Best of NFL News Part 2: Does Jameis Winston DESERVES start over Russell Wilson? + Shannon Sharpe APOLOGIZES to Daron Payne After Wrongly BLAMING Him for St. Brown Fight

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 2

Date: November 15, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Co-Hosts: Keyshawn Johnson, Daniel Jeremiah, Marcus Grant

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe and his rotating panel of NFL insiders dive into a wide spectrum of NFL news and storylines. Main topics include whether Jameis Winston deserves to start over Russell Wilson, Shannon publicly apologizing to Daron Payne after wrongly blaming him for a fight with Amon-Ra St. Brown, assessments of player challenges (including injuries and mental grind), playful banter around NFL antics, and candid advice on the harsh realities of life in pro football. Tone throughout balances high-level football analysis, locker-room stories, and heartfelt personal reflections.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jameis Winston vs. Russell Wilson (Should Winston Start?)

[03:15 – 09:30]

• The Situation:
  Giants interim coach Mike Kafka opts to start Jameis Winston at QB in Week 11 over Russell Wilson, with Jackson Dart sidelined by injury.

• Coaching Motivation:

  • Keyshawn Johnson: “The interim coach is trying to get a spark, a spark out of the offense. They’ve seen enough…from Russell Wilson…they want to see what Jameis Winston can…do.” (03:37)
  • The Giants likely out of playoff contention but hope Winston provides energy and competition as Dart recovers.

• Jameis Winston’s Upside & Downside:

  • Sharpe: “He’s the number one pick in the draft for a reason. He won the Heisman Trophy…led his team to a national championship. So we know he has the talent…But he’s been turnover prone far too much.” (04:29, 06:06)
  • Keyshawn (on entertainment factor): “I know one thing about this move. It's gonna be exciting because ain’t no telling what the hell gonna happen.” (05:53)

• Key Theme:
  Winston’s inconsistency is his key challenge—the conversation notes his tendency for “tremendous highs, incredible lows” making the start both risky and potentially rewarding.

• Leadership Dynamics:

  • Sharpe: “I'm not surprised that Jamis is getting the start because you know why Russ is not going to be there next year. They've already seen what Russ can do. Let's see if Jamis can give us that spark.” (07:37)

2. NFL Injuries, Mental Grind, and Veteran Burnout

[14:38 – 22:33]

• Jaire Alexander Stepping Away:

  • News discussed about Eagles CB Jaire Alexander stepping away after a mid-season trade.
  • Johnson: “Getting the opportunity to play in the NFL…each year is so precious…Maybe it’s personal. Whatever it may be, I don’t want to speculate, but if he needs to step away to get his mind right…then so be it.” (15:18)

• Sharpe’s Candid Perspective:

  • “As you start to get older…it’s a mental grind…The monotony of it…I just couldn’t…” (16:45)
  • On playing with injury: “There’s nothing worse than being injured and trying to go play…at a level people are accustomed to.” (17:09)

• Accountability and Perception:

  • Sharpe: “People don’t know you’re injured. They don’t give a damn if you’re injured…You out there, I’m expecting you to make the same plays.” (21:12)

3. Coach Mike McDaniel Trolls Bills Fans

[27:42 – 34:34]

• The Incident:
  After a win over the Bills, Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel drives by a popular Bills fan bar to troll fans.

• Playful Banter:

  • Is the viral video AI or real? Panel jokes about tech and Miami’s car culture.
  • Sharpe: “Even coaches gotta be petty…We finally got a win…Had to stun on them.” (34:29)
  • Keyshawn: “You don’t really get this from coaches. Sometimes I think his players love this.” (32:54)

• Football Culture:
  Sharpe and Johnson swap stories about how celebratory antics can cross the line in hostile cities, referencing Raiders fans and old-school traditions.

4. Shannon Sharpe’s Public Apology to Daron Payne

[36:03 – 41:42]

• The Incident:

  • Sharpe previously criticized Daron Payne for a fight with Amon-Ra St. Brown, but new video evidence shows St. Brown instigated.
  • Sharpe: “Let me be the loudest and say, bro, I’m sorry. I’m sorry for judging you without knowing all the facts…Amon-Ra St. Brown absolutely hit this man unprompted.” (36:53)

• Lessons on Accountability:

  • “As a man…I’m never gonna be too big to say, I’m sorry…Duron Payne, I’m sorry bro. I am so sorry.” (38:04)

• Discussion on Player Conduct:

  • Keyshawn: “It’s the game within a game…How can I get under somebody’s skin to give my team an advantage…” (39:30)
  • Sharpe: “Keep your hands and your feet to yourself…My grandma used to always say, boy, keep your hands and your feet to yourself…” (41:11)

• Notable Quote:

  • Sharpe: “Actions without consequences, there is no lesson learned.” (47:09)

5. Locker Room Stories & Toughness

[42:41 – 44:23]

• War Stories:
  Keyshawn describes going after Ray Lewis after a physical play:

  • “I was in the locker room looking for Ray…We weren’t even playing at home.” (42:58)
  • Reflects on rivalry games: “Some of the joyous times…playing the Ravens and the Steelers…I call it a two chin strap game.” (43:38–43:57)

• Football Brotherhood:

  • Keyshawn: “That’s why I like social media—back in your days, you lose touch…now it’s easy...” (44:23)

6. Michael Penix, Jr. & Mental Support in the NFL

[50:11 – 55:02]

• Press Conference Soundbite:
  Penix credits his fiancée for mental support after tough games, more than coaching staff.

• Panel’s Take:

  • Keyshawn: “No, y’all keep laughing! It’s supposed to be tough love…your fiancée’s supposed to be the first one, ‘Baby, you can play better than that.’” (52:08)
  • Sharpe: “This is a grown man’s business…Ain’t nobody holding your hand in the NFL.” (55:02)

• On Players' Supports:
  Panel explains that pro athletes often turn to old coaches or trusted mentors from earlier in their journey, not current pro coaches.

