Best of NFL News Part 1: Shedeur Sander's ISSUE with Jerry Jeudy, & AB HOF SNUB?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Best of NFL News Part 1

Episode Theme/Overview
In this lively episode, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe teams up with Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) to break down some of the hottest topics from around the NFL. With the episode billed as “Best of NFL News Part 1,” the duo dives deep into player controversies, the importance and dynamics of team chemistry, Hall of Fame debates (especially around Antonio Brown), offensive system legacies, and more. The discussion is unfiltered, humorous, and often personal, giving listeners inside perspectives from two boys who’ve “been there.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The Challenge of Player Families on Social Media

[03:02 - 16:47]

• Situation: Dylan Gabriel’s fiancée stirred drama on social media by claiming “everybody in the building wants him to play,” prompting speculation and locker room tension.
• Chad and Shannon’s Take:
  • Families and significant others often don't understand the intricacies of NFL rosters and playing time.
  • Comments from outside the locker room can quickly become issues within, regardless of intent.
  • Chad: “You have to be careful now. Oo, because back then there was no social media that your significant other could go to.” (05:16)
  • Shannon: “Once you hit send, it’s a rap.” (05:36)
  • Athletes vent in private—wives, fiancées, etc.—but in the social media era, those private frustrations can go worldwide instantly.
  • Even if statements are the fiancée’s alone, the public will attribute them to the player and it causes locker room headaches.
  • Shannon: “Anything you say that’s related to football is going to be tied back to him, and that’s not fair.” (13:16)
  • Example: The difference between public-facing significant others (Taylor Swift, Sierra) vs. low-profile ones (Savannah James, Peyton Manning’s wife).
  • Advised young women involved with athletes: Be mindful what you say online—everything circles back.
  • Locker room information leaks are always tracked, often traced to a small circle.

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon: “Be mindful of what you say because whether they said it or not, it’s going back to them.” (04:30)
• Chad: “I just wish people understood... it puts Dylan in a bad spot.” (05:44)
• Shannon: “I’m not telling you what I heard. I’m telling you what I know.” (06:47)
• Chad: “You have to move differently... and you have to abide by [different] rules.” (14:27)

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2. Shedeur Sanders & Jerry Jeudy: Trust Issues & Chemistry

[21:37 - 34:37]

• Core Issue: Shedeur Sanders openly admits chemistry with Jerry Jeudy “will take some time,” pointing to a need for more trust and connection.
• Shannon’s Take:
  • Connection between a new QB and WR takes time, effort, and shared practice—there are always “nuances and rhythms” to learn.
  • Shannon: “Once that Wi-Fi get on point, it’s gonna be alright.” (21:55)
  • Chad points out: Jeudy’s sideline frustrations are unhelpful, especially given his own history with drops.
• Is Jerry Jeudy a true #1 receiver?
  • Shannon argues Jeudy’s exceptional get-open ability makes him a legit “number one.”
  • Chad is skeptical, arguing he’s a strong number two at best, noting stats and that teams don’t game-plan to stop him.
  • Humorous and heated debate ensues, with both men comparing Jeudy to names like CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, AJ Brown, Nico Collins, Drake London, and more.
• Situational Factors:
  • Shannon insists context—quarterback play, offensive system—matters before labeling a receiver.
  • Chad: “Jerry Judy leads the NFL in drop percentage... almost 19.6% higher than any other receiver.” (34:00)

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon: “Being able to get open, beat man-to-man and create separation... Jerry Judy can do that.” (27:41)
• Chad: “You can name 20 receivers, 25 receivers better than... He's number one on that team because you got to...but you go 25 deep receivers before you take him.” (28:14)
• Shannon: “90% of the chat can’t cover me.” (34:41)

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3. Antonio Brown & The Hall of Fame Debate

[40:27 - 46:10]

• Background: Terrell Suggs claims on a podcast that Antonio Brown is Hall of Fame–worthy but won’t make it first ballot due to off-field issues.
• Chad & Shannon’s Take:
  • Both strongly agree Brown has the on-field production—statistically and impact-wise.
  • Shannon: “You can’t tell the story [of the NFL] without Antonio...Brown.” (41:51)
  • Controversy: The Hall of Fame began shifting criteria, weighing off-field and locker room behavior. This affected TO, who had to wait despite elite numbers.
  • Shannon: “Now we’re making it personal... If you don’t conduct yourselves in the manner in which we see fit away from the game of football, now we can chastise you for it.”
  • O.J. Simpson’s Hall membership is cited as a precedent—once you’re in, you’re in.
  • Presenters have to address a candidate’s off-field baggage, making AB’s induction more difficult despite his greatness.
• Notable Quotes:
  • Chad: “If TO is not a first-ballot Hall of Famer...it’s crazy.” (42:57)
  • Shannon: “They control everything... You can't even be yourself, you have to be something different.” (43:42)
  • Chad: “Is AB a Hall of Famer? Yes. Do I think he's going to have a hard time getting in based on his history... Yes.” (45:35)

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4. Offensive System Debate: Shanahan vs. West Coast

[46:10 - 53:13]

• Prompt: Jason Kelce comments that west coast offenses produce more Super Bowl winners than Shanahan/McVay trees.
• Shannon & Chad Analysis:
  • Both agree great quarterbacks and supporting casts are more critical than the “system” alone.
  • West coast short passing plays (“death by a thousand passes”) comparable to soccer’s Barcelona “Tiki-Taka”—slowly and relentlessly moving the ball, frustrating defenses.
  • Chad points out the original west coast didn’t feature elite running backs like Terrell Davis, but now teams exploit RBs like McCaffrey in both run and pass.
  • Modern differences: Teams throw more, have more variations; true “West Coast” style running attacks are rare.
• Notable Quotes:
  • Shannon: “It all comes down to the person at the helm who has the ball in his hands the most in his decision making.” (47:20)
  • Chad: “The true West Coast system ... they really use the short passing game as their run game.” (48:21)

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5. Clinton Portis & Running Back Legacies

[53:13 - 56:07]

• Clinton Portis’ Talent vs. Attitude: Both discuss just how good Portis was with Denver (“monster numbers”), but issues with work ethic and dedication.
• Shannon: “Portis should be in the Hall of Fame... 3100 yards and 31 touchdowns in two seasons.” (53:34)
• Portis’ Off-field Discipline:
  • Stories of Portis coming to games hung over, not tying his shoes at practice, contributing to Mike Shanahan trading him away despite his talent.

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6. Darius Slay Refuses Buffalo Bills Waiver

[57:29 - 62:36]

• Situation: Veteran cornerback Darius Slay declines to report to the Bills after being claimed on waivers, considering retirement, possibly waiting to return to Philadelphia.
• Shannon: “If it was going to be a move, I think he would love to go back to Philly as opposed to Buffalo.” (59:47)
• Chad: The Bills likely claimed him just to prevent strengthening a competitor (like the Eagles).

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7. NFL Suites: The True Cost

[63:08 - 68:31]

• Suites Are For The Rich:
  • Personal debate and reminiscence on the price and experience of owning NFL suite boxes.
  • Costs cited are staggering: a quarter million or more for franchise season suites, multiple millions for Super Bowl suites.
  • Shannon jokes about being “part of the Brown family” for his discounts.
  • Food is not included in suite fees—prices rise closer to midfield.

