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it's your favorite UNC here. Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of Nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports. Stay for the story. 30 years since the Cowboys last Super bowl appearance, Jerry Jones says he had let the fans down with his team's championship drought. Jerry said, I really can't accept just the thought of winning one super bowl and then what? I've got more time on my clock than in my mind and so I don't see it that way. I see a chance to put the team together and basically be knocking at the edge and get another one or get another chance at another one. It runs that. It runs that way in my view. Make no mistake about it. If you told me I could because I've done a lot of hitchhiking in my life and I like to start you right now and hitchhike back to Dallas to win a Super Bowl. After 791 finish in 2025, Jerry promised changes. One chain will be the team's approach in free agency. Jerry said, I would bet you that we'll spend more money in free agency than we have. He talked about Ocho. They're going to redo the restructure contracts of CD Tyler Smith and Dak Prescott that a free 60 plus million. Now they also talked about doing something with the 3D tackles contract that might free up another 20, 30 million dollars. Now you would have to overspend for George Pickens. We know that you Know that. I know that you're gonna have to overspend, but you should be okay with that. You brought a new. I think. Aren't they going to. I think they're going to a 3, 4. Like they go into a 34 defense, right? You go whatever you want. You can go to a 34, you can go to a 25. You can go through a 335. You better have some hell Razors over there.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, you got to. You need three. I'm g. Say it over and over again. I'm not sure why. Jerry always does this at every offseason. Gets everybody hyped up, says all these things that he's going to do. Doesn't really do them. He never really does them. No, he never really does it, man. He gets everybody excited because they always believe in some of the things that he says over the years because he.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Commencing now. Hell, he had me believe. I'm like, damn, Jerry about to spin it for ages. Henry, I mean, you played Javonte Williams 6 me. You could have had Derek Henry for 8. Never mind. But go ahead, Ocho. I see what you said.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, but, but, but, but listen, we all know what the Cowboys problems are. We always know the Cowboy struggles are. It's never been on the offensive side of the ball, never been off inside of the ball. They've had great offense, but the issues of boys, their Achilles heel has always been on the defensive end. So again, obviously you, you've. You've. You've made some moves, you know, in the interior, but that's cool. But you still need impact players. You need one on the, on the outside.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah, for sure.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
You need another one in your back line. You know, your secondary, you need. You need someone to, to anchor, to anchor that defense, you know, in the secondary. I mean, you don't have that. There's so many.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You mean.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Definitely.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Bland got to play better. He needs to play. Have the type of season that he played to get that contract. Ocho, right. You remember, he's picking up everything, taking it to the house. He. The PBUS on point. He needs to play. He needs to have that type of season again. They need a backer. They need an inside backer. They need an inside backer. They do.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
They hadn't had one in a very long time. Van Once Vanden Bosch, the wolf hunter got hurt and continuously had the neck issues and had to retire. Yeah, they haven't had somebody in that position, but they got to get a hellraiser in that position. And as you said, they Got to get somebody to go hunt the quarterback.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, man, it's tough. I'm excited. I mean, I'm excited for the Cowboys. I'm not a Cowboy fan. I'm a fan of the players that play for the Cowboys. There's a difference.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I get you.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
So I'm excited for Dak and what they're going to do. I'm excited for CD And I'm very, very excited because he's been through a lot, obviously, based on what it. He's caused most of it. But I'm excited for pickings as well, you know, to have a season, whether it's in Dallas, whether somewhere else. I just, I just know he. He deserves to. To get his. Like everyone else has already gotten. That has came out with him. So hopefully Jerry does right by him. The fans obviously believe in the organization. They believe in Jerry even though, you know, things haven't worked out the past 30 plus years and not having any success. So, I mean, listen, you can be good, Ocho.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You don't realize how successful you can be as long as you don't care who gets the credit. Hey, you see, it's a great. You see that situation in Seattle. You see the situation in, in, in, in. In the Rams.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Less need and, and, and, and, and McVeigh, John Schneider, McDonald, Brett Veach, Andy Reid. You look at Howie and what. Whatever. Howie Roseman in Philly. And, and, and what's the guy's name, the coach of Philly?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Who? Sirianni.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah, Sirianni. But, yo, as long as you don't care who gets the credit, you'll be right. Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, man.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Jerry said he would hitchhike back to Dallas to win a Super Bowl. Jerry, you said a couple of years ago, hey, you don't know the right, the, the size of check I would write if you would guarantee me a Super Bowl. Well, ain't no guarantee. That's the thing we love about sports. Ain't no guarantee. No, no, ain't no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And it's easy for you to hitchhike. Hell, everybody go pick your ass up because they recognize who you are.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
You got. You got to be careful. Are they picking up for the right reasons or for the wrong reasons?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can't believe people still actually hitchhike. I mean, I see people. I mean, it used to be a big thing when I was a kid, Ocho. I mean, yeah, grew up in. I grew up and came up in late 60s, early 70s when hitchhiking was really A thing. And people, like, hitchhike. Where you going? Well, I'm headed. Okay, I'm headed that way.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I'm headed that way, too.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah. What the hell?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey. Today?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Hell, no.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Ain't no telling what's gonna happen to you.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
It's way, way, way too dangerous. So we're gonna see what Jerry Jared says. They're gonna spend more money than they have, which is not true. Nobody has more money than the Cowboys. Nobody has more money than the Cowboys, but we're gonna see. They're gonna need to do something with Steel. I don't know. If they restructured his contract, maybe they release him, I don't know. But they have said that Dak cd, Tyler Smith restructures. They're gonna look at the. Restructured. Those 3D tackles, that's a great start. But they need corn. They need great, great, exemplary quarterback play. They need a hellraiser in the middle of the defense, and they need an edge. They need an edge now. I don't know if they're gonna go with Trey Hendrickson in free agency. I don't know. I don't think that D lineman, I think his name was Blaine, that ran like, four, six from Texas Tech. He was booking. He was booking, so I think that's who it was. But Cowboys, y' all gotta keep Dak healthy. That's your best chance. Keep Dak healthy and upright. Upright and healthy. But your defense, you can't have your offense score 35 and your defense give up 38. It's time. It's time. Up for that, Ocho. Yeah, but I, I, I. Look, you know, they got two quality receivers. Ferguson, look, he's solid. He doesn't. He's not going to do anything extraordinary. I don't think he's a top five, top eight tight end, but he's solid. You know, you throw the ball, he'll catch it. Is he McBride or he one of these, you know, Harold Fanning Jr. He one of those guys. No, he's not. He's not. And Warren Loveland, he's not that. Hawkinson Laporta, he's not that, but he's a solid guy. He can make plays when given the opportunity, and he should have a lot of opportunity because you got those two guys outside. Yeah, but I had Aaron Rod. I said I was feasting. Oh, say I'm about to. Oh, I'm about to kill you today. My gosh. And Dak loves throwing to the tight end.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, yeah, that.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Loves throwing to the tight end. So this is. Look, Cowboys Y' all got some catching up to do. Because I don't believe the Rams step back. And based on the way. Less need for the Rams and John Schneider from the Seahawks, the way they draft and the way they put teams together, you know how he's going to have a bounce back year? They ain't going nowhere, bro. So. And it's t. It's T. A, the, the, the. The Lions get laporta back.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
