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Narrator
Not all group chats are the same, just like not all Adams are the same. Adam Brody, for instance, uses WhatsApp to pin messages, send events and settle debates using polls with his friends all in one group chat.
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Joe
Makes our guys night easier.
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Narrator
But Adam Scott group messages with an app that isn't WhatsApp. Which means he still can't find that text from his friends about where to meet.
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Ocho
Hang on, still scrolling.
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Joe
No, the address is here somewhere.
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Narrator
It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone.
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Joe
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Ocho
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Joe
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Ocho
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Ocho
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Ocho
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Isaiah Likely
What it is, y'.
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Ocho
All. What's happening?
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Joe
What's up? What's up?
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Isaiah Likely
Hey, call it, man. Just chilling, man.
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Ocho
Y' all went down. Y' all went down and took care of business like you guys were supposed to. You beat the Bears with. With Hunt, and then you. You get Lamar comes back for the Dolphins. And this is how. I'm thinking. This is what you thought you guys were going to look like when you came into the season. Not. Not the previous six games, but this is how we're supposed to play.
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Isaiah Likely
Nah, for sure. And I mean, I feel like that was just, you know, just everybody just getting a reset after the bye week. I mean, everybody knew, you know, back against the wall going into the bye week, what we put ourselves into. So coming out the bye week, we had just tell everybody, you know, it's a new season and let's just be who we are.
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Ocho
I want to list. I'm looking at you, and they're probably 25, 26, maybe even 27 other teams. You're going to get the Lionship. You're going to start. I ain't no 2 tight, ain't no 8, ain't no. This ain't no that. You're going to be catching 65, 70, 80 balls. You're going to be a big part of the offense. But for you and Mark Andrews, you guys split a lot, and a lot of times you guys do play a lot of double tight end sets. But how have you been able to say, you know what I'm going to sacrifice? This is where I am right now. This is the best situation that I'm in right now. Let me make the most. Most of it and not let your mind think, man, I see what laporte are doing, I see what Hawkinson doing, I see what the guys doing.
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Isaiah Likely
I can do that for sure. I mean, that's really just, you know, just always just remaining where your. Where your feet are and understand that, you know, God don't put you in no moment but where your feet are right now. And I feel like just, you know, the circumstance. I was, you know, just drafted where I was. No, I promised edc, you know, when he took me, like all the other 31 teams that passed up on me, they gonna regret playing me time in and time out, you know, and that was just, you know, the motto. I had my whole, you know, rookie contract and now just getting into, you know, the opportunity that I have now is just really just being that chess piece in the offense. Whether I'm out wide in the slot in the backfield on the line and being able to just run all the sets that we have out of the tight ends.
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Joe
Hey, that's dope. I mean, you, you guys, you know, you guys have a long way to climb yourselves out of a hole, but if you can do it, you guys have the offense to do it. Especially with, especially with Lamar Jackson coming, you know, coming back and you playing well, likely playing well. And a healthy Lamar gives you a chance to do the unthinkable, regardless of what your record may be. And I look at some of the games you have coming up, I mean, honestly, looking at it, you got a nice, you got a nice slate of games and you can win most of them. I think the most, maybe the most difficult game will probably be the Vikings. The Browns is winnable. The jets is winnable. Y' all probably gonna lose to the Bangles.
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Ocho
Guaranteed win.
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Joe
Y' all probably.
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Ocho
Hey, I put all my money.
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Isaiah Likely
I just want you at that one. All, all the rest of these ones you talk about. I just want you at that Cincinnati game. I want you there.
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Ocho
I want you there.
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Isaiah Likely
I want you to.
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Joe
Okay, hey, say less. I'm gonna come. I'm gonna come. But, but, but honestly, you know, when it outside of the division, you know, you guys could probably run the table, I think with the Viking being the most difficult game for you guys to play, you know, this upcoming Sunday. Outside of that. Listen, even as a Bengal fan, I, I know a great team when I see one. You know, I know you guys have had your woes and your struggles on defense, but your identity has always been your offense. And what Lamar Jackson is doing, what you're doing, what Mark Andrews is doing, the running game, Bateman Zay. So I mean, kudos you guys. And I wish you guys luck climbing out that hole, but I just know when it comes to November 22, it.
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Isaiah Likely
Ain'T I just want you there. I just want you there.
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Ocho
That's a Sunday night game. I don't know why they keep putting them. Sorry. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Joe
Slow down. You talk about sorry, sir. We had, we had a 80 year old quarterback come in and fill in for Joe Burrow and he throw for 700,000 yards a game. What you mean sorry?
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Ocho
And you still lose.
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Advertiser/Spokesperson
Losing.
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Joe
It's not about losing, it's about us.
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Ocho
It's about how he can't score.
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Joe
Listen, we want to win, but he gives us a chance to compete in these games and we're scoring enough points. It just. We got to get our defense to come around. That's the only problem, man.
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Ocho
Go ahead and ask the question, Joe. Right, right. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Likely. Hey, you know, we talk about the grind, bro. Probably what's the hardest part of being a pro that. That you didn't expect.
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Isaiah Likely
I really just say, you know, after you start making a couple plays, it's really just like, getting really, like, put into that limelight. Like, everybody understands, like, when you. Especially for me, coming from, like, a G5 school, where it's like, you know, you making plays and everything, you know, you kind of that guy on campus. But when you get into that big league, it's like, dang. And then when you start making plays at the big league, it's like, okay, you gotta watch what you say here, or you gotta take pictures everywhere. Here, here, here. People start knowing your name. People start knowing, like, who you are around. And then it's like, oh, yeah, you could. You could say, like, a little. Little teeny thing the wrong way, and everybody go and spin it. And like, you just, like, you want to say something to correct yourself, but it's like, damn, bro, I don't want to keep acting like I'm trying to egg on a situation I don't really care for. And I feel like that's, like, the biggest thing. Prices I got in the pros, where it's like, you gotta watch what. What you say or, like, what you do.
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Joe
A little.
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Isaiah Likely
A little extra, definitely.
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Ocho
It's a lot different nowadays than when I played in the NBA. Uncle Ocho played in the NFL because we ain't have all this.
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Isaiah Likely
Yeah.
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Ocho
You get it.
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Isaiah Likely
Y' all exposed.