7. The Harsh Realities of Roster Cuts and NFL Life

[55:42 – 62:29]

• Ruthless Business:

  • Sharpe: “Coaches get numb to it…A possibility we might bring you back…I'm telling you how it is.” (57:21, 58:07)
  • On being a late-round pick and fear of cuts: “I remember…I was [in the] Clarion Hotel…phone rang…They got your boy, man.” (59:00–59:53)

• Lessons from Special Teams:

  • “The more you can do, the better your chances are…Tell me what my responsibility is, I’m gonna carry that out good.” (61:08–62:29)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Winston Question Mark:
  “Anytime James is in, there ain’t no telling. And I can’t wait.”
  — Keyshawn Johnson (05:58)

• Sharpe Owns His Error:
  “Let me be the loudest and say, bro, I’m sorry. I’m sorry for judging you without knowing all the facts.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (36:53)

• On Player Perceptions:
  “People don’t know you’re injured. They don’t give a damn if you’re injured…You out there, I’m expecting you to make the same plays.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (21:12)

• Rules of the Game:
  “Keep your hands and your feet to yourself…”
  — Shannon Sharpe (41:11)

• Life Lessons:
  “Actions without consequences, there is no lesson learned.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (47:09)

• On NFL Reality:
  “This is a grown man’s business…Ain’t nobody holding your hand in the NFL.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (55:02)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Giants QB Switch: Winston > Wilson – [03:15 – 09:30]
• Jaire Alexander’s Mental & Physical Struggles – [14:38 – 22:33]
• Mike McDaniel Trolling Bills Fans – [27:42 – 34:34]
• Sharpe’s Public Apology to Daron Payne – [36:03 – 41:42]
• Locker Room Rivalries & Brotherhood – [42:41 – 44:23]
• Michael Penix, Jr. & Player Mental Support – [50:11 – 55:02]
• NFL Roster Cuts — Cold Hard Truth – [55:42 – 62:29]

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Takeaways

• The NFL’s ever-spinning quarterback carousel carries hefty emotional, leadership, and competitive stakes for players and teams.
• Behind-the-scenes stories highlight how mental and physical wear affect even the most gifted pros, and how transparency, the right support, and accountability are key.
• The football world, from coaches to players, is more cutthroat than most realize—and the panel doesn’t sugarcoat the business side.
• Despite the intensity, the show is laced with humor, humility, and wisdom—emphasizing what makes the NFL both brutal and beautiful.

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For listeners seeking nuanced locker room stories, candid takes on leadership and player development, and the unique camaraderie (and pettiness) that defines the NFL, this episode is a must.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Keyshawn Johnson]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Marcus Grant]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Russell Wilson will start as quarterback in Week 11 against the packers with Jackson Dart on the sideline. Man, pass over Russ, who was the start of the season, then went to number two.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dark gets hurt. Russ goes to number. He's numbers two still. Yes. James leapfrogs him. Oh, Joe. What, what, what do you, what do you think? What do you think about this?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I think, I think the coaches, obviously the interim coach is trying to get a spark, a spark out of the offense. They, they've seen enough. I'm assuming from Russell Wilson being the starter when Jackson Dart went in and then hearing the reaction from the crowd and, and the offense really not being able to, to, to, to get going. They, they, they, they want something new. They want to see what James was. Jameis Winston can get in there and do and see if they can have, you know, somewhat of a spark. We all know he is one that's liked by everybody and he can have flashes of brilliance on the field. The only thing with Jameis Winston, all we need is a little consistency. Can we consistency out of you week in and week out and give us a chance? Listen, I think our playoff, their playoff chances are probably out the door. What keep us a, keep our team and head above water and let us compete, you know, until the end of the season. Well, I'm sure Jack will come back. What, maybe what, in two weeks?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably so at least, I mean, he's going well. He's out this week. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe they missed. Maybe give him two weeks, Ocho, because like I said, since the preseason, this is the fourth time now we know he's been checked for a concussion. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, Joe. So this is Jameson, first time getting, getting action during the season. Yeah. This is James first time starting for the Giants. Yeah, I think, I think he played, he played a little bit. He played, I think one preseason game. He played in one preseason game, played really well. But like Ocho said, Jameis problem has always been consistent consistency. Look, he's the number one pick in the draft. He won the Heisman Trophy as a freshman. He led his team to a national championship. So we know he has the talent to play, but he's been turnover prone far too much. We don't, we saw last year he threw for almost 500 yards. But it was the turnovers that really. That really cost this team a victory. Right. Right. Tremendous highs, incredible lows. So he just has to find a way to be consistent. And if he can be consistent, that gives him a chance to be successful, and it also gives his chance, his team a chance to be successful. Yeah, I want to say I'm surprised, but I. I don't. I don't. I don't think I am. I don't think I'm surprised by this move because, hey, I know one thing.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I know one thing about this move. It's gonna be exciting because ain't no telling what the hell gonna happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Anytime James is in, there ain't no telling. And I can't. I can't wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got the five and five.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah. Five touchdown, five in the seven. That doesn't mean we change. I was talking about when you left. I said if he just. If he's just consistent. Ocho, the man's the number one pick in the draft for a reason. He won a Heisman trophy, let the team to a national championship.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

