Best of NFL News Part 2: New Ravens OC SNEAK DISSING Lamar Jackson, LIVID with TASTELESS Cop ALLEGEDLY happy Tyreek Hill released from Dolphins

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 2 (Feb 21, 2026)

Main Theme:
Shannon Sharpe brings together prominent NFL analysts Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal for a spirited session recapping key off-season drama, including the implications of the new Ravens OC’s comments towards Lamar Jackson, Tyreek Hill’s release from the Dolphins, and the reactions swirling around both events. Wit, debate, personal anecdotes, and locker room honesty set a bracing tone as hosts dissect the intersection of team culture, player legacy, injury politics, and NFL business.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ravens OC Declan Doyle’s “Sneak Diss” at Lamar Jackson

Timestamps: 01:36–19:45

• Context: New Ravens OC Declan Doyle makes public remarks on the importance of off-season workouts, alluding to expectations for player participation—comments some interpret as directed at franchise QB Lamar Jackson, who has regularly missed voluntary OTAs.

• Differing Takes on Intent:

  • Greg Rosenthal: Asserts Doyle was clearly addressing Lamar, pointing to Jackson’s history (01:36–03:43, 05:09, 05:31).
    Memorable moment — “You know, he's not talking to but one person...Which guy hasn't been there seven of the last offseasons?” (02:39)
  • Daniel Jeremiah: Pushes back, insisting it’s not smart for a new OC to pick a public fight with the team’s best player (02:53–03:18).
    Quote: “You are not going to be the new officer coordinator and come in talking shit already and piss the man off. Now, you starting the relationship off on the wrong goddamn foot.”

• Debate Escalates: Heated argument over whether calling out a star QB in public motivates or irritates—a question paralleled with historic player-coach relationships (Belichick with Brady, etc.) (06:33–13:46; 13:33–13:46).

  • Jeremiah: “Calling the rule number one, you never chastise your quarterback.” (11:15)
  • Rosenthal: “Coach Belichick was setting a tone. But now you don't want this coach to set the tone?” (12:41)

• Underlying Themes:

  • The fine line between setting standards and alienating superstar players.
  • Importance of “relationship capital” before public criticism.
  • How MVPs like Lamar and Brady are (or aren’t) held to standards—and if public calls actually change behavior.

• Team Culture vs. Individual Greatness: The group highlights the dilemma between leadership setting a tone and respecting franchise pillars.

• Anecdotes & Locker Room Perspective:

  • Both hosts recount personal offseason habits, coaching approaches, and peer pressure around participation (16:28–19:45).
    • Jeremiah: “As a player...you could’ve just hit my line, you know?”

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2. Tyreek Hill Released by Dolphins – Fallout & Future Landing Spots

Timestamps: 32:47–49:41

• News: Dolphins cut Tyreek Hill (soon to be 32), citing a massive cap number and his recovery from a serious, multi-ligament leg injury.
• Possible Destinations: Chiefs, Bills, Chargers identified as best fits.
  • Jeremiah’s Take: “I think the Bills would be a nice place for him… Chiefs also being able to use him, you know, the correct way.” (33:26)
• Concerns Over Injury: Panel highlights the rarity and uncertainty of a player with Hill’s speed recovering fully after a gruesome injury (34:40, 41:07).
  • Jeremiah: “Even a Tyreek Hill that's not as fast as he once was is probably still faster than everybody else...” (34:35)
  • Rosenthal: “We’ve never seen a player with this kind of speed to have this kind of gruesome injury…” (41:07)
• Locker Room Trust & Captaincy:
  • Rosenthal argues Hill’s locker room trust eroded due to “quitting” during adversity, citing removal of his captain status (35:02–36:25).
    • “Players will forgive a lot, but you can’t quit them. When things are going bad, that’s when your best players… need to show up and be their best.” (35:02)
• Value & Legacy:
  • Jeremiah insists Hill remains a generational talent and future Hall of Famer, regardless of off-field drama or injury (“If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer. He is a first ballot hall of Famer.” – 39:48).
• Take Your Time: Both agree Hill should be patient and smart about his next contract, prioritizing fit and rehabilitation over rushing back (“His next move has to be his best move”—33:26, 40:37).

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3. Police Officer’s Tasteless Reaction to Tyreek’s Release

Timestamps: 54:35–58:49

• Incident: Retired officer Danny Torres, notorious for an altercation/arrest of Hill, makes a public Facebook post celebrating Hill’s release in pointed personal terms.
  • Jeremiah: “It’s unnecessary. It’s tasteless… rejoicing when someone is unemployed or gets cut, I mean, that’s… Come on.” (55:58)
  • Rosenthal: “The mere fact of what he put in his post lets you know it’s personal…The man talk about child support.” (57:13)
• Broader Point: Hosts express dismay at airing personal vendettas in public, even if the feelings are understandable, emphasizing professionalism and separation from team business.

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4. Offensive Line Free Agency and Recognition

Timestamps: 59:02–62:24

• Browns Clearnhouse: Three-time Pro Bowl guard Wyatt Teller announces he won’t return, with the entire Browns O-line set to become free agents—rare for a unit.
• Discussion:
  • Conversation about how hard it is for linemen on bad teams to get credit and recognition (60:44–62:24).
  • “For him to be a Pro bowl player three times and as bad as offensively as they’ve been... that probably gave you a pretty good indication he’s a pretty good player.” (61:57)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You are not going to be the new officer coordinator and come in talking shit already and piss the man off. Now, you starting the relationship off on the wrong goddamn foot.” — Daniel Jeremiah on Declan Doyle’s comments (03:20)
• “Calling the rule number one, you never chastise your quarterback.” — Daniel Jeremiah (11:15)
• “Players will forgive a lot, but you can’t quit them… don’t be a guy that when things are going good, they go great and when they go bad, they go terribly, horribly wrong.” — Greg Rosenthal on Tyreek Hill (35:02)
• “If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer. He is a first ballot hall of Famer.” — Daniel Jeremiah (39:48)
• “The mere fact of what he put in his post lets you know it’s personal…The man talk about child support.” — Greg Rosenthal on the officer’s Facebook rant (57:13)

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamps | |---|---| | Ravens OC controversy & Lamar | 01:36–19:45 | | Tyreek Hill released, legacy | 32:47–49:41 | | Cop’s tasteless post | 54:35–58:49 | | Browns O-line upheaval | 59:02–62:24 |

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Episode Vibe & Takeaways

The episode delivers a trademark Club Shay Shay mix: candid, direct player POVs, unapologetic debate, a touch of locker room humor (“green ass, peanut head ass coach”), and an eye for the human as well as the tactical.
The hosts illuminate just how much off-field narratives, leadership style, and public perception matter to the internal workings and future of NFL franchises — all through the lens of people who have lived it. Whether you agree with their takes or not, you walk away understanding the stakes, sensitivities, and personalities influencing the business of football.

