Best of NFL News Part 2: OBJ BROKE?!, Eagles’ Kevin Patullo to GET SECURITY after fans EGG his house!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 2: OBJ BROKE?!, Eagles’ Kevin Patullo to GET SECURITY after fans EGG his house!

Date: December 6, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media)

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Episode Overview

In this lively “Best of NFL News” episode, Shannon Sharpe and co-host “Uncle Ocho” dive into headline-grabbing NFL controversies, focusing heavily on the Philadelphia Eagles’ struggles, a spirited debate about player finances sparked by rumors of Odell Beckham Jr. being “broke,” the challenges of maintaining NFL-level lifestyles off the field, and several candid inside stories from around the league. The episode also features guest Tyrod Taylor, who reflects on perseverance as a quarterback. Throughout, the hosts keep up their trademark blend of humor, honesty, and candid player insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eagles’ Offensive Woes and Patullo’s “Egging” Incident

[02:52 – 12:09]

• Incident Recap: The Eagles’ offensive coordinator Kevin Patullo’s house was egged after a loss, underscoring the intense and unforgiving passion of Philly football fans.
• Fan Expectations: The hosts marvel at Philly fans’ history, referencing the infamous Santa Claus snowball incident and the unrelenting demand for performance, even after a recent Super Bowl win.
  • “Philly fans are very passionate… this is the same fan base that threw snowballs at Santa Claus years ago.” – Uncle Ocho [03:15]
• On Security: Discussion around whether Patullo now needs 24/7 security.
  • “They need to have 24 hour security at Kevin Patullo’s house so he doesn’t have this issue anymore.” – Uncle Ocho [04:09]
• Jalen Hurts Analysis:
  • The offense looks lackluster versus last year; struggles traced to diminished O-line health, lack of running game, and Hurts being forced to shoulder the load.
  • “He’s not the greatest thrower… but some people are going to have to win games a different way.” – Joe [05:11]
• Super Bowl Hangover:
  • Sharpe emphasizes the difficulty of repeating as champions due to roster changes, heightened expectations, and the “wanting to do more” syndrome.
  • “People think Super Bowls are easy… It’s hard, it’s hard to repeat.” – Joe [08:49]
• AJ Brown & Receiver “Diva” Discourse:
  • Debate over Seth Joyner’s (Eagles great) criticism of AJ Brown’s attitude when not getting enough targets.
  • “Yes, all receivers want the ball. That’s the whole point! If he wanted to run track, he would have run track.” – Uncle Ocho [13:24]

2. NFL Player Finances: The OBJ Broke Rumors & Beyond

[26:51 – 41:32]

• OBJ Rumors:
  • Odell Beckham Jr. responds to rumors regarding financial distress after auctioning off game-worn cleats.
  • “Boy, you can’t say nothing in the world nowadays… People love to take ish out of context.” – Joe paraphrasing OBJ [26:51]
• Managing Wealth as an Athlete:
  • Deep dive into why so many pro athletes “go broke,” with hosts giving blunt, personal, and practical analysis of taxes, lifestyle inflation, and the social pressure to display wealth.
  • “You live in a lifestyle when the money’s coming in fast… that lifestyle becomes your image and it becomes an identity.” – Uncle Ocho [29:20]
  • “If you can’t live off $3 million a year, you got issues.” – Joe [36:01]
• Child Support and Lifestyle Expenses:
  • Eye-opening segment on how high child support and private school bills can spiral, especially for athletes, with plenty of laughter and a bit of humility from the hosts.
  • “Can you imagine having to pay for a child $50,000 a month?” – Uncle Ocho [39:49]
  • “There are some states… they base it on how much the father makes… and they make you responsible for the private tuition.” – Joe [40:54]

3. Tyrod Taylor Interview: Resilience and Team Leadership

[46:43 – 55:40]

• Game Recap & Clutch Drives:
  • Tyrod is congratulated for leading a game-winning drive in a tough season.
  • “It was a crazy play… I can’t go down, so get out of there.” – Tyrod Taylor [47:24]
• Mentality as a Backup QB:
  • Taylor speaks on being ready, staying professional, and mentoring younger QBs even when not the starter.
  • “That ultimately rubbed off on me into how I approach my day to day. And 15 years later… being mentally and physically prepared to go out and lead if called upon.” – Tyrod Taylor [49:35]
• Locker Room Dynamics:
  • Discusses how coaching staff kept morale and work ethic high despite a tough record: “It’s about creating a standard first… and guys have responded well.” – Tyrod Taylor [51:41]
• Professionalism:
  • “The process, the standard is the standard. And there’s an expectation that as a professional you must be a pro.” – Joe [53:30]

4. Player-Media Relations: Sideline Drama & Social Media

[56:41 – 66:04]

• Jerry Jeudy/Shador Sanders Sideline Argument:
  • Explores how minor on-field disputes are magnified by the media, especially during losing streaks.
  • “Everything is magnified. Especially when you’re losing…” – Uncle Ocho [57:41]
  • “The media’s job is to report… You got these demonstrative antics…” – Joe [57:58]
• Navigating Public Criticism:
  • Both hosts give advice on handling media and fan scrutiny without burning bridges or making drama public.
  • “If I had something to say to the quarterback… I expected them to give me that kind of grace also, because… you show me up, you not gonna like my right.” – Joe [60:22]
• Old School vs. Social Media Era:
  • Discussion of how social media magnifies everything, and how both used media to play psychological games with opponents back in the day.
  • “I didn’t need social media… I use the media to take my shots.” – Uncle Ocho [65:15]

5. Inside the Locker Room & the “Angry” NFL Wide Receiver

[66:20 – 68:22]

• Steve Smith Sr. Stories:
  • Anecdotes about the ultra-competitive, “pit bull” mentality of Steve Smith Sr., a wide receiver known for playing much bigger than his stature.
  • “He was a pit bull. He was angry. His style of play, it was like somebody did something wrong to him.” – Uncle Ocho [67:28]
  • “He’s still on that type of time.” – Joe [68:22]

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “They need to have 24 hour security at Kevin Patullo’s house so he doesn’t have this issue anymore.” – Uncle Ocho [04:09]
• “People think Super Bowls are easy… It’s hard, it’s hard to repeat.” – Joe [08:49]
• “Yes, all receivers want the ball. That’s the whole point! If he wanted to run track, he would have run track.” – Uncle Ocho [13:24]
• “You live in a lifestyle when the money’s coming in fast… that lifestyle becomes your image and it becomes an identity.” – Uncle Ocho [29:20]
• “If you can’t live off $3 million a year, you got issues.” – Joe [36:01]
• “Can you imagine having to pay for a child $50,000 a month?” – Uncle Ocho [39:49]
• “It was a crazy play… I can’t go down, so get out of there.” – Tyrod Taylor [47:24]
• “He was a pit bull. He was angry. His style of play, it was like somebody did something wrong to him.” – Uncle Ocho [67:28]

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 02:52 | Philly OC Patullo’s house egged | | 05:11 | Analysis on Jalen Hurts’ struggles | | 08:49 | Super Bowl hangover & historical perspective | | 13:22 | Seth Joyner/Eagles WR “diva” argument | | 26:51 | Odell Beckham Jr. “broke” rumor & NFL player money | | 39:45 | Child support and lifestyle spillover for athletes | | 46:43 | Tyrod Taylor interview and perspective | | 56:41 | Sideline drama, player-media relations | | 66:20 | Steve Smith Sr. and the “angry WR” archetype |

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is an engaging blend of real talk, football analysis, and laughs. The hosts pull no punches in dissecting fan behavior, player finances, and media narratives—always with a dose of humility and experienced perspective unique to NFL veterans. Listeners get not only timely football insight, but also life lessons on resilience and the dangers of living beyond your means.

