Best of NFL Divisional Round Part 2: Ja’Quan McMillian breaks down game-sealing INT off Josh Allen

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL Divisional Round Part 2

Ja’Quan McMillian Breaks Down Game-Sealing INT off Josh Allen

Release Date: January 21, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (w/ Co-Host and Guest: Broncos CB Ja’Quan McMillian)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on a detailed breakdown of the Denver Broncos' nail-biting overtime victory over the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Divisional Round. Shannon Sharpe and co-host (referred to as “Ocho”) analyze the game's dramatic moments—especially the ending, which featured a controversial, game-sealing interception by Broncos cornerback Ja’Quan McMillian. The show features in-depth commentary on Josh Allen's struggles, clutch defensive plays, coaching decisions, and the emotional aftermath in Buffalo, highlighted by poignant post-game reflections and an exclusive interview with McMillian, who relives his pivotal play.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Game Recap: Broncos vs. Bills Overtime Thriller

• Key Stats:
  • Broncos QB “Bo” (Bo Nix) out with late injury; Jarrett Stidham named starter moving forward.
  • Russell Wilson’s Denver replacement “B” (presumably Bo Nix) finished with 279 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT.
  • Josh Allen threw for 283 yards, 3 TDs, but accounted for 4 of Buffalo’s 5 turnovers.
  • Wil Lutz kicked a 23-yard game-winning FG in overtime for Denver after key penalties.
• Discussion:
  • Both hosts emphasize how turnovers and missed opportunities defined the game and how losing a starting QB changes Denver’s playoff outlook drastically.
  • [05:38] Shannon: “You can’t have those drops... You’re supposed to be their best wide receiver.”
  • [06:20] Ocho: Immediately pivots to Allen’s four turnovers: “We need to talk about Josh Allen.”

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2. Live Reaction to Bo Nix Injury and Broncos’ Quarterback Situation

• [01:59] Host reports Bo Nix’s fractured ankle:
  • Out for the season after late-game injury.
  • Stidham, the backup, discussed for his prospects: “He’s not Bo Nix... He is capable of maybe winning you a game.” – [03:28] Ocho

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3. Receiving Corps and Costly Mistakes

• Little Jordan Humphrey and Pro Bowler Courtland Sutton criticized for dropped passes in key moments.
• [05:43] Ocho: “Everything is magnified, especially in the playoffs... Those drops could have been costly.”

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4. Josh Allen’s Turnover Battle

• The hosts go deep on Allen’s issues protecting the ball:
  • [06:36] Shannon: “Take a knee and get your ass into the locker room.”
  • [06:40] Ocho: “He’s fast, but he’s not that fast. To have the ball holding it like a loaf of goddamn bread.”
• Discussion of Buffalo’s missed opportunity in a year without Mahomes, Lamar, or Burrow:
  • [06:58] Shannon: “He was the best remaining quarterback in the AFC and he gagged.”

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5. Debate About Bills' Coaching Staff

• Is it time for a new voice in Buffalo?
  • [08:26] Ocho: “You think it’s time for a new voice over there…?”
  • [08:33] Shannon: “They got to ask themselves some questions… You were the only one that had an MVP quarterback… and you gagged.”
• Recap of Buffalo’s playoff exits under McDermott.

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6. Critical Sequence: Calvin Johnson Rule and Game-Sealing Interception

The Play:

• Brandon Cooks’ near-catch/interception by Ja’Quan McMillian at the Bills’ 20-yard line in OT (the so-called “Calvin Johnson Rule”):
  • [12:26] Shannon: “If a receiver catches the football and he goes to the ground, he must maintain possession... throughout the entirety of the catch.”
  • [13:09] Ocho recalls Calvin Johnson’s famous no-catch in Chicago: “And that was a catch, and tried to get up…”
  • [14:01] Discussion on the pass interference penalties and their influence on outcomes.
  • [15:12] Ocho: “I hate the fact...the game ended on a flag, but I do think it was PI.”

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7. Explaining the Controversial Interception Call

• Referee and hosts clarify NFL rules on maintaining possession through contact with the ground:
  • [23:14] Ocho: “He must survive the contact from the ground and possess the football.”
  • [26:56] Shannon reads pool report quote explaining decision: “The defender is the one that completed the process of the catch.”
• Multiple analogies and examples (Dez Bryant, practice/game scenarios) illuminate the nuances for listeners.
• [29:44] Ocho: “Some people aren’t even gonna listen—you know who? The Buffalo fans.”

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8. Emotional Fallout in Buffalo

• Post-game reactions from Josh Allen and Dion Dawkins are highlighted as emotional, with the panel emphasizing the all-encompassing pain of coming up short:
  • [39:30] Josh Allen: “Feel like I let my...let my teammates down tonight.”
  • [40:55] Shannon: “This is a lifetime of devotion. I’m so close. I can see it. And every single year… disappointment does not get easier.”
• [43:04] Ocho: Compares football heartbreak to life’s deepest letdowns: “It could be a relationship… investing in something and not getting that return.”

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9. Exclusive Interview: Ja’Quan McMillian on the Clinching Interception

Key Segment: [53:17]–[72:23]

Walkthrough of the Play

• [53:56] Host invites McMillian to walk through the decisive interception.
• [54:30] Ja’Quan McMillian: “We was actually in zero… I’m playing the sticks… he kind of underthrew it, and you know, I’m just running, running, trying not to panic...he lost control and I just yanked it out of his hands.”
• [55:16] Shannon: “A receiver sometimes gives it away with their eyes… their eyes get bigger, you know the ball’s in the air.”
• [56:05] McMillian: “I get up and I’m holding the ball in the air, and I’m looking at the back judge like, okay, what you gonna call?”
• [57:00] Ocho: “There’s been so much controversy...but the call was made the right way.”

Masterclass on DB Technique and Mindset

• McMillian describes reading the receiver, leveraging film study, and staying composed—practicing not to panic, even if beaten initially:
  • [62:30] McMillian: “Just reading the receiver…once he slowed down, I knew the ball was short so I had to adjust to that.”
  • [63:17] “Force the receiver to make the catch... fight him all the way to the ground.”
• Shannon and Ocho stress the difference between making this play in deafening stadium noise vs. quiet practice.
• [67:07] McMillian: “If I just do my job and have my eyes where they’re supposed to be… I feel like I can’t be beat.”

Film Study and Preparation

• McMillian shares his weekly prep routine: Cut-ups early, TV copy at week’s end for audio cues and atmosphere.
• [65:56] “Closer to the game I watch the TV copy… just listening to commentary, picking up little signs.”

Closing Banter

• Playful challenge: [71:00] Ocho: “You think you could cover me?”
  • [71:03] McMillian: “Of course. 100%.”
  • [71:36] McMillian: “Hey, we ain’t ducking none—the whole secondary.”
  • [72:01] McMillian: “Anybody can get it.”

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Memorable Quotes

• On Josh Allen’s turnovers:

  • [06:40] Ocho: “To have the ball holding it like a loaf of goddamn bread...”
  • [09:44] Ocho: “If there was a year for Buffalo to make it to the Super Bowl, this was it.”
  • [49:33] Ocho: “We put it on every other quarterback when they lose. The onus on this loss is on Josh. Oh, he played like doodle…like diarrhea. Like slippery…messy.”

• On game-deciding rulings:

  • [12:26] Shannon: “Let me explain it again. If a receiver catches the football and he goes to the ground, he must maintain possession…”
  • [26:56] Shannon (reading ref’s report): “The defender is the one that completed the process of the catch. So the defender was awarded the ball.”

• On the agony of playoff loss:

  • [43:32] Host 1: “...a lifetime of regret that you look back at...nobody remembers all the great, Superman, the Herculean plays...I remember him in the divisional round, he turned the ball over four times.”

• On making clutch plays:

  • [59:06] McMillian: “It’s a whole different animal playing the slot...it’s a different world.”
  • [67:07] McMillian: “If I just do my job and have my eyes where they're supposed to be…I can't be beat.”

