Best of NFL News Part 1: Browns START Sheduer Sanders, Ja'Marr Chase suspended

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Best of NFL News Part 1

Date: November 22, 2025
Podcast: Club Shay Shay (iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)
Host & Guests: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad "Ocho" Johnson, Joe

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Episode Overview

This episode is a "best of" segment focusing on recent and significant NFL news. Shannon Sharpe, Ocho, and Joe dig into the Cleveland Browns' quarterback history, Shedeur Sanders making his starting debut, the Ja’Marr Chase suspension controversy, quarterback drama with Justin Fields and the Jets, and frustrations building in struggling franchises. The tone is candid, energetic, and blends deep sports analysis with storytelling and signature humor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Cleveland Browns' Quarterback Woes

[03:31–06:58]

• Historic Losing Streak: The Browns have gone 0-17 with quarterbacks in their first NFL start since rejoining the league in 1999.
  • "That's crazy work... they've had some success, but it was short lived... Still in search of one that they can call their franchise quarterback." (Joe, 04:41)
• Organizational Instability:
  • Endless QB carousel, coaching changes, lack of offensive stability described as a cycle of "turmoil."
  • "You can't cheat chemistry and continuity, man." (Ocho, 06:34)

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2. Shedeur Sanders' NFL Starting Debut with Browns

[06:58–15:04]

• Big Opportunity: Shedeur Sanders, son of Deion Sanders, is set to start. Panel sees this as a chance to end the Browns’ first-start curse.
  • "He waited a long time. What, 12 weeks to get his opportunity?" (Ocho, 12:52)
• Keys for Success:
  • Offensive line must block Raiders’ pass rush, especially Maxx Crosby ("block 98"), and provide Shedeur time.
  • Calls for a balanced offense that protects the QB, uses quick routes, and builds Sanders' confidence.
• Shedeur’s Own Words:
  • "I'm truly excited for [first team reps]... seeing how that come in and out of route... just having a feeling. I'm more of a field type of a person, so that's how I learn." (Ocho, 13:29 quoting Shedeur)
• Expectations: The group predicts a noticeable shift in offensive play-calling and hopes for a confidence-building performance.

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3. The Experience of a First Start

[15:21–20:24]

• Sharpe and Ocho recount their own rookie debut stories—highlighting the nerves, surprise success, and the lasting confidence it provides.
  • "All you need, especially when you young like that, is to see those type of performances, just to let you know... I can do it right here." (Ocho & Joe, 17:01)
• Memorable stories include touchdowns on Pro Bowlers (Sharpe), rookie-year awe, and the thrill of proving yourself.
• Hilarious side stories about old-school cell phone bills and team travel add to the nostalgia.

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4. Ja'Marr Chase Suspension Controversy

[40:23–45:03]

• Details: Chase suspended for one game—costing over $500,000—for allegedly spitting on Jalen Ramsey.
  • "If he was going to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spit in his face and not on the jersey, the ground…But you did spit on the man and it's gonna cost you, but you'll learn from it." (Ocho & Joe, 40:56–43:04)
• Surprise and Character Evaluation:
  • "There was never any indication. He's so laid back…he's not one of these high strung guys." (Ocho, 44:04)
  • They distinguish the act from Chase’s usual quiet, hardworking demeanor.
• Takeaway: Emphasize that a bad moment shouldn’t define a player, but the "best apology is changed behavior."

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5. Justin Fields Benched by the Jets

[53:15–56:21]

• Justin Fields struggles: Benched after ineffective performances despite a lucrative contract.
  • "Does this benching suggest that the Justin Fields experiment is officially over?" (Ocho, 53:46)
  • "Yes, and I hate that for young bull. It puts the Jets in the same position…in search of quarterback number one." (Joe, 53:50)
• Critique of the Jets:
  • Chronic instability at the quarterback position since Joe Namath, organizational dysfunction, and tough expectations make it a graveyard for QBs.
  • "I really was pulling for Justin Fields and hoping this would be his season...it just hasn't panned out or worked out." (Joe, 53:59)
• Tyrod Taylor steps in: Veteran will start next game.

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6. NFL Team Frustrations & the Culture of Losing

[57:22–63:01]

• Franchise Dysfunction:
  • Titans’ defensive leader Jeffrey Simmons vents about lack of "complimentary football" and team underperformance.
    • "We need to be better. We can't keep sugarcoating...it's about complimentary football." (Jeffrey Simmons, 57:22)
• Historical Woes:
  • Sharpe & Ocho reminisce on teams like Bengals, Browns, Colts, and Patriots experiencing back-to-back No. 1 picks, underlining the long road for franchises to build winning cultures.
  • "And that's where you got to have real strong leadership. Because when one side is pulling their weight and the other side ain't...frustration start to bubble." (Ocho, 62:46)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Browns’ Bad Luck:
  • "You ain't just finna keep trying quarterbacks out there year after year and think you gonna win." (Ocho, 05:41)
• On Shedeur’s Debut:
  • "If you go out there and mess it up, you know all the excuses are out the window. You had a week to prepare." (Joe, 07:35)
• On Ja’Marr Chase’s Character:
  • "He's so laid back. He's not one of these high strung guys...that's why it's so surprising." (Ocho, 44:04)
• On NFL’s Unmatched Popularity:
  • "But don't nothing move the needle in North America, like NFL football. Two reasons, fantasy and sports betting." (Ocho, 33:28)
• On the Rookie Experience:
  • "As a rookie, man, you play so hard, bro...I couldn't really sleep as a rookie. Like, I used to be so geek for the moment." (Ocho, 25:56)
• On Losing Culture:
  • "Tennessee, you gotta have some real, real, real, real strong leadership." (Ocho, 63:00)

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Timestamps for Noteworthy Segments

• Browns QB failures & organizational issues: 03:31–06:58
• Shedeur Sanders' opportunity & expectations: 06:58–15:04
• Panel's personal first start tales: 15:21–20:24
• Ja'Marr Chase suspension controversy: 40:23–45:03
• Justin Fields' Jets benching & QB woes: 53:15–56:21
• Titans’ Jeffrey Simmons vents; Bad franchise cycles: 57:22–63:01

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Additional Insights & Stories

• NFL games’ immense viewership, fans’ passion, and the impact of fantasy/betting.
• Laugh-out-loud cellphone nostalgia and sports travel tales:
  • Old phone bill horror stories: "My cell phone bill, probably $700...back then, they charge you by the minute." (Ocho, 28:07)
• Event culture: Kentucky Derby, Daytona 500, US Open — panel dreams of "Nightcap on the road."
• Fun side stories: buying horses for kids, the culture of rural Miami, and growing up around football and sports legends.

