Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 1: “Lamar Jackson Voted Overrated?!?! + Derek Stingley Jr. on Being One of the NFL’s Top Corners”

Date: November 15, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media (Marcus Grant, Michael Florio)
Special Guest: Derek Stingley Jr. (Houston Texans cornerback)

EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode of Club Shay Shay focuses on hot-button NFL topics, with an emphasis on the divisive debate surrounding Lamar Jackson's legacy and recent “most overrated” label. The second segment features an in-depth interview with Houston Texans Pro Bowl cornerback Derek Stingley Jr., covering his mentality, cornerback technique, football upbringing, and the challenges of professional play. Throughout, the hosts bring their trademark combative, sarcastic, and passionate tone.

KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. AFC Playoff Picture, Bengals and Quarterback Confidence (03:24–13:16)

• Divisional Standings Agitation:
  Michael Florio and Marcus Grant debate the wide-open AFC North, with an emphasis on Joe Burrow’s leadership and recent struggles post-injury.
  • Host Banter: The two fire shots about their teams' chances against the division's leading defenses and compare playoff projections.
  • Momentum vs. Math:
    • Florio argues: “When my quarterback say something... you listen to that. You stand on that when he say that, because he will come back and prove you wrong.” (05:12)
    • Grant retorts: “Your defense, their defense is better than yours… The only thing that's wide open is the booking window for those vacation Joe Burrow need to book.” (04:26)
• Lighthearted Betting:
  Grant and Florio throw around outlandish bets (“cow manure versus a golden doorknob”) and keep the banter high-energy, with calls for keeping the same energy “when we get on here Sunday after we beat [the Steelers].” (08:02–08:09)

2. Lamar Jackson: “Most Overrated Quarterback?” (23:34–46:14)

• Bleacher Report’s Controversial Ranking:
  The hosts react to Lamar Jackson being named the “most overrated quarterback” according to Bleacher Report, due to his two MVPs but zero Super Bowl appearances.
  • Grant: “They name Lamar Jackson as the most overrated quarterback in NFL. Said he may not just be one today's most overrated active quarterbacks, but also of all time...” (23:34)
  • Context is given—every other multiple-MVP quarterback (since the Super Bowl era) has won or at least played in a Super Bowl.
  • Grant and Florio break down why this is a misleading and incomplete assessment, both citing historic cases (Marino, Steve Young) and the heavy burden of “ring culture” on QBs.
    • Florio: “Nothing about Lamar Jackson and what he brings to the table, what he bring to the NFL... Nothing about that is overrated.” (27:56)
    • “Overrated, my goddamn ass. Now that's a bunch of bullshit.” (28:09)
• Ring Culture & Unwritten Rules:
  Extensive discussion on how QBs are uniquely judged on Super Bowl victories, not just greatness:
  • Grant: “Only quarterbacks get measured by wins. And Super Bowls. No other position.” (30:09)
  • Florio: “How do we judge Dan Marino? Do we say Dan Marino's not one of the greats because he didn't want a ring?” (29:07)
  • They agree the label “overrated” is unfair. The legacy of players like Ben Roethlisberger and Russell Wilson is discussed as counterexamples.
  • Grant underscores that the company Lamar keeps (multiple MVPs, no Super Bowl) is extremely small, and time will ultimately tell: “He's the only one that's never been to a Super Bowl. Now, if he doesn't get to a Super bowl, what are they gonna say?” (35:32)
• Expectations for Lamar:
  Both hosts expect Lamar to eventually “get the monkey off his back” and win a Super Bowl.
  • Grant: “I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a Super bowl. And once he gets there and he wins it, it's over.” (43:01)
  • Florio draws an NBA parallel: “LeBron James had two MVPs... all of a sudden, he won and got that monkey off his back.” (43:34)

3. Interview with Derek Stingley Jr. – Top Cornerback Mentality (51:22–74:57)

Introduction and Early Football Development (51:22–56:45)

• Marcus Grant introduces Derek Stingley Jr. as a “Pro Bowler, All Pro... one of the NFL’s best corners.”
• Stingley recounts learning DB skills from his father (former Arena Football player/coach): “Since I was a little kid, like as far back as I can remember, I’m doing DB drills with his players... running routes against his DBs as a little kid.” (55:53)
• Discusses the value of brotherhood and learning how to handle energy levels and emotions on the field.

