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Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. We got a very special guest joining. He had a monster game the week before. He told his former team, y', all, buckle up, buckle up, buckle up. And lo and behold, he came and gave him that work. 186 yards. I think he had over 230 yards. I think he had like 230 of total offense with receiving and running the football. Rico Dowdle joins us. Rico, how you doing, bro?
Rico Dowdle
Great, man. Can't complain. How you doing?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I'm doing amazing. I'm doing amazing, bro.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, all. All is well. Rd, before. Before UNC starts, my first question. My first question to you. Would you come into the game like that, obviously saying what you had to say, giving the team bulletin board material before the game even started? Did you have a chip on your shoulder? Did you have a chip on your shoulder going to that game?
Rico Dowdle
Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, that was one of those games I had circle early on in the season, But I think I always played chip on my shoulder since. Since coming into the league. So it's always a chip on my shoulder when I step out there.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I was surprised because you said this. They know it. Look, you were there, so they know what type of person you are. They know what type of running back you are. Do you think they underestimated you? They're like, man, this Rico just doing. Talking, man. Rico ain't gonna do none of that on us. What I mean, because obviously you said it. I mean, you just came off a monster performance the week before, and you called him out. You said, hey, buckle up.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, I probably. They probably underestimated me a little bit because they know, like you said, they know I talk to, like, and I'm gonna talk a little bit. He actually told me that before the game. Sam. I talked to Sam before the game. He was like, yeah, I told him. He was like, I told him. That's just you. You gonna talk. Da, da, da. I don't know what the chatter was in the locker room, but I don't think they relayed the message to the 14 doctor. I don't think they did it for sure.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, you. I. I think Obviously, rd, I've been. I've been high on the Carolina Panthers for a very long time. Obviously before the season started. I continuously said it over and over and over. For those in the chat that are watching, I'm not sure if you heard it in general. I was very high on them and I said, though they were one of the two teams to watch this year, and I said they would surprise everybody. You guys are playing extremely well. And after last week's game, what is it that you guys need to continue to build on to make sure everything continues to go in the right direction? Headed towards?
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, I say just really playing complimentary, complimenting football, all three phases. Offense, defense, specialties. I think that's one of the main things. And just like, as long as we do that, I think we'll be fine. Not hurting ourselves how we did early in games, having to dig out the hole early if it was penalties, turnovers and things like that. So I think if we do that and just continue to do that and be able to execute, keep executing at a high level, I think we'll be fine.
Devin White
Okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
How disappointed were you? You came in, you run for over a thousand yards, and you're like, man, I had a good season. Oh, okay. I'm young. I ain't got a whole lot of mileage on me. I know they gonna come. I know they gonna break your boy off. I'm gonna be able to stay here. I got. I'm settled here. I like it here. They know what they got with me. I know what I have with them. And then come free agency, and I don't know if they called you, I don't know if they lowballed you. Walk us through your thought process. After the season ends, you have your exit meeting with your running back coach, maybe the head coach, the general manager. Walk us through the steps up until you made the decision you're going to Carolina.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah. So they, they. They never made an offer at all in free agency? Yeah, they never made an offer at all. So just going through. When we got out my agent, we obviously thought we would get something here back from, but they just the kind of team, they like, go test the market. Let us know what you hear, and then come back and let us know and we'll see if we can. So it was that kind of situation. They told me to go out, they're gonna let me test the market. And so I didn't take liking of that because I thought maybe what I've been through during my five years and what I was able to do. Once I was given the opportunity to run the ball, what I was able to do, I thought maybe they would have an offer but you know, they didn't and it worked out for me in this way and I'm getting a show now. So happy where I'm at now with.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Them telling you to go test the market and they'll see that probably kind of left you feeling some type of way like, nah bro, if, if I, it's like, bro, hey, you tell your girl you go test the market. If you find somebody out there you like, if somebody like you out there, I might come back and take you up. But if not, you don't. Hey, you welcome to go. No, bro, you set me free. I'm good.
Rico Dowdle
Definitely don't work like that. But yeah, it definitely, definitely left. I wouldn't necessarily say I was just too disappointed because I know the nature of the business and how they operated. I mean I was a free agent the year before and they pretty much told me the same thing. But I ended up signing back there. So yeah, I just know the nature of the business. So I couldn't take harp on it too much. Just know I had to look for the next best opportunity for me and where I can go make an impact.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You look at the situation. Dave Canales, your head coach, he was very non committal. Chuba Hubbard is coming back. You rushed for 389 yards in the previous, in the past two ball games, 473 yards of total offense. And he was like, they asked him Sunday after the game, he was like, hey, Rico's playing extremely well. We're definitely going to have a package. But he didn't say who's going to start when, when that first offense run out there on the field. Is a Rico running out there?
Rico Dowdle
No, we'll see Sunday when the game comes. Coach, he ain't really put too much into it, but he just saying we'll see when the game come. We're going to go through this week and then when the game comes Sunday, we'll see.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
And you know what? And honestly, honestly, that's not a bad thing when you think about it. Obviously I know you want to, you want to be the starter, you want to be the one to get the bulk of the carries. But when you have a two headed monster like you and Hubbard back there like that, it opens up everything else, man, because of what you did last week, you don't, you don't, you, you don't understand. I mean as a player I think you might get it but as a, as a fan of the game and watching and understanding that and played it, but what you just did last week, it makes it that much easier for, for whoever's calling the plays, whether it's Dave or whether it's officer coordinator. You made Bryce Young job easier. You made every receiver tmac and legged at 100. You made all their jobs either. Because now when you play, oh well, goddamn already in the game. Safety man, come on down in that box, please. Every time, every time, every, every time you end the game, the defense is checking to something different because you are the one threat offensive that you got to worry about.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, for sure. I definitely, I definitely following what you're saying there. That's one thing that's gonna, I think it's gonna help expand the whole offense play action. They gotta respect the run. I think it's gonna open up the pass for sure.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Oh yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So what, what if you co. What if coach Canales, the head coach, what is your running back. Coach told you, okay, you know Hubbard is going down. This is your opportunity because you know you splitting carries and you know he get hot and you might not get the amount of carries because running, I mean most skill position is all about rhythm. And it's hard to get a rhythm. You get one carry, you get a carry the first drive and then you might not get another carry to the third drive and then you might have five carries in the first half and only get two. So now would you be in the big time running back, the full time running back now you're able to get into a rhythm. What is coach told you say, okay, just make, just make sure you stay, keep your head in the game. Make sure you stay ready. Is that some of the things that your coach, your position coach have relayed?
