Best of NFL News Part 2: ABOUT TIME Josh Allen admits being the reason Sean McDermott was FIRED, Bo Nix CLAPS BACK at Sean Payton for using him as a SCAPEGOAT

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 2: QB Accountability & Hall of Fame Controversies

Date: January 31, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe with Ocho and Joe
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the week's biggest NFL news and controversies, with a focus on leadership accountability, coaching changes, and the politics involved in NFL Hall of Fame selections. The hosts break down quarterback–coach dynamics, dissect the fallout from Sean Payton’s handling of Bo Nix and Joe Lombardi, analyze franchise decisions in Buffalo and Cleveland, and passionately debate Bill Belichick’s Hall of Fame snub. Woven through are personal stories, hilarious sidebars, and a candid look at how old-school sports culture collides with the modern NFL.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sean Payton vs. Bo Nix: Misdirection and Accountability

• Sean Payton’s Disclosure of Bo Nix’s Injury History
  • Payton, historically private about player injuries, suddenly aired details about Bo Nix’s medical past after a pivotal loss.
  • Ocho: “You sharing a little too much information, like what you doing. … That old school way Sean Payton has is not gonna work. … You not finna be able to do that.” [03:00–03:28]
  • The crew suggests Payton’s comments are deflecting from his own failed 4th down call; classic “scapegoat” behavior in head coaches.
  • Joe: “It’s easier to blame someone than to accept accountability, especially in a situation like this.” [06:16]
• The Culture Shift in Coaching
  • Old-school tactics and abrasive communication no longer fly in today's player-empowered NFL.
  • Ocho: “Players are different now… you have to conduct yourself a certain way.” [03:00]

🚩 Notable Quote:

“If I mess up… what I do to make y’all forget about that [is]… let me fire the offensive coordinator. Let me talk about Bo Nix was predisposed. … But that doesn’t excuse that call you made.”
— Joe [07:57–09:05]

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2. Firing Scapegoats: Offensive Coordinator Joe Lombardi

• Fallout After Playoff Exit
  • Despite not being the play-caller, offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi gets fired after Sean Payton’s 4th-down blunder.
  • Joe: “You made the call. … How did coordinator lose his job when you calling the plays?” [23:21–25:58]
  • The group discusses whether the firing is legitimate or simply a smokescreen for the real mistake.
  • Ocho: “It might be something else we don’t know about…maybe a disagreement.” [25:58–26:09]

🕒 Timestamps:

• Bo Nix/Payton drama and injury disclosure: [02:00–10:00]
• OC Joe Lombardi as scapegoat: [23:21–26:09]

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3. Buffalo Bills’ Head Coach Shuffle

• Sean McDermott Out, Joe Brady In
  • Internal promotions cause confusion; why fire McDermott if you don’t “clean house”?
  • Ocho: “If you fire McDermott, why the hell everybody else ain't fired?” [28:24–28:44]
  • Debate over whether Joe Brady will make an impact, given his proximity to the previous regime.
• Josh Allen’s Accountability
  • Josh Allen’s turnovers blamed as a major factor in playoff disappointment.
  • Joe: “This was on Josh’s watch. … It’s tough, you know Sean McDermott… they probably told him, you’re gonna need to get to the Super Bowl in order to stay.” [30:47–31:47]

Memorable Segment:

Ocho and Joe riff on inconsistent standards:

“It’s tough to win on the road with five turnovers and four of them is at the hands of your quarterback.… This was on Josh’s watch.”
— Joe [30:46]

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4. Cleveland Browns: New Head Coach, New Quarterback Quandary

• Todd Monken Hired, Staff Drama
  • Monken’s style previously clashed with Lamar Jackson; can he handle a QB room with Deshaun Watson, Shadour Sanders, and others?
  • Ocho: “No matter who coaches Lamar, he’s going to be who Lamar is. … There is no Lamar Jackson in Cleveland!” [36:10–37:20]
• Miles Garrett Jersey Drama (Comic Relief)
  • Ocho, half-joking, publicly challenges Garrett for not giving him his game jersey, threatening to “molly-wap” him.
  • Ocho: “He think he had 23 sacks, gonna be 24 when I get done with him.” [38:54–39:04]

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5. The Realities of Coaching Star Quarterbacks

• Being a Player’s Coach vs. Running a Tight Ship
  • Joe and Ocho discuss how even the greats like Tom Brady and Bill O’Brien would verbally clash, but it set the team standard.
  • Ocho shares inside stories about Patriots practices:

    “One of the greatest times of my life being a New England Patriot… Bill O’Brien and Tom Brady going at it… If it’s not perfect, you’re doing it over. You’re not doing the play over, you starting the whole period over and doing it again.” [40:12–41:34]

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6. NFL Hall of Fame: Politics, Pride, and Scandals

• Bill Belichick’s First-Ballot Snub
  • Discussion on the “get back” from the media and selectors due to Belichick’s notoriously curt handling of press and past controversies (Spygate, Deflategate).
  • Ocho: "It's effing ridiculous… There's politics. As prestigious as it is to get into the Hall, this kind of lessens the value." [47:41]
• Comparisons to Terrell Owens (TO)
  • Detailed breakdown of TO’s exclusion; how off-field narratives and egos trumped on-field greatness.
  • Joe: "They changed the bylaws… because they had nothing on him off the field. … What they did to Coach Belichick is egregious... but so should have TO." [49:37]
• Fruit of the Poisonous Tree Argument
  • Joe draws parallel between Belichick/Brady, asking, “If Spygate kept Belichick out, will it keep Tom Brady out?” (strongly suggested: No.)
  • Joe: "If you said Coach Belichick got these Super Bowls and these victories through ill-gotten means, who benefited from those ill-gotten means? ... Are you gonna keep Tom Brady out? You're not. So why would you keep Coach Belichick out?" [53:05]

🕒 Timestamps:

• Hall of Fame controversy and politics: [46:42–57:50]

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7. The Limits (and Power) of Validation

• Why Some Players Don't Need the Gold Jacket
  • Ocho shares why he created his own 14-karat gold bust, expressing pride in his career without needing "validation" from the Hall.
  • Ocho: “If I can’t be authentic to myself and still be accepted… I don’t really care. ... That jacket was to let you know I don’t need your validation.” [52:08–52:59, 76:16–76:27]
  • The group urges players to value their careers regardless of gatekeepers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sean Payton’s Deflection:

  "That's the art of misdirection. I effed up right. Let me see how much commotion I can cause."
  — Joe [19:09]

• On the Hall of Fame’s Inconsistency:

  “What they did to Coach Belichick is egregious and he should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer, but so should have TO.”
  — Joe [49:37]

• On Politics and Petty Power:

  “That’s what I try to tell players… you can’t give somebody your ass to kiss and then expect them to do you a solid, even though that’s what their job requires.”
  — Joe [56:31]

• On Being True to Yourself:

  “I never needed validation… If I can’t be authentic to myself and still be accepted, I don’t really care.”
  — Ocho [52:08]

• On Creating Your Own Legacy:

  “You know how you take your power back? … You create your own jacket. What y’all talking about?”
  — Ocho [75:26]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start Time | End Time | |----------------------------------|------------|-----------| | Sean Payton & Bo Nix drama | 02:00 | 10:00 | | OC Joe Lombardi scapegoat talk | 23:21 | 26:09 | | Bills coaching carousel | 28:24 | 31:47 | | Coaching superstar QBs | 39:04 | 43:32 | | Hall of Fame politics | 46:42 | 57:50 | | Owning your own football legacy | 76:16 | 77:22 |

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Episode Tone & Style

• Candid, Barbershop Energy: The dynamic is loose, honest, and at times hilarious, with hosts cutting up and sharing personal stories.
• Player Perspective: Conversations draw on real locker room and sideline experience, offering an unfiltered inside view.
• Unapologetically Critical: The panel is unafraid to call out NFL “old school” hypocrisy, Hall of Fame politics, or media pettiness.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a rich, unvarnished look at NFL culture — from coach-QB drama and media scapegoating to the ongoing Hall of Fame validation debate. With plenty of entertaining stories and sharp analysis, Shannon Sharpe and crew remind listeners that true greatness is sometimes more about legacy than labels, and that accountability, for coaches and voters alike, remains a work in progress in the NFL.

Transcript

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[Joe]

An interesting exchange of words happened this week between Sean Payton and his franchise quarterback Bo Nicks. Guys, let's take a listen to the exchange between Sean and Bo.

[Ocho]

A condition that was like predisposed right at that where when the they always.

[Joe]

Find a little bit more when they go in and it wasn't a matter of if, it was a matter of when.

[Ocho]

Didn't have any predisposed issues. Man, my ankles were feeling really good.

[Joe]

He said he had one in high school and then he said he had one at Auburn.

