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Shannon Sharpe
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Joe
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Joe
Ocho Eagles GM Hye Roseman speaks on the mistake and the regret of not drafting Justin Jefferson. I think there's one who's pretty obvious. One guy didn't draft that's going to the hall of Fame. The mistakes kill me. I made it made me think, why are we picking certain guys? But if we don't make that mistake like that, we probably don't play in two Super Bowls in the last three years. Don't overthink things. When you're staring at a good player, just take them. Not drafting JJ still haunts him to this day. Yes, because. Because think about who you took his look the Guy that he took, I played with his father, Monte Rager. Jalen Rager is his son.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
Joe
He got in awe of all the. The jumping high and running fast. And he overlooked the production that, that that J.J. jetta gave him on the field. I asked Ozzy Newsom, who's one of the best GMs to do it right, drafted Jonathan. His first two players he ever selected was Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis.
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
Joe
He's the wreck. He selected Suggs, he selected Lamar Jackson, he selected Ed Reed. We know what he's been able to do. And I asked him, I said, ozzie Suggs, Ocho. He said, Suggs ran 4, 8, 5 with tights and track spikes. I said, well, why the hell you take a man and run 485? He said, Shannon, somebody got 23 sacks.
Shannon Sharpe
I saw right.
Joe
Somebody could bend the edge. I don't need him to run 40 yards. I just need to run 10, right. And he can get off the ball. So I believe. He said, I'll never forget this. He said, I believe what my eyes tell me. He says, yes. When I'm watching film and a guy looks fast, he looks explosive, he looks strong. Hopefully he comes to the combine. Hopefully he tests well. But if he doesn't, I base most of what I judging on by what I see on tape. I'm gonna trust my eyes. Howie didn't trust his eyes. He got enamored by Ocho. 4, 3, 4, sub 4, 4. He got. And he got enamored by 40 plus edge, vertical. He got enamored by things that doesn't necessarily equate to being a great. Because if that was the case, hell, I'd just go get me a track guy.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe
Do you see when Noah Lyles is warming up? Did you see how high he jumps up in the damn air?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
His feet, his heels are at the height of somebody's head. So that lets you know, first of all, if a guy that fast, you know he's explosive. Ocho.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, absolutely.
Joe
Look at Tyreek. You say tyreek did them backfield. You say, you say you got to see this joke. Yes. You could tell he's explosive.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
Joe
Go ahead what you want to say, but what you think about what? How he said admitting that he made a mistake not drafting Jenna.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you know, that happens. That happens. Obviously, it's the eye test when it comes to scouts, GMs, coaches, and personnel in general, based off the eye test and not looking at numbers, you look at Justin Jefferson and you look at Jalen Rager. And you'll pick Jalen Rager based on what you see when it comes to the aesthetics of the position in itself. So I can understand where he calls it. He calls it a mistake. Actually, it's not a mistake because let's say you did go get Jetta's. You might not have the Super Bowls that you have, you know, you might not, you know, think things would have been different. So everything went exactly how it was supposed to have. Supposed to go, actually. But I'm. I'm upset.
Joe
Well, he stumbled into it because guess what? The next year devonte Smith came out and he was able to trade down and get devontae Smith. And a couple of years later, you traded, you get A.J. brown. So he got your big two.
Shannon Sharpe
It did work itself out. I was kind of upset. I really wanted. I really wanted brother Jalen Rager to. To be. Be great at the position because he had all. All the intangibles to be just that.
Joe
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
One of the things with him is mentally. Mentally, I think. I think he had lost his confidence at some point and he just wasn't able to regain it back because he has all the potential in the world to be one of the best in the league. He just wasn't able to put it all together.
Joe
Hey, Uncle Ocho, do you think they put too much emphasis on, like, the testing, the combine? Yeah. When it comes to football. Meaning. Because there are some guys who will not test well when it comes to combine. Agility, quickness. Right. Vertical. But when you put them in between the lines, it's a big thing. The lights come on. They just know how to play, bro. You know what I mean? That's for basketball and football, but I see that. I see that in a lot of guys this year, obviously, from watching Shadora, you know, I know, I know we talk about him a lot, but he looks like one of those type of guys, you know what I mean? When you get him in between the lines, he just knows how to play, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah. Hell no. He probably ain't gonna test well in no combine. And no 40 or no vertical leap or none of that. You know what I mean?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, Yeah.
Joe
I doubt if somebody goes to the combine. They might not be. We just had Terran Arms Armstead. He goes to the combine to run 4:6. Now people looking at him. Yeah. You get a guy go there and they might not be hurt or he might be a low. Go run four three.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Because I can teach you everything else. I can teach you to catch. I can Teach you the backpedal. I can teach you to drop. I can't teach you how to run f. Either you got that in you or you don't.