So now he's in the mix with Amon Ra and J. Mo. So at worst case scenario, Cowboys, you start like, like the seventh of the eighth best team in the. In the nfc, Ocho, because you're not putting them in front of the Rams. You're not putting them in front of the. The Seahawks, you're not putting them in front of Chicago, you're not putting them in front of the Lions, you're not putting them in front of the Bears. I'm not sure you put them in front of the Packers. That's six teams right there. Are you putting them in front of the 49ers?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
No. You know what's funny?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Seven teams right there.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Only 17s make the playoffs. Oo.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. Outside of all those teams you made, outside of the 49ers and all those teams you named, all of them continue to get better year in and year out. Yes, defensively. Yes, defensively.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
So with that being said, Jerry, you got your work cut out for us. But you say you gonna write. You're gonna write some checks, man, we got to take it back to work. The man say he gonna do that. I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take it.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
He said. He said the same thing every year. He just says it in a different way to get you excited. Every year is something different every off season. You know what? They not talking about this enough. You know, let me come out and say something out the mood. The mood and needle.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Hey. And as soon as they win one game, everybody gonna say, we them boys. We still them boys. Y' all not though.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I like them.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
But hey, I. They. I tell. I give. Give them credit, Ocho.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
They don't drop the Kool Aid for so long.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, they. They believe in it. They believe in it. Hell, forgot I'm so. I'm starting to believe, too.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
We're gonna see what the Cowboys do 791 last year. Let's see if they can expand that in 2026. Bill's GM, Brandon Bean, is ready to forget about the past with Keon Coleman following an underwhelming start to the career. Being cited, Joe Brady's promotion to head coach and the arrivals of offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael Jr. And wide receivers coach Drew Terrell. Terrell. Terrell. As moves that will help Cole Keon have clean, clean slate. I think there is a new energy and it's year three and we're going to hit full reset with Keon. Keon had a very good off season last year and we honestly had a very good training camp. We played the Ravens in the first game and he had 100, whatever yards. And it's just some things from the maturity standpoint after that. But Keon has said all the right things. I give him this. He's very accountable. He's never made an excuse. We're all hands on deck and we're going to do our part. And I know Joe and those coaches are very excited for what's in store for year three. I agree. Yeah, you got to know, bro, if you do some things and you're not playing through your own fault, Ocho, you can't be on the field dancing. You just can't. You just can't. And that's what they were talking about, the maturity thing, right? I'm like, bro, really, the stuff that people find funny in your rookie year. Right. They're not going to find it funny
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
the second year and they definitely not gonna fight.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You don't really know. You don't know what you don't know. Right. But now, Ocho, they're gonna find it even less funnier in year three.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, you gotta get.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Because they're saying, hold on. All these guys that, bro, we, we expect you to be a thousand, a thousand yards. We expect you to be, you know, 85, 90, 100 catches. We expect you to be double digit touchdowns. That's what the expectations are.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, listen, he's one of those that can do that. He's one of those that can't do it. He has the size, he has the speed, he has the hands when he's locked in, you know, on. On to. To be able to be a complimentary piece, you know, for that offense. And he should be the go to guy. It's just about working on that craft. Not when you get in season, off season. This is where you get better. This is where you get good. This is where you polish up your game, you know, in the off season. Because once you get back, that ain't number F. F and I almost curse. That ain't nothing but X and nose, huh? That's all it is. It's exit and nose. You're already supposed to be able to in the off season. You want to go back with the mentality, how can I make everybody job around me easier?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yep.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
My quarterback. How can I make my officer coordinator job easy? You don't have to worry about me. I'm somebody you know you can count on. Every time it's time to call the play, but God damn, it's third and short. I don't know what to do. You know what? I can call on 85 because I know we're going to be open. I'm gonna call him. Just. Just make everybody else job around you easy. That should be every player's mentality in the off season. When I go back. They watch me in the offseason program, but God damn, who was this? Completely different. Completely different. Whatever. Whatever it may be.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Hey, you gonna have to get me the ball. I'm gonna make it so hard for you to want to go to throw to somebody else. You got to get me the ball. Call, play. Right, right, right, right. You're a 84. Gonna be first and second read in all the plays that you call. And even if I'm last read, you're looking at me first anyway, so. Because you know I'mma win. That's how he has to approach it. I. I agree, Brandon. Be said. Look, last year was last year, the year before, whatever the case may be. This is a new. This is a new reset. We got a new coaching staff. We know what this kid can do. We believe he'll have a. He had an excellent off season. He had an excellent training camp. He had an excellent first game. Okay? Those are some nice things to build on. Yeah. But you're not going to contain. They're not going to give you grace forever, Ocho.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You get. You get one year.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
You get one year. Especially if you don't have any issues and no hiccups. But if you have hiccups, you have issues and problems and you're not playing well, okay? Some got to give. Some got to give.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
So wish the young man all the best. But you got to take it serious. And you got to take it serious. All that joking and climbing around. That's. There's a time and a place for all that. Every time to play for all that.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, you're gonna be. He gonna be all right.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Take, take, take care of what you need to take care of.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Heard me? Huh?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Huh?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
You gonna be all right. He gonna be down here with me.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
All right.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. He g him and X. You know, I think I got, I got about seven more guys coming down with me for about a month. Yeah, about we get, we get a month. A month.
