Best of NFL News Part 1: Lamar Jackson voted OVERRATED?!?! + Derek Stingley Jr. on being one of the NFL’s top corners

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 1: “Lamar Jackson Voted Overrated?!?! + Derek Stingley Jr. on Being One of the NFL’s Top Corners”

Date: November 15, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media (Marcus Grant, Michael Florio)
Special Guest: Derek Stingley Jr. (Houston Texans cornerback)

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode of Club Shay Shay focuses on hot-button NFL topics, with an emphasis on the divisive debate surrounding Lamar Jackson's legacy and recent “most overrated” label. The second segment features an in-depth interview with Houston Texans Pro Bowl cornerback Derek Stingley Jr., covering his mentality, cornerback technique, football upbringing, and the challenges of professional play. Throughout, the hosts bring their trademark combative, sarcastic, and passionate tone.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. AFC Playoff Picture, Bengals and Quarterback Confidence (03:24–13:16)

• Divisional Standings Agitation:
  Michael Florio and Marcus Grant debate the wide-open AFC North, with an emphasis on Joe Burrow’s leadership and recent struggles post-injury.
  • Host Banter: The two fire shots about their teams' chances against the division's leading defenses and compare playoff projections.
  • Momentum vs. Math:
    • Florio argues: “When my quarterback say something... you listen to that. You stand on that when he say that, because he will come back and prove you wrong.” (05:12)
    • Grant retorts: “Your defense, their defense is better than yours… The only thing that's wide open is the booking window for those vacation Joe Burrow need to book.” (04:26)
• Lighthearted Betting:
  Grant and Florio throw around outlandish bets (“cow manure versus a golden doorknob”) and keep the banter high-energy, with calls for keeping the same energy “when we get on here Sunday after we beat [the Steelers].” (08:02–08:09)

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2. Lamar Jackson: “Most Overrated Quarterback?” (23:34–46:14)

• Bleacher Report’s Controversial Ranking:
  The hosts react to Lamar Jackson being named the “most overrated quarterback” according to Bleacher Report, due to his two MVPs but zero Super Bowl appearances.
  • Grant: “They name Lamar Jackson as the most overrated quarterback in NFL. Said he may not just be one today's most overrated active quarterbacks, but also of all time...” (23:34)
  • Context is given—every other multiple-MVP quarterback (since the Super Bowl era) has won or at least played in a Super Bowl.
  • Grant and Florio break down why this is a misleading and incomplete assessment, both citing historic cases (Marino, Steve Young) and the heavy burden of “ring culture” on QBs.
    • Florio: “Nothing about Lamar Jackson and what he brings to the table, what he bring to the NFL... Nothing about that is overrated.” (27:56)
    • “Overrated, my goddamn ass. Now that's a bunch of bullshit.” (28:09)
• Ring Culture & Unwritten Rules:
  Extensive discussion on how QBs are uniquely judged on Super Bowl victories, not just greatness:
  • Grant: “Only quarterbacks get measured by wins. And Super Bowls. No other position.” (30:09)
  • Florio: “How do we judge Dan Marino? Do we say Dan Marino's not one of the greats because he didn't want a ring?” (29:07)
  • They agree the label “overrated” is unfair. The legacy of players like Ben Roethlisberger and Russell Wilson is discussed as counterexamples.
  • Grant underscores that the company Lamar keeps (multiple MVPs, no Super Bowl) is extremely small, and time will ultimately tell: “He's the only one that's never been to a Super Bowl. Now, if he doesn't get to a Super bowl, what are they gonna say?” (35:32)
• Expectations for Lamar:
  Both hosts expect Lamar to eventually “get the monkey off his back” and win a Super Bowl.
  • Grant: “I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a Super bowl. And once he gets there and he wins it, it's over.” (43:01)
  • Florio draws an NBA parallel: “LeBron James had two MVPs... all of a sudden, he won and got that monkey off his back.” (43:34)

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3. Interview with Derek Stingley Jr. – Top Cornerback Mentality (51:22–74:57)

Introduction and Early Football Development (51:22–56:45)

• Marcus Grant introduces Derek Stingley Jr. as a “Pro Bowler, All Pro... one of the NFL’s best corners.”
• Stingley recounts learning DB skills from his father (former Arena Football player/coach): “Since I was a little kid, like as far back as I can remember, I’m doing DB drills with his players... running routes against his DBs as a little kid.” (55:53)
• Discusses the value of brotherhood and learning how to handle energy levels and emotions on the field.

Technical Mastery and Football IQ (52:36–54:39, 62:52–64:39)

• Stingley breaks down cornerback principles:
  • Focuses on reading the receiver’s “mid-thigh, the back leg... start low so when your eyes go up, you’re around the hips.” (52:36)
  • Explains the importance of patience—“knowing that in my mind, like, you’re not gonna run away from me... I can look back at a certain time knowing that the ball sometimes will be underthrown.” (53:21)
• Praised by Michael Florio: “You have tremendous patience. You have tremendous patience similar to Darrelle Revis... Your ball skills are second to none.”

Mindset and Trash Talk (or Lack Thereof) (57:16–59:23)

• Stingley has a quiet, even-keeled demeanor, contrasting with showboats or big talkers.
  • “Me, personally, like, if I make a good play... I’ll just walk off because, for one, I’d be tired.” (57:18)
  • “If you want to try to play me on the field, I just show you by just playing the game. I don’t need to talk because I don’t know how to talk.” (58:03)
• Ocho & Grant joke about getting him to open up on the field; Stingley laughs it off.

Players He Studies & Competes Against (61:08–69:44)

• Models game after Champ Bailey: “He’s always been the first... anywhere, number 24. That’s the guy.” (61:33)
• On following top receivers (“frequent flyer miles”): “That’s a mindset. Like, I just want to cover the best.”
• Toughest WR matchups since entering the league:
  • “I've always said Garrett Wilson with the Jets... since I've been in the league... I think I played against him like twice already... he's nice.” (69:34)
  • Also mentions Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, and others: “It’s so many people. I can’t even... but yeah.”

On Expectations and Professional Growth (62:52–64:39, 67:23–68:10)

• Stingley puts high expectations on himself for technique and consistency: “Sometimes... I had like, interceptions. I could have had double that same thing for right now... those are the things that bug me.”
• Focuses on doing his job within the defensive scheme: “Do what you’re supposed to do, and then the results... it comes.” (67:23)

Fun Moments: Cover One Elite DB Camp & LSU (71:02–74:42)

• Stingley and his father run “Cover One Elite,” a DB camp (recently held in Puerto Rico, possibly Greece next)—open to all positions, so long as you’re willing to work.
• On LSU’s tradition and the hiring of a new coach: “It really just comes down to... the players... buying into themselves first.”

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• On Lamar Jackson’s “Overrated” Label:

  • Florio: “Overrated, my goddamn ass. Now that... that's a bunch of bullshit.” (28:09)
  • Grant: “Only quarterbacks get measured by wins. And Super Bowls. No other, no other position.” (30:09)

• On Joe Burrow’s Confidence:

  • Florio: “When my quarterback say something... you listen to that. You stand on that when he say that, because he will come back and prove you wrong.” (05:12)

• On Stingley’s Mindset:

  • Stingley: “If you want to try to play me on the field, I just show you by just playing the game. I don’t need to talk because I don’t know how to talk.” (58:03)
  • Stingley: “He’s always [been] the first. [Champ Bailey]... Number 24. That’s the guy.” (61:33)

• On the Burden of Ring Culture:

  • Grant: “Brady has three regular season MVPs, he has seven Super Bowls and five Super Bowl MVPs. So no matter what criteria you use, it's gonna be hard for somebody to overtake him.” (34:10)

• On Personal Expectations:

  • Stingley: “I got however many [picks] I have right now. I should have double that... those are the things that bug me.” (64:12)

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IMPORTANT TIMESTAMPS

• 03:24–13:16: AFC North Banter & Playoff Race
• 23:34–46:14: The Lamar Jackson “Overrated” Controversy & Legacy
• 51:22–74:57: Derek Stingley Jr. Interview (Personal story, technical discussion, football culture)
• 52:36: Stingley details his press coverage technique
• 57:16–59:23: On emotional control and trash talk
• 69:34: Stingley’s toughest WR matchups
• 71:02: Cover One Elite camp and pro development

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EPISODE TONE & ATMOSPHERE

• Authentic, spirited, witty: Hosts remain playful yet fiercely opinionated.
• Camaraderie: Plenty of trash talk and good-natured ribbing.
• Expert insight: Especially when delving into positional technique (Stingley) and long-term player legacies.

