Best of NFL Divisional Round Part 1: C.J. Stroud DISASTROUS 4-INT playoff meltdown, Caleb Williams’ 3 INTs, DOOM Bears in OT Loss

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL Divisional Round Part 1

Episode Date: January 21, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe ("Uncle")
Co-host: Chad "Ocho" Johnson
Main Theme:
A deep-dive, energetic discussion and analysis of the NFL Divisional Round, focusing on pivotal quarterback performances—particularly C.J. Stroud’s disastrous four-interception meltdown, Caleb Williams' turnover struggles, and Seattle’s defensive domination. Shannon and Ocho blend hard-hitting critique with storytelling, humor, and player insights for fans of both strategy and smack talk.

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1. Rams Edge the Bears in OT: Quarterback Duel & Key Mistakes

[01:15–13:37]

Key Discussion Points

• The Rams defeated the Bears 20–17 in overtime. Matthew Stafford showed poise (20/42, 258y, 0 TD/0 INT, sacked 4 times), while Kyren Williams contributed with a tough 87 yards and two touchdowns.
• Caleb Williams once again flashed arm talent but struggled with turnovers (3 INTs). Many of his best plays came while rolling left, unusually comfortable moving against his body.
• The host duo debates a crucial Bears OT interception—miscommunication between Williams and DJ Moore.
• Bears' missed opportunities and the reoccurring theme of turnovers in playoff losses: "You see a reoccurring theme." (Uncle, 04:05)
• Receivers struggled with drops and tough conditions; DBs had notably surer hands.
• The importance of quarterbacks who can "cut through the wind" in Midwest/Northeast outdoor stadiums.
• Rams’ defensive discipline issues containing Williams on the edge.

Memorable Quotes

• Uncle [02:16]: "For him to keep retreating with four guys in his face and throw off his back foot... most of the time, put it on the money."
• Ocho [04:06]: "It's the common denominator, uncle, you said it all the time. Especially when it comes to playoff football where points at a premium every series that you have the ball."
• Uncle [06:13]: "That ball hard, man."
• Ocho [09:38]: "If you're a Bears fan, you have no reason to let your head down... your future is very bright because... Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams... you're going to be in contention every single year."
• Uncle [13:08]: "Analytics is ruining the game... instead of coaches having a feel for the game, they're allowing analytics and data to get in the way..."

Notable Segment

• Turnover talk and playoff pressure: [04:06–05:00]
• OT interception analysis/miscommunication: [04:38–05:27]

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2. C.J. Stroud’s Four-INT Collapse vs. New England

[22:44–38:39]

Key Discussion Points

• Patriots advance to the AFC Championship, beating Texans 28–16. C.J. Stroud had a disastrous four-INT first half, finishing 20/47 for 212 yards, QB rating of 28.
• "If he had taken the snap and just backed up and threw it into the ground, his quarterback rating would have been 39.6." (Uncle, 24:03)
• Ocho and Uncle break down Stroud’s regression since his standout rookie year. Key criticism: chasing rookie success, lack of development, and repeated turnovers.
• Comparing media reactions: do Black QBs get more unvarnished criticism?
• What’s going wrong for Stroud? Is it coaching? Losing his OC? Lack of improvement in decision-making? Ocho questions how a QB with so much surrounding talent can backslide.
• Extended debate: Do you pay Stroud $300M, or make him prove himself on a fifth-year option?
  • “Are you going to talk about it or are you going to be about it?” (Uncle, 30:26)
  • Ocho takes the cautious route—don’t extend yet.
• Texans defense praised as championship-caliber, but the offense isn’t holding up its end.

Memorable Quotes

• Ocho [24:03]: “That was embarrassing. You can't... You got the best defense in the NFL. All I have to do as the quarterback of this team is don't put the ball in harm's way.”
• Uncle [25:15]: “Troy Aikman said on the broadcast: CJ Stroud has been chasing his rookie success for the last two years. He's not been the same player.”
• Uncle [26:52]: "When do we start picking apart... well, one guy turned the ball over four times, the other guy three... when do we start doing that?"
• Ocho [35:25]: “Can you imagine? Could you imagine understanding I'm putting myself in C.J. Stroud's shoes, me having a defense like that.”
  Uncle: "Just don't eff it up."
• Uncle [37:27]: “They're having real conversations. Do we extend this guy for 300 million or do we make him play out the fifth-year option?”

Notable Segment

• C.J. Stroud’s regression and accountability: [24:49–34:52]
• Contract debate & Texans roster building challenges: [37:27–41:47]

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3. Seahawks Destroy 49ers: Defensive Masterclass & Special Teams

[53:00–67:16]

Key Discussion Points

• The Seahawks routed the 49ers 41–6, with a 95-yard opening kickoff return by Raheed Shahid setting the tone.
• Seattle’s defense forced three turnovers, stifling the 49ers to only 236 yards and repeated turnover on downs.
• Kenneth Walker III tied Seahawks postseason record with three rushing TDs.
• Hosts marvel at how the Seahawks “dominated all three phases” (offense, defense, special teams).
• Defensive simplicity is Seattle’s calling card—“Let's do a few things great as opposed to doing a lot of things okay.” (Uncle, 57:04)
• Comparison to Legion of Boom philosophy; focus on swarming, discipline, and not giving up big plays.
• Credit for coach McDonald’s work—Seattle poised as the "tough out" of the NFC.

Memorable Quotes

• Uncle [54:43]: “They dominated all three phases.”
• Uncle [58:43]: "When you just look at them and the way they rally to the effing football... Ain't no way that they get to the ball that quick."
• Uncle [59:49]: "They play defense just like the old Legion of Boom... very simplistic coverage team. Good luck."
• Uncle [61:28]: "Just don't lose it. Just take care of the ball."
• Ocho [62:34]: “That's the best way to play defense... not to give up anything cheap, anything deep. If I make you go 12, 15 plays, I believe you'll stub your toe.”

Notable Segment

• Seattle’s complete performance breakdown: [53:00–58:43]
• Legion of Boom comparison/simplicity wins: [58:43–62:34]

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4. Turnovers, Coaching, and Playoff Football Wisdom

[13:38, 13:08–14:36, Spread throughout]

Key Discussion Points & Quotes

• Analytics vs. “feel for the game”: Overreliance on data blamed for aggressive (questionable) 4th-down calls.
  • Ocho [13:08]: “Analytics is ruining the game... now you leave points on the field.”
  • Uncle [13:27]: “They do it all the time... The Bears went for it six times.”
• Importance of coaching and QB fit: A system, QB coach, and OC can make or break a young player’s development.
• Playoff football is about limiting mistakes; turnovers and field position swings are magnified.
• Special teams and little moments matter: "I've never seen a game-winning play the first minute of the game." (Uncle, 11:12)
• The best defense can be nullified if the offense doesn’t hold up.

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5. Light Moments & Player Insights

Timestamps sprinkled

• On playing in cold weather: Rams players put cayenne pepper in their socks—“That's a new one, boy.” (Ocho, 18:44)
• Player durability and coaching choices: "You had Sam Darnold, you let him walk... because you thought your number eight pick was the answer." (Uncle & Ocho, 10:36)
• On backup QBs and the importance of the "fit": “Situations matter, where you go matters, coaching matters, organizations matter.” (Ocho, 60:07–60:23)
• Humorous banter over coughing fits and locker-room hygiene (Lysol jokes), [07:03–08:53].

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6. Standout Player Analysis

• Caleb Williams: Flashes brilliance but must clean up turnovers; best on the move and oddly accurate rolling to his left.
• Matthew Stafford: Praised for arm talent and thriving in bad weather despite dome background.
• C.J. Stroud: Hard conversations—has the talent, but mistakes and lack of growth are driving long-term decisions.
• Kenneth Walker III: Playoff star, matches franchise legends.
• Seattle’s Defense: Tough, simplified, reminiscent of classic Legion of Boom days.

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7. Key Takeaways for Listeners

• Turnovers and quarterback poise separate NFL contenders from pretenders in crunch time.
• Coaching, system fit, and organizational stability are just as critical for QB development as raw talent.
• Playoff football magnifies every error and requires both strategic discipline and high-level execution.
• The NFC and AFC have breakout stars, but the favorites hinge on whose QBs can take care of the football and make the fewest mistakes under pressure.