Shannon Sharpe
But, but, but also. Also, it's a gift and a curse being able to run that goddamn fast and then believing you. Becoming a project, coming to the NFL, well, we can teach you all the intangibles, you know, to become a great player, whatever position you do play. Sometimes it's hard, sometimes it's too late. Because if you're already in the NFL and you've been able to get by, you've been able to get by without the technique all this time. Yeah, well, if you got the technique at the next level, you don't get exposed anyway, no matter how goddamn fast you are. Unk at that next level, you. Everybody run four, three at the skill position. Damn. Yeah, everybody. Even the people that run four five or run four, six that play receiver, what not, they know how. They know how to manipulate all those that are fast to be able to get open and create separation. So just a add it's like. It's like having a car and you're throwing rims on there. And once you put the rims on, okay, that's the speed in general. It's great to have, but you don't necessarily need it to be successful at what you do.
Joe
Let me know when to use it.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Have you ever heard anybody say size? Kill. Have you ever heard somebody say strength? Kill. What do they say? Kill. Ocho.
Shannon Sharpe
Speed. Speed. Yeah, yeah.
Joe
Speed. I can't teach you that. They say, well, he talked. No, no, no, no, no. I can teach you technique to make you faster than what you are, but that's in you, right? If you think somebody like, got that usain boat was always fast.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
Joe
It was always in him. He just found somebody to get it out of him.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
Joe
So now, oo you look at it, we look at guys and they like, man, what does everybody say? I just. Ain't nobody saying, I want to do 24 reps. Ain't nobody saying, I want to do 40 inch vertical, right. 40. Everybody say, I want to run. I want to run 4, 3. I want to run 4 2. Because that's what's going to grab the attention.
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
Joe
Right. When Chris Johnson ran that 4, 2, 4.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe
John Ross got drafted in the first round because he ran 4, 2, 2.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
He couldn't stay healthy in college.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
So if you can't. Ocho, if you can't stay healthy in college, what Makes you think you're going to be able to stay healthy in the NFL.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, right.
Joe
Xavier Worthy. Yeah, he goes around. Four, two, one. Ocho.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Moving. So I got a question. Excuse me if I'm wrong, Joe. Hey, when you watch Xavier Worthy, despite his 40 time, does it look. He doesn't look as explosive as Tyreek?
Joe
He does not.
Shannon Sharpe
Tyreek look like. It's like right now. Bomb, he gone. But Xavier Worthy ran a faster combine time. But he doesn't look that fast.
Joe
Until he gets going, it's like, yeah, he's a build. He's a build up guy, right? You know, some. Some cars, Ocho, you just like electric versus gas, right? Yeah. Like, if you. If anybody out there to have an electric car, you know, you step on it, it doesn't require that spark, right? It's gone.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe
You look at Ty, you look at Tyreek, Tyreek looks. When you watch Tyreek run, when you watch the very first time, I say, damn, he looked. I said, maybe it's. Maybe it's me. Some people just look fast. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe, we see him. And it's one thing to like to see a person up close and personal, but to watch somebody from the television and say, damn, he looked fast.
Shannon Sharpe
Imagine the person.
Joe
Tyreek looks explosive. You could tell, but you could tell the way he built, right? Look at. Look at how compact he is. Look at the muscle, the musculature. You could tell the way he walked. Oh, yeah, you can look at certain guys. Oh, he could do a backflip. Yeah, yeah, he could. He could do certain things. That's how Tyreek. Tyreek looks like that, right? Xavier word this fast. But you got to realize Xavier worth is what, 160? Tyreek like 190.
Shannon Sharpe
Really? You think so?
Joe
Tyreek?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he lost weight.
Joe
He lost. He. Remember he said he dropped weight, right? So he might be like 180, 180, 185.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. So he might.
Joe
He might save you, worthy. Like 165.
Shannon Sharpe
You know, Xavier Worthy might remind me.
Joe
Of who that played.
Shannon Sharpe
The same type of running style. They have the same gate, too. And it looked like they're not running until somebody trying to catch them or the ball is in the air.
Joe
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
That goddamn Ted again.
Joe
Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Remind you, I don't know if you remember him, Ocho. James Jett.
Shannon Sharpe
From the Raiders. Yeah.
Joe
James Jet with an alternate on the four. But on the four by one that won the gold medal in 92 at the Olympics, huh? Lord have mercy. Because you know the Raiders always been enamored with speed. Yeah, they've always had the fans that could run fast. They had Willie Goff, who. They had Sam Grady, who won the silver medal in the Olympics, was on the 4x4 and 80 dotta. They had swerve and Mervyn Fernandez. They've always had guys that could fly at that position. You remember when they drafted Darius Hayward Bay Ocho because he ran four, three, two.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
Joe
Now, catching the football was a problem. Running fast was not a problem. Okay, look, because you, you can have all that speed, but if you don't know how to use it and get open, hell, it's useless. It is. And that's what, And I tell people, man, you not that fast. I say all speed do is get you to the safety faster to get knocked out.
Shannon Sharpe
That's a good one.
Joe
This, this, this folk, this 4 5, 46 is plenty fast enough.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it is.
