Best of NFL News Part 1: AB ARRESTED, Sauce Trade SHOCKER, Cowboys DELUSIONAL Move!

Summary

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Club Shay Shay — "Best of NFL News Part 1: AB ARRESTED, Sauce Trade SHOCKER, Cowboys DELUSIONAL Move!"

Air date: November 8, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with guests Ocho and Joe)
Focus: Major NFL headlines and debates on the state of teams, blockbuster trades, and locker room culture

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into some of the NFL's most dramatic news: Antonio Brown's shocking arrest, the blockbuster trade sending Sauce Gardner to the Colts, and the Dallas Cowboys making unexpected roster moves despite a losing season. The panel of NFL insiders share unfiltered reactions, personal connections, and critiques of league culture and team management.

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1. Antonio Brown Arrest — Tragedy Beyond Football

Starts: 03:25

Background:

• Antonio Brown (AB), former Super Bowl champion and All-Pro wide receiver, was arrested on an attempted murder charge related to a shooting after a celebrity boxing event in Miami.

Key Discussion Points:

• Joe recounts the details: "Police said Brown was taken into custody ... in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates ... flown to Essex County, New Jersey ... pending extradition to Miami" (03:25).
• Ocho shares personal memories and heartbreak about AB, highlighting their shared history from Miami-Dade County:

  "We all trained together, me, AB, Santana Moss, Andre Johnson... Even I was a fool in a fun way, but I knew what lines not to cross." (05:05)

• Ocho expresses grief over AB’s downfall:

  "I sent her like a broken heart when I saw, you know, what happened ... This ain't got nothing to do with football." (06:47)

• They stress the importance of guidance and healthy circles:

  "Sometimes, you’ve got to have someone with the brains around you when you the golden goose ... so stuff like that doesn’t happen." (39:41)

Notable Quotes:

• “I tried to talk to him ... maybe this is something he might need. Something to bring him back home and get him back on the right track.” — Ocho (06:54)
• "It's tough to see somebody so talented fall. Sometimes you try to help, but it just goes through one ear and out the other." — Joe (11:02)

Memorable Moment:

• Ocho becomes emotional, reinforcing the brotherly bond shared among Miami receivers.

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2. Blockbuster Trade: Sauce Gardner to the Colts

Starts: 20:33

Trade Details:

• Jets trade star cornerback Sauce Gardner to the Indianapolis Colts for Adonai Mitchell, 2026 and 2027 first-round picks.
• Colts lock in Gardner on a record contract for a cornerback: 4 years, $120 million.

Analysis:

• Joe questions the Jets’ logic: “You can't justify paying a corner ... that much if you’re losing.” (20:33)
• Both hosts blame the modern impatience in the NFL and the high financial stakes:

  "There ain't no patience no more ... we want what we want because we can get it ... Amazon Prime mentality." — Joe (21:43)

• Ocho offers to mentor struggling receivers, showcasing his commitment to elevating the next generation:

  "If you’re struggling, if you’re not understanding why you’re not getting the ball ... come down here with your boy." (22:42)

Colts Future Outlook:

• Ocho sees the Colts’ aggressive moves as “all-in,” hoping their new star-studded defense can create a “no fly zone”:

  "You got Kenny Moore, Bynum, now you add Sauce Gardner ... that could almost be like a no fly zone." (27:19)

Jersey Number Scoops:

• Discussion on Sauce retaining his jersey number with the Colts and the behind-the-scenes deals:

  "If I'm Josh Downs, I ain't really doing him like that ... just off of respecting who you ... are." — Ocho (32:42)

• Light-hearted debate: Did Sauce have to pay 50k for his number? (32:29–35:08)

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3. Dallas Cowboys’ Delusional Trade — “Circling the Wagons for No Reason”

Starts: 43:44

Moves:

• Cowboys acquire Pro Bowl DT Quinnen Williams from the Jets and LB Logan Wilson from the Bengals.
• Gave up first and second round picks (and Mozzie Smith) despite a 3-5-1 record.

Pundit Reaction:

• Joe is optimistic but admits it’s desperate:

  "At this point in the season, normally a whole lot of three, five and one teams aren’t giving up first and second round picks ... it’s odd, you know, Jerry must believe." (44:44)

• Ocho outright roasts the move:

  "Those goddamn trades don’t do nothing. That ain't never decoration ... That was Jerry just wanting to be part of the circus ... Does it improve my defense? No." (46:46)

• Critique of Cowboy’s management and the burden of expensive contracts:

  "You got all this money tied up ... something gotta give." — Joe (45:29)

Delusional Fan Segment:

• Joe defends the team’s chances, Ocho and Joe mock Dallas’ slim playoff hopes (“7%!”) and insist team identity is only on offense (50:35).
• Ocho: “Your linebackers are out there like a blind dog in the meat house ... They know somebody got the ball, they just can’t see him.” (49:50)

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4. Locker Room Culture: Distractions and Accountability

Starts: 60:22

Miami Dolphins & Ravens Remove Video Games, Ping Pong:

• Ocho says, “The Ravens got Lamar Jackson. That’s the difference. Removing the ping pong table ain't changing nothing for the Dolphins—it's cultural and performative.” (60:22)
• Joe emphasizes:

  “Winning is fun; losing isn’t ... why are you having fun while we're losing?” “I did not take losing kindly ... I'd be the reason all the phones got taken out of the meeting.” (63:22, 68:25)

Notable Quote:

• “If you’re still having fun while we losing, that’s a problem. Why are you having fun while we losing?” – Joe (64:09)
• Ocho, laughing: “I’m just imagining us going in for lunch, and it ain’t no food. And the reason is ‘cause we losing!” (68:09)

Key Insight:

• They debate whether locker room distractions matter—Ocho says talent and coaching will determine results, not pool tables (62:42), while Joe wants accountability: "Starve 'em!"

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5. Money, Respect, and Locker Room Hierarchies

Sprinkled throughout, esp. 32:39–39:20

Jersey Number Economics:

• What’s the going rate for switching numbers? Ocho recalls paying $25,000 to Aaron Hernandez for #85 (34:30).

Player Conduct, Reputation, and “The Method to the Madness”:

• Ocho reflects on NFL stars who never left their old ways, drawing comparisons to Aaron Hernandez and even AB.

On Leadership:

• Ocho: “When you got the right people around you, you know you’ll be all right. That’s the most important thing.” (39:57)

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Most Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "I play a fool, but I'm not one. Yeah, there’s a reason I’m not a statistic." – Ocho (14:27)
• “I wish [AB] realized how special he was … I just wish he realized it." – Ocho (04:18)
• "[Cowboys] just have … just guys, therefore their identity is on the offensive side of the ball ... They have to play almost mistake-free football." – Ocho (50:35)
• "Winning is fun. Losing isn’t fun. If you’re still having fun while we losing, that’s a problem." – Joe (63:22)
• "You got all this money tied up ... something gotta give." – Joe (45:29)
• “Sometimes all you need is a fresh start ... At least we got a fighting chance.” – Joe (49:26)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Antonio Brown’s Arrest and Ocho’s Reaction: 03:25–16:55
• Sauce Gardner Trade Breakdown: 20:33–40:12
• Cowboys’ Delusional Trade Moves: 43:39–57:10
• Locker Room Culture and Accountability: 60:22–68:25
• Jersey Number Economics (Sauce and Ocho): 32:29–35:19

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Tone and Style

The episode is candid, funny, sometimes blunt, and always packed with football insight—from OG player wisdom to locker room jokes and hard truths about NFL business. Ocho brings infectious Miami energy and personal anecdotes, Joe offers analyst perspective, and both leave nothing unsaid about the state of NFL teams, trades, and culture.

