Best of NFL News Part 2: A.J. Brown MADNESS, Anthony Richardson DELUSION!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 2: A.J. Brown MADNESS, Anthony Richardson DELUSION!

Host: Shannon Sharpe & guests (Joe, Ocho, Uncle, et al.)

Release Date: May 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the behind-the-scenes drama of the NFL Draft, the tangled fates of top prospects like Makai Lemon and Caleb Downs, big-name trades (notably A.J. Brown's brewing move), and hard-hitting truths about what it really takes for a quarterback to succeed in the league, using the cases of Anthony Richardson and others as practical lessons. The hosts bring their usual humor, competitiveness, and first-hand knowledge, dissecting team strategies, NFL norms, and player development—always laced with vivid stories and iconic barbershop banter.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Cowboys-Pirates-Philly Draft Drama

• [02:31-04:31] Insider Chris Harris recounts a draft night plot twist: The Dallas Cowboys, tipped off about Pittsburgh’s plans to draft WR Makai Lemon, haul in two picks from Philly by letting the Eagles leapfrog the Steelers for Lemon at #20.
  • Quote:
    “There’s clips out there of Makai Lemon being on the phone with the Pittsburgh Steelers…his agent’s running in: ‘Philly just traded for you, it’s gonna be Philly.’" – Chris Harris [04:11]
• Cowboys exploit their connections with the new Pittsburgh staff, leading to Steelers feeling “embarrassed on a national stage.”
• Commentary on the ruthless reality of draft day maneuvering:
  • Quote:
    “This isn’t a Boy Scout troop, man. We’re trying to win a championship." – Chris Harris [04:05]
  • Quote:
    “That’s why they call it the war room.” – Uncle [04:31]
• The crew questions how insider info could “leak” from the Steelers’ war room.

2. NFL Draft Recap: Key Players & Team Grades

• Cowboys praised for sharp moves:
  • Lock in prospects like Caleb Downs amid injury rumors ([07:52-08:11]), add edge rusher Jayshawn Barham, and discuss Miami’s acquisition of a promising Texas Tech linebacker (compared to Zach Thomas).
  • Quote:
    “When I think about the draft…the goddamn Cowboys get a goddamn A.” – Uncle [09:15]
• Philadelphia and Howie Roseman lauded:
  • “He always does it right.” – Uncle [09:34]
  • Eagles also make a splash with a trade for ‘Green’, reinforcing their pass rush.
• AJ Brown Trade Fallout:
  • The panel expects an inevitable split.
    “The receiver…A.J., he for show up out of there.” – Ocho [10:04]
  • Discussions about team culture, amicable splits, and “irreconcilable differences.”
• Team-by-Team Draft Takes:
  • Bengals’ defensive upgrades, Ravens’ focus on the O-line, Browns boosting receiver depth.
    “People will laugh, but we got some hell of a pieces.” – Uncle [10:54]
• Players’ “Chip on the Shoulder”:
  • Makai Lemon’s attitude and perception as “difficult”—but the hosts contend, ultimately, “He’s here to play football.” – Uncle [15:20]

3. Draft Protocols, Player Phone Calls & The “Dirty Business”

• [12:25–14:59] Critique of the Steelers' phone call etiquette with Lemon, and the rules versus the reality of war room communications.
  • “You’re not supposed to be on the phone with the player unless you’re on the clock.” – Joe [14:05]
• Lemon’s draft night: confusion, phone call juggling, and feeling slighted.
  • “He got a little chip…They just don’t like the way he does his interviews…but hey, this man here to play football.” – Uncle [15:05]
• The hosts reflect on the anxiety and stakes of draft day and the importance, above all, of “where you go.” [17:01]

4. Quarterback Realities: Anthony Richardson, Hard Truths, & Preparation

• [28:23–36:55] Richardson’s lackluster performance and debate over scheme versus self-discipline:
  • The gang is skeptical a new system alone (the McVeigh-Shanahan-LaFleur “tree”) will “save” Richardson:
    • Quote:
      “It’s not about the system. It’s about you locking in…not rapping, not all the side quests.” – Uncle [29:08]
    • Quote:
      “Don’t get mad at the results you didn’t get for the work you didn’t put in.” – Joe [29:47]
• Role of Work Ethic for QBs:
  • Position demands exceptional commitment (film, leadership, preparation):
    • Quote:
      “QB…you gotta be invested. I’m talking about 24/7.” – Uncle [31:38]
    • Quote:
      “All you do is what the coaches ask you to do, you’ll never be great.” – Joe [30:16]
  • Examples: Kyler Murray’s contract clause, Tom Brady’s ascent from the 6th round, widespread impatience with young QBs.
    • “NFL isn’t a seasonal job anymore.” – Joe [34:58]
• The conversation highlights how few rookie QBs truly shine and how mental preparation is more crucial than raw athleticism.
  • “The game is 90% mental, 10% physical.” – Uncle [38:35]

5. NFL Family Legacies & Memorable Draft Moments

• [18:33–22:34] Excitement over siblings playing together in the league—especially Avion Terrell joining brother A.J. on the Falcons.
  • “That’s so dope, man.” – Ocho [18:44]
  • Quote:
    “As parents, that’s gotta be one of the greatest feelings in the world.” – Uncle [22:02]
• Lists other famous sibling duos: Griffins, McCourtys, Watts, Mannings, Pounceys, Mosses.
• Jokes and playful trash talk about family competition and Hall of Fame status.

6. Equipment, Nostalgia, and “Letting Go”

• [58:14–61:17] The hosts riff on what memorabilia they keep (or don’t).
  • Split between collecting every jersey, trophy, and helmet (Joe) and cutting ties with the past (“When a phase of life is done, I close that book.” – Uncle [61:18])
  • Lighthearted banter about lost Emmys and the value of keepsakes and memories versus simply moving forward in life.

7. NFL Culture: Practice Habits and Old School vs. New School

• [53:25–57:58] Dissing complaints about hard practices and pad-wearing, recalling Dan Reeves/Mike Ditka era toughness.
  • “If that’s what you came into the league as, that’s what you know—how is that a problem?” – Joe [54:00]
• Ocho’s “spider pad” trick and stories about minimizing contact in practice for speed.

8. A.J. Brown Trade: Validation & “Told-You-So” Energy

• [46:48–50:23] Victory laps as Ocho and the hosts recount calling the A.J. Brown situation months in advance—rubbing it in for listeners who earlier dismissed them.
  • Quote:
    "Two, three months ago…everybody talking about, 'man shut up, he don’t wanna go nowhere.' What you talking about?” – Ocho [48:35]
  • Panel expects “irreconcilable differences” to finally send A.J. to the Patriots.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with timestamps)

• “We’re trying to win a championship. Who cares if the Steelers are pissed off?” – Chris Harris [04:09]
• “Hey, that’s why they call it the war room.” – Uncle [04:31]
• “It’s a dirty game…not only with the players, but those that wear those jackets and those ties.” – Uncle [07:14]
• “It’s not about the system…It’s about you taking what you do serious…not all your hobbies, not rapping.” – Uncle [29:08]
• “If all you do is what the coaches ask you to do, you’ll never be great.” – Joe [30:22]
• “You can be really good and do it half-ass. But how great do you want to be at it?” – Joe [32:01]
• “The game is 90% mental, 10% physical.” – Uncle [38:35]
• “I talk too much trash during the week, purposely…And I’mma go do exactly what I said I’mma do.” – Uncle [41:08]
• “When a phase of life is done, I close that book, Joe. I close it.” – Uncle [61:18]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Cowboys-Steelers Draft Maneuvering: [02:31–06:47]
• Cowboys’ Draft Analysis & Philly’s Moves: [06:47–10:47]
• A.J. Brown Trade Talk: [10:04, 46:48–50:23]
• Makai Lemon’s Draft Night, Protocols: [12:25–16:09]
• Draft Night Anxiety & "It’s Where You Go”: [16:47–17:43]
• Quarterback Preparation (Richardson Discussion): [28:23–36:55]
• Sibling Teammates/Family Ties: [18:33–22:34]
• Practice Toughness Discussion: [53:25–57:58]
• Memorabilia, Nostalgia, & Letting Go: [58:14–61:27]

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Tone & Style

The hosts keep it unapologetically real, trading wisdom and playful jabs in equal measure. They blend insightful, hard-won football truths with stories that only ex-players can tell, and never shy from calling out hypocrisy, bad takes, or fans’ Monday-morning quarterbacking.

