Best of NBA News Part 2: SGA BREAKS WILTS RECORD, Unc & Iso Joe DEBATE the Biggest NBA Draft MISS

Summary

Club Shay Shay – “Best of NBA News Part 2: SGA BREAKS WILT'S RECORD, Unc & Iso Joe DEBATE the Biggest NBA Draft MISS”

March 15, 2026 | Host: Shannon Sharpe (‘Unc’), Guests: Iso Joe, Uncle Ocho | iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay centers on the hottest topics from the NBA season: monumental records being broken by modern stars like Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA), legendary draft “misses” and all-time “whiffs,” the rise and dominance of current NBA standouts, and a lively debate about franchise-building, team chemistry, and the global transformation of pro basketball. The hosts and guests dig deep into what makes today’s NBA unique, challenging conventional wisdom with sharp analysis, personal anecdotes, and comedic back-and-forth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Biggest NBA Draft Misses of All Time

[03:08–07:32]

• Opening Question: Mark Cuban once called passing on Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2013 as his biggest draft regret, sparking a much wider conversation about league-altering draft whiffs.
• Iconic Draft Misses:
  • Passing on Michael Jordan for Sam Bowie due to team needs and perceptions about size (Portland’s reasoning: already had Clyde Drexler).
    • “Back then you weren’t taking no little over no big.” – Joe [03:48]
  • The Blazers taking Greg Oden over Kevin Durant, with recognition that Oden was a “beast” in college but KD was “special.”
• Modern Examples:
  • Steph Curry and Damian Lillard: teams doubting college dominance would translate.
  • Luka Doncic vs. Trae Young: Revisiting Atlanta’s swap sending Luka to Dallas.
• Honorable Mentions: Sacramento “keeps missing” — passing on Luka, Steph, and Klay — but the panel predicts their luck might change with a top pick.
• Charlotte trading Kobe Bryant for Vlade Divac: Cited as “crazy,” but with the reminder that high school players were a big risk in that era.

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2. SGA Breaks Wilt’s Legendary Scoring Record

[07:32–09:18]

• Milestone: SGA scored at least 20 points in 127 consecutive games, besting a Wilt Chamberlain record that stood for six decades.
  • “When you say somebody has passed Wilt, you really gotta take a look... He really getting to it.” – Uncle Ocho [08:06]
• Dominance & Consistency:
  • Averaging 32.5 over the streak, on pace for a second consecutive MVP.
  • SGA has grown not just in numbers but in leadership; he’s “not satisfied with just winning” — wants dominance.
  • The impact of efficiency: “35 tonight, 13 for 18 from the field… probably gonna win his MVP again.” – Uncle Ocho

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3. Luka Doncic’s Unstoppable Offense (and Hidden Weaknesses)

[09:19–26:00]

• Luka's scoring explosions: Regular 40+ nights, dangerous from deep – “seven of 13 from three.”
  • “The one thing we know about Luka, he can put the ball in the basket—there ain’t very many that can put in the B like [him].” – Joe [09:29]
• Defense, Usage Rate, and Efficiency:
  • Luka is “bad” defensively—“he ain't giving you no two slides” but still warps the game offensively.
  • If you can limit him to inefficient scoring (say, 35 points on 30 shots), you've done your job. If he's efficient, “now I’m in trouble.” – Joe [25:41]
• Memorable Moment: Describing Luka’s wild shot-making: “Take a one-legged shot from 28ft, fall out of bounds into the next bench. What the hell you gonna do?” – Joe [21:28]
• Player Preference: Would you take Luka over Anthony Edwards (Ant) or Jayson Tatum? The panel is split, highlighting “preference” and acknowledging Luka as a generational offensive engine.

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4. State of the NBA: Who Holds the Power?

[26:14–36:09]

• Importance of Stars Having Help: Comparison of modern ring culture vs. previous eras, and the backlash greats like Barkley and Malone get for not having titles compared to complementary pieces.
• “Ring Culture” Critique:
  • “Some guys got rings and people actually think they're better than Charles Barkley or Karl Malone. And you're high.” – Joe [37:45]
• Changing Attitudes: Reading the “loyalty” debate – Giannis and Dame staying “too long” on mediocre teams; KG’s Minnesota years as cautionary tale.
• Conundrum: Does Giannis leave to chase more rings, or stay loyal for legacy? Parallel drawn between fan expectations and what truly makes a great player.

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5. The Spurs’ Ascendance and the Changing Contours of the NBA

[46:09–64:51]

• San Antonio Spurs’ Depth & Playstyle:
  • Outrunning, outshooting, and out-defending teams like Houston with 145-120 win. Four players with 20+, 57 bench points.
  • “They got some straight run waves at you… every five to six minutes, they come in with a new set.” – Joe [55:27]
• Wembanyama’s Uniqueness:
  • Sits at the center of Spurs’ transformation—able to dominate both ends, his presence alone upends strategy.
  • “It's like you holding up two broomsticks in a lane.” – Joe [71:00]
• On Defensive Challenges:
  • When you can’t move Wemby from the paint, you simply “ain’t gonna get any layups.”
  • Sengun’s offensive value vs. defensive liability – a microcosm of Houston’s problem.
• Rising Bench & Chemistry:
  • Praise for role-players like Castle, Brian, Champagne. The panel notes tight team relationships and likens them to OKC’s positive culture.
• Playoff Projections:
  • Despite Spurs beating OKC 3 of 4, there’s hedging: “In the playoffs, it’s a different ballgame.” Edge given to OKC for now, but consensus is Spurs are close to a Finals breakthrough.

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6. Globalization of the NBA

[71:00–74:32]

• Will Wemby Become Face of the NBA?
  • Jokic jokes he’s glad he’ll retire before Wemby “holds the league in a chokehold.”
  • “You’ve never seen a guy that tall, that skilled, that can shoot like KD but is 5 or 6 inches taller.” – Joe [71:00]
• Shift in NBA’s Best:
  • Acknowledgment that nearly all top NBA players are foreign-born now—Jokic, Giannis, Luka, SGA, and Wemby.
  • “You’re not taking one American player over Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Shea, you’re not. Not even Wimby… so that’s five right there.” – Joe [73:09]
• Developmental Differences: European/foreign players' growth is accelerated; playing pro by age 14 (Luka cited) compared to the U.S. NCAA/AAU system.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On SGA breaking Wilt’s record:
  “When you say somebody has passed Wilt, you really gotta take a look… He really getting to it.” – Uncle Ocho [08:06]

• On Luka’s shot selection:
  “You had his… you just hope he missed. That man take a one-legged shot from 28ft, fall out of bounds into the next bench. What the hell you gonna do?” – Joe [21:28]

• On ‘ring culture':
  “Some guys got rings and people actually think they're better than Charles Barkley or Karl Malone. And you're high.” – Joe [37:45]

• On today’s NBA game speed:
  “The game is played at such a high pace, bro… it’s just come down, boom, boom, pass, three, layup, floater. The game's so different now, bro.” – Uncle Ocho [67:24]

• On Wemby’s impact:
  “Nicola Jokic says, ‘I’m glad I’ll retire before Wemby holds the league in a chokehold.’ Never seen anything like it.” – Joe [70:22]

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Important Timestamps

• NBA Draft Misses & Debate: [03:08–07:32]
• SGA’s Record Streak & Modern Stars: [07:32–09:18]
• Luka’s Impact & Weaknesses: [09:19–26:00]
• Ring Culture and Franchise Building: [26:14–39:43]
• Spurs, Rockets & Team Building: [46:09–56:12]
• Wembanyama, NBA’s Global Future: [71:00–74:32]

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Episode Tone & Style

The conversation is animated, barbershop-style with plenty of friendly ribbing and storytelling. Both hosts and guests bring in their lived experience—either as athletes or lifelong students of the game—delivering technical analysis in relatable language that blends humor, history, and genuine appreciation for the current NBA landscape.