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For Listeners:

This episode is both fun and illuminating, offering insight into football culture from the inside. The banter is as entertaining as the expertise—whether you’re a fan of gridiron debates or want a peek into how elite NFL corners think and prepare, this episode delivers strong opinions, technical deep-dives, and no-holds-barred conversation.

Transcript

[Michael Florio]

I turned off news altogether.

[Marcus Grant]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Michael Florio]

We got clear facts.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Marcus Grant]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

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[Derek Stingley Jr.]

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[Michael Florio]

I fell in love with the Grind. You have to find joy in the work you do when no one else is around. Success is not an accident. I'm passing the ball to you. Let's go.

[Marcus Grant]

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[Michael Florio]

Come on, Joe. Yeah. You know, our division is wide open. There's a lot of. I think Pittsburgh's 5 and 4 at this point.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

We play them this week, so, you.

[Michael Florio]

Know, everything is still there in front of us. It's very rare that our division looks.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Like this, but it does this year.

[Michael Florio]

And so, you know, I think we'll be at least in it until the end.

[Marcus Grant]

Is it fair to say with the wild cards that the best path forward.

[Michael Florio]

Would be winning the North? I think it would be very difficult.

[Marcus Grant]

For us to be a wild card.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Team at this point.

[Michael Florio]

Obviously, a lot. A lot of football to be played.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

But, you know, I think that's difficult.

[Michael Florio]

I think our best path would be win the division. Oh, Joe, talk. Hey, Joe, talk your talk. And the funny thing about it is every time I hear Unk. Yes, yes, you unk. You know, you talk about the division, the first thing you do is you talk about your goddamn Ravens being able to come back after they. They. They talk about the. The Ravens going, listen, there's a chance that we don't win it. Why would you think that? Why would you think the Ravens are come back and win it before the Bengals do?

[Marcus Grant]

Because they got a better.

[Michael Florio]

Why? Because our defense is bad? I mean, I'm asking, is it because our defense is bad?

[Marcus Grant]

Yeah.

[Michael Florio]

Oh. So I'm saying y' all had one good game. Y' all played defensive. All of a sudden, y' all all world. Y'. All.

[Marcus Grant]

Y'.

[Commercial Announcer]

All.

[Michael Florio]

Y' all back and have the best chance to win the division. No, you don't.

[Marcus Grant]

Your defense, their defense is better than yours.

[Michael Florio]

Right. You know, I like that you did that.

[Marcus Grant]

Their defense is.

[Michael Florio]

But it's still. It's still bad.

[Marcus Grant]

But the only thing that's wide open is the booking window for those vacation Joe Burrow need to book. They say if you book your. They say for domestic travel, the best time is 38 days before you actually fly. A hundred days.

[Michael Florio]

Right, right.

[Marcus Grant]

International. So, Joe, the way I'm calculating things, your season gonna be over probably the first week in January, so. So you can get a break. On some flights.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, let me tell you something. One thing you. Hey, One thing you don't want to do is when. When my quarterback say something, when a quarterback with that kind of confidence that's coming off surgery, a toe surgery, he says, we have a chance, and our chance at winning the division is not. Not being a wild card. Not being a wild card, but winning the division. You listen to that. You stand on that when he say that, because he will come back and prove you wrong.

[Marcus Grant]

First of all, they put man on the moon, so anything is possible.

[Michael Florio]

I don't even. I don't even know if that was real. That was AI.

[Marcus Grant]

And this right here, what he said was, AI, I'm glad you brought. If you think. If you think y' all gonna win the division. The Ravens are winning that division.

[Michael Florio]

Hold on. The quarter. The quarterback, our quarterback said there's a chance we can win the division because it hasn't been clear as this this season. It looks a little different like this.

[Marcus Grant]

But it does this year.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, hey.

[Marcus Grant]

It's up in the air all the time.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, we have a chance because our offense is phenomenal.

[Marcus Grant]

Y' all further behind than the Cowboys.

[Michael Florio]

You know what? Now we're not gonna.

[Marcus Grant]

If we put. We got it on the screen right now, the playoffs, it'll be Indy, number one seed, 8 and 2. Broncos 8 and 2. Two seed New England 8 and 2. Three seed Pittsburgh 5 and 4. The Chargers 73, Buffalo 6 and 3. Jacksonville 5 and 4. The Chiefs out of the playoffs at 5 and 4. Houston Texans 4 and 5. Baltimore 4 and 5. Bengals 3 and 6. Miami 3 and 7. Hey, Pittsburgh will stop a mud hole in y'. All. They got Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh, right?

[Michael Florio]

Yeah. Hey, let me. Let me ask you something. We got Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh and we. And when we win, what you gonna have to say? What you gonna have to say Sunday when we.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, y' all got Pittsburgh, New England and the Ravens. Oh, and three. It's over.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, hey. We might. We might throw for 200, 2,500 yards in the next three games.

[Marcus Grant]

You know what that say?

[Michael Florio]

The next three game, we might throw for 2500 yards.

[Marcus Grant]

Oo.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, 48, 40 points a game.

[Marcus Grant]

Oo. You cook? You like cook? Barbecue, right? Everybody moto, when you cook barbecue, slow and low. So guess what? Slow in low. These next three games, I'mma put y' all in the oven at 250, and I'm gonna let y' all cook at 250 with a. When that thing hit in three weeks. Hey, good night, Irene.

[Michael Florio]

I want you to keep that same energy when we get on here Sunday. You hear me? I want you to keep that same energy when we get on the show Sunday after we beat.

[Marcus Grant]

Y' all ain't gonna beat the Steelers. They gonna get right on y'. All. Get right on y'. All. All right.

[Commercial Announcer]

You go.

[Michael Florio]

Remember, you get. Hey, you.

[Marcus Grant]

You.

[Michael Florio]

What happened to them getting right the last time we played him? What happened?

[Marcus Grant]

A little temporary fit back. Y' all won 33, 33, 33, 31. But you won't win this week. Hey, did. What happened the next week. 39, 38. Lost to the Jets. 42. 42, 47, 42. Lost to the Bears. Buy the lose to the Steelers. Go lose to the Patriots. Go lose to the Ravens. You know what? Ain't gonna lose to the Bills and gonna lose to the Ravens again. And then y' all might beat the Cardinals and the Browns and the Dolphins, but it be too late. Like the words of Tabaris, too late.

[Michael Florio]

Sound good. Hey, you got a whole lot of energy. You got a. You got a whole lot of energy body, but it. Listen, you think we. You think we don't have a chance?

[Marcus Grant]

Look who's crying.

[Michael Florio]

Boy. I can't. I can't wait to Sunday.

[Marcus Grant]

I love it when a player come together.

[Michael Florio]

What was the plan?

[Marcus Grant]

The plan? Broncos in the playoffs, y'. All. Not two years in a row back to back.

[Michael Florio]

Oh, listen. Hey, bro. Two years back to back and home. And after the first. After the first round.

[Marcus Grant]

Hey, you. You need me to get you tickets to a Bronco playoff game? Because I can do that for you.

[Michael Florio]

Nah. No, no. There's a chance I'm gonna have something.

[Marcus Grant]

You won't have nothing in Cincinnati.

[Michael Florio]

My quarterback. If my quarterback said we're gonna win the division, I'm standing on business on what he said. I'm taking him. I'm taking his word for it.

[Marcus Grant]

You said that last year. We. We going to the playoff. That's how you owe me 52. 5,900.

[Michael Florio]

No, it ain't.

[Marcus Grant]

That ain't.

[Michael Florio]

Oh. Bet betting games throughout the season. I got you. I got you.

[Marcus Grant]

Hey, y' all losing next three at Steelers loss. Patriots lost. Ravens lost. Bills lost. Raven. The next five games, y' all won't win. If y' all win one game, y' all might win one, but you won't win more than one game of the next boat. Hey, I bet you'll go to doorknob to a bucket of cow manure, and I'll let you put up the Cow manure. I bet you a five pound bucket of cow manure and I will put up a golden doorknob.