Whether you’re a casual football fan or an insider, this episode delivers a candid, all-access pass to the emotions and realities under the NFL’s bright lights.

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OO hours after the Eagles lost to the Bears on Friday, Philly OC Kevin Pula was a victim of a house getting egged. Patula has been heavily criticized this season for the underperformance of the Eagles offense. The team ranks at the bottom third of nearly every offensive category. Oo consider how much egg cost, man. Damn near like what, eight, nine dollars a day.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, listen, they told me we were in a financial crisis. They told me the economy was bad and we got people out here wasting the eggs to egg somebody house. Listen, I love the Philly fans. Philly fans are very passionate, a very passionate fan base. They travel well, they support their team through thick and thin. They ain't really had too much thin, but goddamn, this is the same fan base that threw snowballs at Santa Claus years ago. I hear that story all the time.

[Joe]

He deserved it. He ain't bring no gifts.

[Uncle Ocho]

So something like this doesn't surprise me being how serious they are about their football team.

They won the super bowl last year. Things haven't been the same. The offense doesn't look the same. So who is the blame? Whose name keeps coming up over and over and over? Listen, that. They going a little too far. They going a little too far. They.

They need to have 24 hour security at Kevin Patullo's house so he doesn't have this issue anymore.

They don't, they don't do the players like that.

I mean, I mean, damn.

[Joe]

I'm, I'm there for. Look, I, I get it. I, I get that. You know, fans get upset. They want to win. I mean, they're so passionate. You know, fan is short for fanatic. And when you fanatic about something, you sometimes, you know, you go over the edge and you get fanatical about it. Yeah, that's not to excuse. I don't want. Chad, I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way, to say it's because they're upset. They have a right to be upset. Boo all that you want to. Yes, but don't. Don't damage the man property.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Come on. That, that's too far.

[Joe]

Don't. Don't damage the man's property. That's what I'm saying. Look, they need to get this thing fixed. It was, it was a lot easier for Jalen Hurst to play quarterback last year because oo he was throwing the wide open windows because, you know, it was single coverage because we got to get this eighth guy down to stop Saquon.

Got to stop Saquon. Look, he's not the, the greatest thrower of the football and that's not a knock. There are a lot of guys that's been able to, to, to make in the league without being great throws at the football. Everybody, look, everybody will be Aaron Rodgers. Everybody go. Everybody going to be a Patrick Mahomes and some of these great throws at the football. Some people are going to have to win games a different way.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

And so, you know, we, we, I, I think the thing is with Jalen is that we look at him in this.

It'S not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Is he as great a throwing the football as that? No, absolutely not. You might say that. Well, he won a super. Okay, if that's your only measure, take off. But there have been a lot of great. There have been a lot of players that have won Super Bowls. That's not as good as some of the players that haven't.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

But they need to figure this out and what's going on. Jalen's gonna have, they're gonna have to trust Jalen. Jalen's gonna have to trust them and he's gonna have to take some risk.

He just is.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, listen, I, I, because I, I.

[Joe]

I, I just, I just don't see a scenario now OO where this running game, this running game ain't even close to what it was last year.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, absolutely not. And the fact that it hasn't got going this late into the season is up and probably not going to show up. I mean, I mean this, this far into the season. But one thing I do know is I wouldn't count Jaylen out, honestly. On. Regardless of whether we could run the ball, regardless of how people feel about him being able to throw the ball. I think they have, they have, they all have a wi. Winning mentality. And that goddamn, that quarterback, he has the worst, the worst.

When it comes to just, it's football. Football only. Don't smile. He don't make no jokes. He's locked in and he's been locked in since they won that Super Bowl. So if they're going to win, I think it's going to have to be on the shoulders of him and on the arm of that quarterback. And I think having A.J. brown, having Devontae Smith, I, I feel they're going to be okay. Kevin, I mean, Mr. Petullo, he's still going to be calling the plays. He's still going to be calling the plays. So it's going to onus. The onus in winning those games. Since you can't run, it gonna have to come from Jalen.

[Joe]

I think the thing is, for me, Ocho, I'm gonna see if he gonna be the offensive coordinator next year. Because I remember when they went through that lull.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And he said he believed in them.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

That quarter. He wasn't the. He wasn't the coordinator the following year. Right.

[Tyrod Taylor]

And.

[Joe]

That'S when they brought Kellen Moore in and Kelly Moore, they got called the plays. They went to the super bowl and they won it. So we'll see. I mean, everybody says, oh, yeah, this. We don't. We win as a team, we lose as a team, but we'll see. How much are you willing to take losing as a team before you make changes?

[Uncle Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

Because we'll see.

[Uncle Ocho]

Listen, they gonna make them. But you know, the coaches, you know, Sirianni gonna say all the right stuff publicly. He gonna say all the right stuff.

[Joe]

They.

[Uncle Ocho]

They do every. Everything is always politically correct when they speak, but he know their issues because job. You know, jobs. Jobs are at stake. I know you're just coming off a Super bowl win last year, but I mean, hell, I mean, what's going on this year is unacceptable, you know, by their standards. By not just the team standards, not the organization. Hell, by the fan standards as well. That's why they egging the goddamn coach house. We not finna. We not. Man. What's up.

Now? You got. You better get it. You better get it together.

[Joe]

Figure it out. Yeah, it's tough because, like, when you win the super bowl, that's the expectation.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

People think Super Bowls are easy. People think you just. Oh, once you win, you just keep winning and winning and winning and winning. No, people don't realize. Like, when Tom. When Tom, they like, okay, they wanted 01, they missed the playoffs in O2, and then they won 3 and 4. They didn't win in 5, they didn't win in 6. They got back in 7. They didn't get back in 8. They got back in 10. Then they missed 11, 12, 13. They got back in 4. It's. Bro. It's hard. It's hard to repeat. That's why they have only been a handful. They've been, what, 59 Super bowl winners. Only a handful of those are repeated. It's hard.

It's not something that's easy to do because you have so much turnover. As far as, like, you get your free agents, you can only sign a few, and then people come steal all. Some of your best players that you can't resign. Some of your best coaches, they get other jobs. Ocho. They go to college. They get the jobs in the NFL and then.

You all. This is the biggest problem that you have.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You get guys wanting to do more with what they did last time was enough.

So everybody wants to be the reason why. So now I need to do more. Ocho, you call 85 Pauls last year, Man, I need to catch a hundred now. No, 85 was plenty.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

But.

I think the thing is, like.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, what we in week 14, right?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

God damn. But the season over, what it is.

[Joe]

It is two months.

[Uncle Ocho]

They got a chance to turn it around. What you think? If it ain't turned around, at least show signs of.

[Joe]

I think it's going to be coming on. Jalen. I don't think they're going to be able to run the football. I don't. Because the offensive line isn't the same. Your center's banged up. Your right guard is not very good. Your right tackle is not Lane Johnson.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Dickerson is injured. You know, he had his knee operated on before the season. So he's basically out there on one leg just gutting it up. They're not the same offensive line. They're not the same offensive team.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I got you. Listen, listen, listen. For Petullo's sake, I hope things turn around. You know, I think he needs to have 24 hour security outside his home from this point on. I mean, it's. It's unfortunate that it has. It's come to this, but I think he also needs to understand how serious the fans of Philly take their football. This ain't no joke, Unk. The fans of Philly. They beat up Santa Claus, man. They hit him with snowballs like, you know, you know. You know how serious that is?

[Joe]

Mm, I do.

