Best of NFL News Part 1: Justin Fields LAST CHANCE, DeAndre Hopkins's DELUSION, Modern practice rules RUINING players

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 1: Justin Fields LAST CHANCE, DeAndre Hopkins's DELUSION, Modern practice rules RUINING players

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Ocho
Date: March 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay dives into some of the hottest storylines of the 2026 NFL offseason. Shannon Sharpe and Ocho focus on three major topics: Justin Fields’ latest opportunity with the Kansas City Chiefs (and whether it’s truly his last shot), DeAndre Hopkins’ frustrations with his declining usage, and whether modern NFL practice rules are causing more harm than good to player health and performance. The hosts bring insight from both their playing careers, debate accountability, and wrap up with a candid, philosophical conversation about life, relationships, and personal growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Justin Fields to the Chiefs: Last Chance?

Segment: [02:44–11:50]

• Trade Details:
  Chiefs traded a 2027 6th round pick to the Jets for Justin Fields. The Jets eat $7M of Fields’ $10M guaranteed salary for 2026; KC pays the remainder. Fields assumes the backup role behind Mahomes, who’s rehabbing a major knee injury.

• Ocho’s Take:

  • Fields’ problems in New York were more about the Jets’ dysfunction ("nobody does well over there" [03:10]).
  • His glimpse of success in Pittsburgh suggests, with the right organization, he can thrive:
    "When he’s with a competent organization… he looked somewhat good until Russell Wilson got healthy.” ([03:46])
  • In Andy Reid’s system, Fields’ dual-threat skills and supporting cast should allow him to succeed if he has to start.

• Shannon’s Perspective:

  • Andy Reid “loves mobile quarterbacks” and “is a quarterback whisperer… hard for me to see that if Justin Fields has to play two, three games, that he won’t have a level of success.” ([04:37])
  • Chiefs’ roster moves (Kenneth Walker signing, draft capital) show they’re protecting Mahomes and setting Fields up to succeed.
  • But ultimately, “if he can't have success here, where can he have success?” ([05:55])
  • Critiques the cycle of blaming organizations for player struggles:
    “At some point in time, we gotta stop throwing out stuff. At some point in time, hey, the baby just dirty. We can’t just keep throwing out bath water. It's not the baby dirty.” ([07:35])

• Accountability Discussion:
  Shannon: “At some point, we gotta start holding these players accountable… You can't go to 15 organizations and say every last one is run poorly. At some point, you’re not doing your job.” ([07:36])

• Final Thoughts on Fields:
  Both agree the Chiefs are Fields’ best and maybe last chance, and he has all the tools and support to succeed, but the time for blaming external factors is over.

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2. DeAndre Hopkins’ “Delusion” and the League's Treatment of Veterans

Segment: [21:13–32:38]

• Hopkins’ Complaint:
  D-Hop feels “underutilized” with the Ravens (Second-tier role; 22 catches, 330 yards, 2 TDs at age 33):
  “How many times after this do you think I was used in the red zone when targeted? I’m still one of the best, still one of the most productive. But never complain with my snaps and never will. Facts.” ([21:48])

• Ocho & Shannon’s Perspective:

  • Ocho: “I hate when they do this to us… Once you hit your 30s, they continue to weed you out.” ([21:57])
  • Ocho laments the league’s tendency to discard productive veterans for younger players, regardless of skillset or situational value.
  • Shannon:
    “He might believe he can still be the guy; I have no reason to believe he can’t. But I’m saying, they’re not going to give you those opportunities because they don’t intend for you to be there after the time in which you are there… He’s a temp service.” ([23:27])
  • Discuss other stars who aged out despite skill—Julio Jones, others.

• System Fit and Opportunity:

  • Hopkins becomes a “fifth option” in Ravens’ offense; real opportunities decrease, especially in the red zone.
  • Discuss how some teams (like LA with Davante Adams) maximize a veteran’s skill, while others (Baltimore) see production dwindle due to crowded depth charts and scheme.

• Maximizing Veteran Value:

  • Ocho:
    “Why even bring him in and not use him? What am I doing here? Veteran presence, leadership? I don’t wanna steal money. I want to earn what you’re paying me.” ([32:29])
  • Shannon: “Some guys are just touchdown magnets… Ocho, you and I were yardage guys. We might have six for a buck-20 and no touchdowns; someone else has three for 75 and two touchdowns.” ([28:57])

• Life After Prime:
  Both agree Hopkins has every right to feel frustrated, but "once you start bouncing around, you’re a hired gun. Don’t complain—because the opportunities are fleeting.”
  Ocho:
  “Even if he’s a shell of himself, that shell is still good. You just need the opportunities.” ([32:14])

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3. Are Modern NFL Practice Rules Harming Player Health?

Segment: [37:36–55:15]

• Troy Aikman’s Concern:
  NFL’s protective rule changes and less demanding practices might be causing more early season injuries (especially soft-tissue):
  “Players aren’t physically prepared to start the season… You’ve got to callous your body, and that’s hard to do without practicing football movements.” ([37:36])

• Sharpe & Ocho’s Analysis:

  • Ocho:
    "They don’t train enough… It's not what we did! The body has to be callused up to withstand going from 0 to 100 on game day." ([38:30])
  • Sharpe:
    “You ask these guys to go 50 miles an hour all week—and on Sunday, go 100. That’s hard. You gotta put that car to the test at some point.” ([39:26])
  • Both recall brutal pre-2000s practices ("two-a-days," tackling to the ground, “Bully in the Ring” drill) as foundational for mental and physical toughness.

• Shift in Player Preparation:
  Practices now "walkthroughs and playtime," few full-speed reps.
  Sharpe: "They go out there, let's meet, let's walk through. Ain't no damn meeting and walkthrough on Sunday. You gotta put your body under the gun." ([39:26])

• Effect on Injuries:

  • Sharpe: “You see a lot of hamstrings, groins, calves, soft tissue… because your body isn’t used to that kind of torque.” ([55:15])
  • Both reminisce on how “conditioning in the sun” was part of football growing up, not just for games but for life resilience.

• Cultural Change:
  Both express nostalgia but recognize the modern approach is largely here to stay—even if it carries tradeoffs.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Quarterback Accountability:
  “At some point, we gotta start holding these players accountable. We can’t keep blaming the organization…the baby just dirty.” – Unc/Shannon Sharpe ([07:35])

• On NFL Ageism:
  “Once you hit your 30s, they weed you out...I can go down the list of all the great receivers that were great at one time. They go to teams and are underutilized just because of age.” – Ocho ([21:57])

• On Practice and Resilience:
  "They don't practice the same way we used to…when you're asked to go 100 on Sunday after barely going 50, the body breaks down." – Unc ([39:26]) “I had two-a-days, then went to work, then back to practice at night. That made you tough.” – Unc ([56:12])

• On Relationships & Meaningful Partnership:
  "I'm done being with somebody I can have fun with. I found somebody I can suffer with, endure with, because you can have fun with anybody." – Unc ([60:40]) "The two hardest things to do: hit a baseball and keep a woman happy long term." – Ocho ([71:41]) "Uncommunicated expectations will ruin a relationship." – Unc ([68:06])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:44–11:50 | Justin Fields to Kansas City: Analysis & Accountability | | 21:13–32:38 | DeAndre Hopkins’ Usage, NFL Ageism, Maximizing Veterans | | 37:36–55:15 | Modern NFL Practices & Player Health (Aikman Comments, Old School vs. New) | | 60:09–72:51 | Personal Growth, Relationships, Managing Expectations, and Life Lessons |

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Episode Tone & Language

The episode moves effortlessly from football expertise to locker-room real talk, blending hard-hitting analysis, banter, and wisdom from long NFL careers. The tone is conversational—sometimes blunt, always insightful, peppered with nostalgia and life advice.