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For fans looking to catch up on chaotic NFL news or wanting a peek backstage at the league, this is a must-listen—pure, raw, and real.

Transcript

[Ocho]

I turned off news altogether.

[Podcast Host]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Ocho]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Podcast Host]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

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Hello, it's your favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make OO cry. Oho someone you know very well. Antonio Brown was arrested on attempted murder charge stemming from a shooting after celebrity boxing event in Miami, police confirmed today. Mike Miami police said Brown was taken into custody at by the US Marshals in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. He was flown to Essex County, New Jersey where he was being held pending extradition to Miami. It was unclear why Brown was take why AB was taken to New Jersey first or how long he's been in Dubai, although he has posted several times on social media over the past few months from there. According to the arrest Warrant Detailing the May 16 shooting, AB is accused of grabbing a handgun from a security staffer after a boxing match and firing two shots at a man he had been fist fighting with earlier. The man told the investigators that one of the bullets grazed his neck. Ocho yeah. Ab arguably one of the most dominant receivers not just in his era of his time. I mean you look at from 2010 to 2018 he was a four time first team all pro, he was a seven time pro bowler and he was super bowl with the Bucks and he did. I just wish AB realized how special he was. He doesn't real he didn't realize it. Ocho Ocho that.

[Ocho]

You ain't got. Hey listen, you ain't got to tell me, you know. I know you gotta understand now we all grew up together, we all come from the same area, we all train together. I was watching AB when he when he was at Northern High School when he was in high school. Like I seen him at Central Michigan. We trained every off season together for years, years. Every off season. Me, ab, Santana Moss, Andre Johnson. I mean, it's a constant, constant to make sure that union, that union. As far as receivers that come from Dade county, we stay together and no way still on the right path. Always understanding how we got where we are, the work we put in to get to this point. Iron sharpens iron. So we made sure we all stayed aligned with each other and did everything the right way, always. I'm not sure at what point I underst. He knows he's great. We always told him he was great. I'm not sure at what point everybody else, we straight. We straight line. Even I was a fool. Even I was a fool in a fun, entertaining way. But listen, I know what lines not to cross, right? I understood what lines not to cross because there's certain bridges I didn't want to burn that I knew I would need on the back end. I don't. I tried to talk to him. I tried because, bro, I'm talking about people understanding. I sent her like a broken heart. When I saw, you know, what happened when I saw the news on Twitter and people like, why are you sending, man, it's history. This ain't got nothing to do with football.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's bigger than football. Way bigger than the Man. On a personal level, you know him as a fan. I know him on a personal level, yeah.

[Ocho]

And so it hurt to see that it's come to this point, you know, and you try to talk to individuals, but stuff like that, when it comes to someone that's grown and is able to make their own decisions, you know, you kind of let things play out for what they are, because maybe he's doing something that he feels is the right thing. Even though it may be crazy from the outside looking in, maybe there's a method to it. Madness. But when it gets to this point, God damn, not. Not my dog. You know, maybe. Maybe something like this is, in a sense, I don't know how things are going to turn out, but maybe this is something he might need. They're bringing back home, if you understand what I mean. Something to bring him back home and getting back on the. On the right track. I'm not sure what the outcome of this will be, but, I mean, man, he. You know, you know, I'm.

[Joe]

I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm here for him If. If he ever, ever needed me, you could ever reach out, you know, I'm always here, man. It. It's. It's three people. It's three people, no matter what. A.B. is one of them. Houstonizada and that damn. To. I don't. I don't care what it is, but if they ever need anything. But I wouldn't. I don't care if it was. I was on my last. You got it? I don't care. It just. I just. Oh, shit. That hurt. I just never wanted to bother him because he grown, you know, so it's. It's. You know, I. I want to stay in my place, you know, and.

[Joe]

That.

[Ocho]

Just made me sad to see somebody that special, to understand all the obstacles and the sacrifices, what you overcame to get there, to get to where you at. And then it. Just to let it go like that when. I don't know. It's crazy.

[Joe]

I don't know. Look, I. All I know is about what they said. I guess he had got into a fight with somebody. It was a celebrity boxing match. I guess he felt he was getting jumped, and he took the security guards. I. I guess from what it is. I guess he took the security guards. Firearm. I don't know. I don't. I mean, I know you think the United Emirates, but you need to go to Russia. If you were trying to get away, you need to go to Russia. You need to go to somebody with China, somebody that ain't cool with the US you see Edward Snowden?

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, you see where he's at?

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. He's still locked up all this time.

[Joe]

He ain't locked up. He. Over there. What you call him in Russia?

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. They can't. They can't extradite him? Nope. He was a spy or something like that, huh?

[Joe]

He stole all that encrypted info? Yeah, Yeah. I just, man, I mean, hopefully this all gets resolved. Look, me and. Me and AB have had our differences, but in a situation like this, I just have sympathy. I have empathy for him. We all make mistakes. We all go through things, and it's just tough. It's just tough to see somebody that was so talented, so immensely talented. Obviously, you knew him on a different level than I knew him. I just knew him on a surface level, covered him for a number of years, and to see this happen, it's just tough. It's. It's extremely tough. I just. Boy, like I said, I just.

[Ocho]

You.

[Joe]

Know, sometimes, Ocho, you. You. You know, we get to a level, we do feel like we're untouchable, invincible, like we're invincible. And. And. And I'm like, I don't know. He just. He was special. I wish he could have stayed focused, stayed in Pittsburgh, stay with Big Ben. Ain't no telling what. What kind of numbers he could have put up with Big Ben. No kind of numbers. He was. Like I said, hopefully he can. Someone that. That. That loves him and cares about him and understands him, can talk to him and. And reason with him. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard to. To reason with somebody that's unreasonable. You know, you try like, hey, man, you know, blah, and it just. Danny M. Try to hit you talking to a moo. You ever be talking to somebody you like and you know they're not listening? You know, everything that you said is going through one ear and out the other.

[Ocho]

And you know what else is hard, too? It's hard to listen to somebody when they feel exactly like you said, when they're on top of the world and they feel invincible. It's hard. Even even though that's your dog. And you notice your homeboy, you understand, he grown and, you know, he. He moving a different way than, you know, the way you move. So you. You got to respect the decision making. You know, he is grown. And then you kind of question some of the people around him, you know, like, wait a minute. That ain't what. That ain't. They ain't even. That ain't even home team. They ain't been there. Not. Not through what we. Not through what we went through to get to where we got to.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

Because if it was, they wouldn't even let you be doing the shit you doing.

[Joe]

True.

[Ocho]

But again, you know, I'm in the background and I really can't. You know, you grown, so I thought there was a method to the madness, but, man, love him to death. I don't agree with all the decisions and some of the things he does, but loving the death, because it's bigger for us. For me, it's bigger than football. That's home team. Always has been for years since. Since a baby.

[Joe]

He get it. He get it figured out, Ocho. You know, like I said, I just. I just. Like I said, I don't really know all the ins and out of. You know, the police probably took witness statements and said this is kind of what transpired in this, you know, discharging a firearm.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, they got the whole video with that. That little incident there.

[Joe]

Oh, duty.

[Ocho]

What? Oh, you ain't see that?

[Joe]

I didn't.