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For the full effect, listen from [01:15] (game discussion starts) and focus on [22:44–41:47] for C.J. Stroud coverage and [53:00–62:34] for Seahawks-49ers analysis.

Original Language & Tone:
Conversation is frank, sharp, full of good-natured ribbing, player jargon, and direct critique—just like you’d hear in the locker room or barbershop, but anchored by deep football knowledge and respect for the game.

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Notable Quote for the Road:
Uncle [35:36]: “You ain't got to be a hero. Just don't eff it up.”
Ocho [62:34]: “If I make you continuously have to nickel and dime your way down the field, I believe you'll stub your toe... and that's all I need.”

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Transcript

[Uncle]

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[Uncle]

Hey guys, it's your favorite unk here. Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of Nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports. Stay for the stories. Rams beat the Bears 2017 in overtime. Matthew Stafford 20 of 42, 258. No touchdowns nor interceptions. He was sacked four times. Kyron Williams ran the ball extremely hard. 21 carries, 87 yards, two touchdowns, 31 rush attempts, 111 yards, two touchdowns. Kobe Parkinson was their lead. Well, he caught 3 for 56. Puka had 5 for 56. Jordan Winnington had 2 for 35. Devonte had a big catch on that last drive.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that was nice.

[Uncle]

Got him in field goal range. Yeah. K C Dub Caleb Williams with another unbelievable throw. O. I don't know. I don't know how.

[Ocho]

Yes, again. That's two. That's two. Listen, that's two weeks in a row.

[Uncle]

Two things can be true. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle]

Yes, the ball was misplayed. But to say that wasn't a hell of a throw is. You're just. You're just being disingenuous. I mean, for him to keep retreating with four guys in his face and throw off his back foot and then most of the time, put it on the money.

[Ocho]

Yeah, and most of the time. I say most of the time. As a Quarterback. Once you're retreating backwards and you have pressure coming at you that obviously the ball tends to fall actually short and it's an interception.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Most of the time because you are retreating, you have pressure in your face, you're not able to get the kind of strength you want to on the ball. But listen, Caleb Williams is up there when it comes to having arm talent and arm strength. I'm not calling him Aaron Rodgers, I'm not saying he's Brett Favre, I'm not saying he's Matthew Stafford. But in conditions like tonight, he can still make all the throws. They can.

[Uncle]

Yeah. But I think his ability to throw on the move is kind of what separates him. Because if I, if, if you really just watch him.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

He's more accurate on the move than he is in the pocket.

[Ocho]

Pocket. Yeah.

[Uncle]

I mean he can roll. And the thing is, Ojo, if you notice a lot of his throws, he's rolling to his left. So it's almost like you always try to force a guy to his non dominant hand.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Which is a right handed quarterback, you force him left. A left handed quarterback, you force it right.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle]

Yeah. But if you, if you look at his best throws, he is rolling left.

[Ocho]

Left. Yeah.

[Uncle]

He feels very comfortable you putting him in that situation. And by design, it's hard for you to imagine. Man, he right handed, let's push him right. I mean, let's push him left. No, you push him kind of where he want to be. He made some throws tonight. He turned the ball over three interceptions. Chad, look at the story. How many turnovers for Buffalo they lost. How many turnovers for the 49ers they lost. How many turnovers for the Texans they lost. They lost. How many turnovers for the Bears they lost.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

You see a reoccurring theme.

[Ocho]

It's the common denominator, uncle, you said it all the time. Especially when it comes to playoff football where points at a premium every series that you have the ball. It matters in games like this, when it's so close, the margin of error is so small, when you turn it over three times, it's hard to overcome that. Even though the Bears had opportunity on that last drive, I'm not sure what they. I don't know if it was miscommunication between Kayla Williams and DJ Moore and I mean I, I don't know what happened on that interception.

[Uncle]

You got to keep running. You can't stop. Even though if you can't catch it, you pro, you might be able to knock it down situation right there. OO They've already had a possession. You not have a possession.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Uncle]

If you turn this ball over, next possession wins. I mean, next score wins, basically. And that's, and that's, that's why you got to keep running, because he's thor it with the anticipation that, that you will continue to run. And if you don't catch it, you just make sure he doesn't catch it. Just give me another chance. OO Just give me another chance. If I'm not mistaken, I think that was second down. Was that second down or third down? I think it was second down, so at least give me another chance. And if it was third down, allow me to punt the ball and pin them. Yeah, but I mean, they, they, I mean, those in, in, in, in those conditions, guys were catching the ball extremely well. Oo yeah, those DBs.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they were, they were a. Listen, the DBs were catching the ball better than the goddamn receivers because there were a lot, there were a lot of drops there. There were a lot of drops that could have kept some drives going, I think, but not, not mistaken. I, I, I think Rome, Rome had some ro. Yeah, yeah. Loveland, you know, he had some, some, some balls that were catchable. You know, they were right there. But obviously, even with the conditions, you got to focus a little bit more, you know, practice bringing the ball in. And listen, I'm used to playing in conditions like this all the time, especially once you get to November, December, you know, everything has to change. Your mechanics, you being able to focus on the ball a little bit more, bringing it in, making sure you got it. And that ball. Hey, and heavy.

[Uncle]

That ball hard, man.

[Ocho]

It's hard and heavy. Boy, I was just getting ready to say that. And the fact, hey, Stafford and goddamn Caleb throwing it like it's nothing.

[Uncle]

That's why you kind of got, you want guys with arm talent like that Ocho that can cut through the elements.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Uncle]

Because you know, in Chicago, it's going to be windy. And you also outside in Green Bay. So if your home game is in the Midwest, so you play Kansas City. So let's just say your home, you're Kansas City, Chicago, you're Green Bay. Or you're going to be in the Northeast, where you're New England or you're the Jazz, you're the giant Ocho. You gotta have a guy that can cut through the wind.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, you got to, because it's.

[Uncle]

Going to get windy, it's going to get cold. You're going to probably have to play sometime inclement Weather, be it rain, snow, sleet, wind. I don't know why this happened. It always happened like this as soon as I start to come on air. Now all of a sudden, I can't stop coughing.

[Ocho]

I bet. Hey, but you sure everything good over there? You coming down with something?

[Uncle]

Ain't good. You see, I can't stop coughing, But I'm looking at the Rams defense. Ocho, why y' all keep crashing and letting the man get the edge outside?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Every time.

[Uncle]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Every time.

[Uncle]

Y' all crashing down hard. He's a mobile quarterback. You can't do that. Yeah.

[Ocho]

You got. You got to stay dismantling. Ooh.

[Uncle]

There you go. Oh, yeah, Jordan. I lie. So I knew something was going on. I was like, damn, I spelled Lysol, baby.

[Ocho]

We got. We got some Lysol.

[Uncle]

There you go.

[Ocho]

Yeah, let me get. Let me get that. Hey. Cause he listen well. Ain't no reason to be coughing like that. What? Chad, how y' all doing tonight? Y' all good? Hope you all having a good. Have you all having a good weekend. Y' all shouldn't have to work tomorrow if you have to work tomorrow. You need to think about changing, you know, jobs. Outside of that, we gonna. We gonna have a good time tonight. We won't go into going to the holiday tomorrow, celebrating. You know exactly what it is. God damn.

[Uncle]

Yeah, but I thought.

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Uncle]

I thought the Rams defense allowed him to get to the edge entirely too much. You have to understand. You have to. You have to contain. There you go. There you go. See, this is what I'm talking about.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm just. I'm just making sure.

[Uncle]

I want.

[Ocho]

Now I want nothing you got coming over.

[Uncle]

Come across this. Who you.

[Ocho]

Hey, if I'm the eater, you don't see me coughing ever.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. You remember when. Man, I had to. I had to call hazmat up here and clean every. Sanitize everything. But they get the win. Look, I thought this. This win was probably very satisfying for Sean McVeigh, considering how Ben Johnson ran on the field against Green Bay and shook and shook Matt LaFleur's head. Yes, Matt LaFleur and Sean and Mack are best friends. He didn't take too kindly to the. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he didn't take too kindly for that. No.