[Michael Florio]

I love your confidence. I love your confidence. And I love the fact that you don't have confidence in my team, with my team and my quarterback who just came back from surgery.

[Marcus Grant]

Is he playing?

[Michael Florio]

He will be. He'll be back in two.

[Marcus Grant]

Is he playing? All I know. Lost. 40, 18. He'll be back.

[Michael Florio]

28.

[Marcus Grant]

3. Lost. 37. 24. Lost. 27. 18. 1. 33. 31. Lost. 39. 38. Lost. 47, 42. 1. About to lose again.

[Michael Florio]

He be back in two weeks.

[Marcus Grant]

Actually, he can't come back for three weeks, but anyway.

[Michael Florio]

Okay, three weeks. Me. Either way. Either way. Flo is carrying the helm. Flaco steering the ship, and he. He's steering it very well.

[Marcus Grant]

Iceberg.

[Michael Florio]

Now, Star, what we need to do.

[Marcus Grant]

You hear me?

[Michael Florio]

What we need to do. Hey, hey. We need them pirates on defense.

[Marcus Grant]

We need them to show up.

[Michael Florio]

That's it. All right?

[Marcus Grant]

You hear that? Alert you ain't adhered to it. Yeah, everybody can see that big iceberg except you and your Bingles.

[Michael Florio]

Don't worry about it. Hey, keep that same energy with this Sunday when we win.

[Marcus Grant]

I want.

[Michael Florio]

Hey. I want your apology to be just as loud as the disrespect.

[Marcus Grant]

You lost to the Jets. Y' all lost. Y' all lost to the Jets. Y' all lost to a quarterback that threw for 54 yards. He's had two games in which he's thrown for less than 100 yards. Y' all lost to that team.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, you. You know what? Y' all almost lost to him, too.

[Marcus Grant]

Whoa, whoa.

[Michael Florio]

Y' all almost lost to him, too.

[Marcus Grant]

What you mean almost?

[Michael Florio]

But you sitting here boasting like y' all. When y' all played him, you. Y' all was any better. Y' all weren't no better either.

[Marcus Grant]

Eight and two is better than three and seven. If y' all won three games. Two. Three. Y' all just won three games.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

What does this mean?

[Michael Florio]

We're gonna be all right. We're gonna be all right. But when we get into playoffs, what you gonna do when that playoffs come? That regular season record don't really matter. It's a new season. That start over because it's one. It's one and done. One game, you go home. Which football team plays the best on that specific day is all it comes down.

[Marcus Grant]

Y' all haven't played better than any other team, but. Except three times in 10 games.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, that's regular season, huh?

[Marcus Grant]

Y' all good? Well, y' all not going to no playoffs.

[Michael Florio]

All right, hold on.

[Marcus Grant]

Y' all allergic to the playoffs? I got some Benadryl. I'm bringing you Benadryl because I know you about to have a long a reaction. The Broncos are the longest winning streak in a decade despite an offense that has struggled to muster only 10 points. Despite the Broncos being 8 and 2, the vibes have been low on the opposite side of the ball, and J.K. dobbins, the Broncos running back, expressed his frustrations. Excuse me. Chat. Yeah, cool. We're aim to, but the defense is winning us these games. We're not helping them. We're not doing them any justice. I feel bad the way we play on offense and the way they play on defense because they're doing such a great and we're doing so bad. It just sucks because they're out there. So many plays, playing their butts off. We can't keep doing this to them. Thursday was the fourth time this season in which the Broncos had at least 10 accepted penalties called against them, finishing with 11 pennies for 78 yards. Eight of those infractions came on the offense. The Broncos are the second most penalized offense in the league, having been called for 52 penalties, including decline penalties. And you say we clean that up on Joe and walk off. The Colts beat us on a walk off. The. The Chargers beat us on a walk off. Yeah, y' all just get walked over.

[Michael Florio]

Hold on, hold on. A team that is better than y' all beat y'.

[Marcus Grant]

All.

[Michael Florio]

You understand, right? Teams that are better than y' all beat y'.

[Marcus Grant]

All. Yeah.

[Michael Florio]

The charges, the Chargers, offensively, they're better than you. And your defense wasn't able to come that way.

[Marcus Grant]

They kicked the 50 something yard walk off field goal, Ocho.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

Also the Jets. So the jets are better than y'. All. Okay. Glad you said that.

[Michael Florio]

The jets are better than you.

[Marcus Grant]

The jets are better than the Bengals.

[Michael Florio]

Why would you say that?

[Marcus Grant]

Cause they beat you. Walked you down. Oh, so the Broncos are better than you all 28 to 3?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

No.

[Marcus Grant]

The Vikings are better than you all 48 to 10. Huh. Wow.

[Michael Florio]

You. You. Can I ask you a question? You. You really think that I know that.

[Marcus Grant]

I don't think I know that.

[Michael Florio]

All I got to say is my quarterback a 57 days after surgery, he stood in front of the media and said, we're going to the playoffs, Ocho.

[Marcus Grant]

The Bengals suck.

[Michael Florio]

Even. Hey, even if he. Even. Even if he didn't exactly say it, his tone, his mannerisms let me know we going. And that's all I. That's all I can go off of. So if he said it, we going. No matter what you say, no matter who we lost to in the past.

[Marcus Grant]

Go lose Sunday to who? The Steelers?

[Michael Florio]

You really think we going to lose to the Steelers after that performance they put up? Man, please.

[Marcus Grant]

T.J. watt, High Smith, they probably have about. They have three and a half. At least three and a half. Both sacks combined.

[Michael Florio]

They didn't have that in the first one.

[Marcus Grant]

They'll get it. This one.

[Michael Florio]

TJ Wat didn't get. T. TJ Wat didn't get a second the last time they played the Bengals. Into the fourth quarter. Damn. Then garbage time. What are you talking about?

[Marcus Grant]

That's what you did. You get garbage. When you play garbage teams, what you expect them to get?

[Michael Florio]

I like, I like, I like that energy. I like that. I like that. I like it. Keep that same minute, your day coming.

[Marcus Grant]

Ocho. Ocho. After random drug test two weeks ago, doctors discovered that Broncos linebacker Alex Singleton. Singleton had testicular cancer. Tumor that been removed today after Denver defeated the Raiders on Thursday night football. The prognosis is excellent for me and my family. Singleton announced today. For Broncos fan, I fully expect to return to the field very soon. Routine test, bro, that's a lot. That's what I'm saying, man. Y' all gonna get the test.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, that's dope.

[Marcus Grant]

Hey, all these high ass premiums. I'm gonna get my money's worth. Yeah, I'm getting my money's worth. I go up there, man, ain't nothing wrong with you. Well, I'm gonna let him tell me that you ain't telling me that you ain't got no medical degree at all. So I'm gonna let the doctor that went to school for all this tell me ain't nothing wrong with me. And I'm gonna let them scans, I'm gonna get mri, I'm gonna get CT scan, I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get all kind of, all kind of scans.

[Michael Florio]

I want to know, I didn't want to know.

[Marcus Grant]

Getting everything. High ass premiums. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get my money working.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, that's dope. That's live.

[Marcus Grant]

Well, that's live. I'm glad they were able to catch this. Alex, man, prayers up for you and your family. Hey, early detection is the key. So if possible, guys, go get checked out. Women, go get your mammograms, go get your things, go get your, you know, your physical, your routines. Hey, something don't feel right. It's not in your head. Just go check out. Let the doctors tell you. Let them them scans tell you something's not right. Let let's tell you something right. You know, you're fine. Everything checks out. Just think about it. Like I said, a lot of some of these cancers are are, you know, you can't prevent them, but detected early enough, they're treatable.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

So kudos to Alex. Good job Broncos.