Transcript

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

New Ravens offensive coordinator Declan Declan Doyle emphasized the importance of off season workout. He didn't single out any player but probably didn't need to. We would expect players to be here and certainly it is voluntary but if you want to say that you're going to win a championship, you want to say that you have championship standards. Those are the goals, those are the expectations. Certainly that's going to take work, that's going to take collaboration and that's going to take the beginning of building of a relationship with their coaches and other players starting the next regime on the right foot. Ocho.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes sir.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You talking to?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think he's talking to everybody because I think the conversation with with what's his own name that looked like he part of the shoddy yeah Bashadi and Lamar already had that conversation about him being there in the off season, taking taking part in the off season program. So we already know he gonna show up. Now I think he wants to make sure everyone else is on Ocho stop that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You know, he's not talking to but one person. Everybody else go, which guy hasn't been there seven of the last offseasons. Last seven of the late offseasons. Which guy hadn't shown up?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Timeout. Time out. We talk about. We talk about the decoy.

[Greg Rosenthal]

No, we talk about the offensive coordinator.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The offensive coordinator ain't calling out Lamar Jackson, I can tell you that. Okay, I get. I guarantee.

[Greg Rosenthal]

No, he didn't call.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The new officer coordinator is not calling out the team franchise leader, Ocho, after you already had a conversation with the owner, which. The same one who is up for contract extension.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He's not calling this guy. You don't want to just answer.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Let me finish.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Let me finish.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Let me finish. You are not going to be the new officer coordinator and come in talking shit already and piss the man off. Now, you starting the relationship off on the wrong goddamn foot. He's not talking to Lamar. He's talking about. He's talking to everybody.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Declan, we not finna do that, okay? He talking to everybody. Which guy has not been participating in the voluntary OTAs the last seven of the eight years?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, we. I mean, Lamar has it, and I'm sure other people haven't as well.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Okay, Joe, what do you think about that, Joe? So. Because now you saying everybody is just as important as Lamar. But go ahead. Oh, Joe. Go ahead, finish off. Listen, I'm catching. I'm catching up. I'm. I'm picking up what y' all putting down. You hear me?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, I understand what you mean.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You saying. You saying it's the. You saying it's the offensive coordinator. You know, they talking about Lamar. What you do is that you talk, talk. You know who he's talking to. There's a lot of times.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That they would not talk. They would talk. They talking to the best player. But they're not actually. But they don't. There you go. Indirectly, yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I guarantee you.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Okay?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I guarantee he not. I guarantee you. Because all it's gonna do is piss.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Why is he gonna piss him off, Ocho?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What you mean, why it's gonna piss him off?

[Greg Rosenthal]

He hadn't been there in the other. You.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Not for you not going to get no new job and then get out here talking trash like that. Hit my line if you need me there. I don't need you. Why y' all to say I need you there?

[Greg Rosenthal]

I gotta tell you, I need you there. Hold on. No.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

If he ain't been there the past

[Greg Rosenthal]

seven, eight years, I be talking to thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. That's what I needed you to say, right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Talking to him. I guarantee you I did that joke. Guarantee I did that joke.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hey, hey, you know what? You.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I guarantee you're not talking to him. Put a name on it.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Y' all see how I did that right there?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hold on. Put a name on it. Put a name on it. Put a name on it. Because what's going to happen is. What's going to happen is, is you're going to piss him off. And this. All this new coordinator that's coming in, trying to. What. What precedent he trying to set?

[Greg Rosenthal]

He said, hold on.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What precedent? Let me finish. What precedent are you setting? Calling out the starting quarterback publicly? What are we doing? That's stupid.

[Greg Rosenthal]

We would expect players to be here, and certainly it is voluntary. But if you want to say that you're going to win a championship, you say you want to have championship standards, and those are your goals, your expectation. Certainly that's going to take some work, and it's going to take collaboration. So is the offensive coordinator collaborating with the defensive. Is he coordinating with the. Is he coordinating with the wide receivers, the offensive line? Who is he in collaboration with? Ocho. You know I'm supposed to be a lawyer, right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I could have been. I could have been one, too. And I guarantee he ain't talking to him. Guarantee that, and I guarantee he don't show up.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You want. You hold on.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You want to get a new job? You want to be goddamn sporty trying to show off because you got a new job as officer coordinator, and you call. Not your starting court, your starting franchise quarterback? I guarantee he won't show up just to show you. I mean, but you. You don't do nothing like that. Coming in as a new coach. You don't do that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, Joe.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You don't call. You don't call that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

It is dumb.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's stupid. It's dumb and stupid. Why would you piss off your quarterback with a message like that? What sense does that make?

[Greg Rosenthal]

What? You missed the point. Let me ask you this.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There is no point. If you want Lamar to show up, you text lamar, I want you. If this is what you're trying to do, if this is what you're trying to do. Let me finish. Everything he just said publicly, he could have said that to Lamar. If you want Lamar to show up, what are you proving. Saying it publicly, what are you doing? Who's it gonna piss off?

[Greg Rosenthal]

All I remember.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Tell me. Who's it gonna piss off?

[Greg Rosenthal]

All I remember is a Guy saying he wanted to win a championship more than anything. But I need to call you and ask you to show up. Interesting.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So you go. So you go out publicly and you get a new job and you call out the franchise quarterback. That's gonna work out real fucking well.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Okay,

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Come on.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I'm trying to figure out. Hold on. I'm trying to figure out. Let's go back. Let's go back and see what quarterback has won a championship that didn't participate in OTAS all those years except the last three years of Tom. Hold on.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You think. Let me finish my point.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Let me finish my point.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So you think calling out your franchise quarterback is going to get you to the championship? Yeah. That's real. That's real smart. Good job. Good job. Officer. Coordinator. Let's call out the franchise quarterback.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Let me ask you a question. You think Sam Donald participated in OTAS last year? Yeah. Do you think Drake May participated in OTAS last year? Tell me, the quarterback that you don't think participated in OTAs, Ocho, what does

[Daniel Jeremiah]

that have to do with what we talking about?

[Greg Rosenthal]

So you. So you know. So in other words, you just hold on.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Again, I'm. I'm gonna say it one more time because somebody. It seems to be going in one ear and out the other. So calling out your franchise quarterback is the way to go about doing things when you want them to show up the ota?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Is that what you're saying, is he didn't single out nobody and you said

[Daniel Jeremiah]

he's talking to Lamar Jackson, the person that hasn't showed up. So is that the way to go about doing it? Calling out your franchise quarterback publicly? How is that supposed to help anything outside of just pissing him off?

