Best of NFL News Part 2: C.J. Stroud's DELUSIONAL!, Ben Johnson IS LEGIT, Titans HIRE Robert Saleh as Head Coach

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 2: "C.J. Stroud's DELUSIONAL!, Ben Johnson IS LEGIT, Titans HIRE Robert Saleh as Head Coach"

Date: January 24, 2026
Host(s): Shannon Sharpe aka "Unk," Ocho, guest appearance by Rashid Shahid
Producer: iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay dives deep into the biggest recent storylines from around the NFL, including:

• A passionate dissection of several notable coach/QB quotes from the postseason
• Reactions to Ben Johnson’s message for the Bears and why his mindset resonates with the crew
• C.J. Stroud’s controversial exit interview and the panel’s debate over accountability
• Analysis of the Titans’ hiring of Robert Saleh, what it means for Tennessee, and a broader conversation about coaching turnover
• A spirited, at times hilarious, guest spotlight with Seattle’s Rashid Shahid, who reflects on his trade and the Seahawks’ postseason run

Throughout, the hosts dish out unfiltered takes, hot debates, and the classic Club Shay Shay wit, making football analysis as entertaining as it is insightful.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Ben Johnson’s Approach in Chicago (01:19–07:21)

• Ocho and Unk react to Bears HC Ben Johnson’s “back to square one” mentality.

  • Quote: “There is no building off of this. We go back to square one. We’re back at the bottom again… You gotta dig a little bit deeper, you gotta work a little bit harder… if you want to take this thing over the top.” – Ben Johnson (01:28)
  • Ocho: “I want to play for Ben Johnson now. My new favorite coach.” (02:30)
  • The panel loves Johnson’s unyielding standards. They joke that last year’s “house” gets torn down—the team must rebuild every single season.
  • Unk: “That house don’t stay up that you built last year. They tear that ish down, and you start from ground zero. New foundation again.” (02:48)

• Roster breakdown: Optimism about Bears’ offensive weapons (DJ Moore, Loveland, Kmet, Roman Dun, Zakiyas, Luther Burton); defense seen as a priority for further moves.

• NFC competitiveness:
  Unk points out that no one starts the new season with an advantage (“Nobody picks up where they left off,” 07:50), underscoring why Johnson’s approach is necessary.

Draft What-Ifs & Puka Nakua in Baltimore? (07:50–11:07)

• The "what ifs" of the draft: Report that John Harbaugh wanted Puka Nakua in 2023, but the Ravens selected Caillou Blue Kelly instead.

  • Unk and Ocho argue Nakua wouldn’t have matched his LA production in Baltimore’s different scheme.
    • Quote: “Just because somebody put up numbers over there, don’t mean he gonna put those numbers up in Baltimore.” (09:21)

• Draft accountability:
  Unk calls out teams and media for always lauding the pick that succeeds elsewhere, but never those who bust – “They never report the guys they wanted and they got that didn’t pan out.” (10:25)

Brandon Aiyuk’s Mysterious Departure from 49ers (14:35–23:31)

• 49ers leadership on Aiyuk:
  49ers staffers admit confusion about Aiyuk’s disappearing act and lost communication.

  • Quote: “That’s something I’ve never seen in 22 years of coaching... It’s unfortunate and confusing for all of us.” (15:01)

• Speculation and player perspective:
  Unk and Ocho agree: they’ve never witnessed a situation like this in their combined years around the league.

  • Unk is astounded Aiyuk gave back money just to exit, noting, “For an NFL player, as much as we love getting paid... to give 20 million plus back... let you know how bad it is.” (18:03)
  • They theorize it stems from drawn-out contract talks that soured the relationship.

• Possible trade scenarios:
  Fun proposals tossed around (Aiyuk for AJ Brown?) and discussion of WR-needy teams (Buffalo, Baltimore, Pittsburgh).

  • Unk: “You gotta want the girl that wants you, not the girl that you want.” (24:38)

• Big-picture point:
  Stars might get big deals, but waiting too long can irreparably damage trust.

Wide Receivers Market & Team Needs (26:47–29:19)

• Free agent WRs likely to move:
  Ocho/Unk list possible top WR trade/free agent options (Aiyuk, AJ Brown, etc.), discuss their fit on possible destination teams.
• Jets “cursed”:
  Fun banter about Garrett Wilson’s wasted talent with the Jets’ dysfunctional offense.
  • Ocho: “Don’t send nobody [wide receivers], send some offensive linemen.” (28:52)

Tennessee Titans Hire Robert Saleh (31:54–38:53)

• Breaking news and reaction:
  Robert Saleh (former Jets/49ers coordinator) reportedly hired as Titans HC.

  • Unk: “He can dial up defense… but everything is predicated [on] who your offensive coordinator is.” (32:03)

• Roster notes:
  Titans’ nucleus (Calvin Ridley, Cam Ward, Jeffrey Simmons), but “they need another dog” at WR and O-line help.

• AFC South ties:
  Saleh now joins Texans HC DeMeco Ryans as former 49ers DCs-turned AFC South rivals.

• Coaching carousel wisdom:
  Ocho notes: “You deserve a second chance if you have to coach [the] Jets… that organization hasn’t done anything in a very long time.” (37:19)

• Building patience:
  Frustrations with NFL owners’ lack of patience for rebuilding coaches: “Owners… want instant gratification… you gotta learn patience… you need [the] product on the field.” (40:11)

C.J. Stroud’s Exit Interview & Defensive Blame? (43:05–53:50)

• Stroud reflects on turnovers:
  “This year was a step for me where I didn’t have to be Superman… I appreciate my team for taking a lot of pressure off my plate but also, they do know I can make those plays.” – C.J. Stroud (43:05, 44:22)

• Unk’s skepticism:
  Shannon jokes, “This got to be AI. Ain’t no way in hell… the whole thing is AI.” (44:23)

  • He interprets Stroud as blaming his defense for his turnover spike: “I think the reason why he turned the ball over was because his defense, because he knew they could get it back for him.” (46:18)
  • Ocho disagrees, hears “accountability,” but Unk pushes: “If you don’t have to be Superman, you shouldn’t struggle… I don’t get it.” (49:36)

• Turnover truth bombs:
  Unk details Stroud’s interception and fumble numbers from the regular season and the playoffs, then questions his logic for why turnovers rose.

• Broader critique:
  Unk’s advice: “In that situation, just be disappointed with how the season turned out… don’t mention your struggles because of the success of the defense.” (54:01)

“Kardashian Curse” Joke & Derrick Lewis Callout (54:40–57:04)

• UFC fighter Derrick Lewis on Stroud:
  Lewis jokes that C.J. might be "cursed" since hanging with Amber Rose and Kim Kardashian. (55:06)
• Ocho fires back:
  “Ain’t no man, man… his personal life ain’t got nothing to do with on the field. Ain’t no goddamn curse. Things just didn’t go well. He didn’t play well. He knows that. He took accountability for that.” (55:21)
  • Ocho challenges Lewis to a match ("Octagon, boxing ring, MMA, wrestling, whatever you want!” 57:17), defending players against outsider criticism.