You can throw that ball, boy.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't turn it over, though, Ocho.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're never going to be that great that you can overcome the amount of turnovers that he have. Remember last year, Ocho, what was that? A Thursday night game against the Broncos. He threw for damn near 500, but it was the pick six. It was the three turnovers that ended up undoing the great job that he had done. Remember, Jerry Judy goes back, has 235 yards receiving. He and James was. Was cutting up. Yeah. And then James, they started housing him.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. So we. The last guy we had on KC Conception, and there are some people in the chat kind of making fun of him. They like, man, let everybody else talk in a situation like that. I had already gotten brief that he has a speech impediment, and when he gets nervous or he gets anxious, he stutters. Stutters. So that's why you heard him repeat himself a lot. But if you notice, Ocho, when we first started, he gave us one word answers and go, yes. Yeah. And so instead of going to let you ask them something, let Joe ask something. I said, let me. Let me get him comfortable. Let me get him relaxed. Once he gets relaxed, he'll slow down. He'll feel more comfortable. But. Because Right. Every time he talks, he thinks people are judging him. So if you think somebody's judging him, what you going to do? I'm not going to talk. I'm be reclusive.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Say. Well, I'm going to say as little as possible. Yeah, you're right. And then he gonna clam up. But if you notice, once we got him comfortable, we started talking about cooking. We started talking about things that he likes and he feel comfortable with. You see, I open up and you couldn't even tell. So that's why we. I kind of took the approach that I took and, and a lot of times, yeah, sometimes I'll let Ocho because if it's somebody like, like I know Ocho knows, I'll let Ocho lead it off. But in this situation, I just felt instead of going back, ping pong, you know, tennis and ping pong back and forth. I just felt, let me start it, let me get him comfortable. Somebody that had a speech impediment, still talks with a list, have a heavy cloakal southern dialect. Let me make him comfortable and we can get him comfortable, we can get him to open up. Because it's hard to have an interview and if a guy just continuously gives us one word answers. So that's kind of why the approach that we took, the approach that we took tonight with this gentleman. But he did great. Look forward for him to coming back. And once we started talking about, hey, he started cooking Valentine's Day. I just so hope you got done what you need to get done before you cook that. You put them heavy potatoes and steak in the system. She going right to sleep out. But I'm not, I can't say that I'm surprised that Jamis is getting the start because you know why Russ is not going to be there next year. They've already seen what Russ can do. Let's see if, let's see if Jamis can give us that spark. Cause that's what Jackson Dart did. Jackson Dart came in and gave him a spark. Oo, yeah. Yeah. Now let's see. Let's see. Because they saw Russia come in and the offense just went in the tank, the defense went in the tank, everything just went to hell in a hand basket. They said, let's see if Jameis can give us a spark like he's done so many times before. He did New Orleans for a while. He did it in Cleveland last year. So let's see if he can give us a spark.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe. Eagles quarterback Jahir Alexander has stepped away from football retirement as according to Diana Rossini, Alexander is 2028 in his eighth professional season and his first away from the packers, the team that drafted him 18th out of Louisville in 2018. On November 1st, the Ravens traded Alexander and. Excuse me. And the 2027 seventh round pick to the Eagles for a 2026 sixth round pick. Alexander played just two games for Baltimore before being moved, tallying five tackles. Ocho, what's. What's going on is, you know, me, you know, injuries. Is it desire? What. What do you think? A combination?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I don't know. I. I don't know. I'm gonna be honest with you, when it comes to someone that, that I, That I've always enjoyed watching like Jay Alexander, understanding what he brings to the table as, As a defender, obviously I think injuries have hampered his career a little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It does.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

And kind of derailed everything. So I don't know what's going on with him mentally, but it has to be some of that nature because getting the opportunity to play in the NFL and understanding that NFL stands for. Not for long. You only get so much time, you know, and, and each year is so precious as, as years go by. It has to be something going wrong there. May it. Maybe. Maybe it's personal. Whatever it may, may be, I don't, I don't want to speculate, but if he needs to step away from the game to get his mind right, to get his personal issues right, then, Then. Then so be it. I see that fit because that does come first. Football comes second to whatever you have going on in your life. So I hope he rectified that situation, you know, expeditiously so he can get back on the field and we can get that same Jay Alexander we once saw down in Green Bay because that, he's. He's a great talent. He's a great talent and a great fit for where he is now. So I hope he. I hope he comes back at some point and is able to contribute defensively when those boys make that playoff push.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What year. What year. What year is this for him? How many years he been? Eight. Eight?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, he's only 28 years of age.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, DBS play a long time, Joe. They could play a long time if.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you got it. The thing is, as you start to get older, it's a, It's a mental grind because, you know, stuff, I mean, you know, you know coverages and, you know, you know how to study film, you understand down and distance, you understand position on the field, you understand, you know, you know, you understand tendencies, route combinations, wide receiver, how they Lined up, Ocho. So you know all of that.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, boy, this here got to be strong because it gets so monotonous. You hear the same thing. That's what really, you know, for me, that's what kind of drove me away, is that the monotony of it. I just could. If maybe if I went to a different offense and I had to apply myself, but. But he's dealing with a knee injury. There's. Joe, you know this. Ocho, you ain't never been injured, so you don't. Joe, you know this. When you're injured, there ain't nothing like. There's nothing worse than being injured and trying to go play and then play at a level that people are accustomed to you playing at.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if the mind ain't right, the grind can't be tight. No, sir. Because that's what the NFL. That's what pro sports is. It's a grind. Yeah. And you hear. If you hear LeBron, LeBron, don't ever say anything about his body. He always talks about his mind. He said, long as I can keep my mind sharp, I can play 23, 24, 25 season. Yeah, because some injuries pile up, bro. They pile up. And you can't. You. You can't go out there and be the person who you, you know, you really want to be because of these injuries, these knickknacks that you may have, right? And it hinders your game, man. It hinders your game, and it takes love away. It takes the love away. It takes the love and passion away. And that's why a lot of guys retire early or they quit playing. It's not. It's not that they don't like football or basketball. It's because the grind has become too much. Yeah. Especially if you oo. If you're an elite player.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

See, if you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you're a special teams player or a player that, you know, you're the fourth corner, there ain't no expectations. But see, once you're here, like a penny, hard away. We got. We got penny up here. Like, man, I can't. Man, I can't do this. Yeah, you. You can't. John Alexander was an All Pro. He's a Pro bowl player. Ocho.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah. And he got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm like, ocho, something ain't right. I told you. I said, oh, yo, something ain't right. You can look at him and tell. I'm like, man, I don't watch this, man. I watched this man coming to the league. He's one of the better Corners. He looked like a shell of himself. Yeah. And when you watch yourself. If you watch yourself on tape, because sometimes you might not know it until you see it. Because we get a lot of times on your people, like. I ain't say that. I ain't say that. Ryan, the tape. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