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For New Listeners:

If you want the full scoop on wild NFL draft war-room antics, the inside story on the A.J. Brown situation, why QB preparation matters more than scheme—and plenty of hilarious, braggadocious banter—this high-energy, knowledge-packed episode is Club Shay Shay at its best. The hosts’ authenticity and expertise make every discussion both educational and entertaining, with plenty of “I told you so” receipts for longtime fans.

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[Joe]

All right, now we head to the the NFL. Joe, your Cowboys reportedly screwed the Steelers last night. Let's take A listen to the report that Chris Harris from the Fort Worth Star Telegram. This is what he said.

[Chris Harris]

Pittsburgh is pissed about this. They feel like Dallas duped them. They, especially with the draft being in Pittsburgh, they felt embarrassed on a national stage. There was a wild development that happened in the war room, not only in Dallas last night, but also in Pittsburgh and in Philadelphia. So the Cowboys are sitting there on the clock at pick 20. They were planning on taking Malachi Lawrence right there, but they did. Entering that pick, they wanted to trade back. They had been tipped off somehow that Makai Lemon was going to be the pick for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The USC wide receiver. There's a lot of connections with that new Pittsburgh staff. Remember, Mike McCarthy is a new head coach there. He hired a lot of, you know, assistant coaches and executives and scouts and. And, you know, people behind the scenes that were in Dallas just a couple of years ago. So it could have been as simple as someone in the Dallas war room just shooting a text to somebody in the Pittsburgh war room, be like, hey, who are y' all taking here? And then thinking, oh, the Cowboys are taking defense. You know, this is just two guys, you know, two girls talking right here. It's like, oh, we're taking Makai Lemon, you know, and the Cowboys call Philadelphia. Cowboys call Philadelphia. They're like, hey, the Steelers are going to take Makai Lemon. We know you want a receiver, come up here, do this deal with us and give us two fourth round picks. And they did the deal and Pittsburgh pissed. Multiple sources have told me this morning.

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[Clifford Taylor IV]

Yeah, I love the Cowboys being petty.

[Chris Harris]

And yes, it worked out great for them. This isn't a boy Scout troop, man.

[Joe]

We're trying to win a championship.

[Chris Harris]

Who cares if the Steelers are pissed off? There's clips out there of Makai Lemon being on the phone with the Pittsburgh Steelers and then him being like, hey, why is Philadelphia calling and his agents running in the room? Philly just traded for you. It's going to be Philly. And he has to hang up on the Steelers and answer the Eagles phone call and take that. And he's drafted at the 20th overall pick.

[Uncle]

Hey, that's how business. Hello, ain't it? That's why they. Joe. That's why they call it the war room.

[Joe]

Yeah, all.

[Uncle]

Hey, listen, when it's time for war, ain't no love in that.

[Joe]

You can't. I don't. I'll give you a prime example. I know y' all don't remember this story, but I do. Y' all do realize that somebody stole the secrets to Coca Cola formula, tried to sell it to Pepsi. Guess what? Pepsi did what they do, Told Coca Cola, got the FBA involved, and got the ass arrested. Why? First of all, I don't blame. I don't blame the Cowboys, but why would somebody in Pittsburgh ever divulge that information? Why would you do that?

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

Ocho, if I met. If you said it's the war room, that means I'm at war with every other. All 31 other teams. I'm at war. Why would I divulge any information about who. What we're potentially gonna do?

[Uncle]

Hey, you know how this business goes, right? It ain't fair. It never has been. If we have an opportunity to get one up on another team, I don't

[Joe]

got no problem with it. I have no problem whatsoever.

[Uncle]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

My problem is with the Steelers, right? And they thought they could trust someone. I ain't got no friends, right? OO you go to another team? You go to. You go to the. The Patriots? Yes, man. Oo, what y' all do? What y' all looking like out there, man? Where they got you playing at? Oh, man, I don't even know if I'm gonna play this week. That's what I'm saying.

[Ocho]

Right, Right.

[Joe]

Anything that I say, they gonna go back and tell the D.C. or they gonna tell the offense. Man, this is what OO told me. They do it, you dumb dumbs.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, you know the Cowboys. The Cowboys got two picks off of that, though, didn't they?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Then they. Didn't they get two picks off of that?

[Malcolm Glabel]

Yes.

[Ocho]

From Philly moving up.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Plus, you gotta realize, Dallas in Philly, this is not the first time they did this with Micah and devonte. Philly wanted Devonte Smith. Dallas had to pick. They was like, okay, we'll trade back. Just don't take Parsons. Okay? Now we want devontae Smith.

[Uncle]

They agreed?

[Chris Harris]

Yes.

[Joe]

I don't know what Pittsburgh. I don't. I don't know what Pittsburgh was thinking in this situation. I don't. I don't know why. Why would that guy divulge that information? Ocho Joe?

[Uncle]

Why?

[Ocho]

He felt comfortable. Had to. He had to feel comfortable talk, Talking. Talking to them boys.

[Uncle]

But, hey, it's a dirty.

[Ocho]

Hey, man.

[Uncle]

Hey, Uncle Joe. It always has been, not only with the players, but obviously those that wear those. Those. Those jackets and those ties, it's. It's still a dirty business.

[Joe]

You know, we saw this thing in baseball. Who. Who's that? Well, we saw the Houston Rockets. Houston Rockets. The Houston. The Astros were stealing sign. They banging on the drums. You saw the card where somebody had all that. Their portfolio information, the. The analytics and all that? Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, we got. Hey, them cowboy got some good pickups, though, didn't they?

[Joe]

I. I love how the hell.

[Ocho]

How Caleb down slip slipped us like that.

[Joe]

It seemed like somebody was saying he had some knee issues. Is that correct?

[Ocho]

I mean, from. From what I've been hearing, hell, they were talking about how he like one of the. If not the best prospect in the draft.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Yeah, he up there. He went on. He went on. Hey, he's a great pick. That's one of those picks you. You really. You really can't miss. And y'. All. Y' all got another edge. Nah, Jason. Jayshawn Barham, I think edge rush.

[Ocho]

When they draft him today.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Uncle]

Yep. Third round.

[Joe]

Didn't they get Rodriguez from Texas Tech? He was the Bronco. He was the. What you call him, outstanding defensive player this year. The linebacker from Texas Tech. Isn't he going to Dallas? No, he going to Miami. He's going to Miami. He's going to Miami. He reminds. He reminds you of Ocho.

[Ocho]

Who was that?

[Joe]

Zach Thomas.

[Uncle]

Kiko, Luke. Zach.

[Joe]

You remember Zach Thomas.

[Uncle]

He was number 10. He. He was number 10 at. At Texas Tech, right? Number 10?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

I like him.

[Joe]

Didn't he.

[Uncle]

I think so.

[Joe]

Yeah. What did Zach Thomas go. I think Zach Thomas, the linebacker. Yeah, Zach. No, Zach Martin. Wouldn't know the name.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey, hey. Matter of fact. Matter of fact, when I think about the draft and in the first two rounds and I think about giving team grades based on what they've done so far with the first three rounds, the goddamn Cowboys get a. A. Goddamn Philadelphia. They get a goddamn A. I don't know what. Hey, Howie Roseman. I don't.