[Greg Rosenthal]

I tell you what, he gonna be more pissed if he go another year and don't get to the Super Bowl. The criticism's gonna grow louder and louder and louder and louder.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay, I got a question. He shows up to OTAs and they'll make and they don't go to the super bowl, then what?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Ocho, we had this conversation.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Then what?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Working hard?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And then what?

[Greg Rosenthal]

This is a new system. This is a new system. He's been in that system before. Ocho, come on. What is it that you don't understand? Och?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You don't call out your franchise quarterback.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You said he was talking to him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You don't.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You said you weren't talking to him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No matter what, you don't do it. You don't do it. You gonna piss him.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hold on, hold on.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Did Belichick call out Brady.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You're going to.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Did Belichick call out Brady?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You talk about they won six Super Bowls together.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Five Super Bowls. What are you talking. He called out Tom Brady, who he won six Super Bowls with, but you mean to tell me Lamar Jackson can't get called out?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So you really compare Lamar Jackson.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's what I'm asking you. That's what I'm asking you. That's the point.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, listen. Let me finish. The new officer coordinator, who I don't even effing know, calls out the franchise quarterback, and you're comparing that to what the. What Tom Brady and Bill Belichick did? Are you serious?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Asking you. Are you serious? A guy that won six Super Bowls got called out, but a guy that hadn't been to the super bowl, he can't get. He's above reproach.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know what? Don't worry about it, okay? I said we. We. What we're not going to do is we're not going to have common sense here, because calling the rule number one. You. Listen. Listen to me. Calling the rule number one, you never chastise your quarterback. That is the only coach, the only coach that has ever called out.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But you said you don't chastise your quarterback.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He can let me finish. He can do. They had that relationship. Relationship, Relationship. Let me finish. They had the relationship to set the tone for everybody else. To let everybody else know it's an even playing field here. Thank you.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's how you set the tone? That's how you say thank you. Ocho. You see, Joe, what I do? You see how I want you walking into the trap? You set the tone.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What trap? They've won four or five Super Bowls. They haven't. What are we talking.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Let me ask you a question.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm trying to compare.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Let me ask you a question.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's not.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Let me ask you a question. So do you think Coach Belichick called Tom Brady out before or after he won a Super Bowl?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

They had already won.

[Greg Rosenthal]

No, they did not.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Stop it.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oo.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

They had one four. It was 2011. What are you talking about?

[Greg Rosenthal]

I was told. I was told that he called him out from the beginning. So Tom Brady has never been above reproach. Go ask the other guys that played on the team.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Why are we talking about the Patriots? We're talking about the Baltimore Ravens and the new officer coordinator calling out his franchise quarterback publicly.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You said. Is that. That's how you set the tone? Coach Belichick was setting a tone. But now you don't want this coach to sit at home. What.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What tone are you saying? Piss off your.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Why are you pissing him off? He just asked if you want to win. You got standards, you got to do things a certain.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You could text me that if you're talking to him. What sense are you making? What are you trying to prove? Saying it publicly? If you want Lamar there, you text Lamar and tell him, I would like you here for the off season because we have a new plan. We haven't.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Joe, your coaches ever called you and say they wanted you to be somewhere? Joe. Or you just did the right thing because you knew what was. It was important.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hold on. Now you're saying. Now you're saying let Joe talk.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You ain't gonna let Joe talk.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, you ain't gonna let Joe.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So now it's the thing.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Now it's the right thing.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So it's being.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Guess what else.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Guess what else is voluntary being great.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What?

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's voluntary in the joke.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hold on. So Lamar's not great? Are you saying Lamar's not great?

[Greg Rosenthal]

You're not gonna let Joe talk? You're not gonna let Joe talk?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, Lamar's not great. The two time MVP's not great.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Joe, you're not gonna let the man talk? Ocho,

[Daniel Jeremiah]

go ahead.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Go ahead, Joe. Yeah, yeah. Hey, look, anytime you have something voluntary and you show up, obviously you know, coaches appreciate that. But not only that, like if he been doing the same thing over the past seven, eight years. Ojo, I think coach is trying to send a message, bro. Like in order for us to reach some that we've never had before, obviously we got to do something we've never done. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

or hadn't been doing. All I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. And you know what? I. I hope for the coach's sake, since he's setting the goddamn tone in goddamn in February. I hope they, I hope they end up in what, a goddamn super bowl next year. La. I hope the Ravens in goddamn LA next year. Since he want to come out since he want to come out and be big and big badass, instead of just texting him, I would like you to be here for the all season program.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I would have thought that, you know, because it's reported now, I don't know if it's true that, that Lamar was a part of the hiring process now I don't know with the head coach now, I don't know if he's a part of the hiring process with the offensive coordinator. But normally normal. Normally, normally when you have a new staff, even though it's voluntary, you show up because of the importance of it. It's a new system both offensively and defensively. And your best player, he sets the tone for everyone else. If your best player is there, everybody else will feel obligated and come and. And you get a head start on things. Hey, hey. Trying to develop that chemistry and continuity early because it's a new system. You know, we've been, I've been through this with Wade Phillips, I've been through it with Mike. Came there and then when, obviously when I went to Baltimore, it was a new system. So I went for the OTAs, even though I didn't do a whole lot. But I was there. I thought it was important for my presence to be there. Yeah, yeah. Ocho, you ain't never had to switch systems like that. I'll see. Yeah,

[Daniel Jeremiah]

yeah. But I mean I was, I was always the off season program.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah. Dang Ocho, man, you got a little sandwich, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

God dang, man. You got these coaches coming here, talking all that, man. Green ass, man, who you supposed to be trying to. Trying to. Trying to prove something. Trying to show off like you come in like you running some man just text me. Green ass, peanut head ass coach, man trying to show all. He trying to show up.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Trying to show off. Oh, your stalling mind.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He trying to show off, man. All that, man. All that's unnecessary, man. Text me. You want. You want to see me?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Okay, you about to lose your voice for what?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, come on. Look at that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, no. You know, I. I like when we get into it like this. Like this long time.