[Ocho]

Oh, man. They got the whole fight and everything. Clear as day. 4K.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 4K.

[Joe]

So.

[Ocho]

I mean. Yeah, man. I. I don't know, man. I. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I hope everything turned out on the up and up and. And young bull get a. Get a chance to, you know, redeem and get back on the right path. That's it.

[Joe]

You said something very interesting, Ocho. You said, you know, you didn't want to burn no bridge. Why would I destroy a bridge that I might have to cross back over on?

[Ocho]

We don't think like that all the time, though.

[Joe]

You don't.

[Ocho]

You don't think, like. Listen, I. One thing about it, I may play around a lot. You know, I might get into this. This character of being goofy here on this show, but I think long term, I think very strategically, very methodically in everything I do, everything I'm thinking down the road five, ten years from now, like, there's a reason I'm not a statistic. You're not hearing me. I play a fool, but I'm not one. Yeah, there's a reason I'm not a statistic.

[Joe]

I tell guys all the time, Ocho, I said, man, look, just try to outlook. Everything is not gonna be perfect. But, bro, when you get to these teams, just play hard, work hard, because you never know when you're gonna need to reach out or ask the team for a favor to help you to do something. I've always tried to stay in good standing with the Broncos. I've always tried to stay in good standing with the Ravens. They understand I have a job to do, and sometimes I have to critique them harshly. Yeah, they understand that. But I always tried to be a very good representative. Yeah. Especially when I played. Not to get in any trouble and, you know, be out there fighting and carrying on and acting a damn fool, you know, not mainly mainly because of Mary Porter. That was the biggest reflection on her.

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[Ocho]

But hey, hey, I had a healthy balance of both, though.

[Joe]

Yeah, I would.

[Ocho]

Listen, I'm gonna represent home team. I'm gonna represent every other. I'm gonna give you every bit of Dade County I got in me. You feel me?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

In a structured environment that is the NFL, which is all about control and refusing, you know, those to be individuals. So I'm gonna have my fun and be me. But I'm also going. I'm a teeter the line, but I'm not gonna cross it because I'm gonna need you in the long run. I understood that. Hey, listen, for the life of me, I understood it, right? So, I mean, just. Just being able to balance both. I did. I did it very well. I did it very well. I got myself into character the same way when I come on here. When I come on here man, I'm in character. I'm in character. I'm having fun. I'm, I'm entertaining and just, just, just living now when it comes, when it's time to get serious.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Oh man. Listen, I can buckle it up with the best of them.

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[Joe]

I.

[Ocho]

Turned off news altogether.

[Podcast Host]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Ocho]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Podcast Host]

We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little.

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[Joe]

The cold trade Cold trade for Sauce Gardner, the Jets get Adonna. Adonna Mitchell, 2026 second round pick. I think it's. No, it's. Oh, it's the first two first. Cuz they gave it two first. That's Quinny. A 2026 first round pick and a 2027 first round pick. So two ones and a player to get SA Gardner. In July they signed SA Gardner to the highest contract ever for deep for a cornerback. Four years. 120 million. 30.1 million per year. And they traded. What's that about though? Y' all gotta help me on this one. I think it's a combination. We're not winning. We can't justify paying a corner. That is not. They don't believe he's playing to the level that he played his first two years when he was the first team all pro. Right? And that plus we're losing. How can we justify paying that kind of money? Joe and Ocho and. And we lose it. Hey, look, sometimes it's the environment though. Y' all know this. You, you, you. Yeah, because I saw Sam Darling get up out of there and look like a. And look like a competent quarterback. He's in the MVP discussion.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. So yes, you're right. It is the environment. And it starts with unfortunately, Woody is you. I'm just saying Guys. Guys look competent and. And. And. And I think sometimes it's quick to give up. I mean, they give up on the young. Ain't no patience no more. Now we in a society now that we won't. We want what we want because we can get it. I can order something in Amazon Prime. They will get that thing today. I say, shell, I need some lotion, man. Hey, they don't took a picture and said it. Damn. That's a. That's my front door. They don't drop it off. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You want something? You want Uber Eats or grub or whatever? How they do it now? Guess what? You can get it. I ain't got to leave you. How to get everything I want right there. So that's the kind of. That's what football is. That's what football and sports have turned into. They used to give you time to develop, but the money have gotten so great big.

[Ocho]

They don't. Hey, you ain't got no time. Hey, you know, hey, Joe, what's up? I need a return on my investment expeditiously. R. They want to return, huh? Return right away. Investment right away. That. That's another reason why. This is another reason why. Especially when players get paid big for. I'm speaking for the receiver position in general, for players that are struggling, especially this year. I need y' all boys. I know y' all gonna see this. I need y' all boys to come on down here and see your boy. All I need is for a week. I need you for a week. If you want to stay longer, I can put you up. I can feed you. You know, I can give you a. A stipend. Is that what you call it? Right? No. Per diem. Per diem. I get a little per diem Stipend.

[Joe]

Per diem. Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah. So. So you'll be able to eat. But I want to help you with your craft. I want to help you. This is for all my NFL receivers. If you're struggling, if you're not understanding why you're not getting the ball, why you're not an intricate part of the offense, please, I beg of you, come on down here with your boy. Give me a week or give me a month. I just want to work on your game, you know, I want you to be able to come back and be able to make a difference, you know, so your officer coordinator didn't have to worry about you. He can put you in positions. All you got to do is let your play do the talking. But anyway, let's go back On Charles.

[Joe]

You going to send their quarterbacks down to Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

[Ocho]

No, no, but see, that's, that's the thing. Huh? That's the thing. When you get certain receivers, right? And you have a certain skill set at times, at time, because it is NFL, you would love to have a receiver, but the person playing quarterback doesn't matter because you can always get open. Because you can always get open.

[Joe]

If he can't get me the ball, what I supposed to do?

[Ocho]

Hey, listen. Well, whoever's at the helm shouldn't be. Shouldn't be. Shouldn't be quarterback.

[Joe]

Would he. Would he rather have a Sam Darnold back or JJ McCarthy?

[Ocho]

But see, when it come to Jetta, he's so calm. He's so calm when he talk, he's so politically correct. Man, talk your shit. It don't matter who playing quarterback. Call the play for me. Put me inside, put me in motion, put me on the outside, leave me there. I'm gonna get open. He's one of the few that can get open. Now, I understand what you're saying, but when you think about when DeAndre Hopkins with Houston Texans, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You think about the level of talent, the level of skill, the DNA and makeup of a Justin Jefferson. I mean, night, night and day. Nothing wrong with D hop. But I'm just saying we talk about a dude that's on a historic run.

[Joe]

So to me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Well, to me, an individual like that mesh, man, put anybody out there at quarterback, just get me the ball. Put the ball in the goddamn area. Put in the vicinity where I can reach out and touch it. I got it. Yeah, they're receiving this NFL, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah. A bad quarterback look good with good separation. If he can create good separation, there are few receivers.

[Ocho]

I'm talking about a handful.

[Joe]

Yeah, a handful.

[Ocho]

You can make bad quarterback play look good. Just put the ball in the area. That's it. I take care of the rest.