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
Rico Dowdle
So yeah, going into it, I only talked to my running back coach about it and he like, okay, just kill your ops. You know, when the opportunity, the opportunity is presented itself to go out there and show what I can do, just make sure I made the most of it. And I think I was able to do that.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Absolutely.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
One year. Deal. So would you like to remain with Carolina long term or you like. Look, I'm gonna take it one year at a time. I'm gonna go out here and play my absolute best this year and. And then I'm gonna let the chips fall where they may. Ain't nothing promised. The only thing I can promise you, I'm gonna give you everything I got. Every down.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So exactly. That's all I want to say on that, just go out there, take it this year and then see how it goes. It's gotta be productive. I know it's a production based business, so as long as I'm productive, the rest will take care of itself.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Do you look back, do you are like, yeah, that's good. Y' all should have kept me. When you look at your former team and you see them struggling and, and you like, yeah, that's what you get. Do you. I mean, because I understand that you have friends over there. I mean, you still use there for five years. So you do, you have built relationships. But it's not like I want y' all to have success.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, no, I don't really look at it like that. Like you said, a lot of those guys are my friends. I ain't really rooting for. Rooting for that downfall. And the dude they got over there, Javante, he's been having a pretty good season too.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So, yeah, pretty good season too.
Rico Dowdle
But yeah, I'm not really, I wouldn't really be rooting on that down. I want him to win and things like that. All my friends there, but I just wanted to beat him when we played him.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Help me out with this. You had an injury your career in South Carolina, you were, you, you had a lot of injuries. How are you able to stay healthy? Because normally if you limp into the NFL, you're going to limp out of it. You had injuries in college, but for some reason you've been able to, you've been able to stay healthy in the league.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, I think that was one of my biggest things coming out of college. Injuries, just not being able to stay healthy. But thankfully I never had no injury where it was I think longer than like 10 weeks recovery. That was my longest injury. But yeah, in college just had a bunch of nicks and that's. I broke my fibula and tore my hamstring, had four knee surgeries. Sports.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
God damn.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You mean to tell me too much. You ain't had nothing to keep you out of 10 weeks. I broke a fibula.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, the longest one was 10. I broke my fibula like week five my sophomore year of college. Played in the bowl game, but yeah, that was like my worst win, I think in college. But I'm like eight surgeries deep though, but just staying healthy.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Eight?
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, eight surgeries deep.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Did you think like, damn, I got buzzard. Look, I can't catch a breath.
Rico Dowdle
So that's exactly what I was thinking, like, why, why keep happening? I don't know what I'M doing wrong. I don't know why I keep happening. But yeah, since just getting in the NFL, I think those first couple years, just setting out, taking advantage of my body and figuring my body out, really, that's what allowed for me to stay healthy. Not just figuring out what worked best for me.
Devin White
Dropped my weight.
Rico Dowdle
I played at like 225 in college. I played like 210, 215 now. So just figuring out what worked best for me.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Hey, you know that college training table.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, does it ever be in the back of your mind when you're playing, like, trying to be cautious and a little hesitant based on, you know, what you want to do or you just. You free will. Don't even care about the past injuries, and you just go out there and just.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, I go out there and play. I'm trying to bring the punishment. I don't really think about that at all.
Devin White
I don't think about it at all.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Look, you went to the game. Let me ask you a question. Who's your top five? Your top five running backs at usc? All time game calls top five all time.
Rico Dowdle
Now you're gonna have to put Marcus Lattimore up there for sure. Okay, Marcus, you got Deuce Staley.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Okay.
Rico Dowdle
Who else?
Devin White
I don't really know.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Well, George Rogers gotta be first.
Rico Dowdle
Yeah, I don't know how I left George. Yeah, George Rogers. And then you got 22. What was number 22? I don't remember. I don't remember our long name.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Don't. Harold Green. That was before your time. George graduated. George graduated at 80. Graduated, left at 80, so.
Rico Dowdle
Oh, yeah, way before me. I'm born in 98.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Hey, man. Rico, man, continued success, man. Congratulations on a great. A great start to a new year. A new year, a new team. You've been playing unbelievable. Keep up the great work. Stay prayed up. Stay positive.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Good things that happen down the road. And when you make the Pro bowl this year as one of those NFC running backs, come back and tell us how you did.
Rico Dowdle
I will appreciate it.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, hey, hey, hey. Do me a small favor. Y' all got practice tomorrow, right? Man, Tell the receivers, man. All together at the same time. Tell them boys I'm betting the house on them this weekend.
Rico Dowdle
I'm gonna make sure I relate.
Devin White
Yeah.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Letting them boys know. Tell them boys I said keep pounding.
Rico Dowdle
I'm gonna let them know for sure.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
All right, love.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Appreciate that, Rico. Appreciate you stopping by.
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Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Now it's time to welcome a Former Pro Bo defensive rookie of the year. I think he won that award. And he is a Super Bowl. Won the Super Bowl. Devin White, Las Vegas Raiders. D, what's going on, man?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Dad, you can't. You can't hear us?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
He. He muted right now.
Devin White
What's good? What's good? Can you hear me?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah, that's what's up. Hey. Hey, man, thanks for coming on with us.
Devin White
Oh, for sure, man. Pleasure, man. Appreciate you.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Devin White
What's up, man?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
What's up, baby?
Devin White
What's good, man? Just cooling, man. Just cooling.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, let me tell you something. I don't mean to be. I don't need. I don't mean to be thinking ahead, but I would just talk with Unk, right? And there's a certain player. I love what y' all have on offense, right? But I mean, no disrespect to them boys, but we would just talk about next year, right? What you think about George Pickens over there in Las Vegas? Tell me that doesn't fit. And you see. Listen, stay with me. Stay with me real quick. You see how Mac Crosby being a Raider? It just fits his demeanor, who he is, what he represents, what you think about. What you think about George Pickens over there?
Devin White
He definitely got that charisma, you know, that swag.
Rico Dowdle
I told you, huh?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I know what I'm talking about, man. Okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
All right.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
We can get back. We can get back to business. That's it.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah. You got to help me understand this. With all the early success that you had at Tampa, Pro Bowls, All Pros, Rookie of the Year, win the Super Bowl, I thought you were a lifer because you fit the Derrick Brooks, you fit the Ronde Barber, you fit the John lynch, you fit the Warren Sapps, a physical football player Tampa, known for defense. They're physical. Leroy Silver, rest his soul, physical defensive player. Why? And then. And then I know you heard. If you didn't hear it, somebody sent you. What Jason Light said, had I known what I know now, probably wouldn't even. I wouldn't have taken it. What went wrong? How?
Devin White
Why?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
And how weren't you able to finish your career in Tampa?