[Greg Rosenthal]

If the chat. The chat. They don't know, man. This man be calling me, talking about, I want to argue tonight. For what? This man text me. I want to argue tonight. I was like, we ain't got no topic to argue about.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm just saying, as a player. As a player, like, I mean, to just unnecessary, you know, you're a new coach. You're coming in. I understand you want to set the tone. You want to establish yourself as an offensive coordinator, but there's no need to say what you said publicly. You know, that conversation is something that's to be had with Lamar Jackson. When you say something like that to the player that hasn't been there, you know, seven of the last eight years. And I mean, why are you even calling me out? You know. You know how. You already know how players are doing, and this ain't really. If it's any player, you know, and you hear your coach say that, well, God damn, you could have just. You could have hit my line, you know? And so it's like. I mean, I. I just think it's green. No. No disrespect to coach, man.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Like, you call the man Peanut. You'll talk about. You don't got no disrespect. I'm not.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm not really talking to him. I'm just referencing his act and what he said publicly. That's all. I'm sorry. I apologize, Chad. I'm sorry. You got me worked up. Joe. Joe. I don't never get. I don't never get like this.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I know, man. Got my man blood pressure up high and everything.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm sweating, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hey, remember the lady? The last time me and Unc was like this joke, we was talking about boots and boots and we talk about boots. He Would tell me to pick between one or the other boy. Joe. No, Boots and Terence Crawford. How about you? Can't you get. He was telling me, man, you got

[Greg Rosenthal]

to pick one or the other. Hey, Booze Cole. I like boots. Ojo.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, hey, Joe boy, We were going at it, boy, look. And now that was a long.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That was a long time ago that he get passionate about. He just gloss over. But once I see what I know would get going. Let me finish my point. Okay, go ahead. I thought you were done. You got another point to make.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

My bad, my bad. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Chat.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Now.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I just think that. I just think the thing is, is that if. If what was reported is true, that the kind of. The relationship with Monk and Lamar had kind of deteriorated. I think he's going to look at this as a breath of fresh air. Give him an opportunity to get there. Because no matter what you think, especially when you're dealing with Lamar, he's the table setter. He's the guy that everybody's looking to. And when he's there, all is right in the world. In Baltimore, in raven country, Ravens flock. All is right. When you. When your franchise quarterback is there, like, okay, we're gonna be all right. We gonna be all right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, Joe, what's up? When Lamar Jackson won those two MVPs, he wasn't there in the off season.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Well, the first one he was. He. He was there. Hey, hey, ain't he up? Is he up? Is he up for yes?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, hey, ain't nobody no being up. He's. He's. He's getting his contract done this off season. They redoing it for sure.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah, they redoing it. His cap number too high. You got. You got to lower that cap number and you got to take care of it because he's outperformed the contract that he signed. And normally with quarterbacks, when you outperform the contract, he's, you know, he's well on his way to being the best. The best player right Now, I still think that's rape, but I think when it's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. You heard that? You heard what? I'm just saying.

[Greg Rosenthal]

What's that?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Best player. He outperformed last. You know what? He outperformed his contract. You know, he wasn't in the off season program last year either.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Guess what? He wasn't in al offseason. He wasn't in the super bowl either. What?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, neither were the Broncos.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hey, I'm just saying.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I know.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hey, hey, I'm I'm just saying, you know this. Quarterbacks matter. Super bowl matters. Yeah. You know, you can say, well, he did this, he did that. Super Bowls matter. Lamar Jackson gets a Super Bowl.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, it's a rap. That monkey off his back. He can play the rest of his career in cruise control.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He get to the super bowl, he might win another two MVPs.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Because now. Because there is. Because he wanted. Oh, man. You ever wanted something so bad, Joe? You want that thing, Ocho, you know, you want this thing so bad.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And you're so close. And it seems like as the time goes back, you know, having a conversation with John, he's like, man, he went to the last Super bowl in 89, and then we didn't go back. Like, damn. Because you think about it, he went to three in his first six years. First seven years, he goes to three Super Bowls, he didn't win them. And then there was a stretch. So we don't go in 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95. So that's six years. He had never gone that long without reaching the Super Bowl. So as time starts, you like, damn. Danny Marino goes in the second year. Oo. He plays 16 years, so for the next 14 years, he never goes back. And then you like, damn, am I ever gonna get this opportunity again? He just needs one. That's why when you get. He gets one, I feel if he gets one, he'll win two more MVPs, because now he really gets to play free. He really gets to play loose, I think. You know, look. And he's a phenomenal talent. But when you get those early, I mean, look at Brady. Brady playing with house money.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

My homeboy playing with house money. You get those early.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What.

[Greg Rosenthal]

How you. What. What you gonna say? My homeboy got three in his first nine years. First eight years as a starter, he's gone to five. Brady in his first. His first five years, he had three Super Bowls, two MVPs. I'm free. Y' all can't tell me nothing. I just think the thing is that I just. I. I just. I just want him to get there. I just want him to get to. I want to see Lamar Jackson on the biggest stage. We've all, for the most part, we've always seen our greatest quarterbacks, be it Elway, Marino, Kelly, Far, Rogers, Brady, Montana, Manning. We've seen our best on that biggest stage. Now, they didn't always win oo, but we've seen them on that stage. We got to see Lamar on that stage. Just one time. He'll be just where, hey, like Luther Vandross say, if only for one night.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

For one night.

[Greg Rosenthal]

If only for one night. I got to see that man on the stage. I got to see him. I would love to see. Hey, if I don't see him in la, hell, I go see him in Atlanta. I might. Hey, I might have to go see him in Atlanta. Yeah, he's special. He's special. I want to see him in that big game too, uncle. Oo, I'm gna see him show up and show out. Let me think about it. Oo, we done seen Purdy in the Super Bowl. I mean we've seen some quarter I mean we've seen some quarterbacks that not nearly as talented. Yeah, as Lamar. He too talented not to get there at least once. I don't know what's going to happen, but I want to see him get there. And then I say, hey, whatever happens after that, he was phenomenal. Have his best stuff, blah, blah, whatever the case may be.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But I just need to see him one time in the big dance. I see him in the big dance. I say, oh man. Hey, he got there. It didn't go his way, but oh, well, damn that man. I want to see the damn Cowboys. I don't know what you see.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, hey, Joe, what's up? I'm be honest with you. It's a good chance the Cowboys can be there. Boy, you know how if you play Madden.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Come on, come on, come on. Oo see how you going. Hey, I'm here telling you if you play Madden, I would. I ain't saying nothing about your Bengals. I ain't even got on yet. You see how you act?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh no, why don't get on us. Why you gonna get on us? I'm just saying if you want to see the Cowboys in the, you know, in the Super Bowl, I mean just play Madden.

[Greg Rosenthal]

There you go. No, you see what I'm saying? Okay, okay.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No disrespect.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah, all disrespect. Yeah. I think it's Declan. Declan Deakin. What are the chat you talk about? Doyle. Declan. Declan Doyle. Declan Doyle. So I guess. Hello, man, when is the march? What has got to be free agency. So it's got to be like April the first one minicamp is OTA is in April. Cause you know with a new system you get three. Get three.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay, three, three. Three mini camps. Okay, okay, okay.