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Conclusion

Shannon Sharpe and Ocho deliver their patented blend of football hot takes and life lessons, rooting their opinions in lived experience. Whether talking last chances for Justin Fields, the fading spotlight on stars like DeAndre Hopkins, or how new NFL practice rules could be harming players, the hosts never shy from accountability—or vulnerability when the subject shifts off the field. If you’re looking for sharp (pun intended), honest, and thoroughly entertaining NFL conversation, this episode delivers.

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Forget that button right here. Come for the sports Stay for the story. The Chiefs found that newest backup quarterback to Patrick Mahomes today. They agreed to send a 2027 6th round draft pick to the jets to acquire Justin Fields. Fields wanted to continue his career in Kansas City, although there were other teams interested in acquiring him. Per Adam Schefter. To facilitate the trade they the jets are paying 7 million of the $10 million guaranteed contract of 2026. Kansas City will pay the remaining 3 million. Mahomes is rehabbing after having surgery in December to repair repair a torn ACL and an LCL in his left knee. OO we were talking about this because the reports had come out that the Chiefs were pro, possibly interested in Russell Wilson.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Unc]

Now that we know they're going away from Russell Wilson and turn into Justin Fields.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

You like this? Are you surprised by this? What are your thoughts about this?

[Ocho]

I mean I kind of like it because I'll go back to what did Justin Fields look like when he's with the Pittsburgh Steelers? What did he look like when he had an actual starting job? I don't want to base anything, a small symbol aside what we saw Justin Fields with New York jets because nobody does well over there. Nobody does well over there because from top to bottom it's not running the right way. But when is with the Steelers a competent organization that that is used to winning? Obviously he, he looked somewhat good until Russell Wilson got healthy and then he had to come. He had. He had to sit down. If I'm not mistaken, Justin Field went 4 and 2 in the six game that he did start. So I think with Andy Reid and B Enemy and some of the, some of the weapons they do have over there, if Justin Fields has to be the quarterback until Paxton Mahomes is healthy, I'm okay with that because I understand what he will look like when he has the right supporting cast around him.

[Unc]

Yeah, I mean I like this. Andy loves mobile quarterbacks. Remember what he did. He Donovan was mobile but then he got Michael Vic who was even more mobile than Donovan McNow and he has success with that. So I'm not surprised. Obviously P Justin Fields is a lot more mobile than Patrick Mahomes and he's going to be a lot more mobile than Patrick Mahomes coming off this knee injury. But I agree with what you had to say is that given this system given to and Andy's quarterback whisper for, for the quarterbacks, it's hard for me to see that if Justin Fields has to play two, three games that he won't have a level of success. Understanding that, you know, hey, they do a great job of making sure you get the ball out of your hands quick. They were on a lot of jailbreak screens. They believe they can run the ball a lot better to take some pressure off of the passing game. That's why they went out and signed Kenneth Walker K9 in free agency to relieve some of the passing game pressure. But because the as Mahomes to drop back and continuously to throw, throw, throw, you're putting him, you're putting yourself in harm's way. I don't think they're done yet. Oo they got, they got a, a top 15 pick and they got the 29th pick from the Rams. They got two first round picks. Don't know quite know the direction that they're going to head in in those. Do they trade both of those picks and move into the top 10, top 5? I'm not sure about that. But I, I, I kind of like this. But I, I will say this. If he can't have success here, where can he have success at Ocho?

[Ocho]

Well, listen, if going, going to Kansas City, if you, if you look at the starting quarterbacks and obviously the backups that have been there that they had to go in and fill in for the starters, they've always had success. They've always had success. And Andy Reid, when it comes, I'm not calling him the quarterback whisperer, but all quarterbacks he's worked with and coached, they've all, they've all had success. So I expect him because of what he has around him to have success. And what I like about him is he can throw the ball but he also adds that dynamic of being a dual threat as well. So I'm sure they're going to play to his strengths to make sure he can keep that, that ship afloat while he's in.

[Unc]

Well, that's what you're going to have to do. Obviously defensively we'll see what they're going to do. Defensively they lost a lot of guys, both of the starting corners, starting safety. So that's three started off the defense, they restructured Chanel contract. They'll probably do something with Jones's contract. Defensively they're not the same. They don't get out there, they don't attack the quarterback the same way they once did. They're not that spag still wants to pressure when he feels threatened. You get close his end zone, he's going to bring pressure. And teams were prepared for that and they made him pay for some of that this year. But I like this Justin Fields. Hopefully he can figure it out because look, we, we, we throw everything again, we throw everything out the window that he did with the jets because like you said, the jets are not a very well organization and they don't have the best pieces around him. Okay, what we going to throw out Chicago at some point in time. We got to stop throwing out stuff at some point in time. Hey, the baby just dirty. We can't just keep throwing our bath waters. Not a baby dirty.

[Ocho]

Right, right.

[Unc]

And in this situation, at some point in time, Ocho, we're gonna have to say, hey, we're gonna have to put some of this on Justin Fields. I agree. I think the Jets, I don't think the jets did him any favors. I think Chicago, there are some things that he could have done better like understand protection and be able to redirect the protection so you don't become vulnerable. If they don't do it, you should be well enough, thoughtful enough as a quarterback to say, hell no. Y' all listen this, nah, rip this. Let me, hey, I want to be able to see or if it's a rip protection. Liz, it so I can see the blitz coming because I'm a right handed quarterback. But at some point in time we got to start holding these players accountable. We can't keep blaming organization, organization, organization. There are some bad run organizations, yes, I will concede that. But you can't go to 15 organizations that every last one of them are run poorly. Yeah, at some point in time you're not doing, you're not doing your job.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I mean I can only base it off what he did as the last organization he was at where I thought he was going to. Obviously I don't have to look over my shoulder. Finally I get a team where they have to worry about anyone taking my job. But unfortunately that job was the New York Jets. And I'm not sure when the last time they've actually had success because top to bottom, you know how it is. I don't need to say anything. I mean no disrespect to anyone that plays for the New York Jets. But it is what it is. It is what it is. So Justin Fields, seeing what he looked like when he's with the Steelers with a competent organization that has run the correct way from top to bottom. I saw what he looked like, the small symbol size we saw with him there. I know exactly what he's going to give you when he's with the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Unc]

And it doesn't take much because Andy system is very quarterback friendly. You look at the success that Alex Smith had in that system, you look at Donald McNabb in that system, you look at Michael Vic in that system, you look at Mahone boy in that Mahone Boy as an outlier. So he gonna look good in any system. That's Patrick Mahomes. He's a, you can make a case that he's a top five, top six quarterback as we currently sit here and speak. Oo so he's an outlier. But if you look at other quarterbacks, Alex Smith was mobile. People, I mean, I know, you know, you look at it before he got hurt. Yeah, he was mobile. Oh, you watch him in San Francisco and how he can move. They would move the pocket with Alex Smith. Yeah, you look at him in Kansas City, they would move the pocket. He was very, very mobile. And so I think hopefully Justin Fields can have this level of success. And you see what he did. Andy came there and you got Mahomes and then Alex Smith was able to go to the commanders and you know, he ended up messing up his leg. But hopefully Justin Fields can have this level of sense. I, I, I thought he could be good. Watching him at Ohio State, sometimes you get a false sense because when you got five, six first round wide receivers, Ocho, you get a little false system. Like, well, damn, is, is, is, is he that good? But you know, we look at what he was throwing to. He got a lobby and he got Garrett Wilson and you know, he got all those guys like, well, damn. But he's go, he, he's going to have to play better because I agree, I, I think Ocho people are more in your camp. The Jesse bad situation, Chicago didn't surround him with anything. Pittsburgh, he seemed to be heading in the right direction.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Unc]

But they never committed. They committed to Russell Wilson. Russell got hurt in training camp and you know, Mike Tomlin never committed. Like, well, if Russell gets healthy, this is still Justin field job. He didn't make that declaration. So I was surprised, I think a lot of people were surprised that, that when Russ got healthy that he went to Justin Fields, considering how well feels was playing. But this is an insurance policy. It only cost him $3 million. The jets picking up, you know, $7 million of that, of the 10 million that he's guaranteed. And so hopefully it works out for him this time around.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, listen, that's a good team to be around, too. That's a good team to be around. Obviously, that atmosphere, that winning atmosphere, and being able to learn behind Mahomes once he does get back, just in case the opportunity presents itself again. But Justin Fields be the quarterback of a team somewhere else, just. Just being able to take some of the attributes that he's learned from Mahomes, and. And that system will be tremendous for him.

