Best of NFL News Part 2: Allen Iverson CALLING out the NBA STARS for LOAD MANAGEMENT

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 2: Allen Iverson CALLING out the NBA STARS for LOAD MANAGEMENT

Date: April 11, 2026 | Host: Shannon Sharpe (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Featured Guests: Ocho, Uncle Joe, Joe

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay brings together Shannon Sharpe and his panel of former athletes and personalities for a lively, wide-ranging discussion on current sports news. Key topics include Allen Iverson’s criticisms of NBA “load management,” injuries to major stars like Joel Embiid, the evolving demands of the modern NBA, trade news with WNBA star Angel Reese, the ongoing discourse surrounding player health and conditioning, and NBA playoff narratives. As always, the tone is candid, high-energy, and full of storytelling and friendly banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA “Trash Talk”—Dylan Brooks vs. Kevin Durant

(Relevant Segment: 03:04–06:23)

• The crew opens with a breakdown of Dylan Brooks talking “trash” to Kevin Durant, only to be humbled on the court:
  • Ocho: Appreciates Brooks’ antics for adding fuel and entertainment:

    “That man stumbled twice, he touched earth twice, and he just calmly knocked down the midi (mid-range). … Better watch who you talking to sometime. … Slim Reaper, he ain’t playing no games.” (03:42)

  • Joe: Emphasizes great players aren’t fazed by trash talk, recalling how LeBron faced similar antics.
  • Discussion about how such provocations can sometimes elevate legends’ performances.

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2. Jason Tatum Returns to Madison Square Garden After Achilles Tear

(Relevant Segment: 06:39–12:37)

• Jason Tatum expresses reluctance to play again at MSG, the site of his Achilles injury:
  • Ocho: Notes Tatum’s strong post-injury performance and believes he’ll be “just fine” despite psychological hurdles. (08:01)
  • Uncle Joe: Relays, as a competitor, it’s natural to be nervous but essential to power through.
  • Joe: Shares a personal anecdote of returning to play at a stadium after a severe injury:

    “It didn’t even dawn on me that, like, man, this is where I broke my collarbone last time I was here. … So much time had passed, I’m just happy going back.” (09:29)

  • The panel predicts the Celtics-Knicks matchup will be extremely physical as teams jockey for playoff positions.

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3. Allen Iverson Calls Out Modern NBA for Load Management

(Relevant Segment: 16:49–20:39)

• Joe reads Iverson’s recent statements:

  “Load management, they took me to the hell for allegedly not practicing. Now they crying about players not playing games… I played with every injury you can think of. To the point they had to hide my jersey to keep me from playing.” (16:49)

• Ocho:
  • Acknowledges AI’s “Iron Man” mentality but argues today’s pace and style are much more demanding.
  • Notes almost nobody can meet the new 65-game awards threshold, given the increased speed and physical toll of the current NBA.
  • Calls for increased off-season conditioning:

    “You probably gonna have to train a lot harder… it’s just the running part that’s really killing cats.” (19:01)

• Uncle Joe: Discusses the importance of building physical “callus” and always training at game speed to stay injury-free.

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4. The 65-Game Rule, Injuries, and Awards/Supermax Eligibility

(Relevant Segment: 25:15–28:45)

• Players now rush to reach the 65-game minimum to qualify for awards and supermax contracts:
  • Joe:

    “Just think if that 65 games wasn’t in place, how many more games would they have missed?” (25:15)

  • Makes examples of players like Jokic, Wemby, and Ant Man pushing to play through pain.
• Uncle Joe: Expresses concern about punishing players for injury—missing games forfeits awards and contracts:

  “That’s messed up… if you miss this amount of games, we can’t reward you for what your true value is.” (26:41)

• Panel concludes: rule is a collective bargaining result; players’ union agreed and now show “buyer’s remorse” as stars, teams, and fans feel the impact.

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5. Discussions on Joel Embiid’s Injury History & Sixers’ Struggles

(Relevant Segment: 39:36–49:39)

• News: Joel Embiid out due to appendectomy; ongoing history of missing critical playoff games:
  • Joe:

    “It seem like every time, this time of year, it’s something [with Embiid].” (40:45)

  • Cites a long list of Embiid’s injuries, noting he’s rarely been healthy for the postseason.
• Ocho & Uncle Joe:
  • Note Embiid’s ball-dominance clogs lanes and stagnates offense, making things harder for other Sixers.
  • Compare Embiid’s and Jokic’s impact—Jokic’s passing creates flow and opportunity for teammates.

    “If you ask me, [Jokic is] a pass first center who can score.” (45:41)

  • Discuss how rare it is for Jokic to lead the league in both rebounds and assists from the center position.

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6. WNBA News: Angel Reese Traded to Atlanta Dream

(Relevant Segment: 51:46–54:10)

• Joe: Announces Reese’s record-setting rebound career and immediate popularity in Atlanta:

  “Angel is the only WNBA player in history to average at least 12 rebounds per game in a season… Dream jersey sold out fast, not even her mom was able to get one.” (51:46)

• Ocho:
  • “Hell yeah, she a perfect fit. These people gonna get behind her. This is black Hollywood, brother.” (52:22)
  • Predicts Reese will thrive and be a star in Atlanta and the city’s culture.
• Banter about attending Dream games, the lively "club-like" energy at women’s pro basketball events in Atlanta.

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7. Jokic vs. Embiid – Philosophies of Big Men

(Relevant Segment: 45:04–47:21)

• Ocho:
  • “Jokic’s IQ for the game is much better, man. … He’s a pass-first center who can score” (45:46)
• Joe:
  • “That’s what makes him so unique. He’s about to lead the League in rebounding and assist. … You might not ever see it again.” (47:05)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Allen Iverson’s Callout & Context:

  “Now we talking about the game. Not practice. Not practice. We’re talking about the game. Don’t cry now. What them babies gonna do?”
  — Joe quoting Allen Iverson (16:49)

• On Load Management:

  “I thoroughly enjoyed the game and I never wanted to cheat the game.”
  — Ocho on his no-days-off mindset (17:18)

• On Embiid’s Playoff Injuries:

  “If you limp into a league, you limp out of it.”
  — Joe, on players with injury histories (49:49)

• On Jokic’s Generational Skill:

  “Jokic’s IQ for the game is basically like LeBron.”
  — Uncle Joe (46:03)

• Atlanta Dream Culture:

  “It was like, like you in the club. But it’s a basketball game going on and don’t let it be no, time out, Joe.”
  — Uncle Joe (55:00)

• Parenting & Competition:

  “Cuss words is nothing but the seasoning. And it adds flavor to what you’re trying to get across. That’s all.”
  — Uncle Joe on “sentence enhancers” and trash talk (67:31)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:00–06:23 – Dylan Brooks and KD “trash talk” breakdown
• 06:39–12:37 – Tatum’s return to MSG, psychological aspects of injuries
• 16:49–20:39 – Iverson’s load management critique, panel’s take on modern conditioning
• 25:15–28:45 – 65-game rule and its fallout for awards and contracts
• 39:36–49:39 – Embiid’s injury saga, Sixers’ playoff hopes, comparing bigs
• 51:46–54:10 – Angel Reese’s trade to Atlanta Dream, the city's pro sports culture
• 45:04–47:21 – Jokic vs. Embiid: Court vision and team flow

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The Episode’s Tone

The conversation is energetic, playful, and unfiltered—a balance of deep sports insights, playful trash talk, personal stories, and candid reflections on the evolution of professional sports. The hosts pull no punches while maintaining their signature camaraderie.