[Joe]

Yeah, you should give me the ball. Just give me the ball. Give me an opportunity that I ain't got to jump up over 7. I ain't got to drop 10ft in the air and do all that other stuff and do a pirouette to come down with the ball. Just get. Just put the ball in my hand. Give me an opportunity. If I'm going left, just leave me. Yeah. If I'm going right, just leave me. Just give. I. I just want an opportunity. But, man, you skipping the ball to me like we skipping rocks on the water at a Pond. Yeah, but that ain't. That ain't gonna work. That ain't gonna work for me. But I think that has a lot to do with it. At 1 7. At 1 in 7, Ocho. Yeah. We ain't going nowhere. Yeah, we not. And if we're not going anywhere, it's just hard to justify, you know, paying the kind of money that these guys commanding. You know what I mean? They gave. I mean, and plus Ocho, Indy blue made him an offer they couldn't refuse.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Joe]

Who won?

[Ocho]

But you know, when I think about the foreseeable future, I like what the Colts are doing because the. The coaches, man, what the hell the Colts are saying? You know what? We all in.

[Joe]

Yeah, we are all in.

[Ocho]

This is our chance. We have a chance to do it. So I don't know poker, but I understand what would put all your chips in is. And that's what. That's what the Colts are doing. We have a chance. We have opportunity. We found the quarterback. Quarterback of our future. And right now we're playing really well. We actually have a goddamn chance to compete for Lombardi, no matter what people may think in general. We just do.

[Joe]

So where does this. Where does this trade. Where does this trade put ending. Are they at the top of the food chain in.

[Ocho]

In afc? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Now, offensively, defensively, they're gonna. They become really good.

[Podcast Host]

You got.

[Ocho]

You got Kenny Moore, you got Bynum, now you add Sauce Gardner, which Davious War comes back, man, hell, that could almost be like a no fly zone now. It looks like that on paper now, can they play like that as a unit? Yeah, if they can play.

[Joe]

Huh? They got buck. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

I forgot about double double nine. He nice.

[Joe]

Hey, look, the coach locked in. They said they going for it this year. They only waiting.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, I like it.

[Joe]

Ballad, Ballad A He's like, hey, this is good. This is a good opportunity that we're gonna have. We're 72. We're sitting atop the AFC. You know, they beaten Denver, they beat Denver on a walk off. I mean, think about. They got. They got sacked six times. They had six turnovers and still only lost by seven. So now what happens if they only have three turnovers? What happens if they don't have any turnovers? They deal with the way they can run the football and the skill positions they have. Now the right tackle, Braden Smith got his ass handed to it, but the whole offensive line had. He got their ass handed to him.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because TJ Watt with to kicking Ass Highsmith was a defensive player, AFC defensive player of the week. So obviously he did his job. But from sacking him, from force fumbles, from picking him off, they, they did a hell of a job on that offense. And now what teams are going to try to do, and it's a lot easier said than done, Let us neutralize Jonathan Taylor and we're going to make Daniel Jones beat us. Yeah, that's what, that was Pittsburgh's philosophy. Stop Jonathan Taylor, make Daniel Jones beat you. Now if you can't stop JT now, they gonna play action. It's, it's gonna, it's gonna be hard to beat him. So I, I don't have a problem with what Andy did that they gave, but they gave up a steep price to get sauce. Two first rounders, Joe, and a player. Yeah, and, and, and you see, OO Mitchell really hadn't. Since he fumbled that ball at the Rams in the goal line. He had that long touchdown. Oh, and he fumbled. Remember? Yeah. Hey, I've had him in a lost and found. Hey, hey, Uncle Ocho, but they was the coats. You know, they need to help with that DB position. Right? Well, Ward, Ward was Ward within concussion protocol. He was out there warming up Joe and he, you know, he's backpedaling. He turned and run and he ran smack dab into a player in warm ups. Wow. So he was a pre game. So it wasn't warm up like we on the field and we're in our uniform. So he collided heads and he ain't got no helmet on. So he's, he's in pro, he's in protocol and we don't, they don't know when he's coming out. So now you pair him with. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you put him in sauce. Now I don't know who gonna play the slot. Maybe Bonham goes to the slot. They traded for another. They got added another player too.

[Ocho]

Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny Moore in the slot. Huh? Or, or the nickel.

[Joe]

So they, hey, they got a nice, they got. Hey. And they got Frank Z. Franklin. They got, they got, they got a nice squad.

[Ocho]

A matter of fact, you know what? It's, it's so funny. We understand who's making the calls over there with the coast now.

[Joe]

Ballard.

[Ocho]

Yeah, well, I, I think Jerry need to take some notes because I, I see somebody that's doing a much better job than he is. How would you. What you say about that, Joe?

[Joe]

Hey, you gotta chill, man.

[Ocho]

No, I'm not chilling. I'm just Saying? I'm. I'm just saying we were seeing someone. We're seeing someone, you know? You know, rest in peace to the great Mr. Ursay and someone actually taking over and. And doing what AGM is supposed to do, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's just me. I'm just saying. I mean, you see the daughter now, huh?

[Joe]

The daughters run the team now. Yeah. You see, they stay out the way they say. Hey, you do what you do. I'm just gonna stay. I'm gonna stay down here. I'm have my headset on. I'm gonna. I want. I want to know. I just want to know when I hear a play and it don't go right, who effed up? Was it the quarterback? Was it offensive line? Did the receiver not run the right route? Did the black. Was the back supposed to pick up? I just need to know. Ocho, what's that? No, that game. That game is at mt.

[Ocho]

Oh, it is?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe]

They play. Y' all play them on the 14th in Cincinnati.

[Ocho]

Oh, November. Damn. We playing back to back.

[Joe]

Oh, oh, yo. December.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe]

How the hell you gonna play them on the 14th and play them on the 27th? You play them on the 27th of November, and then you play them on the 14th.

[Ocho]

December. Yeah, I was just looking at the schedule too.

[Joe]

You take ass whipping on both of them, but don't worry about it. Oh, Joe. Joe. I was. After the coast acquired Sauce Gardener, the team announced that Gardner would continue to wear his number one. With his new teams were number two. His brother Caleb plays for Ohio State. He also wears that number. The wide receiver said it was just a little small bit of negotiating between the sides. The jersey number. Handoff. Yeah. Just a little friendly transaction. Man down. Said new teammate wanted to make it easy on him. We appreciate him being here. I know he's been number one, and I know that number means a lot. Ocho Joe, how much do you think Sauce had to play to get that number?

[Ocho]

I mean, hey, hey, hey, for one, Joe, I mean, listen, we talk about Sauce Garden, huh? You hear me? We talk about a number that resonates with the individual with the New York Jets.

[Joe]

50K at least. Nah, he ain't have 50k at least.

[Ocho]

Nah. Nah, listen, if I'm Josh Downs, I ain't. I ain't really doing him like that. I'm not doing. Just off of respecting who you. You know, you. You that boy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

This ain't no just know anybody now. If it just know, it's a regular 50k. Okay, now we talking.

[Joe]

You think. Y' all think. Hold on.

[Ocho]

Yeah, 50k with 8. With the kind of money we making, Joe, the kind of money we making, it's okay. 50k bad. Hey, you hear me? Hit. 50k ain't bad. That's a good number. Now, that I could go with that 50k.

[Joe]

That's a lot, man. Listen, I know. No, listen, I know cats in the NBA, man, who. Who had. Who, you know, exchange numbers, and they may pay like 10, 15k, but it wasn't no 25.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, it's coming up. Oh, yeah, that's a good number, Joe.

[Joe]

We gotta. Hey, we gotta get Sauce on here to see and see what that transaction was. I don't think he paid no 50k now. Hey, he don't want a number, then.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

In the NFL, the way it works now, if you change numbers and you don't give the NFL a whole off season to get all that, because they'll start.