[Unc]

But here's the thing, Ocho. You know this. Now, what happened if you don't do well in Andy's sister, they gonna say,

[Ocho]

yeah, it get tough there. It get tough after that. It get real tough. It get real slim after that,

[Unc]

man. Pojo, can we put this up? Yeah, we gonna put this up. I feel bad, too.

[Ocho]

Feel bad for who?

[Unc]

Joe.

[Ocho]

What happened?

[Unc]

He up there at the game by himself?

[Ocho]

He wasn't by himself.

[Unc]

Yeah, he was.

[Ocho]

Hold on here. I'm gonna let you. I'm. I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you argue with the mother of my child.

[Unc]

Dog, Dog. See, there you go.

[Ocho]

Why you trying to play somebody else? I'm. Hey, I'm gonna let you argue with.

[Unc]

No, ain't no arguing. Go at the chat, Ocho. You see, Ocho, this don't need to be no discussion. Ocho know his. He know with all his kids birthday. He knows if he's out of town, he's gonna contact the moms and say, we need to move this up because I'm gonna be out of town.

[Ocho]

How you gonna tell her? What? How you gonna tell her what to do?

[Unc]

Well, she told you what to do.

[Ocho]

If she say, I need you here today, I'm here today.

[Unc]

Okay, well, so what? But, Ocho, you hadn't made plans.

[Ocho]

Hey, Unc, I don't give a fuck about no plans if my motherfucking child birthday is here.

[Unc]

Well, you should have did that. Well, you should have did that with Joe.

[Ocho]

I talked to Joe already. What are you talking about? I talked to Joe earlier today. Now, y' all don't piss me off about my goddamn child. It's her birthday.

[Unc]

Ojo, Ojo, how you getting ticked off? Because you put this request in four months ago?

[Ocho]

Listen, man, I sent that man his money for a ticket. Y' all acting like it's that goddamn serious. I said it's my child birthday. Anybody don't like it, you know what the f you could do. Now that's the last I'm gonna say about it,

[Unc]

Ocho.

[Ocho]

I know. Wait, wait. I know. I play around a lot. My child birthday is tomorrow. I have to get on the flight at 9am Therefore, Mama asked me to stay in town today so you could do something with her. Because I'm gonna be gone the rest of the week till Sunday. That's all.

[Unc]

That's all, Ocho. That's all, Ocho. I talk.

[Ocho]

Hey, wait, no, let me finish. I talked to Joe earlier today. I say, joe, I'm not gonna be able naked because I have obligations with the little one. They move what she had to do up because she has to prepare for a tennis tournament this weekend. That's all. Now, we make it a little bit more complicated than we should. It's a serious matter. You telling me about a basketball game versus my child's daughter?

[Unc]

My daughter's birthday, Ocho, you the one that recommended you go to the game. He didn't broach the subject to you?

[Ocho]

He wasn't able to go to the game.

[Unc]

Okay, Ocho, what are we arguing about? I'm saying you do the right thing by staying for your child's birthday. So why are we even making an assession me? No one is saying, oh, Oo. Now how you gonna go to a game?

[Ocho]

Hey, can I ask you something? When you.

[Unc]

Hey. When you.

[Ocho]

When you have something to do, important, do I say anything? No, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. So why y' all making it a big thing?

[Unc]

Oo, but hey, hey, something.

[Ocho]

We talking about a. We talking about a basketball game.

[Unc]

Yeah, we. Ooh. But here. This is why. And chat. Now you understand? This is why I don't commit. Because things come up and to make that commitment. That's why when people say, shannon, can you do this? Shannon, can you go there? I can't commit because I got so many things going on that I don't know. So even though Shelly has my schedule six weeks, two months in advance, something might come up just like that. And I can't. I can't afford. What does that have to do? Something back out of it.

[Ocho]

That has nothing to do with anything at all right now. That had nothing to do with anything. Hey, I need you here for your child's birthday. We got to move it up. Her birthday's tomorrow, so we had to move it up. Because I got fly.

[Unc]

Why you couldn't move it back?

[Ocho]

Move it back where?

[Unc]

The birthday. When is the birthday?

[Ocho]

How about her birthday's tomorrow? Okay, so I'm not here tomorrow. My flight's at 9 o' clock in the morning.

[Unc]

Hold on, Ocho. Okay, how about this? Here, Happy birthday.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. Hey, matter of fact, matter of fact, I'm gonna give you your number so you can explain to her not give me that no more.

[Unc]

Ocho, why you gotta do all this to me?

[Ocho]

Because we're making it more than what it really is. We talking about a basketball game. You acting like I'm supposed to be at the goddamn White House or something.

[Unc]

Ocho, come on. Ocho, Happy birthday, man. I'm just saying. I was just saying. Ocho, come on, man. But I understand, Ocho, I understand. I hate talking to somebody.

[Ocho]

I don't play when it comes to my kids. I don't care what I got to do. I don't, I don't care. And anybody don't like it, you know what time it is? I mean no disrespect, no, no disrespect to the chat and, and you. I'm just saying, some people trying to make jokes and hehe ha ha, he he, ha ha, Hell.

[Unc]

Chad, what y' all thinking? Chad, y' all left. He left. Joel. Stu. Hey.

[Ocho]

See, See how you still going?

[Unc]

As a matter of fact, As a matter of fact, give me, give me, give me, give me your child. Give me your co parent number. I want to talk to her.

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on. Let me call, let me call now.

[Unc]

We don't need to talk. We going to go.

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[Ocho]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

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[Unc]

The Andre Hopkins says he felt underutilized this season, especially in the red zone. First, a Ravens fan tweeted his one handed catch in Week one versus The Bill, saying if the Ravens are in the market for a veteran wide receiver, which I suspect they are, they should do a deal to bring DeAndre Hopkins back to Baltimore. What a catch this was. In response D. Hopkins says, how many times after this do you think I was used in the red zone when targeted? I'm still one of the best, still one of the most productive. But never complain with my snaps and never will. Facts d hop, who's 33, finished the season with 22 catches, 330 yards and only two touchdowns. Ocho I hate that.

[Ocho]

I hate when they do this to us.

[Unc]

On Go ahead, go ahead, talk to me.