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Takeaways for Non-listeners

• The panel deeply critiques the current state of NBA load management and its impact on players, fans, and the business of the league.
• Allen Iverson’s legendary durability is held as a standard, while also openly recognizing that today’s game is more physically taxing.
• Frequent high-profile injuries (notably Embiid) are seen as both a function of modern play style and perhaps insufficient off-season prep and conditioning.
• The 65-game minimum for awards is highly controversial and tied to player pay and legacy—sparking ongoing debate.
• WNBA growth and the Atlanta Dream’s acquisition of Angel Reese is celebrated as a cultural and sporting victory for the city.
• Light-hearted stories about trash talk, parenting, and competitiveness round out the episode, mixing seriousness with comedic banter.

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For Sports Fans

This episode offers a robust mix of real talk about the NBA’s direction, player health, cultural trends in sports, and why fans still relate to the legendary grind of stars like Allen Iverson—even as the league (and its fans) wrestle with the trade-offs of the modern game.

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[Ocho]

This was nasty.

[Uncle Joe]

Let him go, baby.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Did y' all see how when he caught the ball, he looked left like he was going toward the pick, and he rejected real quick. Hell, Dylan Brooks didn't know what the hell was going on. That man stumbled twice, he touched earth twice, and he just calmly knocked down the midi. Hey, man, better watch who you talking to sometime. Yeah. Hey, Slim, this Slim Reaper, he ain't playing no games out there. I like to see when dudes do, but I like to see when dudes talk stuff. I like watching Dylan Brooks play in his antics. Him being emotional. Yeah, but hey, man, sometime they don't do nothing but turn some guys up, bro. It turns some cats up, man. To the point. Yeah. After the game, KD said that, you know, Dylan Brooks ain't got no effect on his game. That's a lie. That man. Hey, he, he, he, he made you going in that bag, you know, somebody go to talking to you, it'll make you pull out what you got.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah. And the funny thing about it, Dylan Brooks, he go with everybody, especially the better players. When he competing against, you know, the KD's or the LeBrons, he gonna antagonize you. He gonna get in your ear a little bit, try to throw you rocker.

[Joe]

But them great players, they don't fight, they don't bother. That don't bother them. That might bother lesser tier players. You don't play at that level. You think Dylan Brooks is the first guy to try to get up?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, think about LeBron. He had. How he had to deal with a blowing all in his ear, doing all this foolishness. Yeah, these guys used to it. Cameras called Katie said, my worst season is better than your best season.

[Ocho]

Hey, it's some truth in that.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, it's levels to everything, Joe. But when you're out there competing and you a talker. Dylan Brooks always been.

[Ocho]

You ain't said none of that.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he always been one. That gonna antagonize you. You don't get this work. I don't care what your seasons look like, whether it's better than my, Whether it's better than my, My best or not. I'm gonna talk this.

[Ocho]

And I think that, I think that they got by them getting traded for one another pretty much. I think that's kind of, you know, it may be a little something there.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Little bad blood. Joe

[Joe]

boy, you trade for Dylan Brooks with Kevin Durant. As much as you talk, you ain't bothered him. D line with JoJo, you know who to bother. Hey, D.B.

[Ocho]

come here.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm talking.

[Joe]

No, I'm talking. No, I ain't talking to you. I'm talking to him. I'm talking safety. You're a chalk, too, man. Look, I, I, I, I love it. You know, that's, that's what Dylan Brooks is doing is more to get him going, himself going than that impact. Because when you're dealing with those level of guys, right, it ain't got nothing

[Ocho]

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[Joe]

just. On the year after tearing his right Achilles tenant in Madison Square Garden, Jason Tatum will make his return Thursday when he and the Celtics take on the Knicks. Tatum said he's not exactly looking forward to it. Tatum said, I mean, yeah, I thought about it. I'm not like, thrilled to go back to and play there. The last time I played there, obviously it was traumatic experience for me. Obviously, I knew at some point I would have to get over that hurdle and played there again. So it's going to have to be this Thursday. But it's not like I'm thrilled about it, but it's part of it. I've decided to come back and play. So I'm not necessarily skipping certain games. I can't play back to back right now, but I decided to come back and play. So it's just another game on the schedule. Joe, are you concerned about those type of comments? Normally guys like, man, I was a little jittery to go back out there the first game back, because I am Coming back when many thought I was going to miss this regular season, but he's like, he's not looking up. It's a specific place. Normally, guys, it's not the specific place. It's like the first game. Now, if the first game was back then, his first game back. Joe.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right.

[Joe]

But now you've been playing two, three weeks, and so I'm get your. I go.

[Ocho]

I don't think. I think he going to be all right. Man. He's been playing great basketball since he's been back, especially over the past, what, maybe five or six games or so.

[Joe]

But, yes, it's natural if you had

[Ocho]

an injury somewhere and you get back in that environment or in that same place, that he's gonna think about it. Uncle Ocho, you know what I mean? Playing in Madison Square Garden, thinking like, damn, last time I was here, you know, it's right here in this particular spot where I was laying at when I tore my Achilles. It's gonna be in the back of his mind, but I think he gonna be just fine. I think he gonna be just fine. He looks great from, from his movement and how he's been playing. He's been shooting the three ball better, getting to the rack. I, I, I, I don't think. I don't think. I, I think he'd be all right.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. I think, Hey, I ain't, I ain't never been injured, so it's, it's hard for me to say what he would be thinking about. Obviously, if, if you had an injury and you're going back to the place, what injury actually happened. I think it's in the back of your mind, but being a competitor, you. You really can't let it, really can't let it get in the way. Are you actually planning and performing, you know, at the highest level, obviously, you want to go out there and do what you do. So I, I'm, I'm, I'm. I don't know. Joe, Joe, Joe. You and uncle that y' all be better to kind of, Kind of assess that.

[Joe]

Now that he's talking about it, I was like. And I. It never dawned on me, oh, in 99, I broke my collarbone in Oakland. The next time I played in Oakland, I went 96 yards down the middle of the field, scored a touchdown against the 2000 for the Ravens. That was my first time back there. It didn't dawn on me until now.

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Yeah, okay, okay.

[Joe]

It didn't even dawn on me that, like, man, this is where I broke my collarbone last time. I was here. It, I, I, it didn't cross my mind until we started to like he started like I tore my Achilles in in Madison Square Garden and I'm coming back. Like I said now, maybe I, it would have been at the forefront of my mind if my first game back would have been in Oakland, but because so much time has passed, had passed, I'm just happy going back to Oakland. Hey, I, I look and I, and I agree with you, Joe. I think the, the mere fact that he's been there for three weeks and he's gotten better and better and better and better, I, I, I don't, I don't think he has any, I don't, me personally, I don't think he has anything to worry about. I think that, that, that strong as

[Ocho]

it's going to be, but I do think, you know, considering that, that, that, that the Celtics are playing the Knicks, that's going to be a physical, physical game. Uncle Oo, you know, it's going to be a playoff game. See them big wings that they got? That's why, that's why the Knicks went out and got OG that's why the Knicks went out and got Bridges because of what to play against Tatum and Brown. So it's probably, it's probably going to be probably one of the most physical games he's gonna play since his return. If we just keeping it 100. I mean, because it ain't but a couple games left, everybody's still kind of jockeying for position, you know what I mean? So it's gonna be, it's gonna be pretty intense.

[Joe]

It, it is. And man, when you, you think about it, Joe, I didn't realize until like seeing like Jason Tatum's there.

[Ocho]

Jason Tatum likes, man, that boy tall man

[Joe]

here I was thinking all this damn time, he like 6, 8. Nah, that both are like 16.