Joe
All you do is get to that safety. So you drop the hammer on you. But look, you're gonna make mistakes, but think about what you've done. You drafted Jalen Hurts. You drafted Jalen Carter. You drafted Jordan Davis. You joined Cuba Dejon. You drafted Landon Dickerson. Look at the guy you, you found Jordan. My lotta look at the guy. Damn. How are you? What you want to be, Howard? A baseball player that mad that he struck out? He done got three home runs and a double. He straight out of the last plate appearance. He like, damn, I messed up my brother Howie, bro, you that devonte Smith. Look at the pigs that he's got though, since he got got that wrong.
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, he's playing, he's playing humble. I obviously, I don't think Howie understands. Listen, I'm not a part of, of, of of NFL offices or, or, or management or GMs or people in positions of power. But if anything, what Howie and, and, and, And Jeffrey Lurie have done the past, what, five, six years. Yeah, they the goddamn blueprint on how to operate and build a winning team. I mean, to me, look at the defense. Hell, look at the offense. So if, if I'm in the NFL and I'm an executive of some sort, hey, we need to piggyback and steal. What they doing over here? It's a copycat league anyway.
Joe
Absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
On the field, people watching film and stealing stuff that works the previous week on the opponent that you playing, hell, they might as well do the same thing.
Joe
It's easier to say than done. You don't think, hey, man, I could do that. I might as well cross over the country. But you don't. You're not Beyonce, man. You see what Michael, you not Michael. You not Prince, you not Usher. So it's easy to say, this is what you should do.
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
Joe
But you're not one of them to be able to do it. It's easy to say, man, you see what Howie doing, but you ain't got Howie's eye. You don't know what Howie's looking for when he looks for a particular player. Yeah, it's easy to say, man, look at Ozzy. How many hall of famers did he draft?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis on, I think the all 70, the 100th anniversary team, and Reed also. So you got three guys that's on the hundredth anniversary team.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Hey, three guys. First ballot. Hall of famer. Suggs is going to be in the hall of fame. Lamar Jackson is going to be in the hall of fame.
Shannon Sharpe
The funny thing, when I think about it, Joe. And Joe just said it clear as day earlier. When the lights are on, what do they look like in between those lines on the grass? There's a lot of film in everybody before you draft him. Hell, God damn. It's common sense. I don't care what you ran the 40 in. Let's say you did run a slow time. How am I going to knock you when I know what I'm getting? When it's time to play the actual game of football? The game of football isn't. Isn't ran. It's not. It's not. It's not played in a straight line anyway. This ain't track. Huh? So having speed is just another great factor to add to what you can do.
Joe
But if Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the Hall. Ocho.
Shannon Sharpe
Huh?
Joe
Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. He ran 4, 6.
Joe
Technical sound. Ran 4, 6.
Shannon Sharpe
He was technically sound. But unk. He had. He. He had something we call football speed.
Joe
That's what you need, Football speed.
Shannon Sharpe
It's the difference.
Joe
And we know Emmett might be the slowest running back.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
He got the most rushing yards.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe
So when you look at it, we. We do. We put a lot of emphasis on speed, Ocho. But at the end of the day, can you play the game of football?
Shannon Sharpe
That's it, right?
Joe
Listen, this ain't Olympics. Hey, we got Olympians. We gonna let Noah lives. We gonna let Katie Benaric. We're gonna let ride. We're gonna let dog handle that. Can you play football? Because at the end of the day, we play a game called football and it's not in a straight line. You're gonna have to move, you're gonna have to be, you're gonna have to be, have to react. And the number one thing, you can't be afraid. Now, look, there's a certain level, it's hard to say a player is soft because it takes a certain type of crazy. It takes a certain type of person to play the game of football.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, not, not anymore. Not doing your era. Doing my area. It doing my era. It takes a certain level of crazy the way the game is now, where it's favored and it's handicapped the defense. Man, you got players out there catching with one hand, man.
Joe
That's why you see all them go across the middle. Hey. And taking selfies. You got guys. Hey, boy.
Shannon Sharpe
Joe back. Boy Joe back in the 2000s, boy. In the early 2000s, going across that middle.
Joe
Alligator arms, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, if that man.
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't want no part of that.
Joe
Terry McLaurin came up the pup list amid contract tensions with the Commanders. Despite the contract standoff holdings trade requests, Terry McLaurin will soon be practicing with the Commanders. The team announced today that he has been activated from the puck list. Ocho. Could Terry removal from the pub list mean contract extension is on the way?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, probably. Probably. Something is looming. They're almost there. It's probably not where it needs to be, but the fact that they think they gonna practice is a good thing. He'll be able to get two weeks under his belt. If I'm not mistaken, he'll be able to get two weeks under his belt before he's able to play. Before he was able to play in a live game. Which would be September, I'm assuming. What? September what? 7th maybe, or 13th?
Joe
What? Ocho.
Shannon Sharpe
Huh?
Joe
What?
Shannon Sharpe
That? No, in a live game, a real game. He didn't miss. He didn't miss the preseason.