Devin White
I think, personally, I think they just weren't ready to, you know, give up that bad, you know, Obviously. Obviously knew it was time. After my fourth year, you know, everybody knew the numbers I put up, the accolades I had. And I wasn't trying to be selfish, but I was just. I wanted what was due, you know, I felt like I did everything right there, from on the field to off the field, in the community, being a team captain every year. And when I asked to get me, you know, I got looked at crazy, you know, and I just, and I don't know why, you know, nowadays, players getting paid after three years, they go in the first round. And I had to go fight it out on the fifth year option for what when I already had, you know, even with Levante David Dog on the team, I led the team. I led the team in tackles. You know, I got turnovers and you know, made big plays. And then obviously, like you said, for him to come out and say what he said, man, we hosted a Super bowl trophy together, so none of that matter, you know what he know he'll do it again because I helped him, you know, obviously, you know, on that run that we made, you know, I feel like I was a key part of that, you know. No, you were. If you look at the numbers and the stats, like, oh, I missed the playoff game and had the most tackles in the postseason out of any player. And I missed one game. I missed the Washington game. Go look it up. And on the next three games, I was double digit tackles every game. And you know, getting it in. For real.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah. And you know, you know what to UNC&&, and LD. This is one of the things I don't like about it, don't like about the business side of things. Even, even with the numbers, even when you do things right, not only on and off the field. When it come, when it's time to get paid, when it's time to get paid, they always look at you funny. They look at everybody funny. Even those that have the numbers, even those that have the stats. And it's the same conversation with the better players on each team all the time. Every year is the same thing. You always have to fight tooth and for your value. You always got to fight tooth and nail for what you worth. Despite putting up the numbers. They gonna find something, they're gonna put something in your contract. They're gonna, they gonna, they go, they're gonna talk to your agent crazy. And just, just, it just, I, I don't know. I, I, I hate that side of the business. But listen, I'm glad you got what you deserve and you doing your thing.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
How disappointed were you? Because like you said, you hoisted a lo in your building together. You, you, the ups and the downs and you, you know, you had some setbacks and you like, you accomplished all these things. And I'm sure because when we had you on my own show, you talked about, hey, I'm Gonna be a lifer, you know, like Sam. And I see Brooks, then when they come around and I see their names up in the stadium, that's what I want for. That's what I want for D. White.
Devin White
Yeah, I think I was very disappointed. Just, you know, like I said, I'm always piggyback off Levante, you know, he do everything right. That's my big brother, like, to this day.
Ryan Seacrest
And.
Devin White
And I thought I was coming in to, like, take over the role and be the next great one after him. Obviously, he still ain't slowing down. He's still going in, bro. We both made all pro team together. We was always in the top 100 together and led the team and tackles together. And I just thought I was going to just be his successor. But, you know, at the end of the day, I was very disappointed, man, because that's somewhere I want to be. But that also made my hurt hurt a lot worse because I had already started counting my eggs that didn't hatch yet in Tampa. And I was. And I was dialed in. Like, I got. I still got a place there, and I was about to buy another spot across from my place to just add on and just make this my forever home.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
That's gonna be my home.
Devin White
Yeah. And when that don't happen like that, man, that hurt. That hurt a lot. But, I mean, it is what it is.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
When you found out Tom Brady. Because there all of a sudden, it started to be speculation Tom Brady might be signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You like, hold on. Tom Brady, that was in New England, Tom Brady. You talk about the guy that's won six Super Bowls and been tonight, that's been to all these Super Bowls and got all these accolades. He might be coming to Tampa for. Hold up, man. Stop play, y'. All, for real. Tom Brady might be coming to Tampa because if you look at it, you guys had an outstanding season. James turned the ball. James had threw for 5,000 yards. But it's hard for a defense to overcome 30 plus turnovers from one player. And I'm sure you thought in the back of your mind, man, if man, Tom Brady, he don't turn the ball over with this defense, boy, it's going to be tough for somebody to beat us.
Devin White
Yeah, I mean, we knew getting him that we could be really good. You know, just him just being in complete control of the offense. You know, the turnovers did help. You know, James did a lot of great things. Salute to him, you know, but we was the number one run defense of team in the NFL. My Rookie year, You know, we was kind of hit or miss in the past. You know, we was kind of in the middle of the bunch, so we just knew we were just missing a complete offense to be able to go do it. And then obviously, you know, him coming there brought a lot of expectation that people was willing to rise to the occasion. You know, that's.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
That's another thing.
Devin White
When you get a person like him in the building, your play level just go up times 20 got, you know what I'm saying? Because you want to meet his standard. You know, he got a certain standard about himself, you know, being on the team, being in the building, and, you know, you just kind of want to be all in. Then, obviously, we had got some key guys. You know, we got his tight end, you know, we had got a great receiver out of Florida, you know, that end up helping. You know, we had a couple of D linemen come in to really kind of put our defense, solidify our defense, and we was rocking out. You know, we had a lot of young guys on defense, too, but, you know, that's part of it. You know, people just getting thrown in the fire and accepting the role and going to go get it.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
What were your practices like? Were they challenging? Because were you talking smack to him and he talking smack to y', all, you guys? Because it seemed like, you know, you got Tom Brady, you have those, you got God, when you got Mike Evans, ab, You got Gronk, you know, hey, you don't want to get blitzed. Hey, y' all ain't gonna do that. What y' all been doing to them, y' all ain't gonna do that to us. And they're like, well, what y' all did to that team, y' all not gonna do that to us. And so y' all just going back and forth and so you raising each other's level.
Devin White
I think.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I think the.
Devin White
The best part about it was it was two things. I say the secondary wanted to get a pick off Brady. Like, we knew you couldn't pick him in the game, so you want to try to get it in in practice. And then I think for just the overall defense, we had to be able to disguise, like, harder than ever because he has seen so many looks in his life. So that what made our defense even better. We was able to disguise and play different coverages from different, you know, different looks. And I think that helped us, like, you know, on the back end of the season, because we just had got so much better. We was grooming ourselves to perfection with Our disguises, because you got to trick him some way because he doesn't. And I think. And I think that helped, like even I remember in the, in the playoff, in the. To go to the championship, we was playing Aaron Rodgers, we was playing trap coverage where the linebackers running out on cover and holding the number two receivers. I'm running with Devonte on out routes and stuff. And we sending, you know, boundary pressures and, you know, you can't pick it up because you don't know who dropping. You don't know who going, right. And that's one thing I credit to Todd Bowles is he never stay the same week in and week out. He always add to that playbook.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Adding to that playbook, you're in. You go to Philly, Philly don't work out. I was like, man, you know, he'd be good in Philly. I mean, why?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Why?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Okay, well, tell us why now.
Devin White
I don't know though, truthfully, you know, I feel like I. I feel like I went there with a fresh mind. You know, I was around a bunch of guys that I, you know, that was in my high school class that I already knew. And I went there to, you know, just go, you know, just go get it back on track. You know, coming off that foot injury. My fifth year went to all the OTAs. That was new for me. You know, being in Tampa with an older team, we didn't really do many OTAs. You know, my second year was covet. Third year, fourth year, we had, you know, Tom Brady, he didn't. He went, you know, he did his own thing. So we did our own thing on defense. So I was pretty much locked in. You know, I started every game. I mean, started every practice of Camp otas. I was there. And, you know, after the second game, I mean, second preseason game, you know, they called me up. You know, Coach Vic, you know, he said, we're gonna go nicobi. Hey, hey, I. Hey, I do what y' all gotta do, you know, I said, I asked him what. What did I do to, you know, keep this job that I didn't had all spring? He said, it's just the decision we going with. And I respected it. You know, hats off to Zach and the Kobe. Still my guys. I was still in there for four weeks, you know, just giving them all the, you know, the gym that I had, you know, they was playing New Orleans. I was familiar with them and I was just being a pro about the situation. That's why you never heard nothing bad come out of that situation. It Just, it just wasn't the fit. You know, I wasn't who they wanted and respectfully, you know, we moved on and it is what it is. You know, I don't dwell on it. You know, I, I still got incentives off that super bowl run, so God is good. You know, I was on the team for a week, you know.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Right.