[Ocho]

That's the advantage and that's the advantage that they have because you can play Tatum at the four and have, have, have your five out there. Obviously, when they had Poisonous or Al Horford, you know, they would play him at the four and play one of those guys at the five. But they gotta, they, I don't say, I won't say a totally different team, but they got different type of bigs now. You know, obviously they got Vusovic. You can shoot the three, he can spread the floor. Yeah, but the other kid, I can't. What's his name? I like him. Defender, rebounder, rim runner, lob threat, gonna play hard. And that's what they've been missing. That's what they, that's what the Celtics been missing. It's gonna be a good game tomorrow.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's gonna be. Yeah, it's gonna be tough. Cause you know what? And you can't take anything away, you know, out of the matchup because I think the Celtics beat the Knicks during the regular season last year and damn. The next. Damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they did.

[Joe]

They could.

[Ocho]

They had them a big body Bronson.

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Yeah. They have no answer no matter how. Think about it. No matter how big of a lead they had, Nick would just, just methodically just track them down.

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Yep. Because even the game Tatum got hurt, I thought he was playing great, but hell, they were still losing.

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Unbelievable.

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They were losing when he, when, when he got hurt.

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[Joe]

Allen Iverson is calling out modern NBA stars for load managing. This, this all hit different for me. Load management, they took me to the hell for allegedly not practicing. Now they cried about players not playing games. I played every. He said I played with every injury you can think of. To the point they had to hide my jersey to keep me from playing. True story. Now we talking about the game. Not practice. Not practice. We're talking about the game. Don't cry now. What them babies gonna do?

[Ocho]

Hey, look, I, I, I understand where AI is coming from. Hey, look, you talking to a guy who was iron man in the NBA for over a decade. Uncle Ocho, like I, I thoroughly enjoy what I, what I was doing and I thoroughly enjoyed the game and I never wanted to cheat the game. But I think we do have to take into consideration the way the game is being played today. Meaning it's a lot faster. The tempo is, is more upbeat, more up, more, more, more pace. And you know, back when AI and T. Magnum was playing, the game wasn't played this fast, man. You know what I mean? Yeah, Those dudes averaged 30 plus a night, but hell, they was the only one on their team who was doing that. You weren't putting up about 85, 90 points, you know, 95 points a night. It's just totally different, man. These guys play at such a healthy skelter pace and you know, it's starting to hurt our stars as we can see a lot of our. Look, look, man, can't nobody even make the 65 game threshold to even be, you know, in the conversation for any of these awards. You know what I mean? So it says a lot. I, I think the pace of the game has really, really has been upgraded to the point to where it's taking a load on a lot of these cats.

[Uncle Joe]

So, Joe, what you think, you think the answer is? Obviously fixing the issue is, is taking some of the games out because the pace is a little bit more upbeat now?

[Ocho]

No, because they ain't. No, not yet.

[Joe]

Cause you know, you play less games, you get less money. Ocho. Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, I mean, yeah.

[Joe]

You giving up some of your money?

[Uncle Joe]

No, but I'm just saying, how do you figure, how do you, how do you fix the problem? How do you fix the issue when you, when you start your, your superstars,

[Ocho]

probably you're gonna have to train a lot harder. If you asking me. Meaning, like in the off season, you gonna have to be, you gonna, you can't take no Month, two months off, bro. You kind of gotta stay consistent, you know, whether it's just staying in shape, running things of that sort. Because that's all it is, bro. It's just. It's the running part that's really killing cats playing at this ultra high level, you know what I mean? Especially when we get into postseason, you know, you can't take a playoff. You know, I know y'. All. We sit here almost every other night, man. I'll talk about, you know, playing the game of basketball is three and a half, four miles a game, bro. Can you imagine running four miles every other night? Every night, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Up and down. Yeah.

[Joe]

You definitely have to condition your body. You have to condition your body to withstand that kind of. And that's what Ocho and I was talking about, is that we played the physical game. They were hitting, we were doing all those things. They didn't ask us to go from 0 to 100 just on Sundays. We had to crank it up during the week. And I don't know if they crank it up like one. Like what we did. And I'm not saying the guys are not tough or that it's a different game now. We understand that, but. And maybe, maybe it's because everything get covered. The NFL is covered so much different than it was when I played and when you played, Ocho, and even when the beginning, when I first got into the league. But I don't remember guys getting injured like they get now. I don't remember it, and I'm not saying that it didn't. So I. So, Chad, don't, don't. Don't beat. Don't beat me up too bad. I just don't remember. The guys have acl, yes. The dive have Achilles, but not. Not these non contact injuries. Not the injuries that we have that we see now.

[Uncle Joe]

Look, look.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, definitely not to the stars.

[Ocho]

That's what I'm saying. It's happening to the stars, fellas. So that's. It lets you know that obviously they're playing a substantial amount of minutes, and it's obviously wear and tearing on their bodies to where they're breaking down.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. I mean, Uncle Joe, you know. You know, my whole thing is obviously, for one, it's hard for me to even have, you know, input on conversations like this, being that I didn't have any injuries. But I always say, I know I play around with nutrition, but forgetting nutrition, you know, for this point. But I think people are players regardless of what sports you. What sports you play. You have to learn to build a callus in the body, you have to. Body has to get used to, you know, ramping up to a certain. To a certain amount, to a certain degree that you do on Sundays. Which is why when I did practice, I always practice full speed as if it was a game.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, there was no relaxing. There was no, you know, you know, taking a play off. What? Hell, the funny part, I used to get cursed out and walk through because sometimes I would do walkthrough full speed. I mean, I wasn't doing it to be funny. I was doing it just so to continue to make sure my body stays acclimated and always at a high rate of speed at all times. And for some reason, I think it's those small things that I did that, that one of the reasons why I didn't. I didn't get hurt. And obviously I played the same sport unk did, Joe. A barbaric sport. I played very reckless, Joe. You know, cross the middle, you know, diving and hitting people. Even though I lost, every time I tried to hit somebody, I lost every single one, Joe. But I still never got hurt. And I'm out there talking. Everybody trying to knock my head off, everybody trying to kill me, Joe. But I still never got hurt.

[Joe]

You know, I mean, they call it walkthrough, but I was with a brisk dog. It wasn't no walking. And it's like, what? Hey, pick it up. I said, you said it's a walk through dog. That's just entitled. Ain't no walking.

[Uncle Joe]

Right, right, right.

[Joe]

You know, and I say it was nobody walk but the mailman. That's why he don't make what you make, right? And they don't gave that joke. Mailman don't even walk no more.

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on. I don't know about y', all, but here in Georgia, boy, they got some new mail trucks in, in. In the month, June and July. Them boys in ac.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you see, they sit real low, right, Joe? They sit real low.

[Ocho]

The mail truck is made futuristic now. Okay?

[Uncle Joe]

I ain't seen the male truck, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, Cuz them old mail trucks, they

[Ocho]

had a little slid door and had the one.

[Joe]

Had the one seat in there and the guy had the mail right there.

[Uncle Joe]

He.

[Joe]

He pull up there to my. Oh yeah, here you go. Hey, but he knew everybody. I mean that. I'm like, how you. How you know everybody? He done sorted the mail before he went out there. He know the route that he gonna go. Hey, first the first box I stop off, he can put the man, right here. But, yeah, man, the male. Them jokers, hey, they got on short, says you be sweating.

[Ocho]

Have sweat all in their uniform. They having that now. They living good boy.

[Uncle Joe]

They be clean now.

[Joe]

But, yeah, look, and the thing is practice. See, I. I enjoy practice. Practice was really the opportunity, Ocho and Joe, for me to really work on. Because this guy that, he sees me every day in practices, he knows all the little nuances on my routes. He know that little whistle at the top. He know the little head, the head nod to the top, or the three steps to the. Like, Nah. And the thing is, I give credit. Ronnie Bradford, Derek Dodge, Tony Vilan, they would always give me great feedback.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes.