That's me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said that. Yeah. So you don't see yourself play in real time. You got to go back and watch the tape. And you looking like that film don't lie at all. The reason why film don't lie. The film don't. Don't know how much money you making. It don't know if you black, if you're white. You went to Notre Dame, you went to Savannah State. That's all it does. It captures what is being focused on, man. What? And you can't. Man, I did this, I did that. Let me hit that rewind button. Tell me which one. Hey, hey. What? What? Oh, Joe. Joe, what did you. Oh, Joe, what did you say you did? Okay, here we go. Listen, let's watch it. Hey, it ain't nothing worse. It ain't nothing worse than at that game, boy. You get in there and coach got that clicker and he rewinding this same play, and you. And you like, oh, my God. Yeah, I know. Like watching yourself on film, bro. And you look like some slouch stir fry out there. Yes. Look, I used to be in the game thinking like, well, I cannot look like no trash on film tomorrow. Same thing, Joe.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't gonna miss my assignments. Yeah. We gotta win this game, cuz. If we lose this game, they gonna show this film. Lord, please let us. Hey, John, please make a play. Let us come back.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause I don't want nobody to see. Boy, I was. I was terrible. What? Hey, Shaw, what you doing this play? I. I think I got him. Nothing. Nothing. That's what Sean did on this play. I Absolutely, totally nothing. That's what Sharp did. But. But it's tough. It is tough when you've been a. A really good player for a period of time and then injuries won't allow you to be that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't know you're injured. Let me tell you something else. They don't give a damn if you're injured. All they know is they see tweet, they see Alexander on the back of that jersey. They saw Johnson on the back of that jersey. They saw Ocho Cinco in the back of that jersey. They. They don't give a damn about. You got an ankle or toe or knee or hip or back. They give the damn about that. You out there, I'm expecting you to make the same plays that I've seen you make time and time again for the last five, 10 years. Make them now. Yes, sir. Absolutely right. Your teammates have the same expectations and they put that, your teammates put that pressure on you. Hey, you, you gonna, you go. Hey, you'll be good to go Sunday, right? Damn, dude, it's Tuesday.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. You know, hey. And then the coaches, you know, we gonna put the game plan. We know we, we relying on you. Cause we got you in the game playing. Y' all ain't having the game plan. Before I got hurt. Now you got me in the game playing now, Ocho. Yeah, now I'm in the game plan. But it, it's tough. I. I've been in Jair's shoes where I've been injured and knowing I'm hurt. But all they see is 84 and they see sharp on the back of that jersey. Yeah. Expectations don't change.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, what's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks. If you love breaking down football from every angle, you're in the right place. Every week on Move the six, Brooks and I dive deep into the game, from the X's and O's to the front office moves shaping the league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We kick things off with Brian Balinger breaking down what really went down on Sunday. It is as good a timing, rhythm offense as there is in the league right now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Then Rhett Lewis joins us for our rookie draft and coordinator of the week, where we highlight the rising stars and the masterminds calling the shots. DJ talked me into a Ronde Gadsden Jr.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had a monster game.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Marcus Grant]

Hey, y', all, it's me, your man, M.G. marcus Grant.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I'm Michael F. Florio.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm Laquan Jones.

[Marcus Grant]

If you're looking to win your fantasy football league, you need to tune in to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast. It's right there in the name. Every week, Florio, LQ and I bring you the latest news from around the league. We break down every matchup, give you our analysis and advice so you know who to start, sit, drop and trade to bring that championship trophy home.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I just want to remind everyone how good Rasheed Rice was last season. In these three healthy games, he was the wide receiver. Two in fantasy I think Rasheed Rice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just goes off this week. The Chiefs come on. A flip pass to Rice near side. Touchdown.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Ramandre Stevens is my sleeper this week. This is a matchup where I think I can slide in Stevenson in my flex position and he could deliver double digit points this week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Drake takes the snap, hands it off. Ray running it right and running into the end zone. Touchdown.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you gonna like this story. On his way home from blowing out the Bills, Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel drove by elbow evil, Elbow room, Elbow room. A bar with Bills fan congregate when Buffalo's in town to troll their fans. McDaniel was asked about it today. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

[Marcus Grant]

Or is that real?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Well, you know, that's the, that's why like the good old days, you know, the, the throwbacks of yore we you could trust, you know, the, the Internet and the images because it, you know, it is pretty detailed that, you know, I do live in that area. But I mean, AI right.

[Narrator/Announcer]

So that doesn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was that you. Are you confirming or denying?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I mean, I live in that area. AI is real. That's what I got for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I like it. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two things can be true. He can live in that area. Well, three things. Yeah, he lives in that area. AI is real. And that was him.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, which one is it? Do you think it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, it was him. It's video of him. It's him. Is that him right there?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, you heard me. You got. Hey listen, I'm looking at it. You got to be careful though, because you know, AI don't play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that, is that Ocho? So, so, so AI put him in a Bentley. They could have put him in any other car?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

No, that's. That's a Benz. He driving Benz.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a Bentley. So they could have been. So they ain't put it. They put him in no. They ain't put him in no Honda. They put him in no, no Super. They put him in nothing. They put him in that.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Is that him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who is that?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, hey. That's funny though. That's funny. That's funny. I. I like. I like Mike McDaniel, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You beat a team for the first time in seven meetings. It's your first time beating him since 2022.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's what you got. What's the Dolphins record?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Have a little fun, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're three and seven.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Have a little fun. Hey, wait a minute. He just dry. He's just driving by. That's all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, I don't know many. Most people that are famous, they ain't got their window down so you can see them.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, this is Miami.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know what. I know where he's at. Let me ask you a question.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, listen. Hey. Down here in Miami, even the locals famous. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Schedule, Pull up the. The first. The first 10 games.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Whoo.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I got some coffee, hunk. I. I hit a wall. I got some coffee now. My baby. My baby done sent me some coffee. We could be on this at 3:00 in the morning. Now I'm ready.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got. We. We pull up. We pull up. We pulling. We pull up the schedule. Cause I want to know.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I tell you what. I'll tell you one thing. I can tell you one thing about this schedule. You getting ready to pull up. If the Dolphins play like they played against the goddamn Bills, we'll run the goddamn. I'll tell you that. And I'm very confident with that. I'm very confident.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you this. When they lost 33. 8 to the Colts, he lived in that area. Did he ride through with the window down? I would. Do you like Jasmine Crockett did? It's a yes or no. My colleagues want me to ask you. It's a yes or no. So when they lost 33 to 8 to the Colts, yes or no, did he ride by slow with the window down with his arm out the window?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Well, it was hard to. Cause it was 80 when they lost.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To the Patriots at home. 33, 7. 3327. Did he do that then?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Uh huh. Now that he didn't do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He didn't do it then.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, he didn't do it that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so what about the Chargers?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, hey, that was another one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did he do it then?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