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[Marcus Grant]

Oo Bleacher Report ranks his top are five most overrated quarterbacks. They name Lamar Jackson as the most overrated quarterback in NFL. Said he may not just be one today's most overrated active quarterbacks, but also of all time. His two time MVP status is borderline fraudulent. His credentials don't measure up to other legends who've won the award on numerous occasions. Other 10 players that have joined multiple MVP clubs during the super bowl era. Jackson is the lone member without a Super bowl ring. All the others on that list include Johnny Unitis, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Patrick Mahomes were able to take their team to multiple super bowl appearances and won at least once. Jackson has yet to even reach the big game. He's 3 and 5 lifetime in playoffs and has a.375 postseason winning percentage. Percentage that stands far away the worst among multiple MVP winners. First of all, Steve Young did not take no team to multiple MVPs. He was a backup. He took his team to one MV, to one Super bowl and he did win it. That was in 1994. He threw six touchdowns in Miami to beat the Chargers. So let's, let's. I like to give context. Steve Young did not go to multiple Super Bowls. Now also, if I'm not mistaken, I think Earl Morrow. Didn't Earl Morrow start one of those super for the the Colts. Oh, you had a two. Oh, Johnny United did. Or Earl. Yeah, Miami. Johnny. Johnny went to two. Two Colts went to two Super Bowls. I know they beat the Cowboys on the field. Go. Who? Johnny. Yeah. Okay, okay, look, I get it. Yes. And, and Ocho, we talked about this. This is the only the albatross. This is the elephant in the room. You see the names that are on this list that have won multiple MVPs. Lamar is the only one that hasn't been to a Super Bowl. That's not to say Ocho, his career is not ending tomorrow.

[Michael Florio]

Absolutely not.

[Marcus Grant]

Which makes everybody jumped on me when I said his career will be looked at as a disappointment if he doesn't get to a Super bowl considering what he had accomplished. You base it on what these other guys see. You can't just look, well, he won two MVPs. You got to look at the company that he's in. That's one. Two MVPs. Now you start looking at it, you're like, well damn, he has to get the one. Aaron Rodgers went to one. He has to get to at least one. And then we look at him totally different. He gets the one and he wins it. We look at him differently. Oo. We just do.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, absolutely. But, yeah, listen, I understand the company had to keep. The fact that he's won two MVPs, the fact that he's one of those MVPs, those that are in the chat, that are listening, that are watching, you have to understand that he's in a different class of his own. In a different class, for that matter. So when it comes to judging him, he judged based off his. His what is not. Compadres, what's the word I'm looking for? People in the company, his peers. He's he judged based on his other peers that won MVPs, as well. And most of them, if not all, have been to a Super bowl, whether they won a Super bowl or not. So he jumped off of that. But the whole overrated part is the part I don't like. That's the part I don't like saying that he's overrated because he hadn't gotten there yet when he's still playing in only a seventh, maybe eighth year. I'm not sure which one it is. It's ridiculous.

[Marcus Grant]

Nothing about Lamar's first year.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, okay, but. But nothing about Lamar Jackson and what he brings to the table, what he bring to the NFL would he bring to the ball. Baltimore Ravens in general and giving them a chance and having them in contention every goddamn year. Nothing about that is overrated.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

I.

[Michael Florio]

That's the part I don't like. Now, that is more. To me, it's more clickbait. There should be a different title when it comes to talking about the quarterbacks that have won MVPs and have been or won a Super bowl, that the title should be goddamn different. Overrated, my goddamn ass. Now that. That's a bunch of bullshit.

[Marcus Grant]

Well, let me ask you a question. But when you looking at him. You bet. See, here's the thing. They're not. See, you're looking at him against his peers. They're looking at me against his peers that have won two MVPs. So when you look at him, look at the class that he's in. You compared him to my homeboy. Two MVPs, five Super bowl appearances, three wins.

[Michael Florio]

Right?

[Marcus Grant]

Looking at Peyton Manning, five MVPs, three Super bowl appearances, two wins. You looking at Tom Brake. Move on. You look.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

You looking at Brett Favre?

[Michael Florio]

How about. How about this? Everybody on that list Everybody on that list, except one person, is already done and not playing anymore.

[Marcus Grant]

Correct?

[Michael Florio]

Everybody on that list is done and not playing. So how about we wait until he's done playing and then we justify whether he belongs in that company or not or whether he's overrated or not. And even if he doesn't go to a goddamn super bowl, what he's going to continue to do, the resume that he's going to put together, whether he wins three more MVPs and doesn't make a goddamn super bowl or not. Nothing about Lamar Jackson is overrated. I know the fact the way we judge quarterbacks is based on wins and losses and rings and hardware and all that. But when it comes down to the nitty gritty, when you're talking to people that played the game, forget the media, forget the pundits, forget those that never played the game. Nothing about Young Bull out of goddamn Pompano who played for Boyne Beach High School, is overrated. Whether he has the goddamn ring or not, he will still go down as one of the best, the best quarterbacks to ever play this goddamn game. How do we judge Dan Marino? Do we say Dan Marino's not one of the greats because he didn't want to ring?

[Marcus Grant]

See, here's the thing. Ocho. G R E A T Great. Now, if we add est one of the greatest. Yes, that's what he's going for. You see, you said something very interesting, and this is, and this is actually true, Only quarterbacks get measured by wins. And Super Bowl. No other, no other position. Super Bowls matter, okay?

[Michael Florio]

Right?

[Marcus Grant]

Not like they do for a quarterback. Because, Ocho, even when, when Brady wasn't putting up numbers like Peyton Manning, they said he was better than Manning because what did he have that Manning didn't? Championships. Think about it. Now, Peyton Manning had won multiple. Multiple MVPs. Brady had three Super Bowls. Manning had three regular season MVP. They say, well, Brady's better, right? Because Brady has, as you was pointing to your fingers, that's how they, oh, I don't set the rules. You see what happened with ring culture? You see what has it done. It'll make people jump around and go try to find the best situation where they can win a ring. And then they shut you up and it's like, okay, I've already done what.

[Michael Florio]

I needed to do now, no more argument. It's no more arguing. At that point, especially when it comes to basketball, you have those that, that, that have to chase the ring because of ring culture in the rules, the unwritten Rules, Matter of fact, how about that? The unwritten rules. Cause who the hell came up with it? Who the hell?

[Marcus Grant]

I don't know. Because they were saying. They were saying Jordan was better than Magic, and Magic had five rings. They were saying Jordan was better than Bird, and Bird had three MVPs. And three rings.

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[Marcus Grant]

He's the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs. You gotta go all the way back to Wilt. So what has happened is that now I give you another one. The next couple years, people gonna say, Shanghai Otani is the greatest basketball player we've ever seen. He's got four MVPs. He's got them unanimously. He's got two Super. He got two World Series wings. Ocho, he had one of the great postseason performance where he struck out 10 and hit three home runs. Now he mess around and get another one and win another World Series. Who? We. Who what? We. Who what we gonna compare him to? Because we.

[Michael Florio]

There's nobody.

[Marcus Grant]

Or MVPs. Unanimously.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Marcus Grant]

So you see, once you start. And Barry Barnes was so great, even everybody that played against him said, that is the greatest player that I've ever seen. Greg Maddox said, well, it was really easy to pick the Barry. If it mattered, you walked him. He said his job was to get 27 outs. You don't get them on him. So pick the other eight guys to get and figure and figure it out. So when you look at Ho Cho, I get. Look, it's hard to say a man. A man like Lamar, and maybe you're right. Maybe overrated is a harsh term. But I think if we. They're looking. They're looking at it as the 10 guys that have something that no other guys have, and that is. Think about the NFL. How long has been going on.

[Michael Florio]

Hold on, stay with me. Stay with me real quick now. So if we. If we talk about hardware, right? And hardware. Hardware puts quarterbacks in a different. In a different tier where we're not just great, but greatest. So are we saying, like, Ben Roethlisberger belongs in that tier 2? Are we saying Russell Wilson also belongs in that tier 2? When we talk about quarterbacks that are the greatest because they.

[Marcus Grant]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But here's the thing, Ocho. None of these. None of those guys have regular season mvps, okay? Oh, so there. Okay, there. There. There's a.

[Michael Florio]

So we can't. We.

[Marcus Grant]

Has anybody ever said Ben Roethlisberger was greater than Tom Brady. Peyton Manning.

[Michael Florio]

No.