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Important Timestamps

• [01:59] – Bo Nix injury announcement
• [05:38] – On dropped passes by Denver’s WRs
• [06:20] – Allen’s turnovers dissected
• [12:26]–[14:54] – Explanation of the Calvin Johnson Rule and PI
• [23:14]–[33:51] – Clarifying the rules on catching/interceptions; discussion with official’s pool report
• [39:30] – Josh Allen and Dion Dawkins’ emotional postgame reactions
• [53:17] – Interview with Ja’Quan McMillian begins: play breakdown, mentality, and film study
• [71:00] – Playful WR vs. DB challenge between Ocho and McMillian

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Tone

True to Club Shay Shay’s style: conversational, humorous, sometimes raw and bracingly honest. The hosts blend technical football analysis with storytelling, banter, and relatable life wisdom, seasoned with occasional playful trash talk (especially in the interview with McMillian). The show is candid about triumph, disappointment, and the emotional weight of playoff football, making it compelling for both passionate fans and casual listeners.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

The episode is a must-hear for its expert breakdown of one of the playoffs' most debated moments, real talk about the heartbreak of falling short, and a revealing interview with the game’s defensive hero. It masterfully combines football IQ, emotion, and the unmistakable authenticity of Club Shay Shay.

Transcript

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[Host 1]

I mean I thought. You know what, let's go ahead and talk about this game. Come back to this. The Broncos beat the Bills in overtime head to the AFC title game. Will Lux made a 23 yard field goal to win it in overtime following two late penalties. Could get to get Denver in the red zone. B next pass for 279 yards. Three touchdowns. He did have one interception. Josh Allen threw for 283 three touchdowns, but he had four of Buffalo's five turnovers. But the big news came after the game oo when Sean Payton took the podium. But let's take a listen to what he had to say about this breaking news. Not good news.

[Jaquan McMillan]

On the second to last play in.

[Host 1]

Overtime, Bo fractured a bone in his right ankle. He's scheduled to have sur surgery Tuesday.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Of this week which will put him.

[Host 1]

Out for the rest of the season. Steady's ready to go and it was, yeah, it was the second to last play before he threw the the pass to Mims.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Birmingham is where he'll have the surgery.

[Host 1]

With Dr. Waltrip and I don't really.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Think there's any other questions.

[Host 1]

You know. In other words, this is just is.

[Jaquan McMillan]

What it is and we felt like it'd be best to.

[Host 1]

Just tell everyone now. I mean, come on now. Damn boy, that's a buzzer look. I know.

[Host 2]

No, yeah, that's Bad luck. Listen, Second. Second play. The second last play before the game, you know, after playing the entirety of the game. I mean, that sucks, especially for Broncos fans, I'm sure. Obviously, losing your starting quarterback, that changes everything. That changes the way your offense is called. That changes the way your offense is done. So now someone else has to step up. I'm not sure who is your best.

[Host 1]

Started with the Patriots from Auburn, went to the Raiders.

[Host 2]

Yes, I remember Stidham. I remember Stidham. He's. He's not Bo Nicks. I. I think he is capable of maybe winning you a game, obviously. Listen. Listen to me now. I'm. I'm trying to give you some hope. I'm trying to give you some hope. I'm trying.

[Host 1]

Young lady's name. That's a young lady's name.

[Host 2]

Hope. So what?

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[Host 2]

You ain't got no. You ain't got no faith?

[Host 1]

Instead, bro, we gonna face the Patriots or the Texans.

[Host 2]

Hey, both two defensive dogs, too, boy.

[Host 1]

And then if for some unforeseen reason you get past them, there's a great chance you're gonna play Seattle. Ooh, I saw what Seattle. I saw. I was in New York when Seattle did that 438 demolition job on us. I'm good. Yeah. So.

[Host 2]

So basically you. You want to start packing y' all stuff for Cancun now? What?

[Host 1]

I'm gonna enjoy this. I get 24 hours to enjoy this.

[Host 2]

Okay, you can feel bad about. Don't feel bad about.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I feel bad. He was selected in the fourth. In the fourth round of 2019 draft. Ojo. He's not in his third season with the Broncos, serving as a backup to Knicks for two of those. Stidham is 1 and 3 as an NFL starter. He last started the game in 23 when he went 1 and 1. Over the last two games of the regular season, Stidham has thrown eight touchdowns and eight interceptions in 20 NFL games. The Broncos, they got. They get the ball, they go right down the field. Little John Humphrey. Little Jordan Humphrey. Bro, he dropped it. He dropped a touchdown. Now, he came back and caught one in the second ocho. But that's four points. Yeah, the same play that I think. Who was that? King K. They caught the touchdown from the slot. Run the fade from the slot. That's the same play. Little Jordan Humphrey dropped. Cortland, bro, you're a pro bowler. You just signed an extension. You. You on the last. You dropped two passes. You drop two. Yeah, you gotta have that. You're. You're supposed to be their Best. Their best wide receiver.

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Host 1]

You can't. You can't. You can't have those drops. Ojo. In that situation. Yeah, yeah.

[Host 2]

I mean, every. Everything is magnified, especially in the playoff. You know, you. You don't get as plays as you'd like, so the plays that you do get when the ball does come to you, they didn't go to court for a very long time during the game. He wasn't in rhythm, and he had to catch. He's one of those that's not gonna. Not gonna complain. He's not gonna say anything. He's gonna run everything hard until the ball does come his way. So I. I kind of understand it, but he understands that. He knows you can't have those drops. Those drops could have been costly. Obviously, it didn't cost you this game, but listen, the Broncos win a game. We need to talk about Josh Allen. Oh, we need. We need to talk about Josh Allen.

[Host 1]

Hey.

[Host 2]

Four. Four. Four to five.

[Host 1]

He had four of the five turnovers.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I mean, two interceptions, two fumbles.

[Host 1]

What are you doing carrying the ball like that? Ocho, come on.

[Host 2]

Come on, man.

[Host 1]

You.

[Host 2]

You know, he should know better than that.

[Host 1]

Take a knee and get your ass into the locker room.

[Host 2]

Yeah, he's fast, but he's not that fast. To not think pursuit is right there. To have the ball holding it like a loaf of goddamn bread, like this was supposed to be the Bills here. I said it multiple times because he didn't have to deal with Pat Mahomes, his kryptonite. He didn't have to deal with Lamar Jackson. He didn't have to deal with Joe Burrow.

[Host 1]

And he's the best quarterback. He was the best quarterback remaining on the afc. I get he. He's out, but there's nobody. He's better than C.J. stroud. He's better than Drake May. He was the best remaining quarterback in the afc, and he gagged. Yeah. And I told you at the beginning of season. Buffalo, y' all need to have some questions about Sean McDermott.

[Host 2]

Whoa, wait. We can't. We can't. We can't blame. We can't blame McDermott. We can't blame McDermott after that performance by us.

[Host 1]

So what about those before. What about the previous six games when Josh Allen didn't have any turnovers and you still lost?

[Host 2]

Okay, talk to me now.

[Host 1]

I mean, at least John Harbaugh, he got to a pro. He got to a Super bowl and won it. Mike Tomlin got the two.

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[Host 1]

I mean, we gotta have some Conversation, it's just not good. Oh, Joe, you had the best quarterback. You were the only one that had an MVP quarterback. As a matter of fact, nobody else had an MVP quarterback in the postseason. You're the only one.

[Host 2]

Hey, hey. He, he, he put up a stinger.

[Host 1]

Yeah. And I'm trying to figure out the way you running the football up, why you got Josh Allen throwing them all 39 times. James Cook got 24 carries for a buck 17. He's averaging basically four, five yards a carry. Josh Allen got averaging five and a half yards of carry and you throwing the ball.

[Host 2]

So. Yeah. So I got a question. You think, you think it's, it's time for a new voice over there in.

[Host 1]

I think they're gonna have a serious discussion. I, I, I think the Pulas are going to have a serious discussion with themselves. They got to ask themselves some, some questions because are you, are, I mean think about it, Ocho. Are you closer? Are you closer? Remember you got to the AFC championship game last year. They put all this technology in to make sure because oh, he got it. No, he didn't get it. Now they got this technology with everything removed when they had removed the hedge from around you for you to go. Ain't no Pat Mahomes. You don't have to go to Kansas City. You don't have to deal with Burrow. You didn't have to deal with Lamar, although you beat Lamar. But those are guys that are that Lamar, the two time MVP Joe Burrow has gone to your building and beat you. He's gone to Pat Mahomes building and beat him. He, he was, you know, a couple of plays away from winning a Super Bowl. He's removed the guy that's going to five Super Bowls, one three in an MVP league. Mvp. He's gone. And the guy in the second year, what are we doing here?