Joe
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I know. He definitely not gonna play the last preseason game.
Joe
No.
Shannon Sharpe
So I'm hoping. I'm hoping I. I pray once he gets paid, no setbacks, no injuries. It's gonna be so different, Unk. It's gonna be so different. The fact that he wasn't able to go through training camp.
Joe
Ocho, you took the word right out my mouth. I'm saying to myself, and I'm thinking to myself and I say, I know. Ocho thinking this, man, I could not imagine not playing a meaningful game in eight, nine months. And my first real game is gonna be a real game. I couldn't imagine it, Ocho.
Shannon Sharpe
I would. I wouldn't want that.
Joe
No. Hell no.
Shannon Sharpe
I would. I would. Listen, Honestly, I would tell my agent, listen, if we getting this deal done, I'm gonna go practice. If there's a chance that we getting this deal done, I'm gonna go practice. Because I need people pushing, I need people pulling. I need to be fighting through contact.
Joe
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
Right. Man, forget that, man. I'm telling you, the body will tear up. The body will tear up trying to go from zero to a hundred without putting it through that rigmarole. That's what I'm gonna call it.
Joe
You gotta condition your body for the stresses that it's gonna endure during the season. In order to run fast, you gotta practice fast. You hear what she said? Hey, I wanted to be on the ground. It's hard. Would you miss that kind of time, Ocho? You're not gonna miss that kind of time and just pick right up. It's just not you. You sit and I agree with you. You kind of like, you just. Just hold your breath. Like, man, please, no soft tissue injuries. No soft tissue injuries, please. No groin, no quads, no hamstring, no. No calves, no adductors. None of that. Because like you said, Ocho, you going just like that. Yeah, you've been cruising. You've been cruising, and then all of a sudden.
Shannon Sharpe
Step on the gas, out the blue. And what normally happens, Something got to give.
Joe
Yep, man. But hopefully they can come to an agreement real soon. The Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs could make NFL and Super bowl history this upcoming season. The There have only been one instance in which two franchises have played each other three times in the super bowl, and that's the Dallas Cowboys. Pittsburgh Steelers. 75, 79, 95. The after the Eagles face one another, two of the three big games, the Chiefs are currently to have the highest odds to be a matchup for Super Bowl. What is that, 60, 60 in February of 2026. This will make the franchises the second of their kind to play one another on three separate occasions. On the biggest stage to add, no other quarterbacks in the history. No quarterbacks have ever faced each other three times in the Super Bowl. Something Jaylen Herz and Patrick Mahomes have a chance to do.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, it sound good, but you want me to tell you coming out of. Coming out of the AFC this year.
Joe
You got to worry about winning your division. You ain't coming out of nowhere.
Shannon Sharpe
Have you noticed the Bengals have been playing in the preseason, right?
Joe
Yep.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
Joe
All I know, all I know is when ljack is on the field, Cincinnati can't win.
Shannon Sharpe
I just want to. I just want to remember I l.
Joe
Jack if on the field, Cincinnati can't win.
Shannon Sharpe
This is the new year. You think about the past. I'm trying to understand why you think about the past. And this is 20. We. We in 2025. You telling me what the. The. The the B Ravens did in the past? I know what happened this year. The Cincinnati Bengals for the first time in years have let the starters play in the preseason. That's to let you know that there's going to be a difference come week one when the regular season starts. So what the Ravens did last year or any years before that don't mean nothing and don't matter when it come to football season in 2025. Okay. Yeah.
Joe
Your defense still suspect team record after winning the MVP in 2016. Here we go, Cam with the MVP in 2015. 2016 they were 6 and 10. Matt Ryan wanted. In 2016 they were 10 and 6. In 2017, Tom Brady won it. In 2017 they were 11 and 5. Patrick Mahomes won it. In 2018 they were 12 and 4. Lamar Jackson. In 2019 they were 11 and 5. Rogers won it back to back years in 2020 they were 13 and 4 and in 2021 they were 8. 9. Mahomes won it again in 2022, 11 and 6. Lamar Jackson. 2023, they were 12 and 5. Josh Allen. 2024 will remain to be seen what their record will be.
Shannon Sharpe
Right. Right.
Joe
Zach Wilson put together a solid start in Dolphins second preseason game. He completed 15 of 23 passes, 151 yards and a touc. He missed a couple of would be touchdowns. Deep throw pass. Deep pass to D. Eskridge that was on the throne. Rookie Quinn Ewers improved his improved on his debut, completing 11 of 16 with a pair of touchdown to fellow rookie Theo Weeks junior.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, wait, wait. Who did you say had had a great debut? What's the name again? The first name you said?
Joe
Oh, Zach Wilson. Completed 15, 20.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Wilson. Zach Wilson. That's my. That's my dog. That's. That's my dog. Okay.
Joe
You do realize if the. If he plays for the Dolphins, y' all probably y' all are not going to the playoffs, right?
Shannon Sharpe
We gonna be straight. We'll be there. We'll be there. But again, Zach Wilson looked good today. He did. Quinn errors based on how he looked last week. He yours. He looked better this week.