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

High-energy, locker-room banter with plenty of laughs, real talk, and hard truths about the business and heartbreak of professional football. The show blends in-depth NFL analysis with nostalgic personal stories, letting listeners feel like part of the conversation—insightful whether you’re a diehard fan or just love sports culture.

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Transcript

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

It's your favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're going to make OO cry. The Browns quarterback. Wow. The Browns quarterbacks are 0 and 17 in their first career starts since the team rejoined the NFL. This goes back to 1999. Let that sink in. A quarterback has never won their first NFL start in Cleveland going back to 1999. So basically that's 27 years.

[Joe]

Hey, that's. That's crazy work.

[Ocho]

Look at, look at these names. From Tim Couch to Spurgeon Wynn to Tom Brady. Still mad about that spurgeon win. Luke McCown, Charlie Fry, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Wheaton, Fat Lewis, Johnny Manziel, Connor shaw, Cody Kessler, DeShawn Kaiser, Kevin Hogan, Baker Mayfield, Dorian Thompson, Robinson and Dylan Gabriel.

[Joe]

Hey, that.

[Ocho]

That, that's crazy. Oh, hey.

[Joe]

I think that's why maybe it just. Maybe they just have bad luck in general. Maybe just organizational bad luck because to, to not have had a quarterback. To have. I mean, they've had some success, but it was short lived. It was short lived that they're still in search of one that they can call their franchise quarterback. And that's why they were so, so eager to do what they did with Deshaun Watson. Because look at what they had to deal with for so long. This is what they've had to deal with for so long. That's why they, they were willing to throw whatever it was at Deshaun Watson because he understood the success that he had before, you know, those issues arose. And even after they rose, we still see the problem because we know what we getting.

[Ocho]

You see the problem? Dojo and Ocho. Look at, look at the years. 99. They had us. They had what? Had a starter. 2,000. They had a different starter. Oh, four. A different starter. Oh.

[Joe]

Five.

[Ocho]

A different starter. Oh.

[Joe]

Six.

[Ocho]

A different starter. Oh. Eight. A different. You see a reoccurring theme, Ocho?

[Joe]

Yeah, man.

[Ocho]

Joe. You see the reoccurring theme? Yeah. No continuity. Yeah. You ain't just finna keep trying quarterbacks out there year after year and think you gonna win. Look at that. Think about it. 12 different quarterback, 14 different quarterback 14 different quarterback. I mean, some of these in the same season. 16 Cody Kessler. 17 Deshaun Kaiser. 17 Kevin Hogan. 18, Baker Mayfield.

[Joe]

Hey, also not crazy. And you know what else, too? Joe and Unk. Not only different quarterbacks, different head coaches, different officer coordinators, different plays. Having to continuously learn something new or learn a new system and not getting, like un said, any continuity, you know, as. As offense, this is what happens. This is what happens. It's always something new. So no one's ever to get acclimated and comfortable to one thing. And this is what it will always look like. Turmoil.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, I agree. You. You can't cheat chemistry and continuity, man. You can't cheat that. You know what I mean? If you're coming in every year with a different quarterback or a different oc, a different head coach. I mean, different system. Yeah, it's. It's a different system. So it's hard to catch rhythm and time and, you know, that. That stuff takes a while, but I can see why they know why ain't no quarterback no one, no game one. That's crazy.

[Joe]

Yeah. Well, I know one thing. Shador, he gets a chance to start. This is the opportunity he's been waiting on. You know, there's no. There's no more.

[Ocho]

And he couldn't pick the better team to start again.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Listen, you have a chance to make history. You have a chance to make history and. And change the narrative, you know, and if things go well. Yeah, gonna be good. If things don't go well, we gonna let it be known. We gonna be. I'm. Especially me. I've gotten really good at this, Uncle Joe. I've gotten really good at being critical when things. When people. When people aren't playing well.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got. We gotta call. We gotta talk about what we see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I'm not sugarcoating. Well, if you go out there. If you go out there and it up, you know, all the excuses are out the window. You had a week to prepare. You had a week to get acclimated.

[Ocho]

With the offense, and you got. And you playing against the Raiders.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Just block 98 if y' all make a mistake. Block 98.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, matter of fact, you can. You can double and cheat. You could scheme him all game. You could scheme a way to stop 98 all game. Chip him, double him, do whatever you need to do to give Shador time to be able to do what he does best. Throw the ball. Shouldn't be no goddamn excuses because, boy.

[Ocho]

They throw him in against The Ravens, them boys fighting for their lives over there. Well, I think the thing is. And plus, he gets an opportunity. I think the biggest thing. Joe and Nocho, he gives us an opportunity to work with those guys so he'll understand how they get in and out of breaks, and he understand, you know, the. The.

[Joe]

The.

[Ocho]

The tempo and the speed in which they run their routes, because that's something that you can't. You need to be in there to see. Because one guy, he might takes a while. He might not get his head around. OO was a guy that got his head around real quick.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

So, you know, hey, I could put this ball out there before he come out his break. I know it soon. Ocho snapping his head around. Yes, sir. Other guys like, bro, the ball will hit you inside your damn head if you don't get your head around. Now you got to get in and out of those breaks. And I thought he threw the ball with some time and, yeah, he missed some throws. There was a couple of shallow crosses that he probably should have took, but he's a guy that wants to push the ball down the field. Yeah. Their problem was they were unwilling to take chances. Gabriel was unwilling to take chances and push the ball down the field. It's hard for you to methodically. 3 yards here, 2 yards there, 5 yards here, 5 yards, 1 yard. It's hard to methodically go down the field and win games without at some point in time taking a chance to put the ball down the field. It's just. It's just hard to just do that. Every single down in and down out. They got to have some consistency. Obviously, they can't fall behind and take their new. And take the running game completely away. But as long as they can keep the game, I'm able to run some. I can play action off of that. OO give them some stuff where I get down flat. Hey, I get a flat route, I get an over route, I get a comeback. Give him stuff like that. Stuff that's gonna allow him to get the ball out of his hands real quick at times. And there are other times that you're gonna have to call plays specifically so he can push the ball down the field. Right. And I think they'll have some success. Look, what's it called? Might have another four or five sack game. Miles. Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett. That officer line. Did you see the office line? You see what the Cowboys do? The Cowboys ain't got two players combined that's good as Miles Garrett, let alone one.

[Joe]

Yeah, you right.

[Ocho]

And he ate So I mean, Quinny Williams had a sack and a half, Odiggy Zua had two. I mean Kenny Clark, everybody, everybody was getting it on action. Yeah, Kenny Clark, just imagine.