[Joe]

Is he.

[Uncle]

He just made for this stuff, huh? He just made for this stuff whether it's a draft, whether it's offseason acquisitions, whether it's playing players early, you know, a little earlier than you're supposed to trade. They made everything he does. He always does it right?

[Joe]

Trade they made what?

[Ocho]

What trade they made?

[Joe]

They got Green. Who was opposite of answer. I talked about it last night. I said Ocho. I. I've been hearing that he was on the market. Guess what they trade for him. Four years. 100 million. Boom. Done deal. Now we got another A pass. Russia.

[Ocho]

Damn. Hey. Hey. So. So. So the receiver, he for show up out of there, AJ he for show out of there.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

Yeah, June. June. He. He'll be over there. He'll be over there in Boston. He'll be over there in Boston.

[Ocho]

Pass.

[Joe]

He'll be happy. I mean, look, and it happens sometime. Sometimes you have irreconcilable differences and sometimes we can park amicably. Yeah, it happens.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey, hey. Chat. I'm curious to chat. What they think about the draft and as far as the teams, what team, what. What grades would you give some of this. Some. What grade would you give your team, your favorite team, on how they've done so far in the draft? Hey, Bank Bengals. I mean, people, you know, people will laugh. Well, what we done defensively, huh?

[Ocho]

Y' all got better. Ocho.

[Uncle]

Hey, I mean, listen, I can't say we got better. I know we got some hell of a pieces. I can't. Can I say that? Am I. Can I say that out? Jared Allen, huh? We got sexy Dexy, a young bull, young boy from Texas Joe, man.

[Joe]

Cassius Howe, he like that.

[Uncle]

Nah, I'm just looking at what I'm seeing on film, you know, based on the highlights. Twitchy, aggressive. He nice. And he got a little dog in him. He out there talking trash most of the time. You don't see that too much, especially from defensive linemen. Hey, hey, we gonna be nice if we get Shamar Stewart to come out this year and show the progress and improvement. He was the first round pick last year. He didn't do much last year, but we get him coming along this year, man. Hey, Miles Murphy. I like it. Now, we improved defensively. It's one thing to have names, but it's another thing when the goddamn bullet's flying. Are you gonna show up on Sundays when it counts?

[Joe]

Hey.

[Ocho]

Hey. What? Your Ravens and your Broncos, do they get better?

[Joe]

They took an offensive lineman. I think both teams took off it. No, I'm trying to think. What did the Broncos take? Hell, I don't even know. The Ravens took. I know the Ravens took the title, the offensive lineman from Penn State. And they took defense. I think they took defense in the second round. I see early pick in the second round.

[Ocho]

I see them Browns got them some receivers, some offensive tackles, didn't they, man?

[Joe]

Yeah, I told them they need. They need some receivers. What are your thoughts on the Steelers calling Malachi Washington when they weren't even on the clock? Lemons. I was watching. What the hell? I get what lemon. Makai. Makai. Not Malachi. Makai. Malachi went to the. Yeah, the Cowboys.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Jake Rosenberg said clubs are not. Are not on the Clubs that are not on the clock may have discussions with representative of one or more draft eligible players not yet selected or discussion with players themselves regarding the player's interest in playing in the league, playing for a particular club or type of club, the player's health, or no other non financial matters. So long as these discussions do not interfere with discussions between player and clubs that is on the clock. So I don't know why, I don't know why Steeler will even have it. So Steeler, you're not really supposed to even talk. So guess what?

[Uncle]

So they, they, they, they in the wrong.

[Joe]

Look, you can have a discuss, you can talk to the representative or you can talk to the players. Ash.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Joe]

It says you may have discussion with the representative of one or more draft eligible players not yet selected or in discussion or discussion with the player themselves. So theoretically, since they weren't on the clock, they shouldn't have to have a conversation. Yeah, right. You're not supposed to be able to do that though, so. Yeah, I got no. Hey, so good. You're supposed to lose. You could talk to the, you could talk to the agent, but you're not supposed to be having a conversation with said player.

[Uncle]

With the player. With the player.

[Joe]

So still you. I don't know why you mad. What? Low down dirty D deserves another.

[Uncle]

Hold on. What, what player, what player

[Ocho]

was on

[Joe]

the phone with Makai Lemon when they weren't on the clock? They made it. Dallas does a deal with Philly. Philly land the Jets.

[Uncle]

That's how, that's how, that's how he ended up over there. Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe]

You're supposed to be able, you could talk to the, talk to his representative, but you're not supposed to be on the clock with the player unless you're on the clock. He wasn't on. The Steelers weren't on the clock because if they were on the clock, guess what? What? Nothing Philly could do, right? But since they weren't on the clock, Dallas say, hey, you know what? We ain't selected it. So let us go ahead and pick up a couple extra draft picks that might help us out down the road.

[Ocho]

Hello.

[Uncle]

And, And Makai Lemon boy, he upset too.

[Ocho]

Why you say that?

[Uncle]

Yeah, yo, he upset. He upset. He, he felt, he felt he was one of the better players in the draft and should have been going a little earlier than when he did go. He got, he got, he got a little chip on the shoulder. You got a little chip on the shoulder. Obviously, you know, there were rumblings and talk about the way he does his interviews and his mannerisms, the way he conducts himself when talking. But that's just him. That's just him. He's not Peyton Manning, he's not Tom Brady. They just don't like the way it comes off, the way he does his interviews. But hey, this man here to play football. He's here to play football. You know how he conducts himself when the camera and the mic is in front of him. That has nothing to do with what he does on the goddamn field. But he was pissed off and you can tell, you can tell. So I hope he go out there and do his, you know what thing.

[Joe]

It's reported that the Eagles will try to get in touch with Lemon, but he's on the phone with the Steelers. Cause you know, if it's draft and you on the phone, Ocho, what's the likelihood of you clicking over? Because you already on the phone with an NFL team. So whoever's calling is not nearly as important as who you on the phone with.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right.

[Uncle]

Not even close.

[Joe]

So they were like, well, damn, we tried to call little boy. This the number he gave us. Because you know, you gotta give them a number, Ocho, where you gonna be? They ask you for your number. Where you gonna be? Are you gonna be in Miami? You're gonna be in Oregon? You're gonna be here, you're gonna be there. What's the best number? Is there a second number? Nah, this is all the number I got.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So they try to get in touch with him. They like, well damn, he click over. Congratulations, Makai. We just, huh? I was talking to somebody.

[Uncle]

It's a dirty game.

[Joe]

Talking to them about what day it on the clock.

[Ocho]

Hey boy, that's a hell of a feeling though. The draft. That's, that's a, that's, that's, that's something you'll never forget, bro. It's something you'll never forget. It's a hell of a feeling. Yeah, it's nerve wracking.

[Joe]

Hell.

[Ocho]

If you didn't have anxiety, you probably got it that day. You feel me?

[Joe]

Yes, man. You know what I tell Ocho? Guys need to understand. It's not haha, it's where you go that's the most important thing. We've seen guys go high, go to the wrong situation. We've seen guys go to the right situation. Tom Brady and Flourish went to the sixth round. Yeah, maybe somebody else. Hey, he gets cut. They kept four quarterbacks in New England. That's unheard of. Four active quarterbacks on the roster. Coach Belichick saw something. He was so convinced that this guy had something. Say, you know what? Hey, just. Just do scout team stuff and don't even worry about it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

But you know, that's not the way to play. Is thinking about it too. You know, everybody wants to go early.

[Joe]

You're right.