[Ocho]

I don't think he really should share how many surgeries I've had in the past to be honest with you, but because I don't. You know, he doesn't really even know that.

[Joe]

Well, damn.

[Ocho]

Damn. Hey, hey, listen, if I'm not mistaken, the head coach and the quarterback supposed to be on the same page at all.

[Joe]

They're supposed to be joining the Hill.

[Ocho]

Those. Hey Joe. Them. The two people that's supposed to be aligned and everything on and off the field.

[Joe's Nephew]

Right?

[Ocho]

And Bowden already showed, huh? He not the one. You ain't finna be just talking to me any old kind of way. We've seen that with him. That was his first year, huh? Yeah, when he was rookie. Hey, Joe, he had. He had to buck up at Sean.

[Joe]

Talk about, man, no, I'm not one of them crazy.

[Ocho]

I'm not one of them. And so this is another example of, boy, you sharing a little too much information like what you doing. Hey, hey, Unc. The player is different now, man. The players are different. You have to conduct yourselves and, and carry yourself a certain way. That old school way Sean Payton has is not gonna work. No. He's been able to bully other players. You know his approach and how he treated Russell Wilson on the sideline. You not finna be able to do that. Come on now. Yeah.

[Joe]

Both showing you he's treated a lot of players like. This is who he is. This is par sales. He learned under par sales. This is how par. You remember par sales when he said that about Terry Glenn? He wouldn't even speak to. To because he didn't want to, but Jerry Jones did. He wouldn't speak to him.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And he called. He called. He called Terry Glenn a derogatory term. Even his wife said that's unnecessary. He called him.

[Ocho]

She back down?

[Joe]

Oh, she got a groin injury or something. She. She got something going on.

[Ocho]

Oh, because he was hurt.

[Joe]

So that. That. That's who this is. This is who Sean Payton is. Me, I probably would have had a problem with that coaching style because you can't talk to me any kind of way. I won't let you talk to me any worse than what my grandmother talked to me. So hold on.

[Joe's Nephew]

Y' all think he do that with all his.

[Joe]

It doesn't matter. It does not matter if you're the superstar or the lowest tier. Absolutely. That's. This is who he is. Cause that's how Parcels was old school.

[Joe's Nephew]

That's that.

[Joe]

Old school. Old school. Yeah, but I mean, all this distraction and look, he fired. He fired Joe Lombardi, who was the offensive coordinator. And they look at a day, they see this. Davis was it Davis Mills. What's the. What's the quarterback's coach? Davis Mills. But now you see. Well, he's looking for an offensive coordinator. Well, if you wanted. If you wanted to, because I believe you could have demoted here.

[Local Man/Guide]

You.

[Joe]

The way you handle it, Ojo, Joe, you demote if you want. If you want Davis Mills to ascend, you just demote. And then Joe Lombardi is like, hey, either I can. I can step. Take a step back, or. Or I can. Or I'll just move on that way. It's his choice. But when you fire the man because of a call that you made, even if there is a case that you want Davis Mills and you Davy's Web, even if you want to keep Davis Web, it just looks suspicious that you fired a guy that didn't call any play. And he damn sure didn't call that fourth down play. But now the reports are that he's looking for another offensive coordinator. You had one. You call that, Sean. You just got to own that one. And sometimes, don't you? And I know it's hard. It's hard. Sometimes it's hard, Joe, to admit when you're wrong, when you made the mistake. It's hard to admit that it's easy to place the blame or something. Man, who left this damn refrigerator open? You know damn well you left that refrigerator open. But it's easy to try to put that on somebody. Man, who left this? My grandpa. Who left these lights on? You the last one in there? Everybody. Everybody in the room. What you mean, who left the light on? You did. But it's easier to blame someone than to accept accountability, especially in a situation like this, Ocho. Because this was an opportunity to get to the super bowl, but there's not enough people in close proximity that you can put that blame on. The defense gave up less than 200 yards. Yeah. Joe Lombardi does not call plays.

[Ocho]

So.

[Joe]

Who did decide to forego points and go for it on 4th and 1 and run a very similar play that you ran? You scored on the first touchdown, knowing that the likelihood of them giving up a similar play is not very likely. Give them credit defensively, but because they blitzed there, like, if you run the ball, we're gonna stuff. You run. And guess what? We got you outflanked to the short side of the field, too. So you're dead. You're deadly, right? You're done. You're done.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. You would have to hope for. Hey, Joe. It would have had to been a busted coverage. Somebody had a slip and ball but running. Running that boot to the short side of the field.

[Joe]

Nate Jackson, who I. I remember Nasty Nate. A player injury history, medical details, or confidential information. Sean Payton refused to discuss any player injuries all year. Then when b Knicks get hurt, all of a sudden he's singing like a canary. Weird, to say the least. It is, yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, I think he's doing it basically to take away from that F up that he had. Yeah. Yeah. So now the conversation that's being had is the exchange between. Between him and Bo. Instead of that goddamn ass for down.

[Joe]

Call that bone, that bonehead play, he went for her. Yo, but that's. But. But that's what I do. If I mess up, let me say. Cause what you did as a child, Ocho, when people get on me, they talk about my clothes or they talk about the way I talk. I start talking about somebody else, they start laughing at them. They forget that somebody had got on me first. So what I do to make y' all stop, forget about that. As Ocho said, that effed up call, man. Let me fire the offensive coordinator. Let me talk about. Bo Nix was predisposed. Okay. Just because you're predisposed to something. I have a cancer runs in my family. So does diabetes, high blood pressure. Now, I've had prostate cancer, but that doesn't mean I don't have high blood pressure. I don't have diabetes. So just because you're predisposed, that doesn't mean you'll get it. That means you're more susceptible. There's a greater possibility. But. But why are you giving out this man details about his medical history? He said okay. If he said it, they should have it on record. You don't need to regurgitate it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, no need to tell us.

[Joe]

And besides, that still does not excuse. I don't care if he had both legs in a cast. They ain't got nothing to do with that call you made. Let's talk about that call. I felt if we went up by 14, 10 would have felt like 14, considering how poorly and inefficient they were. Ineffective they were at moving the football. Yeah, right.

[Ocho]

Bad weather.

[Joe]

I'm. Like I said, like. I. I think Sean's a phenomenal coach. I just think some of the things. Is that the old school and the way you talk to player and. Look, Ocho, you know, I'm as old school as you come, but I do realize that you got to talk to people a certain way now. The way the way you and I was raised, we could never raise our kids like that. We going to jail. Oh, no, we going to jail, Joe. It's really that simple.

[Ocho]

Like that?

[Joe]

Yeah, well, my grandfather, grandma, mama just pick up something and bust hell out you broomstick, shoe hitching, it don't matter. Switches, stitching cords, train tracks, you going to jail.

[Ocho]

I used to take that. Yeah, Grandma used to tell you, go get me a switch from the tree. You know, I'm. Hey, I'm gonna get the. The flimsiest switch I can find.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Just to kill time. Because I know she gonna send me back out to get the right thing.

[Joe]

There you go. But you got to be careful, Ocho, because some of them flimsy ones, that thing don't break. They just. Hey, yeah, man. Hey, I'm trying to find me something that's brittle. Oh, this thing look real good. Hit me one or two times and it's all over the floor. You gotta. You gotta be careful when you bring back in the house. But hey, the trick to it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, they be knowing you gotta stay close. Hey, the trick, you gotta stay close.

[Joe's Nephew]

To her when she try.

[Joe]

So she get some of that. But here's the thing, she get mad. Cause you know, you don't made a.

[Ocho]

Hit of damage just like you.

[Joe]

Hey, somebody make you bite your tongue and somebody make you stub your toe. If my grandma start being a botrinic start gritting them teeth, I'mma tear your ass up.

[Ocho]

Hey, I never forget them days. It's. It's so funny, you know, I'm not sure how y' all got beaten, but my grandma used to beat me. She used to talk. Yeah, she would talk with every. With every lick. I told you not to be acting up in them people school embarrassing me like that. Oh my goodness. So mind you, I got the whole beating. Was a whole conversation.

[Joe]

Oh, my grandma told me I should have told your ass up last week when you acted up. And then Joe, you know what you know used to make me mad. You have relatives come over. You know, I had to tear that boy ass up. Ain't nobody ask you that. Gr why you got to mention that? Yeah, I sure to that ass. And I shut down on him.

[Ocho]

Hey, I never forget. Hey, hey, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Grandma favorite line. I'm sending you to school. And I'm telling you right now, if I get a call, wherever you show out, that's where you're gonna get woe out. And lo and behold, boy, if I'm acting a fool in class. And that teacher called, I remember I got embarrassed in front of the Class one time. Boy, as a freshman at Beach High. I never forget. And she came in that class. Obviously I'm a little older now. Man, she walked in that door. Hey. Setting the chair right behind me. Man, I was so embarrassed. So I'm so embarrassed.