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For Listeners

This episode is a must-listen for those who love inside stories, nuanced NBA debates, and forward-thinking analysis. You’ll come away understanding why today’s era is as much about missed opportunities as it is about new legends, and how the NBA’s future—led by international phenoms like SGA, Luka, and Wemby—will look nothing like its past.

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[Joe]

Mark Cuban says the biggest miss owner is passing on Giannis Antetokounmpo in a 2013 draft. Cuban and Cuban ended up overruling his fellow executive who love Giannis and traded pick for Lucas Nogarilla and cap space Joe. What's the biggest NBA draft whiff of all time?

[Uncle Ocho]

Draft whiff? I mean. I would say Jordan but hell King went one.

[Joe]

Back then you weren't taking no little over no big nah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah. I don't know. You got something in mind?

[Joe]

Whoever passed on Dane, whoever passed on Steph?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh yeah. Hell yeah. You know what, I don't know what it is. You know when them guys dominating college like that, they don't think it's going to translate cause some it don't but I just felt like it was kind of destined for Steph. He can shoot it for whatever reason.

[Joe]

See a lot of people said that about Trey Young. I said let's just say for the sake of argument he don't give you 27. Do you see how he passed? He was averaging double digit assist. So let's just say that comes all the way down to say somewhere between 17 and 22 he's still giving you double six double digit assist.

[Uncle Ocho]

I agree.

[Joe]

I said he can shoot. When you can shoot the ball with that kind of range and handle it and get others involved.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's why you make the big bucks.

[Joe]

Yeah oh Portland, they passed on. They passed on. They took a Greg Oden. Oh no. Kd. Yeah oh Portland.

[Uncle Ocho]

But Greg Odin was a beast.

[Joe]

He was in college he was nice.

[Uncle Ocho]

KD was special. But Greg Oden. I could see how I could see how that could. You know, you'll probably think about that one, too. You know, don't think about what KD's done in the pros, but in college, he was special. But Greg. Odin was special, too.

[Guest]

But I remember watching Greg Oden at Ohio State. He was nice.

[Joe]

They took Sam Bowie over Jordan at Portland, but they said because they had Clyde, if. I think. If I'm not mistaken, they already had Clyde. I think they had the. I think.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they already had Clyde. Yeah. But. Yeah, you. We. We had to make that work. You couldn't make that work. Yeah.

[Joe]

What? So.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't know, man.

[Joe]

I mean, Luca with. Luca with what? Where did Luca go? DeAndre?

[Uncle Ocho]

The house draft.

[Joe]

Trey Young was in that draft. Luca was in that draft.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, the Hogs drafted Luca and then traded him for Trey. Did y' all know that the Hogs drafted Luca?

[Joe]

How do you think that would have been?

[Uncle Ocho]

You never know, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, Atlanta love Trey, man. They love Ice Tray, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

What? Hey, this.

[Joe]

Look.

[Uncle Ocho]

This. I always be home for Boosie.

[Joe]

I chains all a he, Quavo, you name it. They love Trey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. Trey done a lot for the city out there, bro.

[Joe]

Sacramento. Just stay effing up. They passed on Luca. They passed on Steph. They passed on Clay. They gonna gang.

[Uncle Ocho]

Look, they gonna get it right. They gonna get. They gonna get them something special this year, though. All they need is a top five pick. They get a top five pick, Ocho. Yeah, they gonna get them since. They gonna get them, huh?

[Guest]

They back in business.

[Uncle Ocho]

They gonna get. They gonna have a. They gonna have a guy who they can kind of start building around for sure.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, the. The Hornets traded Kobe for bloody divots.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, like, Kobe. Woody went like, 11, 12, something like that. It may have been, but them high schoolers, you couldn't see that back then.

[Joe]

The legendary Will Chamberlain owns one less NBA record thanks to Shay Gilgis. SGA broke will record for six decades by scoring at least 20 points in 127 consecutive games. SJ street started Nov. 1 of 2024. He's averaging 32.5 during that game, during that streak, and he's on pace to become the first player to average at least 34 consecutive seasons since Michael Jordan. Joe, this is your sport. How impressive is this?

[Uncle Ocho]

It's very. It's very impressive. You know, Wilt seems so mythical because we. We never got a real. Real chance to see. I'm just being real. So when. When you say somebody has passed, Will, like, you really got to take a look at you like. Like, hold on. Shot ain't playing out here. He really getting to it. Like, man, the man 35 tonight, 13 for 18 from the field. Uncle Ocho, he missed but five shots and it was a big game. They playing against the Boston Celtics. Tatum didn't play tonight, but, man, this is what you get from him, bro. He probably gonna win his. He probably gonna win MVP again. He gonna win MVP again. Two time mvp. And from everything I've been hearing from him throughout this whole entire season is that he wasn't satisfied with just winning. He didn't really like the fashion and how they won. Uncle Ocho having to go game seven with the Pacers, he didn't appreciate that. He felt they should have got rid of teams a lot early. He didn't appreciate playing against the Nuggets. Game seven, you know. So I think that the OKC Thunder are getting healthy. They're getting the leader back to where he's focusing in on this run down the stretch. Oh, boy, he got a. He got a. He got a mean heel to climb.

[Guest]

He nice.

[Joe]

Luca got 41 through three.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe right now, who they play?

[Guest]

Hey, who they playing?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, everybody feeling good, ain't they?

[Joe]

Look, the one thing we know about Luca, he can put the ball in the basket, dangle. There ain't very many that can put in the B. Like, I mean, hey, he's seven to 13 from the three.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn.

[Guest]

Hey, he on fire.

[Joe]

He gonna. He going. He gonna get 50. First of all, I know one record ain't gonna ever fall. Ain't nobody about to average 50. Ain't nobody about to average 44. Ain't nobody about to average the rebound. And ain't nobody about to get 55 rebounds in a game so that we straight with that one.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ain't nobody averaging no 50 fell.

[Guest]

Hey, hey. Your boy got 19 tonight, man. DeAndre 8.

[Joe]

Yeah, he been rolling.

[Uncle Ocho]

He been rolling. Well, you see Brian back?

[Joe]

Yeah, Fake Braun got like 14.

[Guest]

Yeah, he got 14.

[Joe]

Yeah. What you think the next record is going to be? I tell you, one record that's not going to be safe. I don't think. I don't. I don't think Steph three point record is going to be safe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, you don't.

[Joe]

Is way ahead of the pace.

[Uncle Ocho]

They shoot a lot of three now. The boys probably 12, 13.

[Joe]

Steph like first four or five years. Now there was a stretch where he went like seven, eight years where he was getting them up, but his first couple years he was. He's probably shooting about 4 or 5 a game now. That's around 8, 9, 10 a game for a stretch.

[Uncle Ocho]

See them boys shooting? Double figure. They shooting 11, 12 threes a game.

[Joe]

Luca got the. Think about it. Bam. Shot 22. Yeah, I want. I want Steph to break the record. I want Steph to make 15 threes.

[Uncle Ocho]

He got to make 15 more.

[Joe]

No, I want to make 15. In a game.

[Guest]

In a game. Who got the record?

[Joe]

I think Clay. I think Clay got 14.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn. Well, how long? How long? Curry out.

[Joe]

They say another two days or another 10 days, 10 games, something.

[Uncle Ocho]

What is this hamstring?

[Joe]

Don't start me. The line, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn, you boy moving, man. Hey, it's picking up. It's gonna be go time.

[Joe]

Thunder beat the Celtics 104 to 102. Wow. The Nuggets rally to beat the San Antonio Spurs 136 to 131. Snapping the spurs five game winning streak. Wimby sat with injury. Nicola Jokic, 31 points, 20 rebounds, 12 assists. Jamal Murray, 39 points.