[Ocho]

You know what? If you're a Bears fan, you have no reason to let your head down. You have no reason to be sad. Obviously, you're sad because you want to be in the NFC Championship game. Obviously, you want a chance at going to compete for Lombardi, but your future is very bright because absolutely. That goddamn Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. As long as they're there, you're going to be in contention every single year. And now the efc, the nfc, that division in general looks different now because of your quarterback and your head coach. And it's going to be. It's going to be like that for a very, very long time.

[Uncle]

Well, if Minnesota wants to. Don't. If Minnesota doesn't want to get left behind, they better get a quarterback.

[Ocho]

Hey, they left behind already. They. They are left behind already because who are you going to find that's. That's going to be the type of talent or equal to that of goddamn Caleb Williams or Jordan Love.

[Uncle]

Hey, final Jerry Goff. Well, you had Sam Darnold. You let him walk out the window. You let him walk out the door.

[Ocho]

Because you thought your number eight pick was the answer. And you found out quick. Not only is he not the answer, but it's hard to keep his ass on the goddamn field, too.

[Uncle]

Yes, yes, I totally agree with everything you just said, but when you. The. The Rams have to feel very good. Look, we got an epic game. We got an epic matchup one Thursday night. Ocho, it was a. It was an unbelievable game. If we get anything close to that. Oh, yeah, I'll take it. As a matter of fact, I'll take a step a second helping of that because that was a phenomenal game. Hope let's see if the Rams have fixed their special teams because remember Rashid. Rashid Shahid got it started. Yeah. Again. I mean, I've never seen a game, a game winning play the first minute of the game. Yeah, but Rasheed Shahid took that play, that kickoff back. That game was over.

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Yeah.

[Ocho]

Take it with. Hey, take. Take the win right up out of your cell.

[Uncle]

It was over. Yeah, it was over. It was over. But this was a good. This was a good game. This is what the game's supposed to be. Two very evenly matched teams. Matthew Stafford, two gunslingers, two number one overall picks going head to head. Caleb look good. I agree with you. Oo. I think with the talent that they surrounded him with, the offensive line help that they got. Now if I'm them, I'll probably go. Go get me another. I need a pass rusher. I need another pass rusher. Outside of sweat. I need somebody that can consistently generate pressure. But you look at them offensive, they got Loveland, they got More. They got a dungeon, they got Kemet, they got Burton iii. They Got Zakas. They, they, they. They're loaded, man. I like the running game with Deandre Smith and. And what is Monai Mani?

[Ocho]

Manangi.

[Uncle]

Mangi. Manangi Mon Mangi. Yeah, him. Hey, he. Rubble. Hey. He be running people over. O.

[Ocho]

He don't. He don't play. He don't go. I met with D. Yeah, he don't play. He gonna let you know. He gonna let you know. He there. I don't care how small he may look, you know?

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I don't care how small he may look.

[Uncle]

Oh, okay. He running behind his pad, you know?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

When you was. Hey, son, run behind your pads. He definitely run behind his pass. But I thought Swift ran the ball really hard tonight. Yes, but they turned up. When they turned the ball over on downs inside, you know, Vio Cho pass gave up those points.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Now that game, when it touched down, you're in the lead.

[Ocho]

Yep. Analytics is ruining the game, huh? Instead of. Instead of coaches having a feel for the game, they're allowing analytics and data.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Ocho]

To get in the way of the games. And now you leave points on the field. On the points on the field, going for it on fourth down. I mean, they were. They were more successful against Green Bay.

[Uncle]

But they do it all the time, the Ocho. Oh, we used to, like, okay, it's fourth and one. We kind of like at midfield or on the other side of midfield. Okay, we go for it once. I mean, we might go. We might have on fourth down, especially if we're losing. Okay, we get you going for it. Right. But, man, that go oo. The Bears went for it six times. Yeah, you might have. You might have. In a situation where you're not losing, you might have maybe five in a season. Now these teams have like, 10, 15, 24th down going forward.

[Ocho]

And you gotta understand why they're going for it too, Uncle. You understand the probable cause if you do make them, the chances. If you do make them the chance you winning the game increase that much. So I kind of understand it. I understand the analytics and the data behind it and the percentage on how high the percentage is. If you happen to make those four downs, it gives you a better chance of winning those games. But when you don't make it, that's the problem. Now you put your goddamn defense in harm's way and hoping they can stop. You know, these teams that you're playing against, especially if you give them good feel, especially if you give them a short field, that makes it. That makes it even worse.

[Uncle]

Especially you playing a team like the Rams. Oo, I'm confused. I need you to help me out on this one.

[Ocho]

Uhhuh.

[Uncle]

Cuz we had a very similar play to what happened last night in the Denver game with devonte.

[Ocho]

Yeah, same, same way. But they gave him the catch.

[Uncle]

They did, they gave him the catch.

[Ocho]

I mean obviously his knee was down. Well, hell, when Brandon, when Brandon Cooks had the ball in his hands, his knee was also, I guess this, I mean it's confusing. There's no consistency when it comes to calling those. I call them bang bang plays where the receiver's catching the ball and the DB's right there and they're both, they're both handsy and whoever comes up with the ball, that's who we belong to. But devonte let the ball go. So I'm assuming that should have been what, maybe a fumble based on our logic.

[Uncle]

Fumble or incomplete or something?

[Ocho]

Incomplete based on our logic and reasoning from last night.

[Uncle]

Well, it could have been incomplete because the guy caught the ball. So it's either fumble or interception.

[Ocho]

Yeah, one or the other. Yeah.

[Uncle]

But I was surprised. I was surprised because I'm looking, I'm like. And they did like first down. I'm like, really? Yeah, because I look like a very similar play place. Matthew Stafford gets an opportunity, goes back to the NFC Championship game. You know, last time he was in the NFC Championship. Well, that was against the, the Eagles. That's what they lost. They lost last year to the Eagles in the snow game. And he played really, really well. Yeah, I thought, look, for a guy that's played in a dome his entire career, he played at the university. Oh, he grew up in Texas, Highland Park. He went to Georgia. He was in a dome. He's in another dome in Southern California. He played really well. Yeah, I mean, listen, he played really well against. You said it, you said, hey, last year, I mean you remember last year he was dealing.

[Ocho]

Boy, he was dealing. And he came, he came one back shoulder pass away from beating the goddamn Eagles.

[Uncle]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I mean when you have that kind of arm talent, it really doesn't matter the conditions that you do play in. You just hope those that you're throwing the ball to can make those catches. I get the ball to you.

[Uncle]

Yeah, I get the ball. I'll definitely make it happen.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

But the, but the Los Angeles Rams move on. They played their division nemesis, The Seattle Seahawks, 20 to 17. They're very familiar. This will be the third time that they played. There's no love lost between these two teams. Seattle physical, both sides, they want to run the football. Yes. With a Walker III and Charbonneau. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Is Charbonneau good? Is Charbonneau good? Because he left the game.

[Uncle]

He was nicked. Yeah, he got nicked, didn't he?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

They elevated somebody up from the practice squad. If I. I think I read that Ocho right, But look, the way Kenneth Walker running, he good. We just keep running him. And you know those wives, the jsn now Cooper Cup. Cup. Yeah. He made some big catches yesterday on third down. Now you're just hoping that Sam Darnold doesn't revert back because he has a propensity to put the ball in harm's way.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle]

You got a great chance to winning if you don't put the ball in harm's way. You turn the ball over, you're not going. You're not going to represent the NFC in. In. In the Super Bowl.

[Ocho]

No.

[Uncle]

So I'm just letting you guys know. Just hope Sam Darnold does do what he's been doing, which is not turn the football over. I don't think he turned it over. That last regular season. That last regular season game against the. The 49ers. They got 49ers again. He didn't turn it over. He needs to. He needs to. To repeat that song. Just play that. Just replay. Just put that on replay. Repeat and keep playing it over and over. Because if you take care of the ball, there's an excellent chance that you're going to go to the nf. That. The Super Bowl. According to NBC sideline reporter Melissa Stark, Rams players were putting cayenne pepper in their socks to stay warm against the Bears.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Cayenne pepper? What the hell cayenne pepper gonna do in those kind of conditions?