No, he had to go the other way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. So he moved. He just moved in this area. He just moved in this neighborhood.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, he just got that late.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. I get it that the. When they lost 28 to 6 to Miami. I mean, did he drive slow, homie? Did he pull a Paul wall? Did he drive slow, homie, or did he pull a wheel? Smith. You know, summertime, two miles an hour, so everybody sees you.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Summer, summer, summertime. That's the throwback. What you know about that? I'm gonna sit back and unwind now, I think, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's a. That's not his real. I think that's a. I think the Isley Brothers or somebody did. That was original Isley Brothers.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Or they got the rent. They got the. They got the original Earth, Wind and Fire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did the. Might have been Earth, Wind and Fire.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, my. That was funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even coaches done got to be petty. Now, hold on. I think. Because I think. Didn't Sean Payton have the. Have the bus drive through the city? Cause that used to be a thing to have the bus driver drive through the. Drive around the stadium. For real.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, that's funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

And you know. You know what I do like, you don't really get this from coaches. Sometimes I think players. Hey, I know, I know. His players love this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what was it? Broad street playing Rocky?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah. Sean Payton got that kind of personality.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Too bad. See, this is that kind of stuff. I would like. Like, we beat somebody, but you got to be careful, man. You know, I think, like, you play the Raiders back when the Raiders was in Oakland.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, no, you ain't doing that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or when you play them in the Coliseum, these should be the bad people.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They throw a whole car battery through that window. Hold on.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, hold on. Without thinking twice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it's cool in the game. Somebody said it's cool twice. Summer. I think it's called summer madness.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah. That was cooling the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, cooling. Yeah. Ocho, contrary to what you think, a lot of these songs that's being played that you really, really love.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah. It's re. Coming somewhere saying samples.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. But not look. Oh, and it's matted. So. Hey, I put you in a matted, matted building. They ain't making. They ain't making regular, black, white, blue. Ocho, they got it matted, right?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, my God. Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Let me grab my sugar, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, look, I'm gonna have me some Fun. We finally gotta. We finally got a win after.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many losses? We finally got a win. Ah, well, let's see. One, two, three. They had lost four of the last five, so. Yeah, yeah, we had. We had. We had. We had to. Had to stun on them, but, hey, gotta try to have some fun. They gotta. They got a big game. What they of Spain. They play. Don't they play. They play the Commanders, right? They play the Commanders in Spain. So.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, yeah, I. I beat up my. I leave my flight at 8. 8 in the morning. Hey, hey, what's. What's. What's Splint. Splendor. You ever heard of that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, most people have. Yeah, it's a. It's a substitute. Wow. What's up? What's going on, man?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I got my coffee, but they. They sent my coffee without putting. Put the sugar. I ain't never seen no splendor before. Most of the time, I just get brown sugar, white sugar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You put brown sugar.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Splendor. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

You know, cafe con leche, latte.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You okay? Sure.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you ain't got no problem? You ain't got no problem with this?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, hell no. You know. You know, I'm petty. I'm petty anyway. You know, I'm petty even at the win. Even listen and people. People say, oh, y' all gotta lose a record. Well, we didn't lose a night, so I'm gonna have some fun. We didn't lose a night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, and he.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

He had. Mike McDaniel has the personality to be able to get away with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. We got. New video has emerged. Wait, what happened? The Ron Payne punching Almond Ross St. Brown. Okay, after this video, are we gonna watch? We can't show the video. Well, I'm a firm believer guy. Y' all know who I am. Yeah, I was the strongest in. In. In. In. In. What I thought Daron Payne did was absolutely wrong. Duron Payne reached out to me today on dm, and he was very, very respectful. And I'm not going to get to specifics, but. But basically he was saying, og, I appreciate you. I love the way you played the game. Everything that you was able to accomplish. You were great. He said, but I didn't unprompt. Just unload on old boy.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he said he sent me the video since I was the strongest in my. My critique of the Ron Payne. Let me be the loudest and say, bro, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for judging you without knowing all the facts, because all I know is what. What Was shown, right? Almond Ross St. Brown absolutely hit this man unprompted. They were in a little shove and back and forth. And then he got a little quick when he. You know how we do a little thing right here. Nobody looking.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, hey, Uncle Chicken Wing. He get heated with chicken wing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Javon. Kid Law, I owe you an apology, too, because you said he did hit the Ron Payne first, and we didn't. I didn't believe you, so I want to apologize to you. But the biggest apology goes to Duron Payne. And I'm glad you did it, because like my grandma used to say, I might not break. I might not stop you, but I damn sure break you the habit. I guarantee you, Armin Ross St. Brown was dead ass wrong. Daron Payne. You should have. See, you don't get to do something to somebody and then talk about that was an overreaction. Keep your hands to yourself.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said he told. Now, this is what Amara St. Brown said Sunday and Monday before the video surface and say, yeah, he hit him because now he don't have a leg to stand on. Ocho and Joe, he said, you know, back and forth. He didn't say nothing too crazy. But he never mentioned the part that he hit the Ron Payne in the face first. That never came out of his mouth, right? Duron Payne. I'm sorry, bro. I am so sorry. As a man, I've never. And I've told you guys, y' all heard me say this on Undisputed. I'm never gonna be too big to say. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm never gonna be too prideful. I'm never gonna be too wealthy. I'm never gonna be anything where I can't say, I'm sorry. I was wrong. Daron paid.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I was wrong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you should. I wish you to knock this ass out. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, hey, don't keep your hands. Keep your hands to yourself or show. Your grandma told you that. Your mom told you that, Joe. I know you heard it. Cause you from this. Oh, so you from the South, Miami, like the South. Like we look at. Like. Like we look at. Like we look at Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi and all Arkansas, all those states. Go ahead.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I understand. You're supposed to keep your hand to yourself. I understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Before you go, Ocho, can I ask the NFL, what punishment are y' all gonna levy against Amara St. Brown?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I don't know. I don't know. But listen, you know the rules. You know the rules. And they talk about it in meetings before season starts. About getting angry. They always see the second person that throws a punch. They always see the second person that shoves every time. So Amaranth Brown is playing a game within the game, understanding, well, hello, I'm a chicken wing. I'm a chicken wing him, you know, and see if I can get him in trouble real quick. And it worked. It worked. And he lost his temple, you know, that's the game within a game. How can I get under somebody's skin to give my team an advantage now? It was wrong. Yes, it was wrong. It was wrong, huh? Yeah. I'd be the first to say it, but, you know, it's. It's trick. It's tricks to the trade. Now you say you should. You should have knocked him out. Now, I don't think that would have happened because they would have had to jump the wrong. Now, we don't want that to happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now they want to jump. You see? Hey, ain't no you say no nobody grabbing when he slapped. When he slapped five from him and the official standing right there because Ocho, here's the thing. You're absolutely right. The maybe. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Joe and Ocho, the official didn't see it. But just like they replayed it and saw what Duran Daron Payne did, I guarantee you they replayed it and saw what Amon Ross St. Brown did.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, so did they. Did they find or suspend the run pain? They suspended for one game without pay. Huh? So they. So now that they go back and look at the tape, what's gonna happen? I'm on St. Brown. I don't know, but something a fine should be levied. Keep your hands and your feet to yourself. If you blocking me, I get that. You pancake me and step in my chest, I get that. But keep your hands to yourself.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Especially on that football field because I can do anything I want to and it's not a crime. They might suspend me, they might throw a penalty, but it's not a crime. Keep your hands to yourself. I don't know what possessed him to do what he did. That's a grown man. I don't know if the Ron Payne has a wife. I don't know if he has kids or anything, but keep your. My grandma used to always say, boy, keep your hands and your feet to yourself. She said, boy, if somebody put their hands or their feet on him, you do everything you can to try to break them, see?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, you heard what you just said, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, not hey, Joe, I told you that story. I told you that story where Ray knocked my Hammond off and he ended up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, hey. Were you laughing, Joe? Joe boy. I was in the locker room looking for Ray, boy, and we. We weren't even playing at home. We were playing it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was two weeks later. You was unconscious. You don't even remember when y' all was actually playing for Ray. Two weeks later.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

No, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all was playing the Bills. Ray played for the Raven. You talking about where Ray at? Where. Where's Sugar?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. I was looking for Sugar after that game. I'm telling you, like, hold on, Joe. I was upset, right? Thinking to myself, hold on. Now, me and Ray, we pray before the game. We go over a scripture before every game, whether we playing each other or not, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? We like this your man, honey. Grand.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, we don't say it a prayer before the game. And we get in the game. We get in the game. And now you act like you don't know me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know me.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

But we pray. You just try to knock my helmet off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

My helmet went flying by 30 yards, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sure did. Hey, hey, look, Ocho, you know, in between them lines, man, no friends.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, listen, he probably pray.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He don't. He don't. He don't really knock you. Knock you out.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, but you got to realize them guys, defensive players go to a different place, man.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, I was in a different place after the game because I was in y' all locker room security had long ago, Joe. They had to come get me out the locker room, Joe B. To whoop on him. You hear me? Why you don't that. But you don't do nothing like that. But if you. If we do, Joe, you can't sit there and say a prayer with me. We can't read the scripture. And you go out there and try to kill me on the field. Do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now he was saying, lord, forgive me what I'm about to do to Ocho. Lord, I know I've come a long way and I'm trying to do better in my life, but any sins that I commit on this field today, please forgive them.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, Joe. And the funny thing about it, Joe, is when. When people ask me, who is your favorite team to go against? It was always the rate it was. It was always the Ravens and the Steelers, Joe. Because one thing about it, I call it a two chin strap game, Joe. You had that. You got. You had to bring 210 straps to that goddamn game, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you had to get some sleep tonight. For that game, Joe.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

It was hell. It was hell. And I. I enjoyed it because you had no choice but to raise your level of play. You had no truth but the raise 11 play. And then you got my crazy ass who talk during the week and give everybody bullets board material on purpose, you know? So, I mean, there was some of the. Some of the. Some of the joyous times for me during them days, man. I. I loved it, man. I love that. I love Ray.

[Marcus Grant]

Great.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I mean, still to this day, man, just being able to. Being able to see and. And stay in contact. That's why I like social media so much most of the time. Like, you know, back in your days, you kind of lose touch with everybody unless you go to a certain event. They make it so much easy, Joe, man, it just. I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I don't know if the Ron Paint Duron. I don't know if you're watching this, but I hope you get this. I hope you hear it for yourself. But if somebody. If you don't hear it for yourself, hopefully someone close to you, a family friend or loved one gets you this and let them and tell you Shannon Sharp did it. Did indeed apologize, because you were not wrong. You were wrong for getting caught. You weren't wrong for what you did because everybody keep their hand. You regrown out here. Ain't nobody, to my knowledge. I'm in Ross St. Brown. Ain't got no kids any damn sure ain't got no kids. 30, 31 years of age. Keep your hands to yourself. Treat it like the zoo. What they tell you, Ocho, when you go to the zoo?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hold on. And the museum. Don't. Don't touch nothing. I tell my kids, as a matter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of fact, unless you catch the pass or block it, keep your damn hands in your pocket, get one little fanny muffin, you walk back. Because I'm telling you, he did right, Ocho. But see, the problem that I have is that he lied. And he had everybody believing that he did absolutely nothing until he got caught. And then I think it was today, he's like, yeah, I kind of nudged him. It don't matter. You don't get. Hold on. You step on my foot, I say, ow. I ain't really step on your foot that hard. You don't get to tell me how hard you stepped on my foot. That's my foot. These feet made for me to walk on, not you to walk on them.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Daron Payne. I'm sorry. Javon Kinlaw. I'm sorry. Because you also Came out and said that he did hit him first. I said, man, that man ain't hit that man first. Ocho yesterday. Ocho what? Likelihood of a wide receiver going around slug, and he did it. It don't matter how hard it was. It was the mere fact that you did something that you didn't have no business doing, and then he knocked fire from you. And you talking about, oh, I, I. You know, it. No, no, Duron, I'm sorry. And they should give you your money back. Yeah, but I tell you, I guarantee you, I bet he won't hit another D line in the face. What you want to be at, Ocho? I don't know.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, one thing about us receivers, we're the. We're the most dominant position on the field, you know, whether we got the ball in our hands or not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here you go.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I don't know if. I don't know if anybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's a saying that says, ocho, a lesson with a consequence. Action without consequences, there is no lesson learned.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Wait a minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I'm saying, Joe? An action without consequences, there is no lesson learned. Yeah. Now they. They. Hey, hey. Not far from it. Yeah. The NFL gonna come down with something on St. Brown.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Nah. No, they're not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they're not, man, please.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

No, they're not. Hey, listen, the NFL. The NFL is already handicapped.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

The NFL has already handicapped the game a lot. They. They've already taken some of the. What's the word? Some. Some dory. Some of the character, you know, some of the character away from the game and what made it. What made it fun, what made it exciting. Now, before I keep going, I need you to give me that line one more time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Actions without consequences, there is no lesson learned.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