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Ocho
Y' all are exposed to so much, bro. Like, you know, I can. I can understand how, you know, sometimes words may get twisted or, you know, it just. It's just the little things. Like, any little thing you do, they gonna scrutinize it. And that's just kind of the. The times we living in. Yeah. Like, man, having been a Raven, and they have that sign up, say, play like a Raven. You know, when you come in that building, there's an expectation. Expectation because of the greatness that has walked the halls of those of that building. You got an Ed Reed, you got a Ray Lewis, you got a Jo. You got a Suggs, you got an Ed Reed, you got Yandy. You got greatness that have played, permeated a lot of it's on the defensive side. You got J. Lou, basically, you got Jay Lou, Jamal Lewis. That was. And Jonathan Ogden. But, you know, when you come into that building, having talked to Oz, haven't talked to Eric of what they expect from you and what they expect once you get into that building. Talk a little bit about that. That when they drafted you and you get around and the players come back, the Ravens do a great job of bringing the old timer, those. Those players that played, that made that organization great. They do a great job of bringing them back, and the guys do a great job of communicating of like, hey, bro. Hey, we have expectations. Win. Play hard, play physical, play tough. Talk to us a little bit about.
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Isaiah Likely
That and you being for sure. And I feel like, you know, everybody in the league understands, like, when you play the Ravens, their mantra is play, like, riven. That's just because, you know, how physical, how disciplined, and how hard they gonna play. Snap in, snap out. But I feel like the first, like, really wake up I had was rookie minicamp my rookie year, where it was, like, we got in there, and it was already preaching play like a Raven. You. You run around. You. I say, like, rookie minicamp. You get so many plays at one time. You just try not to mess up. So you over here kind of like, right, trying to go 60, trying to see, like, on the other side, they running the right concept. Trying to see. And, like, the first thing that they told us was, like, if you wrong, fly around. And I was like, hey, whoa, hold up. Like, hold up. They were like, nah, wrong. We'll. We'll clean it up later. Play physical, play fast. And, like, we'll. We'll. We'll clean little details later. So I'll say, like, you know, just going into that mindset of. Understand that, like, now, like, when. When I'm in the building, you was expected to know your job, and you expected to win games. And when you're 111, I feel like that's just the biggest thing that they tell you while you run in the building is when you're 111. And that's everybody's mantra while you in the building, like, don't let your player make the play. Don't. Don't allow yourself to get stopped by the player in front of you.
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Ocho
Man, you have. I mean, look, Coastal Carolina. A lot of people don't know about the Chanticleers, but you had a Josh Norman with Coastal Carolina. Melissa.
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Isaiah Likely
Yeah, Carolina.
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Joe
Oh, hold on. Don't we. You know a fellow receiver that played with me in Cincinnati, Jerome Simpson. Yeah, Jerome Simpson.
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Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Isaiah Likely
That was when I did.
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Ocho
Yeah.
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Joe
My dog went. Dog went there. Yeah, man.
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Ocho
Y' all put some. Hey, Y' all put some.
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Isaiah Likely
We got Carolina.
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Ocho
What y' all got going on, man?
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Isaiah Likely
I'm trying to tell. Bro, when I tell you my junior year, 2020, Covid, that's probably, like, when we started, like, really, like, putting the world on notice that, like, a G5 team could really come up in here. Obviously, Cincinnati had made the playoffs, but, like, we was like, one of those teams that beat. We beat BYU that year. We had a good game at State. We beat at State that year. And, like, we, like, we started picking up games, picking up steam. I mean, we had a great quarterback in Grayson McCall. We had a great defense. We got about two other players in the league right now that's playing currently, C.J. brewer and Teron Jackson on teams. And I feel like, you know, just, you know, that mantra that we had, like, always understand that we gonna be the underdogs and what you gonna do about it? And from that aspect, it was just like, every game was gonna be, you know, a dog fight, and we wasn't expected to win a lot of games. So just going in there and showing the world that, like, you're gonna have to put us above somebody at some point. Right.
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Ocho
What's it like playing with Lamar? I haven't played with a great quarterback, a guy that's in the Pro Football hall of Fame. Do you ever just get in awe and just.
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Isaiah Likely
Hey, I'm not gonna lie. There's sometimes you like my coach and tell me on film, especially at, like, my rookie year, second year, where I was like, you don't really understand the scramble part. Like, the two play quarterbacks. Sometimes you'll get lost watching Lamar back there, you know, get out of sacks to get out of situations. And he yelling at you, like, trying to move you around because he's trying to make time.
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Ocho
Yeah.
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Isaiah Likely
I say, like, a big instance was the Cincinnati. Like my Cincinnati touchdown where he. Where he stiff arm Sam Hubbard like he had from a snap.
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Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
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Isaiah Likely
Like, a lot of people don't know. Like, he's the one yelling at me, pointing. Like, before he threw the touchdown, he like, yelling at me, trying to tell me, go to the other side. I'm just in the back of the end zone tired because we in tempo offense. I'm just in the back of the end zone, just throwing my hand up like, hey, bro, I don't feel like moving. Just throw it right here. And he like, screaming like, no, bro, Like, I did all this work.
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Ocho
You gonna move, bruh?
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Isaiah Likely
Like, move, go the other way.
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Joe
Yeah.
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Isaiah Likely
So like I said, like, that it's just like, you know it's crazy cause you'll see him do it in practice and you'll be like man, like ain't no way. Like he just gets out here on Sundays and do the same thing. But like at this point it's just like man he gonna do it so you might as well get open.
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Narrator
Not all group chats are the same, just like not all Adams are the same. Adam Brody, for instance, uses WhatsApp to pin messages, send events and settle debates using polls with his friends all in one group chat.
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Joe
Makes our guys night easier.
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Narrator
But Adam Scott group messages with an app that isn't WhatsApp, which means he still can't find that text from his friends about where to meet.
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Ocho
Hang on, still scrolling.
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Joe
No, the address is here somewhere.
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Narrator
It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone.
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Ocho
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Ocho
Yeah.
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Joe
Hey, the funny thing about it Il is, is being down here in Miami, you know, being able to watch Lamar Jackson back in the day and see what he's doing in the NFL and, and it to look exactly like it did in high school when he was, when he was at Boydton Beach, I used to go, I used to go watch him play all the time because, you know, you hear the names about the star players down here in high school, and the first thing you want to do is, man, let me go see what all this talk is about. And, bro, he was everything back then, and he's still everything. He was. He was advertised to be, you know, especially now. So to be able to see what he's doing right now, man, is. Is unbelievable. Is it? I mean, it's dope. It's dope. And again for you guys, you guys have a great chance. Y' all could. Y' all could have had one, get one. Y' all could have been. Y' all could have been a goddamn Jesse. If Lamar Jackson is coming back and he's healthy. Y' all got a goddamn chance. That's just how good he is. That's just how much of an impact player he is. So I'm excited for y'.