Technical Mastery and Football IQ (52:36–54:39, 62:52–64:39)

• Stingley breaks down cornerback principles:
  • Focuses on reading the receiver’s “mid-thigh, the back leg... start low so when your eyes go up, you’re around the hips.” (52:36)
  • Explains the importance of patience—“knowing that in my mind, like, you’re not gonna run away from me... I can look back at a certain time knowing that the ball sometimes will be underthrown.” (53:21)
• Praised by Michael Florio: “You have tremendous patience. You have tremendous patience similar to Darrelle Revis... Your ball skills are second to none.”

Mindset and Trash Talk (or Lack Thereof) (57:16–59:23)

• Stingley has a quiet, even-keeled demeanor, contrasting with showboats or big talkers.
  • “Me, personally, like, if I make a good play... I’ll just walk off because, for one, I’d be tired.” (57:18)
  • “If you want to try to play me on the field, I just show you by just playing the game. I don’t need to talk because I don’t know how to talk.” (58:03)
• Ocho & Grant joke about getting him to open up on the field; Stingley laughs it off.

Players He Studies & Competes Against (61:08–69:44)

• Models game after Champ Bailey: “He’s always been the first... anywhere, number 24. That’s the guy.” (61:33)
• On following top receivers (“frequent flyer miles”): “That’s a mindset. Like, I just want to cover the best.”
• Toughest WR matchups since entering the league:
  • “I've always said Garrett Wilson with the Jets... since I've been in the league... I think I played against him like twice already... he's nice.” (69:34)
  • Also mentions Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, and others: “It’s so many people. I can’t even... but yeah.”

On Expectations and Professional Growth (62:52–64:39, 67:23–68:10)

• Stingley puts high expectations on himself for technique and consistency: “Sometimes... I had like, interceptions. I could have had double that same thing for right now... those are the things that bug me.”
• Focuses on doing his job within the defensive scheme: “Do what you’re supposed to do, and then the results... it comes.” (67:23)

Fun Moments: Cover One Elite DB Camp & LSU (71:02–74:42)

• Stingley and his father run “Cover One Elite,” a DB camp (recently held in Puerto Rico, possibly Greece next)—open to all positions, so long as you’re willing to work.
• On LSU’s tradition and the hiring of a new coach: “It really just comes down to... the players... buying into themselves first.”

NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• On Lamar Jackson’s “Overrated” Label:

  • Florio: “Overrated, my goddamn ass. Now that... that's a bunch of bullshit.” (28:09)
  • Grant: “Only quarterbacks get measured by wins. And Super Bowls. No other, no other position.” (30:09)

• On Joe Burrow’s Confidence:

  • Florio: “When my quarterback say something... you listen to that. You stand on that when he say that, because he will come back and prove you wrong.” (05:12)

• On Stingley’s Mindset:

  • Stingley: “If you want to try to play me on the field, I just show you by just playing the game. I don’t need to talk because I don’t know how to talk.” (58:03)
  • Stingley: “He’s always [been] the first. [Champ Bailey]... Number 24. That’s the guy.” (61:33)

• On the Burden of Ring Culture:

  • Grant: “Brady has three regular season MVPs, he has seven Super Bowls and five Super Bowl MVPs. So no matter what criteria you use, it's gonna be hard for somebody to overtake him.” (34:10)

• On Personal Expectations:

  • Stingley: “I got however many [picks] I have right now. I should have double that... those are the things that bug me.” (64:12)

IMPORTANT TIMESTAMPS

• 03:24–13:16: AFC North Banter & Playoff Race
• 23:34–46:14: The Lamar Jackson “Overrated” Controversy & Legacy
• 51:22–74:57: Derek Stingley Jr. Interview (Personal story, technical discussion, football culture)
• 52:36: Stingley details his press coverage technique
• 57:16–59:23: On emotional control and trash talk
• 69:34: Stingley’s toughest WR matchups
• 71:02: Cover One Elite camp and pro development

EPISODE TONE & ATMOSPHERE

• Authentic, spirited, witty: Hosts remain playful yet fiercely opinionated.
• Camaraderie: Plenty of trash talk and good-natured ribbing.
• Expert insight: Especially when delving into positional technique (Stingley) and long-term player legacies.

For Listeners:

This episode is both fun and illuminating, offering insight into football culture from the inside. The banter is as entertaining as the expertise—whether you’re a fan of gridiron debates or want a peek into how elite NFL corners think and prepare, this episode delivers strong opinions, technical deep-dives, and no-holds-barred conversation.