[Greg Rosenthal]

With a new end. What did you say? Ash? Do we know when it is?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, the off season program start in April, or is it March? Damn, they start early.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah, Yeah. Hey, winning draft in May. Last week in April. What is it, Ash? Last week in April.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Where the draft at? This.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Y' all okay, Pittsburgh. So. But you did you have a workout bonus, incentive workout bonuses in your contract, Ocho?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

What was that? So what you had to do, Ojo?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, 13 weeks. I mean, I would make it all anyway. I mean, you know, honestly, if I didn't have that incentive, I still would have been. I would have been there anyway to work out with Carson.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You know why I didn't come? Because they know I like to work out. See if they know you like to do something, Ocho, guess what? They don't incentivize it. People that they don't know like to work out. They put a hundred thousand, quarter of a million, 500,000 in their contract. They want to give me 50 a day.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You good? Huh?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, no.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, it was. It was a night. It was a nice.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah, I know, I know. I had teammates that had 150, 250, 500,000.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But Joe, yeah, mine was 500,000, man,

[Greg Rosenthal]

we can't give him that. He love to work out. So we just giving away money, Right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That was fun.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But. But you know, Mike. And Mike told him, Mike says, I don't want. I don't want Shannon here. Shannon cannot get in shape. 84 cannot get in shape doing our thing like he can get in shape doing his own. But I don't trust y' all like I trust him, right? So I was. Hey, I was out of there. Hey, y' all let me know when. Hey, when the camps. I come to that camp. You know, we had a. A three day camp and then we had, you know, you have a three day camp mini camp. Oo. Then you have a week mini camp. So you come in, you get what, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, you up out of there, Saturday afternoon or whenever you leave. And then you have that week, you come in on a Monday and then. And you know, if everything go good, they'll let you off Thursday at noon.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

Boom. The Dolphins have released Tyreek Hill today. Hill turns 30 SEC 32 on March 1 and was set to carry a $51.1 million cap hit in 2026, which have given him the highest cap number amongst non quarterbacks coming into the season. The Decision leaves Miami $28.2 million in dead money, but also creates almost 23 million in cap space by releasing heel now. Oo. Which team is the best landing spot for Tyreek? The Chiefs? The Bills or the Chargers?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think Tyreek's nest move has to be his best move, obviously coming off of injury, going to a team where he's going to be utilized in the correct way. I think the Bills would be a nice place for him, obviously. I mean, you have Shakur, who was, who was somewhat in that same position and being in the slot, but Tyreek being able to play on the outside, I like the Chiefs. The Chiefs also being able to use them, you know, the correct way. And it all comes down to how healthy is he going to be when he's recovered, you know, even. Even once he goes to rehab. Even a Tyreek Hill that's not as fast as he once was is probably still faster than everybody else. I think that's all what it's going to come down to. I think the Dolphins might have moved on a little too fast, honestly, just, just in, in my own personal opinion, they could have restructured and found a way to get that, to get that, that salary, a Little bit lower with him coming off the injury. But to let a player of his magnitude go, which is a staple of your offense, obviously having a chan. Having. Having God having waddle as well, I don't think they should have let him go. That's just my personal opinion. Obviously, being 32 and coming off injury, you know how.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You know how this serious, serious injury. Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That ain't just no acl. He tore a lot of ligaments and he broke his tibia.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I. I understand, but. But rehab, the resources, the access to some of the. Some of the methods he has to get himself back to where he once was. I think that the chances of him coming back and being the Tyreek of old is possible. Even if he's not the same Tyreek of old, it will still be better than 98% of the receivers in the NFL if he's used correctly.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Well, the writing was on the roll. I'm surprised they didn't move on the off season after what had transpired the last game. We talked about this. The one thing you can't do as a player, players will forgive a lot, but you can't leave them out to dry. You can't quit them. When things are going. When things are going bad, that's when your best players. That's when I need Ocho to show up and be his best. I understand Ocho. We're not going to the playoffs. I understand Ocho. You're not going to get your customary 90 catches, 1300 yards. But don't quit on me. Don't be a guy that when things are going good, they go great and when they go bad, they go terribly, horribly wrong.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And so I thought they would move on in the off season, but. Because I knew he would never have the same trust in that locker room that he once had. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Can I. Can I tell you something? I can tell you why they didn't move on. They didn't move on because they understood his value. They understood his true value. Despite him giving up, despite him quitting in that previous season. We can't let someone like this go. Look at the numbers he's put up. Look what he does for us offensively. He makes everyone else job around him that much easier because we have to. Everyone has to focus on him in game, so it opens up everything else. So of course they were going to let him go, but now that he's injured, now that he's hurt and it's kind of up in the air, you don't know what you're going to get once he's back healthy, you know what? Now we can let him go, but you never find another one.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Let me ask you a question.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You'll never find another player like that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Do they make the playoffs with him? They can miss the playoffs without it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, we can say that about a lot of players on a lot of.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But at $51 million and I told you that said, oh, no, you know,

[Daniel Jeremiah]

you wouldn't get 51. You would restructure that, though. You would restructure that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I have moved on Oo because he's like, he's not going to be the same guy in the locker room. They're not going to believe in him. The coaches staff don't believe in him. There's a reason they didn't give him the C again. There's a reason. Oo, you know that. That you've got to do something really, really bad, something really egregious for you to be a captain. One year, him being the player that he is, and then all of a sudden he's not this. He's not the captain because nobody's gonna let. Bro, how you the captain? You quit. Of all people. If I give Ocho to see, I'll get if damn near my leg broke. Hey, man. Hey, doc. What you think it's broke, Ocho? Can you tape it up? Can I still go? Can I. Can I. Can I run a stop? You're gonna do everything you possibly can because you understand the importance of that seat. You understand the importance of that leadership. And the guys look to you once that transpired, I said, it's never going to be the same. You know that. I know that. Everybody knows that now. People try to make it all you old school. I'm telling you in the. Quitting is the worst thing that you can do to have a. In a team game. Because if you're by yourself, you're a golfer or a tennis player. Who cares if you quit, you withdraw. You withdraw. You. Oh, you got an injury and you can't continue. Okay. Hey, no. Who's that? Who was that? Was that. Somebody had a. Oh, Djokovic was playing somebody in the semifinals and the guy, he was up two sets to love and he had to withdraw because he had an injury. Okay?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Injury.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He couldn't continue, but as a team. And the thing was Ocho, he was healthy and one of the guys and it got out that Waddle asked him, hey, Reek, you done? You can't. The problem is what you have. If you restructure at what number? Because he's going to deem it disrespectful. First of all, he's going to deem it disrespectful that you're cutting his pay based on what he's done. So now what is the number that you and the team that's coming, you know, the team is looking to be here. Tyreek are looking to be here. Can we find somewhere in the middle?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously, obviously at some point, I'm not sure when it's going to be. You're going to see Tyreek Hill post videos showing how healthy he is. You're going to see him running, you're going to see him running routes, lateral movement, being able to accelerate, being able to stop, being able to transition and do some of the things he once, he once was able to do. I think once those videos are posted on social media, then you're going to understand, okay, he's back. He's back. He might not be Tyreek of old, but even the same Tyreek of old, even if he loses the step, he's still faster and almost better than 98% of those that play his exact position. A lot of people, they mistake and allow the off field stuff to kind of camouflage what he's done on the field. Right now, if he was to try today, he's a Hall of Famer. If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer. He is a first ballot hall of Famer. For those who don't know and probably