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, come on, bro. How Luke Cornett gonna be out here 25 minutes and give you a donut playing in place of win.

[Joe]

He worried about Magic City.

[Uncle Ocho]

I know, that's what I'm saying. Come on, bro. But damn, we ain't really get to. I need to see women tonight. Cause it's been some teams having Dima, Denver number. Uncle Ocho.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, don't get me wrong, Big Joker.

[Joe]

Joker, look, he didn't see that. He gonna get whatever he want to get. Read that. You not stopping that.

[Uncle Ocho]

This man, this man. 30, 20 and 12. Come on, man. But hey, Jamal Murray cooking though.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

39. Yeah. They got two guys playing at a real high level, man.

[Joe]

Yeah. Luke Cornette worried about talking about. Oh, that says the wrong. You ain't. If you not going, why you care? Hey, and the man had. The man had 31 points on 17 shots.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

There was 30. They were 36 of 38 from the free throw line. San Antonio was 26 of 32 from the free throw line. They.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, San Antonio was kicking their butt too.

[Joe]

They was up. They were. They was at one point up 20. Stefan Castle had 30. Vassell had D. Fox had 27.

[Uncle Ocho]

Castle had a triple double. Yeah.

[Joe]

Harrison Barnes had 20. Carter Bryant 10. Dylan Harper 13. They made 19 threes.

[Uncle Ocho]

They gonna be a problem.

[Joe]

Boy, they are 19.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm talking about a real problem. Damn, man.

[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Guest]

Hey, Unc, can I ask you a question?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes.

[Guest]

Would you really take Luca over like an Ant man or Jason Tatum?

[Joe]

I would.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's your preference.

[Joe]

Okay, look, I think the thing is, is that Luca kicks a lot today. Luca was locked in, and we're gonna talk about it a little bit. He locked in, caught up a couple of charges, poked the ball out from the back. L ball of the day. But that's scoring, right? He about to have his, I think, his fourth season where he's averaged 30. He's 26. He's 26. Yeah. He gonna put. Yeah, look, he gonna take bad shots. He's very unorthodox. He's gonna take some bad shots and he gonna complain. He gonna shoot a shot and he

[Uncle Ocho]

gonna turn and look to the official,

[Joe]

and he's got room and laid it up on the other end. That's. That's just what it is.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

But I think the thing is, and I. I. You talk about a guy that's been. He was a first team all the NBA selection for five consecutive years.

[Guest]

5.

[Uncle Ocho]

Luca the Dawn.

[Joe]

Hey, but it's just that if he were to stop complaining, I don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't.

[Joe]

I don't need him to sit in the chair, Joe. I don't need him to do that. Just don't get beat on the initial drive. Can you do that? That's all I want you to do. If he's trying to beat you on initial drive, cut him off, make him pull it back off, or make him give the ball up. That's all I need, Joe. Because if he beats you on the initial drive, help gotta come. If help, somebody compromise, somebody else open.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, well, I'm sorry to tell you.

[Joe]

That's all I need.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, he a bad boy. He a bad boy. But when it comes to sliding them puppies, he ain't giving you no two slides. He may give you one, and that's a rap after that. Yeah, he.

[Joe]

I don't know what got him in the day, though, Joe. I don't know what got him today, but L. He was kind of locked in today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think. I think him knowing LeBron wasn't playing, you know, he know he had to lock in a little more, you know what I mean? Like, you ain't got Braun out there, you know, you gotta be great, you know what I mean? Like, you and Austin gonna have to carry us tonight. I think they knew. He knew that from the start.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. I mean, this is Austin.

[Joe]

Austin looked really good tonight. He was. He was aggressive. Put the ball on the plank. Put the ball on the floor. Getting to the Paint Luka's Luca. When Luca making shot. Excuse me, guys. When Lucas making shots like that. You had his. You just hope he missed that man. Take a one legged shot from 28ft, fall out of bounds into the next bench. What the hell you gonna do? The other night, he kissed one off the glass from 29ft. What the hell you gonna do with that? Hey, you hook up on him, he can get by you. He's so herky jerky.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

He's so unorthodox. Yeah, he ain't. He's not gonna beat you with speed. He's bigger than you think. He's stronger than you think. You looking at his body like, oh, this milk toast. I'm about to cook him. Okay, Cook him. Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Cook him. It don't seem like he's supposed to be making some of the shots he take, but he took 16 threes tonight. He was five for 16 from the three. He took 25 shots. That boy don't mind shooting that sidestep, going left to that three. Do it.

[Joe]

Nope. And on the fast break. Hey, he'll pull. Hey. He'll stop and let it go. Hey, but you look. He gonna have a high usage rate. He gonna look. The likelihood of him ever shooting 50% is not good because of the shot selection that he takes. He's not taking, you know, I mean, you. You look at him in the shots, you're like, Luca, you just gotta accept it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You just gotta accept it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Cause you. You want him to be aggressive. You want him to assert himself. You don't wanna. You can't take that away. Especially when LeBron's not playing you. Even when LeBron is playing, you still want him to be himself. But hey, hey, when you look at them Knicks, man, I told you, hey, this season don't end how it's supposed to end. Your boy Yan is gonna be in New York. I don't know how Bridges played 27 minutes and then scratch Lee. I mean, how they gonna win? They can't win like that, huh?

[Joe]

He got in power trouble early.

[Uncle Ocho]

He can't get.

[Joe]

First of all, he tried to be aggressive with Luca, and Luca's gonna use that against you. He gonna get you on his back and then he gonna stop and then you gonna jump and he gonna boop you, bump it from the back. And then guess what you had. Free throw line. That's the same thing you. I mean, and I think the thing is you want to try to get up into Luca. You want to try to be physical with him, because that's the thing, be physical with him. You try to take advantage of him. You put him in the pick and roll because he's their weakest defender. If you can say the Lakers have a weak defender, a weak is because they got a lot of weak defenders, but he might be the weak is. So you try to put him in the pick and roll. You try to get physical with him because, you know, to say the same thing about European players, they're not that physical. You know, you get physical with Jokic and you get physical with him. Yeah, yada, yada, I get all that. And so, you know, and he's probably done cried so much things like, man, I'm tired of the joke of crying. I don't want to hear him cry tonight. So let's call some fouls. And he went to the free throw line because remember Joe, we talked about it the other night. He went to the free throw line 10 times. The other night he went to the free throw line four times.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he went to the line 10 times. Yeah, but they need him to be like this though. He has to be aggressive because his offense is his defense, fellas, you know what I mean? Like, if that's the case, he completely took Bridges out of the game. He was a non factor, you know what I mean? So yes, he done his job in that part, but they gonna need these other guys to step up, man.

[Joe]

I mean, if you play, if you go against Luka, you got to give them at least half.

[Host]

He does.

[Joe]

Yeah, give you. Because if you don't, I mean, he gave you 35, Bridges gave you nothing. So he's plus 35 in that aspect.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So you got to have him up. At bare minimum, you'd like to play him to a tie. Now the thing is, Joe, and the same thing with, with SGA or any of these players, Joe, if they get their numbers, let's just say Luca gets 30, 35 and it takes him 30 shots. Joe, I've done my job. Yeah, I've done my job. Yeah. Shay gets 35 and it takes him 28, 29 shots to get it. I've done my job. What I can't do is allow him to get 35 on 16, 17.

[Uncle Ocho]

There you go, there you go.

[Joe]

Cause now I know he's being extremely efficient now. He ate them 16, three that he took. He made 11 of them. Now, now I'm in trouble. That's the thing with a school. If you get your numbers and I make. And I make. You get those numbers being inefficient.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you gotta. Hey, you gotta shake his hand.

[Joe]

Quarterback throw for 300, 350 yards, Ocho, and it taking 57 attempts, I can't do nothing about that. I just can't let him have 350 on 30 attempts.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right, right.