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Isaiah Likely
All.
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Joe
I don't want y' all to beat us. But outside of that, right?
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Ocho
We gonna beat y'.
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Isaiah Likely
All.
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Joe
We. You a Bronco. You. You are a Bronco.
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Ocho
First of all, you are. All I know is that I got. I'm a piece. I'm a piece of that first.
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Joe
Yeah. Hey, you heard what you said.
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Advertiser/Spokesperson
You.
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Joe
You are a piece. You were there for a small time. It was.
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Ocho
I was there for two years.
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Joe
That wasn't but a one night stand. Like, come on, man.
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Isaiah Likely
Also, I thought.
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Ocho
I thought, hold on. There was a lot made last week. All teams have gaming. All teams have ping pong pool tables. They play cars, they play madness, play cod. And all of a sudden you go to the game room, ain't ish up, ain't no pool table, ain't no ping pong table, ain't no video games. So you're like, man, where I gave that. Where that ping pong table? What a pool table? Who took that inch out of there? Oh, yeah, Good.
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Isaiah Likely
Now that's great. It's a crazy story. Because what's crazy is we all play like pig on a little basketball hoop before practice just to, like get. Yeah, just to get chemistry going. Just everybody get, you know, legs moving, everybody getting, talking around. And then like. Like. L. I'll say like, One thing about Ls, he don't shy away from nothing. So, like, he was like, hey, we lose this game, ain't nothing gonna be in here. I might turn the WI fi off. Like, the WI fi might be cut. You know, the iPad. You can use the iPad without the WI fi as long as you're in that building. So he was like, hey, I'm telling y'.
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Ocho
All.
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Isaiah Likely
So we had ended up, you know, falling short to kc sure enough, everything out of there. Ain't nothing in there. WI fi still on, though. But he was like, yeah, we came up in. And he's like, yeah, like, I wasn't playing. Ain't nothing in here. We're gonna start winning a couple. We're gonna win some games and I'll think about it. He didn't even say he's gonna get back. He said, I'll think about it. I'll let y' all know.
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Ocho
Damn.
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Isaiah Likely
That's the type of. Yeah.
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Ocho
So what. What hell you playing?
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Isaiah Likely
I'm trying to tell you what you excited about.
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Ocho
Nah, hell no, and. And L. Jack knows that the ultimate goal for y' all is to win a Super bowl, bro. Yeah, it's super bowl or bus, so he knows distractions need to be limited, so I. I commend him on that.
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Isaiah Likely
That was.
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Ocho
That was big time. Y' all gotta lock in.
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Joe
So.
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Ocho
Hey, look, y', all. Y'. All, if y' all lose a couple. Couple more games now, he probably. Y' all better get it.
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Joe
We ain't got.
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Isaiah Likely
We ain't got no more to give. We didn't. Hey, everybody got this. That's all we had to give.
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Ocho
Hey, Isaiah, tell us about the 17th annual Jimmy's famous Seafood Tots for Toys. Toys for Tot Gala.
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Isaiah Likely
Your host, you know, just to give that to the kids. I mean, it's always, you know, a blessing being in the position you are to, you know, have your younger kids look up to you like a superhero. I mean, I remember when I was younger, the ultimate goal was, you know, get to where. Where I am now. So, you know, seeing kids, you know, that might not have it, you know, might be looking forward to it next year, just being able to, you know, have. Be able to give it to them this year. Be able to look in their eyes, take pictures, sign autographs, be able to spend a little time with them, you know, just to make. They make their Christmas. Because I remember, you know, some. Some Christmases where you didn't get everything you wanted, but if I can give a kid, you know, something. You know, a smile or something. Oh, my God, There's a Ravens player. I mean, that's. That's just a blessing disguise, for real.
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Ocho
Oh, yeah. Everything you wanted. Hell, they're so crazy. Anything you wanted, man. Hey, look who took who. Talk about my Halloween party. Did y' all do a Halloween?
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Isaiah Likely
No.
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Ocho
Anymore.
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Isaiah Likely
What. What I record was what I wreck. It is. Oh, trying to tell you.
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Ocho
Ain't no fun.
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Isaiah Likely
I'm trying to tell you. Oh, we had. We had last year, though.
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Joe
Ain't nothing to celebrate over there.
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Ocho
So who host the Halloween party?
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Isaiah Likely
Lamar last year and who it was last year? I want to say. I want to say Bait. I want to say BAE and another vet, Jose. Last year, it was. It was lit, though. But this year, yeah, we have.
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Ocho
There wasn't even no after that.
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Isaiah Likely
Yeah, it wasn't even gonna talk about it this year.
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Ocho
And I left it. I left it to them, and they kept it going. And now y' all don't cut, man. Hey, look at, like.
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Isaiah Likely
You gotta get that thing.
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Ocho
Y' all gotta have. Y' all gotta get that thing crumpled.
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Joe
Hey, they need to worry about November 20th.
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Ocho
First of all, y' all already look here. Hey, hey, Lamar, tell your family don't even gotta make no turkey. Cause y' all playing the turkey on the 27th. All right, all right, everybody. Man, ain't nobody scared of y'.
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Isaiah Likely
All.
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Ocho
Ocho, man, what you talking about? He know that.
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Joe
Hey, Young, listen. Hey, Joe. Hey, listen. It's a pass happy league, right? Any team that's, that's putting up 500 points. 5, 500 yards a game offensively, there's a reason to be scared.
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Ocho
Chicago ran for two damn near 300 yards. Derrick Henry might set the NFL record. Lamar might have the most rushing yards by quarterback. They might run for 500 on y'.
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Isaiah Likely
All.
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Joe
Nah.
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Ocho
Likely gonna have three touchdowns. I guarantee. I got. If the rave. If the Ravens don't score at least 40 points on Y', all, I might come do. I might. I ain't no telling what I'm liable to do.
- [23:57]
Joe
You know, I. I tell you what. I tell you what. Make it light on yourself.
- [24:02]
Ocho
You ain't got no. I ain't. Hold up. Did we talk about betting our own money? Well, you owe Joe a hundred dollars. Owe me 5,900.
- [24:11]
Isaiah Likely
Hold on.
