)
• On Women’s Pay: “Chelsea Gray… when she won a one-on-one tournament, she got $200,000. That was more than her salary for the WNBA.” — Ocho (56:02)

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Flow & Tone

The tone is classic Club Shay Shay: passionate, playful, direct, and honest, often switching from expert breakdowns to locker-room banter seamlessly. Ocho and Shannon riff off each other in rapid-fire, poking fun and digging deep. Their language is rich with sports analogies, and their candor on race, legacy, gender, and business keeps the energy high and the insights sharp.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is an unflinching tour of where pro basketball (men’s and women’s) stands in 2026: • The NBA is truly global — and nobody knows who’ll be its next American superstar. • LeBron’s legacy is secure, yet contentious, with Lakers old heads like Byron Scott sowing division even as LeBron continues breaking records and carrying relevance. • The WNBA is missing its moment, as Unrivaled showcases what the women’s game — and its players — deserve in terms of respect, stage, and compensation.

Whether you’re a stats junkie, a legacy debater, or a WNBA supporter, this episode is essential Club Shay Shay: sharp, funny, and always willing to call out hypocrisy at any level of the game.

Transcript

[Ocho]

Hey guys, it's your favorite UNC here. Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of Nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports. Stay for the story. The Cavs showed their toughness today when they beat the Nets 106 to 102. James Harden scored 22 points in his return in the lineup with a broken thumb. Keon Ellis also played with a fractured finger today and still was able to put up five blocks and Steel three steals. The Cavs got a defensive menace at the trade deadline from the Sacramento Kings. Yeah, look, the thing is that I think the, it's on his non, non shooting hand. James is a lefty and I think it's his right thumb.

[Joe]

Right?

[Ocho]

Yeah, he's. He played well today in his return. I think he had 22D and 7. I say something like that. The bigs played. Played okay. I thought Evan Mobley played well. You look at this, this, this graph. I don't know if you guys can see it, but Detroit 45 and 14, the one seed. Currently Boston 40 and 20, the two seed. The Knicks are 39 and 22, the three seed. The Cavs 38 and 24, the four seed. Toronto 35 and 25, the five seed. So if the season ended today, Cleveland will face Toronto. The Knicks will place. Face the 76ers. Boston will place. The Magic and Detroit, well, would play the, the. Whoever wins out of the seven, the. The 710 matchup. But look, it's close. Obviously it's not as you know, what is three and six. Three and six is. It's a bigger separation than what it is in the Western Conference because it's only two games separating three from six in the Western Conference and it's about six games separating five and a half, separating three to six in the Eastern Conference. But Detroit, Detroit's looked, it looked well all year. They played really well. They got an all NBA selection. And Cade Cunningham, I think Duran's gonna be all NBA selection also. He might make the all defensive team. Hell, Cade might make the all defensive team because he's, he's, he's that good. Yeah, the problem they're going to have is that Duran is going to. Damn. They get a max contract five years over 200, over $200 million. And it's better. It's kind of like football choice. Better to sign these guys early than late because they don't. And in basketball they don't give discounts and teams don't even ask them in baseball they don't give no discounts. Ain't nobody with Darren Joe say, hey, hey, Judge, check this out, man. We trying to put a team around you. Can you cut? No. The owner, the player, the players association won't let you do it, right. Shohang ain't cut no deal. The only deal that he cut is that he says, you know what? I'm nice. I'm nice like, Boss, give me 2 million a year. And then the other 68 so he gets done. So he's only costing them $2 million a year. That's why they're able to just stack players on top of players. You get a Freddie Freeman, you get a Bets, the guy that just signed for 60 million a year, you get those kind of guys because you get guys taking deferred compensation. Now, they'll do that, but it still keeps the market up here. Right. And so. But it's going to be very, very interesting. The NBA has kind of been quiet this year, Ocho.

[Joe]

In terms of what?

[Ocho]

Well, Steph has been out because you can see the shift coming.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Coming. The young guard is coming.

[Joe]

The old move on.

[Ocho]

Steph is going to move on. Katie's gonna move on. You know, and so things. Things are going to be different. Things going to be different. The. The. The league is transitioned away from those guys, and that's okay. The league is in great hands. You know, it moved on from Dr. J, Larry and Magic. It moved on from Jordan. It moved on from Kobe and all those Shaq and all those guys. The league will be fine. The league will continue to prosper. Yeah, it'll be fine. I'm trying to hold on. I'm looking up. Trying to look up these stats right quick. Yeah. I think.

[Joe]

I mean, the NBA, obviously, the. The new guard that is coming in, they. They have a lot of excitement. Obviously players that. That put butts in the seats that a lot of fans, regardless of what team you support, you look. You look forward to watching them. Obviously, Ant man, you got. You got Wimby. I'm not sure if you would put Zion in that due to the inconsistency of actually being healthy. It actually playing

[Ocho]

could have been in there.

[Joe]

Hey, Kate. Cade.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Obviously in that conversation, John. I'm not sure what's going on with y'. All. Over.

[Ocho]

Over. You got Wimby, you got sga, you got Ant Man.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Ocho]

You know, you got yoke. Obviously, we mentioned we got Brunson. Jb, JT is out. But. Right. The younger. I mean, there are a lot of under 30, under 30 guys that's gonna, you know, the league is gonna. That's gonna have to carry the league. Like those old guards like Magic and Bird and Doc and, And. And. And. And Jordan and then Kobe and Shaq, and here come LeBron and KD and Steph, and all those guys harden. It's gonna, you know, gonna move on also. But those guys, you know, go ahead.