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Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Monstrous the Arizona Cardinals are reportedly extending expect to release Kyler Murray barring a last minute trade per Ian Rappaport Kyler is reported to receive interest from the Vikings as well as Pittsburgh New York Jets. Once Kyler hits free agency, the Vikings intend to bring another quarterback in to compete with JJ either to raise his level of play or to take the job outright. Well, if you bring Kyler Murray in there, he's probably gonna take the job outright.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
But anyway, Ocho, is Kyler Murray still a franchise quarterback?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Absolutely. He's, he's a franchise quarterback in the right situation. And I, I think about what certain teams need. I think Kyler Murray to the Vikings. I, I, I don't like that move. I like Kirk Cousins going back to the Vikings instead. Being a pocket passer based on the talents that they have around them. You think about Kyler Murray and Trey McBride right when Kyler Murray was quarterback. You look at the difference in when Brissette came in as a quarterback. You see how McBride's number change.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
See how the offensive play calling change based on having a pocket passer and not having someone who's like, who's a good quarterback in the right situation like Kyler Murray, who always has to be sprinted out with a left or with a right. So it changes everything. I like Kyler Murray with the Jets. I like him better with the jets because I think in that environment and what they have going on, I think he'd be better suited with ag but the, in the Vikings it just, it wouldn't make sense. It would make sense because now you're going to have the receivers pissed and angry again and you're going back into one situation where they're not getting the pro productivity that they would want.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
It's hard. And, and I've said this and it's hard play with a guy that runs the football because oo I'm running the comeback and the crowd screaming, I'm like what the hell they screaming for? And he over there like what the hell? I wrote, oh, I wrote a square and like wall. Wait a damn minute. It's hard to play with a guy like you said and you play with drop back quarterbacks and I play with drop back quarterbacks to know that. Okay, back foot hit. The ball's coming out. Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, on time, on time.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I understand that. Three step, five step, seven step. Now most guys, you know, they don't take seven steps anymore because very few teams have that guy up under center. Guys take, guys are taking fewer and fewer snaps even though Ben Johnson and, and, and, and his group still put the guy up under center. But for the most part we've Seen Stafford is up under center a lot too. Kyle Shanahan still has his guys, but for the most part they've gotten just as pure up under center guys are taking shotgun snaps at an all time high. With that being said, I mean, how this man get a super duper contract three, what, three years ago, Ocho. And here we are to release.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, put Ocho.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I trade. Because I already know you want to release him. I ain't giving you, I ain't giving you market value for him. I'm not. Because guess what? I get him and pay him what I want to say and not have to pick up that contract. I know you got to get real, Mocho. I know you got to.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, most definitely.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
So why, why, when I know you got to get off something, would I come in, hey, I'm gonna let you put the estate sale. I will let you put it on your yard, put it in your yard. And I come, I come look at it. But I'm not, I'm not gonna make you an offer on it. Yeah, I know you gotta get rid of it.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I mean, he's probably, he's probably gonna get released. Obviously there are going to be suitors. I just think offensively, from an offensive standpoint, you look at what Kirk Cousins did when he's with, with the Minnesota Vikings, and you look at Sam, what Sam Donald did when he was with the Minnesota Vikings.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yes.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Offensively, the production that the receivers had, you look at Kyler Murray when he had Trey McBride, the numbers weren't the same. Then all of a sudden, Jacoby Brissette is a quarterback and now Trey McBride goes crazy.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yes.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
So now that gives you a better understanding. Kyler Murray needs to be in the right situation, not a team. That's where you have that type of talent, where you have to, you have, you're throwing volume, you're doing. You're throwing volume passes. I think somewhere like the jets, where it's somewhat balanced, you know, you have Garrett Wilson, you have. I mean, Bree is coming back, right?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah, they say, I mean, it's being reported that they're gonna put the franchise tag on it if they can't get a deal done. A long term deal.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Okay. Okay. Yeah, I, I think, I think over there would be dope. I mean, it'd be the right situation for Kyler Murray. I think. Jess, fans, of course, knowing them, they'll probably say no. And I mean it, it is what it is.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
And you know, they got A.D. mitchell. Remember, they traded for A.D. mitchell.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, that's right. I like. I like A.D. yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
How are we gonna. How are we gonna view jj? Because this is going to be his third year. He didn't play his first year. He got nicked last year and missed a couple of games last year. How soon before we, like, okay, Ocho? I don't know.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
It ain't. It ain't really too soon. That ain't not gonna be too soon because obviously the patience is growing thin. The players offensively and those that are. That are seniority are gonna. They're gonna go frustrated. They're gonna get angry. Now, jealous. Was able to hold it together last year. How much longer do you think he's going to be able to hold it together? Even though he's a team player, He's a tease. A team player. But obviously their frustrations that go on when, as a team, collectively, you're struggling because the most important position is not playing well. And not only is he not playing well, when he is. When he's available, he's not playing well. He's always hurt. So, I mean, something. Something's gonna happen.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You know what happens? Cause he look around, he like, damn, chase had another 120k season. Damn hookah. JSN. This one that.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
And I know what I had when I had my quarterbacks the first two, three, four, five years like I had. Yeah. Now I feel like I'm running in mud.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
It lets you know how important that position is.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
He's like, hold on, Pick. Leave Pittsburgh and come over to a new team and Damn near get 1500, go crazy easy. I know I'd have had me a season. I'd have had me 17, 1800. Oh, hell no. Y' all better get somebody here before I start throwing breaking chairs. I don't want to do it, Ocho.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, hey. Oh, it's, ah. It. It sucks.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
It sucks because first thing. Because pretty soon y' all gonna start saying, at least right now, y' all still got me in that top five. But pretty soon, you like Ocho. I don't know. We could put jail. I don't know. We can keep Jetta the top five. Cause, hey, jsn. And we got Puka and we got Chase, and we got a. Hey, we got Pick and we got
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
CD
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I don't know. O. Yeah. And every everything yard, a thousand yards receiving ain't gonna keep you in the top five. You gotta be 13, 14, 15, 1600, 100, 105, 110, 115, 20 catches.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
That's what it. It is what it is. And we. And what in sports? The thing that I love about sports, Ocho, is that you got to constantly update your resume. This ain't no lifetime achievement award. Yeah, we'll give you a lifetime achievement award once you're done.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
That's what they give to Scorsese. That's what they give to Spielberg. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
And you see how it works.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Oscar for best director goes to. Who did it this year? I know. Jaws was great. E. T was unbelievable.