[Joe]

I was worried about it calling the house. That phone was disconnected. Calling. You want to. You get it? Oh, you get to the busy tone. Go ahead, call. Go ahead.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

They ain't got nothing to do with me. But oh, my old big mouth sister.

[Joe's Nephew]

Oh yeah.

[Joe]

She snitched on you Granny. You know that boy don't listen to nobody. Hey, shut up that. Cause that's. Cause that's.

[Joe's Nephew]

The uncle said he used to snitch over here. Yeah, yeah, they snitched on it.

[Joe]

I would. But the best thing about it, because you gotta realize like when I was in. My sister's eight years older than me. So that was in kindergarten. My sister was like a what? Freshman. Freshman in high school then I had two aunts, so I went 73. I think Gladys graduated in, might have. 73. So Gladys might have been a senior. My aunt Gladys was a senior. Jane, Sherman, Libby. So all them. So you know. But it's funny. The white. The black people sat at the front of the bus. The white people sat at the back of the bus. When you was in school? When I was in school. The whites, we sat in the front. The black people sat at the front. The whites sat at the back. So my two aunts would sit together. Libby in one of my. And Spanky and Buck, my sister would sit together. I have a seat by myself stretched out. Oh, you know what I know.

[Ocho]

Joyce? Yeah.

[Joe]

Can I sit with you? No. And what? Have me a big old seat by myself.

[Ocho]

Some good. It never be. It never.

[Joe]

It never. It would. It would never be. You don't know. If you knew what you. If you knew what you know now, then you would have done things differently. You would have behaved differently. But I'm not so sure. Oo if we had behaved differently, we wouldn't be who we are today. It take all that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause I already know. I was. I was good in school, but I was. I was sneaky. I would, you know, I would do stuff. And when my. With Libby or Spain get the best of me, I'm taking off. I'm Holland. I'm telling. Yeah. Hey, hey. My granddad be like, hey, who made that boy cry?

[Ocho]

A d. A deep voice and all.

[Joe]

That's how you talk. Hey, leave that boy alone. So you know, ain't nothing wrong with Me. But since he say, leave that boy alone. Who made that boy cry? Now I got to cry. Oh, oh, I'm about to run. That's how. That's how Spain got so fast. Cause he had to catch me before I tell Papa.

[Ocho]

Pay me. You gotta pay me something.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Uncle.

[Joe's Nephew]

Oo. My girl probably used to talk to.

[Joe]

Us through the screen, though.

[Joe's Nephew]

He wouldn't even let us in the house. He like, what you want, man? We come down here to chill. Now, I know y' all come down here, try to pimp me and your grandma.

[Joe]

Get a voice around. That was. That was. That was a. And live. I tell. I tell. I. I couldn't help it. I don't know why I was like that, though. We weren't raised like that. Spanky would never tell. Would never tell. The youngest, Marinell would never tell on Gladys. Gladys would never tell on Marinell. Sherman, Dean, and Jane never told on each other. But me.

[Ocho]

Is he. I know. Hey, I know. Hey. Hey, Joe, we talked about, you know, that hypothetical situation with. With the rip if we had 24 million to split.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I don't know. We might not be able to do it.

[Joe]

That was long. Times was tight.

[Ocho]

Nah. Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, it's. If it was in you back then, it's still in your knife. Joe, what you.

[Joe's Nephew]

What you trying to say?

[Ocho]

We might have to take on God, man.

[Joe]

Ah, yeah. You already know. Cause this man ain't trying to now. They already know. We go, hey, what y' all find in the house? Nothing. Well, damn, y' all was gone an awful long time. Yeah, but we had to make sure we, you know, make sure we went through the house thoroughly instead of leaving, like, calling somebody. We done stashed a couple of. We done stashed a couple of bricks. He want to take all the money.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they. They don't know. They sent us on the case. Right. So listen, we went on the case. We thoroughly checked the house, upstairs, downstairs, did everything we needed to do. Went behind the walls. We under the beds. Matter of fact, we checked the doghouse. We digged up the doghouse to make sure there was nothing up under the doghouse. And we didn't be. We didn't find anything. We did paperwork. Matter of fact, we called. We called in backup after we stashed everything we needed to stash. We ain't find nothing.

[Joe's Nephew]

I think that's the conflict that me and Ocho gonna have. I'm willing to give something.

[Joe]

Thank you, Joe.

[Joe's Nephew]

Ocho, they gonna give us probably a.

[Joe]

Little bit of Whatever. They're not gonna give us anything. Joe.

[Ocho]

Man, you know good and well. You know. You know good and well.

[Joe]

Man, you look.

[Joe's Nephew]

Don't we. We all got five.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Let them have the other five. That level eight. So guess what? Oo. We gonna get some new vests. We gonna get some new body cams. We get some new cars, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, I don't like. Damn, my camera went. I mean, my light went out. Hey, you know what? I don't like that. I'm gonna have to take both of y' all out.

[Joe]

See what I'm saying?

[Joe's Nephew]

Greed.

[Joe]

Greed. He greedy greed. You can ate the.

[Ocho]

Listen, hey, God. God. God put that there for a reason. God put it there for a reason. Y' all talking about giving it back. Listen, stuff don't happen by accident. Blessings in that kind of magnitude. That ain't no actual.

[Joe]

I ain't say we give it all to him. I'm saying we give some of it to him. It.

[Ocho]

If he wanted him, if he wanted them to have it, he would have put it in.

[Joe]

How about this here? We consider that our tithes.

[Ocho]

Okay. Well, we give it to the church.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. That's, that's, that's the tie. That's, that's what we left for them. I'mma break the church off too, but I got, you got to get break the church off in increments, you know, you can't, you can't just go dump a 100,000. The church, they gonna be looking at. They gonna be looking at you sideways. Not. Joe. You done told them. Exactly.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, brother Sharp dropped off the bag. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm help with the building fun. You know, they always want to get them windows fixed.

[Joe]

Man, that, that build. That building ain't never been. That building got no roof. Ain't got no windows to it. Ain't got nothing. So I already know the building for. I already know that building ain't gonna get completed. So I would start with a piano. I'm gonna buy some new pews, new pool pit. I would do all that. The building for it is a lost cause. That's the bridge to nowhere. But no, I, I, I just think Sean. I think we're all in agreements here that Sean is trying to do the art of misdirection. I effed up right. Let me see how much commotion I can cause. Yeah, it's gonna be a long until they get back into a similar situation in advance. There's not gonna be. You're not going to be. No, not, not, not. An egregious like an egregious era like this. And when you have a backup quarterback, I don't know if he'd have been if they would have killed him as much if he'd had Bo Nicks, but you know, you got a backup, you know the weather is going to get worse because that's what the forecast had predicted and then you still roll the dice by going for it and you.

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[Joe]

Ocho Yo. Sean Payton announced that the team has parted ways with offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi, wide receivers Carrie Colbert and cornerbacks coach Addison lynch. Lombardi spent 12 years over two different stints on Peyton's staff with the Saints and has been the Broncos offensive coordinator since Patrick Payton was hired in 2023. However, Peyton is the offensive play caller. Sean, don't do this, man. Look, I love Sean. Sean Payton is great. Why you fire that man? You made the call. You went four on fourth down. Joe Lombardi. So what? Joe, as far as say coach, you a effing idiot if you do this right? I don't get. I don't. I can see if Joe Lombardi called the plays. But first of all, every co. Every play caller. That's not the head coach. The head coach is listening in. Nah, let's run it. In this situation, he could have easily said that.

[Ocho]

I got a question. Who fired him?

[Joe]

Sean Payton.

[Ocho]

Fired him?

[Joe]

Fired him. Sean Payton has a lot of control.

[Ocho]

A lot, right? Damn. I wonder what.

[Joe]

Cause he getting a lot of heat for that boat. He's getting a lot of heat for that call the weather, huh?

[Ocho]

The same Carrie Colbert that played receiver?

[Joe]

I guess. I don't know no Carrie Colbert.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he played during. He played during my. Wrong. Yeah, remember Carrie Colbert? I think he with the usc. I could be wrong.

[Joe]

I think.

[Ocho]

I think he went to USC chat. Kerry Colbert went to usc, didn't he?

[Joe]

I just don't understand how Sean could could fire this man and Ain't nobody gonna be sitting back there thinking like, sean, what you doing, bro? You call that play? That's on you. You knew the weather. There's no way nobody can convince me that Sean Payton didn't know that weather was gonna get vastly different in the second half than it was in the first and 10 points. Now, obviously you don't expect your quarterback to turn it over to negative field position, but still, Sean Payton has consistently said he would not surrender play calling duties as Broncos OC Lombardi was in the coach's booth and among those on the headset during the game. But Peyton was the voice in the quarterback's helmet. So how did coordinator lose his job? When you calling the plays.