[Ocho]

I hate when they do this to us. Hey Chat, I hate when you when you reach your 30s. As great as DeAndre Hopkins was as as much as what I know he can, he can do and provide for offense, especially one like the Baltimore Ravens and to be underutilized, understanding how good he is in one on one situations and goal line situations. 5050 balls turning it, turning to 9010 when it comes to him, when it comes to making contested catches, all you got to do is just throw it in a vicinity. He has hands like Larry Fingert. I'm not sure what his drop rates, what his drop percentage is, but I'm sure it's up there with some of the best in the NFL like Chris Carter and Larry Fanjaro. Once you hit your 30s, they continue to weed you out. Obviously on the team they don't use as much obviously because they more so use the young Bulls and the young Bucks that they do have. But he's such an extreme talent even at 33. I understand the production that he can have, but it just I hate that they weed you out. It happened to all of us, huh? Julio Jones. You know I can go down the list of all the great receivers that were great at one time. And they go to teams and they're underutilized just because of age. And that's the way they weed you out in general. And at some point it's going to come to a point where the game is so young, where there's no more opportunities left for you.

[Unc]

Ocho, you know this. Once you start going every year is year to year, you only gonna be there one year.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

The likelihood of them bringing you back. You saw what happened. He went to Kansas City and he went over here and he went over there. He might as well get accustomed to if he wants to stay for an extended period of time. Yeah. Just says, you know what, I'm a hired gun. I'm here one. It's a temp service. Anybody that's in the chat know about a temp service, you're there temporarily, he's going to be on these teams temporarily. They're not looking for DeAndre Hopkins to be a long term solution. Yeah, he might believe he can, and I don't have any reason to believe that he can't. But I'm saying they're not going to give you those opportunities because they don't intend for you to be there after the time in which you are there, which is basically the football season.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

I hate that. It is what that, Ocho. That's what it is.

[Ocho]

I know, I know. I hate the way that business works like that. Especially when you have a player that is really good at where they do. I mean, really good at what they do and really good at what they've done. But again, the opportunity, the opportunities decrease. I hate that. I hate that. If you give him the opportunities like he had when he was in Houston and put him in position to make those plays, he can still make those plays. But obviously this is the way the business does most of them.

[Unc]

I don't know if you could ever beat Ocho. They don't do that with. They don't do that to Dante. They don't put him in position like he was in Green Bay because it's Pooka's team. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're not gonna put him in that. Because even though we. Even though Zay Flowers is 5, 8, 5 9, whatever the case, he's the number one receiver, he's getting those opportunities. And the two tight ends, they're going to get second and third priority. And then probably Rashawn Bateman, he's gonna get fourth priority. So by at best case, on the absolute best case scenario.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

D Hop is the Fifth option.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but see, and you already know

[Unc]

the fifth option don't show.

[Ocho]

You already know a very seldom. Very seldom. But why even bring him in? Why, why even, why even bring them in? It makes no sense to me.

[Unc]

Yeah, because they know they're not going to use him in the capacity that in order to maximize him, you're going to have to use him in the capacity. And I don't know, I don't think, look, he's saying use him in the red zone and I think he still can be a valuable, a viable option in the red zone. But they're more apt to run the ball and when they do throw it, I mean he had him a couple of times. I mean Lamar missed him a few times, but for the most part they're not putting him in situations where he can succeed.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

Which is the red zone. He's, oh, he's never been a guy that had blinding speed, so he's, he's, he's even less fast than he was when he came into the lead.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Unc]

But he still has great hands. He still has a huge catch radius. So that's why he's saying give me the red zone, give me some opportunities, let me high point the ball. Back shoulder me. Yeah. All those things I can still do at elite level. Go ahead.

[Ocho]

I say. And this, this is the difference between the Ravens offense and how you mentioned devonte Adams, right? Yeah. He led the NFL in touchdowns if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, well, yeah.

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

They throw the ball so much over there and devonte Adams is still so good, obviously still the best. He's actually still the best route runner in the league. Obviously throw a Bon Ross St. Brown in there as well, who's mainly in the slot. But on when it comes to outside receivers and it comes to running routes, Devonte is still that guy. Which is why his numbers look the way they did and they throw the ball so goddamn much over there in la. So I think that, that, that also it kind of hurts being the fifth option down there in Baltimore.

[Unc]

It does. But plus you looking at Matthew Stafford, how many back shoulders has he thrown to Calvin Johnson? So now he gets a guy that's not as big as Calvin Johnson but can throw the back shoulder and it's just automatic. Devonte is one of the back shoulder best back shoulder catchers in all of football.

[Ocho]

Especially with Aaron Rogers.

[Unc]

Him and Aaron, you, you, you can't stop it cuz if you behind him, he gonna throw it over the top. If you on top of him, he gonna throw it behind you. So I'm like you, but you like. Okay, well, Dale coach what you want me to do. And like you said, he's still an elite route runner. Yes, he still can get it. But it, it's. But they, they, they're two different receivers. People don't look at people still believe that Devonte. That's why he's making max dollars. He's making 20, 25 million dollars a year. 20 million dollars a year because they still believe he's a viable option. That at worst case scenario he can be a 2, possibly a 1 if Puka goes out. Remember at Jacksonville ocho, he had three touchdowns. How many games we see him with? Three, two touchdowns. He, I mean he got 14 touchdowns and he missed a couple of games. Yeah, he's still the guy. He's still. He's a. Some guys are just touchdown magnets. Tio and Randy, Chris Carter, Jerry, those guys. I give you another guy, Antonio Gates. Man, I can never go like Gates. I don't know. I mean like, I'm like, damn. I said, man, I'll be watching Gates. I'm like, well, damn. I had retired when he became what he became. And I'm looking at him, I'm like, damn. I. They get the ball down the red, they get down to 10. They throwing it to him. They like, we'll go get open option away. They run zarro route. They run options, they run stick. They run choice. I'm like, well, damn. But some guys can just score. Have that ability to just score the damn football. They have that ability. Ojo, you and I were yardage guys. We gonna get yardage. We might have six for a buck 20 and no touchdown. Somebody else go come along and have three for 75 and two touchdowns. But, but that's the way it is. I, I know he's, he's frustrated, but once you start bouncing around. Ocho, he's in Kansas City and you remember he was at the, he was in Tennessee, now he's in Baltimore. That. It's just, it's just a matter if, if I'm him and I wanna, and I wanna, you know, stay in the league.

[Ocho]

Would you hang. Would you hang it up?

[Unc]

Not. Nope. Not complaining.

[Ocho]

Well, he never complained before. He doesn't even. Hell d. Hop. Don't even talk.

[Unc]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ocho]

Unless you know him personally and you actually have a conversation with him. He remind me of Troy Palomalu or remind me of Chris Henry, you know, God rest in peace individuals that play the game. And you Never ever hear them talk. I think the last time I heard D hop talk is seeing him in person. And then obviously when him and goddamn d' Angelo hall got into it, was that hard?

[Unc]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That practice, that's crazy.

[Ocho]

Oh, man. Hey, they, that's the first time I ever heard him talk.

[Unc]

So it, look, I think the wide receivers in that type of a system, the likelihood of them having oo, they're not about to have no 10, 12 touchdowns. Like you see Devonte and some of these other receivers, that's, that's not their offense. Their offense is not like that. Yeah, it's a spreaded around offense. You know, the tight ends might have, between the two of them might have seven, eight touchdowns. Between the two of them, they might have four or five touchdowns. The back's gonna have a couple of touchdowns. But they, they're not, they're not a guy, they're not like Devonte gonna have eight. One guy gonna have 18 touchdowns.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

That means that that's not, that's not their offense. Right. And there's nothing wrong with that. Because if you think it'd have been interesting to see. Give me when, when Lamar had 41 touchdowns. Let's see the distribution of what, how it was spread out. God, you know, hey, somebody's gonna have, when somebody, when a quarterback throws for a bunch of touchdowns, somebody's gonna have 15. Somebody gonna have 14, 15 to 18. You look at when, when you remember oo, remember Joe Burrow a couple of years ago? Oh yeah, we led the league. Chase had 17.

[Ocho]

Say, has 17. Yeah.