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Special Interview: Rashid Shahid, Seattle Seahawks (58:13–69:43)

Rashid Joins & Reflects on Trade, Success in Seattle

• Shahid celebrates his impact:

  • “I’ve enjoyed my time here in Seattle so far, man. The way the city, the team has embraced me… It’s been nothing but a great time.” (59:30)

• On his game-changing return TD vs the Rams:

  • “We kind of knew their left side was their weak side, so we called left return at a perfect time, man… as soon as I broke through, I knew I could crib it.” (60:44)

• Transition from New Orleans:

  • “It’s been smooth. I came into a system I’m pretty familiar with.” (62:29)

• Reaction to trade:

  • “I was pulling in [to the Saints’ facility] and my financial advisor called me before anybody else. He said, ‘There’s no state tax in Seattle.’ I’m like, what are you talking about?” (63:05)

• On being used in Seattle's offense:

  • “He [Coach] lets us know the expectation each week. We come in with the same mindset—to go out and dominate.” (64:35)

• Fun sidebar:

  • Ocho offers to set Rashid up (“I got somebody for you, too, boy… She don’t speak no English though.” 68:39) and tries to lure him to his wide receiver camp.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ben Johnson on not building off last season:
  “There is no building off of this. We go back to square one… If you feel otherwise, you’re probably missing the big picture.” (01:28)

• Unk on NFL progress:
  “You don’t get to stay [on the mountain]. Even if you end your season on top, you start at the bottom again.” (05:26)

• On Aiyuk giving back money to leave SF:
  “For an NFL player… to give 20 million plus back… let you know how bad it is.” (18:03)

• Unk on 'selling yourself' to coaches/teams:
  “You make all these promises, I can coach this guy… but bro, I was just saying that. I was selling myself, I really couldn’t do it—not with what you got!” (41:50)

• On the pressure of defense for QBs:
  “If you don’t have to be Superman, you shouldn’t struggle… Hand the ball off, make a few plays. I don’t need you to put that cape on.” (49:36)

• Ocho defending C.J. Stroud from Derrick Lewis:
  “His personal life off the field ain’t got nothing to do with on the field. Ain’t no goddamn curse. Things just didn’t go well… He took accountability for that.” (55:21)

• Rashid Shahid on Seattle:
  “It’s a beautiful thing… as soon as I broke through, I knew I could crib it.” (59:30)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:19–07:21] – Ben Johnson’s “ground zero” mentality, Bears analysis
• [07:50–11:07] – Puka Nakua what-if, draft strategy debates
• [14:35–23:31] – The Brandon Aiyuk communication rift and potential trade ideas
• [26:47–29:19] – League-wide wide receiver market and team needs
• [31:54–38:53] – Titans hire Robert Saleh, AFC South coaching trees, rebuilding in Tennessee
• [43:05–53:50] – C.J. Stroud’s exit interview analysis and accountability debate
• [54:40–57:04] – "Kardashian curse" jokes, Ocho defends players from critics
• [58:13–69:43] – Guest interview: Rashid Shahid on his trade, Seahawks, and career highlights

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Tone & Dynamics

• Spirited, playful, and brutally honest football talk
• Unk and Ocho don’t hesitate to challenge each other’s interpretations
• Frequent banter, analogies, and NFL locker room storytelling
• “Family” atmosphere with good-natured roasting and genuine respect for football and its people

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Takeaways

This episode excels in unfiltered analysis and laughter, highlighting:

• The razor-thin line between “building on success” and “starting over” in the NFL
• The business (and emotion) of player movement, especially when trust is broken
• How leadership, accountability, and culture matter as much as talent in today’s league
• A fun inside look at breakout players’ off-field personalities and the realities of changing teams

Fans looking for an episode equally full of hot takes, humor, and real football wisdom will find plenty here—plus a classic Club Shay Shay guest chat to top it off.

Transcript

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[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Chicago's Ben Johnson was asked about building off this season. Ojo take a listen to his answer. Yeah, that you guys are going to.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Be able to build off this and that.

[Coach or Analyst]

There, there is no building off of this. We go back to square one. We're back at the bottom again. And that's, that's really all 32 teams. If you feel otherwise, you're probably missing the, missing the big picture. You know, we're back at we got to start from scratch. We got to start from the fundamentals. You know, a lot of guys talked about how difficult this training camp was. I didn't feel like it was anything out of my ordinary. They know what the expectation is. They know what the process is that we believe in as a coaching staff. And so I think more than anything else, they're going to know what they're getting themselves into. And yet we got to dig a little bit deeper, we got to work a little bit harder, we got to give a little bit more if we want to take this thing over the top. I mean it's no different. You're trying to lose weight, you're trying to lose 50 pounds. The first 30 is the easiest 30, you know, the last 20. That's the hard, that's the hard part. And so we did a nice job this year. But it's not enough. We got to do more.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I like what he said. I love what he said.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I want to play for Ben Johnson now. Hey, my new favorite coach is Ben Johnson.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Everything he said. But the one thing I like that he said is he talked. We not billing off nothing. We starting from scratch.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah. Bill off what?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, we. We starting from scratch. We got to build this thing all the way back up again. I like it. I like it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

That house don't stay up that you built last year.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Absolutely.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

They tear that ish down.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Absolutely not.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And you start from ground zero. A new foundation again. Yes, absolutely.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

But now you see why they. Why they've had such success this year. You know, just.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I see why. Yes.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

He.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

His thought process. That's why he talks to his team.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Oh, there's something we can build off of. Yeah. Build up what?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

What? Hey, the Bears in good hands for the next 10, 15 years, man.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I totally agree. Oh, yo, I didn't build off nothing. I had to start all back over. Guess what, Ocho? Because that what I did the year before the training. It ain't got nothing to do what I'm gonna do to train it this year at all. If that was the case, I could just sit my ass in the house and go, hey. And just show up the cats. Hey. Because I already built off that training. No. I had to start a new foundation again.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. Hey, listen.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Start building right back up, okay? You start out gradually and just build up. Speaking of track and field, congratulations to Sydney McLaughlin Verone. She's expecting a child. Her and her husband expecting a child this year.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Okay. Congrats. Congrats, Congrats, congrats.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Hey, and Shelly. Mommy Rocket. If she came back and win world titles and can win a gold medal, Sydney can do it. Because I think what. Sydney's 26. I think she's 26, have the baby this year. She got 27, and she got 28 for the Olympics. She. We good. But y' all better be glad. Y' all better be glad. Cause you about. Hey, Paulino. And what's the lady from Bahrain? Nasser.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Because ain't nobody else see. Ain't nobody else seeing her. No, ain't nobody else seeing her. And they better be glad she left the hurdles, because that was just like it had just gotten. It wasn't even fair.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Easy work. Easy work.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, but I love the way Ben Johnson think. I love the way he talks. That's. That's kind of what Mike. That's how Mike was that last Year ain't got nothing to do with this year. Bring your ass back in better shape than you came in this year. Expect to work a little harder than what you worked last year. Because we want better. We want better results. That what we did last year won't get the job done this year. Teams get better, so I don't know why you think build off. What? No. That you start at the bottom of the mountain. Yeah. Even if you. Even if you end your season on top of the mountain, you don't get to stay there.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You start right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

It ain't like Wimbledon. You know, Wimbledon used to win the. If you won Wimbledon way back when you came back as a champ, everybody else fought. You just played the final match, and you win. If you win, you. You the champ again.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Champ again.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Nah, you start first round, second round, third round, quarter Simmons and finals. No, that's how it's supposed to go. I love. I love Ben Johnson. I love this thought process. I. I look. Yeah. Being my new guy. Being my new guy. I love the way that. That's. That's. That's how. That's how he. That's how I want my coach to talk.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Don't be talking about what. Hey, we. We good or we gonna build on something? Now, we ain't finna build on nothing at all. What we f. To do is start all over again and build this back up. Ain't no building on. It's building back up, so it's going to be very interesting. And they got pieces. You know, they got their quarterback, they got a. They got a good running game. They got two good tight ends, and Loveland and. And Cole commit. I know everybody's upset at DJ Moore right now, but DJ Moore, Roman dun. They got Zakiyas. They got. Look, offensive line is really good now. Maybe go get a defensive lineman that can add some pressure on the other side of sweat.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, don't forget Luther Burton there.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah. No, no, no. Luther Burton. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got receive. They covered on offense. They covered on the offensive side.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Offense. Yep.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Jaylen Johnson gets another year. You know, he came back, had that core muscle, so now he gets to work his way back in shape and get back on the field and get back to the level of playing that he's accustomed to playing at. But yeah, they. They, they, they. And he really. They. Look, the one thing that. That Ben Johnson knows, NFC is not getting easier.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, no. Everybody else.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