[Host 2]

The funny thing about it, if there was a year for Buffalo to make it to the super bowl, this, yes, this was it. So I, I, I don't understand what happened in the game like today. You need Josh Allen to be what we, most of we call them. We give him that moniker as being because he does less with more. I mean he does more with less. This is the game. He put up a sneaker. He, there's if, ands, buts about it.

[Host 1]

How about this? OO bought Bills in the postseason under Sean McDermott. Lost the wild card G round to Houston, lost the championship in the championship game to kc, Lost the divisional to kc, Lost the divisional to Cincinnati, lost the Divisional to kc, lost the championship to kc, lost the, lost the divisional to Denver.

[Host 2]

You think about some of those turnovers on. You think about, Well, who was that now anyway? You think about some of those turnovers on I. The game changes because some of those are points.

[Host 1]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host 2]

Some of those are points. And it, it, it takes away your opportunity, your chances to win a game this magnitude where points that are premium every series counts, every time we have the ball, it counts. And the fact that they Only lost by 3 with 5 turnovers lets you know that they let the opportunity slip right between their fingers.

[Host 1]

OO all you got to do is take a knee, go in at the half. Now you kicking. Instead of tie the game to going overtime, you kicking the game to win it.

[Host 2]

Come on now.

[Host 1]

Sometimes you can be too confident, sometimes you can get greedy. They got greedy. We got Josh Allen. We got two timeouts. Let's see what we can do. He didn't protect the ball. Benito did a great job stripping him from behind. Then Bonito did another job. He hit him in his back. He fumbled that ball. Denver should have put that game away early. Cuz when Benito hit him in his back. They got the ball at the 19 yard line. You get two yards. I thought Sean called the game conservative at that point. No, I'm going for, I'm going for your throat. I'm. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I, I, I, I, that's. I, I got, I'm g. To end it. Can you imagine, O, if the score is instead of 20 to 10, the score is 24 or 27 to 10. Now we got a whole different ball game all game. But McMillan, that DB, 29, he made a play of the game. Yes, sir. Chad, I know y' all say that was a catch. He should have been down. Let me explain it to you. It's called the Calvin Johnson rule. If a receiver catches the football and he in turn goes to the ground, he must maintain possession of the football throughout the entirety of the act called catching the football. I don't know how. Let me explain it again. If a receiver catches the football and he goes to the ground, he must maintain possession of the football throughout the entirety of the catch. To make a long story short, and I made a long story, and I made a short story long, he goes to the ground, he need to get his ass up and hand the ball to the official ref.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like it's called a Calvin Johnson rule. Yeah, yeah. Basically, when he was playing Chicago, remember?

[Host 1]

And that was a catch and trying to get. And tried to get up and they.

[Host 2]

Challenged it and they won't forget. And obviously when I, when I saw it most of the time I, I call it somewhat of a bang bang play in a sense where you have to maintain possession of the play and through the play where, where possession is supposed to be maintained away from you took the ball. He took the ball away from you. That was obvious.

[Host 1]

That was the player of the game because they had the 20 yard line. Okay. They're gonna kick a field goal and win it.

[Host 2]

Yeah, exactly. So I mean it's tough then. I, I hate. And I said this, I tweeted this as well.

[Host 1]

It's.

[Host 2]

With a game like this, as close as it was, I hate for the refs to be the one to, to be.

[Host 1]

They're gonna be maligned but it was the right ocho.

[Host 2]

It was the right call about the PI. The PI babies. Wife.

[Host 1]

Oh, it was PI. And they missed the other one earlier. Earlier.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where he pulled. Pulled his arm back.

[Host 1]

They, they missed one. They were PIs. It wasn't like man, I don't think that was a PI. It was an obvious PI. They missed one earlier ain't. And they, they let him play for the most part.

[Host 2]

Hey yeah, you know the, you heard what you just said. They let him play for the most part. But I would love some consistency if you're gonna let him play early in the game.

[Host 1]

We can't let you be that egregious with it though.

[Host 2]

Oo yeah, it was egregious. TR Davis was a little, A, A little early. I wish he would have looked back for the ball. He, he, he got beat off the line. When you get beat off the line of scrimmage and then you in hurry up mode trying to catch up, what's the first thing you do? You. If that receiver slows down, you gonna run right up.

[Host 1]

That's exactly what bo that's supposed to be a walk off touchdown. But b didn't trust himself so he put it up there knowing Mims was gonna have to slow down and know white was going to run up his back. That's a touchdown. That's a walk off touchdown. That's supposed to end the game. All he's supposed to do is let Ms. Run up.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I, I just hate the fact. I know it was PI, but I hate the fact that it came down to the yellow flag. I hate, I hate that the, the end of the game and the game decision making ended up on the rest flag. I mean, it was PI.

[Host 1]

I'm not.

[Host 2]

Not saying it wasn't. I just hate that it ended the way it did. I, I, I, I, I do, I do.

[Host 1]

But I. I can see Ocho, if it wasn't like it was kind of like when you had the conversation I first. Yo, nightcap with, uh, the Eagles and KC Man. Man, you can't throw the flag. The man came and told you. Bradford the four and said, I held him. I was beat. So the man telling you, even the official, when he explained it to the pool reporters, what we saw is the guy gets beat. He's pulling away, and the guy he's about to option away, and he tugs it. Bradford came. He said, I did it. I was hoping they didn't see it. And Philly fans still and everybody talking about, well, they shouldn't have called it. And the man Ocho. So if a man, I robbed that bank. I took that $15 million, man. He ain't do it. They shouldn't even arrest that man. He told you he did it, and he got the money to show you. You saw the man grab juju Jersey. All he had. Like you said, they missed the first PI. That really should have been PI and they didn't. I'm like, well, damn, I. Are y' all not gonna call PI today? So Sean say, you know what? Let's dial it up again. Let's see. Either we gonna get a completion, or we gonna force him to call it.

[Host 2]

One or the other. And especially. Especially in that situation, that timing of the game. Once. Once I saw.

[Host 1]

Once.

[Host 2]

Once I saw white get beat off that.

[Host 1]

You ain't got no outro. He ain't got no help. He already know at all.

[Host 2]

I got to get on my horse. I got to get on my horse. And the funny thing about it is, what makes some of the greatest DBs in the NFL? In the NFL, when you're in a. In. In that. No, at a different bad situation. Oh, there we go. When you had a disadvantage like that, when you get beat. Can I still remain calm and collective when the ball is in the air and still be able to play the ball even though the man is in front of. That's hard to do, boy.

[Host 1]

It's even harder when you're in overtime. So just imagine that's all in first quarter, second quarter, maybe there's a chance now it's first score. If next score win, they had the ball. We've had the ball. They score, they win. So now it ain't like the Fourth quarter, okay. We hey our office get a chance, we can go. They can go down and redeem this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I, when I look, I was like, oh, he opened and I saw him throw. I said why would you throw the ball like that when you're not confident oo and you don't want to overshoot him. Yes, sir. You try to just get him the ball knowing that he's gonna. Because I can see the ball. Oh, I see the ball. The DB not looking back because he's in such a hurry to catch up with me. He's just gonna run sl. It's just like you, when you not paying attention, you run slam in the back of somebody where if you paying attention, you don't run in the back of nobody. You feeling down with your phone or you go to answer your phone and you go trade. Bam. Oh man. What happened? You ran dead in the back of somebody. Ocho. But it was, it was a man. Ocho. I think we, I think we got the record. 119.7 decibel. That's a lot. That a. That, that place was crazy. Yes. As check that. 119.7. I think we took that thing back from.

[Host 2]

From Seattle or Kansas City.

[Host 1]

I don't know. I think we got 119. Unless somebody got more than 119, it's ours now.

[Host 2]

I know, man. Kansas, Kansas City or Kansas City or Seattle might have higher than 119. I could, I could be wrong, but them two stadiums there, when it comes to that.

[Host 1]

See how to get loud.

[Host 2]

Well, you can't hit.

[Host 1]

See, I was getting tracking stuff like that when it was in like the Kingdom or the Astrodome with his old the House of Pain. That's what he used to call the afternoon after Dome. The House of Pain or the Kingdome or some of these old. These old. But they didn't keep track of it back then. Here's Sean McDermott on that controversial call.