[Ocho]

It might be something else we don't know about, huh? They might have had some disagreements. They might have had some.

[Joe]

I told you you were effing idiot for calling going 404th down. That's why he fired me, because I was the voice of reason.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but you, hey, that might, there might be some stuff internally that we don't know about on, you know, maybe a disagreement probably on exactly what you, exactly what you just said. Hey, who knows? I mean, if you know the right people, you'll probably find out though. You'll probably find out the real reason why he was fired.

[Joe]

I don't think Sean Payton must have not thought that he was gonna get this kind of criticism, bro. That is a backup on his third team and you have an opportunity to go up 10 nothing.

[Ocho]

Kick that ball.

[Joe]

Sean has started to get high on his own supply. He had started to drink the Kool Aid that he really thought that Jerry Skham was like that.

[Ocho]

He did.

[Joe]

I'm not so sure he would have paid Manning. I, I don't think Bill Belichick in that situation, I think Bill Belichick kick it because Bill understands situational football. He understands he done got the weather report. This thing gonna get bad in the second half.

[Ocho]

As much as I can while it's.

[Joe]

10 points, might be enough to win this game. And I'll be damned. 10 points was enough to win the game.

[Joe's Nephew]

I know it hurt, Uncle. I know. I, I, I, I hear it in your voice.

[Joe]

You know what, Joe? I if, and I told OO this, I said if both had lost, if we had lost with both.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it have been bad.

[Joe's Nephew]

You don't think y' all had a chance?

[Joe]

Yeah, we had a chance. Yeah, we had a chance. We kicked him, but he had, but he couldn't turn the ball over. Were you playing with a backup when you playing with your backup, your backup can't turn the ball over.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because he. He doesn't have the capabilities and the wherewithal to go get those points back. That's not Tom Brady. That's not Peyton Manning. That's not Mahomes. That's not one of those guys that can have a turnover and still have that kind of have the ability to make plays. That's not. He's not a playmaker. Not. The Bills promoted offensive coordinator Joe Brady as the next head coach earlier this week. The division, the decision to fire Sean McDermott and elevate Brady rather than clean house is now under heavy scrutiny. Ocho, are you confident that Joe Brady is the guy?

[Ocho]

I mean, what's the goddamn difference? He was already there. Hell, you might as well kept me. You might as well have kept Mr. McDermott. Joe, that don't make no sense to me. Yeah, if you're a head coach and someone that's under you, you know, I mean, if. If. If you find McDermott, why the hell everybody else ain't fired?

[Joe's Nephew]

They want a different voice in there.

[Ocho]

Oo, man, come on, now. Come on, now.

[Joe]

I don't understand how Brandon Bean kept his job. I don't know how he kept his job. Yeah, that's what I need, somebody to help me. Explain that to me, because it seemed like Sean McDermott called all the criticism. And I get it, you know, Mr. Pula, you know, he's supporting his GM because he gave him more title. But those polaris. I. I think, you know, he wanted to put. What's the. Keon Coleman. He put that in the lap of Sean McDermott. Yeah, I just.

[Ocho]

That's crazy. A new voice.

[Joe]

That's the same voice he heard. I look, I. I don't look, I. I think Joe Brady did a phenomenal job.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

I think the thing is. Oo is that Sean McDermott, you know, his defense, they've been one of the top offenses, but defensively, it's kind of where they falter.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And that. That's his level of expertise. Remember they fired Leslie Frazier?

[Ocho]

Yes. Yeah. Leslie Frazier was our D coordinator in Cincinnati, too, huh? Yeah. Leslie Free. Yeah, Frazier.

[Joe]

So what's the. What do you think? Super bowl or bus this year, Ocho, for the Bills, I mean.

[Ocho]

Well, hell, that was supposed to be this year, huh? This year. This was the easiest route for him. You ain't had to deal with three or three of the better players out of the afc, you know, so maybe, maybe next year. Maybe next year is a little different. Maybe he can, he can, he can run the gauntlet. He can beat Mahomes, he can beat Burrow, he can beat. We don't know what next year is going to look like, but hell, damn.

[Joe]

What the bills need receiver A1.

[Ocho]

They, they gotta.

[Joe]

I think the thing is, look, they turned too many turnovers. This was on Josh, this was on Josh because Josh was really good in the postseason. Joe. He hadn't had a turnover in six playoff games. He picked the worst time to have the most turnovers he's had in a very long time. It's hard to win on the road with five turnovers and forum is at the hands of your quarterback. Now, guys fumbling and stuff like that ain't really a whole lot you could do about that. But this, this was on Josh's watch. So it's, it's tough. And you know Sean McDermott. I know Sean McDermott was talking about, look this grandstanding. He knew he couldn't challenge that. He knew that call the call what it was and he knew the, you know, you got to survive the ground. But he knew I, they probably had, they, if they didn't flat out tell him they had probably alluded to you're going to need to get to the super bowl in order to stay in the job.

[Ocho]

You probably, you probably knew that.

[Joe]

Oh, I knew that because I talked about this. Ocho, you laughed at me because I told you in October he's like, you think Brother McDermott? I said, oh yeah, absolutely.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he did. You did say he was out of there if they didn't win.

[Joe]

What I tell you about, what I tell you about the Steelers and the Ravens, the coaching situation. Harbaugh.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, yeah. New voice. New voice you said Loud and clear.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe's Nephew]

Harbor been there for a minute 18.

[Joe]

He been there 18 years and Tomlin had been there 19.

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[Joe]

The Browns O Show have far have hired former Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monkin to be the next head coach. Monkin, who has spent the last three seasons in Baltimore will become the Cleveland's 11th full time coach since returning to the NFL in 1999. In Monkin's first season with the Ravens, he helped Lamar Jackson win his second MVP in 2023. Despite the great success in 23 and 24 with Monket as Ravens OC as Monkey AS. As Lamar OC Monkin had chemistry issues during the previous season. As reported by team sources, Monkin demanding coaching style clash with Lamar's preference. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

How do you see Todd Monkin handling the battle between Shador and desean if the D if he couldn't deal with Lamar?

[Ocho]

Well, listen, he's had some success with Lamar. It doesn't matter who coach Lamar. Lamar is going to be who Lamar is. Joe, you can go out there and coach Lamar. He going to be the exact player he's always, he's always been. He going to be that two time MVP type player that can change the dynamic of a game. At any point Todd Monk is gonna have to get in his bag over.

[Joe]

There in Cleveland, do more than that.

[Ocho]

He's going to have, he's gonna have to get in this bag as an officer coordinator and have a plan. I'm not sure what that plan is going to be. I'm not sure who you're going to go with, whether desean Watson, whether it's tail Dylan Gabriel or whether it's your Sanders. But he's going to have to find and find out very quick who going to be the goal, who's going to be quarterback number one in this team. And after that then you figure out what you're going to do in the other surrounding areas offensively where you need help and they're going to need a lot of help. I have no problem with the hire itself. He's had success obviously with Lamar, but there is no Lamar Jackson in Cleveland. No, there is no Lamar Jackson in Cleveland. Therefore everything Todd Monkin has to provide to help those quarterbacks. He gonna have to be in his bag, huh? He got to be in it.

[Joe]

Remember he won two national championships with Stetson Bennett as a quarterback at the University of Georgia.

[Ocho]

Hold on, wait a minute. Stetson Bennett as his quarterback on a Georgia team that was loaded on goddamn defense. Now he has, he's going back to a team where they're loaded on defense. Now the Achilles heel for the Cleveland Browns has always been on offense. If you can get that offense on point, just meet him, meet him halfway on just maybe somewhere. Joe, in the middle of the pack. You ain't got to be top five. You got to be top five. Just meet us and meet us half goddamn way, please.

[Joe's Nephew]

They got some promising young talent, though, Uncle Ocho.

[Ocho]

What's the Titan name?

[Joe's Nephew]

Fanny.

[Joe]

Oh, Fanny. Boy, that Hal Fanning Jr.

[Ocho]

Damn it. Hey, that young boy. Hey, that young boy there. What? Hey, Joe. He is the real deal.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yes, sir, he's the real.

[Ocho]

And speaking of. And speaking of. Cleveland Browns. Hey, hey. If I see Miles Garrett anywhere in Santa Clara. Yeah, he got to see me.

[Joe]

He gave your jersey away, Joe.

[Ocho]

He sent the jury to the hall of Fame instead of getting it to me, knowing I asked for it first.

[Joe's Nephew]

Man, we told you he was gonna do that.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I'm gonna molly wap him, Joe.

[Joe's Nephew]

Ocho, leave that alone.