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Ocho
My 101 up to 2, man. I mean, we, we in a. We in. We in a whole new season. That. Man, that was last season, bro. Like we in a new season. It's interest on this, Ocho. It's interest, baby. That's that. Hey, that's how I feel. We're gonna get you. Like, we're gonna get you out of this one. What do you guys need to do? You know, hey, look, the regular season, get yourself back into playoff contention and the big win the division, that's fine and good. But you know how you guys measure when you got that guy that's a two time league mvp. When you got arguably one of the. One of the top three quarterbacks in the NFL currently playing, and you have what you have offensively with King. Henry got over 12, 000 yards rushing and he got over 100 touchdowns. You know, you measured by what you do in the postseason, what is it going to take for the Ravens to get to an another chance AFC championship and get to that Super Bowl? Because ultimately that's how Lamar is going to be measured. He's got all the individual. He's been voted player, the number one player by the players. He's been the All Pro, he's been an mvp. He has all the accolades. He know Ultimately, that's how he's going.
- [25:20]
Isaiah Likely
To be for sure. And I'll say the first thing that we all talk about is just stop being ourselves. I mean, that's just, you know, the one thing that I can say off the top of my head, that since I've been on the team, that's just what we've been doing. Now I say whether it's offense just turning the ball over, mental mistakes, mental errors, you know, just. Just stuff you can control and allow another team to just play their best game against our best game and see how that go, rather than us, you know, playing ourselves and playing the other team and then trying to make miracles happen. I feel like that's just, you know, been the mantra last couple of years where it's just like, I feel like if we play, you know, our style again, our style of game play, you know, mistake free football, and then just letting all of our talents, you know, offense and defense, shine, I feel like they ain't a team in the NFL that play with us. So it's just, you know, just always just harping on the little things and harping on. Just stop being ourselves in the post again.
- [26:15]
Ocho
Well, man, thanks for joining us tonight. Like, congratulations on everything. Continued success. Stay healthy. Yes, sir. I want you to stay on Raven, but, hey, going to get you about going because, you know, 100k season out there for the tight end. They catch you 89 and you like, shh.
- [26:32]
Isaiah Likely
We good though, man.
- [26:34]
Ocho
Continue success, man. Stay healthy, man. Hey, y' all win that. Hey, please, if y' all don't do that, y' all got them.
- [26:43]
Isaiah Likely
Come come to the game, too, if Ocho gonna be out there popping it. Come. Come out to the game, huh?
- [26:49]
Joe
Hey, it's in Cincinnati, right?
- [26:51]
Ocho
No, it's in Baltimore.
- [26:53]
Isaiah Likely
Nah, I think whatever game. Whatever game. Prime time. You and you in the bank, Ocho.
- [26:59]
Joe
All right, all right, I'll be there. Hey, give me a. Give me a sideline.
- [27:03]
Isaiah Likely
I want y. Yeah, I just.
- [27:06]
Joe
Hey, listen, I want to roam the sidelines at MT Bank. I used to own that stadium. Hey, I used to own that.
- [27:15]
Ocho
That was before. That was. That was. That was. That was after. That was after I left. Because they ain't run nothing. They run nothing but their mouths, like. Appreciate it, man. Congratulations on all the success. Stay healthy, man, and we'll see you down the road, all right? All right, man. Appreciate Isaiah likely joining.
- [27:34]
Narrator
Not all group chats are the same, just like not all Adams are the same. Adam Brody, for example, uses WhatsApp to plan his grandma's birthday using video calls, polls to choose a gift and HD photos to document a family moment to remember all in one group chat makes.
- [27:49]
Joe
Grandma's birthday her best one yet.
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Narrator
But Adam Scott grouped messages with an app that isn't WhatsApp and so the photo invite came through so blurry he never even knew about the party yet.
- [27:58]
Joe
Grandma still won't talk to me.
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- [28:59]
Ocho
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Martine Hackett
Hi, I'm Martine Hackett, host of Untold Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a production from Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenics. This season we're sharing powerful stories of resilience from people living with MG and cidp. Our hope is to inspire, educate and remind each other that even in the toughest moments, we're not alone. We'll hear from people like Corbin Whittington. After being diagnosed with both CIDP and dilated cardiomyopathy, he found incredible strength through community.
- [31:08]
Ocho
So when we talk community, we're talking about an entire ecosystem surrounding this condition, including, of course, the patients at the center and that are all trying to live life in the moment, live life for the future, but then also create a new future.
- [31:26]
Martine Hackett
Listen to Untold Life with a Severe Autoimmune condition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [31:39]
Ocho
Ojo the Eagles added another player to the defense ahead of the NFL trade deadlines, acquiring out the side linebacker Jalen Phillips from the Dolphins. Phillips. Excuse me. The Dolphins will receive a 2026 third round draft pick in the deal, while the Eagles hope to boost their struggling pass rush with the third trade in the last week. The Eagles also landed cornerbacks Michael Carter II and Jair Alexander in separate trades last week, looking to bolster a defense that's currently ranked 23rd in the NFL in defense and 24th in sacks. Ocho, what do you think this does for the Eagles?
- [32:16]
Joe
I mean, I think it can help. It can help, obviously, J. Alexander, if you can show flashes of what he used to be in the past once they implement them on that defense. Phillips coming in, adding a little bit pressure so the back end is not exposed. Keon Mitchell can probably could really much, so much really hold his own. But if they can get some pressure from Jalen Phillips and get Jalen Carter going, I think they gonna. I think they're gonna be okay offensively. We know what they can do offensively at some point, probably on the back half of the season, I think Saquon gonna go crazy, huh? I don't know why. I just. I just have a feeling they can't keep him bottled up all season long. They just can't. At some point things are gonna break. You just keep on chopping wood. Keep on chopping wood. And I think the success with the run game is gonna Open up the pass and the Eagle gonna be right back in the same place they was.
- [33:03]
Ocho
Last year, if I'm not mistaken. I think Jalen Phillips, I think he played under Fangio. Fangio used to be the dc so he's going to be very familiar with Vic and they. I think. And he had one of his best years under Fangio. But yeah, I. Look, the one thing we know about the Eagles, they're going to. Hey, they're trying to win them draft picks. They're fine and good, but we in 2025, what good is the 2026 draft pick gonna do to help me win?
- [33:34]
Joe
Nothing. Not this year. We want.
- [33:36]
Ocho
So I'm trying to win right now. So. Hey, do you think that means they're out of the trade? They're out of the Miles Garrett business?
- [33:43]
Joe
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Because there's no way you can get. You can't get. You can't get. Well, who they gonna let go? You're not letting Jaylen Carter go nowhere. Absolutely not.