Notable Quotes:

• Chad: “The closer you get to midfield, they cost a million dollars. What the hell you talking about?” (63:11)
• Shannon: “I guarantee you...if it was anything like the numbers you said, I would have told my homeboys and family: ‘y’all gotta sit y’all ass in the stands’” (64:27)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Once you hit send, it’s a rap.” - Shannon Sharpe (05:36)
• “Be mindful of what you say because whether they said it or not, it’s going back to them.” - Shannon Sharpe (04:30)
• “I’m not telling you what I heard. I’m telling you what I know.” - Shannon Sharpe (06:47)
• “Anything you say that’s related to football is going to be tied back to him, and that’s not fair.” - Shannon Sharpe (13:16)
• “Being able to get open, beat man-to-man and create separation... Jerry Judy can do that.” - Shannon Sharpe (27:41)
• “You can name 20 receivers, 25 receivers better than... He's number one on that team because you got to...but you go 25 deep receivers before you take him.” - Chad Johnson (28:14)
• “If TO is not a first-ballot Hall of Famer... it’s crazy.” - Chad Johnson (42:57)
• "They control everything... You can't even be yourself..." - Shannon Sharpe (43:42)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:02 — Social media drama & impact on team/locker room
• 13:16 — Advice for athlete significant others about public comments
• 21:37 — Shedeur Sanders & Jerry Jeudy chemistry/trust (Jeudy #1 debate starts)
• 34:00 — Stats on Jeudy's drops
• 40:27 — Antonio Brown Hall of Fame candidacy controversy
• 46:10 — Jason Kelce on Shanahan vs. West Coast offenses
• 53:13 — Clinton Portis and legendary RB discussions
• 57:29 — Darius Slay waivers, Buffalo/Philly preference
• 63:08 — Real cost of NFL suites

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Tone & Style

• Banter, humor, and friendly disagreements are staples—Shannon’s “Unc” wisdom matched with Chad’s sharp, sometimes irreverent takes.
• Candid, insider talk—pulling no punches about what actually happens in NFL locker rooms, boardrooms, and on social media.
• The conversation is loose, unscripted, packed with anecdotes and analogies (including Shannon’s memorable football-to-soccer West Coast offense comparison).

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This summary walks through the most significant NFL news as dissected by two former NFL stars who are unafraid to call out issues (on and off the field). From the pitfalls of airing grievances online to the nuances behind Hall of Fame credentials, and from the real economics of luxury suites to the subtle difference between #1 and #2 wideouts, the episode is a candid, informed, and always entertaining look into pro football’s most talked-about headlines.

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Oo, I bet Hard Knocks wishing they were following the Cleveland Browns around this year now is Dylan Gabriel's significant other jumping into the drama, Tik Tok saying, my fiance Dylan is not playing. I have thoughts about that, but I'm not going to share it. She then captioned another with Brown's loss, what's new? But then this is he got into a disagreement with a commenter on a post and wrote, actually, everyone in the building wants him to play. But you wouldn't know because you're never been into the NFL or coach, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you know, I mean, listen, we see this all the time. We see family members display their frustrations, whatever they may be really not understanding how the game works, you know, the ins and outs of it. And you know, she wants her fiance to be on the field. You know, he's not on the field. Shador has been chosen to be the quarterback.

[Chad Johnson]

How would she know? Everybody in the building wants him to play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, they've been on the news for how long?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm asking you, how does she know that unless somebody pillow talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, come on, man.

[Chad Johnson]

I tell you what. Let Charles let When using Cincinnati.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Let Chaucer say, man, my brother ain't getting the ball. They need to throw the ball of my ball or trade it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

What you tell me what you think the people in Cincinnati and what the Bengals organization gonna think. Where did that come from?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that. That. Did I say something?

[Chad Johnson]

What you be. I say something. You know, they came that came from you. That even if it didn't, that's what they're going to believe. That's why I always tell family, friends and loved ones, be mindful of what you say because whether they said it or not, it's going back to them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean, we, you know, that's his wife. You know, they have those conversations. I'm sure he does. Of course I want to play. Of course I want to start. You know, you, you go home and who's the one who's a one person you have peace and can vent to when it comes to? Would you. Oh, honey. How was your day at work? Well, shit, I ain't starting. Those are conversations that I had between a couple, a husband and wife, a fiance. You know, I mean, that, that's, that's normal. And she's venting and her frustrations about, oh, damn, here we go. What's new we done lost again.

[Chad Johnson]

But you have to be careful now. Oo, because back then there was no social media that your significant other could go to. I. Now there's this platform called social media.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

That they can go to and disseminate information all across the world and instantaneous. So even if you were to send and then hit delete, it's gone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it's too late.

[Chad Johnson]

It's gone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's too late. Once you hit send, it's a rap.

[Chad Johnson]

Man. Lord have mercy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I just, I just wish people understood that it's a, it makes it put Dylan in, in a bad spot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Because I don't believe. See, when she said the locker, when she said, hold on, let me say.

Actually the building. When she say the building. I don't think, I think it's from locker room up. I don't think it's the locker room down. I don't think it's the locker room. I think it's from above the locker room up the building. I think that's the executive. I think that's the front office. Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We already, we already know that though. We already know that based on the words vers. Based on things that have been said, you know, you know that part. But down, down, down below where it really matters, the meat and potatoes of the team. You, you, I, I don't need this. I don't, I don't need to say no more because I, I can't, I can't throw anybody else under the bus, you know, like, like I slipped up long time ago. I, I, I don't want to do that again. But, but you, that's, that's what they, that's what they want just be.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what they want in, inside that building. The people that's going to war.

And I'm not telling you what, I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.

[Chad Johnson]

What I don't understand is that people need to understand you're not the center of attention. If you weren't dating Dylan Gabriel, how many people you think would know who she is?

That's what anybody, unless you Taylor Swift. Now, Taylor Swift is a different animal. Everybody know who she is, even if she does not date in draft.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

But when you look at it, Sierra Russ, okay, that's a different, that's a different dynamic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

But when we're talking about somebody that doesn't have that name, that name or brand recognition that you only know. Oh, that's Dylan Gabriel, fiance, Right. Oh, that's such a. That's Ocho's wife, man. That's Ocho's significant other.

So anything that gets said out of her mouth, that at Coral, that relates back to football, right? Ocho talking ass.

That's how it is. I'm sorry. It's just like stuff at work, when stuff come back to work.

Oh, I told you that. I told you that.

I've seen situations get messy because something got said in the locker room. Somebody went back and told their wife or girlfriend.

Now, and it got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it got all over the place, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

All over the place. Damn.

And you know where it came from because we talked about it in the locker room.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Locker room. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

It ain't none of them. Ain't none of the wives, girlfriends, significant others, Beyonce or whatever. They want to be within the locker room to hear it. So one of you mofo said it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Running your mind.