[Joe]

Let that go.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no. You don't. You don't disrespect me like that. You told me you was gonna give me the jersey. So that means you're supposed to be a man of your word and give me the jersey. I don't care who asked for it. If I ask first and you say yes, now I gotta whoop your ass.

[Joe's Nephew]

Well, I don't think he gonna be ducking on smoke.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but he ain't got a duck. He ain't got a duck. He ain't got a duck. He gonna get what he looking for, okay. He think he had 23 sacks and gonna be 24 when I get done with him.

[Joe]

I think the thing is, for me, Ocho. Let me know what you think, Joe. I think it'll be easy. It's. It's hard to coach superstar quarterbacks. It's hard. It ain't easy. Ask anybody that's ever had to coach him. You think it's easy coaching Don Brady now? It makes your job easy, but they gonna need to know. They need to know what you tell them is on a legit. They got questions. They gonna need you to give them answers. Not while I get back to you. No, you better find. You better know the answer. It's not easy coaching these guys now, because these guys are brainy. I mean, you talk about Lamar. And Lamar, like Lamar, like. Hold on, who you. Who you yelling? Who you think you're talking to?

[Ocho]

And I'm so glad you just mentioned that, too. Well, how hard it is to coach quarterbacks. And I'm not sure if you've seen the clip, Joe. I'm sure you saw the clip, Uncle. I know you've seen it before, but goddamn, Bill O' Brien and Tom going at it on the sideline, and Brady going down the sideline. Chad, I don't know if you guys have seen that clip, you know? So if they went at it like that on the sideline, what you think happened in practice?

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, one of the greatest times of my life being a New England patriot, is goddamn Bill o' Brien and Tom Brady going at it in practice for about five minutes straight. I'm talking about. You think I'd be messing up cursing on here sometimes.

[Joe]

Oh, Tom.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe. I was sitting there smiling ear to ear.

[Joe]

I'm like, oh, boy, they really like Tom.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm talking about. I'm like, oh, this is how it is. No one of these dudes win all the goddamn time. Everything got to be right, Joe.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Everything has to be perfect. If it's not perfect, you're doing it over and you're not doing the playover. You starting the whole period over and doing it again. That's what was expected of everybody, especially offensively. So when things didn't go right, Tom got on Bill. When things didn't go right, Bill got on tomorrow. And they kept that standard no matter what. And it helped me understand. Well, God damn, no wonder they went all the goddamn time. And, dog, Unc, I wish you could have been there to see that. Unc. I ain't never in the history of all the times I played the game of football ever seen a quarterback and a coach go at it like that. But it was awesome. And from that point on, the rest of practice.

[Joe]

Oh, you got to have a standard.

[Ocho]

One mistake, not one drop ball, no, nothing. It just. Everything went smooth. We went out there. I forgot who we played that week. Man, we put up by damn near 40 points. Joe put a band of 40 points.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's a year we went to the Super Bowl, Joe. Yeah, we won the super bowl that year, man.

[Joe]

There has to be a level of expectation.

[Joe's Nephew]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

I lost two that year, the Giants, man.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Eli.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Eli caught up Mario Manningham on.

[Joe]

The sideline against cover, too.

[Ocho]

Yeah, on the side. Yeah.

[Joe]

He dropped it in the bucket, Ocho. He dropped it.

[Ocho]

That was a beautiful throw. That was a beautiful throw.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what. Look, you know, being around John and being around Mike, because Mike was like that for real. You might get away if you drop one, drop two. Started over. Lord, please do I. All I'm saying, I don't want to be the one.

[Joe's Nephew]

Right, right, right, man.

[Joe]

Boy, look here. Mike was hell, man. There's a. When I say, he said, don't accept anything in the win. You wouldn't have lost.

[Ocho]

Yeah. He meant that.

[Joe]

Yeah. He had to have. We had to get it. I mean, run, catch any path. I don't give a damn if it was a down flat. You finishing 40 yards. 40.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And come back and they got to run back.

[Joe]

Yeah. But then you like, okay, now understand why we do it. You get a greater appreciation for why you do things. And you see. Okay, so this is why the 49ers had success. Cause they were. They were like the patriots in the 80s.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

You're like, okay, now I see. Now I see.

[Ocho]

Who.

[Joe]

Brown's defensive coordinator, Jim Schwartz, might be out of the door after the team hired Monken as his head coach, according to Tom Pelissero. Pelicero reported, man, that Swartz, who's one of the three finalists, was visibly upset and said goodbyes in the building and told other coaches he's not coming back. Opposing teams are reportedly ready to pounce if he leaves. Also, Miles Garrett just posted on ig. That's bro sitting down like, damn.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe, you see that lady that work at Popeyes? See how she look?

[Joe's Nephew]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

That just how I'm gonna have Miles looking when I catch up to him out there in Santa Clara. Just like that.

[Joe]

Miles, like, man, this man just got me a unanimous defensive player of the year. I was playing good with this man and Nicki, which was what y' all do.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Unc, come on, now. You know, man, listen, anybody. You could have been coaching that Browns defense, Miles Garrett still would have got them 23 sacks. He still would have been an all pro. As a matter of fact, even if Mr. Schwartz is leaving, whoever comes in to take over that goddamn defense, you got the pieces in the personnel, where you gonna be all right, man? You got the pieces in the personnel, where you gonna be all right? That was the top five defense all season long now, right? Yeah, Joe, they ain't shabby at all.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yeah, no. I checked them out a few times. They did their thing.

[Joe]

Good defense.

[Ocho]

Very good.

[Joe]

They just need some pieces offensive. They need a wide receiver. They need offensive line help. I think in Joku's gonna leave. So get another tight end. Do you really? Who's gonna leave?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

See that?

[Joe's Nephew]

Why they got Fanning then?

[Joe]

It don't hurt to have two of them, though, Joe. You can find you one in the fourth or fifth round.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, fan. And.

[Joe]

Oh, I like it. I like him. I like him a lot.

[Ocho]

And he Nice.

[Joe's Nephew]

You think in Joku gonna require too.

[Joe]

Much money, they gonna move like you said, they got. They got fanning. So, you know, we go draft the tight end. We get him on a low number, run a lot of double tight end sets. Yeah. Look at the Patriots. They got Hooper and they got Hunter Henry. You look at the Bills team, you know, it definitely helps. Definitely. Tom Brady joined the chorus of voices living that coach Bill Belichick was snubbed from being a Pro Football hall of Fame. Said the voting committee decision is completely ridiculous. The quarterback coach combination. Brady and Belichick famously teamed to lead the Patriots to six super bowl victories, nine conference championships. Multiple sources spoke with Belichick over the weekend, described him as puzzled and disappointed by his inability to secure support of at least 80% of the hall committee. Ocho, we saw how the hall did to. But could you have ever imagined them doing this to coach Bill Belichick?

[Ocho]

I mean, listen, it's get back for them. It's get back for them for all the press conferences. Bill really being one that really doesn't disclose much. He doesn't give you much during. During those interviews. And this is what happened to you. You got people in positions of power that are able to control the narrative and control who gets in and who doesn't. They did it to Tara Owens. So them being able to do it to Bill Belichick, who doesn't sit right with a lot of people that are in those positions of power to control who gets in and who doesn't. I mean, it was shocking to me, but I kind of understand it because this is what happened. When you have ego and pride and people who can control certain narratives when it comes to certain people, oh, hey, honestly, it's effing ridiculous. There's politics. As. Listen, as prestigious as it is to be able to get into the hall of Fame and. And what it means, I mean, this kind of lessens the value of actually getting in based on accolades and resume it. It.

[Joe]

It lessens it because what's the criteria.

[Joe's Nephew]

To get in the Hall? Obviously he meets all that when it comes to accolades.

[Ocho]

He beyond meets it.

[Joe's Nephew]

Right.

[Ocho]

It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

[Joe]

A lot of what you said had a lot of truth to it. We saw a situation a couple of days ago with the Tracy Morgan situation. He got treated bad one way, one when he was younger. Now he's in a position that he could actually help somebody. He's like, nah, I remember you. You bullied. I remember you.

[Ocho]

Come on now.

[Joe]

Now, same thing. The people that Coach Belichick. Wrong way back when, when they tried to talk and he was smug and short. Now, listen, two things can be true.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

They got to get back.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Vince Lombardi, Coach Lombardi. Coach Chuck. No. Coach Tom Landry, Coach Don Shuler. The four coaches that's entered the hall and on their first. On their first try, they're the four first ballot coaches to go in. In the hall of Fame. Coach Belichick has more Super Bowls than any of those. He has more victories other than Koshula. He has more playoff wins, probably more than all of them combined. More division titles. He's a. He's a. There's no doubt. There's no doubt. But I'm just trying to figure out where was the uproar when TO didn't go in. They listen, chat and I. This is not. And I'm just not a white or black thing. I'm telling you. A right and a wrong thing. What they did to TO was so egregious, they changed the rules to keep him out on the first ballot. They didn't change no rules.