[Ocho]

You got to pay for everything.

[Joe]

You have to pay for all the number ones that got your name on the back of them. That's in. That's been printed. Yeah, but what if Downs was just being a great teammate? Yeah, he took. He probably. He took a little. You know, he took. He took a payment from him, but maybe he just wanted to give sauce that 50k. That's being a great teammate. If I have an. It cost you 150.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm gonna ask him. Hey, hey, hey. I'm. I'm. I'm curious. That's. That's a good question. Especially today. Today's day and age. When I think about the 50k, I remember, hell, when I went to. When I went to the goddamn patriots to get 85, I had to pay Aaron Hernandez.

[Joe]

What? You pay?

[Ocho]

I had to Pay. Oh, number 25. It was number 25,000. You know, that was.

[Joe]

Think about how long ago that's being. Joe. Yeah, that was. Oh. Oh, that was. That was 15 years ago, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And hey, everybody, what I'm saying is Aaron Hernandez probably. He probably wanted. He probably wanted his paper. I'm saying Downs was probably willing to give up that one to go to two.

[Ocho]

Depending on who it is. Depending on who it is. It's a respect thing. Oh, this sauce. I know the number one resonates with everything he's about based on who he is and all that, but this is by business.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's.

[Ocho]

It's the NFL. It's my business. I need me some money. I got to make Something off of this, you know? So I knew Josh down probably. I'd say maybe 50, I bet.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, that's. Man, let me been in Atlanta, had that number two. Hey, hey, yo, you want that number two?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, you know. Hey, Joe, man, I saw this. What you call them? I like, man, they got this, what they call it, that, that. That pickup, that Ford pickup, that Shelby. Yeah, yeah, that's Shelby. Hey, they got one up there. They're going to get that Shelby for your boy. The one with the black with the gray stripe down the middle.

[Ocho]

Joe, man, are you talking about, like from the movie going to 60 seconds?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, but it's a. It's a pickup truck.

[Ocho]

Oh, oh, oh, a truck. Okay, my bad.

[Joe]

You talking about. Yeah, well, they got a Shelby, but that was. Eleanor, that must.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Shelby. Cow. Rest his soul. Cow. Shelby. Those cars you talk about three, five, seven million dollars.

[Ocho]

Wait, what?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, come on. Shelby. Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

Rewind for me real quick and give me a better understanding. How's the car? What is what for? 60s. 1960.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

What year?

[Joe]

Yeah, 60s.

[Ocho]

How can a car in the 60s, made in the 60s now be worth five or seven million dollars?

[Joe]

Restored? They ain't made no more of them. Some of them. Some of them best if they left alone in the. Because those cars were made for racing.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe]

So think about it, Ocho. The thing is, anytime they're not making more or something, it's really valuable. That's why the Mona Lisa is so valuable. So that's why those original Declaration of independence that Mr. Earth say of trust is getting ready to sell. He has an original copy of the Declaration of Independence. Damn. They have like 200 of them. Original, Original. He got one of the original copies of. Not a copy. The original copies.

[Ocho]

Hey, what's he got?

[Joe]

Prince guitar. He got Grateful Dead. He got Jimi Hendrick. He got Eric Clapton.

[Ocho]

Hold on. He got a Jimi Hendrix guitar? And they gonna sell it?

[Joe]

Yeah, they sell a lot of that stuff. Yeah, yeah. Boy, they're gonna give pretty. A pretty penny for that. That was. That was his passion, collecting. Okay.

[Ocho]

Right. Okay, so let.

[Joe]

And he. That was that. And that's what he said. He's like, look, I understand. It's only here because I'm here. When I'm gone, let somebody else enjoy it.

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[Joe]

So, yeah, I totally get that, but I get it. Look, look, that one, I mean, it wouldn't even look right. Sauce being in another number.

[Ocho]

Nah, it would. It wouldn't. It wouldn't it just. Other players can leave team and change numbers and you don't blink eye. You don't bat eye.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

A player like Lamar. Yeah.

[Joe]

He can't be number eight.

[Ocho]

A Jamar Chase, a sauce. I mean, where the number is, is. Is a representative of who they are. And when you see that number, that's what you think about.

[Joe]

Yeah. You see the Broncos, did they. They talked to the Tripuka family. They took 18 out. 18. Nobody wore number 18. Right. That's what Peyton like. Yes. I mean, can you imagine Peyton Manning in another number that's not 18? Yeah, it wouldn't see Tom Brady in another number that's not 12?

[Ocho]

It wouldn't make sense.

[Joe]

No, I. I can't. So can you.

[Ocho]

Matter of fact. Hey, Joe, can you imagine oo sink on another number that wasn't a 5?

[Joe]

Nah, I can't. I can't imagine.

[Ocho]

It just don't. It just don't make no sense.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, you can't be oo SEO if you got on 83. Oho trace. So you had. You had to get. You had to get that o jokes. Hey, hey, hey. Oo they'll get you because you pay top dollar for that 85. I.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, listen. Aaron Hernandez, when I. When I got New England, he showed love. You know, he showed love and say, normally, if it wasn't you, you know, I'mma hit you across the head. But because of you and he.

[Joe]

That literally, too, though.

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[Joe]

He meant that literally, too, though.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But see, I mean, if. If you.

[Joe]

If you.

[Ocho]

If you see y'. All. Y' all not. Y' all not want to s. But if you. If you knew him. If you knew him and how he was moving, like, stuff like that just doesn't occur because you're in the NFL. That's stuff that's been.

[Joe]

Oh, he been that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's. That's old.

[Joe]

A lot of people try to. A lot of people try to get away from there. Nah, he ran back to it. But let me take that back. He never left it.

[Ocho]

Right. See, and that. That's the problem. That's where most of the time you got to have someone else with the brains around you when you. The golden goose and the golden goose rather. Rather try to stay to being real, someone else has to step in. Nah, man, you good.

[Joe]

We don't need you to be real.

[Ocho]

You. You done with this lifestyle, you know? But hey, hey, it takes a village, Junk. It takes a village. And you got when you got the right people around you, you know you'll be all right. That's the most important thing, having the right people around you so stuff like that doesn't happen.

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[Ocho]

Turned off news altogether.

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I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Joe]

Yep.

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We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

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[Ocho]

Man.

[Joe]

Joe, talk to me. What squad show Wish you could have joined us on Monday night. Got the brakes beat off them at home. Televised again. But Jerry Jones kept this big trade promise, acquiring Pro bowl defensive tackles Quinn and Williams from the jets and linebacker Logan Wilson from the Bengals. Jazz gave up a 2027 first round pick, a 2022, 2026 second round pick, and defensive tackle Mozzie Smith. The jets acquired Williams. Dallas also acquired Logan Wilson from the Bengals in exchange for a seventh round pick. How much better did the Cowboys get Ocho and Joe with those additions Quinn and Williams and Logan Wilson? Hey, I think we got better. I mean, we, we've been struggling on the defensive side. I'll show y'.

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[Joe]

And hey, you have to bring that up neither. What happened on Monday night, we could have left that alone, you understand? But I'm on here repping tonight. You know, I, I got my, my cowboy starter jacket on. Hey, we got a new start, baby.

[Ocho]

We.