[Chad Johnson]

And in that group, it ain't but a small group. It ain't like we talking aloud across the. Across the room, huh? Talking in a small group. Four or five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, so we're on the practice field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's easy to pinpoint who says something.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

Absolutely. I always ask somebody, hey, man, Sean, let me tell you something. I'd be like, okay, who else you told? Man, I ain't told nobody. Because I don't want you to tell somebody else. And then they get out and then you talk about my shop. I ain't tell nobody. But sharp, you a damn lie. Because if you already told somebody else, don't tell me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, hold on, hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Chad, it's just a bad. It's just a bad spot to put your significant other in. In the locker room. Because I'm telling you how athletes think, Be it football, basketball, baseball, when something gets out and if team related, they like what.

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[Chad Johnson]

She must have heard him say that. He's saying that even if it's not true. She could have just been going out on a whim on her own and saying how she feels. Dylan might not have said anything, but they still going to attach it.

It's just like anything else. If somebody does something, the first per. The first place they go. Look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, you see that? Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

First of all, why you got my jersey? Ocho, why you got my jerseys?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen. Hey. When I ate. Let me tell you something. When I. When I. Hold on. Let me tell you how I got this jersey.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, see, when you was out of town, right? When you were traveling and you were doing them alcohol. Hey, listen, you were doing one of them alcohol signings, and I had to break in your house, right? And I had to steal my trophies. Dude, I, I, I snatched one of these jerseys up off of you. I snatched one of these jerseys.

[Chad Johnson]

How about we make a trade, huh? How about we make a trade?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, don't worry about it. I'm gonna keep this. I'm gonna keep this. I mean, I'm gonna keep this for the rest of my trophies. Hey, this the real deal, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at the sleeves.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I got the home and away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Huge high tide.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that.

[Chad Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you what, when you send the rest of my awards, I got you.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, I appreciate this. Hey, hey, it's heavy. It's stitched up, too. This the real deal, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on. You see what that?

Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, we. We look about the same. See the guns? Yes, sir. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I just.

Chad, it's kind of like Oo if somebody in jail and they escape, what's the. Where the first per. The first place they go is where they mama.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

Girl.

[Chad Johnson]

Might not. He ain't got no. He got to be going there, girl. Hey, think about somebody saying something and it has to do with the locker room. The first. Even if, Even like I said, oo, even if that's her. Even though her own thoughts and she. I, I like to believe she's smart enough and she can have her own thoughts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

But that's not what people are going to believe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, not, not at all. And I don't, I don't think she's thinking about it that way anyway. She was just more so expressing her feelings based on how she feels about. Want her husband or husband to be, you know, to actually be out there actually playing. So. But she knows she know better now because she's gonna get the backlash, you know, and then it's going to fall on Dylan Gabriel and he going to get pissed. What are you doing? You can't be doing that. You know, they. They're both new to this. They're both new to this, and she will understand. You got to be careful before you, before you hit sin. You got to think because once you hit it, it's there for life.

[Chad Johnson]

And guess what else, Ocho? Guess who going to get asked about this. You think they're going to ask 12 about this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You think they're going to ask Stefanski about this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of course.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't really have. Shouldn't look. They should be like, okay, what do you guys need to do to get a win? What do you guys need? Blah, blah, blah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

I got. Now. I got now I've got to ask answer questions about something. Some. A lady that ain't. Hey, ain't never. Ain't never only been going to the game to see Dylan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now I gotta answer questions about what she said. That ain't got nothing to do that's going to help us win a football game, Mocho. Nothing whatsoever. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, it just adds to the circus.

Adds unnecessary, unnecessary fuel to the fire.

[Chad Johnson]

So I, I just like Chad. I would just recommend anybody, young ladies, if you, you, you. You dating a guy in college or high school and you guys might be together. Just keep that in mind. Everything you say that's related to football is going to be tied back to him. And you might have your. You might be like you. You might be your own person. You. You have your own thoughts, you have your own mind. And I get to talk. I can speak freely. But they're going to tie it back to him and that's not fair. And that's not fair to him. And you don't want to put that kind of stress. You don't want to put that kind of pressure and you don't want to shine that kind of light on him. So just be, just, just be mindful of that. That your actions.

Going to reflect back on him. It's going to tie back to him. Just like if you do something out. Oh, man, that's. Man. Oh, man. You see, man, you heard what happened to OO Girl, man. You heard, man. Man. Man, they say shop girl was acting a fool in the mall.

Yeah, it's. It's different when you date a celeb. Entertainer, actor, actress. It's a different set of rules.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

And you have to move differently.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta abide by.

[Chad Johnson]

You can't like, oh, I move high. You can't do that. You can, because now you, you can't just think about you. You have to think about that other person and the, the pro possible Jeopardy apparels you might put them in. And I don't think enough people do that. No, but you should. I mean, the really ones. Oh, you ain't never seen. You ain't never seen Peyton Manning wife or heard her say anything, have you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. See, that, that's, that's. That's a different type of understanding.

[Chad Johnson]

I had no idea till she walked up to me. She said, you don't know who I am? I say, I sure don't. She said, I'm Ashley Man, I say, how you doing? Yeah, had a great. There's. I mean, so many people that you wouldn't even know. That's their. Why. Because they, like, hey, stay in the shadows, do what I do. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, some understand they have to play the background. Some understand they have to play the background. And they're not the main character. I understand I'm not the main character. And I know my place and I know my role. They're a lot like that. Then there are some that want to be front and center. Okay, that's my man. Where I need to be. I need to be front center right along with him. It's different.

[Chad Johnson]

Every.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody different. And it also depends on who you're dating.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some people date you just because they want to be front and center.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And quarterback, first of all, quarterbacks, bar is a different level.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

You basically dating the CEO.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

You date the CEO, the guy. So you definitely. You definitely have to be willing to take a back seat. You got to be like. Like Savannah James.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

She ain't gonna. Hey, she gonna do a little podcast. She got a little whatever she got going on.

Look, they. They try to beat up Aisha Curry, but I understand what she's saying. I understand what she's saying.

But, man, I just. I just. I just hate it. I just, you know, understand they. They young, though. Oo. Some things. You know something? Sometimes you have to make a mistake before you understand the gravity of what you're in, and then you get a true understanding of what you're dealing with. So hopefully she learned that. Just keep that to yourself. Okay? The building wants him to play. If when that time comes, he gets an opportunity to get back in there, he plays well. He's over to hold down the spot. But don't you go on social media and act.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business? My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more, more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Wow.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We're happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things. To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.

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[Jenna Kim Jones]

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[Jenna Kim Jones]

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[Clean the World Representative]

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[Jenna Kim Jones]

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[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Joe Chador Sanders says he's working hard to build trust with Jerry. Judy, the door says it's going to take some time. That chemistry with guys like Jerry, I'm more of a trust person. So we have to spend some time on the table ask. It's just, it's just. And I told you, oh, anytime you, anytime you start doing this right here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean listen, it's a disconnect, you know, it's a disconnect. Once that wi fi get on point, it's gonna be all right. You gotta understand these two ain't work together.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chemistry is very important. I think people, those that have played the game at, at any level, you understand. It's one thing when you get to the NFL, right. You have to be able to, you have to work with your receivers. You gotta work with receivers because just because you have a ball in your hand and you have a guy out there running routes doesn't mean you have an instant connection.