Devin White
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Hey, it's been a rough start for you and for the team in Vegas. You got Jamal Adams, who moved from safety. He was a safety, now he's a linebacker. Defensively you got Max Crosby. Everybody knows what Max brings to the table. So. So tell me, what's the transition been like for you from Tampa to Philly, now you're here in Raiders. You know, the Raiders, you know, Al, I know they got a lot of slogans. His famous thing is the quarterback must go down and he must go down hard.
Devin White
Yeah, I think the, the biggest transition is just, you know, it's just a different style of play than what I'm used to. You know, I always been assimilated, pressure type of guy from Dave Arundel in college to bowls in the NFL and just coming to this new scheme and just kind of, you know, being a little more zoning, you know, it's been different from me and you know, I started off playing Mike, you know, Mike and Will. I was rotating the first couple weeks because we, we was trying to get different guys on the field. You know, we had Jermaine Pratt, E, Rob, Jamal and myself. So I was the guy that was going from Mike, Mike and Sub and I was playing Will and Bass and then I was a dime linebacker, so. So right stuff end up didn't working out with my guy Pratt, you know, he went to the coach with his old defensive coordinator from Cincy and now I'm back at Will and that's why I roam. And my first game at straight Will this past week, Rush got it, I was able to go get it, you know, so that's a good thing. You know, stuff happened how it happened, but you know, you just always find a good in it. But at the end of the day, man, I think we can hit a stride. You know, we're starting to find out our identity, you know, who we are. Because you got coach Pete and you got coach pg. They clashing together. Two good defensive minded guys, you know, trying to find their identity. And I think that's what's going on. So I'm excited.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
The thing that I was always impressed with you, Dev, is that your ability to close the suddenness. I mean, when you like when they. When they bring you on pressure you. I mean, you get. You arrive in a hurry and you arriving with bad intentions. I mean, when you. When you get to that point, bad things normally happen for the opposing player. So what is your mindset when it's like you said, they sent you on a blessing, you like, I'm a pressure. I'm a pressure Mike. I'm a pressure Will. I'm a pressure Mike backer.
Devin White
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Because Todd blitzed you a lot because he knows he gonna get you on the line on a running back over.
Devin White
I'm gonna win. I'm gonna win. No, I think that's the thing, you know, just growing up, one from a small town, I never played for a coach who played the game until I got to the Buccaneers with all my coaches there. They all played the game that was the first time. So I was able to just add more tools to my bag. And I think that was one of the things they was like, bro, you got speed and you just got an ability, a knack for the ball, you know how to go get it. And, man, I took pride on it. I was like, well, look, I'm going to focus on this because turnovers win games, you know, so obviously with him blitzing me, it's like, hey, go get the ball. Don't just go get a sack, go get the ball. And then obviously, when I'm in coverage, you know, that's. That's the main thing, too. But, you know, just far as just being a guy who can go get sacks, you know, I. I think I've done that well since my, you know, since I entered the league into the NFL. I think I got the most off ball sacks as a linebacker with like 24, 25, so. And that's missing a year ball last year. So, man, look, hey, I just. Hey, I can go get it, and I take pride in it. You know, when I went to go sack Ken Ward, I was thinking ball the whole time. Like, you know, you. You get a sack, but a sack. Fumble. Better way.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Exactly. You're not. It's just not good enough to get the quarterback down. Let me see if I can get this ball while I'm at it.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, what is it? What has it been like, the difference, obviously, living in Tampa, you know, for a while, as opposed to being in Vegas. You like Vegas better?
Devin White
Oh, no, I ain't gonna say I like Vegas. The dryness. But I think Tampa, you know, I'm a country boy, so, you know, just being in Tampa, it was a city Feel, but it, but it wasn't too big, you know, the light wasn't too big. It was still felt homey to me. And obviously being there five, six years, I can drive around Tampa with no gps. You know, just being there so long.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Devin White
So I think, I think that that still haven't settled in, you know, and, and just being out here, I'm still new, still learning, but I mean, it's nice out here. The biggest thing from both cities, no state income tax. That's a blessing right there. Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah. See that your month of your living expenses is saved in the taxes that you would have paid had you been somewhere else. Right.
Devin White
Trying to tell you.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So now to get your extra horse. Cuz we know you love horses.
Devin White
I love horses, but you can't bring them out here. But the weather out here, it's driving too hot.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
It's too hot. It's too hot for dry. Yeah, you got, if I'm not mistaken, I think you got American saddle horses.
Devin White
American standard bread.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Standard bread.
Devin White
Okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Standard bread. So you got working horses.
Devin White
Yeah, obviously you can race them on the track. You could do a lot of pleasure riding with them. I do both. And I tapped into this Amish world. I'm with the Amish community. They do a lot of buggy horses with these standard bread. So they not just one dimensional. Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You gotta know people hold on, buggy, what the hell you.
Devin White
Hey, wherever it's good at. That's what I'm trying to be. Just know that the homeless people, they don't go buy Richard Millers and phones and they spend, they spend their green on horses. So I'm trying to be a part of that culture too.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
But they eat, man. Horses eat you out of house at home.
Devin White
Yeah, yeah, check them out. Sweet feed. Now, but the, but the Amish community, you know, they take pride on horses. Horses are their cars. So yes. You know, instead of them going to buy their wife a new Porsche, they go buy them a new nice horse to drive to church and to the stores and you know, whatever function they have and to their family houses. So I done got in real big with a bunch of Amish communities and I'm making my mark over there. So that's.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Where's the Amish community at? They got an Amish community in Louisiana or town?
Devin White
No, no, no, I'm in Illinois. Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio. Yeah. States like that, they, they up there, yeah.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Oh, man, I ain't know you ride horses, boy.
Devin White
Oh, yeah, I'm like that. I'm like that. I rode a Horse across Raymond James after we won the Super Bowl.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'd be right. I'd be riding too, man.
Devin White
No, no, you going to Mexico and ride when you just. You Cadillac and I'm doing it.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
No, no, no, no. I ride for real.
Devin White
Okay. We're gonna tap in for real. We going. We going 30 mile per hour, not even moving in the seat. That's the type of ride we doing.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
That ain't but. Well, you might want to Google me, man. I ride horses. I ride PBR bulls. I ride for real.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah, he do a little something. He do looks up there, there, but you got to tell the backdrop of the story of the horses and how you got in the store horses, because you. You were dealing with something. You went through something in your life, and horses helped you, helped you deal with that.