[Ocho]

They.

[Joe]

These are the same applicable rules that every member that's been voted on to go into the hall when they. When they said no matter what a person does off the field, you can't. You can't use that to keep him out the Hall. Only what he did on the field when it came time to. To. They changed the bylaws. What you did on the sidelines could be used against you. What you did in the facility could be used against you. Because they had nothing on him off the field. T.O. has never been in trouble. He's never run a file with the law. He's never having his name even mentioned for any impropriety. To. He led the 49ers and reception receiving. He led the Eagles in receiving. He led the Cowboys in receiving. He led the Bills in receiving. He led the Bengals in receiving. There are three men in the history of the NFL that's been a first team all pro with three different teams. One of them is one prime time Deion Sanders, first valid hall of Famer. The other is Ted the Stork. Hendrix Hendrickson, he and one Tara Owens. He's one of three men with 150 receiving touchdowns in the history of the game. Now we're making the hall of Fame doesn't have. So now the hall of Fame doesn't have any merit. When you kept. There have been so many guys that should have been a first ballot and you kept them out. Yes. What they did to Coach Belichick is egregious and he should have been a first ballot hall of Famer, but so, so should have to. So if you didn't want to change the rules and say, look, what they did to to was wrong. Now all of a sudden, whoever didn't vote for Coach Belichick, it needs to be made public. When there's never ever been a cry to make the votes public. Why not?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously because, because it's Coach Belichick. Because it's both Coach Belichick and it's egregious. Just as egregious as I'm not letting to win. And this is one of the things as, as, as much as the hall of Fame means to so many, you know, and I, I, I, I just for me, you know how I am. I and Joe, you know me as much as we've known each other, you know me extremely well. And those who know me personally know I'm, I'm one that had never needed validation. I'm, I'm one that conducted myself in a way where I felt if I can't be authentic to myself and I still be accepted in whatever it may be, I don't really care.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, so Joe and Unc, you got to think when I put that hall of Fame jacket on myself, you know, that was not an approval of any and everybody, even Coach Lewis, a joke came to me after the game and said, you know what? That's not going to sit right with a whole lot of people, especially those voters. And I told Coach Lewis after the game, I say, coach Lou, when I put that jacket on, that was to let you know and everybody else know, I don't need your validation at that moment after that touchdown and I crossed that 10,000 yard mark, that 10,000 yard mark.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I felt I was hall of Fame worthy and I don't need, which they probably wouldn't because I was always, I was always the problem child. Joe. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that, that perception that I had of, of enjoyment and having fun in my way and not conforming to what they felt I should have been like.

[Joe]

Nah.

[Ocho]

At that moment, I thought I was hall of Fame worthy. Right. That's why I put the goddamn jacket on, because.

[Joe]

Oh, Joe, Joe, I'm gonna trip you out now. Now, this is what they said. That Spygate and Deflate Gate might have had a, might have had some bearing or some weight to it to keep Coach Belichick out. I don't know if you know, this. But I was a criminal justice major. Do you guys know what fruit of the poisonous tree is? So the way you. The way they. They do this. If you said Coach Belichick got these Super Bowls and these victories through ill gotten means, who benefited from those ill gotten means? There's a guy coming up for the Pro Football hall of Fame. They say he the goat.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

It's gonna be very interesting. Who would have been a beneficiary of Spygate? Who would have been a beneficiary of Deflategate?

[Ocho]

Number 12.

[Joe]

Are you gonna keep Tom Brady out? You're not? No, sir. So why would you keep Coach Belichick out?

[Joe's Nephew]

Hey, I got a question, Uncle Ocho. Who does the voting?

[Joe]

Are these ex players? They do. They do have. They do have, I think like three or four players that do vote. But none of the almost 400. Most of it's four is 50 men and women. The mere fact that some like sometimes Joe the way it does is that you have a writer from your city, from your team and he makes an argument. When they went up to do damn Marino, they said Dan Marino and they slot back down. When they did Payton Manning, they say Peyton Manning and he sat back down. You don't even have to make a case. That should have been high. Should have been for coach Belichick. You already know his resume. The second most wins, the most playoff wins. Night 17. 18 division titles, six Super Bowls as a head coach, two as a defensive coordinator. His game plan is in the hall of Fame. When he shut down the K gun in Super Bowl, I think it was Super Bowl 20. So there shouldn't have had a. There shouldn't be. There shouldn't have to. You shouldn't have to build a case because it's playing this right there. You know what the man did? This is not no 1960. And I'm not saying you. I'm not trying to discredit anybody. But this is the modern era. Anything that happened the super bowl demand. So in the last 25 years, have we ever seen a streak of domination in the NFL in the history of the game? No.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

So it's going to be very probably these same 50 men and women that y' all said Spygate and deflate gate weighed into winning. Well, who benefited? So that means nobody that played on those teams during those five gate and deflate gate can go in in the hall of Fame on the first ballot. By your argument. Yeah, I'm just using what you said because y' all use that and then all of A sudden now, don't nobody know. Bill Poland say he can't remember. They just had to vote last week, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Man, you know, they got. You know, they remember, Joe.

[Joe]

This ain't no 15, 20 years. I can see if it was 15, 20 years ago, man, I can't remember, man, there's so many guys. Because we voting. They got 120 guys, and we got to wheel it down to 75. We got to take it down to 50, we got to take it down to 25, and then we get it all the way down to 10, and then we got a. A senior committee. Yeah, so I can't remember all that over 15 years, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Man, they remember. They remember. Hey, Joe. They pick and choose when they want to move the goal. They do, depending on who it is. And this is. This was a. Okay, now we got you. Now we gonna get you.

[Joe]

Yes, yes, yes. And that's what I try to tell players, Ocho. Yes. That is exactly how it works. Because at the end of the day, Ocho, you got to realize. I understand you're supposed to take that out of it, but that's a human being. They got feelings. You can't give somebody your ass to kiss and then expect them to do you a solid, even though that's what the law. That's what their job requires. But they're human. At the end of the day, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Everybody knows Coach Belichick should have been a first ballot hall of Fame, because if he's not, well, who's this? I said the same thing with Tio. I said, if Tio is not a first ballot hall of Fame receiver, I don't know who is. I don't. I really don't. And I used to think I knew what a Hall of Famer was, having played in the game, having played against a lot of the guys that went in, because basically anybody that went in, say, 90, 95 on, I probably played against them or saw them up close and personal. So I know. And plus, Ocho, you know, we go in there, we break down, meeting, we know the good player. Now what. What the media says and all the fan bases get all excited about. All I know is that when we took that guy off that tape, he wasn't one of the guys. We circle. I'm gonna leave it at that. So we know for them to do that to Coach Belichick, it's egregious. But I believe two things can be true. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, Joe. That's. That's some bull crap, man. I just. I hate when people are in positions of power, and I. I never would. I. I would love for players that. That are always asking to get in. I know they would love to be honored, but I hate the fact that some. Some of them, they beg and. And they hulk and they. And they.

[Joe]

And they.

[Ocho]

They try so bad to want to be a part of something because of what it entails.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, and in needing the validation. Just because you don't wear that gold jacket don't mean you wouldn't. That boy on that field.

[Joe's Nephew]

Right.

[Ocho]

You still. Based on resume and accolades, when you turn that film on is still there. The numbers you put up, the stuff that you've done during your career, you is still there.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

It ain't going nowhere. And I just. I would never, ever give anybody, not just the hall of Fame in general, never give anybody the satisfaction of knowing they got that over me and being able to control and how I feel.

[Joe]

It's a situation also. Mr. Kraft, what the hell we waiting on? Tell me an owner. And I get it. Some of these old owners. Robert. Mr. Model. Art model. I won't. I won't. I won't disrespect him by calling Mr. I call him Art. All right. Look at what he does. You got Monday Night Football. He was the reason why. The benefits, the union. He's the reason why. But because he moved his team from Cleveland to Baltimore, because they. The. The city, they wouldn't. They wouldn't get play for the upgrades to the stadium. He's the only owner there have been. The Raiders go back and forth. The hell. The Raiders was moving like they had a mobile home. Hook up the truck and just move it up and down. They go to Oakland, they're back to la. They go to la, they back to Oakland, back and forth. Never had to leave the colors. The Rams, y' all do like the Cardinals. Y' all do realize the Cardinals used to be in St. Louis? Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, they moved. They didn't have to leave the colors. The Rams. The Rams originally started out. They weren't in. They were in California. Then they moved to Anaheim. Then they moved to St. Louis. Moving them back. They never left the colors. The Colts. Mr. Ursay. Bob Ursay moved him in the middle of the night in 1984, like a thief of the night. Loaded up the Mayflower bands and moved them. And he never left color or record. The Tech, the Tennessee Titans, they used to be the Houston Oilers. They went to Nashville first. Excuse me. Yeah, they went to Memphis. Was It Memphis. I think they went to Memphis first, but anyway. And then they went to Nashville and never have to leave a color or record. Art Model is the only owner in NFL history that has moved and was required to leave the colors and the records in Cleveland, and they still won't put him in Mr. Kraft. What more can you do? How much more can you win? Because they put a lot of owners in before him. That's one less than him, and he's been in after them. Don't get me started. Don't get me started. I'm good now. I can speak my mind. See, I used to hold back because I was really trying to get my brother because I know they gonna use what I said against him. But now he is now gonna let y' all know how I really feel. Hey, you're wrong. You. The way you did to. Was absolutely wrong. The way you did Bill Belichick was wrong, dead ass. The way you've done Mr. Kraft and the way you've done Art Model is wrong. And you know, it's.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yeah, they making them pay, boy.