[Joe]

They like, hey, they like, sharp. You got on your toes. I knew you was breaking it because I would ask, I said, bro, how you. How you knew that route? He said, man, I saw you get on your toes at the top of it. So I just took a. I took. I know you breaking in or out, So I just took the. I took the thing upon myself to jump under it, okay? So it kept me. Okay, make sure I stay off my toes. And I. I would. You know, BP would have it cut up. And so I look at like, damn, I gave it away. I gave it away. But I'm saying to myself, he don't know this. The guy that's in the game don't know this. But even. Even then, even though he don't know it, I'm trying to cut out because I don't want to give away no tendencies. Because we're. Tendency. Look, we study tendencies. We gonna get TV copy. That's why they tried to get the cadence of the quarterback. We trying to get that. We trying to get how you stagger your stance and jump off the ball. We're trying to get there whether you're dropping, whether you're coming, whether you're doing a TE or et, whatever the case may be. We're looking at all that. That's how. That's how the game has evolved. That's how the great player, they know, oh, we got a bird over here. Which means he about to fly. He about to pool.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He said, like, hey. Cause. And I had a thing was like, because I didn't want grass to get on my thing because, you know, I had those attackified gloves, and I was like, if it was. If it was a pass, I'm down like this here. If it's a run, I'm like this. Ah, Sean, you don't think we know, huh? What you know, don't worry about it. So I had, I had to pick. Sometimes you have to self scout yourself. But I agree with, I agree with AI. But I tell you what Joe, just think if that 65 games wasn't in place, how many more games would they have missed? Let's just say for the sake of argument, the 65 game isn't the cutoff. A lot of guys came back just to make a 65 game cutoff.

[Uncle Joe]

Right?

[Joe]

You're right. So we have other guys like Wimby. We'll be going to get that 20 minutes in the last three games. He ain't going to miss that defensive player of the year. He's not going to miss an all NBA because now that puts him in line for supermax, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Jokic ain't gonna miss no more game because now he's in line for a supermax. Ant man is gonna come back next year and do everything he can to make all NBA because if he makes it now, he's in line for a supermax. And guess what? In 2025, in 2027, 82 million Shay up again.

[Uncle Joe]

He just.

[Joe]

Shade just signed four years, 295 last summer.

[Uncle Joe]

This year.

[Joe]

This year he has it to the fact now.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, that's, that's crazy too when I think about it Joe. And, and I'm, I'm talking about the play, I'm talking about the top players, you know, the, the Cades and, and the Wimbys and some of the players that, you know, that deserve supermax based on their value and what they bring to the team skill set and what they're able to do and the fact that, well, if they miss this amount of games, that means we can't reward you for what your true value is. That, that's, that's in a sense that's messed up. That's messed up. The fact that they even agreed to that when. Listen, injuries is a part of sports. Energy is a part of anything, any sport you play. And the fact that now they're, they're kind of punishing players where if you miss this many games or you don't play this many games, you know what? We're not going to reward you with what your true value is because your ass always hurt.

[Joe]

Yeah. And guys were just sitting out and see, here's the thing. How do you. That's their body. You don't know. They could be hurt. They could be telling the absolute truth. But Ocho, when I got a game on a Saturday night and it's supposed to be a big Game. Or I got a game on a Sunday and guys sitting down in the street clothes and they got the ch. NBA said no, so don't worry about it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

We're gonna fix this.

[Joe]

Yeah. The NBA Pa. Signed off on it, Joe. They couldn't have done. They couldn't have done anything. This has to be. This is collective.

[Ocho]

You're right. You're right. Huh? You're right.

[Joe]

See, the player signed off on it, and then it's like, oh, I got buyer's remorse. Because this is really. Hey, this is really. This really hurting me. Damn.

[Ocho]

It's hurting the game, bro.

[Joe]

It is.

[Ocho]

I, I, I don't think I, I don't think I've ever seen a year to where we've had this many of our stars out.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Or, you know, missed. Missed a significant amount of time. I don't think I've ever seen it, man. I'm telling you, for real, I think this is probably historic this year. Seriously. Yeah.

[Joe]

And, and the guys are getting bigger, Scrap. Bigger, stronger, and faster. So they're gonna have to get. They're gonna have to get themselves in better condition.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they do, man. They do.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, you been in the gym yet?

[Ocho]

Come on, man. Come on. Stay in the gym, baby.

[Uncle Joe]

What's up? I'm talking about, like, you know, getting those shots, working on your lateral moving

[Ocho]

footage when I go tomorrow.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, I gotta, I gotta show these shoes I got just for you, Joe, and I. I got them literally just to play you, to make sure you got. Hey, Joe, you. Hey, hey, hold on, hold on. I don't want to leave and go. Okay, okay, okay, let me know. Let me make a call and, and tell them to bring my shoes. Hold on.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, look. Oh, I'm gonna tell his ass. Cat, raggedy. He don't even know it.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, I promise you one thing. Joe, I promise you one thing. The way you think and you talk like you finna drag me on my mama.

[Ocho]

No, don't. Don't bring your mom in this. Don't, don't do that.

[Joe]

Don't do that.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm gonna tell you, Joe. I'm telling you how it's gonna be. Joe. I know you wanted a grade and. Joe, I'd have studied you. Oh, Joe, I. Hey, hold on. I made a dv. I made a DVD in there, right? I made a DVD in there. I have all, all your, all your, all your, all your clips, right? Your best moves. So I've been watching your tendencies. What? The move you like to do Hey, 1, 2. And come back to the left and pull up. Joe, I've been watching it, Joe. I've been watching. No, you laughing. I'm serious. Tell me I'm lying. Dribble twice to the right, come back, cross over with the left and pull up right away.

[Ocho]

Tell me. I'm like, who raised dude, man? Okay, for real, for real. Who raised this dude?

[Uncle Joe]

For real, Joe, I got. Hey, I got the whole breakdown, Joe. I'm ready.

[Joe]

You ready for it?

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

Matter of fact, let me go get the shoes. Hold on, hold on. Cause she sleep.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe, did you watch LeBron tonight? Did you see how he came.

[Ocho]

Hey, boy, I'm playing with him, man.

[Joe]

Did you see how he came out tonight, Joe? That's what we've been looking for, man. Damn, they'll get. Get it. How you get it?

[Ocho]

Look, the man, what he got, 26, 8 and 11.

[Joe]

26, 11, 11 for 17. 11 or 17, 3 or 5. That's what I'm talking about.

[Ocho]

But that's what I'm saying. If he gonna just assert himself early on, them rest of them dudes will catch up, man. The game will be easy for them too. You know what I mean? Like, you ain't necessarily gotta just come out and be Magic Johnson right off. Dump to where you just facilitating the whole first quarter, man. Damn all that. I need you to get to it.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, he like, you tried to break Scotty scouts assist record trying to get 31.

[Ocho]

Hey, you see, hey, hold on.

[Joe]

We need, we need 35.

[Ocho]

You see Bronnie in there with 10 points, four for seven from the field. You see Brian, I think, hey, look, I don't know about nobody else chat y' all let me know what y' all think. But for me, when I watch the Lakers play, I love seeing Bronnie out there with LeBron for whatever reason, you know, I. I love seeing them run pick and roll together. I love to see Bron get assists off Bronnie. Bronnie get his like. Because I feel like this is so historic that it's happening in real time. And a lot of people can't even appreciate it. But I couldn't even imagine being in the NBA, me and my son on the same team. Bro, that just sounds crazy. What's this you got, bro?

[Joe]

And LeBron don't look at him as his son. Cause LeBron, he gave LeBron that bad pass against Dallas.

[Ocho]

He's like, bro,

[Joe]

He probably got home and Savannah like, hey, don't you yell at my baby. No More.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, you know, it's funny, all that cursing they do on the court, Joe. But you couldn't play with your son because the first time he cursed.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, man. Oh, you got them Kyries, huh?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Kyrie. Kyrie sent these to me. Hey, Kyrie be watching.