[Marcus Grant]

So when you. So when you look at it, and so when you. When you look at it, you have to have regular season MVPs. That. Those matter. Now, when you. When you start Getting post season MVPs, that means you won the Super Bowl. See, you see, Brady is hard. Hold on, hold on. Brady has three regular season MVPs. He has seven Super Bowls and five Super Bowl MVPs. So no matter what criteria you use, it's gonna be hard for somebody to overtake him. Unless my homeboy gets five MVPs. Let's just say for the sake of argument, we have a compelling case. If my homeboy. My homeboy is not even 30. I think he just turned 30.

[Michael Florio]

He got a long way to go. Yes, he got a long way to go.

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[Marcus Grant]

And the thing. He just turned 30. So when you look at Ocho, I think that is the thing. They're comparing him in this elite category. Elite, which is guys that have won multiple MVPs. It ain't that many quarterbacks. That's one, two. What is it? Unanus, Manning, Rogers, Brady, Favre, Montana, Young, Warner, Mahomes. It's nine. Lamar makes 10.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

He's the only one that's never been to a Super Bowl. Now, if he doesn't get to a Super bowl, what are they gonna say? Ocho, honey, be honest. You know what they're gonna say.

[Michael Florio]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we know what they gonna say. We know what they gonna say. But hey, listen, I know what they're gonna say, but I know my eyes and seen all the years I've seen him play.

[Marcus Grant]

Let me do you one better. They say guys that got super bowl rings at the receiver position better than Ocho. Cause Ocho ain't got no rings, but you run circles around them on the field. You see how they did? You see how they did? You see? You see how they did that?

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, I got you. I got. Listen, I'm with you when you're right now, picking up what you put down.

[Marcus Grant]

That's what I'm saying.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

So now. So just imagine they do that for the receipt. So imagine if a quarterback. That's what I said.

[Michael Florio]

Oh, yeah. It's even worse. It's even worse now. I hate that it's like that. I hate that it's like that. It's somewhat of an unwritten rule, just like the unwritten rule of hockey when it comes to fighting. Just like the unwritten rule. Unwritten rule in baseball. Like, I understand It, I hate that it's like that, hey, ring culture when it comes to talking basketball, it matters. Nobody.

[Marcus Grant]

It just does.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, it matters, but that's just the way it is. But I mean, listen, it is what it is. I think, I think with the way obviously they didn't have a good year, a good start to the year. They, obviously they still can come.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, you to Ravens?

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think they're going to win the division. I think they're going to get, they're going to get a home game. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think they're gonna win the division.

[Michael Florio]

So what about, so what you think, what you think we gonna do?

[Marcus Grant]

So I think y' all could do nothing.

[Michael Florio]

Hold on, hold on. I tell you what, I know, I tell you what, I'm very serious tonight. I'm very serious tonight. But I tell you this, I will give you guys a division. If we lose to the Steelers, which I doubt we do. If we lose to the Steelers, I say you guys are probably going to win the division at that point. But if we go in there and we beat the Steelers and that momentum, I tell you, I tell you what, that momentum, the rest of the season is going to be hell. I don't, I don't give two, you know what, two drops of dried up pigeon. You know what, on concrete, how bad our defense is that momentum offensively, man, listen, man, I don't know. It's going to be tough now. We, if we, if we lose to the Steelers, I mean, that's it. It's a wrap.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Michael Florio]

I mean, our season, our season is over.

[Marcus Grant]

Yeah. And so that's, that's, that's the thing because you know, you, you look at Lamar and it's, it's tough because in his era he got Mahomes. There are a lot of quarter. There are a lot of people that's going to get overlooked just like they got overlooked. Ben didn't get the credit that he deserves. Drew Brees didn't get the credit that they deserved because why they played in the era with smack dab with Peyton Manning and, and Tom Brady and you're talking about guys that got eight regular season MVPs and 10. No, hell no. Tom, Tom is nine and 12 Super bowl appearances with nine wins.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah. God, that's crazy, man. You know what's so funny too is if is we've been spoiled, we've been spoiled by the Peyton Mannings and then the Tom Brady's and the Patrick Mahomes and the Joe Montana. And people don't understand how difficult the Aaron Rodgers, the Brett Favre. They don't understand Brent Rodgers. All these quarterbacks in is 32 teams. It's 32 teams and it's only a handful of quarterbacks in each hand.

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[Michael Florio]

Almost over 30 years that are tier one quarterbacks. That just lets people know how difficult that position is and how special those are that are in those conversations that we're talking about. And the fact that Lamar's name is in those conversations and winning two MVPs and those unwritten rules kind of give you like a. He's not really there yet until he does this, so he got to get there. I'm not sure when it's going to happen, but it's gonna happen before his career.

[Marcus Grant]

Yes. My bad. Tom has 10 Super bowl appearances.

[Michael Florio]

God damn.

[Marcus Grant]

He has 10.

[Michael Florio]

Oh, that's crick.

[Marcus Grant]

Lost to Eli twice and lost to a Nick Foles.

[Michael Florio]

Yes. On the trick.

[Marcus Grant]

The Philly special.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, yeah, the Philly special.

[Marcus Grant]

Ocho. Now here's the next five. They had Lamar number one, had Jordan Love number two, Justin Herbert, number three. Dak Prescott number four. Trevor Lawrence, number five. Now, Trevor Lawrence need to be with Lamar. Is. I'm gonna put Lamar down there. If you go put. You go put them on this list. I'm gonna put him down at five. Right? Man, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence, man. I don't think Justin Herbert's overrated. Let's see now that he has Jim Harbaugh. The one thing we know about Jim Harbaugh.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

He. He gonna win. They're gonna play like stay out defense. And he gets, he gonna get to a Super Bowl. I'm not gonna say it's gonna be this year.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, but he definitely, he definitely gonna get.

[Marcus Grant]

He getting there.

[Michael Florio]

Listen, and, and the way Justin Herbert is playing this year too, huh? Man, Justin Herbert is throwing that ball.

[Marcus Grant]

Absolutely.

[Michael Florio]

Hey. Hey, Quentin. It is Quentin Johnston. Quince Quentin Johnston, man. Young Bull. Young Bull got his confidence, playing extremely well. Ladarius McConkey playing extremely well. Keenan Allen, that veteran presence in that locker room, playing extremely well. So there really.

[Marcus Grant]

There really are no, the second.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, now I forgot about Ronde Gaston II catching hell of that ball. Being a Maran Hampton. I think he's coming back. He's coming back on the back on the back end of the season. I think he. I think he's gonna be back, you know, off of injury. They, they, they. They gonna make a nice little run. They, they gonna make a nice.

[Marcus Grant]

They absolute will. Jordan love. Jordan Love's gonna have to. He gonna have to get better, man. Jordan love. Jordan, Love gonna have to be better. I don't know. If somebody doesn't got in his ear and talking about, bro, you got to push the ball down the field, man. You make too much money. You make too much money to be. To. To be missing these throws, like. And I'm not saying you're gonna make every. You're not gonna make every throw. I get that. I understand. And I'm not trying to minimize playing that position because that's a position I.

[Michael Florio]

Couldn'T play very difficult.

[Marcus Grant]

But come on, bro, that. That's why they play. The more you get paid, the more expect, the more expectation and a burden that is placed on you. That's just the. That's just the rules of engagement.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, can you imagine. Can you imagine being responsible not only for a team, but playing the most important position on the field? The ball is in your hands the most. They paying you 50, $55 million a year? Matter of fact, forget a year. They paying you 50, $55 million in six months. Six months. And I need. I need you to carry this franchise.

[Marcus Grant]

Yeah.

[Michael Florio]

Man, you talk about pressure. I know. It's the game of football. It's what we all done since we were four years old, but, man. Man.

[Marcus Grant]

Yeah, but look, I'm with you, Ocho. I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a Super bowl. And once he gets there and he wins it, it's over.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, get that monkey off my back so I can go play freely, please. Thank you.

[Marcus Grant]

You see, Think about it. I give you a prime example. LeBron James had two MVPs, but he had never. Hadn't gotten to the Finals. He had. He had two, lost two, and then all of a sudden, he. He won and got that monkey off his back.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, it was a rap problem is.

[Marcus Grant]

You mess around and let Lamar get this thing, get the monkey off his back, he might get the. Might double you up. Go back to back. Jack.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah. Hey, I. I got one question, too. Now. Now that we're talking about those unwritten rules, especially in these conversations when it comes to quarterbacks and MVPs. It was. It was just on my. Well, well, it's kind of different because Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has a Super Bowl MVP in a ring, so he's not in that conversation.