[Joe]

Cause that just means if he got 350 or 30 attempts, Ocho, he probably completed 25 of them.

[Guest]

I mean, you know, the funny thing about it is, depending on who they play, when you play these special players, obviously, like a Shay, like a Luka, like a Joker, like a Wimby, and if you don't have a player that has the green light to be able to shoot in volume to match their point total, there has to be something else you can do to be able to stop him. Huh? Hey, Joe. Something else to slow him down. But every time we come on and we talk about the game of basketball and how difficult it is to slow them down, how difficult it is to contain them, I mean, it's bad. Especially when they only give you. Well, Luca in general, since that's who we talk about. They only give you on one end of the court.

[Joe]

They only give you the court. Yeah. Do you realize that Wimby has more blocks than Joker in his career?

[Uncle Ocho]

How?

[Guest]

He just got in the NBA.

[Joe]

Exactly. That just goes to show you. That's my point.

[Uncle Ocho]

Thank you. Yeah. Joke ain't blocking no shot.

[Joe]

No, that's not. That's not his game. His game is, is that I'm gonna punish you so bad.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So bad on the offensive end. And I'm gonna get my teammates involved so much that you ain't gonna be able to do nothing. And if you don't, like I said, that's why he killed. Look, if you go back and look at his numbers against Gobert, because Gobert can't make him work, he's not gonna give you anything on the other end. So now Joker is just free to do whatever. Whatever he's gonna do. Yeah. 60 point, you know, triple double or whatever he had.

[Guest]

Hey, hold. You hold. I told you, you got.

[Joe]

You got. You gotta make a guy. You gotta make a guy like Jordan, you gotta make a guy like Kobe. You've gotta make them work on the other end. If you don't, if you let them coast,

[Uncle Ocho]

gotta make them uncomfortable and.

[Joe]

And let them use all that energy on the offensive end, you in trouble. You better make that baby work on the defense. And you got to make him guard somebody.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Facts, facts.

[Joe]

That's why they always took Larry and put him on the week. You take Larry Bird and you put him on the weakest offensive guy. I want you to say that engine.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I need you to bust their ass. On the other hand, that's why I always tip my hat to something like a. Like a Kobe or Jordan or these guys that are offensive guys and says, you know what? I want the defensive challenge as well.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because it takes a lot. You got to exert a lot, and everybody can't do that. Yeah. Jordan did have a luxury that he had, Scotty. So he could easily, like, you know what, aka Scotty. And you talk about a guy that's 6 foot 7 that had long arms, that could slide his feet as well as a smaller player, but everybody don't got that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you, you, you, you have to. You have to want to dominate the game, bro. They wanted to dominate the game. I'm talking about from start to finish. Yes, they wanted to dominate the game. It was no way that you had a chance to win, which is why they pick back. Then back in the day, when you look like we always talk about the top four to eight teams in the NBA, really, probably four or five. They play tough defense, bro. They play extended pressure. They pick you up full, weigh you down like they were doing KD tonight. Picking them up full, wearing them down. That's what they gonna do to you the whole entire game. And hopefully in the fourth quarter, you ain't got enough energy to continue to play at that peak level. You know what I mean? Yep. Yeah.

[Joe]

The Lakers beat the Knicks 110 to 97. LeBron James was a late scratch. Do a elbow contusion, arthritis in his right, in his left foot. Excuse me, but LA held the number three team on offense to just 47. Excuse me. Under 43% shooting with 19 turnovers, which is 20 points below the Knicks season average. Like I said, OG, excuse me. Mikhail Bridges only gave him zero points, but you look at. Rui came in, played really well. He gave him 13 points on three or eight from three. Marcus Smart. Hey, he a defensive guy, but he didn't shoot the ball well today. But you had. Luca had 35, Austin Reeves had 25. And like I said, Joe, you and I were talking about this Luke Canard. Yeah, Luke Canard's been a content. Yeah, because they basically swapped Luke Canard for Gabe Vincent.

[Uncle Ocho]

There you go.

[Joe]

Vincent. Look, they got him after he had that great run with Miami. You know, he was a guy that made some three with a three and D guy, but It's. I don't know what it is, but when guys can shoot the ball wherever they are until they come to the Lakers or they team up with LeBron, and all of a sudden they forget how to shoot the ball.

[Uncle Ocho]

Too much pressure.

[Guest]

It's different over there wearing that jersey, huh? It's different over there wearing that purple and gold, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

A big city, bright lights, man. It's a little different. Hey, you know. You know what's going on.

[Joe]

Expectations. The number one kill, the number one killer is expectations. We've seen. We've seen guys with nothing expected. We've seen guys when nothing was expected, teams when nothing is expected of them.

[Guest]

And then.

[Host]

Whoa.

[Joe]

And then the next year, when they have those expectations, what they do. Because now we have expectations where. We didn't have that last year. You have expectations on a player where we didn't have that last year. So let's see now what they. Now that they know what you can do, they know who you are. They know what type of team you are. All right.

[Guest]

Can you still do it again?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's the hard part, man. You have to. You have to be hungry for success to do that, bro. Like to want to do it over and over.

[Joe]

I thought they did a great job of. They didn't turn. They only had 13 turnovers, the Lakers. Yeah, Luca had almost half of those. Yeah, but he's. He's. Look, he has a high usage rate. The ball's gonna be in his hand. When you have the ball that much, it's hard for you not to turn it over in an abundance. It just is. Most guys that lead in usage gonna be up there in. In turnovers. Just the way we go back and look at guys that's led in usage and see their turnovers, where they rate. Yeah, but this was a big win. They was. This was a big win for them. They. They needed it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, it was. It was a huge game, too.

[Joe]

Huge game.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they. Hey, they. I'm telling y', all, man, if the Knicks don't do what they supposed to do this year, your boy. That's where your boy gonna be at. Watch, right?

[Guest]

Young boy from Greece.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Greece did that this.

[Guest]

This season, huh?

[Joe]

Well, he. Well, you talking about. Hold on. He talking about he don't want no ball. Dominic Garde. What do you think, bro? They gonna trade Brunson?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, listen, he go, hey, look, he gonna have to deal with this. You're gonna have to get with it. Cause we. We got a plan now. Yeah. Ain't Nobody trying to hear all that, man.

[Joe]

But if you think about it, with the exception of maybe San Antonio, a few every. All the really good teams got their ball dominant.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe]

If they got the ball with okc, who got. Who got who. Who has the ball with the Lakers? Who have. I mean, I don't think Boston's gonna break up their team. Boston swings the ball. They're not swinging. Cade has the ball. So I'm just trying to figure out where he think he gonna go.

[Guest]

And somebody as great as the Greek freak is, right. You don't think he can adapt to a different situation where you don't have to touch the ball all the time, as great as you are.

[Joe]

That's not who. That's how he. That's. No, that's not who he is. He not kd. His. His.

[Uncle Ocho]

His numbers won't be as gaudy as they are now. It won't be 30 and 15.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Uncle Ocho]

He might have to take it down, Uncle Joe. Take it down about 20, 24, 25, and 12 or something, I'm saying. And be able to win the championship.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, what you doing over there? What y' all doing in Milwaukee over there? Y' all ain't got nothing going.

[Joe]

True.

[Uncle Ocho]

You ain't got nothing going. Would you.

[Guest]

So I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if he is to go to the Knicks. So that means basically, if he does bring the ball up, I mean. Nah, that. That don't make no sense.

[Uncle Ocho]

He would have times. Ocho.

[Joe]

I'm not.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm not saying they gonna take the ball out his hands, but it just probably won't be as much. And we. We got options. We can.

[Joe]

You know, Yanis got to have a high usage rate. Look at Giannis's usage rate. He got to be top five.

[Uncle Ocho]

Some good games today, man.