[Uncle]

Obviously, money. Money plays a huge factor in wanting to go early. But the money so much is so different now. As opposed to when we were playing and when we got drafted. Hey, you can go and you can go in the goddamn third round and still be sitting damn near pretty.

[Joe]

Hey, second round is getting.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Compared to what first rounders normally get.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You do realize, right? I think all first rounders contracts are guaranteed. That running back got. The running back is how he got the most guaranteed money ever.

[Ocho]

50 to my love.

[Uncle]

50.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, what about.

[Joe]

I see why his parents were doing this all night. Yeah, they should. Hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho]

What about the kid who we had on here? Avion Terrell? He got drafted. By the Falcons.

[Joe]

By the Falcon. Going with Jordan.

[Uncle]

He playing with his brother.

[Ocho]

Man, that's so hard, bro.

[Uncle]

Hey, what? That's so. Hey, that's so dope, Joe.

[Ocho]

That's crazy, man. Oh, man.

[Uncle]

Hey, Unc, has it. Has there ever been a tandem of brothers that actually played together on the same team at the same position?

[Joe]

Not that I know of.

[Uncle]

Damn.

[Joe]

I can't think anything off the top of my head.

[Ocho]

Hey, and they both from. They both from here?

[Joe]

Yeah. They went to Wesley.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Uncle]

Hey, can you imagine that? AJ Terrell at once on one side and his brother on the other side. That's.

[Ocho]

That's.

[Uncle]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Joe]

I would see you could do that if you on the defensive side. I ain't trying. I wouldn't try to play with my brother. He a ball hog. They throw that. They throwing that ninja the ball, man. Man, I got drafted. He had just come off leading the league. He just come out to leading the league in. In catches. Damn. First team off road. 92, 93. He went back to back over 100. Nah,

[Ocho]

damn.

[Joe]

Hey, what.

[Ocho]

What kind of. What kind of advice he was giving you, uncle, when you were going through your process?

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, Ocho, they did have been a few.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Shaquille and Shaquille Griffin for the Seahawks play. Oh, yeah. One was a linebacker, the other was a DB.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Jason and Debbie McCourty played with the Patriots.

[Uncle]

Oh, no, I'm saying they, they. No, they, they. Okay, okay, you right. I'm just saying in the draft, I Mean drafting to the same.

[Joe]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Not drafting.

[Uncle]

No, no, no. They ended up. They ended up playing. They ended up playing together. I mean, actually, one player. What, your brother already been there.

[Joe]

You actually get grabbed the same team your bro. Not at the top of my head. Okay. And Derek and TJ Watt both played with the Steelers, but I think. I think Derek ended up when he was drafted by the Chargers, wasn't he? Yeah, Shaquille. And Shaquille was drafted. They both got drafted to the same team. One was a first round pick, and I think the other was a second round pick.

[Ocho]

They both got drafted. Seattle. Yeah, I remember that.

[Uncle]

Yeah, that's. That's dope. And that's. That got to be the best as.

[Joe]

Oh, what. What about what you call them, Joe? What about Cam and Casey Hayward? Both of them in Pittsburgh or he might not be. Was he drafted? What? The little brother drafted?

[Uncle]

That's dope, man.

[Joe]

Was he drafted to the Steelers or. We were the free agent.

[Ocho]

I mean. I mean, to be from here, though.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And playing for the foul, bro.

[Joe]

That's. Yeah, he was drafted. Connor and Kate and Cam Hayward.

[Uncle]

Damn.

[Joe]

It's. Yeah, obviously. I mean, you talk. Even if you probably got a handful of instances, Ocho, if you go back and study the NFL, maybe you got a handful of history, right? Instances in which guys have gotten drafted, brothers have gotten drafted, maybe they played at a later date in time, but to be drafted, right? Oh, man, that's. That's unbelievable.

[Uncle]

That's dope. Hey, as. As. As parents, they got to be one of the greatest feelings in the world. One of the greatest feelings. I mean, obviously, with. With Donna Kelsey, what she was able to do.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle]

I mean, Terrell, Terrell's parents. I mean the Watt family, the Manning family, all that. That. That has to be one of the greatest feelings, man. Oh, yeah. Ronda and Tiki. Yeah, man, that's dope. Pouncing.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Sonoris and Sonoris and Santana Moss trying to think, hey, did the list goes.

[Ocho]

That's dope.

[Joe]

But you know what, Ocho?

[Uncle]

What happened?

[Joe]

I mean, they got some very, very touching heartwarming stories, but I only know. I only know one set of brothers. They got these.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you right about that. Hey, I like. I like that. I like that. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Ocho]

Oh, here you go. Here you go.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Chelsea got Sir Chaucer gotta go with too.

[Uncle]

Nah, nah, nah. Hey, listen, I'm the only one with a 14 karat gold bus, you hear? Me. Hey, Chat. Hey, hey. Only one with a 14k. Wait. Wait till I get my arm.

[Joe]

Hey, look like you, bro.

[Ocho]

Hey, that don't. You got a little knot up there on your dome.

[Joe]

Ain't got.

[Ocho]

They got that little knot up there, huh?

[Joe]

See, you should. Hey, you should have been working with Chauncey. Got Chaucey. Got Chauncey to be playing football.

[Uncle]

Nah, Chauncey a Hooper man. Chauncey don't. He don't. He don't like. He don't like football.

[Joe]

He don't like that contact.

[Uncle]

Hey, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. You talking about. You talking about playing me? You my brother.

[Ocho]

Who was your brother? Nah, whoop your brother ass.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

Don't bring your brother in this mess.

[Uncle]

Hold on, hold on, Joe. Both of my brothers. My brother Chauncey, my brother Sam. I promise you that.

[Ocho]

Line it up there.

[Joe]

Line it up. Grind it up.

[Uncle]

No. You think you slick? You ain't. You ain't getting away from me. You gonna do. You gonna deal with me, boy. You gonna deal with me, boy. You gonna deal with me.

[Ocho]

I whoop they ass, too.

[Uncle]

Hey, but hey, you. Hey, Joe, you. Why? This ain't the NBA, Joe. What? We play street ball, Joe.

[Joe]

I grew up playing street.

[Ocho]

What are you talking about? I grew up playing that.

[Uncle]

Okay. Yeah. Okay, Joe. Hey. All right.

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[Uncle]

Your pronunciation is.

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[Uncle]

All right, man.

[Joe]

Ocho Anthony Richardson is reportedly looking for an extension of the McVeigh Shanahan Lafleur tree, which to learn from. This comes in progress. Malik Willis showed on the Matt LaFleur in Green Bay this past offset this past season. It led to a three year, $67.5 million contract with the Dolphins. Injuries limited Richardson to 17 appearances and a performance when he played, when he did play left a lot to be desired. He is thrown for 2400 yards, 11 touchdowns, 13 interception, while completing about 50% of his passes. Ocho.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Could a West coast system help Richardson revive his career similar to Willis?

[Uncle]

I think any system will really help him if he. If he lock in, it's not about the system he's in. It's about you locking in. It's about you taking what you do serious. Not rapping, not all the side quests, not all your hobbies that you focused in being. Being the first one in and being the last one out. It had nothing to do with the system. It's you. You know that.

[Joe]

That.

[Uncle]

That's all it come down to. Un. That's all. If the work you put in, the results show up on Sundays.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

When you don't put the work in, Joe, the results show up that you ain't put the work in, it shows up on Sundays.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Don't get mad at the results you didn't get for the. The work, the work you didn't put in.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Uncle]

That's all it come down to.

[Joe]

But, but, Ocho, you remember when we was talking about this. Let that man have other things.

[Uncle]

He.

[Joe]

He ain't got to be there all day. Now. Where they at in the chat, though? OO when you was. I was on this thing in the very beginning. Where y' all at in the chat?

[Uncle]

Now, that's the one position.