[Joe]

Hey, you know what? And if you think about it, as good as the, the defense is, this just might be the game. This just might be the game. With that, with that, that 0 and 17 losing streak for quarterback starting in their first time, it might be snap the other. There's a good chance that if he protects the ball and knowing the defense, the defense will get the ball back for him many of times on Sunday. It's a good chance. Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

The defense should create some great field position for it.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Because Gino is prime Gino lately. I mean, Gino is really high up on turning the ball over. Now, I don't know if he's leading the league in obsession, but he damn close put it like this. I don't know if he leading the room O Joe, but he at the table where the guy that's leading an interception, Gino at the table having a conversation with him. You know, I'm right behind you. I'm probably gonna tie you up this week, so don't get too comfortable having that lead. Yeah, Shouldor just needs to be Shador. Like I said, get the ball out of your hands and don't take. Listen Shador, I understand like, you know, you looking to make the big play, but it's okay to throw the ball out of bounds. You're not going to outrun. You weren't blessed with your dad's speed. He weren't so that bellying back. You're not going to outrun these DNS. You're not, you're not. All you're going to do if you're in field goal range, you're going to take your team out of field goal range, make it manageable. Let it. If you take a sack, take a sack on second down, Ocho. Now you put yourself further behind the sticks on third downs. Yeah, they need to stay in front of the sticks. And that's the thing that you want like young quarterbacks, Joe. You want them to stay in front of the sticks. You want it second and five, second and six, you want it 31 to three, 30 at the bare maximum, third and five, you start getting third, eight to 10, 12, 13. You asking for trouble.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I believe in him, man. I think he gonna do. I think he's gonna do pretty well this weekend considering, you know, with him having a week with the ones, right? The number ones. He hadn't done that all year, so. And I think he just, he's just a young, confident dude, bro. I feel like he, he knows this is his moment, and I feel like he gonna step up and shine.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

He waited, he waited a long time. What, 12 weeks to get his opportunity. It didn't seem like it was going to come. Yeah, but you know, hey, now the opportunity is here. Yeah. My brother said, hey, man, I ain't getting no run, man. They ain't give his eye. John Elway gonna call your number now.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Just make sure when he call your number, you pick the phone up.

[Joe]

You ready?

[Ocho]

You go.

[Joe]

You ready?

[Ocho]

You go. Okay. It took him 12 weeks for him to call his line, call his number. Shador, answer the phone. Yeah, answer the phone.

[Joe]

That's gonna be a good one.

[Ocho]

Shador spoke about getting first team reps. I'm truly excited for that, knowing that I have a piece of the offense to say so and how things fit my eye in place and the players exactly where they need to be. Seeing how that come in and out of route, seeing the structure of the old lineman, seeing their set, just having a feeling. I'm more of a field type of a person, so that's how I learn. That's how I do everything. I'm not just a. I'mma watch it. It's just going to happen. No, I got to be out there, feel it. I got to move around. I like so many details that it takes for me to feel my best and play my best. I'm doing everything in my power, and this team's doing everything in their power to help me get prepared. Yeah. Oo.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

What, what you think the stat, what you think his stat's gonna be?

[Joe]

You know what I, I, I, I don't want to say. I don't want to jinx it. I don't want to jinx it.

[Ocho]

I just know you don't want to jinx it.

[Joe]

Yeah, I don't want to jinx it. I just know that Sasky understands what Shador strengths are going to be. He going to, he going to understand what Shador does well. So the game plan going to that game is going to be dedicated and geared towards what he's able to do. Well, for one, that's getting the ball down the goddamn field, having a healthy balance of being able to run the ball. So play action works as well. When they do want to throw.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And make sure they do. They cannot under any circumstances be one dimensional. They can't be one dimensional. So a healthy balance of the run, a healthy balance of the pass. And once that young bull get in the rhythm and get any kind of confidence, Joe, man, I think.

[Ocho]

I think that comes with the prep, you know, throughout the week.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, especially with the ones getting that. Getting that under your belt, that's going to create a lot of confidence for that young boy, man. Yeah. You know, going into the game and I think that's gonna help him, Uncle Noo.

[Joe]

Yeah. And the play go. The play call is gonna look completely different because you got a quarterback that can do something different that couldn't. Gonna look completely different.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oo you remember, Joe, you remember your first start? Oo, what you remember about your first start?

[Joe]

San Diego Chargers. San Diego Chargers. In. In San Diego, obviously, when they had the baseball field. Rodney.

[Ocho]

Rodney, yeah.

[Joe]

Yep. Rodney Harrison Jr. Seow. Ryan McNeil who. Who went to the. Mike. Went to, um. Played defensive back.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Went to the U. Yep.

[Joe]

I scored my first touchdown or Ryan McNeil in the corner of the end zone. And the scar is still there because I landed on the. On. I don't. I don't know if it was third base or a home plate. And skinned up the infield. Yeah, infield and skinned up. My whole. My whole arm is still there. It's still there. That's how deep. That's how deep that cherry was. Yeah, that was dope. That was my first. That was my first start.

[Ocho]

Joe, you remember your first start? Yeah, my first start was obviously it was my rookie year. It was second game of the season, Uncle Ocho. I was playing behind Eric Williams, who was a small forward for the Boston Celtics at the time. Yeah, well, he had. He injured his knee in the first game. So second game of the season, coach was like, we gonna start you at the two. It was against the Milwaukee Bucks with Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, big dog. Oh, man, I came out there and had a time. You hear me? I put about 23.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Young rookie. I wasn't. I wasn't 20 years old out there, man. Out there getting to it. You hear me? Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

You dropped a little 20 for a little easy 20 piece on him. What? Hey, look. See, all you need, especially when you young like that, is to see those type of performances, just to let you know.

[Joe]

Okay, yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

I can do it right here.

[Ocho]

I can do this.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. And next thing you know, boy, you be putting on a show for real.

[Joe]

I like it.

[Ocho]

Man. I just kept saying, man. Man, they need to put me in. They need to put me. I'll be Saying, okay, Joe, man, he put me in. I can make some plays. I can make some plays.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Lo and behold, they put you in. We getting ready to play the Chiefs. We getting ready to play the Chiefs. Hey, the Chiefs got Albert Lewis. They got Kevin Ross. They got Daron Cherry. They got Martin Bayless. They got Neil Smith, Derek Thomas.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Big Joe Phillips. Oh, man, they got Percy Snow. Yeah. I say, Dan Salamua Ocho. Yeah. I say. I say, put me in. Not against them. Let me somebody that ain't them. They got. They got like the number one, number two defense, football. So I'm like, yeah, we go, we gonna put you. We go, we're gonna start you and we gonna put you in. I said, oh, okay. I said, so, you know, I'm like, so what I'm gonna do? So they say, hey, we want you to line up outside. Yeah. And we get into the. We get into like five inch inside, the five of the inside. We gonna throw you a fade. I like, Albert Lewis went to the Pro Bowl. Kevin Ross went to the Pro Bowl. So you mean to tell me y' all gonna put a rookie in and say, go run a fade on one of them? Yeah, yeah. Just jump up over the top of him. Y' all say that like that's easy, Like.