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Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Schindler's List was another outstanding movie. Was that gangs? What's that? With Leonardo DiCaprio? Scorsese did. We know what Scorsese. We know it's worked, but this year, he. He deserved the best director Oscar. Yeah. So that's kind of how we do it. We base everything. Okay. Yeah, we. We'll give you a grace.
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Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You know, you have a little. Obviously. Oh, Joe, you had a little op year. He bounced back. Right? But Chase keep turning them puka. Keep turning them JSN. He don't put that. This is. JSN went 100. Now he went 126.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Eight. 1793.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Chase. Another. Another outstanding season. Another 13, 1400. Another 120.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You got Puka, you got CD you got Chase.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
They gonna be all right. The Viking. The Vikings next move has to be their best move, especially at that position. It. It has, because the window of opportunity to contend is gonna close, especially with the defense. You have. What Mr. Flores has to work with right now is your best window of opportunity. But you gotta fix that position. You got to get that position together. To me, if JJ's not the answer, based on the small sample size you've seen the past two years, Kirk Cousins is the next best option. There's nothing else out there. Tom Brady ain't walking through that door. Ain't walking through that door. I'm just saying give you a better understanding on. On how difficult it is to find a competent quarterback to run your team. It's not easy. Is there anything in the goddamn draft. They definitely not going to draft another quarterback. That ain't happening. You just took him with eight three years ago.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
But you remember we was growing up. Hey, you going to such and such. Yeah, I'm g. Be there. Save me a seat. Hey, you get there before me. Save me a seat. If I get there before you, I save you a seat.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Uhhuh.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
And we don't get to save no seats when we ranking.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Somebody coming to occupy that? Somebody coming.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. But now that you just said that, you know, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad. I'm glad you just said that. That was a great analogy, too. You still believe Justin Jefferson in the top five right now, Chat. I would love to hear your response, too. Cause I got my chat on to the right of me. That's why I keep looking to the right.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
It's. Ooh, it's close, Ocho. It's close because Puka and JSN has put together back to back. Right now, I still got Chase at one for me.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Based on what he's done since he's been in the league, and he's shown no slippage. So for me, Chase is number one. Now you get the battle out between for me, for two is Puka and jsn. That'll be two and three for me. Put them in whatever order you want. Now, top three. I mean, top five. So you got three. So we got three slots. So now you got Jetta, you got cd.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You got a pick.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Hold up. Try to think who else we got on show.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
So, I mean, A.J. brown was once in the car.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
A.J. brown. Yeah. Yeah. Aj had a down year. Reek got hurt. Who. Who else is out there? Oo z flowers. No, he ain't. T5. Pierce. No. McLaren. No, that's just for me. That's just. That's just me. That's those guys that we mentioned. They might be top five for somebody. But I'm just saying, based on what I say, a top receiver is consistency that they bring. I would say yes. I would say yes. But he gonna have to pick it up this year because I don't know if I could hold. I could hold that spot much longer.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Let's see. Yeah. I mean. And we know what he can do.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yes. Oh, absolutely.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
But I. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't understand. And I saw somebody in the chat just say, why bring in Kirk Cousins? Why would you want to go backwards? Well, hell, you're not going forward what you got. You're not going forward with what you have. So having someone that's been able to get it done, I mean. I mean, from a productive standpoint, I mean, obviously, and hoping you get over the hump, but what's the point of having something where you ain't going no goddamn where you don't have a chance at all.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
True, true. But them, they got some, you know, what you call them, got hurt. Mike Evans got hurt this year. But Tet Carolina, I Love the kid in Arizona, Wilson. I love him.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, yeah, he nice. Isn't the first name not Cedric, is it?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
No, I think it's Mike.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Mike. Mike.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Michael Wilson. I think that's his name. I'm not. And that's why I just said Wilson, because I didn't want to. I didn't want to say no.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
He's really good. If, if with the way Wilson played last year and we get Marvin Harrison, we get Marvin Harrison Jr. Back healthy and back playing to how we know he can play, playing with confidence. But they got a nasty duo over there. Yeah, they got a nasty. It is Michael Wilson.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Okay, so. Yeah, I, I agree with you, Ocho. We. We know what this guy can do. It's just a matter of getting a quarterback that can get into football. And that's what, you know, you play a dependent position and you got to have somebody that can, that can get you the ball.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
So we're, we're gonna, we're gonna find out. Jj, this is, it's not never the last thing you want to be labeled as a injury. Injury prone.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
He missed the first year with an injury and he got nicked. He. Remember he played the first game to beat, came back, beat Chicago. He missed three or four games, comes back, gets nicked again. He's gonna have to find a better way. He gonna have to find a way to stay on the field because the best ability is availability. I don't care how great you are if you're not on the field. What can I do with that?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Can't even evaluate that.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
What am I supposed to do with that?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Can't evaluate it.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
So it's going to be incumbent to him to get into that playbook. Understand? Stay on the field because like you say, Jetta, guys gonna get frustrated. You look at what they have. Addison and Hawkinson will be back. Jetta, I read, I think they're moving on from Aaron Jones.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
They said, yeah, I saw that. I saw that earlier.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
We're going to try to move you and if we can't, we're going to end up releasing you. Save some money.