[Marcus Grant]

Correct.

[Michael Florio]

Okay.

[Marcus Grant]

These are all. These are the only guys in the.

[Michael Florio]

Super bowl regular season MVPs that have.

[Marcus Grant]

At least two regular season MVPs.

[Michael Florio]

Right? Okay. Okay.

[Marcus Grant]

There are nine guys. Lamar make the 10th. Lamar is the only one that hasn't appeared any Super Bowl.

[Michael Florio]

Right. Okay.

[Marcus Grant]

And think about it. Peyton Manning never went back to back Tom. And Tom, Joe and Mahomes are the only ones to go back to back of the group. That right. Peyton didn't go to back to back Super Bowls.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

Kurt didn't. Kurt went 99. We won 2000. They went in 2001. And then he went again with Arizona. I think in. What was that? 2008. I think it was 2008 because 2009 was New Orleans. 2000, what you call them. Because 7 was the Giants, 8 was the Steelers. 9. 9 was. Yeah. 9 was New Orleans. 10 was the Giants again.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

11 was the Packers. Yeah. Yeah. 11 was the Packers, 12 were the Seahawks.

[Michael Florio]

All right.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. I be. I'm sorry. I'm just, I'm just, you know, just, just going. But like I said, oo. Once he gets that monkey off his back.

[Michael Florio]

Ooh, yeah, yeah, you're gonna be fine. And that. That hard. I'm.

[Marcus Grant]

Let's go.

[Michael Florio]

Because we've been on this thing about.

[Marcus Grant]

30 days because you know why it's hard? Because they say there's nothing like a game seven. Well, in the NFL there's. Every game is a game seven. Every game. Every game. Wild card game is game seven, divisional round, game seven, conference final, game seven, super bowl game seven, football. You play a game seven every time you step on the field in the playoffs, in football.

[Michael Florio]

Matter of fact, four weeks.

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[Michael Florio]

Four weeks of game. Four weeks of game seven.

[Marcus Grant]

Yes.

[Michael Florio]

And you gotta muster it up and play your best football. You got to play.

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[Marcus Grant]

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[Michael Florio]

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[Derek Stingley Jr.]

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[Michael Florio]

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[Marcus Grant]

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[Michael Florio]

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[Marcus Grant]

We got a very special guest joining us. We got Texans all world cornerback, man. He had an unbelievable one handed interception that really started to come back. They came down, came back from 19 down in the fourth quarter to win the ball game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, the division opponent. Here he is, a pro BOWLER All Pro. Three picks this season, including one against Trevor Lawrence. Here he is, Derek Stingley Jr. Sting. What's going on, bro?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Not much, man.

[Marcus Grant]

Man, thank you for joining us, man. We really, really appreciate that. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Michael Florio]

What's good?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

What's up? I'm always good.

[Michael Florio]

Okay. I like that energy. I like that energy. I see you in the off season.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. We gotta run.

[Marcus Grant]

Bro. Watching you play and I think the thing is about any great corner, the one thing that they all have is Patience. They ain't really biting that first move got. Look, bro, all that head stuff. Let me ask you a question. What are you looking at? You looking at his breastplate? You looking at his hips? Cause all this head doing all this and all that right there, and these hips still coming straight at me. So what, when you. When you lock in and you're playing press coverage, what are you watching?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

I'm looking more at the, like, mid thigh, the back leg.

[Marcus Grant]

Okay.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

To like. I start low, so then when your eyes go up a little bit, I end up around the hips and try to stay in that range right there.

[Marcus Grant]

So.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

How did you. How did you learn to be patient? Because a lot of times, you know, these receivers are really good at running, getting in and out of breaks. And I think the thing is that you can't be overreactive. Always biting the first move. Now, you know, sometimes, hey, sometimes they really are running a go, and sometimes they gonna run. You know, they trying to run you off and do this comeback or do this dig or do this over route. So. So how are you playing? I mean, obviously you study tape. You see formation, you're like, okay, you think y' all slick. Y' all think y' all got a three by one. You think you gonna fool me with this split, man, get out of here.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah, I mean, it's really. Because, I mean, I'm also fast. No, I feel like people don't think that, that I'm fast, but like, I'm.

[Marcus Grant]

They don't think you fast.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah, but I. I can run with pretty much anybody. So knowing that in my mind, like, you're not gonna run away from me. So I played like, low hip most of the time. I can. If we get down the field, the quarterback, you know, all quarterbacks don't throw accurate beat passes. So, you know, I can look back at a certain time knowing that the ball sometimes will be underthrown or inside or something like that. Then it's just gonna make a play off of that.

[Marcus Grant]

And you know you ain't gonna have much time to throw it. Y' all got those two edge guys coming off the edge. So you like, hey, I ain't gotta. I ain't gotta come alone.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah. And that's every snap like they, they. And it's not even just them. Like, it's the whole, like the interior like, they, they.

[Marcus Grant]

Yeah, you got rankings. You got those guys.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah, they pushing up the middle. And then you got the. The two on the outside and then they all rotate. So like, we got three People deep in every position on the D line, so every snap.

[Michael Florio]

But you, you want, you wanted a few. Obviously, I, I, I'm, I'm an enthusiast when it comes to, you know, some of the better db, just DB play in general, you know, and, and, and being able to watch all and, and study a game and study how you guys play. You have tremendous patience. You have tremendous patience similar to, to, to, to like Darrell Reavis in a sense. You're very good in bump and run. Watching the film, you can tell, you watch film a lot and you understand the tendencies and, and what's coming and what's not. And your ball skills are second to none. Your ball skills are second to none because you're one of the few, few DBs that when, when the ball is in the air, you actually look back for it and you don't panic. Most of the time, you, you already know most of the time. Everybody always panic, wants the ball in the air, and what the first thing you do, you pull your tug and you get a flag thrown. But your ball skills, man, is elite. You know, I haven't had a chance to give you your flowers, but just now I got chance to. But you, you wanted the best. You know, we talk about top two. You, you right up there. So it depends on, on who you, who you like based on preferences. Are you and brother. Brother P2 dying in. In.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate that.

[Michael Florio]

Yes, sir.

[Marcus Grant]

AD Sting. What's up, bro? Hey, tell me something. What have you learned from, you know, your father, your grandfather? Coaching and mentorship, you know, as you came into this league, what, what have they taught you kind of growing up?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Well, my dad. So you coached in the Arena Football League? For a long time. He played in Arena. And since I was a little kid, like as far back as I, I can remember, I'm doing DB drills with like, his players and like, with full pads on as a little kid or, or like running routes against his DBs as a little kid, like double moves or, you know, whatever like that. So being in that type of environment, it kind of taught me for one, like, the brotherhood that goes along with a, with a football team, because one they was, yeah, they was, I guess you could say, like they was those older figures that I saw as like, superstars. Like, it was just like a, like a family environment.

[Marcus Grant]

Right?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

And so that told me brotherhood and then, and then like seeing them go out there and play together, knowing that they was close, like off the field, whether that was dealing with me or, you know, doing Their own thing or whatever. And then for my dad, like, well, and then. And then adding on to that, like, my dad, he taught me how to deal with, like, energy levels on the. On the field. So, you know. You know, big talker.

[Marcus Grant]

He tried. He's getting you trying to get your head stained.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Oh, yeah. You know, like, he'll talk, and he'll do all that. But me, personally, like, if I make a good play, like, I. You. You probably won't see me do anything. Like. Like, whether. If it's like, PPU or something like that, like, I'll just walk off because, for one, I'd be tired. So, like, I don't have to do that. And then, like, if some. If something is too bad, then, you know, like, it's on to the next play. And I feel like, as a. As a defensive player, like, that's. That's just how you got to live life. And. Well, and it's really like that for offense, too. Like. Like a receiver, tight end, like. Like, you drop the ball, like, drop.

[Marcus Grant]

A pass, you got to move.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

You can't think about it, because then you start thinking about catching the football, you're gonna keep on dropping the rest of them.