[Joe]

Yeah, hold on.

[Ocho]

What happened? I ain't know no better. I was like, oh, oh, Joe. So I. Hey, I told my brother, but your boy gonna get in the game. They gotta play for your boy. What it called? Hey, they say jump ball. Jump on. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay, Joe. I get out there. They call it rock. Cause he has. He was compact, but he was strong. He got his hands on you. You call hell getting off him.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But anyway, they didn't. They didn't expect me to shake him like I did.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because they thought it was going to be physical. And so this throw. Jump ball, Joe. How about I beat him off the ball clean? I said, okay, he gonna lay it on the top. I would catch that.

[Joe]

Got him.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he back showed it. Oh. So I really had to jump up over the top of. To get it. Did you get it? I got it. Oh, you caught it. I got it. I caught it. Yeah. Hey, hey. I walk into. Oh, oh, Joe. I walk into the line. I said, lord, if you help me catch this ball, you ain't gotta let me catch no more. My whole career, I don't make promise. Hey, hey, listen. Hey, hey. Cause ain't nothing. I caught it, though. I caught it. I caught it. Ocho. Yeah. And from that, that gave me the confidence because I beat a Pro Bowler. Yes. For my very first touchdown. So that gave me the confidence that I belong.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And I'm like. And I remember getting back and I remember going to the side because everybody, everybody came like, man, make a good job. Good. That's where they make a play. And seven. John told me, say, see, that's like you. Yeah, you can do that. I can do that. Yeah, I can do that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm him. Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, that's me. Wow. I don't know why y' all surprised. I'm surprised too. Hey, I tried to play it cool. Yeah. Hey, I was so good. It's eight. Get in there for. They throw me a short cross. Guy hit me in the back. I fumble it. I know, I know. I can't have no prosperity. I was gonna be able to have no prosperity. But then. Doug. Here we have the Limu emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us. Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings Fairy underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Co. Affiliates excludes Massachusetts.

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[Joe]

I turned off news altogether.

[Ocho]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

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It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

They put me back in. They put me back in. Hey, you just got to hold on to the ball. They go, it's gonna happen quick.

[Joe]

Oh yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, I run now I run a goal ball against cover too. Yeah, man, I'm talking about like soon as the ball hit my hands, you got hit me in the back. I held on to it though.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

I held on to it though. Oh, Joe.

[Joe]

Okay, okay.

[Ocho]

I had the ball and threw a. Yeah, that was, that was like, man, I, I really, I really and, and come to find out, I go back and listen to the, the TV version of it. Yeah. And they, and the, the announcer said coach Re is really high on this kid. Think this kid has a lot of potential. Yeah. Like he tell me that. Oh, I got potential.

[Joe]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay.

[Joe]

Hey, one thing, hey Joe, I mean Joe and Unc and those in the chat that have played sports. One thing about it, when you're not sure yourself, you know, and even if you are confident and you go out there and you perform well and whatever it is that you do Whatever. Whatever your respective craft may be, and you. You make a play or you do something good, and then you. You do it again, and you start to build that confidence. Once you got confidence, it's a rap. It's a rap from that point on, and you just stack them one on top of another. And at some point, it just becomes. It becomes natural. It becomes consistent.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Hey, look, as a rookie, man, you play so hard, bro. I'm talking about so hard. Because, listen, I just remember being out there on the court thinking, like, man, I'm out here with. Playing against Michael Jordan, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter. I'm playing with Antoine Walker, Paul Pierce. Like, I remember being in so much of awe that I was like, I'm telling y', all, bro, I couldn't really sleep as a rookie. Like, I used to be so geek for the moment. Like, I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. So you just wanted to play hard as crap? Cause I never wanted coach to have a reason to take me out the game. I don't care what it was. I was out there playing hard as. I don't know, trying to get as many deflections as I can. Hands everywhere. I ain't lying.

[Joe]

Ah, that's funny.

[Ocho]

Hey, it's just like when you see. Man, I remember the first time we played in Denver was a preseason game. We played the 49ers. Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, John, all them just. I'm like, damn, I'm really on the field. I'm really in the NFL. That's. Damn, that's Jerry. I'm looking at Jerry like, that's Joe Montana. Yeah, that running lot. Yeah. Like, I caught a touchdown in the preseason, Ocho. And then hit the hammer on them. Hold on.

[Joe]

You were dancing in the preseason in the.

[Ocho]

Boy, look at here. I'm from an hbcu. I just caught a touchdown on the defending super bowl championship. Hey, I was going crazy. Yeah, man, I was, man. I was. And it was televised. It was a Monday night game. It was televised, Ocho. Yeah. No, they saw me. Everybody in Savannah State. They. Why? No, they watching. My hometown Glenville. They watch it. I already know, man. That shook me. I told y'. All. I know. Sharp, man. I told y'. All Sharp like that, man. I mean, I was so happy. My cell phone bill, probably 700. Cause, you know, back then, cell phone bill, they charge you about a minute. It was like $3aminute, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Like three, $4aminute. I mean, a phone bill hey, quick high. That one had that big old brick too. I don't know why I had a brick pro. I was a seventh round draft pick making 64, 000. I got a cell phone bill.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, the Motorola. The Motorola 888-something- know you talk about.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that big brick. Yeah, they had the big brick now. They had the one that you had. You had the pouch. You had to care. You had to carry like a house with it. Yeah, yeah, that. You carry it on your person. You can. Yeah, yeah. And then they came with the portable. What's up, Joe? What was it? Was it. Was it free on the weekends? Could you call? That came later. At first it wasn't like that. You had to pay and it was all like, if you go out of the area, it was Roman.

[Joe]

Charges.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, man, the Roman charges. Man, that thing be about.

[Joe]

It'd be crazy.

[Ocho]

I ain't no.

[Joe]

Hey, let me tell you.

[Ocho]

I didn't know nothing about the Roman chart. I just. Hey, they didn't explain it to you back then, Ocho. They don't explain it to you now that this is what you get. And if you go over your data, you gotta pay extra. They didn't explain it phone. This is what it calls. Blah, blah, blah. I ain't gonna know about Roman. I ain't know. If you go out of thing. Roman was extra like $6. You get a call, I'm big balling Ocho. I'm taking my phone on the road.