[Joe]

You know what's funny is, obviously with the new guard coming in and all the great names you just named, who the hell is the face of the NBA? Now? Once that old guard moves on, who's the face?

[Ocho]

They don't have one. And they. They want Ant man, but Ant man said, no, let Wimby do it. Ant man want to be Ant man. And, you know, Antman. Ant man want to go, you know, Ant man don't, because there's a. That's pressure that comes along with that. Oh, yeah, yeah. So you have to, you know, your image and everything and where you go and how you can clean up.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And answer. No, that ain't. That ain't me, cuz. I ain't gonna hold y'. All. You know, I ain't really trying to, you know, when I'm in Atlanta. Y' all see that the collab that's going on with Magic City and the Hawks, you know, I'm trying to be dying. I'm trying to get on them lemon pepper wing. Hey. Huh?

[Joe]

The collab is March 16th. We going right?

[Ocho]

You and Joe going.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay. Well, me. Well, me and Joe, we'll tell you. We'll tell you about it. Yeah, we'll tell you about it.

[Ocho]

I might hit. I might hit. Mag up. Say, Mag. Let me get one of them hoodies. Yeah, they got Atlanta Hall, Magic City, collab, hoodie that's out. I might take a look at that. But right now. Right now, Ojo, I don't think. I don't think they gotta face a league and. And, you know, obviously, all things being equal, who they want to be the face of the league. That's not what he wants to be. And, you know, you want somebody to embrace that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Guys used to embrace, you know, Magic and Bird and Kobe And Jordan and LeBron and Stephen, they embraced it. And there are guys that are willing to embrace it, but NBA is like, nah, we don't kind of want y' all to be the face. We won't. We want him. We want him to be the face.

[Joe]

Right, right, right, right.

[Ocho]

But I think eventually it might have to, because it's becoming such an international game and some of your best players are international. If you probably had to take a pick, your top five players in the NBA, maybe top seven are all international players. So it might be your face of your league. It might have to be someone that's

[Joe]

not even from here.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Because if you look at, if you look at, I mean if you look at baseball, it's one or two players, it's Aaron Judge or Shohei. And if you take a poll, they probably gonna say 90% to say Shohei.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

But the MLB Ocho has always had that. They've always had Dominican, they've always had Cuban players. They've all always had players from, you know, you know those countries that have dominated and been the case.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

And, and so now in the Asian born players, where it be Nomo or Hideki, Matsui, Ichiro. Yeah. They've also some Korean players. So they've always had that basically this shift that happened. Yeah. There were a few foreign born players, like I said. I think I read somewhere it might have been nine players that was in the NBA in 92.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

And now you might have. Every team that play in the Olympics might have three, four guys. Look at Canadians, damn near the Canadians. Whole team is in the NBA. The Slovenian team have players in the NBA, the Serbian team, Jokic, team Greece. So it's a lot more so now it might be, it might, you might not have a choice but to have a Shea or a Giannis or you know, one of those guys, you know, a yoke as the face. It is what it is. It is what it is. Because right now Cade is coming. I think he's a couple. I mean, Ant man, but it's Ant man that has the charisma, he has the personality.

[Joe]

Personality.

[Ocho]

Yeah. He has the shoes.

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[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He is. He is. He has a game to match. But Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You have to want someone to want it. He has to want to be it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You can't force it on him.

[Joe]

It comes with too much. It comes with too much pressure. You have to conduct yourself a certain way. Not only on the court as an example, but even off the court. And I mean, if you know Ant personally, that ain't, that ain't happening. That definitely ain't happening.

[Ocho]

You look at the quarterbacks, you look at them, that, that's been the face of the league. You know, you look at, be it Marino or Elway or Montana or Brady or Manning or Mahomes, you see Josh Allen. The way they kind of lead to that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, Josh Allen, like, man, they really. I want to be the baby. We've been doing this thing. We've been dating for like six months. You want to get married. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You want to get mad? Okay. You see the quarterback. They don't be wasting no time, Ocho.

[Joe]

Oh, no.

[Ocho]

So we will see. I. I think there's some American players that's getting better. Like I said, K. Cunningham is getting unbelievable. We got Ant, man. We got jt, we got J. Jb, JT would gladly, gladly accept that role. The problem that he's having that he's getting pushed from a teammate. Right. It's hard to be. Hold on how you the face of league and you're not even the best player on your own team. Oh.

[Joe]

Some would say now that all.

[Ocho]

That's. That's my point.

[Joe]

Right, right.

[Ocho]

And so, you know, normally with the guys, the face of the NBA, you got to be the one, y'.

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

Yeah. So it's gonna be. It's gonna be very interesting in the next. I think, look, we do all this talking all we want to until 23 for the Lakers league. He's still it.

[Joe]

You think so? Still.

[Ocho]

He's still it. He's still it.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

You look at his social media, you look at his engagement, you look at who moves the needle. Right. It ain't no question. No question.