[Joe]

Let him do what he want to do. Let him. If. If he gets his work done. OO and I just happen to play the game at a very, very high level, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Extremely high level. You playing at a high level. I tried to tell him, if all you do is what the coaches ask you to do, you'll never be great.

[Ocho]

No, sir.

[Uncle]

Hey.

[Joe]

No, sir. But. Oh, y. Oh, your big mouth. You and OO don't know everything. I said, okay, I said but at that position, it's all encompassing. Hey, but I want to know. Chat. Where are y' all at now that y' all Criticize Ocho and I. Man, you don't know. I said, it's a bad look that he left the game because he was tired. It's a bad look. I said they had a team. Think about it, Ocho. They had a team. Damn. Meeting about a rookie quarterback. Yeah. I've never heard in my 14 years of playing. Yes. In my years of covering something of this magnitude. But the chat people that's never played want to tell guys that's been in a locker room, that's been leaders in the Rock locker room and what it takes to be great. But now they know more than us. But, okay, I'll let y' all have it. Now, where y' all at? Ain't hurt. Not one person.

[Uncle]

Yeah, it's different. Joe especially.

[Joe]

And people say, ocho, man, all sharp is bad. Talk too much. But you never said. I didn't know what I was talking about.

[Ocho]

Hello?

[Joe]

Hello. Boy, I'm sure. Boy, they sure talk a lot when you heard them say they don't know what the hell they talking about.

[Uncle]

That's the one position you can't take. No, you can't cut no corner, Joe. Hey, qb, you man, you can't cut no corners. You can't. You can't. You got to be. You got to be invested. I'm to about 24 7.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Uncle]

On the field, off the field, in the film room.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

And that's why they want to be. How great do you want to be at it, though? That's what it comes down to.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

How great do you want to be at it? Yeah, because you could be really good and do it half ass. Yeah, the same thing. Oo remember we said I was on what you call it when I was Undisputed and I talked about Kyler Murray, man, let that man have a life. I said, do you understand what it takes to play that position? And y'. All. I said, let this sink in for just a second. They put in his contract that he would spend x amount of hours away from the facility watching game tape. Do you understand what that means? Okay, I'm gonna let y' all have it. I'm gonna let y' all have it. Y' all know y' all right. Y' all right. Y' all right. You can do it. Both. You can play COD and all your time and your off time, you know, hey, you can do all what you want to do. No, but why you moving up the ranks and you. While you moving up the ranks as a COD player in the usa.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Or the world, you dropping in the NFL ranks as a quarterback.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because it's somebody working trying to catch you.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah. And if you ain't working, you don't get exposed on Sundays. Either way. Either way.

[Ocho]

That's how I go.

[Uncle]

That's the one position you can't. That's one position you can't hide on.

[Joe]

No. Hell no. You can't have one position.

[Uncle]

You can't hide. Joe.

[Joe]

Everybody else.

[Uncle]

Yeah, you can hide everybody else.

[Joe]

I can roll coverages.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I can bunch you. I can stack you. I can push you in motion. Yeah. The one position I can't plot is the quarterback because guess what? He got the ball. Every damn time.

[Uncle]

Every time. And hell, it ain't in. In the. To piggyback again off what you said at the beginning and then put him in a new system. Well, hell, Young Bull came from the Giants and did extremely well in the system that you just had yourself with the same players until he got hurt.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Ocho, you making sense, boy. Stop. Damn.

[Uncle]

Same system, same reason.

[Joe]

They ain't gonna like that.

[Uncle]

I mean, I'm. I'm just. Me. I'm just being honest.

[Joe]

You're being truthful.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

When we say this, you know, we. Tommy, we book dancing. I just, I want to listen.

[Uncle]

I ain't. I ain't one of them. So they know coming from.

[Joe]

We don't get the chances that they do. So don't f. The chances up that you do get. Yeah, there you go. Once you get there, it's easier to get there and stay than it is to get out and try to get back. Yeah, bro. You see the money that they give it and the cap just going up, bro. Make you three, $400 million and then say, kick rock. I'm gonna go smoke weed. I'm gonna play cod. I'm gonna play whatever else they got. Whatever. I don't know the video. I just know. Call of Duty. After you get.

[Uncle]

After you get your money, though. Yes, after you get your money.

[Joe]

Yes, absolutely. That's all I'm saying, guys. I won't. I want guys to get all that money because it's there for you to get it. But don't, bro. Don't let these people gas you up. Talk about you can do other things. No, professional sports is a full time job. A quarterback, just like, just like the NFL. NFL used to be a, a, a, a seasonal job. It ain't no more. It ain't no more because guess what, Ultra. There used to be times we didn't talk about football. In, in May was the the draft happened in April. You took a break. You ain't talking about in June. You ain't talking about July. You a talking about the guys went back to training camp.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Now they covering the draft. Not, excuse me, now they cover the combine. Balls to the wall. Now they talking about OTAs. Now they talking about who reported and when they're reporting. It's different now. And it used to be teams would give you an opportunity, they would wait for you to develop. They ain't waiting no more with you.

[Ocho]

Hell no.

[Joe]

No. They got too much money tied up. They say, hell no, we'll go get something else.

[Uncle]

They very impatient. This is a good thing. It's a gift and a curse. It's a gift and a curse, though, because now the. The impatience when it comes to owners and wanting a satisfaction of having success right away just by getting a high draft pick and throwing and giving them a lot of money. That's not the way things work. Now, that might be the way things work in business.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle]

Where you throw money at us, at business, and it gets you what you want. It don't work that way with young quarterbacks. You got to give them time to develop. There's a learning curve, Ocho.

[Joe]

You see that in business, if something not going well, what they do, they'll find a CEO and get another one. Yeah, he ain't doing it. They'll find another one. And they look at the quarterback as a CEO. Yes, but it. So they get his ass up out there and get another one.

[Ocho]

Hey, but look how many quarterbacks and came into the league as a rookie and really been effective. Like Runway.

[Uncle]

Yeah,

[Joe]

I'm talking about as a rookie, like RG3.

[Uncle]

The RG3 had a good year.

[Joe]

When you look at being effective. So you say, like being effective. Have good years.

[Ocho]

Yeah, had a good year.

[Joe]

Playoffs.

[Ocho]

Had. Had it to where you made the playoffs. And let's say you was, you know, you had a decent playoffs.

[Uncle]

Shoot.

[Joe]

RG3. Jaden Daniels.

[Uncle]

Jaden Daniels. C.J. stroud.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. First year, C.J. yeah.

[Uncle]

Hell, Michael Vick had to sit and wait. Carson had to sit and wait.

[Joe]

Brady sit and wait.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Peyton didn't sit and wait. But Peyton said, I'm wait. I, I just, I root for somebody to throw 27 interceptions so I can get off the list because I got the most interceptions that the rookies have. A rookie. Payton said, I want somebody to break my record. They breaking all the rest of them.

[Uncle]

Well, hey, Joe, Payton was horrible.

[Joe]

Boy, as a rookie, that came In.

[Uncle]

Oh, that's right. Dak.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cause he took Tony Romo's spot off. Dunk.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Got hurt. Yep.

[Joe]

Yep. Yeah. So they've been. It's. But it's hard, Joe. It is hard for that guy to come in and he got to be. And be the leader of a team, a first year, a rookie. It's tough. Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

Is it tough because of the game, the NFL and college? The NFL is a lot faster than college. Like, your processing has to speed up.