- [33:52]
Ocho
Hey, I give you three first rounders and a. And a starter.
- [33:58]
Joe
No, it's not happening now.
- [33:59]
Ocho
I give you three first rounders. I give you three first. I give you two first rounders and I let one of them D linemen go.
- [34:06]
Joe
No.
- [34:06]
Isaiah Likely
Or.
- [34:06]
Ocho
I give you three first rounders and nobody.
- [34:10]
Joe
No, it's not happening still. It's not. It's not. It's not happening. They're just not giving. They're not letting a player of Miles Garrett caliber go under any.
- [34:20]
Isaiah Likely
Under any.
- [34:21]
Ocho
You're not winning with him. Ocho, you need to rebuild.
- [34:24]
Joe
Yeah, even if. Even. Even if you. Even if you need to rebuild, you just. You don't do. You don't. You just don't. It just. It makes no sense.
- [34:32]
Isaiah Likely
Even.
- [34:32]
Joe
Even if you're not winning with him. He is your. He is your defense. He is your identity. He is the face of your franchise, which is normally held for the quarterback position. You're not going nowhere. Nah.
- [34:49]
Ocho
You could be right. You could be right, but that doesn't mean. Ocho, tell me. No. What's the candy, man? Candy. Man candy. You have to say that three times.
- [35:01]
Joe
Yeah, listen, the Browns. The Browns will block the Eagles. Phone number.
- [35:04]
Ocho
Well, you better change your number. I'm gonna call. Hey, give me your phone. I'll make a call. I' ma call it for pay. They blocked that number. Give me a phone. I'm gonna make a call.
- [35:13]
Joe
Are you gonna call from somebody else?
- [35:14]
Ocho
I'm gonna call. I'm keep calling from a number that y' all Ain't got right. I'm a robo. Call y' all ass.
- [35:20]
Joe
Nah, they. They not doing nothing. They not doing nothing.
- [35:24]
Ocho
Hey, Andrew. How you doing today? Yeah, man, it's. It's great outside. How the weather in Cleveland? You want the three first rounds? We're gonna try to take Miles up off your hands.
- [35:34]
Joe
Nah, we. We can't do it.
- [35:36]
Isaiah Likely
Okay?
- [35:37]
Joe
We can't do it because ain't no for. Ain't no first rounders. No first round is out there that's worthy of letting Miles Garrett go.
- [35:48]
Ocho
Ocho, you want to just hold on to the guy because it looks good or you trying to win or try to get building blocks to win?
- [35:54]
Joe
Try. You've been. You've been building. You've been building for 35 years. This ain't Legos. This ain't like.
- [35:59]
Ocho
Well, I need to keep trying, man.
- [36:01]
Joe
Please. A fool. A fool. It ain't happening. It ain't happening.
- [36:13]
Ocho
I mean, it's a. Hey, look, they got a great defense, but Ocho, you're not winning. I don't care how great your defense is. With your offense like that, you not winning.
- [36:23]
Joe
Yeah, yeah. You're not.
- [36:24]
Ocho
You know, Miles Garrett. Doesn't matter.
- [36:29]
Joe
Yeah, listen, you're not winning, but it gives you a chance while you're still playing right now. It just gives you a chance in general. To do what?
- [36:41]
Ocho
The man has five sacks and they lost by three scores. Hold on. So what happens when he gets one sack or two sacks?
- [36:48]
Joe
It gives you a chance to compete. Maybe not win, but it gives you a chance to compete.
- [36:52]
Ocho
Compete with who?
- [36:53]
Joe
Well, the teams you play.
- [36:54]
Ocho
Ohio State. I mean, what you compete with, Ocho. Hey, Ocho, think about this. Ocho, the man had five sacks. In the history of the game, nobody had lost by more than three, right? He lost by three scores, not three points.
- [37:14]
Joe
Yeah, well, we know that. We know why that is. We. We know. We know why that is.
- [37:20]
Isaiah Likely
Yes.
- [37:21]
Joe
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not going to down them. I'm not going to kick the team while they down, but, eh. And you know, you know, would be one hell of a team. What if you had the Brown defense and the Bengals offense?
- [37:39]
Ocho
Well, let me ask you a question. How you gonna have a $55 million quarterback, two $30 million receivers, a 40 million dollar D lineman and a 20 plus million dollar corner?
- [37:47]
Joe
Listen, that. That's, that's why it's a hypothetical. I'm just saying, a team, a team like that, the Browns defense, Bengals offense, man, they might not lose a game.
- [37:57]
Ocho
Well, you know, you'd have to draft that. The likelihood of you drafting something like that, it's not.
- [38:02]
Joe
It's not likely.
- [38:03]
Ocho
Because think about it. In order for you to do that, that's two first, that's two number one overall draft picks. Denzel Ward was a top draft pick. What you call was a top draft pick. So you're never going to be in position to get that right. Because think about it. Miles Garrett was number one. Joe Burrow was number one. Chase with a top five pick. Ward was a top five pick. So how. How you gonna be a position to get that?
- [38:30]
Isaiah Likely
You won't.
- [38:31]
Ocho
You won't.
- [38:32]
Joe
Just listen. Just a little hypothetical. I'm just throwing that down.
- [38:38]
Ocho
But I tell you what. I know Joe Burrow is going to get sick of this because he doesn't have a chance. He like. It doesn't matter. I've got to play. I've got to play perfect.
- [38:49]
Joe
Yeah.
- [38:49]
Ocho
And knowing that I can't play perfect, not for 17 weeks.
- [38:55]
Joe
No.
- [38:55]
Ocho
I might have some games, Ocho, where I throw for 400 and no touchdowns and have fewer than. And excuse me. And no interceptions and have fewer than 10 incompletions.
- [39:05]
Joe
Yeah.
- [39:05]
Ocho
And that still might not be good enough.
- [39:08]
Joe
Nope.
- [39:08]
Ocho
You know, I've thrown for 404 touchdowns. And we still lose.
- [39:13]
Joe
As a matter of fact, depending. I'm not sure how the rest of the season will go. But by the time we get to December, regardless of what our record is, whether we winning or losing, I don't think Joe should come back.
- [39:23]
Ocho
I told you that. Y' all gonna be so far out of it. It doesn't make any sense for him to come back. Come back and do what?
- [39:28]
Joe
Don't. Don't say we're gonna be so far out of it. It's still a chance. It's still a chance.