[Ocho]

How much more they got that power?

[Joe]

How much more can I pay? I don't know.

[Joe's Nephew]

But, hey, it's obvious. It's obvious because, you know, his accolades meets the requirements. I mean, he. Obviously, we all know that Bill Belichick is the first ballot, you know, maybe due to the. The flake gate, all the shenanigans that is. That has transpired with the Patriots. Obviously didn't rub them people that way, man.

[Joe]

It's. It has. It has, Joe. But you know what? But I. I think the thing. Look, Coach Belichick did not make it on any reporter to do their job. He didn't make it easy. He didn't.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

We. I think we could be true. He wasn't the easiest person to do your job, but he's more than worthy of being a First Battle hall of Fame. Two things can be true, no question. And they are in this situation. But I don't believe now because it's egregious on the level of. To that all of a sudden voters should have to reveal themselves. So now, I guess. Let me see now. Ocho. So if we start doing this, I guess everybody that voted for a candidate that. That my candidate didn't win. I want to know everybody that voted for the other candidate. Now. I need to see names.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You see how ridiculous that sounds? Do that. That's the whole point of the voting booth. That's why you go into Ocho. You pull the curtain because don't nobody's supposed to see who you voted for or no. If you want to tell, who knows? I don't know if I believe. You're not. Cause you lie. People lie so much now. I don't know if I believe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, I would never vote for him. Check. I wouldn't vote for her either. Check. I'm so. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. But in this situation, yeah, everybody knows Coach Belichick, and like Coach Belichick, it hurts him. See, like, when your name came up. Like, when. The first time my name came up in 2009, I was one of the one, I think, 125. I got whittled down, and then I made the final 10. Made it to, like, the final 10. Final 10. Made it to, like,' the room or like, the five. Because back then, Ocho, the. The coaches and. And. And owners winning, like players, they've since changed that. They since changed that because the owner and a contributor, they're two different things. Ocho. They didn't. They. They ain't on no damn field. So how you go in as the equivalent of a player that actually played the game? So they changed that. And I agree that the next year I come back, Ocho, I got less votes the second year than I did the first year. I said. I said, you know what? If I didn't get in, I said, if you didn't like my stats this year, you're gonna hate them next year because they're not gonna get any better. And the guy that's coming behind me gonna have better stats.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I said, I can't add to it. I said, I wish I can go back and get me another 50 catches, maybe another, you know, seven, eight touchdowns on your. And go to a Super Bowl. Yeah. But there ain't nothing I can do. All I can do is just go back, Go back and look at my body of work and don't compare me. Don't compare me against Ozzie and Kellen and John Mackey and Mike Dicker. Look at everybody. Tight ends that played in the 90s, and look how far ahead I was than them. And I played in a running scheme.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

So that I say, judge me by the 90s. Don't judge me by what Kellen and Ozzy and Dicker and Mackie and Christensen and all those guys. Dave, Casper. Because that's unfair. That's unfair to them. That's unfair to me. I said, but my resume speaks for itself. Go ask the defensive coordinators that had the game plan Me and ask them what they thought of me.

[Ocho]

Oh, wait, there you go. Yeah.

[Joe]

Ask Flora Peters. Ask Gunther Cunningham. Yeah, ask Coach Coward as Coach Belichick. Ask them what they thought of me. Y' all see, sometimes, Ocho, sometimes the antics can overshadow the play. And you know, look, you know me, I'm having fun. Call the National Guard. I'm talking crazy to a lot of people.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, but all I know.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. My team's won. Period.

[Ocho]

See, that's not fair, man.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, what's that? His teams won, but mine was losing.

[Joe's Nephew]

Hey, hey, Ojo, you gotta play the car.

[Joe]

That's it, baby.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe, I play. I play one hell of a hand too, Joe. You hear me? I played one hell of a hand too.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Look, they didn't say I couldn't have. We couldn't have fun while we're playing. Our job was to catch, block, help our team win, get the ball in the end zone. Yeah, look, in Cincinnati, you didn't have the best. You wasn't the best setup. I don't know if it was the most conducive for winning.

[Ocho]

I like it though. I enjoyed it.

[Joe]

Understand, that's the hand.

[Ocho]

You look here.

[Joe]

If we playing spades, some people, Joe, we play space. If you don't get any space, you throw the hand in. Some people play. If you get face cards, you got to play the hand even if you don't have space. Well, Oo, you have face cards, you didn't have spades, but you had to play that damn hand and you played it well. You got a couple books out of it. You got six Pro Bowls, you got all pros. Yeah, Come on now.

[Joe's Nephew]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. A lot of win. Look here, the only. I've never heard. Tell me the time. You've seen a receiver, he has the most comeback wins. The only winning that matters is quarterbacks. That's why they have how many wins? Tom Brady have how many wins? Peyton Manning have how many wins? Patrick Mahomes, how many come from behind wins? They don't put that on anybody else. They don't get that title to coaches. They don't give it to tight ends, wide receivers, defensive, nothing. So only winning is tied to the quarterback. That's the only one that winnings matter to. That's what they tell you. That's what they tell you when they want to get said guy in. Now they want to keep you out. They dead ass wrong. They know it. Coach Belichick should have been a first ballot hall of Famer.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

I like Coach Belichick. When he's not in Coach Belichick mode, he's a really great guy to be around. I went to the Pro bowl with him and had a conversation. Sitting at the bar, talking, having a drink. I wasn't drinking at the time. I was drinking virgin strawberry daiquiri, probably about 7,000 calories. But, you know, we at the bar, having a good old time. I was working with CBS at the time, and I think it might have been. Who was the coach. I. Trying to think who the coach was. I can't even remember who the damn coach was now. I mean, I know Coach Belichick was one. Was the coach. I'm trying to think who the quarterbacks were. I can't remember. But when you get Coach Belichick away when he's not in New England and he's not in that. That focus. Moto Joe, he's great to be around. And everybody that's ever been around, every player will tell you he's great to be around. But when he's in that mode, he's all business different. He's different.

[Ocho]

Different.

[Joe]

It's just like the quarterbacks. Pton, now, Pton, Pton, open up a little bit. But when he get away from football, he just there to have a good time.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

His hair all the way down.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And it's long hair.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the funny thing about it is, is this what I like. Un. I mean, Joe and uncle, I tell you this all the time. I would love for players to stop being so PC and be themselves in front of cameras. But most of the time, depending on who you are, especially the face of the team, you have to conduct yourself a certain way. I am so happy, Joe, that I was able to not only play with Tom, but see Tom outside when that's not rolling. I'm so happy I was able to see Peyton Manning at the Pro bowl outside when that cat is not rolling. That goddamn Bill Belichick, who I worked with all last year on Inside the NFL. I. I was glad to see that bill outside of the. The Bill that everyone sees in front of that goddamn camera, man. They ain't nothing like that in real life.

[Joe]

He seem.

[Joe's Nephew]

He seemed a little more open on. On the NFL.

[Joe]

He more open to that at the bar.

[Ocho]

Okay, Joe. They nothing like that in real life. And you would have to know them personally. And it almost. It almost to them. It.

[Joe]

It.

[Ocho]

It does them almost at this service where the rest of the world can't see how really Dope. They are because they have to be one way. When the camera's. I'm sorry, when the camera.

[Joe]

They have to be so. They have to be so buttoned up because everybody's trying to get that got you moment with one of those guys.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Peyton, Tom, all these guys, they're really, really button up when the cameras are around. But when they're just hanging out with friends and buddies or being somewhere. Hey, they're funny.

[Ocho]

Normal.

[Joe]

That's Tom Brady.

[Ocho]

Yeah, funny.

[Joe's Nephew]

I was when I played in Phoenix and we had the two time mvp, Steve Nash. Y' all know he used to go out with us. Uncle Ocho, he used to hang out with us. Amari Quinn Richardson.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cash.