[Uncle]

Way faster, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Way faster. I mean, obviously, at that point, it becomes a mind game. You know, it's a mental game. I know it's a. It's a physical sport, but, hell, the game is 90% mental. 90% mental. 10. 10% physical.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Uncle]

Has to know what everybody else is doing. You have to know what everybody else is doing. And then when it comes to being able to read and process the defense, not only the route schemes and combination that you have going on, but knowing what the defense is doing before they even do it, so you know exactly where you want to go at the ball. So you're able to think. You're able to think and read and react fast.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Uncle]

I mean, you think about Tom Brady and you think about Peyton Manning, some of the greatest quarterbacks that there are. And they're not physically imposing. You know, they're not the fastest. You know, they're not the most athletic, but they beat you here every time, Joe. They beat you here every time.

[Ocho]

Process.

[Uncle]

That's their edge. That's their middle age.

[Joe]

You know, Drew Brees got benched. He was the reason that they got the number one pick, real pick. Remember that? They got Eli.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah. Oh, he said, I'm not going. Yeah.

[Joe]

First of all, he got benched for a Doug Flutie.

[Uncle]

I ain't know that. I ain't know that.

[Joe]

Yes. That's how they end up. They had the number one pick. They ended up trading it and getting Philip Rivers.

[Uncle]

Right. Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah. But also, Joe, you have to understand, you dealing with guys that's been in the league eight, nine, 10, 11 years, and you're asking a guy to come in and be the leader. Guys want you to prove it in this league before you lead them. They need to see you to do it. They want to make sure that you. You that guy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You show them you the guy and they'll follow you forever. Damn. Yeah. They watch it. They watch it. They see who the first in your quarterback. You can't be the first in. You can't Be the last in the first to leave. You got to be first and last. First in last to leave.

[Ocho]

No question.

[Joe]

Last. First. Joe.

[Uncle]

Joe, you gotta want it. Joe, you gotta want it. Yeah, I already know you gotta want it.

[Joe]

I got to. And you gotta want it more than somebody wants it for you. Yeah,

[Ocho]

yeah.

[Uncle]

Hey, I. Hey, hey. I might have been a clown and they might have called me all they wanted to, Joe. But boy, I wanted it.

[Ocho]

Joe, you were locked in.

[Uncle]

I would like. Joe, I. I ain't had no choice, Joe. I talk too much.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

I talk too much trash through the week, purposely. I'm finna give you bullets and boy material. This is. This what's gonna happen. And I'm gonna go ahead and practice and I'm gonna go do exactly what I said I'm gonna do. And ain't nothing you could do to stop it. Nothing. I don't care. I don't care what defense you run. I don't care how many people you put on me. Boy, you finna get this work?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Every week. Every week was. It was a challenge. It was. To me, it was fun. And I just turned the fun in entertainment. But I had to put the work in, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

I had to study.

[Joe]

And they'll see it once they see that. You serious about this?

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The work that. The way you practice, the way you meet, the way you study, the way you're prepared.

[Uncle]

That's why, Joe, the way with the way UN just explained it is why they never told me to stop what I was doing. Because everything Unc just said, that's what Marvin and all them, they got to see that part.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

The way I practice, the way I studied. I was sharp. I was sharp. See, the rest of the world saw the finished product. They saw the fun.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

They seen the trash talking. They not seeing all the work I'm putting in to be able to pull that off.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Nah, that's it. They know. And that's why coaches let him do what he did. That's why I didn't have a problem with my coaches, because they know. They knew how much time I put in studying. They knew how much effort I put in in the off season and during the season to keep my body right. They didn't have to worry about anything. But guess who else was watching. Your teammates.

[Ocho]

Hello. Hello.

[Joe]

They watch it.

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[Uncle]

Within probably 10 days, I put on 10 pounds.

[Joe]

I was having trouble stopping the muscle group.

[Uncle]

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[Clifford Taylor IV]

A win is a win, a win is a win.

[Ocho]

I don't care what y' all say.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor iv. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, the Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, you. This is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at Tick Tock Podcast Network on Tick Tock.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Uncle]

I got you, Joe. I understand. I understand there's certain things that I can't say, but I sprinkled it out there a little bit. You know, I like, like parsley. I sprinkled it out there a little bit. And you know, the fact that I said, when I do say it, most of the people don't believe me, but when it happened, they be like, oh, my goodness. Oo, you was right. So a small example of me knowing what I'm talking about, but nobody really paying attention. And goddamn, in February, I told you, hey, where did I say? And I'm sure we got the video evidence that we can pull back and we can use this proof. Where did I say A.J. brown was going? When they gonna trade him? What team I say we're going to?

[Joe]

Yeah, two months ago, Joe, I told him. I've been telling him since what, October? I said, oh, he up out of there.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah, he up out of There

[Joe]

what you talking about? You all you trying to do, man, this is what I don't like about the. This is what I don't like about us. Because he think he know everything.

[Uncle]

Come on, now.

[Joe]

I ain't not one person. Because we can go back and pull it. Cause we still got the comments what Ocho and I was talking about. Cause we got it, and we can pull the comments. You don't know what you talking about. All you do is think you know everything. You don't know everything I said, man. Y' all hear how this man talking? They winning the ball. They winning games. Oh, my thing went out. It came back. My bad.

[Ocho]

They tra. So they traded.

[Uncle]

No, Joe.

[Joe]

It was going to be a post June 1st.

[Uncle]

Yeah, post June 1st. But, Joe, listen, I was saying this two, three months ago, right? Football season was over. They were having discussions and talks about him going. I said. The first thing I said was, listen, young bull want to get up out of there if you acting while you in season. And then I'm thinking, what place would make sense for A.J. brown to go for him to still be able to flourish. Hello. Go back with your coach. You was with. And goddamn Tennessee. I mean, correct. With Tennessee. With Coach Rabel.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

So I said right away. I say, yeah, he going to the Patriots. I mean, it's common sense at that point, you know? And this was damn near two, three months ago. Everybody talking about, man, shut up. He don't want to go nowhere. What you talking about?

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Uncle]

I don't think y' all don't understand.

[Joe]

Well, guess what, Ocho? But you know what they gonna say? Oh, everybody knew he go get traded. You a lie.

[Uncle]

No, you didn't.

[Joe]

You a lie. Because all y' all don't. Don't come now. Oh, man. No, no, no, no, no, no. We want y' all just like y'.

[Commercial Voice]

All.

[Joe]

When Ocho and I wrong and y' all want Ocho and I admit that we was wrong. We got it wrong. I need y' all to do the same thing.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I want y' all to run it with the same passion, with the same conviction that y' all say uncle and Ocho don't know what the hell they talking about. Ain't nobody. AJ Say he wasn't going nowhere. They. They say they what? Go trade him. Run it with the same passion.

[Uncle]

Hey, I got all the tweets saved, too. Yeah.

[Joe]

When it actually happened after June 1st, we're gonna go back, and we gonna pull about 15 of them, so you better go take them down Cuz we like the job. Cuz we use all. All tweets against you. Yeah, cuz y' all just knew. Oh, man, he ain't say that. He said he didn't want to go nowhere. They said it wasn't go. Traded. Okay, Eagle fan. Where y' all at? I know we got some Eagle fans. Yeah, I know we got some Eagle fans because I told you during the season, they gonna trade it. I said, he wants to get out there. And you know what? It's best for the. It'll be a. It's the best thing sometime when you have irreconcilable differences.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Joe]

Let's go ahead and break this thing up amicably. Tell me what y' all wanted to hear. Oh, you just trying to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want y'.

[Uncle]

All.

[Joe]

What y' all normally do when Ocho and I are wrong. Oh, man. Just admit you was wrong. Now I want the Eagle fan. Now. Come on with it. Yeah.

[Uncle]

And. And the funny thing.

[Joe]

Come on with it.

[Uncle]

It's. It's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be a good thing. Gonna be a good thing.

[Joe]

Give me a piece of candy like the old people say. Joe, let me get a piece of this old candy.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. My grandma kept some candy. Help her.