[Joe]

You got money?

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[Joe]

Hey, listen, I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. What service provider money. Yeah, I forgot what service provider I was with Joe and Unc. But I understood what I was with too. I. I had him explain to me about the minutes. And they said we, if. If you use a certain amount of minutes and you hold on to it, you don't use your phone that much this month, the minutes gonna roll over.

[Ocho]

And they roll over, roll over to the next month. I say, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So I'm gonna make sure I don't go over a certain amount of minutes. So I got a little bit extra going to the next month. Joe, boy. Hey, them was some days back then, boy.

[Ocho]

Boy, them some days it don't work like that. You better burn through the minute so quick. Quick, man, what? You burn through the minute so quick. And then once they brought that weekend that after what, after 7:00'? Clock? Yeah, and weekend free. Hey, I call. Hey, I call y' all at 705 during the day on the phone, on.

[Joe]

The phone all night long.

[Ocho]

Hey, I call you when it's free. And then the weekend. Oh, you burn that thing up. Hey, today get hot on the side of you. Oh, yeah, you got.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, hold on. And Joe. Hey, Joe don't have no girlfriend, though. On the weekend.

[Ocho]

Y' all be on the phone.

[Joe]

You be on the phone all day, all night.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

You wake up, the phone's sitting on your chest. Hello? Are you.

[Ocho]

You still there?

[Joe]

Yeah, boy. Hey, it was some days. Hey, Joe. I know you did.

[Ocho]

Come on now.

[Joe]

Hey, on the phone all night long and don't be talking about nothing.

[Ocho]

Ain't talking about nothing.

[Joe]

Six, seven hours straight, man.

[Ocho]

They made the phone, the spoons got smaller, and they had a little clip that you have on your. On your side like that startech. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And the sidekick, too. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, man. Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, them some good memories.

[Ocho]

Let me ask you this, Joe and Ocho, which game do you think will have the most views? Browns, Raiders or Eagles? Cowboys.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Ocho]

Raiders.

[Joe]

Probably the Browns Raiders. I mean, there's a lot of people.

[Ocho]

Man, it's a lot of people looking forward to seeing shadow play. Yeah, they are. It's in the early window. So they're not going head to head. They're not really going head to head.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Because of the football Fox. The Fox game, the Cowboys Eagles, I.

[Joe]

Think, if I'm not mistaken, is that 425.

[Ocho]

425, right. And so what you call is in that. That 105 window. Yeah.

[Joe]

So all. All.

[Ocho]

All the Cowboys, man. Hey, did you see all those cowboy fans Monday night at that stadium? O. Did you see all those cowboy fans? I flew out. We flew out. Jordan and I flew out on Tuesday morning.

[Joe]

Uhhuh.

[Ocho]

Joe Ocho, I was like, hold on. They fans weren't going to Dallas. They flying to Atlanta. So I can just imagine the people going back to Dallas. I can imagine the people going elsewhere. Cause there was so many cowboy fans in that. In that airport. So many cowboy fans. I'm talking about cowboy hats, cowboy boots, that jersey. CD jersey. I'm like, oh, my goodness. Yeah, people traveling, man.

[Joe]

They travel.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, the Steelers love the Cowboys. Hey, the Steelers, they're both in the lake. Oh, actually, they both. They moved them. The Colts chief is in the early window, so the Colts chief is the one o' clock game. And now the. The Browns Raiders and the Cowboys Eagle are both in the same. In the same 425 window. Oh, it's gonna be interesting.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I still. I still think the Browns and Raiders gonna have the Most views. And the way they do that, see, you can't get what you call them. Like. Like sometimes you can have. They have. Okay, you can watch this game. This game, this game, this game. They're not gonna do it with these two games.

[Joe]

You gotta pick one.

[Ocho]

You gotta pick one. Hey, look, why it's so hard to watch the game now, man? You got to download eight apps. You sure do. Yeah. God, guess what, Joe. Hey, guess what? When that new contract come up, you're gonna have to download some more. Yeah.

[Joe]

But that's how they get their money.

[Ocho]

Netflix going to want a package. That's how they get it. That. That's how these franchise. You see all these franchises, how they skyrocket in prices. I mean, Broncos owner just. He. He just bought the Broncos for four and a half million. Now, they were 6.8 billion. In five, six years, they've increased $2.3 billion. The Cowboys worth what, 11, 12, 13 billion. Jerry bought it for 130, 540 million. Hey, that's why. Because the revenue there's not. Look, there are a lot of sports they like. There's baseball, there's basketball. But don't nothing move the needle in North America, like. Like NFL football. Naftal loves some football, especially two reasons, fantasy and sports betting. Cause you watch it intently. Are they gonna cover Ocho and then now the prop bets. Man, sometimes you don't even care about the game. I just want to see a CD get six catches. I didn't want to see a CD get 75 yards. I want to see what chase, man. Hey, that's why I had. That's what I care about. I don't care. I'm trying to get these props. Hey, look, Uncle Ojo, that's why I have to stop betting. I can't watch the game in peace because I got. I got my. I'm trying to hit. I'm like, man. And look, it seem like when you watching it intensely like that, right? You ain't never gonna hit. But boy, let you mess around, make a bed, and you end up falling asleep or something, boy, you'd be right.

[Joe]

On the number every time.

[Ocho]

I had to stop watching. That's how they do when you play it. When you play the cash three of the cat. Hey, I know you happy. Happy about what? I know you happy. I know you know. Your birthday came. I said, what? What birthday that was. My sister called me. Yeah, I know you had. Probably had it. I said, had what? Your birthday. I said, huh? My birthday hit 0626. Cash 4. You know what I'm saying? I had a straight. A straight box. Yeah. Look cool. A little cool. 12,500. 12,500 I hit. Yeah. Did the cash.

[Joe]

3.

[Ocho]

My aunt's birthday. 7 11. Yeah, I played it. I had it 10 times straight it came. That's 5,000. They tried to run it back past me, Joe, the next day. Cause I played it that evening on Sunday and I played it again. Broke off. You know what, y' all folks like y' all slick. Y' all gonna try to run it back again. Hey, guess what? They came. Brought it right back. Brought it right back, Joe. And guess what? I was sitting on it again. Another 5,000. Yeah, Joe, they can't get on about.

[Joe]

Matter of fact, you know what? I'm gonna do that now. You just gave me an idea. You know, I'm gonna play my mom. I'll play my grandma and my mama birthdays. Yeah, grandma and my mama birthdays. Probably play, you know, maybe do. Do the year they were born. Yeah, I'm gonna play out.