[Joe]

It's time for us to, you know, buckle down and see what we can do in the second half of the season. I'm excited about the new additions, man. Let's, let's see if we can stream some wins together. I don't think that's like, that's probably not likely, but I understand. Look, I mean, not, not a whole lot of teams if you're three, five and one Joe, at this point in the season. Normally a whole lot of three, five and one teams aren't giving up first and second round picks they're trying to unload, they're not trying to acquire. And so it's odd, you know, Jerry must believe I'm completely. I guess that means that he doesn't believe in Mozzie Smith. Mozzie Smith was a former first round draft pick. Jerry doing all the picking. You know, Jerry say, can't nobody do a better job than him. Well, I mean, y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Joe]

Y' all understand that. Y' all know he. He running. He running that ship over there. He gonna run it how he wanted to be, right? Yeah. You already know. They have a 7% chance, Joe, of reaching the playoffs. According to ESPN Power Football Power Index, Quinny Williams, four years, 96 million that he signed in 2023, with a total of 66 million guaranteed. The contract runs through 2027. The Cowboys are now responsible for the remaining payments after they're acquiring him. The problem is he really doesn't have a whole lot of guaranteed money on that contract. So you know what that means, Joe? What's that? You don't want another contract. Hey, look, now, you got Quinny Williams on the. On the books. 20 million. You got Kenny Clark on the contract. 20 million. You got a Dicky Zoo on the contract. 20 million. You got a cornerback on the contract. 23 million. You got another DB, Ocho. Uh, uh, uh, Diggs, 19 million. You got that 60 million. CD Lamb, 34 million. You got George Pickens gonna want 34, 35 million dollars. And you just signed those two offensive linemen. Hey, Ocho, something gotta give.

[Ocho]

Something is gonna give. Them goddamn. Them goddamn trades. Don't do nothing. That ain't never decoration. Listen, come on, Joe. Don't, don't. Don't play like that. That was Jerry. That would Jerry just want to be a part of the circus where everybody else making moves. Well, let me make some move, too. Does it improve my defense in any way? No. No disrespect to Logan Wilson, but you're coming from a Bengal team that was ranked 32nd and going to a Cowboy team that's worked 30 work. Ranked 31st.

[Joe]

Correct.

[Ocho]

Wasn't playing the Bengals, but you're going to go to the goddamn Cowboys and make a goddamn difference. The likelihood of that happening, probably absolutely goddamn not. You got Kenny Clark, you got goddamn Quinn and Williams, but you let Michael Parsons go.

[Joe]

Who can.

[Ocho]

Who is an impact player on your goddamn defense? Oh, you need to stop the run. We also need to goddamn sack the quarterback. You need to put pressure on the quarterback. Everybody's going to Be able to throw the ball on you. We in a passing league, you need it. You need a defensive end on the outside to be able to get to the quarterback stopping the run. Eh, you got Kenny Clark. Everybody's still been running on you, haven't they, huh?

[Joe]

Whoa.

[Ocho]

Everybody now. Now, you got.

[Joe]

You got.

[Ocho]

You got Quinn and Williams. It is supposed to be that much of a difference? Is it supposed to be that much of a difference? You will. You will absolutely see. Probably not, but what the Cowboys need to do. If I'm dak. I'm calling the players only beating only for the offense. Only for the offense. And I'm gonna let them know. Hey, listen, in order for us to win. In order for us to win, in order for us to compete week in, week out, we. We have to raise our level of play. We can't have no mistakes. George Pickens, I need you to play all hell out. Ceedee Lamb, I need you to play all out. Jake Ferguson, don't fumble the ball, brother Williams, hold on to the ball. Because we don't have the type of defense where we can overcome turnovers in games. I need y' all boys locked in. We 3 and 5 with a 7% chance to make the goddamn playoffs. I think we can do it. This is just me. This is just me hypothetically being Dakota. Listen, man, they ain't. They ain't doing nothing on. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you. Hey, you about delusional as all the goddamn.

[Joe]

Ocho, Ocho. Ocho, He a fan, so you expect delusion. Slow down, slow down, Turbo. Slow down, slow down. Listen, sometimes. Sometimes all you need is a fresh start, man. Look, at least we got a chance to even make the playoffs, all right? You know, we got a fighting chance. Joe, let me give you. Joe, let me give you. Let me give you your next. Your next six games. Oh, I seen it. At the Raiders, Eagles at home. Kansas City at home. At Lions, Vikings at home, Chargers at home.

[Ocho]

Joe, what you think about that, Joe?

[Joe]

Hey, that's a tough slate. That's a tough slate. But listen, I think we can handle it, man. I think we can handle it. Hey, look, one game at a time, Uncle Ocho. Y' all looking. Y' all looking, man.

[Ocho]

We ain't.

[Joe]

We can't. We got. That's why y' all got to be 3, 5 and 1, losing one game at a time. Y' all didn't lose. Hey, Ocho, they didn't lose all five of them at once. One game at a time. Hey, look. Hey, look, I know Uncle's feeling good on Monday. I'm glad I wasn't over here with y'. All. That was embarrassing. Oh, my. Hey, hey, look, you could just. You could just see it that. I mean, your best corner got cooked. Yeah, I mean, he got cooked. That's your best corner. That is your best. That is your best defense. As a matter of fact, all things being equal, he's supposed to be your best defensive player because guess what? He's the only player on your defense that's been to the Pro Bowl. So what's he supposed to be, Ocho, your best player you got rid of. Micah Diggs is out. He's supposed to be your best player. Your linebacker. Your linebackers are terrible. Be out there like a blind dog in the meath. Hey, running around, they know somebody got the ball. They just can't see him. Exactly.

[Ocho]

Hey, Uncle Joe. I mean, both of y' all know about fashion. And you know when you put your clothes on, you always got to have a statement piece. When you have a goddamn defense, you always have to have a statement piece. Most of the time, your statement piece. You want to be a defensive end, and you want to be. Excuse me. You want to be a defensive end, you want to be somebody on the back end. There has to be a statement piece in either. At the third level, the first level, at the second level, ah, it's a toss up. You don't have to be a superstar. Unless. Unless you. Unless you're goddamn Fred Warner. Unless you're Fred Warner, you know, but the Cowboys have nothing of that magnitude, Nothing, nothing on that defense that can change and impact the game at all. They just have. I mean no disrespect, just guys, they just have. Therefore. Therefore, their identity. Their identity is on the offensive side of the ball. And everybody on the offensive side of the ball has to bring that. You know what? Up a notch. They have to. In order. In order to dig themselves out this hole, they have to damn near play almost mistake free football.

[Joe]

True. Can't turn it over. They do.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

Hell no. No, not when your defense is that bad. We saw Cincinnati. They had two receivers over 100 yards. Quarterback that got 470 yards, he got four touchdowns. But do you turn it over? Because your defense can't stop anybody, so you turn it over. You take points off the board, you might as well put three to seven on the board for them because your defense can't stop them, right? Cause, hey, Cincinnati ain't even got a chance.

[Ocho]

I mean, wait, we got the same chance y' all got.

[Joe]

What you talking about y' all got the same chances.

[Ocho]

We got the exact same chance. Y' all got the exact same one. And listen, for us, it's our offense. It's the same conversation. If Dak was to call the player, only meeting for the offense. Joe Flacco can go have that same conversation over here with us.

[Joe]

I'm so. Y' all can't stop nobody.

[Ocho]

But, but Joe, we scoring. 30, 38, 40 a game.

[Joe]

All right, y', all, y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Joe]

Y' all putting them up, but the team's out playing scoring 45, 50 at night.