[Chad Johnson]

True.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's certain little nuances that you have to have certain rhythms and timing that you have to know that over a course of a training camp, over a course of the off season that you get to know your receivers. I mean right now I understand their frustrations. They're not winning. Judy wants to get the ball. Judy wants to be productive in that offense and things aren't going the way he'd like right now.

[Chad Johnson]

But the problem that people are going to have is that, first of all, Shador is a rookie quarterback only in only his second start, like you said. But what about the previous eight games when Dylan Gabriel was in there and Joe Flacco was in there? So how many times did you. Do we see that, that kind of attitude on the sideline, right?

Cause I'm sure Dylan Gabriel failed a bunch of them. He killed a bunch of worms and he'd knocked a couple of birds out of the sky and we didn't see this. So people like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jew. The man just got in this on his second game starting. He's a rookie quarterback. If he's a second year, third year guy and y' all still not on the same page, right, I would get it. Yeah. But in this scenario, it's hard to get people to be on your side, considering, if I'm not mistaken, he lead the league in drops and you had a 35 yard completion that you let the guy come from behind you and knock the ball out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So that's what people see.

Now. Last year he had an unbelievable season. Jameis did a great job of throwing him the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, crazy work last year.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, crazy. But you have to. But oo now we can't take one season and forget about the, the, the, the, the years that was in Denver before and what's going on right now.

We're not going to do that. I just want, I want, I want Jerry to understand that this is a rookie quarter. A rookie quarterback in only his second start. How about, I mean, maybe y' all spend some extra time after practice, after.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Practice, Wednesday, Thursdays, Friday, stay out, Stay, stay out a little bit longer. You know, get. Listen, hell, me and Uncle Me, I'm talking. Me and uncle me and Carson used to do that. Used to do that. And I'm not talking about when he first got there. From when he first got there. Third year, fourth year, fifth year. We get, we got in that extra timing just to know, boy, you can have. We could have a goddamn blindfold on. He can throw that ball and know exactly where I'm going to be at, right? Every time on rhythm, regardless of a rush, regardless of whoever's in front of you, regardless of a defense. So when we were out there, it was like, it was. Damn. It was damn near 707. Like, that's how sharp and on point and precise we were. It was like, it was Damn near like 707.

[Chad Johnson]

But it but it's. But it takes time to build.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Relationship.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You just don't go. You just don't go in like, okay, yeah, we got it. No, it doesn't happen like that. You've got to put time in. Y' all need to sit in a meeting room. Okay, tell me what you thinking on this route. Tell me what you thinking on this play right here. That's how. That's how I was with John. I'm like, okay, tell me what you thinking. Well, if the guy's playing you like this, expect it on the outside. If you put it like this, I'm gonna put it on your back shoulder. Or, you know, hey, like we were talking about, when that guy's running and I can't beat him over the top. Oh, he said, I'm a back shoulder. You so just know that the ball is going to come. You're going to have to open your hips and catch it on your back shoulder.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what's funny is that I'm. I like that we talk about this too. And I want to talk about the way. The way I view Jerry Judy and the type of receiver he is is they're having problems. They're having problems and issues offensively over there in. In Cleveland. But I. I've always seen Jerry Judy is not a problem, but a solution to the problem, especially with the skill set that he has as a receiver, regardless of the drops, regardless of. Of. Of the issues he's may have had, understanding what he can do when it comes to putting people in the goddamn blender, being able to define the mismatches for him offensively, knowing that he can beat. He. He can beat whoever is out there at db. He can beat, like. Let me say this again. He can beat whoever there is out there at db. He's a mismatch for damn near anybody. Unless we talk about, you know, one of the top two better DBs in.

[Lowe's Advertiser]

In.

[Sophie Cunningham]

In.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the NFL. His route runner is tremendous. His. His ability to separate is tremendous. So I don't even understand where the issues are coming from, you know, especially seeing them with the. With the animations and theatrics on the sideline.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, let's. Goddamn easy. You know, the fact that he's one of those few players, there's only a handful of them. You know, I don't got to worry about you here. I need you to just get open. Just do that for me. Just get open.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, so you look at Judy as the number one.

[Lowe's Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Not even close.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't think so.

[Chad Johnson]

No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you. You listen, can I say something real quick? Yes, I know so. I know some of maybe people in the chat or maybe you might not be fond of them, but.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I ain't got no. I like him. I thought he. I thought he should have been. I said when they came out. He came out that draft with cd, with Jetta, with Rugs. I said he should have been the number one receiver. Take it. Yeah, so I. Yeah. Hey. And I was happy that he went. But Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, simply. Simply this. Huh? Simply this. Being able to get open, beat man to man and create separation. That's. That's all I need. Because the ones that are number twos can't do that consistently. The people that are number two cannot do that consistently. Those. All receivers that are number one receivers. My officer coordinator doesn't have to hide me. We. It's third down. We need you to get open man to man. I don't give a. Oh, I almost cursed. I don't care what it is. Get open. Jerry Judy can do that. He can do that.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just saying you can name 20 receivers, 25 receivers better than. I mean, he's number one on that team because you got to. Look, if you talking about a number one, because he has to be a number one on that team. But you go 25 deep receivers before you take him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we. We basing things off skill set. Are you basing it off numbers? What are we talking about?

[Chad Johnson]

His skills are not conducive. Look at his numbers in Denver. Look at his numbers now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I just said. Are you talking about his skill set or we talk about numbers?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, everybody's a number one if you just look at skill set. Because everybody can get open. I can stack up a bunch of. Yes, they can. No, I'm not. Look, let me take that back. Everybody can't get open. But how many. How many. If we were to have a draft right now and you start taking receivers, how long before Judy gets selected?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, we. You.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You throwing. You throwing. You throwing in different scenarios that I'm not talking about. He's not a one.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he's Ocho. He's. He's a two. He's a solid two. A solid two. He's not a one receiver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What is.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me ask you a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. What is your criteria? What's your criteria for being the number one receiver? I'm curious.

[Chad Johnson]

They build a game plan to stop you. Are they building game plans to stop Jerry Judy?

You Know damn well they're not building no game plan. They built a game plan to stop Ochocinko. They built game plans to stop Shannon Sharp. He is not a number one. Because you know why Chat. If he was the number one, OO would have said, hell, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm. I'm.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, hold on. Are they building. Are the defensive building game plans to stop him? Yes or no?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. So let's go. We got 32 NFL teams, right?

[Chad Johnson]

I asked your. Let me. No, no, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't do that. No, let me finish. You got 32 NFL teams. So every time, every team plays that has a number one receiver, the defense is game plan to stop their number one.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely not. When we come. When we come.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

Or when we come in on Wednesday, if he's circled as a D, a guy that we got to stop. If we don't stop him, that's what a number one is. I'm not saying that every week he's going to get that, but we got to focus on him. If we don't stop him, we can't. It's going to be hard for us to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's only five receivers in the NFL that teams have to do that to.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho. Only five. Number one. And you. It's O. I get. He's from Miami. Only five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, A.J. brown, C.D. lamb Pickens. It's only a few receivers.