Devin White
Yeah, for sure. Just being in a small town where I come from, you know, growing up, man, it ain't really much to do around there. A lot of people. That's what a lot of people do, you know. But growing up, I ended up losing my brother at a young age. I want to say I was like 8 or 9 years old. And that's just what I use to cope with it. You know, you could be at the barn, you know, you take a lot off your mind going to ride and stuff, man. So I think that horses has always been a good coping factor for me. And then now, you know, just as I got older, you know, I enjoy, you know, my son enjoy. And man, we kind of make a hobby out of it. You know, we go to events around the world, you know, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, I guess on the south, the south end of the world. And we go right, and we have fun, man. We do it for pleasure. But at the end of the day, man, we out there enjoying ourselves. So horses have been a big part of my life and probably going to continue to do it. And more guys in the league starting to. Starting to get to it. My guy, Ed Oliver do it.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Devin White
Xavier Leggett, he own it. Zamir White, that played with the Raiders, he own it. And you know, Xavier Howard, he just retired to be with his kids, but also he. He done got into these horses too. He down there in Miami, but he from Houston, but he got. He got all his horses in Miami and I sold him some horses. So that just let you know, like, hey, it's getting real around.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, hey, wait, what. Hey, what's the number on them horses? What we talking about?
Devin White
Just depend, man. We get you Something depends about 20 grand, you know.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Okay, okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah, but. But you go ahead and tell them the other part about how much the mofos eat.
Devin White
Yeah. Now, they eat a lot, though, then in Miami, you know, y' all ain't got the best resources for hay and feed, right? Y' all gotta get it shipped in, you know, like we do in the South. We grow it. You know what I'm saying? So it'll be a little more expensive, but it's worth it, though, you know, when you. When you got something that bring you peace, money don't matter.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah, you write about that.
Devin White
My.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
My daughter, man, I don't. I don't know where it came from, obviously. You was. You. You in the city, the fact that she loves horses so much.
Devin White
Hey, but we got to show you about these standard breads, though, bro. It's way smoother. You know, you can ride at a higher speed, right? You can bring it down and slow. I'm gonna send you some videos. You're gonna be very. Oh, you're gonna be very pleased with the work. You know, a lot of people don't know about standard breads because they said they. They do a lot. You can do jumping with them, but you also can teach them what we do as single foot, you know, speed, rack, and single foot. I'm gonna teach you about that. Yeah, yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Okay.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah, yeah.
Devin White
I'm gonna put you on. You know, I might See what I'm saying.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You. You gotta. So how many horses do you own now?
Devin White
About 60.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Some 60.
Devin White
But I'm in the business, though. I'm in the business. I want to be.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Okay, okay. Oh, so you breathe, sell and all that other stuff? Oh, yeah, I'm just collecting them.
Devin White
I'm doing it for real. Real. I got a whole. Get Live Stable llc. We doing it for real.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So you have. Do you have any pulling horses, shives, anything like that?
Devin White
Nah, we just got straight. Like I said, the buggy horses with the armies world. I got the pleasure horses that I do. And then obviously, we got the. The race horses on the track that's pulling the bucket. But they. They racing. They racing on.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Oh, you got them all like. Like Yoki jokers.
Devin White
He got the same horse, Standard bread. Yeah, yeah. You go, hey, man.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, you know what? That give me a good idea since you got horses Christmas coming up. My daughter loves horses. So you know what I'm gonna do?
Devin White
We're gonna put her in the game. We're gonna talk on the back line. We call it the back line. You know, we're gonna put Out a business on Front Street.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Holl at your boy.
Devin White
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Are you. Are you gonna get the fairbreds? Maybe get to the Derby or something, man?
Devin White
Well, Max won one. I told Max, let me get this next contract. We can. We can do something.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I mean, to get some good bloodline. They gonna. You know, hey, you gotta come out. You gotta come out. A million or two.
Devin White
Oh, yeah. Hey, man, he making 35 a year. He got it. I'm gonna just. I'm gonna just make. I'm gonna oversee everything. You know, I'm a big business partner. Make sure he don't get screwed nowhere. We'll be at the derby in about two or three years. Check us out.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Have you ever been to the Derby?
Devin White
Nah, I never been. I just told him, man, if I go, I want to host it one year. They let Von Miller host it, and he do chickens. He don't do horses. So I felt disrespected because I'm a real horse.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
That should have been your call.
Devin White
Yeah, that should have been me. So whenever they let me host it, I'll be there because I can talk about them. You know, I can give you a live update on what they doing. I actually did it when I first came out at the New Orleans track, and I think I did a good job, and I put the suit on and everything, so I'm ready to take that next step. So if y' all see this, invite me to the Derby, you know, and I got y'. All. It's gonna be a great experience because I actually know horses, and I'm. And I'm an athlete myself.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So let's talk about your college. Lsu. You good? You. You think you guys got a chance to make the College Football Playoff? Can y' all win the sec?
Devin White
Yeah, I think we do, man. We gotta. We got a real good defense, man. We get our quarterback healthy. You know, obviously, he. He was one of the best quarterbacks going into this thing, but kind of balanced some injuries, but I think he gonna shake back and, you know, he gonna get us back on track, but as long as our defense keep getting turnovers and. And holding people out, then we're gonna be pretty good, man.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Well, Devin, man, congratulations on your journey, man. Look, if things don't always look, God, don't make no mistakes at all. He put you. You went through what you went through. You're stronger for it. I'm happy for you. Continue success, stay healthy.
Devin White
Yeah, for sure.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You know, when you stay healthy and keep doing what you're doing, you know, what's on the other side, man?
Devin White
I'm trying to get one of them. Them gold things, man. That's all that's important to me, man. Hey, that's all that's important to me, that we play this game for, man. All the other stuff gonna come. We already been blessed tremendously, you know what I'm saying? Just gonna keep having fun and making sure we're doing things the right way, man. So I appreciate y' all for having me, man.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah. You don't have any other. Other animal? You don't have anything else? Chicken, Pigs? Just. Just.
Devin White
No, man, No. I just do horses, man. I got dogs, but, man, they just.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
What kind of dogs you got?
Devin White
I got blue heelers. I got blue hills. Oh, okay. Australian cattle dog. I know what it is.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I know what he really is, so.
Devin White
And I just got them for company, bro. I don't even work them. I just got them just to have company on the form. Because I got, like, 80 acres back in Louisiana, and this off season, I plan on buying, like, a hundred, another 100. That's not too far. And, man, that's what I do, man. I like being where it's peacefully. And I still got my land in Florida, too. I go out there and train, and I got a. Born out there in Odessa, on the backside of Tampa, and I go out there and train, take horses, and enjoy myself out there in the summertime as well. So, even though, you know, they got rid of me in Tampa, I still got my.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You still got roots there. You still got.
Devin White
I got my roots there.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
All right, man. Congratulations on all your success. Stay healthy, man, and come back and talk to us again.