[Joe]

I. I think the thing is, all things being equal, Joe Giannis really prefers. Because Giannis knows he's gonna be looked at differently if he leaves now. Because we look at all the guys, what do we. What do we commend Jordan for? He won six championships in one spot. What did Kobe do? Five championships in one spot. Tim Duncan, one spot. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, one spot. Steph Curry, one spot. What do we criticize? LeBron, KD.

[Guest]

But hold on.

[Joe]

Giannis knows what comes.

[Guest]

Hey, hold on, Joe. But look at the team. Look at. Look at all the players. You name that done it in one spot. Look at the teams that were built around those said players that you just mentioned. The teams where LeBron has played for, did they have anything that matches up or were even equivalent to the other four on the team that they played?

[Joe]

They don't care about that. Ocho. People don't care about that. No, they. I. We do. Joe do basketball. A lot of basketball people does. If you're not trying to paint a narrative, because what they say if you. Is great. If you're the goat, you should be able to win a championship regardless of who you play with.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's tough.

[Guest]

You know that other four, Joe, you know that supporting cast matter. That's in any sport, man.

[Joe]

Teams. See, the thing is, as long as a team control. Where the team traded him. So now the team traded you. That's. That's okay. But if I request to go to a team because the team isn't good enough, or the team trades me because they want to bring a player in to try to win, right now I want to go somewhere because you not bringing players in to try to win, and I want to go somewhere. You use that against me.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, Yeah. I just don't. I don't want to see a situation where Giannis gets stuck in a situation to where he's playing meaningless basketball.

[Joe]

Ain't nobody doing that.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, I know he's been there his whole entire career, and he probably don't want to uproot and move to. But this is a different era, Unc. This ain't. This ain't. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

It's not the 80s and 90s. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

This ain't that. Like, these guys don't call KG.

[Joe]

They caught KG in that situation. KG came into the 90s and guys were loyal, didn't want to leave until they're on their last. Last legs. And KG probably stayed four years too long in Minnesota. KG was supposed to be and got up out of there. But KG wanted to be loyal to the soil.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. And he'll tell you, he. He probably wish he would have left early. He could have had him a couple championships.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. So it's like, I know Giannis got one, and he wanted to stick around in Milwaukee. He's saying all the right things, but,

[Guest]

hey, man, wouldn't Dame Lillard also be an example of the same thing? Stand somewhere a little bit too long because you want to be loyal.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But you see, now we put in so much because it's the ring or nothing. See, it used to be. It was. It wasn't like that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

But this ring culture now, because fans say, well, there have been some great players that don't have rings. And you have second and third and fourth options that have rings. And they got people saying they're better than a one option that doesn't have rings.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

There's some guys that got rings and people actually think they're better than Charles Barkley, they're better than Carl Malone. And you're high.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. They tripping.

[Joe]

You're high.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But because people have placed so much value on rings, me, I'm. I'm an itest guy. Yeah. Rings. Now, if I'm factoring in Joe, if I'm saying est greatest, I think you have to bring rings into the occasion. And even though I understand that this is a team game.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I factor it all back. I factor in regular season MVPs, final MVPs, all NBA, all defensive, all that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Points, rebounds. I bring all that into the equation because I think you have to when you're saying greatest. But these people, I mean, a lot of people like, oh, he ain't got no rings. He bad people like, they, they crap on Charles Barkley. If you actually saw Chuck play, if you actually saw him play, you will never see another guy six foot four under lead the NBA. And reboundings he did that dominated. Charles Barkley was a power forward at 6 foot 4. And back then, everybody played with a true 5 and a true boy. Please. Yeah, everybody had a big. And they had a big ass power forward to go alongside him. So you had Robert Paris at seven foot. And then you had Kevin McHale at 16. You had Ralph Sampson at seven four. You had Akeem Elijah one at seven foot. Yeah, that's how everybody played. You had Rick Smith and you had them big ass Davis boys. In Indiana, everybody played that. Everybody played with a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It wasn't no stretch, nothing.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, no, sir.

[Joe]

And I, look, I get it, but now, I mean, you got guys. Oh, man, he got a ring. He better. There are a lot of guys, there are a lot of receivers that got rings. So if y' all say so now, receiver, they got a ring. He better than Randy, he better than Tio.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay,

[Joe]

I'm gonna let y' all say that I ain't got to call no name, but there have been some receipts that that's won some Super Bowls. And bless them, you, you've been fortunate of a team. I was a part of a team. I ain't winning. I was part of a team that won because I understand that it takes a team to win championships. Boy, let's not fool ourselves now. Let's not fool ourselves. There's some quarterbacks that's won championships and quarterbacks that have it. Yeah, come on now.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

But social media has done that because what it's done is that it's allowed everybody to have opinion and have their opinion heard.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Whereas. And so. So now. Oh, he better, he better. He better. I listen to the Michael Jordan because I saw that pop up and he's like, like, I ain't gonna get a part in this goat conversation. He said, you know why? He said, because I didn't play against those guys in their era. And I didn't play against these guys in these era. He said, it's not to take anything. KD, I think KD and LeBron. He said Kobe. He like Kobe caught me not in my prime. He called me the tail end. Yeah, but no. And it's hard. It's hard to compare errors. Cause errors do different things. Some errors they mainly ran the football, Ocho. So how you gonna say a guy. Well, he only caught. Yeah. Liz wan only caught 300 passes, but they only threw. I mean three. I mean, I think he had 300 catches for a career. But they might throw the ball 200 times a season. So if you throw the ball 200 times a season, Ocho, how many passes you think they gonna catch? Will you divide it up between four wide receivers and two tight ends? Yeah, you right.

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[Joe]

Beat the Rockets by the score of 145 to 120. The spurs had four players with at least 20 points and put what wow. Almost had another had what you call them had night. Dylan Harper had 19, almost had five players with with 20 points. Joe this was a beat down from the beginning. I mean this was a close game. It was back and forth and then in the third quarter the spur, the spurs just exploded and just, just just went haywire. Wimby was Wimby, but when you get champagne he was knocking down the threes like he was knocking them down. Derem Fox was sensational up and down the court and Stephen Castle, you know we keep talking about guys, you know. Yeah offensively but he's a damn good two way player. I've watched him over the last like five or six games. He's taking the toughest assignment on the opposing end and still giving you what he's giving you offensively. Joe when you watch the San Antonio Spurs. How far do you think they can go when they're playing like this? Can they really come out of the West? Can they win an NBA championship?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Look, Uncle Ocho, what they've shown you is that those three times that they beat okc, it was not a fluke, fellas. It was not a fluke, ladies and gentlemen. Listen, this team is deep. They have so many guys that can beat you. But you know what was glaring about this? It was almost as if the Rockets was like two to three steps slower than the spurs tonight. It's like the pace that the spurs was playing at, Uncle Ocho, it's like the Rockets couldn't keep up. They can't look. Midway through the third quarter, I seen kd. What we talk about when they complaining to the rest? We know we got him. Yep, I seen KD over there talking to the rest, his tongue hanging out his mouth. Boy, hey, they done ran them boys in the ground, man. Hey, they got a lot. Hey, spurs got a lot of guys who they can throw at you, who mind playing defense and off the bounce and create opportunities for, for themselves or others. It's fun to watch, man. Not and. And not even to mention Wimby. Oh, my God. I mean, yeah, they destined Uncle Ocho. They can win it all. Yes, yes.

[Joe]

They got 57 bench points. You get 57 bench points and your starters play like they play. And Devin Versaille, he didn't have one of his better games. He only had five points. He was zero of six from the floor or of three from the three point line. Ocho, you wife San Antonio Look, Wemby, we talk about Wimby, but there's so much more than a Wimby.