[Chad Johnson]

Nico Collins is a number one. Tyreek Hill is a number one. Brian Thomas Jr. Is a number one. The guy at the Giants is a number one. Picking CD is a number one. Terry McLaurin is a number one. The guy that. They got two guys in the Drake London is a number one. Stop this notion. Ocho, don't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on. You just throwing anybody name out there. Top cone.

[Chad Johnson]

Are they number ones, yes or no? Who are they? Number ones, yes or no?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you. Oh, so hold on. So when you play the Atlanta Falcons, the focal point is stopping Drake London.

[Chad Johnson]

Is Drake London the number one?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that what you're telling me? Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

He's their best receiver, okay. He not their best receiver, okay? Jsn. JSN Is not a number.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Now. Now we talking.

[Chad Johnson]

Now we talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now we. Now we talking. Now we talking. Now we talking.

Now we.

[Chad Johnson]

I like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that. Now, come on, Ocho. Nah.

I'm basing. No, I'm basing it off what you're able to do. I need skill set.

[Chad Johnson]

How do we know Ocho? He's had one year. So what about those years that he didn't do nothing.

So all of a sudden. So he just acquired this skill set last year. The previous three years he lost it and he's lost it now, but he had it last year.

Nah.

I tell you what, you take Jerry Judy or devonte Smith, you take Jerry Judy or Jaylen Waddle. I'm just, I'm just asking. Those are guys that play too. So would you take them? Would you take, would you take Jerry Judy or would you take Devontae Smith? Would you take, Would you take Jerry Judy or Jalen Waddle?

Would you take, would you take him or you take Pierce? Would you take Pierce in, in Indy or would you take Michael Pittman Jr. Over Judy? Which one you taking? I'm giving you, I'm giving, I'm giving you every chance to take Judy up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So listen, you hear everything, all the comparison and the teams and, and, and how you doing? And how you doing that right? You see what you're doing? You talk about, you talk about, you talk about players that are all on competent offenses that get that get balls with quarterbacks. You see, you see what you're doing with. Let me ask you, are you trying, are you trying. No, no, no. You trying to compare the goddamn shit circus he got to fucking deal with at Cleveland and, and you're naming the Dolphins, you naming Daniel Jones over there throwing the ball, looking like goddamn Tom Brady reincarnated? Like, come on, man.

[Chad Johnson]

What about Malik Neighbors? How was he, what was the Giants last year?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he, he was gangster.

He was gangster.

[Chad Johnson]

You mean that rum, that rummage sale that they had up at the Giants last year that he had 100 and something catches?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, they threw that thing to him like crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just, I'm just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, this is, this is a great, this is a great. I like this conversation. I like this conversation. But let me tell you something also situations matter, where you are matters, quarterback matters. It's so many factors that come into play, especially when you start naming other receivers on other teams that are in totally different offenses with good quarterbacks and great offensive systems that, that's all. So it's like, it's, eh, it's almost unfair to have that conversation in comparison. But let's, let's, let's move on.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, 90 of the chat disagree with you. 90% of the chat say he's not on one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, 90 of the chat can't, can't cover me.

[Chad Johnson]

As a matter of fact, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

100 of the chat can't cover me and tell me nothing. About playing receiver.

[Chad Johnson]

Maybe 15 years ago you had a very compelling argument. Now.

Jerry, Jerry Judy leaves the NFL and drops and drop percentage with qualified on target passes drop by receiver. Judy has dropped almost 19,6% higher than any other receiver.

Hey, bad Ocho to be a hell of attorney, y'.

[Lowe's Advertiser]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho know damn well y' all guilty. Ocho to hit whatever it is the weapon. Ocho done gave it to the lawyer. Ocho, man, look at my client, he do this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, you got me hot, man talking about the check. Hey, you got me hot talking about the chat to cover me, man. I'm hot.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hello. Hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast Smart Talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business? My one advice to them, Pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology, is getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things. To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.

[Odoo Advertiser]

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[Lowe's Advertiser]

Cozy, stay home and save big online during Lowe's December deal drops. Because honestly, why go anywhere when the deals come to you? Check this out. Lowe's is going to give you two free select tools from dewalt, Craftsman or Cobalt when you buy a select battery or combo kit. Yep, two tools free. It's basically a holiday miracle. Plus rewards members get free standard shipping all month long. Yet another reason not to leave your couch. Kick back, click around, let the savings roll in. Shop New December deal drops on lowe's.com every week this month. Fresh deals, cozy vibes, zero effort.

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

This is Mandy Woodruff Santos from Brown Ambition. Hey ba fam. When you start a new business, your first reaction might be to say something like yes, Queen, let's go. But one thing to say that could be a huge help is like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. And just like that, State Farm will be there with the coverage that fits your needs. Whether your business is growing or just opened its doors. State Farm agents are small business owners too, so they know what it takes. They can help you create an insurance plan that fits your small business needs and budget. And when you need help, State Farm is there to answer your small business questions or help you file a claim and get you back in business. With State Farm, you can worry less about the unexpected and focus more on your business. With the State Farm agent, you know someone is helping you achieve your goals. Just say like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Breaking news everybody. Not everything is terrible. I repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect with Jenna Kim Jones is proof that the Internet it hasn't ruined humanity entirely.

[Clean the World Representative]

Clean the world. We have almost 10,000 hotels that operate our soap and plastic recycling program and we have created and distributed 90 million free bars of soap to children, families, mothers in 127 countries across the globe.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's like magic you guys. So put down your doom scroller and pick up your faith in humanity and join me, Jenna for the ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. You really can.

[Clean the World Representative]

Best stat of all is that the death rate to children under the age of five dying to hygiene related illnesses has decreased by more than 60% since the day we started.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Listen to the ripple effect with Jenna Kim Jones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chad Johnson]

Speaking of hall of fame, Tara Suggs went on Johnny's Glory Days podcast and talked About Anton Antonio Brown's upcoming Pro Football hall of Fame candidacy. Sugg said he's a first bat. Is he a first ballot? I wouldn't think so. The off the field stuff, they're going to shy away from that probably until he get. Until it gets resolved. They let another murderer in the 90s.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

They let another murderer in the 90s. I bet you if they could, they would have waited. Like, we might not want to put this guy in this fraternity just yet. Hey, I. I don't think. I don't think. Because you got to think about it. To had nut. Look, should AB Be a. First of all, let me say this. Should he be a first ballot based on what he did?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ray Charles can see that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, yes.

But with to. They changed the bylaws. They said what you did off the field and what you did in the locker room or on the sidelines could be weighed against you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So you see how they did that on. You see how they were able to move the goal post. You see how they would move the goal post and having the power to control.

Having the power to be able to control when and who not to let in. When they retired. The criteria for making the Pro Football hall of Fame is conducted and based off what you do in between the goddamn lines. So now, now we're making it personal.