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[Host 1]

H Vac technician and a call comes in, Grainger knows that you need a partner that helps you find the right product fast and hassle free. And you know that when the first problem of the day is a clanking blower motor, there's no need to break a sweat. With Grainger's easy to use website and product details, you're confident you'll soon have everything humming right along. Call 1-800-GRAINGER clickgrainger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done. It's hard for me to and I've had a chance to look. It's hard for me to understand why it was ruled the way it was ruled and if it is ruled that way then why wasn't it slowed down? Just to make sure that we have this right. That would have made a lot of sense to me to make sure that we have this thing right because that's a pivotal play in the game. We have the ball at the 20, maybe kicking a game winning field goal right there. So I'll just leave it at that. But I'm doing, I'm Saying it because I'm standing up for Buffalo, damn it, I'm standing up for us. Because what went on is not. That is not how it should go down in my estimation, that play. These guys spend three hours out there playing football, pouring their guts out to not even say, hey, let's just slow this thing down. That's why I'm bothered. Catch. In my eyes it was. Yes, in my eyes it was.

[Host 2]

Now which play is he's talking about?

[Host 1]

The interception. The play to cooks in which McMillan took. Got out his hands.

[Host 2]

Hey, listen, Mr. McDermott has been around the game of football for a very long time. Ms. D understands the rules when it comes to the game of football. Even watching from the sideline, you had, you, you had a field side. You have an eye, you have an eye view of what's going on. You know, that's an interception. I'm, I'm a receiver even. I understand that. You have to have position to catch and maintain it and get up with the ball.

[Host 1]

Cuz he went. If he doesn't go to the ground, it's a catch. But once you go to the ground on Cho, you must maintain. If the D. Bryant. I dance. Bryant is the. There, there it is.

[Host 2]

Green Bay game went to the grand.

[Host 1]

They know the moment you go to the ground. So let that chat. If you can't, if you. Hey, I don't know what y' all rules are in the turkey league or your flag football league, but if you catch a football and you go to.

[Host 2]

The ground.

[Host 1]

You got to maintain possession of the football throughout the act of the catch and buffalo. It's hard, but you know, McMillan, as he was going down, McMillan was pulling the ball. That's why he was able to come up with it.

[Host 2]

Yeah, hey, that's, that's, that's a bang, bang play is, you know, going to the ground. I mean, the receiver, you want to do the best you can to grab that thing and have strong hands, but obviously you, you out, you out here, you out here with it, so it's hard to bring that in. And because you out here and you, you exposed, you don't have much strength because it's not close to your body.

[Host 1]

And because when he turned, made a stronger man. When you turn Ocho, you bring the DB into play. Now. Yeah, now he got, now he can do this. And his momentum is carrying him over. So he gonna pull it out.

[Host 2]

Yeah, every time.

[Host 1]

But think about it, he pulled it out and held on to it. A lot of times we see it pull out and it's incomplete. Yeah, but the hair. The play before. See, if Cooks was a hands catcher, he'd caught that one on the sideline. Remember, he jumped up and caught it with his body. He got his foot down and then he tried to brace himself and his hand touched down out of bounds. Yeah, he caught it with his hands. He got both feet down and bound. You have to understand where you are on the field. But I thought, I. Look, if I'm Buffalo, I'm definitely bringing Cooks back because I think. I think he played. I thought he played really well. I mean, he. Ocho, he just got there like two days ago. Yeah.

[Host 2]

He been that long? He ain't been that long. But even if you don't bring Cooks back, you think about some of the options, some of the options that you have. You know, there might be a shakeup. There might be a shake up with someone that's down there in Philly who might. Might be a viable option to come in as your number one.

[Host 1]

Who would.

[Host 2]

Who would be tremendous to have, for Josh Allen to have a. What I like to consider a true number one. Chat. Y' all know exactly where I'm going with this. You never know what can happen. Regardless of people talk about cap hits and all that, I'm not sure if y' all been following the game of the game of football long enough. NFL teams don't care nothing about no.

[Host 1]

Cap hits to make it work.

[Host 2]

NFL team don't care nothing about no cap hits or how high it is. They don't care nothing about that. Especially when situations have deteriorated as much as they have this year over there with some of the issues that they had. So I think they're probably going to move on from one of the best in the game, and there's a good chance he might end up in Buffalo.

[Host 1]

Oh, pool report reasoning. Question. What did you see on the past of Brandon Cooks that was ruled an interception by Jaquan McMillan. Carl Shepherds, who the referee. The receiver has to complete the process of the catch. He's going to the ground as part of the process. The catch. He lost possession of the ball when he hit the ground. The defender gained possession of it at that point. The defender is the one that completed the process of the catch. So the defender was awarded the ball. Question, did the ball hit the ground? No. That was confirmed in the replay process. The interception was confirmed. Now he is an official now. I just told you the rule. I told you the rule. I tweeted somebody, I said this is what has to happen when you go chat. This is the last time Ocho. And I was going to explain it to you. Ocho's a receiver. I'm the db. Ocho jumps up and catches the ball. If he stays on his feet, we good. But if Ocho goes to the ground and in the process of going to the ground, we hit the ground simultaneous and he loses possession. And I come up with the ball, it's my ball. I completed the process, not Ocho. Ocho started the process. I appreciate him for doing that. I completed the process. That's my ball. Right.

[Host 2]

Also, chat with this hypothetical scenario that Unk just created. If he was the DB and I was a receiver, I would have scored a touchdown. That would have been a day.

[Host 1]

I ain't let you out. I ain't let you up, Ocho. And they know this. In overtime, everything is replayed. Also.

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Host 1]

Because they didn't want people challenging it. Touchdown. Somebody had to burn a challenge flag because they thought it was a touchdown or that was a fumble or that was this. They say, you know what? We're gonna let you save your challenges. The mere fact, change of possession, they, they. They replay it. I don't know why Sean McDermott burned the timeout. They replayed it. It was a turnover. All scoring and change of possession plays are automatically revealed.

[Host 2]

Yep.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

And then, and then, and then to know the rules as a head coach and still you have to excuse me. You gotta fight for your team. You got to stick up for your team. But, like, come on now. Come on, come on.

[Host 1]

You. You know, you know that once Brandon Cook goes to the ground, he was maintained possession. If he'd maintain possession, what that would have been Ocho. Mac Miller wouldn't have had the ball in your possession. And then I got it in my possession. Right.

[Host 2]

And then, you know, some people aren't even gonna listen. No, some people aren't going to listen. You know, know, the people are that are not going to listen. The people that Buffalo failed.

[Host 1]

Oh, Shadow, you just said that. You just said that because your team won. No, I'm saying that because that's the rules. I just happen to know the rules. I mean. Yeah, I mean, I wish. Look, I. And I. I get it. And, and in situations Ocho and I talk. Talk about. Talk. Talked about a little earlier is that PIs are really hard, but they become excruciatingly hard the later you get into the game because you feel like that might have influenced or have some impact on the game.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I hate that.

[Host 1]

But ask yourself, Buffalo fans, if the guy had. Did shakira like that. Would you have wanted that play call, yes or no. Yeah. How about your quarterback hold on to the football? How about your quarterback not try to throw down the scene and read the backside safety? Right. Josh Allen, I mean, for the mere fact that you was even in the game, y' all should. I mean, you play probably any other team, you. You lose it. You. You're in a situation like you're in a situation like San Fran in Seattle.

[Host 2]

Oh, game over. Game over.

[Host 1]

Four, four, five.

[Host 2]

You realize.

[Host 1]

Oh, five.

[Host 2]

Excuse me. You do realize the goddamn Seahawks capitalize.

[Host 1]

Off every last one and every last one. And the thing this game was about. Boy, this game was about to get out of hand. It was 7:3. Denver didn't do anything. They got the ball back, and they're going right back down the field. If Singleton put a hit on James Cook.

[Host 2]

Yeah, take it.

[Host 1]

I mean, he and picked him up off his feet. Huff was right there. Johnny on the spot, and they go right back down the field and they get a touchdown. But this thing was about to like. Oh, it's about to be 14 3. There are no inconsequential plays come postseason. Every play matters. Every play matters and people don't. Well, it ain't no one play because it's only. It's like four or five plays that actually determine the outcome of the game. Every time it's four or five plays. You can go back and look in the postseason is because every play is ex. It's. It's very, very important. You just track it back. We make this. We do this. But that was an interception. They reviewed it. I don't know. He talked about. Well, they should have took a little bit more time. How much time you want them to take? It does it don't. It don't change the Ocho. If they took. You know what, they just came back from the review. It was an interception. It don't matter how long it takes. It doesn't change the outcome. No.