[Guest]

They look good. I mean, to piggyback off what Joe said, obviously, me watching the game tonight and Joe saying that it looked like the Rockets were two steps behind. It looked just like that. Even though my understanding isn't great as his. I mean, with me not having the knowledge that I do of the game. I mean, it looked like that to me. It seemed like they were lethargic. I'm not sure what was wrong or the fact that the spurs were just two steps ahead of everything that they tried to do, whether it was in transition, whether it was offensively or whether it was defensively. They played extremely well. I'm not sure any team has the answer for Wemby. I'm not sure what you can do to stop Wemby because he's good from anywhere on the floor, anywhere on the court. He can he can put the ball on the floor here, mid range. I mean, in the goddamn paint. Joe, I'm not sure what they can do. And like Joe did say, what they've done to okc, as great as OKC is as a team, even with the depth they have on the bench, they met the spurs, match up really well with them. And I got a question for you and you and on Joe, with the way the spurs are playing, are they the favorite to win the championship this year or is everyone still leaning towards OKC to do so in the seven games? I mean, in the seven game series regards to who they have to play or the spurs the favorite?

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, it's when you see them complete, when you see a complete game, the way they played tonight today, Ocho, it makes you, you know, it makes you put them ahead of a lot of teams. But for me, man, it's the physicality that they play with on the perimeter, like just being in KD back pocket the whole game, making it tough for him to get to his spots. Pushing, shoving, the whole game, picking up full court. All that plays into the victories. Not only that, but the guys that they have, man, Fox, Castle, Harper come. These guys go off the dribble so easily, bro, and get to the basket. If you can't guard, man, you in trouble. I'm sorry you ain't gonna be able to keep them boys in front of you.

[Joe]

I think the thing, Joe, when I watch them, you're gonna have to have somebody score and they're gonna have to keep Wimble away from the basket. Because if you let him camp out from the basket, you're not gonna get any layups. He's gonna alter all your shots. And you see guys, they come in and they're very hesitant, like, damn, I got to shoot this ball like 12ft in the air in order for me to have a chance to get it up. Yeah, and he'll let you. You think you got him beat, he just spins around and whop throw it out of bounds. So the thing is that OKC does have a guy that can play on the perimeter, which is Chet, which can take him away from the basket. But if you're big, cannot draw him outside of the paint, you're going to have hell beating him. Oh, yeah, like you said. Now they do have multiple guys. The thing that I love most about them is that when their starters go to the bench, that second that shock troop come in and they give you the same type of pace, they give you the same type of tempo. Now, obviously Cornette is not as good as Wemby, but when you come in with Harper and you come in with

[Uncle Ocho]

Johnson, man, and Brian, I like Brian too.

[Joe]

Yes, yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

He high energy, he can guard everybody out there on the floor, he can guard. They play the right way. It's fun to watch him play, bro, because they can beat you in so many ways. But the attack that they have from them guards, man, the way they can get by their man so easily. Ocho, bro, you ain't gonna want to see these.

[Guest]

Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, honestly, I mean, based off what we've seen from the spurs so far this season, I think obviously if they're healthy, if they remain healthy, especially going into the postseason, I think, I think they got it. They're going to raise that. They're going to raise that trophy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now you going, you gonna put some money on him?

[Guest]

Nah, I ain't gonna do that, Joe. I don't want to put money on nothing when I'm not controlling the outcome, Joe. Okay, but I'm just saying, if you had to bet, you would do the same though, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, it'd be if. Boy, they up there, Ocho, I'm talking about, man. It's hard to go against them, I tell you that.

[Joe]

But if, if, if it's gonna be a, definitely gonna be a matchup. I tell you what I mean, Doka is not, is not very pleased with the way they play defense. They shot 58 from the floor, they shot 52 from the three. You're not beating anybody. I don't give a damn if San Antonio. I don't care if it's the, I don't care if it's, it's a Sacramento. I don't care who it is. You let a team shoot damn near 60 from the floor over 50 from the 3, you're gonna lose by 20 points.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Singoon, he can't guard nobody.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. Hey, he's an offensive guy, he's not a defensive guy.

[Uncle Ocho]

They put, they put the game so fast, they putting up in them pick and rolls and they getting the isolation. They just penetrate kicking or getting by him getting layups. But he having a hard, he's struggling playing at this pace. Yes, he's struggling playing at this pace. Cause Wimby is just, he out there floating around a three point line blocking shots. He's just.

[Guest]

Hey, Uncle Joe.

[Joe]

And Wimby blocks a shot. He, Wimby blocked blocking shot. He 100 meter, he sprint.

[Guest]

Hey, Joe, when you get in a situation like that where obviously Sengun is a liability on defense. Why not just go small?

[Joe]

You can't. He's one of your. He's an all star. Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

Who you gonna put in there? That's exactly. You play through him. You know what I mean? Like a lot of the offenses ran through him.

[Guest]

I mean, hold on. He's a liability on defense. Not still.

[Joe]

But he gives you so much offensively if you take. Let's see who you gonna put in there. Defensively, you're not gonna put Jeff Green, Phoenix Smith is too small. Isaiah Crawford, Clint Capella. But he gives you nothing offensively. Yeah, Holiday Okogi, Reed shepherd is an offensive guy. So they have a bunch of offensive guys. The problem is, is that Shun Goon is used to getting the ball all the time with the addition of kd. KD got to get some touches. Joe, you remember last year, Shun Goon was an all star.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he was all star.

[Joe]

He's still. Yeah, he was all star. Some of those touches.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. I just don't. I think that's a tough cover for him. Guarding Wimby. Like, that's a tough cover for Sengun, man. That's a tough cover for him.

[Joe]

Unk Wim is a tough cover for everybody. But if you think. If you think about it, look, if they play, Chad is gonna be a tough cover for him because Chad can play on the boundary. Obviously, Joker is a tough cover for everybody. There's no answer. So we don't. We exclude Joker. Joker don't even talk about him. Cause ain't nobody doing anything with him. The problem that you have when you. When you're. I made Doka pride himself on being a defensive team. If you look at him with the Celtics, hey, we're gonna shut. Yeah, we're gonna shoot threes, but we're gonna play outstanding defense. They don't have guys to play the type of defense that he wants to play.

[Uncle Ocho]

He got a couple.

[Joe]

It's really that simple. Yeah, they don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

All things being equal, KD is phenomenal offensively, but he's not a defensive guy. Shingoon is not a defensive guy. Now, I like Jabari Smith, but really the only guy they got this on the defensive end that's trying to hold it down is Thompson and Eason.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And when you got those young guys, you look at what's the average age of San Antonio? 23, 24, maybe 25. Young. They getting up and down, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

They got some Hoopers, bro.

[Joe]

They got some straight run waves at you. They go every. Every five to six minutes, they come in with a new set. Yeah, well, good luck. Every. They're top heavy, and most teams are. So don't. Don't think. I'm saying. But when you look at the most of their points, when you get 57 points from your bench and you getting consistent play night in and night out, Dylan Harper was, what, Western Conference rookie of the year? And you got Keldon Johnson coming off your bench. Kelvin Johnson can stop for a lot of teams. Dylan Harper probably should be in the starting lineup. But they say, you know what? We need that energy. We need those points coming off the bench because we know we're going to get from. For sale, and we know what we're going to get from Stephen Castle. And now you getting. You getting. Joe, you can take on a given night, you getting somewhere between 30 and 40 points a night from two guys off the bench.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And you know what? It seems as though nobody has a problem with it on their team neither. You know, they all. They, they. They all vouch for one another. They play hard. They play the right way. You don't see nobody out there forcing nothing. And the game just looks easy, man. It looks easy to them. And defensively, they all sit down in the chair. But when you got Wimby behind you. Yeah, it ain't. It ain't. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, but I'm with you.