[Marcus Grant]

So.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Right. You know, like, stuff like that, like, just regulating emotions and, you know, still playing with a passionate and being fierce with it. But everybody don't even know that. Like. Like, if you. If you want to try to play me on the field, I just show you by just playing the game. Like, I don't. I don't need to talk because I don't know how to talk.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, you don't talk.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

You said what?

[Marcus Grant]

I said you don't talk. So if somebody started yapping. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm about to. Oh, I'm about to get this one today. I'm about to get me a hundred today. Got to get me about a couple of tubs.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

I mean, I. I'll probably just look. Well, because I don't know how to talk trash talk. So, like, I'll just look and I'll. I'll either laugh or I'll just be like, okay. Like, all right. Like, oh, no.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe. I'm gonna get it out of him.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, I'm gonna get out of here.

[Marcus Grant]

Just like this here Ocho. He like, man, what you doing? So you about to smell the deodorant? Don't worry about it. Hey, hey, hey. D.C. telling y' all, look, that's gonna motivate him. He ain't gotta say nothing. Yeah, but he Gonna be like, okay, right? Like, it's a quiet confidence, bro.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Like, it's not. It doesn't matter who it is. Like. Like Ocho said, like, I know you. You say that you'll be able to get me to talk on the field, but I. I honestly would look at you crazy and you gonna. You'll be like, what? Like, is something wrong with him? Like. Like, why is he not.

[Michael Florio]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna get that work. I'm. Listen, I'm not gonna talk on the field. I'm gonna talk during the play. I'm gonna talk during the route. Like I'm different. Like, I'm different.

[Marcus Grant]

Gotta let him know. We gotta let you know, Sting. Hey, the whole time we got two quiet dudes versus two talkers. That first down on you. First down.

[Michael Florio]

Hey, hey, Sting. Hey, hey, hey. You know they hit me with. Hey, every time I catch a ball. Let me hit him with their own thing.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, yeah. I don't. Hey, hey.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

That don't affect. I don't do that. So that don't affect me. I'm saying, like, you don't. My mind is like, this is a still, like, just, I don't know, Cage or whatever. Like.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

I tell you what y' all do. Do you let. When you got the interception, y' all ran to the end zone. So I give me a touchdown. I'm calling on my teammate.

[Michael Florio]

Come on.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Let go to the end zone.

[Marcus Grant]

Let go, Ocho. Let go.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Look.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah. Hey, Stink. Hey, Stink.

[Marcus Grant]

You know.

[Michael Florio]

You know who whose thing remind me of too?

[Marcus Grant]

Hunk.

[Michael Florio]

And that's the way you carry yourself. And he's always, always even killed, no matter what. It's really hard to get him out of character. Andre Johnson. Yeah, exactly the same. Don't talk.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah.

[Marcus Grant]

Dre. Don't say nothing at all.

[Michael Florio]

At all.

[Marcus Grant]

Let me ask you a question. Who do you kind of pattern your game out there? Because, I mean, like, you kind of built like. Like Reavis, but, I mean, there's Charles Woodson, there's Rod Wilson. There's time. There's Rebus, there's Daryl Green, There's a Niels Williams. There have been a lot of great corners. Like, so did you study film when you watch it, like, okay, this is the direction I'm going in, and I think this is what I'm going to be at in college. This is what I'm going to be at the next level. Who do you kind of pattern your game after of? Is there any similarities that you see between Yourself and anybody that I mentioned. Maybe somebody I didn't.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah, nobody that you mentioned, but I've always. It's always been Champ Bailey for me.

[Marcus Grant]

Okay.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

He's always the. You know, he get the ball, he's locked down. He. He's interchangeable. If he need to go play somewhere else, like, in a different position, he can do it. Like, just because he know the. Know the defenses or. No football. Yeah, he just always been anywhere. Number 24. Like that. Yeah, that's. He's always been the first.

[Michael Florio]

That's the guy.

[Marcus Grant]

So you like. You like. Because I. I measure corners, and then it's not a knock on the corners that don't. But I like to see you get frequent flyer miles. I like to see you travel. I mean, if you got a bad dude and he don't. He. Normally. He's the X. I'm going, yeah, if he's a Z, I'm following there. If he in the slot, I' ma follow him there. If he in the backfield, I'm lining up like a linebacker. Wherever you go, just know I'm okay.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah, I.

[Michael Florio]

And that.

[Marcus Grant]

That's a.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

That's a part of it. Like. Like, that's a. That's a mindset. Like, I just want to cover the best. Like, if you're allowed to do it, you're allowed to do it. If you're not allowed to do it, then, you know, the people that aren't allowed to do it, I guarantee they wish that they can do it. Like, so that's something that you can't knock somebody for.

[Michael Florio]

I don't.

[Marcus Grant]

No, no, no, no. Some people just, like, they got the defenses, and you play left. He played right. Whatever the case. And that's how it was with Reavis and Crow. Normally, Reavis and Crow, they stayed. Crow stayed on one side, restayed on the other side. And so wherever you went, Sherman and when they were in Seattle, he was on one side and Brandon Browner was on the other side. So let me ask you a question. You got the big contract, and you know what comes along with big contracts? Even more expectations. You've gone to the Pro Bowl. You've been an all Pro. What are the expectations that Sting puts on himself? Damn. The outside pressure, what you put on yourself?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Well, really on myself. Like, it's more about, like. Like, technique. Like, it's sometimes, like. Like. Well, we kind of mentioned earlier patience. We were talking about patience. Right. So sometimes. Well, and then you also said, like. Like, kind of falling for the first move or Wanting to react to the first move. Like, like, yes. Like, people know I'm a patient defensive back at the line of scrimmage, so I'll get harder moves, like first steps, thinking that, okay, yeah, they're going like, you know, it's just a game within the game.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

So I, I'm part of myself, like, trying to make sure that I'm sticking true to who I am and, and controlling. Controlling the game myself. Not being reactive, but like, like, you know, like controlling the game. And then another thing is like, yeah, I got all the, the picks, the ball skills, whatever with the woo. But like, I've said this before. Like, last year I had however many. I had like, interceptions. I could have had double that same thing for right now. I got however many I have right now. I should have double that. Like, and those are the type of things that bug me because I know my pops is sitting in the stand somewhere just like, mad at me like, like Brown in the Sony. And I, I can feel them like, like just being mad at me.

[Marcus Grant]

So.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

But I'm also mad too. So, you know, like those, those are the, the main things for me because, you know, like, I know how to catch a football. So, like, why am I not catching the pass on this or. Or that? Or why is this person getting like an inch of separation when they're, when they're not supposed to? Like, like, you know, like, stuff like that, like normal. I mean, I feel like that's normal, like football stuff. Like.

[Marcus Grant]

Let me ask you this. Do you think we're gonna see somebody? Dick Night Train Lane, his rookie season, he had 14 picks. I think in 1980, Lester Hayes had 13 picks. And we haven't seen anybody. We've seen a 10. You saw. We just saw. He had 10. And we've seen a lot of 10. Champ Bailey, one year had 10, but we really haven't seen somebody get that 12, 13 to really challenge that 14. We do have an extra game now and I think Train got here. If they have having 12 games. I think if I'm not mistaken, could have been. I think it was 12 games. Nitro, who digs? Digs had 11. Do you think we'll see somebody ever get 15 picks in a season?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

15? I mean, you could, you could. You got enough to break the record. Like, let's say what's his name? Some Hall. He played for the, For Washington. For. For. Yeah, he. He had four in one game. So, like, I feel like if somebody. Yeah, it's somebody. Or, or this was either last year or Two years ago, Darius Slade going against uh, Justin Jefferson. And I think he had two or my. Yeah, I think he had two. But he could have had like six day games. So like those type of games were where you just catch all the ones you're supposed to kick.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah, you gotta catch all.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Then just play like your normal game. Like, you know, you get one every now and then, whatever then I think it's possible. But if you.

[Marcus Grant]

I think it's gonna probably come from us. It's probably gonna come from a safety, somebody that's roaming. Yeah, but you're right because normally they targeted, but once you start catching them, they start going away from me. Yeah.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Covering you, coming in the best receiver. Like they gotta throw him ball.