Joe
Yes, he did. Absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
That's what you want to see you.
Joe
Want to see improvement.
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly. Exactly. So I like it. I think Dolphins, they coming out the AFC East. What you think about that?
Joe
I think you drinking Hunch Punch if you think they beating Buffalo. That's what I think about that. I think you owe something.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, your face. Whatever. Funny.
Joe
That's what I think. I think you own something.
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. So you're not. Wait a minute. I. I don't like.
Joe
I don't.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't like the way you. You sound. Whereas if you're trying to say the Dolphins don't have any chance in the AFC east, they got a chance.
Joe
Look, you play football, anything can happen. You ain't gonna put no money that the Dolphins gonna. Gonna be the. The AFC east representative gonna win that division.
Shannon Sharpe
So. So you telling me you've already given Buffalo the division already and we don't know what's gonna happen? Are you just saying that because they.
Joe
Have the team with the best quarterback?
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. All right. I like where you're going.
Joe
I'm taking T With the best quarterback.
Shannon Sharpe
I like where you going.
Joe
Take a Josh Allen over every other quarterback in that division tour.
Shannon Sharpe
Are you taking Josh Allen over Drake May?
Joe
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You sure?
Joe
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. I just. I just want to see what you're gonna say, okay? Okay.
Joe
Sure am.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. So when Drake, May and goddamn Stefan Diggs look like Mark. Dan Marino and Mark Duper and Clayton, then what you gonna say?
Joe
They still got to do something with Josh Allen.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
Joe
Be all right. Tell somebody Josh Allen is him. I wish I'd tell you something different.
Shannon Sharpe
What you trying to. Hold on. Are you trying to say my quarterback is not him? You trying to say two is not him?
Joe
Can't stay healthy. Can't play in the cold.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't. I don't. I don't like your attitude. I don't like your tone.
Joe
They gotta do it. Me, I don't get them. Hey, you better tell me the funny thing.
Shannon Sharpe
The fact that you have no confidence in us. I mean, that confidence.
Joe
I mean, y' all gonna play the game, but I ain't put no money. I wouldn't put no money on. On y' all to win the division. I would not. Y' all probably got great odds, too.
Shannon Sharpe
You wouldn't put money on the. On the Dolphins. The Dolphins.
Joe
Nope.
Shannon Sharpe
We had. We. Okay.
Joe
We had what?
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. All right.
Joe
The answer is no.
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, I can't. I can't wait. I can't wait till football season.
Joe
Me, either.
Shannon Sharpe
I can't wait till football season because we gonna have some nice little side bets. I'M gonna pay this time.
Joe
Just like you did last time.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm gonna make him small.
Joe
Aston Genti had seven carries for 33 yards today. Ocho. His 13 yard run was part of an eight play, 41 yard scoring drive that ended with him powering his way into the end zone for a one yard touchdown. After the game, Genti said, I've arrived and it's time to keep going and make plays for this team. I don't know if I've ever heard somebody say I've arrived in the preseason, but I'm gonna take his word for it. He ran with authority. I like the run. He had punished the defender, lowered his shoulder. I mean, he run with power. I mean, he's not, he's not an overly big guy. I mean, what's he, 5, 8, 5 9? But he's powerfully built. You look at the way he's built from waist down. Yeah, you can tell he's a power, he's, he's a power runner.
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, hey, I saw, I saw one of the clips, but somebody, somebody caught him. I saw the one we ran dude over, but yeah, somebody caught him good.
Joe
Did they?
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah. I don't know if that was a safety coming downhill. I don't know who it was, but.
Joe
You a, you but. Well, you might want to get word to him. You got to pick and choose your battles now.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Hey, he's not going to run through. You're not going to run through people like you did at Boise State.
Shannon Sharpe
It's the preseason. He doesn't, he doesn't understand yet. So you're gonna learn real quick. Where's some grown men out there, boy.
Joe
Yeah, so, but I thought, you know, look like Gino, Gino had great command of the offense. Gino is very, very familiar with Pete Carroll.
Shannon Sharpe
That's a good thing.
Joe
Got him. So it's gonna be interesting to see how the Raiders do. Look, that, that division is good.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, very good.
Joe
Mahomes in that division. They won the division probably like what, the last eight years? They probably won the division every year since, what, 2016, is it?
Shannon Sharpe
2018? I thought it was.
Joe
Yeah. You gotta realize because they had Alex Smith, they won the division. Yeah, they won the division every year. Patrick Mahomes has been the starting quarterback and he started in 29th, 2018. He got drafted in 17.
Shannon Sharpe
The last time the Broncos won the.
Joe
Division, they won, they won the, the super bowl. That was 2015. Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
That was the last. So since then, since 2016, the Chiefs have been winning.
Joe
But you got Mahomes you got Herbert, you got Bo, Nick and Gino. That's, that's a look that might be the second best division in football as far as quarterbacks. I think the afc, I think the AFC north.