Devin White
Dale, I appreciate you, man.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Appreciate you. Devin White, linebacker for the Las Vegas Raiders. I misspoke earlier. What's the dude name? Nick Bosa. Was defensive rookie of the Year the year they came out okay. But he had. He was off to an unbelievable start, Ocho. He was. He was. He's still. And he's. He's. He's starting to look back, and as I'm watching the Raiders, he's starting to look again like the Devin White that you remember when he was. When he first got to Tampa. Sudden, impactful, you know, dropping into coverage and blitzing the linebacker, but getting back to that Devin White. And I'm glad to see. I'm glad to see him find a home bid. I think Grantham is the D.C. and Pete Carroll, both defensive guys, understand how to use linebackers and coverage in disguise things. So they have. Congrats.
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Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Ocho George Pickens, who's set to become an unrestricted free agent after the season, praised the Cowboys, but noted he also wants to showcase my talents. Pickens was asked about staying in Dallas long term and said, I wouldn't mind it. The guys in the locker room are super cool. The energy is great, but like I've said, I've all. I always want to showcase my talent. I most definitely. Pickens, who turns 25 next March, figures to be one of the most sought after free receivers in free agency should he hit the market on Tuesday. Jerry Jones did not want to get into whether the team would like to open talks on a new contract with Pickens. Ojo. Yeah, Pickens gonna want somewhere between 32 and 36 million dollars.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Is he staying in Dallas or George, is Jerry gonna hand him walking papers? Let him walk.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I don't know if, if I was him, I wouldn't even play. I wouldn't even want to be there. Honestly. I. I'm. I'm just saying that, just me personally, I want to maximize my potential. I want to maximize my earnings and go somewhere else where I can. I can contribute. He's about, you want to show your talent. We know well, he got it.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I mean, he gonna need to be the number one. He want to go somewhere and be number one. He want to be number one then.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I mean, that's what he is. They're in a great situation. Obviously, it was unfortunate that CD Lamb got hurt where Dak Prescott had two number one receivers. But he needs to go somewhere else to maximize as much as he can get. Be that number one. Continue to build his career in being a number one player and doing Cleveland. That. That he knows he can do. Where you said Cleveland.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Cleveland. They need a number one receiver. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think of places. Oh, the Raiders. Oh, I like the Raiders.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hey, wait a minute. Do you understand how. You understand how that marriage right there would be perfect? George Pickens, NFL young boy at the Raiders.
Devin White
No, I'm. That.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
That is a great match. That's a great.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah, for sure.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
It makes sense. It fits. It. It fits him. His Persona, his image. You know, being that. Hey, that is perfect. P. Carroll. Hey, Pete, I'm not tampering I'm just telling you ahead of time. Geno Smith.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You know where he'd be good at too, Ocho.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Where?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
The Giants.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Oh, until. Until Jackson.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Dark.
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Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
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Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Not there.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
All right, hold up.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Let me see. Atlanta got Drake, London, Drake, London, Drake, London. Tampa got Mbuka. And they got Godwin.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
They got Mike, New Orleans.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
They got Olave, Shaheed.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
But I think, me, Me personally, I think George Pickens is better than both of those guys.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Different. Different. Different type of player. Different type of receiver.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I'm trying to.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I like the Raiders.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I love the Raiders.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I like the Raiders idea. Honestly.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
All things being equal.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
The question is, do they like Zay Flowers or do you like George Pickens?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Who.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Cause both of them gonna be up.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Huh?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Huh?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Pick going a. Pick going to the Raiders. I'm telling you, I'm putting that in the universe right now, cuz. I mean, that, that CD Lamb team over there in Dallas on his helmet.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
The Colts need a receiver.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Damn. Okay, we got.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You like the Colts with, with Indiana Jones.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah, I, I, I like it. I like it. But they, they kind of set.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I mean, Tennessee, they not set. What?
Ryan Seacrest
What?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Oh, yeah, dude. I mean, they got Pitman, they played.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
They paid Pitman, Pittman Downs. They good. They good. They got a nice little squad. Nice.
Ryan Seacrest
And they.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
You know what? You know what I like about the Colts receivers? Everybody has a different strength. Everybody has a different strength. Everybody does something that the other doesn't. So I like what they have right now. I'm telling you. Picking to the Raiders.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You're right for me. Right? You know what, Ocho? The Patriots.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
No, man. No, no, no, no, no. Hell nah. No.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You don't like it with Drake, mate.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
No, no, I, I like, I like, I like Drake may. But they, they. They got. They little. They core like Pickens and Patriots. That. No, don't put him in that environment. Absolutely not. No.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You don't like that structure. It's too structured.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah, I know. Yeah. Don't. Don't put the man.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You think you sleep, Ocho.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
What?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Don't put him in that environment. Ah, man, yeah.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Hell nah. Hell no.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I mean, what. So what. What do you think as far as the market, open market, you think about. I mean, what type of numbers are we looking at? Somewhere 32, 32, 33, 35, 36.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Based on what I'm seeing right now from him and what he's done in the past and what he's probably going to finish with this year, he probably Gonna get somewhere between 34, 36 on the Open market. Oh, I'm telling you, it's gonna be P. Carroll. It's gonna be.
Devin White
I'm.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I'm not his agent, but I'm gonna be responsible for him getting over there. Over there with Gino. So Gino got somebody to get that thing to. You know what?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Gino keep turning the ball over. Gino ain't gonna be there throwing it to it. He better stop turning the ball up. He got 10 interceptions in six games.
Devin White
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
See, you know. You know what would probably relieve some of those interceptions?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Him not hitting other guys in the chest or.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Or having a target like George picking the throw, too. Brock Bauer still hurt. Brock Bauer still hurt, huh?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
He is.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Damn.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah. Look, he's engaged.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
He knows the Cowboys are going to throw the football. He know he has a quarterback that can get him the football. And Dak, he's getting more opportunities because CD is. That is. CD is down.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Now, the question is, when CD comes back, you already know. Still get 10, 11 targets a game. No, normally the 10, 11, 12 targets go to CD. Yeah. So let's just say for the sake of argument, ocho, we take five of those, four of those targets away. And so instead of getting 10, 11, 12, he gets 6, 7, 8. Can he still give us. I mean, there'll be games that he still can give you a hundred, but if he can give us, you know, 70, a quick 70, quick 80, a tub here or there, he gonna get paid. Oh, yo, the guy is gonna be. He's gonna be 25.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
The start of the 20, 26 season. He ain't even. He ain't even.
Jacob Goldstein
He.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Not even close to his prime.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
No, not yet.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
He ain't even got his prime. And me won't hit his prime for another two years.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah, he gonna. He gonna get it. Listen, I. And I. I told you. I told you. Didn't I tell you when I talked to Pick last year, Didn't I tell you it wouldn't be no more problems?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yep.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
You ain't had. And we ain't had a problem yet. I told you. And I stand on that. And he gonna get rewarded not only for. For. I hate using the word good behavior, but being a professional. But you'll get rewarded for your play on the field, not what you're doing off of it. You're going to get rewarded for your play on the field tremendously. And I know you're going to see this young bull stay locked in Keep the main thing. The main thing. And you're going to get what you deserve.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I got a place where he can go. Well, Green Bay. Josh Jacobs said they need a number one.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I like. Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Josh Jacobs said they need another.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Let me tell you something, though. Let me tell you something. I look at the Green Bay offense the same way I look at, look at the Indianapolis Colts, where they all are by committee in each game. You never know whose day is going to be.