[Greg Rosenthal]

said, ocho, shut the hell out, get away from that first ballot. After they put to coach Belichick in

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I, I, I, I, I understand, I understand. Because they allow off your stuff to overshadow what players have done on the field. Look at what he's done on the field. Look at his numbers to date. And obviously knowing Tyreek, being 32 as fast as he is, he's probably not going to slow down anytime soon. Based on what the way we've seen players come back from even gruesome injuries like this, I think he's going to be all right. But I, I feel he's a Hall of Famer based on what he's done thus far to date in NFL.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I, I, I, I think the thing is also oo, I think he should take his time. I think he had this injury. I think he did it in week four. So he's about five months into his surgery. Excuse me, rehab. He should be in no rush. You said his next move should be his best move.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That's got to be his best.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I agree. Because the one thing, okay, he left voluntarily, Kansas City, to go to Miami. Miami. He doesn't leave under the same circumstances. The last thing you want to happen, Ocho, is you go somewhere and then after a year, they move on. So now what's the, what's the thing? He ain't the same player. So you start to bounce, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Now they ping pong you, and that's the last thing they want because like you said, he's coming off a gruesome injury and he's 32.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. I'll tell you what y' all do

[Greg Rosenthal]

realize, I mean, he was running, he was running 4:3 at 31. So, yeah, I agree with you, Ocho, if, I don't know if we've ever seen a player this fast have this gruesome of an injury. So we really don't know what he's going to be when he gets back because that's a lot of downforce, that's a lot of deceleration and acceleration. If he can still accelerate, can he still get in and out of those breaks with the quickness? Can he still put fear? Hey, go ahead. Can he still put fear? Go ahead now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Fat, fat, come here. All right, go ahead.

[Greg Rosenthal]

No, I was just. I, I think that's, that's the biggest thing. We've never seen a player with this kind of speed to have this kind of gruesome injury. Because the acceleration and the deceleration, because you may, hey, the faster you go. Because normally guys that run really fast, hey, they have to throw that blink on there to get in and out of the blanks. That's not what Tyreek does. He can decel, he could accelerate and decelerate with the, in this in the same. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see. But I, I would take my time. I'm in no rush. I'm Tyreek. My resume speaks for itself. Yes. And they're gonna ask him, you know, they're gonna bring him in, they're gonna ask him what happened in that situation. They always do. They always do.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't, I don't know. I, I, I, I, I, I don't think so. I don't think so. Understanding, knowing what he can do, it's about moving forward. I don't see them rehashing the past, because the past is not going to help what you're trying to do and what he can do in helping a team right now in trying to reach their end goal, especially the Kansas City Chiefs. Based on. Yes. Based on. Huh. Based on, you know, them missing the playoffs last year and having struggles at that position. I think they'll be happy to bring him back. Especially with Eric B. Enemy knowing how to use them the right way.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Let me ask you a question. And Chad, y' all can chime in. In a regular job, if you get five of your. A regular job and you go to a new job, they ask you what happened in the old job. Ocho,

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know what? I like it, but it's a. It's a different environment with. With different leaders where he doesn't have to be that main one. You got. You got Mahomes, you got some of those other fellas over there.

[Greg Rosenthal]

When you got the Coach Belichick, what did Coach Belichick ask you?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, he asked me nothing. I know what he did say.

[Greg Rosenthal]

What do you say?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Listen, welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the. To New England. You know, you're gonna have to change who you are to be here, so.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But you don't think. Ask him anything about what transpired.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's already been there and. He's already been there, Unc. He's already been there. He's just coming back home.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He's been where?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

In Kansas City?

[Greg Rosenthal]

I get Kansas City. Kansas City. No, look, Kansas City saw somebody.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, right. If he goes. If he goes somewhere else beyond that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But I'm saying. But what if he doesn't go to Kansas City? What if he goes to Buffalo? What if he goes to the Charger? I'm not saying go into a familiar situation. They knew. They took Tyreek knowing what had transpired beforehand, so they have an understanding of who Tyreek is. But San Diego, Excuse me. San Diego, Louisiana. The Chargers don't.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Right.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Buffalo does not. Maybe any other teams does not. So I need to get a sense. I need to get a feel to. To make sure this situation doesn't arise again. Go ahead. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I. I don't. I don't. I don't think we have any issues. Obviously, the off field stuff, it. It overshadows what he's done on the field.

[Greg Rosenthal]