[Host 2]

And some people. I'm. I'm reading the chat as we sitting here talking. Some people still. Still not listening. He hit the ground with the ball.

[Host 1]

I mean, like he did, but he. So let me ask you a question. If the ball put the extra question. He catches the football, he hits the ground and the ball pops out. Is that a catch? Why isn't the catch. He hit the ground with the ball. If I. I can't read the chat. But Ocho's saying. He's reading the chat. He said he hit the ground with the ball. So if he hits the ground with the ball and the ball pops out, what is that?

[Host 2]

Incomplete.

[Host 1]

Okay. Go to the ground. As the receiver, you must maintain possession of the football. He goes to the ground. He didn't maintain possession. You know why? Because McMillan took it from him. Yeah, McMillan.

[Host 2]

Simple as that.

[Host 1]

And Carl Jeffers told you it was the DB that completed the process of going to the ground and coming up with the football.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 1]

The difference is McMillan was down by contact because Cook had touched it. If not, he could have got up and ran.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I mean, it's this. And this sucks.

[Host 1]

It's like you get your girl pregnant and she wait. She wait three or four weeks to tell you. Why didn't you tell me? It wasn't gonna change anything. I'm still pregnant. So if I'd have told you on in March instead of telling you April, what would that have changed? I'm still pregnant. So if they take 30 minutes, they take 45 minutes, they take an hour to review. That call is still an interception, is still the Broncos ball, no matter what. I know, but no matter what. I get it. I get it. This was supposed to be your year. Because all the stumbling blocks, all the things that have stopped you in previous years removed, mainly Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes, those two have been removed. And now you let a second quarterback come in. And that's why I'm a firm believer in letting, Letting a coach pick his quarterback. Sean didn't want Russ. I don't believe he had to belittle Russ like he did in Detroit. And so hold on, I was talking about. All right. Not to get off track. Oh, yeah, we talked about A.J. brown. They talk about A.J. brown. Too big of a cap. Hit dead money. I said, is he more or less than what Russell Wilson was on the cap? I mean, if he ain't 85 million.

[Host 2]

I, I, I don't think people understand how this business works. I don't think they do, because the first thing they do is they. And they. NFL teams do not care about that dead cat. They don't. When things have deteriorated, the relationships, the distractions as, as they so call them, when it gets to the point to where it is now, there's no going back.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

No, there's no going back. And obviously, it's the Eagles fans. Listen, I. You love A.J. you love. You. You love what he stands for. You love what he's done for the organization. But it's tough, man. It's tough. He's not, he's not happy.

[Host 1]

No. And the report that he had requested a trade. And I don't know if that's true. Some reports could be erroneous, and some can be. Have some. There might be a little truth in it. There's a little truth even in the lie.

[Host 2]

Oh, wait. It depends who it came from. Depends where the rumor came from. And if it. If it was anonymous and someone that is somewhat of a credible source says it. It's coming from somewhere.

[Host 1]

Yes, it's coming from somewhere. They reviewed it. Oh, man. The NFL record decimal level is Arrowhead Stadium. Fans reach 142.2. Wow.

[Host 2]

I told you. I knew. I knew.

[Host 1]

It was way off.

[Host 2]

It was either Kansas City or it was Seattle. It was one or the other.

[Host 1]

That thing was like. So that's. That's 23 show.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Yeah. You.

[Host 1]

You. I mean. Oh, you did. Oh. Oh. Kansas City and Denver is the two loudest stadiums I ever played in.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And it just so happened with my home in Kansas City, we played. You know, we played there every year. Played there every year for 12 years. So I got 12 trips to. Well, I got 13 because we played them in the playoffs one year. Yeah. I only.

[Host 2]

I only had one trip. And that one trip there, I was like, I ain't never, never experienced like this. And I'm. I'm like. I'm curious. All fans, they sit in the stadium, they all scream, they all cheer, they all boo, whatever it may be. And I'm thinking, well, maybe it's the way the stadium is built. Why is it that this stadium in particular sounds so much different than everyone else?

[Host 1]

I mean, it's. I mean, it's. It's. I mean, when it's so loud and I got to. Right. And you sitting right next to me, and you can't. You can't. I can't hear what you say unless I.

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Host 1]

Yeah. That's when you know it's loud. This. It was. It was crazy, but I'm glad. Carl Shepherds and normally the referee meet with pool reporters and they ask any controversial call or what this. X, Y, and Z. And he explained it to him. Possession of the football. Receiver goes to the ground. He must maintain possession of the football throughout the entirety of the act of catching the football. He did not, and y' all know it. So hopefully Ocho and I explained that to you guys really, really well, because I don't really know what else to say. Oh. Oh. Obviously, emotions were extremely high in the Bills locker room after the game. Here's Josh Allen and Dion Dawkins after the game. Good to sit here again and have this happen. It's extremely difficult. Feel like I. Yeah, feel like I let my. Let my teammates down tonight. He said he feels like he let you guys down. How do you react when your quarterback, who's done so much for you, says that to you guys? He let us down.

[Host 2]

Thanks, Tim.

[Host 1]

Tough. And I. I love that. I love that emotion, huh? Because you know why I love it?

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Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

Because I know how much they invested into them. This is the kind of emotion that when you invest into it, your relationship is ending after 5, 10, 15 years.

[Host 2]

That's that hurt, boy.

[Host 1]

Your child is. After everything that you've done and you've invested so much, and they. They get sidetracked temporarily. That thing hurts. Yeah, I've been there, Josh. I've been to Dion, bro, don't let nobody all big grown ass, man, if I. Because everybody gonna say, man, if I'm making 40, 30, 40, 50, I don't care. Let's see.

[Host 2]

The funny thing about it is people can't see past the money. People has the money, but they don't understand all the work that you put in to be able to make that kind of money.

[Host 1]

Lot of sacrifice.

[Host 2]

Training camp all season, program hours and hours and countless hours of practice and film and studying, rehab. They don't understand everything that goes. People, fans of the game, they get to see the finished product go out there on Sundays. They don't understand the work you got to put in before Sunday gets down.

[Host 1]

Do you know, that's why.

[Host 2]

That's where the tears come.

[Host 1]

Think about how long it took them to get there.

[Host 2]

Man.

[Host 1]

I mean, from the time a lot of these guys been playing football, from the time they were 7, 8, 9 years old, this is a lifetime of devotion. This is a lifetime of dedication. And I'm so close. I can see it. I'm so close. I can see it, Ocho. And every single year, this is. And it doesn't get easier, I want you to know disappointment does not get easier. It doesn't. Even if you've had disappointment one year after the next, it doesn't get easier. It doesn't. As a matter of fact, it gets harder. Because as you suffer these disappointment, as the years go by, you realize I got less years to do this.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah. Oh, that. Hey, that window of opportunity is small, huh? That window of opportunity in the NFL in general is small. And then you have to maximize your opportunities to make the playoffs or be able to make that run at getting the Lombardi you were afforded opportunities For.

[Host 1]

A while in your career, I was very fortunate. I won three and four years.

[Host 2]

Hey, imagine being on my end.

[Host 1]

No, I don't know. Huh.

[Host 2]

You know, going. Going into each season, hoping at least just hoping to have a winning season. You got anything about. No, Lombardi. I'm trying. Can we. Can we have a winning season first?

[Host 1]

Yeah, let's win. Let's get to the playoffs, and then maybe I can shift my focus, because right now, I can't really see past that. I can't see that far down the road, Ocho. It's dark, and I ain't got no headlights on. Yeah. Hey, but the raw. Like I said, Chad. And just. I'm not just. Let's, like, remove yourself. If you've never been an athlete. Or. Or.

[Host 2]

Or.

[Host 1]

But I'm saying just imagine the thing that you poured the most into, the thing that you sacrificed the most, and it didn't go your way. Maybe you didn't get the job. Maybe you didn't get into the school that you wanted. Maybe you didn't get the grades that you wanted. Maybe you didn't get the promotion that you wanted.

[Host 2]

You know what the funny thing about it is, is everybody can be able to have a sense of how Dion Dawkins is feeling or how Josh Allen is feeling, simply because maybe if you didn't play sports, hell, it could be a relationship. You think about the years and the time you spent, you know, investing in something and not getting that return on it, and then it ending, and you're sitting there wondering, like, well, God damn, where did everything go wrong?