[Uncle Ocho]

We took Santa, man. And people in Philly don't play, and they do not play. There's a certain standard that you must live by as a coach, as a player, and we don't meet that goddamn standard. What happens? You get egged, you get snowballs? I mean, no. No disrespect, you know, I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just saying, like, Philly, man, I'm fan. They don't play, they travel well. They support and they mean business.

[Joe]

A lot of the teams two current two game skid Eagles, ledger. Seth Jordan, but I should have called self. I'd have known that you would have. I'd have called if he came on tonight. That's. That's my guy, man. We have cell 98. We had a great program. We had the running back Nah, Seth was a linebacker. Oh, he was on Green Bay in 97. We beat them in Green. We beat him when he was on Green Bay. Then he came to us and got a Super bowl and self said, I'm out of here, bro. I'm done. In light of the team's current two game skid, Eagles legend Seth Jordan had some harsh criticism for A.J. brown throughout the season. A.J. has consistently complained after wins because he was unhappy with his lack of involvement. Over the last two games, he's had his best two statistical performance of the season and we didn't hear any complaints out of him. Losses, Jonah took it, took issue with that. A lot of people are going to be pissed at me and they might be even pissed at me. But a lot of ways he's a typical receiver, 21st century wide receiver diva. He's selfish because he's getting the ball on a regular basis and there's no complaining. The Eagles lost two games in a row and A.J. brown had nine plus targets and a touchdown. You ain't complaining now. That tells me that's all that bitching and moaning was really about. Was really self centered.

[Uncle Ocho]

You goddamn right.

[Joe]

The.

[Uncle Ocho]

What are you. What is he talking about? God damn, Seth. Yes, all receivers want the ball. That's the whole point. What are you talking about? Everybody. Everybody's selfish at some point in the game of football. Yes, it's a team sport. Yes, we want to win, but also we need to be productive. We want to be productive. He didn't sign up. If he wanted to run track, he would have ran track. If he wanted to run up and down the field and not do anything and not be productive, he would have ran track. He wants to be productive. He makes $33 million a year. He wants the ball to coincide with the money that he's making. Yes, winning is a team accomplishment.

It's not just on A.J. brown. It's not just on Saquon Barkley. It's just not on Jalen Hurts. It's a team effort collectively as a group. When everybody does everything right in unison, you get a W.

I mean, what are we, what are we talking about here?

[Joe]

It's tough.

[Uncle Ocho]

Very.

[Joe]

Cause a part of me understands what he's going through. Yeah. And a part of me, like, man, look, I wanted the ball too, but I understood. At the end of the day, it's just hard.

It's just hard. And fans are going to look like, bro, we winning, man, we winning. We winning. Just shut up. If we weren't winning and you're not Getting the ball. I'm going to be on your side. I'm going have a. I'm going have a battle throw to AJ but when you're winning and I get the. He told. He promised the owner that he wasn't going to speak out anymore. So he wasn't going to do. Say anything after games or he wasn't going to put anything on social media. So that's probably. That might be a reason why he's not saying anything, because he promised Jeffrey L. That he wasn't going to say anything. It's just. It's just tough that.

When you win the complain. Because I thought the ultimate goal was to win. And I get his point that, look, I'm a number one receiver. You paid me money. You traded for me to come here. Okay? Treat me like that and throw me the ball.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I got a question.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know the Eagles defense gave up. You know how many yards last week?

[Joe]

I do, Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

A whole lot. Goddamn defense. One of the few games. One of the few games all year long. Finally that damn collapsed and.

[Joe]

And when we needed the offense to pick us up, what happened?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they ain't show up on.

[Joe]

I keep telling people, I said, look, whatever your best. Whatever your best unit is, they're gonna have an off Sunday or two. The question is, can the other unit that's not as strong, can you pick them up? There were a couple of games in the regular season in 2000, our defense didn't look like the defense that we had know and come and love. Offense had to pick it up. We picked it up against Jacksonville. We ended up winning 39, I think 39, 33, 39, 36, something like that. And we ended up. It was a close game against the jets, the last game of the season. But at times it's those types of. Those happen. Yeah. But like you said, for the better part of three months, the defense had been sensational, has been stalwart, awesome. And the offense. Okay, man, we ain't got it today. Come on, A.J. come on, Saquon. Come on, Jalen. Come on, Devonte.

So.

It'S hard for any unit to be.

Up here. Yeah. Give you another example. The super bowl with Tom Brady.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They have been scoring all those points. They scored more points than anybody else in NFL history up until that point. And the one game they couldn't get that. What do they need the defense to do? Ocho, lock them down.

[Uncle Ocho]

Lock them down.

[Joe]

Yeah, we got the lead. Just keep them out the end zone.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

We kick a field, they kick a Field goal. We go all the time. We might win the top blue. Go boom.

Happens sometimes. Sometimes it happens that way. Where the unit that's not as strong or hasn't been as statistically strong during the regular season. We need them. Come pull us through for a couple of games. Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Happens sometimes. It's tough. It's really tough.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, does it get. Does it get any easier for the Eagles? Who?

[Joe]

No, they got Sunday night game against. Against the.

Oh, they play the Chargers.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, my God.

[Joe]

And the Chargers defense, they. Hey, Khalil Mack.

[Uncle Ocho]

The.

[Joe]

Somewhere I forget his name. 45. They can put pressure on your quarterback.

[Uncle Ocho]

Dirt. Let me see. Derwin, we got James.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They got Henley. They got Henley. Nice. Khalil. Mac, they're collapsing the pocket. They can run.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Now we're gonna see Justin Herbert had surgery today on that hand. Yeah. They say he's day by day. They'll know more later in the week, whether or not he's going to play. They got no. I don't know if they have good a chance. They're going to have a winning if Trey Lance is the quarterback, but, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn, man.

[Joe]

You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't force your defense. Because think about it, Ocho. How many plays that defense played?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

On Thursday. Oh, fright. Excuse me. Friday. Friday they play. Friday, they play Black Friday.

So.

Hey, guys. Hey. Hey. Today we ain't got it. Y' all better be getting it. Cause we ain't got it either.

But it's tough. Yeah, it's tough because when you the guy, you know, people don't look, but. Hey, how many balls you catch today, man, I ain't catching three. Damn, what happened to you, man? They throw me the ball. What the hell you mean, what happened to me?

So it's.

It's tough. It's tough.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's a few. It's a few teams, you know, and. And. And. And some issues and troubles with their seasons, you know, Right now, where.

[Joe]

Where.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's. It's. It's looking dim. It's looking dark. The Chiefs is another one. They.

[Joe]

They.

[Uncle Ocho]

They. They got to get it together.

[Joe]

Oh, they got to win out.

Or.

[Uncle Ocho]

They got to get it together.

[Joe]

Oh, Joe, I remember. Look, let me tell you how I was. I remember when I first got the undisputed. And they was like, man, Skip be doing all. Man. You Skip talk all the time. I say I don't get paid by the word. I get paid by the day, Right? So long as I show up, I'm Gonna make the same money.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

When I was at cbs, you know, we had all those people on the panel. You might get a. First of all, it's an hour show. You got the host and you got four other guys sitting up there. Yeah. So by the time they get to you, hey, sometime I have, like, three minutes.

All I know, that direct deposit hit. I got paid by the day. So I. I ain't complaining about no talk time because they don't play me. Pay me by the word, Right? They pay me by the word. And I'm trying to get in. I'm talking over everybody.

I ain't gonna be. Hey, I ain't gonna hold you to that. I'm talking over everybody. Let me get. Hey, let me get my quota in. Right? But.

But I get it. I, I, I, I, I get. You know, part of me do empathize with A.J. he's, like, in his prime, and, you know, he knows. He's like, man, I know what y' all gonna do. Y' all ain't gonna look at last year. They all gonna look at this year, cuz. Y' all gonna say, I got a year older. I'm getting closer to 30. And, you know, when they get 30, it's normally the cut off. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know how they. They play. You know how they play. You know how they play with you.