That's a good one, Joe. I'm gonna use that one in my boy Deron Payne.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You did right. You should have hit him so hard on the top of his head, he peep out his ribs and thought he was in jail. Hey, you did right. I ain't giving you no more O. I'm done for the night. Wait a minute.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, hey. Bring that back one more time like a dj.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said Duron Payne should have hit him so hard on the top of his head, he peep out his ribs and think he in jail. But you got it, though. Yeah. Yeah. I might not stop that act, but I bet I break you the habit.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Okay, you done dropped two gems early, bro. The show just started.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hold on. Hey. Okay, Ocho, he got up under that. He got up under that helmet, too. When he, when he. When did you see how far he swung back? Yes, sir. He swung back from Prince George. Yeah, he. He got up under there. That's what El. Joe. That's. Hey, Joe. That was the most. One of those old cartoon slaps he watches. Saturday cartoon.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. He was pissed off. He could. He couldn't help it. Absolutely, absolutely. So I don't have any problems. After seeing the video, after having him explain what happened. And he said, oh, gee, I ain't just. I ain't just swing on old boy. He did what he did. Send me the video. I tapped on it, looking at it, they little hand fighting. And then he tried to get a quick one in.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, look, hey, look, chicken wing. I know what he's talking about. I used to do it, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sam, an answer at a press conference from Michael Pennix Jr. Is going viral. Ocho, let's take a listen to what he had to say.

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Oh, mentally, like my fiance, she's always there for me. So I know whenever I get home, it doesn't matter how I play, she's always going to be there for me. She's going to have a smile on her face and give me a hug and make me feel feel good no matter what. But as far as, you know, as far as, like, physically, the on the field stuff, it's not nobody that I'll talk to, like, as far as another quarterback or anything like that, you know, I do have people reach out to me. I do have quarterback coaches, though, back at home that reach out to me as well, you know, tell me, hey, like, you need to clean this up, clean that up, you know, and everything will be good. So those guys help me as far as that, too, so I can shout.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Out them.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

You know. You know what? I would love to hear the question that was asked I would love to hear the question that was asked for better context because I'm sure he has quarterback coaches on the sideline. He has. He has quarterback coaches on the sideline, and I'm sure they're talking about the totality of after a game on what it looked like. I think that that has to be the context of the question because bringing up your fiance and no matter how I play, when I come home, that ain't it, you know, she's there for me. No. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? If I'm wrong, let me know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What are you saying? What are you saying about his fiance?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, how she said no matter how I played that she's always there for me when I come home. Always smiling. But if anything, what the first thing your fiance's supposed to say. Oh, no. Oh, no, honey, you ain't gonna embarrass me like that. It's supposed to be. No, y' all keep laughing. It's supposed to be tough love. It got. If you play bad. She's supposed to be the first one. Baby. Come on. Come. Come on. Come on. Mp Come on. Don't do that now. You know you can play better than that. You know, you have your unc. No, don't. Don't. Don't have one of them wives that know how to break down, that understand the game. It can break it down for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

That. Now you come home to something like that. Not that old. Oh, baby, you play bad. It's okay. No, honey, it's not okay. You can't embarrass the family like that. You can't do that. You can't embarrass the Pinnock's last name like that. Now, I'm just throwing out hypotheticals, you know, not you coming home and the wife, no matter how you play. Oh, it's okay. No, it's. You know, tough love is okay sometimes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

And the best person to hear tough love from is the one closest to you. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm sorry. So they ask him what coaches that he. Does he rely on. Lean on.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Okay. Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Like, who do you like? Okay. Ocho, you going through a tough time. Is there somebody that you lean on?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Okay.

[Commercial Announcer (Odoo)]

Boom.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I like that. I like that question. Because the first thing, the coach that I would lean on most of the time, it wouldn't be my coaches in Cincinnati. If things aren't going right and there's someone I need to lean on now. In game, Hugh Jackson in game, you know, Alex Wood, you know, some of those coaches that day. But if something is going right and I need to go back to the foundation on how it was built. Charles Collins, 1997, when it all started at Santa Monica College, running the sand dunes, the Manhattan sand dunes, back in the day, like, that's what I'm leaning on. That's who I'm going to. That's why when Michael Pennock said he mentioned coaches that okay with that question, that's what I'm leaning on. I'm going back where it all started. Hey, Coach C, man, what you see? I don't know what's going on. You know, I'm doing. Am I rushing? I'm just. Whatever it may be. Cause he can see. He can see it from a different point of view than I can. He can see it from a different point of view than my coaches do. Cause my coaches, they see X's and O's. Coach C can see something they don't see, even though they're my receiver coaches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And guess what? Coach C looking out for you, that receiver coach got five other guys, six other guys that he got a coach.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. And the conversation would be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

They view. They viewing me in a different lens than what he's saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That is correct. So I think people were like, no, that's not what NFL coaches are there. You're not going to be able to rely on your coaches. So I know y' all was surprised that he said that. Well, he can't go, nope, Nope. Raheem got 50 guys, 60 guys he got to worry about. That quarterback got that quarterback coach got every. Ain't nobody holding your hand in the NFL. They're not. So I'm sorry, I don't want to. Hey, I don't. I don't want to come off as callous. I don't want to come off as not being empathetic, but I'm just telling you, the, the sports business, this is a grown man's business. You get paid a king's ransom to play a kid's game. They're not holding your hand. So I understand what he's saying, that when you Somebody to lean on, calling my former coach, I'm gonna call my brother. What do you see?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Am I, Am I. Am I missing something? I feel I'm leaving plays out there, but I don't know what I'm doing. Hey, send me a copy. Let me, let me, let me, Let me look at your practice. Let me see what you. Let me see what you look like in the game. Send me the game cut up. Send me practice. Let me see. Okay. So, yeah, this is. This is the cold, harsh world. This has always been like this. And I think the thing is that this new generation, they think like it's high school and like, come on, son. And the coach take you out to eat, put his arm around you.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, no, ain't none of that. Ain't none of that. Because listen, that right there, that'll get you. You lose your job, you lose your job. Players get coaches fired. So if you're not playing up the par, depending on who you are, depending on what round you went in, you know, depending on how much you making, they ain't no coddling. Huh? Ain't no coddling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the NFL, Ocho boy.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