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[Ocho]

The Knicks snapped the Spurs 11 game winning streak with a blowout 114 to 89. Mikhail Bridges had 25. Jalen Brunson had 24. The spurs couldn't overcome 22 turnovers that led to 24 points. And they were out rebounded 54 to 41. Something that they really. They're not because of Wimby. Wimy played well, but, you know, they went on the run. I think the Knicks went on a 20, a run, outscored him 22, 0. And they could never get back in the game after that. They never could, but they played. Look, you got Michelle, Mikhail Bridges, and Alvarado. He comes in the game and he's a spark plug. And you knew he would be that type of guy that the Knicks crowd would love because he plays with a lot of energy. They like that. A lot of hustle, a lot of grit. He's gonna make a big shot. He's gonna, you know, get to get you a couple of turnovers. He's gonna feed, you know, get the crowd energized. I'm not surprised that the. The Nick bas love him as much as they love him. I'm trying to pull up this. No, I don't want this game. Scores here. Where is it at? Oh, here it is. Yeah. Champagne, three points. Wimby was 20, was 25 and 13. But they shot terrible from the three nine of 34, 24, 20. What's that, 26, 42 from the floor. And the mere fact that they only had 89 points let you know. But they had OG had 12, Car Cat had 12. Josh Hart almost had a triple double. He had 10. Mikhail Bridges had 25. Bronson had 24. Diwari had 14. But they got overall contribution and look from everybody. Yes, they did. And, and like the. And you know, the Knicks want to play. You know, want to play. They got Mikhail Bridges, who's a wing defender. They got Josh Hart, who can defend. They got OG could defend, right? Mitchell Robinson comes in, he can bang and he could defend. But they do a great job. They do a great job of keep creating chaos and, and turning turnovers into points. And that was really the difference in the ball game. They. They just kept turning the spurs over. The spurs couldn't protect the ball, and they're gonna have to do a better job of that. Look, they had won 11 games, have been playing really, really well, and to. To play at the level. I don't think they were gonna go undefeated heading into the. The postseason, but I think they're, you know, I think the coach is pleased with the way they played thus far, but today was just one of those games. A Nationally televised game. It's an early game. They don't normally play that early. Oo, but give those guys, give those guys credit. They played, the Knicks played an unbelievable game today and they got to win in blowout fashion.

[Joe]

And the Knicks needed this too, huh?

[Ocho]

They needed this.

[Joe]

They've been, they've been play. They haven't been playing too well, especially as a group collectively. The way they played today is how they can play it. They can find some type of balance, you know, not too high, not too low, but find an even kill way to play collectively as a group the way they did today. They can, they can, they can make some hay and make some noise similar to what they did last year. I know I've been watching Stephen A. He's been upset with the Knicks the past few games and, and, and what they've displayed out there as far as the product is on the court. But I mean shockingly to my, to, to me, you know, knowing that the spurs were playing the Knicks, I thought obviously the spurs would run away with this game. And the Knick look completely different, you know, a completely different team, you know, watching them play today.

[Ocho]

What a swarm. Wim Wimby have seven turnovers by himself. Of those 22. You can't turn the ball over like that because now you create, you get run outs, things of that nature. And like I said, the, the Knicks can cause you that type of problem if you turn the ball over because they got really good defenders. OG can defend at a high level. We know Mikhail Bridges can, we know Josh Hart can. So they got guys that can clamp the ball and keep the ball in front of them. And, and so in Mitchell Robinson comes in. Obviously Cat is 7 foot and he'll block a shot here or there. But that's not what Cat is known for. He's known for, you know, being a perimeter big that can shoot the ball extremely well. We know Brunson is Brunson, he's gonna get you buckets, he's gonna make clutch shots. He's as clutch as any player that we have in this league. So we know what he represents is that when they play defense like this, they make they for they force you into turnovers and they make you shoot 30, 26 from the three. You're not gonna beat them. And they double, you know, they made 17 threes. You made, you made nine. So now they out they 24. They're plus 24 from the three point line. So if somebody's plus 24 from the three point line and they force you into 22 turnovers. This probably was going to be the outcome of the game. You're probably going to get blown out. Yeah, it's really that simple. It's really that simple. And so give the Knicks credit. I mean, I'm sure Stephen A is happy about this. Happy but not satisfied. Right. Because he know they got an uphill struggle because Boston has played well. Boston. Boston is playing extremely well. Toronto is putting that thing together. Toronto is better than people think. I watched him the other night, you know, Scotty Barnes and Bi those guys. Those guys are playing RJ Barrett, they got some scores over there. They're playing really well. Yaka, Porto, Portal. They're better than you think. Now, do I think they can beat the Knicks in the seven? Nah, I don't. I don't think, you know, when it's all said and done, it's probably going to be Boston and, and probably the Knicks. Looking at how everything is kind of like shaping up. Oo look like he's going to be Boston and Knicks. If I had to bet anything, I like Philly, but I just don't know if indeed Embiid's gonna be healthy enough. Tyrese Max is going to be. Tyrese Maxey. Edgecombe is going to do Edgecombe things. They probably, you know, I don't know if and when PG is coming back, but if I had it, he was like, okay, Shannon, who do you. If I mean, who do you think is going to be in the Eastern Conference finals? I probably say Boston and. Boston and Knicks. And that's a. That's an old rivalry they had. Well, it happened last year. I don't know if we'll ever get those. Those 80s rivalries like it once was, but we'll see. We'll see. The Knicks play well today. And they needed this ball game. They definitely needed this ball game more than the Spurs. The Spur needed it to try to keep place with okc. Because the thing is, like, all things being equal, like, I think they probably need the home court more than okc, because the type of ball the OKC play, it does travel. They got a lot of wings. They got five, six guys that can defend at an elite level. Shay, you already know. Pilsing shay in for 30. You just p him in 30. You know he gonna get there. Yeah. And so now you get a couple of those other guys that come along with him. You get Chad, you get J Dub, you get Wallace, you get some of those other guys. Isaiah Joe, you get some of those other. And Kusha, he always shows up in big games. He's gonna make the right play, he's going to create chaos, he's going to create turnovers, he's going to knock down a big three, he's going to get a big big steal. He knows what these moments meant mean having played on that Lakers championship team and and before that and last year. He was a big reason why they won the championship last year. Some guys just understand the moment and they can rise to the occasion in said moment and Caruso is definitely is one of those guys. So The spurs look 11 straight games Ocho to get back in this thing and they're the team that gives OKC the most trouble. But you never know in a seven game series. You never know an injury here or injury there.