[Uncle]

As far as keeping still pepper, it heats up, boy.

[Ocho]

Unc, that's a new one there, boy. I ain't never heard. I ain't never heard of that one.

[Uncle]

Well, when you put a. What? What? Icy hot, Ben Gay.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle]

Remember, they used to put that in people's job. And when you start sweating, what it do?

[Ocho]

Oh, you. You heal. Yeah, I ain't never used that before. The only thing I had. What you call the warmers they give you and you break.

[Uncle]

Yeah, I have those either. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah. That's the only thing I knew about. And I used. I used to take the hand warmers. Once it got cold, I take one, break it up, let it get warm, and I put it on the inside of my glove. Yeah, I put one on.

[Uncle]

I could. I. I have my baby. If they call time out or I went to the sideline.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle]

I would have them, but I didn't have no Pouch. I. I need none of that. No.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you know Pouch. Oh, but look at you. Okay.

[Uncle]

No, no Pouch. The last time the Rams won the Super Bowl, Cooper cup was the mvp. Next week, the Rams will try to get back to the super bowl with Cooper cup now on the opposite sideline as a member of the Seahawks. Look, he knows this offense.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

He knows that when they get in certain formations and you hear certain calls, he can call it out. Because he's that kind of smart. He's that kind of player.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle]

How much they rely on that, the film study normally tells you. Maybe he can give them some intricacies of like when you hear certain calls on you. Yeah, this is what that means. Because it was always interesting when we play a west coast team to hear they try to disguise it with both, bro, I know what Lucy is and I know what Slugo is and I know what all that. I know this and I know smoke square out. Come back. I know we, we knew all that and we know what y' all was trying to give us those bogeys, bogey dubby calls too. So yeah, get that mess out here.

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[Ocho]

Hey. Yep, that was embarrassing. That was embarrassing. You can't. You can't do. You got the best defense in the NFL. Unk. You got the best defense in the NFL. You got away with it last week and you watch film all week. All right. I can't go into this game. I understand the importance of this game. I can't do one thing. I can't put the ball in harm's way. I can't turn the ball over. I just can't. And the watch film to understand that you got by. By the grace of God. And you come back in this game and you still come on. Now you got the best defense that can take you all the way to Santa Clara. All I have to do as the quarterback of this team is don't put the ball in harm's way.

[Uncle]

Don't turn it over.

[Ocho]

That's it. I mean, it sounds easy, obviously, sitting here on the goddamn, you know.

[Uncle]

No, it's not. I would have thought he learned his lesson Monday night. Ocho, we talked about it. Come on. We talked about it. Ocho, he fumbled four times. He got. They got two of them back.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

So he had two fumbles and two picks, right? Or would he have two fumbles and one pick? What did he have on Monday? But he got seven turnovers in two games.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Ocho, this is what Troy Aikman said on the broadcast. CJ Stroud has been chasing his rookie success for the last two years. He's not been the same player. We've not seen the development from him. There's a reason for that, and it needs to be addressed. Now, when Shannon said C.J. stroud has not been the same since his rookie year, what they say, Ocho, go ahead and tell them because they. What they say. What they say about. When I say CJ has not been.

[Ocho]

The same, they say you hating. Huh? They say you hating.

[Uncle]

You hating. Where is that energy for the white quarterbacks? Now, what y' all say about Troy? Maybe because Troy played the quarterback position. And I give. You know what? I give you that, right? He played at an elite level. The guy with a Super Bowl MVP led a team to three Super Bowls. So if you want to say, well, Shannon Troy know more about that position, I'll concede that. But all he said was the same, exact same thing that I said. It was just a different voice. You see, C.J. stroud, he got intoxicated by the success that he had. Listen at him talk. He. This man said his rookie season, he was one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL as a rookie. Yeah, he was going on everybody platform. He that guy. He that guy. And he's regressed every year. But y' all don't want to have real conversations. Y' all want. Y' all want us to. Because before, well, we. You wanted guys like Ocho and myself, guys that played the game, guys Guys that played the game at an elite level. But then when we tell you the harsh truth, well, oh, word. That energy. I said something today on y'.

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[Uncle]

I said, think about this. Think about. I said, chad, think about this. If we want to debate Peyton and Tom, Joe Montana and Patrick Mahomes. Okay. We could critique that. I say think about this here. Y' all talking about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson Johnson. Neither guy has won a championship. And now we're debating who's turned the ball over the most in a playoff game. Let that sink in, something we've never done before. We're not talking about championships where we can compare. You want to compare LeBron. Well, LeBron got four championships, Kobe got five. LeBron got four MVPs. Kobe got one. LeBron got four Finals MVPs. Kobe got two. Kobe's been the 19, have 19 all star. LeBron has 21 all star game MVP. If you want to debate that, we can have a conversation, but since when do we debate guys that don't have a championship? We start B. We start picking apart. Well, one guy turned the ball over four times, the other guy turned it over three. One guy turned it over three, the other guy turned over two. When do we start doing that? Oh, because there's nothing.

[Ocho]

There's nothing else to talk about. You have to pull something out the air to. To. To. To create dialogue, to. To tell the difference between two quarterbacks that haven't won a championship yet. Not back. Back to the C.J. stroud thing. I want. I want to have a better understanding on why he's regressing the way he is. Is it the coaching? Is it the all. Is it is OC Is gone. I mean, from his rookie year.

[Uncle]

What.

[Ocho]

What can it be? What is the issue behind it? Because he has a talent around him.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

He has a great supporting cast around him offensively, where the struggles that he's having, he shouldn't be having them. One of the best chances as far as that window for them and having the opportunity to compete for Lombardi Trophy was this year having the defense that they do have.

[Uncle]

Yes, this was.

[Ocho]

This was the year.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I just don't understand. He's been very inconsistent. He's been up and down. He has good games and he have a string that are bad. It leaves you scratching your head. Based on the standard in which he set from his rookie season, you expect him to continue to get better and keep chopping wood. Keep chopping wood. Sophomore year. Okay. It's a little shaky. Okay. We can live with that we know going into your third year, maybe things will continue to get better and you build off some of the things that you've seen that have been mistakes you learn from and you don't do them again. But now those, those same mistakes are continuously happen, those same intercessions, those same fumbles. That clock in your head has to go off sometime as a quarterback. Understanding when you got to get rid of the ball, knowing when.

[Uncle]

Let me ask you this, Ocho. Is he getting better or is he talking about getting better? Because here's the thing now, see, it's kind of like winking in the dark. You know what you're doing, but nobody else does. You can tell us whatever you want to tell us. We have no choice but to believe you because we're not there in your most private moments. But that's not what the work says.

[Ocho]

But I, I, I will say this, I will say this. You don't get, you don't have the success he's had. You don't get to where he's gotten to and done some of the things he's done in his career without putting in the work.

[Uncle]

Oo. How many guys got to the NFL? There have been a lot of guys that had great college careers. We've seen a lot of guys have great one years. Yeah. The trick is to do oo. If you go to the Pro bowl one time, man, didn't nobody know you had that in you. But now, can you go back again? Can you go back again? Can you go back again when they build a game plan to stop you? Oo can you still have success? Okay, so now you have the outstanding rookie season. What you gonna do about it your sophomore year?

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got, you got to keep.

[Uncle]

What about your junior season?

[Ocho]

You got to keep building.

[Uncle]

Are you going to talk about it or you're going to be about it?

[Ocho]

Come on now. Damn, man.

[Uncle]

Hey, sometimes you have to have, you have to have real hard conversation about these guys. Like I said, I came in the league in 1990, so that means I've seen a lot of quarterbacks. I saw Mahomes, I saw Brady, I saw Manning, I saw Rivers, I saw Roethlisberger. I've seen a lot of quarterbacks. I've never, ever since 1990. So that's about 37 years. Yeah. Of being in the NFL and coverage. I've never heard a rookie quarterback talk as much as this young man did after success that he enjoyed in one season. I've never.

[Ocho]

You know, you know, you know, it's funny. So it's hard, it's hard for me to, to be able to give my context and perspective on what he said because most of the time the times that I've heard him talk, it's obviously God fearing God. So I haven't seen or heard some of the things you might have heard. So it's hard for me to get my piece on that. But I just don't understand what the issue and why as good as he is, as great of a thrower of the football that he is, having Nico Collins and having some of the other weapons.