San Francisco doesn't have all those injuries. Okay. Doesn't look like the Rams going anywhere. Doesn't look like Seattle's going anywhere. Atlanta got two guys up for defensive rookie of the year. Bijan Drake, London. What are they going to do with Kyle Pitts? Are they going to bring him back? Quarterback situation. Hey, Tampa being it being. Being. Being the mix.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Carolina, look, Carolina made the playoffs this year. Detroit hired a new offensive coordinator. Green Bay. So the thing. I think that Ben realized that, no, you can't build off. You got to start back up because these other teams are doing that, getting better. Don't nobody start with. Nobody picks up where they left off. Because that's the case with. Damn. The team that makes it to the Super Bowl. That means Seattle automatically makes it back to the AFC NFC championship game. No, that ain't happening. The Rams make it all the way back. So damn, they're picking up where they left out, where that leave us. So I'm excited for Chicago. Chicago. Is they definitely up and coming? Ocho. Speaking of Puka, according to Mike Garofalo, John Harbaugh badly wanted the Ravens to draft Puka Nakua back in 2023. But the front office went against his wishes. If he got his way, Puka Nakua would have been a Raven. And that was the guy that John Harbaugh wanted badly for the Ravens to draft, and they didn't. Puka was the last pick of the fifth round. The Ravens took instead Caillou Blue Kelly. I guess how you say it. Caillou. Caillou Blue Kelly. Cornerback.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I like. I like exactly where he's at.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, I mean, see, look.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I like exactly.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Ravens didn't have a car, a coordinator like Sean McVeigh that has that kind of imagination. Just because somebody put up numbers over there, that don't mean he gonna put those numbers up in Baltimore.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

But he's not. Because the offense is completely different.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Exactly.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Completely different offense. So it definitely. It would. Man. Scheme is not even close to being the same. So obviously he. I like where he's at. I like.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I do too. You. I mean, look, the one thing we know that Sean McVeigh can get the receivers the ball. Oh, yeah, you remember Cooper cup, that triple crown season. Now you follow that up and. And I mean, just think about it. Oo you get 1700 yards and that's still not the best season. That's not the best receiving season in your. In the franchise history.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

That's crazy.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You still 200 yards short.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Y.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You still 20, you know, almost 20 catches short. But no Puka would. If y' all think Puka would have done that in Baltimore, you Hide. Because first of all, they didn't have an offensive coordinator that has the imagination and the creativity that, that, that, that Sean McVeigh has.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

No.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

So, no, no, look, I, I get it. You know, and it. See, it, see, it seems good now. Oh, he wanted. He wanted him. So is it. Has there been anybody that he wanted. They drafted that didn't pan out because everybody's willing to report the guys that they want that's panning out for somebody else, but they never report the guys that they wanted and they got that didn't pan out paying out.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

That's a good one.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Man. They need to stop. Man. They did. They really, they really need to stop this man. And what you call him jumping on Keon Coleman like he the first pick in the draft. Like he, like he the owner. Mr. Pula.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I'm like, hold on. So not so now Keon Coleman was the reason y' all lost this game. It went from Josh Allen turning them all over four times. You having five turnovers to let. Hey, let's double. You know what? Keon Coleman, low hanging fruit. Yeah, let's pluck his ass.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You notice they ain't say nothing about Josh now.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

No.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Now you, you pick. Hey, one thing. You piss. You piss that quarterback off if you want to.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Nah, you leave that alone. But, but I don't. I don't know. You didn't have to say anything about Keon Coleman. Yeah, okay. Yes, we. We need him to play better. We brought him in to be a number one receiver and that is the expectation level that we have for him. But to mention him and talk about. Oh, the coach. Brandon didn't want him. We didn't want. That was a coach's decision. Not. That's unnecessary.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Totally unnecessary.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Unnecessary. I've tried to pile on.

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Oo the 49ers John lynch said it's safe to say Brandon Auk will not be back in San Francisco. John lynch and Kyle Shanahan spoke a little about what happened to iuk. Let's take a listen to what they had to say. Ooh.

[49ers Coach or Staff]

Have you been able to determine why he was so upset, why he wasn't showing up and just any background you.

[Coach or Analyst]

Can give on that?

[49ers Coach or Staff]

I wish I knew. I yeah, can't help you there.

[Guest or Analyst]

Sorry.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah.

[49ers Coach or Staff]

Has there been a line of communication with him? There was, but anymore that snap. Well when I'm coaching I don't. I don't hang out in the training room at all. So I don't see guys much that way. But I'd say it officially stopped for me when last time I tried to get a hold of him and couldn't and then tried a couple more times and still couldn't and then that matched everyone else that was trying to get a hold of him and couldn't and eventually there's not much of an explanation because it's really hard for us and anyone else to understand. And so that's something I've never seen in 22 years of coaching. So just. It's unfortunate and that's. It's confusing because it's confusing for all of us. So. But it eventually becomes. It is what it is. And you try as hard as you can to fix something that you don't understand, but it's not like we understand it very well still. But eventually you understand that it's not going to change and you got to move on with your football team, which is always the most important thing.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I've never seen out. I don't know, maybe you. Maybe in your circles you played, you know, I was in a couple of years, you know, decade before you, and you stayed about seven, eight years after I left. So maybe you've seen something like this, but I've never seen anything like this.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

No, I've never seen like this either. And obviously we're not going to get the answer from the coaches or the gm. Obviously everything they say is going to be PC. If we want to know what the answer is, if we want to know what the issues were, we'd have to talk to Brandon iu and at some point, I'm not sure if he decided if he's the type that will voice the issues and concerns that he had there. Obviously he wants to move on them saying he's not going to be there. Well, hell, we could have told you that when he decided to give back 24 or whatever million he decided to give back by. By not showing up. So he really wants to get out of that situation. Something went wrong. I don't know where it went wrong, but whatever it is, listen, both sides need to move on. I'm excited to see where Brandon Ayuk is. I'm excited to also see how well he's recovered from rehab, to see how far along he is because he is one hell of a player. Unk when he. When it's time to go.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

So I'm hoping he's not get carried away now. He's not a top five receiver. I'm not sure he's.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I didn't see. It's only.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

He's a good receiver.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

He's a good receiver. That's. That's good enough. I can't. I can't compliment the man about being good.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You said, hey, he. He.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I said he's a really good receiver. He's a really good receiver.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I didn't say he was. I didn't say he was. Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, okay.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I'm just saying, you know, he nice.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

But this don't make sense to me, Ocho.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Okay. You're injured. All you gotta do is go rehab and leave. Okay? The general manager try to call you your position coach, try to call you the head coach. You can't find the time to call back. You just stop showing up.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

There's a reason why. We just don't know the reason why he wouldn't just do it for no reason. Of course they're not going to state what that reason is, Ocho.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

The only thing he has to do is get treatment. He don't have to come to meetings.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You're not listening to me.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I am listening.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

There's more to it than what they're going to say. You're creating a scenario and making it in its simplest form. And all he has to do. There are other things that factor in to him not wanting to come back. Him not answering phone calls, him not answering text messages, him saying, fuck y'. All. Take that 20 million back. I don't want it. I just want out of this situation. For an NFL player, as much as we love getting paid, as much as we love money, to give 20 million plus back to the team just so you can get out, let you know.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

How bad it is, it's got to be. But I'm trying to figure out how he got bad, he got hurt. Now, maybe you know what, Ocho? Maybe it was a situation. You know how they, how long they waited to sign the contract because, you know, he wanted to go somewhere else and then at the last second, but they ended up doing the deal. And you know what happens, Ocho? A lot of time when you wait for a period of time, the player feels some type of way, even though you give him his money. He like why I had to wait this long.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I shouldn't have had to wait.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