[Chad Johnson]

They changed it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they changed it. They changed it for. For in their favor. So if you don't conduct yourselves in the manner in which we see fit away from the game of football, now we can chastise you for it. We can chastise you for it. I mean, listen, AB Is a bonafide hall of Famer, no matter what. I understand what he's done off the field. I even understand some of the stuff he's done on the field. But when he would. When it was time to go. When you talk about the story, you talk about some of the greatest NFL receivers that ever played. His mother almost cursed greatest receivers that ever played this game. You can't tell the story without mentioning Antonio goddamn Brown.

[Chad Johnson]

You're right. I think he's talking about O.J. but O.J. was already in. That's the one thing about that fraternity. Once you're in, you can't. They can't take you out. You're there for perpetuity. So. So I think he was talking about O.J. but O.J. was already in. So there's nothing you can do now. Maybe at USC they removed some of his paraphernalia or they took him down. I don't know, but in the NFL, you, once you go into that building, you're in that building.

I just think the thing is Ocho, I just think he's gonna have to wait. They made to wait three rounds to. If Tio is not a first ballot hall of Famer, the man had the third, had the third most catches. I think at the time of his retirement, he had the second most receiving yards, over a thousand yards. He's only, there's only been three men. There's been a first team all pro with three different men with three different teams. Deion Sanders, Ted Hendricks and one to. So three men in the history of the game has been a first team all pro with three different teams to led San Francisco in yards. He led.

Buffalo in yards. He led Philly in yards. He led Dallas in yards. He led Cincinnati for five teams. Five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You know what? You know what I don't like? I don't like the fact that they hold, they hold so much power. They control everything. Yeah, they able to control everything. And you have players, you have players that played extremely well at a very high level, consistent for a very long time, and you have people that are able to control, you know, and if it affects a lot of players that want to be a part of that fraternity so bad, you want to be. So you have to, you have to pander to it. You know, it's out of your control. So if you, you can't even almost, you can't even be yourself. You have to be something different. You have to conform to what they want you to be like, why you're playing the game in order to be a part of this over here, because of what it means, one of the greatest, if not the greatest achievement as an NFL player. But. Or.

[Chad Johnson]

And the thing is, I mean, I don't know if he's talking about O.J. but O.J. was acquitted. Now, you might think he did it or he know who did it or he has something to do, but he went before 12 men and women and they said not guilty.

After that, we can come up with conjecture and speculation and innuendo all we want, but at the end of the day, he went before a jury of his peers and they heard all the evidence and they said not guilty. But I don't. Like I said, is AB A Hall of Famer? Yes. Do I think he's going to have a hard time getting in based on his history of his off the field activity and the way he conducted himself in Pittsburgh? Because you got to realize, Ocho, when you go before the board. Somebody Ed would probably have to be his presenter. So he would have to get up there and says, okay, Antonio Brown had this many catches, had this, this, this and this. But also.

So you see how that goes. Now some, you know, some guys like hey Tom Brady got gonna say Peyton Manning, the guy just ain't say a word. Peyton, man. Yeah, slide back down. Tom Brady gonna be the same thing. Sit back down. Some guys, you know, offered Jerry Rice sit back down. Emmett Smith, you know, some things like that. But I think he's going to have a hard time getting in based because like you said, it's 50 men and women and every man and woman knows ab story. Yeah, it is what it is.

Jason Kelsey made some interesting comments about the difference between Shanahan offense and the west coast offenses. Let's take a listen to what Kelsey had to say.

[J]

I do think there's a reason. While there has been a lot of great offensive coaches that have come from the Shanahan tree and the McVeigh trees, not a lot of those has transitioned to the Super Bowls. And I think that if you look at the largely the teams that have won Super Bowls over the last decade, most of them have been west coast offenses that are pretty much grounded. A lot of the Bill Walsh and Andy Reid like lineages or pro style offenses. And I think part of that is like the scheme can be great, but it's going to be really hard to win a Super bowl with the coach out scheming. At the end of the day, most of the Super Bowls are won with quarterbacks and players on the field. Teams that operate on a drop back pass more tend to win Super Bowls more because drop back pass is more important in close games and at end of game situations. And that's why I think the west coast offense, while it's not as, you know, as ridiculously interesting as some of the Shanahan principles and things, I think it probably translates when you have great players into more success at the end of the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey Unc, I like, I like that a little bit. I like what he's saying. Obviously Shanahan system and the west coast system, I think it all comes down to obviously having a combination of both, having a combination of great players with the, with the great quarterback. Because if you have, if you have a great quarterback, regardless of the offense that you are running, whether it's like what if, whether it's Shanahan like or if it's west coast system, being able to manipulate that offense and knowing exactly what you're doing and having the right supporting cast, hell, anything is possible. Anything is possible. It all comes down to the person at the helm who has the ball in his hands the most in his decision making. That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. Scheme is great. You know, tactics is great. The system you're running is great, whether it be a Shanahan style offense or whether it be the west coast system offense. Hell, we've seen the west coast system offense be successful. Think about how many teams that have a West coast system that have won the Super Bowl.

[Chad Johnson]

The thing, look in Mike's system, the west coast system, they really use the short passing game as their run game. The true west coast system, the way Bill Walsh ran it, they never had a Terrell Davis. They never had a guy that could hit his head that could run the ball like that. And if you go back and study, you look at Green Bay, Green Bay, they had Dorsey Levins. Hey, Dorsey, look at the West Coast. The very few teams have had a guy that could run the ball like we had with td. And even though you go back and you look at the Broncos, even after td, they had Mike Anderson and they had Reuben Drones and we had Clinton Portis and they had a number of guys they weren't TD. And so if you look at now McCaffrey, you see how he, what they're able to scheme and how they're able to, to run the ball with McCaffrey and, and, and, and still they still throw a lot. We didn't throw the ball that much to the running backs. That was my job, Ed job and Rod foot job to do the, to do the, the leg work. As far as the passing game, yeah, we threw a couple screens, but we weren't a great screen team. Like, like the, like the 49ers are with Kyle like they are with McVeigh. We weren't, we weren't a good, we were not a good screen team. We were a toss it, hand it, weak side zone team. Stop it if you can. And then we're going to play action off of that. We're going to run boot, we're going to run fullback, slide, drag, slide. We're going to run over and we dare you to stop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I do like too about the west coast system month and for those that are in the chat, to give you a different perspective, especially when it comes to soccer, I want you to think about the Barcelona teams. You know, the early days of Messi, when obviously they kill you with 100 passes, you know, Tiki tiger, Tiki Tiger, Tiki Tiger, ticky. That's what I think about the west coast system, you know, being able to have 14, 15, 17, 18 play goddamn drives. And it's damn demoralizing for a defense because there's no way to stop you, because you always able to find the mismatch based on whoever it is at the helm controlling the ball and having the ball in their hands the most. And it. When it's done the right way, when it's done the right way, it's the most beautiful thing in the world. The most beautiful thing in the world to watch.

[Chad Johnson]

But if you look at it, you look at Andy Reid was in that system, Andy Reed, you look at every. Because he came from Mike Holmgren, John Gruden, all those guys. Mariucci, all those guys was under Holmgren who came up under that system. Mike went directly to San Francisco and got that from Bill Walsh himself. And so you see all the guys that came from Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh, all those guys.