- [39:34]
Ocho
Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, what's, what's, what's mega million? I need to play. I need. I need to have my sister place a mega million. You gonna play powerball? It's like 900. You can't play. We can't play the lottery in Vegas. We got casinos.
- [39:48]
Joe
I'm gonna play for you, okay?
- [39:50]
Ocho
Play for me.
- [39:50]
Joe
I'm gonna play for you. And listen, when I win. When I. When I win, boy, we. Why we gonna have a ball?
- [39:58]
Ocho
I'll tell you what.
- [39:59]
Joe
Yeah.
- [39:59]
Ocho
My sister called and say, well, Shannon, we won the lottery.
- [40:02]
Joe
Yeah.
- [40:04]
Ocho
You have a new co host for about two weeks.
- [40:07]
Joe
Okay. Two. Okay.
- [40:08]
Isaiah Likely
Take.
- [40:08]
Joe
Take you a little two week break.
- [40:09]
Ocho
Yeah. Take a little two Week break take you a little too. I'm getting on, I'm getting on. Qantas Air or Singapore Air? I've been watching the videos on Tik Tok, right? Get me one of old, little, little old rule one of little rules, don't you. They got a shower with everything in there, right? Yeah, they got five Michelin Star chef preparing, you know, Scotty Gr. You know all that stuff I can't even pronounce.
- [40:30]
Joe
Hold on, where's that again?
- [40:34]
Ocho
Emirates. Singapore Air, Quant Air.
- [40:38]
Joe
Okay, okay, okay. Well, hold on. You could, you could do that now without the lottery, though.
- [40:43]
Ocho
No, I can't, I can't take no break right now. I can't take no break right now.
- [40:47]
Joe
Okay, I got you.
- [40:48]
Ocho
Okay, but, but, but when vacation time do come, right?
- [40:54]
Joe
Well, we got, we got, we got. Hold on. No, ain't we don't, we don't have no vacation time, though.
- [40:59]
Ocho
No, we do. No, wait, when in June, man, that's.
- [41:04]
Joe
The time we supposed to be doing all the, all the activities.
- [41:06]
Ocho
No, we gonna do all that before then.
- [41:08]
Joe
Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Hey, what's the first one we doing?
- [41:15]
Ocho
We gotta keep that.
- [41:15]
Joe
Okay.
- [41:16]
Ocho
Gotta keep that on.
- [41:17]
Joe
Okay. Okay. Okay.
- [41:18]
Ocho
Yeah. Hey, you know, I've been making some call to some people. They set it up like. Yeah, we'd be very interested.
- [41:23]
Joe
Okay, okay. Well, listen, first off, I, Listen, I don't mean to. I wanna, I personally, I want to go hunting. I just want to show you my skills with my pistol.
- [41:34]
Ocho
No, we go to the gun range. We go to the range for the pistols.
- [41:40]
Joe
No, I, oh, come on, man. You know, you know I got my license, right?
- [41:45]
Ocho
You not fit the dick chaining me.
- [41:47]
Joe
No, I won't shoot you. I won't shoot you.
- [41:49]
Ocho
I know.
- [41:50]
Joe
No, we not even gonna be that close together. I know, because you make too much noise.
- [41:55]
Ocho
You and one's dog. I'm over here.
- [42:00]
Joe
I'm ready.
- [42:01]
Ocho
So, Eagles, look, the Eagles are going for it again. So I, I, I'm anxious to see because I think there's gonna be a lot of trail, a lot of, a lot of movement tomorrow.
- [42:10]
Joe
Tomorrow.
- [42:10]
Ocho
I think there's some teams that are going to try to get better because they're like, okay, we're, we. Some teams feel that they're one player. Maybe it's a receiver and maybe it's a, maybe it's a defensive player. Maybe it's a D lineman or maybe it's a safety or something. But there are people that feel like they're, they're They're a player away from getting over that hump. The Ravens acquired Titans pass rusher Draymond Jones in the trade. Raven sent a conditional 5th round draft pick that can potentially become a 4th round selection to the Titans in exchange for the. Jones. The 28 year old has four and a half sacks in nine games with the Titans this season. He's particularly productive as of late with all four and a half, four and a half of the sacks coming over the last four games. Jones also racked up 26 tackles and nine quarterback hits to go along with eight pressures this year. Ocho, you like this move?
- [42:58]
Isaiah Likely
I mean.
- [42:58]
Joe
Yeah, I do. I do. I don't. I don't think he liked it when he heard about the trade. I saw his tweet where he said the NFL is wow. But he did thank the, he, he thanked the Titans, you know, for, you know, his, his services and allowing him to play there. So listen, the Ravens, they are all in too. They're going to do everything they can to get back, to get back on track. They have a great chance to do it now that 8 is back and anything is possible. Anything is possible when Lamar Jackson is healthy and playing. Now all you have to do is hope. That defense, which has been at the bottom of the pack as well, they've been at the bottom of the pack, they in the same conversation. When we talk about the Cowboys defense, we talk about the Bengals defense. They ain't, they ain't been no better. Now last week they play good, but they got to continue that.
- [43:49]
Ocho
Check your phone fishing when you go catch the big catfish with your hand. You like that? Now look at you. Ocho, we got some very sad news to share. Cowboys defensive end Marshawn Nealon sadly died this morning after apparently taking his own life after a brief police chase and a vehicle crash, according to authorities. The news has rocked the NFL community today. The Broncos held a moment of silence before tonight's game. I believe around the league Sunday, everybody will hold a moment of silence Leading into Monday night's game, they will hold a silence for the young man. Ocho, what was the first thoughts when you, you heard the news?
- [44:37]
Joe
I mean, my first thoughts was, you know, especially where he is right now. He was in a good space. He had a good game, scored his first touchdown. Knowing special teams and I thought there might have been an issue, honestly, you know, listen, we family, I, I can share. I, I thought it might have been an issue at home, you know, issue with his girl or something. And things went left and you know, come to find out, if I'm not mistaken, he, he fled. He was running from the cops or whatever it may be. So I just thought maybe it stemmed from that and, and just, I'm not sure what headspace he was in. But, but it's sad. It's sad, honestly. And I, I wish, I wish things, you know, had been different, you know, for him, for his sake, for his family's sake. And, and I'm praying for, for obviously for the Cowboys fan, Cowboys, you know, Cowboys players and obviously his family as well. But I mean, that's the first thing that went through my, through my head. Huh? I mean, how everything, everything is going right for a young man as, as you would assume on the outside looking in. And most of the time there are certain disturbances that happen with those closest to you that, that, that kind of sway you to do things that are somewhat uncharacteristic, you know, of you. And it makes you, makes decisions that just are tough, very tough and, and be. Because of that, whatever it may be, you know, I'm not just telling you what I thought when I first heard it, but whatever did happen, I'm sure it will come out. But man, it's sad. It's sad. You had your whole career in front of you. You had your whole career there.