They'll let you know how they really feel about you when it's time to get paid, boy.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, I, I, like I said, you right. I, I will, I will concede this to you. I don't know if we'll ever get the answer. I don't know if Brandon IU could ever speak on it.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I'm sure he will. I'm sure he will at some point.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You think so? Yeah, absolutely. It won't be right now. I'm anxious to see what he has to say.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

It probably won't be right now because he Wants to stay low, keep it quiet until he gets to his next destination. But at some point, he will voice the reasons on why things were so bad.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Of course. Yeah, I wanna get out too, but I'm gonna get that money on the way out. I know Ocho will get that money on the way out. Yeah, I'm getting. Oh. Once this thing become guaranteed. Hey, y' all know I won't up out of here, right? But I got that. The money guaranteed you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This. This is irreconcilable differences.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, that's. That's what it all down to.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

It's crazy, man. Yeah, I've never seen, like.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Never seen nothing like this before, huh?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

No, never. Yeah, never.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Same.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Never. Never. And I know that. And I've seen guys really pissed at an organization. Yeah, I've seen guys get cut for not hustling and things like that. But back then, oh, we weren't dealing with the kind of money that these guys are dealing with.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You know, back then when we played three, $4 million with a lot of damn money. Oh, yeah, you talk about $26 million, $27 million.

[Guest or Analyst]

Man.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Go ahead. And he said, totally, man. Go ahead and take that back, man. I'm good.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And remember, it was reported that he told the union. Nah, don't even fight it. Don't even. Don't even worry about it.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Don't worry about it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Now I need to get off.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, that's when. That's when, you know you're fed up, right?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, I'm fed up, but my bank account ain't. Nah, bro, I need to get. I need to get all that.

[Guest or Analyst]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And then knowing that there are places that need receivers. I don't know. Do you swap him and A.J. brown?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Oh.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Aren'T both of them number 11?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, I like, I like. I like the way you're thinking now, A.J. brown to go crazy over there with. Goddamn. With Mr. Irrelevant.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

What?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Man, him and Purdy, are they a cook boy. Oh, that's a good. Oh, that's a good one. I like. I like that. I like that. I like that. Even. Even better than, you know, my. My idea of him going to the Ravens.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Oh, A.J.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Look, I think A.J. would be great anywhere other than Philly.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

But of course, you know, people being naive as well. Somebody old salary cap, dead cap, too much money. Yeah, okay. Y' all do not understand this business, obviously.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Look, Pittsburgh need a receiver. Buffalo definitely need a receiver.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Baltimore could probably lose. Use a guy outside the Raiders. So I. I think they'll have some takers. I think both teams. I think the Eagles and. And. And the 49ers will have takers. Yeah, I do you definitely.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You definitely want to see where he is first, though. I mean, teams are going to want to see where Brandon Auki is. At some point, he going to have to start putting videos out showing teams that he is okay, that he's able to run and stop.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

No, they gonna bring him in. They'll bring him in for a physical. All that other stuff, they don't want to see. They don't want to see you doing all that. Want to see. They want to test that ankle. They want their. Their orthopedics to tug on that knee and shake that knee and see if they have the stability that it needs.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

They're gonna. They're. They're gonna want to see all that.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

It's just a different time now. Oo.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, it is.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

It's just a different time.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

It is.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

To give up. To give that back. And like I said, something like, something transpired. I don't know. I don't know what happened. Maybe something was said. Maybe it was, you know, because obviously he was upset because I remember we had him on.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, we had him on. Yeah. Now that I think about it, he.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Might come back and tell us what happened.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Well, we definitely gonna reach out.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You know, but. We look at Buffalo, you look at Baltimore, you look at Pittsburgh, you look at the Raiders, I saw some report that AJ Back to the Titans, I'm like, I don't think AJ Want to go back to the Titans.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I like the same.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Cleveland could use a receiver.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Nope, don't send him over there either.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

No, but I'm just saying. I'm. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just thinking about teams that could use a receiver.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, let's. Let's send him. Let's send him somewhere where he's gonna be happy. Please don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't do him dirty.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Let's see normal places that go make you happy, Ocho. They gotta want you. Cause what happens? You gotta want the girl that wants you, not the girl that you want.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Well, the 49ers are definitely gonna want him. That ain't no problem.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

No. Oh, I thought you talking about. I thought you was talking about. I. I thought you was talking about.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, yeah, okay. My bad.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I was. A lot of times they say date the girl that you want. I mean, the Girl that wants you.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Not the girl that you want.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I mean because that's probably going to lead to the. The happiness. So I was saying a lot of times where we actually want to go.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Might not necessarily want us to be there. So we're gonna have to find a place that really want us and like. Oh, you really want me? Well then I want you too. But we'll see how that will will say the Chiefs. Oh, the Titans.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Eh.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I mean I. I mean I know Calvin really is coming back, but is that enough?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

But he's coming back off of injury as well.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Correct. And he's a little older than what he was last year.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. Two players coming back off injury and.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

But here. But Ocho, you got to understand. Huh. Brandon, I. You rehabbed the whole year. He didn't play, so he should be Gucci.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Think about it. He got hurt year before last.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

He rehabbed this whole season.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Mm.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I guess was supposed supposedly allegedly rehab. Something went wrong. I don't know what he did, but I'm just saying. So he should be good. He really should be good.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. Now we gonna find out now.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah. But you know, but you know Ocho, man, it's. People think you could just like you could just take a whole year off and just pick right up where you left off. That is it don't work like that for a high level professional.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

No.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You gotta play.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. Hey, that's the only way to get yourself back in the rhythm is by playing and not. Not by. Not by yourself either.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

So chat. We try to list some teams that we think would that aj, Brandon Iuk, some of the. The big names receiver that will probably be available come free agency the trade open up. I think March, probably like the first week in March is when the. The free agency period to hit the new year starts and that's when you can start. But you know, you have that. What they call that period.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Which one?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The. The tampering where you can actually have contact with the guys. But.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

So that might be a situation. Like I said, I think there'll be some pretty good receivers on the market. And I think you know, you got jsn. It's probably. Well, you got J. I mean think about it. You got JSN and you got Puka and then you got the Bronco. I mean every team. I mean JSN is going to the Pro Bowl. First team All Pro. Puka, Pro bowl, first team All Pro. Both of those guys are unanimous selections to the all pro team. And Cortland Sutton. So three of the team three of the four teams got a Pro bowl wide receiver on their roster.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And all Tay did was lead the league and and, and and and touchdown catches. He's the first guy to lead a league in touchdown catches with three different teams. Different teams and he missed like three games. So clearly he still has some some juice in the tank and I expect him to be back next year. But Puka gonna get a monster contract. Yeah gonna get a monster contract Ojo.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

J JSN gonna overlap that but it's.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Only JSN his only second year he'll be next year next year I'm saying.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

He on over oh yeah yeah yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I agree oh the chat talking about the jets need a need a wide receiver man now don't just need a lot of things don't send nobody wide receiver some offensive linemen.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Don'T don't do it Garrett dbs don't do it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah they need the Jazz need a.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Lot they need to get my boy Garrett Wilson out of there, man.