[Unc]

Hey, you ain't fit to handle two guys with 17. The quarterback gonna throw for 70 touchdowns then.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

So Andrews had 11, Bateman had nine. Like likely had six.

[Ocho]

Wait, Bateman had nine last year?

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, that was a, that was a quiet nine.

[Unc]

Yeah, yeah. Damn. So you see one guy double figures, one guy almost in double figures, and then you have 11, 9, 6, 4, and then it's spread out, duck down to the running back. You know, Henry might have had two and then Mitchell might have had one or two, something like that. So I, I, look, I, I, I get his, I get his, I get his frustration. In our minds, we're the last, we're the last ones to see it, Ocho. We're absolutely the last one to see it starts to, to dissipate. We still, we still holding on, Ocho. We still remember what we used to be. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but hey, but, but you know what? Even if he's a shell of Himself. That shell of himself is still good.

[Unc]

Yeah, it is.

[Ocho]

It's still good. And you mentally, you feel like you can still do it. You just understand, Just give me the opportunities.

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Just give me the opportunities.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Why bring me in and not use me? What am I doing here? Veteran presence, leadership. Yeah, Come on, you get, you got. I don't want. I don't want to steal money. I want to earn what you're paying me.

[Unc]

Hey, Ocho, you know, we get older, you know, your boy used to aim, put the hammer down. You know what I'm saying? I put the hammer down on choke. Now I'll be sweating for no reason. Damn. Hella yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying, don't you? You know, hey, it happens when you younger. Hey, now they getting up there cleaning up the house. They washing a load of clothes. I mean, well, damn, y' all got that kind of energy. Yeah, I'm sprawled. Hey, Ocho, they got crime scene tape around me. I date. They don't. They wash two loads of clothes. They up there cooking. They do what you. I'm like, well, God dang. Oh, man. Hey, I know I ain't the only one. Y' all laughing. I know I ain't the only one, chat. I'm just saying, I mean, laying on your life, it ain't used to be like that low.

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[Ocho]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

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[Unc]

Troy Aikman thinks one rule designed to reduce wear and tear on the players bodies maybe actually cause some of the injuries. Back then you did two A days, that kind of heat. Two day after day after day, two practices in full pass, no restriction. Probably for the better. The players aren't as taxed as they were. But Aikman added that there is a trade off. Players aren't physically prepared to start the season. But some of it we have to do a lot with. The reason I think so many injuries, especially early in the year, a lot of soft tissue injuries, a lot of muscle pulls and things of that nature, is that the players are just not able to train the way they once did. They're not able to callous their bodies as easily now that their training is hard all the time, all that. But it's a different training on your own as opposed to being on the football field practicing football movements. Ocho, you and I been saying that now see, we've been saying that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, same thing. Same thing he just said in a different way. You know, obviously I think they, we, they don't train enough. Again he used the word I always use about being able to callous the body. Being able to callous the body so it's able to withstand going from 0 to 100 on game day as opposed to the way practices are. They'd be out. I mean they'd be half assing Joe. I mean, no, no disrespect to the way things are right now, but yeah, I mean call a spade a spade. It is what it is. I don't think they practice the same way we used to practice back then. Obviously injuries are going to happen. Injuries are going to happen, but at the, they're happening now at an alarming rate and there has to be something, something to it. I think it may be what they do in the off season, maybe what they do in training camp, maybe it's not enough. But I mean with the way they've asked for a little bit more leniency when it comes to the hours that are spent on the practice field. I mean this is what you get in a sense.

[Unc]

Yeah. I'm just a firm believer. I agree with Troy. Our bodies were a lot more calloused because we did a lot more in the beginning. We would put you on the ground, but then you still thudded up. As we kind of moved towards. Got towards the middle 90s and things of that nature, we thudded up. We didn't really take it to the ground, but your body's got used to that. You ask these guys to go 50 miles an hour all week long, and then come Sunday, go 100. Yeah, that's hard. You. You've got to tell. You've got to put that car to the test at some point in time. You got to open it up, Ocho, to see what it'll do. Yeah, yeah. But they go out there, let's meet, let's walk through. Let's meet. Let's walk through. Ain't no damn meeting to walk through on Sunday. You got to put your. You got to put your body under the gun, right? If you want the body. If you want the body to respond to a certain nuke stimuli, you got to put the body under that stimuli.

[Ocho]

Got you.

[Unc]

Yeah. And I. I don't get it, but, you know, but they wanted. They want to do hide knee and A, skips and B, skips and. And they want to do all that, and I get it.

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[Unc]

I get it. I get it. Hey, but come on, now. You play football? Yeah, yeah, football put wear and tear on your body.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it does.

[Unc]

They put helmet on you, they put pads on you. Hey, they tackle your ass to the ground. And that nice speed and that hot knee action. I get all that. But what good is that on your. If your body, as soon as somebody hits you, you shatter like ice hitting the floor. I. Hey, listen, that's why they talk about. It's kind of the same thing in basketball. That's why they talking about, man, we need to cut it down. Yeah, but they ain't gonna take 10 games worth of salary off. There we go. There we go. There we go. So, you know, I agree with y', all, though. I just think, like Troy said, that their body's not as callous, you know, as it was back in the day. Like, bro, this all we did. And, yeah, like, nowadays, all you see is walkthroughs and playtime and practice. And then, like you say, when game time come now, you gotta rev it up to this height that you ain't accustomed to getting it to, and this is what causes the injuries. Yeah, we just. I mean, shit was live. I mean, we hit during the week. 907 was real. We was pad. I mean, we had pads on Wednesday and Thursday, and you had on shorts and shoulder pads on Friday. That was my first three years. That was my first three years. Even 7 070, they thudded. It wasn't like, guys touch you on the waist now. Oh, no, no, sir. Yeah. Hey, you caught a comeback and you caught something. The DBs came in, they put that. Put them pads on. You square them up. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Just let you know I'm here.

[Unc]

That contact. But. But now that's not. And I. Look, I get it. It's a different time now. I think Coach Saban, I mean, maybe those old school college coaches did like what we did in the 90s coming along. Cuz Bill Davis ain't Bull job, bro. We was out there two and a half hours and we were getting it. And y' all know if you in the south, you know, it's hot, hot, and somebody pass out, move the pile, they tend to him back there, we move up 10. Hey, if he got hurt on the defensive side, we move back 20 yards. If he hurt on the opposite side, we moved up 10 yards. But you not finna stop nothing.

[Ocho]

Yeah, the show doesn't stop, bro.

[Unc]

Man, we have guys having seizures. He gonna be okay. He gonna be okay. Dude. Foaming at the mouth and everything. Go choke. We ain't stopping no practice. Who break a leg or something? Break her arm. You ain't no practice.

[Ocho]

Nah. Hey, hey, hey. We gonna come pat you on the helmet.

[Unc]

You okay?

[Ocho]

Make sure you good that. That whistle blow. Hey, yeah.

[Unc]

Y' all ever have teammates come in today? They'd be like, hey, hey, sharp. Hey, Ocho, I ain't got it today. I'm from fake meal injury today. I ain't got it today, man. No, Joe. But my first year, we did have a lot of guys. Because like I said, Coach Davis told us the first day we met, we met. We had a big old meeting. Coach Davis said, I got 60, 65 uniforms. Top, we had 110 guys, right? Coach Davis said I gotta trim the fat. I had never heard that saying before. Yeah. In other words, he only wanted lean meat. All that. All that fat wasn't gonna be there. So the first day, before we even started practice, we had 30 minutes of running gases.

[Ocho]

Oh, wait, hold on. Sideline and sideline.

[Unc]

Over was one over, back right, over, back, over. We went all the way to seven.

[Ocho]

Oh, twice.