[Joe]

But the thing. Hold on. The man catch a touchdown in the Super Bowl. He's a second team all Pro. He's a Pro bowl player. He led the team and receiving and yards. I don't know what else you can get. And he was unhappy. You remember two years ago, Ocho, he on the sideline reading the book. The key for blowing his top.

[Uncle]

Whatever you gotta do to keep you calm.

[Joe]

It got so bad, they had a meeting. The owner and AJ Had a meeting. He said, I understand your frustration, probably with something like, I understand your frustration, but can you not be so public? And I said, I don't have a problem because I'm firm believer you don't accept anything in a win you wouldn't have lost.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Joe]

I said, but you gotta keep it behind the scenes because people are gonna view you as selfish. You're winning.

[Uncle]

You gotta.

[Joe]

You had at one point, you had the best record in the nfc. I said, you're winning. Yeah. I say people are gonna look at you as being selfish because they're gonna look at it as like, no, you just want your stats, and then if you drop a pass or something happens, people are gonna become overly critical of you.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Joe]

I'm just trying to. Yeah. I ain't telling what somebody told me. Ocho and I speaking from. I got 14 years. Ocho got 11. So that's 25 years of NFL experience. Being in the locker room and seeing how things work. Yeah. That's all never meant nothing. I need you to admit. Don't tell. This ain't about Unc now when up Wrong again. Okay, I tell you what. If sexy Dexie go out there and ball out, I'll say. You know what, Ocho? That was a good trade. You were right.

[Uncle]

Hold on, hold on. It's go. It was a good trade. I'm telling it's gonna be a good trade. Because anytime we talk about football and I say something ahead of time, it's always right. It's always right.

[Joe]

I'm.

[Uncle]

I'm rarely wrong when I say this,

[Joe]

since you've been talking about your bingles. Your bingles ain't been to the playoffs since.

[Uncle]

Okay, that's just. That's one thing. That's just one thing. That's. Hey, now, hold on, hold on now. Don't you do that. Don't. Hey, hey, brother cowboy. Don't you do that down there. That's what we not gonna do.

[Ocho]

Because I chime in say fact. Nah, nah, nah.

[Uncle]

I'm just saying we talk about us not being to the playoffs. I mean, in the same goddamn boat. Now, you know, hey, if I'm rose, then you Jack. Now, don't. Don't act like that.

[Ocho]

Hey,

[Joe]

speaking of sexy Dexa, Tony Pauline speaks on Dexter Lawrence trade. There is concern that while Lawrence has shown himself to be a great player at times, he's not a very hard worker Monday through Saturday. But part of the reason wanted to be traded away from John Harbaugh.

[Ocho]

Hey, you don't want. You don't want that out there.

[Joe]

About. You said, John Harbard does what oo pads.

[Uncle]

I don't.

[Joe]

This is what I don't get. And I think they're talking about Z flowers. He said that Coach Harbaugh had them in pads, so forth and so on.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Oo.

[Joe]

If that's what you came into the league as, that's what you know. How is that a problem? That's all you know, Right. It's not like you've been somewhere else. You've been at the 49ers and they only get. They only in pads like on Thursday for maybe like 10, 15 minutes.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

If you came from that system and went to this system, I get it.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Joe]

But if that's All I know, when I played with Dan Reeves, we had the pads on. That's all I knew. So if I go somewhere else that they got pads on, I'm cool. I'm Gucci, because that's what I've been doing.

[Uncle]

Yeah, you know, that's probably word of mouth, too. You know, Zay Flowers, hearing other players that's on other teams, the way they practice, them not having their pads on as often, especially once you get later on into the season, the fact that they having pads on as much as possible all the way. All the way up to. And I mean, in a sense, I don't understand it. Where you. Where you want your players healthy, you want them light as possible, especially, you know, during the week, so they healthy, you know, for games on Sundays. Now during our time, during our day. I understand now in today's. In today's time, having pads on at every single practice, as many practices as you can get pads on them boys, you got them on them. Oh, that's tough.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But in the west coast system, for the most part, the west coast used to be that was the thing. No pads on Wednesday. You had them on for 907. You had them on for 907. It was thudded. You thudded up. Yep. Yeah, but then you take the pads off. Quarterback kept their pads on because they wanted to get used to throwing with their pads. Yes, sir, no problem. But everybody else, take your pads off, set them to the side. I leave mine out there because some rookie was gonna grab mine or he better. But anyway, we'll talk about. That'll be another show. We could talk about things that you got to do as a rookie or a player just coming up. But I don't get it, bro. You. You playing pads. I don't get that, Ocho.

[Uncle]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Hey, I can't even sit here and lie because. Hey, hey, Joe. Some days when we had padded practices, Joe, I have on the shelves, know the shelf, a little cushion you put on.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they call the spider pad.

[Uncle]

Yeah, the spider pad. Yeah, the spider pad. So the defense would already know they wasn't going to hit me no way, Joe. But they can tell when I'm not wearing my goddamn shoulder pads. I just ain't. I just ain't want that weight on me. I just didn't want that extra weight on me. On me, Joe. I want to be out there moving fast as hell, Moving fast as possible through practice, you know, And I wear them on Sunday. Sometime. Marvin would say something. Sometimes he wouldn't yeah, but hey, them pad of practice. Hey, Joe. It used to be hell, boy Z

[Joe]

flower want to keep his pads on. All that damn fumbling he be doing. That might be what that might. He might need to keep his damn pants on. Mike didn't have a hold on all. He said, I want you to dress how you would dress in the game. He said, if you wore pads, five pads, knee pads in the game. Where am I here to practice? Yeah, that's the only. That was really the only thing that he had. That's what we said until them guys started coming out there with damn, Tim's in house shoes, man. Ocho, because we'll talk about that another time, but I'm saying that was the only. That was the only thing that he had. If we come out here to practice, however you play in the game, right? That's how I want you to. Especially when we got on pad. So most of the guys, I mean, back then, they gotta wear pants now, Ocho.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I was like, damn, you go back and look. Go back and look at the 90s and early 2000s. Ain't nobody have no damn pants on. Harley, everybody had on basically was tight. They don't. They don't gutted the thigh pads, the knee pad that took all the pockets out. All they got are tights.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw do that. I said, man, if I ever. If I ever be good enough, I damn sure coming out my. I'm coming out mine.

[Ocho]

Hey, look. So when y' all got pads on,

[Joe]

y', all, they hidden, y'. All. No, we had. We had on tight. It's just like you wear. Like you wear those leggings up under your game pants. That's what I. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't took all the pockets out. They just basically spandex.

[Uncle]

Spandex? Yeah, that's it.

[Joe]

That's. They just basically spandex. All I had was a helmet and shoulder pads. I had no thigh pads, no hip pads, no knee pads, no mouthpiece. I had a helmet and I had shoulder pads. And I only had two of my chin straps, but faster.

[Uncle]

Yeah, I remember them. Hey, them some fun days. I miss. I miss it, Brian. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna hold you.

[Joe]

What you miss?

[Ocho]

You missed the ground.

[Uncle]

Yeah, I missed the grind. I miss competing, Joe. I miss competing. I mean, I miss having structure and discipline and having to get up for something. I. I need something to do and whatever that something is that gives me structure.

[Joe]

How about go to the bank and send uncle his money, huh?

[Uncle]

Hey, Uncle, I told. I told you. Hey, break in case of emergency. If you really need that 59, I got you.

[Joe]

He missed it.

[Ocho]

That man been said he needs.

[Uncle]

He just talking. You know he just talking. Hey, Joe, don't you. Oh, man.

[Joe]

Oh, no.

[Uncle]

We even. We even now. We even. We even.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

Say it again. Say it again.