[Ocho]

Let me see what they look like. Let us see what they look like.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey. Kyrie be watching the show, right? And he told me. He gave me his blessing to give Joe that work.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna knock them damn tassels off them damn shoes, boy, when I get done with your ass.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you see that, Joe?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, that's what you. Hey, that's what you're gonna see. You're gonna see them tassels going right by your ass. That's what you're gonna see, huh?

[Joe]

Kyrie. Kyrie going back to his heritage.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, Kyrie. I appreciate that, boy. I love you. You hear me? I ain't gonna let you down. I'm gonna give Joe that work.

[Ocho]

Hey, they'll tell you they ain't gonna be able to mess with what I got. I ain't even gonna show you. You're gonna see them when? When you see me, partner. Yeah, that's how I roll. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay, okay. Hey, man, your mouth, Joe. Man, your mouth.

[Joe]

Now, Chad has finished as the number one seed his entire career in 20, 18, 19 and 20 and 21. At Mihaha Academy, he was the number one seed in the 2021 FIBA Under 19 World Championship. Number one seed, Gonzaga. Number one seed, OKC. Oklahoma. C, OKC. Number one. Number one. Number one.

[Ocho]

I told you what I told you on Ocho during the playoffs. I said the better Check becomes the. The better OKC will be. And he will determine whether they be a dynasty or not. Because if he played great, it's going to be hard to beat him. Look what he did yesterday, uncle ocho. He had 30 and 14. Yeah. Four blocks. You know what I'm saying? So he rim protecting. Not only is he scoring, but he rim protecting. He making the game easy, you know, for the guys around him as well. I think his growth and maturity for OKC will determine how great of a team that they are. Yeah, we know Shay Gonna put up 30 plus. We know Jalen. Jalen. Jalen Williams gonna do his thing. But if Check can play at a high level, man, they gonna be almost unbeatable. Fellas,

[Joe]

would you. Yeah, he. I mean, he's. Look, they just got so many. They just come at you, and it's just gonna be. It's just gonna be hard for somebody to beat them unless they have. And, and the thing is, what are the likelihood of them having four bad nights?

[Uncle Joe]

Not likely.

[Joe]

Four bad nights because they got guys that can shoot it. McCain was a great pickup, Caruso.

[Ocho]

Yeah. What's the lefty? What's the other little lefty who be balling a little light skinned.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, I know you're talking about his name Joe.

[Ocho]

Is his name Mitchell?

[Joe]

It might be. It might be, man. But Jerry McLean was a solid pickup because remember he was playing really well in Philly before he got hurt.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. He, he was a great pickup. You know, a very underrated pickup. You know, a guy who is hungry, ready to prove himself. Obviously he pro. He feels slighted for what happened to him in Philly. So, you know, he coming over there with, with, you know, with Avengers, bro. He, he look good out there.

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Nah, I'm just kidding.

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[Joe]

Kevin Durant scored 29 points as the Rockets beat the 76ers 113 to 102 for the eighth straight win. Philly was missing Joel Embiid after he had an appendectomy. The 76ers, who's fighting for a playoff spot, will be without Embiid indefinitely. He had surgery in Houston on Thursday after being stricken with appendicitis overnight. The Sixers have lost three straight and dropped into a tie with Charlotte for the eighth seed in the East. Joy Libid is just like, you know what? He might as well just call him Slip Rock. I don't know if y' all remember the cartoon Slip Rock, but every time you come around, bad stuff just start happening.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey. That. That appendectomy. That. That's not. That's not. You're not out that long with that, though, huh?

[Joe]

Yeah, you have to be there for a minute. Boy, they got to go inside and get them things up.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

That's your appendixes. Yeah. They open you up, Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I know they open you up, but I'm just saying, the time that he has to miss, obviously he'll be back. It's not.

[Joe]

I mean, not probably a week.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay. That's not bad. That's not bad. That's not bad. Long as it's not a significant amount of time, especially with him, you know, getting ready for the playoffs.

[Joe]

I think the thing is, though, Ocho, is that Joe, is that. Seem like every time this time of year is something.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You remember last year, it was his knee, and it's been his knee and it's been his back, and it's been his ankle. And like I said, I've never seen anybody with the only part. The only people that I've seen with more stomach issues than Joel and beat his babies. I ain't never seen nobody have issues like him. It's something. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. And I, you know, I'm saying that tongue in cheek, but he's had issues with his stomach before, and Pen decided there's nothing you can do.

[Ocho]

I heard it's very painful from people

[Joe]

that have had it. It's like, oh, bro, they got you hey, if they have you doubled up and clearly you do emergency surgery. But it's just like it's one thing after another. I don't know. I'm trying to think the time maybe once in his career that he's entered the post season and he's been healthy in his career and he's been in the league 10 years. One time of all those years. Cause we see what he. Boy when he's healthy, the regular season.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, he had. He had to deal with. Wait, hold on. Has there been a season if he's been in the league 10 years, I'm not sure how many years he's been in the league. Has he had a complete season? We've been able to play 80, 82 game season. Or is he two games and he

[Joe]

ain't gonna ever play 82 games because of the size. There was a couple of seasons Ocho where. And Joe, you remember that he was having MVP caliber year. He ended up winning one that he was playing probably 68, 70 games.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe]

But. But then come playoff time knee. Because remember last year he was like, what was it last year or two years ago that he was like barely get. That might have been. Was that last year might have been last year might have been. Or two years ago that he was

[Uncle Joe]

like

[Joe]

30, looked like he's about 40. Yeah, yeah, but when he's. But when look when he's healthy and that's a big win. And that's probably why, you know, they haven't enjoyed the success that they've looked that they, that they wanted to have. Even when Harden was there because he couldn't stay healthy. And then when they had been. Simmons, he had some issues. And then Ben had the issue with the Hawks and they had the issue with the Hawks and they ended up losing to the Hawks in seven games. And I said that they're never going to be the same. It's over for them. They're going to break that team up. I said, jordan, I said, Ben Simmons. For Doc to say what he said, for Joel to say what he said.

[Ocho]

I said it.

[Joe]

I said, oh, man, you don't know what you're talking about. I said, okay. And then Philly, Philly, you may, you know, you know, I enter that is Ojo and Joe, man, they had a trash can going down. It was flooded and there was a trash can and people talking about this Ben Simmons. I said, oh, yeah, so it's definitely over now.

[Uncle Joe]

You gotta try.

[Ocho]

You gotta trust process over with here you talking that process. Hey, listen, and this is what I'm talking. This is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about, though. When MB don't play you, you look at Max and Edgecomb numbers, they'd be totally different, bro, you know? Yeah, Embiid is a ball stopper, Uncle Ocho, meaning there is not a lot of movement. He, yeah, he gonna get you 25, 35 points a night. But the rest of these dudes around him, they ain't gonna really be doing a whole lot, you know what I mean? Because he's so stagnant offensively. And there's no rhythm, there's no flow. So, you know, you got a rookie like Edgecomb who thrives in transition, you ain't gonna get many transition buckets, bro, you know what I mean?

[Uncle Joe]

Because you saying Embiid taking up space,

[Ocho]

I'm saying because he's so ball dominant, when the ball gets in his hands, it stops. It don't move, you know, he ain't moving around, setting too many picks and rolling, you know what I mean? It's just not a lot of flow and rhythm in the game. So it hurts everybody else around him. Yeah, he can score in a half court set, you know, that's what he. But you know, the glaring thing is he doesn't give you. He doesn't give you much defensively, you know what I mean? He's spending all. He expanding all his energy on the offensive end, you know, letting you know that, look, I can still get 30 at night, you know, and we know that. But defensively, you don't see a whole lot of shot blocking from him. You don't see a whole lot of great defense.