This is. This is. This is business. These are X's and O's. We going over X's and those Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday, we expect you to execute those X's and O's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Somebody said, somebody say he was your first round pick. You don't want him to see. How many first round picks you think Atlanta got on their roster? So I guess they supposed to take them all out for brunch and breakfast, huh?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

It don't work like that. Why? You know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is a different generation, Ocho, Because. Yeah, this house always been. Because the hair is the thing. This is why in the military there's supposed to be no fraternizer. We're higher up in subordinates. Because they're gonna be certain times that you're gonna have to be like, you know, like what David did, and he put Bathsheba husband in the front. But that was for a whole different reason because it clouds your judgment. So you gotta be careful when you coddle a certain player because it's gonna make it much more difficult to get off said player if and when you need to. That's why Coach, Coach Belichick, Heisman posed everybody. It was nothing for him to get off a player. You know, coaches tell you that all the time. Oh, the most difficult thing it is to do is cut a player. No, it ain't. You built up so much callous, you're numb to it. Especially think about if you're a coach for 15 years, Ocho, and you gotta cut 20 players a year for 15.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Years, they numb to it. Now they pretend. They. They pretend about it. The conversations they have for you when they ask you when they get that knock on your door. Bring your playbook, Coach want to see you. Man, they got everything in prep. They probably said. They probably. They probably say the same thing to everybody else. The only thing they do different is they change the first name when they greet you and let you know, yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is tough decision.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Everything you got to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is the worst part of my job. Nor they you, you were really easy. But you know what I'm saying? I'm just being real, you know, this is the tough part of my job that nobody likes to do. They sit in their chair like this. Hey, come on in. How you doing, son?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you just got caught up in the Ocho. You know, they sit back. You just got caught up in the numbers game. It's just one of those.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

The number I, daddy or that numbers game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's A possibility that we might now with a situation, bring you back. We might bring you back for the practice squad, but we're going to give you an opportunity to go out there and see what side there and you know. Yeah, I'm just telling you how it is.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, I'm just, I'm just being all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The way honest with you.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, and, and because a lot of times, you know, everybody has those aspirations. You don't go to the NFL and say, well, if I get cut, it's okay. No, it hurts because for a lot of these guys, this the end of something that they've been doing since they were 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 years old.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So the end is never easy. Oh, you're a good movie. You. Man, you don't wanna, you don't want a good movie to go. I'd be like, damn, that's it.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Commercial Announcer (Odoo)]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. It's. It's tough. And, and, and having gone through that, that's something that you didn't have to worry about being a second round pick, that I had to worry about being a seventh round pick. And I remember, I remember like yesterday because we were staying at the Clarion Hotel out by Centennial Airport. That's where all the private planes come in at Centennial. And we're standing at the Clarion. And I'll never, ever forget, the phone rang. So, you know, Ocho, we got two room, one one phone. Me, I ain't answered. Like they don't know. Like they can't come over there and knock on the door and say, hey, hey, coach, coach, Coach Reeves want to see you, right? And I remember, phone rang. The phone rang about three or four times. I'm like, they know we in here. Where we going?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, you ain't, you ain't picking up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I know. Nah, you gotta come, you gotta come back. Pick up the phone. How would you give it? Give me bad news face to face, right? My roommate picked it up. After a while, I see my door open. They got your boy, man. I say, damn, man, I'm sorry to hear that, bro. Yeah, like, man, hey, but you keep going. That's bad. You ain't. As a matter of. We still. I hadn't talked to him. I mean, I talked to him from time to time, right? He came to see me play in Denver. He came to see. He came back to see me play in Denver. He came to see me play in Baltimore. He came to the hall. We were, hey, we still cool, B. Mac. He'll tell you. He called me. He was still the only one that really called me Double S. But it was tough. Cause, you know, I was talking about, man, what I wanted to do and X, Y, and Z. But you know what? OO I at that time, I had a Mercedes. My brother said, nah, yeah, leave the car home. Don't nobody. Hey, don't tell nobody you got it. Don't tell nobody nothing. You going up there, you trying to make a team. You ain't got no car, right?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it's. It's. It's. It's real. Ain't nobody. Ain't no baby. Man. You remember I told you I had that five bruise? I had a hole in my thigh, in my quad. They don't care nothing about that. They're trying to find the best 53 damn players they can possibly find to make this team. And. And. And the more you can do, the better your chances are, the better. Oh, you not a starter. You're not the start. 11 starting defense or. How many special teams can you play? Put me on point, kick return. I could play 4 to 5.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

All of them. All of it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, 4 to 6. I can't play on PAT, and I can't play PAT. Block a field goal block, but I can get you four of them. You ever tackled anybody? Yeah, I'll play. I tackled. I hadn't tackled anybody since high school. Well, interception, but I played defense in high school. Son, you gotta be tough to play. You gotta be. Play. Be tough, bruh. I try to make a squad. Tell me what you need me to do. Tell me what. Tell me what my job. Tell me my responsibility is once you tell me my responsibility. Oh, I'm gonna carry that out good. My brother, my brothers, tell me all the time. He said. He said, bro, you do everything that you do better than anybody else. Do what they do, and you'll be fine. So that was my. My singular focus. Ocho. I'm gonna do what I do better than anybody else. Do what they do.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

That's all. Hey, that's all that comes down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all it come down to. And. But I lost Ocho. I had lost contact with him for like, man, for like eight. For, like eight years. And then all of a sudden, he called the Broncos. They said, some guy named Brian McFadder, he tried to get in touch with. I said, oh, B. Mac. Yeah, I called him. I said, man, where the hell you being? You know, he went back and finished up school, and, you know, we stayed in contact, and we lost contact again. He hit me up. I think he called the Ravens. It's like a. A Brian McFadden. I said, yeah. So I hit him up, brought him out to. To be more. And, you know, then when I went to the Hall, I said, hey, they are Jim Sakamano, who was. He's like, anybody that you need me to find. So him, he found him and found a couple of guys that I was trying to get in touch with. For the most part, the guys that came out, you know, I still knew where they were, try to invite. I tried to get a touch of Albert Lewis, but I couldn't find him. But. Because he was the guy that made me who I am. But, guys, this is different. This is the NFL. This ain't high school where the coach gonna take your ass in, or this is college where they. They get. That ain't what they do at this level. I'm telling you. I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know.