[Joe]

So, aj, All I can say is just. Bro, just go out there and just keep playing. Hey, just keep fighting hard. Just keep playing. Just try to stay positive as you possibly can. You know, pick up Hertz when you can.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Philly fans, Philly fans. Come on, man. You, you, I. I love y', all, man. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't do the coach house like that, man. Don't do his house like that. Don't do it like that. Hey, now watch, watch. Petula gonna go out there, man. Jalen gonna throw for about 500 yards, man.

[Joe]

Well, that right tackle better pick it up. Cause Khalil Mack ain't bull jabbing. Hello. Hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO, Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business? My one advice to them, Pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah. Wow. So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We're happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things. To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.

[Julian Edelman]

Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder? With a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other, one for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you are drowning in software instead of growing your business, this is where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one, fully integrated platform that handles everything CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, HR and more. No more app overload, no more juggling logins. Just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business, whether you are just starting out or already scaling up. Plus, it's easy to use, customizable and designed to streamline every process so you can focus on what really matters running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for [e-mail] that's o d o o.com stay.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Cozy, stay home and save big online during Lowe's December deal drops. Because honestly, why go anywhere when the deals come to you? Check this out. Lowe's is going to give you two free select tools from dewalt, Craftsman or Cobalt when you buy a select batter or combo kit. Yep, two tools free. It's basically a holiday miracle. Plus rewards members get free standard shipping all month long. Yet another reason not to leave your couch. Kick back, click around. Let the savings roll in. Shop New December deal drops on lowe's.com every week this month. Fresh deals, cozy vibes. Zero effort. This is Mandy Woodruff Santos from Brown Ambition. Hey ba fam. When you start a new business, your first reaction might be to say something like, yes, Queen, let's go. One thing to say that could be a huge help is like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. And just like that, State Farm will be there with the coverage that fits your needs. Whether your business is growing or just opened its doors. State Farm agents are small business owners too, so they know what it takes. They can help you create an insurance plan that fits your small business needs and budget. And when you need help, State Farm is there to answer your small business questions or help you file a claim and get you back in business. With State Farm, you can worry less about the unexpected and focus more on your business. With the State Farm agent, you know someone is helping you achieve your goals. Just say like a good neighbor, State Farm is there breaking news everybody. Not everything is terrible. I repeat, not everything is terrible. The Ripple effect with Jenna Kim Jones is proof that the Internet, it hasn't ruined humanity entirely.

[Joe]

Let me start by saying it's a great day to be a gray shirt team Rubicon. You know, it truly is a team. Those folks, myself included, all had one desire, which is helping folks in disaster.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Trying to be a little bit of.

[Joe]

Hope in a really, really bad situation.

[Sophie Cunningham]

It's like magic you guys. So put down your doom scroller and pick up your faith in humanity and join me, Jenna, for the ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. You really can. We give just that little nugget of.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hope helping other people.

[Sophie Cunningham]

For some of our gray shirts, it's during a time when they need help and by helping others, it helps them. Listen to the ripple effect with Jenna Kim Jones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe]

Odell Beckham tweeted, presumably, I guess at us. Boy, you can't say nothing in the world nowadays. That's why I've been in my own lane, my own world and put it the way people love to take ish out of context, to rationalize a statement in their own head that makes sense to them. What a world. Video came out today of Odell selling game worn chrome heart cleats for 50k.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, remember, Remember when I. You were telling me the story and I said I, I thought, I, I thought he was giving perspective and context on how difficult it is to, to be able to manage money. I didn't, I didn't really think he was talking about himself.

[Joe]

No. Ocho, if you got Ocho. What's Difficult about managing 60 million liquid?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hold on. Well, what's, what's difficult? The number, the percentage of athletes, NBA, NFL, MLB is damn near 90% now. So I mean it's difficult. That's why I thought, I thought, I thought. Because the first thing when he said it and gave context and perspective on how difficult it Is I, I thought he was meaning in general, not specifically talking about himself. That's all. But go ahead.

[Joe]

I, I get what he's saying.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

You're feeling, first of all, spending $4 million in, in yearly expenses.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Your home, family, home, X, Y and Z. Well, first of all, to spend that, you need to make. Make at least 10 million, right. Because you, depending on where you are now, if you're in a state that takes 50%. Now, if you're in Las Vegas, you in Nevada, you in Texas, you in Florida. I think Ohio has no state income tax. I think Arizona is like 2%. So if you're in one of those states. So it's going to take about 10 million to do that, to have that kind of lifestyle right now. Now, what happens is, Ocho, is that you still try to main that maintain that lifestyle, Joe, when you're not bringing in 10 million and you're still spending out that money, kind of money going out. That's why they go out. That's why you see guys go belly up. Ocho, is that you don't change your spending habits.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

It's the same way if you're an athlete, you eat whatever you want, you work out. Now all of a sudden, you're not an athlete, and you still eat whatever you want. Now all of a sudden, DBs look like D lineman. That's what happens with money.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, Unc, think about what you just said. Hey, Joe, think about what you just said, right? Think about what Unc just said real quick. Right? Is you live in a lifestyle when the money's coming in fast, Right. You become accustomed to that lifestyle. That lifestyle actually becomes your image and, and it becomes an identity.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So once you stop playing the transition, to be able to stop and have the discipline, to be able to cut it off, to become a. A minimalist almost. In a sense, it's almost impossible. It's hard because you always want to maintain that lifestyle and that image because what's the first thing everybody that you're trying to goddamn impress don't say, oh, he ain't got it no more.

[Joe]

Oh, hey, the first time. Ocho, you ain't got a new car, man. Hey, he must be doing bad, right? Got bad. You know, you should see him with a new whip every other year.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. And Unc, one thing about it, boy, I learned early. I learned early. I did not want to try to keep up with the Joneses. I did not want to keep. Hey, Joe. And I, I. And Joe. I did it when I was making the bulk of my money. Joe. Joe. I came in the NFL already cheap as hell. I didn't care about people making fun of me. I didn't care about certain types of women not wanting to date me because they know. Yeah, he ain't gonna. He ain't paying nothing. He not. You know, you ain't getting nothing. That's. That's okay, because I understand. I understand. Dealing with you is nothing but a liability anyway.

[Joe]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, I got the table, and the legs you got ain't gonna hold it up.

[Joe]

Hello?

[Tyrod Taylor]

Hello?

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, so. So you understand that you play the game, Joe. It's all a game. And the better you learn to play the game, the longer you will be able to be without. It's okay. But so many of us. So many of us are so caught up in looking like we got it. Like, I don't. Everybody want to be rich. Everybody want to look like they. Like. Like. No, that's not reality. Social media has us fooled. It has all of us food.

[Joe]

They ain't got me food.

They got me food. Because I know damn well I do okay? And I ain't living like that. No, I ain't got it like that. Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know what's scary, Joe?

[Joe]

Joe?

[Tyrod Taylor]

This.

[Uncle Ocho]

This is scary part. And this is. This is for men and women when it comes to the people that try to maintain that lifestyle. And, you know, they don't make the kind of money to continue that lifestyle, especially if you don't play sports.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

If you don't play sports and you and all this flashy, that means you're willing to do anything, anything to maintain that image. Well, that in itself is dangerous, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah. If you leave the sport and you get you a gig and you making money like Stephen A. You making money like Strahan, you making money like Tony Romo. You making money like Tom Brady. Yeah. Take off.

[Uncle Ocho]

Wait, hold on. Hold on. Now. What you're not gonna do is. I ain't gonna me. I don't mean to put the people in our business, but if you're making money like Uncle Nocho.