- [46:27]
Ocho
Sometimes it gets dark. We were on our way back from LA this morning and Jordan say, boss, you see this cowboy player died? I said, huh? I said, how old was he? He said, 24. I said, it's suicide. He said, why you say that? I said, because it wasn't a car accident. Because it was a car accident. They just said that 24 year olds just don't drop dead.
- [46:52]
Joe
No.
- [46:54]
Ocho
That'S before I knew anything. Yes, sir. 24 year old young men playing the NFL just don't drop dead. They don't. I'll share a story. Not now. Because this is our time to grieve him. But you don't know, boy, when some, when people going through something. Yeah, man, you got to be really, really strong.
- [47:14]
Joe
Yes.
- [47:14]
Ocho
Really, really, really, really. I can't emphasize really enough.
- [47:21]
Joe
Right.
- [47:23]
Ocho
I, I'll share a story about what 25 is done with 25 and the things that I've gone through publicly and privately. But in this situation. It is reported that his girlfriend called police and asked for a wellness check. He had a. He has a gun. And if what's being reported, he will end it. He will end it. He will end it. She kept emphasizing that is also being reported that the group chat. He said, he said goodbye to his family, Obviously, that's not normal. Probably those closest to around him probably knew that he probably dealt with something, but probably didn't know the severity in which he was dealing with it. You know, we. You. You know, we. We think we know people, Ocho. We do. We think we know people. And. Yeah, man, I'm good, bro. I'm good. I'm good. Nah, And. And you don't want to. You say. Well, I don't want to pry, man. Man, you don't know what's. Man, you don't know the hell that somebody has dealing in their head.
- [48:27]
Joe
Yes, sir.
- [48:28]
Ocho
And the thing is, is that when you're going through something you like, man, I just. I just want to be out of this pain. But when you go that step, think about all the pain that those that's left behind gonna have to deal with. All the unanswered questions.
- [48:46]
Joe
Yes, sir.
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Ocho
Now, what did I do? Where did I go wrong? What could I have done? Did I miss the signs? If there's something I could have done, could I have intervened sooner? What. What is it that I missed? Now they have to question themselves. They ask themselves tough questions. Yeah, he's out of pain. Those demons got him. And, and, and, and. And I feel. I just feel bad for people that. That parents. Parents are not supposed to bury kids. It's supposed to be the other way around.
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Joe
The way around.
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Ocho
Yeah. And I can just. I can just imagine. And, and, and. And if it's my. If it's mom, his dad, those that loved him, that cared about him. I can only imagine the hell because it's already tough when. When, When. When that appointment that you have that can't be rescheduled, it's already tough. But Ocho, the man upstairs, knew how this thing was going to play out. He knew. He already. The moment you born, he already know how you gonna leave.
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Joe
Yeah.
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Ocho
I just. My heart breaks for his family. My heart break for those that. That cared about him, that loved him, that. That. But you don't know, man. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, when you lower.
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Joe
Yeah.
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Ocho
And you like. And you don't think there's no other way to end this pain, to end this disappointment, to end this heartbreak. Telling you, Ocho, I'm telling you, man, you have to. You have to fall on your knees.
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Joe
Yeah. Hey, it's tough, you know, man, I.
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Ocho
Hey, bro, hey, listen.
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Joe
Hold on. Hey, now. Now. We done both been there now, too, now.
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Advertiser/Spokesperson
Yeah.
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Ocho
Okay.
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Joe
And you talk about. I'm talking about the lowest of the Lows. I'm talking about sitting on top of the mountain at 12 o' clock in the afternoon, boy. By the next. The next day at 11, boy was at the bottom.
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Ocho
Yeah. Before you go any further, Ocho, his mom passed away last year. She just passed away, Boy.
- [50:52]
Joe
Hey, that's a pain like no other. You hear me?
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Advertiser/Spokesperson
Ooh.
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Joe
Well, when I lost Hurricane Paula, you talk about pain. And the only thing that was able to. The only reason I got to think about them little ones, See, that's how I'm able to be able to compartmentalize and understand, okay, I can grieve, I can be hurt. But then that other side of me, I still got to stay strong for them. I still got business I got to take care of. So I had to be even keel, in a sense. And. And listen, you know, life does continue to go on. So I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have to do this grieving as I finish this journey. I ain't, I ain't. I ain't got no. I ain't. I don't have no choice.
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Ocho
You don't. I just remember O Joe.
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Joe
And.
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Ocho
My grandma said it twice. She never said it in front of me, but she said something else. I remember she told my. She. The doctors came in. Sorry chat. The doctors came in the room, and liberals just as plain as day, they said, well, Ms. Porter, how you doing? She said, I'm not doing well, Doc. I'm dying. Said it just like that. She said, miss porter. She said, Mr. Ms. Porter, you can't say like this. You can't say that. You can't. You can't think like that. And Libby say, she said, granny, don't say that.
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Isaiah Likely
Granny.
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Ocho
Granny said, I know I'm dying. That was the first time. About a month later, my cousin Linda was in the room. She said, hey, Linda's mom and granny with sisters, anime and granny. So she said, aunt Mary, how you doing? She said, I ain't doing good, Linda. I'm dying. Just like that. Libby hadn't told me. And granted, no, Libby had told me. So I come in there and I'm all sad. She said, boy, why you sad? She said, we all got to do it, son. We all got to live here. We got to leave here. We ain't come to stay. I got up and walked out the room. I can honestly say I've never been the same since. When my granny died, a part of me died with her. I won't ever be the same. I won't ever love the same. I've Tried. I'm never going to love anybody like I love that woman. Because even when I was wrong, she say, baby, you wrong, but I love you. He broke me. And when I went back in that room, Ojo. I remember it like yesterday. I went back in that room. They was doing a story on me for the Denver Post. Mike Cliff. And I stopped. And she was crying. I'm talking about uncontrollably.
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Joe
Yeah.