[Joe]

And that, that, that, that's kind of

[Ocho]

got Philly behind the eight ball. So I don't expect much from Philly. I'm gonna be honest with y'.

[Uncle Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

They gonna be a first round exit.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, and, and what? You know what? I got a question.

[Joe]

Because they're in the right now. They're in the play in. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Now I'm gonna say, why are we on the top again? B. Right? That year he won mvp. Who was the other person that went right behind? Who was run up if I'm not. If Yoko just run up, right? And think about Joe. Think about all the things you just said about everything becoming stagnant offensively when, when Embiid is playing, right? So when you look at, when you look at Joker when he plays, what's the difference in what Joker does and what Embiid does, being that he's a defensive liability as well.

[Joe]

But.

[Uncle Joe]

But still put up 30.

[Ocho]

You don't see them. You see them assist number Jokic got.

[Uncle Joe]

He's obviously. He's not the passer. He's not the passer.

[Ocho]

Jokic is. Jokic is.

[Joe]

If.

[Ocho]

If you ask me, he's a pass first center who can score.

[Joe]

He's a look and score who can.

[Ocho]

Like, you know, okay, boom. He ain't open on the cut. Y' all ain't y' all playing me one on one. Okay, cool. I'm just gonna go for 50 tonight. Don't even worry about. You know what I mean?

[Uncle Joe]

Right?

[Ocho]

I think Yokish IQ for the game. Ocho is just look much better, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hold on. Hey. Yoga's IQ for the game is basically like LeBron.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Correct.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because when you come with the double team, he knows where you come. Depending on who comes, he knows where he's supposed to be.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So his man is open. That's why he throws so many passes behind his head, because he know the man came from the weak side.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

And so he knows that whoever's in the dunker spot, whether it's Chris with Kristen Brown or whether it's Gordon or whether Strother or whether it's Peyton Watson, he knows they're there. So I can go behind my back because I know somebody's feeling from the Dunkin's. Yeah.

[Ocho]

And that's just.

[Joe]

He gets that ball at the nail, he knows you can't come double him. If you do come double him, you double somebody in the middle of the court.

[Ocho]

Are you crazy?

[Uncle Joe]

Nah, you can't do that and give him both fights.

[Ocho]

And that's just. That's just. That's just having a great feel for the game, fellas. You know, knowing. Knowing exactly where your guys are supposed to be at at all time. That's what a point guard does. Your center. Your center never really. Who never really operates like that. This is why Yokage is so great. It ain't.

[Joe]

It ain't.

[Ocho]

You know he gonna put up a triple double. It's. Cause he gonna. You know, he gonna do what he can. I mean, he gonna score the ball if he had to score it that night. If he need to get 20 assists, hell, he gonna do that. If he need to get 20 rebounds, he gonna do that. He gonna do whatever it takes for them to win, and that's why they've

[Joe]

been successful, and that's what makes him so unique. He's about to lead the League in rebounding and assist. And you might not ever see it again because normally if. When. When guys lead most. Most of the time, when guys obviously lead the league in assists, it's hard to ask a guard to lead the league and rebound. So think about it now. You got a center that's leading the league and rebounding, and he's going to lead the league in assist. Check this out, guys and Harris. Joel Embiid's playoff injury history A. 2018, he had an orbital fracture and a concussion. 2019, he had an illness knee tendonitis. 2020, Kobe bubble. 2021, torn meniscus. 2022, orbital fracture, torn thumb ligament. 2023, knee sprain. 2024, Bell palsy. 2026 deciders one week before the playoffs start. 1819, 2021, 22, 23, 24, another 25. So basically eight of the nine years he's had something going into the playoffs.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey. Hey. Who the hell is Bill Paulsey?

[Joe]

It's a. It's a. It's a debilitating day. That called. Sometimes you see it the mild crook.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

You know.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay. Yeah, okay. Okay.

[Joe]

I think it's a neurological stink. Had it marks. Laurel.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think.

[Joe]

No, he had Gillian Beret. He had Gillian Beret. He didn't have Bell palsy. But sometimes you see guys and their mouth be crooked. It's almost like it reminds people of a symptom, like a stroke. You know, sometimes people have a stroke and speech or they have hands or something. It's kind of like that.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay.

[Joe]

But I don't think anybody's had wounds looked like. Oh, man, that joke got buzzard.

[Ocho]

Look, man, it's unfortunate for him too, man, because, you know, it seemed like all this really, really started happening after that MVP year too. You know what I mean? After this MVP year, it's like everything started going downhill for me.

[Joe]

Nah, Joe, he was hurt before the MVP.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe]

2018, he had an orbital fracture and a concussion. 2019, he had an illness and knee tendonitis. 2020 was the bubble. 2021, he had a torn meniscus. 2022, he had another orbital fracture and a torn thumb knee ligament. 2023, he had a knee sprain. 2024, he had Bell's palsy. 2026, he had appendicitis.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

So, I mean, he's been. If you think about it, Joe, think about coming out of college, what was it? He'd have been the first pick in the draft if it's back. If his injuries wasn't.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So normally, when you come. If you limp into a league, you limp out of it.

[Uncle Joe]

You limp out of it.

[Joe]

You limp into the season, you limp out of it. Cause, you know, Joe, being injured during the season, it's hard to get help.

[Ocho]

It is, bro. It's hard to get because the games come too fast. You know what I mean? Especially in basketball, football, you know, you make it, nurture your injuries a little. A little better. But in basketball, hell, if I'm playing four games and five nights, hell, I'm probably gonna have to sit out one

[Uncle Joe]

or two of them games to get yourself back, right?

[Ocho]

Damn. That's crazy, man.

[Joe]

It's tough. I. Look, I. I've dealt with injuries. I mean, I have. I mean, I played 14 years and, you know, had some success. But, Joe, I missed. And ocho, I missed 16. I missed. I missed 16 complete games. That's a season. Yeah, that's a season.

[Ocho]

Damn, man. That's unfortunate, man. That. That. That hurts. That hurts Philly a lot, bro. Because, you know, MB will be great in the postseason, the playoffs, because. But without him, they definitely ain't got no chance.

[Joe]

Joe, you said something very interesting. You said, like, when Joel Embiid is out, you look at Maxi Max and you look at vj. Yes, because he called the lane up. Maxi can take you off the dribble. But Joel Embiid is right there. Edgecombe is explosive, and Pete is right there. The difference is, if you. If you notice, they rarely. If you look at where Jokic. Jokic post up at, he always post up. He's either at the nail or at the top. Cause and even if he ever gets down on the block, he's looking to go cross court. He looking. You better not bring no double team on.

[Ocho]

He looking to pass first. You're right. Absolutely.

[Joe]

Chicago sky have traded two time WNBA Allstar Angel Reese to the Atlanta Dream for first round draft picks in 27 and 28. Angel is the only WNBA player in history to Average at least 12 rebounds per game in a season, which she did in 20, 25, 24 and 25. The angel's dream jersey sold out fast. Not even her mom was able to get one. Damn. Lisa Leslie gave Angel the nickname ATL Peach Barbie. Joe seemed like angel got what she wanted. She's a perfect fit. Is she a perfect fit for the city?

[Ocho]

Hell, yeah, she a perfect fit. These people gonna get behind her. Y' all already know it. Y' all know how they listen. This is black Hollywood, brother.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir. They gonna embrace her and everything that she does. You know, whether she. She may even come out with her own shoe now. Does she already have a shoe? No.

[Joe]

Yeah. I think she got a rebound. She was shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She got a shoe. Shoe. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, but hold up, though. Yeah, yeah, you're right. She does. She does have a shoe. With Reebok. You're right. But if. If we can keep Brittany Griner and have Angel. Hey, man.