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[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Ocho we have breaking news the Titans are working on to finalize a deal to hire 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Sala as their next head coach. Salah spent Monday in Tennessee with the Titans and the two sides impressed each other enough to move forward. We knew something, it was trending in this direction when they moved it. They said they pushed it back because he was supposed to do the interview via Zoom on Sunday. They pushed it back to Monday because they wanted to do this in person. That was the first hit. They were kind of leaning towards Robert Sala, so I'm not surprised by this. I think he'll do great defense, but everything is predicated. Who's you going to be your offensive coordinator? Who's going to be in your young quarterbacks here? Yeah, because we know he can play, he can dial up defense and he's got a lynch pin and he's got a guy that you can build a defense around. And that's Jeffrey Simmons.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, I mean, listen, you know, I, I've played around with just the thought of Jeffrey Simmons, you know, being down in Cincinnati, but I think that might have sailed right now. Yeah, I don't think the Titans are letting Jeffrey go. But, but Robert Sala is a great, a great addition, a great head coach, a defensive mind and I'm sure he's going to get those boys playing up to par enough to speed on the offensive end. Cam Ward being the future of that organization. Calvin really coming back. I still think they need some more weapons. Pollard is good, but I'm sure they can use someone else, you know, back there in the backfield. But they need another receiver. They need another, another dog to go along.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yep.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I agree with Calvin Ridley who's coming off of injury, so we're not sure what he's going to look like. They need another security blanket for. For Cam Ward out there. So I mean, the Titans are doing what they need to do. I'm sure Robert Salah is going to. I'm not sure how much control and say he has in, in the roster and, and wants, you know, to pick as far as the draft and then offseason acquisitions goes. But they can make a change. They can make a change. They might be the team similar to this year's Carolina and Bears. You know, Bears, you know, choices that I went before the season started on team to look out for. It could be Tennessee next year depending on what they do in the off season and what they do in the draft.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Robert Salah would now be joining his third AFC south team of his career. His first job was with the Texans from 2005 to 2010 and he also spent time with the Jags from 2014 to 2016 as the linebackers coach. And now he's the Tennessee Titans head coach. Texas head coach d' Amico Ryan's and new Tennessee Titans head coach Robert Sala Both were former 49ers defensive coordinators, are now head coaches in the same division and will square off twice a year. They came the Shanahan staff. They were all on staff. I don't, I don't know if. If the Miko was on the staff with Coob Kubiak when he was in Houston because Cool was the head coach at Houston and Kyle was his, his, his offensive coordinator. But a lot of these guys was with. With Kyle when he was in Washington. Sean McVeigh, Mike McDaniel, Raheem, all those guys. So I like this. So do you believe Robert Sally is the right hire for the Tennessee Titans?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean he's a defensive mind and like you did say they, they can build defensively. Great because you, you have that nucleus down there in Jeffrey Simmons. I, I'm more focused on what they do offensively. Huh. I am more focused on what they do offensively. And so in.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yes, I'm with you. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

And surrounding Cam Ward with more weapons. More weapons. He could work with Cap. With Calvin really coming back off injury, we don't know what Calvin really we're going to get. So I'm hop offseason acquisitions that they do bring in and what they do in the draft is very, very important for the growth of Cam Ward. Defensively, I think they're going to be fine, especially when you get a coach like Robert Salah coming in, coming in that building. I think they're going to be okay.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, I, I, I agree. I think they probably need some offensive line help too because Cam Ward was sacked a lot. Where did Cam Ward finish as far as sacks? Because I, I, I don't care who your offense coordinator, you can't protect the quarterback. You can't win in this league. Yeah, it's hard, it's really hard when your quarterback getting, getting, getting punished. Robert Salah, he was tied for the most sacks in the NFL. So that's where you start. Ocho. Yeah, he got sacked 55 times and remember he missed the game, right. Whether, oh, he got hurt the last game of the season. Okay. So yeah, 55 sacks, you ain't gonna make a living. Yeah, you ain't gonna play long. You keep getting 55 times like that.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, I mean, so I was right, I was right. I was right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Okay. Solid jets tenure. He had Zach Wilson, he had Aaron Rodgers. But I think he needed this year to rehab his, his image.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Because it's hard to go from the jets head coach and just go get another job.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Most of the time when people leave the jets, they, they ain't really going too many other places.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Not at all. But I, I think everyone deserves a second chance. If you have to coach at the jets, if you got the coaches of jets and that organization that hasn't done anything worth the damn in a very long time, you deserve a second chance.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I think Parcels, Parcels left the jets and ended up going to coach the Cowboys. This was, this was before Coach Belichick was going to be the head coach because he was supposed to take over for coach, Coach Parcels, but he didn't want to do that because he knows the jets was on some bull jive and they ended up having to trade a first round pick to get Coach Belichick to go to New England, which was the best first round draft pick the Patriots have ever spent. That is the best draft pick that they, they've used and it wasn't for a player. It was to get Coach Belichick and.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

It worked out perfect, bro.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yes. Get some old line, get some old line, some old lineman to protect Cam. I agree. You need another receiver to go opposite of Ridley. Hopefully he can come back to what he was probably you get your running Back Ocho probably the third or the fourth round.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. Got some good ones out there now.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And, and you got to get some defense. You got to get somebody to go along with Simmons.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, Legerious Sneeze should be healthy coming off. Coming, coming back this, this year, huh?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

We. You get him to playing like he played when he's at Kansas City, you know, get him, get him back, right? Man, they. They should. They should be fine.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah. Rex Ryan went to the. Rex Ryan went to the. Of the Bills, but Rex. Rex has success. Rex what Went to back to back AFC Championship games because remember that year he knocked out Peyton and he knocked off a Tom, huh? And they ended up losing to Pittsburgh.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

At the AFC Championship game.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

That's when they had that crazy defense over there with the Jets.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah, they had Crow and revisit Bart Scott. I think they had Mohammed Wilkinson.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, that front, that front four they.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Had there, I think Calvin Pace was on that team, too. Boy, David. What was the linebacker? David. Was it David Baker? David. How they had a linebacker, number 52?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I don't remember.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

They had some. They had some. They had some thumpers. They had some thumpers and they could get up. They could get after the quarterback.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

They would run the football with Thomas Jones and those guys and Damian Woody and Mango, rest his soul. They did a great job of mauling people. But the Giant, the Jets, do we know who the Jazz hired? Oh, oh, Eric Glenn is still there. He's still there. He can't have another season like he had last year, though, okay?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

No, no, he can't because, you know, you know, the lease is short. You know the least. The lease is short. You see what happened with Raheem. You see what hell, McDermott, I mean, Harbaugh. And they want instant gratification. They want instant success. And that's not what you're going to get. I mean, those owners over there, especially with the jets, you got to learn patience. You got to learn patience because in order. In order for the head coach to have success, you got to have the product on the field.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Right?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You know, you think about all these coaches that are having success and winning all these games, and I mean, you say, oh, it's coaching, but coaching, you can only coach so much. You still need the. You still need the players to be able to perform. You still need the players to be able to execute the X and Nos. The better, the better the players you got, the easier it is to goddamn implement a game plan. And when it's time to play somebody.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I agree.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Now, you got players. You gotta. You gotta. You gotta do certain things to help them get open. You gotta hide. You gotta hide their weaknesses, and that's difficult, man.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Then you get exposed as a coach because. But look what I'm working with. And the coach can't say that.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

It'S. But I think the thing is, Ocho, is that you oversell to get the job.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You make all these promises, I can coach this guy. I can get so much better than this, and blah, blah, blah. And then the owner's like, what happened? You said you could, bro. I was just saying that. I was selling you. I was selling myself to you. I really couldn't do it. Not with what you got.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, you know that. That's how it be when you first meet somebody, huh? You know, you're not meeting the actual person. You meeting their representation. I'm trying to put my. I'm trying to put my best foot forward to make sure I don't lose the opportunity. I want this job.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And as a. Jeff, actually, that's your agent. They meeting your agent. Cause that person is telling you everything. What's so great about the person that you really haven't met yet?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Come on, now.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

We gonna have this conversation later. They die. But I'm just saying, when you meet somebody, that's the agent.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, that's it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Cause you know how an agent sell.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Whether. Whether you. In Hollywood, whether you are football, basketball, baseball, or whatever the case may be, your agent will always tell you great things about said individual that's looking to get this job.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

And it's all about rep. Hey. It's all about representation. And anytime you meet someone new, you are meeting a representative. Always.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

In his exit interview this week, CJ Stroud blamed the Texans stellar defense for his struggles this season, as he no longer has to be Superman on the field. Ocho, take a listen to what this young man had to say.