Shannon Sharpe
Hello, NFC East. What are we talking about?
Joe
Yeah, let's see. Hold on. Who's the nsc? Yeah, I think for me, it's clear that it's the afc. It's the AFC north with, you know, you got two of the top four quarterbacks in one division.
Shannon Sharpe
Right, right.
Joe
Okay. Rogers and it. Yeah. Even with Cleveland. We ain't giving Cleveland nothing with those two, those two top four guys and Rogers and then, you know. Okay, I, I, I can see that. I can see that. The NFC east with Russ, Jane Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Dak, but Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Bo Nicks. Yeah, there ain't no slouching now.
Shannon Sharpe
They not. I like, I like both, too, man. I got really, really like both. I like.
Joe
So if somebody said, if some, if someone said I would take the af, the AFC west quarterbacks, I wouldn't fight them. No, because you got Mahomes has been the five Super Bowls. You got Justin Herbert, you got a Bo Nicks. Who's. Who's up and coming now? Hertz is Hurts is one of the super bowl. He's been into. Russ has been to 21 1. But Dak, where we, where we, where we putting Dak? You take Dak or you take Justin Herbert?
Shannon Sharpe
That's a good one.
Joe
Yeah, that's a chat. Who y' all like? You take Dak or you take Justin Herbert?
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, I mean, half the chat gonna say they gonna say Justin her because they just don't like the damn Cowboys.
Joe
No, I think I, I, I, I. There ain't nothing that kid can't do. That kid got an arm. He is immensely arm talented. Yeah, he's. He's more athletic than you think.
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This is Jacob.
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Joe
He can flat out throw it. Ocho we got great news. Auburn will retire Cam Newton's number two. Cam became the first SEC player to record a 2000 yard pass and second season a 1000 yard rushing season. He had 2854 yards, 1473 yards. Russian he accounted for 51 touchdowns, 30 passing, 21 rushing, 1 receiving while helping Auburn go 140 and winning the national championship against Oregon. Cam swept the major college football awards 2000. He won the Maxwell Water Camp, the Manning, the Davey o' Brien AP Player of the Year as well as the Heisman Trophy. Ocho, I just got a simple question.
Shannon Sharpe
Talk to me.
Joe
Why won't Carolina show that man the love that Auburn is showing him?
Shannon Sharpe
I'm not sure. I'm not sure, he said.
Joe
Remember we did, I think we did a topic with it last year that he took his son and there were no pictures of him on the wall at the facility.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, that's right. He did. He did say that. He did say that. I don't know. I don't know. That's something. We would have to probably ask him that internally. I'm not sure how things.
Joe
No, we have to. You can't ask Cam. Cause Cam don't know why. We need to ask the organization, Ker.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Ain't. Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling how things ended with Cam. Even though we came back. We. It's. It's no telling. You'll never know. Especially for a quarterback of that magnitude that. That did the things that he did for the Carolina Panthers.
Joe
Yeah. Took him to the super bowl mvp, Rookie of the Year.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Pro Bowler, All Pro. But that's amazing. Congratulations, Cam. Very deserving. I can make a case. That's the greatest college season for a quarterback. I know Joe had. I know Joe. Numbers, right. But Joe ain't putting up those numbers with the receivers that Cam had. He do it. That. And. I don't know. I think he had one. I don't think he had an offensive lineman. I mean, did anybody play more than a year in the NFL on Cam's team, on the offense? Because I know he had a defensive lineman that went like, I think top 10 to the. The Lions. But if you look at his offensive weapons and what he was able to do.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Well, Cam was a real deal back man.
Joe
Cam was. Was crazy with it. I mean, off the chain.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
I don't know if we'll ever see. Lamar had an unbelievable season. I mean, the year he won the Heisman. Well, actually, the year that he finished that, he. The next year he was even better than the year that he won the Heisman. If you go back and look at it.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Because he threw for like 3500 yards and had 1500 yards rushing.
Shannon Sharpe
That's crazy.
Joe
But congratulations, Cam. University of Auburn. No one else will be able to wear the number 2oo DraftKings. Been the NFL team of the best nicknames of all time. Who should be added? Okay, you got the Honey Badger. Tyron Matthew. You got a Ted Hendrick. Who was the Mad Stork. Sean Merriman. Lights out. You got Hacksaw. Jack Reynolds. You got the Tasmanian Devil. You got the Assassin. Jack Tatum. You got prime. You got Ed2 Tall Jones. You got the fridge. William Perry. You got the kitchen. Nate Newton. You got the Minister of defense, Reggie White. Rest his soul. Dick Knight. Turn Lane. Rest his soul. And then you got Andre Bad Moon Rising. You got Big Phil, Highway 63, Gene Upshaw, Bag of Donuts, Pork Chop, the Intellectual Assassin. I don't know nothing about him. Megatron. Megatron got a coup. Legotron, Beast Mode, Broadway Joe, the Face Cleaver, and the Avatar.
Shannon Sharpe
Is that Jimmy Graham? Is that Jimmy Graham as Avatar?