[Unc]

Then we started practice with calisthenics.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, okay, he tripping.

[Unc]

And then we had a two hour practice. Man, you ought to heard all them cars cranking up in the middle of night. Joe and Ocho, all you heard was Foot Locker slamming.

[Ocho]

At tripping. That's a lot.

[Unc]

Hey, boy, look. They remind me of college, man. I ain't never worked that hard in my life. Yes. First. Hey, hey. The first 45 minutes to an hour practice, you don't even touch a basketball. It's straight conditioning, okay? I'm talking about straight conditioning, medicine ball. I'm talking about. We used to use a basketball, but it was halfway filled with water, right? Like, man, you. We had all type of. He had all type of mind games we were playing. Boy, when you get to college, boy, it got real. But that's the thing. But that's the thing. So what you want us to do? You better. The thing is, is that growing up, Ocho, we. We didn't have people. I'm sure it did, but I didn't hear about it. But we didn't have the media like this. But you conditioned your body to the sun. Cause you was out in the sun. You worked in the sun. You played in the sun all the time. You weren't on no video games. And then all of a sudden, think you gonna get your ass out there in triple degree heat for two, for five hours a day and gonna be okay. You. You had already conditioned your body to get used to that level of heat. What?

[Ocho]

Ready for it, bro?

[Unc]

Hey, you. Hey. You get dehydrated, you get woozy? Hey, Bill said go sit up under the tree. Hey, son, you all right? Come on. What don't you just. You were done for the rest of the practice. Oh, no. You better sit your ass off about 5, 10 minutes and get back in there. I'm. Look, it's a different time now. I understand. You can't practice like that. Because when I was. We still do in Oklahoma. We did bully in the ring. We did half line. We did all that.

[Ocho]

I remember that.

[Unc]

All that.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. I used to do bully in the ring, Joe.

[Unc]

Hey, what's the bully in the ring? That's the one where you lay down. Hey, nah. You put one guy in the ring, and everybody else circled around him, and everybody got him. And he just calling, and you just got to keep turning right around. You got to keep moving your feet. Oh, he called the number. And that dude come and charge you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

And what you got? Stopping. Stop it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got to anchor. You got Joe.

[Unc]

You got to anchor down, Joe. Hey, I'm the bull, and I'm in the ring. Come on with it. Yeah,

[Ocho]

I used to do it. I used to do it with the dbs. Yeah, you know. You know, physicality wasn't My. Wasn't my strong suit. You know, being strong wasn't my strong suit, Joe, but that goddamn bullet in

[Unc]

the ring, you should get right now.

[Ocho]

I ain't had no choice but to get right, Joe. I had no choice. I had. I had to anchor down, boy. I had to anchor down. But I'll be the first one to tell you, boy, that was not my strength, boy, at all. Like. Like. No, no lie, uncle.

[Unc]

What you look like in that bull in the ring. When it came to dbs and safety for me, I make them turn it down. I make them turn it all the way down. As anybody at Savannah State from 1986 to 1989. Who be sharp in bull in the ring? Who be sharp in Oklahoma? I make them turn it down. They none of them seeing me. None of them. They want. They want none of that smoke. Not one. One. Dude, he came from a junior college talking. Hey. Cause I showed up late. I showed up late because it was my senior year. I showed up. I already done called Coach Davis. I said, coach Davis, I would be late because I want to make an entrance. Ocho, I was chills or not. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yo, I was chill.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

Yeah. Your boy227. I probably showed up about five and a half, maybe six percent body fat.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Unc]

I've been in the sun. So, Okay, I'm in the sun. That's my skin right here. That's what I'm looking like. That's what I'm looking like, Jordan. Ocho, I've been the sun all summer long. So when I get there, they say, man, this guy, this DB Sharp, man, he talking crazy. I said, what are you saying? Yeah. He said, man, Sharp ain't gonna get nothing on me. He cannot run, he ain't strong as me, and he cannot jump. I said, okay, first day. Hey, Bill say, we're gonna see. We're gonna see how tough everybody is today. So we get to practice. We get to practice. So I'm thinking, okay, we gonna. We gonna thud up and we gonna do. I said, coach Davis, we could. We catching it pass today. Coach Davis said, hell, no, holmes. It's nut cutting time. I called the trainer. I said, come take my thumbs up because I ain't want to mess my thumbs up. I said, take your thumbs up. I'm up first.

[Ocho]

Oh, for you. When you. When you grab in tight, I'm up first.

[Unc]

Yes, sir. So what he got to do? Okay, they blow the whistle, you backpedal. Hey, hey, you backpedal. And then Come. He backpedal Joe Ocho. And like, when he tried to come forward, he slipped just a little bit. And when he. Yeah, by the time he got ready to get up, I had my knee in his chest. So I picked his head with my knee and I got him just like this here.

[Ocho]

Yeah. So.

[Unc]

All your. Ooh, everybody hit me on my head. I said, that's it. I'm done.

[Ocho]

You were done, huh?

[Unc]

You say you had to make a statement, bro. You're not finna how you. You just got here. Do you know, bro, you finna come in here and try to show and talk reckless to me, right? Honestly, I tried to kill him. I tried to put him through the ground. He ain't never. He ain't never say anything else to me after that.

[Ocho]

It was a rap.

[Unc]

Nothing.

[Ocho]

Hey, once you.

[Unc]

Like I said that I take anybody that went to Savannah State or know somebody went to Savannah State, ask him about Sean and bullying the ring of Oklahoma, I guarantee you won't even say, man. Man, somebody such and such. I guarantee you won't find nobody to tell you they beat me. Why didn't we.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. My favorite one. I wasn't good at bullying the ring, but when it's time. When it's time for one on one, you. You don't gotta. You ain't got to play all. Come on. Come on up here, Joe. Hey, Joe. I take a rep, Joe.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And when my rep over somebody else would go, normally it's tj. TJ would go. I jump right back in line. I take all the one on one rep, Joe. Hey, I mean, it was. It was. It was so funny. It's like I. I enjoyed that. That was my only time where I got to work with the number ones. I got to work with the number one DBs, because obviously once you go to seven on seven and you go to 11v11, it's scout team. So I wanted. I wanted. I wanted my number one DBs that I would be facing, you know, Jonathan Joseph, Delton o', Neal, Tory James, you know.

[Unc]

Oh, you know Delta. I played with Delta. I played with Tory.

[Ocho]

Oh, you did? Remember Jeff Burst?

[Unc]

Remember Jeff from Notre Dame, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unc]

I didn't play. I didn't play with him, but Tory and Delta was with me in. In Denver.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, in Denver.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Joe. So that. That was my time to get my best work in, Joe. Because I don't get to see them boys during practice. Yeah, yeah, man. I'm talking about. Joe. I still. If we. If, if, if, if. Goddamn One on one was 10 minutes, Joe. I got about nine minutes worth of one on one. I took all I took.

[Unc]

I was like that in the league. When I was a wide receiver, we had a D. We had a drill. So you had to, like, start. You know, you try to. So they had a dummy back there. So the DB trying to start, and he tried to push through you to touch the dummy. You know, it's like, man, who gonna go against sharp? So, you know, I'm a rookie. You know, everybody like, hey, I would go against the rookie.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

I'm saying in my head, they think I'm so. So, you know, hey, I stalked and everything. I hold him off and, you know, I let him go. And the db, he touched the dummy. I say, nobody else will ever touch this dummy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

Ask. I tell you what. Go ask anybody. When I was a wide receiver my rookie year, when I. From that point on, did anybody ever touch that dummy again, will you. You would drag him to the ground. You got to come through me to touch the dummy. You could do whatever you want to do. You could shake and do whatever you want. You just. I just can't let you touch that dummy. Because the dummy is the running back.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Unc]

You was doing security. And then he got mad. Cause what I did, he. He shouldn't have touched the dummy. Cause I had done gave up. And so we went to run on one drill. I beat him. And the. You know what I used to hurt Ocho? When somebody clicked the back of your heel and it tied you up and you fall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He did that. It's on purpose.