[Ocho]

I don't. That's. No, that's normally what. Yeah, that's normally what I do. You play your birth. If you play it, you know you can play it straight combo, straight box. I played, I played it, I played it straight. I had a two times straight and one time combo, combo, combo. Probably cost you $2 because it's extra because now anyway it come, those numbers come, it could come 6, 6, 2, 0. It could come 6, 6, 0, 2, any combination and you'll get, you know, half of what you normally would get. So. Oh yeah, I'll hit it. I hit a lick on.

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[Joe]

I turned off news altogether.

[Ocho]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Commercial Announcer]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Ocho]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America. And Doug, here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

Ocho Jamar Chase we had this conversation last night. Jamar chase was suspended one game. The one game suspension will cost him over half a million dollars. 448, 333 in a game check and 58,008, 24 in an active roster bonus. Chase plans to appeal and argue this One game suspension, claiming that if it was going to spin on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spit in his face and not on the man's jersey, the ground. Ocho, Ocho, that's not. Come on real. I mean, come on, Chase.

[Joe]

He didn't even talk to the media. Huh?

[Ocho]

Hello. That's what in Rappaport said, is that he said if he was going to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spin in his face and not on the jersey, the ground.

[Joe]

Yeah, I don't think he said that because he declined to talk to media. He declined to talk to everybody today, obviously, you know, once you get out of watching film on Mondays, he declined to talk.

[Ocho]

I guess his team put that out. But anyway, I don't know how, I don't know. But first of all, you said you didn't spit. So whether you were spitting on the ground or you would have did X, Y and Z, you said you didn't spit. That's what you said. You said that after the game. Yeah. Now the, the, all that, Ocho, you know, they shoot everything, man. You know, they shoot everything in 4K and you could actually see it. Yeah, yeah, you could. You can see pimples on an ant booty from the moon. That's how good the cameras are, Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Chase.

[Ocho]

Absolutely appeal it. But I, me, I, I just think you should, you know, call Rams and say, bro, I'm sorry, my emotions got the best of me and leave. And, and, and because this one incident, this is not you. I don't believe this is you. I'm surprised that we actually have Ocho and I'm having this conversation and you're the topic of the conversation because you're ensnared in this. I wouldn't have believed it if you, you would have been the very last person they said a receiver. I probably. There are some other names I might have. Would have went to, but I wouldn't have been. I, I, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have put that, I wouldn't have put that on you.

[Joe]

No.

[Ocho]

So I hope, I hope that's what report in Rappaport said. He said his team said or he said. I don't believe it.

[Joe]

No.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna say. Let's just say. But for the sake of. But you did spit on him. Whether you would have, what you would have done, you spit on the man and it's gonna cost you, but you'll learn from it. I don't believe this is the type of person that you are. We've all done things that we're. We're not as not our finest moment.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And don't. I, I don't think this moment should just define Jamar Chase. They're gonna be, they're gonna be a lot of other moments that we can look back and define Jamar Jamar Chase with. This is not going to be your defining moment, but the, the best, the best apology, Ocho, is change behavior. Don't let something like this happen again and we gonna be good, bro.

[Joe]

The funny thing about it, when we talk about Jane, when we talk about change behavior players, I'm not just speaking on Jamar Chase in general, the change behavior most of the time, you know, he gonna make you forget about it on the field.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Gonna make you forget about it on the field. And we never have problems out of Chase off the field anyway.

[Ocho]

No, you don't have problems from.

[Joe]

So when you, when you think of a hypothetical, if this scenario or this situation never happened and you just thought of some players that, that it would come from. It wouldn't come from him because he's one who causes no problems. The problem he calls is on the field. Correct as hell. That's it.

[Ocho]

That's why, that's why I struggle. That's why you struggle.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because you know him better than I do. And there was never any indication. He's so laid back. He's so if you watch him when he does an interview, he's sitting back, he chill. He's sitting back like this here all the time.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So he. And a little bit that I've been around him. I've been around him a couple times doing the autograph signing. I saw him at the Super Bowl. He's a chill guy. Yeah. He's not one of these high strung guys that you know best liable to go off. He's really mild mannered.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So that's why it's so surprising. But. You know, look, like I said, you know, this season was supposed to be different. They missed the playoff. Last year he had the Triple Crown. He's the first Triple Crown, my brother to win that and not make the playoffs. My brother won the triple crowd in 92. They didn't make the playoffs. Yeah, he won the triple crown in 24. They didn't. So almost 30. Almost well over 30 years.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So it doesn't happen often because there's not a whole lot of people that win the Triple Crown. It's hard. So you got to have, you got to have the most catches, yards and touchdowns versus everybody. Not just the nfc, but the AFC as well. Sometimes you can have yards. Sometimes you could have catches something, and then somebody nips you with touchdown. He. He had both. It's kind of like winning the Triple Crown in baseball.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You could have a.380 batting average, but you got 40 home runs, and somebody got 50 or somebody drives in 135. That's why it doesn't happen that often. Mickey Cabrera was the last one. Then you got to go all the way back to Yaz. Call you Scrimsky.

[Joe]

Okay. Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Gonna say who? Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, so. Or the same thing in horse racing, you know, hey, you might win that first two, but that mile and a half at the Belmonts, that's it.

[Joe]

That's hell, boy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. If you notice now, a lot of horses just like, hey, forget it. They just. They. They like. I don't even worry about it. Hey, we win the Kentucky Derby, we'll skip the Preakness. We'll see you at the Belmont.

[Joe]

Right?

[Ocho]

I mean, it was such a long time. And then. I mean, everybody thought it was easy. You get Secretary in 73, and then you get Seattle Saloon Affirm, back to back year, 77, 78. And then it's like. Well, it's. Man, it's too hard. It's too hard. It's too hard. And then you get American Pharaoh. Do it. And then you come back with Justified, Bob Baffert. Two horses. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. You probably had more Triple Crown winners in baseball than you had in horse racing, but.

[Joe]

And that's difficult.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Joe]

Hey, you. You be. You've been to the Kentucky Derby before.

[Ocho]

I've been Ocho. We got a. It's all about. Ocho. It's all about the hat. Yes. For a man and a woman is all about. I've seen women come with some hats and be barefooted. Be bare barefooted.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I don't know. For some reason, it normally rains.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But, Ocho, these lady have these hats. I mean, one lady had a hat. I mean, this. This hat was way out here like this here.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, your boy. We had to have a. Oh, yeah. You.

[Joe]

Hey, young. You was out there, Sean.

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Joe]

You a shot.

[Ocho]

If a fly lit on. If a fly would have landed on my chart to cut his throat. You see, you messing me up. You messing up the ensemble. Yeah, I was clean, Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know. I'd have been there a few times. Obviously, when I was In Cincinnati. It's right. It's right down the street.