[Ocho]

That wasn't necessary. I didn't need you to bring that part up. I'm just telling you what we doing.

[Joe]

I'm just. I'm just reiterating. Does he realize that y'. All, Y' all like y' all talking to each y' all neighbors, y'? All. 31, 31, the other 32, y'. All. Literally. I don't know why Joe. I don't know why Joe think he hides the diddy. Ocho, it's all good.

[Ocho]

It's all good.

[Joe]

132. But look, this is J. I, I don't know. Having played in the league, haven't been around the league, I can't honestly say. I don't know if I've ever seen a team that's this deep into the season, that's only won three games, that gives up a first round draft pick. Normally you're unloading those guys, Ocho, trying to get capital in so you can build like. We're not one player away. Jerry said we're not one player away. Yeah, but you trade a first round draft pick on it. Hey, if you're. Let's just say you're seven, two and one. Let's just say you're eight and two. Let's just say you're six. Three and one. Okay, I can kind of see that you're right there. You. You leading your division, bro. How under. What scenario would you give up at 3. 3 and at 3, 5 and 1, would you give up a first round, a second round pick next year and a first round pick in 27? Because we. Hey, we live. We. We living in the now. We can't. We don't know what that's gonna look like. Y' all suck right now. Yeah, but I'm saying we need help right now. We need help right now.

[Ocho]

But listen, the help you bringing in ain't gonna make a difference. The help you bring it in ain't gonna move the needle. It's not going to do anything for you. It's like a class project, right? You see everybody else, everybody else helping with the class project, everybody putting a, putting their two cents and being a part of the project. And Jerry just so, Jerry just there for the extra credit. You know what? I'm gonna just go ahead and make some moves just to do what I do, what I always do, keep the fans excited. Yeah, that's, that's getting people something to talk about. Come on, Joe, you know that.

[Joe]

Ocho. The same say we ain't got no, we ain't going no damn playoffs. Rasheed. Hey, we love to have you. Hey, we're gonna try to get draft capital. Offensive lineman. We love to have you. You saw what the Jazz did. They traded their two best players.

[Ocho]

I, I don't.

[Joe]

Yeah, we ain't going nowhere. Oh, why am I paying Oo, Joe. I'm not. Hey, we're not going anywhere, right? We got two guys that's eating up 50 plus million dollars and we're going nowhere. You know what, Let me go ahead, right. It's like a car. I got this car that's valuable. I ain't going to drive it, I ain't going nowhere and somebody gonna offer me top dollar for it. Come on.

[Ocho]

Again. And listen, not only do they offer top dollar, what I, what I don't like and don't understand is, is how you, you, you pay a player in the offseason, the kind of money they pay Sauce Gardner. Right. As, as, as, as highly viewed as he is, I know he's had some struggles, you know, you know, so far obviously, with me believing that defensive back obviously is, is equivalent to playing quarterback in NFL being the most difficult. Probably, probably a little.

[Joe]

They're the most athletic guys.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, yeah, most definitely. But obviously having to deal with these receivers running at you full speed, these elite fast receivers, it could be very difficult at times. So they're going to be ups and downs. But to let a player of that caliber go. And I just talked to you, you know, Uncle Joe, about having a statement piece, something that you can build around, something that you can lean on that can actually impact and change the defense. And I see Sauce in that light in a sense like, like the, the past certains. Not, not different, different types of players. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Yeah. You do realize you live in a shack and you got a 30,000. A 30, a $30,000 dealer.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I know. Because you, because you wanted seven, you want to upload. But, but, but I just. At least I want to be able to compete. At least I want to be. Be able to give myself a chance like with the, with the jets did today was like, you know, forget it. But we won in seven. We one and eight, whatever it may be. You know what? We getting rid of everything. We having a yard sale. We letting our. We letting our biggest pride possessions go, you know, and hoping, you know, for the unknown. I don't want.

[Joe]

I don't.

[Ocho]

I don't want to deal with the unknown. I don't want to deal with the unknown.

[Joe]

How many. Let me ask you a question. With those two players they gave up, how many games did they win this year?

[Ocho]

1.

[Joe]

Let me ask you a question. Last year with those same two players, how many games did they win?

[Ocho]

You know what? That's a good question. They. They weren't very good last year either.

[Joe]

Quinnie Williams been an all Pro. Sauce Garden his first two years. He was an all Pro.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

There has been very many corners that's come in the league. You go back and study the history of corners. I'm talking about all these corners that's in the Pro Football hall of Fame. They've been very few that's come in the league in the first two years, been first team all Pro.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

Right. Not only was he first team all Pro, he was defensive play. He was a defensive rookie of the year. How many times they've been in the playoffs, Ocho, with those two guys, Pro bowl players, defensive player of the year, all Pro players. How many playoff appearance they got with.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they ain't got nothing. They ain't got none.

[Joe]

So with that being said, I can miss the playoffs and not have to pay 60, 70 million dollars.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you're right.

[Joe]

They're gonna say, you know what? Oo and you know this, Joe. We rebuilding. We rebuilding. We ain't. Right now, we're not good enough to compete.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

So you know what it. We don't really want to trade songs. Y' all gonna give us two first rounders, so if. If it takes two first rounders to get Sauce Gardner. Well, you won't. Miles Garrett, you got to give up four first rounders.

[Ocho]

Three.

[Joe]

I'm just saying, Ocho, Sauce Gardner went for two. For two first rounders and a player. Yeah, that man right there, Miles Garrett, is a defensive player of the year candidate every effing year. Yeah, he's gonna get a. He's gonna have another year with at least 14 sacks. What you've done for the last five.

[Ocho]

Six years, it's crazy work.

[Joe]

Like I said, if I Miles, and I know Miles is loyal. Mile, you got your money, man. Say, bro, you want to go somewhere and get traded? Quinny will I. I commend Quinny Quinn and say, man, I. It losing just. It just. It just comes, man. Yeah. He said, hey, the money. Yeah, I'm getting paid, but I'm a competitor, man.

[Ocho]

You ain't got to tell me, uncle. I had to deal with that for years. Huh? Hey, listen, hey, I had to deal with that for you.

[Joe]

I take it off for yo Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe. I had to deal with it for years. I think I've had maybe what, maybe one, one, one or two winning seasons. So to be able to deal with that, you know, I had to make it fun, Joe. I had to make it fun to come to work. I had to make Sundays fun. I had to give the fans a reason or the people watching a reason to. Why would we even tune into them? Well, hell, I got to see what this. I got to see what this f to do today. Hey, Joe, Joe, I was gonna do something. I had to make that environment fun for everyone else.

[Joe]

No, you need to make it fun for you. You gotta. You go home and think about, man, what am I if I score a touchdown this week?

[Ocho]

What about, hey, but aren't we losing?

[Joe]

But I'm saying, you know, that was fun for you to give the people something to come that they came to pay good money to see. Yeah, yeah, they could, man, what Ocho gonna do, man, I know Ocho go act a food bad. Please, Ocho get in the end zone so he could act a fool. That's what they hoping. Yeah, man, that's what I want to see. We not gonna win. Hey, we ain't win. But I tell you what, I receive it entertaining. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. The Dolphins seem to have followed Lamar Jackson's lead in removing video games from the locker room, according to multiple reports. A poppy shot. Damn, that's my favorite game. Was President is no longer at the team facility. As well as pingpong tables and video games. At least we not forget the dramatic saga regarding the state of the Miami ping Pong situation in 2022. The table was first removed, then replaced, and then removed again. Center Aaron Brewer, another team captain, chimed in and added, it's not like everybody's in the locker room doing it all day. Oh, Cho, is there a difference between the Raven situation and the Dolphin situation?