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[Ocho]

Former Laker Byron Scott wants LeBron James off the team, Scott said. I think he should be his last year here. I don't he don't have to go home, but you got to get the hell out of here. Oo are you surprised to see Byron Scott publicly calling for LeBron's departure?

[Joe]

That that wasn't AI. Byron Scott really said that. You heard me on Byron Scott really

[Ocho]

said that publicly that's what he said. Yeah, he's on spotcat.

[Joe]

I mean, that's, that's crazy. And obviously, maybe, maybe I don't. I, I doubt that Byron Scott would really feel that way. Or maybe he actually does because LeBron is not the same LeBron of cold. But, but, but, but saying that he needs to leave LA and Luke would just be the only person there that, that is somewhat consistently outside of Austin Reeves makes no damn sense. So why is LeBron being the one that's being called out from Byron Scott when all the other issues that even Ray Charles can see that they have going on with the Lakers right now?

[Ocho]

I don't know. I, I think the thing is I, and, and I don't know when this started happen that, that, that guys from an organization, great guys from an organization, would all of a sudden call out guys that's currently within the organization. And maybe this is a Kobe thing. LeBron was never really accepted, even though he really revitalized the Lakers organization. I don't care what anybody says. And I think the fans understood. They know that. They know what the. What, what the Lakers were Kobe last three years and when Kobe left, they know what the Lakers were. I don't know what, what, what is this? Right? What are we talking about if LeBron doesn't come? The Lakers are not selling for a billion dollars. Right? You're not, you're not going to be able to get Luka because you don't get A.D. a.D. Is not coming to LA. It's just. I don't, I don't know what LeBron did to piss so many great players off.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, he. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. I get it, Ocho. And a lot of times we talk about this on the show all the time, Ocho. These guys currently in the NFL get privileges and things we didn't get. But I don't begrudge them because we got things in the 90s and 2000 that guys in the 70s and 80s didn't get.

[Joe]

Didn't get.

[Ocho]

They got things in the 70s and 80s that guys in the 50s and 60s didn't get. It's this thing called evolution. The game grows, the game evolves, and, and people get more things. It's okay. But this notion that LeBron James is the only one that's ever had power within an organization, do y' all realize that a man won a national, won a championship and Magic had a falling out and he says it's either him or me and Dr. Bus fired the Coach that wanted that one, an NBA title. Yeah, that happened, lad. Bird did the same thing. It happens. But for some reason, anything that goes wrong, that is the reason why. That's what free agency was meant to do. So you mean to tell me you want free agency and then want guys to stay? If that was the case, what was free agency for? What was free agency for, Ocho? If guys are not going to move around. Yeah, I get it. Teams trade. Team will trade a player like it's nothing. Don't perform in what they do. Even if you do perform, if they think they can get better, they'll move you. Yeah, but now players say, you know what? I think I've gone. I think it's going about as far as it can.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

But LeBron, there have been a lot of guys that's moved, but nobody has caught the criticism. And LeBron James has never asked for a trade. Every time LeBron James has moved Ocho, he's played his contract out. He played his contract out in Cleveland. He went to Miami, he played that four years out, he went back to Cleveland, he played that four years out and he headed to la. I, I just, I just don't get it. I, I don't know. I've never, I've. You've never. I've never heard so many great players, championship winning players take shots at LeBron.

[Joe]

Well, you saying it come with the territory.

[Ocho]

You.

[Joe]

He sits at the top of the mountain. He's the great one, he's the chosen one. He's the one with the moniker the King. So what do they do regardless of his accomplishments, regardless of his accolades, you know, I mean, you people that they argue the Jordan LeBron debate, which. About the greatest basketball player of all time. So what happens when you're the greatest at what you do, regardless of what you've done? Even those that have played, you know, your sport, they're going to have something to say, whether it's good or bad, because what you've done is not enough to them. Despite what we may think on the outside, despite what you may think and understanding how great LeBron is and what he's done for organizations to date, again, he moved. He moved the needle. So what's one way to move the needle on a platform? We want eyes and viewers to listen you talk about the one all the way at the top.

[Ocho]

Yeah, But I think LeBron is smart enough to know Ocho, he knows there was nothing he could do to topple Kobe. That's not what he just. Because I be just Because I'm trying to achieve something. That doesn't mean I'm trying to take his statue down. Why can't we both regret. I think he understands that in Miami it's going to be. It's Wade County. He understood that. Do I believe, do I believe in Dwyane? Wade knows that LeBron is a better player. Yes. But if you might ask Miami Heat fans, they'll say D. Wade.

[Joe]

Right?

[Ocho]

So he knew no matter what he did, he could not be winning US Championships to overcome Kobe, Magic, Kareem and Shaq. That wasn't gonna happen.

[Joe]

No.