Joe
Yes. Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, listen, all these NFL nicknames are good. They're all good, but we all know who the best nickname is of all time.
Joe
They ain't got you up there, Ocho. Oh, that's defense. I guess we gotta ask them. No, they got offense. They got offensive. Yeah. Andre Rising.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Joe
Bad move.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they. They had nicknames, but I really. I really embodied what it meant to have a nickname by actually changing my name and reinventing myself in the private. My career. If that's from a. That was from a branding, marketing aspect. So. Which makes it obviously the greatest nickname of all time, because I really bought in to the character in general, and that character in general has carried me years beyond the game of football. Hell, I ain't took a snap in goddamn 30 something years. But these are all. I like the Intellectual Assassin. Who is that? That played for the Chargers.
Joe
Is that Ron Mix?
Shannon Sharpe
The Intellectual Assassin. That's a good one. And you know, they don't even have. They don't. I mean, they don't have Walter Pay. They don't got sweetness on them. Intellectual say. But hey, listen, Ocho. Cinco. I mean, it. It speaks for itself. Greatest nickname of all time. Because I actually. I was 8, 5. And when it changed the name. Huh? Understand, I saw a vision. Like, when I do spoken word, there's a vision, there's a big long term where if you're not. If you're not in deep thought with me, you're not gonna understand it.
Joe
Who? The Intellectual Assassin. I ain't never heard of it. I mean, Bambi.
Shannon Sharpe
Who's Bambi?
Joe
Lance Alworth.
Shannon Sharpe
When is. What?
Joe
The Chargers.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, okay, okay. Oh, he did. He ran. He ran like. He ran like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe
He was. Jack Katum was the Assassin. Yeah, yeah. No, the Intellectual Assassin. The charges. He was the charges. John. Jack Taylor rested, so he's out of Ohio State. I thought it was Ryan Mix. I think he played. I think Ocho. I think he played like 12 years. And had two holding penalties in 12 years.
Shannon Sharpe
That's it.
Joe
Yeah. Thank you. That's exactly what I said. Jenna. Justin Jefferson returns to practice, his first time in 25 days. He continues to recover from a left hamstring strain he suffered last month. He has a history of hamstring injuries. He missed seven games in 2023 because of a hamstring strain to the other leg prompted the Vikings to take a slow approach towards recovery today. He participated in warm ups, individual drills, but sat out 7 on 7 and 11 11. Jefferson won't play in the Vikings final preseason game, but do expect to start week one. Yeah, he got some imbalances or something. He needs to get that looked at.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah. What do you think it is? Especially when it comes to soft situation injuries like that. What do, what do you think that comes from? Because I don't think he has an injury history.
Joe
Yeah, I don't look like he quad dominant sometimes. If a muscle overpowers the other, it will pull. It will pull. So if, you know you quad dominant sometimes or something. So he might, I mean he might need to get his hips. He might be out of line or something.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah.
Joe
If he fatigued the muscle, you know, weak, Weak muscles pull.
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
Joe
But I, I mean you're dealing with elite athletes and so I know they have the best physio and the best everything around. He might, you know, maybe his mechanics are off or something, but he might need to take a look at that.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, I'm not going to say nothing. I'm not going to say nothing. Obviously you know my stance when it comes on the soft tissue injuries when. Ignore my stance on when it comes to getting hurt. But we know how valuable Justin Jefferson is to that team and I'm GLAD he took 25 days and they, they went slow with him. I think he's a player that training camp would be beneficial but to getting back 100 healthy.
Joe
So yes.
Shannon Sharpe
One, he's not one that needs training camp like that. But I don't want him having to go from zero to a hundred without having the wear and tear that training camp ring because what's going to happen, you get to. You get to getting pulled and pushed.
Joe
That took. That's why I used to. I hate guys, man. Don't tug me.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Hey, if I beat you, just let me go. I'm pulling Ocho and you tug me.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Now I'm gonna turn around and swing on you. That, that's, that's, that's a tough division because we saw the Bears and you and I both think the Bears are going to be better this year than they were last year.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
Joe
You believe you say, hey, the Lions. I don't see them taking a step back.
Shannon Sharpe
No, I don't.
Joe
Then the Packers. You like the Packers. Jordan love that receiving core. Josh Jacobs. So that is a very tough division. You can ill afford. Now, they're already going to be. The first three games, they're going to be without Jordan Addison because of some issues that he had off the field. So they're going to be without him. And the last thing that you need to happen, a guy coming back from a soft tissue injury and he retweaks it because now he's probably going to be down double the amount of time that he missed to begin with.
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly. Yeah. I hope he gets healthy. I hope he stays healthy because I. I wanted. I want to see him on the field.
Joe
Bless you. Thank you. The man don't cover. He covered his mouth after he done sneeze. Excuse me.
Shannon Sharpe
Like, damn, it creeped up on me. I know it was coming. I ain't know it was coming.
Joe
Oh, you know what coming, huh? Oh, you look me a little Purell.