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Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Remember cap. Boy? Oh, I don't know how much of that combine you watch.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. Hey man, this.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
This combine here.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, I didn't. I ain't miss nothing. Obviously, even if you don't watch the combine, unk. If you have social media, you get to see everything. You get to see everything. I've never seen nothing like this. I've never seen nothing like this.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
The fastest combine on record. The fastest the wide receivers. Yeah, the tight ends ran the fastest. The. Oh, the D lineman, the old lineman, everybody was outstanding.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, did you see. You see young bull From Miami, the 6 9? Young.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
How you that big? Moving like that, man.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
And then I like when they simulcast it against Rich will be blowing the doors off Rich a four yard head start and catch him at the 30.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, hey. Them boys was moving. They. They was moving. They was moving. They was moving. And. And what? What? I don't like, this is one of the things I don't like. And I, I would love to sit down and, and, and, and, and talk to some of these players with that, with some of the times that I'm seeing, based on what I saw at the combine. If you, if you're running that fast, why is it not popping up and showing up on tape like that? Like, with that kind of speed, you should be dominating at said position at the collegiate level. So something, Something is disconnected in a sense, you run a fold. Do you understand what you're supposed to do? If you have the agility, the thing that can be taught, you can't teach speed. So you add that in, in addition to all the other qualities and intangibles and qualities that make you good or great at said position. There's no reason. I don't, I don't understand with all those times and watching college football all season long, like, we've done nothing, jumped out, nothing was like every week when Reggie Bush played uncle. We tuning in because it's Rachel. You got to see it. Peter Work, Andre Johnson, I mean, Michael Vicker. Who's that? Vt like you tune in to see it. And it just. I didn't have that based on what I saw today or the past this weekend from the combine. Well, wait a minute. Why did all these fast time. But everybody flew under the radar, you know, during.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
In, in season, there's a difference between running fast and playing fast. Those are two different things. You didn't run fast, but you played fast. There are a lot of guys that ran for John Ross ran fast, but he couldn't play fast.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, he was. He was. Hey, hey, I, I don't, I don't see how the body boy.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
But see, and the thing is, I mean, his body wasn't made because he was a track guy. See, Tyreek has track speed, but he's a football body. Tyreek has a football body. And there's. And sometimes, Ocho, what you get is guys going and training for a specific task. I'm gonna train to run the 40 standing long jump, the short cone divert. I'm gonna train for that.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Right?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Okay, you can train for it, Ocho. That doesn't mean it translate to what you're doing on the field.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Right?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Like when I see some guys, when I see, like, an offensive lineman run, when I'm gonna need my offensive lineman to run 4, 6, 4, 7, 4, 8. All up. Let me see. Let me see your kick. Let me see what you do on this combo. Let me see what you're doing to slip box. Yes. Yeah, that's what I need to see. All that running fast, you off his line. I don't give a damn about that. Right off the defensive lineman. All I want to do is see you 10 yards.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. What does that look like?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
If you run past farther than 10 yard, bro, I'm sorry, You chasing somebody in the end zone. So that's, that's the thing, Ocho. I think the thing is, is that we see guys and they're training for a specific thing.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Right.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
As opposed to as a football player.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yes.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I mean, most of the guys in the hall of fame didn't have pop out stats. Unless it's Randy.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Oh, yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, Randy. Proday was stupid. Crazy.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah. But if you look at most of the guys.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, average. Yes, average. Because I mean the game, the game is not based on running in a straight line in the sense. No, you think about all the 40 times. Chad, stay with me real quick. Stay with me. You think about all of all the 40 times from all the fast receivers today. Right? How do you stop someone that runs that fast? Right. We're not scared. We're not scared of that. Our speed is a great thing. How do we stop it? You put somebody in front of them. Yeah, you put somebody in front of me. Because most of the time, if you, if you're somebody that's that fast. Yes, you're explosive, but can you do it when there's a body in front of you? Do you have the lateral movement and quickness? Are you twitchy enough? So that's.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Look at Miles Garrett. Look at Miles Garrett and how he rushes the passer. You see he doing all this, he like a damn wide receiver. Tight. He's trying to get off the ball. Yeah, he's supposed to be able to do that.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Nah, absolutely not.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
How he take once he fake one outside, take one giant step offside and come cross any offensive lineman face he want to. That's the difference. Look at Vernon Goldston. Go back and look at his times and what he ran. He should have been. Hey, he should have been ripping people's head off on the field, Right? Look at a guy like Sean Oakman. Six foot five, six foot six. All I want to know, can you play football? I'm looking for football. That's it. I ain't looking. I ain't looking for usain Boat. I ain't looking. I ain't looking for a. A bob beaming. Somebody gonna jump 30ft. Can you play football? And.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
And that's what it Comes down to at the end of the day, the 40 time is great. Being that fast. It's really great. It's a great quality to have. It's a great trait to have because it just can't be taught. Then I look at. Look at things like Carnell Tate, Cardinal Tate ran 4, 4, 45 from Ohio State. I don't care about that. I don't care nothing about that. Turn on the goddamn film. What does it look like when brother Tate is playing for the goddamn Ohio Buckeyes every goddamn Saturday? What is he doing?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Prime example. Look at the receiver we just talked about. What, what did Chase run? What did JSN run? What did Puka run? What did Jetta run? What did Pickens run? Ain't Nobody in no 4 threes, why they stand. Ain't nobody no 11 foot standing long jump. Ain't nobody got no 40 inch vertical, bro. Can you play football? Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
That's all it comes down to now.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
If we go to the football Olympics, I'm glad I got you on my team because you gonna bring home the goal.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
But
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
hey, I would.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I would look at Mike Mamula. Y' all see what. And people say with a combine bull job. We've seen guys go up and slide down based on what they did at the combine. We so don't tell me the combine. Oh, yes it does it play a big role.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Are you.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Are you guys. Because Sonny Styles brother, his brother ran Lorenzo. He ran 427. Yeah, a safety.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
You were moving boy.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
427.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
He will move in and then run.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Oh, your boy Jeremiah Love. You see what he ran?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