[Guest or Analyst]

I think just the turnovers, you know, like, I haven't really been prone to turnovers in my career. Especially, like, you know, the timely turnovers, you know, where, you know, I've, like, I told y' all before, I've really, you know, been on. I've been on some great teams, you know, my whole career, where a lot of them were, you know, offensive droving, you know, and, like, you know, playing for Coach Dave, where, you know, we're taking and all these. And then, you know, like, you know, this team, you know, where, you know, we're more full everywhere, you know, where it's offense, defense, and special teams. But, you know, defense is, you know, is making a bunch of plays. So, you know, this year was a. Was a step for me where, like, I didn't have to be Superman all the time, and I'm still growing in that, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I appreciate my teams for taking a lot of pressure, you know, off of my plate, but also, you know, they do know that I can make those plays. So, you know, I'm appreciative of that, of them having that perspective. And I feel like I've grown, you know, in that way of, like, you know, taking what's there, you know, in ways where, you know, I would have taken a shot there or just, you know, take care of the ball some other ways. But, you know, I just seen some growth into my footwork, you know, in the pocket, you know, trusting my guys, staying in the pocket, not just running around, you know, but, you know, staying strong and firm. So I think I stepped. I made a step in that area as well, but, you know, always things are improved, and I'll do that. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I mean, I. I.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

This AI. There's got to be AI. Hey, let's check and see if this AI. Because ain't no outro. Ain't no way in hell.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Well, which. Which part? Which part? Which part?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

The whole. The whole thing is AI.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I mean, from what I just heard, him reflecting on some of the things where he. He has room for improvement. He said the turnovers.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

He said the reason why is because of his defense was so great.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Okay, I must have missed that part.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You want us to replay it for you?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, he must have said that.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Can we rewrap that right quick?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

At the very beginning.

[Guest or Analyst]

I think just the turnovers, you know, like, I haven't really been prone to turnovers in my career, especially, like, you know, the timely turnovers, you know, where, you know, I've, like, I told y' all before, I've really, you know, been on. I've been on some great teams, you know, my whole career, where a lot of them were, you know, offensive droving, you know, and, like, you know, playing for Coach Day, where, you know, we're taking shots and all these, and then, you know, like, being on this team, you know, where, you know, we're more full everywhere, you know, where it's offense, defense, and special teams, but, you know, defense is, you know, is making a bunch of plays. So, you know, this year was a. Was a step for me where, like, I didn't have to be Superman all the time. And I'm still growing in that. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Take it away, Ocho.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Maybe I'm tripping. Maybe something wrong with my goddamn ears. I mean, I'm listening to what he's saying, but maybe the way you're regurgitating it to me, I'm expecting to say something like that, but, I mean, what I got from it is it's one of the few times I didn't have to be Superman this year because my defense is as great as they were.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

So that's why you turned the ball over?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

No, no, obviously. He said. You heard what he said. Huh? I have room for improvement. I have to stop turning the ball over. And I like that. He Reflecting on some of the things that he can continue to grow on. I. I heard. I heard that part.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I think the reason why he turned the ball over was because of his defense, because he knew they could get it back for him. Oh.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, that. Hey, that. Hey, that.

[Commercial Voice 3]

That's.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

That's a little bit excessive right there, huh?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Oh, Joe, what do you. With that defense, you take risk that you normally wouldn't take.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Take. Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

But, oh, think about how careful Dak Prescott has to be with the football, knowing his defense can't get it back for him right now.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, okay, I see what you're saying. I see you going with it. I see you going with it. I like. I like it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Look, the only season that he really didn't turn the ball over was his rookie season. Yeah, because his rookie season, he had five picks. The next year he had 12. Now, he had five interceptions in two games in the postseason with five fumbles. Yeah, he had eight picks, but he missed three games and half. Another one. So are we sure he doesn't turn the ball, or are we sure. Are you willing to go on a limbo joke?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, I mean. I mean, we watched the game, Monk. We saw it. We saw it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Are you. I'm saying, are you sure he doesn't turn the ball over? Because that's not what his resume says. His resume says his rookie year. He's absolutely right. He didn't turn the ball over. But I look at his second and third year, I would. I. I mean, the numbers would disagree.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Great. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Absolutely.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You know, he knows.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

He got a lot of. Excuse me.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

My bad.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

A heat. Young boy. No, he got a lot of work to do. He has a lot of. A lot of work to do. And I like the fact that he can stand up in front of the camera and he can take accountability for it as well.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Oh, Joe, you don't have to do all that talking. Just say, you know what I need to do better. Don't blame your defense for you not having to put the Superman cap on. Just hold on. Was the nail hunter there last year? Was Stingley there last year? Was Will Anderson Jr. There last year? Shazir 202 Petri. I'm just. No, help me understand who on this defense that's there this year. Wasn't there last year? Yeah, I don't know what rank is there. Look and see. I want to see if a rank is with their last year. If Tim Settle Jr. Mario Edward Jr. I want to know because I believe those other guys that I mentioned, I believe they were there. So I want to find out what guys weren't there on that defense last this year that wasn't there last year.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, you gotta, hey, hey, you, you thought it, you thought it was bad the way, the way, the way he gave a little interview, though.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Wasn'T there last year?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

What about Settle Jr. Or, or Mario Edwards Jr.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Mario Edwin Jr.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Okay, he was there.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hold on. Mario Edwin Jr. Ain't the old, the former number one pick son, is it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Mario? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, but I'm gonna say God damn time flying.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, this Mario Edwards is. And that was Mario Williams.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Williams, yeah. Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Ocho, if you don't have to be Superman, you shouldn't struggle because I don't need you to take unnecessary risk. I don't need you to put that cape on.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You see how, you see how it doesn't just suppose. Okay, you see?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I'm thinking, well, I don't have to take. I don't have to be Superman. It should be easy. Hand the ball off, make a few plays here or there. Got a defense that can back me up, knowing if I don't turn the ball over, the likelihood of a team driving 70, 80 yards on us.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

We coochie not good. Yeah, we good. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I, I, I don't, I don't get it. But Ocho, I, I don't get.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

He's reflecting on the entirety of his season in a small clip, more so mentioning some of the things he can do better and some of the areas where he needs work.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

But what is, what does his defense having to do with him not having to be Superman? And how does that equate to him turning. I'm Thinking if you don't have to be Superman, you don't have to take the unnecessary risk.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I mean, Josh Allen has to be Superman, and he had to be. And guess what? He did, Ocho. He turned the ball over. If you're saying you don't have to be Superman, I'm just trying to figure out how turnovers come along with that.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Because you don't have to take the risk. You don't have to put the ball in harm's way because you don't have to worry about an offense outscoring you because the likelihood of that. They scoring 28, 31 points on that defense. Not happening without pick six scooping scores, overturn. Yeah, that ain't happening. Yeah, that ain't happening. I. I don't know. I. I just think the thing. Sometimes they. They. You. We. We talk too much.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Just a. In that situation, I'm just disappointed how the season turned out. There are some things that I need to work on. But don't say you struggled because of the defense was so good and you didn't have to be Superman. You only really Superman one year. Ocho. You see, it goes back to that rookie.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I don't think he meant it in the way. In the. In the way you're.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

How am I supposed to take it, Ocho? Tell me, how would you break it? I want you to explain it to me if I was French fry.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I mean, hey, I mean, I think maybe. Maybe we hearing it in two different ways. I think he just. Listen, I made mistakes. He made mistakes in. In the past.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