[Ocho]

And I, I think he, I don't think he's, he was that naive. Just like, man, you know, what if. And I don't think he went in with that mindset. He didn't go with that mindset. Kobe, Kobe came there as a 17 year old kid and left as a fully grown married father of three, four kids. Yeah. Rest his soul. And Gigi, that's what he did there. And that's okay. Same thing with Magic. Magic came there and never left. Magic was a 20 year old. Now, most of the other great play, I mean, obviously Shaq spent four, spent four years, if I'm not mistaken, in Orlando. Kareem spent I think six years in, in Milwaukee. But you know, you look at James Worthy, you look at Jerry West a lot, you know, and, and, and Elgin Baylor, those guys, you know, spent their careers there. But I, I just, I, I don't know what LeBron did to piss off so many people. Hey, a lot of Ocho. Yeah, I believe I can like, I can like Travis Kelce without constantly taking shots at Gronk, constantly taking shots at, at Gates or Gonzalez. I believe I can do that. But it's almost like I wonder if he would if he was anywhere else other than the Lakers with Byron. And I love B. Scott. I used to see B. Scott all the time in the gym. We used to see the gym Equinox and I used to see B. Scott all the time. We always talk hoop and he's a great guy. But I wonder if LeBron wasn't on the Lakers, would he still feel it's time for LeBron to leave?

[Joe]

No, absolutely not. Because I mean his, his, his love for the Lakers, it'd be different because it's not on my team. It's not a team that I was a part of.

[Ocho]

When Kobe hit Kobe last years, did you hear anything about the Lakers?

[Joe]

You know damn well nobody would dare say that, huh?

[Ocho]

No. But, no, I ain't talking about Talking, wanting Kobe to leave. But he wasn't even mentioning the Lakers. The Lakers, they'd have no chance. Ain't nobody talking about Lakers and a chance to contend for a title. Nobody mentioned that. And then when Kobe left, ain't nobody mentioned Lakers are contending for a title.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

The mere fact that you even think

[Joe]

it's possible is because LeBron, for a

[Ocho]

team with a 41 year old to get to the championship lets you know just how great this man is. Tell me the time in history another 40 something year old has played. And you know what we gotta check. They had a chance to get to the championship or they had a chance to contend for a title outside of

[Joe]

time leaving New England until goddamn NBA. Okay.

[Ocho]

Not Jordan, not Kobe.

[Joe]

No. His longevity.

[Ocho]

Yes. But look, he got his reason for whatever it is. I, I don't know. I don't know. So I don't want to get into speculating. There was something said. I don't know. And I know B. Scott love his Lakers. And if you played in this organization, most especially, he spent most of his years there.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But B. Scott, you know now you know that there was a transition that when Kobe won the championship in 10, nine and 10, they didn't come close. They didn't come close. And nobody said a thing. Ain't nobody said so. 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. So eight years, nine years ain't no lake if they come close.

[Joe]

Yeah,

[Ocho]

and y' all had Kobe, so you had Kobe. 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 15, 15.

[Joe]

Hey, but they ain't had nothing to go with him though. Hey, it was the main course with no side.

[Ocho]

Oh, well, you don't need Nothing come from LeBron. When LeBron didn't have nothing to go with him, Y' all say if he was great, he would win. That's what y' all did with LeBron. Now they did this when LeBron. When you never did that with anybody else. Yeah, you didn't do that with like, you see what you said? You see what you said? They don't got you convinced of that?

[Joe]

Oh, no, I'm, I'm just being honest. I'm just, I'm just being honest. I mean, Kobe, Kobe's the main diss. There was no size to go with it. There was no dessert. So the chance of winning was slim to none.

[Ocho]

Now Kobe, you so great. That's what you do. You don't need nobody who needed teammates. That's what y' all tell me. Because every time I turn around, he couldn't win. A championship without D. Wade. He couldn't win a championship without Kyrie. He couldn't win a championship without Anthony Davis.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

And you just told me Kobe ain't have nobody to go with him. Last I checked, Shaq's in the hall of Fame. Last I checked, pal Gasol is in the hall of Fame. Last I checked, Scotty Pippen in the hall of Fame, Dennis Robins in the hall of Fame. So in other words, what you're trying to tell me is that no matter how great you are, you need a teammate or two? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. I'm just checking. I'm just, you know, you got to

[Joe]

have a two headed monster. If you got three, it make it even. It make it that. It make it that. That much easier. If you got three, yes, but. But thinking you're gonna get it done. But one man, you got four, you know, just four partners out there. Just. Just going through the motion. It's not happening.

[Ocho]

Duncan.

[Joe]

Not happening.

[Ocho]

Duncan had Manu. Had Manu and Tony Parker, and then the last one, he had Kawhi.

[Joe]

Hey, boy. Kawhi was crazy at. With the spurs, boy.

[Ocho]

Oh, after Tim. After Timmy left. What? Yeah.

[Joe]

My goodness.

[Ocho]

He knew.

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He.

[Ocho]

He knew he had to take on more of a role. He had to take off. You know, he. He was perfectly tip playing the back seat. You know, hey, I let all. Hey, let Manu. Let tp. Let Timmy pop. Said, nah, bro, it's time for you. He's like, okay, I give you. I give you 25, 26 a night and lock it down on the other end. But I. I'm surprised. I think the thing that's surprising is that people say, look, people might feel a certain way and might say things in private. Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

That never get public air. But to say this publicly, I'm a little surprised.

[Joe]

You know what. And you know, we don't know us also.

[Ocho]

What.