[Uncle]

Well, Nico was out today.

[Ocho]

OO oh, I'm, I'm just saying in general.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Yeah. Overall. Yeah. But he had Nico the large part of the season. Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah. During the season. I'm just, I, I just, I don't understand.

[Uncle]

I think what you're saying.

[Ocho]

May, maybe, maybe next year we got Tank Dale coming back. Got. You got Tank. Tank. One hell of a player, Uncle.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Tank is one hell of a player and he, he changes.

[Uncle]

Hopefully he can come back. That was a gruesome injury.

[Ocho]

Oo yeah, he be back though.

[Uncle]

That was a gruesome.

[Ocho]

OO it was, it was.

[Uncle]

But, and then if he comes back, it's still going to take another year for him to get his timing and his legs. He been rehabbing all this time. Yeah. He ain't training.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I, I, I hate, My bad. Excuse me. Sorry about that.

[Uncle]

No, you're good.

[Ocho]

I hate, I, I hate stuff like that. Just could you, you understand how, how that position is scrutinized?

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

In general.

[Uncle]

And, and you, but you also understand why they get 60 million a year.

[Ocho]

Come on now.

[Uncle]

Look at your Brady's.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Look at your Mannings. Look at your Jacksons. Lamar. Lamar. This year I'm gonna chalk it up the injury. He was injured, he was in and out and when he came back, he wasn't the same Lamar. But you go back and look at Lamar's track record. Lamar, Lamar is proven commodity. You look at it his first year, his, he started like six games. They make the playoffs, he come back the next year, he wins the mvp. Yeah, you look at my homeboy and maybe it's unfair because Everybody in their second year, third year, not winning MVPs, everybody can't have the level of success that Lamar Jackson has had. Patrick Mahomes has had. Drake may have been the running for the MVP in his second year, could win. I think Matthew Stafford is going to win. They gonna give it the mere fact that he's in the discussion.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle]

Only in year two.

[Ocho]

Says a lot.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Yes. Now, maybe we look at the coordinator who's coaching him. What's he teaching him? And is he. Is he. Is he. Is he processing? Is he learning what he's being taught? Because we've seen coaching matters. We look at Mac Jones when He had Josh McDaniel, and we look at Mac Jones when he had the other guys in his ear.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

We look at Cable on, Chess on. Now that he's here with Brable, he looks like a different player than what he was with the Jags.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Coaching matters. Systems matter. Organizations matter. Sam Darnold, Tada. Those things matter. So I would ask d', Amico, look at your off. Who's coaching him, the quarterback who's in his ear? O.C. he's regressed. He has not gotten better. He has not. And you cannot convince anybody that's watched him his rookie year and watched him sophomore and junior year that says that C.J. stroud has gotten better at anything than what he was as a rookie.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And I. I don't understand it, you know, from the outside looking in. I'm not in that building. All I get to see is I get to see the finished product like everybody else in the chat. I get to see him on Sundays, obviously, playing that position. You understand the work that has to go in to improve from your rookie year to your sophomore to your junior year. And for some reason, things haven't. It just. It just hadn't done that. Now, the one thing that. That we can hoop and holl about is a goddamn defense over there in Houston, Huh? That's one of the best, if not the best in the NFL outside of the goddamn Seahawks and the goddamn Broncos.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Can you imagine? Could you imagine understanding I'm putting myself in C.J. stroud's shoes, me having a defense like that.

[Uncle]

Just don't eff it up.

[Ocho]

I ain't got all I got to do. I ain't got to mess it up. I mean it.

[Uncle]

You ain't got to be a hero.

[Ocho]

It sounds easy, you know, but. But obvious. I. Oh, man, that's.

[Uncle]

That's OO how about just not OO? Look at the plays that he was turning the ball over on, though. Oo.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

What was complex? What was complex or overly complicated about that? Nah, just don't throw it to the other team. Hold on to the damn ball. They would have won this game if. If the Texans could have got those scooping scores like they got against Pittsburgh, they'd won this game.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they.

[Uncle]

They. Drake may Fumble twice. He only lost two. He fumbled four times. What if one of those or two of those, they scooping scores?

[Ocho]

Scores?

[Uncle]

Yeah, like we saw against Pittsburgh. They got a scoop and score and they got to pick six.

[Ocho]

Changes everything.

[Uncle]

It changes everything. But when you got a defense like that, you don't have to do much. You don't.

[Ocho]

Ah, he just.

[Uncle]

He, he, he. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he goes to Whitfield or he go to Tom House or he goes to someone, but whomever is in his ear currently. Ocho, you can't regress like that. Yeah, you can't. Now, I. I promise you, we got to have real. Ocho, they're having real conversations. Do we extend this guy for 300 million or do we make him play? Oh, do we just pick up that fifth year option and make sure he plays year four? 300 million. Or play out year four and we pick up year five?

[Ocho]

That's that. Oh, that's. See, that's one I wouldn't want to be Nick Sicaria. Is it security?

[Uncle]

No. You said you want to be a gm. You said you want to be Matt Ryan. That's what you said, Chad. Did he not say that? Why don't. Why the Bengals should call me. One of these teams should call me. So now here you are. You're a gm.

[Ocho]

So, okay, I'm the GM of the. The Houston Texans right now.

[Uncle]

Yes. Do.

[Ocho]

Do I. I pick up. Do I pay Cday Stroud? What? 300 million.

[Uncle]

300 million.

[Ocho]

So do I pick up the fifth year option and. And make him prove himself one more year?

[Uncle]

Yep. That.

[Ocho]

I'm. I'm take option two. I'm pick up that fifth year or make him prove himself next year.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

And then boom. Okay, you know what? You're the future for the next 10 years. I got you. Let's go. I can do that.

[Uncle]

I mean, I mean, both guys were just like the joint for a long time. I mean, Ocho, if you go back and think about it, Drake May got three touchdowns, but two booty touchdown. And Stefan Diggs, I don't know how they held onto that. I still don't know how Stefan Diggs, Stephan Diggs was looking at his damn hand like, how did I. How did I hold on to dad? What the hell? Yeah, Booty in those elements. He caught the ball with one hand.

[Ocho]

Against Stingley Jr. Yeah, he had him beat. And you know what? That was great coverage by Stingley, but great. A perfect ball placed will be great, great coverage any day.

[Uncle]

No, absolutely.

[Ocho]

That was perfect. Perfect ball placement. Ain't nobody nobody.

[Uncle]

A perfect shot beats up, beats a perfect defense. I don't care how. Oh, you see, we've seen Kobe and Steph and LeBron and Jordan. All these guys, the defender, I mean, bro, how you, first of all, how you kd? How you even see the basket? We watched Steph. Oho. We watched Steph last year at the Olympics. Yeah, I mean 24 at the Olympics. And you like, hold up, wait a minute. Baton. And these guys are basically in the job. Bro, how you making shots from 35 like that?

[Ocho]

Like it ain't nothing, Ain't nothing you could do.

[Uncle]

We've seen the hottest hitters and a pitch come pick the perfect placement. Ain't nothing you could do. That was a perfect throw. Booty. Ha. Survive. Oh, guess what? He caught the ball. He survived the contact from the ground.

[Ocho]

And got up with it.

[Uncle]

That is a catch.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

But this defense, at some point in time. Ocho, you can't pay everybody on that defense now. Oh, Will Anderson Jr. Contracts up. What you gonna do with him?

[Ocho]

Hold on. That and that, that's what I'm getting.

[Uncle]

He's a three time. Hey, I think he's gone to what, three Pro Bowls? Yes, two or three Pro Bowls. He's all pro this year. He's gonna be probably a top 20 of the top 100 players. He's probably gonna be in the top 20.

[Ocho]

Mm.

[Uncle]

Okay. CJ. If you get CJ 300. Oh, you just saw what a Miles Garrett got. You just saw what Michael Parsons got. And he younger than Michael Parsons. Yeah, so you gonna have to be looking at to give him 19200. Oh, you just paid Stingley and you paid the other guy. Alaska on the other side. Petrie.