[Marcus Grant]

Oh, they gonna feed him now. But then that, then they gonna start, they gonna start stacking him, start running. You start running you off picks and everything and doing all that other stuff, try to run a bunch of shallow cross. Then they gonna whip you, they gonna start him in hard, do Zorro, do everything to try to get you off his tail.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Still opportunities though, like, like regardless, they gonna be there regardless of whether they try to hide the receiver or not. Like if you're on them, you own them. So that's the opportunity right there.

[Marcus Grant]

Hey, right now look, we know there only takes seven teams to the playoffs right now. You guys are four and five and you're third in your own. You're third in your own division. You lost a couple of games that you looking at. I mean, I'm sure when you went back and watched the film, like that team shouldn't have beat us. That team should not have beat us. What are you guys going to do? You're four, nine, four and five with eight games to play. What do you guys need to do to position yourselves to make sure if you're not challenging for the division, you get one of those remaining three playoff spots.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Well, I mean, you know, going into every week, you, you wash away the week before and you don't look past the week that you're on. But one of the things that, that my position coach, Dino, he, he always say just, just do your, do your job. Like, like do. Take care of what you got to take care of. And then like don't go out there chasing plays. Don't go out there like, like just doing your own thing. Like just do what you supposed to do. And then if everybody do that, then you know the result would be what you would want it to be. So I think everybody just got to do that. So. And that's that's with every sport, that's with every job. That's with life. That's with everything. Just do what you're supposed to do, and then, you know, the results still, it comes.

[Marcus Grant]

Well, you will get some opportunities to get some picks. You got the Titans coming up. You got Calvin Ridley, Buffalo, they got a bunch of guys. And then the Colts, they got Pearson Pittman Jr. And then you got the Chiefs, you got Worthy, and you got Rashid Rice, and you got juju, so you go get some. And then you got the Cardinals, Marvin Harrison Jr. The Chargers got what they got, so you got some opportunities. So I'm expecting we have this conversation again in about. About eight weeks. I'm gonna be looking like, okay, Sting. I mean, last I talked to you had three. Now I need to see about six or seven. We talk again.

[Michael Florio]

Easy. Yeah.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah. I mean, you know, it is what it is.

[Marcus Grant]

I don't know.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Like.

[Marcus Grant]

No, it is what I did. I need sick. I need six or seven. I mean. Hey, hey, hey. These things stay locked in. Don't let them. Don't let them try to have you out here trying to jump on anything.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah.

[Michael Florio]

I got one more question. I got. I got one more question. You know, a lot of times, especially when a player is active, you know, they're in their prime, they're playing extremely well, and they play db, they never get opportunity to. To give receivers their flowers or receivers that really not saying beat them, but you got to really be on your A game. You got to dot your eyes and cross your T's. When you're playing against a certain person that really have you out there thinking, you know, you got to bring your A game. Is there anybody that comes to mind for you since you've been in the league? Well, you just know. Okay. When I'm playing, so and so I got to be.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Oh, well, yeah. Since I've been. Yeah. Yeah. It's a. Actually, it's a lot of people because we're in the NFL. Like, everybody.

[Marcus Grant]

Right, Right.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

But I've always said Garrett Wilson with the. With the jets, like, he. Like, I remember the first time I went against him, we was at some. Like, we was at some high school camp. It was opening or something like that. Ryan Clark was actually my. My coach.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Gary, he ran like, a slant route or whatever with the woo. And I'm playing, like, a deep third or something, and the ball is thrown so high, and I'm like 20 yards behind or like 15, 20 yards behind him. I'm thinking the ball coming Right to me, like.

[Marcus Grant]

And he jumps up so high.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Like, he jumps up so high. Catches the ball just running. And I'm just. He's looking at like. Yeah, but since I've been in the league, like, yeah. Going against him, I think I played against him like twice already.

[Marcus Grant]

Right.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

And he. Yeah, I mean, he's. He's nice. Like, he nice and then. But it's a lot of people.

[Marcus Grant]

It's so many people.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

I can't even. Devonte Adams always.

[Michael Florio]

Yeah.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Tyree, Mike Evans. Nobody talk about Mike Evans for some strange reason, like, like, he. He's Mike Evans. Like. Yeah, but it's a lot of people. I can't think of everybody, but. Yeah, right.

[Marcus Grant]

Derek, you and your dad, Derek Senior run Cover One Elite. Tell us about that. What is Cover One Elite?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

So it's really just like a. Like a DB camp, like a couple years, like. Well, we went to Hawaii for a couple years. Get some people like all throughout the league.

[Marcus Grant]

Okay.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Whether it's people I played like in college with or just know, like throughout the league. So they'll go down there. Last year we had it in Puerto Rico. Actually, we was just talking about it, like, maybe we can get this in Greece next year. Like, you know, like, just going, just.

[Marcus Grant]

What about safety? Y' all invite. Y' all invite 57 year old safety?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

I mean, hey, look, it don't matter if you want to come. You just know you're gonna work.

[Marcus Grant]

But damn, y' all working on a granddad day. If you want to come, you.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

You're gonna have to worry. Like, it ain't like you ain't getting no free trip, like, right. Oh, damn.

[Marcus Grant]

I thought I was gonna be able to go to Mykonos or Santorini, you know, get some olive oil, Ocho, some cheese.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Look, you can work. All right, so the way. The way it's set up is we. We normally go out there for like, I think it's like five days or something or six days. The first day, travel day, next day, work day, then you're off the next day, then you got another work day, then you're off the next. So you know, you can do whatever.

[Marcus Grant]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Yeah, you can do your business is your business, and then I ain't really no cover safety.

[Marcus Grant]

You don't think I. They call me graveyard. Cause when I leave the field, it bodies everywhere. So you know what I'm saying? All I want you to do is follow it to me. Hey, Sting, just follow it to me. Don't even worry about. Hey, don't even worry about. Got that slant. I got.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

It's all good.

[Michael Florio]

I got that.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

We got safety, we got line.

[Marcus Grant]

I'll put that soup on.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

We bring. We bring like four linebackers or. Or two to four linebackers, safeties, like, it's everybody. So come on.

[Michael Florio]

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[Marcus Grant]

That's up. Then you got look. You got look. You was on that 2019 national championship team, that great team, probably the greatest team, one of the greatest teams ever assembled in college. Arguably the. One of the greatest. You can make a case. It's the greatest offensive team. But what you guys were able to do, you. Joe. Joe Burrow was the quarterback in Jetta and Chase and Marshall and Thad Moss and Clyde Edwards Allaire and all those great offensive linemen, the DBs like yourself, they fired Brian Kelly. How do you guys get back to something similar to that? What lsu, that alums and. And everybody in boosters are proud to show up to Death Valley. No. We cutting somebody ass tonight?

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Well, honestly, I mean, it's. It really just come down to whoever they bring in, whoever. It doesn't. It doesn't matter who they bring in, like, as long as the. The players, like, they really buy in to being at lsu. Like, you know, you can. You can go to a certain school, you can. You can be from here and be from there, but once you get to where you're at, like, you got to know what the goal is in mind. Like, you, like, yeah, you're at this university. Yeah, you're doing all this and that, but the goal should be to get to the next level. So once everybody come get into tune with that, like, and really break down, like, how can we be great? Like, that's. That's what it's gonna take. So I don't think it matters, like, who. Who it is or. Or what it takes from the. I'm just saying from the coaching standpoint, like, that. That doesn't matter. Like, it's the players buying into themselves first and then the Colts, like, just adding on to that.

[Marcus Grant]

Because you got great facilities, tremendous fan base. Stadium is electric. Death Valley at night. There's nothing like playing in Death Valley at night, man. That's Derek Stingley Jr. The great all pro cornerback from the Houston, Texas D. Sting. Thanks for some time tonight.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

Appreciate it.

[Marcus Grant]

Continue success. Stay healthy. Look, when we talk to you in January, I'm gonna be looking at the stats because I know you got three. Now I'm like, okay, hey, Ocho, we got to call him back up. You don't got seven oh, yeah.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

I appreciate y' all though, man.

[Marcus Grant]

Appreciate you, man. Congratulations on all the success. Continued success. We'll see you down the road, bro.

[Derek Stingley Jr.]

All right, bro.

[Marcus Grant]

Derek Stingley, Jr. Ladies and gentlemen.

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