LaFleur, O', Connell, all those guys. And so you see a variation of it, they do a lot of. Got their own. Put their own spin on the no show, but that's what it is. But none of them has really had a guy that can run the football like a td. And so that's the only thing that's missing from the west coast that I was in compared to what we see now, they throw a lot more. They throw away. The game has changed now. The game has changed now. So they're gonna throw the ball more than we ran it. We ran more than we threw.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, what is, what is. Mr. Campbell and the Detroit Lions is. Is that not. Not West Coast a little bit?

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. He under par sales, so he got most of his tutelage under par sales.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Because they kill you with those damn. Those damn crossing routes over and over.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they run. They run a lot of shallows, they run a lot of incus. They do a lot of. They do a lot of three by ones, a lot of bunches.

They do a lot of motion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hey, think about the 49ers, huh? Think about the 49, 49ers, especially that year they went to the super bowl with Per. When they, when they face the Chiefs. That is beautiful football in every sense of the word. Because they, they can go. They can start at a five yard line and dink and dunk and dink and dunk and dunk and screenplay. The goddamn McCaffrey chunk. Play the McCaffrey, you know, running off tackle, running through a gap, and just. It's just a continuous. And when it's done the right way, when you have a quarterback that's making all the right decisions and as great as Shanahan is finding the mismatches and making sure you play to your player strengths, putting them in position, make those plays, it's a beautiful thing. I know you don't know anything about soccer, but I could just. I could show you a clip. I could just show you a clip of Barcelona playing. And it's like the death of a thousand passes, and they just going back to back, and they almost lulling the defense to sleep, leveling the defense to sleep until the right time. And it's just before you know it, the goddamn gold in the back. In the. In the back of the net. You don't know what the hell happened.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, tell me somebody. We.

Clinton Porters. Clint. Clinton Porter was unbelievable. He had way more talented. He was way more. Had way more talented than td but he didn't take it as serious as TD.

Clint Porter should be in the hall of Fame.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That boy was 8.

[Chad Johnson]

Clinton Porter's had 3,100 yards and 31 touchdowns in two seasons.

Two seasons.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nice boy. Yes. Hey, they.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, y' all used to Porters want to do, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, y' all used to run that stretch, that stretch. Reporter. Yes. Like, I think Peyton used to run that a lot, too. They. I mean, we looked at quarterback almost falling to get that stretch out there. Oh, my goodness.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Lowe's Advertiser]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, hey, Portis are holding.

[Chad Johnson]

And then we play pass off of it and throw the ball over your head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Port us a whole last stretch long and cut back across that green.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Good night, Irene.

[Chad Johnson]

Look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And once Portis hit that second level, unk.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you. Good luck getting him down. Good luck. But if Portis would have taken it serious. Ocho, do you know how many times on a.

Saturday night I sit up in my room at the bed check.

I see who leaving.

If I see who leaving who. You think he'll see him leaving, Coach?

That's why he traded him. Who trade? Who's gonna. Who's gonna trade a running back? Think about it. He's offensive rookie of the year. He goes to the Pro Bowl. The guy that he beats out for a Pro bowl spot is Ladanian Thomason. Ladanian Thomason has 1600 rush yards and a hundred catches in a season. And Porters beat him out for the Pro Bowl.

Mike traded him because of that.

He Wouldn't want to work out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, he was lazy.

Hold on. Coming from a program like the University of Miami, where everything is predicated.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know where it came from. I'm telling you what he was when he got to them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the way them boys work coming out to you, I just thought that that transition would have. Would have stuck, especially going into the league.

Man.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, Porters came to the game one time, hung over to my. I'm finna. Man, I can't play today. You better get your ass out there and run some gas. Run that lick out and get your ass and do a contrast. They ain't got nothing to do with Mike. Mike ain't no portal looking down your throat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I bet he had one hell of a game, too.

[Chad Johnson]

A monster. A monster came.

Man, Po. I say, Pope, man, why you won't do right? He'll tell you. He'll tell you himself.

I mean, I got.

I mean, I thought it was just gonna be a matter of time. I didn't think he was gonna trade him. Cause I did all I could, you know, being a veteran presence there. Try to do all I could. Come on, Pope, man. Damn. Just do right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, matter of fact, wait, who was the replacement?

[Chad Johnson]

Pope come to practice and wouldn't even have his shoes tied, and they couldn't tackle him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, matter of fact, you know what?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

If.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If coach made that decision to let Portis go, that mean there had to be somebody behind him that they trusted or that maybe not as. Maybe not as good, but can. But we can. We can do just by.

[Chad Johnson]

They. Who's that? I think it was maybe. Maybe Reuben Drones. I think it was Ruben.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I remember Ruben. I remember. Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he ended up rushing for 1200.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what's. The running back. Did you play with the running back? You didn't play with Travis Henry Played in Denver, too, didn't he?

[Chad Johnson]

No, I was gone. Yeah, Trav was gone. I was going when Trav got there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wonder. I wonder. I don't know why. I'm thinking. I'm thinking about running backs. I would have had Travis Henry doing.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, he. He would. He did some time. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, not talking about the running back. Play for the Bill.

[Chad Johnson]

Travis Henry, he did some time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I ain't know that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Ojo. One day after being claimed by the Buffalo Bill on waivers from the Steelers, cornerback Darius Slay has informed the Bills he will not be reporting to the team. Slay had been a healthy Strat scratch in week 13 and seemingly fallen out of favor in Pittsburgh so the two sides are mutually agreed to part ways. Adam Schefter reported that Slay wants to continue to play. Since Slay was released between the trade deadline at the end of the season, NFL rules require him clear waivers before he could become a free agent. That did not happen as the Buffalo Bill put in a claim on a 34 year old. Slade does not want to play in Buffalo. However, Tom Pelissero reported that Slay has informed the Bills he will not report to the team and is contemplating retirement. The Bills are likely to let Slay manipulate his way out of the situation. When Anquan Bowden signed with the team before the 2017 season when the playoff drought was broken. He then retired after two weeks before the season began. He later asked the Bills to release him so he could play elsewhere, being refused to grant Bowden's request and retained his rights. Ocho.

Well, players don't want to go to the field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's wrong with Buffalo?

[Chad Johnson]

They got Josh Allen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nothing wrong with John. Ain't nothing wrong with Josh Allen. Going to a team like that. You have a quarterback, but there's a chance you're going to be in contention. Defense is decent. You know, I would love to go play with Superman if I was the defensive back, but I think Slay might be chilling. Slay might want to make a move and go back to Philly. He might want to be able to, you know, have a chance to go back to Philly and help him out in some way, shape, form or fashion. That might be it. Or maybe, you know, I just don't see in understanding how much Slay loves the game. That has to be his move. I think it's a chess move. Obviously we both have the same agent. I don't play anymore, but still we, we both have the same agent in Drew Rosa House. And I know Drew is going to give him the right information that he needs if that's what he's trying to do. And Drew will do his due diligence behind, you know, behind the scenes, behind closed doors so Slay can get exactly what he wants. And I, I personally think if it was going to be a move, I think he would have, he would love to go back to Philly as opposed to Buffalo.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they know that. That's why they're not going to release it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think they play, they play hardball.

[Chad Johnson]

So yeah, for sure.