[Ocho]

Right, right. As a matter of fact, hell, I flew into Cincinnati and drove over.

[Joe]

Drove down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right down the street, man. It's a great event. I only did it one time. You know, I'm not in that kind of.

[Ocho]

That's. That's where I met. I met. I met Bob Baffert, him and his son at the time I met. Rest his soul, I think D. Wayne Lucas. I met a couple of them.

[Joe]

It's a great. It's great. It's an awesome sport.

[Ocho]

It's unbelievable, Ocho, because it was. It was on my bucket list. You know, I've been to a World Series, obviously. I've been to a Super bowl, the Kentucky Derby. I want to do Daytona 500. I went to. I want to do Wimbledon.

[Joe]

Huh? Listen, do me. Do me. Do me a favor. Do. To give yourself some justice so you can understand the experience. When you go to the Daytona 500, do not let them put you in a suite. You need to sit in the stand so you can get the.

[Ocho]

Oh. If you're the feel of. Go ride that track. Yes.

[Joe]

Yes. You got to be able to experience it. You got to feel those cars coming around. You know, the energy, the aura, the stands. You got the. Oh, man, it's on.

[Ocho]

It's crazy, man. It's. It's crazy. I mean, it's. It's something about when you feel. When you feel 800 horsepower and it's 42 of those cars, and they go in 180, 190 miles an hour, and they're this close. They're this close. Yeah. And those cars are damn near upside down.

[Joe]

Unbelievable.

[Ocho]

Hey, boy. Hey. Hey. And when they be. Hey. They bump draft. That's. That's a. A rescue. So the Terminator, Dale Earnhardt slingshot down in the back. Oh, man, I gotta see that one. I gotta see that. I want to see Wilmington, because I went to see. I saw the US Open. I saw Serena. She just got married to two a couple of years ago to David Lee. She the Dane, the tennis player. She married David Lee, the basketball player. I saw her and Serena play semifinal at the US Open on a Saturday night. What's her name? Wozniaki. Yep. She married David Lee. I think they got a couple of kids because I saw them in. I just saw them in Vegas, maybe for the Super Bowl. David Lee. Michael Phelps and his wife, and it was David Lee and Wozniaki. But, man, Ocho, I gotta. I gotta, huh? Yeah. You look at your boy.

[Joe]

Hey, boy.

[Ocho]

You clean now.

[Joe]

I see you. Okay, you clean.

[Ocho]

Look, I pulled out. I was in a hurry. Was it a hurry?

[Joe]

All right.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. Hey. Hello. It's April. Oh, Joe. We might have to jump down there. Hey, Club Shay. Shay. I mean, a nightcap might have to go on the road at the Derby.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, I get my hat ready right now. Don't, Don't. Don't play with me.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Because, you know, when it. When it comes to putting them. Putting them things on, you know, I put that. I put that. I put that you know what on there. I'm ready.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we might. We about to go and do a little something.

[Joe]

Speaking of horses in Kentucky Derby, my daughter. My daughter Cha Cha, she plays tennis. Unc. She's phenomenal. She's.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Phenomenal. And she loves horses. Until I love. She said, I'mma blame my mama. I'mma blame my mama. We went riding horses this past weekend, a weekend before last. She asked me all about types of horses and telling me about saddles, and I'm like, man, where in the world.

[Ocho]

You learn all this stuff at? I.

[Joe]

She's really into it. So I'm like, okay. Okay, cool. Okay.

[Ocho]

Be in your pockets, too.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, so as soon as we finish riding, you know, the first thing, Christmas coming up. So the first thing I do, I'm talking to the lady. We on the trail, we riding.

[Ocho]

Ask the train.

[Joe]

I say, you know what horses run, how much they cost? Okay. A thousand, fifteen hundred for something simple.

[Ocho]

Okay. Bet. What? Please.

[Joe]

You know, I ain't get. I ain't getting nothing too expensive now, you know, she, she, she, she. She young now. So I'm like, okay, what about boarding? What about feeding? Do they have places? Do they have places out here?

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's where you spend the money.

[Joe]

You know, they have board. It's like, yeah, that's.

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[Joe]

Star Wars. There's Borden. So I asked her, I say, well, listen, I'm leaving information and, you know, send it to me and the numbers and what it costs weekly, monthly, and for the year. And I'm thinking about, you know, getting my daughter. I'm thinking about get a Pasafino. I don't want none too big. I want some a little small where the ride is smooth. And a Pasafino would be perfect for her. Yeah, I'm just curious. I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of excited for her because she loved him so much. And I think that would be one of the best breast surprises for One of, one of my 85 on Christmas morning.

[Ocho]

The thing is, Ocho, is that. Yeah, you get a horse for a decent price, you probably spend 1500, maybe $5000 on a horse.

[Joe]

What you got to put into it. Completely different.

[Ocho]

But the boarded and defeated.

[Joe]

Yes, yeah, but see and to also you gotta understand where I live in Miami, out that way, you know, because I'm. I'm further up north in west a little bit. Ain't nothing out there but horses and stables. That's it. And when you think Miami, you think south beach, you know, all the nice stuff, but I'm out there in the, you know, I don't even know what you want to call it. You know, you, you go to Walmart, you go to Target, and when you, when you driving, it's people riding horses up and down the street like we in goddamn Texas. Yeah, I'm serious. That's how far out I am from everybody.

[Ocho]

The New York Jets Ocho are benching Justin Fields for backup Tyrod Taylor. The move comes following the 2714 lost the Patriots last Thursday night. The game in which Fields threw for 116 yards on 15 or 26 passing. Fields signed a two year 40 million dollar deal with the jets last spring. The contract guarantees him 20 million in 25 and another 10 million in 26. Ocho does this bench and suggest that the Justin Field experiment is officially over.

[Joe]

Yes, it does. And I hate that for young Bull. I'm just gonna be honest, I hate that for him. And not only is the experiment over, it puts the Jet back in. It put the jets back in the same position that they've been in for a very long time. Since Joe Namath is in search of a quarterback number one. They're back in search of quarterback number one. I really, I really was pulling know for Justin Fields and hoping this would be his season to have his own team. Things didn't go well with the Bears. He went to Pittsburgh. We saw flashes. We saw flashes of brilliance. Leading that Pittsburgh Steeler team offensively to a 4 and 2 record before he was bench for Russell Wilson that Mike Tomlin had said would be the starter once he gets back healthy. Now Justin Fields, this is your team. You quarterback number one. You have nothing to worry about. You don't have to look over your shoulder. You can play freely, you know, just minimize your mistakes, protect the ball and try to run that offense as efficient as you possibly can. And to this point, we in week 10, damn near if I'm not mistaken. Week 10.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. We about to head into week 12.