Shannon Sharpe
What's that?
Joe
Purell.
Shannon Sharpe
Why are you using that? I'm all the way over here. Get me sick, I may get you sick. I'm all the way in Miami.
Joe
Hey, boy, that thing you got right there that they say you might have Ebola, I don't know. Hey, I don't know what they say. They said they died in Liberty City. Say a monkey. Say a monkey got escaped.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe
Say the monkey had Ebola. Say one of them dudes from Liberty City bit the monkey. The monkey bit him. He had Ebola, right? And the monkey died. So the monkey got Ebola. He beat the dude from Liberty City. What he got?
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, you right, you right, you right. Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling.
Joe
I'm just trying to figure out how you sneeze and then cover your mouth and say, excuse me.
Shannon Sharpe
It snuck up on me. I didn't know it was coming. Like, that's what happened when you really. When you're really sick, you don't, you know, it feel like I got a fever.
Joe
I thought you didn't get sick. How you getting sick? And you eat fast food, you ain't supposed to get sick, remember?
Shannon Sharpe
I know it's probably. I'm probably gonna only be like this under one day. Matter of fact, you can hear my voice. I sound like Barry White. Tonight you hear? Most of the time when I talk, I got a high. A high pitched squeaky voice. But tonight I sound like, like really sexy. Like for radio.
Joe
No, I'm just trying to figure out. You told me, right? Chat. Y' all done heard this man say, eating a Big Mac and eating all that fast food, he don't get sick. I just tried to figure out what's really going on. That's it.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, technically, I'm not sick. I'm like, I'm still here. This is a minor setback.
Joe
Are you sick? Did you not say you sick? You just told us when you signed on that you were sick.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I'm good.
Joe
So are you or are you not sick? Yes or no?
Shannon Sharpe
Yes. At like, halfway. Because if I was sick, I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be on here. So I'm able to do. I'm able to work, so I'm not sick sick. So there's a difference.
Joe
So if you work from home, if. If you work from home and sick and you can't work.
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
Joe
Something really going on.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, I. I understand. But some people. Some people, when they get sick, sick, even if they are home, they can't do nothing. They can't function. See, I'm fighting through it. I'm fighting through it. My body on the inside, you know, my immune system, they in there like this, right? Then they. They. And they're going to work. So on the outside, I'm cold, but on the ins, I mean, on the inside I'm cold, but on the outside, I got the AC off and I'm sweating, but on the inside, I got chills. I mean, it's weird. So this doesn't happen to me often that, like, at all. So I'm gonna be all right. I'm gonna be all right, though, man.
Joe
Ojo. You know, I hate. I hate when guys, I'm a firm believer if you limp in the season. Ocho, you know how you coming out of it?
Shannon Sharpe
Limping that up, baby. You limping that up.
Joe
I just hate. I hate that for Jenna because, man, you talking about off to a historic start.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
Joe
Oh, my gosh. I think.
Shannon Sharpe
I think it's going to continue, though. I think it's going to be all right. It's going to continue.
Joe
I. I don't. I don't. Like I said, that's. That's an extremely tough division. You could ill afford to have him and Addison out. Plus you got J.J. mcCartney, who's in his second year, but this really is first year starting, right? You're asking an awful lot. You're asking an awful lot of a young quarterback to go out there and, And.
Shannon Sharpe
And.
Joe
And to do what you need him to do. What I just wanted to say, I. I just. I just hope a Jetta can stay healthy for the entire season because they're gonna. They're gonna need him. They got no chance. They got no chance. Remember kjr? KJ Osborne is in. In Washington.
Shannon Sharpe
Washington now?
Joe
Yeah, Addison's gonna miss the first three, and then, you know, he warmed up today. But like you said, he didn't do 707, he didn't do 11 on 11, and he's not gonna play in the final preseason game, which is Friday or Saturday, right? So. Boy, and it just deter a. And then in 10 days, just go.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm hoping. I'm hoping he going to be all right.
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Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe (iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)
Date: August 21, 2025
This episode features NFL legend Shannon Sharpe and co-host Joe (Ocho), diving into the hottest NFL news and storylines: Howie Roseman’s regret over not drafting Justin Jefferson, the overemphasis on combine numbers in scouting, Terry McLaurin’s return amid contract drama, Super Bowl matchup odds, preseason standout performances, and memorable NFL nicknames. The conversation is engaging, lively, and packed with both personal insight and sharp banter, making it essential listening for any football fan.
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This is a wide-ranging, entertaining, and insightful episode that masterfully mixes NFL insider talk, recent news updates, and the lived wisdom of Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe and his co-host. Major threads include the importance of trusting football instincts over combine numbers, the legacy of front office decisions, the fragile physical realities of NFL stardom, and the vibrant culture (and nicknames!) that surround the league. Their chemistry and candid banter make the episode both insightful and engaging from start to finish.
Perfect for: Listeners wanting real talk on NFL team-building, scouting, player development, and locker room/culture insight—with plenty of laughs along the way.