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Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
You never know who's there, who day is going to be.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah, you could run it.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
It might be. It might be Wicks. It might be goddamn Read come back. It might be, dog. You never know that. So I like what they have over there. I like that little young system they got. I want him to be that man over there in, oh, in Las Vegas, because it's just gonna be him. You ain't got to worry about nothing else. You know, every game you get 10, 11 targets going crazy. Pete Carroll, what we talking about? I like it.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I like. Look, I, I, I, I like. I always thought he was talented. I thought he was immensely talented. The catches that he's make, he's tremendous. Run after the catch is just, you know, sometimes you need a change of scenery.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah. That's all.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Sometimes you need a change of scenery. He had, he had worn out his welcome in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh was, you know, Ocho. It was. They were Pittsburgh. And George Pickens were sick. They were sick of him, and he was sick of them.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So when you get a situation like that, the best thing to do is to go ahead and part ways. They were able to get some. They were able to get something for him. He was able to get a place. They're going to throw him the football now. It worked out perfectly. I hate that cd. Got hurt in order for people to see just how good George Pickens is. Because I think the thing is that, you know, his behavior, his petulant behavior, you forget that he's an immensely talented receiver. CD going down. He got an opportunity to showcase that. I don't know if CDs back this week or when CDs coming back, but he's put enough on tape to make people understand, to let people know, oh, he. He for real now.
Devin White
I'm him.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You the real deal.
Jacob Goldstein
I'm him.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
We'll be talking about. Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Jerry Jones says he's open to making a trade before the November 4th trade deadline. We have thoughts all along that if we see a way to Improve this year with a trade at, with, at the, with a trade at the deadline, then we'll take advantage of it. If there's a trade that will help the defense, we're in position to make that trade. I want to remind everyone one of the great things about our trade we had with Green Bay is that our tackle makes about 22 million a year. He cost us 2, cost him $2 million or so. We're getting a 20 something million dollar player for 2 to 3 million right now. And he's playing about as well as anybody on the defense. Why do I bring that up? That alone has increased our flexibility of being able to look at potential trade. Right. Whereas you might have had to had cramps before. So we're in position to look at that trade and that means we're going to make one. That doesn't mean we're going to make one. But Jerry is saying, ocho, we have the assets, we have the cap space. If there's somebody out there that can help this defense, at the deadline, we go do it. I mean, that's wishful thinking.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
I told you.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Does that strike me as something Jerry would do? No, but the question is, Ocho, is there a Charles Haley out there?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
No, but listen, they have a problem stopping the run. And I told you who to go get. I told you to go get over there in Tennessee. He wet 98. He nice a very good run stopper. Oh, listen, I'm not sure who the mic back is, but you should have a feast. You should have a hell of a time if Jerry makes that move and go get brother Simmons.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Jerry, Jerry just, he just keep throwing shade. And we got a D tackle that's making two to three billion dollars a year, you know. Okay, Jerry, you got off Micah. You didn't have to pay the $200 million. It's moving along. But guess what?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Those picks that you got, you're gonna have to give them up if you want somebody at the trade deadline that can help your team. Yeah, because I know you, I know you don't think somebody just gonna hand you over one of their best defensive players for what they say, oh, you got three first rounders. No. You want this player where you had three, now you got one or you give up one of those. A first rounder and a second round or something. So. But the question is, is Simmons available? Because Simmons can stop the run and he can rush the passer.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Right.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So the question is who's available and what are you willing up to? What, what are you willing to give up to get him.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Right?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
That's what that's all about. Ojo. Yeah, you have the capital. You have the cap flexibility and you have the draft capital to go to satisfy.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
But, but think about this. Even if you do have the capital.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Who are you going to.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Who are you going to go get that's going to make a difference? That going to make a change that can put a dent in some of the issues that you have right now? I mean, who it would have to be if it would still have the big, big name, it would still have to be a name that going to cost you because anything else outside of that is just going to be another body. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. And just going to be another body. That's it. Taking up space. Not someone that can actually make a difference for you defensively and change the trajectory.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Look.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Oh, I'm messing up my words. Trajectory of your defense.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Look, if I'm Cleveland, if I'm Cleveland, Jerry, give me three first rounders on the second round pick. I give you Miles Garrett.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Well, then you put yourself right back in the same situation you would have been in if you had kept Mike and paid Micah. So you right back in the same.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Boat claiming, this is not what we needed. You said we got better.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Jerry said we got better. When we let Micah go.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
If I put my finger, if I put my finger to Jerry's back and says, who's better, Micah or Miles Garrett? Who you think Jerry's gonna say, Matt Miles Garrett. Okay.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Am I wrong? Am I right?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah, you're right. I believe he'll say Miles Garrett. I get what you're saying too. You say, well, okay, you gave up all that, what you acquired, so you got a very similar player. But I believe Jerry believes that Miles Gary is an upgrade of some stuff. I'm not saying head over heels. I'm not saying two, but I believe he believes he's an upgrade over Michael Parsons.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Well, then it would still be the same thing because also he said, I let Michael Parson go because when we did have him, we didn't win a Super Bowl. So are you saying Michael Parson is going to be the one to come.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Here and change Miles Gary?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Miles Gary is going to be the one to come here and change that.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Are you going to win a Super Bowl?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Are you going to get closer to.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Winning a Super Bowl? I'm trying to find difference makers. Okay, that could help. That can help the Cowboys.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
You have.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Who are the difference maker? Okay. Trey Hendrickson. Do you believe, do you believe Hendrickson's available? Is Jeffrey Simmons? I don't know. We'll find out.
Devin White
Hold on.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Today, the 15th. So we're about, we're about, about 19 days, we're about three weeks away, finding out what's going to be available. Ojo the Titans fired by Brian Callahan. Just six games into his second season as head coach, his team was 4 and 19. The Titans were 3 and 14 in Callahan's first season, finishing with the number one pick and selecting Cam Ward. With Callahan firing the past four quarterbacks drafted number one overall, six of the past eight seen their head coaches fired during their rookie season. Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer, Bryce Young, Frank Wright, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberflus, Cam Ward, Brian Callahan. Ocho.
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Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
What do you think?