[Uncle]

Even. Cause we betting every game, right? You owe me a hundred. Atlanta won the night, so now we done broke even. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. I don't like the fact that I can't pay you, though, because you ain't

[Joe]

see me in my money, my pants at home. Next time I'm home. Next time I'm home, Joe, because I got some of my game pants. You'll see. There ain't nothing. They just.

[Uncle]

Damn, Unc, you kept your pants.

[Joe]

I kept my game pants. Got shoulder pads.

[Uncle]

Got shoulder pads, everything. And I ain't Brian. I ain't got. I ain't Brian. Got nothing.

[Joe]

But they still got all my stuff. Flip, who's the equipment guy? Yeah, he was there. He was there when I was there. They still got all my stuff boxed up, all my shoulder pads, extra hit, my helmets, all that stuff in the box.

[Ocho]

Ocho, you ain't got no helmets, Joe.

[Uncle]

I ain't keep nothing. I ain't. Hey, Joe, let me tell you something. I don't know what's wrong with me, Joe. Hey, I'm. I'm. I swear for God, there's something wrong with me, Joe. I had. When I moved, I had a big place. I had a big place when I was playing out here, out here in Davey, and it really made no sense. And I got to a point where, you know what? I'm getting rid of this. I'm talking about 10,000 square feet. There's no reason for me to have a house that goddamn big. I'm not playing football no more. So obviously, you know how I am when it comes to financial literacy. Let's downsize a little bit. Let's get up out of here. Let's get in something we could. We can maneuver with and maintain the same lifestyle we had while we were playing ball. So I went smart in storage, Joe. I put stuff in storage, Joe. I let that storage there, Joe, maybe by 10, 11 years. And it got to a point where, you know what? Now that I moved into something nice again, I ain't got something big again. You know, when I wasn't bringing all that old stuff back with Me. And I done left that. I didn't let that part of life, Joe. I just let the storage go. So it was all. All that stuff, Man, I don't never collect memorabilia, Joe. I never have. I ain't kept no jersey. I ain't kept no nothing. Now, if I need it, I know I can go get it. If I want a helmet, if I want a shoulder pad or anything like that, I can go. I can find my old stuff again.

[Joe]

That's easy. I got all my stuff. I got college, my college stuff.

[Uncle]

College.

[Joe]

I got my high school helmet.

[Uncle]

Nah, I see. Yeah, you see, You're a collector. You a collector. It's just when. Hey, Joe. When a phase of life is done,

[Ocho]

it's over.

[Uncle]

I closed that book, Joe. I close it.

[Ocho]

I close it, okay? Okay.

[Uncle]

I don't care nothing about it. That's weird. I don't know why.

[Joe]

All the trophies, everything that I. Well, everything that I won in college, either my mom got it or my. Except my grandmother's house. And so when I got my own house, my grandma. My grandma told me, no, you can't take nothing out of here. They still at my grandma house. My mom got some stuff that I want in college. My MVP trophy. I gave it to my. My girlfriend. I don't know where it's at now.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, she got water.

[Joe]

She got one of my MVP trophies.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Hey, that's. Damn. They're, like, hard, though, too, Joe. You feel me?

[Joe]

Oh, I do. I got. I got. Yeah.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I got clothes. I got clothes from when I was like, five or six.

[Uncle]

That's too much.

[Joe]

That story I told about the. The white outfits that my. My mom dressed me and my brother

[Uncle]

like for church, for Easter.

[Joe]

For. For Easter. Yeah. I still got that outfit.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe]

that probably was. That probably was 75, 78. So damn near 50 years ago. I still got it.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. I keep stuff. We do. I. I get that from my grandma. I told you, my grandma had canned peaches and. And beans and stuff for 20 years that she tried to bring to the. The new place. Libby said, granted, this stuff ain't no good. She said, yeah, it is, baby.

[Uncle]

It's.

[Joe]

It's sealed. It ain't been open.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Gr.

[Joe]

This ain't the military. This ain't no vacuum. What? MRE Ready to eat Meals? That ain't what this is. Hey, Joe, you ain't got nothing.

[Ocho]

I got a little something.

[Joe]

I got.

[Ocho]

I got a few jerseys. I mean, I got. That's pretty much it. I got a lot of, you know, I got a lot of signed jerseys. You know what I mean? A couple basketball.

[Joe]

Like when you went to the All Star Game, you got people to sign stuff for you, didn't you?

[Ocho]

Nah. So. So, like, when we got. When you go to the All Star Game, it's a section where all the players gotta sign all these balls and all signed jerseys, and they give it to us. So, I mean, I went seven times. So I got. I got some nice stuff, bro.

[Joe]

I got some basketballs with some signature. They do no more. Them signatures on that basketball ain't there no more.

[Ocho]

Okay, I'm. I'm have to.

[Joe]

You.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, I can't tell you what. What every signature is, but, yeah, I got some. I got some stuff.

[Joe]

I don't know who they are. I don't know who they are now, but I. I didn't. The only thing I hate is that I went and I didn't get, you know, all the. I mean, think about it. I had Brady, had manuscript, Elway, Marino, Kelly.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Not one thing.

[Ocho]

So, hey, man, I got a question. And I. I want an Emmy award, Uncle Ocho. And I, I, I, I ain't gonna lie to y'. All. I lost it. I wonder. How can I? You think they'll send me another?

[Joe]

You have to pay for it, but,

[Uncle]

yeah, well, you want an Emmy, Joe?

[Ocho]

Yeah. And didn't know. Didn't know the significance of it, what show. I was playing here for the Hawks, and I told my story to Fox Sports like I was growing up, so my mom was in it. I think two of my uncles was in it, and we just told a story, bro. They came to my house, set up, interviewed me and all that. And so it was like halftime or one game. They came back, they was like, hey, they want to present you with an Emmy at halftime. I'm like, well, Emmy. I didn't even know what the hell Emmy was. I ain't going to lie to you. So, listen, I go out there, get the Emmy. I come back, I put it up in my locker at the arena. I put it up in my locker. And about two, three days went by, I talked to my mom. I was like, mom, I want an Emmy. And she was like, you want an Emmy, boy? Where is that? I said, it's in my locker. She was cussing me out, boy, hey, if you don't get that damn thing up out of there and send it to me. You know, people work their whole careers trying to win the Emmy. I'm like, man, I ain't know. But anyway, I had A flood here in my house when I was playing in Brooklyn, and it was nobody here, so water had been running for, like, seven days. It flooded out, so it messed up a lot of stuff. But that's one thing I couldn't find when I came back. I'm like, damn. I couldn't find it. I don't know if somebody hit me

[Uncle]

for it or not, but that's a nice accomplishment. Yeah, Joe.

[Joe]

But they're definitely. Oh, yeah, that's a, That's a, That's a standard. Yeah, we gonna get one, Ocho.

[Uncle]

Yeah, yeah, we. We definitely, definitely is, bro. We definitely is.

[Ocho]

That's the only thing, man.

[Uncle]

Hey, Joe. I don't know why, Joe, you know, after playing all them. After playing all them years, man, and having them jerseys, having them helmets and, you know, cleats and stuff, I don't know why. I, I, I don't see the value in it no more. I, I don't understand. I just, it just.

[Joe]

Even when you was playing.

[Uncle]

Once I was done. Once I was done playing, once I was done planning, I just let the storage go, man. You know, people. I mean, remember, dude found the store because I. I just stopped paying for it. And people would hit me on Instagram. They were. He was like, hey, some dude got your storage. And, you know, I'm like, man, I don't care, man. I bought a whole new place, you know, I done started over, you know, doing everything, and I'm not taking none of that old stuff with me. And it's funny how people see things that used to be yours and they value it more than you do. And in my mind, man, I don't left that place there 15 years ago. I don't want to bring it with where I'm going now.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

It's just weird how people think like that. I don't see the value in it no more.