[Ocho]

There's a complete difference. The Ravens got Lamar Jackson. The Ravens have Lamar Jackson. That's the difference? You know, you removing the table, ping pong table, pool table, any goddamn table outside of the Dolphin locker room ain't changing nothing. No, that. That's. It's a cultural. It's a cultural issue in general. Had nothing to do with no goddamn Papa Shot or Pop Tart or any of that. Come on, man. Yeah, man, Listen, listen, listen. All they doing is they being performative. Now, that's Days of our Lives. That's Young and the Restless type shit. They over there doing that like, come on, man. Who y' all fooling, man? Come on. Now removing it for what? Now the Ravens, who actually have a chance because 8 is back. If 8 say, listen, we need to lock in, and this is what I need us to do to make sure we take care of our business each and every Sunday, especially when we come out this by. This is what we need to do, and so be it. When they came out the bat, what they look like against the Dolphins? All right, come on. The Dolphins doing that when they have no chance, they fourth in the AFC East. Like, come on. What are we talking about? We being performative? Yeah, that's a Broadway show. Come on, man. Stop playing. That's my team.

[Joe]

But the difference is eight put his name on it. They saying the Dolphins, they just removed it. Who had it removed? Was it McDaniels? Was it. Well, who. Who was. Stephen Ross said, get those out of here. Who did that? Lamar Jackson? Yeah, I told him. Say, hey. I went to him and said, look, ping pong table, blah, blah, blah. Everything else. Hey, hell, I'm thinking about getting the WI fi out here. You don't need no WI fi. You in the building. Hey.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, now. Hey, n. Now, see that? Hey, that's going a little too far right there.

[Joe]

Hey, you in the building. You don't need no WI fi. You. Hey, you operate. You operate just fine without it. You in the building.

[Ocho]

Hey, that WI fi would hurt, though.

[Joe]

But, yeah, I. I think the thing is, is that, you know, just. Oh, it's a copycat league. I mean, hey, you try to. Hey, you see somebody having success doing something one way, guess what? Boom.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what? Honestly, the success ain't got nothing to do with that papa shot. No, the success comes with executing your offense. That's all. That's all it is. The. The. The. The. The success comes with making the tackles. Yes, man, I'm just spe. I'm just speaking on my dolphin because I've been watching them. It's been a abysmal year for us.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Quarterback. Quarterback play. Inconsistency at receiver, defense at the bottom. At the bottom of the league, and damn near every category statistically. I mean, that ain't got nothing to do with no damn papa shot.

[Joe]

The thing is, Ocho, you gotta. You just gotta own it, though. You put your name on it, you tag it to say, I did it, and that's the end of it. But I don't think. I don't think it's gonna have the same impact. No teams I've been on. Look, Mike, bro, winning is fun. Losing isn't fun. So if you're still having fun while we losing, that's a problem. Why are you having fun while we losing? Oh, we got poppy shot. Oh, we got a ping pong. Oh, we got pool. We got video game. We'll get it out here. Because I want you to be miserable. I've all. I've always been a sore loser, Ocho. I've always. When I lost, I don't want to talk. Hey, what. What we. What we kiki kiing about, Ocho? What we laughing about?

[Ocho]

Ain't nothing to laugh about.

[Joe]

Hell, ain't nothing funny. So I. I never. I never had a problem. I'd be like. All the time, like. I sure wish Mike cut out this food. I'll show we. I wish we didn't have no food. I've over. Hey. Cause I be wanting people to. Hey, oh, yeah. I'll be wanting people to feel like I feel. I'm miserable. I want everybody to feel like I feel.

[Ocho]

Not the food.

[Joe]

Huh. Man, why you. I'm like, why we.

[Ocho]

Why we eat?

[Joe]

It ain't like it is now, Ocho, because, you know, now the training tables, you get what you want. You want. You want a certain type of fish ain't nice pescatarian. I mean, they. They. Hey, turkey bacon. Turkey sausage, chicken. Bacon, chicken, sausage. You want pancakes, you want waffles, you want whatever they do all of that. We have it like that. But I'm just saying, like, nah, hell nah. Take that food out of here.

[Ocho]

What do you want everybody to starve up?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Bring your own food. That man feed. Hey, man, feeding us and giving us that bad. Please. I.

[NBC News Announcer]

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[Joe]

Yeah, Jacksonville. Oh, yo, I don't. No, I'm. I'm cool. I'm cool. Like I said, Dan did that, man. We lost. I don't know how many games in a row we lost.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. Hey. I'm still. I'm still. I'm still stuck on that because y' all losing. You Want everybody to be miserable. So do away with the food.

[Joe]

Yeah. Don't eat no game, no food. You want your food? Go get in your car. Get in your car and drive up there and get fast food or whatever you want to eat. But I ain't feeding you. I, I, I, I ain't feeding you. Hell no. Hey, hey. That's why I say I'm. No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not it. Look, I, I like to think I was a really good teammate. I worked hard, I tried to be encouraging as possible, but I did not take. I did not take losing kindly. I did not take guys bull driving kindly. So I'm one of those guys. Hey, a lot of times they asked me say, you know, they might ask me what I thought. I like, you don't want to know what I think. I say, hey, I ain't got. I ain't got nothing. I ain't got nothing to say. I just keep it moving. No, hold on.

[Ocho]

I'm thinking about actually taking the food.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, for sure. No, you ain't getting no food.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

I can understand you and the bill. Hey. Oh, I was. Hey, man, you let me come in that locker room. Let me look. You don't lost a couple of games and somebody in there shooting. Poppy shot. Man, please.

[Ocho]

What.

[Joe]

Bad. Oo, man, please. They. They up laughing, talking loud. Hey, if we bought a. And you next to me. Clean your damn lock up too, while you at it.

[Ocho]

I'm just imagining us going in for lunch and it ain't no food.

[Joe]

Ain't none.

[Ocho]

And the reason ain't no food because we losing.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Hey, what are raised hell in that goddamn locker room, boy.

[Joe]

Raise hell on the field like you mad now. Get mad on the field with that kicking our ass. Get mad at them like you bad you ain't got no food in this cafeteria. Please, Bad. I work too hard. I push too much time in here to come out there and bull drive around and everybody kiki ki. They ain't no Ocho. I was the reason. Them phones on the wall, I was the reason. Oh, no. Every time. Every time I come in there. Ocho. Hey, we get a meeting. We get a meeting. All the phones take every. All the phones taking Ocho. Oh, hey, I want. Who you talking to? If you don't say your mama Click. Who you talking to Click? Who you talking to Click? That's why. See, now you wonder. You wonder why you ain't playing this, why you're not playing this right here. Soon you get a Break. Instead of getting in your playbook, you run your ass and jump on the phone. Hey, what's up, girl? What you doing? She know what you doing. Your funky ass at work.

[NBC News Announcer]

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[Ocho]

Oh, hell no, man.

[Joe]

Like I said, man, I. I did, I didn't do. I. I win. I didn't do. Well, I might, you know, I got a lot of. I got a lot of butt whippings because I would, I didn't like to win. My brother would beat me and I'd take the ball. I throw it in the hog pen, I throw it in the woods. He come in the house. Granny Shannon threw that ball in. In the pen with the hogs?

[Ocho]

Hell no.

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