[Ocho]

Wait, wait, no, Lassiter. Petrie, Bullock. Hey, this was their year, man. Hey, they got a squad, man. They got them. Hey, Shazir. Shazir is up or he still. He got.

[Uncle]

I, I think Shazir might be up too.

[Ocho]

Oh, they got a squad, man. Yes, this was their year, boy.

[Uncle]

Look, they, they've taken care. They've taken care of Scholz, they've taken care of. Of Nico. Huh? Stingley, they. Lassiter. Didn't they take care of Lassiter?

[Ocho]

No, Lassiter only in his second year, ain't he?

[Uncle]

Oh, is he?

[Ocho]

Yeah, he only in second year.

[Uncle]

What about Petrie?

[Ocho]

I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about Petrie. All them, boy, man. Hey, God, wait. Hey, could you imagine? Could you imagine if I was out there at the quarterback. Quarterback at Houston.

[Uncle]

What?

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Uncle]

Hey, I called Josh McDonald. I call Mike McDaniel. Ocho Blue, baby.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's a good one for the O.C.

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[Ocho]

Hey. Oh, hold on. I. I rather. I mean, honestly, I like. I like. I like the idea. I like where you're going with it, but I prefer. I Prefer goddamn Mike McDaniel over there in Detroit because he has more to play with. He has more tools to play with. He got more tools in his toolbox and that kind of offense, and it's. It's basically what he's already used to running. I like. I like what you talk about, though. I like that. I like that.

[Uncle]

Check this out. This is what D' Amico said. He never considered benching C.J. c.J. Is our guy. I believe that he could come back out in the second half and flip it. I believe that he could come play better. And. And he did that in the second half. He did play better. We had some positive drive there in the second half. I believe that we would do that. He. And he did that. As I always tell our guys at halftime, it really doesn't matter what happened in the first half.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's a two half game, huh?

[Uncle]

It is two half game.

[Ocho]

You can sting it up the first half and come back and look all world in the second.

[Uncle]

Yep, yep. But it's. In a game like this, it's hard to overcome four turnovers.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle]

In the first half. The only thing that saved them is it was that Drake May was throwing picks and fumbling the football. Yeah, that's what kept him in the ball game. And they needed their defense to get some scooping scores or some pick sixes like they got against Pittsburgh. And they had one, the guy tried to pick it up in that area of the field. You got to just jump on it.

[Ocho]

Jump on it.

[Uncle]

Y. Just jump on it.

[Ocho]

Trying to be. Trying to play hero.

[Uncle]

Will Anderson Jr. Got one out and he almost had it between his leg. And then Campbell jumped on that one. That could have been another one that could have led to points. Maybe a touchdown, maybe a field goal. We don't know. Yeah, but there were some opportunities there for the defense, but it's just hard when your offense puts your defense on short field and puts you. It keeps putting you in harm's way because I don't care how great you are. That's what we had to learn at the 2000 Ravens.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

As great as our defense were, if we kept putting him on short fields with a guy.

[Ocho]

Oh, they going score, all they got.

[Uncle]

To do is just kneel down and kick a field goal.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

And then a busket play or broken tackle, that's a touchdown. Make them drive 70, 80. You weren't driving 70, 80 on that defense. Not that year. I don't believe a team is going to consistently drive 70, 80 yards on that Houston Texas defense. Nah, the only thing that would harm them or would put them in harm's way.

[Ocho]

Yeah, turnovers, offense turning the ball over.

[Uncle]

And the Patriots, hey, they got their hands on the ball. Gonzalez got it out from Woody Mars. Carlton Davis had two outstanding things.

[Ocho]

Hey, they intercessible night. Hey, Carlton Davis. Carlton Davis played a little receiver. Boy, he must have played a little receiver back in the day.

[Uncle]

Those guys, those guys played well. They did a great job. Anthony Jennings had a sack. Sanga has. Tonga had a sack. Caleb on, Chase on had a sack. They got. They put pressure on him, but man, Will Anderson Jr. Was playing out his mind. Three sacks. Danielle Hunter, two sacks, countless pressures.

[Ocho]

Hey, they supposed to come away. I mean, they supposed to come.

[Uncle]

Your defense do that for you? Hey, five sacks.

[Ocho]

You supposed to repay the favor, though. But you know what's funny is them five sacks, the full turnovers, counters. It evens everything out. Yes, it even. It evens everything out.

[Uncle]

Yep. And the thing is, the reason why it was a close ball game is that like you said, one team had had five. What, five turnovers? No, they had no. Woody Marks lost. Yeah, Woody Marks lost one and four. So that's five turnovers. And the other team had three turnovers.

[Ocho]

It's crazy.

[Uncle]

But I. But look, I gotta try something. Cause something is going on with my quarterback and I believe he's the. If I'm d', Amico. This is how I'm thinking. I'm d'. Amico. Ryan. My quarterback is not the same as he was in his rookie season. Now, I need to know why. I'm not. I'm gonna. I'm. I'm not gonna leave a stone unturned. Yeah, I'm gonna scour heaven and earth. Maybe he needs to get an oc. Maybe he needs somebody else in his.

[Ocho]

Ear, you know, I don't know what it is. They need to do something. Because when C.J. stroud missed a few games, David Mills came in and kept their head above water. David Mills came in and kept that Houston Texans offense above water until C.J. st. Got back.

[Uncle]

He did.

[Ocho]

So if David Mills can do it and look the way he look in such a short amount of time, I'M sure CJ Stroud can come back and do it. I'm not sure if his confidence may be shot a little bit. Maybe they need to have a different approach and to get it. Him getting him in rhythm. Stop having plays that are so long. Stop having plays that require play action. I don't. I. I don't know. I don't know. You know, that Team d', Amico, they understand what CJ Stroud's CJ Stroud strengths are as a quarterback, and they understand what his weaknesses are. You need to make sure you play to his strengths and hide his weaknesses the best way you can until you can make his weaknesses a part of his strength. And, and that, that. That takes years and years and years of. Of working at your craft to do that.

[Uncle]

Yeah. What today was the, the. The ALC championship game in 97. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was 97. We. I think we did pick off Cordell a couple of times. What did we pick him up 3 times?

[Ocho]

2 times you played against Cordell Stewart.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

When he was with the Steelers. Huh? Okay.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Three times. Yeah. Well, I think if they don't he. Cause one year, Cordell. I think it might have been that year Cornell finished like second or third in the MVP voting. Who won the MVP in 97? Barry and Brett far tied. Oh, Brett won it three years in a row. 96, 95. 96, 97.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

And then TD wanted in 98. And then. Kurt Warner won it in 2000. 99. And I think Marshall won it in 2000. And then Kurt won it again in 01, I think.

[Ocho]

I think with the Rams. Huh?

[Uncle]

Nah. Rich Gannon. Yeah. I think Kurt 1 in 01. I think Rich 1 in. Rich 1 in 02.

[Ocho]

That's what with the Raiders.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah. With Jerry and Tim.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

But Houston, you got too much talent. Don't. Don't squander this. You got to find out what's going on with C.J. because you're about to have to invest a boatload of money in him. So you might want to make sure everything is on the. That you got. You. You. You give him the best tools possible from an offensive perspective as a coordinator and a quarterback coach to make sure you're maximizing his ability. Yeah. After the game, several fans posted Stroud Stroud's infamous post game moments with. With Caleb Williams from week two of last season. Stroud big brother Williams, despite. Despite them being the same age and told Caleb stop taking those big hits and that it would be a hell of a player in NFL. Well, he ain't lie. Williams did not look at all interested in what Stroud had to say since that moment. C.J. stroud 5,795 yards, 34 touchdowns, 18 picks Caleb Williams 6,612 yards, 48 touchdowns, 12 picks. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Tough.

[Uncle]

He tried. He just tried to look out. He just tried to look at.

[Ocho]

You know, that was a genuine moment too from two players obviously knowing each other before they even made it to the NFL. Just giving me some cause you know how they were giving Caleb crap.

[Uncle]

From California, from la.

[Ocho]

You know what I'm saying?

[Uncle]

Caleb is from the dmv.

[Ocho]

They know each other. Come on now. I'm talking about from college. I'm not talking about when.