[Joe]

Cause. Cause with the chick from. What's the name? From. From. She went to Kentucky. She's number one. Overdraft pick. Ryan Howard.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, Ryan Howard.

[Joe]

We got a great.

[Ocho]

Hey, they got a. They got a good team, bro.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

They got a good team. And adding her rebounding machine. Play hard, hustle. Yeah, man. It's gonna be a great fit for her.

[Joe]

I like it. I think everybody got what they wanted. I think, you know, after kind of some of the comments that she made last year, I think Chicago was ready to move on. I think she was ready to move on. Ideally, I. I think this is. You can't get any more perfect than this.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you can't.

[Joe]

Hey, she's from the dmv. She can't. You. You can't get it any better than this.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Only thing, I think Washington has a team, but this is where. This is where she needed to be.

[Ocho]

This is it, Reese.

[Joe]

Hey, this is heaven for her. Yeah, this is it.

[Ocho]

She gonna. She. She gonna love it here. And you know what's funny, bro? My daughter, 12, and she love Angel. Reese, that's, like, a favorite player. I swear, I can't make this up.

[Joe]

So we definitely got your ass at all the games.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we're gonna be in some games. Hey, hey, Angel. Reese, if you. If you watching this now. No, I need to give my baby girl a picture with you. You know, we're gonna come, check you out, support you, so, you know, good

[Joe]

luck in the A.

[Ocho]

These people gonna get behind you for sure.

[Joe]

I'm in the city. Where they at? Yeah, you know who I got? I got Asia. Yeah, I got Asia. I got Chelsea Gray. I got Jackie Young.

[Ocho]

Hey, we're gonna. Hey, I'm out of coming down there, man. We're gonna go.

[Joe]

We go to a game.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. What's up, Ojo?

[Uncle Joe]

Where we going,

[Joe]

man? Hey, Joe, you ever.

[Uncle Joe]

You ever been to a Dream Game before?

[Ocho]

Hell, yeah. I'd have been to a few.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, boy, I went to one. Remember? Remember I went to the Dream Game that one time?

[Joe]

Yeah, you went to. Yeah, you told me it was lit, man.

[Uncle Joe]

I. Joe, I ain't never get this thing.

[Joe]

Let my boy dj.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe. I ain't never seen nothing like that, boy.

[Joe]

It's different.

[Ocho]

It's different at the women's games. The dream is different out here.

[Uncle Joe]

It was nice. It was nice, Joe. It was like. Like you in the club. But it's a basketball game going on and don't let it be no. Time out, Joe.

[Joe]

That's how the Hogs game is, Ocho.

[Ocho]

That's how the hoes game.

[Joe]

Can you imagine what Magic City night on steroids. So imagine the Hogs. That's how it is.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

What they dressed up like the club, Ocho. Yes, Lord. Oh, we're going down.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Joe]

You just like the club.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I know. You happy. You know, you. You gonna have Cambodia with you. You ain't you. You gonna have them blinders on.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe ain't doing nothing.

[Joe]

We gonna keep him clean. Cambodia. Yeah, go to Houston. But I. I like.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, I could have walked my

[Joe]

credit card, declined any Houston thing. Anything that got Houston on it, it declined it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. I could have wore my cheetah pants to the game, huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah, you could have warm, Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, when nobody had these things on.

[Joe]

Hey, look.

[Ocho]

Cause it really ain't gonna hurt you to look at the menu. You ain't trying to order nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I mean, matter of fact, Joe, I ain't gonna look at the menu, Joe.

[Ocho]

You ain't gonna look. I mean, you got eyes, Ocho. You ain't.

[Uncle Joe]

I got eyes. But hey, hey, hey. The stuff on the menu ain't nothing like what I got now.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I know, I know. I get it. I get it.

[Joe]

I mean, Ocho, just cause you army, you ordered a wagyu, but sometimes you look at the chicken parm, you're like, damn. Maybe I should, you know. I'm just saying. Don't you just look at you. That's all I'm saying. Just because you don't order it doesn't mean you can't read the menu. You just can't order. Again, off the menu, that's all.

[Uncle Joe]

I can't. I can't read. I can't read. Okay? I can't read.

[Joe]

I ain't mad at. Yo, Joe

[Uncle Joe]

boy.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, you know, I've been. I'll be in Atlanta, Joe. We might have to go, you know, go to do something.

[Ocho]

Oh, we got. Yeah, we gotta go check them out, huh?

[Joe]

No, I'm talking about being, you know, me. And you go. You know me, you man, you Hang the weekend. Oh, yeah. Say less. What you want.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, we going this weekend?

[Ocho]

No, we're gonna go by.

[Joe]

Yo, I. I talked to y'. All.

[Ocho]

Lying. Yeah.

[Joe]

All right. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

But I was.

[Joe]

As we were saying, I think this is a great fit. Atl, Peach Barbie. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, y' all put me in the group chat.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, I do want to check out that little spot you were talking about, though. That. That one little spot. You know what I'm talking about?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Say no more.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I. I pay. I pay for us.

[Joe]

No, no, no.

[Uncle Joe]

I pay. I pay. Hey, Joe, you got my message today on Instagrams and Twitter.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I see. Okay. I see you in there doing your little yummy.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, Joe boy, that ain't.

[Ocho]

That ain't enough, though. I'm gonna keep it real with you.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay?

[Ocho]

Ain't enough. You know, my reach, my Reese.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I mean, hey, Joe. Joe, I'm coming up under that. I'm coming. I'm coming up under all that now.

[Ocho]

You seen how Fedora done?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, my last name ain't Thurman. My last name Johnson. But, hey, I would talk. I would talk a basketball. I was talking basketball. But if you want to go. If you want to go that route, I mean, we just gotta get.

[Joe]

We just.

[Ocho]

In order for us to really hang out, Ocho, we gotta get the fade out the way. That way I can feel good about myself. Cause it's gonna be hard for me to hang out with you. You know, knowing you the high side of me. You the high side of me. And I posed to just live with it. Like, I. I just need three minutes, bro. Then, you know, I give you a hug. I still love you.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Honestly. Honestly, Joe, what's up? Like, you probably ain't gonna want to be my friend, you know? Cause I'm gonna turn your ass every way but loose. You hear me? Hey, Joe. Hey, hey, listen, you. I love you like a little brother, man. You know? But, I mean, it is. It is what it is. I'm trying to hoop, okay? What I want to see is, I want to see you catch that ball in the block in the low post or the high post and try to do all the moves you be doing.

[Ocho]

That's cheating. I ain't gonna even post you up. That's not.

[Uncle Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. It's not cheating, Joe. It's not. My strength is my lower body, my lower extremity. So I'm ready up here. I'm good.

[Joe]

Hey, I don't think.

[Ocho]

I don't think. I don't think your lateral movement that great. That's why when I get you moving side to side and I get to hit you with that, that you ain't gonna.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, time out. Time out. Joe, you talking to the. You. You talking to the person with the greatest feet to ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You good in a straight line like

[Uncle Joe]

no straight line, Joe. I'm good.

[Joe]

He got football feet, Joe. You say he ain't got no boxing feet?

[Ocho]

Yeah. He ain't shuffling. He ain't keeping nobody in front of him.

[Uncle Joe]

All right, all right. Okay. You know, I don't even want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it no more.

[Joe]

All right, Let it go.

[Uncle Joe]

You gonna get what you're looking for.

[Joe]

Okay. Say, last partner.

[Ocho]

I'm right here, baby.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, you. You probably drunk right now, that's all.

[Ocho]

No, no, I ain't drunk. I'm feeling good.

[Joe]

Yeah, I got. We got a little buzz going on, too, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I got. You see. You see me? I got my little portiere, too.

[Ocho]

I see. I see. I see. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yep. You over there, Joe. River. This is about high school, Ocho. Talk about college.