He ran for three. Yeah, he ran four three. Hey, it don't look. You know. You know what Jeremiah Love know what he remind me of? He runs so smooth and there's no irky jerky like ah. You could like where it looks like he's being explosive. He remind me of Aaron Foster when Aaron Foster. Aaron Foster was fast, but he. He glided in such a way where it looks so effortless, like he wasn't even trying. But they moving and you don't know they move until somebody trying to catch. They assume.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
This kid here got. I knew it was fat. I thought he was low. 4 4. I didn't think he was gonna go sub 4 4, right? Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
That was nice.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I mean them guys, them guys were rolling.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, they were moving.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Them guys were rolling this weekend. I mean the tight end run. Four three nine vertical limb, two guys standing long. Burt 45 and a half.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. I want receivers to Understand, if you have that kind of speed, you running four twos and you're running four threes, you should be able to go. If you understand the game of football and how to manipulate and get open and manipulate and understand and leverage and coverages, you should dominate the game. But there's so many other factors that aren't there in your game, and you're not polished enough to. To understand that. I would. I would love. Obviously, I don't. I don't have the opportunity to do so, and I don't want to step on other people's toes that are training said receivers that are coming out and doing all this stuff. But there is so much where they can come in and dominate right away. If you have that kind of speed, if. If the rest of your game is just polished up, there's no.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
It's simple. What you saying is, can you do something other than run a go? Can you run an out? Can you run an in? Can you run a dig? Can you run a comeback? Can you run an over? Yeah. Because what makes Tyreek so unique is that people afraid of that speed. But he can stop on the dime. Yeah, he can run that speed out. He can run that dig, he can run that comeback, he can run that over. He can run the shallow.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
You do everything else.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Can you tie everything together to make everything look like you running the goalball? Cause that guy don't get a backpack, I don't give a damn what you running. He ain't. You ain't beating him. He gonna drive his ass off on it. Yeah, you better get. You better break that cushion and make him think you about to get up out of there, because that guy don't respect you. Okay, Good luck.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. The funny thing about it. And the funny thing about it, if you're fast as hell, all these people run these fast times, right? And this where you get exposed, because if you can't. For one, if you can't get off the bump, you're done. You're not gonna last long anyway. If you can't run fast and be able to stop a transition, well, I mean, you're done.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Also got to be able to control it.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
You got. You got to.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Speed without control ain't do you no good, Ocho, at all.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
That's like having a Ferrari with no brakes.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
And do you know a nice car? Can you drive it? Nah, man. You know, man, I don't get it out of third. What the hell, Ocho? What the hell? You got a Ferrari, you can't get it out of Third gear, right? The hell. I think Ferrari got six gears. Now you only get half of it because you don't know what to do with that. Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I was excited though.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Huh? I was excited from Arkansas. Now look.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
What he did. Really?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
What's the name? Brother, wasn't it?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
No, no. Oh, you. No, no, no. He'll receiver. You talking about Trey, Lance's brother? No. Arkansas had a quarterback that ran 4, 3. He ran the second fastest 40 time. He had this long jump. He had like a 40 something inch vertical. It's six.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Six. Yeah. Six, six.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah. Joda hit me up. So you see. You see the homeboy Freddie? You see the. I said, come on, Joe. Yeah, yeah. They got Ash. What was the quarterback name? What was his measurement? But he's like. He had the highest vert. The highest standing long jump, the second fastest 40. Right. I mean, he was. I ain't no, I ain't. No boy had it like this, right? Did not.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
But again, it comes back. But it comes back to this though, huh? What does it look like when you turn the film on?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
But that's what I'm saying. All those stuff. Ocho, a. A 40 inch vertical, 112 standard. Not for a quarterback. No, bro. I want to know how he processes information. How soon can he get the ball? How soon can he see it, process it and get the ball going? That's all I care about. I don't care about that. It'd be nice if you break away the likelihood of quarterback taking off and going 80. They probably been less than. They've probably been less in the history of the game. There've been a problem. How many times you think a quarterback has taken off and got nady? Maybe, maybe five times in the history of the game.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. Remember Terrell Pryor when he was 93, quarterback and he cleared it and went 80?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah. That's the longest run. He went 93. Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
It was that long.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah. Huh.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I can't. I can't think. I mean, Michael Vick's done it a few times. Maybe not 80 plus, but he didn't broke some long ones.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah. So my thing is, Ocho, I want to know, can you process information? Can you get the ball of the hand? How soon can you detect what the defense is doing and get the ball going out of your hands based on what you want to do? After making a run to the super bowl, the New England Patriots and veteran wide receiver Stefan Diggs are parting ways. The Patriots have reportedly informed Diggs that he will be released at the start of the new year next week. Just one year after he signed a three year 69 million dollar deal with the team. Damn.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hold up.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Okay. Oo yeah. Now he, I, I thought, I thought he done a great job in the locker room. I thought, I thought, I thought he was great being available when he played. He balled out a good veteran president in the locker room. What's up? What's going on? I think the distractions off the field is too much for them. Not all this, everything is an allegation, none of it has been proven. But I just think he for that. Ocho, you played in that organization and even though the coach isn't there that coached you, the principles still apply.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yes sir.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I think that for me personally I could be wrong. I could be totally off. But I think, I just think the constant and that, I think it just, there's like no, this is, this is not what we're looking for.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Probably too much. I mean also that too obviously NFL, most teams, they're going younger too. I mean I think Dig Diggs had a great season. Joe, he had a thousand, he had a thousand yard season. He's going to get picked up, being, going to be somewhere else. I won't be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore. I'm just throwing it out there right now. Being that that's not too far from not mistaken.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
He's from, from Maryland.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Dmv. Yeah, he from the DMV area. So don't be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore. Just know I said it first and every time I say something on the show for some reason, un, I'm always right and it always happens. But that's neither here nor there. But he had a good season last night. True leader.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