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Ocho
And I stopped, Mike. And I went in the room and I got in my arms and I said, granny, what's wrong? And I got in my arm that she just moving back and forth, back and forth. Granny, what's wrong? I said, granny, it's okay, I got it. She looked at me, I said, granny, I got it. I said, I got Libby, I got Spanky and I got Mama. It's okay, I got it. I said, you and papa did what you're supposed to do. I said, granny, don't worry about it anymore. I got this. If you need to go home to rest, go home and know your baby got it. Ocho. I left. That was like a Wednesday, Thursday. I called home, I called Libby. Libby said, yeah. I said, you already home? She said, yeah, Granny said she needed some rest. Thirty minutes later, Libby called me back. People called, Granny was gone. She wasn't going until. She was not going until her baby said it was going to be okay. Once I told Granny it was going to be okay that I had Libby, I had Spank and I had Mama. Yeah, it was like a weight was lifted off her. Because her whole life she had worried about everybody. Now she okay, if I leave, who go? Who gonna worry about them? Who gonna take care of them? Me. I don't sleep because I can't turn my mind off. I've been in survival mode since I was about nine years old. Why I don't go on vacation? Because I can't. Because I can't stop to turn my mind off. I lay up so many nights thinking about my brother, my sister, my mom, worried about my kids. If something happens to Shannon, who's gonna take care of them? My mom's been retired 20 years. My sister ain't worked in 50 years. My brother's retired. Who is gonna. Yes, I've got all the parameters in place, but who? That's what I worry about. That's why I work so damn hard. That's why I was in la. Did. Did a Club Shay Shay interview, did nightcap. Got up at 5:30 this morning, caught a 7 o' clock flight here, came back, took a Shower, took an hour nap and went and did another club shay shay interview. And here I am doing it tonight. Nightcap. That's why. Because there's nobody else. Mary and barney Porter. That is my calling. I gotta take care of my family. That's what I gotta do, ojo. That's what I'm here for. Man, you shot up. All I thought about was getting rained on. All I thought about you talking about unc. You ate that. All I thought about when I was in denver is what I ate all the night that we didn't have anything to eat. That's what I thought about. That's what drove me, o Joe. There were many nights I was obsessed with drove me. There are many nights. Like I said, I'm gonna share my story. I want to talk this about nealon. But I know what that young man was going through. I know there been a many days o y'.
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Isaiah Likely
All.
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Ocho
I'm in my living room and I fall on my knees I say, I know you're the alpha and the omega. You're the king of kings, the lord of lords.
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Isaiah Likely
Father.
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Ocho
I stretch my hand to thee no other help. I know if you leave me where I'm going to go. I said, father, I know you didn't bring me this far to believe me now I can just imagine the hurt if he cared about his mom like I love my granny. I can imagine the hurt. Because I know the day my sister called me that night she called me. I was never, ever the same. And I'm never going to be the same. And anybody that bees up that's in my life need to understand that I'm going to love you. I'm going to give you everything I got. But Mary viola Porter gave me everything but life.
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Isaiah Likely
Mm.
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Ocho
Everything but life. What you see, the discipline, the hard work, the dedication. She used to tell me and my brother all the time, it take all that to make a man.
- [59:28]
Joe
Man.
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Ocho
My heart breaks for this young man's family. 24 years old, perfect health. Pitch of health on the outside. But there's a volcano going on inside that we can't see. There's a saying that says we create our demons and only we can chase them away. Sometime when you're at your weakest. That's where the old devil try to get you. Joe. Oh, Joe.
- [60:05]
Joe
Oh, yeah.
- [60:06]
Ocho
That's when he tried to get you. But if you're not careful, he'll get you when you're at your highest too. Cause you'll let your guard down.
- [60:17]
Joe
It only took me one time.
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Ocho
To Kneeling family, friends and loved ones, anybody that. That came in contact with this young man. I grieve with you. I pray with you. All I can offer you are thoughts and prayers. And hopefully in this most troubled time, God brings you comfort, he brings you peace, and he brings you understanding. I heard for the family, or should they say if you walk a man a mile in a man's shoes, then you'll understand.
- [61:07]
Joe
The only way you'll understand.
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Ocho
You can't walk a mile in a man's shoes, Ocho, because the very mile that you walked in his shoes might be the best day of his life. You got to spend an eternity. You got to spend an experience. You have to walk step for step, day for day, week for week, month for month, year for year, to get a sense of what a man is going through or what a person's going through. For them demons, man, you got to be strong, Ojo.
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Joe
Yeah.
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Ocho
And like you said, you need to be strong for other people.
- [61:46]
Joe
That's. Don't. That's what. That's. That's the one thing keep me going. Because I hadn't been. I didn't been to the. I didn't been at the lowest of lows. I know I'd have been at the highest of highs. And I learned after being at my lowest, how can I always keep myself even keel at all times? Not get too high, not get too low, but stay right in that middle no matter what. No matter how. How bad, how sad I am, no matter how good I'm feeling, always stay right there. Even kill right in center. My focus has always been completely different. Always been completely different. Losing mama, losing grandma, on top of the other issues, man, we all. We all fighting a different battle. We all fighting something. Hey, I'm talking about everybody.
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Ocho
We all at war.
- [62:43]
Joe
Everybody fights something. Yes.
- [62:52]
Ocho
24 years of. 24 years young. 24 years young. Hell, you remember you was 24. I remember when I was 24. Hell, my kids.
- [63:03]
Joe
Yeah.
- [63:06]
Ocho
The one time. This is not the first time he's fought this battle. This is the first time the battle's won. Cowboys, I pray for you. Dak went through very. Something very similar. His brother Dax spoke about a fallen teammate today. It's been very tough day. Tragic loss. I hurt heavy. Heavy, heavy heart today. I hurt for my Sean. I hurt for his family. I hurt for his girlfriend. I hurt for every single one of my teammates. It's just the pain that you don't wish upon anyone. You wish none of this. None of us had to go through it. You wish Marshawn didn't have to go through it, what he went through. Just thankful for each moment we have in this life and you don't want to take it for granted. You talking somebody that has a first hand account lost a brother. I can only imagine. I can't even begin to fathom the pain, the hurt that the Cowboys fans, cowboy players, his family, his friends, his loved ones. I can, I can't even. I can't even fathom that kind of pain. I hurt for him. My heart breaks for him. All I can say, if you're going through something, talk to somebody.
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Narrator
Talk.
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Ocho
Maybe he felt there was no one to talk to. There was no one to turn to. Ocho. No one heard his cries, his silent screams, his whispering yells. They went unheard. Marshawn Nealon tragically dead at the age of 24.
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Joe
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