[Ocho]

Y' all tripping, bro. High school was fun, man.

[Uncle Joe]

It was.

[Joe]

It was fun, but once I left, I really, you know, that was it for your boy. I mean, you know, like I had said, like, when I left, my girlfriend was still in college. I mean, still in high school. Mine, too. Yeah.

[Ocho]

When I was a freshman in college.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn. I wonder what. Hey, what? My. Is it.

[Ocho]

Is it.

[Uncle Joe]

Is it weird to wonder where your girlfriend from high school is at this point?

[Joe]

No, I. I mean, I. I haven't thought about it, actually.

[Uncle Joe]

Right. I mean. I mean, we talking about it. I just wonder how she's doing. I wonder if she's okay. I'm. I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm curious. That's.

[Joe]

Well, I mean, last. Last I heard, she had two. She had two kids. I mean, her kids grown now, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So. Yeah. I mean, my high school, my college girlfriend, she had two more kids, right? They're grown. I mean, close to being grown.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But no, I mean.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, that's crazy, Joe. When I think about it, Joe, I only dated two people in high school.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, Literally, I'm like. Like, Dad's here is really only two people.

[Joe]

I mean, that don't mean you ain't shag nobody just because you date. Okay. Date. You had two girlfriends, but that don't Mean, you ain't put it down.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm talking about serious dating. Obviously. My oldest daughter, I dated her mom in high school and one other person after that, and that other person after that.

[Joe]

I'm curious, how old is your oldest?

[Uncle Joe]

27.

[Ocho]

Oh, so you, oh, so you got a child with your high school sweetheart?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She took advantage of me, Joe.

[Ocho]

You were young, didn't know no better.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I was irresistible back then, Joe. If you think I look good now, you should have seen me in high school, Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. You laid up when you.

[Joe]

Man.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I was, I was. Hey, I. I was, I was a little funny. I was a little funny looking dude back then. I was funny looking back at. Hey, Joe. I could drip, but I put that, I put that thing on, Joe. I'd be out there clean with my clogs and my ballies, my polo sets, you know, my Tommy Hill figure said, Joe, you know, my jean starched up to the tee with the white tee with the, with the. Hey, Joe. Hey, y' all were clean, Joe.

[Ocho]

But you, you had, you has weak pull out game than your man.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah. I couldn't even pull out a driveway, Joe. You hear me?

[Joe]

But you gotta understand, you know that, Joe, there.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, but you gotta understand, there was a method to my madness, Joe. I only had kids with people that were athletic.

[Ocho]

That's what's up.

[Uncle Joe]

Only I don't care how fine you is, I ain't care nothing about you being an IG baddie. I ain't care nothing about having that. Everyone I have a child from understand the athletic background. They give me an advantage when it comes to my child being an athlete, that's all.

[Ocho]

Hey, Ocho, your kid is pretty competitive when it come to you.

[Uncle Joe]

Every. Yeah, every last one. Yeah, man, every. Every last one.

[Ocho]

Mine is too, bro. All three of them.

[Uncle Joe]

The funny thing you said about, about playing your son one on one, he talking about he'd be cursing.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You let it go.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah. In the midst of battling, in the midst of competing. Yeah. I don't want you to lose that edge. I don't want you to lose that competitive nature.

[Joe]

I don't want you to lose that.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen, I don't want you to lose. Expressing yourself in that moment. I don't.

[Ocho]

You know what? You know what, for me, Ocho, you know, with my oldest son, I just feel like he can control his emotions around me, you know what I mean? Like, don't tell me you can't, bro. We just Playing pickup. This ain't no real game. Obviously, we want to win. We competing. But for you to just be f bombing and.

[Joe]

Yeah, I love that. I love that that ain't happening because, listen, ain't no. Ain't no way, Joe. Ain't no way my kids would talk like that in front. No, sir. Ree. That ain't gonna happen.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, we playing a sport.

[Joe]

I ain't trying to hear, man, what we playing.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe. Playing a sport. I want you acting the same way I act. I ain't got time for all that. Don't be cursing. All that. No, I ain't got time for all that. Be. Be you express yourself.

[Ocho]

I'm sorry. I can't do it. Ojo.

[Uncle Joe]

I got you. I got you.

[Joe]

I got you. You like me, Joe? No, sir. Re.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, yo.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

I said what, man?

[Uncle Joe]

Go to bed. What are you doing up?

[Joe]

Oh, my bad, Daddy. Oh, okay, okay. You still doing up? Don't do that. Hey, I understand.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You don't talk like that in front of me now.

[Ocho]

Nah. Yeah. No, hey, I'm the same way, man.

[Joe]

Hey, look.

[Ocho]

Nah, bro, I'll tell you, it's been three years since me and my older played pickup together. He was 16.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, Joe. I better be 58. I pay my mama bills. I don't cuss in front of my mama.

[Ocho]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe]

You think you finna cuss in front of me? I still pay half your bills. Hell, no.

[Ocho]

Hey, Ocho. Ocho. Well, I ain't cursed in front of my mama. My grandma. My grandma. No, hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

I ain't cursed in front of my.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

You think I could curse in front of Bessie Mae Flowers?

[Joe]

Or I can curse in front of Paula Johnson.

[Uncle Joe]

I ain't cursed in front of him either, but when it comes to competing on that field, man. Joe. I told you. Joe, I ain't wear a mouthpiece for a reason. And it just didn't start when I got to the league, man. I started in Optimist.

[Joe]

Boy, my grandma look at me sideways

[Ocho]

when I say ass.

[Joe]

I said, great. It's in the Bible, but it ain't in there like that. Oh, no, no.

[Uncle Joe]

Side.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe]

I wouldn't even think about my. I. I couldn't fix my mouth to say, sob a mofo.

[Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

G.D. no, that ain't what happened. I'm sorry.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it don't sit well with me, neither. Hey, look, I can't even focus on the game no more. He out there dropping them F bombs and B's and all I'm like, hey, hey, hey.

[Uncle Joe]

See. Hey, you know what? You know what? That tell me. Hey, Unc. And. And, hey, Unc, that's what it tell me. When I'm playing him, all they got to do is cuss his ass out. See? I mean, I'm gonna be. I'm being your head, huh?

[Joe]

Yeah, man, you.

[Ocho]

You grown as hell. I'm talking about my damn son.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, well, well, well. You gonna be my son when I'm

[Ocho]

done with you, you hear me?

[Joe]

Okay.

[Uncle Joe]

You gonna be about something when I'm done with you?

[Ocho]

I'm gonna get in your head, Joe.

[Joe]

I'm gonna get in your head. I'll play like that.

[Ocho]

Okay, Joe B.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, I think you know what I. Oho from the South. But me and your background, we got a lot of similarities, Joe. We got a lot of similarities.

[Ocho]

I think it's the cancer in us. You know, we good people, bro. It's just some. Some stuff we just ain't going to tolerate.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm a good person. I'm a good person, too. I'm a. I'm a Capricorn. I'm a good person, too, Joe.

[Joe]

Hell, no.

[Ocho]

I know. And the funny part, Ocho, I know we always talk about this, but, damn, I worry about my son. Cause y' all got the same birthday,

[Uncle Joe]

so he kind of, you know, that's my dog. That's my dog, Joe. Sometimes I can't even. I can't even form a complete sentence without cursing, Joe. I can't. You know, it's hard for me because it's always been a part of my vernacular, okay? I have an extensive vocabulary, Joe.

[Ocho]

I just.

[Uncle Joe]

I just. Whenever you curse, hey, it's like me. It's like me, right? I'm talking to y', all, and I say, you know what, Uncle Joe, man? I love y', all, man. Now, it. It means something. But when you say, hey, Uncle Joe, man, I fucking love y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Uncle Joe]

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