[Joe]

Even if you play the chair game, don't worry about it. If somebody get your chair, don't worry about it. Get back there to Wimby. Got something for you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hello. Hello. But you know what, man? Hey, look, Castle. Castle showing me a lot, though. Uncle Ocho.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, listen, I'm talking about like, like, oh, he gonna be.

[Joe]

I mean, we talk about all defensive players now. I. Look, Jaylen. Jaylen Brown has played extremely well. We know a Kawhi Bequia is not what he once was. The injury that's taking his toll. But when we look at this kid here, he's taking the toughest offensive assignment every single night. And you ask him to still give you those 15 to 20 points that he gives you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So, hey, hey, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Young superstar in the making. Obviously, we know he won Rookie of the Year, but he shown me, man, that he ready to take that next step. Uncle Ocho. Hey, the spurs scary, bro. They scary, man. Oh, man. Yeah. Hey, nobody want to see them boys.

[Joe]

They don't. But I think the thing is, is that they took a page out of okc. You see How? Well, okc, you can tell they genuinely like each other. They genuinely like being around each other.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It's not like, okay, we get to a city and we scatter like, like, like mice when the lights come on. They like, hey, hey, bro, what you doing? Hey, let's go grab a bite you. They talk about how they spend time with one another, how they're in the group chat communicating with one one another. And I can see very similar what the spurs are doing. Yeah, that's how you would look. Most teams that win are close now. They're always going to be a situation where else. Sometimes you get outliers where a, we win and Spike and we don't really care about each other. But I think OKC and the way they play, I think everybody's trying to find, trying to find that formula because your best player holds this thing together. And Wimby is clearly their best player, but man, they young and they still got draft picks.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And, and the thing is that look, most of these guys, champagne and Wimby Yama. Yeah. You made the trade for Dear and Fox Deer and Fox said like, I'm tired of sack, blah, blah, blah, and I want to go elsewhere. And he lands here with Wimby.

[Uncle Ocho]

He probably the oldest on the team.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

So you got all these switching the pick and roll.

[Joe]

Yeah, he can get down that joke. Hey, quick as a cat on a marble table, man. Downhill and get to the rim. Hey, he can snatch it back up behind the three point line. He got a crazy head that you think he about to hit a pop. He's to the rim on you. And now you got Wimby and you got Castle. You got Vassell. They loaded.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, man, they're really good. Them boys made a statement today.

[Guest]

Hold on. They've been making a statement though, Joe. They've been making.

[Uncle Ocho]

But I'm just saying against one of the top teams like Houston in the

[Joe]

Western Conference, they just making third seeds. Houston are, yeah, they let them know they made mincemeat out of them.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, it's levels to this.

[Joe]

Made mincemeat out of them. They did, they did. They made mincemeat out of them. And like I said, it's going to be very interesting. I want to see it. Hopefully everybody is, is a healthy and nobody has any, you know, significant injuries. I, I, you know, you want to

[Uncle Ocho]

see them at okc, you want to see them at OKC in the Western Conference final?

[Joe]

I do, I do. Boy, it's gonna go down, Joe.

[Guest]

Who you Got hypothetically speaking, if those. If those two. Listen, beating somebody one game is one thing, but a seven game series. Who you leaning towards, huh?

[Joe]

Well, they've already beat him three out of four this year.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they didn't beat him three out of four.

[Guest]

Hold on. That's regular season now. You know, Joe, the playoffs is a different ball game.

[Uncle Ocho]

I get it, I get it. I get it. I get it. Hey, I've been in that situation. I've been in that situation.

[Joe]

Listen, go ahead, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Go ahead. What you gonna say?

[Joe]

I was gonna say I want to see Castle and Shay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause that's a matchup.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Cause Castle, hey, Castle can pick it up now. They're gonna run his ass off a bunch of pigs. They gonna try to keep him in the pig. They gonna try to keep his ass, run him off screen the pit diamond. Hey, they gonna try to keep him. Keep. Keep bumping me. But he a hound.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm. He a hound, man. I know they won the series, the season series of spurs, but I'm probably giving me a little edge to okc. I probably give.

[Joe]

Done that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Probably give a little edge to OKC right now. Ocho.

[Guest]

Okay.

[Joe]

They might be a year away because you remember OKC was in a very similar situation to year before and they ended up getting upset by the Mavericks. Yeah, so I can see a very similar situation where, hey, you think, man, they right there and all of a sudden they get upset. But they coming. If you. Hey, if you think you about to have your way with the San Antonio, they coming. Yeah, we're only gonna get better. I don't know if y' all noticed, but we'll be gonna get better.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, he like a cheat code out there, bro. It don't even look.

[Joe]

Hey, how you take the first shot. You pulling up for 27. At the top. At the top.

[Guest]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

From 27.

[Guest]

Hey, hey, Joe. You played the game, Joe. You've been around for a very long time. Someone like Wimby, there's no answer for Jokic. I mean, Joker, you can slow him down. You can only hope to contain him when it comes to Wemby. Is there any way you can stop him? Anything you could do defensively, anything you can do tactically to slow him down or just do you just have to say, you know what? He's going to always get his. We need to worry about the other four on the court.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, you gonna have to wear him down, Pick him, catch him early, body to body in the whole way. And then you gotta hope for the Third and fourth quarter and second half of the game, you're able to wear him down to where he's not as effective. But Ocho, I mean, man, he, he, he can do a little bit of everything out there. I mean, I like, I liked how he took his time and you know, he started to play making, just make pat making the right passes and guys getting wide open threes. Next thing you know, they up 30 points, bro. Yeah, it's like, I mean, the thing

[Joe]

with Wemby Joe, you got you. Like you said, you got to have somebody that can body. You got to wear him down.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because right now he's still in his, his, his young man kid body.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He's not that old. He doesn't have his, his body body. So you got to wear him now. You got to have somebody that can make him work on the other end and, and, and you got to go body with him. Hopefully you can get him in foul trouble. If you don't get him in foul trouble and he gets to play his normal a lot of minutes, which is about 30. Play about somewhere like 30, maybe 33, 34 minutes. If you let him play his normal allotment of minutes, that means he's not in file trouble. And he's going to be down there. He's going to be there down the stretch.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

And he's gonna make it very difficult because all layups. I'm sending a send, return to sender.

[Uncle Ocho]

Dude. Hello? Hello? Yeah, you.

[Joe]

I don't like what you say, so I'm gonna send it back in 30 days.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, man, they gonna be, they gonna be a tough matchup for anybody though in the postseason. Fellas, I don't care who they play.

[Joe]

Houston allowed them season most points, 56 in the paint. Think about. Because they allowed 56 points in the paint, guys, and they shot 43s list. They made 21 of 40 from the three point line. So you get up 43s and you still get 56 in the. A damn near 60 in the point in the paint.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, them dudes was. Listen, they guards break you down so easy, bro. They in the paint themselves the whole time shooting layups, floaters. It's too much. You take that away. Now you got Chad Pennington and Vassa out there shooting the lights out, shooting

[Joe]

the COVID off the ball.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's like you gotta pick. You gotta pick your poison.

[Joe]

Kelden Johnson come in, just pulling.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, they look good, man.

[Joe]

Hey, I don't know why, but hell, every time Keldon Johnson and Champagne shoot the Three I like that's gonna go in. They got me thinking they damn Steph Curry. Hey, listen.

[Uncle Ocho]

Cause it don't be nobody two, three feet from him. You know what I'm saying? Cause Wimby, he take the double team, triple team and he just picking you apart. Them guys breaking people down, picking you apart. It's gonna be tough to beat them, bro.

[Joe]

The question is. Look, I think the problem that the Rockets really have. They needed a point guard. Without Van Fleet, they can't go anywhere.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, it's totally.