No, that was on the field. That wasn't off the field. I. Look, divorce and the kids, I don't care nothing about. Hopefully. Hopefully, yeah. The allegations about D. DV Isn't true. I hope the kids. The kid. Hey, that happened. I don't. I don't care. I don't care if he got a baby. One baby mama, two baby moms. They ain't got nothing to do. I don't care about that. But what we're. I'm only. I'm only talking about what transpired the last game of the regular season when he was fully healthy. Yeah, that's it. And I'm not chat. And I don't want you to. Look, I'm not trying to minimize it. I'm just saying we're talking about. Because all that. And they might even ask him about that. Yeah, but I'm talking about on the field play. That's what Ocho and I are discussing. Yes. DV is bad. And so I'm not trying to. Cause y' all know you're gonna try to parse words and clip it and say doesn't care. I do care, but I'm not asking him about that because I can read, and I'm gonna ask him. Who knows? Maybe they call. Maybe they call her. I don't know. Maybe they get the police report and deduce what they can from that or. All I'm saying is. Is what transpired the last game of the regular season a year and a half ago, that's what's going to be the major concern for teams. All the teams, maybe not Kansas City, because they know who Reek is. Andy's very familiar with him. Brett Veech is familiar with him. Obviously, EB Is familiar with him. Kelsey Mahomes, everybody. I saw Chris Jones, Cheetah had the club.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes, yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So. But I'm just saying, I. I think in a situation like that, Ocho, you get asked those questions because it'd be. Yeah, you know, a great person to be had on tonight would be asked to. Because to went from San Fran. He went to Philly. From Philly to Dallas. Dallas. So did they ask you anything about what transpired at the previous stops?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Right. I mean, you know, it's possible. It's possibly. They can. I'm sure it'll be an easy question that he won't have a problem answering. Obviously, being a player, you know how you can get frustrated, but there's certain things you really can't do, especially wearing that C on your chest. And it got to him in the. In the moment. He was upset. I'm not sure what was going on. I can't remember that previous game or who they were playing. But he was frustrated, especially offensive, because he wasn't being able. He wasn't being used the way he felt he should.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, it's the first time and maybe since his rookie Year that he didn't get a thousand yards. You know, you as a wide receiver, you measure your success by a thousand yards. Let me get that thousand and then I'll deal with it. Hey, I might only have 50 catches, but if I got 50 catches for a thousand yards, that's 20 yards. Good. I'm Gucci. Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Good.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yes, that's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And so I think that might have played a part in it. And when you're at that level, you see all these young guys, you see what Chase doing, You seeing what Jetta's doing, you seeing what Puka's doing, you see, oh, as we start to get older, we see those young dogs coming.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, man.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Pretty soon I'm g. Have to get my ass on the damn porch. I can't even run with them no more.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

We had an old dog without growing up. Ocho. Hey. Oh, Joe boy. That was his name. Joe Boy. Joe Boy got old. The other dog be running in the yard, he just bark at him. Basically said, I remember I used to be able to do that, but I gotta stay up here.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, you can't move no more.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He can get off the porch to go out and do his business, but I did. He ain't running with nothing, and he definitely ain't going hunting with those, with those other dogs. But I wish Tyreek the best. I. I thought for what he's been able to do on the field. The way he turned himself from a gadget guy. A guy's getting, you know, some, some shovel passes, some jet sweeps of, you know, flea flickers here and there's a return specialist. And to turn himself into a preeminent receiver, that's dedicated, that's hard work. We all have our flaws. We've all made mistakes. But in this situation, I. I commend him on what he's been able to overcome, to turn himself into the receiver that he became. And so I wish him the best. Nothing but going to forward. But I agree with you 1000%. Take your time. You should be in no rush. If this thing doesn't happen, I mean, it don't have to happen the first week of, you know, the signing period is second week of March. Ocho, I ain't got to get with the team. I ain't gonna be able to do anything anyway.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But the one, One thing about it, I. I think it's gonna happen before that. When, when, when time. When the time comes, I think, you know, teams especially that need a receiver of his caliber again, even coming off injury understanding the value that he can bring once he is healthy. A lot of teams can use that asset. A lot of teams. And you know, just to. Not to go off topic, I, I love talk about Tyreek. Speaking of receivers that. That need to be utilized in the right way. That is. Is another Matthew Golden.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Matthew golden had that same, that same type of. I, I don't understand what they're doing over there in Green Bay, but I just, I just felt like throwing it out there. They need to utilize him the right way too because they using him as if he's just a gadget player and he can do somewhat of the same thing Tyreek can. He just hadn't figured it out yet, if that makes sense.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Plus, I think the thing that players get caught up in is that teams do not get caught up in this. Hold on. We're about to invest 15, 20 million dollars. I don't. I mean, maybe it would incentive. They can get to that number. You have to. You have to set aside what a guy once was.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And actually pay him and value him on what you believe he'll be.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Right.

[Greg Rosenthal]

We get caught up in a lot. We get caught up sometimes in that. Oo. We get caught up. Oh, I remember, I remember, I remember. And we paying for what he was as opposed to what he is, what he is. Everything. Some things do increase in value. Some things they lose value. Hey, I just saw an Enzo Ferrari. I think it was on Mecum. That went for 16 million. Yeah. The end zone, the yellow. It was yellow. I think it was one. I think it was one of one.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But, but they're skyrocketing. They're. They're skyrocketing.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And, and so I, I think for me, that's, that's what I think that's what teams are going to look at. I think they'll give him decent money. Oo. But I think it's going to be. A lot of. It's going to be incentives.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. And knowing him, I think he's a player that will be able to hit those incentive. Especially if he comes back anywhere near like what he once was.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Miami traded the first round, traded a first round pick, a second round pick, two fourth round picks and a sixth round pick to acquire Cheetah in 2022, despite Tyreek having two productive seasons in Miami. In hindsight, what do you think, Ocho? You like this trade? Yeah, I like it. From a monetary standpoint, that's it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean. Yeah. But it's. You. You would never be able to get that anywhere else, huh? No, you would never get that, be able to get that anywhere else. This is one of the best receivers, not just of this generation. He's still one of the best receivers of all time. Of all time. I, I think people, people need to understand the run that Tyres Tyreek was on before his injury. This ain't just know anybody. So I mean this, it was worth it. And they, they got what they wanted. Obviously the end goal is always to, to, to win a championship. But there, there's so many different, so many other holes that need to be filling before we can even think about talking about a championship down here in Miami any damn way.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So now, now I, I don't know. It's going to be hard because just think now, Ocho, he has two more Super Bowls with another super bowl appearance. Now maybe he doesn't have 1799 and 1700. Maybe he's around 13, but he has three 1300 yard seasons. Now Ocho, we looking like. Hold on, man. Tyreek got like 12,000 yards and another bloop.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Bloop.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Another two Super bowl rings. Hey. And another all. Hey. I don't know, Ocho, you might be right. Even though we have some issues that, and don't let anybody fool you. They say they're not supposed to look at off field issues and it all depends on who it is.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, yeah. You know, they move the goal for the goal post for who they want to. You know that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Absolutely.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You understand that. And it's, it's unfortunate that they, they've been given that kind of power to be able to control the narratives and, and tell the, and, and have. Be able to finish your story in their own right. They just have too much power to me and I don't like politics. If I wanted to play politics, I would have been a politician. And everything becomes political and not what you've done on the field. Which is why it just, just. It is what it is.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You be a great politician. Just lie, just tell the people. Just tell your constituents what they want to hear. They'll vote you in and then they get comfortable. That's why these people 80, 80 plus years old that's been in office for 40 years. Yeah, but you know, it's crazy. Look, they say Lady Justice. Lady justice supposedly have a scale. So it's justice supposed to be balanced and it's supposed to be blindfolded. But every once in a while she be peeking. Oh, I see you. Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

All the time on you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey. All the time. And depending on it. When it comes to that, too. Now, you. Certain people. Certain people play by different rules.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Absolutely.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Certain people play by different rules. And. And we can see that's going on right now. I'm. That that's not the kind of talk show that we do have. But as you can see, there's a huge story going on, and there are certain people that play in a whole different ball game.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And run their own system where the rules don't apply to them.