Girl, you. Hey, listen. Hey, boy.

[Joe]

Hey, un. No money like that, huh? Unc don't set everybody up. Everybody good. Mom good. Sister good. Everybody good.

[Uncle Ocho]

Listen, listen. I'm. I'm going say this one more time. I. I see them numbers at the end of each month. Yeah.

[Joe]

Just.

[Uncle Ocho]

Just add us to that goddamn equation. I'mma tell you what my grandma always told me, huh? Speaking. Hey. Speaking into existence.

[Joe]

Hello.

Yeah, we do okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, when you say okay, add three more wise to it. Okay.

[Joe]

I saw, I saw a guy today. I saw. I read a quote. Yes, sir. The guy was. He was basically saying. He says, as you become more famous and you become more well off, relationships become more transactional.

Understand that? Understand that. I'm learning that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Do me a favor. Do me a favor just in case the chat didn't hit you, because I got one for you. Say it one more time. Say it. Make sure the chat.

[Joe]

The more famous you become and the more well off you become, the relationships become more transactional. Y' all know what transactional is? Yes, I agree. I hear.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, let me, Let me get, Let me get. Let me dive a little deeper for you real quick, Uncle Joe. Even if you're not wealthy, even if you're not making millions, even you're making a hundred thousands, or even if you're a thousandaire, you know, you know, you get paid every two weeks. The individual that you're dealing with is still dealing with you based on the ability for you to provide and give them stability in a sense of peace. Always. Always. So it still aligns those, Those same, that same quote and analogy that Unk used is still aligns regardless of how much you make based on your partner. Ask your partner and tell her to be truthful if you lost the opportunity to provide, if she'll still be there. Ask your partner if you being able to make things convenient and the opportunity, dealing with you didn't present it. This didn't present itself in, in a good manner if she would still be there and tell her to be honest with you.

And, and you know, a lot of women will say, oh, I don't deal with nobody for no money. It ain't. It ain't about that. Come on now, let's stop.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

And the funny thing about it is you're always paying for who you're dealing with. And the only thing. This is the only thing. Chad, I want you to do me a small favor.

Go to my Twitter and read my bio. Now, there's a joke at the beginning, but I tell the truth towards the end. And I'm going to just leave that. Just go to my Twitter and read my bio. And the truth is sitting right there. No matter what they try to tell you, that's what it all comes down to, no matter what they say.

[Joe]

Yeah, but I just think the thing is, look, 100 million dollar contract, I think everybody understands 100 million. Nobody's getting all 100 million of that. You've got to pay, you got to pay federal income tax. I don't give a damn what state you live in, you've got to pay federal income tax and you have something called a jock tax. If you're a professional athlete and you go to certain states, you got to pay for the money that you earn there. If you go to certain states and you work, you have to pay money that you earn in that state. So I think everybody is. Nobody is under the assumption anymore that when they see 100 million, somebody actually got 100 million. But to get 60, to get. Basically, if you, like I said, you live in a tax free state and you only got to pay 30. 30. Let's just say on the high end, you're paying 37% federal income tax. That means of a million dollars. You get 637,000, you get 630,000.

So if you bring home, if you got 60 million, liquid, theoretically, Ocho, you put, you put that in a thing, a fund. You put that in a fund, you're gonna get 5 to 8%. There'll be some years, you get 10, 12%. Yeah. So even if you're just getting 5% on 60 million, that's $3 million a year, man. If you can't live off $3 million a year, you got issues.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like Jay Z is somebody that got full time security and they got all these chefs and they got all these people. Obviously it requires more than that. But I'm saying for the average person. Yeah, like myself, Joe, You.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, man, if you can't live up.

[Uncle Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I'm not average. I'm extraordinary. But I'm saying I'm cheap as hell. No, I'm the bush and I'm the bull.

[Joe]

But I'm saying people like us, because the average person is not gonna be in a situation to make that kind of money. Right. I'm not talking about. Yeah, I'm talking about. Look, if you got, if you make, if you make a million dollars a year.

Unless you got extraordinary expenses, that ship, you should be good.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Joe]

Get you a nice little. Get you a nice little house payment, say, you know, five. Somewhere between five and 7,500amonth. Yeah. Get you a nice car, you and your wife get a nice car. She got one, you got one kid, probably. If you make that kind of money, Ocho, it's hard. You're gonna probably be sending your kids to private school. It is. It just is what it is. There are very few people that make a million dollars a year. And the kids go to public school. I'm just. I'm just being honest with you. Now. I know everybody say I send my kids. It's easy for you to say that when you're not in that situation, but most people that make that kind of money, their kids go to private school.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And what we were trying to do, we didn't say it was. We were just trying to say how people go belly up. Yeah. Because when you have kids, multiple kids, and you live in certain states and you pay 5, 10, 15, $20,000 per child, you got three kids. If you got. If you paying that kind of money for the kids, guess what else you paying for private school? Private schools cost you somewhere between 10 and 30, 000 a year. So now compound that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So you paying a hundred thousand a year? Oh, a hundred thou? Yeah. No, you paying a hundred thousand? Yeah. So if you pay 20, 20, 20, that's 60,000amonth times 18 years. A plus. Another plus. Let's just say, oh, children. You got three kids and they go to private school, and that's another 20,000. So that's another 60,000 a year times 18. Well, they're not gonna stay the same because private schools go up every year, so it might start out at 20. And by the time they get to be seniors, that's probably 30, 35. So we're just trying to explain to people how it happens is that that's why they say, hey, get you one? If I could do it over again, I'd have all my kids from one. I'd get married, save myself a lot of money, like a lot of attorney fees also.

[Uncle Ocho]

See, See, that's right. See, that's why I'm thankful. Hey, Joe. Sometimes I gotta get up. See, that's what I'm do. Just this conversation in general. I'm. I'm gonna get on my knees after the show and I'm gonna thank God. I'm gonna thank God because Unc just ran off them goddamn numbers, right? And that's just. And you think, Joe, I got eight, Joe. I got eight, Joe. And I ain't listening. Hey, hold on. Listen to me. This, this. Let me tell you what, Joe. Let me tell you what, I'm grateful, though, Joe. Unc just ran off them numbers, right? Boy, I ain't never seen and never had to do nothing like that, Joe, you know, no private school.

[Joe]

None of your kids went to private school. None of that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, nah, nah, nah, Joe, Joe, my kids need it.

[Joe]

It's a different time now, though, Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Different time.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Even. Even. Even. Even now, Ocho, what you was paying, you'd probably have to double that even. Just because the cost of living is higher. You're talking about. You're talking about 15, 18, 20 years ago. So you know what the cost is right now.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So obviously the cost of living is going up. So is the cost of raising a child has gone.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Some of them numbers was ripping off too. You know them people, them. The type of people, you know, having kids by certain people. It ain't really about the child in the first place.

[Joe]

That's what.

[Uncle Ocho]

Come on now. Come on now.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Can you add. Can you imagine having to pay for a child 50,000amonth? A hundred thousand a month.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Two years old. What the hell?

[Joe]

What we doing, huh?

Boy, the fact that they grant that to some people. Oh yeah, absolutely. Because.

It'S mind boggling. I'm like, man, how. How somebody need 30, 40, 50k a month for a child, bro? I know a guy that was paying in the early 2000s playing 14,000amonth. I know. Yeah. I know a few cats who paying more than that. 000amonth.