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
It's not the coaches. It's not the coaches, it's the owners. Hey, Chat, stay with me real quick and understand this. The owners have to understand that when it comes to football, right? The owners are businessmen, huh? And the stuff that they do, the, the stuff that they're passionate and enthusiastic about outside of football, in the business world, the one way to fix it is you throw money at it. You throw money at it. And that return on investment, it happens right away when it comes to the game of football. This ain't, this ain't a microwavable plate. You don't, you don't draft the quarterback, have a new coach and put him out there on the field and, and think you all are going to have success right away. That's not the way it works. That's never been the way it works. Now sometimes you get a quarterback like you get a CJ Shroud, you get lucky, you get a Jaden Daniels and you get lucky, you get a franchise altering quarterback right away that changes the trajectory and speeds up the process of being a consistent team that can win. But listen, I listen. Brian Callahan getting fired, obviously, first year with Cam Ward. It's not the microwave. This ain't food. You can't just put in there and heat it up and all of a sudden you're going to have success. It just doesn't happen like that. It never has.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
They don't have patience, Ocho. They're not letting anything develop. You know, I have, I used to have a saying, I get my chickens by smashing the eggs, not by letting them hatch. There's a process in which an egg hatch into a chicklet. These, what these owners are doing, they're smashing eggs. They're not, they're not going to Let it hatch. They fired the general manager. They fired Brable, they fried Ran Carthon, and guess what now they fried Brian Callahan.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
And what. What are they doing?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
They don't know, do they?
Devin White
Do.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
My. My point exactly. So obviously they're not football people.
Devin White
They're not.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
They're businessmen. They need to have.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
She is Amy Adams.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I think. I think the last is pronounced Skunk.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Okay.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Strunk. Her father, Mr. Bud Adams.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Bud Adams, Yeah. Okay. I know who that is. I know who that is.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
He passed away and turned it over to her. I don't know how involved she was at the time. So you inherit this business, and if you haven't invested or spent a whole lot of time in it, you don't know a whole lot about it. You're trusting other people to run the business now. At least when Jerry passes away, hopefully that's not for another hundred years. His kids have been in the business from day one. So they're gonna understand how this business works.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So they. They have been a part of it since he purchased A team in 1989. They've been a part of it. I don't know how involved she was with it, so. And you're trusting other people. I don't know how involved they were with it, so. It's tough, Ojo. It's tough. And it's not like another business. Because, Ocho, if your business is not doing well, you just don't. You just don't sell it. You just don't scrap your a. Start buying the CEO, start finding the vp, the coo. You don't start finding a whole bunch of people. You give it time.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah, you have to. You don't have a choice. You have a.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Like.
Devin White
But.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
But those that are in positions of power, I don't think they understand how the game of football works. You're drafting number one for a reason.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yeah, you terrible.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
You drafted number one for a reason. That quarterback is going to have his ups and his downs.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yes, I mean, that's just.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
That's the nature of the business.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Oh, Joe. But they say. But these young quarterbacks going to dysfunctional franchises. If they was functional, he wouldn't be there. What the hell? There's a reason why you got an opportunity to pick first.
Devin White
Right.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You're bad. How would that be fair? That Kansas City win the championship and then they get the first pick in the draft? The Eagles win the champ, win the Super Bowl. They get the first pick of the draft. We talked about this the other day. Is that the Lakers won the championship in 82. And guess what they got, they got to select James Worthy number one overall.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Okay, how is that fair, right?
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Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Yes. No, so normally the best, so normally the collegiate best player or what is deemed the best player goes to the worst situation because we want that guy to catch up. If we just put the, the worst, the best players on the best teams, they would stay bad. I just, I, I, they just, they're not going to give it time, Ocho. They're just not going to give it time because you're going to have to pay these quarterbacks, these quarterbacks are going to be getting $3 million. Three, excuse me, 300 million.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Yeah, absolutely.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
And so there's like, but this is the problem, dude.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
This is the problem that scares me. If you only gave Callahan two years, right? You get you drafted. Cam Ward, I'm not sure how much time he, I'm not sure how much, how many years on his rookie deal do you have the patience?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
They got four plus to fifth year option.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Do you have the patience with him as well? So I, I, I, I, I don't know. Stuff like that scares me. It scares me especially when you fire coach that early, knowing that you're drafting or you're picking in the position you're picking for, for a reason. Bringing another coach and still not having the players is not going to change a goddamn thing.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
I, I'm trying to think a quarterback that didn't, I mean a Baker Mayfield wasn't Freddie K fired doing Baker's rookie year.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Right.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
So this is not, this is not new. This has been going on. You go back to last, you go back the last decade plus and go back and look at the 1 overall picks and see their quarterbacks get fired during that first year.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Crazy.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Because a lot of times he was there the year before and they get to work your quarterback and they get, you gotta go. Yeah, okay. Hugh. Hugh Jack. Okay. Okay. So see it's, this is, this is not, this is not something new. It's been going on but I think now we're starting like, damn, what do you expect from a team that, that let Derrick Henry go? You didn't get anything for him and you traded away A.J. brown for trilling Brook Burks and now he's in the, he's in, he was in Denver I think today or last week working out. So do you think that is a team that is equipped.
Ryan Seacrest
No.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
You let Derrick Henry walk out the door scot free. You traded A.J. brown, you had one of the better coaches, Mike Brable, and you Fired him.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Damn. Who gonna be the next coach?
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Well, Mike McCoy. It was on the staff, so he's taken over. He was the head coach at the Chargers.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
So he's the interim.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
He was then he was offensive coordinator in Denver when Denver went to that super bowl and they got the doors blown off him. But he. He decided he was at the. I think there was San Diego then, and they ended up moving. They went to the playoffs his first year, but then he ended up losing his job. So he. He's the interim coach at this point in time. I just don't think. I just don't think they have an idea. You trade your best player, the best coach you've had in a very, very long time, you fire him. You've gone through two, three general managers in a span of five years. That's not. That's not the continuity that you need in order to build a winning program. I just don't. I just don't. I don't know if they're going to get it right this time around either, Joe.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
Well, listen. Listen. If they don't. If they don't get it right, we might as well put our goddamn name in the hat and see if we can come away with. Get us a little opportunity. You know, we could diversify our portfolio.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
No, I'm good. My portfolio is diversified. Okay. Okay.
Co-host/Analyst (possibly Ocho)
You know, it don't hurt to add a little more. Now, can you imagine? Shannon Sharp, general Manager, Tennessee Titans I've.
Host (possibly Ocho or Dale)
Made it abundantly clear I want no part. I want to cover the NFL in this capacity. I don't want to work for an organization in any capacity.
Devin White
Okay.
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Episode Date: October 18, 2025
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NFL legend Shannon Sharpe and crew break down the latest seismic headlines in the NFL—revenge-fueled performances, front office shakeups, contract drama, and player journeys—through raw, player-led conversations. Guests include Panthers RB Rico Dowdle and Raiders LB Devin White, with commentary from co-hosts (likely Ocho and Dale), blending insider perspective, player emotion, and locker room banter.
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This episode is a masterclass in modern NFL reality—business over loyalty, the psychological grind of proving doubters wrong, and the ripple effects of franchise instability. Whether it’s Dowdle’s “chip on the shoulder” performances, White’s journey from Tampa heartbreak to Vegas adjuster, or the high-stakes chess games over receivers and defensive stars, Club Shay Shay delivers organic, locker-room insight that outpaces any hot take on TV.
For the NFL fan, this is the blueprint for understanding how the sausage gets made and why so many cooks—front offices, agents, and owners—often spoil the meal.