[Greg Rosenthal]

After the Dolphins released Tyreek Hill, the former Miami Dade police officer who hauled him out of the car and handcuffed him during the traffic stop at hard Rock Stadium September 24, was reportedly thrilled. Danny Torres allegedly celebrated Tyrese release with a Facebook post on Tuesday writing, I guess it took a bit, but karma gotcha. Now that I'm retired and I can tell you how I feel about you, you are an entitled butthole, and I'm embarrassed to the team and the city that kiss your. You know what I wish. I wish you the best and hope you are able to afford all that child support, especially now that you're unemployed. But I'm sure you'll pick up and you'll recall havoc in their. Their. Their team and city. That's just how you did in Miami between. Next time, roll your effing window down and the text message to the Miami News Times. Torres, who retired in July, reportedly said he was pretty much crucified for doing my job. He reportedly added that he is 100% stands by his Facebook post saying, I was actually nice. He destroyed me, my reputation when the incident happened, and I had to stay quiet because I was still employed. But I'm retired, so now it's my turn to say the truth.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, Ocho is this honest. Honestly, you can get it off your chest. It's unnecessary. It's tasteless. He's talking about karma. But obviously, this situation, depending on who you are, you got. You got to be careful. You got to be careful. I understand you are retired right now, so I'm not sure in any way or any shape, form or fashion where karma could come back and harm you in any way. But listen, you could have just let that be. You could have kept that to yourself. I mean, but it is. It is what it is. Obviously, he didn't. He didn't take a liking to the situation and the way Tyreek handled it during that time, he got a lot of. A lot of flack for it, especially being a Dolphins player. And I, you know, you know how that goes, you know, and obviously the fans and the people of Miami will be on the side of the player side, outside of the cop trying to do his job. But, I mean, it is. It is what it is. To me. It's tasteless. I understand you're upset. I understand you're mad, but. But a rejoicing when someone is unemployed or gets cut, I mean, that's. Come on.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I agree, Ocho, but you could. The mere fact of what he put in his post lets you know it's personal.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Greg Rosenthal]

The man talk about child support.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Absolutely.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You see what I'm saying? Don't. Joe. If you wanted to say, look, you caused me, you know, pain because all you had to do was roll down your window. I got crucified. I did my job and had you just follow simple instructions like, hey, roll your window down, we would have been cool. But the mere fact that he added a lot of ancillary stuff to go along with it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Lets you know, Ocho. Lets you know how you. Like I said, look, I. I just hope. Look, I wish Tyree nothing but the best. It's a very. A very unfortunate situation. Yeah, it's tough because, you know, there's a lot of security, there's a lot of police officers. Oo, when we come into that stadium. Oh, yeah, there's a lot. Because you got to realize you're gonna have 70,000 people, and all 70,000 ain't gonna be on their best behavior. Oo, some might be had a little something to drink before they even got to the stadium. And, you know, once you get in the stadium, so I, I, look, I just. I just hate this situation. But like you said, man's entitled to his opinion. He felt a certain type of way. And I just wish Tyreek the best. Hopefully he get all this stuff, he's able to come back and be the Tyreek that we remember him as.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And all this stuff that he has going on outside of the field, he can get that. Because it's kind of hard to play when you have so much on your plate.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's not football related because you're only human. You can only. You can. You can only. You can only, Ocho. Compartmentalize so much.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So no matter how. Hey. And there's a box. You can only put so much in it. This glass I got. I don't care. I can only put so much liquid in this glass before it's going to come out.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So, Tyreek, you know, we wish you the best, bro. Get everything situated, get healthy, and then take care of what you need to get what you need to take care of Brown. Three time Pro bowl guard Wyatt Taylor announced that he will not be back with Cleveland in 2026 and that he'll be with a new team next season as he'll be a free agent in March. The entire Browns offensive line is set to become free agent. That left tackle, he should have been free last year. But then Joel Batanio, Ethan Polsik, Wyatt Taylor and Jack Conklin. But I left tackle, he was, he was bad. Can you imagine, can you imagine if that if the Ravens if, if that left tackle from Cleveland and the Ravens right guard was on the same offensive line.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I don't do that. That wouldn't be.

[Greg Rosenthal]

If I was a quarterback they'd have to pay me 100 million because you gonna get sacked a hundred times.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I don't know if I've ever heard. I mean. No. Ocho you know this because you know how Lyme and are. They're very quiet.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Really? Like. Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

They don't talk much.

[Greg Rosenthal]

They don't really say nothing for him for alignment.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

To come out and say this.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Why?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Why do you come out and say it? I mean, what's the point?

[Greg Rosenthal]

I'm. Look, it's hard for me to imagine that at the exit media, at the exit meeting.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes, sir.

[Greg Rosenthal]

They hadn't had conversation. Maybe his representative have had conversation and it's like you know it, you know, just go ahead and you know, look for a new locale, whatever the case may be. Right. But he is a three time Pro bowl guard.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

No matter what you think of the Browns for you, first of all, for you to get that kind of recognition

[Daniel Jeremiah]

as a Browns player. Yes, yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

People don't realize how hard it is to get recognition when you're a bad team. When you're a player on a bad team. Now look, Miles Garrett is Miles Garrett.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But your offensive line and you don't have a, a 15, 1600 yard rusher. When you don't have a, a 3, 4000 yard passer. You don't have wide receivers with gody numbers because stats is what even though the off none of them go to the offensive line don't show you like something. You know a guy last year was two years ago when Saquan ran for 2000.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

We l that off his line. Look at that offensive line. Or when Derrick Henry did what he did.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

But when you don't have a guy that has those kind of numbers and you don't have a Lamar Jackson that pass for 41 touchdowns and you don't have a 5,000. How do, how do Lyman get recognition other than holding? Number 78 offense.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Right.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Illegal hands to the face. Number 64 offense.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's the only time they get recognition.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So for him to be a Pro bowl player three times and as bad as offensively as they've been.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That probably gave you a pretty good indication. He's a pretty good player.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Very, very tackle. No, if, if they are that bad and you getting recognized by your peers, not only on your team, but every time you play, that means you have to pop out on film. You have to pop out on film. Even with no running back that's going crazy, Even with no 4,000yard passing quarterback, you got, you got to pop out on film even when things are bad.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yes. So.