I know, dude. Playing 17, 000amonth. 22, 000amonth. I'm like, man, 168, 000 a year is. Is where you file it too though. You know where they had them kids at. Now there are some states that the mat is capped. You could only get X amount. You might only get 3, 500, you only get 5. Right, right. And then some states, they base it on how much the father makes.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But I'm saying. And they make you responsible for the private tuition because they say if the child is. The child should be afforded a life. That if the child was with you that the child wouldn't enjoy without you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Yeah. Now I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you now. See, y' all can talk about a whole lot. Don't know what he talking about. Yeah. Bull jive.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm with you when you're right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, boy, that's a.

I'm glad. I'm glad. Boy, those I had kids from. Boy, they wasn't like that, man.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe, I'm. Joe. I'm getting on my knee because I just, just, just. It make me cringe hearing the numbers.

[Joe]

And then.

[Uncle Ocho]

And also I'm. I'm present, Joe.

[Joe]

And that's my thing, Uncle Ocho. It's like these numbers. I'm telling y'.

[Uncle Ocho]

All.

[Joe]

I done heard about cats paying. And man, they, they almost got custody of their kids and they still paying. Absolutely, absolutely. You get the kids during the summer, you get the kids for one to two months. Guess what? You still gotta send that same money. Hello.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Hello.

[Joe]

I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business? My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah. So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things. To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.

[Julian Edelman]

Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder? With a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other, One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you are drowning in software. Instead of growing your business business, this is where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that handles everything. CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, HR and more. No more app overload, no more juggling logins. Just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part, Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business whether you are just starting out or already scaling up. Plus, it's easy to use, customizable and designed to streamline every process so you can focus on what really matters running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for [e-mail] that's o d o o dot com.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Stay cozy, stay home and save big online during Lowe's December deal drops because honestly, why go anywhere when the deals come to you? Check this out. Lowe's is going to give you two free select tools from DeWalt, Craftsman or Cobalt. When you buy a select battery or combo kit. Yep. Two tools free. It's basically a holiday miracle. Plus rewards members get free standard shipping all month long. Yet another reason not to leave your couch. Kick back, click around, let the savings roll in. Shop new December deal drops on lowe's.com every week. This month, fresh deals, cozy vibes, zero effort. This is Mandy Woodruff Santos from Brown Ambition. Hey ba fam. When you start a new business, your first reaction might be to say something like yes, queen, let's go. But one thing to say that could be a huge help is like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. And just like that, State Farm will be there with the coverage that fits your needs whether your business is growing or just opened its doors. State Farm agents are small business owners too. So they know what it takes. They can help you create an insurance plan that fits your small business needs and budget. And when you need help, State Farm is there to answer your small business questions or help you file a claim and get you back in business. With State Farm, you can worry less about the unexpected and focus more on your business. With a State Farm agent, you know someone is helping you achieve your goals. Just say, like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Breaking news everybody. Not everything is terrible. I repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect with Jenna Kim Jones is proof that the Internet, it hasn't ruined humanity entirely.

[Joe]

Clean the world. We have almost 10,000 hotels that operate our soap and plastic recycling program and we have created and distributed 90 million free bars of soap to children, families, mothers in 127 countries across the globe.

[Sophie Cunningham]

It's like magic you guys. So put down your doom scroller and pick up your faith in humanity and join me, Jenna for the ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. You really can.

[Joe]

Best stat of all is that the death rate to children under the age of five dying to hygiene related illnesses has decreased by more than 60% since the day we started.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Listen to the ripple effect with Jenna Kim Jones on the iHeartRadio I app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe]

Oh, we got to come back to this. We got to welcome the game. He led a game winning Drive. He was 19 of 33172 yards of touchdown in a 27:24. In the 27:24 victory over the Falcons added another 44 yards on the ground and a score. Here he is, Ty, the best dressed man in the NFL. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Tyrod Taylor. T.T. what's going on?

[Uncle Ocho]

Are you muted?

[Tyrod Taylor]

What's Happening. What's happening?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, what's up? What.

[Joe]

We good, man. How you do? Congratulations on the big time. I appreciate it, bro. Tell us what happened. Okay, you back to pass. They got you. They grabbed you by the sleeve. You know, you can't wear no. No loose sleeves like that. They got.

[Tyrod Taylor]

It's cold out there, man.

[Joe]

Hey, you like. Hey, I'mma come up out this sleeve. Hey, you can have the sleeve, but I'm gone.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Facts, facts. Nah, it was. It was a crazy play. Leonard Floyd, obviously, great reach, but, yeah, just try to make a play. Obviously can't take a sack on the naked. He did a great job of re. Re redirecting and getting his hand on me, but at the same time, I can't go down, so get out of there. I took a shot on that play, but definitely couldn't take the sack. Get the ball out my ass.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, most definitely. What is that feeling like, T, man? Obviously things haven't been going that well for the Jets. You get opportunity to be at the helm, to be that leader, to be that quarterback of that group. Despite things going well, everyone talking trash on the outside, what does it feel like to get a win like that today?

[Tyrod Taylor]

It felt amazing. One thing I'll say about our team, all season, we've kind of ignored the outside noise and we haven't blinked. We've been in just about every game that we played, but we just haven't consistently put something together in all three phases. And I think today we was able to do that. So definitely proud of the locker room, the guys. We've been through a ton, whether it's been injuries, trades here and there on the wrong sides of certain games, but, yeah, nobody blinked. And it was good to see the outcome the way it did. Nick Faulk had a great field goal at the end to seal the deal, and it just was a great feeling overall.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Tyrod, how did look? You came in. Obviously they brought Justin Fields in to be a starter, to be the starter, and you've been a backup since you basically. I mean, you had enough. You did a great job in Buffalo. People don't realize before Josh Allen, you was the last team to take. You were the last quarterback to take Buffalo to the playoffs. You get to. You get to the Chargers. You about to start. You have a rib injury in preseason, you're gonna get an injection. It go a little. They. They went a little bit too far in and you get approach to the lung. And then you just like, man, am I ever gonna get an opportunity to start again? And you get your opportunity. But you know, you came there kind of to mentor Justin Fields. And if your number is called, be ready. Is that difficult understanding that this young man, like, damn, he just can't seem to catch a break, but I still got to do my damn job.

[Tyrod Taylor]

It's definitely tough. But at the same time, I think that's just part of being a pro. I tell guys all the time, I was fortunate when I got drafted to Baltimore to walk into a locker room with so many veteran guys. You had Anquan, you had Ed Reed, you had Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, even Joe was, I mean, a few years in at the time. And those guys took me under their wings and just told me how to be a pro, how to attack the day each and every day. And I think that that ultimately rubbed off on me into how I approach my day to day. And 15 years later, being able to walk into a building, like you say, on one hand, mentoring and teaching the guys, but at the same time being mentally and physically prepared to go out and lead if called upon.

[Joe]

Damn, Tyrod, I didn't realize it's been 15. Say you got you. Tyrod said, I'm gonna get 20. What the hell? What the helly? I mean, have you set a goal? Have you set. Is there a set number? Years or you just want to. Cause it's not like you got a whole lot of rare and.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Yeah, true that. I never said years. I always said as long as I'm enjoying the game, I'm not playing through anything, like through an injury. I enjoy the preparation of a season. Yeah, it's still fun. It's still like I'm begging my mama to take me out to the practice field when I was five years old. So yeah, I never said a year on it.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's dope. And you know what I wanted to ask, you know, I want to go inside the locker room a little bit and, and, and, and talk about the team, the morale and, and what Aaron Glenn has been able to tell his players. You know, when things aren't going well, you know, you losing back to back games, most of the games being close games where you guys could have won but weren't able to put up enough and do enough, you know, consistently offensively. How did he get the players not to, how did he not lose the locker room? Because most of the time I've been, you know, on many, many, you know, losing seasons, you know, during my team.