[Host 1]

What did I do? What could I have done differently?

[Host 2]

Better? Yeah.

[Host 1]

Yeah, because that's. That's the thing. It's the. It's the lifetime of regret that you look back at, like, what? Because nobody's gonna. Nobody remembers all the great Superman, the herculean play that Josh Allen's made. No, I don't even remember the man. I remember him. In the divisional round, he turned the ball over four times. He had gone six games. He had to turn the ball over 16 total touchdowns, zero turnovers. And then today, he had four. They had five turnovers. And for that, you have five turnovers and still had to take a field goal in overtime to beat you. Let you know you're. You're close. But close only matters if you're throwing grenades and you're slow dancing, and if there's a chaperone there, you're not gonna be able to get that close.

[Host 2]

I like that. I ain't never heard that one.

[Host 1]

It'S tough, man. I, I, I know how Josh been feeling. Good boy, I felt the same way when we lost to Jacksonville. That. Exactly, exactly. And I, I, I held it together when I was on camera, but when I got in that car.

[Host 2]

You let it out, huh?

[Host 1]

As a matter of fact, my girl, she ain't even ride home with me. I said ride home with your mom. Damn. Because I don't know. I already know I won't be together. No.

[Host 2]

Yeah, you, you won't. You ain't want to see you vulnerable, huh? It's okay. It's okay to cry.

[Host 1]

I know it is because I already know because I had put so much blame on me. I had dropped the two point conversion. I had dropped the crucial third down. I had put so much on me. Yeah. I couldn't let her see me break down because I know I was gonna break down.

[Host 2]

It's okay to be vulnerable, huh? See, I'd be, I'd be crying on the show live in front of everybody. I don't be care.

[Host 1]

That's, yeah, I'm just like. And plus, I just want, I just wanted to talk, I just wanted to talk to my brother. I just needed to hear his voice because he's that soothing, he's that calm that let me know it's okay.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And that's, that's, that's what I got. So what Josh is feeling, what Dion D. Is feeling, I felt the same thing. I was just able to keep it, I was just able to hold it together on camera. But trust me, when I got in that car. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Damn.

[Host 1]

Huh?

[Host 2]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that, man. That mean you play shitty, boy.

[Host 1]

Yeah. I caught a touchdown, Ocho. I'm feeling good. Ocho caught, put in motion. Went, went down. I was like, you know, I put a move on the mocho. If they put me in motion.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Got up the sleeve.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

Caught like a 20, 20 something yard, 27 yard touchdown. We were hyped. Go back down the field. Scored again, two point because we kicked two field goals. Then we got a touchdown and might say we got to go. We going for two. Going for two.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Oh, man, I still.

[Host 2]

Now you drop it. Are you sorry, man?

[Host 1]

What? I say the mind replays what the heart can't delete. I was heartbroken.

[Host 2]

Come on now.

[Host 1]

I replayed that over and over. I mean, I mean, think about it. I mean, I won three Super Bowl. I was a multiple time pro, all pro, Pro bowl player. I'm in the Pro Football hall of Fame. Every state that I've ever lived in, I'm in that. I'm in the Sports hall of Fame. I'm in the Division 2 Hall of Fame. In a black college hall of Fame. That play. Damn, that play. I still think about it.

[Host 2]

Hey, don't worry about it now, boy. That was a long time ago.

[Host 1]

It is. I mean, sometimes I find myself. I mean, you know, I just be. I find myself just thinking, like, damn, what if? But then I flip side to what Shannon, that was the catalyst for you guys to get. Go. Get back to back. But then I start talking to Burns. I thought, man, man, we. You know, we should have three pedded. Then all. Then all of a sudden, all those emotions that I felt so many, many years ago start coming back.

[Host 2]

Ain't back. Dang.

[Host 1]

I. And that. That's. I think that's one of my problems, because I try to be. I try to be a perfectionist. I try. I try to do every single thing right.

[Host 2]

Yes, sir.

[Host 1]

And I try to do. I try to take every step to make sure it's right and when. And when it's not.

[Host 2]

Boy, you gotta understand. But you're human, man. You human. As much as we want. Yeah. As much as we want to be perfect in all that we do.

[Host 1]

Yes, My sister tell me that all the time. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Human error is inevitable. No matter how much we try to perfect our craft or perfect the way we walk, you know, in the steps of the big man upstairs, man, we. We. We all backslide at some point. We all fall short at social.

[Host 1]

And then the thing is, I go to. I go to Baltimore, and I'm known as the Jaguar Killer. Two game winning. Tough times against them jokers. Set up another game with a field goal.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I was like, okay, okay, okay.

[Host 1]

Okay.

[Host 2]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Host 1]

Yeah, Yeah. I can claw them, give them claws. You can't do nothing. Pull the claws out of them. I declawed him. Let me stop for. You know, Peter be talking all crazy reckless. They got mad at Kim Kardashian because she went and bought some dogs and didn't go to the pound. Oo, yeah. We're gonna put this loss on Josh.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Yeah. Huh?

[Host 1]

We.

[Host 2]

We put it on every other quarterback when they lose. This is on.

[Host 1]

We gave a. A ton of credit last week against Jags. Did Wheelcho. Hey, Game a lot.

[Host 2]

Game a lot. Game a lot. The onus on that win was Josh Allen. So the onus on this loss is on Josh. Oh, he played like doodle. What? He played like doodle. I ain't talking about any kind of doodle. I'm talking about like diarrhea. Like slippery. Yeah, like, like, like messy.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Like that.

[Host 2]

Hey, tonight, bad from 17. What? You know, and I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not one to really criticize, but I've gotten better at being able to express myself when someone doesn up the par based on standards of being a MVP caliber quarterback and not having to deal with your nemesis.

[Host 1]

No, he ain't no MVP caliber quarterback. He an mvp. He got it. He got the award last year, remember? Right, Right. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Hey bro. Hey, you know who Mr. Hanky is? You don't watch South Park?

[Host 1]

Oh no.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Well, Josh Allen played like Mr. Hank tonight. I let Ash or Jordan nigga tell you who Mr. Anky is, but he play like Mr. Anky.

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[Host 2]

Good night, bro.

[Host 1]

Ocho yeah, we're gonna talk about the Texas Patriots game in a bit, but first it's time to welcome Broncos cornerback Jaquan McMillan. J. Mack. Walk us through that play. Cause I know your heart was beating fast. You let Brandon Cook kind of get behind you like, oh my goodness, we had the ball first. If they, if he catches this ball, they're at the 20 yard line, they're in field goal range considering Matt Prater kicked for almost a decade in Denver and he had just made a 50 yard field goal to send it to overtime. So you like, okay, what's going, walk us through that play. What's going through your mind? Because you look up and you see the ball take it from there.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, man, we was actually in zero. We had zero coverage. And I see Josh Adamlight pan and kind of bring to it like a 20 look, which a protection look. And I'm just thinking to my head like, oh man, like, okay, you know, they about to pick up the blitz so I kind of back up a little bit. It was like third and ten. It was like third and ten. So I'm right at the sticks. I'm playing in the sticks. I know I got two droppers at the hook, but you know, they ain't really, ain't really going to help. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 2]

Right?

[Jaquan McMillan]

So I'm playing sticks, he running and he kept going. So I just kind of gave him a little jab and running. That's how he had me by like a yard or two. You kind of, he kind of underdo it and you know, I'm just running, running and I try not to panic. Man, I didn't panic. I seen his eyes getting big and I'm like, okay, the ball is in the air. So once he starts slowing down, okay I'm like, now I'm like, okay, the ball is on the throne. So now I'm just playing through his hands. I'm just waiting on the ball to drop. So I'm, like, really having my hands, you know, through his hands. And once he had it at first coming down, and then once I got my hand on the ball, I'm following with him. And once we fell together, he lost control, and I just yanked it out of his hands.

[Host 1]

And because you, like you say, okay, I'm playing through his hands and that Ocho and I was talking about this. A receiver, sometimes they give it away. They give a tail away. A receiver with late hands is very difficult for you because he'll wait till the last second and pluck it right. Some guys can keep their eyes just, like, normal. Like, damn, when is the ball coming? And next thing you know, it's in his arm. A lot of guys can't control their eyes. It's just like, oh, my goodness. And the eyes get bigger. You're like, okay, the ball's in the air. Like you said, the ball's in the air. So now you're playing through his hands. You're like, okay, I got the ball. He got the ball. But the problem is he falls. You fall on top of him and pull it.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Did you. Did you know, did you think, like, what are they going to call? Are they going to give me the interception? Are they going to say, he's down by contact? Are they going to say, incomplete? What is your thought process? What's going through your head? Play every scenario, what you thinking?