[Joe]

There might be things that go on behind closed doors. There might be things that are said that going behind closed doors that we don't know about. That also makes Byron Scott say something like this publicly. That has nothing to do with. With anything that we know.

[Ocho]

Okay. Here. Scott also seemed to take issue with LeBron saying today's game is harder to play than in the 80s and 90s. The game is different. I want people and our fans to understand that playing 82 games in the 80s and 90s is not the same as playing 82 games in the 2000s. It's just not the way we play. The level of pace, the level of Speed in which we're playing a different. It's a different game now. Is a totally different game. It is, it is. When, when, when, when, when B. Scott played in the 80s and the 90s, they might had two guys per team that can shoot the three.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Now on a, on a 12 man roster, they got 10 guys that can shoot the three. And you have to guard them all. Bless you. Everybody Is a viable option. There was no such thing as no stretch five, no stretch four.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

They have that now. The pace is increased. Bless you. Yeah. Thank you. The pace has increased and you have to guard multiple every. For the most part. Everybody again. Evolution Gods are more skilled. The guys are skilled. Yeah. Much better. You ain't having no Kevin Durant's. You ain't had no damn wimpies. You didn't have that. You damn sure have no Steph Curry. Bless you. It's okay. It's okay. It's. It's a different game now. The NBA, the NBA is different. The NFL is different. It is. I mean the game is become. The guys are doing. Ocho guys are doing more exotic coverages now than when, when, when you and I played.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

That's okay. It's okay to say that. That's not to diminish our era. That's not to enhance their era. It's just facts.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know more the scouting departments have gotten better. You think, you think scouting now back, you think when they started scouting players with Cleveland Browns, when they first started. The thing is that Paul Brights reported that Paul Brown. The reason why they timed the 40, Ocho, because that's how far the punt went. So how fast could somebody get down there to get him? The ball normally hung up there about 4.5 seconds, right? 4.5 seconds. You can run like that, cuz you're running pretty good. Dallas Cowboys and Gil Brandt took it a step further because Ocho, you know, they used to draft players and never work them out. They just look at the scouting thing. Look at them. Look at them in college. Well, you know, play, son.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Ocho]

We will draft you first. We will draft you the second round. We will draft you the 15th round, the 17th round. Then the Cowboys take it a step further, huh? Gilbrandt, Tex Stram, they actually brain players. They put them through everything. Hence a combine, a combined style workout.

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[Ocho]

So you think, so you think the way they started scouting players in the 60s is the same way they scout players now?

[Joe]

No, absolutely.

[Ocho]

They got these scouts on the road every damn weekend, Ocho. Every week they Find somewhere looking at players. Yeah, they didn't do that in the 60s. As a matter of fact, they didn't even have a combine. They just drafted a guy based on what his college numbers were, how he looked in college, and they drafted him. So things change, people. And it's okay. It is okay. That doesn't mean, that doesn't take away anything from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s and so forth and on. It's just, that's just the way it is. It is, it happens. Technology changes, Ocho. Look at the, look at the cleats, look at the helmets, look at the basketball shoe, look at the way they train horses. Things change. I don't know why people can't see that evolution is going to happen with your blessing or without.

[Joe]

Or not. Yeah, I mean, or, or they don't care. Well, one or the other. To complain, to complain about it anyway. Everything gets better over time.

[Ocho]

Tonight, LeBron moved into fifth place on the Lakers all time assist list, surpassing Michael Cooper. Magic is 1. Kobe is 2. Jerry west is 3. Storm and Norman Nixon is 4. LeBron is 5. Coop is 6. Kareem is 7. Elgin Baylor is 8. Excuse me. This is LeBron's eighth season with the Lakers. Obviously we know Kobe spent 20 years there. Magic, I think from 79. I think Magic played about 12 years. Cool played. We know Kareem played, I think 13, 14 years there. And I saw LeBron is the second Laker to make a thousand threes, only behind Kobe. And obviously you would know Kobe played 20 seasons with that organization and was great and LeBron is already second. Obviously they shoot more threes now than they did back when Kobe got into the league. Ocho, how do you think LeBron would be remembered as a Laker? You think that he, you think he gets his jersey retired? You think he gets a statue out front?

[Joe]

You know what, I don't, I don't think he gets a statue out front, but I think he gets his jersey retired. I mean, what he, what he was able to do once he came to the Lakers and, and helping that franchise obviously win a ring. A ring that a lot of people put an asterisk behind because it was a bubble ring or whatever it may

[Ocho]

be because LeBron won it, somebody else wanted. They would have put no bubble behind it. Yeah. Put no aster behind it.

[Joe]

Yeah, I, I got, I understand what you're saying, but people have to understand and, and, and, and take whatever hate they may have for LeBron and understanding what he was able to do during his Time during his tenure with the Lakers with what he had to work with outside of that, I mean, being one of the greatest argobe, the greatest, the one or two basketball players to ever play this game. I think he should be acknowledged in such a fashion in such a way based on that alone, whether he gets a statue or not. But retiring at 23, jersey for the Lakers, it would only be right and not to do so. It'd be ridiculous. It'd be damn egregious.

[Ocho]

I mean, imagine. Ocho, just think about this. I want you to picture this. Tom Brady is one of the three greatest high school football players ever. Yes, he goes to college and he's one of the three greatest college football players ever. And this the next big thing and he comes to the NFL. And even as a great high school player and a great collegiate player, he's even better in the NFL. Well, that's what LeBron James was. Yes, he was one of the three great high school players ever. And whatever you may have thought he could have been, he superseded that.