[Joe]

He played in Cincinnati. Tyrod, you understand?

[Uncle Ocho]

Don't do that.

[Joe]

My bad, my bad.

[Uncle Ocho]

I just want to know what did Aaron say to make sure he didn't lose the locker room and have players giving up out there?

[Tyrod Taylor]

The main thing is just keeping our standard and our brand of football the same. Obviously this is a results business game and you want to win weekend and week out, but when you're shifting the culture and the guys are so young in the locker room, it's about creating a standard first and that's about how you practice and learning how to win. A lot of teams in this league don't know how to. How to win and I would say Coach Clinton's done a great job over the course of this year of just keeping the main thing. The main thing not necessarily being results based, but coming in and. And asking a certain standard us day in and day out. And guys have responded well. We got a lot of respect for coach Glenn and he's a great leader for us.

[Joe]

Tyrod, look, the last game you play, I think it was a Thursday night game and Mitch had some tough drops. He had a couple of plays that he could have made that might have. And AG spoke about it after the game, but you didn't seem to have a problem today because he made a big catch, like a 50 something yarder touchdown. He split the seam and you felt very comfortable. What did you tell him? Because he had to be down on himself because he had kind of fell out of favor and the Colts and he was a part of the package that sent sauce to Indy. He came over to you guys. What did you say? Like to keep his spirits up, to have him to come out and have a game like you did.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Yeah. Andy is a guy that, he knows the type of talent that he has and he wants to get it right. I mean, he's at the facility till 8 o' clock on the jugs catching off the wall. He's always working on his craft. So when you see a guy that put that type of work in, he's intentional about the things he does. And I mean, everyone has a bad game or off game here and there, but that kid is special and looking forward to him being a big part of this offense moving forward.

[Joe]

You guys are three and nine.

I don't know if there's a chance that you can sneak into the playoffs, but how do you. But how do you stay so positive? Tyrod? Because you can't. You keep mentioning being professional. The process. The process. The standard is the standard. And there's an expectation that as a professional you must be a pro professional. You're an NFL Player, a pro is how you go about doing your business on a daily basis, even when things aren't going.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Yeah. The main thing for us is just stand, like I said, sticking to our process day to day. Taking it one game at a time at 3 and 9, not necessarily looking at what the rest of the season look like. Focus on going out and having a great Wednesday this week and being 10 this week. Not trying to get five in a row. It start with one game. You can't get five in a row without starting with the first game. So for us, it's about ignoring the noise, and I think we have a good locker room and the type of guys that can do so. And I mean, at the end of the season, look up and see what we've done.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I like it.

[Joe]

I didn't think it was.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, they got the Dolphins coming up, you know. Got the Dolphins coming up.

[Joe]

Yeah. Tyrone said, we got them. We end up. We gotta start. He said, you can't get the five in a row until we got the first one. So now we got to get the two in a row. So we get the two in a row, we go, hey, we see. What is that game they play out.

[Uncle Ocho]

There in New York or New Jersey? One of them.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. You know, dolphins don't like cold water. They don't like the cold. They don't like the cold.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hold on. They like cold water. They don't like cold weather.

[Joe]

Hey, ain't no dolphins in no cold. No cold weather. Because the cold weather. The water's cold, okay? They're mammals. Last I checked, they ain't got no fur and.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ain't got no fur, but they always in cold water.

[Joe]

No, they not.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, okay. We'll talk about that later.

[Joe]

Tyrod, thanks for joining. Congratulations on a great win, man. Great game. Winning drive to get to get that dub. Jazz moved to 3 and 9 thanks to a 2724 victory over the Atlanta Falcons. Man, congratulations. Hey, get your boy a ticket to the. The Met Gala. Put a word in for. Just put a word in for me. That's all. Just put a word.

[Uncle Ocho]

So how you gonna ask him for a ticket to the Met gallon? We could.

[Joe]

We.

[Uncle Ocho]

We supposed to be a team.

[Joe]

What? What? What? Once they say, get me to call, I would say, could I get a plus one?

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, you supposed to say that off jump, man. Hey, get one for me and me.

[Joe]

And my boy Ocho. I can't. See if I said both of us, you gonna want to bring somebody and I gotta bring you. So that's you my plus.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't gonna bring nobody. You're not even.

[Joe]

That's why I'm saying you my plus one.

[Uncle Ocho]

Cause I'm not even in the fashion like me and me and me and all tired. You're not even in the fashion like that.

[Joe]

You give me my 5,900, I would be. I. Give me some chrome hard something. Hey, hey, Ty, what can I get for 5,900 from Chromehorn?

[Tyrod Taylor]

Nothing about a pair of socks.

[Joe]

Yeah.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, you right. I ain't in the fashion like that. And that's all I could get. I ain't in the fashion. Tyrod. Congratulations, man. Get some rest. Good luck the rest of the season. Stay healthy and we'll talk.

Jerry. Judy didn't exactly calm things down over this week when it asked by the media about the Shador sideline exchange. In fact, Cleveland is up in arms over him saying it's the media's fault. He's picking fights with reporters and his own Browns teammates. Let's take a listen, Ocho, to what he had to say.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Probably taught him off camera.

[Uncle Ocho]

You feel me?

[Tyrod Taylor]

That's probably what I would have done different, you know, of course I'm gonna speak mind and tell me what. And say what I need what I see out there.

[Uncle Ocho]

But, you know, you know, it what.

[Tyrod Taylor]

It is football, man. Just me and Shadow are good. You know, stuff like that happens, you know, y' all gonna make it bigger than what it is, you know?

[Uncle Ocho]

Cause the media, you know, that what.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Y' all feed off of negativity, you.

[Joe]

Know, but it is what it is.

[Uncle Ocho]

This is the life we live.

[Joe]

So, you know, we move on from it.

[Uncle Ocho]

And I live a real life, you know, so what happened around in this.

[Joe]

Locker room, you know, this real.

[Tyrod Taylor]

Not what's going on on social media and everything. So me and Shador, good. Everything good.

[Joe]

Man, we gravy over here.

[Uncle Ocho]

Everything is magnified. Everything is magnified. Especially when you're losing, obviously, all the turmoil, all the questions, all the.

[Joe]

All the Nordic, because everything was magnified. Was it magnified? Because. What about the Eagles?

[Uncle Ocho]

Their situation is magnified because even though they were winning during that time, he had issues. You had certain people, individuals coming out, you know, having their displeasures, you know, posting stuff on social media. So it created. It created a firestorm. So it gave the media something to talk about. Over there.

[Joe]

Over there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Excuse me. Over there in Cleveland, obviously, the interaction between Judy, the animated interaction between Judy and goddamn Sanders on the sideline is something not, not, not new. Not New, but it's new. It's new to them. It's new to them. Two players are not on the same page. And that way of communicating. It wasn't the right way to communicate. It wasn't the right way. Now, if they were winning, if they were winning, and they were. They were. They were playing well all season long, oh, it wouldn't be no problems. Something that they just sweep right up under the rug. But listen, Shadora, second start. Two of them, they going at. On the sideline. Oh, we got a motherfucking story now.

Yeah, talk to me, baby.

[Joe]

Why we. Why he got to be the media? The media job is to report. Absolutely. You got these. You got these. Demonstrate demonstrative antics. What do you think they think? And I told you, it could have been nothing, Ocho. But when you get animated like this and all Shador was sitting down, and then all of a sudden, Shador stands up and said, what do you think?

[Uncle Ocho]

Absolutely. Hey, can I tell you something?