[Uncle]

You say.

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The number one Seattle Seahawks bully the San Francisco 49ers by the score of 41 6, the Seahawks advance to the NFC Championship Game. They'll host either the Rams or the Bears next week. Raheed Shahid returned to opening kickoff 95 yards to set the tone and they never looked back. Seattle's defense was stifling as they were the last game of the season when they beat the 49ers 13 to 3. This time it was even more convincing. Seattle defense dominated forcing three turnovers, holding the 49ers to 3, 236 yards and three turn them over on down three consecutive times. Kenneth Walker finished the game 116 rushing yards and three touchdown tying the great Alexander the great Sean Alexander the great Seattle running back Seattle Seahawks running back for the most touchdowns in a playoff game. Ocho, this thing got started from the job. It is hard to overcome, you know, a special team, touchdowns. Ocho, they just do something to you.

[Ocho]

Hey listen, they take the win out yourselves for one. You're already playing on the goddamn road having to deal with the 12th man. Then obviously, you know, you, you, you practice all week and you focus on the offense and the high power octane that is the Seattle Seahawks offense. Then you know what, you know what they look like on defense. And then they have to deal with the special teams too. They come out and score as soon as the game starts. It already puts you behind eight ball and then you can't get nothing going offensively. On top of the turnovers you having in the game, hell, you really don't stand a chance to actually let alone win. You can't even compete playing like that. And so I mean, damn, all three.

[Uncle]

Phases, they dominated all three phases.

[Ocho]

They dominated the entirety of the game. At no point, at no point in the game were the goddamn 49ers in the game at all. And listen, I tweeted at one point, they were up. They were up by. By maybe about.

[Uncle]

Maybe about 4, what, 17, 3, 17 6, something like that?

[Ocho]

17, 6. I said, listen, at some point, the pendulum is going to shift. The momentum is going to shift. Can the Seahawks get enough of a lead when that moment momentum shifts where the 49ers don't have a chance to come back most of the time. Monk, you watch football for a very long time. Most of the time, when it does shift, the other team makes a way and finds a way to come back and crawl their way back into the game tonight. Man.

[Uncle]

Yeah. That wasn't even close. I don't know what that was happening. I don't know if I've ever seen this before. A team only had 50 plays. Team ran 50 plays, Ocho, and get 41 points. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, we'll take that special teams play away. But still, they got 34 points on 50 plays. That's crazy. That is crazy. You cannot. In the postseason, I don't care how good your team. And we're gonna talk about this. Buffalo, you turn the ball over four times now. You know, Sean got a little conservative there. Five turnovers. My bad. But in this game right here, Seattle, man, that defense, they're good at all three levels. Their back end is really good. Ernest Jones, the fourth takes the ball away. Big Leonard Williams and D. Long. DeMarcus Lawrence has found new life getting out of Dallas. He finds the guys are playing for one another. They fly to the football. Big Leonard Williams is since been sensational. Man, you know, they got guys that can make plays on the offensive side of football. They can run the football with Kenneth Walker, what, the third Charbonneau. But the receiving end, they make plays. I mean, they just. They're just a sound football team. Very, very well coached. And I think the thing is, defensively, Ocho, when you watch them, they don't do a whole lot. They don't do a whole lot. I mean, from what I see, they play some quarters and maybe. Man. Man down in the red zone. But other than that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Simplicity. Let's do. Let's. Let's do a few things. Great. As opposed to doing a lot of things. Okay. Yeah.

[Ocho]

And I think that's one of the reasons why defensively, most of the time, they're really not ever out of position because they do the simple things, and they do the simple things very, very well. Obviously, when you have the personnel that they do have defensively, it makes it a lot easier we don't have to do all the exotic shit. You don't have to confuse your opponent with all type of different coverages and schemes and tactics to be able to do things. And the fact they were able to put up 41 points tonight, minus. Let's. Let's. Like you said, let's take out the return from he. They still put up 34, 35 goddamn points. Sam Donald tonight, he was only 12, 17.

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[Uncle]

One TD.

[Ocho]

The JSN. That was it. That is how good they played tonight. Kenneth Walker Jr. Played well. Cooper cup led the team with five. Five for 60. But that goddamn defense, boy, that goddamn. I don't. I'm not sure who they gonna play. I don't know who they gonna play. Obviously, we'll find out tomorrow.

[Uncle]

Sure it matters. I'll be honest with you. Oh, Joe, you never want to put the, you know, the card in front of the. The horse in front of the card. Well, that's where it goes, right? The car in front of the horse. We gotta pull the car. I mean, when you look at Ocho, when you just look at them in the way they rally to the effing football, I mean, it's not one. I'm like, well, hold on. Hey, ref, I bet they got too many men on. Ain't no way in hell, bro. Hey, hey, nah, nah, nah. We only supposed to have 11. They gotta have 13. Ain't no way that they get to the ball that quick. And they do.

[Ocho]

That's exactly the front 40.

[Uncle]

They can generate pressure. Occasionally they'll come with a blitz, but most of the time they just generate pressure with that front four. Hey, that number three. Oh, oh. But if you look at them, they play defense just like the old Legion of Boom. The Legion of Boom basically played one cover. They played single high Robber. Oh, we call it back then. He used to call it lurk Cam. Chance lurking, looking to pick up any crossers. They call it Robber. Now he's looking to rob the crossing route or the income. Other than that, that's it. That's all they played. If you look at this team, they're a very simplistic coverage team. Good luck. Good enough against Spoon and Woland. Got love at safety. You got Ernest Jones iii. Excuse me, the fourth. And then you got. Those guys just swarmed. If these lines just swarm, they're fundamentally sound. McDonald. You know, this is a really tough. Because Ben Johnson could get coach of the Year, Brable could get coach of the Year. Deo Ryan can get coach of the year. McDonald up in Seattle could get coach of the year. I, I, I mean, look, there are a lot of worthy candidates. Hell, Sean Payton can get coach of the year. There are a lot of worthy candidates. But the job that McDonald has done with this team in his short time there, this is only second year. Yeah, only second year.

[Ocho]

Phenomenal.

[Uncle]

And here it is, NFC Championship game with that game on their home field. Go ahead. Ooh.

[Ocho]

The funny thing about it too, those that in the chat that are watching now, you understand the importance of a quarterback. You look at some of the teams that have struggled and, and, and then, and it's his goal to say for Sam Donald, situations matter. Where you go matters. Coaching matters, the person, organizations matter.

[Uncle]

I don't give a damn. Brady could go to the Jets. He gonna be, he ain't gonna be. To do what we know.

[Ocho]

Well, yeah, what we're used to seeing. So, I mean, Sam Donald is in the perfect situation. I, I know I've said it multiple times on the show. I, I know Minnesota is kicking themselves in the foot, you know, for, for.

[Uncle]

Actually allowing it out. It's kind of hard to kick. But I get what you said. We chat, we get, we, we know what he was saying. Chad. Come on now.

[Ocho]

That's outro, man, listen, I'm trying, I'm trying to prevent from cursing. That's why I said that.

[Uncle]

We know, we know. We know what you mean.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right. But, but hey, Sam, Don is playing exceptional. Playing exceptional. Obviously I've been worried about him. He's been somewhat, he's been. Turnover.

[Uncle]

Yeah, he's been very inconsistent. He, you're right.

[Ocho]

I think he had 20, but yeah, well, he had 20 something interceptions. Huh.

[Uncle]

He had 20 plus turnovers.

[Ocho]

20 plus turnover. So I was worried about him going to the playoffs. I was hoping he just took care of the ball because the defense was so well and if they, if they can play defense the way they played tonight and special teams, they do what they need to do and, and Sam Donald doesn't put the ball in harm's way and just allow, allow offensively, whatever.

[Uncle]

The defense, just don't lose it.

[Ocho]

Just take, just, just, just don't lose the game trying to try to make too much bad situation even worse.