He had, he, he, he played well. He did what they brought him. I thought he did a great job. Look, I, I thought he did a great job of catching the ball. I thought he did a great job with Drake maybe. I thought he, you know, he didn't have any bad mannerisms when he was on the field. He wasn't pounding on the sideline, he wasn't loafing on the field. I loved everything, I loved everything about what he was doing on the field. Hey, whatever happened with his relationship, I don't, I don't care anything about that. I wish both of them the best. If they're together, stay together. If not, that's okay too. But I just think knowing the Patriots in that organization, how they, yeah, if it ain't football related, they ain't trying to hear about it. Damn. Yeah, he got some juice left though. I know he does. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you got to think about it. That's. So now he's going to get another year. So he'll be two years removed, Ocho, from the acl. So he should be better.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Better than he was this year.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah, I totally agree with that. Chiefs trade Trent McDuffie to the Rams. The Chiefs get the 26, 2026 first round pick, which is their pick because you know they have two first round picks. They got one of those. They got Atlanta's first round pick. They get a 2026 fifth round pick, a 2026 sixth round pick and a 2027 third round pick for Trent McDuffie. Services. Oo we talked about this. Remember we talked about this? I said ocho, I'm not going to be surprised.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, you was right. You was
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
what they have what they need knowing they can't pay him. And the thing that I like about him, they asked him a couple of weeks ago or maybe a month ago if he were to get traded, where would he like to go? He's a Cali kid. He said, I guess I'd like to go back to the Rams, back home. Jerry, Steve, where did they turn him? Tennessee Titans got the big contract. That's one thing you can say whatever you want to say about the Chiefs. But Andy and Brett, they do a great job when you play and do what you're supposed to, they will try to put you in the best situation to help you considering what you've done to help them.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
But damn, yeah, that, that's a good thing. Most of the time you don't, you don't have owners, you don't have head coaches that operate in that manner and understand the value that you bring and that value that you do have. We can't reciprocate what you've earned to this date, but we appreciate your services. We're going to allow you to go somewhere else and continue to blossom. And we gonna do what we need to do and, and feel whatever areas we need to. And one of the reasons, you know, they can do some of the things that they do because they got one of the best players in the game, one of the best players to ever play this game. You can make moves like this because he can make up for the absence of not having a great DB like Mr. McDuffie is on the defensive side of the ball.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
They did that with Tyreek Tyree. They say you got you, you want to go to the jets or you want to go To Miami. Okay, put you in Miami. So, and, and knowing what they need, Ocho, they don't. Ocho, what do they need? A 30 million dollar corner in Kansas City. They got too many other needs. They got too many other needs. And so it just, it didn't come. It didn't come. You know, it became cost prohibitive and you know, obviously you, we got, got Mahomes base. I, I, I think they still needed, they need a running back. They need a running back. They need a receiver. I still believe they need a big time receiver. I, I just the little small guy. Oh, yo, they did. They need, they need a stud. Go ahead, Ocho.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I have a question. What's the chances the Kansas City Chiefs pick at number nine, if I'm not mistaken.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I think my love is there. They take him.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I, I'm gonna say I would, I would hope they climb up to go get him.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You think he gonna be there now? I don't know.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Absolutely.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Notre Dame, right? Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Boy,
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I, I need those picks, Ocho. I need those picks because I've neglected so long now. I need, I need to put pieces around Patrick Mahomes. Plus he's coming off an injury, Ocho. Now we don't know if he's going to be able to start the season. I know that's his goal. His goal is to be able to start the season. But what if that's not his goal and moving forward, right? I could, could there be a situation he goes higher. Hell, Ashton Genti went sixth. Here's a guy that's more of a home run threat than Ashton Genti, a power back. Now Aston Jenny, for a guy his size, he runs with great power, great leverage.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
He run with power.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah, but I love, I love Jeremiah Love. I think that's what they need. But Kansas City just has too many holes to fill to pay a, to pay a corner, to have a $30 million corner and a $30 million D tackle and you got Karloftus making a boatload of money. You just gave the middle linebacker a boatload of money. So I'm not surprised based on their, their recent history and what they need and what it was going to cost for them to keep them. And you know, that's what happens when you draft and they've done a great job of drafting Ocho, at some point you can't pay everybody. You just can't. You're gonna have to let. It's the same thing with Woolen. You're gonna have to let him go. You're gonna have to let him go. Yeah. The only thing is, is that you're not going to get compensation for it. I mean you get, you'll get, you'll get compensation because you'll go and you'll get a third round pick. But you can't trade him and get the value that you could got if you had his rights and traded him. Right. Because you got the goose spoon and you got JSN coming. And amin worry is going to be up in a year, two years.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Hey, he nice and we talked about this. I was like, look, if you're prioritizing, K9 is on the bottom of the list because what he's going to want is top five, top three, top five quarterback running back money. They don't view him as a top three, top five back which would be in the 15 million dollar range. 15, 7. He's not gonna, they can't pay that. Thank you. Helping us win a Super Bowl. Congratulations on your league, on your super bowl mvp.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
But I mean, hey, Uncle Joe, there's tears to everything. They're tier one running backs and it's only a handful. Now. He's a very, very, very, very good. Yeah, but is he in the same conversation with the Saquons and the Jameer Robinson, the McCaffrey?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
No, he's not. The Derek Henry? No, he's not. He's not.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah, he's very, very good. He's very good though.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
And that's okay. And that's okay. He, he, he parlayed it at the right time. Ocho. I'm a free agent. I go on this great run, I win the super bowl mvp.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh,
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Damn. You can't ask for anything better than that. Ocho. You got Charbonneau. And the thing is Ocho, they always feel that they can get her back. They feel they can get it back because the freshest of back is going to be Ocho when he coming out of college. It's 20 years. Because think about it, when they put the, they gonna put the. Hey, if you that back, they gonna put two five zero three hundred carries on your legs before you get another contract. So you talking about 250 to 300. You gonna get a thousand carries in your first three years
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
and they don't yank. You know how it is. They don't value that position the way they would.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
No, they don't.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
They don't value it. And you, you have to be extremely special for you to hold any kind of value at the running back position in this day and age, in this passing era
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
and to get multiple contracts at that running back spot.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, it's hard. Hey, Joe. It's hard, Joe. It's hard. I already know like CMAC and Derrick Henry and who else has got multiple contracts at the running back position? McCaffrey.