[Joe]

Just say, look, guys. Yeah. We could have had. I could have handled that situation better. I'm the vet in this situation. I should have handled that situation a lot better than what I did. I saw something one way, he saw it another way. Whatever differences we had that could have been resolved behind closed doors, I was always conscious of that, Ocho. Cause I know, you know, I'm demonstrative. Cause I already know. So now you start yelling, I start yelling, you say something. And the one thing I don't ever want to go across a bridge that I can't go back across. You say something in the heat of the moment.

You know, drunk kids and angry people will tell you how they truly feel about you. So you have to be careful when you're angry about what you say. So I was always conscious of that. If I had something to say to the quarterback, be it John, be it Greece, be it Tony Banks, Trent, Jake Plummer. I always like, man, bro, this is what I was thinking.

And so forth and so on. But by the same token, I expected them to, you know, to give me that kind of grace also, because I promise you, you show me up, you not gonna like my right.

Cause if you bring it to me, I gotta give it back to you. Plus tipping and handling, because I gotta make sure you get it. Because I don't want to. I don't want anybody to say, well, I didn't get what you was. Yeah, you got this here. So that's why I was always conscious knowing the camera was around even not as many cameras as they have Now, Ocho, but I understood people in the stands, you getting animated. They get animated, ain't nothing gonna happen.

[Uncle Ocho]

I told you, it happened to me one time. Yeah, just like that. But mine was, mine was in the field of play. Oh, we Monday Night Football. We playing, we playing the Steelers. I'm already frustrated because they're not able to get me the ball. Everything they doing ike, right in front of me, safety over top. So you already know I'm frustrated. So the ball, when I do get the balls, I mean, the balls that do come to me, it's gonna be very few. And the one boy, I'm open. I beat the double team. The ball is not supposed to come to me. I told Carson on this, just give me a shot. I'm finna work these boys. And unk. He overthrew. He overshot it a little bit. And lo and behold, you know the camera already on me, man. You know, I already keep one chin strap already unbuckled, man. I snapped the other one. I'm mad. Going back to the huddle. Carson met, Carson met me halfway before you got up and get off the field. If you ever.

Show me up like that again, I won't throw you another ball the rest of the game, just like that. Not playing no games. Why I ain't say nothing the rest of the game. I ain't say none of the rest game because I understood who had the control and being able to get that ball to me. Yeah, but one time, it took me one time. Never, never had an issue again.

[Joe]

Because I know how I am, Ocho. I, I, look, I understand his job isn't easy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Not, it's not.

[Joe]

But I'm like, man, I, I wanted to say some stuff.

But, nah, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna show him up. Because you know what happens? You show the guy up, he throw it to you, you drop the ball go through your hands, then it get picked. Now everybody looking at you sideways, you say you wanted it, he threw it to you, you threw it back at him, or you let, hey, you gave it to the other guy.

I was always mindful of that, Ocho. I, I, I really am. And even in, I remember in college, I used to, like, just throw it, just throw it out there.

And I'm just like, coach Dave would grab me and say, son, I said, coach, we go over this every day in practice. They can't guard me. That's all I'm saying, coach, just give me a chance. Just put it up.

But.

I just like, like I said, it's not like, look, look, everybody is not as versed as dealing with the media because you understand Ocho.

It'S, it's.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's a skill to that.

[Joe]

It is Ocho. I was very, very fortunate because I remember in college, I'm standing in front of the mirror, I'm talking to myself. They asked me a question, I had a good game. This is how I'm going to respond. This is if I had a bad game, I had a couple of drops, I missed some assignments. I was going, this is how I'm going to do it. So by the time I got there, like, okay.

You know, I'm looking at other guys. I see Steve Atwater, how he talk. I see Dennis Smith, how he talks. I hang around a little while and watch Elway, see how he talked to the media. I'm like, okay, okay. A little bit of okay. Try to stay level. Try to stay, you know, even Keel.

Not get. Not get, you know, too disappointed. You know, Obviously, yeah, sometimes I'm not gonna have a. I'm not gonna have a game. I'm gonna have a drop or two in a. In a tough spot. But just trying to just like, just to be level, just to be understanding. They got a job to do. I understand. We all have jobs to do. Even though I didn't do my job to the best of my ability, that doesn't excuse me from not helping you do your job. I always understood that Ocho and I tried to be professional, always tried to be professional.

In that aspect of it. But it's not easy when you're not playing well.

And people like, well, the guy might have played better if such and such would have played better.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It's just. But social media is hard now, Ocho, it had been, you know, I don't know what. I've had fun with social media.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I probably would have took some shots at some guys I'm playing against. Absolutely. Because that's just my nature. I couldn't help it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Let me see. You know what's funny is I didn't. I need. I didn't need social media. I.

[Joe]

You.

[Uncle Ocho]

I use the media to take my shots. But you have to understand, see, you. You and I were a little different. So my comparison, as far as taking shots, I would use a comparison with me and Steve Smith Sr. Steve Smith Sr. He taking shots. And he meant that. Like, he meant every word he said. If he's talking about somebody now, my taking shots, for sure. Taking shots and sending gifts to the secondary as a whole, you already know it's entertainment. You already know it's entertainment is. Is more of an invitation as to the competition in making sure. Boy, you better be on your. On your P's and Q's come Sunday.

[Joe]

Better be on your best behavior because I.

[Uncle Ocho]

Listen, I didn't already gave you bulletin board material. Now it's up for you to be able to stop it.

That's all. I mean, but. Oh, man. Well, if I could. If I could do it again, I do it the same way and add some more to it. Boy. Hey, I done came up with some great ideas watching today's game that I wish I was still playing. I can go back and implement it then.

[Joe]

Yeah. Bass Mini. Bad Spitty. Bad Spitty. I've been watching because I was. I played a couple years. Like I said, my, my last year in Baltimore, I went to the Pro bowl, which was his first year, which was 2001. Smitty first year was 2001. He was at the Pro Bowl. He was at the Pro bowl as a return of that year. So that was my really first introduction to him. And you know, he was always, he was always, he was all. He's been always cool to me. He's always been respectful. He's always been great. But man, just watching him play, he angry.

[Uncle Ocho]

Play like he's 6 5.

[Joe]

He, he, he is. He's literally angry. Now. He'll catch a touchdown. And if it means that after I catch this touchdown and celebrate, I gotta whip your ass in the corner of the end zone. I'll do that too.

If I got, if I gotta fight you in the middle of the feet. Hey, man, no, he bought it.

[Uncle Ocho]

You have to understand. Hey, Chad, I don't, I don't know if y' all know. Does the chat know that Steve and I played at Santa Monica Junior College in la? We played on the same team. So what the people with the world saw once he got to the NFL, hell, I saw that in 1997 and 1998 in LA. He was the exact same way.

[Joe]

He was a.

[Uncle Ocho]

He was a pit bull. He was angry. Nobody might not have pissed him off, but his style of play, it was like somebody did something wrong to him. Like somebody pissed him off.

[Joe]

Yeah. And he said, you know, he had. He's dealing with some issues and, you know, he's gotten counseling and he got counseling, got better, but he's a lot better now, man. Smitty used to be like, I like Smitty.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

All the time. All the time. You on 12.

[Uncle Ocho]

He fighting. Hey, listen, he whooping teammates. He whipping his teammates. He whipping the other team. You know it'll matter who it is.

[Joe]

Yeah, he like sharp man. Don't play with me. Hey, when he say don't play with him and leave that alone, he mean that. Now don't let that size fool you. Everybody be talking. They talk reckless. Now. He's still. Hey, he's still on that type of time now.

[Uncle Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

He's still on that type of time.

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What a matchup we got, y'. All. This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beat, everybody showing that school pride game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold, cold Coca Cola. Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.

Yeah, that taste always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and an.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ice cold Coca Cola. That's a winning combo no matter the.

[Joe]

Sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

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[Joe]

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