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, man. Once I. I came up, once I had the ball in my hand, I kind of rolled on top of him. I get up and I'm holding the ball in the air, and I'm. You can see in the video, I'm looking at the back judge like, okay, what you gonna call? Once I see him doing this and point the other direction, I'm all right. I'm heading to the end zone. I'm about to celebrate. So once I see him do that, it was over with.

[Host 2]

The funny thing about it, too, is there been. There's been so much controversy about that play. A lot of people saying that obviously the Bills got hold because the play call was wrong. But obviously what happens is, is there was a smooth transition from him catching and you coming up with the ball to where the call was made the right way. Yeah, the call was made the right way. In order to have a completed catch, the person has to come down with the Ball, secure the ball, and be able to get up with said ball, and that was you who got it with the ball. So I'm not sure how the people don't understand the rules. And one of the things that. That.

[Host 1]

That.

[Host 2]

That kind of gets everybody upset is because tonight we had something very similar with Devonte Adams, and there's no consistency with plays that are like that. So I think that's where the confusion comes in, that it just. They. That the refs, they have to find some. That the competition committee, whoever it is, they need to find a way to have the calls always remain consistent based on the rules that those that have already played the game know and were able to call right away. When you got the interception, did you.

[Host 1]

J. Mac, did you. Did you know the rules that if a receiver catches the football goes to the ground, he must survive the contact from the ground and to. And possess the football? Because you survived the. You. You. He could. He caught it, you took it, survived the contact from the ground and got up with the ball. That's the way Carl Jefferson. That's where all the. The referees that have been going on shows explained it. There's like, yes, there was a transition that on the way down that the DB took the ball. He survived the contact from the ground and got up with the ball. So what we have is an interception. It can be. It can't beat any. Anything but an interception. What did. What did vj What. What advance tell you? Because I know he was like, oh, my goodness. We just went bomb bliss. We just blew it up. They Max protect, because like you said, they went 20 protection. They brought two extra guys in. So now whatever you come with, they can pick it up. They got seven protectors. Yeah, they got enough to hold it off because, you know, a you go here, you go here. They always go in bombs. In the bomb situation, they always gonna send one player deep, at least one you and you like, hold on, wait a minute. Damn, they could pick this up. Oh, Lord have mercy, Jesus. I'm out here by myself and this guy can still run. He might not run 4:3 like he did coming out, but he can still get on the board.

[Jaquan McMillan]

He was running, but BJ Came to me. We just. Man, he was just excited, man. He was like, hey, man, you made a play, which you always do, man. I always, you know, come up and the clutch time and made. I made the play, man. It was just. It was just crazy, man.

[Host 1]

But, Matt, it's. It's. People don't understand. It's a whole different Animal playing the slot as opposed. Because the slot, he can go across the field and come back out. He can start out, come back in. He can go up the scene. He can go far across, he can go sail, he can go stop. He can do so many things. And like, you're playing like you're basing it on formation down in distance or where he is on the field. So you studied the game like, okay, in this formation, this down in distance, this area of the field, he likes to run this. And so you kind of play, but you can't get too aggressive because if he options away from you.

[Host 2]

Yeah, you had a position.

[Host 1]

So.

[Host 2]

Yeah, like.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Like I said, we had two hook droppers. You can see in the video, you see Nick Bonito, he dropped. So I'm like, okay, even though we in zero, I can line up, like, head up to outside right in the slot.

[Host 1]

You.

[Jaquan McMillan]

You always. You got to pick a leverage because you two way go. You got to make sure, you know, okay, he can't come this way. And if he go this way, okay, I'm already. I'm already open to run. So that's what I was. I was head up to outside.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jaquan McMillan]

If they threw anything quick, I knew I had my help defending. Low health. Help defend on the hook. So he kept running. You know, I just played outside leverage and gave him a little jab and I just ran with him. Just ran. Like I said, he just played through his hands, man. But he was rolling, man. He was rolling. The ball was a little bit on throw. He slowed down a little bit. That kind of helped me. But he just made a play.

[Host 1]

But he showed you the ball also, Ocho and I was talking about it last night. If he lets it. If he lets that ball. Kind of like what Marvin Mims. Marvin let the ball go over. So now you gotta run through him. He opened up and allowed you.

[Jaquan McMillan]

He kind of jumped in the air. He kind of jumped in the air. So it came like. It helped me.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Yes. Because Ocho, remember we talked about a lot of times when guys jump up in the air? That's how guys punch it out. Because you got no leverage. You're not grounded.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

That's why it's so easy to get the ball out. When a guy's up in the air. You see guys try to go up over a running back or wide receiver try to go up. It's easier because they don't have no stability. They're not on the ground. And you said when he jumps up. Okay, now he ain't as Strong as he would be if he was on the ground.

[Host 2]

He was on the ground. Y.

[Host 1]

And plus, he got a. I know one thing as a. If you'll play basketball, I know the guy. He's got to bring the ball up, so he got to bring it to me. Yeah, well, he got to bring it down because he gonna try to get it to his body. That's exactly what I'm saying. You bring it to your body. Yeah, I'm gonna shoot through, and I'm gonna get it.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, that's exactly what I did. Once he came down with that mug. I'm already in. In this. In this.

[Host 1]

You in between? Yes.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, I'm already in the pocket. So he. He brought the football to me, and I just fell with him and ripped that.

[Host 2]

Now, in those pressure situations like that especially, understand, it's cover zero. You on the island all by yourself. Most of the time, the ball gotta come out short, but you got your hook. You got the hook. You got your hooks coming up, coming to help you out, right? Most of the ball. The ball got to come out fast, even though he had that step on you. And you got to play catch up. How do you stop yourself from panicking in situations like that where, you know, you beat? Because that's the hardest thing for dbs is when, you know, you got to catch up. You lose all technique, and all you're doing is just running, just going. How were you able to keep yourself in a relaxed mind state to make that play? You did make.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Just reading them. The receiver, just reading him. Once he slowed down, I knew the ball, you know, was short, so I had to adjust to that. And you can see in the video, I kind of, like, once he slowed down, I see them jumping, I kind of turn my head a little bit.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jaquan McMillan]

And got my hand up in there. But, man, it's just. It's practice. It just takes practice, you know?

[Host 2]

Receiver. And that's what.

[Jaquan McMillan]

That's how you stay calm. Just.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah. It's one. It's one thing to say it, right? It's one thing to say it, but, you know, I'm talking about games in practice. In practice, it's easy to stay calm and relaxed, but in the game time, in game time, you know, shoot, man. Well, you see it all the time, boy.

[Host 1]

Every.

[Host 2]

Every Sunday, we always. We always panic.

[Jaquan McMillan]

We always talk to, like, force the receiver to make the catch.

[Host 1]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jaquan McMillan]

Fight them all the way to the ground. That's what I'm saying. Like. Yeah, that's what I did. Just finding my way to the ground and you know, I just. The ball just so happened to be in my hand, but I was gonna get the ball out regardless.

[Host 2]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jaquan McMillan]

I was gonna get the ball out regardless.

[Host 1]

And J. Mac. But here's the difference between practice and the game, because in practice it's quiet and you hear them say, ball, ball, ball, ball. You start looking.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

You can't hear Ish in the game.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

They could be screaming, ball, ball, ball. You ain't gonna hear. You'll hear nothing. They might as well be just. Cause you don't hear a thing.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, but he's just reading. He's just, like I said, just reading.

[Host 2]

The.

[Jaquan McMillan]

The receiver, man, he's gonna. He gonna tell you when the ball is right there.

[Host 2]

And.

[Jaquan McMillan]

He jumped up in the air. He gave me all the signs that the ball was right there. So.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Did you watch it? Did you watch any of today's game between the Patriots and the Texans?