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Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I said
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
yeah, that's. It's hard.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
A Joe is hard, boy,
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
with this guy. The Cardinals have informed Kyler Murray that they intend to release him at the first day of the league year year next Wednesday. Barring a trade between nine then Arizona already owes him almost $37 million in guaranteed for 2026 and another 19 and a half would have been triggered on the 15th of March. He will now be moving on. Kyler took to social media to address the news. To everyone that supported me and showed kindness to my family and I during my time in Arizona, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. I wanted nothing more than to be the one to end the 77 year drought for this organization. I feel I'm sorry I failed us. I wish this community and my brothers nothing but the best. I'm no stranger to adversity. I'm prepared for whatever's next. I trust in God and my work ethic. I truly believe my best ball is in front of me and I look forward to proving it. Godspeed. Oh, what you thinking, Ocho?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, I'm. I'm curious. I'm curious on the destinations that make
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
sense for him in a whole lot of places.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I'm curious. Hey, Miami. Yes, stay with me. Stay with me real quick, Uncle Joe. Miami, New York, the Jets or Minnesota Best. Now those. Those are. Those are the only three I could think of. The one that I would like him to go to.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
The best, you know, Minnesota.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I would. I would. Me personally, Joe, I would prefer a pocket passer in Minnesota because of all the weapons they have. I would like Kyler. Maybe in New York or maybe in Miami. That. That's just me. But I would prefer to see Kirk Cousins come back to Minnesota or maybe
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
pick back up where he was. I don't. Yeah, I don't want to see Kirk Cousins go back to Minnesota.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, Joe, you got to see the numbers, Joe. You got to see.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Kurt.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
One thing Kirk could do, boy, he gonna let that thing fly, Ocho.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
He gonna have a few good games here and there, but come on, man, it ain't gonna be the same. Kurt, you look you. You know what I mean?
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I don't know. I don't know, Joe, but I. I just think from a passing standpoint, listen, Kyler Murray is very good, very good. Very good dual threat quarterback, but I think it limits some of the things you can do when you have that kind of talent over there in Minnesota, when you have a mobile quarterback like that.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
But the thing is, Ocho, he's not.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
He's not, he's not. He's not your traditional drop back pass quarterback. And I think with that offense, what they have, they need a traditional drop back pass quarterback like a Aaron Rodgers or like a Kirk Cousins that can sling it. You don't really need a dual threat.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I don't know if you noticed though, Joe, but Malik Willis is going to be available and he's going somewhere. Hey, he gonna get. Yes, he going.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
He, he, he, he going to the highest bidder.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
That's where he going. Miami, Arizona. I can see him in Miami.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, Arizona would be a good one too, for Malik. Hey, what's. What's Wilson first name? Mike Wilson.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Michael Wilson.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Hey, Joe boy. It's a young bull named Mike Wilson. He came out of nowhere.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah, okay.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
I. Hey, I don't know if you've been around, Joe. He came out of nowhere, Aunt about like playing like true number one.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Oh, my God. Boy, he nice.
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Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
All year long, Joe. He making play after play after play after.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Now they get. If they get Marvin Harrison Jr. Up to speed, they got Trey McBride, best tight end of football. So they got weapons. Yeah. They got to redo the offensive. They got to get better the offensive line, Ocho. They got to get better at that.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah. But hey, what you think about Malik? Malik Willis coming down to Miami?
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
I, I said my. I think Miami or Arizona.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
If I had a choice, I would pick Arizona. McBride, Marvin Harrison Jr. Mike Wilson.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Absolutely.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Connors. Connors is coming back next year, I'm assuming, at the running back.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Hold on. Didn't he get the. Who got the head job in Arizona? Wasn't it the guy from Green Bay? Yeah. Ocho.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Yeah.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Where did he have success at Green Bay? What type of office did he run? Green Bay? The brother.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Same thing.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
You see how that thing lines up in Arizona? Oh, he in Miami. No, no, no. LaFleur is in Miami, isn't it? Is he in Miami or Arizona? Because he. Willis is probably going where the other LaFleur brother went, right? Or the Cardinals. He going to Arizona. Ocho, he came from the Rams. Yeah, but he knows that system because the systems are very similar.
Ocho (Sports Analyst/Co-host)
Okay.
Joe (Sports Analyst/Host)
Yeah.
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This episode sees host Shannon Sharpe (Joe) and co-host Ocho break down hot topics swirling around the NFL offseason—most notably, the fate of Kyler Murray, a deep roast of Cowboys fans clinging to Jerry Jones' perpetually optimistic promises, franchise QB debate, elite WR rankings, and how NFL Combine numbers translate (or don't) to actual football success.
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