[Ocho]

You fail. You slapped him in the helmet.

[Unc]

Did I? I tried to slap his face mask off. No, you did it on purpose. I know you did. I don't play like that. If you beat me, you beat me. I'm mad enough to say, good job. Hey, hey. We're gonna say we'll get an opportunity to do it again. But I don't play that cheap stuff.

[Ocho]

Right. Yeah. Hey, tripping. Me tripping because you got beat.

[Unc]

Yeah. Yeah. It happens. You gotta realize he a pro, too. Yeah. Getting the check, Joe. He getting a check. Yeah. But don't. Don't. Don't do nothing dirty. Cause, hey, I ain't gonna stop. They end up getting one of us. Gotta go.

[Ocho]

Oh, them some good days.

[Unc]

I agree with Troy, Ocho and Joe. We don't care. They don't count as their bodies like we once did. And you see a lot of these, Andrew. You see a lot of hamstrings you see a lot of groins, you see a lot of calves, you see a lot of soft tissues because your body isn't used to that kind of torque under that kind of duress. You got to get your body used to it. It's just like anything. If you want to go out there in the sun, you just can't say, you know what, Ocho, man, I'm just gonna go out there in the sun. That sun don't play. But we. I was used to that. I worked outside my. I've never had an inside job. Until I retired from league, all my jobs required me to be. If I have my black ass outside in the sun, in the cold, in the rain, it didn't matter. So I was used to. To conditions and elements. You ain't used to it and say, you know what? Yeah, I'm gonna go out there and I'mma practice. It's gonna be 100 degrees. What? And when we. The high school. Oo. Y' all had two a days in high school?

[Ocho]

Yes, yes.

[Unc]

Two days. I couldn't miss no work because you know it. I wasn't on those. I have no salary, Joe, you didn't show up to work, you didn't get paid. I told him, I said, hey, y' all want me to play? Y' all need to have practice before I got to go to work. I got to be to work at 7 o'.

[Ocho]

Clock.

[Unc]

Guess what time we got practice? 5:15 or Shannon Sharp ain't coming. Cause Mayor Porter ain't gonna have me out here practicing and. And missed. And missed this 16 work. Yeah. No, sir.

[Ocho]

No, sir.

[Unc]

So you got a choice. We can practice at 5:15. Hey, I get you a good. Get you a good hour and a half, and I get to work at 7 or Shannon Sharp ain't coming. It's really that simple. I see y' all come when the season start. Man, why we gotta practice? Why we gotta practice at 5:15? Cause I'm him and you not. That's why. Straight up. Straight up. Yeah, but there were the days, Ocho, that's like, shh. Hey, I mean, Ocho, think about it. You go to practice and then go to work. Yeah, that's. That's. At a young age like that, you get lunch, then you go back to work, and then you got practice that evening. Yep. Man, please. Oh, yo, check this out. Super Bowl Seahawks. Super bowl champion. Byron Murphy was walking around with the Lombardi trophy at his wedding this weekend. Let's take a look at the video, y'. All.

[Ocho]

Hey, that hey, that's dope, huh?

[Unc]

I think they. They started to treat the Lombardi Trophy like they do the Stanley cup, where everybody get an opportunity to keep it for a day.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Unc]

I like that.

[Ocho]

Is that. Was that. Was that the actual trophy, or you think that was an ex. Okay. Hey, that's live.

[Unc]

Yeah. You know, ain't nothing left for me to do.

[Ocho]

Hey, I have a question.

[Unc]

Ain't nothing left for me to do but don't. Hey. Go to do that thing. Ocho. Hold on.

[Ocho]

See, that's. That's what. That's what I understand. So those are replicas like you have, right?

[Unc]

No, you look, John got the og. Most people get the little minis, right?

[Ocho]

But me, what those run, huh?

[Unc]

I don't know. This was gifted to me.

[Ocho]

You know what I'm have? I'm gonna give me one of them made, too, in gold. I'm gonna get them. I'm getting one. I'm gonna get one of the. Made in gold, man. Yeah.

[Unc]

What made it go into Lombardia Silver.

[Ocho]

The same way I got my bus and gold and the buses is bronze.

[Unc]

Bronze.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. So I want everything to be gold.

[Unc]

The one that they keep give you is made out of wood. The one that they put in the hall. It is. The one that's. The one that's in the hall is the bronze one. The one they give you is the wood. But I'm gonna donate mine to Savannah State. For real? Yeah. And my jacket.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Unc]

Cause I ain't got but one jacket. What I'm gonna do, get one. Get a jacket to the kid. Get one jacket to the kid. Give the hall of Fame ring to a kid. Nah, that's gonna go to Savannah State. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get a ring, the jacket, and the bus to Savannah State. The kids get enough stuff. Trust me. They get enough. They'll be okay. Yeah, they'll be okay. Oh, yeah. So that's what I'm gonna do. I'll have. I have my sumo trophy at my wedding. Who all coming?

[Ocho]

Hey, we. We. We get.

[Unc]

We.

[Ocho]

You get married next year, huh?

[Unc]

Yep.

[Ocho]

We gonna do the dude wedding or. No?

[Unc]

We could do that, you know.

[Ocho]

You know, we get a discount.

[Unc]

Yeah. But, you know, right now, Ocho, I've come to the realization I'm done being with somebody that I have fun with. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is. This is the very. This is the very pivotal moment. Yeah, like, I like where you're going. That's. Wait, wait, let me Let me get comfortable now. Talk to me.

[Unc]

I found somebody that I can, I can suffer with, I can endure with. Because you can have fun with anybody, right?

[Ocho]

Come on now.

[Unc]

You have fun with anybody.

[Ocho]

Take your.

[Unc]

Say you're going to the Amalfi coach. Say you go into Tahiti. Say you go into Santorini, Amikonos, Bali. You have fun, right? When you come to suffering, when it comes to enduring.

[Ocho]

Come on now.

[Unc]

Who you want to do that with? Who would do that with you?

[Ocho]

I got, I got, I got a question, though. I got a question now. When you say you found someone you can suffer with. Yeah. You got somebody you can have fun with?

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know what that's like?

[Unc]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know what it's like when the sun is shining, but when it's cloudy and it's storming and it's raining?

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They got the umbrella for you.

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

How you even got to that point to realize that? Because most of the time when it's storming and thunder. When it's thundering and lightning.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Most of the time everything goes this way.

[Unc]

Because when you laying there and she say, baby, I'm counting your breath. Breathe. Nobody else has ever done that.

[Ocho]

Come on now.

[Unc]

This uncle Don't. Your last ride. Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

I, I like that.

[Unc]

Listen, Jesse James, we going out one land, right?

[Ocho]

Hey, I, I, I, I like that. I never heard, I never heard that one before. I never heard that one before. I like that. Like mo most of the time. You know, my grandma always say, find someone, Find someone that's willing to unpack your baggage because we all got it, we all come with it. Yeah, we all do. The hard part is finding someone's baggage to unpack. And most of the time, once you unpack it, when things go rough, ah, you know, you pack, they send you and you try, you try on, you keep moving on and think is something else is better.

[Unc]

Yep. That's always been my thing. Ocho, your thoughts. That's what made us who we are. Yeah. Even though when I made the pro boat, I thought I could be better. Even when I made all pro, I thought I could be better.

[Ocho]

Come on.