[Joe's Nephew]

He would be with us in the spot.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe's Nephew]

Good old time.

[Ocho]

You know, Joe, I know Steve a little bit. You know, I play. I play soccer with.

[Joe]

All the time.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I play soccer with Steve all the time.

[Joe]

Hey, hey.

[Joe's Nephew]

He used to. He liked playing hockey too. We came to practice one day, you know.

[Joe]

Yeah. You know, hockey and basketball, it's the national pastime, man.

[Joe's Nephew]

Listen, Ocho, we came in, that man had on skates. He was out there on that ice. Used to see coach went crazy, man.

[Joe]

What is you out here doing? That man know what he doing, though.

[Joe's Nephew]

Hey, that boy. That boy be moving on that ice, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Nash different.

[Joe's Nephew]

He was a different dude.

[Joe]

It's embarrassing. It really is. I still think the hall of Fame is prestigious. It's the. It's the heaven for the individual sport that you play. Basketball, football, baseball. It's kind of. I guess it's kind of like going into the. If you're a musician, the Rock and Roll hall of Fame in Cleveland. Ocho, if you professional bull rider, I think that's in Colorado Springs. It's your football. It's your football heaven. It's your football mecca. I remember my grandmother, when I called my grandmother when I finally got the call in 2011, I called my grandma. I said, hey, Granny. She said, hey. I said, grant, I'm going to the hall of Fame. I never forget. She said, what's that, baby? I say. I said, granny, that's why. That's where all the good players go. She said, that sure is good, son. That show good. I sure hope I'm around to see it because at that time she had gotten really, really sick. So this was in January. This was in January, beginning of February. She passed in July. So she didn't actually. She didn't actually, you know what I'm saying? But she realized my Grandmother knew she could not see that ceremony physically. She had to leave this place physically and go with me there spiritually, because then that body wasn't going to take her. And so to hear like, oh, that showed that show good. She would always have my sister living. Find that boy on tv. My sister put. Put the TV on because, you know, back then we were really good. So the Broncos always came on in that late window for. Yeah, for NBC. NBC. NBC. So we always came on the late window. It is a huge honor. It is. It is a huge honor. But there has been some damage done by some players that didn't get in that should have gotten in. And even if. No matter what you think about TO and TO should have been a first ballot, but then you skip him again on the 2nd just to prove a point and make the guy go in on the third ballot. No matter what you think you see, I think T.O. is one of the three greatest receivers to ever play. I think it's Jerry. Jerry. Randy. Now you can flip. I think you can flip Tio and Randy. I think it's universal regarding Jerry. Is it? Jerry's it for me. Jerry's it. Some people like Randy, but I think you could say. But even if. Even if you're not like OO and I, Tio is not getting out of the top 5 of receivers to ever play this game. He's just not.

[Ocho]

No, absolutely not.

[Joe]

So with that being said, if that's not first ballot, I don't know what is. I don't.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hell, I don't think DT I don't think. Did DT go in in the first ballot? I don't think DT went in on the first ballot. Come on, bro. Hey, did anybody. Did anybody watch DT from 1989 to 1999? Did anybody watch those 11 years? I got to see it up close and personal from 90 to 99.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe's Nephew]

Man. They got your boy. They got me a nominee this year.

[Joe]

Think about Ocho. Yeah, DT had to go five times.

[Ocho]

Before he got in.

[Joe]

Now, damn, anybody that played, anybody that played against dt, ask him. Yeah, that first step, they need to stop. But see, this is what you get. Because you know what happens, Ocho? Once. Once you let them. Once they get away with keeping certain people out, they feel like that's a lot of power, Ocho. Yeah, that's a lot of power, Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know how you take. You know how you take your power back? Hey, Joe, you know how you take.

[Joe's Nephew]

Your power, how you take it back?

[Joe]

You create your own say, effort.

[Ocho]

You create you create your own shoot. Hey, I got. I got me a 14 karat gold bus. Yeah, Joe, you create. You create your own bus. You create your own jacket. What y' all talking about? Oh, man, what you going to get, huh?

[Joe's Nephew]

That's crazy, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. Let me show. Let me show you mine. Hold on.

[Joe]

I don't know who gonna get this? The kids. I might have to have the kids sell this. Cause, boy, look here. Because that the only one of them, Joe. The only one. You know, I gotta keep them apart there. I got. Gotta keep that part. They got the way.

[Joe's Nephew]

Some cats.

[Joe]

What you got?

[Ocho]

Hold on. Hey, hey, it's. It's in the showcase. It's too. It's too heavy to bring out. I got a 14 karat gold bus like that. But it's in the showcase. I can't carry the whole thing.

[Joe]

Do you really? Oo, yeah.

[Ocho]

Well, I don't. Hey, Joe, I don't play. I'm not. I'm not. Listen, them people ain't letting me in, so I had to go make my own. No, you laughing. Why you laughing? I'm Joe, I'm not playing. I'm 14 karat gold bus. When they do my game room, you know they doing my game room for me, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So by the time we get to like sometime after Valentine's. Yeah, they doing. Oh, because you told me, you told me my parents.

[Joe]

Nah. So. So deduct 6,500 from the game room. Shoot that over to me.

[Ocho]

Wait, wait, you said it was 59. How you get the interest? 500.

[Joe's Nephew]

Gotta be some interesting. Gotta be O.

[Joe]

Three years.

[Ocho]

Hey, but, but no, this is for the show, though. I. I need. I need the presentation when we get on. I needed to look good.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

So. But the bus. The bus is gonna be in the background with. With. With all our awards and the nightcap. My nightcap sign is gonna be on like. Joe, the whole thing. It's gonna look real nice. Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah. The chat would really appreciate if you cut that nightcap sign on.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Let me see if it worked. Hold on, hold on.

[Joe's Nephew]

It's too bright.

[Joe]

What.

[Ocho]

Can it. Can they see it?

[Joe's Nephew]

Oh, it ain't bad.

[Joe]

Ocho.

[Ocho]

It's distorted though, huh?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, I think because it's so far away, it's distorted. So we. Do. We know. Do I want to fix all that also? Eli, man, we're gonna talk about Eli later. We're talking about now. Okay, here's the. Armando. Armando Salguero, one of the yes voters claims there were voters in the room who voiced their concerns about Spygate before voting. Along with reinforcing the importance of voting process, the hall released a statement stressing actions will be taken if one or multiple voters committed a violation of of the selection process. The hall did not mention Belichick by name or identify the selection process bylaws may have been broken. One violation four would be an example would be making a decision on a candidate based on non football reasons that does not however include Spygate. V. Gregorian of the Kansas City Vahee Gregorian I guess that's how you say that. I apologize. I know Gregoria, Kansas City Star became the first voter to outright confirm he voted against Belichick. He explained that he didn't vote against Belichick and Craft so much as the other three seniors players in Shrine who is that? Anderson who I know Roger Craig and L.C. greenwood. I don't know who Anderson is. Gregorian said he believed all five of the candidates were deserving, but was concerned that the three players would have him have to wait much longer than Belichick like many other senior candidates. Well, people say they wanted to put his name to it, I believe. Elsie Greenwood, look elsewhere. Green was was not as heralded as Mean Joe Green, Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Mel Blunt. But go back and look at those deep, that steel curtains defense and look at the guy with the high top yellow shoes. Ocho, go back and look now.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm old enough to remember Elsie Greenwood. I remember those. Every, every super bowl they won, especially in the late like 76, 77, 78, 79. Yeah, LC was. What was he. I mean, they got, I mean, think about it. They got Joe Green, hall of Fame, Ham Lambert, hall of Fame, Mel Blunt, hall of Fame, Donnie Shell, hall of Fame. So you got five hall of Famers right there and you got LC you had Andy Russell, who was a perennial All Pro and Pro bowl player. LC Greenwood was a Pro bowl player. So it's not very many times that you got seven All Pros and Pro bowl players on a defense at a given time. And, and you're definitely not going to have five hall of Famers in their prime together. Now you might have a Hall of Famer come later in his career, but they were all drafted to the Steelers. The Steelers drafted five hall of Famers in 74, where they drafted four. Donnie Shell was an undrafted free agent. Lynn Swan, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth and Mike Webster. The first four picks on Ocho in the hall of Fame. Oh, that's and then Donnie Shell was an undrafted ph his fifth. The fifth player. So one draft class on a team. I think we got five in our 90 draft class O250 PL40 players. They got five of their first 12, 13, 14 picks.

[Ocho]

Wow.

[Joe]

You ain't gonna never see that again.

[Joe's Nephew]

Hell no.

[Joe]

Bill Nun Radio Raheem that's his dad with Bill Nunn. He was the guy the scouting yes for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Ocho]

Yes. Oh that's dope.

[Joe]

Foreign.

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