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1]

What do you see? What do you see on film? What? I mean, they got to come there. Obviously we bought. Everybody knows Bo Nicks is done for the year. You're going with your backup, Jared Stidham, who at one point in time he was a starter. He started from Patriots, started for the Raiders. So now he's been. I think he's been there for like three years. I think he's been there two or three years. So you know what you go, you know what you're going up against. You're gonna have to do what you've done all year, play to your strength. But you're gonna have to do, you know, help. Help you help your young quarterback out, man.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, they got a good quarterback, good run game they use. They roll off the. The running, play a runoff play action. Got a decent receiver core man. But I haven't watched too much. I just watched the game. So I don't really know too much about them. But from baseball I see I got a good run gamer. It's kind of helping them.

[Host 1]

You know, in the past game you like watching you. If I'm playing a team, if I know that team is on our schedule, I can't watch them on TV copy because I would get a false sense if they played bad. I was like, oh yeah, we about to run through these dudes and if they play good, I was like, oh my goodness. Lord have mercy. How we going to score on these guys? So I. I never watched it. I just wanted to, hey, just give me the cutups just give me a breakdown and I'll take it from there. So you actually watch a team that you're going to actually play. Do you, do you, do you get the TV copy to try to hear, you know, calls or anything like that cadence if you're going to come off the blitz or anything? Do you, do you watch the TV copy and try to pick up the sound? Because some guys, some defensive linemans obviously try to get the, the cadence of the quarterback.

[Jaquan McMillan]

I kind of watch the TV conference kind of like on the back end of the week, you know, I, I get my cut ups first. I watch all my cut ups first, second down early in the week and then the next day I might do the third down and do that. And then towards the later the week, closer to the game, I watch the TV copies because, you know, the commentators kind of give you a lot of information when you watch that. They do, you know what I'm saying? And you pick up on little signs based on like chicks and you hand signals and stuff like that. And you know, how is this guy, does he like to hard count, you know what I'm saying? You know, I'm reading everything his first reads, you know what I'm saying? I'm just listening to the commentary and seeing how the game flow, how they, how they, you know, the flow of the game is going. But I don't watch too much of the, the TV copy. I'm more of a cut up guy, you know, Right. Watching formations and things like that.

[Host 2]

So based on what you've seen so far, based on what you know about them, even though you haven't gotten into preparing for that game against them, is there anyone on the Patriots that you see might be able to give you fits on the opposite side of you or you feeling comfortable going to that game where it ain't nothing. I got this. I just have to be technically sound.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

And be disciplined with my eyes and I'm gonna be all right.

[Jaquan McMillan]

When I always go into the game, like, man, if I just do it, I do my job and have my eyes where it's supposed to be and play off technique, man, I feel like I just can't be beat. But that's how I feel.

[Host 2]

I like it, I like it, I like it.

[Host 1]

You guys got tomorrow if you got to go in and watch film, you got anything or you got tomorrow off.

[Jaquan McMillan]

We go in for like a team meeting, but we don't do too much. It's like a regular week now. So go in team me. And then we have Tuesday off and then we start back Wednesday, back at it.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I like it, man. Congratulations, man. I was that man. I was. I said, man, if the Broncos lose this game after getting five. After getting five turnovers, I'm gonna lose my mind. I'm a lose. I bet I was gonna lose my mind. But I Talked to Pat PS2 before the game, and I think, you know now is that there are no insignificant plays in the postseason. Every play matters in the regular season. You might can brush a playoff in the first or second quarter, but you can't do that in the. In the postseason. I give you a prime example. You. I think it was the second quarter. You remember when Coleman dropped that ball in the end zone and people said, woo. Glad he dropped it because it was a penalty, but if he catches it, you guys are going to have to. Going to have to accept the penalty. Now you give Josh Allen another crack at you. You see what he did? Oo, yeah. Now because he dropped it, we can decline the penalty instead of giving him another crack. To get seven, they had to settle for three. See, there are no insignificant plays. People like, try to. Well, you know, it really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Come postseason, every play matters. Talk to Sean, and I know Sean was. Sean told you guys, like, Sean, hey, you've been here. You know what it's like? You're like, yeah, we ready to play. We ready. And you guys, Matt, you guys got to put that away. They come out, you get the. You get the strip sack, bonito chopsy, you get the ball, you kick a field goal going into. Going it. Going into the half, they get the ball, Benito hits them in the back, you get the ball to 19. Put them away, you get a touchdown, touchdown there. You put them away.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Game over.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, that's. That's one thing about, like, NFL football, man. Like we, like you said, we got the. The force fumble right before, have three points and then come back, you know, force another fumble. And we done all this and the game still closes, like, still like. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a long game. It's a long game. NFL crazy. It's a long game, playoff game. Is the atmosphere just crazy? It's different.

[Host 1]

The, the. The.

[Jaquan McMillan]

The tempo is different.

[Host 1]

The flows.

[Jaquan McMillan]

I mean, it's a different. It's a different world.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 1]

Man, that stadium got so quiet when they took the lead. Cause they got. They got a field goal, and then they came back and they took the lead and they made it 24 to 23. That might have been the quietest I've ever heard. Mile High, because they, like, hold on. We got four turnovers. We was kicking the ish out of them the whole game.

[Host 2]

How they got the lead, that would.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Be the crazy part. Like, man, like, you would think, like, if you don't even look at the scoreboard, you're just thinking like, man, we.

[Host 1]

We.

[Jaquan McMillan]

We blowing it. We own them. Like, we own them.

[Host 2]

Dominating. Yeah. And then we.

[Host 1]

Yo, we dominate them.

[Jaquan McMillan]

And then they score one touchdown. It's like, dang, they right back in it.

[Host 1]

Right back in it. Crazy, man. Well, congratulations. That's one of the biggest plays in Bronco history in postseason play. Congratulations. Proud. I think you or Bonito gonna probably be AFC Defensive Player of the Week because Benito got two force fumbles. You gotta pick. I don't know. It's gonna be out of you and Carlton Davis, but I think one of you guys gonna probably be in the AOC Defensive Player of the Week. But congratulations, Great season thus far. Hey, I'm trying to see y', all, bro.

[Host 2]

Matt, I got a question.

[Host 1]

Go ahead, Matt.

[Host 2]

You hear me?

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, I can hear you.

[Host 2]

Hey, if I was playing today, right? Yeah. Like, hypothetically speaking, if I was playing today. Game. Yeah. You think. You think you could cover me?

[Jaquan McMillan]

Of course. 100%. 100%.

[Host 2]

No, I'm being serious. This Ocho you talking to.

[Jaquan McMillan]

I know who I'm talking to. I know exactly who I'm talking to. I know. I don't. You know, I don't watch them highlights before, you know.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

You talking to J. Mac. You're a Bronco, bro. You know what we do.

[Host 2]

I know, I know. Listen, I know you're a Bronco, but I mean. I mean, he said he can cover me. I mean, you think you can cover me right now?

[Host 1]

What? Ojo.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Of course we can line up.

[Host 1]

Got him locked up. Won't let him out whenever.

[Host 2]

We could. We. We could do something. Listen, your whole. Your whole secondary can come get this work now. Ain't nothing wrong with my feet.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Hey, we ain't ducking none. The whole secondary.

[Host 2]

All right, I'm in Miami. Come on down here.

[Host 1]

I'll be down there.

[Host 2]

I'll be down there. Real?

[Host 1]

Yeah. Fort Lauderdale.

[Host 2]

All right, Holla at me after y'. All. After y'. All.

[Host 1]

Hold that trophy up.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Yeah, I got you.

[Host 2]

Are you nervous? Huh? I can hear it in your voice.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Nervous?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jaquan McMillan]

I ain't never nervous. One thing about J. Mac. Hey, one thing about J. Mac. I don't care who I line up against.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Who? Anybody can get it.

[Host 2]

Hold on. This me. Now, this ain't. This ain't them.

[Host 1]

This is me.

[Host 2]

I understand. I'm the original talker.

[Host 1]

This me.

[Jaquan McMillan]

I know.

[Host 1]

Don't do that.

[Jaquan McMillan]

I know who you are.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jaquan McMillan]

But I'm J. Mac.

[Host 1]

Oh, damn. Bronco country.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Hey, hey.

[Host 2]

Have a good one, boy. Man, I salute you, man. I salute you.

[Jaquan McMillan]

Appreciate y'.

[Host 1]

All. Congratulations, man. Great week. Keep it going, man. Hey, one more. We. We so close. One more. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for joining us.

[Host 2]

Yes, sir. Appreciate it.

[Host 1]

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