[Joe]

I like Amin Thompson. I think he's a phenomenal player. He's a great two way player. But without a true point guard, they not going nowhere.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I agree. It was glaring. It was glaring today too. They needed free of and Fleet. They need somebody who can kind of get everything together. Yeah. Yes. Get them together. You know, when things get a little crazy, you got to need somebody who can calm everybody down and make sure we get a great shot. But they was held to skelter a lot of times out there, man.

[Joe]

They were my thing is, Joe O. Joe, you need a point guard. Y' all mean to tell me that that CP got that kind of baggage. Don't nobody want him. He can't help nobody in this situation. I ain't saying you got to sign it for the next five years, but he can't help somebody on a playoff run.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, ain't nobody to pick him. I don't. He probably wasn't getting what he probably wasn't getting. Getting them phone calls. I can. Ocho just.

[Joe]

Damn. I understand.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's not a.

[Joe]

It's not a sub zero. It's a little ice chest, but damn it gonna keep the meat cool.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Hey, you know, hey, back in the day, Joe, you know, we had them ice chest. We throw the ice and put the meat on top of that. The refrigerator gone out.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, boy, back then ice, I think ice was like 50 cent a bag or something like that. Get you about three or four bags and put that ice and put that meter, put that meter in the ice chest.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, listen, you know as you age, you get up in them 40s and you under six two, you know, it's tough to play. It's tough to continue to play. Uncle Ocho. Yeah.

[Joe]

Them keep running.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Like you, you, you gonna have to be up there 6, 7, 6, 8, 6 9. Be able to play in your 40s to where you can still control the game a little bit. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Nah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe, you make a very good Point, as you get older, the smaller you are, the harder it is for you to control the game. See, LeBron can control a game because he's 6, 9.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Luca still will be able to control a game because he's 6, 7, 6, 8.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Jokic will be able to control a game because he's seven foot. Yeah, but when. When you lose foot speed and you're six foot tall and these young. Boy, the a. These young kids now, man, they got back. They got jet packs on.

[Uncle Ocho]

You hear me?

[Joe]

They're not walking the ball up. That old Joe you remember back in it when you first got in the league, guys would walk the ball up. Yeah, they pushing this ish. They get that ball.

[Uncle Ocho]

Listen, on May Bassett, I seen. I seen the spurs catch a fast break and they just got scored on.

[Joe]

They scored. Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right before Houston even get back. Like, I'm like, the game is played at such a high pace, bro. It's like even watching it, you'd be so. You'd be like, come on, man. They could have got a better shot than that because it's just come down. Boom, boom, Pass three, three, layup, floater. Don't. You know what I mean? It's just the game's so different now, bro. And that's what I'm talking about. Houston seemed like they was like two, three steps slower than the spurs tonight.

[Joe]

Houston want to play at a half court set because they got a tremendous half court player in Kevin Durant. They got Shangoon. They can put you into pick and roll. He can roll, he can pop. Kd, you know what KD is. But these young teams, they not really trying to play half court.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, track shoes on.

[Joe]

Hey, yeah, you want to keep up with us? Don't bring your team. Don't bring your work boots, bring your track shoes. So we run it. We run it. Oh, I know you see you ain't doing the word you from, baby. You ain't had no. I had steel toe boots, Joe. I don't know. I know your grandfather, your dad probably had steel toes. Yeah, you had them steel toe boots. Them bro games, you know you put in a. If you had steel throw boots, you know damn well you put in a hard day.

[Guest]

Hold on. Why you do me like that?

[Joe]

You had no damn school.

[Guest]

I used to work on the docks at the Port of Miami. Down here, I had to wear. Still. I was a longshoreman.

[Uncle Ocho]

What you were doing on the docks?

[Guest]

I was a longshoreman at the Port of Miami.

[Joe]

You heard me, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

So you longshoreman Everything that come in,

[Joe]

you get, you have.

[Guest]

I'm doing all the containers, man. Off them ships and them lows. Come in, Joe. Hey, I was working the crane, Joe. No, I'm telling you, Joe, I'm the longshoreman. Ask about me, Joe. Yeah, I have still. You got to wear steel toe boots, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey. My grandfather worked on the railroad. He always was still told, hey, hey.

[Guest]

I had steal my steel toe boots and I had my overalls, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, no lie. But back to what we said, Joe. Being in the south and working, you know damn well you saw somebody with some steel toe boots and this is when you know when the COVID has started to roll out the front of them and you could actually see the steel.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

That much.

[Uncle Ocho]

That boy working. Yeah, he working. He working.

[Joe]

He don't put some work in, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Listen, she talking about.

[Joe]

Hey. But the spurs, they beat the Rockets. Stay close. They're still the number two seed thanks to a 145, 120 victory over the Houston Texas. The spurs place four guys with dub in double with 20 plus points and allowed. And Houston allowed a season most 56 points in the paint. Well, Houston, you're gonna lose a lot of games if you let a team shoot 58 from the floor and 52 from the three, you lose it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you ain't beat nobody with them no more. 145 points.

[Joe]

Nicola Jokic. Who said Nicola is. Nicola Jokic says he's glad he's retired. He's retiring soon before Wemby takes over the NBA. He's changing basketball. I'm glad that I'll probably retire before women hold the entire league in a chokehold. Hey, never seen anything like so. So you've never seen a guy that tall, that skill, you can put them all on the floor, can shoot the ball from three, let Kevin and Grant can shoot it. But he, that man is like 5, 6 inches taller than KD. Yeah, and on the defensive end it's like somebody. Joe, it's like you holding up two broomsticks in a lane. Yeah, you know it is.

[Guest]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe. Hey, shouldn't Wendy is basically should be the face of the NBA then, huh? Or the fact that he doesn't have that charisma and personality like Anthony Edwards. Would he not be the first choice for it? Being that he's probably going to be the one to dominate the NBA for. For the next 10, what, 15 years depending on how long he decides to play?

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, I think globally, you know, he puts a. He brings in a great Brand. Because that's where the NBA wants to go.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, it's going to be games over and you know, during the season the guy's going to be playing games over there in Paris and stuff like that. So it only helps the game if you ask me, man. But to be the face of the NBA, Ocho, he got a chance, bro. If he would they, if he won the championship for sure.

[Joe]

It's just hard. I mean, things are going to change. It's different now because you talk about an American sport and a foreign born player being the face of an American sport.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It's not like baseball because baseball for the most part has always had Latin players. They've always had, you know, they've always had Korean. The Japanese started coming over when you had Hideki Nomo and Matt Ichiro started to come up, but they've already. They've always had Latin players. Yeah, always, always. It's different. Baseball has always been a, a, a, a universal, a world game. Basketball just became that say the last 30 plus years.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Once the, they sent the, the NBA to the Olympics in 92. That's what everybody, that's when the Dirks and that's when everybody's like, well, damn, that's what I want to do. That's what I want to be.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

And so now and because if you really think about it, the top five, six, seven players are foreign born. They're Canadians, they're Serb, they're Slovenian, they're Greek, they're French, they're not American. You gotta go far. I mean, nobody's taking, you're not taking not one American player over Luka. You're not taking one over Jokic, you're not taking one over Shay, you're not taking one over Greek free.

[Uncle Ocho]

You're not.

[Joe]

You're not. You take your best, you take Jason Tatum, you take whomever you say is your best American player, and I guarantee you, you're not taking them over Jokic, Giannis, Luca, Shea, you're not. And I'm not so sure you're taking even Wimby in his third year. I'm not sure you're taking one over Wimby. So that's five right there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

The world is not as deep as America, but it's definitely okay. You got a couple of in Greece and you got a couple in Slovenia and Serbia, Canada, X, Y and Z. But as far as just depth, yeah, American got it. But those guys grow up playing together like Zion and Ja was on the same AAU team. Yeah, all those fringe kids, they played together their whole life growing up.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they grew up.

[Joe]

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Yeah. There you go. Yes, you start.

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Yeah.

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