[Unc]

I had a thousand, a thousand yard season, I thought I could be better. A double digit touchdown season, I could be better. It was always when you're satisfied as a person you threw as an individual. So I was always trying to see to get better. To get better. To get better. Nah,

[Ocho]

you done. You, you waving a white flag, huh?

[Unc]

I can be. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

I can still. I can still search for greatness. And be content.

[Ocho]

I like that. So you got to search for that greatness in other areas, other aspects of your life.

[Unc]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's a good thing. I'm glad you got that piece of the puzzle filled in, man. I like that, man. I like that.

[Unc]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, I like that.

[Unc]

And you know, she don't. She don't know what o' Shea was like.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay.

[Unc]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Unc]

Oh, she used to go double overtime. Now. She didn't get the first quarter. She didn't get the first quarter on your. Hey, I get. I put up your quick ten.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you done.

[Unc]

She ain't know. I used to have a. Get a 40 point triple dub. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, I got. I got one more question.

[Unc]

Huh, with that.

[Ocho]

One more question. Now this. This is. This is for me. This is my therapy session. Because I like when we get on topics like this, right?

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Is there ever a timetable to decide when you know that's the one?

[Unc]

Yeah, I think it is.

[Ocho]

Six months, a year, two years.

[Unc]

I don't know. There's a time, I mean, I think you have a feeling and you're like, okay, when things go. You cut. It's got to go bad. Because when it's going good, when everything is good and you flying everywhere, you buying everything. And by the time you buy this purse and that purse.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yes, sir.

[Unc]

This. And you give that.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Unc]

Okay. When it goes bad,

[Ocho]

She's like, come on now.

[Unc]

It's bad. And I ain't. Hey, I ain't finna beat you down now. But we're gonna have a conversation, just so you know. We're gonna have a conversation. We're gonna talk.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Hey, I didn't. Hey, I. I get. I get. I get frustrated. Right. I'm at that point now when. When. When things are great. Oh, when it's great, it's great. Yes. And I avoid those conversations. I avoid those tough conversations because I. I. What's the word I'm looking for? I love. I love my peace. I'm not one that. I'm. I'm not one that really likes chaos now at my big age. So therefore, when. When. When I. When I see chaos, I kind of. I kind of go into a shell, right? And it's. It's so funny when I'm happy. I'm. I'm a talker, actually. I talk too goddamn much. And when I should be talking, I shut down instead of having those tough conversations that I should have.

[Unc]

I don't like having tough conversations. Either, Ocho.

[Ocho]

I don't, I gotta, I gotta work on that, man.

[Unc]

Yeah, we, I, I do. Everybody gotta. Because I don't, I don't, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, and it's just easy. I don't want to talk about it. You right. It ain't easy though, Ocho. Yeah, it damn sure not easy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but who you telling? What are you saying? It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, huh? And sometimes I think to myself, Sometimes I think to myself, if things are supposed to be this way, why does so much work. Why does so much work? Is it natural? It is supposed to be this way. I mean, I mean, there's so. There's so many unanswered questions, you know, And I don't know, I just.

[Unc]

Sometimes, Ocho, you could work like. And the reason why I equate a lot to, to sports is because, yes, I was good at it and I worked at it. And I. It's like, you know what? If I work at this, I could change this and I can be good at it. You can work for years and your relationship might not even get any better. Because the question is, is she working as hard as you are?

[Ocho]

That's a good one.

[Unc]

Are you working for the same goal? Because sometimes we get into an argument, Ocho, Me and you argue.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

So no, no, no, no, no. It ain't me and you. It's me and you versus the problem. There's a difference. We argue with amongst each other, we go back and forth, but the problem's still there. How about you and I double team this problem?

[Ocho]

Right?

[Unc]

What caused this?

[Ocho]

And most of the time the problem is, is me.

[Unc]

Yes. A lot of times, a lot of times the problem is us. A lot of times it's the situation where I'm a guy. Just tell me if you want something, if you want to do something. I don't like to have to figure it out. Figure it out. You.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right, right.

[Unc]

What you want to do, right? Just tell me. Because uncommunicated expectations will ruin a relationship because you have an expectation and you don't communicate what those expectations are. You assume I'm supposed to know. I have expectations. I assume you're supposed to know because you're at an age, you've dated before.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

You've been in relationships before. You've been in long term relationships before. Why do I need to walk you step by step? You was in a long term relationship. You just wasn't in it with Me. So I need to tell you what I expect from you. You need to tell me what you expect from me. So if we communicate these expectations, we're on the path to going somewhere. But when you don't have. When you have uncommunicated. When you don't tell me what you expect, I don't tell you what to expect. And then I'm swole because you didn't do what I expected you to do. What you didn't tell me.

[Ocho]

And. And that's one of the worst things with marriages, with relationships, with friendships. Is that one word. That one word? Because we. We expect certain things.

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

You have a title. Once a title comes with anything, with the title comes expectations. Most of the time, when it comes to humans, we always fall short.

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Human error is inevitable. No matter what aspect of life you're in with those expectations, then it becomes you trying to become somewhat of a character to meet the role that they want.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And that's hard because you're not even being yourself.

[Unc]

Nope.

[Ocho]

You have to change who you are to meet someone else's expectations.

[Unc]

How do you change? How? Because here's the. You got to be careful. Because changing who you are, you lose who you are.

[Ocho]

But that's what expectations are. No, because you can't be your true self. It's impossible to be your true self if you're supposed to meet someone else's expectations. That's not even originally you. You have to be the version of the way they view you. You have to be.

[Unc]

There's perception and there's reality. A person's perception of you is their reality. A person's perception of you, that's their reality. But that's not always the truth. So now how she perceives you, that is her reality. That could be the farthest thing from who you actually are.

[Ocho]

And which. Which is. Which is Normally the case 98 of the time. Women fall in love with the idea that they have in their head of you, not who you truly are, of

[Unc]

who they think a man should be, what he should do. You should open the door. You should buy candles. You should buy cars. You should be thoughtful. You should write poetry. That is the perception of what they think. That ain't who. When did I ever give you that? Give you that impression? That was who I was. This ain't no Harlequin novel. This ain't no Hallmark movie.

[Ocho]

Yeah, this ain't. Nope. The Notebook.

[Unc]

Hell, no.

[Ocho]

But I like it.

[Unc]

Damn, the Notebook. This ain't even tablet.

[Ocho]

But you know what? I do like I I love becoming a better version of myself for the individual that you. Me in whatever way they do.

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

How do. How do I become that version of me or the. The version of. In which you view me as.

[Unc]

How do I. How do I become the best version for you without losing me. Me?

[Ocho]

Because most of the time, one of the hardest things to do. The two hardest things to do. Chat. You've heard me say it before. Two of the hardest things to do is to hit a baseball.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And to keep a woman happy long term. Because in turn. And trying to keep a woman happy long term, you have to lose a sense of self.

[Unc]

You do. Men are willing to do that. How many times your man says, well, you know, hey, what, you know, this is what she wanted. She don't want me to go out with my ocho ocho. I gotta cut back. She don't want me to drink. I gotta cut back. She don't want me over the time of my in laws.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Unc]

What do women say? I would like this when you met me. You ain't have a problem with it. You see, men are willing to change for the woman that a man loves. He will change that. Joe will cut off his family, he'll cut off his friends. He'll do whatever to make her happy. It goes back to biblical.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

Samson told Delilah where his strength lied for a reason. Adam, you know, Adam did what he did for a reason. David did what he did to Bathsheba's up for a reason. Just saying.

[Ocho]

Hey. Hey. That was a good therapy session. I like that.

[Unc]

Yeah. You know, we, you know, we do.

[Ocho]

That was a good. That was a good therapy session.

[Unc]

Yeah.

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