[Joe]

Exceeded it completely.

[Ocho]

He's exponentially. Nobody thought this man would be a four time league MVP, go to 10 NBA finals, win four of them. Four finals MVPs. What? Two, three all star game MVPs. He's the all time leading scorer. He's the fourth leading assister. He's a top 30 rebounder. He's a top 15 or 10 assist guy. I mean a steals guy. Nobody thought that. Whatever you thought LeBron James can be based on what he was in high school. And they've been a lot of great high school players, right? LeBron is Ocho. And his name hadn't come up on any crime blotter. He hadn't been a source of tabloid speculation. He's been squeaky, squeaky clean.

[Joe]

Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.

[Ocho]

And still people find fault. Well, he flops all great players hunt calls. They do. Just like every time the quarterback gets hit, what does he do? Oo, look to the right, you ain't gonna throw the flag. Yeah, something man, you saw that man hit me. I know we playing football, but he wasn't supposed to hit me. Yeah, he wasn't supposed to hit me. Hit me. You know he's supposed to lay me down, you know, Ain't got no pillow. Hey, you got to go to the sideline to get him a pillow so he can throw me on the pillow.

[Joe]

People always complain. It just depends on who's doing the flopping. It always depends on who's doing the hunting. Then they turn A blind act. Depends on who it is. That's all it is true.

[Ocho]

I agree with you though. I don't think he gets a statue. But I do think. I think they.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Based on what he's done, you know the All Star. The. The All Star games. I think so. He's been the eight All Star. He's been what? He's been. He's gonna be. He was a seven time all NBA selection. So if you cut his career up in sevens, in. In sevens or if you cut it up in eights, He's a Hall of Fame player. Every eight. Every eight, he's a Hall of Famer.

[Joe]

That's crazy.

[Ocho]

And I know they're gonna miss him when he's gone.

[Joe]

Oh, let them tell it. The game will continue to go on.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's gonna go on.

[Joe]

But it won't be anything like that. We won't see anything like this for a very long time ever. If ever again.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. A guy. A guy. A guy that played this long and to play that great, great. This long.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It was a big night for the UN rival semifinals. KP Kelsey Pum hit a game winner to go to the championship. She finished with 31.6 rebounds, five assists. And then Arike Ogumb also hit the game winner. Fans started chanting, play the players. Pay the players. Let's take a listen to this guys. Kp. KP was. She was the women's all time leading scorer at one point in time until Caitlyn Clark broke a record. She's the number one draft pick. So KP can get it. KP got boogie. KP a heavy on you. And she quick to try to get to the rim with that lefty. And hey, go all the way up underneath or hey, she. Hey, she'll go up with the right hand. Enrique, she been making shots like this. Go back and check out at Notre Dame when she hit that buzzer beater. This is what Rique do. This is what Reek does. Yeah, this is. I'm not surprised when they say, oh man, a reek hit a gate. And tell me something I didn't know. That Jeff Bezos sold bean pies at a truck stop when he was a kid. That's something that I didn't know. But you gonna tell me Riquet hit a game winner.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Ocho]

And. Right, right. Hey, look, the Unravel is doing a great job down there in Florida. I love watching those girls come out and compete on a night to night basis. I love what they did with the 1v1 setting. But uncle, you're right, KP, she the real McCoy. Man. That girl. That girl got some game. And she tough as nails too, bro. Tougher than wet leather. Oh, tough as. I don't know where she be out there getting to it. Oh, yeah. I'm talking about them girls. Hey, look, do you see the crowd? It's sold out up in there. Look like. Yes.

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[Ocho]

So, so they talking to the WNBA when they say pay the players. Yes. I think the unrival is doing a pretty good job in hosting the girls. Obviously the pay Barclays was packed. Joe, Think about this, Joe. The sad part is this is happening in unrivaled, not the wnba. Yeah, imagine. Imagine, Joe, we getting plays like this and the players. It's not the NBA. Yeah. This is what you should be having in your league. Absolutely. Absolutely. This is what we. This is what we should have. This is what should happen. I don't want to get into the minutia because I don't know enough on either side. All I know is, is that I hope they don't mess this opportunity up because the women game was starting to grow and whoever was being charged for it, I don't care. I don't care who wants to get the credit, who takes the credit. All I know is that there was a level of interest in the women's game that wasn't there before. And people started talking about it. We were talking about it. We were talking about it on ESPN and we were talking about it on here. And so people started to talk. So I don't care who wants to get the credit or who deserves the credit. I just want the women. I want the game to grow and everybody to be happy. Me too. Hey, so Caitlin Clark, she not playing in this, right? No, she don't play. No rival for what she does. 6, 7 million off the court. Why she need to play? These women, they're only a handful of women that's making bucks. Asia makes money off the court. Sabrina UNESCO off the court. Caitlin Clark is, is, is, is the Moby Dick. Yeah. Is the white whale. He makes money off the court. But all these other women and to keep from going overseas and, and being held be captive, they're like, okay, let's start this. And they're doing a great job. Hopefully the women now all of a sudden can make 750amillion dollars a year as opposed to women taking pay cuts from. Especially with nil. Caitlin Clark took a pay cut. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They definitely. 70,000. Yeah, they definitely all gonna be making some M's in the next some odd years.