What does his defense have to do with that, though? Him making mistakes? That's like Ocho, man. Ocho. Well, I did this because Unk made a mistake. What does my mistake have to do with you? Yeah, what does the defense being great have to do with him turning the ball over? This is. Okay, explain that to me. Yeah, him turning the ball over. What does that defense have to do with that?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I have no idea. I have no idea. I just. I just. I'm just listening to the part where he said he. With. On the things that he needs to work on. That's all. That's all. I understand him mentioning the defense as. As good as they were. It shouldn't have looked like it did those last two games. It shouldn't have because we said that on the show before it even played the first playoff game. If they keep the ball out of harm's way, they got a superior chance.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Absolutely superior.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

And they should be playing this weekend. If there were no turnovers, honestly.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Or one. Just don't give up. Five, Ocho. Oh, the man had five fumbles and five picks in two games.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Now, granted, they got. They jumped on. He jumped on a couple of them in Pittsburgh, but don't you. You can't turn up. Hey, what do you have? Four picks in the first half. Yeah, four picks in the first half. Defense. Hey, Will Anderson Jr. Says, hey, you gave it to him. I'm gonna get it back for you. He said, I'm gonna give it right back to him, though. Sometimes when things go good, you say little. When they go bad, you save. Unless.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Wait. He had to talk.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Huh?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

He had to talk today, so. He had to. He had to say something. You know, most of the time we complain about players not stepping up to the mic and not talking when things don't go well.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Disappointed how the season went and just.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Just as it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And I'll be better and then leave. Your struggles. You don't mention your struggles because of the success of the defense. Who? I mean, Ocho, the man been in the league three years. Name the time that you've heard somebody say C.J. stroud put on that Superman cape. I've heard it with Lamar. I've heard it with Josh Allen. I've heard it with my homeboy. I've heard it with Joe Burrow. Tell me the time you've heard somebody say that about C.J. back to C.J. stroud. Derrick Lewis. You know who Derrick Lewis is, right? Ufc. Black Beast.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, yeah. Hey, hey. Matter of fact, hey, I want to fight him.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Derrick Lewis say C.J. stroud might be cursed. Let's take a listen to the reasons, Ocho. Why he says or why he thinks, what he thinks.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Okay. What moves would you like to see the Texans make for next season?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I guess we gotta see what's going on with cj. I think ever since we seen him show up with Amber Rose at the softball game a few years ago and.

[Guest or Analyst]

Kim Kardashian and all that, I'm like, man, it might be like a curse for him.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I don't. Listen, man. Ain't no man, man.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I didn't. I didn't know. I didn't know. You gonna say that, Ocho?

[Guest or Analyst]

Yeah, that.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

That. I don't. I don't like that. So just. Just for that, hey, tell Derrick Lewis, man, he got to see me.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Hear me, Unc?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Like, I'm.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Listen.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I mean, his. His personal life off the field ain't got nothing to do with. On the field. There ain't no goddamn curse Things just didn't go well. He didn't play well. He knows that. He took accountability for that. So now Derrick Lewis. Boy, I. I. You gotta see me at least three rounds. Three rounds.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Three rounds. I don't even know Ocho. You'll go around.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, hey, Unc, let me tell you something. One thing about it right now. We could talk about NFL players. We can do that. We not finna have no outsiders. Whether you're a fan of the team or not. Disrespecting my young colleagues.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

He just said he think that there might be. Ocho, this is not the first time that you've heard about the Kardashian curse. It's not.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, come on. We. We not doing.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I'm not saying. I'm not saying any validity to it. Let's not pretend that you haven't heard about it.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, but ain't. I don't believe in all them. Them super.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You got to realize he's. He's a. He's a Houstonian.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, you know what, Unc?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

What?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You making it worse for Derrick Lewis. Because the more you talk about it, the more I'll beat his ass. I'm for real, man.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

We gotta go down to Houston, man.

[Guest or Analyst]

Who?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Me and you?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Me? But the hell you say? I ain't going nowhere.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

What? That we ain't going to Houston.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

That's the devil's playground. I just got saved. Two months ago. I just got saved.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Hey, I got my pig fork out back. Hey.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Oh, hold on, hold on. So, Derek, Derrick Lewis, he in Houston?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah, he from Houston.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go see him, boy.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I'm gonna have to go see him.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, they got. Where you train at?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You know, he got. They fight Saturday here. He fighting Costa in Vegas. Yes.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Okay. He. Okay. I'm gonna let it. Hey, hey, Chat. Y' all do me a favor. Tell Derrick Lewis I wish him good luck against Costa. Costa, whoever. You got the fight. But after that, after he fight Costa Costa and win and do whatever he needed to do. You got to see me, boy. Octagon boxing ring. MMA wrestling on the ground. Groundwork pounding, man, whatever you want to do. You ain't finna talk about stroud like that, boy. Yeah, see, sometimes when they. When. When the big dudes, you know, they feel. They feel safe being able to comment like that. And they. It ain't no pushback because, don't know, everybody's scared of them. So it takes somebody like me, like, to kind of set the record straight like you ain't. You ain't finna just be able to say what you want to say in front of the camera, Man. They go, my dog, right? Hey, she.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

All right. We got a very special guest joining us. The game against the Rams, he got it started. The punt return got the Seahawks going. And this week he ended the game 13 seconds into the game because the 49ers were ever, never able to recover. He got acquired via trade on November 4th. It might have been. It might be the best trade that has happened in a very, very long time. Here he is, the outstanding return guy for the Seattle Seahawks, Rashid Shahid. Rashid, how you doing, bro?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

See, you muted. You muted.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You muted, bro. Yeah, yeah. There we go. See, I know my girl. My cousin got it. I knew my cousin could figure it out.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Okay. She was good. She was good. What, man? I'm here, man. Just watching you, man. With a smile on my face. Every time I see. Hey, tell me what that feeling is like. Obviously, to go from. To go from New Orleans, things were, eh. It wasn't what it. It wasn't what you would like. You get over there, down there to Seattle, man. What does it feel like to be the reason and part of the reason for the success that y' all have been having lately?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

It's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing. I've enjoyed my time here in Seattle so far, man. The way the city, the team has embraced me. It made the transition so smooth and it's been nothing but a great time, man. So shout out to my coaches and my teammates, man. It's been a hell of a ride so far.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

That's dope.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

That's live to go from New Orleans. And now you're one game away. I mean, when you watched the super bowl growing up as a kid, and now you're one game away from being in that, in that game. And as OO said, you jump started it with that punt return against the Rams. Now, we don't know, you could have gone on the road and still have a level of success, but the role would have probably been a lot more diff. Difficult because instead of playing two games and getting to the super bowl, you'd have had to play three games. And then as I mentioned in the, in, in the lead in, you ended that game 13 seconds against 49ers.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Because once you return that kick, it was over.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

The game was over.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You could. You saw it on their sideline. You saw it, their body language change. It was over from that point. So now what made. What did the. The coach call you you had a white return, a middle wedge. What. What. What the coach call. And when did you see, like, I can get this house call.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah. That specific return on the Rams, we kind of knew that their left side was kind of their. Their weak side, and we called him left return at a. At a perfect time, man. Shout out to my special teams coach. He's a genius. And we made the play work. And as soon as I broke through, kind of, I made the cut up the field, and I knew I could crib it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And the 49ers also, because I mentioned the Rams on that Thursday night, you guys were behind the whole night. It was like. When you returned that punt, it was like. It was. I mean, just like, everybody got energized. And in the 49ers game, the kickoff, you know, bro, I'm like, 13 seconds, the game's over. I mean, normally you like, we gonna play, but they were never able to recover, and. And you've been doing your thing also. They hand you the ball, they'll throw you the ball. They're using you like you always envisioned, and they used you early like that in your career in New Orleans. But now to get an opportunity to go to. To play where you're being used on a team that's really good, with a chance to get to the Super Bowl.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah. No, these are the opportunities that you kind of dream about, you know, as a player growing up. I mean, to. To be in this game coming up is going to be like a dream. As soon as I step on the field, man, it's going to be. All the lights are going to be on. I'm gonna be excited. Everybody's going to be excited. These are the games that you work so hard for. So it's just a blessing to be a part of this team, man. This team has worked so hard to get to this point, and we learned this.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. What is the tr. What is the transition like, been like for you? You know, from a. From an offensive perspective, being able to transition from New Orleans to Seattle and being able to pick up the system. Has it been difficult? Is everything still easy? The terminology?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