[Uncle]

You're right. You're right, Ocho. And when you look at this team, like I said, they're very well coached, they're disciplined, they're good in the special teams area, especially on punt kick return because he is a, is a Pro bowl player on their special teams on the other end they do a great job of tackling, they pin you down, they make you, they don't give you big plays, they make you nickel and dime your way down the field. And that's the best way to play defenses, defense is not to give up anything cheap, anything deep. I believe if you have to consistently drive the ball 10, 12, 15 plays, I believe I can make you turn it over as opposed to giving up a one or two, you know, a 60 yard run or a 50 yard pass play. I believe if I make you go first down, first, second, okay, convert, third down, first, second, conduct, conduct, convert, third down. I believe if I make you continuously have to nickel and dime your way down the field, I, I believe you'll stub your toe. I believe you'll make a mistake. And that's all I need.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And you know what else is good? If you look at the landscape of the team to the left, let's say for the NFC in general, you look at a game like Tonight, offensively, Chris McCraft, Christian McCaffrey causes an issue regards to who they're playing because they can create mismatches by using him in a multitude of ways offensively, but because the goddamn Seahawks are so good in all three levels, whether it be the front, whether it be the second level, or they got damn back end, they match up so extremely well. Some of the things that Christian McCaffrey is able to exploit when they're playing other teams. Play somebody like Seattle, it's not happening. Like he had some runs, he wasn't.

[Uncle]

Able to do what he does.

[Ocho]

Nah, there were no gases tonight. And boy, they was putting a hat on him tonight. Boy, boy, they was putting the hat on him tonight.

[Uncle]

I mean, the fourth had two takeaways, he had a pick, had a force fumble, ripped it out on the tight end. But I thought, look, from about week, I mean, for like the last month, after what they did to the Rams, they showed me something. Being down like they were and, and, and, and, and, and finding a way to get up off the mattress and to win that game in overtime in the fashion. Not only did they tie because the Rams go right down the field in overtime. Get a, get a touchdown. Pat, they're up seven. And for, for Seattle to match it to go down the field and then say, you know what? We ain't doing no more overtime because the next score win, we're going to win it or lose it right here. And they say, you know what? We're gonna win it. And Sam Donald did a, did a great job. Seattle's gonna be a tough out, Joe. They gonna be. I don't care. Look, the game, obviously we can say the game favors Chicago because they're. They practicing that and they play more often in those kind of conditions than the Rams. But anything can happen on a given Sunday. That's why we love football so much. Because it's one thing, it's one game. It's winna go home. There is no tomorrow. There's finality once postseason. It's not like that in any other sport. They say game seven. There's nothing like game seven. Well, in the NFL, every playoff game is a game seven. Whether it's the wild card division or the AFC championship, obviously the super bowl, we know what that is. But every playoff game in the postseason, I mean every playoff game in the NFL is a Game 7. No other sport has that. Because I get four chances. All I got to do, I got to beat you four times. But that, it doesn't work like that in the NFL. I ain't got to beat nobody four times. I gotta win. If I win four games, if I win four games, Ocho, I probably. If I'm a wild card, I'm gonna be the super bowl champ.

[Ocho]

I'm holding up the trophy.

[Uncle]

In other sport, if you win four games, all they, all you did was advance, advance to the next round.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah.

[Uncle]

Four games in the NFL. In the postseason, you su. Both champs. But look, San Francisco, you know, the injuries, the in and out, you know, they lost Trent for a minute, the wide receiver. I thought they did, I thought they, they, they played well. But sometimes, you know, team just has your number. Teams. You have your number. Seattle, Seattle is. I'm not so sure if the 49ers have all their pieces that they're a better football team than, than, than, than Seattle, you know.

[Ocho]

You know, I, when I think about it, I think about if they had Bosa, if they had Fred Warren.

[Uncle]

Okay. Yeah, because you got to be. Because they can't get pressure on the quarterback, Ojo. It's so hard for them to get pressure and you got to have somebody that can win quick. You need somebody that can win right now, that can win his one on one matchup. They got. And they don't really have that. Fred Warner is not going to make some of the mistakes that these guys were making. They're trying to go under and they get pinned and it spits out or they go over and the guy cuts back. Fred is not going to make some of the mistakes. He's too veteran of a Player, he's going to read and diagnose what's going on a lot sooner than these guys. But I think from a look, and it's. These games are always close. Normally. Normally. I mean, the first time they played up in Seattle, they. The 49ers won, but it was a very close ball game. The second time, it was a 133 ball game. The 49ers felt that, you know, what if we eliminate some of these turnovers? Oh, we like our chances because we've already. We've already been here and won before. So it's not like it's foreign to us. It's like. Like it's out of the realm of possibility that we can't. We can win because we've won here before. So, you know, you feel somewhat good. You like to have Bosa. Yeah, because you had Bosa when you won the first time. You had Fred Warner when you run it won the first time. You had Kittle when you won the first time. So you would have liked to have some of those pieces. But you got what you got. You got what you got. I mean, I look good.

[Ocho]

You got to make. Yeah, you got. You got to make do it what you have. Obviously, I. I think it hurts not having Kittle, not having both and not having Fred Warner, but you think when it comes to this time, when it comes to playoff time, there are a lot of teams that. That have injuries, maybe not. Maybe not injuries to some of their star players to the extent of that of the 49ers. But you got to make do it.

[Uncle]

You got.

[Ocho]

You got to make what you got. So, I mean, it's unfortunate, I think, for the 49ers.

[Uncle]

It's hard for me to look.

[Ocho]

It's hard for me to understand why right back here. So, I mean, it is what it is.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Trying to think. I'm looking at the 49ers, maybe a D lineman, maybe a corner. I mean, losing Huffanga, who's in Denver right now, their safety is. Man, I just don't know. I mean, the past didn't jig, but I don't know what 36 was looking at. I don't know what he looking at. Oh, so why would he look back inside? The quarterback is rolling towards the sideline. You look back inside, and he throws it, and Jigma slides and catches it. I'm like, what are you looking for?

[Ocho]

That was a nice drop in the bucket, too now.

[Uncle]

I mean, he looking like his mom called him, like he heard somebody. You called me mom? No. Oh, man. See, oo I mean, when I go to games, this is why. And, and, and, and we're going to talk about the Bronco. This is why I came, man. I see some stuff, bro. I'm like, bro, what? I just. Okay, come here, son. Come here. Let me ask you something right quick. Tell me what you saw. What did you see?

[Ocho]

Right?

[Uncle]

I, I, I don't know. I don't know.

[Ocho]

But yeah, you got, you got to understand too, unk. Now, when you, when you're watching the game from a fan perspective, even though you've played the game, and when you're watching from a high level view today, huh?

[Uncle]

22, we can see everything up high with you.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes, you know what we see with a, with a, with a clear eyesight.

[Uncle]

They can't see eye level.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You know, and the bullet and the bullets, you know, is flying. You know, it's a thinking man's game out there, huh? Thinking man's game. So one mistake, one slip up, one step behind what you've done the wrong way, you hesitate, you peek in the backfield. That's all.

[Uncle]

The only thing that I tried to do. Go ahead, go ahead, you say, yeah.

[Ocho]

You out of position.

[Uncle]

The only thing that I really, that I really emphasize, oo is that I never tried to get beat on what I've seen on tape. If I know a guy like the cross face, I can't let you beat me cross. Now, if you step cross like you across my face and come out the backside, we need to get a different running back because he too, got him slow to hit the hole. Other than that, Ocho, you're gonna make, you're gonna have drops, you're gonna make some mistakes. But as I told, I remember Pastor Tan, I got a chance to holla at him. I saw his dad, I saw his dad also talk to him. I say, in the playoffs, there are no incidental plays. Every play matters. See some in the regular season, Ocho. Sometimes the first quarter play might not have an impact in the rest of the game, but in the postseason, every play matters. Every play matters. And so you're like, oh, don't worry about it. We'll get it back. But that's the dip, you know? Now all of a sudden, instead of a seven point, you got three now that's four point swing at cvs. It matters that we're not just in your community, but that we're part of it. It matters that we're here for you when you need us, day or night. And we want everyone to feel welcomed and rewarded. It matters that CVS is here to fill your prescriptions and here to fill your craving for a tasty and yeah, healthy snack. At cvs, we're proud to serve your community because we believe where you get your medicine matters. So Visit [e-mail] or just come by our store. We can't wait to meet you. Store hours vary by location.

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