For sure. That's why they claim it. A lot of times people would claim players, they get released, they would claim players. So I want to make sure you don't go to a competitor, somebody that we might have to play. What if we release. What if we let him go, then he goes to Philly. We end up seeing Philly in the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Super bowl and we. And now we got to deal with Slay.

[Chad Johnson]

Now we got to deal with. So no, I, I don't. No, I don't. Because all, all they're going to be on the hook for is the last, what, whatever prorated of a $1.3 million left. Because I think he signed an eight, nine million dollar deal. He got seven and a half of it up front. So the rest of him. So it's really nothing. So. Yeah, I agree with you. I think that's what he wants. He wants to go back to Philly. I don't think he ever wanted to leave Philly. No. But you know, they, you know, they were younger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Mitchell, you heard me, they went young. They were young.

[Chad Johnson]

They did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of course, it's the nature of the business. I think Slay is still a very, very good quality corner. Very good quality corner. And having that veteran presence in that locker room, honestly, for me, I wouldn't want him to leave either. I wouldn't want him to leave. But defense has been playing well.

[Chad Johnson]

Hopefully you can only play so many people. You got a quarterback on the big, big contract. You got two. Both the receivers making big time money. Look at your offensive line. How much? Look at how much. Lane Johnson, my lotta Dickerson. Look how much money he has a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Team friendly contract, though.

[Chad Johnson]

He didn't at first. Yeah, they released it. That's why they released it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And so now we got guys coming and they had to resign bond.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they did.

[Chad Johnson]

You got Jalen Carter coming up. You got Mitchell coming up. You got Jordan Davis coming up. You know, I'm saying you got Mitchell, you got the junk, you got Ocho. You can't keep everybody as good as you draft. You're not. I don't care how much money you got and how much you want to keep everybody. You're not going to be able to keep them. You're not going to be able to afford them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's my dog. Hey, wait a minute. Well, maybe Slay might come back next week. He might come back next week because the Bills do have to play the Bengals.

You know.

I wouldn't want to come back a new team and have to deal with Chase and Higgins.

No, you don't think so?

[Chad Johnson]

It's really cold up there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's football weather, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Not for your significant Other having to sit outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got sweets.

Man, please. You don't like the sweets in Buffalo? The sweets in Buffalo? Nice.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, that man ain't trying to pay money like that, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't think so?

[Chad Johnson]

You know how much sweets cost?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not that much.

Number 10,000.

[Chad Johnson]

Clearly you didn't have sweet. No, you didn't. Not for no 10,000.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. How much?

[Chad Johnson]

Not even. Not even. Not even in Cincinnati can you get a suite for 10,000? I probably say the cheapest suite would probably be.

A couple hundred thousand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't no sweet cost a hundred thousand dollars. Now, come on, now, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

The sweets, the closer you get to midfield, they cost a million dollars. What the hell you talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What kind of sweet y'?

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, man? What did you talk.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, you do realize most sweets, they come 12, 16, 18, 24, 30. That's what sweets come in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know. You know what's funny, Unc? You know what's funny is I actually had a suite, and I don't remember how much it cost, but I, I. I guarantee you, because as. As. As fiscally responsible as I was, if it was anything like the numbers you said, I would have told my. My homeboys and family. Well, y' all gotta sit y' all ass in the stands when they get to November.

[Chad Johnson]

How many? How many? How many? First of all, how many, how many? How many people fit in the suite?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, let me see. It's two rows at the front. You got all the food, then you got the bar. You got the bar stool.

[Chad Johnson]

You have to pay for the food. The food don't come with the suite. You have to pay for the food.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, you know, everything. Everything comes. I mean, it's part of the package.

[Chad Johnson]

No, it's not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, it is.

[Chad Johnson]

You have to pay into. You have. You get the sweet, and then you have to pay extra for the food.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I got. I got a discount on. I think that's what it was. I got a discount. You gotta understand.

[Chad Johnson]

What's the average price?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me tell you something. Listen, I'm. I'm.

[Chad Johnson]

You can't get it for per game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Yeah. You got to get it for the season. All eight games. You got to get it for all eight games.

[Chad Johnson]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to understand, for me, they might have gave me a discount because I wasn't just a player. You hear me? I wasn't just a player for the Bengals. I was a part of the Brown family. You hear me? I was it like, I was. I was so integrated in a part of the family. I'm not saying I was adopted, but that was the point where I'm gonna change my name to Chad Brown Johnson. Like, that's. That. That's the. That's the kind of relationship I had with owners. I can't. I can't wait to hear these numbers.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, closer to center field, because I remember me and Ray had one. This was in 2000, and we were next next to the owner's box, and we played a quarter of a million.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A quarter of a million.

[Chad Johnson]

And the food did not come free.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hell. Hey, hey. I like this. Oh, y' all gotta like this. I like this topic right here, boy. Hold on. I can like this topic. It's a good topic.

Oh, this is a good topic.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, we're gonna have to. We're gonna have to put a call in to see how much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm calling. I'm calling right now. Hold on.

Come on, answer the phone. Don't do me. Don't embarrass me in front of people. Come company.

Oh, he embarrassed me in front of company. God damn, tj.

[Chad Johnson]

Cause.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, he answered the phone. Now you got me curious. A quarter of a million for a suite?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Cause we. We like, obviously the owners on the 50 yard. You know, the owners on the 50 yard line. So we got. We had the suite right next to it. So.

Probably Ocho, in between the twenties is where you're gonna pay the most. Obviously, you start getting the corner and then the end zone. Because you see what they call said the. At the Super Bowl. Them sweets at the Super bowl be two, $3 million.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's crazy. And y'.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And honestly, at the Super. Those aren't the actual fans.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's basically a corporate event. That's all it is.

[Chad Johnson]

And the thing is, Ocho, you have to give your suite up. If the super bowl is in your state. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you got a suite in Cincinnati, and the super bowl in Cincinnati. That's not your suite. That belongs to the NFL.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. They got to. They got to make their money, huh? Yeah, they got to make their money. They not playing about that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I left. Hold on. Wait a minute.

I mean, I.

I'm just like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm like, God damn. A quarter of a million. What? Oh, hell.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, it's expensive, man. But look, most of the time, you know who had the sweets? The quarterbacks. The really high dollars. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The big boy. The big boy.

[Chad Johnson]

And, you know, you don't want you, you know, you don't want your wives, you know. Cause when I was there, the only guy that had a suite was John. When I was in Denver, the only guy that had a suite was John.

I mean, everybody had to sit outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To have family members.

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Because it wasn't nobody. But bro, he was the only one making big money like that. Man, you can't afford no paid no hundred thousand dollars. You got to realize hundred thousand dollars in the 90s. But Ocho was a lot of damn money. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of money now. But I'm saying, I'm saying when you have people not making a hundred thousand. When I First, my first two years, I didn't make 100,000 a year. I made 63 and 73.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

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What a matchup we got, y'. All. This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beatin everybody showing that school pride. A game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, crisp and refreshing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a game changer right there.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that taste always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And just like that, we're back at it.

[Chad Johnson]

Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and an.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ice cold Coca Cola.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a winning combo. No matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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