How is it?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

It's been smooth. Thankfully, I came into a system that I'm pretty familiar with with New Orleans last year.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Right.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

I had Coach Cool with him in New Orleans for about seven games, so it took me about a week to kind of hear the language, get the formations right. And once you get the formations, everything kind of just flows, and it's been a speedy transition. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

So where were you when you got the call, Rasheed, who told you? I mean, did you. Did you see it scrolling on the media? So where were you when you got the call that you were no longer going to be a New Orleans Saints and you was headed to the Pacific Northwest to be able to be a Seattle Seahawk?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Crazy story. So I. I was pulling in to the Saints facility. I was on my way to. To get some body work done. So get in the tubs, you know what I'm saying, on my off day. And I get the call as I'm pulling in, and it was my financial advisor who called me before anybody else. And he. He kind of said. He said, what do you say? He said, there's no finance. There's no state tax in Seattle. I'm like, what are you talking about? And then he kind of broke the news. He was like, oh, you don't know? He told me so that. That was my first, you know, introduction to all this. And it was so many emotions. It was so many, you know, so much going on in my head.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

But, you know, you ain't gonna get no work. You're like, well, hell, I'm gonna go this last. I'm gonna go get this free last work. I'm gonna get the cold tub, get me. Get some pj.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Well, they said I had. I had to have my bags packed and ready to go in like, four hours, so I didn't have no time to say my goodbye, and I had it. I had to go.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

And that's dope, man.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

That's. That's unbelievable. So now you get there and you mentioned, like, you had Clint. I've known Clint. His dad was my quarterback and my offensive coordinator, Denver. So I've known him since he's like 7, 8 years old. And to see how he's able to attack you guys with JSN and yourself and all those guys, you run the football. What's it. What's it been like? Because like you said, you had him for a little while. You had him for like, seven games when he's calling plays in. In New Orleans. And now he's. He's. He has complete control of this offense. And he trusts Sam Donald. He trusts you guys implicitly.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah. Like you just said, he trusts us and he believes in us, and he lets us. He lets us know that each and every week. And we come in with the same mindset, and he has an expectation for all of us, and that's. To go out and dominate, man. And that's what we do. That's why it's so special to be a part of this group is because we all kind of work together for one goal each and every game, each and every opportunity that we get. You know, we're out there playing for each other, and that's what makes it so special.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You do realize that without you, there's a great chance the Seahawks don't have, because you guys were just milling around, just milling around, and then all of a sudden, the Shaheed bomb exploded. And then not only did you. You get the point return, they hand it down. I think they hand it to you on, like, third down. They had a handoff to you and you go 31 yards down the right sideline.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yes, sir. Yeah. No, that was crazy game. It's an honor to be part of that, you know, moment, being able to bring my team as far as we needed to, you know, ultimately, you know, be a first seed.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Have you been to the market yet? Have you gone where they thought the market where they catch you, where they throw the fish, you get the paper and you catch the fish. Have you caught any fish yet?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

I did it. I got a video. I'm waiting to drop it. You know, I'm Let everybody know that I've been there.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

But.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, did you. Did you catch the fish, though? The first time?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

The first time I caught the fish first time.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Okay. Okay, here's the thing, Ocho. Did you have paper or was it with the bare hands? Because sometimes they'll give you paper, sometimes they let you bare handed.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Bare hands. Bare hands. I wasn't with it at first, though. It was really my mom. My mom was the one who wanted me to go up there and do it. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Gotta do it. Mom wants me to do it. You gotta do it. So.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

So what. What type of fish was it?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Oh, man. Salmon. It was a salmon. Okay.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah. Okay. Are you. You. You like seafood? You do eat seafood?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

I do. I do, yeah. I'm in the right spot, sure.

[Coach or Analyst]

You.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Absolutely. Cause you get it fresh. Coming straight out the Bering Sea.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

The Alaskan king crabs, I mean, you name it, they got it. If they got fish, I ain't never heard. Cause I'm up there like, what the hell is that?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I ain't never heard of that fish or never seen that fish.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Oh, yeah, it's great.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You a healthy eater? Are you, like, big on eating greens and eating healthy and all that?

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Are you?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

I got the Ocho method going on. I got the Ocho.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

There you go. She. There you go.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

No, he said he got the Ocho method going on.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah, I try. I've known the method for a minute now.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

There we go. That's what I'm talking about.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Let's go.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Let's go. Talk about let's go.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

They cook for y'.

[Coach or Analyst]

All.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

They give y' all breakfast, lunch, and dinner. They cook whatever you want. They cook fish. They cook like, salmon. They cook everything. I mean, nice broccoli and rice and Brussels sprouts and cream.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Everything. Everything.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You just ain't talking to you. I'm talking to Rasheed.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

But everything you just name is why everybody keep getting hurt.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Hey, I didn't say that. But, but, but, but. We do eat good, though. Doing good.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

You'll be eating that fast food. I mean, you okay if you eating unhealthy. You letting the Seahawks see Dietitian prepare food, a schooling.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

What you be eating? Sometimes she.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

I'll be eating out sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes.

[Coach or Analyst]

Sometimes.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Not like you. Ocho all the time.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Nah, he said sometimes. He.

[Commercial Voice 3]

It's.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

It's called balance, Unc. It's called balance.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

You definitely got to have balance.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Thank you.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Gotta have balance.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Yeah. Just imagine, Ojo, if I'd have had you. Had you eating right seven, eight time first team all Pro.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

I was.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

And. And I got you. I got you a couple 120 catch seasons.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Nah, we don't throw the ball that.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Much back then, you would. You've been me. You'd had to get. I said, we got to get Ocho to rock.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

They won't listen to you.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Well, she made. Congratulations, man. Good luck. Stay healthy. Do you like it? Do you like being in Seattle? You want to remain in Seattle?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah, I'm loving it. I'm loving it. I feel like they brought me here for a reason, and that's to stay. So that. That's it. That's it. I'm. I'm gonna see how to see y'.

[Guest or Analyst]

All. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. You married?

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

No, no, I'm single, man.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Are you single? I got somebody for you, too, boy.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Hey, let me know.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah. She don't speak no English, though.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

That's okay.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

I told y' all that my cousin. Y' all heard what he said? Yeah, I told you that. My cousin.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Yeah, I got you. I'm gonna let you focus. I'm gonna let you focus.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

After y' all win the super bowl and I got you.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Yeah. Hit me this off season about that and about training, too.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

Hey, matter of fact. Hey, come back.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Come.

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

You know, JSN came to the receiver camp, the other wide receiver workshop. Last year, man. Come on down here, man.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Hey, let's get a little work in, okay?

[Host 2 (Unk/Ocho's Co-host)]

More definitely.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Well, congratulations, man. The trade, everything has worked out brilliantly. You're one game. You're one win away from me. Reaching your ultimate team destination, which is getting to the Super Bowl. So congratulations. Stay healthy. Rasheed Shahid, the great return man for the Seattle Seahawks. And he plays a little offense also. Thank you, man. Thanks for joining us, bro.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Appreciate you guys. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Appreciate you, man.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Take care.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

Oh, man.

[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

All right, fellas.

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[Host 1 (Ocho)]

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[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

Whoa.

[Host 1 (Ocho)]

That's too bad.

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[Guest Athlete (Rashid Shahid)]

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