[Joe]

Oh, well, we in week 12 and just.

[Ocho]

No week 13. Yeah, they. This is week 12. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, and Right.

[Ocho]

In the week. Yeah. Week 12.

[Joe]

Yeah. At this point, based on the numbers, what you've seen, we've talked about it all the time. You know, having games where you got 20, 30 yards at the half.

[Ocho]

Come on, man. 45 yards passing. NFL quarterback. Yeah, okay, okay, once I get that. But Ocho 45. Back to back.

[Joe]

Back to back, man. No, and. And let's. And sometimes when I think about it, it's like sometimes I think they sabotaging them, you know, But I know that's not the case. I know. Not the case because they, they can only sabotage you so much. You know, I thought it hurt. I. I hurt for Young Bull because he. He's really. He really won the opportunity to be quarterback number one. And it. It just hasn't panned out or worked out.

[Ocho]

No, the jets is probably one of.

[Joe]

The worst situations to go to because you have.

[Ocho]

Clearly you got.

[Joe]

You have to be that much better at the quarterback position than everything around you. You got to. You got to be able to elevate everybody else around you. And he's not that kind of quarterback, man.

[Ocho]

Aaron Rodgers and Devonte Adams couldn't help him.

[Joe]

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's. That's a good one.

[Ocho]

So you put that, that green and white on. You already know.

[Joe]

Damn. Well, listen, Tyrod, you know, proven veteran. Tyrod gonna get in there and the one thing about him, you know, he.

[Ocho]

Gonna move by now. Let it go.

[Joe]

You're gonna move that ball too. He gonna move that ball. I wonder who the jets got this week.

[Ocho]

Who did just play. The Ravens.

[Joe]

Oh, hell no.

[Ocho]

Hey, in Baltimore, Tyrod. Hey, that's what Tyrod started. Remember Tyrod was the backup to Joe Pleco.

[Joe]

Yeah, the Joe. Yeah, y. I remember. Yep, sure was.

[Ocho]

And he started in Buffalo. He took Buffalo to the playoffs. People forget that.

[Joe]

That's right. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right.

[Ocho]

Yes. Jeff Simmons said he's tired of sugar coating things and is sick of the Titans not playing complimentary football. Let's take a listen to what Jeffrey Simons had to say. We need to be better. I mean, we can't keep sitting up here saying the same thing, trying to sugarcoat us for the media, for anybody. And I said it in the locker room, I said it on the field. I'm tired of chip code and we need to be Better. At the end of the day, we need to protect Cal better. There was a defense when knowing if you give up two touchdowns or you know, or whatever that it's going to be hard to win. I mean, at the end of the day, it's about complimenting football. We have to play better team football. We sometime off offense to be playing good. Sometimes the defense. But how can we play good as a team?

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Pretty face.

[Ocho]

We not playing good team football right now.

[Commercial Voiceover]

And it's showing.

[Ocho]

And like Mike said in the practice Friday, we had freaking four false starts Friday. We playing at home. We shouldn't have that many false starts. Don't care. Tired of taking feelings. I'm tired of losing. That's what I'm tired of doing.

[Joe]

Oh, man, he frustrated boy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. You talking about the offensive line. He said how we have that many false starts. Are we playing at home?

[Joe]

At home, yeah. You shouldn't. You shouldn't have any because the noise is on your side or the lack of noise is on your side, especially when the office is out there on the field. It shouldn't be any issues. I understand what he's. What he's saying in the key. The key word that he kept saying over and over is complimentary. You know, offense play well, defense play well. There has to be some type of balance on both sides. Now. You're not going to execute on every. Every single drive. Not every single drive, but meet me halfway, meet me halfway. Keep us off the field for a little bit. Don't go three and out 30 goddamn three times. I'm just throwing that number out there. But. But in general Z, give us a chance to rest. Let's put together some drives, some consecutive drives together, you know, give us a chance. They're not even. With the way they're playing, they're not even giving themselves a chance. The win games. Now, it was a little position to.

[Ocho]

Get the number one pick again next this year. I mean, in 26. Ocho. Yeah.

[Joe]

My dog hurts.

[Ocho]

Gotta suck to get the back to back number one picks.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's tough. Well, hell, you know how bad you.

[Ocho]

Ought to have territory. You are in old Colts territory.

[Joe]

Yeah, but. Oh.

[Ocho]

Cause you know y' all did that, right? Ocho who? The Bengals.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, Bangles Bad John the Carter Big Daddy Dan Wilkinson.

[Joe]

Hey, the Bengals was bad, huh? I'm talking about back then.

[Ocho]

You do realize I was in the league where y' all was terrible.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Y' all come a long way, Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah, we Have. Yeah.

[Ocho]

The Colts was terrible, too. Don't. Hey, the Patriots was terrible, too. Terrible. Yeah, a lot of terrible. They were bad.

[Joe]

They were bad. Hey, but. But Tennessee got a long way to go, huh? You know how bad you and. Hey, you heard me. You know how bad you had to.

[Ocho]

Be or save the team. Hold on, Ocho. I'm trying to think who the last team to have back to back number one overall picks. So like we said, like the Bengals.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

Did with. I think it was Kajana Carter and big daddy Dan Wilkinson. Damn.

[Joe]

What happened?

[Ocho]

The same team has done it twice.

[Joe]

Who was that?

[Ocho]

Done it twice. Back to back number ones overall.

[Joe]

Oh, just the Bengals.

[Ocho]

Oh, you give me the years, I'm probably gonna get it. Oh, yeah. With Tim Couch and the guy from Penn State.

[Joe]

Oh, Cleveland.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Baker Mayfield and Miles Garrett. Oh, what was the defensive lineman that he. Accordingly, Brown, if I'm not mistaken. I think Courtney went one and. And what you call him with two. Didn't he? Yeah, didn't. Didn't levard go to. To Washington after Courtney because they was on the same team. I think just like the Colts had the first two picks and they took Steve Entman and they took the guy from Texas A M, Quentin Corridor. To Washington. Yeah. Three. Wow. Chris Samuel, the offensive lineman. Yeah, Man. Yeah, it's tough. Oo and, and, and, and, and that's where you got to have real strong leadership. Because when one side is pulling their weight and the other side ain't pulling their weight.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Frustration start to bubble.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Tennessee, you gotta have some real, real, real, real strong.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Tennessee leadership.

[Joe]

Tennessee has some chances to win that game. So I understand. They did.

[Ocho]

They did. They absolutely did. Yeah, they absolutely did. Honestly.

[Joe]

Honestly.

[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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