[Bowen Yang]

Good.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, look. And it's gonna get better because if you can get those big guns to join, like the unrivaled. I don't know if they would, but if you can get those big guns to join, it'll take it to a whole nother level. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta look at girls like juju Watkins, who will be coming into. Who will be coming into the WNBA or playing in the unravel. Maybe, maybe next year. Or juju. Yeah. She's not playing a senior. She's not playing a junior year. She's gonna be the first player selected. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And them ladies that can go one on one. Paige Beckers. Yeah. Chelsea Gray. Yeah. Kp. Yeah. Although juju. Caitlyn would be. I would love to see Caitlyn play, but I don't think she's gonna play. Asia has other things, other interests going on outside of that. So I don't think Asia is gonna play. But it was, it was, it was an unbelievable scene tonight. It was an unbelievable setting. I mean, I, I hate it. I hated to see KP leave Vegas, but I mean, she was a third option. Yeah. Yeah, she was the third option. Everything's gonna run through Asia. Everybody understand that. We talked about the greatest. Well, if she's not the greatest, she's top two. Hello. And she ain't two to me. But anyway, that's nothing there. But with that being said, she understood. You got Chelsea, you got Jackie Young. So she's like, you know what? I want to do my. I want to start my own thing and, and more power to it because she played unbelievable. I love her game. Like you said, Joe, she's extremely tough. She's passionate about the game they play. Hey, they pure day. They be. Hey. I, I mean, I can't take enough. I can't say enough about them. I love watching them play. Rk. She's, she's phenomenal. Yeah. Hey, y' all do know Chelsea Gray. When she won a one on one tournament, she got 200 grand. That was more than her salary for the WNBA. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yes, I know. And so as she was, you know, she won the mvp. She can play. But like I said, so many of these women, especially now. And it happens when the NFL started, guys making, you know, a hundred dollars a game. Ocho. And in each year generation. And hopefully guys look back and. Because I'm very thankful of the guys that were in the 70s and 80s, 60s, 70s 80s that gave me an opportunity so I can make the money that they didn't make. And the guys that came after us that's making the money that we couldn't make. So I'm hopefully guys are appreciative and know that there are a lot of sacrifice. There are a lot of guys that got injuries and, and, and, and, and down, down on their luck that didn't make. Well, you should have saved them. Save what we're making. Nobody back then making. Hey, you making $12,000. They had a lot of money, right? You absolutely. Chelsea Gray was named 2026 unrivaled league MVP in her second season with the Rose. She got. They got put out by Paige Becker's team. I think Paige Becker's team. Yeah. I think that's who beat them. In her second season with the Rose BC she averaged 24.2 career high, 5.6 rebounds, career high, 6.1 assist, career high four game winners. It's. You know, I think, you know why I think it's so fun to watch because it's three on three, full court. It's not, it's not a traditional full court. Obviously the floor is shrunk a little bit. Right. But that's fun to see the change of pace, the three on three. There's not a lot of help in situations like that. Like you really got to guard your yard, guard your man, you know, hold your own. That's what I love about it. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey. They could play game like this Is Taylor made for like a real Chelsea who can handle the ball? Pat the rock. She got the game. 101 is good. Kelsey Plum one on one. Paige Becker's one on one. Reek one of women that can handle the rock one on one is always going to be. Be their thing. Absolutely. If you can get by your man, you can get a bucket. You can create off the dribble. Can't nobody stay in front of you. This is, this is your. This is. This is what you do. You can't stop that.

[Joe]

He.

[Ocho]

That he go get you. Oh, man, them girls go get you every time. Oh, Joe, we found the video. Let's check it out. Joe. Let me see what he got going.

[Joe]

Ain't. Ain't no sound.

[Ocho]

I don't know what you got. Looking like Jackie Jordan.

[Joe]

I had to get to get him. I had to get them pants off.

[Bowen Yang]

Boy,

[Joe]

With a little incline on there. Hey, the funny thing about it too is I could do it assisted but if I had to do it on my own like free Will I never get. I never run that fast.

[Ocho]

No, no, no. That's called. That's old speed training. Yeah. Because we do that. We do. We did on the treadmill and we also did it with a band that would delay and get you to. Yeah, yeah. Because pull you along. It's kind of like.

[Joe]

Oh, pulling you along. I thought you meant someone pulling you back.

[Ocho]

Yes, yes, yes. And then they released. Then they release it and then you run it on your own. Yeah. So it gets. It gets. You used to running at that speed because like you said, you not just running that on your own.

[Joe]

Hell no.

[Ocho]

So I could just imagine, because they say Usain Boat could get up to 27, so he can run 27 on his own. He probably go crack 30, 31

[Joe]

easy.

[Ocho]

Damn body, though. Hey, man, when you run like that. Oh, it keeps your hips open, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Well, the thing is you. It gets you used because you can't stride. Now you got.

[Joe]

You got to turn over. You got to turn over. You got to stay with the treadmill. If you don't stay with the treadmill. Yeah. Gonna fly the off.

[Ocho]

Boop. Yep, that's exactly. That's exactly what's gonna happen. So you get guys and so it's teaching you to. To turn over. Damn, Ocho. You was moving, Ojo. You was moving.

[Joe]

Hey, the funny thing. The funny thing about it is the place that. That was the place where I'm at now. I'm back on the treadmill again, but I ain't got nowhere near no 24.

[Ocho]

Hey, how. How were you then running on that treadmill?

[Joe]

I wasn't even playing no more. I wasn't even playing no more. That was. That was. I forgot what year that was. I forgot what year that was. I definitely. I definitely wasn't playing.

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